Russell could use a dose of Frye
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 16th, 2009 at 5:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.
One of the more telling comments from Raiders coach Tom Cable Monday came when he was asked about the viability of Charlie Frye as the starting quarterback.
Earlier in the press conference, Cable said he hadn’t even gotten so far as to whether Frye would be in the picture for Sunday’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals.
But when the question came around a second time, Cable went into testimonial mode.
“He’s a gym rat. He’s always around. He’s always studying. He’s a lot like a coach,” Cable said. “Sunday morning he could really tell you ever detail about everything that’s going on with your offensive lineman to his position. I think we’re really blessed to have him.
“I think what he does every week is come out and works and works and works, performs well with the `look’ team, and certainly deserves to be part of this discussion.”
In short, Frye, in terms of approach and dedication, is everything Russell is not. It’s precisely the sort of quote Cable and anyone else associated with Russell would love to give about Russell but never has.
Instead, it’s always, “He’s starting to learn what it takes,’ `He is learning to work harder,’ `He’s starting to get it,” etc. . . Rest assured Cable believes that if Russell approached his job like Frye, there would never be any talk of sending him to the bench.
A few other observations . . .
– Bruce Gradkowski wasn’t limping and never mentioned an issue with his hamstring when reporters came into the locker room at 11:30 a.m. He said said all the right things about living with whatever decision Cable made as he addressed the chances of a potential start.
By 2 p.m., Cable said he had just learned of the injury.
To be fair, there’s a code among a lot of players that injuries aren’t discussed.
– Cable said flatly he had the latitude to decide his quarterback, and that he had talked with Al Davis but the subject hadn’t come up.
Roll that one around in your mind for a minute. Another passing game disaster necessitating the removal of the future of the franchise in a loss to a 1-7 team, and the subject of Russell never came up.
– At least two Raiders players, given their comments about the starting quarterback, weren’t so sure who would be making the final call.
“That is (a decision) for coach Cable to make or whoever up there,” center Samson Satele said.
“We’ll let Cable, and whoever makes that decision, make that decision,” linebacker Thomas Howard said.
We’re guessing in this case that “whoever” isn’t John Herrera.
– One reason why Michael Bush may not have gotten more than 14 carries? After carrying five straight times for 35 yards on the Raiders first possession of the third quarter, he signaled for a breather, at which time Justin Fargas came in and was stopped for no gain.
The drive stalled when Russell threw incomplete to Tony Stewart and Satele was flagged for being downfield on a 15-yard screen to Zach Miller. On third-and-15, Russell threw incomplete to Bush and Sebastian Janikowski missed his first field goal attempt since a year ago today _ a span of 20 straight conversions.
On one hand, Cable understood Bush’s fatigue. On the other, he made it clear he would have liked to simply keep giving him the ball.
“I would have rode that one,” Cable said. “Five tough runs like that in a row is a pretty good deal.”
– Hard to believe the Raiders won’t consider another option to return punts this week after Johnnie Lee Higgins looked tentative on some returns and lost on others, letting two kicks account for 20 yards of lost hidden yardage as they rolled past him. He wasn’t impressed with Jonathan Holland, either.
“We came out of the San Diego game, as I mentioned out of the game yesterday, feeling better about our return game, both of them,” Cable said. “I don’t think either guy brought much to the table yesterday.”
There appears to be no Nick Miller on the horizon, he was still in a protective boot on the sideline Sunday. Cable has already said he’s out against Cincinnati. And no thought of utilizing Darren McFadden on kickoff returns, where he fared well in college (although prone to fumbles). Makes you wonder if the Raiders had drafted Percy Harvin, would they have let him return kickoffs?
If the Raiders decide to put Ricky Brown on injured reserve, one option could be practice squad player Shaun Bodiford, who was fielding punts with Higgins last week when left-footed punters Ricky Schmitt and Glenn Pakulak were brought in for tryouts. It appears Schmitt and Pakulak’s punts did little for Higgins.
– Defensive end Richard Seymour maintained morale and work ethic are not a problem.
“You can look at situations and say, you know, only won two games this year,” Seymour said. “You would think the team would kind of be in the dumps and would be lost, and people trying to find the exit sign and all that. But I think it’s just the opposite. I think guys are excited about coming to work and seeing that if we play the game the way we need to play it, we can turn things around.”
As for his own situation regarding a longterm contract, Seymour said, “I prefer to wait and let the chips fall where they may.”
– If Michael Huff’s ankle injury is serious enough for an MRI, there’s a reasonable chance Hiram Eugene will be starting at free safety against Cincinnati. That’d be unfortunate, given that Huff is in his best stretch of play since joining the Raiders.
– Cable didn’t mention it, but Tommy Kelly has some sore ribs. He was having trouble breathing at the end of the Chiefs game but generally played well although he had a couple of neutral zone infractions.
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November 16th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Russell has had plenty of doses of Fri’s, that’s the problem.
November 16th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
that cable comment about russell having “all the talent in the world” or something like that almost seemed like a underhanded slap at him and al
November 16th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
– At least two Raiders players, given their comments about the starting quarterback, weren’t so sure who would be making the final call.
“That is (a decision) for coach Cable to make or whoever up there,” center Samson Satele said.
“We’ll let Cable, and whoever makes that decision, make that decision,” linebacker Thomas Howard said.
We’re guessing in this case that “whoever” isn’t John Herrera.
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This is the problem in a nutshell.
What goes on, on the field and practice has absolutely nothing to do with those decisions. For any position. And that’s why the players aren’t invested in the decisions, and simply collect their checks.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
You know for the first time this year I really thought Jamarcuss was throwing the ball well, and Time after time they (read everybody) would drop the ball. He made some bad reads, or didnt read quite a bit, but more throws than not hit their targets. The DHP bomb was run as the last play for warm-ups and like Nhamdi said “he catches em’ in practice”. The Raiders offense ran off the field and when they ran that play and DHB ran past the corner and then the safety I was ooohhh then aaaawwwww. J russ came back and hit Murph for a big pick up to the 5 – Penalty!! Momentum and then Boo Birds then hook! Thought for once he deserved to finish his mess.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
# islandraider Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Q: Who is involved in that discussion?
Cable: Me …and the quarterbacks.
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And Al, of course.
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What’s sad is that it’s likely Al, and only Al.
Think about it.
on the other 31 teams, when asked that question, wouldn’t the head coach have answered “myself, and the qb coach” or “myself, qb coach, and OC”??
laughed my ass off at Cable’s ‘no where in the ballpark’ reply.
Who in the hell would meet with the qb’s, to decide who the starting qb is going to be?
No one.
Cable can’t even give a correct generic reply.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Isn’t it funny how Gradkowski suddenly comes up with a hamstring tweak at the thought of him starting over JR. I bet Al Davis sent that message down to Cable. “Tell everyone that Gradkowski is injured, we don’t need a QB controversy…we can win with Jamarcus.”
November 16th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
http://www.messagetoal.com/
November 16th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
**Bruce Gradkowski has a hamstring strain**
Damn near fell out my chair laughing ….I know this is one cooked up story. Truth is AD probably scolded Cable for bench Russell for nothing – and for good reason may I add.
Now all of a sudden Gradkowski has a hammy …lmao
Fire this twit. Now let me finish the reading.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
What happened to all the “Look how great Matt Ryan is” talk?
November 16th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
don’t go to the coliseum to see this garbage. get rid of your tickets. do not buy or renew. let your $$$$ do the talking.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Matt Ryan
EAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2009 ATL 9 178 298 59.7 2008 6.7 14 90 12 78.8
Jamarcus Russell
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
2009 OAK 9 97 206 47.1 1067 5.2 2 86 9 47.9
Matt Ryan looks like a Pro Bowler compared.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Hope Grad’s hammie ain’t as bad as Walker’s… Nah, who cares. Its a freakin soap opera going on 7 seasons.
I figure right now we just past the mid point of a 24 game preseason- which is why Al made the pick for Sey 2 years out. Going to my 1 game of the year next week, bought the tickets and airfare in the preseason when there was a flicker of hope. Will be wearing black but nothing with the Raider’s logo. I’ll be the guy by the beer stand looking depressed.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Matt Ryan is ranked #13 by Scouts Inc.
Jamarcus Russell is ranked #35 by Scouts Inc.
JR isn’t even ranked as one of the top 32 QB’s despite there being 32 teams. How sad.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/scouting?position=8
November 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Oh, and in case you guys ain’t seen this yet- http://jamarcusrussellsucks.blogspot.com/2009/11/al-davis-must-die.html
I’m out.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
the whole team sux
November 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Q: Would we even be having this conversation if your guys hadn’t dropped 8 passes?
Cable: Well, it was four with him and four with Bruce.
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4! 4! Now the guy can’t count ….the announcers were already up to 8-10!!!!
I don’t have that disaster recorded but I’m CERTAIN it was more than 4! Oh but he made sure he count all Bruce’s. What a joke.
And really, who do you think you are foolin’ here. You pulled the franchise QB for no apparent reason and you say you and the owner didn’t talk about it. Get the f’k outta here!
November 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
great. if huff cant play its likely hiram eugene will start in his place. wtf. play mitchell. he cant be as bad as hiram. that guy aside from jlh is the most useless parasite on this team. kirk morrison running a real close 3rd
November 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
yeah terrapin. if i remember while jr was still playing, murphy dropped at least 1 maybe 2. lawton 1. dhb 2. fargas 1. bush 1 dmac 1 gruss 1. jlh 2 if not 3
November 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
maybe jlh needs to cut off that stupid looking rat tail he’s sporting
November 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
$30millon …and you didn’t talk about it? Who’s gonna believe that crap? Al probably scolded you for doing something so stupid.
And what came in 2nd place was this gem of a Q&A:
Q: Focus has been on WR drops, running backs also had their share . . . are dropped passes contagious?
Cable: No, I think we’re where we’re supposed to be. I’d say pressing too much. That’s really what it comes down to.
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Were we’re supposed to be? Are you freakin kiddin’ me?!?
November 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
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November 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
yeah. thats where we’re supposed to be. dropping 25% of the passes. or 80% of the ones that are actually on target
November 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Yep ..Murphy dropped at least 2, DMC 1, Lawton 1, Russell 1, Fargas 1, DHB ? can’t remember …but gawddamn I’m sure it was more than FOUR!!! LOL!
November 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
dont 4get, bush had 1 and jlh had at least 2. and what was with that punt. it looked as though he had room to run and the ball lands 3 yrds behind him at the 33 and roles to the 19. little to no awareness. he is fuggin lost out there. LOST
November 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
and if holland ran any slower, he’d be going backwards
November 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
24-nice post.Russell is the 35th rated QB in the league-35th.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
oh so Bush had 1 too …so that’s already 5 before even getting to the wideouts …but hey our great HC puts 4 on the board and claims he and Grads had the same amount of drops (even when Grads only played 1 full quarter)
November 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
no way man. russell was in there for anywhere from 8-10 drops. me and my father were counting them as they were happening
November 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
This stuff is getting real ugly. Looks like the coach is starring unemployment right in the face and looking for a scapegoat. He’s basically throwing his QB under the bus. Saying Grads and JR had the same number of drops attempts to put them both on equal footing saying hey, look at Grads stats vs Russell…they had the same drops, when it wasn’t even close to being equal.
What a shame. This is just going to get uglier. Dysfunction.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
He said Russell had for drops, and Bruce had 4 drops.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
and wtf is up with miller being on the back field on 3rd downs pass blocking? our best pass catcher and he’s in the backfield blocking.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
no way russell had only 4. no way. just not possible. i saw the whole game. 8-10 drops. period. we all know cable has a problem telling the truth
November 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
But why not lean on the Running game? it was a close game, not a blowout, the run game was still viable.
Bush 14 carries, McFadden 4 carries. C’mon.
Because Al Davis’s rep is on the line with the Bey pick!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
and gradkowski is just way too short to be a qb. he looks like a little flea out there
November 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Russell has had some bad games, but this one he really didn’t deserve it. That’s what got me. But Cable took it out on him and pinned the lost of the QB publicly by yanking.
Yet ..the team catching is where they’re suppose to be? What a joke.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
bey sux. plain and simple. just cant catch the ball. horrible. murphy too.i’d be willing to bet he’s dropped half the passes thrown his way. caught 20% of them and was missed on the other 30% lmao
November 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
i agree terrapin. russell threw 2 bad balls yesterday, maybe 3. but lets not 4get, after all the drops he must be playing pissed. and a mad player is a bad player
November 16th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
no way that games is his fault. if i were qb and those guys kept dropping the ball, i’d get a close to them as possible and fire a laser right at their nugget pouch
November 16th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
good news guys, luke lawton is out 6 weeks….. oooops…. wait a minute, luke walton is out 6 weeks. my bad
November 16th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Frye is the type of gym rat QB that Al Davis cant stand…
Like another Gannon type…
Davis wants Rusell…
And thats who will start.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I’ve finally figured out the problem with DHB. He has really, really small hands like the guy on the burger king commercial, which explains why he attempts to catch the ball with his body and not his hands.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
http://www.messagetoal.com
November 16th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
well those of you who put this squarely on cable are wrong.
im not saying he’s the best coach by far but we havent seen him with an accurate quarterback and a capable reciever let alone 2 or three as other teams have.
CABLE DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY THAT SOME OF YOU BELIEVE.
I think cable wants to bench dhb i think he probably wants to give yvone walker a look with chaz on the other side and the rookie murphy in the slot. preferably with jeff garcia at qb.
but when you are an employee you do what you are told by your boss so you can get your paycheck.
every single person here when they go to work does what they are told none of you would bench dhb and russell if the owner said not to.
russell rarely hits open recievers and when he does they drop it. dhb droped a perfect deep pass ( a very rare good throw ). That affects the run game they stuff the box and no that 9 out of ten throws will be a check down for a short gain or a bad throw. so mcfumble bush and fargas have the deck stacked against them.
If cable was losing like this with phillip rivers or almost every other qb in the league then there would be no question it was all him. I mean AS MUCH AS I HATE HIM what do you guy’s thimk rivers would of done as our qb yesterday ??? or in both charger games Our qb cant make good reads and is grossely innacurate.
This squarely falls on al davis he drafted jamarcuss and fired all his coaches to date. jamarcuss had raw talent that was not polished and that is al davis fault for not having a functioning organization.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Terrapin Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Russell has had some bad games, but this one he really didn’t deserve it. That’s what got me. But Cable took it out on him and pinned the lost of the QB publicly by yanking.
Yet ..the team catching is where they’re suppose to be? What a joke
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You didnt have a headset on yesterday you don’t know what plays were called and what reads he missed.
if you say he only made 2 or 3 bad throws then you need to re-watch the game.
he may not have looked as bad as we are used to but that dosent mean he looked good.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
i bet if walker was playing, we’d have less drops
November 16th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Terrapin Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Russell has had some bad games, but this one he really didn’t deserve it. That’s what got me. But Cable took it out on him and pinned the lost of the QB publicly by yanking.
Yet ..the team catching is where they’re suppose to be? What a joke
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You didnt have a headset on yesterday you don’t know what plays were called and what reads he missed.
if you say he only made 2 or 3 bad throws then you need to re-watch the game.
he may not have looked as bad as we are used to but that dosent mean he looked good
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sorry i copied the wrong post i meant to respond to england raider who was responding to you LOL
November 16th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
well guys. y’all hava gr8 night. im out
November 16th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
i never said he looked good. but he seems fragile mentally. you can not say the drops dont have an effect on him. he started out 3-3 then they start dropping passes and all goes downhill after that. he must be questioning himself as to what he needs to do to get these scubs to catch the ball. most every game they play, by the time his 2nd or 3rd incompletion comes, there usually a drop or 2 in there. im not saying this dude is a pro bowler, i am saying that his numbers would be a lot more respectable if these paraites did their jobs and caught the fuggin ball
November 16th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
he had over 2-3 bad throws his last series.plus,how many times did he have open recs. and didn’t see them or throw them the ball.granted the WRs drop too many balls,but the QB isn’t doing his job either-and he isn’t a rookie.hell,a KC DB said after the game they KNOW Russell only looks at 1/2 the field.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
At least we are not as inept as the Browns…..yet..
If you thought yesterday’s game was fugly, wait till we play them….
November 16th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
It’s amazing to read people defending Russell. Russell is one of the worst quarterbacks I’ve every seen, and I’ve watched pro football for 40 years. He doesn’t even have the guts to run the ball. And sitting on the sideline with a diamond earring and a beanie? Vince Lombardi would have slapped the shus out of him!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I heard that it took 63 MINUTES, just to play the 1st. quarter yesterday..
November 16th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Lefty – What I’m saying is this ….I don’t remember JR getting sacked much at all during the game. He threw some 24 passes. WRs could have been open all over but JR decided to throw it to whomever he decided to throw it to, who was also open. Many of those passes were safer, high percentage passes, but they dropped them nonetheless.
To me its like splitting hairs to say like Cable said they were open. Your QB decided to go with a different guy that was open and that guy dropped it. So I just don’t buy that Cable argument if you ‘catch’ my drift.
November 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
you’re right lefty he missed meyers twice on last series threw behind higgins once and murphy early. i stand corrected. watch a patriots game once in a while. brady misses moss at least three times a game. and is vey innacurate on the deep ball which he over throws constantly. im not sayibg russell is even avereage, what im saying is if we dont have those drops, his numbers are better. better comp%, more yards, more 1st downs, and quite possibly more points
November 16th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
lol at the announcer gus johnson saying higgins dropped a pass because it had too much zip. guy said, oh i think higgins jammed a finger. gimme a freakin break man
November 16th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
I don’t think anyone is really defending Russell at this point. Russell deserved to be benched a long time ago for his non-Fryeness, if you will.
Yesterday, in and of itself, was NOT the time to bench Russell. And if you were going to bench Russell, it should have not been the only benching of the day.
My issue is Cable responding to the fans after a bad pass. If I thought for a second that it was an original Cable idea that if this guy doesn’t do this or that by X time in the game, then that’s it.
The decision was so out of the blue, the Grads was not even ready to go in the game. Which led to a quick 3 and out, and a turnover. Make the switch at halftime, or during the bye week.
Have a fuggin plan, man!
November 16th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Was it me, or was every single penalty on 3rd down after we converted a 1st down?
Those penalties were so HUGE yesterday! Almost as bad as the drops to our offense.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Something evil at work here!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Jhill,yesterday wasn’t the 1st time that has happened(penalties),it is a weekly occurrence and it is time the league is held accountable for it.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Q: Would we even be having this conversation if your guys hadn’t dropped 8 passes?
Cable: Well, it was four with him and four with Bruce.
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When the coach calls one guy his first name and the other guy “him”, that’s not a good sign for “him”.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
the problem is it is a taboo subject.the announcers won’t talk about the officials.the coaches can’t talk about it.the players can’t say anything,so it is time for the fans to let it be known we are sick and tired of getting screwed weekly and unless the officials start calling the games the same for both teams,there will be repercussions.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
I’m ready for the Chuck Potato era to begin. QB coach, Head Coach, OC, QB whatever. Probably the smartest guy in the building.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Oh the conspiracy theories again………..
November 16th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Didn’t Gallery admit the penalty? Satele clearly left early, IMO, because Jamarcus took to long to throw it, screwing up the timing.
But poor Stanford Routt. The guys stinks, but he gets called for the most ticky-tack calls all the time.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Two firsts yesterday:
KC rushes for a touchdown
Oakland has 100+ by a back
Pathetic.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
#56 is right on point.
The snowball is getting bigger!!
Go Raiders! Keep fighting!
November 16th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Gallery admitted to the penalty (can’t remember seeing it happen though). Satele did leave early but that had nothing to do with Russell. If you watch it again you’ll see that by the time Miller turned around to get the ball Satele was 5yds up the field. Russell had nothing to do with it.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Gallery said he was protecting his QB.that play happens many times every game and is never called.the announcers said it was a bogus call.Henderson was called for holding on successive successful plays negating 1st downs-the announcers said they didn’t see them.#42 of the chiefs held on the long td run RIGHT IN FRONT of the official and there was no call.i realize the NFL officials suck-all i want is for them to suck equally for both teams.BTW,they busted an NBA official for cheating.well guess what ,a lot more money is bet on the NFL than the NBA.draw your own conclusions.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Forget Al, he’s not going anywhere.
All you can do is hope he finds a diamond in the ruff as a HC (Madden, Flores, Gruden, almost landed Peyton and even Kiffin …yes Kiffin he had this team on the right track).
With that being said I think the biggest problem in the building right now are the coaches, in particular the HC. He has a dominant rushing attack and squanders it. Went from Top 5 rushing to bottom 5 almost immediately. Key players are regressing under his watch. Yesterday, no one on the team could catch a freakin’ dump off. He scapegoats the QB for the teams’ unpreparedness which falls on his shoulders. Every week he’s trying the same sht and expecting different results. Its just getting more and more embarrassing to watch.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
almost as embarrassing as listening to the Russell apologists every week.35th rated QB in the NFL says it all.if the rookie WRs didn’t drop some passes what would he be-32nd.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Immediately when Tom Cable took over the reigns the team somehow forgot how to run the football. I remember saying this last year. Top 5 to Bottom 5 overnight. Can’t get much clearer than that.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
The Raiders are not competitive in the NFL. UFL maybe.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
I’m not apologies for Russell ..’o contrare
I’m not ready to call the guy a bust either.
Right now Cable is screwing up more than he is. Damn near every week. How can we all of a sudden forget how to run the ball? That sht puzzles the hell out of me.
Its not teams stacking the box …heck they stacked the hell outta the boxes last year when Kiffin was here and we still ran it down their throats. Nah ..its more than that.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
The Raiders have not been “competitive” in the NFL for 7 years straight now.
It’s gets stranger, weirder, and worse every year, HELLO knock, knock……..
November 16th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I think this mess runs much deeper than Russell, yet I also welcome a change at QB til he is ready to be a starter in the NFL.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Throw in Frye if he is such a hard worker… what else could happen, and could it get worse?…really
November 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Little simple things like screens this team can’t run anymore. Again, can’t get much clearer than that.
I’ll give him this though. Save this game, he has been able to cut down on the penalties.
Too bad he focused all offseason on the passing game to have that monumentally fail.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
and we lost.in the NFL you have to be able to pass the ball.with Russell as QB we don’t have an adequate passing game.the coach can’t open up the playbook because the QB doesn’t know it.the QB only sees half the field-something even the opponents SAY.the QB can’t change the plays because he doesn’t know the playbook.should we just run the ball so we lose 17-3.lets continue to just run the ball so our loses don’t look so bad.we have to develop a passing game if we are ever going to win games.and right now,Russell isn’t up to the task.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
To the comment that Frye is a Gannon type and Al Davis does not like that is dead wrong. Gradkowski is the Gannon type and Frye has a big arm and can put the ball down the field like Al Davis likes.
Facts are that Russell is going to be given every chance to come around and I think that is not only this year but next as well before they would give up on him.
The WRers make the catches that Russell put right on their chins and Russell has a good game going. Pulling Russell was the wrong move and looked more like a coach trying to cover his rear play to me.
Russell made some big plays out there that his other team mates let him down on. It is hell to watch but that is what you get playing all these young guys at once, we have to get them through it so they start making the plays.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Terrapin,
I saw your bottom five comment and had to look it up. Currently we are 20th in the league. Interestingly, 3 of the worst teams running the ball: Colts, Chargers(dead last) and Cardinals. 3 playoff teams.
Top 4 rushing teams: Jets, Dolphins, Panthers, Titans. Zero playoff teams.
Meanwhile, top 4 passing teams: Colts, Saints, Patriots, Texans. Worst 4: Raiders, Browns, Dolphins, Bills.
Clearly, 2009 NFL football is being one and lost by QB play. Running the ball and playing D is taking a back-seat.
We outrushed a team by 80 yards yesterday and lost. Why? Our QB and WR’s aren’t UFL level. You need to throw the ball to win games in the NFL, especially at the end of games.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I don’t buy your argument Lefty …if the team is dropping the balls its not the QBs fault – Russell, Gradkowski, Frye – it won’t matter who’s back there. It’ll all look the same.
Gradkowski back there look just like JR did before him. A few successes but drops when it mattered most. (And a bad throw behind JLH that got picked).
Changing the plays will do you no good if these dummies don’t execute.
My point with running the ball is that WAS this teams strength and Cable totally abandoned it for most of the season. That’s clearly not in agreement with putting your players in the best position to win (i.e. playing to their strengths). He did what “HE” wanted to do, not what was best for the teams’ development and chemistry. He doesn’t know his own team.
Every team has weaknesses …you play to your strengths and mask your weaknesses ..not the other way around. This team is a run, run, playaction team right now. And Cable is constantly trying to drop back and have a 2nd yr QB with ROOKIE WR trying to heave it downfield. And blames the QB when its not getting done when its clear you don’t have Peyton Manning or Drew Brees back there – or Marvin Harrison or Randy Moss.
You be the judge.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
one and lost, lol
*won*
November 16th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
lefty get off your high horse man. i know u aint feelin russell right now but stop deflecting blame from the wrs and cable. he sold out his qb. u guys complain he cant make dumpoff passes and hes been doing that for several weeks now and they cant catch it. u ever think that these drops are getting in his head and its made him very tentaive? i saw aaron rodgers do the same thing his last year at cal when all of his best wrs got hurt and he had to play with scrubs.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Thats hella interesting Vegas …b/c I looked it up last night and we were 26th. Must have been a typo on NFL.com. Still 20th is nothing to get excited about – your not even in the top half. Top 5 to what Bottom 10 (close enough)..whatever da f’k
November 16th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
DB’s never catch Jamarcus’ passes either. The guy got away with at least 4 easy picks against KC this year.
His passes are like Mariano Riveira cutters. You can’t catch it square. They are dipping and diving, coming out of his hand hot and rarely ever a tight spiral. One will be low and away, the next one up and in. I don’t know what all this talent everyone talks about with him, he has no presence or accuracy. Aren’t those talents?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
so what do we do with Javon?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=TM&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go
November 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Reggie Wayne …now that boy can catch! Catches every thing in his vicinity. Our WRs? They can’t catch nothing that hits their hands. Nor the RBs.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
terrapin is right. the way he coached at the end of the season is how he shouldve been coaching all season so far. why did dmc only get 4 carries and bush not 20+ ? when will our wrs go up and get the damn ball like other teams? even michael irvin talks about htis. dhb and murphy both need to sit and let jr work some guys he feels confident in. as much of a punk jlh is i feel he would be a better starter than those 2 with chaz. look how accurate and confident he looked throwing to him.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Armond,i don’t deflect blame from the WRs.they haven’t been doing their job either.but i find it hard to blame the coach when neither the QB or the WRS are doing their jobs.what is he supposed to do?he can’t throw the passes;he can’t catch the passes.the plays he is calling would be working if the players were doing their jobs.AS OF RIGHT NOW,Russell is hurting the team more than he is helping the team win games.why is it so hard for some of you to admit that?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
DMac got 4 carries too many and one too many throws his way.
Great run on the draw at the end of the game. Ran right into the back of his lineman, than went down even though he wasn’t wrapped up, and couldn’t get a measely yard. Between Russell, DHB and D-Mac we could start a blooper reel!!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I blame the coaches because that was a hot mess yesterday. Dropping passes like that …absolutely no excuses! This team didn’t fly cross country jet lagged. They were home and well rested.
To me it just speaks of unpreparedness …falls on the coaches imho. And it seems like nothing is being done about it. IF I were running the show the WR coach would have been fired long time ago and these boys would’ve been practicing day and night until they get it right.
If they continue to fail at catching and running simple plays then clean out the bench and tell those asses they’ll be cut in the offseason.
I’m only semi joking
November 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
5 plays to Darren: a dropped pass on a great play-call, a negative run at the end of the game, and 3 four yard runs.
Why do we want to see more of him?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Oh yeah, because Al Davis drafted him 4th!! Great!! Yippieeeeeee
Bruce gets the start and wins, just to continue on making Al Davis look completely stupid.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
you guys give up on 2nd and 3rd year players when u have guys like cedric benson that began tearing it up but wanna keep coaches who are clearly in over their head. cable is the idiot here and al davis is the dummie who lets this continue. cable wears 2 many hats and doesnt manage his personnel right. he also gets away from what we do best too often. lets not forget he sold ronald curry out last year as well.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
i brought that up a week or so ago.if JR feels uncomfortable with the young WRs he should have them out there until dark throwing them as many passes as is necessary to get things right.he is the supposed leader-get their arses out there.i don’t know this for sure,but it seems as he is the one who doesn’t want to be out there(pure speculation on my part).
November 16th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
I tell ya what…I blame James Lofton for all the dropped passes…oh wait!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
So Frye is just the opposite of JaMeatloaf! Nice, lets give Frye some PT.
“He’s a gym rat. He’s always around. He’s always studying. He’s a lot like a coach,” Cable said. “Sunday morning he could really tell you ever detail about everything that’s going on with your offensive lineman to his position. I think we’re really blessed to have him.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
i also believe the crappy environment is wearing on what is a very young team. there is no stability in the organization and we wont truly see what guys canbe until this gets resolved.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Whats worse? Watching the Raiders go through all of this after all these years or watching us fans go over all of it again and again after all these years.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
So what happens if the hard working Frye looks as bad as Jamarcus? Does that mean no matter how hard you work, you still suck because you’re a Raider?
November 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
I know what’s worse…the Browns
Anyone else see Rob Ryan’s D play a decisive goalline play with the 11th guy running on the field way too late? Comical!!!
Good night folks!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Gradkowski, Bush, and Chaz should start. No question.
But….
WE PLAYED AN ENTIRE GAME YESTERDAY WITHOUT ONE MISDIRECTION PLAY!!!
WTF!!!???
November 16th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I’ve stayed away from here because I was overeacting to the loss. But coming in here after the PC by Cable I have to say that there is something very serious going on here. I really believe that Cable has given up on the young QB. I think he has been waiting for an opportunity to play Frye.
I don’t think Buce has a chance to start I think it’s Frye that he wants and has been lobbying for him. I just see something going on that I don’t agree with. It’s been obvious to me for weeks that Russell DOES NOT trust DHB and almost refuses to throw to him. Even when he does he throws it in his area but makes sure the he can’t get it and neither can anyone else. I really believe that Russell has ZERO faith in DHB and is staring to question Cable to some degree.
These benchings are IMO sue to the fact that Russell refuses to throw to him. But Cable srouds that in coach speak and smoke screens it. He knows Russell doesn’t want to go to him because he knows what happened Sunday is very probable if he does. I’ve sat and watched DHB wideopen and Russell HOLD the ball waiting for ZMiller to uncover.
I feel that the coaches are derilect in using these babies to bring along an obvious young QB who has lost his confidence. I’ve read everyone’s comments delineating these same concerns. But Cable and the owner are trying to get Russell to make something they’re doing look better (DHB). Right now Russell is out of sorts because he has no confidence in the people around him……….his fault?…maybe… but it is what it is.
The Raiders IMO have done very little right to bring Russell along. No experienced QB on the sideline to help him grow. No experienced WR to help the young WR’s along.
Lefty12 ask yourself this. All year long Russell has problems throwing to WR’s, as soon as Chaz returns he throws 7 completions in one game to WR’s. Why is that is it a coincidence or is it more confidence in what Chaz and JLH can do?
I think he knows they will make plays and he knew the other guy’s simply will not. All year he has completed balls to the TE and all of a sudden the WR’s are involved? WHY???
November 16th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
For anyone who says that Russell wasn’t at fault….check out this photo in the article of just one of his passes on Sunday. The photo says it all.
YES, DHB should also not get the playing time until he can prove he can catch.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Rob Ryan’s D is actually playing OK. Only really responsible for giving up 7 points tonight. The rest came on a pick-6 and a FG after a pick on Cleveland’s side of the field. And the one game the Browns won was something like 6-3.
If I were in charge of the Browns, I’d bring Schottenheimer back in a second.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
On a positive note Louis Rankin, ran really well for the Seahawks yesterday, broke tackles, it took three or four Cardinals to bring him down
November 16th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
I’ve liked Frye over Grad because he has more upside. I think we may have what we need in Frye. If they start Frye I think Russell benefits and sees what he can do to get better. If Grad starts he look good in stretches and terrible in others. Frye is your typical journeyman QB not really a starter but can caddy for you until you find a guy. Russell needs to hitch his wagon to Frye and learn what Frye has learned since being in the league just how hard you have to work to be at your best. There are no short cuts. Frye will demonstrate what being a starter means.
Frye will add some stability, he is Kyle Orton and will execute the offense and give the defense a chance to win games. But even with Frye we still must be a run first team just have Frye manage the game. In blowouts we can put Russell in and let him stay connected. It worked wonders for Vinve Young as well as others. Russell dfinitely needs to sit and watch. It will make the fans appreciate what he can do. Then they will see the entire problem was not all wrapped up in one man,… Russell.
Let me say this Terrapin was right on point, to bench Russell in this game was a crock and it was a knee jerk reaction to a coach watching his ship sink.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
I actually don’t think there are going to be many job openings this off-season. Alot of the teams that stink already stunk last season (and beyond) and hired new coaches this past off-season that will likely get at least another season.
Really I only see 4 teams that I expect will be looking to hire and other than Washington none of those are slam-dunks. Here are the 4 and who they should hire:
- Buffalo: Holmgren or Shanahan
- Oakland: Gruden or Fassel
- Cleveland: Marty Schottenheimer
- Washington: Bill Cowher
November 16th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Lefty12, if for no other reason I want Russell to sit until you beg for him to get back in. You are without question focusing all your frustration on a struggling QB.
I agree that Russell hasn’t done the requisite things neccessary to be a starter. But if you really think Russell is what’s wrong with this team. You are in for a rude awakening.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Chris in NY, Al Davis must still be running Ryan’s defense because he’s still running the same thing. Still not blitzing heavy still running the same scheme in the secondary.
Huh! I can’t believe it Al Davis runs the Cleveland Brown scheme as well…..He must be a genius!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Oh! another thing Brady Quinn sure looks awesome. What an idiot Al Davis should’ve drafted Him. Look at his six pack!! and he is in such great condition like all great QB’s.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
priesttj Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Oh! another thing Brady Quinn sure looks awesome. What an idiot Al Davis should’ve drafted Him. Look at his six pack!! and he is in such great condition like all great QB’s.
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Quinn does look pretty brutal.
And thanks for pointing out the fact that Russell’s weight issue is ridiculously overhyped. It’s not like he’s playing WR or DB or something and I’ve never seen him gassed on the field. JR’s problems can be found between the ears — not in what’s overlapping his belt.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Has Cable been fired yet?
November 16th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
JR is not bigger than Ben, he is taller, but he is the one being called Fat! look at Ben’s chins!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
JR is not as bad as most people think, and he can be great. The Raiders are not helping him develop. Bad Oline, Bad play calling, and no WR help!
November 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Who would make a better wingman: Big Ben or Steve Phillips? Either way you know all the hotties will still be available after those two guys make their selections.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Chris,
You forgot M Bush.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_13796938
For those who need the comic relief.
November 16th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Russell is being blamed by a lot of fans for how bad we are. I’m sure Al Davis is cool with that. Better Russell than him. Just something to consider when wondering why Russell was drafted…
November 16th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Cable is a joke, I was listening to his post game PC and he literally said we’ll see if we can get Chaz a “LITTLE MORE INVOLVED”!! WHAT?? is he on something?? get Chaz a little more involved possible start?
If Chaz Schilens isn’t starting for this team on SUNDAY….no no on Tuseday morning. Cable should be fired on the spot. He’s out all year long and comes in makes plays for the QB right off the bat. Is cable CRAZY??
We have a 250 lbs. HB wh can run and catch and a running game capable of winning games if HE would USE IT!! A LEGIT WR a great TE and a HB capable of dominating.
And this man says we’ll try to get him more involved. I have grown to the point where Cable has lost me. The playcalling is HORRIBLE! the untiliaztion of the talent we have is questionable. We have been BLOWN OUT repeatedly and have lost to the worst teams in the league. And he says we’ll try to get Chaz a little more involved MAYBE a start.
Alisgod said it first they are FORCING DHB on this team and the fans at the expense of WINS!! It is obvious to me that Cable is the one who pushed to get DHB. There is just tooo much circumstantial evidence. No Walker at all and the constant excuses why he doesn’t play he doesn’t bring in a veteran WR even a guy to help them. His excuses for DHB in today’s PC was absoluely ridiculous and an insult to anyone with a brain. The lies about how many drops for Russell vs Grad and it’s staring to look like his biggest issue with Russell is in DHB’s STATS!! nothing more nothing less he is trying justifying that pick. If he didn’t draft him why this crap? Mr Davis is easy when it somes to speed but I saw Cable’s reaction when asked about DHB and he obviously thinks very highly of him and wants to see him play well. But he’s doing at the rest of the teams expense.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Lots of talk of moving to LA. Hiring Gruden. Has Al exactly come out and denounced any of it? There’s enough buzz to warrant a word or two. As Jerry said, I don’t see gruden coming here for anything less than what he demanded a decade ago. But no doubt Al’s thinking about it. I see the Raiders in LA in a couple of years, yet still rudderless at the HC position. Anyone want to bet like one buck?
November 16th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
The Raiders attendance this year is beyond a joke. I don’t see the king cornholio doing anything to address that, either. 2 for 1 ticket deals? Anything to get fans into the stadium. There’s been nothing. This means for whatever reason, Al’s cool with the low attendance, too. I don’t see the Raiders in Oakland in the future.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Man, watching the news right now and there’s like thousands of people lined up at a high school here in Sacramento to get the swine flu vaccine. I don’t know one single person who’s contracted this yet, or at least anyone who’s been severely disabled or has died from it. Yet everyone is lining up out in the cold to get a shot for this thing. We are a brainless country, I swear. They can make us do anything. The people who run this country have COMPLETE control over our minds. End of story.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Bruce Grad, was put in the game for one reason and one reason only, to get the ball to DHB. Russell refused to do it and was benched as a result. Grad came right in and went to him. For any coach with the any degree of common sense to have his QB go to DHB in the final drive of that game. Was CRAZY!! they wanted desparately to have him win that game and he is the reason we lost……….period. DHB shouldn’t even have been on the field…….period
That final drive should’ve been to ZMiller and CHaz and maybe JLH. Murphy and DHB should’ve been on the bench if not in the lockeroom.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
No longer a legit NFL team.
To much mass dysfunction. Screw all the if DHB or Dmac or Ja. Screw if Cable this or that, poor this, bad that.
This team has gone bizzaro. It is official.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
A lot of people waiting in this line for a swine flu shot are overweight. I’ll bet you less than a handful of them even know their blood pressure. Half of them are probably on pace to have a stroke within 10 years, and they’re worried about catching this flu that merely thousands of people have caught WORLD WIDE! Unbelievable.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
priest, why hasn’t al done anything to address attendance? 2 for 1? Free dog bowl, for fans’ pit bulls? Cable bumaye bobble heads? Anything to get fans into the stadium. Nothing. Why’s al content with this poor attendance? What’s his plan, Priest? I know you know.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
How much worse would we be if we ran the ball 40 times a game? I’m betting we’re 2 games better. 4-5. Still in the wild card hunt. First Raider season since ‘02 where we’re still in business in late November?!?! Again, how much worse could we be? We’ve been able to run the ball on 2 out of every 3 opponents!
November 16th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Cable decides who will start at QB after having a discussion with the quarterbacks?
Cable: ” Okay, I’m thinking of a number between one and ten. Whoever comes closest, gets the start.”
JaMarcus: ” What’s the number?”
Frye:” No, you have to guess the number.”
JaMarcus: “What number?”
Gradkowski: “The number between one and ten.”
JaMarcus: ” Got it. Number ten.”
Cable: “Is that your guess?”
JaMarcus: “Is it right?”
Cable: “No.”
JaMarcus:” Then I pick another one.”
Cable: “Is that your guess?”
JaMarcus:” What is?”
Cable:” Number one? Is that your guess?”
Frye: “Do we get to pick a number? Because I’ve been studying the probability. Here, I’ll show you on this graph…”
Gradkowski:” Yeah, I want to play too.”
Cable:” You can’t. You just pulled your hamstring.”
Gradkowski: “Oh.”
JaMarcus:” I’m number two. I like that number.”
Cable:” Yeah, that’s it. Two. You start against Cincy.”
Frye:”But…”
JaMarcus:” Number two, number two. Gonna make number two…”
November 16th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Junior, rebuilding team. Solid tight end. If we just ran that rock, used play action, either run or play action every down, nice little cross patterns to Miller and if he’s covered whatever receiver’s in one on one? It’s not a 49er offense. We ran it with Stabler in the ’70s, when Bill Walsh was still a purring Bengal! RIP, Bill. I joke..
November 16th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Davis choosing our starting QB is news only to people who think they won the 10 million dollars when the Ed McMahon letter shows up in the mail.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
If he makes a change it will be Frye, I think he’s been lobbying for it for a few weeks. He wants to manage the game and Frye is that type. Also Frye will do his bidding.
This is all about who will get the ball to DHB and has been for a while. Romo basically said on Chronicle Live that he thinks Cable is covering himself. He sold a plan and it has not worked and Russell is the scapegoat. That plan was if we draft DHB he’ll make it work. It hasn’t and Russell is the culprit.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Northern D, I know it’s fun to make jokes mocking Russell’s stupidity. But how stupid is he? Do I need to remind you what he did to Al Davis in August of ‘07? Call him JaMarcus Hustle! Because that’s what he did to your Raiders. Bling, broken english, deep south ebonics slang, done took the Raiders for 40 mil, mang.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
If Al wants his time ran like it was in the dinasour age, why doesn’t he bring in some of the old vets. I’d always hoped Plunkett would been a coach. Where is Lester? Hendricks? Even Howie Long. The list is long. My guess is they would not want to see the wrath of an angry owner at the end of a loosing season. Something must have frightened them as players.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Book smarts and street smarts are equally as powerful. JaMarcus Russell has proven that. Many a well educated bookworms fell prey to Al Davis. Russell, on the other hand, from a poor school system in Louisiana, on a football scholarship at LSU where he probably didn’t attend one academic class, ate Davis’s lunch.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Island Raider, the last thing Al is trying to do is run the Raiders the old way. You mean when he had Ron Wolf, John Madden, Charlie Sumner (none of the above Davis puppets, read Stabler’s book if you think Madden was Davis’s puppet)? Davis used to surround himself with people smarter than him. THAT’S how he did things in the old days. Never mind the deep ball. Al Davis wants to lose, so he can leave Oakland. Al values his independence more than winning. He was born on the 4th of July. He loves his freedom more than he loves the Raiders.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Back in the ’70s Al had people in Oakland he could work with. Some old school, “connected” white guys on Oakland’s city council. In 1995, he came back to modern day Oakland. You saw that councilwoman threatening to roll that Arther Anderson exec down MacArthur if she found out them and the Raiders were running a scam. Of course, they were. But anderson took the fall. Al’s got enough pull to keep himself out of the radar of Oakland’s political wigs, but that’s it. Beyond that, he’s got nobody. ?In fact, al has nobody anywhere. Al was a mobster. Those were his connections. Has anyone ever considered the demise of the Raiders being consistent with the demise of Cosa Nostra? Cosa Nostra started getting cracked good in the ’80s. That’s when the Raiders started to fall apart.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
And now we discuss the dark theorys of conspracy. Why is Ja now the scapegoat. The mysterious hamstring injury to BG. DHB, was he really who Al thought he was, or was it Cable. Dark secrets and messeges in press statements. Underhanded digs. Players saying, ‘you know, upstairs or where ever’. Cable told to bench Ja as a smkoescreen to take the heat off Al for his team. Something very sinister at work here.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Yeh, I discuss conspiracies with the Raiders. Have you considered the alternative? Pretending everything is on the up and up with Al and the Raiders? Gives a whole new meaning to naivety. A discussion on the Raiders hasn’t begun until the conspiracies start being considered.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I’m telling you these guys in here who talk Raiders’ x’s and o’s, which players should play where…honestly look like a group of guys standing around a car and discussing what kind of tires to put on it…while the engine is on fire!
November 16th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
POST #130 KILLS…
November 16th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
It’s like local politics…yuk! Oh my god, I don’t know what’s more interesting, local politics discussions in local paper’s comments sections, or cats screwing by my car.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
RMR, your pretty sharp. No bull. I meant run the team back in the days when they were free swinging, goin all out. Mad bomber style. Had defenses. But it is obvious now he has a different agenda than winning games.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Island Raider, John Madden will be the first to tell you, the lunch box, 9 to 5, hard core football players who put their nose to the grind came FIRST, the going all out, mad bomber, free swinging (on and off the field, baby, yeh!), wild Raiders came after.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
It’s simple IMO we should never have drafted DHB……….period
Cable stubborness to play this kid regardless to what he contributes makes it obvious to me that he either signed off and pushed to get him. 23 mill to a guy that shuldn’t have been drafted in the top two rounds. Last year we drafted a HB 4th overall when we had a star HB healing and a very good journeyman HB. We could’ve drafted another HB late in the first rnd or early second. Fixed the Oline should’ve been the priority. And then the defense. But we draft two speedsters and pay them lots of money. THe worst is DMC, has done NOTHING. We could not afford another player that doesn’t produce. The pick should’ve been the OT if we couldn’t have gotten Brian Cushing. Cushing was my pick by far, and then get Maualuga in the 2nd. I didn’t want a WR…………period. Maybe Murphy where we got him but he should NOT be starting……….period
November 16th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
They had football players, mostly because of Ron Wolf. They’re still in the league. Indy, Pittsburgh,..prove it year after year. The Raiders just don’t have them.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Well, priest, you know who does our drafting.
November 16th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
MR you don’t know your ass from grass, stop talking to me………period
November 16th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
#141 reminds me of a commentary I read where raiders hq was on fire and the staff was ouside watching it burn, waiting to put itself out so they could go back in and get to work. That is the true sad state of a once proud franchise we have today.
The joking I take for being a raider fan doesn’t bother me a bit. We have fun with it and it is all good. Whats discusting is the product they put out there on Sundays.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:00 am
I’m thinking Jerry Brown did a lot to keep Al Davis off the hot seat in Oakland. Jerry’s not in Oakland anymore. Can you think of anyone in Oakland’s brass that Al could call a friend these days? Al is just not in that loop.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:02 am
priest we will argue about dmc forever tho i give u nad respect for c jouhnson. we do n ot use dmc right or enuff to be effective and we needed a legit weapon on offense last year. i do agree about dhb cuz he wasnt a 1rst rounder to me tho the experts claimed he was. iwanted crabtree or harvin maclin. on d mauauluga cush and oline i wanted oher. cable is ajoke and needs to go bigtime.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:02 am
priest, it’s too bad you’re not talking to me. I’ll miss your spot on analysis of this team. The way you can break down a decades’ worth of poor drafting without once mentioning Al’s name. I don’t know what I’ll do without you.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Doesn’t matter who caoches, who gets drafted, traded, signed, relesed. Doesn’t matter. It’s not part of the big picture.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Yes, IR, my burning car analogy was a cheap knockoff of so many articles written about the Raiders’ ongoing disaster, and the cognitive dissonance that’s accompanied it. I’ll cop to that. It’s a can’t miss for bay area writers. Because it’s always true.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:05 am
i also liked ayers who u talked up alot as well. i will say we struck gold with shawny as one of the best defenders in this draft. good against the run and is becoming a force as a rusher. people didnt pay attention to him but he was considered a 2rst -2nd rounder if not for the injuries just like bush was a top 10 back if not for his. we also need to move mitchell ahead of eugene on the depth chart and see what this kid can do.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:06 am
Like writing about politicians stealing. It’s always going on. It’s a good way to get your 15 minutes of fame. It’s also a good way to get a lb. of coke hidden in your closet that the police find before you do.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:08 am
priest u should look at dunlap from florida. 6 6 290 end would look nice with seymour inside.i would like for us to get kampman from GB an dmove sey inside. if we have a shot at suh from nebraska we have to take him. we need to go d heavy and get a power blocking FB next year. ofcourse we need to get olineman as well.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Alright, IslandRaider, since you’re one of the few people who still responds to me in here, I’ll bid you a good evening. I’m out. Keep these guys on their toes. Talk about, Al, Al, Al, till they go nuts! It’s kryptonite to them!
November 17th, 2009 at 12:11 am
It’s a goldmine for writers, comics, late nite talk shows, anylists, etc. Sad but true.
Later!
November 17th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Armond, agree with everything you say. I’m not down on DMC at all. we need him desparately to produce. But Cable is an idiot. It’s obvious o a blind man that we NEED to run the football. Look at the success we had. We should ran for 300+ yards in that game. But he starts throwing down after down eventhough guy’s are dropping passing like it’s a contest.
We need DMC in the mix but IMHO Bush should be the feature back for this team……Fargas when needed and DMC should the homerun hitter. That you work in whereever you canget a mismatch. It’s the perfect scheme and it takes a ton of pressure off the passing game.
Cable said during the Bye week that he had come to that realization and then we get this crap on Sunday. Once the drops started he should’ve scrapped passing and ran to get the win. Especially in that drive in the 4th qrtr qhen Bush was killing them. Why in HELL do you go away from that?
We could’ve scored the TD and played tough defense for the win………..game over!!
November 17th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Armond there are some outstanding DE’s and DT’s in this draft as well as a few god LB’s. This draft will be heavy Oline and Dline. With some very good offesive skill players. UNC has a WR that I would kill to get Greg Little. They also have a FB that’s outstanding.
IMO Taylor Mays is the perfect SLB for this team. he can bulk up to 245 easy at 6′3″ he can cover and would be an outstanding blitzbacker. I also like a WR named David Ausberry on USC.
But Nebraska has 3tech DT that would look very nice in Silver and Black.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:26 am
damn i must be sleepy spellin like that. i have no problem bush gettin work cuz we need to see the best combo right now to be effective. as long as dmc and bush get what they deserve im okay. there will be games where dmc should get 20 carries and bush too. problem is there is no feature back or wr with the way he is doing things and u wonder why russell is confused along with every1. guys need to know their roles so they can just focus on that. then let them naturally develope into what they can become. thats when u start expanding the offense.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:28 am
As I think about it Ohio St’s entire Dline is impressive. It’s a shame we are forced to talk the draft on 11/17 because the coach is a moron.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:31 am
Armond, great post brotha #163, you walk before you run. There are coaches that will give a body part for our HB’s and we don’t use them. Go freakin’ figure!!
Well Adios!! I’m getting tired.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:32 am
priest im glad u mentioned mays at slb cuz i wondered if he would be able to do that. he can cover and he hits like a lb. suh and seymour inside would kill teams up the middle. the 2010 draft is so much deeper than 09 im glad we didnt pick raji and hood cuz we can easily get a few better players than them in the first few rounds. i will say this if we got cushing now and added what we are talking about that d would be setup to dominate right away.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:33 am
peace
November 17th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Word!!
Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who actually knows the game.
Adios!!
November 17th, 2009 at 12:47 am
Priest, I disagree with your idea that Cable absolutely wants DHB to get the ball, irrespective (kind of) of the rest of the offense. That would a be most stupid plan under any circumstances and certainly not be the best way to put the team in a position to win games. Now IF you were correct, then definitely fire Cable today. But I don’t think he desperately wants to defend or prove anything with regards to DHB. If anything we are learning that DHB is scared sh*tless of the ball and probably does not really want it anyway.
But I would agree and say that letting veteran WR Walker rot on the bench is completely incomprehensible for me too.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:16 am
Study material for DHB…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yFP9ZKBzZc
And he was playing for us once. And we squandered him…
November 17th, 2009 at 1:41 am
RIP Ken Ober. MTV’s “Remote Control”, in the ’80s.
November 17th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 2:48 am
If its true that Jmac doesnt “trust” DHB…
Then that MUST mean Jmac is purposely loosing games,imo.Many times DHB has been open in the seams and thats the time when Jmac should throw it 2 him.Sure DHB has dropped passes but the thing that MUST br done is KEEP throwing him da rock.OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.If its true that Jmac does this he needs 2B fired 4 cause.I still think Jmac has all the potential in the world…but this type os sh!t CAN NOT BE TOLERATED,imo
November 17th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Urgh…Priest. I appriciate your comments and am with you most of the way, but I am not sure that Cable is forcing DHB on us. I would be more inclined to think that Al is forcing DHB on Cable. But we’ll never know. In any case SOMETHING is fishy, and all the more fishy considering the lack of playing time for Walker, who can actually catch the ball. Another thing is JLH. He got crushed in the SD game and has not been there at all. He can make plays. Is he gunshy now or just being ignored to boost DBH’s stock?? Please remember that DHB was placed in the starting lineup from DAY ONE! That’s crazy!
JaMarcus does NOT trust DHB and this is killing us! It has to get fixed.
I am not sure about Taylor Mays either. He’s 230 and to ask him to bulk up and play LB sounds like another case of a creating a high draft pick project. Haven’t we had enough of those??
November 17th, 2009 at 2:51 am
Jmac…I dont like you Darius so I’mama notta gonna let you play with my football
DHB…It is what it is
November 17th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Did DHB attend JaMarcus’ BBQ and Ball one week camp?
November 17th, 2009 at 3:03 am
DHB needs to catch the damn ball.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Of course Cable is a moron look at his coaching record but only 1 NFL team would hire him wild guess which one. So where are all the Dilfer and Carter haters or is DHB still gonna make them eat their words. Terrapin so you giving up on you’re boy and are gonna tell us Russell is a franchise QB ha ha ha yeah those balls 15 feet high should be caught.
November 17th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Please no more combine for us watch college film what does running in shorts and no pads mean just a lotta freaks who can’t run but don’t know football maybe thats why DHB scored a whopping 7 TD at Maryland I don’t care who the QB is.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:26 am
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November 17th, 2009 at 4:38 am
priest
“If he makes a change it will be Frye, I think he’s been lobbying for it for a few weeks. He wants to manage the game and Frye is that type. Also Frye will do his bidding.
This is all about who will get the ball to DHB and has been for a while. Romo basically said on Chronicle Live that he thinks Cable is covering himself. He sold a plan and it has not worked and Russell is the scapegoat”
I think Davis liked Frye…and for some reason, Gradkowski was designated the backup. DHB isnt quite ready to be an NFL receiver just yet..way too nervous and trying to hard at this point…I still cant believe Kenny Britt, Hakeem Nicks, Jeremy Maclin and Percy Harvin were passed up AND, if you remember we missed on DeSean Jackson because we traded that pick for
DeAngelo Hall … unreal.
November 17th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Offensive evaluation for Sundays game. Not great…
Offense: The Silver and the Black
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
November 17th, 2009 at 5:12 am
I smell BS with the supposed Gradkowski injury. How convenient.
I dunno, i have a feeling Al will tell or has told Cable that Frye will be the starter IF he agrees to letting Russell sit. Cos Al really loves Frye.
I like Frye and Gradkowski. Either of those two as 1-2 and Russell inactive would be what I would do. See how Russell can handle that—whether it crushes his confidence, whether he fights to be better.
November 17th, 2009 at 5:25 am
Jmac just needs 2 step back and Relax and watch.All our young guys are TRYING WAAAAAY 2 HARD,imo.Especially DHB…he’s the kind of guy that got the big pay sohe wants 2 PLAY GREAT.IT will come
November 17th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
As the world turns, I guess!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 6:01 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FANS,4EVA ,HWNDR,A SAD DAY WHEN THE NATION LOOK’S TO GRADKOWSKI AS A STEP UP…
November 17th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Yup! A sad day when the Nation looks to what if’s and remember when’s! I like the new slogans of where were you when and where you going to be when…?
I know where I was, but where will I be?
November 17th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Post #182: I like that Raidernation blog, I’ve read around a bit. But why is there no date showing when an article was written? I think that would be helpful to know.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Morning Hwnrdr and Dirt-Lot…
Hwnrdr is that a trick question???lol
Dirt-Lot hope you are feeling better!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Well, this was supposed to be the year where…wait…what is this year supposed to be? Where will I be when the Raiders turn the corner? Wait, I know where I was when Super Pidgeon was on the field! LOL
November 17th, 2009 at 6:26 am
lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 6:28 am
AM GOING TO LIVE 4EVA,TO THE DISMAY OF MANY !! THANK’S.THESE GAME’S R JUST SO HARD TO WATCH.U JUST DO NOT THINK ANY TEAM CAN BE THIS CONSISTANTLY BAD,IT IS ALMOST LIKE RUNNING DOWN HILL.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:32 am
I hear ya, Dirt Lot! The “Keystone Cops” episode I watched on Sunday…wait…that was the Defense trying to pick up a fumble! Ok, ok…but that was running and actually falling down hill. It can only get better, right?
November 17th, 2009 at 6:37 am
ANNOUNC’D CROWD OF 40K + HWNDR,DID THEY COUNT SEAGULL’S ALSO ?
November 17th, 2009 at 6:41 am
You know guys…I hate to be critical, nor do I ever boo anyone on the team or the team itself. IMO, that would not be right as a life long Raider fan to do. However, every week I try to find the positives in a game, even if we lose. This week, I couldn’t. Every time I think of one, I think of why it was inconsistent and it shoots it down. The last 2 post of mine, yeah, I was trying to funny, but many who are with the AM crew know that it was also uncharacteristic of me! EX: Russell thre a perfect pass to DHB…drop! Next play, Russell threw a perfect thrown pass that was caught…tripping penalty/negate! Someone help me out here…besides Bush’s 60 yarder, was there anything else?
November 17th, 2009 at 6:42 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
November 17th, 2009 at 6:37 am
ANNOUNC’D CROWD OF 40K + HWNDR,DID THEY COUNT SEAGULL’S ALSO ?
Yeah, that was part of the 40K! Haha! Some of them were actually in seats…LMAO!
November 17th, 2009 at 6:45 am
NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TRUTH HWNDR,DOES NOT MEAN U R NOT A FAN OR DISLOYAL (IF THAT IS A WORD)
November 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Imo there are certain posters on here who are deliberately here to try to disseminate false info, shills trying to make it out like it’s all cable’s fault, or other ludicrous ideas like cable wants to get DHB the ball why Russell was benched. All to try to deflect blame from Al.
Al clearly drafted who was drafted for the same reasons he always drafted these types. And has insisted they be all started. Cable isnt a good coach, but his hands are tied and he’s only here to be a shill and do Al’s deeds. He’s fighting Al now, like Kiffin before him. Frustrated by Al’s insanity.
Cable will be another scapegoat for Al…which is his character, he always does it. Al is all smoke and mirrors and BS propaganda and PC intimidation.
November 17th, 2009 at 6:53 am
What up NATION???????
You guys better not question anything, or the “professional bloggers” will call you disloyal,
and question your fanhood…
November 17th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Hwnrdr…a GREAT THING HAPPENED at the game.Jmac was pulled out of the game so maybe he can pull his head out of where ever it is and puy it in the right place so he can assume his rightfull place
November 17th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Thanks guys!
GG, always enjoyed your posts on Raiderfans! You kept it real and Bob didn’t like it (I’m guessing)!
Thec07: That is why I love the AM!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Priest..you are a tool.
So its Cable who wants DHB to start? Not Al?
Al drafted this kid..Al his telling Cable who plays.
NO..Cable makes all the calls?
You are an idiot
November 17th, 2009 at 7:00 am
4eva: Yeah, but that could be looked at in two different ways…He probably could have come back and make a play like he did in week 2, or he could have gotten an int by a forced throw or a fumble! It is what it is, though. He does need to pull his head out of you know what and start to be the leader that is clearly needed on this team!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Thanks Hwnrdr.
Always a great compliment to be remembered fondly by fellow posters.
I have great admiration for all Raider posters here, and those spread out to all the billion message boards that now exist.
We are all blood brothers brought more and more together thru suffering Al and all gradually coming round to the truth.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Cable must go!
November 17th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Priest..you are a tool.
So its Cable who wants DHB to start? Not Al?
Al drafted this kid..Al his telling Cable who plays.
NO..Cable makes all the calls?
You are an idiot.
——
He’s a shill. A plant to disseminate lies, doing Al’s deeds. Like some radio jocks out there etc. The way the NorCal fans are being treated and have been treated is shameful.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Mr. Davis must retire, cable needs to be demoted line coach….
trask
herrea
taylor
All need to find a new franchise to plunder…
November 17th, 2009 at 7:08 am
I have some respect for preist, but the way he spins stuff makes you wonder if he works for the org.
How can you spin BRL coming into camp fat?
November 17th, 2009 at 7:17 am
I wouldnt be surprised if it was Al himself, the way he was talking the other night to me about the old days. Just sounds so much like Al. Or at least some old cronie same age as Al who is in his inner circle.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:20 am
It would not suprise me one bit…. cronies and technology not a good mix…
November 17th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Just too obvious. The propaganda machine always at work, reading thru his posts. There’s some illness inside RaidersOrg, the way the cronies rally so hard spreading lies, trying to influence minds, etc.
It’s just amazing whenever you come across Al or his cronies how DELUDED they really are, they really believe their own hype, never smell their own stink, re-write history, and always feeding the megalomania that Al breeds.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:27 am
LMFAO
You guys OBVIOUSLY have not heard Priest on the radio.
Dude is by FAR the biggest fan I’ve come across.
Sorta like the parent of the guy on death row.
“that’s my baby!”
Priest is cool, man!
November 17th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Face it folks. Al’s “Just Win Baby” means “just win my way baby”. No quality coach will implement his antiquated style of football. NO ONE! So we get athletes who need to be coached up but no decent coaches to coach them. This all squarely falls on Al. The other day I was at Circle K wearing my Raider shirt and the guy ask me,with a smug grin, “Uh, ha ha,your a Raider fan? I told him no. I’m just looking for some s**t. Took that grin off his face real quick.
Bitterness is seting in.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Good Day to you all, Nation!!!
Catch you guys here tomorrow in the AM!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 7:30 am
U2 Hwnrdr Bro
November 17th, 2009 at 7:31 am
He’s a cronie. It’s like how the government creates conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theory groups or plants inside legit conspiracy theory groups, whose aim is to come up with even wilder stupider theories just so people can be influenced to discredit all the theories as garbage, and therefore not see the truth.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Ok, had to answer to QC:
Anyone asks me if I’m a Raider fan…I do say “yes” with pride!!! Not a bandwagoner, been a fan for 35 years and will always be one! Not dogging you, I feel your pain, but…I always represent!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Anyway, Mornin’ folks!
Do you guys remember when Jerry was talking about Russell, Grads, and Frye all being on the side this summer, and Hackett was grilling them on plays, and checks outta those plays?
Jerry CLEARLY said how Russell was the “pretty good” at that.
Now we all saw the game, and I’m just really trying to focus on who Cable seems to think was running wide open? Most of us are here talking about accuracy or drops, but Cable is talking about Russell making the wrong reads and other guys being open.
Hmmmmm!
That HAS to be DHB!
Russell threw the ball to EVERYONE else from JLH, to Chaz, and Murphy. Miller was being kept in to block, so who else are we talking about?
Cable benched Russell because of 2 bad reads and not 2 bad throws?
Translation = Cable not happy with Russell not throwing the ball to DHB.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Same Hwnrdr…always represent, always proud to be a fan, etc, am a Raiders fan not a Davis fan. Davis is not the raiders. No matter how much he might think he is, it took thousands of people, genuine collaborators etc that made “the raiders”. At some point too, Al ceased genuinely caring about the raiders itself–the football team and the fans. He betrayed the very thing he owns. Like Judas kissing Jesus.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Anyway, Im out too. Gotta do stuff. Peace all. Will be back to read everyone’s thoughts on stuff.
November 17th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I just don’t see how this is Al Davis’ fault.
Sorry!
Using Gruden and Kiffin as examples, Cable doesn’t have a plan! Cable’s “so called” plan is to try and impress Al Davis.
Davis is sitting in the skybox drooling, man! Davis doesn’t come down to the practice field anymore! Cable has the keys to this, and is BLOWING IT!
It’s CABLE who decided to change the playbook. It’s Cable who chooses the starting lineups each week. He can bench Huff and McFadden, but not Russell and DHB? All of them were top 10 picks by Al Davis!
Anf like I said, if Cable is WEAK enough to be scared of justifying HIS playcalling or personell moves to AL Davis on Monday morning, then he has NO bahlls, and is NOT the leader of this team.
A 2nd year QB should be the leader of the team? Sorry, IMO, it should be the HC!
November 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am
As a die hard Raider fan I would like to send a special thanks to the Cleveland Browns for bieng there for us during these hard times. Thank you Mangini and Quinn for keeping us company down here.
November 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Honestly, I’d take Quinn over Jamarcus right now. I’d base my decision on attitude and game speed. Jamarcus plays slow, hangs on to the football for to long and misses everything, at least Quinn is going 100mph and missing everything. And the attitude part, well at least Quinn was not sitting on the bench thinking about breakfast after his second int…
November 17th, 2009 at 8:30 am
priesttj Says:
November 17th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Word!!
WHAT HE
SAID:
Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who actually knows the game.
Adios!!
MEANT:
WHAT HE
Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who suks up to me
L-A-M-B-E 
November 17th, 2009 at 9:03 am
los raiders de don rober Says:
November 17th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Honestly, I’d take Quinn over Jamarcus right now.
____________________
Give Russell Quinn’s brains and heart and then you might have a player.
November 17th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Did Jerry say, “EUGENE?”
garbage
November 17th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Let’s use Branch on punt reurns and try DHB on kickoffs.
November 17th, 2009 at 9:08 am
“The Warriors learned Monday that swingman Kelenna Azubuike is out for the season and that guard C.J. Watson tested positive for swine flu”
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
A lot of people waiting in this line for a swine flu shot are overweight. I’ll bet you less than a handful of them even know their blood pressure. Half of them are probably on pace to have a stroke within 10 years, and they’re worried about catching this flu that merely thousands of people have caught WORLD WIDE! Unbelievable.
November 17th, 2009 at 9:14 am
# Trolls 35 Raiders 0 Says:
November 17th, 2009 at 8:30 am
priesttj Says:
November 17th, 2009 at 12:34 am
Word!!
WHAT HE
SAID:
Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who actually knows the game.
Adios!!
MEANT:
WHAT HE
Talk to u later Armond nice to have someone who suks up to me
L-A-M-B-E 
=====================
PriestTammiJoe=Lame=redundant.
If you don’t ruffle priests sensitive ID, you’re “knowledgeable”.
If you call him out for any one of his numerous head up ass comments..he’s “I don’t wanna pway”.
November 17th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Let’s try Tom Cable as water boy and let Tolner run the offense.
November 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
dhb=Drops Hella Balls lol
November 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
# jhill Says:
November 17th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I just don’t see how this is Al Davis’ fault.
Sorry!
Using Gruden and Kiffin as examples, Cable doesn’t have a plan! Cable’s “so called” plan is to try and impress Al Davis.
Davis is sitting in the skybox drooling, man! Davis doesn’t come down to the practice field anymore! Cable has the keys to this, and is BLOWING IT!
It’s CABLE who decided to change the playbook. It’s Cable who chooses the starting lineups each week. He can bench Huff and McFadden, but not Russell and DHB? All of them were top 10 picks by Al Davis!
Anf like I said, if Cable is WEAK enough to be scared of justifying HIS playcalling or personell moves to AL Davis on Monday morning, then he has NO bahlls, and is NOT the leader of this team.
A 2nd year QB should be the leader of the team? Sorry, IMO, it should be the HC!
============================
Not Al’s fault?
How so?
Not COMPLETELY Al’s fault..sure..but he’s got his hand in the cookie jar, and controls who gets what cookie, right?
If what numerous prior players report is true, Al’s only decrease in involvement is his notorious golf cart trips out to the middle of the field to give an impromptu coaching lesson.
Why do you believe he has say over anyone being benched?
All I see is someone who waffles on decision making, waiting for someone to tell him exactly what “his” decision will be.
Cable is the master puppet, but even drooling in his box, Al is still the puppeteer.
Honestly, Cable comes across as being just slightly more intelligent than Pinocchio..all apologies to Pinoc..
November 17th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I have to be a pretty special guy to be professional athlete and STILL be overweight.
How is that possible?
Most of us try and get a good hour a day of some physical exercise and tend to stay in some sort of presentable shape.
I could just imagine myself getting going through the workouts these guys do everyday. I think I could say with some confidence that I would at least not be fat.
Russell, Sands, Cornbread, Big Baby Davis, and all these guys.
How the heck is it possible?
November 17th, 2009 at 9:26 am
los raiders de don rober Says:
November 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am
As a die hard Raider fan I would like to send a special thanks to the Cleveland Browns for bieng there for us during these hard times. Thank you Mangini and Quinn for keeping us company down here.
***************************************
LMAO!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Richochet,
You and I know the obvious about Al Davis. But I have to imagine if you were coaching the team, things would be different. I just don’t know how to day it any other way. Might I get fired? For winning? Or at least losing the right way? I think I’d take my chances with getting fired my way than Al’s. Which is why I use Kiffin and Gruden as examples.
Moreso than I think Al is a puppet, I think Cable is doing what he THINKS (and he’s probably right) Al wants to see. Why not start JLH and Chaz, and use DHB A LOT in the slot and on reverses? Those things would still make Al look good with DHB getting better opportunites against LBs, Ss, or Nickle corners. To just line the guy up and run him down the field is DUMB! Al talked up JLH and Schillens so I can’t see him being mad at them still succeding.
You’re probably right though. But I stand by the fact that Cable is clueless and has ZERO bahlls!
November 17th, 2009 at 9:32 am
damn my spelling is awful today. super fat finger syndrome!
November 17th, 2009 at 9:33 am
There is plenty of blame to go around for the past seven seasons.
Bad luck: Gannon injury, Bad calls by the refs
Poor Coaching: Shell and Cable
Poor ownership: Horrible FA signings, inability to hire a decent coach, poor draft picks
Poor play: Underperformers too numerous to list
Bad publicity: The Kiffin, Cable, Moss, Sapp debacles
Al is the chef of this schit salad, so he is ultimately to blame and I can’t wait for him to be out of the picture, but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.
So, you have to just hope they fix what they can…starting with the coach.
If Al can somehow hire a legit coaching staff (long shot I know) then maybe some of the players will start playing up to their potential and maybe some of the grime will be washed away from the franchise so that in the future, Oakland will become a place where players want to come again, not a place where players go to watch the death of their careers.
A lot of maybes, but that is about as positive I can be right now.
Al, first thing first…Cable should be fired within 10 seconds of the end of the season. And you can’t “for cause” his azz otherwise you hurt your ability to hire a decent coaching staff to replace Cable and the clowns.
Hire a coach and empower him to run his team. The players will never respect a coach that they know has to suck your balls every time he wants to make a change to the lineup.
November 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Some Raider fans are hoping for Al to pull a 180 and somehow find the next Ron Wolf and Tom Flores…I am hoping for 200 yds from our passing offense, not much you say eh? well during the Cable’s tenure we’ve past the 200 marker just 4 times in 21 games.
November 17th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Pulling your starting QB when you are only 6 points down at home to KC?
When you are developing a QB and lets face it QB for the Raiders is a crisis management position.
If he does not play in these situations you are giving up on developing him.
That means the guy that goes in should win that game.
That way you can say I did it for the sake of the team.
When that guy does not do any better and you lose the game anyway you have blown the game and a good chance for your young QB to work through a winnable game.
Why would Cable leave JR in when the games are at blowout stage but pull him when we are in a good position to win?
Stupid Coach…who has never developed anything more than a Z-blocking Guard in his career.
You might as well let the booing knob in my section coach the team.
November 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
How many games have we been close to winning going into the last 10 minutes this year?
Where is our QB on the bench.
Yup that’s how Dungy handled P.Manning.
That’s not M.Harrison and R. Wayne running routes out there.
As Gradikoski found out.
Clang, Penalty, Clang, Penalty.
November 22nd, 2011 at 7:08 pm
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