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Russell could use a dose of Frye

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 16th, 2009 at 5:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.

One of the more telling comments from Raiders coach Tom Cable Monday came when he was asked about the viability of Charlie Frye as the starting quarterback.

Earlier in the press conference, Cable said he hadn’t even gotten so far as to whether Frye would be in the picture for Sunday’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals.

But when the question came around a second time, Cable went into testimonial mode.

“He’s a gym rat. He’s always around. He’s always studying. He’s a lot like a coach,” Cable said. “Sunday morning he could really tell you ever detail about everything that’s going on with your offensive lineman to his position. I think we’re really blessed to have him.

“I think what he does every week is come out and works and works and works, performs well with the `look’ team, and certainly deserves to be part of this discussion.”

In short, Frye, in terms of approach and dedication, is everything Russell is not. It’s precisely the sort of quote Cable and anyone else associated with Russell would love to give about Russell but never has.

Instead, it’s always, “He’s starting to learn what it takes,’ `He is learning to work harder,’ `He’s starting to get it,” etc. . . Rest assured Cable believes that if Russell approached his job like Frye, there would never be any talk of sending him to the bench.

A few other observations . . .

– Bruce Gradkowski wasn’t limping and never mentioned an issue with his hamstring when reporters came into the locker room at 11:30 a.m. He said said all the right things about living with whatever decision Cable made as he addressed the chances of a potential start.

By 2 p.m., Cable said he had just learned of the injury.

To be fair, there’s a code among a lot of players that injuries aren’t discussed.

– Cable said flatly he had the latitude to decide his quarterback, and that he had talked with Al Davis but the subject hadn’t come up.

Roll that one around in your mind for a minute. Another passing game disaster necessitating the removal of the future of the franchise in a loss to a 1-7 team, and the subject of Russell never came up.

– At least two Raiders players, given their comments about the starting quarterback, weren’t so sure who would be making the final call.

“That is (a decision) for coach Cable to make or whoever up there,” center Samson Satele said.

“We’ll let Cable, and whoever makes that decision, make that decision,” linebacker Thomas Howard said.

We’re guessing in this case that “whoever” isn’t John Herrera.

– One reason why Michael Bush may not have gotten more than 14 carries? After carrying five straight times for 35 yards on the Raiders first possession of the third quarter, he signaled for a breather, at which time Justin Fargas came in and was stopped for no gain.

The drive stalled when Russell threw incomplete to Tony Stewart and Satele was flagged for being downfield on a 15-yard screen to Zach Miller. On third-and-15, Russell threw incomplete to Bush and Sebastian Janikowski missed his first field goal attempt since a year ago today _ a span of 20 straight conversions.

On one hand, Cable understood Bush’s fatigue. On the other, he made it clear he would have liked to simply keep giving him the ball.

“I would have rode that one,” Cable said. “Five tough runs like that in a row is a pretty good deal.”

– Hard to believe the Raiders won’t consider another option to return punts this week after Johnnie Lee Higgins looked tentative on some returns and lost on others, letting two kicks account for 20 yards of lost hidden yardage as they rolled past him. He wasn’t impressed with Jonathan Holland, either.

“We came out of the San Diego game, as I mentioned out of the game yesterday, feeling better about our return game, both of them,” Cable said. “I don’t think either guy brought much to the table yesterday.”

There appears to be no Nick Miller on the horizon, he was still in a protective boot on the sideline Sunday. Cable has already said he’s out against Cincinnati. And no thought of utilizing Darren McFadden on kickoff returns, where he fared well in college (although prone to fumbles). Makes you wonder if the Raiders had drafted Percy Harvin, would they have let him return kickoffs?

If the Raiders decide to put Ricky Brown on injured reserve, one option could be practice squad player Shaun Bodiford, who was fielding punts with Higgins last week when left-footed punters Ricky Schmitt and Glenn Pakulak were brought in for tryouts. It appears Schmitt and Pakulak’s punts did little for Higgins.

– Defensive end Richard Seymour maintained morale and work ethic are not a problem.

“You can look at situations and say, you know, only won two games this year,” Seymour said. “You would think the team would kind of be in the dumps and would be lost, and people trying to find the exit sign and all that. But I think it’s just the opposite. I think guys are excited about coming to work and seeing that if we play the game the way we need to play it, we can turn things around.”

As for his own situation regarding a longterm contract, Seymour said, “I prefer to wait and let the chips fall where they may.”

– If Michael Huff’s ankle injury is serious enough for an MRI, there’s a reasonable chance Hiram Eugene will be starting at free safety against Cincinnati. That’d be unfortunate, given that Huff is in his best stretch of play since joining the Raiders.

– Cable didn’t mention it, but Tommy Kelly has some sore ribs. He was having trouble breathing at the end of the Chiefs game but generally played well although he had a couple of neutral zone infractions.

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  • hwnrdr

    Thanks guys!
    GG, always enjoyed your posts on Raiderfans! You kept it real and Bob didn’t like it (I’m guessing)!
    Thec07: That is why I love the AM!!!

  • angelodebo

    Priest..you are a tool.

    So its Cable who wants DHB to start? Not Al?

    Al drafted this kid..Al his telling Cable who plays.

    NO..Cable makes all the calls?

    You are an idiot

  • hwnrdr

    4eva: Yeah, but that could be looked at in two different ways…He probably could have come back and make a play like he did in week 2, or he could have gotten an int by a forced throw or a fumble! It is what it is, though. He does need to pull his head out of you know what and start to be the leader that is clearly needed on this team!!!

  • http://www.wix.com/GGEden/ggeden GG

    Thanks Hwnrdr.

    Always a great compliment to be remembered fondly by fellow posters.

    I have great admiration for all Raider posters here, and those spread out to all the billion message boards that now exist.

    We are all blood brothers brought more and more together thru suffering Al and all gradually coming round to the truth.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Cable must go!

  • http://www.wix.com/GGEden/ggeden GG

    Priest..you are a tool.

    So its Cable who wants DHB to start? Not Al?

    Al drafted this kid..Al his telling Cable who plays.

    NO..Cable makes all the calls?

    You are an idiot.
    ——

    He’s a shill. A plant to disseminate lies, doing Al’s deeds. Like some radio jocks out there etc. The way the NorCal fans are being treated and have been treated is shameful.

  • Thec07

    Mr. Davis must retire, cable needs to be demoted line coach….

    trask
    herrea
    taylor

    All need to find a new franchise to plunder…

  • Thec07

    I have some respect for preist, but the way he spins stuff makes you wonder if he works for the org.

    How can you spin BRL coming into camp fat?

  • http://www.wix.com/GGEden/ggeden GG

    I wouldnt be surprised if it was Al himself, the way he was talking the other night to me about the old days. Just sounds so much like Al. Or at least some old cronie same age as Al who is in his inner circle.

  • Thec07

    It would not suprise me one bit…. cronies and technology not a good mix…

  • http://www.wix.com/GGEden/ggeden GG

    Just too obvious. The propaganda machine always at work, reading thru his posts. There’s some illness inside RaidersOrg, the way the cronies rally so hard spreading lies, trying to influence minds, etc.
    It’s just amazing whenever you come across Al or his cronies how DELUDED they really are, they really believe their own hype, never smell their own stink, re-write history, and always feeding the megalomania that Al breeds.

  • jhill

    LMFAO

    You guys OBVIOUSLY have not heard Priest on the radio.

    Dude is by FAR the biggest fan I’ve come across.

    Sorta like the parent of the guy on death row.

    “that’s my baby!”

    Priest is cool, man!

  • QCRAIDER

    Face it folks. Al’s “Just Win Baby” means “just win my way baby”. No quality coach will implement his antiquated style of football. NO ONE! So we get athletes who need to be coached up but no decent coaches to coach them. This all squarely falls on Al. The other day I was at Circle K wearing my Raider shirt and the guy ask me,with a smug grin, “Uh, ha ha,your a Raider fan? I told him no. I’m just looking for some s**t. Took that grin off his face real quick.
    Bitterness is seting in.

  • hwnrdr

    Good Day to you all, Nation!!!
    Catch you guys here tomorrow in the AM!!!

  • 4evaRaider

    U2 Hwnrdr Bro

  • http://www.wix.com/GGEden/ggeden GG

    He’s a cronie. It’s like how the government creates conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theory groups or plants inside legit conspiracy theory groups, whose aim is to come up with even wilder stupider theories just so people can be influenced to discredit all the theories as garbage, and therefore not see the truth.

  • hwnrdr

    Ok, had to answer to QC:
    Anyone asks me if I’m a Raider fan…I do say “yes” with pride!!! Not a bandwagoner, been a fan for 35 years and will always be one! Not dogging you, I feel your pain, but…I always represent!!!

  • jhill

    Anyway, Mornin’ folks!

    Do you guys remember when Jerry was talking about Russell, Grads, and Frye all being on the side this summer, and Hackett was grilling them on plays, and checks outta those plays?

    Jerry CLEARLY said how Russell was the “pretty good” at that.

    Now we all saw the game, and I’m just really trying to focus on who Cable seems to think was running wide open? Most of us are here talking about accuracy or drops, but Cable is talking about Russell making the wrong reads and other guys being open.

    Hmmmmm!

    That HAS to be DHB!

    Russell threw the ball to EVERYONE else from JLH, to Chaz, and Murphy. Miller was being kept in to block, so who else are we talking about?

    Cable benched Russell because of 2 bad reads and not 2 bad throws?

    Translation = Cable not happy with Russell not throwing the ball to DHB.

  • http://www.wix.com/GGEden/ggeden GG

    Same Hwnrdr…always represent, always proud to be a fan, etc, am a Raiders fan not a Davis fan. Davis is not the raiders. No matter how much he might think he is, it took thousands of people, genuine collaborators etc that made “the raiders”. At some point too, Al ceased genuinely caring about the raiders itself–the football team and the fans. He betrayed the very thing he owns. Like Judas kissing Jesus.

  • http://www.wix.com/GGEden/ggeden GG

    Anyway, Im out too. Gotta do stuff. Peace all. Will be back to read everyone’s thoughts on stuff.

  • jhill

    I just don’t see how this is Al Davis’ fault.

    Sorry!

    Using Gruden and Kiffin as examples, Cable doesn’t have a plan! Cable’s “so called” plan is to try and impress Al Davis.

    Davis is sitting in the skybox drooling, man! Davis doesn’t come down to the practice field anymore! Cable has the keys to this, and is BLOWING IT!

    It’s CABLE who decided to change the playbook. It’s Cable who chooses the starting lineups each week. He can bench Huff and McFadden, but not Russell and DHB? All of them were top 10 picks by Al Davis!

    Anf like I said, if Cable is WEAK enough to be scared of justifying HIS playcalling or personell moves to AL Davis on Monday morning, then he has NO bahlls, and is NOT the leader of this team.

    A 2nd year QB should be the leader of the team? Sorry, IMO, it should be the HC!

  • los raiders de don rober

    As a die hard Raider fan I would like to send a special thanks to the Cleveland Browns for bieng there for us during these hard times. Thank you Mangini and Quinn for keeping us company down here.

  • los raiders de don rober

    Honestly, I’d take Quinn over Jamarcus right now. I’d base my decision on attitude and game speed. Jamarcus plays slow, hangs on to the football for to long and misses everything, at least Quinn is going 100mph and missing everything. And the attitude part, well at least Quinn was not sitting on the bench thinking about breakfast after his second int…

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    priesttj Says:
    November 17th, 2009 at 12:34 am
    Word!!

    WHAT HE :mrgreen: SAID:
    Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who actually knows the game.

    Adios!!
    WHAT HE :mrgreen: MEANT:

    Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who suks up to me :mrgreen: L-A-M-B-E :oops:

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    los raiders de don rober Says:
    November 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am
    Honestly, I’d take Quinn over Jamarcus right now.
    ____________________

    Give Russell Quinn’s brains and heart and then you might have a player.

  • DMAC

    Did Jerry say, “EUGENE?”
    garbage

  • DMAC

    Let’s use Branch on punt reurns and try DHB on kickoffs.

  • Mistabrown

    “The Warriors learned Monday that swingman Kelenna Azubuike is out for the season and that guard C.J. Watson tested positive for swine flu”

    ==============================

    # The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    November 16th, 2009 at 11:15 pm

    A lot of people waiting in this line for a swine flu shot are overweight. I’ll bet you less than a handful of them even know their blood pressure. Half of them are probably on pace to have a stroke within 10 years, and they’re worried about catching this flu that merely thousands of people have caught WORLD WIDE! Unbelievable.

  • Richochet

    # Trolls 35 Raiders 0 Says:
    November 17th, 2009 at 8:30 am

    priesttj Says:
    November 17th, 2009 at 12:34 am
    Word!!

    WHAT HE :mrgreen: SAID:
    Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who actually knows the game.

    Adios!!
    WHAT HE :mrgreen: MEANT:

    Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who suks up to me :mrgreen: L-A-M-B-E :oops:
    =====================
    PriestTammiJoe=Lame=redundant.

    If you don’t ruffle priests sensitive ID, you’re “knowledgeable”.

    If you call him out for any one of his numerous head up ass comments..he’s “I don’t wanna pway”.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Let’s try Tom Cable as water boy and let Tolner run the offense.

  • 16yearsold16yearfan

    dhb=Drops Hella Balls lol

  • Richochet

    # jhill Says:
    November 17th, 2009 at 7:43 am

    I just don’t see how this is Al Davis’ fault.

    Sorry!

    Using Gruden and Kiffin as examples, Cable doesn’t have a plan! Cable’s “so called” plan is to try and impress Al Davis.

    Davis is sitting in the skybox drooling, man! Davis doesn’t come down to the practice field anymore! Cable has the keys to this, and is BLOWING IT!

    It’s CABLE who decided to change the playbook. It’s Cable who chooses the starting lineups each week. He can bench Huff and McFadden, but not Russell and DHB? All of them were top 10 picks by Al Davis!

    Anf like I said, if Cable is WEAK enough to be scared of justifying HIS playcalling or personell moves to AL Davis on Monday morning, then he has NO bahlls, and is NOT the leader of this team.

    A 2nd year QB should be the leader of the team? Sorry, IMO, it should be the HC!
    ============================
    Not Al’s fault?
    How so?

    Not COMPLETELY Al’s fault..sure..but he’s got his hand in the cookie jar, and controls who gets what cookie, right?

    If what numerous prior players report is true, Al’s only decrease in involvement is his notorious golf cart trips out to the middle of the field to give an impromptu coaching lesson.

    Why do you believe he has say over anyone being benched?

    All I see is someone who waffles on decision making, waiting for someone to tell him exactly what “his” decision will be.

    Cable is the master puppet, but even drooling in his box, Al is still the puppeteer.

    Honestly, Cable comes across as being just slightly more intelligent than Pinocchio..all apologies to Pinoc..

  • jhill

    I have to be a pretty special guy to be professional athlete and STILL be overweight.

    How is that possible?

    Most of us try and get a good hour a day of some physical exercise and tend to stay in some sort of presentable shape.

    I could just imagine myself getting going through the workouts these guys do everyday. I think I could say with some confidence that I would at least not be fat.

    Russell, Sands, Cornbread, Big Baby Davis, and all these guys.

    How the heck is it possible?

  • 4evaRaider

    los raiders de don rober Says:
    November 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am
    As a die hard Raider fan I would like to send a special thanks to the Cleveland Browns for bieng there for us during these hard times. Thank you Mangini and Quinn for keeping us company down here.
    ***************************************

    LMAO!!!

  • jhill

    Richochet,

    You and I know the obvious about Al Davis. But I have to imagine if you were coaching the team, things would be different. I just don’t know how to day it any other way. Might I get fired? For winning? Or at least losing the right way? I think I’d take my chances with getting fired my way than Al’s. Which is why I use Kiffin and Gruden as examples.

    Moreso than I think Al is a puppet, I think Cable is doing what he THINKS (and he’s probably right) Al wants to see. Why not start JLH and Chaz, and use DHB A LOT in the slot and on reverses? Those things would still make Al look good with DHB getting better opportunites against LBs, Ss, or Nickle corners. To just line the guy up and run him down the field is DUMB! Al talked up JLH and Schillens so I can’t see him being mad at them still succeding.

    You’re probably right though. But I stand by the fact that Cable is clueless and has ZERO bahlls!

  • jhill

    damn my spelling is awful today. super fat finger syndrome!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    There is plenty of blame to go around for the past seven seasons.

    Bad luck: Gannon injury, Bad calls by the refs

    Poor Coaching: Shell and Cable

    Poor ownership: Horrible FA signings, inability to hire a decent coach, poor draft picks

    Poor play: Underperformers too numerous to list

    Bad publicity: The Kiffin, Cable, Moss, Sapp debacles

    Al is the chef of this schit salad, so he is ultimately to blame and I can’t wait for him to be out of the picture, but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

    So, you have to just hope they fix what they can…starting with the coach.

    If Al can somehow hire a legit coaching staff (long shot I know) then maybe some of the players will start playing up to their potential and maybe some of the grime will be washed away from the franchise so that in the future, Oakland will become a place where players want to come again, not a place where players go to watch the death of their careers.

    A lot of maybes, but that is about as positive I can be right now.

    Al, first thing first…Cable should be fired within 10 seconds of the end of the season. And you can’t “for cause” his azz otherwise you hurt your ability to hire a decent coaching staff to replace Cable and the clowns.

    Hire a coach and empower him to run his team. The players will never respect a coach that they know has to suck your balls every time he wants to make a change to the lineup.

  • los raiders de don rober

    Some Raider fans are hoping for Al to pull a 180 and somehow find the next Ron Wolf and Tom Flores…I am hoping for 200 yds from our passing offense, not much you say eh? well during the Cable’s tenure we’ve past the 200 marker just 4 times in 21 games.

  • Larz

    Pulling your starting QB when you are only 6 points down at home to KC?

    When you are developing a QB and lets face it QB for the Raiders is a crisis management position.
    If he does not play in these situations you are giving up on developing him.
    That means the guy that goes in should win that game.
    That way you can say I did it for the sake of the team.
    When that guy does not do any better and you lose the game anyway you have blown the game and a good chance for your young QB to work through a winnable game.

    Why would Cable leave JR in when the games are at blowout stage but pull him when we are in a good position to win?

    Stupid Coach…who has never developed anything more than a Z-blocking Guard in his career.

    You might as well let the booing knob in my section coach the team.

  • Larz

    How many games have we been close to winning going into the last 10 minutes this year?

    Where is our QB on the bench.

    Yup that’s how Dungy handled P.Manning.

    That’s not M.Harrison and R. Wayne running routes out there.
    As Gradikoski found out.

    Clang, Penalty, Clang, Penalty.

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