Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, November 15th, 2009 at 8:18 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes from Sunday’s 16-10 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs at the Coliseum:
– The minimal production of wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey didn’t prevent the rookie from getting the most work in the rotation of wide receivers.
By one count, Heyward-Bey played 54 of the 63 offensive snaps. Wide receiver Chaz Schilens, in his first game of the season, was in for 38 snaps, Johnnie Lee Higgins 22 and Louis Murphy 15.
What Heyward-Bey delivered was one catch for 22 yards and two huge red zone drops, the second of which resulted in an interception by the Chiefs’ Mike Brown that derailed a two-minute drill conducted by Bruce Gradkowski that had the Raiders in position to win.
When asked if the time is coming that Heyward-Bey will have to produce to validate his time on the playing field, Cable said, “I think so. I absolutely think so.’’
Heyward-Bey was gone by the time the media arrived, leaving his teammates to speak for him.
Gradkowski thought there plenty of plays to point at which were equally as damaging.
“I told him, I mean that’s a tough play,’’ Gradkowski said. `That stuff’s going to happen. It’s the game of football and it should’ve never came down to it.
“That’s what I told him. I said, “Look, it just stinks it happened then, but it shouldn’t have come down to the end like that and we had plays earlier in the game we needed to make.’’
“It’s something that everybody goes through, a moment like that,’’ cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha said. “So, he’s going to have to mentally be strong and get through it. He’s a professional, so those moments are going to happen. But you have to be able to bounce back from them. It’s not the end of the world.’’
Schilens advice?
“Just keep your head up, man. He was open. It was there. Stay positive man, work on it in practice, catch it a couple times, get it out of your mind and go on to the next play really.’’
Said Murphy: “ I talked to him and I just told him, ‘I’m riding with you through thick and thin.’ We came in together, we work together, we work on all fundamentals together so I’m with him, I’m in his corner all the time.’’
– Higgins caught four passes for 41 yards in his most extensive time at receiver, but was a disaster returning punts. He had a minus-2 yards on three returns and let one ball bounce a few feet from him that rolled to a stop after 61 yards.
Cable said his role in that regard will be evaluated.
– Running back Michael Bush ran 60 yards on his first carry and finished with 119 yards on 14 carries as the Raiders had a season high 182 yards rushing. It was the first 100-yard game by a Raiders back since Bush had 177 in the regular-season finale last season at Tampa Bay.
Justin Fargas had 10 carries for 41 yards and a touchdown. Darren McFadden had 11 yards on four carries.
“It really was all of them, when they were in there,’’ Cable said. “It was the same stuff, just guys blocking up front, making the right read and running with good violence.”
– Bush has no problems with the Raiders making an attempt to diversify their offense when it sometimes appears as if they should just keep running against a team which is struggling to stop them.
“You just can’t run all the time. You need to pass the ball sometime,’’ Bush said. “But as long as we keep the running backs doing what we’re doing, I guess it’s only a matter of time before they get the passing game clicking.
“ I know it’s like Week 10 or Week 11; ya’ll is like, when is it gonna happen? But we believe. We gotta keep believing that positive things will come out of it.”
– Bush said he was caught on his 60-yard run by attempting to use technology to his advantage.
“What went wrong was I looked up at the screen, trying to see who was behind me, forgetting that it’s kind of a couple seconds delay,’’ Bush said. “And I was trying to read, thinking it was Darrius there in front of me to block. Next thing you know I feel something jumping on my leg.’’
– Cable wasn’t willing to say JaMarcus Russell would remain the quarterback for next week’s game against Cincinnati, a shift in his public tone which could impact his job status, as explained in my Web-exclusive column.
– Russell wasn’t helped by a spate of dropped passes _ Cable counted eight for the Raiders in the game, but it’s also true in most cases his passes weren’t exactly put in places where the catches are made easy.
“I love JaMarcus. I love him as a player, I love him as a person,’’ tackle Cornell Green said. “The thing is, he’s in a tough predicament just because everybody wants him to save the Raiders, and it’s not about that.
“It’s more than what you see on the field. You have to give him the support and you have to block for him. For the most part we blocked good for him, but at the same time, the drops we can’t have that.’’
– The ugliest play of an ugly game was a Keystone Cops fumble sequence in which Dwayne Bowe took a blow from Kirk Morrison and lost the ball, but the ball was missed by at least three Raiders before Brian Waters recovered at the Oakland 23.
The Chiefs ended up failing to convert a short Matt Cassel pass on fourth down.
– Sebastian Janikowski missed a 45-yard field goal attempt wide left, his first miss of the season after making 13 in a row. He had made 20 straight dating back to striking an upright last season against Miami on Nov. 16.
x-The Wildcat, or the “Wild Hog’’ as Cable calls it, made its return with McFadden taking the snap as a shotgun quarterback. On consecutive plays it gained five yards, the first with McFadden running it after faking to Higgins on a reverse and the second time actually giving it to Higgins.
– The Raiders were the victims of the first 100-yard game by Chiefs back Jamaal Charles, who had 103 yards on 18 carries as the starter in place of Larry Johnson, who was released.
Charles broke off a 44-yard touchdown run on a fourth-and-1 play.
“It was a toss crack and we misplayed it from the outside,’’ Cable said.
– Sam Williams and Jon Alston were alternating at strong side linebacker. Alston, who has had two so-called “minor’’ concussions this season, seemed a little woozy after one special teams hit and spent some time on the bench with his head down afterward. He re-entered the game later.
– Left guard Robert Gallery returned after being out since Week 2 and was the recipient of the tripping penalty which negated a big gain from Russell to Murphy to the Chiefs 5-yard line.
That play occurred after Heyward-Bey dropped a perfect post pattern from Russell near the goal line. The passes might have been the two best back-to-back throws by Russell this season.
“It was one of those things, I’m not going to let the quarterback get hit,’’ Gallery said. “I can’t put myself in that situation. It is what it is. It cost us pretty big, so it’s a hard one to swallow.’’
– The Raiders had one of their biggest penalty games of the year and were whistled 10 times in all for 88 yards. Both were season highs.
– Two of the worst statistical offenses in the league lived down to their reputations when it came to third down. They teams were a combined 0-for-18 at halftime and 3-for-31 in the game. Kansas City was 1-for-15, the Raiders 2-for-16.
A new low. The Raiders lose to a team that was 1-for-15 on third downs.
– Oakland has still scored two touchdowns in a game just once _ Week 1 against San Diego. They have seven touchdowns on the season. In Cable’s 21 games as head coach, the Raiders have had one or zero touchdowns 16 times.
– Punter Shane Lechler had 11 punts for a 48.3 average and his averaging 51.5 this season, a whisker ahead of Sammy Baugh’s NFL record 51.4 with seven games to play and three of them in potentially cold-weather sites.
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November 15th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Two words: UG – LY
November 15th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
oh and I was first too.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
http://www.messagetoal.com
visit the site Nation!
November 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Oakland has still scored two touchdowns in a game just once _ Week 1 against San Diego. They have seven touchdowns on the season. In Cable’s 21 games as head coach, the Raiders have had one or zero touchdowns 16 times.
………..
‘Nuff said… Goodbye Cable. Please punch Al on your way out.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Disgraceful!
November 15th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
1-2-3 Playoffs!
November 15th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Can Al just do the honorable thing and die?
November 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
jesus we BLOW! JR is NOT the future
November 15th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I FREAKIN LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moss gets me 29 points to win my FF game, but the Pats blow it on a STUPID 4th down call and the Colts get the win.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
It doesnt matter because Al lives in the past anyways.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
If Russell ONLY looks at one side of the field …thats a major problem. Could be attributable to a number of factors: bad coaching, not working hard enough to learn, don’t trust WRs on the other side so he’s locked onto who he trust. Could be anything really.
But the drops are not his fault. Easily catch-able? PUH-LEEZE!! Those ball were VERY catch-able. Most hit the target in their hands! If a ball hits your hands it MUST be caught – NO EXCUSES!
Bottom line is …Cable will be fired. That’s all I care about right now. He’s worthless. Scapegoating the QB.
At some level it doesn’t matter that Russell may be missing some open WRs b/c if they’re not catching the ball I would be hesitant to throw it to them too. So I’ll throw the short “sure” stuff …but wait ..they dropped those all day as well.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Gradkowski is a much better quarterback than Russell. He has the guts to tuck the ball in and run for a first down. Russell is a joke. He’s just collecting a paycheck.
DHB is a bust. I looked at five minutes of film and could tell Crabtree was a better receiver. Al Davis is an idiot.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Let’s quit blaming the coaches and the players for all that is wrong with this organization. It should sit squarely at the feet of one individual, Al Davis. No other GM in the league would still have his job with Al’s track record over the past 7 seasons. I am calling for the ouster of Al Davis as Manager of the General Partner. Roger Goodell please help. We deserve better then just waiting for Old Man Al to die.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Just got home from the game. I paid special attention to the play and demeanor of JaMarcus Russell. He looks like he is playing scared. He is afraid to make a mistake which is causing him to press and in doing so, he makes mistakes. You can’t play scared.
Looks like JaMarcus might be heading down a Vince Young type of road. You know what John Madden used to say: “90% of this game is 50% mental”.
With that being said, there were way too many drops, including DHB’s drop of a PERFECT pass from JaMarcus, costing us a td.
I kept wondering aloud “why aren’t they giving the ball to Michael Bush?”. The man breaks off a 60 yard run and then he disappears? Diversify the playbook my ass!
November 15th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Shefter reports that League Office has no plans to discipline Cable for assault allegations by former women in his life.
League feels that being forced to finish the season as Raiders Head Coach is punishment enough.
November 15th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Raiderdog, it was Yogi Berra that said that, not John Madden.
Brown, the veteran Chiefs safety who grabbed the Heyward-Bey carom to end the game and also had another interception, wasn’t shy about detailing Russell’s shortcomings.
“Obviously, he’s been struggling a little bit. He’s turned the ball over more than any quarterback in the league,” Brown said. “That’s something that we talked about. And usually he only looks at one side of the field. He doesn’t read the whole field.”
November 15th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Watching the Pats Vs. Colts. Those are two teams who are at the mountain top, watching the Raiders game, was watching two teams who have failed to exit the vehicle in search of the trail head that leads to base camp. To watch two teams as desciplined as these two teams playing tonite, and the lack of drive killing penalties. To watch two quarterbacks run an offense while completely understanding what the opposing team is doing, while delivering precion passes, to watch these defenses perform this way, with fire and preparedness, is so friggin disturbing when thinking about the team I reserve my passion for, the Raiders. The Raiders are so pathetic in every sense of the NFL football, regardless of their systems, QB’s, players, fans, & ownership. Everything associated with Raiders football is a joke, compared to what chamionship football teams play like, Colts Vs. Pats. For Cable to say he see’s the “mountain top” after the game I saw today is completely laughable! The Raiders are an apparent unfixable product.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Scalped!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_regular_season
November 15th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
In regards to a game that actually mattered …
Belichick made the right call. That’s right.
Everyone can Monday Morning QB it all they want, but let me put it to you this way. Be honest. Your life on the line would you rather bet it on:
– Tom Brady picking up 2 yards on 4th and 2.
– Stopping Peyton Manning from scoring on a 70-yard drive with Manning having 2 minutes and a timeout.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Correction I take back slamming the Raiders fans, one hell of a nation undivided, with exception of Priest!!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
And usually he only looks at one side of the field.
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Yup, the side that DHB is not on.
Like Lefty said, as soon as Grads came in the ball was going DHBs way.
Now the question is, should our QBs continue to throw it to DHB so he can drop it?
Or, should the QB only look at one side of the field and make it easier on the defense?
LMFAO at our options!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Raiderdog, it was Yogi Berra that said that, not John Madden.
Brown, the veteran Chiefs safety who grabbed the Heyward-Bey carom to end the game and also had another interception, wasn’t shy about detailing Russell’s shortcomings.
“Obviously, he’s been struggling a little bit. He’s turned the ball over more than any quarterback in the league,” Brown said. “That’s something that we talked about. And usually he only looks at one side of the field. He doesn’t read the whole field.”
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Nice try.
Gradkowski threw BOTH interceptions.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
In accurate QB + rookie / newbie Wides + rookie inexperienced WR coach = DISASTER
November 15th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
So Cable said that Russell made the wrong read on the last 2 plays before he was benched. I don’t remember the first play Cable was talking about, but I know the last play Russell fugges up was a pass to Meyers that was open for the first down. Russell threw it behind Meyers, and low.
Not quite sure how Cable classifies that as a bad read. Without question, a bad throw, but a bad read?
WTF?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
That DHB drop he waited too long to turn his damn head. I was like “rookie” when I saw that. By the time he turned his head the ball was almost there. But he still had a great chance to reel it in.
Any ball that touches your hands on the side of you or in front of you should be caught. No excuses. The drops today were atrocious. One after another. I can’t see any QBs confidence in his players be shaken after that.
How can you develop a QB when his team can’t catch jack? Thats like trying to shoot a gun with no bullets.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
DHB’s problem is he tries to body-catch everything. Good receivers get their hands out there and snatch it before it doinks off their shoulder pads.
And JaMarcus has been lousy, let’s face it. But please watch Reggie Wayne’s game-winning TD catch from tonight’s game and show me the one time this season where one of our receivers had a catch 1/10th that good. Those are the kind of catches NFL receivers make every week in this league. Most teams get 4 or 5 diving or otherwise impressive catches per game. I’m not sure we’ve had one of those all season. Tough to QB with that kind of sh-t on the other end.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
You can say the same thing for Gradkowski too.
Murphy has to catch that deep ball, and DHB has to catch that pass at the end.
The story ends the same no matter who the QB is.
And I’m STILL waiting on a reason why Bush only had 14 carries?!?!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
please watch Reggie Wayne’s game-winning TD catch from tonight’s game and show me the one time this season where one of our receivers had a catch 1/10th that good. Those are the kind of catches NFL receivers make every week in this league. Most teams get 4 or 5 diving or otherwise impressive catches per game. I’m not sure we’ve had one of those all season.
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Exactly.
Other teams WRs ROUTINELY make those type of catches. EVERY other game I watch I find myseld saying, DAMN that was a nice catch. AT LEAST 4 or 5 times per game.
Our receiver can’t even make the routing catches let alone a difficult one.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Bush had 14 carries, Farg about 10. The Raiders didn’t convert on 3rd down till the 4th quarter. Thats likely why Bush only saw 14 carries.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
The reason is Cables a moron. Still trying to run 3RBs while letting none of them get in any kind of rhythm …oh wait, when they do he switches to another RB.
…time to move on from the Cable guy. He’s a bust just like the movie.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Chris in NY: Exactly
November 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Terrapin: exactly
November 15th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Darius Hayward-BUM
Why draft him @ #7? He would have been available in round #2. Al Davis don’t know squat. Sorting your draft board by 40 times.
Why can’t we get an offense? D is serviceable.
Cable must go with his misplaced anger tucked between his legs. Next person he needs to beat up is himself.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
I don’t know what kind of coaching these WRs are getting …but its definitely not looking like the right kind. How are you suppose to develop a QB with no WR that can catch (save Schilens)?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
No RB that can catch either (save Bush)
November 15th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Charlie Weis will be the next coach of the Oakland Raiders.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
The sad thing is what do we really have to look forward to even with the QB change?
I’m not feeling ANY better about the situation.
Murphy dropped more passes than DHB, and JLH dropped just as many. Not to mention the fact that JLH is clearly still shook!
Grads is going to miss some passes badly, just like #2, which is fine b/c I don’t expect him to be 100%. But which one of our WRs is going to catch the ball?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Shameful…
At least when they got blown out by the Jets, you could right it off to the fact that they got blown out early, and called it in for most of the game.
This game was worse because the Chiefs were awful, and they still couldn’t find a way to beat them.
They plenty of chances and couldn’t get it done.
Very sad indeed.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Cable doesn’t know the strengths of his team. He doesn’t play to them. He only does what HE wants to do.
The least you can do is do a few things and do them right more often than not. Kiffin ran a few types of plays but they did them to perfection. Result, Top 5 rushing team in the NFL.
Cable comes in and tries to go all “wild hog” with the team …forcing it down field all game. Result, Bottom 5 rushing team in the NFL. Getting blown out game after game.
You be the judge.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Stark contrast here:
Top 5 before Cable as HC
Bottom 5 with Cable as HC
?What would we be without Cable?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Now is there anyone else NOT convinced coaching plays a major role here?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
did we get blown out today?i must have missed that.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
I’m really looking forward to the next Al PC, lol.
It’s going to be an instant classic with Al trying to explain how Cable failed Jamarcus.
LMFAO!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
That’s what I’m saying NorthernD. The Chiefs were outmatched all over the field and they couldn’t get it done. Its not a lack of talent. Its a lack of execution and preparation, which falls a great deal on improper coaching.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
DHB is catching the ball like he’s afraid of it.
Throw a football at a little kid and they’ll basket catch like DHB.
If the Raiders had done more draft prep than looking at his 40 time, they may have picked up on the fact that he doesn’t like the spotlight.
A guy with his size and speed goes to a small time passing school like Maryland?
Show me a big time receiver and I’ll show you someone who wants the spotlight, who wants the attention, who wants the football!!!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
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November 15th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
#41 Completely agree coaching, or lack there of, plays a major role here!!
Two weeks of preperation for on of the worst team sin the league and you get 10 points, plus 10 penalties, and a failed attempt at two “wildhog” plays!! A joke, but Cable couldn’t even win coaching Idaho, why would he win in the NFL?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Forget Hanson, forget Cable’s broads, Al doesn’t need none of that stuff.
Jerry’s got all Al Davis needs “for Cause”:
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In Cable’s 21 games as head coach, the Raiders have had one or zero touchdowns 16 times.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
The problem is Al Davis. He controls and micromanages every aspect of the Raiders. The Raiders have sucked since 2002/2003. The blame goes squarely on the shoulders of Al Davis.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Terrapin
They could have had this one today with better coaching.
Last year against the Bucs, the only healthy RB was Bush. They ran him all game because didn’t have any other choice and they won.
Today Bush is off to a great start, the O-line is pounding them, then Cable starts to diversify the offence.
Talk about too smart for your own good. LOL.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
10 penalties and 10 drops coming out of a bye week.
And those were FAR from the only mistakes!
Nice preparation.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
We stink, from the old fool (bless his heart)at the top all the way down to the guy who washes the jock straps. Such a joke.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
I’m out. Not going to sleep well tonight. Might call in tomorrow.
I’ll just leave with saying, there is almost no reason Cable had for pulling Russell. NONE! You can’t pull your QB for your WR/RB faults. Its not his fault they are dropping balls left and right. 8-10 drops? Are you kiddin’ me. Tag that onto Russells numbers and you are looking at 70% completion MINIMUM!!
Any QB in the league would kill for that, again, MINIMUM!! percentage. Tack on the yards those drops would’ve garnered and you’re talking some serious play.
But nooo …our great HC found it necessary to bench the QB who was actually playing a good game with ZERO help. ZERO!!
That was a major btch move to scapegoat the QB for the teams’ errors. Notice I said “teams’” which directly implicates the coaches, in particular the HC.
Cable lost what little respect he had from me with that move. I never saw it coming. When the announcers mentioned it, I was stunned.
Who ever heard of benching a 70%+ completion QB with ZERO INTs to boot?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Bush was off to such a great start, Cable pulled him for Fargas right after that big run.
Didn’t even have the decency to let Bush get the TD, lol!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Mike Davis 36 Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
We stink, from the old fool (bless his heart)at the top all the way down to the guy who washes the jock straps. Such a joke.
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Don’t forget the crack medical staff, lol!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
why is it on almost all teams when a WR or RB fumbles a ball or drops a pass they make a point to go back to the same guy on the next play,yet when that happens on our team the person running the attack ignores the guy for pretty much the rest of the game?
November 15th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
A 70%+ completion QB with ZERO INTs and a tied game. And you bench him.
Your ass is as good as fired. This sht is just crazy.
Bring in Gradkowski to what, go 3& out, throw a pick and do no better than the guy that was in?
Stupid is as stupid does.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Don’t forget the crack medical staff, lol!
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McFadden had turf toe last year, and they didn’t what turf toe was. He found out from his Arkansas training staff…
November 15th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Even Jamal Charles is looking like a star against the Raiders!
DT & LB please!
Fire Cable Too!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Al Davis drafted DHB, JLH, Buchanon, McFadden, etc… because of 40 times. We could have drafted Clady, Crabtree, etc… We need to draft based on film study, not 40 times. Someone besides Al needs to make the drafting decisions.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Sitting here watching the local news and Sean Payton’s presser. I tell my wife that years ago Al Davis offered Payton the job and he went back to Dallas to tell his boss and Jerry Jones talked him out of it along with a raise.
She then ask me: You think the Raiders would be good if they had Payton? I said yeah because he has a sense of offense. Plus he woulda wanted Brees and Al Davis woulda got Brees for him just like the Gruden/Gannon tandem. Don’t know about the defense but we would be puttin up 35 pts a game.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Worst team ever
November 15th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
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November 15th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Charles had 1 good run and there was major holding by #42 on the play-right in front of an official.when are you guys going to get as upset with that sort of thing as you do with our players,coaches,and owner/GM?officials should never walk off the field in Oakland without feeling they will get abused until they start calling the games fairly.you want to complain to the league about our senile owner,well try complaining about the biased officials.
November 15th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
You make a good point about feeding DHB, Lefty.
I get your point, and I agree to a degree. I think that the coach should put DHB in different situations like reverses, screens, and lining up in the slot.
For whatever reason though, Russell just has NO interest in even looking at DHB. Maybe that’s who Cable thinks was wide open on the 2 plays prior to Russell getting benched.
Imagine the irony of Russell getting benched for refusing to throw the ball to DHB?
LMFAO!
November 15th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
LOL, 504!
I could certainly see AL sticking it to the Bolts by signing Brees.
And the D would’ve been fine b/c Peyton wanted to bring in Rex Ryan as a DC.
Oh well!
November 15th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
One thing not being mentioned is why are they having all those dropped passes?
Some QB’s can throw a great looking pass, but it difficult to catch. Whereas some QB’s can throw a very cathcable pass even though it doesn’t look great.
I remember everyone said that Stabler threw a very catchable pass. Even opposing CB’s wouldn’t drop any picks that hit their hands.
Gannon also threw catchable passes.
When JaMarcus throws it hard, the receivers have less reaction and adjustment time than they would with other QB’s.
They may just be able to get a hand on the ball instead of looking it into the hands and locking it in.
So more than a few of those “drops” can also be chalked up to JaMarcus.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
when i watch DHB i see Cliff Branch.when we drafted Branch out of Colorado he couldn’t catch sh!t.but he got open and the QB kept throwing him the ball.guess what happened,those drops started turning into huge gains and TDs.i’m not saying DHB will turn into another Branch-we should be so lucky-but you have to keep trying or he WILL be a wasted pick.BTW,that catch he made on the sidelines before he botched the int. was pretty impressive.we have to try and build on that.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Jhill-the irony of that statement may be true.wheresa JR was a consensus #1 pick and everyone thinks is a Davis favorite,what do you think DHB is considering we were lambasted for taking him.we all know how Davis likes to try and make everyone think he is smarter than they are.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
# lefty12 Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
when i watch DHB i see Cliff Branch.when we drafted Branch out of Colorado he couldn’t catch sh!t.but he got open and the QB kept throwing him the ball.guess what happened,those drops started turning into huge gains and TDs.i’m not saying DHB will turn into another Branch-we should be so lucky-but you have to keep trying or he WILL be a wasted pick.BTW,that catch he made on the sidelines before he botched the int. was pretty impressive.we have to try and build on that.
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He is a bust and that catch was incomplete, referee felt bad for us that was why it was ruled a catch.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
# NorthernD Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
One thing not being mentioned is why are they having all those dropped passes?
Some QB’s can throw a great looking pass, but it difficult to catch. Whereas some QB’s can throw a very cathcable pass even though it doesn’t look great.
I remember everyone said that Stabler threw a very catchable pass. Even opposing CB’s wouldn’t drop any picks that hit their hands.
Gannon also threw catchable passes.
When JaMarcus throws it hard, the receivers have less reaction and adjustment time than they would with other QB’s.
They may just be able to get a hand on the ball instead of looking it into the hands and locking it in.
So more than a few of those “drops” can also be chalked up to JaMarcus.
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I agree.
Michael Vick wrs couldn’t catch any passes except for Crumbler and after they drafted Matt Ryan, R.White became a pro bowler but DHB is still a bust IMO.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
if you would have been born in 1973,you would have proclaimed C.Branch a bust in his rookie year also.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I am getting too old to spend my life breaking down the iffs, ands, and buts, of this horrible franchise. I used to get so mad at the media for calling the Raiders a dysfunctional organization; I considered it media bias, but now…I have figured out that the media has been right all along. It’s even worse than “dysfunctional”.
I’m sick of concerning myself with this franchise, or caring if they win or lose.
I have lost all hope. I’m just deflated by all the constant losing and bad news coming from this pathetic joke of an organization. Watching today, and for the past seven fugging seasons, NOTHING has changed. In fact it keeps getting worse. Next week will be just another record of some kind being broken or made by this POS team….and not in a good way. How fugging long do we have to wait for something GOOD to happen?
You’d think you’d at least beat a 1-7 team AT HOME wouldn’t you? No…not THIS joke of a franchise. And while the Raiders lose on the field, and break yet another dubious record of futility, Al Davis is no doubt staying up late scouring the internet looking to sue somebody who dares to be critical of his POS franchise, and not concerning himself with fixing this F’d up joke. “Oh is somebody saying something about my team?” How can people say that we are a messed up organization”? Ypu know why Al? Because you are the laughingstock of the league. The butt of all sports jokes. Why??? Because of the constant frickin’ LOSING, and the pathetic way you go about LOSING. Your precious ‘Raiduhs’ are the worst franchise in sports, with no hope for the future. Worry about THAT; NOT what ESPN is saying about you and your POS team.
You’re losing fans every week by the thousands and that means you are losing $ too. Think about winning for once.
I wonder what its like to be a fan of a ‘real’ NFL team, and not the biggest joke in sports.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
…Oh and your #1 draft choice is not only a big pu$$y on the field, he doesn’t have the guts to man-up and face the media afterwords. What a pathetic POS this guy is. Only the frickin’ Raiduhs would draft a WR as # 7 in the draft, who can’t catch. Ha. I can’t wait till have the mental wherewithal to not care anymore.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
i wonder what it would be like to root for an NFL team that the officials didn’t go out of their way to SCREW EVERY week.the tripping on Gallery-JOKE(negating a 50+yd play).2 holding calls in a row against our LT-JOKE.#42 on the chiefs holding big time on Charles’ td-no call-JOKE.lets get pissed about those things for a change,or have we become so accustomed to that crap it is acceptable?
November 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I’ve refrained most of the season from commenting because I talked up JR’s last two games of the season last year and thought he was on pace for his breakout season. This is no longer the case. His attitude is so disgustingly immature it sickens me. He is either delusional, psychotic, or just plain stupid. He has the worst stats in the league by far, flat misses his targets 50% of the time, cannot put touch on the ball when trying to fit it into relatively decent sized windows, and shows no leadership on the field. He is the personification of ‘loser’.
How can you be shocked when you get pulled after that performance? the only drive he had was Bush’s 60 yard run where threw once.
The only way to salvage his career is to bench him for the rest of the season and make him earn it back next year – he needs a monumental wake-up call. I know Gradkowski is not a good QB but JR makes him look like Joe Montana – or at least Jeff Garcia. We’re going to get another high draft pick this year and due to the Seymour trade we won’t get another first (unless we trade for it and we won’t have the collateral to move up to get a franchise guy) round pick until 2012. I don’t know what JR’s contract looks like, but if he hasn’t hit all his escalators yet I’d dump him now and use next year’s pick on another QB if one is sitting there.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Al will ditch JR until his contract runs out so I think we’ll be stuck with JR for two more years given the loss of our 2011 1st rounder. We can all tell JR is nowhere close to improving this season and all he’s doing is reinforcing bad habits (film study, attitude problem, footwork, etc. etc.). Bench his big b*tt and play the rest of the season out with him as the EMERGENCY QB so he gets the message. He has the arm strength and he does make good throws from time to time, so the talent is there he just needs to grow the h*ll up and try.
The rookie WR’s are an embarrassment. Murphy does run good routes and he does get open but he needs to catch the ball – at least he tries to hand-catch it, unlike DHB who looks like the nerd you picked last when you played 8th grade 2 hand touch at recess. I’ve seen enough of DHB this year as well. He needs to be deactivated on game day and the staff just needs to let him catch his breath and take the pressure of starting off of him so he can develop his skills properly – until he tries to catch everything with his hands, he doesn’t see the field either. On the plus side, his route running is getting better so this year is not a total waste. He deserves a couple years to develop and just looks like a rookie – I’m not too concerned about him long term.
Defensively we’ve improved a lot but still need a SLB and a run-stuffing DT – I’m not pleased with Thomas Howard’s ability to hold the POA and stack and shed blockers – he makes plays based off his speed but he’s done once he’s engaged by a blocker. The presnence of Seymour, emergence of Kelly, and combination of Ellis and now Shaugnessy seemed to help morrison out a lot – we could still use an upgrade but SLB and a true NT to replace Warren are vital offseason needs.
I’m assuming Al will go after aC sub 4.3 CB in the draft since Chris Johsnson is still getting torched buut the rest of our secondary is actually playing decently (minus the man-scheme which I don’t like).
Anyway, bottom line: bench russell, start Gradkowski, and we should be able to win some games.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Any body know the attendance today?
Right on #73. There really are not any ifs and or buts. Just the simple fact an owner gets more caught up in own way of doing things when in reality he needs to adjust to what it really takes to put a winning team on the field. And the list is to long, I’m not gonna go there. But you all know what it is.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
It may be nice to compare DHB to Branch, but why not compare him to Troy Williamson?
He was also recently picked at #7 and hasn’t done a thing.
Or how about Willie Gault?
The Raiders could afford to sit and wait for Branch to develop.
He wasn’t signed to big money.
They could afford to keep him.
They were getting production from other receivers.
And they were winning.
The Raiders can’t afford to let DHB turn into a five year project before see any real production.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
lefty i still didnt see what holds mario got called on him. yeah the refs really f-ed up. how about when they threw a flag only to go pick it up and say there was no foul.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
because Cliff Branch was a Raider and Williamson isn’t.we didn’t draft Gault.the point is DHB is getting open.he is a good blocker.he needs more passes thrown his way-period.if the guy is open,throw him the damn ball.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
JediRaider
Almost totally agree.
Sit JR and DHB.
Chris Johnson just looks worse than he he’s been playing because 21 is on the other side.
He sees a lot more action than other CB’s because of that.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
russell shouldve been upset cuz his damn wrs cant catch. what dont some of you understand? how canhe get benched before dhb and why is murphy getting a pass? murphy drops more than dhb. dhb was the wrong pick and the raiders may pay for it dearly. getting all of thses fast guys who cant catch will never allow russell to develope.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
lets not forget cj dropped a pick 6 in this game 2. and how about captain kirk overrunning that 44 yd td on 4th and 1.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
lefty12
The problem may be, that he doesn’t want the damn ball.
He looks like he’s fighting the ball. Maybe that’s why JaMarcus doesn’t feed it to him, even though he’s on the field more than any other WR.
And if he’s on the field because of his blocking, then bring in another TE.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Armond,even the announcers said they didn’t see them,just like they said the tripping was questionable.i’m sick and tired of the officials sticking it to us-blatantly!yet people come on here and complain about boycotting the team and biotching about everything Raider.how about letting the league know we are tired of this crap and if they don’t rectify things the officials will be harassed big time.
November 15th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
JR was in the game 3 qtrs and threw 1 pass to DHB.Gradkowski played 1 qtr and threw him 2 passes.when Gradkowski played 1 qtr against the Jets,he threw him more passes than JR did in 3 qtrs.that tells me he is open and should be getting passes thrown his way.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Don’t forget that JR throws passes to DHB all week in practice. And if he’s dropping passes there too, then JR will have no confidence in him at all. It’s not just from games that he would get it from.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
I can’t wait to see the “post Al meeting” Tom Cable, lol!
We will know how that goes the minute he starts talking about if Russell or Gradkowski starts next week.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I say the Raiders should sit him down, and play him as 3rd WR only.
Mentally, he’s not ready for the starting job, and it may be doing him more than good by playing him.
Getting benched happens all the time in other sports, and it doesn’t mean they’ve given up on him.
I think the only he’s played so much is from direct orders from Al.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
lefty those damn officials make me sick. they just make stuff up along the way.we agree about forcing the ball dhb cuz he is open jr just gotta get it to him. the coaches shouldnt leave it up to him tho. start running some plays for him and move him around instead of just lining him up all the time. we do nothing to help him get better.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
The funny thing about DHB being the 3rd WR is Chaz is the only clear cut WR better than him.
Murphy drops more balls than DHB, JLH is scared, and Watkins is horrible.
Who else do we have?
November 15th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
so seeing how we on our way for another top 5 pick who do yall want right now?
November 15th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
murphy gets away with alot of sh!t around here. why didnt he outrun that defender on that perfect pass from russell.he couldve ran faster right?
November 15th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Top 5 pick?
Hmmmm ….
I’d have to say LB or CB.
Yes, CB. Look at the 3rd and 17 and 3rd and 24 we came within inches of giving up. Happens all the time. CJ makes me SOOOO nervous every time the ball goes his way. And Routt is not the answer and should be let go in FA this summer. Holland is his backup.
CB is a HUGE need as is LB. Williams and Alston rotating at SLB? Are you serious? And Kirk over running that 4th and 1 and allowing that to go for 6 was laughable!
November 15th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
And him dropping that pass from Gradkowski was another big one.
It’s always something but these guys give him the biggest pass in the world. He’s been crap since the NO preseason game.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I shouldn’t have said crap.
He’s been playing like a rookie 4th rd pick thrust into a starting role that he was not quite ready for.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Have Chaz #1. He’s clearly the most efficient WR they’ve got.
Murphy # 2. By default. And at least he acts like he wants the ball.
DHB # 3. You’re not getting much production from him anyway.
I’d like to see more 2 TE sets.
And split McFadden outside from a two RB set. Let’s see those great hands he has.
November 15th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
# raidermot Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Darius Hayward-BUM
Why draft him @ #7? He would have been available in round #2. Al Davis don’t know squat. Sorting your draft board by 40 times.
Why can’t we get an offense? D is serviceable.
Cable must go with his misplaced anger tucked between his legs. Next person he needs to beat up is himself.
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How much you fellas wanna bet CrabDiva, Harvin or Maclin would have caught those balls that DHB dropped today??
This past draft by the old stubborn man, should be the deciding factor on him hiring a REAL GM/PERSONNEL man and a REAL Head Coach to turn this pathetic franchise and team around. Cause the stubborn stupid old man Al is NOT turning this ship around….that is for damn sure!
Still can’t believe the crazy old man drafted DHB #7 overall!??!! Russell has already been mind screwed by this old man with 3 different play callers in two years.
What a lunatic!
AL DAVIS…..JUST LET IT GO AND GO AWAY!
November 15th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
djohnnyg Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I am getting too old to spend my life breaking down the iffs, ands, and buts, of this horrible franchise. I used to get so mad at the media for calling the Raiders a dysfunctional organization; I considered it media bias, but now…I have figured out that the media has been right all along. It’s even worse than “dysfunctional”.
I’m sick of concerning myself with this franchise, or caring if they win or lose.
I have lost all hope. I’m just deflated by all the constant losing and bad news coming from this pathetic joke of an organization. Watching today, and for the past seven fugging seasons, NOTHING has changed. In fact it keeps getting worse. Next week will be just another record of some kind being broken or made by this POS team….and not in a good way. How fugging long do we have to wait for something GOOD to happen?
You’d think you’d at least beat a 1-7 team AT HOME wouldn’t you? No…not THIS joke of a franchise. And while the Raiders lose on the field, and break yet another dubious record of futility, Al Davis is no doubt staying up late scouring the internet looking to sue somebody who dares to be critical of his POS franchise, and not concerning himself with fixing this F’d up joke. “Oh is somebody saying something about my team?” How can people say that we are a messed up organization”? Ypu know why Al? Because you are the laughingstock of the league. The butt of all sports jokes. Why??? Because of the constant frickin’ LOSING, and the pathetic way you go about LOSING. Your precious ‘Raiduhs’ are the worst franchise in sports, with no hope for the future. Worry about THAT; NOT what ESPN is saying about you and your POS team.
You’re losing fans every week by the thousands and that means you are losing $ too. Think about winning for once.
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Yep! Al Davis sucks!!
November 15th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
# Terrapin Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Now is there anyone else NOT convinced coaching plays a major role here?
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Uhhh…..yeah and who hires these lousy coaches and makes the stupid draft picks??
Guess who….an old lunatic who is stubborn and has a huge ego…
November 16th, 2009 at 12:03 am
# Chris in NY Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
DHB’s problem is he tries to body-catch everything. Good receivers get their hands out there and snatch it before it doinks off their shoulder pads.
And JaMarcus has been lousy, let’s face it. But please watch Reggie Wayne’s game-winning TD catch from tonight’s game and show me the one time this season where one of our receivers had a catch 1/10th that good. Those are the kind of catches NFL receivers make every week in this league. Most teams get 4 or 5 diving or otherwise impressive catches per game. I’m not sure we’ve had one of those all season. Tough to QB with that kind of sh-t on the other end.
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Great job by the owner/gm/personnel man huh? LOL
What a joke!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:04 am
# FREE PALESTINE Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
http://www.messagetoal.com
visit the site Nation!
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SIGN THIS PETITION IF YOU WANT THE RAIDERS TO BE RELEVANT AGAIN AND NOT CRAPPY ANYMORE!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:10 am
# lefty12 Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
i wonder what it would be like to root for an NFL team that the officials didn’t go out of their way to SCREW EVERY week.the tripping on Gallery-JOKE(negating a 50+yd play).2 holding calls in a row against our LT-JOKE.#42 on the chiefs holding big time on Charles’ td-no call-JOKE.lets get pissed about those things for a change,or have we become so accustomed to that crap it is acceptable?
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The Raider Nation is used to it…..nothing fans can do about it but to call the league office and yell at the tool on the other end of the line.
The blame should be on Al Davis for making bad decisions over and over and over….and over again!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:20 am
If Al Davis is still making all the decisions next year (and lets hope to god he is not)
Then if they have a top 5 pick…..(which is highly probable) then the old man better let the clock run out and let other teams pick ahead of him so he won’t have to pay top 5 money…..especially if there is no consensus pick. Old man can’t afford to be paying top 5 money on crazy REACHES who should be picked in the later part of the 1st round or 2nd round anymore! LOL….
Hire Holmgren as GM…Bruce Allen to be cap guy and operations guy then hire Gruden or Weis as the Head Coach. They should look to draft Clausen, Locker or Suh, Spikes, or Bryant
November 16th, 2009 at 12:29 am
Thank god I could not see the game! I read the blog during the game and watched the scoreboard on http://www.cbs-sports website. And I could not believe what I saw and read. Raiders were really as bad as we thought they were!! Incredible.
Now as I said the other day: Please do us all a favor and do not take the field on Sunday’s anymore. Stay in the locker roonm, have a sandwich (or two, JMR), poke your noses and just go home again, Losers.
Where will it end? And how??
November 16th, 2009 at 12:36 am
If it were me, with the run working as good as it did early on, I would have ran the rock 40 times. But then again, I’d never be an Al Davis puppet, either.
Raiders suck.
Davis sucks.
People who believe in Al Davis suck like Vito on the Sopranos.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:38 am
You guys bringing up big names as possible GMs are HILARIOUS! Davis offered S. Payton, K. Whisenhunt and B. Petrino the keys to his house, and they still said no. Everyone with a brain knows Davis tried to get Madden when he retired from t.v. NOBODY is coming here! Get that through your heads.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:41 am
I’m about to watch the game free on NFL.com, for a laugh. ‘nite, gentlemen.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Ahh… sorry, one more thought. Now we know why Randy Moss played and acted the way he did in Oakland! Thought that for a few times already… Yes, his attitude was not very professional. But he knows football, he can play. He can catch. Did you see his one-handed catch last week? And the other big one with the run after the catch? He knew what he saw in Oakland and he just gave up and wanted out. Back then I thought he was a whiner. But now I know he was bloody damn right and I am actually glad for him he went to NE. Even took a paycut IIRC, just wanted to play with a real team again. Now every time I see him make a great catch I go like: Damn, Raiders could have had that! And I’m sincerely happy for him. Well done, Randy! May you set the turf on fire for a long time still!!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:59 am
# JediRaider Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I’ve refrained most of the season from commenting because I talked up JR’s last two games of the season last year and thought he was on pace for his breakout season. This is no longer the case. His attitude is so disgustingly immature it sickens me. He is either delusional, psychotic, or just plain stupid. He has the worst stats in the league by far, flat misses his targets 50% of the time, cannot put touch on the ball when trying to fit it into relatively decent sized windows, and shows no leadership on the field. He is the personification of ‘loser’.
How can you be shocked when you get pulled after that performance? the only drive he had was Bush’s 60 yard run where threw once.
The only way to salvage his career is to bench him for the rest of the season and make him earn it back next year – he needs a monumental wake-up call. I know Gradkowski is not a good QB but JR makes him look like Joe Montana – or at least Jeff Garcia. We’re going to get another high draft pick this year and due to the Seymour trade we won’t get another first (unless we trade for it and we won’t have the collateral to move up to get a franchise guy) round pick until 2012. I don’t know what JR’s contract looks like, but if he hasn’t hit all his escalators yet I’d dump him now and use next year’s pick on another QB if one is sitting there.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Al will ditch JR until his contract runs out so I think we’ll be stuck with JR for two more years given the loss of our 2011 1st rounder. We can all tell JR is nowhere close to improving this season and all he’s doing is reinforcing bad habits (film study, attitude problem, footwork, etc. etc.). Bench his big b*tt and play the rest of the season out with him as the EMERGENCY QB so he gets the message. He has the arm strength and he does make good throws from time to time, so the talent is there he just needs to grow the h*ll up and try.
The rookie WR’s are an embarrassment. Murphy does run good routes and he does get open but he needs to catch the ball – at least he tries to hand-catch it, unlike DHB who looks like the nerd you picked last when you played 8th grade 2 hand touch at recess. I’ve seen enough of DHB this year as well. He needs to be deactivated on game day and the staff just needs to let him catch his breath and take the pressure of starting off of him so he can develop his skills properly – until he tries to catch everything with his hands, he doesn’t see the field either. On the plus side, his route running is getting better so this year is not a total waste. He deserves a couple years to develop and just looks like a rookie – I’m not too concerned about him long term.
Defensively we’ve improved a lot but still need a SLB and a run-stuffing DT – I’m not pleased with Thomas Howard’s ability to hold the POA and stack and shed blockers – he makes plays based off his speed but he’s done once he’s engaged by a blocker. The presnence of Seymour, emergence of Kelly, and combination of Ellis and now Shaugnessy seemed to help morrison out a lot – we could still use an upgrade but SLB and a true NT to replace Warren are vital offseason needs.
I’m assuming Al will go after aC sub 4.3 CB in the draft since Chris Johsnson is still getting torched buut the rest of our secondary is actually playing decently (minus the man-scheme which I don’t like).
Anyway, bottom line: bench russell, start Gradkowski, and we should be able to win some games.
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One of the best commentaries posted. Very objective and the exact right analysis.
I agree word for word, my pov too on all those issues.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:02 am
WTF do the Raiders do at practice?
JaMarcus should be throwing the balls at least a 100 times a day to DHB.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:09 am
# JediRaider Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
“Anyway, bottom line: bench russell, start Gradkowski, and we should be able to win some games.”
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Anyway, bottom line: YOU are on crack! This is more of the idiotic idea that the system is fine, the quarterback is the problem. Broken down by position, we are the in the top 3 of every category sans tight end and corner back. Our coach is a joke, hired on the cheap. We have no GM. But yes, if we just bench Russell and go with….I don’t even remember his name, we’ll start winning some games. Paaalease. We will not win games until Al Davis is gone. Let me know when we do. I’m telling you this organization sucks so bad that Peyton Manning couldn’t win here.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:10 am
excuse me..we are in the bottom 3 in every category sans TE and DB (and punter..), not top 3, obviously.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Understand what a QB is. He’s supposed to be an offensive leader. Think Gannon/Manning. An ‘OC’ practically. Pulls everyone’s heads in, gets them on the same page. It’s ALL on him the W-L’s in a spiritual sort of way.
Russell and the rest of the offense and coaching are never on the same page. Russell looks like he’s kicking stones, players on different pages and he doesnt care enough to take the burden responsibility to lead and be an ‘OC’. When Gradkowski is out there, at least there seems to be “on the same pageness” going on.
Gradkowski/Frye are not long-term answers. But they’re ‘clearly’ more efficient getting the WRs into the games, putting catchable balls there for them. Given that they never get any starter reps week-in and week-out, are rusty, get a snap in a live game once a month, yet they still have more chemistry with receivers, have more touch, receivers more confident of seeing the ball, and getting a good ball throw to them.
As someone said…Russell’s poor play (which IS evident) is bringing everyone down–the WRs, the running game, the blocking, the defense, the play-calling etc.
Gannon took the world on his shoulder. He is THE leader, it’s ON HIM, he does everything (like Brees does) to ensure the offense is humming and on the same page, and works all his receivers into every game, distributes the ball around. Russell just appears to be out there going thru the motions, and doesnt “get it” still.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:20 am
GG, despite Gradkowski’s leadership, what was the result? Who muffed that final pass that got picked off? Heyward Bay. Drafted number one. Scholarship player, isn’t going anywhere. Peyton Manning couldn’t win here, GG.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:21 am
It is impossible to take people seriously anymore when they talk of the Raiders’ problems without blaming Al Davis more than anyone else. Impossible.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Holmgren is not the answer. He stunk in Seattle. He was good in GB because he had Farve and some really good assistant coaches. He has the same problem that Cable has. He wants to do everything instead of delegating responsibility. Cables problem is that he is still trying to be the O-line coach, the Offensive coordinator and the head coach all at the same time. Plus he hasn’t fired Sanjay Lal, the WR’s coach. last year Sanjay was picking up the other coaches dry cleaning, making copies and making coffee for the coaches. Now he is in charge of the most inexperienced position group on the team. He’s a Kiffin holdover that should have been given a bus ticket to Ole Rocky Top weeks ago. What drives me crazy is that USC doesn’t coach up there WR’s!! I read an article about how they don’t have tags for their routes because only Steve Smith could consistently get it right. So this team hired a guy with no pro experience coming from a college program that just kinda gets out of the WR’s way and hopes that superior talent gets the job done. What a joke!!
Now, onto JaMarcus. He is useless until he gets his weight in check and gets into shape. Russell at 250-256 lbs is (was) lethal. He is out of shape and it shows. I don’t think that it is mental as much as he doesn’t step into his throws (still) and he doesn’t throw to his receivers until they come out of their breaks, and he still is inaccurate on out routes. That’s part his fault and part Coach Lal’s fault for having his WR’s prepared.
Cable should have used the bye to reorganize the coaching staff. Go with his strengths, He should have taken over at O-line. Jim Michalczik is not getting it done. Another Trojan that was not ready for the pros. Fire Lal, move Tolliner over to coach the WR’s. Hackett calls the plays. Cable can decide on the game plan earlier in the week and manage his offensive and defensive coordinators during the game. If Cable stays then these changes have to be made. If not then its time to bring in Marc Trestman as Head Coach and let him break this 8 year losing streak.
This years draft
RD. 1 Ndamukong Suh – DT – Nebraska
RD. 2 Sam Bradford QB – Oklahoma
RD. 3 Selvish Capers – OT – W. VA.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:29 am
The point is MaddenRaider, I’d rather have the QB out there who can throw a good catchable ball 90% of the time, that the receivers have more confidence in, and are on the same page with. Even if the WRs are dropping everything. At least you’ve got the right competent QB out there who can generate first downs and get his WRs into the game. We should’ve won that game, 35-10 the amount of ball and opportunity we got, the amount of domination we had defensively.
Of course Al Davis is the fault for everything and long-term that’s the answer. Just saying that for now, this season, Russell is not helping but dragging the team down with his erratic play and poor QB grasp.
If it was Russell playing really well, getting them into games, throwing 80% catchable passes, generating offense and TDs, but the WRs letting him down 100% of the time, then I’d be praising Russell and stressing that he isnt part of the blame. But the truth is, he is a big part of the offensive onfield dysfunction. Gradkowski with limited snaps in practice already shows about the same ability as Russell getting 100% practice snaps and starts day in day out. That shows how poor Russell is that he cant separate his play from Gradkowski.
November 16th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Al Davis is at fault for everything in the long term, the middle term, the short term, the term paper, the term of a presidency, Al Davis is at fault for every term in terms of terms. When a team has sucked for 7 years, management no longer has the luxury of blaming someone else for the short term. All of those who execute in the short term are their hires. Period. Al Davis is to blame for every single bone headed thing JaMarcus Russell has done in a Raider uniform, unless anyone here is ready to name someone more responsible for Russell being here than Al Davis.
November 16th, 2009 at 2:19 am
Russell’s responsible for Russell. He is a grown a$$ man! He chose to show up to camp out of shape, he chose to come in late for meetings, he chose not to put in extra film study during the bye week and take a mental break. Al is to blame for bringing him in here but what was the alternative Brady Quinn?? He’s been useless so far, Calvin Johnson? He’s done wonders with the Lions with their undefeated season…….oh wait 0-16 season. Trent Edwards? The Bills are set for years with that talent.
Russell was a consensus top 5 pick, had one of the best pro days of any QB and put enough on film where no one thought of him as a reach, just a player that needed to be developed. The organizations problem is that you have two people that refuse to delegate responsibility. Al Davis wants to be the entire front office and Cable wants to the the offensive coaching staff.
November 16th, 2009 at 2:32 am
Cable starting Gradkowski, and using DHB as an interchange WR, ensuring his development is slowed down, not rushed to the point of losing confidence, would send the same message to Davis, that you’re making maddenraider.
Davis needs to be bullied back and shown he’s wrong, not just standing aside and doing things his way, cos then when they dont work, he’ll still blame you. Better to be pro-active and show you can win doing things NOT his way. Like Marshall blitzing against the Eagles.
If Davis threatens people with getting fired, let him do it cos then eventually he wont be able to hire anyone who would accept his conditions and demands.
November 16th, 2009 at 2:46 am
We seriously need a decent vet WR – who are going to be the top F.As this offseason??
November 16th, 2009 at 2:47 am
and also draft Mardy Gilyard… or Jordan Shipley
November 16th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Or… Eric Decker…?
November 16th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 3:12 am
I’ve been saying 4 years the refs are biased and the vendetta is ALIVE AND WELL
November 16th, 2009 at 3:33 am
Bad catching (or NO catching) costed us the game
Higgins, Murphy and Hey-Bey all had multiple drops each. I don’t understand what Javon is doing on the bench
November 16th, 2009 at 3:38 am
I don’t care about 40 times, draft a WR who can catch the ball
Zach Miller is not a speedster but he is the best WR out there along with Chaz
DHB is the biggest bust we have drafted EVER
November 16th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Rotoworld:
”Russell completed just 9-of-24 passes for 67 yards.He went to the sideline and after having at least NINE BALLS DROPPED by his receivers.”
November 16th, 2009 at 4:15 am
Good morning nation!!
That was a sad sad loss yesterday. The person that deserves credit for the loss isnt Jrock or the WR core, but rather Sanjay Lal.
If there were someone that should be shown the door, its Sanjay Lal. Rookie coach with rookie players is showing it isnt working very well at all.
Lal joined The Oakland Raiders in 2007 working with the wide receivers for the Silver and Black as operating as offensive quality control assistant. Prior to joining the Raiders, Lal spent three seasons as an offensive assistant – quarterbacks at Cal, following one season on the football staff at Saint Mary’s College as quarterback and strength, speed and conditioning coach.
Qualified?? Yeah… not so much. Would have been really interesting if Lofton were still in that role.
November 16th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Nothing more to say anymore but “blame Al” and just waiting for news of mass firings, trades and mock drafts.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:19 am
Good write-up by Monte Poole. Nothing new but good nevertheless:
http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_13796598
November 16th, 2009 at 5:31 am
If Gruden was HC in 2009 this is what WOULD’VE occured…
The contract he signed would’ve given him control of roster and coaching/XO decisions. He would’ve ‘happily’ left Al to draft all the projects and bad fits that Al seasonally does, and just from his great coaching would’ve ensured they did not start till they were ready. So in the meantime he would’ve pushed Al to get him some vet WRs. So Walker would’ve started and probably Chambers would’ve been claimed. Guys like. Guys like Murphy and DHB would’ve seen some a couple snaps a game to get them acclimated and slowly work into it. Meanwhile, Russell during camp would NOT have made starter, instead someone like Gradkowski or Frye would’ve, just cos Gruden demands his QB is someone capable. Like we saw in Tampa Bay from him….a lot of QBs were just not up to scratch and he only went with the guy who was most capable to run his offense.
With all that discipline and HC know-how going on, the Raiders would’ve been highly competitive from week 1 right thru to where we are now in week 10. Our record would’ve at least been something like 4-5.
And if Bruce Allen were there in 2008/9, at least he would’ve been able to minimize or tone down Al’s drafting and other personnel moves.
Al therefore is to blame because he pushed these types of people away when they PROVED and EARNED the right to higher salaries and a little more control. Instead, cos of Al’s insanity, throttling control, he has only been able to attract bum or noob cheap coaches with little experience, able to be brow-beaten down to just shut up and do what he prefers, and the revolving door turnover of cheap noobish coaches and no GM to keep his feet grounded in personnel moves has seen Al make this bed that he has to lie in and suffer because of his obstinacy and megalomania.
This bed being a pathetic product and that no decent HC will come here under the terms of control that Al demands.
The problem is exasperated too because Al lives in dreamworld where he thinks he invented football, press coverage, vertical passing, that his methods are not only sound but genius, etc.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:32 am
If Gruden was HC in 2009 this is what WOULD’VE occured…
The contract he signed would’ve given him control of roster and coaching/XO decisions. He would’ve ‘happily’ left Al to draft all the projects and bad fits that Al seasonally does, and just from his great coaching would’ve ensured they did not start till they were ready. So in the meantime he would’ve pushed Al to get him some vet WRs. So Walker would’ve started and probably Chambers would’ve been claimed. Guys like Murphy and DHB would’ve seen some a couple snaps a game to get them acclimated and slowly work into it. Meanwhile, Russell during camp would NOT have made starter, instead someone like Gradkowski or Frye would’ve, just cos Gruden demands his QB is someone capable. Like we saw in Tampa Bay from him….a lot of QBs were just not up to scratch and he only went with the guy who was most capable to run his offense.
With all that discipline and HC know-how going on, the Raiders would’ve been highly competitive from week 1 right thru to where we are now in week 10. Our record would’ve at least been something like 4-5.
And if Bruce Allen were there in 2008/9, at least he would’ve been able to minimize or tone down Al’s drafting and other personnel moves.
Al therefore is to blame because he pushed these types of people away when they PROVED and EARNED the right to higher salaries and a little more control. Instead, cos of Al’s insanity, throttling control, he has only been able to attract bum or noob cheap coaches with little experience, able to be brow-beaten down to just shut up and do what he prefers, and the revolving door turnover of cheap noobish coaches and no GM to keep his feet grounded in personnel moves has seen Al make this bed that he has to lie in and suffer because of his obstinacy and megalomania.
This bed being a pathetic product and that no decent HC will come here under the terms of control that Al demands.
The problem is exasperated too because Al lives in dreamworld where he thinks he invented football, press coverage, vertical passing, that his methods are not only sound but genius, etc.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:45 am
# Terrapin Says:
November 15th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
A 70%+ completion QB with ZERO INTs and a tied game. And you bench him.
Your ass is as good as fired. This sht is just crazy.
Bring in Gradkowski to what, go 3& out, throw a pick and do no better than the guy that was in?
Stupid is as stupid does.
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What is this 70% you speak of???
I’m sorry, Jamarcus looked awful out there.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
4eva, I would have to agree with you on your post about the refs! There were a few flags thrown that was later picked up. That Murphy catch on the 5…that flag was thrown after everyone celebrated! Oh well, it is what it is. But, the refs weren’t the reason why the Raiders loss yesterday…
November 16th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Funny thing is…the “1st and 10″ crowd at the corner of the endzone (opposite the Black Hole) started the chants of “Russell Sucks!” Then it swarmed around the stadium. It was pretty loud if you ask me. Or, I was still feeling the effects of tailgating and it seemed loud…haha! Next offensive series, Gradowski came in to a standing ovation! Justified or not, Russell did throw 2 great passes, probably of his career, prior to getting yanked. Bruce, to me, found the open man. The only thing that left me scratching my head was after Gradowski had to run for a first down and time ticking down…why did McFadden run after that? Was that a planned play? Hmmm…
November 16th, 2009 at 6:08 am
All these people who can’t believe Jamarcus shouldn’t have got benched… Do you realize he is completing less than 10% of his passes on 3rd down? The guy can not complete a 3rd and long pass, literally, EVER!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 6:11 am
What happened after Jamarcus threw those 2 beautiful passes? He overthrew JLH (who was open) and almost got picked.
Time to see what we have in Bruce, probably will be not much, but he is plucky and runs around with some zip. I would like to see what he can do given the whole week to prepare.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:11 am
DHB should be in the bench the very next game, and play the 4th WR role, or not play.
He has 6 catches in 9 games, starting all of them. That’s the worst I have seen in years, it’s awfull. He has less catches than Gary Russell, Schilens had 3 catches and he played yesterday for the first time this season.
Gradkowski had 2 picks but both were WR drop (Higgins and DHB)
JUST THINK THIS:
DHB DROPS (THE LONG BOMB AND THE LAST PLAY) MADE US LOSE THIS GAME
November 16th, 2009 at 6:14 am
DHB catches the ball like he is catching a ball of laundry. He uses (or tries to) his arms and body, and no hands.
Time to move him to the bench and let him catch his breath, and let his head stop swimming.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:16 am
All these people who can’t believe Jamarcus shouldn’t have got benched… Do you realize he is completing less than 10% of his passes on 3rd down? The guy can not complete a 3rd and long pass, literally, EVER!!!
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Actually he had two 3rd down passes completed to Zach Miller for about 15 yards and to Murphy for 27 yards.
BOTH CALLED BACK BECAUSE OL PENALTIES
November 16th, 2009 at 6:18 am
BTW,
Lou Rankin had 6 touches for 48 yards yesterday for the Seahawks.
And how did Morrison have 10 SOLO tackles yesterday? The guy gets his numbers, because watching without audio, it seemed like he was not doing much.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:22 am
The facts remain El Tato. What happened on the next play after those passes? We need consistancy, not a flash in the pan, occassional sign of something good.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:22 am
The remember of the 50 yard pass DHB dropped yesterday makes me very angry
I am going to punch somebody today
November 16th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Rankin gained 48 yards on 6 touches? I knew Rankin was better than Fargas, Clady was better than McFadden, and Crabtree was better than DHB. How pathetic is it that I can evaluate players better than Davis?
November 16th, 2009 at 6:26 am
The facts remain El Tato. What happened on the next play after those passes? We need consistancy, not a flash in the pan, occassional sign of something good.
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I know, I am not trying to defend JaMarcus, he is inconsistent, thats for sure.
But I don’t think he is the reason why we lose yesterday:
- If DHB catches the long bomb, that’s probably 7 points for us, or at least 3.
- Zach Miller pass called back because a Satele penalty had us in the Red Zone. The penalty put us 10 yards back and Janikowski missed the FG.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Rankin gained 48 yards on 6 touches? I knew Rankin was better than Fargas, Clady was better than McFadden, and Crabtree was better than DHB. How pathetic is it that I can evaluate players better than Davis?
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I HAVE THAT FEELING TOO
November 16th, 2009 at 6:27 am
0/13 3rd downs converted when Russell was QB.
Gradkowski managed 2 from about 4.
Russell also handicaps the offense because he does not see the field, does not spread the ball around to keep defenses guessing or to beat them throwing elsewhere when they close a receiver down, does not bring his WRs into the game, they just go cold, and all he does is dunk the ball, like even if it’s a 3rd and 7 he’ll dunk to a FB for a 2yard gain.
Phil Simms is often quoted when talking about QB play and this whole concept of a “game manager”. He said that there’s no such thing in the NFL. Because every game entails clutch throws by a QB. Any QB that checks down all the time or cannot complete difficult clutch throws (not just on 3rd downs but 1st and 2nd downs), where he has to thread a needle with a strong throw, etc, will be found out in training by the coaches and never rise to a starter.
That’s what Russell is. A #1 overall pick too = bust if he cannot even separate himself from a Gradkowski. In fact Gradkowski is MORE capable. That’s how bad he is. Gradkowski isnt an answer, but he CAN generate yards, 1st downs, factor in his WRs, not let go cold, spread the ball around, see the whole field, scamper for 1st downs, and deliver catchable passes.
If any of you watch other games, guys like Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Henne, etc, they can in all their noobness and less time starting than Russell, they can generate yards, TDs, factor in their WRs, can overcome WR drops, can spread the ball around. And guys like Rivers, Roethliberger, Palmer, if you watch, they throw billions of catchable balls per game, and can overcome those WR drops, and there’s a few times a game when the WRs WILL respond and “make a play” catching difficult off-target throws. But with Russell the receivers are often wrong-footed because they can never predict where Russells pass goes. Watch those camera shots of our receivers…they’re often going one way then stopping and propping and readusting last second to a bullet Russell throw that’s to the knees or above the back shoulder or hip. Too many times that a WR cannot just keep bailing out the QB catching all those.
Watch the passes Gradkowski completed to Schilens and DHB in that last drive…they were all perfectly placed.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:27 am
El Tato,
No doubt the team let Jamarcus down a little more than he let them down yesterday. But that’s a first!!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 6:28 am
DHB DROPS (THE LONG BOMB AND THE LAST PLAY) MADE US LOSE THIS GAME
I hear ya!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 6:30 am
What up NATION??/
I missed yesterdays game altogether but was checking on
my blackberry. from what i read so far DHB, had some key drops….Who knew?
November 16th, 2009 at 6:30 am
GG,
Look at Jamarcus’ last two passes, both to Meyers in the flat, and roughly the same throw. One was high and outside, the other low and inside. The pass probably traveled 15 yards in the air, yet there was like a 6 foot difference in where the pass ended up. Awful.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Question, did “BRL” get yanked??? How did gradkoski get in the game?
November 16th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Would be nice to have Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin instead of Jamarcus Russell and DHB.
Again, not the positions we are drafting that is the problem. It is the guy we are drafting. Do we even have a scouting department?
November 16th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Vegas…
Look at Jamarcus’ last two passes, both to Meyers in the flat, and roughly the same throw. One was high and outside, the other low and inside. The pass probably traveled 15 yards in the air, yet there was like a 6 foot difference in where the pass ended up. Awful.
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Exactly. If anyone actually watches the game and observes properly objectively, they’ll understand why Russell gets benched.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:34 am
The only difference is that how many you believe that Crabtree would have played for the Raiders had we drafted him and not DHB? On draft day, he and his dad blew a sigh of relief after Al drafed DHB. He didn’t want to come here. Of course, I could be wrong, but that is what I have seen.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Guys help me out here, i missed the game. How did gradkowskie get it, was black ryan leaf injured?
November 16th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Russell got benched the series after his 2 good throws, one to DHB, droppe; the other to Murphy on the 5, called back for a late penalty flag. The next series, he overthrew and then threw at the receivers feet…in the grass! The chants started right after that, and Gradowski came in…
November 16th, 2009 at 6:37 am
If anyone needs counseling, please let me know. I am here for you.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Anyway, the way the unproven rookie players get paid in this league is just stupid.
Just check out the last years top-10 payers in the Drafts, thee are 7 bust players out of the 10 selected
I would trade out of the top 10 every year
November 16th, 2009 at 6:38 am
CHARLIE FRY, CHARLIE FRY, CHARLIE FRY !!!
November 16th, 2009 at 6:41 am
I would start Frye or Gradkowski, they are not long term answer at QB, but if they can do the job better than JaMarcus they should be playing
JaMarcus just regressed, he had a very good second half last season, with a better QB rating in the last 6-7 games than Flacco or Ryan, about 88 QB rating
November 16th, 2009 at 6:41 am
hwnrdr, thank you….
November 16th, 2009 at 6:43 am
We could and should allways trade out. Our second day picks are allways better anyway.
Someone asked the question do we have a personnel dept, of course we do, Mr. Davis is the personnel dept.
Mr. Davis is the raiders…..In his mind.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Jay Cutler will be in a Raiders uniform before his playing days are over.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Jamarcus inspires hopelessness, not hope. You can see it with his teammates, the fans, his coaches and even himself. He plays with zero confidence and ultra-tight. Bruce plays with some zip, zest, pizzazz, pluckiness, whatever you want to call it.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:45 am
People too hard on DHB. Under normal management/coaching he would be worked in slowly, getting a few snaps a game till he proved he deserved more snaps. Like Mike Wallace in Pittsburgh has proven, and has increasingly been targeted and factored in.
Plus, only 9 games. Russell has had 3 years including hold-outs, off-season and in-season weight issues, slacking off, leaving early etc. AND his play has been woeful. DHB cares, DHB gets angry and demands more of himself when he messed up with that drop at the end. DHB trains hard. So one should suspend judgment till he has had a good 2-3 years.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:45 am
we need to move on from the black ryan leaf experiment.. He does not have the work ethic required to be an NFL qb… No one was every asking him to save the raiders, only way that hapens is when Mr. Davis retires. BRL, has never had the work ethic, and is not a leader of men…
November 16th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Good story I think, especially if you didn’t get to see the game.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_regular_season
November 16th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Bruce Pizazzowski starter with Charlie Frye back-up, and Russell deactivated. Let him earn it back (not that he will) the Vince Young way.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:50 am
You would think we are the only team that drafts BUST players in the top 10, but we are not alone: Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, Gholston, Harvey, Gaines Adams, Levi Brown, Landry, Jamaal Anderson, Ted Ginn, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, AJ Hawk, Donte Whitner, Earnie Sims, Leinart, Alex Smith, Braylon Edwards, Pacman Jones, Try Williamson, Mike Williams,…
All top-10 busts since 2005
November 16th, 2009 at 6:54 am
The last few years the first round is a bust nest
November 16th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Drafting busts is par for the course. We all have tolerance that GMs can hit:miss 50:50.
Still, Russell in particular has never earned his role and does very little currently to earn his role or even maintain it week in week out.
Starting him consistently as we have this season despite his faceplant is the bad part. Like Davis can be ok letting the team lose embarrassingly because he’s so hell-bent on proving to Kiffin/all that Russell is “great”.
All we need to know is that Al prematurely insisted that a dispassionate and incapable QB was “great”. That shows how messed up Al is.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Good story I think, especially if you didn’t get to see the game.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_regular_season
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Thanks for the read Brother…..
November 16th, 2009 at 7:13 am
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had to work yesterday so I missed the game. I went to watch the highlights on NFL.com and all they had were errors. It was like a 30 second bloppers video. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am done man, I am just done. Ity went past pissing me off, it is now comical. IF Russel was missing his WRs, they were missing catches. DHB and Murphy owe Al some money bacl. LMAO!!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:16 am
”Oaklands line was flagged repeatedly including back to back flags on left tackle Mario Henderson. In truth though, it was clear on play back 2 of his 3 flags were phantoms by corrupt or completely incompetent refs.”
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Henderson penalties were a JOKE. You only had to see Henderson’s face to see the penalties were a joke, the guy was like ”WTF?”. TV replay just showed me the penalty was non-existent
November 16th, 2009 at 7:16 am
I think the Satele penalty on the Miller screen was part of the reason Jamarcus was benched. That is a timing play, and clearly Jamarcus hesistated for whatever reason before throwing the pass, and screwed up the timing, causing Samson to leave the line too early.
Cable is an O-line coach, so you know he would stick up for his guy on that one. They showed him after the play and he had a “Goddammit Jamarcus” look on his face, not a “Goddamnit Samson” look. Cost us yards on a great play-call (someone has to say it), and ultimately we missed the FG. Next drive he misses the “read” and is off on his throw (shocking) on consecutive plays. It was time to go.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Gents,
Gruden signed an extension with ESPN for MNF. You can cross him off the list of Raiders’ saviors.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Dakota,
I knew there was no way John Grudden was coming back to work for a looser team like this one. There is know great coaches out there that want the Raider’s head coach job.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:24 am
So, in 5th grade touch football kids are taught to catch the ball with their hands…..DHB has his arms splayed so far apart when trying to catch a ball he could give Rosie O’Donnell a bear hug…and then the ball bounces off his chest…is the kid just a fuking retard or what? Fuking simpleton retarded mother fuker god damn it sonofabiotch!
First the refs bail him out late in the game because the retard can’t get his feet down, and then he proceeds to give the ball right to KC with his hands of stone.
WORST PICK IN NFL HISTORY SINCE RUSSELL WENT #1! lol
November 16th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Never thought that he would want to come here. I watched Monday night Football last week (Den vs Pitt) for the first time in like forever…(The last 2 seasons where The Raiders opened up on Monday night I was there at the Coliseum). Gruden was laughing and having a good time while watching football. I did not think he had his mind elsewhere after watching that…
November 16th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Let’s set the stage….
Losing 16-10, but driving, the Raiders face a 2nd and 1 from just past midfield, with 50 seconds on the clock and 1 timeout left. The RB is the former #4 pick in the draft is handed a draw and……
Shows ZERO vision, runs into the back of his own man, goes down even though he is nowhere near “wrapped up”, fails to get ONE FREAKIN YARD and the team has to waste it’s last timeout.
Has a top 5 pick RB ever looked so overmatched on the field? When is he going to spin out of a pile and get 15 yards (like Bush yesterday for 60+)? When is going to break an open-field tackle and show some NFL level talent. The guy looks like an undrafted free agent out there.
Russell, DHB, and Darren…..the anti-triplets.
Good day men. Let’s not let our normal escape from reality ruin our reality.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Even worse news, the NFL is not going to punish Cable….you know why? Because they know to punish Cable would mean Al could fire him for cause…noooooo, the NFL knows that the best way to punish the RAIDERS is to allow Cable to continue to coach for them!
BASTARDS!!!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Vegas,
Bruce comes in with more zip but he gets the same results. This is not a good football team. Bruce, Frye are back ups on a average team material. Russel, I have no idea where he ranks. Right now it looks like wasted talent.
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vegas raider Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Jamarcus inspires hopelessness, not hope. You can see it with his teammates, the fans, his coaches and even himself. He plays with zero confidence and ultra-tight. Bruce plays with some zip, zest, pizzazz, pluckiness, whatever you want to call it.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Vegas…
I think the Satele penalty on the Miller screen was part of the reason Jamarcus was benched. That is a timing play, and clearly Jamarcus hesistated for whatever reason before throwing the pass, and screwed up the timing, causing Samson to leave the line too early.
Cable is an O-line coach, so you know he would stick up for his guy on that one. They showed him after the play and he had a “Goddammit Jamarcus” look on his face, not a “Goddamnit Samson” look. Cost us yards on a great play-call (someone has to say it), and ultimately we missed the FG. Next drive he misses the “read” and is off on his throw (shocking) on consecutive plays. It was time to go.
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Well observed. Fans often don’t see/know why a player is not doing well or why they are doing well, not from a coach’s pov.
Eg, DHB does do a lot of things well, running routes, making cuts, and coming out of breaks. He’s developing.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:30 am
DHB does do a lot of things well, running routes, making cuts, and coming out of breaks. He’s developing.
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Yes, you only forget catch the football
November 16th, 2009 at 7:31 am
I agree GG…but he needs to sit and watch or come in as a situational WR. It wasn’t so much him costing us the game. Like someone mentioned on here earlier…a good team can overcome drops by the recievers! BTW: Are you same GG that was on Raiderfans?
November 16th, 2009 at 7:34 am
DHB does do a lot of things well, running routes, making cuts, and coming out of breaks. He’s developing.
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Great…should really help him on a reality dance program or something…until he gets a hand transplant none of those things mean jack squat for the Raiders.
My wife cracked me up yesterday, she said defenders don’t have to play right next to DHB, they just position themselves where they believe the ball is most likely to deflect after it ricochets off of DHB. lol
November 16th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Cable: “I’ve decided to make a change at the QB and WR position. I’ll further look at the films and determine who will start against the Bengals.”
Phone Rings.
Cable: “I’ll be right back.”
Cable comes back after 10 minutes of meeting with AD.
Cable: “After looking at the film, I believe we must stay the course and play JR and DHB. After all, they were within inches of turning the corner.”
November 16th, 2009 at 7:36 am
[...] the game, Cable refused to commit to Russell as his starting quarterback moving forward and who could blame him? The former first overall [...]
November 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Lakers, ND and the Raiders all lost this weekend! Cripes!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Dear Jamarcus Russell: OK, the joke is over. You and your ambulance chaser agent got one over on a senile NFL owner. Now do the right thing and take your 31 mil. in guaranteed money and go. You know you suck and are a disgrace to every player who ever wore the Silver and Black. If you invest wisely, you will never have to work again. If Big Al has a stroke or retires, you are going to be placed on waivers anyway and then you will be disgraced when no team picks you up. Just leave.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Haha! Funny, but probably true!
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Cable: “I’ve decided to make a change at the QB and WR position. I’ll further look at the films and determine who will start against the Bengals.”
Phone Rings.
Cable: “I’ll be right back.”
Cable comes back after 10 minutes of meeting with AD.
Cable: “After looking at the film, I believe we must stay the course and play JR and DHB. After all, they were within inches of turning the corner.”
November 16th, 2009 at 7:38 am
FIRE Sanjay Lal!!!
NOW… he wasnt qualified and is showing that a bad coach can make players worse!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Cable is an Idiot! Cable is an Idiot! Cable is an Idiot! Cable is an Idiot! Cable is an Idiot! Cable is an Idiot! Cable is an Idiot! Cable is an Idiot!
There, I feel better now, I vented, Raiders sucking and Lakers losing in the same day is hard to take.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Damn, I scored 121 points and still lost my FFL game too…
son of a!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:42 am
did you guys saw the top 5 catches vid in nfl.com
I recommend you all to see it, catches you are not going to see while watching Oakland play
Avant catch is awesome
November 16th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Of course, he needs to learn to catch!
Just saying, bit too early to harrass him at this point in his career.
I mean, dont hate DHB, hate Davis. He’s the one who drafted him, insisted he started day 1, gave him a noob WRs coach, and a dispassionate non-leader QB.
Every college hopeful, whether they’re Crabtree with great catching ability or a LB who is a good tackler and reader of the game, still have many things to learn, like running routes, disengaging blockers, breaking tackles etc.
Like I said, if under better management, the right way to bring him along was to ease him in a few snaps a game, build his confidence up.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:46 am
# hwnrdr Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:31 am
I agree GG…but he needs to sit and watch or come in as a situational WR. It wasn’t so much him costing us the game. Like someone mentioned on here earlier…a good team can overcome drops by the recievers! BTW: Are you same GG that was on Raiderfans?
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I agree with your post.
And yep the one and same GG.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:46 am
[...] the game, Cable refused to commit to Russell as his starting quarterback moving forward and who could blame him? The former first overall [...]
November 16th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I won my FF Game, I had Jamaal Charles starting. I knew our run defense was going to help me
November 16th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Hey exla…that was a BS trade in the FFL…totally unfair.
Two can play at that game…since that happened and my team is about to tank, check out my roster and I will hook you with whatever player you want.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Never mind Exla…two wrongs do not make a right…blah blah blah etc etc etc…I was going to offer you Maurice Jones Drew.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:54 am
4shame…4shame lol
November 16th, 2009 at 7:56 am
From David White’s column:
“I don’t ever stop believing we’re going to get where we want to be,” Cable said.
DOES THIS GUY HAVE A CLUE!!
Gruden is gone and Harbaugh is close to signing an extension. Black Monday!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Lakers, ND and the Raiders all lost this weekend! Cripes!
Can
you 
say A-F-F-L-A-L-O 
November 16th, 2009 at 8:11 am
137.hwnrdr Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Funny thing is…the “1st and 10″ crowd at the corner of the endzone (opposite the Black Hole) started the chants of “Russell Sucks!” Then it swarmed around the stadium. It was pretty loud if you ask me. Or, I was still feeling the effects of tailgating and it seemed loud…haha! Next offensive series, Gradowski came in to a standing ovation!
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LMFAO!
I can totally see that being the reason Cable made the change. Because the fans were tired of him.
He is such a clown!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:14 am
any team from the pac-10 can beat this lousy of a football team right now. clueless head coach, senile owner, overpaid high draft picks (owners fault). Al Davis on his #1 draft picks – “hey, that jamarcus has a cannon of an arm, who cares if he can’t hit a side of a barn.” hey, that heyward-bey guy can outrun any defender on the field, who cares if he can’t catch a football (give the guy some stick’em). all in time they will come around, yeah right Al. when h*ll freezes over.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:18 am
vegas raider Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 6:08 am
All these people who can’t believe Jamarcus shouldn’t have got benched… Do you realize he is completing less than 10% of his passes on 3rd down? The guy can not complete a 3rd and long pass, literally, EVER!!!
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Vegas,
The point is why was he benched WHEN he was. Gradkowski should have been the starter coming out of the bye week.
Strictly talking about yesterday’s game, the QB was 9/24 with AT LEAST 8 drops. NO ONE is disputing the drops. Every article you read talks about the WRs dropping AT LEAST 8 balls.
And how many drive killing penalties did we have to go along with those drops? The drive where Jano missed the tying FG, a penalty killed the Miller play that would have had us on the 4 yd line.
Russell deserved to be benched because of shyt that has been happening since the summer. The BYE week would have been a good time to do that, not because the fans started chanting it.
Bottom line is if the WRs make catch those 8 drops, we win the game going away.
Heck, even if Murphy catches that long ball from Grads, or DHB is holds on to the ball for Grads. Good ball, bad balls, the WRs are dropping them all. I don’t care about losing “PRETTY” with Gradkowski. It’s still LOSING!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Jamarcus. DHB. Tom Cable. This is the worse offense in Raiders history. This offense makes bed & breakfast look decent. You can’t coach speed? well aparently you cant coach soft hands either…That sideline catch by DHB, he had no clue where he was on the field, good receivers drag the toe….Jamarcus is a mix of ignorance, lack of talent and bad luck. He is gonna get a receiver killed, or at least seriously injured before the season is over, he hangs them out to dry every time….
November 16th, 2009 at 8:30 am
vegas raider Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:16 am
I think the Satele penalty on the Miller screen was part of the reason Jamarcus was benched. That is a timing play, and clearly Jamarcus hesistated for whatever reason before throwing the pass, and screwed up the timing, causing Samson to leave the line too early.
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I disagree with that. Cmon Vegas! You are pulling it all out against Russell this week. The timing was literally off by a heartbeat, and the flag should have NEVER been thrown. Satele had NO ONE around him, got a little antsy and shot off straight downfield. Since he was standing right on the LOS, the ref flagged him for taking ONE step forward and crossing the line.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Charlie Weis will be the next coach of the Oakland Raiders and his first draft pick will be Jimmy Clausen.
My Crazy Prediction
November 16th, 2009 at 8:33 am
My wife cracked me up yesterday, she said defenders don’t have to play right next to DHB, they just position themselves where they believe the ball is most likely to deflect after it ricochets off of DHB. lol
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Good one!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Boy, that extra week of preparation really showed yesterday didn’t it? We were unstoppable!
Cable’s wife better have that protection order in place by the end of the season because the Wife Beating Buffoon is toast, and he might be ready to crack some female skulls when he gets his pink slip.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:38 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Cable: “I’ve decided to make a change at the QB and WR position. I’ll further look at the films and determine who will start against the Bengals.”
Phone Rings.
Cable: “I’ll be right back.”
Cable comes back after 10 minutes of meeting with AD.
Cable: “After looking at the film, I believe we must stay the course and play JR and DHB. After all, they were within inches of turning the corner.”
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Totally agree!
BUT …
I think Greg Knapp and Lane Kiffin have probably started making their calls too. Cable HAS to know that he is going to be fired.
HAS TO!
I agree with GG on this point that Cable should give Al the FU and go with his and Hackett’s boy Gradkowski, and also bench DHB. I think he would have the national media on his side, and it would be an interesting was of wills.
I need something entertaining to look forward to, cuz we are certainly not getting anything on the field, lol!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Raider75 Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Charlie Weis will be the next coach of the Oakland Raiders and his first draft pick will be Jimmy Clausen.
My Crazy Prediction
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As a ND fan I want Weis fired…but on the other hand, he would be a major upgrade from Cable in Oakland lol.
And if Clausen started reading the Raider playbook today and practiced with the team this week and then started the next game for the Raiders, he would be twice as good as Russell.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:42 am
# Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Raider75 Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Charlie Weis will be the next coach of the Oakland Raiders and his first draft pick will be Jimmy Clausen.
My Crazy Prediction
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As a ND fan I want Weis fired…but on the other hand, he would be a major upgrade from Cable in Oakland lol.
And if Clausen started reading the Raider playbook today and practiced with the team this week and then started the next game for the Raiders, he would be twice as good as Russell.
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Weis has put a great offense together in ND with Clausen, Floyd, and Tate.
He just doesn’t do Defense. PERFECT FIT FOR OAKLAND!
His offensive schemes are proven in the NFL and will work with the right QB. Clausen would come in knowing a good portion of the Weis’ playbook already.
IT COULD WORK. Al should listen to me.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Charlie Weis???????
LMFAO!
Heck … why not?
At this point, whatever man!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I think Cleveland or St Louis will beat us to Claussen.
I why am I just SOOOO leary about giving fat cash to another rookie QB?
November 16th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Here is an article from the Boston Globe in 2004…
Crennel, Weis: One job remains
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff | January 22, 2004
There were seven head coaching vacancies in the NFL and thus far, none of them has been filled by Patriots coordinators Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis. But when Dallas assistant head coach Sean Payton reportedly backed out or was never hired by the Oakland Raiders (depending on which reports you believe) yesterday, there was still a remote chance Crennel or Weis could get the last remaining opening.
Even before Payton’s second interview, it was thought Oakland owner Al Davis might wait for Weis or Crennel.
“I think they were the victims of circumstance,” said one AFC executive. “Part of it was that teams wanted to get on with hiring a coach before the Super Bowl. There’s a lot to do and not a lot of time to do it. The other thing was there were connections with the top officials that Crennel and Weis didn’t seem to have, with the exception of the Giants. There were teams who wanted to go with established coaches. And there was at least one case with Atlanta and Jim Mora Jr. that Jim simply blew them away at the interview. Certainly the Patriots have had a lot of success, but I think there’s always going to be that stigma attached to Romeo and Charlie that they work for Bill Belichick and that Bill is the real mastermind behind their success.”
There is, however, some interest in the Patriots’ assistant coaches to become coordinators. The New York Post reported that quarterbacks coach John Hufnagel is said to be new Giants head coach Tom Coughlin’s top candidate to be offensive coordinator. Hufnagel joined the Patriots this season after being dismissed along with Coughlin’s entire staff in Jacksonville.
Inside linebackers coach Pepper Johnson, according to one league source, is a potential candidate for Lovie Smith’s defensive coordinator position in Chicago, though it appears he is not the top candidate. Johnson would be free to go as his contract with the Patriots will expire after the Super Bowl.
Davis likes young, up-and-coming offensive coordinators, and Payton seemed to qualify for that over Weis. While Bills president Tom Donahoe thought Weis had a great interview, his ties with Mike Mularkey, whom he hired in Pittsburgh, were too strong to pass up. Bears general manager Jerry Angelo, who is a good friend of Belichick’s, was thought to covet Crennel, but in the end Smith, who had been on the Buccaneers’ staff when Angelo was the general manager, won out — again because of familiarity. While having to wait for Weis and Crennel might have been a factor again, most league officials questioned didn’t feel it was the overwhelming one. While Crennel was given a three-year extension, at what one NFC team official described as “far less than the fashionable $1 million per year the top defensive coordinators earn,” Weis has one year remaining on his deal. It would not be surprising to see Weis be interviewed for the Raider job if Davis is inclined to keep it available until after the Super Bowl.
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Al could say he wanted Weis all along but couldn’t wait on him, and then he went to ND. Al could crow about getting a great guy and with proven x’s & o’s.
I’m telling you, this may not be that far off.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Adam_Schefter Like MNF? It’s staying that way. JJon Gruden has agreed to an exclusive multi-year agreement with ESPN, committing broadcast, not coach
November 16th, 2009 at 8:56 am
we need to get rid of JaDarrenBey !!!!!!!!!!
stupid draft’s
we have to wait for AL DAVIS to go it’s as simple as that.
we all know it it’s true the game is soooo far passed him.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Is there ANY scenario where you see Cable keeping his job?
Are there any players who will go to bat for him?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Tom Cable should have been fired, for cause, after last year’s fake FG brain fart.
Tom Cable should be fired this year for his Wild Hog brain fart. Team goes straight down the field in four plays for a touchdown. Exactly what a football team is supposed to do. An interception ensues. Fans and team are jacked. They are ready for some football. Come the Wild Hog and a dismal death ensues.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Woke up the next morning ….still pissed off.
Fire Cable. That’s all I got to say.
Rushing offense went from Top 5 to Bottom 5.
JLH = regressing
JR = regressing
DMC = regressing
Offense = can’t get off the toilet
He doesn’t know his team. He doesn’t play to their strengths. Every week he trots them out there to do “His” bidding b/c “[he] wants to be aggressive.” So he is more often than not putting WRs in 20+ yd routes, rookie WRs at that, no matter what the circumstances.
He trots out 2 rooks to start with a 2nd year QB and expects glory? No HC in the league does that sht. Its has been a disaster! He’s running 3rbs in the rotation constantly. We have no “feature” back. Stick with 2 at most, not 3. You saw Kiffin running 3 at a time? But oh no Cable has something better planned ….to the tone of bottom 5 rushing.
He benches a QB for nada! QB didn’t deserve the benching THIS game. 8-10 balls being dropped is NOT the QBs fault! Benching a QB that had ZERO INTs, would have gone 70%+ completion at MINIMUM if not for the drops, and being down only 3pts (or tied) is just ASININE!
He basically sold his QB out – made him the scapegoat – publicly, by example, put the loss on him. That relationship will be stale for the rest of the year. Instead of benching the guys that were dropping balls and causing penalties ….he benches the QB for their failures? Are you f’n kiddin’ me?
Thats not a coach you want. Only Todd Haley is worse than him; but so many people are better. Even Norv.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:18 am
The only time JR is partially effective is when he’s in the shotgun. He needs to sit the rest of the year… So does DHB. Oh, and fire Sanjay Lal. Now. he sucks as a wr coach.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:19 am
M Lonetree,
The Wild Hog was run for 2 plays for 5 yards. I really don’t think that was a major factor in this loss.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am
The problem with Al is that he has this philosophy of going out and getting the biggest height/weight/speed guys and developing them into a physically dominating team. Once upon a time, that was genius.
But the game has changed.
Now everyone only drafts players that fulfill certain physical h/w/s requirements. When Al was getting guys who ran 4.3s to go against guys who probably ran 4.9s it was a significant advantage. But drafting guys solely based on their ability to run 4.3s when the other teams now load up on guys who run 4.4s is pointless.
Change of direction quickness, hands, instincts, toughness, attitude, intelligence, etc. — think any of those things might be more valuable than being .1 seconds quicker over 40 yards on a track in shorts and t-shirt?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:26 am
The drops cost us the game plain and simple. Those drops (& penalties) totally deflated any kind of momentum or simply stopped it from occurring.
These boys were dropping simple dump offs. The sht was unbearable. Drops were costing TDs. Raiders would’ve ran away with the game easily if not for those drops and penalties.
But oh, our great coach takes it out on the QB. Dumbass.
Al may be patient and let Cable play out his tenure, but its already written. Cable is adios. (And good riddance you bum!)
November 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Chris,
The point is why break out the wildhog in the 9th game of the season?
Why not just give the ball right back to Bush?
Why not just start Gradkowski coming out of the bye week?
WTF is Cable’s plan?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Al is telling Herrera to go to the antique store to pick up a new light for the overhead projector.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:30 am
ChrisNY,
the mindset of the Raiders is fragile. The great start was derailed immediately with the asinine gimmickry. It changed the scene and rhythm instantly.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Ignoring KC, let me ask you all this: How many blowouts must you witness before you figure out Cable is not the answer?
The guy has a better squad than Kiffin had yet he’s getting blown out of so many games.
Doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure out this guy is a bum.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
After going to the game yesterday, it is clear that the Cable guy must go!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Guys:
I know my words sound hollow right now, but, as I’ve said before – this team does NOT need another head coach.
Only by sticking with Cable will the message be made loud and clear to the players on this team that THEY need to perform better.
The message needs to be: If you keep dropping the damned ball, you’re gonna get benched or cut.
The message needs to be: If you keep throwing bad passes, you’re gonna get benched or cut.
The message needs to be: The coach is here to stay, so put up or shut up.
Only by sticking with Cable will the mentality of this team begin to change. If even half of those balls were caught yesterday, the result would have been a victory for the Raiders, a pretty good game for Jamarcus and possibly touchdowns for Murphy and DHB. And you wouldn’t be yackin’ about firing Cable.
Boo the coach. Boo the QB. These are the easiest things for fans to do.
I call it fickle.
7 years of losing is NOT Cable’s fault.
And 7 years of losing is NOT Jamarcus’ fault.
As far as I’m concerned, the 5 years previous to Jamarcus’ rookie year mean NOTHING.
Have some freakin’ patience. Kenny Stabler did not even START until his 5th season in the league!!!!!!
To not play Jamarcus the rest of this year would be the stupidest thing the Raiders can do. We’re not going to the playoffs, so as a fan, I need to know who my QB is going to be next year, by the end of THIS year. And if you sit Russell down, you’re not making that possible.
I look at DHB and Murphy & Jamarcus & D-Mac, and contrary to most of you, I see four guys that WILL be good players. They’re not now, but, they will be.
Call me stupid.
That’s fine.
But I will also appreciate the wait, that much more, when they succeed.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:32 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Al is telling Herrera to go to the antique store to pick up a new light for the overhead projector.
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LMAO!! “….make that one of those energy efficient light bulbs …we’re already losing a ton of money ..and this may take a long time”
November 16th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I’m just saying …
Chris in NY Says:
April 25th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
And with the 7th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders make the worst draft pick in the history of the NFL Draft.
This is no better than giving Javon Walker $10 million per year. It’s the same thing. Maybe worse.
This essentially kills anything good the Raiders did this off-season.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Silver n Smac – Normally I would agree with you, but Cable truly is awful. He doesn’t bench the guys that are dropping balls or causing penalties. So your point is mute. If he were, fine. But he’s NOT.
He doesn’t understand his own team for Pete’s sake. He needs a vet team that can do it all NOW. He’s trying to jump from A to C without taking any intermediate steps. Totally killing the team.
The last thing I wanted was another HC. From the start I thought Cable was no good, but held out hope. I’m done hoping. The guy is really not good. Him and is assistance are terrible. Do you see the product on the field? And they trot that sht out there every damn Sunday.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:38 am
You’re all gonna sit here and say the same crap about whoever coaches this team.
It’s time to clue up to the fact that until players on this team MAKE the big play, we will keep losing.
Chris Johnson: Instead of yackin’ about going 8-0 the rest of the season, how about making that pick-6 that would have won the game for us? MAKE the damned play dude! Stop talkin’ about it. Do it.
DHB: Relax man. It’s just football, the game you love. Chill out and MAKE the damned play.
NAMDI: Quit reading your press clippings and play ball. Don’t ALMOST recover the fumble that lands right in your chest. MAKE the damned play.
JAMARCUS: See DHB comments.
Bottom Line: Players: MAKE the freakin’ plays and we’re not sitting here whining about the coach and the play-calling.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:39 am
jhill Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Chris,
The point is why break out the wildhog in the 9th game of the season?
A: MCFADDEN WAS OUT AND THE OFFENSE HAS BEEN PUTRID. TRYING TO SHAKE THINGS UP AND GIVE THE CHIEFS SOMETHING THEY HAVEN’T SEEN ON TAPE.
Why not just give the ball right back to Bush?
A: I AGREE. IT WAS PROBABLY PRE-PLANNED THAT THEY WOULD GO HOGGIN’ ON THEIR 2ND DRIVE.
Why not just start Gradkowski coming out of the bye week?
A: I AGREE. MAYBE AL WOULDN’T GIVE THE GREEN LIGHT.
WTF is Cable’s plan?
A: TO SOMEHOW NOT GET FIRED (FOR CAUSE). THAT’S WHY I THINK HE DEFINITELY GOES WITH GRADKOWSKI IF AL OK’s IT SINCE HE’S REALLY GOT NOTHING TO LOSE AT THIS POINT AND HAS TO THROW A COACHING HAIL MARY.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Who the hell is Sanjay Lal? I’ve never heard of him until this season. I know he’s not dropping balls every weekend, but it seems to me as if he’s not doing a very good job coaching. This whole damn staff needs to get the fk’n boot!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I’ll let you all continue on the obvious blame for the players that you think are holding the team back from any hope of winning.
I’m going to at least post a positive comment on some players that don’t throw or catch the football.
Mattt Shaughnessey is the real deal. I was at the game and he is starting to dominate. The young man needs a year of weight training and some technique to his position. He is holding the point of attack, and is a better pass rusher since camp opened in July. Big improvement for the Defensive line. Matt Shaughnessey can dominate, it’s the work and time for this player.
Tyvon Branch has been discussed, not to the degree he should have been. Tyvon tackles well, improved from last year, his cover skills are excellent and he is playing up to a high standard from last year.
Tyvon can read defenses and understands what the team is asking him to cover and compete at that position.
Tyvon is still a gunner on punt returns also, and is excellent there to.
Brandon Myers who was not activated for the first four games is a good blocker and receiver. Watching him on our running plays he has been able to lead on the point of attack and runs better routes than most would have guessed. Plays great special teams. Myers is on the field, Zach Miller has been doubled by most teams, unless Myers is on the field. Zach Miller is free to pass protect less and has been in the pass pattern more often.
Desmond Bryant needs to gain weight through lifting weights. Bryant can hold the point of attack, and is a very good pass rusher from the Defensive tackle position. Looks to be wearing down and the off season weight conditioning should help improve his time on the field. My impressions are he is very similar to Richard Seymour, with his determination and never give up attitude.
Mike Mitchell is always looking to hit somebody. He is fun to watch on special teams. He is advertised as this blog commented about last spring. The Raiders currently interchange their safetys. I hope he is ready to play more next year, his physical nature in the box or the strong safety will be a better physical presence we desperately need.
I’ll let you guys continue to shout out you hatred for the others, but some players are playing better than some of you thought.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Silver – You are missing the whole point. What you saw Sunday was a HC that sold out his QB. That just crosses the line.
All of you complaining about JR accuracy …well this game you can shove it. Lets do the math here: 9/24, 8-10 dropped passes, 9+8=17 … 17/24 = 71% MINIMUM completion percentage!
And the HC benches the QB for what he called 2 bad reads? WHAT THE FK!!! 2 BAD READS? The whole damn game? You’ve got to be joking.
Yet the players dropping the balls: Murphy, DMC, DHB, Lawton, etc are not the ones being scolded. Its the QB?
For me, that just crosses the line. He made the QB the scapegoat for the TEAMS’ failures. And TEAMS’ failures directly implicates the coaches (not just the players). But by him pulling JR he puts it squarely on him. Give me a break!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
I watched DHB quit alot yeseterday, and not only did he drop passes, but I noticed that he has great difficulty getting seperation off the line. DB’s jamm him up all day.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
4 Jmac coming into training camp fat,lazy and out of shape,he gets what he gets and deserves it,imo
November 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Terrapin:
The thing is that all the skill players on this team are so young. We’re screwing ourselves by starting them all at the same time, but, I think the philosophy is that we’re gonna be that much better for it next season.
Trust me – as a paying fan who sits in that stadium and repeatedly watches guys dropping balls or throwing bad passes, it’s maddening.
But, I really do like these young guys. And if they develop like I think they will, we can have a great team for a long time. At this point, it makes no sense to play guys like Walker. The season is already lost.
So just keep playing the young dudes all the way until the end. I need to know by season’s end, if Jamarcus can play this game or not.
I will never know that if he rides the pine.
I don’t think Cable is a bad coach. Your arguments definitely outweigh mine in terms of facts.
But, I’ve seen all this too many times, and these players take advantage of the fact that they know the Coach is only a temporary plug-in.
I say keep the coach, keep the QB coach, keep the whole damned staff and gain some stability in the organization. It’s something we haven’t done. Why not try it for a change?
Add some good O-Lineman, add another year of experience to this young group.
I know it sucks watching it now. But, imagine a young Raider team with some stability.
We’ve never seen that. I wanna see it.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:50 am
sell Jmacs azz out in front of the whole world…like he sold out the team 4 not being mentally prepared this WHOLE dam season
November 16th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Cable has this team pointed in the wrong direction…he took a bad team and made it worse. He has lorded over some of the most embarrassing losses in Raiders’ history…all in only 21 games!
I used to feel bad for the guy because he seemed like a nice guy caught in a bad situation…but it turns out that not only is he a miserable failure as a HC, he is also not a very good person…I can’t wait to see this POS get fired.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Terrapin:
I totally agree with you about benching Jamarcus yesterday.
I was pissed. I’ve probably been Jamarcus’ biggest supporter. I saw all those drops in person and was thinking the same thing you were.
Me and the guys around me were like “What the hell, why is the QB being the scapegoat in a 3-point ball game?”
This was one game that Jamarcus was NOT the problem.
With that being said, I think Cable was just pissed at the last 2 passes he threw, along with not seeing some wide open receivers (which I did see) throughout the game.
Still, I agree with your point. But, I don’t think it’s ground for firing a coach.
He was looking for a spark. The quickest way to get that is not by benching a receiver. It’s by benching the QB.
I don’t agree with it at all. But, that’s what happened on Sunday.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:52 am
TRUE STORY no BS
A friend of mine was getting a hair cut and happened to run into Michael Bush. They talked a little Raider football and Bush was asked about the JRuss situation. Bush responded, by saying that JRuss is just too over weight.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Fire cable after you fire everyone in alameda and rebuild this whole thing from the top down…
November 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
O-LINE IS NOT THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
But, I really do like these young guys. And if they develop like I think they will, we can have a great team for a long time. At this point, it makes no sense to play guys like Walker. The season is already lost.
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You say you don’t think a coaching change is necessary, and yet you think the young players are going to develop to make this team good? You have to be kidding! What makes you think Cable can make these players get better? All the evidence point to the contrary. The only hope for these young players is to get the Clueless Buffoon out ASAP and get someone put in place that at least has a clue on how to develop players.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Him being overweight proves what most have been saying.
How the f@CK are you the starting QB, and be overweight? Black ryan Leaf is not a leader of men. He is an overweight slob that is not dedicated to this team….
November 16th, 2009 at 9:56 am
I guess those last 2 passes by Jmac were the straws that broke cables jaw…or back
November 16th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Dakota & Terrapin:
Take any coach in the league and hand them what Cable was handed:
1. A young QB who clearly is not fully ready to succeed yet, neither mentally, nor physically.
2. A never-healthy, nor very talented O-Line.
3. A handful of absolutely inexperience wide receivers.
4. 3 great running backs.
O.K. – so take Item #4. We know that’s a strength. As Jerry has pointed out, the Raiders still run the ball way more than most losing teams do, despite poor O-Line play.
So now tell me: What exactly would another coach do with items #1 through #3, knowing full well that the owner wants to develop that talent?
Please answer that question.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Al Davis drafted:
JaMarcus Russell
Darren McFadden
DHB
THEY ALL SUCK! I’m tired of booing the players. DUMP DAVIS!
http://evoltees.com/savethenation.html
November 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
The inept front office in alameda is resposible for the debacle… 80 year old man thinks he is the franchise…..
November 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
SNS
Imagine what a coach like Shanny would do w/ our RB’s. I’m pretty sure things would be looking a lot better than they are right now w/ Cable running the show.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
I can just see AD looking at the game film in blk&white
on his Bell and Howell Super 8 mm Projector with a movie screen. Isolated shots with his Kodak Brownie Camera.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Dakota:
Come on man. Are you kidding?
You expect the HEAD COACH to make players better?
Have you heard of position coaches?
That’s their job, not the head coach’s.
And more than that, young players can only get better when they keep PLAYING.
If you give up on young players with potential, then you’re doing yourself a disservice.
Did you hear what I said about Kenny Stabler not starting until year #5?
What part of that don’t you get?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:01 am
By Joan Biskupic, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday spurned without comment an appeal by Native Americans challenging the Washington Redskins’ team name as perpetuating offensive stereotypes.
“For almost 40 years the Native American community has sought to retire Pro-Football’s ‘Redskins’ trademark,” the National Congress of American Indians, backing the individual challengers, had told the court. “The mark is patently offensive, disparaging, and demeaning and perpetrates a centuries-old stereotype.”
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kill kill kill the white man
November 16th, 2009 at 10:02 am
# DMAC Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
SNS
Imagine what a coach like Shanny would do w/ our RB’s. I’m pretty sure things would be looking a lot better than they are right now w/ Cable running the show.
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D-MAC:
Shannahan had NOTHING to do with Denver’s zone-blocking scheme.
Tom Cable was KNOW for his greta zone-blocking scheme.
If anyone knows how to run the football, it’s Cable.
Did you notice the 180-plus yards rushing yesterday?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Typing too fast! Meant to say Cable was known for his great zone blocking schemes!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Against the Chiefs.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
man, everyone save 4 lechler on this team blows. all of them. its embarassing to be a fan of this team. how can you be a wr in the nfl and not be able to catch. u guys hear the announcer say jlh musta jammed a finger and thats why he dropped the pass. wtf. also, our return game sux. higgins runs backwards and if holland was any slower he’d be going backwards. morrison blows goats. no awareness. murphy, luke lawton, dhbust. mctrippedoverhashmarks, all of em. i compare al davis to garbage, cuz it too stinks when it get old. every yr 400 plus dollars for sunday ticket, superfan. 4 what? this? the local pop warner team plays better than these goofs. this whole team sux. coaching as well. and wtf is eugene doing on the field?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Dakota:
Come on man. Are you kidding?
You expect the HEAD COACH to make players better?
Have you heard of position coaches?
That’s their job, not the head coach’s.
And more than that, young players can only get better when they keep PLAYING.
If you give up on young players with potential, then you’re doing yourself a disservice.
Did you hear what I said about Kenny Stabler not starting until year #5?
What part of that don’t you get?
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You just think Cable is the victim of position coaches?
LMAO
November 16th, 2009 at 10:05 am
So you’ll stick w/ Cable if there was an opportunity to hire Shanny?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:07 am
shannahan is owed money, loved beating the hell out of the raiders, what makes you think he would even etertain coming to the raiders?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Shanny will land in Dallas or Washington…certainly not Oakland.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Just throwing out a HC name.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am
no one of quality will come here until we restructure the organization. the organization is the bain of the franchises exestence….
November 16th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I know it will never happen.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Just like I think Marty is a good coach, but it will never happen either.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:10 am
You have excellent blue prints on successful organizations and how they are run. Copy one, or take pieces from them all… Fix the Org and everything will fall into place, but it all starts at the top….
November 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I don’t wish death on no one, but until AL passes or he finally gives it up, things will be the same for years to come.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:14 am
i believe coaching is a major problem. do u see how confused these guys are every defensive play. guys have no fuggin idea what their assignments are. lost. just lost. id give anything just to whack a few of these fools in the face with a shovel. and the last 3 weeks or so, wtf is miller doing in the back field pass blocking? our most effective pass catcher and 50% of the time, he’s in the backfield blocking. genius. could these guys get any more stupid?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:14 am
DMAC Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I don’t wish death on no one, but until AL passes or he finally gives it up, things will be the same for years to come.
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good word….agreed
November 16th, 2009 at 10:14 am
There are only a few coaches who I’d dump Cable for at this point. As I said, we need stability, not constant change.
1. Chucky
2. Andy Reid (assuming they ultimately fire him)
3. Mike Holmgren
Shannahan? I think he looks like a rat and I just don’t like him. But he’s a smart football mind, and if him and Al did a few shots of koolaid together and made up, then fine. But, why are we even talking about Shannahan? That ain’t happening.
Bill Cower? Hell no. I think his constant Raider-bashing is beyond professional analysis. You just don’t ridicule franchises with proud traditions like that. This ain’t the Lions or Bengals. Do your job, but, show some respect while doing it.
Can’t think of too many other candidates that would make me believe anything would be different than it is right now.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Do the Raiders have a track record of developing good Quarterbacks?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Do Dakota:
You’re telling me Cable should be developing the players?
On top of being the head coach that oversees everything, he’s supposed to teach Murphy how to catch the ball?
He’s supposed to teach Chris Johnson how to catch a pick-6 that hit’s him square in both hands?
Yeah man. You’re right. It’s all on the head coach.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I know most guys here are Laker fans, but not I. Warriors trade Captain Jack and Acie Law to the Bobcats for Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmonivic.
LMAO
Thats what that punk Jackson gets. He wanted to get traded and got his wish.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
With the 1st pick in the 2010 draft, the Oakland Raiders of the City of Industry select USAIN LIGHTNING BOLT WORLD’S FASTEST MAN!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Look, it is obvious that Al has fuked this entire thing up, but Al isn’t going anywhere.
Our only hope is that Al fires Cable and then somehow pulls another Gruden or Shanny type of coach out of his hat….I know it is a long shot given the current mind set about the Raiders around the NFL and in the college ranks, but better than just giving up and leaving the Wife Beating Buffoon in charge.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:18 am
i believe coaching is a major problem. do u see how confused these guys are every defensive play. guys have no fuggin idea what their assignments are. lost.
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I must of saw Routt ask Nnamdi at least 3 times what the hell the D play was or where to lineup at.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:19 am
JaMarcus Russell
Darren McFadden
Darrius Heyward Bey
Not even Al Davis could draft 3 Busts in a row in the Top 7.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:19 am
# KoolKell Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Do the Raiders have a track record of developing good Quarterbacks?
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KoolKell: What kind of question is this?
The answer is no. So what? It’s not relevant. They went and got Jamarcus the best QB coach in football (Paul Hackett). Hackett coached Gannon & Montana.
How much of a better development could they have provided (coaching wise)?
Plain and simple: Jamarcus has gone backwards because he has 2 rookie receivers who simply are not ready yet.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:21 am
any punter with a great 40 time would be the ideal pick. im tired of the damn lechler making everyone else look as tho they cant do their job
November 16th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Look, it is obvious that Al has fuked this entire thing up, but Al isn’t going anywhere.
Our only hope is that Al fires Cable and then somehow pulls another Gruden or Shanny type of coach out of his hat…
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BS Dakota. Al Davis is outta here.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:24 am
dmac, none of them aside from aso know where to line up. morrison and howard always bumping into eachother running around trying to cover the other teams best wr. huff although he has been playing pretty well, is also lost. constantly has to be told where to go. why?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:24 am
WTF is up w/ JLH? That dude never recovered from that hit in week 1. He is horrible this year returning punts. Chit uncle Al could pay me $500,000 a year to catch punts and run foward until I get blasted off my feet!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Do Dakota:
You’re telling me Cable should be developing the players?
On top of being the head coach that oversees everything, he’s supposed to teach Murphy how to catch the ball?
He’s supposed to teach Chris Johnson how to catch a pick-6 that hit’s him square in both hands?
Yeah man. You’re right. It’s all on the head coach.
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Look the word responsibility up in the dictionary…the HC is responsible for the development and direction of the team. What don’t you understand about that? That is why Cable makes the big bucks.
He is responsible for taking note of the fact that the WRs and QB are not developing and then he should act to correct those issues. Cable is obviously incapable of doing those things…unless of course you think his “We just have to go back to work tomorrow and prepare for (insert next team name here)” philosophy is working, lol.
You really think a legit HC would not make adjustments after 9 games of this BS?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Good morning Nation!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:27 am
McFadden gets 4 carries.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:28 am
No our only hope is if Mr. Davis fires himself, and take trask herrera taylor, lackeys, bootlicks, hangers on etc with him…
November 16th, 2009 at 10:28 am
You get a legit HC when the org is legit….
November 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
dmac, when do you see jlh field a punt and run forward til he’s blasted? i see him run sideways and backwards til he’s blasted. NEVER forward
November 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I am still scratching my head as to why we didn’t run the ball more with Michael Bush. He looked awful good yesterday.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:30 am
It’s called Preperation!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I said ME!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Thats what I’ll bring to the table. Just run foward.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:35 am
64 Total plays, 31 rushing plays. McFadden gets 4 carries.
They’ve been trying to force the WR’s all year. Davis needs Bey to look good.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Dakota,
Check out Artest chucking Ariza’s shoe. lol
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Video-Ron-Artest-tosses-aside-Trevor-Ariza-s-sh?urn=nba,202767
November 16th, 2009 at 10:38 am
and the punt that looked like jlh had room, he lets bounce 3 yrds behind him. musta lost the ball in the lights. lmfao. jlh is just another reason we suck
November 16th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Cable on Sunday: Hmmm, we have no passing game and our running game is working…so lets keep passing that ball!
Yes…fire Cable
November 16th, 2009 at 10:40 am
i must go guys. im starting to have flashbacks of yesterdays game. i must smoke some hippie lettuce asap
November 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I am watching the highlights Dallas vs Packers, Charles Woodson is one of the best in the business, I wish Al kept him and paid him instead of paying and drafting bust like Buchanon. Even he grew old we could switch him to the safety position, Woodson is a rare breed of cornors and he is proving it in Packers uniform instead of Raiders, I still have a Raider jersey with Charles woodson number 24.
Guys please sign the petition I was suprised only 7000 ppl signed it, r u guys serious?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:42 am
make the world a better PLACE. punch tom cable in the FACE
November 16th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Russell’s 52-yard pass hit Heyward-Bey right in the gut at the Chiefs’ 5. This was the connection Davis dreamed of on draft days since his birth in 1929. But something went terribly wrong: Pass incomplete. Baaahaaaahaaaa.
Had it been caught, “it’s a totally different game,” Russell said.”
November 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I’LL SIGN ANY PETITION. WHERES IT AT 4EVE?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:44 am
call me crazy, but i dont think dhbobble knows how to catch
November 16th, 2009 at 10:45 am
exla…that was funny…ron ron knows what just win baby means lol
November 16th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Larry Johnson signed with the Bungholes…just in time to help them kick our asses next week.
yippie
November 16th, 2009 at 10:47 am
We need some fk’n stickem!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:48 am
k guys im out. i leave you all with the three words we all need to say and hear at least once a day. the most important 3 words in the world. STAY THE COURSE.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Bush get 14 carries for 119.
McFadden gets 4 carries.
But Al Davis insists on getting the ball to Heyward-Bey.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Did Al try to keep Woodson but Woodson just wanted out of the madness so bad that he refused a Raiders contract, or did Al just choose to let Woodson go after the injuries and lost seasons?
Whatever the case might be, we would certainly have been better with Woodson than without Woodson.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Dakota:
O.K., so since you’ve got this all figured out, please list your 2009 Oakland Raiders starting line-up for me.
Apparently, there are some great, radical options available on the roster.
Please break it down for us. Who’re you playing Dakota?
And explain how differently they would be “developed”.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Woodson’s a great corner.
Although, I find it comical how so many of you in here rip & bash Jamarcus on his work ethic when Woodson was known for his notorious horrible work ethic.
Woodson was lazy in practice but showed up on Game day.
So enough with the hypocracy.
The bottom line is, play well on Sundays. Until Jamarcus does that, I guess y’all will continue to dwell on his “work ethic”.
Like any of you really know what he does or does not do all week long.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:53 am
“The Raiders’ latest exhibition of self-hatred, a 16-10 loss to the equally young and defective Kansas City Chiefs before more than 20,000 empty seats Sunday at the Coliseum, captured in full a team caught in a web of despair, operating under a thin and paralyzed management and an increasingly distant or uninterested ownership.
In between, we find a coaching staff completely bereft of answers.”
November 16th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Woodson=showed up on Sundays
JRuss=???????? Chit I don’t know what elese to say
November 16th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I am telling you DHB must be mentally retarded. Even Jessica Simpson knows that WRs need to catch the ball with their hands and not try to catch the ball by allowing it into the chest…yet he still holds his hand three feet apart and allows the ball into his body. He is a fuktard!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Dakota:
O.K., so since you’ve got this all figured out, please list your 2009 Oakland Raiders starting line-up for me.
Apparently, there are some great, radical options available on the roster.
Please break it down for us. Who’re you playing Dakota?
And explain how differently they would be “developed”.
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Pay me Tom Cable’s salary and I will do that for you dipschit.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am
I agree, but the bottom line is DHB didn’t choose to come to the Raiders, it was Al’s pick. Let’s blame Al, not DHB.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am
# KoolKell Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:53 am
“The Raiders’ latest exhibition of self-hatred, a 16-10 loss to the equally young and defective Kansas City Chiefs before more than 20,000 empty seats Sunday at the Coliseum, captured in full a team caught in a web of despair, operating under a thin and paralyzed management and an increasingly distant or uninterested ownership.
In between, we find a coaching staff completely bereft of answers.”
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Uh. . . .
So. . . .
What’s the point? Do these comments make you feel good or something?
You post it here to accomplish what exactly?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am
“Cable in the second quarter called for a play sending rookie sprinter Darrius Heyward-Bey deep downfield. The wideout has been a monumental bust partly because he has had few opportunities but mostly because he has squandered those he’s been given.
As if on cue, Heyward-Bey dropped a gorgeous second-quarter pass near the goal line. He then disappeared until the final, desperate seconds — when he reappeared and killed Oakland’s last chance by bobbling another perfect pass. Chiefs safety Mike Brown cruised over to grab it out of midair.
Cable was trying to deliver exactly what he knows his boss wants — probably demands — and got scorched.”
November 16th, 2009 at 10:57 am
No Dakota:
That’s a brainless, gutless response.
Tell me who your freakin’ starting line-up would be.
You seem to really know your football.
So, tell us all.
You seem to have no problem typing. Hell you play Mr. Comedian in here all the time.
So why don’t you take 30 seconds and list 22 players for me. Can’t possibly take you THAT much time.
Dipschit.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:58 am
The coach began by trying JaMarcus Russell at quarterback. Again. Russell, who has started every game, responded with an effort surely no worse than those submitted throughout most of this season but would have done better if not for at least eight dropped passes.
Agitated by several wildly errant throws by Russell, who missed open receivers no fewer than five times, Cable in the third quarter turned to backup Bruce Gradkowski, who was welcomed with cheers but threw two interceptions in nine passes.
So the results were basically the same. Each quarterback was bad and each was victimized by a Heyward-Bey drop that could have had a profound effect on the game.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Call me stupid.
That’s fine.
OK Silver-nSmac – YOU ARE STUPID!!!!!
No disrespect you set yourself up for that one : )
I don’t think you are stupid I just think loosing causes us all to go away to la la land in hopes of a better day. I HATE THIS TEAM!
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Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Guys:
I know my words sound hollow right now, but, as I’ve said before – this team does NOT need another head coach.
Only by sticking with Cable will the message be made loud and clear to the players on this team that THEY need to perform better.
The message needs to be: If you keep dropping the damned ball, you’re gonna get benched or cut.
The message needs to be: If you keep throwing bad passes, you’re gonna get benched or cut.
The message needs to be: The coach is here to stay, so put up or shut up.
Only by sticking with Cable will the mentality of this team begin to change. If even half of those balls were caught yesterday, the result would have been a victory for the Raiders, a pretty good game for Jamarcus and possibly touchdowns for Murphy and DHB. And you wouldn’t be yackin’ about firing Cable.
Boo the coach. Boo the QB. These are the easiest things for fans to do.
I call it fickle.
7 years of losing is NOT Cable’s fault.
And 7 years of losing is NOT Jamarcus’ fault.
As far as I’m concerned, the 5 years previous to Jamarcus’ rookie year mean NOTHING.
Have some freakin’ patience. Kenny Stabler did not even START until his 5th season in the league!!!!!!
To not play Jamarcus the rest of this year would be the stupidest thing the Raiders can do. We’re not going to the playoffs, so as a fan, I need to know who my QB is going to be next year, by the end of THIS year. And if you sit Russell down, you’re not making that possible.
I look at DHB and Murphy & Jamarcus & D-Mac, and contrary to most of you, I see four guys that WILL be good players. They’re not now, but, they will be.
Call me stupid.
That’s fine.
But I will also appreciate the wait, that much more, when they succeed.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:01 am
I forgot how that first int. occured.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:01 am
By the way who thinks Cable is a good coach?
November 16th, 2009 at 11:02 am
If you’re gonna sit here and constantly bag on the head coach, then at least state exactly what you would do differently, in detail.
Otherwise, your comments are nothing but arm-chair QB B.S. that comes from the typical NFL fan.
Like all this is so easy anyone can do it.
You’re right Dakota: There’s a reason fools like you are NOT paid to do Cable’s job.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:03 am
‘The Raiders organization was, once again, victimized by its tendency to fail largely on the basis of decisions made for reasons seemingly unrelated to assembling a thriving football franchise.
Cable has been vocal in his support of and confidence in Heyward-Bey, perhaps because the No. 1 draft pick is widely known to have been identified and selected by Davis. Though DHB has rewarded his enablers with consistently poor production, he has remained a starter.
But that’s the way this franchise rolls. It’s as if the employees are standing outside their own burning building expecting the fire to extinguish itself.”
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I see Monte Poole agrees with me.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:06 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Call me stupid.
That’s fine.
OK Silver-nSmac – YOU ARE STUPID!!!!!
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Whatever dude. That’s fine.
Hope you feel better now.
If we had a bunch of veterans on this team, I’d be frustrated as hell right now.
The fact is, we don’t. we have a bunch of kids running around out there who DO have talent, but, not enough experience right now.
If you don’t see it. . . . . .
Oh well. I’m not gonna sit here and kiss all your asses while you constantly crap on this team, without any foresight to realize that with experience (good and bad) comes success.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Koolkell says:
I see Monte Poole agrees with me.
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O.K., so if DHB continues to take his lumps this year, and ends up being a damned good receiver next year or the year after, then what?
Then what?
Same for Murphy, same for Jamarcus?
Then what?
I don’t give a rat’s ass if Monte Poole agrees or not.
He’s a freakin’ rookie receiver. He’s been thrown into the fire, for better or worse.
That doesn’t mean he won’t succeed.
Unless you’ve got a freakin’ crystal ball inside your head, none of you can predict how any of these kids will turn out.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Silver Smac
This is a blog to comment about the Oakland Raiders. The commentators in here have opinions only and hope most of them are right. To ask Dakota for his starting line up is like asking me to be Al Davis. I could never be that person. I dont know the information or access to information he has to the decisions he has made.
I know Dakota, he is frustrated and has been told to be patient to long. The product on the field is underutilized to some degree. The players as much as they say to the press is not committed, not all, but many. The culture of losing will never change until you have a plan and the coaches who totally believe in that plan.
The plan is what I question. Why is the people who frequent this blog have and see a fat QB, but the boss does not. His ability to move and play has this team losing, with no commitment to be seen.
No coach who has any smarts is not going to play any player, because it’s what he is supposed to do.
Any coach who has any rhinestones will play the players who work and our committed to win.
Davis should have alluded to the fans and media in his own unabashed way and let us know all the kids were to play and we’re going to have a terrible year.
I know now why he chose to give New England the 2011 draft pick, not the 2010 pick.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:02 am
If you’re gonna sit here and constantly bag on the head coach, then at least state exactly what you would do differently, in detail.
Otherwise, your comments are nothing but arm-chair QB B.S. that comes from the typical NFL fan.
Like all this is so easy anyone can do it.
You’re right Dakota: There’s a reason fools like you are NOT paid to do Cable’s job.
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lol, no I know I couldn’t do a better job than Cable, and yet I know there are qualified HCs out there that could and would do a better job than Cable. It is called common sense. If you want to just sit back and eat the schit Cable is dishing out on a weekly basis and simply support it just because Cable is the coach and you are not, then that is your prerogative.
Only a brain dead moron can’t see that this team in not prepared on a weekly basis and that the highly drafted players are devolving under Cable’s leadership.
Do you seriously believe that Cable is doing a good job? lmao
Just because you choose to put your head up your ass and take it, doesn’t mean that the rest of us can’t call a spade a spade.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Cable needs to stick w/ coaching the O-line, and that’s about it.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Looks like some of you can stop dreaming..
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/11/16/gruden-signs-exclusive-extension-with-espn/
November 16th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Dakota:
Once again. If it’s so “common sense”, then ANYONE should be able to list who the starting 22 players should be in order to put the best team on the field.
You make it seem as though Cable has so many other options.
If it’s so freakin’ common sense, then spell out your roster dude.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I agree we need to keep Cable. The Raiders need some stability. I don’t think Jamarcus or DHB, and Murphy are bust. I think we need to be patient with them. I know our society and especially football is a what have you done for me lately mentality. But, that’s not how you develop a team. This team hasn’t had the same coaching philosophy from the coaching staff for over 8 years. It’s going to take patience and time to get the Raiders going in the right direction.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Does anybody know how much guaranteed money JaWalrus has left to receive? With next year not having a salary cap, we could be in a situation to force him to renegotiate his contract if his guaranteed money is almost gone. If he doesnt want to renegotiate, we can just cut him and he will get nowhere close to this renegotiated amount on the open market.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Rsider Dell:
You’re absolutely right. These are all opinions, and we’re all entitled to them.
But, when us chumps get on here and call for a man’s job, then at least have the balls to spell out what you would do differently.
I asked Dakota a simple freakin’ question and apparently none of you can answer it.
O.K., you wana bench your “fat QB”? Fine. So, now you’re telling me your best chance to succeed is with Bruce G.???? Really?
Wow. So, you don’t think it’s better to play the dude you’ve invested $30-plus million in for at least the remainder of the year, so that you can intelligently decide to part ways or not after this season?
And do you really believe Tom Cable has the authority to sit J-Russ or DHB down for the remainder of the year?
If you do, you’re fooling yourself.
And this is coming from a big supporter of Al Davis.
I respect Al a ton, but, I don’t he gives his coaches a fair enough chance to succeed. That’s one reason I don’t agree with the assessments you guys make of Cable.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
# Ghost to the Post Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I agree we need to keep Cable. The Raiders need some stability. I don’t think Jamarcus or DHB, and Murphy are bust. I think we need to be patient with them. I know our society and especially football is a what have you done for me lately mentality. But, that’s not how you develop a team. This team hasn’t had the same coaching philosophy from the coaching staff for over 8 years. It’s going to take patience and time to get the Raiders going in the right direction.
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Ghost:
Sorry man – that made way too much sense for this board. You’re reaching out to deaf ears.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Silver-n-smac,
You just don’t get it do you? It is not about naming 22 starters; it is about getting the team ready and prepared for every game and developing the players. Cable is failing miserably at that job.
I am saying that another NFL HC would do a better job, not that I can do Cable’s job. Do you understand that?
November 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Cable needs to coach the O-line and thats it.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:21 am
I see no PREPERATION from caoch Cable.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Blaming Cable and players is useless.
Al Davis is the boss.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Cable pulled JaMarcus yesterday because he buckled to the “Russell sucks” chants. Good thing too cuz Gradkowski came in and promptly threw 2 interceptions in 9 attempts, what a better option he was.
Dakota is right, Cable needs to be demoted and the Raiders need a HC with actual Professional Head Coaching experience.
I have never seen so many dropped passes as I did yesterday. Plus, once again, the officiating was very suspect. I cointinually saw holding at the point of attack by the Chiefs yet only 1 holding call all day! Meanwhile the Raiders were getting called for sneezing in the neautral zone.
There are just too many variables that contribute to this nightmare.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Raider Dell
here’s a music trivia question 
for you 
What late 60’s rock band did BHP 
(we all know what those intials stand for ) 
play for 
November 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
To me, if Al Davis keeps Cable around next year, he says 2 things loud & clear:
1. It was my decision to play all the young guys and to stick with them in 2009. The head coach is NOT why we lost games.
2. Contrary to popular belief, I do respect this coach and I’m keeping him around. So if you’re a player, don’t think your job is as safe as you think it is.
This may be my personal pipe dream. But, that’s what I believe Al should do.
He’s laid this foundation of young offensive players. He’s chosen to live & die with them. So, don’t blame the coach and ride this out until those players at least have a chance to develop.
And at that time, if it still ain’t happening on Sundays, then at least you can start to point towards the head coach.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
KK,
I agree, certainly Cable is nothing more than a symptom of a deeper problem…that problem being Al Davis…but I don’t think Al will be firing himself in December…
…but something has to change and that is Tom Cable…a man that never should have been an NFL HC in the first place.
Yes, he is just another Al Davis mistake, but that doesn’t mean the mistake shouldn’t be corrected. Another year of Tom Cable gets us NOWHERE. The man doesn’t have the slightest idea on how to correct the course of this team…and a summer of booger eating by Cable isn’t going to suddenly change that fact in 2010.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I rather see M. Vick start for us than Jadeadly.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:29 am
KK
Cable isn’t to blame, but he is a big part of the problem. His play calling is suspect at best. I get to the game, second play of the game Michael Bush breaks off a 60 yard run. Then Cable just forgets about Bush until the 3rd quarter, constantly throwing on 1st down or handing it off to Fargas? That’s not Al Davis, that’s the play calling.
If Al Davis was a distant memory Cable’s play calling would still be suspect.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:29 am
djohnnyg: “Al Davis is no doubt staying up late scouring the internet looking to sue somebody who dares to be critical of his POS franchise”
Thats funny. See, Al Davis is dedicated to tools such as abacus and morris code transmitters. I heard he will use the pony express if he can find a pony that has a good enough 40 time.
As I type this I recal teh circa 1980’s overhead projector fromt eh Lance PR….too funny, there is actually some truth in this joke.
What a farking joke this whole organization is.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Tom Cable will be the new O-Line Coach/Offensive assistant for the Tennessee Vols this time next year…
November 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Exactly Dogg.
Hey…did you put a jinx on my Lakers?
November 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Who are Al’s direct reports? Freaking everyone. Classic organizational structure problem here. Everyone thinks they are second in command and the boss is not managing, hes mingeling.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Silver-n-smac,
You just don’t get it do you? It is not about naming 22 starters; it is about getting the team ready and prepared for every game and developing the players. Cable is failing miserably at that job.
I am saying that another NFL HC would do a better job, not that I can do Cable’s job. Do you understand that?
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Dakota:
Please explain the better preparation you’re referring to.
So, a better coach would do WHAT exactly to have this young team prepared?
More spaghetti for DHB the night before?
Run a few more laps for Murphy in practice?
Scream at Jamarcus a little more in practice?
A few more Rah-Rah speaches?
Slap some fines around? J-Russ – I’m fining your $1000 for every pound you’re overweight?
Never throw that ball when the running game is going well? Just keep on running, all game long?
(Hint,Hint: When the running game is going so well, that’s the whole reason to play-action pass).
I guess Mike Shannahan would have poured glue all over DHB’s body to make him catch the ball?
Oh, that’s right – that would be the receiver coach’s job.
Let’s send Sanjay some Elmer’s immediately.
Sorry man –
It is YOU who doesn’t get it. I agree with you that Coaches can make a difference in football.
But at the pro level, there is only so much difference they can make. How many different ways can I express that no matter who the coach is this is a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY young team.
Any coach would be having to deal with that.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Silver Smac
I’ll try to answer. Most of the comments in the blog are short/with a sole purpose to make a quick point.
Your question has so many variables to your answer you seek from me or Dakota. I’ll stick my neck out. I have been going to the games since they came back from So Cal.
My starters are based on the current team, were 2-7 with this team. Your question should be then “who should be starting that currently is not”
Let me start with the QB. Cable received the job offer in February. He had to have mtgs with Jamarcus during that time before or after the hiring. He could have seen this fat overweight QB and asked him to get committed, or face some problems. I would have called in Brad Roll to help this QB with a eating and weight program.
Cable should have been insistent to see him in Alameda with Hackett with a program to work on his footwork and other issues he has in the film room.
My first change would be to find a better back up QB to play for Jamarcus and I don’t care if it’s Frye or Grad.
here are my 22 starters
Frye
Henderson, Gallery, Satele, Carlisle, Walker.
Bush, Miller, DMAC, Murphy Schilens, Higgins.
Defense
Ellis, Kelly, Bryant, Seymour
Brown, Howard, Morrisson
Nnamdi, Johnson, Branch, Mitchell.
There’s a few changes, based on down and distance that will change to different players will change and play.
That’s the main 22.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am
id give anything just to whack a few of these fools in the face with a shovel.
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That was HILARIOUS, New England!
November 16th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Dakota and KK you could say the same thing about John Madden, Tom Flores, John Gruden, and even Lane Kiffin before they were hired they were all assitant coaches. None of them had head coaching experience. And Madden and Flores actually had veteran leadership in key roles. You can not say that about todays Raiders. So, to blame Cable is not right.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Cable= No team preperation
There’s one thing to play hard and lose, but to not show up every weekend and get blown out by mediocore teams is something else.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Silver-n-Smac says:
Dakota:
Please explain the better preparation you’re referring to.
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Silver n smac,
I’ll say it once more for you because you obviously rode the short bus to school and I am a patient guy…I personally don’t have the answers because I am not privy to his practices and I am not a football coach…but I am confident a qualified NFL head coach would have this team playing better than Tom Cable has it playing. That is all I am saying. I never said fire Tom Cable and put me in charge…I said fire Tom Cable and get a decent HC.
Do you really think that a qualified NFL HC like, say, Jim Fassel, a man who took the NY Giants to the SB wouldn’t have this team better prepared than Tom Cable?
We can’t just give Cable a pass because Al Davis is a moron.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Exactly Dogg.
Hey…did you put a jinx on my Lakers?”
I have been a little disconnected from basketball, what happened? I did hear this morning that Stephen Jackson and Acie Law were traded to the Charlotte Bobcats for Raja Bell and Vladimir Radmanovich(sp). Good to see the Warriors granted Jackson’s request to be traded to a playoff team! LMAO. I also heard that Don Nelson is seriously considering stepping down as the W’s HC.
So what’s up with the Lakeshow?
November 16th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Raider Dell:
O.K. – so I’m Al Davis:
Example: “No, I want Jamarcus, DHB & Murphy to start. Period.”
O.K.
So, now. . . .You’re Tom Cable. You got an opportunity to coach an NFL team, only 1 of 32 of its kind in the world. And it happens to be for the team you loved growing up.
Your response would be?
“NO”?
That may be the correct response, but, it’s a hell of a lot easier for a schmuck like me to sit here and say that. Come on man. You guys make it seem so easy to just say “screw you Al, I’m doing it my way”
There is a fundamental difference in what Gruden did with the Gannon/Jeff George scenario than what Tom Cable is going through.
Jeff George had already had a career in the NFL and it was clear what he was and was not.
Gruden made a compelling argument to Al, and Al listened. And it worked.
This is different.
Al invested over $30 million in Jamarcus. He has played in roughly 25 whopping football games.
Is it really the intelligent thing to do, to pull the plug on a 24 year old player with immense talent?
Wouldn’t it be more prudent to let him ride out the year and find out, at season’s end, if you think he’s your man or not? Is starting Gradkowski really your answer?
Again, if you’re gonna rip on Cable, put yourself in his shoes right now. Frankly, I think Al’s way is going to work in the long run.
It make look horrible right now, but, I think it’ll work.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Dell
I was very disappointyed to find out that I had lost my job as the musical director at the Coliseum. Please tell me that I have been promoted
November 16th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Go DUBS baby! Good luck getting that championship ring w/ the Bobcats Capt. Jack.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Dogg,
Sadly we lost back to back games to Denver and Houston. Thankfully the Celtics lost back to back games too, lol.
Hey, I like that trade…Jackson is a douche bag…Vlad can drain the three and Bell is a scrappy defender. I think your team will get better now.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dell for Head Coach. He can’t take us any lower than Cable has…
November 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dakota:
I actually walked to school. Yes, this may explain my ineptitude.
Regardless. . . .again. . . .you keep referring to the team not being prepared.
Explain an example of different preparation leading to different results with THIS roster.
If you want to talk scheme (i.e. not blitzing enough, not running enough reverses, etc., etc.) that’s a different topic.
And when it comes to schemes, we know Al has at least some influence in that.
But you keep referring to preparation.
And you haven’t provided one example of how you or a different coach would prepare THIS team differently.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Dogg,
Sadly we lost back to back games to Denver and Houston. Thankfully the Celtics lost back to back games too, lol.
Hey, I like that trade…Jackson is a douche bag…Vlad can drain the three and Bell is a scrappy defender. I think your team will get better now.”
Man I hope so. Hey, the loss to Denver was the 2nd of a back to back right? I wouldn’t sweat that loss, but to lose to Houston is a little concerning. Please don’t tell me that Ariza exacted some kind of revenge…
November 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
A-F-F-L-A-L-O
November 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dell for Head Coach. He can’t take us any lower than Cable has…”
He’s going to need to surround himself with some quality assistants. I am ready for the call. The question is Dakota, are you ready to re-locate to Alameda?
November 16th, 2009 at 11:58 am
I’m hoppin’ on the “short bus” to Lunch!
Talk to you fellas later.
We’re all pissed, frustrated, etc.
It’s all good. At least we’re still breathing.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Have a good day Nation.
I am off to the lake with my son.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
I’ll take the special teams coaching position!
November 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Al Davis drafted:
JaMarcus Russell
Darren McFadden
DHB
THEY ALL SUCK! I’m tired of booing the players. DUMP DAVIS!
http://evoltees.com/savethenation.html
November 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
It’s only a fk’n game, but it hurts!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Go Raiders!!!!! Sometimes I feel like they are going to take my last breath.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Silver and Smac,
Tom Cable is in over his head. As soon as he admits that then he may be able to save his job.
If Davis is mandating that DHB, Russell, and Murphy get the start then so be it. I highly doubt that Davis is mandating the play calling.
DHB should be in the slot, have reverses run for him, and short quick patterns. Not just vertical routes.
Cable should not be calling 4 verticals from our end zone when he says he knows better. Him saying he just wants to be aggressive is a bad move for a HC when you know better. For him to do that in the Denver game, and come right back and do it in the Jets game was ridiculous.
I could go on and on about the mistakes this guy is making. At a minimum, he should NOT be calling plays and wearing all these hats. Hire a real OC and let him call the plays.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Silver Smac
Your point on the current NFL salary is a big reason were in this discussion about playing Jamarcus or sitting him.
I heard on the radio coming back from the game yesterday even George Atkinson remarked that Stabler waited 5 years for his opportunity. The reason was to learn and watch to see the work required, to be the starting QB.
Since were working with the current salary cap, look no further than Tenn. VY sat the remaider of last year and sat for the first 6 games this year. The change so far has been a pleasant surprise. Maybe he finally saw the light.
So Jamarcus plays because he was paid $30 million dollars, I think not. You have to earn playing time with hard work and a commitment.
AL paid the money and drafted Jamarcus. Davis chose the QB and knew from draft reports what type of QB he was drafting.
Cable is following a program that you have commented worked before. Cable having been a fan and watching the Raiders is on board with the decisions AL and Himself have made. So do you convince the owner that his current QB is not mentally prepared and committed right now. I would, and yes risk being fired. You’ll earn more respect, if you advise Davis he needs to sit and work with dedication towards a starting position as the QB of the Raiders.
Be factual, and have a plan in place and have the plan reviewed with a commitment towards improving the play of this young QB.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dakota:
I actually walked to school. Yes, this may explain my ineptitude.
Regardless. . . .again. . . .you keep referring to the team not being prepared.
Explain an example of different preparation leading to different results with THIS roster.
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Do you think Dungy would allow his franchise QB to be 30 lbs overweight and unprepared each week?
Do you think Coach Cowher would allow a WR that can’t catch to start? Or not find a way to get that WRs problem fixed? Cowher would find a new WRs coach.
Do you think Shanny would have allowed Kwame Harris to start over Henderson?
What exactly has Cable done right? This roster isn’t talentless, and yet they have been blown out at least 8 times under Cable, and yet you think he has them prepared to play?
DHB is not getting better. Russell is not getting better. McFadden is not getting better. The o-line is not getting better…Cable is the OC, and we are scoring 10 points a game.
What exactly do you think Cable is doing right? He is not holding the players accountable. He is not adjusting the game plan. He just keeps doing the same things over and over and the results remain the same.
The man had two weeks to prepare for a home game against one of the worst teams in the NFL and what adjustment does he come up with? The wildhog formation! LMFAO It is a joke.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Jhill,
First of all, thank you for doing something that Dakota seems incapable of doing: Answering my question.
And you did it intelligently. Wow, imagine that.
Your point is well taken and is a good example of poor coaching decisions.
But, do you feel there are enough of those to warrant his firing?
I mean, I agree with finding a way to get DHB more involved, but, did we really draft him to run slants?
That’s the answer?
Calling some bad plays should get Cable fired? I actually like a lot of the plays he’s called. If guys actually MADE the plays, we’d be having a different conversation about Cable’s ability, would we not?
Admit that much.
Damn! I’m hungry!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:27 am
KK,
I agree, certainly Cable is nothing more than a symptom of a deeper problem…that problem being Al Davis…but I don’t think Al will be firing himself in December…
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Dakota,
I seriously think otherwise. We’re talking about the survival of the Franchise now. 7 consecutive blackouts in the 5th largest media market in the US is a serious handicap to his NFL Partners.
I really think something has to give in that regard, next year.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jim Fassel and JP Losman in 2010!!!!
In the UFL championship game in a few weeks. Do you think Tom Cable and Jamarcus Russell could lead a team to a UFL championship?
November 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
All man that is pathetic. I am looking at highlights of the game for the Raiders and guess what they did not have any. They had KC get a big run then they had micues and showed all the drop passes. How pathetic.
I guess you “die hard” Al Davis Raider fans who love Al and the Raiders over good football will start saying now there is a conspiracy with NFL Network to make Al Davis and the Raiders look bad. LMAO!!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Dell
I was very disappointyed to find out that I had lost my job as the musical director at the Coliseum. Please tell me that I have been promoted
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Dogg
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November 16th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Vega Raider with some of these LA LA Land fans on this blog anything is possible. LMAO!!!
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vegas raider Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jim Fassel and JP Losman in 2010!!!!
In the UFL championship game in a few weeks. Do you think Tom Cable and Jamarcus Russell could lead a team to a UFL championship?
November 16th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
I hope so KK.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
You nailed it Dakota. I totally agree!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Dakota Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Dell for Head Coach. He can’t take us any lower than Cable has…
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Dakota
I’ll need for my first hire a hot administrative assistant.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RaiderDogg
Monte Poole:
Cable in the second quarter called for a play sending rookie sprinter Darrius Heyward-Bey deep downfield. The wideout has been a monumental bust partly because he has had few opportunities but mostly because he has squandered those he’s been given.
As if on cue, Heyward-Bey dropped a gorgeous second-quarter pass near the goal line. He then disappeared until the final, desperate seconds — when he reappeared and killed Oakland’s last chance by bobbling another perfect pass. Chiefs safety Mike Brown cruised over to grab it out of midair.
Cable was trying to deliver exactly what he knows his boss wants — probably demands — and got scorched.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I wonder when Ice Cube will be doing that documentary showing how hip hop culture was influenced by the Oakland Raiders. Clarify “Gangster Rap was influenced by the Raiders.”
Gangster? LMAO!! This team gets b!t(# slapped more than Cable’s X-Girlfriends. LOL!!!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
“Silver – You are missing the whole point. What you saw Sunday was a HC that sold out his QB. That just crosses the line.
All of you complaining about JR accuracy …well this game you can shove it. Lets do the math here: 9/24, 8-10 dropped passes, 9+8=17 … 17/24 = 71% MINIMUM completion percentage!”
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What game did you watch? Are you serious? Yeah there were some drops, but did you see all his inaccurate passes? He had a F–k load. He can’t throw for sh-t, biggest bust ever.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
O.K.
I give up. You all win.
Fire his ass!
Bring in Bill Cower. Oh that’s right – he wouldn’t come here.
Bring in Gruden. Oh that’s right – he wouldn’t come here.
Shouldn’t we at least have a LEGIT replacement, one that’ll really stick?
Or do you need some instant gratification?
If that’s the case. . . .yeah, fire his ass!
Let’s just bring in anyone! Hell, anyone will do!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Like I been saying since week 1.
Leave Cable alone he’s doing whats he’s told.
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Monte Poole:
Cable was trying to deliver exactly what he knows his boss wants — probably demands — and got scorched.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I heard a interview a couple weeks ago with Brian Billick. He sat down with Al Davis last year and I guess they have some sort of relationship. He kept gushing on how he liked the Raiders and what they once were. Also how he and Al got along. But I also know that Billick is a control freak and I really don’t see it happening unless the emporer changes his ways.
So right now, the only legit guy out there that there is a small % of coming to Oakland it’s Billick IMO.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Fire Cable.
Message to Jamarcus: It’s not you. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable.
Message to DHB: It’s not you. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable:
Message to NAMDI: It’s not you. You don’t need to get in anyone’s face when we need a vocal leader. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable.
Message to Chris Johnson: It’s not you. It’s the coach. You’re right. Let’s not worry about just winning our next game. Let’s proclaim that we can still go 8-0 and finish the season 10-6. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable.
Message to Michael Bush: It’s not you. You’re right – you shouldn’t do what the team needs from you and be a temporary fullback. You need to get your individual numbers. It’s the coach.
Uh. . . .
Have you all not seen the results of this approach before?
November 16th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Later Nation!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
You can read between the lines when Cable speaks he is a beaten down lump of balogna. AL is wearing him down to a nub. Cables comments on JaMeatball are very telling, he has ZERO confidense in the big dummy!
If Cable had his way he probably would have started Garcia. So every Monday Tom has to standup and defend AL’s failed schemes.
Pretty dam rough job if you ask me…
November 16th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Cable sux as a HC. Should stick coaching the O-line.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
The Blackouts will continue until the fans see some REAL CHANGE.
More lipstick on this pig, in the form of Re-tread Coaches, rookie no-name coaches, or sons of coaches will not get it.
Al Davis will have to cede power to lift the blackouts.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
How many fans there yesterday, 35,000.
I had the over/under at 35,000.
Let’s see if we can get down to 30,000.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
SNS – You don’t get it. That is what happened when Al hired Cable he just took anyone.
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Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
O.K.
I give up. You all win.
Fire his ass!
Bring in Bill Cower. Oh that’s right – he wouldn’t come here.
Bring in Gruden. Oh that’s right – he wouldn’t come here.
Shouldn’t we at least have a LEGIT replacement, one that’ll really stick?
Or do you need some instant gratification?
If that’s the case. . . .yeah, fire his ass!
Let’s just bring in anyone! Hell, anyone will do!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Dakota Says:
I agree, certainly Cable is nothing more than a symptom of a deeper problem…that problem being Al Davis…but I don’t think Al will be firing himself in December…
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Unless God does the recall himself.
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Dakota Says:
Dell for Head Coach. He can’t take us any lower than Cable has…
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Dell, find a new campaign slogan.
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Suic!de is saying “you can’t fire me, I Quit!”
G. Carlin
November 16th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
KK, is your boy 0bama going to send the # of troops the General asked for to get the job done in Afghan or we just going to keep sending body bags back to the US ?
Hope, change and Socialism!
November 16th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Mistabrown Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
KK, is your boy 0bama going to send the # of troops the General asked for to get the job done in Afghan or we just going to keep sending body bags back to the US ?
Hope, change and Socialism!
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He’s in the process of redefining the mission there.
You should have asked that question of Dumbya.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
SNS – You don’t get it. That is what happened when Al hired Cable he just took anyone.
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Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
O.K.
I give up. You all win.
Fire his ass!
Bring in Bill Cower. Oh that’s right – he wouldn’t come here.
Bring in Gruden. Oh that’s right – he wouldn’t come here.
Shouldn’t we at least have a LEGIT replacement, one that’ll really stick?
Or do you need some instant gratification?
If that’s the case. . . .yeah, fire his ass!
Let’s just bring in anyone! Hell, anyone will do!
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Lol
Yeah, what is the message to the players if we don’t fire Cable? Losing is okay…payday is Monday.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Siler-n-Smac: I agree with you that we are playing young players right now and they are proned to make mistakes but the issues with this team are much greater than just saying the team is young. I would have not had a problem taking DHB in round one with the 21st pick (no doubt he would still be on board) after Philly offered pick #21 and 27 for #7. Then in round 2 we take another safety when we already have Tyvonne Branch (who I think will be a pro-bowler soon) instead of upgrading our OL. We cut one of our 4th round picks before the season and did not even bother to bring our 6th round selection into camp. I wish I had more time to detail but the boss is standing right behind me. Let me just state that Al Davis is clearly the problem.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Fire Cable.
Message to Jamarcus: It’s not you. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable.
Message to DHB: It’s not you. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable:
Message to NAMDI: It’s not you. You don’t need to get in anyone’s face when we need a vocal leader. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable.
Message to Chris Johnson: It’s not you. It’s the coach. You’re right. Let’s not worry about just winning our next game. Let’s proclaim that we can still go 8-0 and finish the season 10-6. It’s the coach.
Fire Cable.
Message to Michael Bush: It’s not you. You’re right – you shouldn’t do what the team needs from you and be a temporary fullback. You need to get your individual numbers. It’s the coach.
Uh. . . .
Have you all not seen the results of this approach before?
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Lol
Yeah, what is the message to the players if we don’t fire Cable? Losing is okay…payday is Monday.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I seriously would embrace Vick with open arms at this point. Why Al didn’t entertain this idea is even more proof he is an idiot.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Cable should resign.Denial isn’t a river.If he thinks improvement is just around the corner he’s either a fool or full of sh!t.
November 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Would any other NFL team hire Cable as a HC?
No.
Prior to 2008 would have any major college program hired Tom Cable as HC?
No.
Does a record of 6-15 and the direction the team is currently in justify retaining Tom Cable as HC?
No.
Have the players gotten better under Tom Cable’s leadership?
No.
Anymore questions?
November 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
…..and I don’t know who’d replace him,but if that’s all you’ve got for keeping him…..then you’re a fool or full of sh!te.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Someone said in here yesterday that he was sick of seeing murphy get a pass in here on the blog while dhb get’s all the criticism.
i thought about it and this is what i think.
DHB through no fault of his own was drafted #7 overall he will catch major criticism because of what guy’s like Percy Harvin and Michael Craptree do.
DHB did not draft himself so this all squarely falls on al davis.
Murphy was a fourth round pick who shows some signs of talent and heart. so his mistakes are understandable and are a reflection on the coaches.
guy’s like dhb taken number 7 overall should at least flash some talent.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Art Shell did more with less talent.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Redefining the mission?
Lets win and go home how about that mission? How many months need to go bye before he “redefines” that mission?
Remember when we had to pass that “job” stimulus bill or unemployment would go over 8%? We passed that bill in a week and unemployment is 10.2% Why did it take him 1 week to spend 800 billion on Bullsht but when it comes to the military he leaves the troops high and dry?
# KoolKell Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
He’s in the process of redefining the mission there.
You should have asked that question of Dumbya.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Art Shell did as little as Cable and Shell was a HC once before.
Cable is doing what he’s told to do….period
November 16th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Neilb Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Cable should resign.Denial isn’t a river.If he thinks improvement is just around the corner he’s either a fool or full of sh!t.
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Denial isn’t a river. Tom Cable is about as culpable for this mess as
Norv Turner
Art Shell
Lane Kiffin
Joe Bugel
Mike White
or any of Davis’ other stooges.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
Shouldn’t we at least have a LEGIT replacement, one that’ll really stick?
Or do you need some instant gratification?
If that’s the case. . . .yeah, fire his ass!
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Instant gratification? No, we are just looking for some consistent progress, which Cable is not and will not provide.
But even a little instant gratification wouldn’t hurt at this point….but you seem to be happy with prolonged agony if you want Cable back in 2010.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
If you were Cable and you were following orders from AL what would you say to the media? Seriously, think about that. I would blow AL up but then I wouldn’t get paid, what would you do neil ?
# neilb Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Cable should resign.Denial isn’t a river.If he thinks improvement is just around the corner he’s either a fool or full of sh!t.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
KK, maybe Tom just needs to redefine the mission?
lmao
November 16th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Mistabrown — keep your politics for another board, ok?
Anyone with a sense of history knows that we will never win that war. It’s been raging for thousands of years and it is never going to end. “War on Terror”? F-k you Bush… You threw gasoline on a raging fire that is going to haunt us forever. We wont win, ever. End Rant…..
November 16th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
That’s my point Mistabrown.Art didn’t have the talent for his second time at HC that Cable has now.Cable has/had the last 3 #1 draft picks on offense and done nothing with them.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Raider O Says:
November 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Dell,
I need your advise again sir. if I want to work abroad ( mid east) later, which is more beneficial to me: a CFP/CPA combo, or a CFA? US too?
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Raider O
Hope all is well.
I currently am a CPA/CFP. Most of the CFA’S I know have left college and worked for a few years and decided to study for the designation as a CFA. The tests are difficult. The direction and interest in a particular area will determine if you should become a CFA. Also the possibilty a employer, could help subsidize the cost to achieve the CFA, should be considered.
I have currently hired two CFA’S and asked for their opinion. Their opinion is, if you are moving towards the mideast, the designation as a CPA/CFP is a stronger designation nationally across the globe.
Whatever you decide, work hard and all your hard work will come together to having a successful career.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
What would I do Mistabrown……?
I’d be out of a job.
November 16th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Neil, feel free to go to the next thread.
lol
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November 16th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
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