Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, November 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes from the Raiders’ 20-17 win over the Cincinnati Bengals at Coliseum:
– Nice timing for the Raiders to pull out miraculous win on the day they dedicated to Marquis Cooper, their former teammate lost at sea March 1 and presumed dead.
In attendance was Cooper’s widow Rebekah, 3-year-old daughter Delaney and mother Donna.
Fitting that the Raiders would win on a special teams play, with rookie Brandon Myers with a strip and recovery of Andre Caldwell to set up Sebastian Janikowski’s 33-yard field goal as the Raiders scored 10 points in a span of 18 seconds.
“He (Cooper) caused the fumble. That was unbelievable. His wife was here and his daughter was here. Before the game his 4-year-old daughter said she was excited to watch the game. She said, ‘I get to see my daddy play!,’ linebacker Sam Williams said. “Man. I just spread the word and everybody felt the emotions of that. It was special.”
– Wide receiver Louis Murphy scored his first touchdown since a 57-yard, fourth-and-14 strike from JaMarcus Russell in Week 1 against San Diego.
He even got to feel as he did when an earlier score was reversed when a replay official said he didn’t have possession.
“I was like, `Oh, man, here we go again,’ ” Murphy said. “This time, there was no issue about catching the ball, only if Murphy had crossed the goal line. The touchdown stood.
“I was in the slot, and I had a seam up in there,” Murphy said. “If it’s Cover 2 I was supposed to go across the middle. If it’s Cover 1 I just stay up the seam. It was Cover 1 and I stayed up the seam. Bruce (Gradkowski) did a back-shoulder throw, we’ve been practicing it all week, and it was a successful play.”
– The storyline for this win ought to include the defense as much as it does Gradkowski and the improbable final minute. Read why in my Web exclusive column.
– The Raiders had just three penalties for 13 yards, but one looked as if it would be costly when Stanford Routt was called for roughing the passer on third-and-6 when his helmet collided with the helmet of Carson Palmer.
With first and goal at the 3, Thomas Howard dropped Brian Leonard for a 2-yard loss, Leonard ran four yards to the 1, and then Routt atoned for his mistake with an 18-yard sack of a confused Palmer.
“That’s why I didn’t even know how to take him down the second time,” Routt said. “I just took him down as softly as I could.”
Cincinnati came away with no points when Shayne Graham missed a 37-yard field goal.
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha said the blitz was one of many tendency-breaking calls from defensive coordinator John Marshall.
Asomugha said Marshall has been blitzing more of late, but the Raiders haven’t been getting often enough for the results to be noticed.
– Most noticeable difference between Gradkowski and JaMarcus Russell came on the 29-yard touchdodwn strike to Murphy. Gradkowski went through a progression, started off looking to his right, then came back to find Murphy open on the left.
– Word of the day came from Murphy when asked about Gradkowski _ punctual.
“It was a great approach. This week, he was full of energy,” Murphy said. “He commanded the huddle, and he was punctual, and he was ready for the Bengals . . . he said that we’re gonna continue to try to just move the ball and try to get first downs. Nothing too big, just move the chains. So that’s what we did.”
– Gradkowski doubled the Raiders season total of touchdown passes from two to four. No new receivers involved, however, Murphy and Zach Miller have two each.
Only four completions were two wide receivers, but they were all important. Two went to Chaz Schilens for 41 yards, including a fourth–and-10 16-yard catch on the final drive, the touchdown to Murphy and a 7-yard third down conversion to Darrius Heyward-Bey on a drive that led to Sebastian Janikowski’s 52-yard field goal.
“It seems to me like he has a good grip of the defenses and where to get the ball to,” Schilens said. “We just didn’t beat ourselves, so that’s the most important thing. Beating ourselves with turnovers and things, that’s a quick way to lose a game. So we hung in there. It wasn’t pretty in the beginning but we hung in there, hung in there and pulled through.”
Heyward-Bey was targeted six times and had the one reception. He also had an early drop which brought out the boos.
– Coach Tom Cable drew some boos when he ordered a Shane Lechler punt on fourth-and-1 from the Oakland 47-yard line while trailing 17-10 with 7:50 to play. Justin Fargas had been stuffed on a third-and-1, and Lechler came in and punted the Bengals back to the 10-yard line.
“I felt like we just kind of got out of whack there on the third down play,” Cable said. “The defense, you noticed, we had really gotten some stops even gave up a couple big plays but we were able to stop them after the big plays in the second half so I was pretty confident we’d get a second chance at the end there.”
– After the Gradkowski-to-Murphy touchdown, rookie Brandon Myers delivered the game-winning play on a strip and fumble recover against Andre Caldwell, allowing Janikowski to convert a 33-yard field goal with 12 seconds left.
“I was on the backside and was trying to chase him down. I saw he was going to reverse field and kind had the ball out here to the side a little bit and I tried to make a play and it happened,” Myers said. “It all happened so fast. I didn’t really realize what happened until I got up but it was definitely exciting.”
– So much for Chad Ochocinco talking up a storm against Nnamdi Asomugha.
“He never opened his mouth,” Asomugha said.
Ochocinco, however, did open his mouth with the coaching staff. In the coaches booth next to the press box, a Bengals coach could be heard after an early series talking to “Chad,” telling him to quit waving cornebacks closer and to stay under control.
Ochocinco finished with four catches for 67 yards with just one reception for 12 yards in the fourth quarter. He caught one pass against Asomugha on a dig route, which Asomugha saying afterward he thought Ochocinco had pushed off.
“Nnamdi’s the best in the game. Hands down,” Ochocinco said. “He will always be until someone goes at him on a consistent basis. It seems no one tries to. Not even us.”
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November 22nd, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Yup!
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
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And you guys think Gradkowski is going to somehow remedy a completely rotten organization! And don’t give me this nonsense that you never expected him to be “great”, and you just want him to be better than Russell. Since when was that the goal of an NFL team? To be better than the previous qb? Never mind if he loses, just as long as he’s not as bad as the black guy with the beanie? Unbelievable. Again, I blame Al, for allowing this mutiny to grow into what it is. The Raiders are a joke. The Raider Nation is an even more pathetic joke. But celebrate today’s birthday gift.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
aig Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Grad Stats in college,
2004 70.2% 27TD 8int
2005 62.3% 29td 12int
Russell
2004 50.7 9td 4 int
2005 60.5 15td 9 int
2006 67.8 28td 8int
oh btw, the SEC is the most overrated conf in the country. I’m an Ole Miss fan. Name me a few of the SEC QB’s that have gone on to have success in the nfl in the past 10 yrs. The only time they had to play a tough game is within their conf vs 1 or 2 top teams. When they play outside the conf, they schedule nobody to pad their stats.
JR has never been known as an accurate passer. No one at the scouting combine ever said it and no one at the pro level ever said it.
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So Russell completed 68% of his passes as a junior in the SEC, and Grads completes 70% of his passes as a junior at Toledo and you’re telling me that 2% difference means what now?
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
The way you guys merely want Gradkowski to be better than Russell, paying no mind to the actual results, kind of make me think of Archie Bunker. I can just see you guys, watching the t.v. with your slacks unbuttoned to make room for the beer and cabbage, “Come on Grad, one touchdown to go and the colored guy eats crow!!”.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Again, my predictions, if any of you want to throw in.
4-12.
Cable and “Grads” both gone after this year.
“Grads” doesn’t start anywhere again, ever, after this season.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:43 pm
# aig Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Jhill and 16,
here is one thing you guys miss. The most important stat for the QB positioin is not the numbers but really the stat between the ears of the QB. Leadership is extremely important. JR doesnt have it. Cutler doesnt have it. Jeff George doesnt have it. They all got big arms but they aint got no leadership skills.
Moreover you didnt see balls land at the feet of our RB’s or TE’s today on those dumpoffs.
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you didnt see it in the eagles game either and in the 2nd kc game he had about 3 or 4 bad throws and i saw grad have about that many today and i dont understand why all these grown men need to be told “you can do it” you cant blame the qb when other players do something wrong because you want the qb to yell at them if anything the coach should tell them what they did wrong
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:44 pm
But then again, you guys don’t care about the final record or if Gradkowski ever plays again after this year. You only care that his stats are a hair better than Russell’s.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Marquis !!!!!!!!!!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:45 pm
MY!!! see what a decent Quarterback can do…what if we had a really good QB..??…
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Repost…
# bdapprich Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 pm
dont forget bengals have a good defense. they are the number 2 sead in afc going into today. no one has hung a lot of yards on them this year. grad was respectable.
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Actually, the Bengals are below the middle of the league against the pass. They are giving up and average of 231 yards per game passing.
The Bengals are 2nd in the NFL against the RUN only giving up 83 yards per game.
They are also 2nd overall because they are only giving up 16 points per game.
So Gradkowski was below average throwing the ball against the Bengals, but they had 92 yards rushing and scored 20 points.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Jhill,
My point was Russell had only 1 good season and that was it. As an older guy I have learned that you look at a guy’s track record over the years and you can tell what kind of person he is. Look at his td to int ratio the years before and look at his td to int ratio now. Other than that 1 year, it’s pretty consistent.
The bottomline is I am nothing but a fan making comments. I rest my case on comments from Murphy and Schilens above. I think those 2 comments kinda nailed it for me. Have we heard about those comments regarding Russell at anytime that he has been a Raider starter?
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Gradkowski is hardly decent. Check his stats. He was awful today.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Alicia Keys is HOT!
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:53 pm
17 for 34, 183 yards, 2 turnovers that were his fault, and 2 TDs that were handed to him. That’s only “decent” by Raider fan standards.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
16,
because you are 16, you have not learned to appreciate nor realize what people’s jobs are. There are jobs that require you to shut up and do your job. There are jobs that require you to motivate the people around you. The QB position is a position of leadership. Trent Dilfer is the only QB I can think of that has won a SB that does not have leadership quality.
here is a quick test for you. Most of the current great teams in the league, do they have lazy and quiet QB’s or do they have strong personality QB’s that lead their team?
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
You see the highlights on nfl network a minute ago?
What a beautiful pass to Murphy, looked one way, PUMP FAKED, than a perfectly thrown and perfectly timed pass to a single-covered Murphy.
Perfectly executed.
Punctual, lol
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Jhill and 16,
here is one thing you guys miss. The most important stat for the QB positioin is not the numbers but really the stat between the ears of the QB. Leadership is extremely important. JR doesnt have it. Cutler doesnt have it. Jeff George doesnt have it. They all got big arms but they aint got no leadership skills.
Moreover you didnt see balls land at the feet of our RB’s or TE’s today on those dumpoffs.
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I just don’t know how else to say it. Once again, I agree that Russell is immature, and not ready to lead an NFL team.
But just because Russell wasn’t leading the offense to me in and of itself doesn’t make it all of a sudden better. The offense was unimpressive to me today, but DESPITE the offense being in-ept for 98% of the game, the TEAM found a way to win.
Under 100 yds rushing, under 200 yds passing, 2 turnovers, and the QB completing 50% of his passes. The offensive problems have NOT been solved.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 pm
92 yards rushing. A run threat like that, and Gradkowski can only take advantage of it with 17 completions? JaMarcus Russell….without the beanie. And face it, that’s what all of you really wanted, anyway.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:53 pm
17 for 34, 183 yards, 2 turnovers that were his fault
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But I’m sure if it was Jamarcus you would blame the center for the snap and pass-protection for the int, right?
I’ve never heard you say anything on the field was ever Jamarcus’ fault. Always Al to blame, and Cable, and the play-calling and the rookie WR.
But not Bruce, it’s HIS FAULT!!
Your act is tired. Call it a night
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
vegas raider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
You see the highlights on nfl network a minute ago?
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Nope, I was watching Alicia Keys perform the NY song.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Vegas, cincy was playing soft. He wasnt in single coverage. He was underneath the cb, who was playing between him and the end zone. Either you intentionally left that out, or you need to learn how to watch football.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
russell didnt get a lot of time with chaz i dont want to defend him too much but a team cant double chaz and miller i want to see how russell does with this starting lineup and this play calling until then i withhold my judgement because the last time the play calling was like this russell won and these were his stats
68.2 17 28 224 8.0 86 2
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Vegas,
isnt it nice to see that for once this season, we can throw the ball the way the play is designed….backshoulder and let your big WR fight for it?
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:58 pm
The defense won this game don’t get it twisted. The QB just did his job nothing really special. The coach said that Russell could npot have gotten that last TD. Well what did he do vs KC and SD.
16 is right and so is Jhill we’re making way too much out of what Grads did he was OK nothing special. That comparison between Grads and Russell from Jerry is full of crap as well. I’ve seen Russell play extremely well and go through his processions and make plays. He just desn’t do it consistently. I’ve sen Russell make some outstanding throws last week he made two great throws back to back. It’s not that hye doesn’t do it. He’s NOT consistent is all there is………..period
Also I definitely believe if Chaz Schilens had been playing all year long that Russell would’ve had a pretty decent season and a lot less chance he ever gets benched. When the Nick Miller the DB killer and Chaz and JLH and Murphy are a year older and even DHB is ready to play. I think Russell shows much better. This year he had to rely on two guy’s not ready to play and got into some bad ways. Next year is different.
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm
24 carries today, 4 away from our SEASON LOW.
Only 3 other games did we have less carriers this year, and 6 GAMES WE HAD MORE.
But yes this great “run threat” we had today that supported Bruce. It had nothing today with OUR SEASON HIGH IN COMPLETIONS AND TOUCHDOWN PASSES!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
vegas raider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
You see the highlights on nfl network a minute ago?
What a beautiful pass to Murphy, looked one way, PUMP FAKED, than a perfectly thrown and perfectly timed pass to a single-covered Murphy.
Perfectly executed.
Punctual, lol
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The best thing about that pass was that it was to Murphy. Gradkowski and Russell both threw beautiful passes to DHB last week that were dropped, lol!
Again, props to Cable for not putting DHB in that situation again.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I always thought single-coverage ment there was only one guy covering him, but if you won’t to stretch the term into your realm of stupidity go for it.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
16,
you should really give it up kid. Until Russell learns to work real hard during the week and offseason to prepare for the games, he will never realize his potential. If you live long enough, hopefully one day you will also learn that potential is nothing if you dont put the time and effort in to realize those potential.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:00 pm
And I’m sure if Russell was playing, you’d blame the center for muffing the snap and not Russell, Vegas. Nothing worse than a notorious hypocrite trying to call others on it. You call it a night. Go to your sky suite at the Palms.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Vegas Raider, nice try with the highlight. You know it was against a prevent. But I don’t blame you for lying to these idiots. It usually works. I just have too much of a conscience. If I don’t tell them the truth, who will?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Truth is the Russell haters will not relent. But Grad at his best can’t carry Russell’s jock. Once Russell is on top of his game………and one day real soon he will be.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
aig wasnt it you who said it was the olines fault for the pick
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
If DHB was smart he would seek out Robert Meachem down here in New Orleans this off-season.
Meachem was the Saints 1st rnd pick a couple years ago. He was the only 1st rnder that year who was inactive for all 16 regular season games.
Year two for Meachem didn’t produce much either. He had very limited playing time due to not knowing the playbook.
Something clicked for him this summer in training camp and now he is a major part of what the Saints are doing this year.
DHB needs to hang out with Meachem sometime this offseason.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
C’mon priest, you and I know that until JR puts in the effort to prepare for the games he will never realize his potential. There’s more to just throwing the ball. Reading the D, audible and know your reads are just as important and we can both agree that JR is not there. I sincerely hope he is there in a year or 2.
Grad is no probowler but he is not a liability like JR either.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Vegas Raider, nice try. We didn’t have the ball for that long today, which would explain the low run attempts. I don’t have the stats handy but I’ll bet you we had a higher run to pass ratio today than we’ve had in previous weeks. We only threw the ball 34 times as well. VegasRaider, you’re a pathetic liar. You’re hoping people in here are stupid enough to believe you. In that sense, you insult Raider fans far more than I do. You think these guys are idiots!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm
aig read this
russell didnt get a lot of time with chaz i dont want to defend him too much but a team cant double chaz and miller i want to see how russell does with this starting lineup and this play calling until then i withhold my judgement because the last time the play calling was like this russell won and these were his stats
cmpl% cmpl att yrds avg lng int td
68.2 17 28 224 8.0 86 2 1
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm
16,
Grad had connected most of the times when his receivers were open today. If he had 1 more sec, he would have connected to Murhpy. But the play didnt happen so we’ll never know.
On the other hand, I do know that JR had missed Murphy on the exact route in the first KC game and with Watkins in the Jets game. Both times he threw to the wrong shoulder and behind them.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Vegas, it’s 9pm in Vegas, and you’re on the web. What happened to that high end hotel room you stay in? Shouldn’t you be downstairs high rolling at the crap table, holding court with the women? Why are you in here lying to a bunch of Raider fans with short attention spans? Are you sure you don’t live in some apartment in Hayward?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
All I did was report that stats. No spin. I leave that to you.
You want to bet we had a higher run to pass ratio?? We threw more than we ran you moron.
How much do you want to bet??? Because I will get the stats and do the busy work to make you stupid. It will be my pleasure.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I don’t care what Gradkowski did today.
RUSSELL SUCKS! He has and will continue to suck.
If he comes in early, he will just suck quicker.
If he stays late, he will just suck longer.
If he watches more film, he will just suck smarter.
If he loses 25 lbs, he will just suck lighter.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 pm
aig
in the 2nd kc game he hit most of his passes but they were dropped he had 3 or 4 bad throws but he had a td to dhb dropped big pass to murphy penalty that was the olines fault not grads pick
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Russell should have never been drafted. To be sabotaged the way he was makes the Raiders just as guilty as he was for hosing Al in his contract negotiations. Al Davis is notorious for giving up his moral high ground just to prove a point to someone. Either that or it’s the woman beater behind this, likely setting Russell up because he doesn’t like minorities or women in leadership positions.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
DHB target 8 times today ….
1 catch for 7 yds. The kid ran against single coverage all day and was barely open one time. The PI call that went is his favor was clearly on him, and we got a break. He wasn’t open on that play either, but Lefty is right. He is the guy who is going against single coverage. Murphy should have been targeted those 8 times, IMO.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
MR NOBODY HERE SAYS GRADKOWSKI IS GREAT. WHY MUST U BE SO NEGATIVE? WE JUST KNOW THAT THE LIL WHITE BOY IS BETTER THAN RUSSELL. EVERYBODY ON THE PLANET KNOWS RUSSELL COULDNT MAKE THOSE PASSES. F U K K THE STATS!!!
RUSSELL COULD NEVER HAVE HIT THOSE. HE WOULDA BEEN SACKD & FUMBLED TODAY . WE JUST HAPPY TO SEE A QB THAT CAN SOMEHOW READ A DEFENSE. NOBODY THINKS GRADKOWKSKI IS A PRO BOWKLER. CALM DOWN D O U C HE .
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I mean seriously dude, you are always annoying, but at least you were accurate and didn’t make shyt up.
You are desperate and pulling things out of your rear. Our run to pass ratio today was one of the lowest of the year and in about 3 minutes I will post the numbers to show you what a fool you just made of yourself.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I don’t care what Gradkowski did today.
RUSSELL SUCKS! He has and will continue to suck.
If he comes in early, he will just suck quicker.
If he stays late, he will just suck longer.
If he watches more film, he will just suck smarter.
If he loses 25 lbs, he will just suck lighter.
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LMFAO!
He will suck smarter?
That is hilarious!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:13 pm
VegasRaider, it’s unusual for you to be this stupid. You’re a pathological liar, but you’re not known for being one of the idiots in here. Tonight, that’s all changing. Try and follow: I said the run to pass ratio compared to previous weeks. Not tonight. You mocked my point about our run threat, using the example that we didn’t run the ball that many times tonight. I responded by telling you that we didn’ thave the ball that much. That would explain our low run attempts. I then said that our run to pass ratio was probably higher today than it was in previous weeks. Let me know if you need any more help understanding that.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
chris in ny to hell with ur relatives i live in bristol ct 2 miles from espn headquarters turkey dinner is during the lions packers game then me my 2 boys raiders fans of course thier wives and mine and the kids r gonna watch the rayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyders shock americas team eating americas apple pie right into thier lap ur more then welcome to join us
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I posted it earlier, Vegas
18 total rushed, under 100 yds!
Bush 4, Fargas 8, McFadden 6.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
RIGT!! DID HIS JOB! ACTUALLY GRADKOWSKI IS BETTER THAN TRENT DILFER. BETTER AARM AND HES MOBILE. DONT 4GET THE FACT THAT HES WHITE, IM BLACK & I JUST DESPISE STUPID BLACK QBS LIKE JRUSS/ ALL THE RAIDERS NEED IS A 3RD LEVEL QB LIKE GRADS TO BE COMPETITIVE.
3RD LEVEL= U KNOW GRADS , TRENT EDWARDS, ETC..
2ND LEVEL?= TONY ROMO , MCNABB , ETC
WE ALL KNOW 1ST LEVEL , BREES, MANNING DUGH .
PS/ JAMARCUS IS A 5TH LEVEL Q.B.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:17 pm
16,
again, give it up. I find it useless to reason with you. yes the WR dropped the ball but ask yourself this question. Why is it that receivers drop so many balls with Russell? Why did the dumpoffs work today? How many of those dumpoffs usually end up at the feet or way up in the air when JR is in there? For all those drops you defend for Russell, I bring up all the balls that ended at the feet of our receivers and way over their head…case in point, the pass to Meyers that finally got him yanked in the KC game. That pass was at Meyers feet.
Give it up kid. JR (and I am his supporter) needs to put in the work and effort. He needs to show up fit, put in the extra time the way Grad and Frye do. He needs to know his job and every one of his guys job. They say peyton Manning knows the offensive line’s job even better than those guys themselves. Can you say that about JR? When was the last time you saw JR audible? We’re already handicapped when he is out there because the D knows we’ll never audible.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
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November 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
It’s not fair to compare the two qb’s against each other. One is obviously more physically gifted than the other (size, strength, etc.). One makes about 60 million more than the other. JR had his chance but apparently doesn’t put the time in the film, extra work and such (according to his coach and players). Granted he didn’t get the support he needed at times, but he also had other opportunities.
Now Grad being less gifted has to work harder to find a spot due to his less daunting abilities. He did not look bad today. Not great, just not bad. Played with energy, inspired energy.
Bottom line, one wasn’t cutting it, got benched and another got an opportunity.
Can you imagine Cable storming into Als’ office and demanding Al to sit JR? I wonder if Cable pulled the pimp slap on Al.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
So how do we plan on beating Dallas?
Bush with only 4 carries? Maybe 7, lol?
I really think the defense is going to have to put up some points and come away with AT least 3 turnovers.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Punctual is nice.
Perhaps next game he can be prompt, and get another win.
It was such a good feeling that your QB actually had a chance to complete passes. And get first downs.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
ONCE AGAIN US RAIDERS FANS ARE NOT STUPID MR. WE KNOW GRADS IS NOT GREAT. WE JUST FEEL BETTER NOW. I MEAN. I FELT THE WHOLE GAME WE HAD A CHANCE . WITH GRADS OUT THERE .LIKE THE LAST DRIVE, IT FELT LIKE WE COULD MOVE THE BALL. WE KNEW THE PUNY WHITE BOY COULD HIT SOMEBODY WELL AS JRUSS WOULD HAVE UNDOUBTEDLY GOT SCARED AND FUMBLED SUM S H I T .
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:21 pm
island,
i bet cable said Mr. Davis DHB cannot win rookie of the year if JR refuses to look and throw his way.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
AIG, I said as much earlier tonite. Russsell has to piut in the time. But My point is the talent isn’t even close………period
One day Russell will understand what it takes and will realize his potential. In fact he is NOT that far off contarry to popular beliefs he just needs to plish somethings off in terms of technigue and timing.
You guy’s act like he’s ssome bum and he’s FAR from it we just needed a leader right now that has confidence that’s all. The biggest difference is confidence……..period
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:22 pm
JR (and I am his supporter) needs to put in the work and effort. He needs to show up fit, put in the extra time the way Grad and Frye do. He needs to know his job and every one of his guys job.
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Couldn’t agree more!
He should have been moved to #3 until he at least got in the shape the coaches think he should be in. AT LEAST! Once he made weight, then move him to 2nd string. Once he put in the effort that the coaches are looking for, then let him back in the game.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
# Thec07 Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
FOX SPORTS ASKED THE QUESTION BEFORE ALL THE GAMES;
IS JAMARCUS RUSSELL A BIGGER BUST THAN RYAN LEAF.
I say no he is not a bigger bust, he is just the Black version… BRL is ryan leaf 2.0…
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Your ancestors were probably pushing the slave ship, Thec.
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MR, you cant baffle anyone with you BS….
I am of african descent try again….
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
aig
i havent said he is good or bad just saying grad did the same thing ruussell did under the same circumstances grad threw to dhb 8 times completed 1 so either dhb dropped them or grad threw bad passes he only completed 4 balls to wr’s so how is grad using them better and how many times do i have to point out i am withholding my judgement on russell until i see this
russell didnt get a lot of time with chaz i dont want to defend him too much but a team cant double chaz and miller i want to see how russell does with this starting lineup and this play calling until then i withhold my judgement because the last time the play calling was like this russell won and these were his stats
cmpl% cmpl att yrds avg lng int td
68.2 17 28 224 8.0 86 2 1
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
1 catch in 8 targets. Yep. DHB has to sit as well.
Chaz looked like he was in a lot of pain in the 4th and couldn’t make sharp cuts. I doubt he’ll make it for the short week against Dallas. Soooo we’ll have DHB as the starter again. But after that, time to sit him down.
Kudos to Cable…For having the jewels to punt on 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter. And for picking out Cincy DB Trent and isolating him in the last couple of drives. Other than that he’s still an oaf.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
The way you guys merely want Gradkowski to be better than Russell, paying no mind to the actual results, kind of make me think of Archie Bunker. I can just see you guys, watching the t.v. with your slacks unbuttoned to make room for the beer and cabbage, “Come on Grad, one touchdown to go and the colored guy eats crow!!”.
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Again, RACIST!
“paying no mind to the actual results?”. Bahahahaha. Did you really just write that? I’m assigning you some homework. Go look up Russell’s stats this year and tell me where among all starting NFL QBs he ranks. LMAO!
We all wanted Russell to do well you ignorant racist. When McCown was playing, we were all clamoring for Russell. That lazy fat dumsh1t had his chance. He’s a bust. Has no self respect. Stealing money from the organization and flaunting it around with his chains and fur coats like some kind of wannabe macdaddy pimp. With all that money, he can’t dedicate all his time and efforts towards getting into the best shape he can and work overtime with the receivers? Puleaze. His time has come and gone. You are right about one thing, though. It’s Davis’ fault. Should have never drafted him #1 overall and shouldn’t have shown such blind support for this clown.
Whether Grads was white or black, I’d be just as content. Unlike you, friggin hypocrite. Your as racist as they come. You were making excuses for why Grads would be better before he even played this week. But your behavior before this game just shows that even you expected Grads to play better. LOL!
Why don’t you make yourself useful and go antagonize the other AFC West fan blogs for having white QBs and not drafting Russell?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm
BRL is a bum…. Not a true NFL QB… We wasted 60 plus mil on thos goon, for what. Grad is a superior leader than BRL by far…. BRL= zero fire….
Thankfully we have ended the Black ryan Leaf experiment…
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Backpedal as you may here is your original moment of non-clarity:
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Vegas Raider, nice try. We didn’t have the ball for that long today, which would explain the low run attempts. I don’t have the stats handy but I’ll bet you we had a higher run to pass ratio today than we’ve had in previous weeks.
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Well I, my friend, have the stats handy:
Game 1 32 runs 32 passes 1 to 1 ratio
Game 2 25 runs 24 passes 1.04 to 1
Game 3 23 runs 21 passes 1.09 to 1
Game 4 22 runs 33 passes .66 to 1
Game 5 25 runs 13 passes 1.92 to 1
Game 6 35 runs 28 passes 1.25 to 1
Game 7 20 runs 30 passes .66 to 1
Game 8 27 runs 22 passes 1.22 to 1
Game 9 30 runs 32 passes .93 to 1
Game 10 24 runs 34 passes .70 to 1
So you see, that today was our 3rd lowest run to pass ratio, and one less Gradkowski scramble and it would have been our lowest.
No begin with your excuses for our amusement.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Agreed Northern D.
ood post.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
By JOSH DUBOW, AP Sports Writer…
“Raiders DL Richard Seymour left the game in the first quarter with a lower back injury that is not expected to be serious. … Oakland LB Isaiah Ekejiuba had a knee injury that could be serious, Cable said.”
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Good news, bad news
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:29 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 pm
The way you guys merely want Gradkowski to be better than Russell, paying no mind to the actual results, kind of make me think of Archie Bunker. I can just see you guys, watching the t.v. with your slacks unbuttoned to make room for the beer and cabbage, “Come on Grad, one touchdown to go and the colored guy eats crow!!”.
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ROFLMAO…. MR you are one funny idiot….
Stay off the sauce…
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 pm
16 .. uhh. do u actually have to see more of russell? im sorry but a qb with no leadership skills, no agression , no accuracy.. umm. u tell me .. does that make any sense? why be a qb ?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Wassup Thec!
Not sure how you think the expirement is over with Russell being #2 on the depth chart. We almost saw him today, lol! Gradkowski stayed down for a minute after that big hit he took.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
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November 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
I’m sure if anyone one of us would say the main difference between Bruce and Jamarcus, was that Bruce was “punctual”, MR would demand that there is racial undertones involved.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:33 pm
doriangray Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:30 pm
16 .. uhh. do u actually have to see more of russell? im sorry but a qb with no leadership skills, no agression , no accuracy.. umm. u tell me .. does that make any sense? why be a qb ?
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LOL! Downright hilarious what lengths some of these guys will go through to protect and defend Russell. Hey Russell apologists…Alex Smith could use some help on the other side of the bay.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Thanks JHill. Nice to see nobody else watched the game too.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:36 pm
and coach cable adjusted in the 2nd quarter 2 cincy, thats why hes a decent coach. marvin lewis on the other hand? now the world sees why sum coaches will never get ahead. at least cables staff attempts 2 adjust in the game. and one more thing. its time to trade kirk morrison .
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
jhill Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Wassup Thec!
Not sure how you think the expirement is over with Russell being #2 on the depth chart. We almost saw him today, lol! Gradkowski stayed down for a minute after that big hit he took.
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Jhill, what up BRUH, would have broke something had i seen BRL in the game.
QB Depth Chart
Grad
frye
MBUSH
DMAC
Black ryan leaf
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
dorian gray and try some reality i said i want to see how he does with his best wr healthy and starting and with the same play calling he had 224 yards and a win with but you didnt read the whole post you just saw what you wanted and made fun of it
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Yeah Northern D …
I faithfully cough up my coin to DirecTV. Never miss a game.
Grads had zero success against Hall and Joseph all game, like the announcers were saying. They had no choice but to throw it to the guy Trent was covering, and thank GOD that person was Murphy.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Keep sticking up to Al, Cable. You can do it. Next, we want to see DHB’s sorry azz on the bench. Start Schilens and Murphy.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Ryan leaf 2.0 has much less fire than the original which is not supposed to happen with a 2.0 product.
FOX SPORTS ON NATIONAL TELEVISION BEFORE ALL THE GAMES STARTED;
WHO IS A BIGGER BUST RYAN LEAF OR JRUSS?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 pm
doriangray Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:36 pm
and coach cable adjusted in the 2nd quarter 2 cincy, thats why hes a decent coach. marvin lewis on the other hand? now the world sees why sum coaches will never get ahead. at least cables staff attempts 2 adjust in the game. and one more thing. its time to trade kirk morrison .
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There’s not many adjustment Cincy can make. The Raiders play a pretty basic defence throughout. Aside from picking up a couple extra blitzes, they just had to execute better.
And Morrison will be gone at the end of the year as a free agent. Rumours are that the Raiders have no interest in re-signing him.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 pm
doriangray Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:36 pm
and coach cable adjusted in the 2nd quarter 2 cincy, thats why hes a decent coach
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What adjustment did Cable make?
Marshall made some adjustments on defense, but I didn’t see one single offensive adjustment.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
MR,
Quit saying “WE” when referring to the Raiders. You sound like the furthest thing to a Raider fan I have ever seen. And what’s with the race thing? You just assume people don’t like Russell cuz he’s black. I don’t like him cuz he’s the lowest rated passer in the NFL, and has sucked ever since he came on board. To me that’s enuff not to like him. I would think most people critical of Russell could care less what color he is. Crap is crap no matter what color.
Raiders win and you couldn’t be more pissed off. Boy, you sound like a true fan. Sorry your Sunday was runined by the Raiders winning. I agree that you’ll have plenty more losses to celebrate in the upcoming weeks.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Wonder what we can get for BRL in the open market?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
No matter how bad Jamarcus has been and may be, he is nowhere close to Ryan Leaf.
That dude was a complete disaster from day 1. Didn’t he get “hurt” get in yelling match with his GM in practice in front of all the cameras, and than sit out the year until to be filmed playing golf?
Russell has a way to go to hit that bottom. Alex Smith and Jamarcus are about the same. A spattering of decent games, surrounded by mostly awful ones.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
BRL is ryan leaf… He is the Black Version….
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm
JHill,
Much better to go to Murphy.
I think dropping the ball is contagious. Once DHB came to camp and started dropping everything, I think Murphy started fighting the ball and dropping it too.
Now that Schilens is back in practice I’ll think he’ll relax more and stop fighting it.
As for DHB, he needs a complete overhaul.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
So Vegas,
Tell me how you think the game against Dallas will go?
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Everyone see Rob Ryan and his Browns D today.
Up by 6, rookie QB has to go 90 yards with zero timeouts and about 90 seconds left.
3 man rush after 3 man rush, they go down the field, get a PI call on the last play of the game, than get one more play and the score.
I even saw him drop 9 games into coverage on one play. They gave up a 10 yard completion on that play, lol.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:48 pm
16year – Russell has some growing up to do. Case in point, there is absolutely no doubt he would have thrown the center under the bus for that fumble if it was him in there and not Grads. You CANNOT do that as a QB. Whether it’s your fault or not, YOU are responsible for the offense as a QB. It just so happens that many things were his fault and yet he kept saying that he played well or played ok, then proceeded to throw his receivers under the bus. The players will say the right things to the media but you can bet your azz they got tired of Russell’s routine. You saw the hints out there with different players all saying “it depends how much he puts into it”. Players wouldn’t say that if he was giving it his all.
Unfortunately we just don’t know how he would have done since Schilens has been hurt all year. But it’s not like this team starts it’s best receivers anyway. Murphy is pretty darn good for a rook and he’s had him all year. Both QBs are a little hamstrung with DHB out there. Besides, the coaches and the fans have all seen enough of Russell. You want to give him another chance? Fine. But let him sit, learn how to be a man, and EARN it. Until then, ride the pine!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
JHill,
I will say, I am a tad concerned. This was Bruce’s Super Bowl if you will, he got his big chance, and led a dramatic come-from-behind win.
We get to turn that around on a short week and go to Dallas, which is struggling but has a great pass-rush and pretty good D. Bruce will have to play out of his mind for us to have a chance to win.
But if we only have 3 penalties, get some ST plays, can get a hot hand running the ball and stop the run, we can win. I know it will be a lot more entertaining than we anticipated at this time a week ago.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I think/hope we no longer see DHB isolated on one side, this taking the one side of the field away. I think you are going to see Murphy lined up on the same side as DHB, or Miller lined up on the same side.
There was a drop by DHB on 3rd down, and there was a shot of him walking by Cable. I think Cable pretty much gave him the “Jamarcus”. We didn’t really see much of him in a feature role after that. Unlike last week, the ball was CLEARLY going to Chaz, Miller, and Murphy when it mattered.
You were dead on about Chaz lumbering through that last drive. Props to him for sucking it up.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:53 pm
I know it will be a lot more entertaining than we anticipated at this time a week ago.
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Only because Dallas is playing like shyt, lol!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
how can i see the delayed rebroadcast, i’ve gone to nfl.com but i cannot find a link to blackout game rebroadcasts???
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
no offense 16 year old,but all you’ve done since you signed on today was throw out arguments in support of JR.you’d have thought the 1st thing you would have done is thank Priest for the tickets to a damn good game,then get to your opinions.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 pm
vegas raider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 pm
No matter how bad Jamarcus has been and may be, he is nowhere close to Ryan Leaf.
That dude was a complete disaster from day 1. Didn’t he get “hurt” get in yelling match with his GM in practice in front of all the cameras, and than sit out the year until to be filmed playing golf?
Russell has a way to go to hit that bottom. Alex Smith and Jamarcus are about the same. A spattering of decent games, surrounded by mostly awful ones.
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Actually the one QB I would compare JaMarcus to is…
Vinny Testaverde.
Both were tall, slightly mobile, with a rocket arm and very erractic at times.
Both were former # 1’s who were supposed to put up great numbers.
If you can good back and see, they both had similar mechanics as well.
Now here’s the bad part.
Although Vinny had a long and decent career, he was a total flop for his first 6 years in Tampa.
He didn’t put togther a decent season until his second or third teams.
So if JaMarcus doesn’t accelerate the learning curve, he’ll a bust in Oakland. And considering the money he’s made, and his work ethic, I think he’ll just leave the game instead of trying again with another team.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
MR-your posts are lame. You are the new Narco Bob.
Vegas is always money. His posts are intelligent and make sense.
You love losing and this has been the best 7 years of your miserable life.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Lefty,
How do you know 16 didn’t thank BHP, or does he gave to thank home here to please you?! You must think everyone is trying to please you!
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 pm
DHB is a bust. When will Al realize it?
Crabtree caught a TD pass today by the way.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:58 pm
i wasn’t talking to you woman.
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
*have to thank him
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Why the divison of fans? It seems like the people that are big Jamarcus fans arent enjoying the victory!!!! This is good for the offense and defense…I see Mario Henderson, bey ,murphy and mike mitchell jumping for joy like little kids, A taste of victory is good for this young Squad. you may not believe it, but Im the biggest jamarcus backer…but he needs to sit and see how a qb should conduct himself.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Kirk …
I sat Crabtree in my FFL league and started Schillens. Even had Bush in at a WR/RB flex spot.
LMFAO!
Still won going away.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Graddowski didnt play great, But he made some big 3rd and fourth down passes,he also didnt over throw murphy on the td pass. I still believe this will make Jamrcus better..Beat the Cowboys
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
DHB will be OK. Drafted him too high, and is a project.
Great to see a QB that can actually look off a receiver and read both sides of the field. WOW
JR could only hit guys 15 yds in front of him.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:03 pm
# vegas raider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
JHill,
I will say, I am a tad concerned. This was Bruce’s Super Bowl if you will, he got his big chance, and led a dramatic come-from-behind win.
We get to turn that around on a short week and go to Dallas, which is struggling but has a great pass-rush and pretty good D. Bruce will have to play out of his mind for us to have a chance to win.
But if we only have 3 penalties, get some ST plays, can get a hot hand running the ball and stop the run, we can win. I know it will be a lot more entertaining than we anticipated at this time a week ago.
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The Cowboys are giving up 30 yards per game and 2 points per game more than the Bengals.
The Bengals have MORE sacks on the year than the Cowboys.
The Cowboys are giving up 20 more rushing yards per game than the Bengals.
Its not the Cowboys Defense that worries me, it the Raiders’ defense that scares the hell out of me.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 pm
JR is young, he is 24, and he needs to grow up. We don’t all mature at the same rate or time, but he needs to understand he doesn’t have the luxury of time in the NFL.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I see Mario Henderson, bey ,murphy and mike mitchell jumping for joy like little kids, A taste of victory is good for this young Squad.
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I didn’t see all of them, but I doubt Mario Henderson has sprinted like he did for the Murphy TD many other times. That dude was stoked and went right up to Bruce and celebrated. Bruce has his limits, but as Fargas said in practice, “he has a noticeable passion for the game”. It’s infectious, and the best thing for this team, at least in the short-term.
My work is done here, enjoy the rest of the night!!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Hopefully this team can sak up and continue playing some competitive ball to close out the year.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Lefty12, he did thank me at the game. I saw him back with the players, brought DMC over to meet him before I left. From what I could see he was really appreciative.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:07 pm
how can i see the delayed rebroadcast, i’ve gone to nfl.com but i cannot find a link to blackout game rebroadcasts???
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Are you becoming a troll? Get a life dude!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 pm
JR needs to grow up at 24? He’s not going to make it in the NFL. He’s had plenty of chances and has shown nothing. Same with DHB. Straight ahead speed with no hands. The perfect Al Davis pick.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
16-my apologies.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Black leaf does have the luxury of a 30 mil bonus.
Yes I would say he has a lot of growing up to do.
But eating seems to be more important than the playbook. Imagine the face of your franchise has a lousy work ethic, shows up overweight… only in oakland… Thanks Mr. Davis for drafting leaf 2.0
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
jhill i thanked priest at the game im very happy he got me the tickets and the autograph pass but i already saw him and said thank you
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
O,
Let’s just hope there is really a lesson for the kid to learn here. I really hope Grads does well enough to keep him on the bench. It’s going to take time for him to learn the lessons that he needs to learn, and getting right back in the game is not going to do it.
Russell could probably have done what Gradkowski did today, including the potential picks, but we need MORE than that. A LOT more. We invested a #1 pick in the draft to be the saviour, man! Talent alone is not going to produce that saviour. He needs to be the biggest Raider fan in the building. The guy who loves his job the most.
He’s clearly not that guy right now, and we can be mediocre with a guy like Gradkowski.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
whatever you say woman.btw,its nice to have a woman join the guys talking about the Raiders.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
my bad not jhill lefty
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
*why
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:12 pm
just stop already you moron, race has nothing to do with this, i think everyone here wanted Russell to suceed, but guess what your B*tch doesnt give a fuk, he only cares about which buffett line is he going to be standing on. If JaWalrus was so serious about proving hes peers wrong then he would do something about it. why do you even care about the raiders all you do is trash talk, you cant even sabor the moment of a win. Nobody here is saying Gradkowski is the answer, but he gives us a better chance in Winning then that guy with the beanie. stay in that ass hole of him PLEASE.
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 pm
#
And you guys think Gradkowski is going to somehow remedy a completely rotten organization! And don’t give me this nonsense that you never expected him to be “great”, and you just want him to be better than Russell. Since when was that the goal of an NFL team? To be better than the previous qb? Never mind if he loses, just as long as he’s not as bad as the black guy with the beanie? Unbelievable. Again, I blame Al, for allowing this mutiny to grow into what it is. The Raiders are a joke. The Raider Nation is an even more pathetic joke. But celebrate today’s birthday gift.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:12 pm
jhill Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 pm
There was a drop by DHB on 3rd down, and there was a shot of him walking by Cable. I think Cable pretty much gave him the “Jamarcus”.
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That is funny shiit. Sad, but funny.
‘He just jamarcussed his asss all the way to the locker room, where he went on to fire a pimp slap on him, broke his jaw and then denied it’
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
jhill i thanked priest at the game im very happy he got me the tickets and the autograph pass but i already saw him and said thank you
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I didn’t sweat you about that, it was Lefty.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
as i said 16 year old-my apologies.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Ok lefty.
God bless you bro.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:14 pm
didn’t see your post, 16.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I like what i see in Grad. This was his first start so he seemed a little hyped at first but he did settle down.
Here is what he has that JR doesn’t
Leadership
pocket presence
Can run through a progression during a play
Can make a variety of throws with touch
Gets rid of the ball quickly
mobile
all of you guys that think JR can develop think again, that train has left the station. Lets not forget Gruden drafted Grad with Gannon in mind and I see many of the traits I saw in Gannon. Give him some more time on the field and I bet he can develop into a decent QB
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Vegas Raider, that is what bothers me the most about Russell is his demeanor with his teamates. It bothers me that he’s cool with them instead inspiring them. That is very serious IMO he is their leader and he acts like he’s just one of the guy’s.
All Grads does is motivate them to play well. He leads by example and word. He’s first to get there and last to leave and outworks them all. Untill Russell unserstands that he has to inspire and lead with enthusiasm. They will not follow. If you watch Ray Lewis who isn’t a QB his enthusiasm is infectuous.
Half the time your wondering what Russell is thinking. Not good he has GOT TO change that.
But I’ve noticed with every passing week that Flacco and Ryan are getting worse as the season wears on. Which is really strange Flacco has been stinking the joint up lately and Ryan has even been worse. Has anyone noticed that?
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Gradkowski said he drew upon his experiences in Tampa Bay and Cleveland. He cited the lessons learned under the tutelage of Jeff Garcia and Jon Gruden, props that (wink-wink) will go over well in the big office at Raiders headquarters.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Jhill,
I agree, but he can learn more from the field. The problem is the players don’t believe in him anymore with good reasons.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:19 pm
lefty its cool
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Its not the Cowboys Defense that worries me, it the Raiders’ defense that scares the hell out of me.
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Agreed 75.
I sure hope we can contain Felix Jones on the screen passes, and we don’t give up 200 yds to Barber. I think CJ will give up his usual 2 big pass plays per game, but I think Romo is primed for picks!
Our offense is probably good for no more than 14 pts, so I’m really hoping for some damn good defense and STs, and hopefully some points from those units!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 pm
doriangray Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Gradkowski said he drew upon his experiences in Tampa Bay and Cleveland. He cited the lessons learned under the tutelage of Jeff Garcia and Jon Gruden, props that (wink-wink) will go over well in the big office at Raiders headquarters.
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That would make sense if someone competent was actually in the big office. Most in alemeda are lackeys, and yes people that cater to the whims of a maniacle 80 year old ego maniac…
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 pm
how can i see the delayed rebroadcast
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Russell must be thinkin’: Man! this job just got a lot cushier. All I gotta do now is sit around on game day holdin’ this here clipboard. I don’t even have to throw a damn ball no more. $31 mil. Oh yeah!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Would be nice if Black ryan leaf asked for a trade…
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Passed on Precious.
Not to interested in a film focusing on those storylines.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
me and jruss gon be in a strip club near u monday. we dnt worry bout this football crap
did yall hear dat the bills are interested in hiring marc trestman? thats our coach!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I just wish we could ride a RB to 20 carries. At this point, even if it’s Fargas, I’m down.
4 carries here, 6 there …
CMON!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Dr Gray, is he a yes man? Mr Davis will only hire lackey that support his drivel about past exploits…
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
jhill i guess u like movies like shoot em up , and crank , and latin street hookers 10, and 300?
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
RaiderMadden, are you still there grousing? No one expects miracles from Gradkowski; only better decision making and more accurate throws. Just move the chains, like he said. And that will allow the defense to stay off the field longer.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 20th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
# KoolKell Says:
November 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Vegas
We’ll see how the earnest, super intelligent, clean-cut, white feller, with proper “American ValUUUU’s, performs on the field Sunday, as the anti-Russell.
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LOL.
Spot-on analogy, Kell.
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What a couple of RACIST BIGOTS! The Raiders benched the worst QB in the NFL, who is black. Call Al Sharpton!!! Get the NAACP out here!!!
Whoever mentioned “values” or “anti-Russell”? We just want a QB that can lead an offense, preferable a grown man, something Russell is NOT.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:31 pm
doriangray Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:25 pm
jhill i guess u like movies like shoot em up , and crank , and latin street hookers 10, and 300?
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LSH 10 is out ???? Damn, I need to get that!
Saw 300, but not the rest of those movies, lol!
Just not into incest and child molestation. Is it ok if I draw the line there?
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
i bet when grads was talkin bout gruden at the press conference. al davis was like. ;; ahhhhh. he must wants 2 feel my wrath ?!
grads had on a nice suit too
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Right on Richard Bentley!! that’s really his game as for throwing to WR’s. Any QB stupid enough to throw 7 passes to DHB at this point deserves a 50% cmpletion rate. That’s what DHB will give you at this point his route running is UGLYYYY!! I don’t give a damn what Cable says DHB is a joke at WR right now. But Russell got benched for ignoring him. I don’t know if you go to games but watching that guy run routes is like watching a blind man in an unfamiliar room. He cuts off routes he loafs and is very hard to figure but hopefully Grads can get him straightened out.
Murphy isn’t a whole lot better……well actually he is. DHB is terrible. If not for Chaz and the TE’s and RB’s we would have no passing game…………..period
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:34 pm
The Black Ryan Leaf experiment is over… we should all get over it, cut our losses…
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:35 pm
I never, ever post on here, but because of “real” maddenraider, I have to or I will not be able to sleep.
Who are you and exactly how bitter is your life? Guess what, russell didn’t start and we beat a pretty good team. Case closed. We all just want to win by any means necessary. Look at all of the comments about Grads and read between the lines. All of his positives are really russell negatives.
Your just a negative idiot and don’t know the first thing about loyalty, patience, football, player development, etc. I’m sure you don’t know the first thing about alot of things.
I hope Russell learns from this and becomes the best qb ever, but the players that put in the work are the ones who should play.
Ok, I’ve wasted enough of my time on you. I’m sure you’ll keep posting comments that almost everyone will ignore.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Don’t just disregard Gradkowski because he wasn’t drafted in the 1st round and has had limited opportunities thus far in the NFL. He’s a professional, NFL QB. He’s athletic. He’s capable of being an accurate passer. He’s reportedly a hard worker who’s had several years to study under Paul Hackett now. If he makes the right decisions and gets help on the outside he’s capable of holding this job down longer than anyone thought possible.
Interesting notes from Wikipedia:
“Gradkowski is a 2001 graduate from Seton-La Salle Catholic High School in Pittsburgh and played as a member of the Seton-La Salle Rebels from 1997 to 2000 in the Western Pennsylvania Interscholastic Athletic League (WPIAL). This is the same league that produced football legends such as Dan Marino (Central Catholic High School), Joe Montana (Ringgold High School), Joe Namath (Beaver Falls High School), and Johnny Unitas (St. Justin High School). In high school, he ultimately performed at a higher level than any of them did. … As a senior … he threw for a then-WPIAL and PIAA (state) record of 2,978 yards and 30 touchdowns (surpassing the previous mark set by Marino). In high school, Gradkowski performed well in basketball, serving as Seton-La Salle’s starting point guard and leading his team in scoring.”
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I would take Matt Barkley right now over Black leaf
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
real la raider . as the great ( die hard ) once said . welcome 2 da party pal !yeah we must endure the useless banter of the fake madden raider. but he will one day see the light .
that white light ..
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Whos idea was it to draft dhb???
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
does anybody out there know how to watch the replay of blacked out games??
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Koolaide aside, I believe we stand a good chance against the Cowboys especially if Seymour is healthy. It will be close but a good controlled running game with accurate passing across the WHOLE field should pay dividends. While Gradkowski is not a Pro Bowl talent he appears to be a stablizing leader in the huddle – another thing JaBustus is NOT. He apparently understands the Whole offense, can see the Whole field and throws to all, has the ability to goe through a receiver progression greater than two and has pocket presence. These are all things JaBustus should have by now if he gave a damn and worked at it. well, he’ll have his whole off season to figure out if he wants to put in the work to become competent. If he doesn’t he’s gone and wil never play in the NFL again.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
lol, right on gray! I am just happy to see a win. Saw it from the house of an SD fan. Even sweeter! It’s something to build on and hopefully Grads can get better the more reps he has with the first team. Still hope Russell sees the light.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/22/SPS41AORBD.DTL
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm
burque raider , try ovguide.com or maybe sum bum on ustream has it up on his page. or maybe the nfl network will replay it ? many highlights up on nfl.com.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
# Burque Raider Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
does anybody out there know how to watch the replay of blacked out games??
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If you get the NFL ticket on Direct TV Satellite, channel 704-1, 11:30PM PST for the 30 minute short version.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:46 pm
People still crying that JaMarcus should be back in there need to crawl into a hole. We just beat one of the top teams in the conference and managed two actual TD drives in a game.
Not the kind of drives JaMarcus typically ran about once every other week — i.e. Bush breaks off a 65-yard run to set up a 1-yard TD run or Zach Miller takes a 10-yard pass and turns it into an 80-yard TD. I’m talking about a series of accurate throws, good decision-making and completions from the QB that help us score a TD.
Do you realize this is the first time we’ve scored 20 pts in a game since Week 1?
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
I understand being relieved about Russell not playing, but my goodness! Gradkowski passed for ONE first down on a 3rd down. His first 3 possession were a 5 plays punt, 2 plays fumble, 3 plays punt.
After the TD drive, he only completed 5 of his next 14 passes, man. He had 4 straight misses before connected on a 4th and 10. Missed one more time before he hit Murphy for the TD.
The QB play was no different than it has been before. The QB was 50% with 2 turnovers, and under 200 yds.
We won today because of strong defense and good STs play, IMO. Keeping Cincy out of the endzone those 3 red zone trips was HUGE. Than fumble?!?!? The big play by Routt to force a FG that ended up being missed?
Damn good defense, and thanks to the refs for not finding a way to give the game to Cincy!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:48 pm
And let me be the first to call it: The Raiders will ruin Thanksgiving in the city of Dallas, Texas on Thursday.
That’s right.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Real MaddenRaider … call Al Sharpton and stay off the boards you racist!!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
From Scott Ostler’s column:
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Gradkowski’s ascendancy to No. 1 was born of pure desperation, either Cable trying to save his job or Davis trying to save his pride, or both.
The Raiders were 2-7 this season under Russell, and they were scoring 9.8 points per game.
The only difference between the two is that Gradkowski works harder, is in better shape, knows the offense better, knows defenses better, makes adjustments on the fly better, is a far-superior scrambler, is a more accurate passer, and brings more energy.
The only mistake Gradkowski made Sunday was giving credit to Raider-enemies Jon Gruden and Jeff Garcia for helping him learn the league during his rookie season in Tampa Bay.
If Gradkowski continues to play well, eventually Cable and Davis will have to explain why they stuck with Russell so long, other than because of the huge money the Raiders gave him as a No. 1 draft pick.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/22/SPS41AORBD.DTL#ixzz0XfA56LPQ
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Chris in NY, As much as we want to give Grads all the creit this DEFENSE won this game the offense finally came through at the end. 8 mins. left we threw a pick the defense gt it back wegot stopped the defense got it back and we finally go it right. Staying away from DHB.
The defense won this game…………..period
Russell has come through on drives like this many times and we still lost……..period
So don’t act like he’s NEVER done it because he has. In the SD game he drove us right down the field for a score and the defense gave it back. Russell has demonstrated that he can put it in the endzone with the game on the line several times.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I’m just saying Russell has many shortcomings and we’ve all beat them to death but let’s not LIE on the kid that is not necessary. Russell has beaten some very good teams including Phillly this year and that drive vs KC in KC was a thing of beauty.
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:59 pm
THEFAKE MADDENRAIDER: STFU!
You have to be some sort of troll. The raiders won and had Russell been QB we probably dont. Gradowski isnt the next Manning but has that grittiness about him we have lacked at the QB position since Gannon. He will do whatever it takes and that what we need. You are not a raider fan.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 pm
JB, please spare us the sensationalism why would AD give a rats ass if Grads gives credit where credit is due. He played for Gruden what the hell is wrong with that? Paul Hackett is his coach here and he played under Gruden. So what?!
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:04 pm
priesttj Says:
November 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I’m just saying Russell has many shortcomings and we’ve all beat them to death but let’s not LIE on the kid that is not necessary. Russell has beaten some very good teams including Phillly this year and that drive vs KC in KC was a thing of beauty.
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Exactly Priest!
We should have at least 3 more wins IN SPITE of Russell playing, but the TEAM did not get it done.
Be it Murphy’s dropped TD against SD or the defense giving up TWO 4th qtr 3rd and 17’s that BOTH lead to TDs.
Be it Murphy and JLH running into each other int he last SD game, or Murphy dropping a ball that lead to a pick, or Miller being held leading to a pick. Lost the game by one score IN SPITE of all of that.
Last week, DHB drops a TD from Russell, Murphy has a LONG gainer called back due to penalty, Jano misses a short FG, and we lose by one score.
3 games we could have EASILY won even with the bumbling guy back there. The defense and STs came through for us today with turnovers. THAT is the ONLY difference we say today.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Bring Allen and Gruden back. Gradowski has cooked a little bit and may be just what the doctor ordered.
I wanted to draft Russell but now feel it was a mistake. QB’s need to lead by example and the only thing Russell leads is the line to pick up his check. Russell just doesnt see the field like a QB should.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Some of you dissin on Grad sound childish.
Get over it. Grow up.
You think you know whats goin on.
You dont.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Jhill true dat!! You’d think Grads threw for 350 yards and 4 TDs. He was serviceable………..period
The defense was OUTfreakinSTANDING!! Cincy had 3 drives deep in the redzone and got 3 points!!!!! or we lose by 10 points………..period!
Myers strip and Fumble recovery clinched it, but I guess Grads helped him do that too. RIDICULOUS!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 pm
chris in NY again turkey at my place in bristol ct take the drive as far as the jruss grad thing goes HELLO AGAIN HELLO any1 and i mean any1 whos played football above the pop warner level knows this team has zero faith in Jruss Jwalruss Jmeatball Jfatso or whatever u want to call him the team didnt quit they believed they they had a chance and thats a leadership quality that russell doesnt have put number21 on miles austin stop the run and we will have the country spitting turkey on thier laps because the raiders beat another 1st place team 2 weeks in a row on turkey day
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:13 pm
before the haters jump on me i mean in 4 days and 2 games not 2 weeks
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:22 pm
These guy’s a looney if they think this kid is going to lead us anywhere. Grads is a backup QB………period.
He can do somethings that Ruissell can’t at this point his entusiasm is great, but what happens when he throws 3 picks? Grads is also a very young QB who needs to learn to beat tough defenses geared to stop him. He got away with it today but Dallas has film on him now the will throw a defense at him he has to navigate. After 3 or 4 games we’ll see if he can keep the ship afloat. Somehow and I”m not wishing ill will on Grads at all but I see Russell starting again before the year is out. We’ll see if I’m wrong but some are making way too much out of this one win. This guy is not some star QB, far from it. I saw a guy who can run around and make a few plays and that’s it.
Sorry!!
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Well certainly hpe you’re right I have a next door neighbor who is a an obnoxious Cowboy fan and he knows and has been waiting for the Cowboy’s to embarrass us.
So from your lips to God’s I would love to beat the Cowgirls.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
let’s hope we don’t see him starting any more games this year!that wouldn’t be a very good sign.so let me get this straight-we barely score and beat Philly and JR won the game,yet today we scored 20 points,our QB threw 2(two) td passes(as many as JR has thrown all year,btw) and the only reason we won was because of the Def.?i know you love JR but come on!btw,Cincy is a much better team than Philly.you guys are going overboard with your disrespect for BG.also,if BG had been playing and preformed as he did today we would have beaten SD,KC easily the 1st time and again the 2nd time and who knows what other games.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Saying the defence won the game is way over simplyfying it.
This is the first time in 7 games that the Raiders scored a point in the second half. That means a whole lot of 3 and outs. Which makes for a very tired and beaten down D.
The reason the team scored points and kept the ball was Gradkowski. Not the inconsistant Mr. Russell.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 pm
it is really a shame that the player that is bringing the team down on the field is also tearing apart the fans of the team.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I think the fans are just angry because of the product. Besides, you gotta have a screw loose to be a Raiders fan anyway. A little bit of pent up aggression. If they were content and liked everyone, you’d be Cowboys fans.
November 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
It’s all fun ’til somebody loses an eye.
Then you put on an eyepatch and become a Raider.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:03 am
Lefty12, you take this too far this isn’t tearing us apart at all. It’s just difference of opinion. I don’t feel any different towards anyone in here about this at all. I just feel that The defense won both games Philly and Cincy. Russell is very immature and has a lot to do to get better. I just think that people are giddy over this win and are giving way too much credit to Grads ignoring a dominant effort from this defense.
Grads is the better QB for us right now because Russell’s confidence is down. But if you really believe that in the long run Grads is the best QB going into the future I just don’t see it at all. I see the gritty player Jeff Garcia type. If Russell puts in the time and makes strides he is hands down no question a better player…………period.
The coaches know it Grads knows it. And quite frankly so should you. Grads is another Jeff Garcia but Russell can be another Elway or Plunkett. There’s just no comparison……..period
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:11 am
Nice timing for the Raiders to pull out miraculous win on the day they dedicated to Marquis Cooper, their former teammate lost at sea March 1 and presumed dead.
In attendance was Cooper’s widow Rebekah, 3-year-old daughter Delaney and mother Donna.
Fitting that the Raiders would win on a special teams play, with rookie Brandon Myers with a strip and recovery of Andre Caldwell to set up Sebastian Janikowski’s 33-yard field goal as the Raiders scored 10 points in a span of 18 seconds.
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The win versus Cinncy was for Coop! Special teams won the game.
R.I.P Marquis Cooper
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:15 am
Priest,sorry but i don’t see those guys in Russell.i see
George,Leaf,A.Smith,Shuler,Couch,Harrington, and those type of guys.i don’t believe he has the intangibles necessary to be successful at this level.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:21 am
Jr has done all this to HIMSELF,
is he was playing bad enough to get benched, while NOT being the hardest working guy, then it’s on HIM.
So many trying to spin this onto others, when in reality, after 2 years, he isn’t in better shape mentaly or physically,
no one to blame but himself…
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
Gradkowski should be kept in there for rest of the year….until he screws up badly and costs wins…..like what Russell was doing before, costing the team wins by playing terribly.
Russell also needs to start showing that he is serious about being a leader, hard worker and being a winner.
That means he needs to use all that money he doesn’t deserve on a personal trainer and lose 15-20 pounds and get in the best shape of his life and put in long hours of studying film instead of spending that undeserved money on drinking, bling, and just flat out being lazy.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 am
OK Lefty12, no problem I’m just telling you what the coaches say at practice. It hasn’t happened on Sunday as often as they would like and that’s why he was becnhed because they want him be more consistent. But this kid makes some unbelievable throws and has led us to some nice wins. Had Chaz Schilens played all year he would be still starting and we would have more wins. Chaz made a great catch in this game for Grads especially on 4th down to get that win. Russell didn’t have that most of the year. He had two babies running into each other and stumbling all over the field.
It’s been an unfortunate year two for Russell but you’ll see what I mean as these WR’s develope if we get rid of Russell we will without a doubt regret it. Trust me. But in the mean time and between time enjoy Grads. Russell definitely needed to sit for his own good I just don’t see it lasting too long. I just don’t.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:31 am
Priesst,
This is what needs to happen before Russell can be taken seriously as an NFL QB.
Russell needs to start showing that he is serious about being a leader, hard worker and being a winner.
That means he needs to use all that money he doesn’t deserve on a personal trainer and lose 15-20 pounds and get in the best shape of his life and put in long hours of studying film instead of spending that undeserved money on drinking, bling, and just flat out being lazy.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:32 am
Guy’s stop with the crap will ya’ no one blames anyone but Russell for Russell’s problems at least I don’t. He needed to sit………period
I just don’t see Grads holdng that job long term………period.
All Russell has to do is get his head straight, Cable has intimated as much many times. That Russell is indeed the longterm answer for this team. I’m just tellling you what the coaches are saying.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:34 am
This is exactly what Russell needs is a mentor the same as Grads had in Garcia for a couple of years and to put in the work……….that’s it………..period
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 am
By then he’ll be all of 25 years old and ready…….period.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 am
so called “Real Madden Raider”, you are an idiot. keep blowing your buddies behind the podium like you have been all season. i have read these comments all year and had to register on this website just to let you know what a sissy, goat loving moron you are. i know it would be a waste of time to tell you to shut the hell up so i am very curious what kind of crap you will have to say now. it is actually entertaining reading your nonsense and moronic ramblings.
will be at the thanksgiving game supporting my team, not yours. this team belongs to the true fans not some heroine junkie that gets on the computer at his local library. i would have thought that they would have kicked you out by now for the stinch. take care douchebag!!!!;
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:42 am
oh by the way, very proud of “our” team today.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:42 am
Priest,as bad as DHB has been he has made 2 clutch 3rd down receptions for 1st downs from BG the last 2 games.that has been there all year.but as i’ve said before my main problem is his desire and drive and i don’t think that can be changed overnight.he is the one who should be telling his young WRs they have to stay late,they have to come in on their days off.this is his 3dr year and he should be leading them not waiting for them to ask him for extra work.you like to mention watching film,well i want him working on the field as well.i find it hard to believe if he doesn’t have that burning desire to be the best,he will suddenly find it.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 am
Oh yeah….and Al Davis still sucks!
I’m happy for the players and Coopers family for the win…..not Al Davis…he still needs to go!
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 am
TheRealJacksonRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 am
so called “Real Madden Raider”,….i know it would be a waste of time to tell you to shut the hell up so i am very curious what kind of crap you will have to say now.
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I have nothing to say now. I mean, the Raiders just won the Super Bowl.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:50 am
We’re 3-7.
We have a quarterback who’s just a little better than JaMarcus Russell.
I mean, what’s not to celebrate?
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
Gradkowski should be kept in there for rest of the year….until he screws up badly and costs wins…..
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When would his supporters cop to that? He can throw 10 picks in one game and they’ll blame someone other than him.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:55 am
it was actually more than just a game today. i am pretty sure that it meant the “world” to Marquis Cooper’s family. wife, mom and daughter. good for them. so i would guess that to them, this was a “super bowl”
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:58 am
It would be nice if Coopers family witnessed a real Raider victory, and not just one that was handed to us via a lucky fumble. They got screwed.
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 am
Anybody else get infected today while watching the game on adthe.net???
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 am
what exactly is a real raider victory? what exactly is a real victory in the NFL? please explain. enlighten us.
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 am
And I also feel sorry for the Coopers in that the last time Marquis played for was the drama circus known as the Oakland Raiders. A woman beating coach, a team that sabotages their first round black quarterback, an owner who doesn’t like smart black athletes, and that’s just the beginning of it. Because Cooper played here last, they have this default link to the team and of course they have to show up to games when invited, just out of formality. I’m certain this trip to Oakland was more work than it was pleasure for the Coopers.
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:06 am
what happens if you’re infected? I haven’t ran my spyware or antivirus scanners in a few days. I haven’t noticed any problems.
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 am
oh. i wasn’t aware that you know the Coopers personally. my apologies. so, did they explain to you how AD just hated Marquis and wanted him to fail when he came to the raiders?
how have the raiders sabotaged russell? the raiders are so unfair. im sure they thought it would be a great idea to pay someone millions and sabotage them. you make absolutely no sense.
by the way, where did you come up with the name? played your playstation, built an awesome team of imaginary players then decided to call yourself madden. genius!
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:19 am
still waiting for the “real” victory explanation.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:52 am
I like the name Bruce…don’t like the turnovers
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:33 am
After the game… I wonder what JRock was doing…
Celebrating with his team? 1st out the door and into the Bentley?
HOPEFULLY… after this spirited performance, a short week will keep the feeling around for the game against The Boys.
On a different note, had we laid another egg, it would have been interesting to see the attendance of the next game!!
34,112 was the TOTAL this week!
1-9 Tampa @ home had 62,720
Even Cleveland at Detroit had 43,170.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:13 am
>On a different note, had we laid another egg, it >would have been interesting to see the attendance of >the next game!!
>34,112 was the TOTAL this week!
It can’t get too much lower because of season ticket holders and that number reflects tickets sold. It would be interesting if they published the number of no shows which they used to but the league stopped doing it.
Goodell needs to fold this franchise. There is no interest whatsoever and they are a total embarrassment with their antics.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 am
I definitely sense a difference in locker room attitude this year, and I think Cable brings that to the table.
I don’t think he’s necessarily the brightest coach. I don’t see him as overly creative in game-planning or play calling. In the future it would be good to have him get an Offense Coordinator so he can lean on someone like he leans on John Marshall for defense.
But he seems to keep his team upbeat and competitive when the fan base seems like a bunch of whining pansies.
I think we’re not that bad of a team now. I really believe if we just put a consistent and moderately reliable QB in there we would be minimally 5-5 right now. That would mean we’d still be in a playoff hunt. That’s how much I think playing Russell hurt the team.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 am
Good win. Makes Thursdays game interesting since the Cowboys are playing crappy. Our defense played tough and Emotep did his job. He wasn’t great but he got it done and he didn’t look like child amongst men. Keep the mojo going! EMO-TEP, EMO-TEP, EMO-TEP…
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:11 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 am
… a team that sabotages their first round black quarterback, an owner who doesn’t like smart black athletes, and that’s just the beginning of it.
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Now I know you’re just clowning around. Yeah, Al Davis threw $60 million at some kid just so he could sabotage him because he’s black.
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:33 am
We won baby! The D pulled it out! Grad was ok, nothing spectacular, but hey, it’s his first start…so Grad’s first start: 17/34, 183, 2 td 1 int….Gannon’s first start 16/31, 227, 0 td 1 int… I bet MR was in here back in ‘99 bytching about Gannon (34) not being the future and how everything sucks, etc…. A win is a win baby, I friggin enjoyed it! The D was awesome!
November 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 am
… a team that sabotages their first round black quarterback, an owner who doesn’t like smart black athletes, and that’s just the beginning of it.
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You can call Al Davis a lot of things, and you can judge him all you want, be one thing he has PROVEN, not through stupid blog words but through actions is that he is not a RACIST. jeesh
November 23rd, 2009 at 8:55 am
Gritty Raider victory!!!! Chaz, thanks for showing up at 75% and making a hugh difference. Murphy has skills and should recognized as the # 2 reciever, Chaz #1 when healthy. The Raiders are learning the hard way money does not always make the player.The player must earn the position through hard work and dedication and should not be expected to be treated as royalty because of what the Raider organization thinks he can achieve.
I don’t care what color the win comes from as long as the Raiders win.I like the position the Raiders are taking, put the best man in there to get the win. I would think it would be that simple for Raiders fans.In my opinion, Russell had and still has a fair shot at starting if he is the best player.
Enjoy the win Raiders fans. Wins in the NFL don’t come easy.
Raiders Be With You.
November 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
Realmadden,
If you hate the Raiders and all the posters here so much, leave.
We don’t need to hear your pathetic dogma.
You’re like some grouchy old man who hates anything good.
November 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
I kinda don’t understand something and that is the reference to one QB being white and the other being black. I really don’t think that that fact had anything to do with who plays and who doesn’t. It’s unfortunate that some people still feel that way.
What it really comes down to is that Russell was given a good chance to prove he could be a starting QB in this league and did not take that chance and do something with it. Is this all Russell’s fault not completely a high percentage of it is. His inaccurate passing and bad decision making are his to own.
I for one put a lot of the blame squarely on Mr Davis and Russell’s agent shoulders for giving him a guaranteed contract. What other job in the world gives you your paycheck before you show up to work? What motivation does the guy have to improve his game or work on his skills if he has already been paid? So for me it comes down to self fortitude and we have all seen what the results have been so far.
Benching Russell hopefully for his sake is the best thing that could have ever happen to the guy, because now maybe it will bring out the competitor in the guy and he will go to work like the rest of us and earn his way back into the starting position and become the QB that all the Raiders fan’s thought he was going to be when he was drafted.
As far as Grad’s go’s did he have a great game no not really, but I don’t think that is the point. To me the point is that the team responded to him. I was at the game and it seemed to me that the whole team was playing with more focus and with the attitude that they could win the game not just show up.
So in the end the result is a win and isn’t that why they play the game?????????
November 23rd, 2009 at 10:38 am
Just like I said before: Gradkowski will have the best game a Raider QB has had all year. BOOM!!
That prediction was a no brainer. JaMarcus is not ready, he was happy being a back-up and collecting his cash. I hope Al dumps his fat ass. Grads is in no way the answer, but he is definitely a band-aid that we need. I’m so f’ing tired of losing. lol…
I see a win on Thursday against the fading Cowboys. Bet on it.
November 23rd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Hey Real Madden Raider
I think maybe you need to stop talking about people who you obviously do not know.
I know for a fact that the Coopers were glad to be at the game and appreciated what the team did for them. I am a personal friend of the Coopers and was sitting in between Marquis mom and wife at the game. This family has been through a lot and it was nice to see that the Raider organization has not for got about them.
So please if you do not know someone do not get on here and pretend to know how they feel because you obviously don’t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 23rd, 2009 at 11:57 am
The real MR, last night I called Jamarcus and apologized because I truly didnt know that you and him were a item. Its not fair to pick on you M R because your a homosexual. We understand that love makes us do and say crazy things but I think it would be best if Jamarcus was traded and the two of you can go and be happy some where else.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
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November 23rd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 am
And I also feel sorry for the Coopers in that the last time Marquis played for was the drama circus known as the Oakland Raiders. A woman beating coach, a team that sabotages their first round black quarterback, an owner who doesn’t like smart black athletes, and that’s just the beginning of it. Because Cooper played here last, they have this default link to the team and of course they have to show up to games when invited, just out of formality. I’m certain this trip to Oakland was more work than it was pleasure for the Coopers.
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This is by far one the dumbest things I have read on the internet in quite some time. To bring the Coopers into this, is just low. Then to call Al Davis a bigot? That’s a hell of a reach.
I really hope “The Real MaddenRaider” doesn’t believe all of the nonsense he spews. Where is the evidence that the Raiders are sabotaging their “first round black quarterback”? What does race even have to do with this? Is he really implying that JaMarcus Russell is a “smart black athlete”?
I think it’s pretty obvious that Russell’s bulb doesn’t shine all that bright. It’s also pretty obvious that if the light hasn’t cut on for Russell by now, it never will, when it comes to dedication to the game and how to be a true leader. He just doesn’t have “it”, and “it” is something you must have when your the overall number one pick in the draft.
I am sorry to say it Russell supporters, but the Raiders best chance to win, is with your boy on the bench. BG is not the savior, but he has better command of the huddle, better preparation for the game, and better accuracy. Sure, he only did slightly better, stat-wise, than a typical Russell game, but he brought intangibles that Russell just doesn’t have. Russell has had his shot, now it’s time to be a student of the game. If he can’t win the starting job back in the off season, then he’ll never develop into anything more than an average back-up.
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
So it seems that everyone in the “Grad vs. JRuss” debate is forgetting the fact that JRuss was drafted NUMBER ONE overall. The critics of Grad say that we played conservative, ran the ball and thereby gave him the best chance to succeed. And those same critics say in support of JRuss that if we applied the same theory, he would still be the starting QB. However, we didn’t spend an NUMBER ONE OVERALL pick on a QB to hand the ball off 75% of the time. We drafted JRuss because of his ability to throw the balls, lots of times, and deeper than anyone else. We drafted JRUSS to WIN GAMES, not just “keep us competitive”. Any scrub like a Frye or Gradkowski can “keep us competitive”. We drafted JRuss to WIN ballgames, which he has not done consistently.
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I think this says it best.
Quote from the Press Democrat: “Gradkowski did something essential for the Raiders, something Russell almost never does. He provided a minimum standard of what a quarterback can and must be.
The operative word is “minimum.” Russell, for whatever reasons – and the reasons are legion – cannot reach even a minimum standard enough of the time.”
How anyone can argue with that, is beyond me. It’s time for Russell to watch and learn, if he’s truly interested.
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