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No time to celebrate

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 23rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.

With a Wednesday trip to Dallas and a date with the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, there was little time for the Raiders to bask in the glory of their remarkable 20-17 win over the Bengals.

Who knows? Maybe the condensed week will alter whatever chemistry has caused the Raiders to face-plant after their previous two wins. Following a 13-10 win over Kansas City, the Raiders were non-competitive in a 23-3 loss to the Denver Broncos.

Then, after a stirring 13-9 win over the Philadelphia Eagles, coach Tom Cable went out his way to refute the notion that the Raiders didn’t know how to handle success, fully expecting someting special against the New York Jets.

Final score: Jets 38, Raiders 0.

Combined score following wins: Opponents 61, Raiders 3.

“You know, it couldn’t hurt. If it’s something different, hopefully we can make it an advantage coming in,” defensive end Jay Richardson said. “I think it’ll be fine.”

Richardson was at a loss to explain the post-win flops.

“I don’t know the formula for that not happening,” Richradson said. “All I know is the bottom line is we have to have a quick turnaround this week. We’ve got Dallas in 72 hours, or whatever, we got to go there on Thanksgiving, and I don’t think we really have time to sit around relishing the victory.

`Today we’ve got a practice, which I know some guys aren’t thrilled about, but we’ve got to get ready to go.”

The Raiders haven’t played on Thanksigving since 1970 against the Detroit Lions. Playing on Thursday alters the normal routine players use to recover physically and be ready the following Sunday.

“You’re not quite back to where you want to be but really we take pretty good care of our bodies this week in practice,” tight end Zach Miller said. “We won’t be doing as much this week as we normally do. You’re pretty good by the time you get to game time. If you get any ding though that’s tough to get back from in such a short time.”

Most prominent among the “dinged” players is defensive end Richard Seymour, who left the Bengals game after the first series with a lower back strain and did not return.

“I just talked to him a little bit, he said he just tweaked something back there, so I’m hoping he’s ready to go,” Richardson said. “We know we need him, so hopefully he’ll be ready to roll. If not, I’ll do what I do.”

Linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba , who also didn’t finish the game with a knee injury, said he was awaiting results of an MRI, but sounded optimistic.

More following Cable’s Monday press conference . . .

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  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Thec07 Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    since we dont develop a QB’s who are we going to pick up in FA?

    Vick?
    __________________________

    Arff!

  • NorthernD

    KoolKell Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
    NorthernD Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm

    Developing QB’s has never been the way Davis has run his ship.
    He prefers to bring in veteran QB’s and let them lead the team. The time when he likes to draft QB’s is when he already has a pro-bowl QB as the starter.
    Look at the history. He drafted Stabler when Lamonica was tearing it up. Marc Wilson when Plunkett was on fire. Tui with Gannon. Davis has a pattern.
    He likes to draft the explosive athlete in the draft, and give the QB job to an older vet from another team.
    Hostetler, George, Gannon, Plunkett…the list goes on.
    ——————————-
    6 winning seasons in 20 years.

    The Last 7:

    09′ 2-7
    08′ 5-11
    07′ 4-12
    06′ 2-14
    05′ 4-12
    04′ 5-11
    03′ 4-12

    Laughingstock of the NFL is the bottom line.
    ============================================
    I didn’t say it was the correct way to do things, but it is the Al Davis way.
    So that’s the way it gets done.
    Stubborn old man….

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Ryan Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
    Dakota,

    South Dakota State will fall this weekend!

    MONTANA GRIZZLIES! (clap, clap, clap – clap – clap) MONTANA GRIZZLIES!

    ________________________

    Good! I am a Yote! Down with the Rabbits!

    MONTANA GRIZZLIES! (clap, clap, clap – clap – clap) MONTANA GRIZZLIES!

  • jhill

    Thec07 Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
    since we dont develop a QB’s who are we going to pick up in FA?

    Vick?

    —————————————————–

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    I say we stick with mini Garcia for now. We tried to get us a big armed QB with Collins, Walter, and now Russell. Didn’t work out. I say stick with Mini Garcia, and try your damndest to get Russell’s head out of his arse!

  • TrueRaider

    I dont think Vick is any good, he cant pass accurately and he is not the athlete he was, did you see that 34 yard in the wild cat, sure doesnt seem to have the speed that he had. I want a QB that knows how to operate from center, many QBs can play from the shot gun position but hardly few of them can play from the center.

  • Larz

    Young QBs were never expected to start back in the Snakes day.

    You look at some of the other young QBs around the league and they have all had to go through what Russell had to.

    Leinhart
    Young
    Eli
    Smith
    Sanchez
    and yes Gannon too.
    One only has to look at Bradshaw’s first 5 years to understand this.

    All the above had decent receivers to help as well.

    Not every QB comes into a Big Ben situation and even he had LESS than half the feild to worry about let alone saving a franchise.

    JR will be OK as long as he stays with it and works hard, realisticly he should have never been forced into the situation but thats the new NFL and he is part of that generation.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Vick got bent over so much in prison that scouts thought he would be playing center this year.

  • NorthernD

    Vick is done in this league. His starting days are over.

  • Larz

    Dakota:

    Travis Lulay is playing QB for the BC Lions did you see him play in College I think he played for Montana.

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Sorry when any ex-Raider gets injured. Fabian Washington is out for the year with an ACL tear. Once a Raider, always a Raider.

    So leave JR, I promise to say the same about you,

  • TrueRaider

    I dont mind Vick as a backup but not a starter.

  • jhill

    I didn’t want Leinart coming out of college, but he might be worth taking a flyer on now. He’s had the chance to sit behind Warner, and it seems like he’s finally letting the Hollywood stuff go and taking his game seriously.

    If we are going to keep the WCO, there is no need to keep Russell around.

  • Thec07

    Before we get a QB, we may want to get a real front office, that would mean running Mr. Davis, herrera, trask, taylor, and all the other Mr. Davis bootlicks out of town…

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Sorry Larz, I didn’t see him play…

  • NorthernD

    Larz Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
    Young QBs were never expected to start back in the Snakes day.
    ==================================================
    The offences in college were far less sophisticated than they were at the pro level. There was a huge gap between the two levels. Now the gap has closed and some college teams run very complicated O’s, like USC for example.
    College QB’s are much more prepared to play than they were before.
    The NFL wasn’t a year round business like it is today. So JR doesn’t get that five year grace period anymore.

  • NorthernD

    Larz:
    If someone is playing in the CFL, then there’s still something missing from his game. Size? Speed? Experience? A few players have made the transition though.

  • Ryan

    Travis Lulay played for Montana State.

  • jhill

    exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm

    Sorry when any ex-Raider gets injured. Fabian Washington is out for the year with an ACL tear. Once a Raider, always a Raider.

    ——————————————————

    It’s amazing how these guys knees are going out these days. I was actually watching that play, and Fabes didn’t do anything but give a guy a shoulder to help him out of bounds. I was amazed that it was a bad knee injury on the replay, but you just see if give out for no apparent reason. Guys just didn’t get hurt like this back in the day. Everyone is going down.

  • Richochet

    # Larz Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm

    Young QBs were never expected to start back in the Snakes day.

    You look at some of the other young QBs around the league and they have all had to go through what Russell had to.

    Leinhart
    Young
    Eli
    Smith
    Sanchez
    and yes Gannon too.
    One only has to look at Bradshaw’s first 5 years to understand this.

    JR will be OK as long as he stays with it and works hard, realisticly he should have never been forced into the situation but thats the new NFL and he is part of that generation.
    ===============
    One component that separates that list from JR.
    Desire.
    Most if not all on that list busted ass. Put in the extra time to learn the game, work on their skills, study the playbook.
    Because there is that learning curve that most seem to need times behind center to perfect, if you don’t come onto the field having already done everything possible to prepare yourself for that moment, you’re already in trouble.

    Russell had a whole season to learn the playbook. Most new qb’s on a team? have mini-camp and training camp to learn the whole playbook, and most do.
    Russell had a whole year, and still didn’t have it down.
    That’s just plain lack of desire.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Oakland Raider 1st Round Draft Picks since 1989 (20 years)

    90′ Anthony Smith
    91′ Todd Marinovich
    92′ Chester McGlocton *
    93′ Patrick Bates
    94′ Rob Frederickson
    95′ Napoleon Kauffman
    96′ Rickey Dudl97′
    97′ Darrell Russell
    98′ Charles Woodson *
    99′ Matt Stinchcomb
    00′ Sebastian Janokowski
    01′ Patrick Gibson
    02′ Phillip Buchanon
    03′ Nnamdi Asomough *
    04′ Robert Gallery
    05′ Fabian Washington
    06′ Michael Huff
    07′ JaMarcus Russsell
    08′ Darren McFadden
    09′ Darrius Heyward Bey

    3 First Round Raider Draft Picks have made a Pro-Bowl appearance in the last 20 years.

    So, it’s not just QB’s that they’re not good at developing, right?

  • jhill

    Thec,

    Hit and miss, man!

    I like a lot of the players that front office has given us. From Nnamdi Gallery, Henderson, Schillens, Shaugnessy, Branch, Bryant, Huff, Howard, and Murphy. I like the potential of DMAC and Bush. I like the FA pickups of CJ, Satele (finally coming around), and Russell the Muscle.

    It hasn’t been all bad.

  • jhill

    I think it’s pretty simple with Russell. I don’t know the guy, or haven’t been privy to practices so I’m just going to keep it at square peg in a round hole.

    Russell was a shotgun QB in limited college starts, not a QB who played under center, right?

    No way Russell should have been paired with a WCO staff in Kiffin, Knapp, Cable and Co. And to now saddle him with Cable and WCO guy Hackett is a bad idea. If we are going to stick with Cable and Hackett we need to stick with Grads and maybe try and trade for a guy like Lienart.

  • Mike Davis 36

    KoolKell Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    3 First Round Raider Draft Picks have made a Pro-Bowl appearance in the last 20 years.
    **************************************

    4 — Darrell Russell made a couple.

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Fabian was 2005 draft pick. Surprise. A 4.25 40 in the combine caught AD’s eye. Who would have thought? lol

  • RaiderSam

    Fabian was 2005 draft pick. Surprise. A 4.25 40 in the combine caught AD’s eye. Who would have thought? lol
    —————————————————-

    Yes, we saw him toasted with butter by Peyton Manning on a pass to Pierre Garcon

  • RaiderSam

    Oakland Raider 1st Round Draft Picks since 1989 (20 years)

    90′ Anthony Smith
    91′ Todd Marinovich
    92′ Chester McGlocton *
    93′ Patrick Bates
    94′ Rob Frederickson
    95′ Napoleon Kauffman
    96′ Rickey Dudley′
    97′ Darrell Russell
    98′ Charles Woodson *
    99′ Matt Stinchcomb
    00′ Sebastian Janokowski
    01′ Patrick Gibson
    02′ Phillip Buchanon
    03′ Nnamdi Asomough *
    04′ Robert Gallery
    05′ Fabian Washington
    06′ Michael Huff
    07′ JaMarcus Russsell
    08′ Darren McFadden
    09′ Darrius Heyward Bey

    3 First Round Raider Draft Picks have made a Pro-Bowl appearance in the last 20 years.

    and uh…how many head coaches, position coach changes during that time frame (other than the Gruden years).

    yeah, thats what I thought. Continuity helps. Charles Woodson by far was the best CB…my only hope is that he goes into the HOF as a Raider

  • Larz

    Thanks Ryan,

    I knew Lulay had a pretty good career.

    He looked pretty good until he got hurt.

    CFL is a totally differnt game.

    And there ARE 3 QBs that are better than half of the starters in the NFL.
    They just will not give their starting jobs at their stage of life to hold a clipboard.

    Most of them went through the NFL merry-go round.

    Not saying one is better than the other just not for everybody especially a veteran QB.

  • Larz

    Jhill 124 post.

    Could not agree more.

    The good teams don’t just draft talent they draft for scheme.

    And they allow their offense to be compatable with the defense they run.

    Our vertical game never fit with our MtM defense.
    Bad combination.

    Denver’s defense improved because they went ball control.

    Ours looked better this week too, ….

  • Frank YoooooooLLL

    You talk good story True Raider, respect for others, and you never know who your fkn with………. really. And dont spank your kids….they have guns now.

  • Larz

    Darrell Russell was a heartbreaker.

    HOF gifts, what a waste.

    He was as good as Reggie White coming out of college.

    Maybe it’s the name?

  • NorthernD

    7 DB’s on that list. Al’s always been a big believer in having shutdown corners and dominating, knock out safeties.
    He had great success with George Atkinson and Jack Tatum, but that was back in the days when you could “clothesline” receivers coming over the middle. That’s why he reached for Mike Mitchell in the 2nd round. Must have reminded him of Jack Tatum.
    But the rules have changed and you can barely touch WR’s now. Knocking guys out with helmet to helmet hits isn’t in the game plan anymore.
    I wish someone would tell Al before they draft USC safety Taylor Mays next, instead of someone they accually use.

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  • NorthernD

    130.Larz Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
    Darrell Russell was a heartbreaker.

    HOF gifts, what a waste.

    He was as good as Reggie White coming out of college.
    ====================================================
    They also let go of Chester McGlockton just before they drafted him. They let him go as a free agent to KC.
    That would have been something to have those two playing beside each other. There would not have been enough bodies on offence to block them both.
    They had Sapp and Ted Washington together too but they were both past their prime.

  • djohnnyg

    It’s high time we give Mr. Davis his props for giving us a great Raider victory to enjoy yesterday.

    Yesterdays game shows that the man and his genius is still very much intact.

    With victories against Phila. and Cincy, no one can deny that the “Commitment to Excellence” is alive and well in Raiderland.

    Let me be the first to say “Thank you Mr. Davis”. You have earned our love and respect once again.

  • djohnnyg

    I know I speak for many others on this forum that you have complete trust in bringing back the Raiders to glory. It began yesterday, in the fading sunshine of the Oakland Coliseum, before a packed stadium of Raider faithful, the whispers of Raider glory were heard loud and clear, and we listened; oh how we listened, as the statement rang loud and clear- The winds of Autumn have spoken the name, and that name is ALLAN DAVIS!

    We stand united in support and admiration of the Hall of Famer who not only united two professional football leagues, but was the architect of the franchise of all franchises…The Oakland Raiders..”The Team of the Decades”. Let your song be sung oh glorious one, and your legacy live on and never be made to totter, for it was spoken by the ancients, and the song is to be sung by generations to come.

  • mariogee

    Can we cut Russell next year and not take a cap hit?

  • mariogee

    We cant draft worth a you know what…..I almost lost it when we passed on crabtree… did anyone see his game against Green Bay the guy can actually catch the ball! Unlike some other 1st round picks As a matter of fact I think all the recivers picked in the 1st round have outplayed Heyward no hands Bay

  • mariogee

    By the way whats goin on with 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott Mike Mitchell I have only seen him play on special teams and some goal line defense..We could have drafted someone who really could have helped us with the 2nd pick

  • http://www.cuntnation.com jupe

    the raiders didn’t develop stabler–he was just talented & knew what to do to win. i used to see him at the pop inn in alameda at 6:00 am for his early sessions.

  • http://www.cuntnation.com jupe

    lulay played for montana state & led the bobcats to 3 victories over the rival montana grizzlies during his college career.

  • Nnamdi21

    Oakland played the entire game with passion and agression especially on D. Usually a big play or bad penaltiy deflates them and its ride the clock out time. Not this Sunday.

    They’re fully capable of playing with fire and intesity and if they do they’ll win more games.

    Go production from the 2nd stringers and newbies whcih is hella encouraging.

    Routt (!!!) atoned for a potentially devastating rough the passer penalty inside our 10 yd line with a huge sack that ended up taking away ANY score by Cincy.

    Jay Richardson was all over the field making plays.

    SAM WILLIAMS played tough against the run and had several nice plays on the other side of the ball.

    Lets hope he stays healthy enough to contribute and that Oaklands special teams don’t break down.

    A win over dallas would make a happy Thanks giving indeed…

  • Nnamdi21

    mariogee Says:
    November 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
    By the way whats goin on with 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott Mike Mitchell I have only seen him play on special teams and some goal line defense..We could have drafted someone who really could have helped us with the 2nd pick

    ================================

    Got a feeling he will. Coming from a smaller school it was a given he’d struggle to get up to speed in coverage but he’s quietly been a force and a very solid tackler.

    We suddenly have some depth at Safety. Branch was phenomenal Sunday.

  • manassamauler

    gradkowski is a better QB than russell. grad made some clutch throws, russell makes clutch fumbles. gradkowski came through when it mattered, thats what winners do. russell has shown that he CAN’T get it done.russell has all the talent but he hasn’t been able to use it yet. right now gradkowski is the #1 QB. russell will probably have to wait until training camp next year, if he’s still on the team, to try and win his job back.

    Oh and some posters like Jhill like to say the defense won the game. well gee i wonder if maybe the defense played better KNOWING that the offense could get the job done? thats how TEAM sports are, you count on other people!!! wow, and if you’re other teammates are screwing up it’ll affect your play.just the facts. no trust or belief in each other makes a sorry ass team.

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  • Raider Joe

    Realmaddenraider, you can’t actually believe that Russell’s only problem was poor playcalling.Wake up, JaMarcus is a bust. I refused to admit it too.But the idea that Russell got a raw deal from Cable? Come on.This guy was given more of a shot than most would have been in that position.Russell’s problem is Russell. He is lazy and refuses to accept responsibility for his own problems.Her’s more interested than hanging out with his dogs ‘up in the club’ than being an NFL QB.We heard that every week. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt myself for a long time. But reality is reality, my friend. That is why he is on the bench. Obviously there is going to be a few different plays for Gradkowski that maybe you wouldn’t call for Russell. Bruce doesn’t have as strong an arm. But claiming that Russell would be fine if only cable called better plays when he was starting is ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong, Cable has no business calling plays, but he basically tried every play you could think of and Russell still couldn’t make good decisions or hit WR’s that were open. So maybe Cable isn’t the best playcaller, and the WR’s are rookies that need work. But it says something when you change QB’s and suddenly the offense is able to move the ball, receivers are catching passes. No,it was way past time for Russell to get the hook. Now, hopefully, the next step is he gets the axe.

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