No time to celebrate
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 23rd, 2009 at 1:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.
With a Wednesday trip to Dallas and a date with the Cowboys on Thanksgiving, there was little time for the Raiders to bask in the glory of their remarkable 20-17 win over the Bengals.
Who knows? Maybe the condensed week will alter whatever chemistry has caused the Raiders to face-plant after their previous two wins. Following a 13-10 win over Kansas City, the Raiders were non-competitive in a 23-3 loss to the Denver Broncos.
Then, after a stirring 13-9 win over the Philadelphia Eagles, coach Tom Cable went out his way to refute the notion that the Raiders didn’t know how to handle success, fully expecting someting special against the New York Jets.
Final score: Jets 38, Raiders 0.
Combined score following wins: Opponents 61, Raiders 3.
“You know, it couldn’t hurt. If it’s something different, hopefully we can make it an advantage coming in,” defensive end Jay Richardson said. “I think it’ll be fine.”
Richardson was at a loss to explain the post-win flops.
“I don’t know the formula for that not happening,” Richradson said. “All I know is the bottom line is we have to have a quick turnaround this week. We’ve got Dallas in 72 hours, or whatever, we got to go there on Thanksgiving, and I don’t think we really have time to sit around relishing the victory.
`Today we’ve got a practice, which I know some guys aren’t thrilled about, but we’ve got to get ready to go.”
The Raiders haven’t played on Thanksigving since 1970 against the Detroit Lions. Playing on Thursday alters the normal routine players use to recover physically and be ready the following Sunday.
“You’re not quite back to where you want to be but really we take pretty good care of our bodies this week in practice,” tight end Zach Miller said. “We won’t be doing as much this week as we normally do. You’re pretty good by the time you get to game time. If you get any ding though that’s tough to get back from in such a short time.”
Most prominent among the “dinged” players is defensive end Richard Seymour, who left the Bengals game after the first series with a lower back strain and did not return.
“I just talked to him a little bit, he said he just tweaked something back there, so I’m hoping he’s ready to go,” Richardson said. “We know we need him, so hopefully he’ll be ready to roll. If not, I’ll do what I do.”
Linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba , who also didn’t finish the game with a knee injury, said he was awaiting results of an MRI, but sounded optimistic.
More following Cable’s Monday press conference . . .
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November 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
JRUSS SUX he is the black ryan leaf
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
JRUSS——>BRL….
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
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True Raider, I’ll happily await any quotes you have from players saying that Russell being benched motivates them. And I love the way you put it, too. “what you guys don’t realize is”. LOL. Like you’re an insider! You just assume the team feels the same way about Russell as you do, without one single quote from one player. You’ve figured this out from your living room, and having never met a Raider player in your life. I love this blog. Nonstop entertainment.
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
BRL——> Love nathans hot dogs by the dozen on the sidelines….
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Thanks Jerry – I for one am excited about the game on Thursday.
This win does have a different feel than the previous 2
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
`Today we’ve got a practice, which I know some guys aren’t thrilled about, but we’ve got to get ready to go.”
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Just a bit more house cleaing to go folks. The guys who are not thrilled about getting ready for a game in a couple of days need to be coached up a little harder!
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Dallas has the same amout of time to prep for the game…no excuses Cable!
lmao
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
True Raider, the point is, we changed the playbook for Gradkowski, giving him more throws to the running back. Why not the changes for Russell?
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Show the blog where the truth is in this statement?
what proof do you have the playbook was changed?
Those passes to me to the RB’s look like checkdowns.
Black Ryan Leaf has zero touch, and cant hit ANYONE in stride, and most of the time throws all over the place.
Black ryan Leaf doesnt know half of the playbook, and only sees half the field. Any more info would cause a cranium meltdown for BRL….
Waiting….
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Repost I have answered you, would you answer what I asked an hour back.
# TrueRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
True Raider, any quotes from players to back that up? What player said straight up that with Russell out of there, the team is more motivated? You’re making things up, now? Is that it?
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Sure, it is not direct quotes but that what it sounds like. Btw, since I am providing the quotes, why dont you prove that the play calling was switched for Grad, I gave the link for the game, give me mins and quarter, please back it up like I am doing.
“Bruce gives us the best chance to win right now,” tight end Zach Miller said.
“One, a passion for the game, a love for the game that he shows in the way he plays, the way he calls plays,” Fargas said. “The way he works on details of plays with players. That’s the main thing I’m seeing with him. It’s just, he’s a get-after-it type of guy.
“You want to make a play for your quarterback, but when he shows that type of passion for the game, obviously guys are going to feed off it and try to give him that same effort.”
“I think they have respect for me,” Gradkowski said of his teammates. “The important thing is they know I’m going to prepare and work hard. If you do that, you just have to go out on game day and play hard and let the chips fall into place.”
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:57 pm
I agree Thec…same plays short passes Grads could complete Jmac didnt.After you can complete a couple passes Cincy defence had 2 respect Grads accuracy which THEN inturn opened up the book 4 a believe it or not…taaa daaa…the ‘ole 29 quick-pitch 2 Fargas of all RB’s!!!When Fargas can get you 9 yards on a 1st and 10 with a pitch…you know the defense respects your QB…Jmac never got respect from D’s we faced,imo
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
thought the raiders played dallas five or so years ago on thanksgiving???
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
No Players are going to come out and say JR isn’t working hard enough during the week, but, you can take all the comments abour BG, that we’ve NEVER heard them say about JR.
Says a lot about their perception of JR…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
It was the same playbook. Nothing but dumpoffs to the RBs and TE. Nothing downfield until the end of the game. That’s why it was STILL ineffective. Murphy and DHB didn’t have a single catch until under 1 minute left in the game.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Yeah, the message is pretty clear about JR. Everyone loves the guy on the team, but enough of that, he needs to without question be the hardest working guy on the team. Not DHB, or Fargas, or Frye. It should be Russell.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Oh by the way if you wanna read the article
http://www.sacbee.com/raiders/story/2340677.html?mi_rss=Raiders
Btw, MR, just wondering do you play any sports? If you wanna meet up with true brothers (cant use the N word), you welcome to come down to Kings Boxing Gym in East Oakland, you can wear some gloves and try to last a round with me, I am 100% sure you are not man enough to this challenge, we can call all the guys in this forum to come see how tough you are, but you know you just a chump who acts hard online, you dont hang around with brothers, cause true bros know how to treat each other if not, someone is leaving with knocked out jaws. So you down to see me???
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
True Raider,
Zack Miller. That’s it. I’ll give you that.
Fargas, on the other hand, doesn’t distinguish Gradkowski from Russell. He just praises Gradkowski. So that doesn’t prove anything.
Then, you quote Gradkowski? Are you serious? What’s next, do we ask murderers rather or not their guilty, and if they say no, we let them walk? I think the point of this is to get players’ opinions other than Gradkowskis. Of course he’s going to spin it to make it seem like the players want him. Do you think he likes the idea that he’s nothing more than a career backup, which is what he really is?
You said that the team was more motivated because Russell was benched. You’ve got one quote from Miller, where he doesn’t exactly say that, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt since he does distinguish the two and puts his vote behind Graddkowski.
I didn’t see a motivated team yesterday until the final 2 minutes, and the playcalling, that Russell never got, helped them. The TD pass was underneath. All I ever saw getting called for Russell was over the top passes, almost all of the time. You guys want proof? Watch weeks 3 through 10.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Now with that said, Grads puts in all the work in the world, the Oline gave him all day, and the WRs were still not open.
I think a lot of it has to do with Xs and Os. Our guys are pretty easy to identify and cover. Didn’t see any motion or plays designed to create mismatches. Did we run ONE misdirection play? A screen?
Cable needs an OC!
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
As far as me meeting up with you, True Raider, you need to calm down. I know you get worked up when I catch your dumb ass in a lie, but you have to calm down and learn to roll with it. You’re not kicking anyone’s ass on your computer screen. Go take a time out and count to 20, or something.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Can anyone tell me which running back is the biggest bust in the history of the NFL? I offer up Ki-Jana Carter.
I fully expect DMAC to exceed that level of bust-ocity, no matter which team he fumbles for.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Sapp tried to explain the reason for the inability to win consecutive games. Basically saying the team went and celebrated and mentally checked out instead of maintaining their focus and building on success. Perhaps with a short week they won’t have time for other distractions, and we could have consecutive stellar efforts…
Hey DHB had 7 catches for 103 yards…not a bad game!!!
Oops, those are his stats for the year…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
It’s not rocket science.
In team sports players hate playing with under-performing prima donna’s, especially when the under-performing is due to lack of effort.
By Russell’s own admission, he didn’t come in prepared and in shape.
Then you read about him being last one out on the practice field, first to leave?
Players review game film and see that the person in the most important position on the team is dead last in the NFL for his position? while he STILL has his nose in the air? Running the “I know I’m the guy” with “I think I’m doing fine. Other players need to be where they’re supposed to be”??
IT DOESN’T MATTER IF RUSSELL HAS A MUCH STRONGER ARM than Grab.
What matters is who gives the team the best chance to win, and which player are the rest of the players ready to back.
Ok, let’s make it easier.
List Russell’s attributes that say he SHOULD be the starting qb.
NO, not “if he does so and so” or “once he puts in more effort he can blah blah”..now…today…what are Russell’s pluses??
I honestly can’t think of a one…not a single one.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
4Eva, how you doing on fantasy island? You in 1st place or what?
BRL is garbage playbook being reduced for BRL is a crack smokers dream…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
MR
I dont talk smack, I respect everyone in here but when a bro tries to act hard then its time to back it up, come down n see me or stfu and be respectful to others. If someone disrespects I will be the first one who got your back cause I dont like to see hear anyone disrespecting another bro, u feel me? But if you instigate trouble pick your fights wisely, you never know who you messing with.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Oh, wait.
Russell is tall.
there…that’s a plus.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Can anyone tell me which running back is the biggest bust in the history of the NFL? I offer up Ki-Jana Carter.
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Just off hand I would agree. I read an “all-bust” team by position a few years ago, and he was the RB.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Thec, why do you hate black people so much? And, yes, I understand you might be black yourself. Question stands.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
TrueRaider, you’re still acting way too hard. Go take a timeout. And read a book. Work on the brain. That’s what’s going to prevent you from looking stupid in here, not acting hard and inviting people to meet you for a fight.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
BRL, could grasp the playbook, and Gannon said it best they cut the field in half for the moron. BRL is an idiot….
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Cant seem to break .500 Thec
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
As far as me meeting up with you, True Raider, you need to calm down. I know you get worked up when I catch your dumb ass in a lie, but you have to calm down and learn to roll with it. You’re not kicking anyone’s ass on your computer screen. Go take a time out and count to 20, or something.
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MR
You said Miller I give to you. So how did I lie?
I answered you and quoted you, did you give me what I asked, mins and quarters when the play calling was changed. Ok, I guess you cant, but please answer me these questions?
1) Are you a Blackman?
2) Have you interact with Brothers?
3) If so, why don’t you respect other brothers?
4) How old are you? Do you have any manners?
5) If you a true N, then why you act like a byatch who sacred?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
It’s pointless TrueRaider …
Why are you wasting your time?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Thec, why do you hate black people so much? And, yes, I understand you might be black yourself. Question stands.
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ROFLMAO…..
MR, you are pyscho, nothing i said is self hate, If you knew anything about me you would know my views on such things so try again. I am still waiting for an answer form you on how we intetionally shrank the playbook for BRL, and why? Need proof and sources….
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Richochet
I think I agree with you, too sad ppl stil jock JR when he proved he sucks
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Real Madden?
You’re still upset about your Russell jersey, ain’t cha?
Told you..was stupid of you to announce to everyone that “Going to go and get my new jersey on Friday”, telling everyone that the KC game was Russell’s announcement to the world that he’s a leader on the rise.
But then? Then you waffled, and stated Russell was a hack.
Then? Pointed out your comment, that you initially denied making, then admitted “oh, ok..I was just kidding. I didn’t “really” buy a jersey”
But you did, didn’t you? lol..and now you’re stuck with it.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
4evaRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Cant seem to break .500 Thec
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Hey Bruh, I can work with you as a consultant for a fee, to get you back up to par….
first reccomendation is dont draft Black ryan Leaf…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
NorthernD Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Can anyone tell me which running back is the biggest bust in the history of the NFL? I offer up Ki-Jana Carter.
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Just off hand I would agree. I read an “all-bust” team by position a few years ago, and he was the RB.
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I’d post it if I could remember where I saw it.
Ryan Leaf still gets the at QB over JR. And Ki-Jana is still ahead of McF.
Lawrence Phillps has to be up there on the list. Not just for the off field stuff, but also because he missed the block that ended Steve Young’s career. I’ll always remember him for that.
Glad to see no one mentions Gallery’s name anymore. He’s really become a solid player. Not worth a # 2 pick, but still someone you’d want on your team.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Richochet, I don’t think Russell or Gradkowski are worthy of being starting quarterbacks in this league. My point is that Gradkowski has been handed a more effective playbook. They say it’s because Russell has too good of an arm. So why not saddle him with a deep passing offense a little more up to date than the Flinstones offense they were running with him? I’ve watched every Raider game this year, and could see with my own two eyes that MOST of Russell’s passing plays were too deep of routes, when he would have had a better chance of hitting guys underneath. I understand Russell sucks. I never denied that. I just think the circumstances surrounding his benching, and the coddling of Gradkowski, is suspicious. This is the Raiders. Nothing is ever simple here. That’s a rule of thumb. There is a conspiracy to EVERYTHING in Oakland as long as Al Davis is running this team. Nothing is ever done in the name of winning football games. We’re talking Al Davis, here. He hasn’t prioritized winning football games in decades. So do the math.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
In my entire life, I never heard of a black guy who talks smack but when confronted or challenged backs away.
What sport you played MR? You clearly never been around Ns.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Ok, let’s make it easier.
List Russell’s attributes that say he SHOULD be the starting qb.
NO, not “if he does so and so” or “once he puts in more effort he can blah blah”..now…today…what are Russell’s pluses??
I honestly can’t think of a one…not a single one.
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I can’t think of one either. He’s not ready mentally or physically.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Thec, why do you hate black people so much? And, yes, I understand you might be black yourself. Question stands.
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The exact moment that someone runs the race card is the exact moment they know they’ve lost the discussion, and hope a diversion reply helps save face.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
LOL. Richochet, I was joking about buying a Russell jersey, although I’ll admit to being on the bandwagon in weeks one and two. That’s when Russell was getting better plays put in for him, and we were a better football team for it.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
BRL should be cut… He should not have been starting until he proved himself. Thank Mr Davis for this debacle…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
shut up mr you retard
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Richochet, I’m playing the race card?
He’s calling him the “BLACK Ryan Leaf”. That’s not racial? I think people who accuse someone of confronting another person’s racism of playing the “race card” are in denial, or too dumb to discuss the issue of race. Is that the case with you and Thec?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I got Kurt Warner tossing rocks…Eli scored like 60 points yeaterday to put me at 5-6 for the year
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
MR close your mouth it smells like chit in here
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
BRL, could grasp the playbook, and Gannon said it best they cut the field in half for the moron. BRL is an idiot….
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Thec, Russell is an easy fur coated target. I understand that, but no need twist the facts. Gannon was not thrown out of the building for dissing Russell, was he?
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 3-7
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Can you look at the above figures and tell that Russell did not bring this franchise down?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
True Raider, like I said earlier. Read. Get smart. Work on your brain. The cyber tough guy act is for 12 year olds. Are you 12? Read books. Work out your mind. Get that muscle in tact.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
MR, would it be less “racist” to you if Thec called him the Silver and Black Ryan Leaf? I think the analogy is apt:
Both had enormous expectations and immense physical talent, but both lack the maturity and commitment to succeed.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Thec07
When was the last time the Raiders developed a QB they drafted?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
True Raider, the point is, we changed the playbook for Gradkowski, giving him more throws to the running back. Why not the changes for Russell?
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Show the blog where the truth is in this statement?
what proof do you have the playbook was changed?
Those passes to me to the RB’s look like checkdowns.
Black Ryan Leaf has zero touch, and cant hit ANYONE in stride, and most of the time throws all over the place.
Black ryan Leaf doesnt know half of the playbook, and only sees half the field. Any more info would cause a cranium meltdown for BRL….
Mr I am waiting for your answers Bruh….
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
But Kell, we’re 2 games behind the 2nd runner up! And we “earned” our victory yesterday! So don’t be so negative! Later, Kell. Have fun with these clowns.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
# jhill Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Ok, let’s make it easier.
List Russell’s attributes that say he SHOULD be the starting qb.
NO, not “if he does so and so” or “once he puts in more effort he can blah blah”..now…today…what are Russell’s pluses??
I honestly can’t think of a one…not a single one.
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I can’t think of one either. He’s not ready mentally or physically.
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Exactly.
And worse yet, in his 1 1/2 years behind center, it’s tough to even say JR has a better grasp of defenses, or that he is more comfortable going through the reads.
You add in that he has horrible touch on the ball, footwork is atrocious, seemingly no pocket awareness, and that basic fundamentals need work, it seems he is going to have a tough climb to ever get to a lofty status
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Ok, let’s make it easier.
List Russell’s attributes that say he SHOULD be the starting qb.
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The really sad thing is you can substitute “starting qb” above and put in Head Coach, WRs coach, RBs coach, starting WRs, starting RT, starting MLB, and A LOT of other positions on this team.
List Cable’s attributes and tell me why he should be the HC, OC, and playcaller, lol!
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
MR who are you to tell people to work on their brains. Your the dumbest football fan in North America. Do us a favour and go to the golden gate bridge and jump. Your wasting space on this planet moron.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
So Bo, why can’t he just call Russell another Ryan Leaf? Why does he have to call him the “black Ryan Leaf”? Surely we’re trying to move on from race issues in this country, aren’t we? That’s what we say to the Al Sharptons and Jessie Jacksons. Get over it, it’s in the past, let’s head into the future. How can we do that when people are using phrases like, “the black Ryan Leaf”? Seems to me you just want black people to get beyond racism. You have no intention of doing so.
See you guys later.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Thec07
When was the last time the Raiders developed a QB they drafted?
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1970’s with The one and only,
Kenny The Snake Stabler…. My favorite QB of all time….
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
True Raider, like I said earlier. Read. Get smart. Work on your brain. The cyber tough guy act is for 12 year olds. Are you 12? Read books. Work out your mind. Get that muscle in tact.
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Brains, you cant be serious? You asked for quote I gave it to you. I am still waiting for what I asked for since an hour, tell me which plays, mins and quarters? Here is the link again. All I am asking is you to respect those who give you respect, if not, lets meet up and I show you what I can do. Tell me one time I disrespected for you to say some of the stuff that you said yesterday. Thank you, I act like man and you act like a child, so who is 12 now?
http://gamerewind.nfl.com/nflgr/servlets/inmarket?id=OAK&icampaign=Oak_Blackout_w11_ROS
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Thec07
When was the last time the Raiders developed a QB they drafted?
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1970’s with The one and only,
Kenny The Snake Stabler…. My favorite QB of all time….
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So, in other words, the Raiders aren’t very good at developing QB’s then, right?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
So Bo, why can’t he just call Russell another Ryan Leaf? Why does he have to call him the “black Ryan Leaf”? Surely we’re trying to move on from race issues in this country, aren’t we? That’s what we say to the Al Sharptons and Jessie Jacksons. Get over it, it’s in the past, let’s head into the future. How can we do that when people are using phrases like, “the black Ryan Leaf”? Seems to me you just want black people to get beyond racism. You have no intention of doing so.
See you guys later.
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Until you start paying my living expenses, and all my bills, and give me around 5 grand spending money a month no way in hell I will let you a semi professional blogger who is hated tell me how and what to say…..
When you come back whipping boy, I will still want answers to my questions. You need to stay off the strong drink… Psychopath…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Dakota
hells bells #2
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
And worse yet, in his 1 1/2 years behind center, it’s tough to even say JR has a better grasp of defenses, or that he is more comfortable going through the reads.
You add in that he has horrible touch on the ball, footwork is atrocious, seemingly no pocket awareness, and that basic fundamentals need work, it seems he is going to have a tough climb to ever get to a lofty status
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The most frustrating thing about this is it shouldn’t be a “job” to come to work. Playing QB in the NFL? This HAS to be his dream. How can you give off the perception (I say this b/c I haven’t seen him in person) that you are out of shape? It’s a kid’s game, man! How can it be considered work to be at the Raiders facility. They would literally have to kick me out of the building. My wife and kids would know where I am, and would probably be helluva involved too. $60 million? ???? It’s really offensive!
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Thec07
When was the last time the Raiders developed a QB they drafted?
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1970’s with The one and only,
Kenny The Snake Stabler…. My favorite QB of all time….
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So, in other words, the Raiders aren’t very good at developing QB’s then, right?
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Kool, MR Davis cant develop anything…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Sorry Kool I am wrong, Mr. Davis can develop the worlds worst sports franchise… an embarrasment, and a laughingstock to all of sports…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Thec07
When was the last time the Raiders developed a QB they drafted?
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1970’s with The one and only,
Kenny The Snake Stabler…. My favorite QB of all time….
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So, in other words, the Raiders aren’t very good at developing QB’s then, right?
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Kool, MR Davis cant develop anything…
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You might consider that during your virulent anti-Russell rants.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Richochet
I said that in the previous blog and a guy in here said, that I am comparing 34th to 35th QB in the league.
# Richochet Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
# jhill Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Ok, let’s make it easier.
List Russell’s attributes that say he SHOULD be the starting qb.
NO, not “if he does so and so” or “once he puts in more effort he can blah blah”..now…today…what are Russell’s pluses??
I honestly can’t think of a one…not a single one.
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I can’t think of one either. He’s not ready mentally or physically.
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Exactly.
And worse yet, in his 1 1/2 years behind center, it’s tough to even say JR has a better grasp of defenses, or that he is more comfortable going through the reads.
You add in that he has horrible touch on the ball, footwork is atrocious, seemingly no pocket awareness, and that basic fundamentals need work, it seems he is going to have a tough climb to ever get to a lofty status
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I’m trying to stay positive about this guy, but you guys are making it kinda hard. I was once 24, and was pretty wild. I didn’t have an ounce of responsibilty now that I look back on it. Stayed out until 5 am knowing I had to be to work the next day. Made it to work and slept at my desk when I could get away with it. I was LUCKY to not get fired or caught up. No excuses, but I could just imagine being 24 with millions and acting a fool. Then again, I think there would have been too man people around me to make sure I didn’t fugg off 60 million $, lol! I could see my Moms or sister moving in with me whether I wanted it or not!
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
BRL, could grasp the playbook, and Gannon said it best they cut the field in half for the moron. BRL is an idiot….
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Thec, Russell is an easy fur coated target. I understand that, but no need twist the facts. Gannon was not thrown out of the building for dissing Russell, was he?
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 3-7
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Can you look at the above figures and tell that Russell did not bring this franchise down?
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Kell, what are the facts? BRL is fat, overweight, not committed to the playbook, or hasnt learned it. you dont twist the facts by saying i said something i didnt say….I was making a point that gannon said they cut the field in half. WTF does that have to do with him being thown out of the building.
Fact MR. Davis is inept, needs to retire.
Fact, BRL is not a leader of men.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
You shouldn’t have to develop a QB at the pro level anymore, just fine tune them. They should have a very good understanding of mechanics, offences, defences, who to prepare, etc.
A team shouldn’t be responsible for doing that. They shouldn’t have to motivate them either. If a player needs to be motivated to play in the NFL, then it’s time to get the heck out.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Richochet
This is what I said.
# TrueRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Ok clear difference between Grad and JR.
1) Foot work: Just watch JR footwork compared to Grad this week. I can post two highlights when JR drops back, he clearly lacks the mechanics that Grad has.JR seems out of the pocket, scared and clearly can’t play under center. His tds came from Shotgun position.
2)Accuracy: Remember M Vick when he had R White and Jenkins they were dropping the balls left n right, everybody said Vick didnt have a number 1 wide receiver well, Matt Ryan comes in and makes White a pro bowler, why? When you throw the ball, you gotta know how much zip you let it have, JR doesn’t know that. Besides he misses open wrs, he doesn’t sees open targets downfield and by the time he makes his decision, coverage looks down on the Wrs. Grad reads plays better and clearly didnt miss any open receiver yesterday. Besides, short passes is his speciality which JR lacks.
3) Pocket Presence: JR doesnt command the huddle, Grad clearly inspires his offense. Grad is not afraid of taking that hit, JR gets rid of the ball or holds to the ball too long, there is no balance in his plays.
4) Leadership and accountability: Enough said in this topic.
5) Playbook: Listen to all analysts, they said JR can read half the field, he didnt know how to lineup his offense in the start of the game, he clearly needs to put on the work. Grad is a complete QB right now better and more equipped to lead this team. I didnt even state all the work ethic and other stuffs about JR, just facts.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Wow MaddenRaider you are not a fan. No one and I repeat no one cares that you say you are an insider. I have seen the blogs for months now and you are always negative. Why are the words of analysts, media, and players’ attitudes of Jruss not enough for you. Do you see anyone on here saying that Bruce starting in place of JR is a good thing? Even the great Al davis has given up on him for the remainder of the season. The guy may wake up and finally work hard, study, and care, but if he does not we at least have someone who can win games. What is wrong with you? Gannon was no great qb until the raiders. And he took us to three straight afc west crowns, numerous playoff wins, and superbowl. If you think jr is so good why dont you post on the jr website or the 9er website or whatever. Keep your negative comments to yourself and go have your bromance with jr somewhere else. The nation, real raider fans, have spoken!
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
TrueRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Richochet
I said that in the previous blog and a guy in here said, that I am comparing 34th to 35th QB in the league.
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That’s not true. I said you were making some good points about Russell, but you were going overboard using Grads as a comparison. The offense was NOT better yesterday. It just wasn’t. The defense was lights out in the Red Zone and that’s why we won.
You did not simply say Russell does not deserve to be the starter, you also tried to pump up Gradkowski like he had something to do with the win. All his fire and passion still produced 50% completion, 2 turnovers, under 200 yds passing, and only TEN points with less than a minute to go in the game.
Thank GOD for Marquis and that fumble he came up with on STs yesterday.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
You might consider that during your virulent anti-Russell rants.
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Kell, check the records, before you tell me what I should and should not consider. you assumption that I have not has no base or merit. Check my past comments.
Check my history ou will know not to assume something outlandish like that bro, you do know what assume means right?
Kell question for you Bruh, how has BRL endeared himself to this team?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
# jhill Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
And worse yet, in his 1 1/2 years behind center, it’s tough to even say JR has a better grasp of defenses, or that he is more comfortable going through the reads.
You add in that he has horrible touch on the ball, footwork is atrocious, seemingly no pocket awareness, and that basic fundamentals need work, it seems he is going to have a tough climb to ever get to a lofty status
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The most frustrating thing about this is it shouldn’t be a “job” to come to work. Playing QB in the NFL? This HAS to be his dream. How can you give off the perception (I say this b/c I haven’t seen him in person) that you are out of shape? It’s a kid’s game, man! How can it be considered work to be at the Raiders facility. They would literally have to kick me out of the building. My wife and kids would know where I am, and would probably be helluva involved too. $60 million? ???? It’s really offensive!
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I agree.
“PLAYING” qb..all that money to play? To do something that guys get together and do for fun in the mud..amazing when someone who’s handed the key to the bank actually comes across as viewing it as a job.
Life expectancy of an NFL qb isn’t all that long. You would think that, given the chance, you would put in every possible available second, knowing it could end on an given play.
Immature definitely comes to mind, and this is the wrong profession to come across as immature, especially with a 60 million contract on the table.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
slvrnblaktilidi Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:39 pm
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He’s just winding you up.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
True Raider, Thec, if you really get to MR challenge him about being a Raider fan AT ALL! Hahahaha, you should have seen him on Sunday just begging the Raiders to get beat then he wouldn’t accept that they won!!?!?!? What kinda fan is that? He’s a douch3 who just wants to rile everybody up. He can’t even enjoy the Raiders winning, that’s not a fan of this team!
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Raider Dell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Dakota
hells bells #2″
I know someone that wants the AC/DC box set for Christmas!
Dakota – I need a new hat for Christmas. That Buc hat was thrown into the fire last week in Section D of the Coliseum parking lot. I have to admit, it didn’t take much convincing on my part. I did good though, I kept it up for half of a season! Longer than I expected, especially having to sneakily put that fukker on at halftime. I caught some heat to say the least. I explained a few times that I lost a bet to a friend, but that didn’t stop the sh1t talking. When I had an opportunity to throw that fukker in the fire it felt like redemption. Then not 15 minutes later I had the chance to meet and chat with Jim Plunkett. Very confirming…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Thec07
When was the last time the Raiders developed a QB they drafted?
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1970’s with The one and only,
Kenny The Snake Stabler…. My favorite QB of all time….
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So, in other words, the Raiders aren’t very good at developing QB’s then, right?
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QB development, and the QB doing things the right way, or doing things that he is in control of are 2 diffrent things. BRL controlling his weight is whos resposibility as part of HIS development?
Did Mr. Davis put a gun to his head and force him to eat krispy kreames?
60 mil for a fat overweight slob….
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
TrueRaider,
All I am saying is I was as excited about this weeks game as anyone. Vegas and I were here chatting it up prior to the game starting. I was VERY positive all the way up until our 3rd drive ended with another punt.
5 plays punt, 2 plays fumble, 3 plays punt.
My last post was “This can’t be happening!”
I started Bush and Schillens thinking the offense would be sparked by mini Garcia.
And I have to tell you that I was PISSED the WHOLE GAME. Even when we scored the go ahead TD, I was like FUGG they only need a FG and have 30 seconds.
I’ve given up on the offense, man! I just hope they get better like you root for your kid in little league. I only have expectations for the defense at this point.
Sorry, I really don’t mean to be negative.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
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1970’s with The one and only,
Kenny The Snake Stabler…. My favorite QB of all time….
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November 23rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Madden Raider, Now i see what your problem is thanks to comment #60. You are a racist. Just because JR is black you want him to succeed. Yet you say you are colorblind. Really though you are just pathetic. You probably want obama to succeed and say he is doing well for the same reason.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RaiderTW, dont disagree with MR… He is a well known “semi professional blogger” thinks he is important in a raider blog no less….Amazing…
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Kell question for you Bruh, how has BRL endeared himself to this team?
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All I’m saying is that the Raiders have developed exactly 1 QB they’ve drafted in the 50 years of their existence.
I know the Raiders have 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years
I know the Raiders are working on 7 straight double-digit seasons in a row.
So laying all the problems of the Raiders at Russell’s feet is irrational, now matter how good it makes you feel.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
jhill Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
…Thank GOD for Marquis and that fumble he came up with on STs yesterday.
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Is there a union in Valhalla or something? Why does Marquis only show up once every four or five games to help out?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
lol @ semi-professional blogger …
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Stabler76 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:46 pm
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1970’s with The one and only,
Kenny The Snake Stabler…. My favorite QB of all time….
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I thought marc Wilson was going to be great one when he came out of BYU. Just turned out to be servicable.
A lot better than Marinovich though.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:51 pm
# TrueRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Richochet
This is what I said.
# TrueRaider Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Ok clear difference between Grad and JR.
1) Foot work: Just watch JR footwork compared to Grad this week. I can post two highlights when JR drops back, he clearly lacks the mechanics that Grad has.JR seems out of the pocket, scared and clearly can’t play under center. His tds came from Shotgun position.
RICHOCHET: agree…but honestly, I would venture to say that JR’s footwork might just be the worst of any opening day starter EVER in the NFL. (270-280 lbs will do that to ya)
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2)Accuracy: Remember M Vick when he had R White and Jenkins they were dropping the balls left n right, everybody said Vick didnt have a number 1 wide receiver well, Matt Ryan comes in and makes White a pro bowler, why? When you throw the ball, you gotta know how much zip you let it have, JR doesn’t know that. Besides he misses open wrs, he doesn’t sees open targets downfield and by the time he makes his decision, coverage looks down on the Wrs. Grad reads plays better and clearly didnt miss any open receiver yesterday. Besides, short passes is his speciality which JR lacks.
RICHOCHET: What many people “ooooo and ahhhh” about, Russell’s massive arm strength is a negative in many coaches eyes, when you don’t add touch.
There is a video out of Bill Walsh teaching a qb how to throw the ball (Phil Simms and Montana were involved) where you see Walsh telling the qb ‘No..that’s too hard..throw it softer”..and kept saying that. Simms came away saying ‘I thought I knew what I was doing. I didn’t) Goal was to throw soft balls when ever possible, not rockets. I don’t think JR knows how to throw a soft, easily catchable ball.
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3) Pocket Presence: JR doesnt command the huddle, Grad clearly inspires his offense. Grad is not afraid of taking that hit, JR gets rid of the ball or holds to the ball too long, there is no balance in his plays.
RICHOCHET: JR’s lack of pocket awareness is huge.
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4) Leadership and accountability: Enough said in this topic.
5) Playbook: Listen to all analysts, they said JR can read half the field, he didnt know how to lineup his offense in the start of the game, he clearly needs to put on the work. Grad is a complete QB right now better and more equipped to lead this team. I didnt even state all the work ethic and other stuffs about JR, just facts.
RICHOCHET: No doubt Grab is currently better suited than Russell, the point most make is he’s limited, albeit better than the present JR.
It’s like Garcia.
Almost EXACTLY like Garcia.
Team sees a immobile qb get killed, sacked, pressured, and constantly going down, or not avoiding the rush..and in steps a scrambler like Garcia or Grab. They’re better than who they replaced, but rarely good enough to get the team to the next level.
It’s the “all we have, for now” syndrome, knowing the team needs to upgrade.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
NorthernD Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 pm
You shouldn’t have to develop a QB at the pro level anymore, just fine tune them. They should have a very good understanding of mechanics, offences, defences, who to prepare, etc.
A team shouldn’t be responsible for doing that. They shouldn’t have to motivate them either. If a player needs to be motivated to play in the NFL, then it’s time to get the heck out.
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Excellent points… NFL QB’s have higher expectations than most other postions, “heard of the old saying thats why they get paid the big bucks”.
todays NFL QB’s are expected to step in and take the lumps on the way to development. Only thing BRL has developed is a bigger cup size for his man boobs..
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
And yet, MR couldn’t be happy that the Raiders won yesterday. Nope, he was too busy trying to get somebody, anybody to accept his argument that Russell could have done just as well. Him being right was more important than the Raiders getting a W.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
since we dont develop a QB’s who are we going to pick up in FA?
Vick?
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Jhill
I respect that, sorry for misunderstanding what you said, point well taken but I still feel BG gives this team a new energy and best chance to win then the dumb JA DA Bust
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:56 pm
God, the only thing good about the past seven seasons is that when this is finally over and we finally turn the corner and enter the mediocre stage, I will be able to temper my anger at the team when we lose by saying…”well, at least we aren’t as bad as we were for those seven years!”
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Developing QB’s has never been the way Davis has run his ship.
He prefers to bring in veteran QB’s and let them lead the team. The time when he likes to draft QB’s is when he already has a pro-bowl QB as the starter.
Look at the history. He drafted Stabler when Lamonica was tearing it up. Marc Wilson when Plunkett was on fire. Tui with Gannon. Davis has a pattern.
He likes to draft the explosive athlete in the draft, and give the QB job to an older vet from another team.
Hostetler, George, Gannon, Plunkett…the list goes on.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
# RaiderTW Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm
True Raider, Thec, if you really get to MR challenge him about being a Raider fan AT ALL! Hahahaha, you should have seen him on Sunday just begging the Raiders to get beat then he wouldn’t accept that they won!!?!?!? What kinda fan is that? He’s a douch3 who just wants to rile everybody up. He can’t even enjoy the Raiders winning, that’s not a fan of this team!
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As entertaining was MR stating over and over, on Saturday, that he guaranteed the Raiders not only wouldn’t win, but that Grab would totally suck, and would cost the team the game, adding how he’ll definitely show up to rub it in everyone’s face.
Funny watching him take that serving of crow, slap ketchup on it, and state it tasted good, because JR didn’t “get the same plays called”
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Richochet Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Funny watching him take that serving of crow, slap ketchup on it, and state it tasted good, because JR didn’t “get the same plays called”
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ROFLMFAO……….
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
NorthernD Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Developing QB’s has never been the way Davis has run his ship.
He prefers to bring in veteran QB’s and let them lead the team. The time when he likes to draft QB’s is when he already has a pro-bowl QB as the starter.
Look at the history. He drafted Stabler when Lamonica was tearing it up. Marc Wilson when Plunkett was on fire. Tui with Gannon. Davis has a pattern.
He likes to draft the explosive athlete in the draft, and give the QB job to an older vet from another team.
Hostetler, George, Gannon, Plunkett…the list goes on.
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6 winning seasons in 20 years.
The Last 7:
09′ 2-7
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Laughingstock of the NFL is the bottom line.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I am conducting a training class in the middle of an assessment, cant stop laughing MR, is rather entertaining…..
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:01 pm
LMAO
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
When you really think about it, we all have been conditioned. look at that list Kell put up, that SH!t is sad, not funny at all….
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Dakota,
South Dakota State will fall this weekend!
MONTANA GRIZZLIES! (clap, clap, clap – clap – clap) MONTANA GRIZZLIES!
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
since we dont develop a QB’s who are we going to pick up in FA?
Vick?
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Arff!
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
NorthernD Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Developing QB’s has never been the way Davis has run his ship.
He prefers to bring in veteran QB’s and let them lead the team. The time when he likes to draft QB’s is when he already has a pro-bowl QB as the starter.
Look at the history. He drafted Stabler when Lamonica was tearing it up. Marc Wilson when Plunkett was on fire. Tui with Gannon. Davis has a pattern.
He likes to draft the explosive athlete in the draft, and give the QB job to an older vet from another team.
Hostetler, George, Gannon, Plunkett…the list goes on.
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6 winning seasons in 20 years.
The Last 7:
09′ 2-7
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Laughingstock of the NFL is the bottom line.
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I didn’t say it was the correct way to do things, but it is the Al Davis way.
So that’s the way it gets done.
Stubborn old man….
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Ryan Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Dakota,
South Dakota State will fall this weekend!
MONTANA GRIZZLIES! (clap, clap, clap – clap – clap) MONTANA GRIZZLIES!
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Good! I am a Yote! Down with the Rabbits!
MONTANA GRIZZLIES! (clap, clap, clap – clap – clap) MONTANA GRIZZLIES!
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
since we dont develop a QB’s who are we going to pick up in FA?
Vick?
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I say we stick with mini Garcia for now. We tried to get us a big armed QB with Collins, Walter, and now Russell. Didn’t work out. I say stick with Mini Garcia, and try your damndest to get Russell’s head out of his arse!
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I dont think Vick is any good, he cant pass accurately and he is not the athlete he was, did you see that 34 yard in the wild cat, sure doesnt seem to have the speed that he had. I want a QB that knows how to operate from center, many QBs can play from the shot gun position but hardly few of them can play from the center.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Young QBs were never expected to start back in the Snakes day.
You look at some of the other young QBs around the league and they have all had to go through what Russell had to.
Leinhart
Young
Eli
Smith
Sanchez
and yes Gannon too.
One only has to look at Bradshaw’s first 5 years to understand this.
All the above had decent receivers to help as well.
Not every QB comes into a Big Ben situation and even he had LESS than half the feild to worry about let alone saving a franchise.
JR will be OK as long as he stays with it and works hard, realisticly he should have never been forced into the situation but thats the new NFL and he is part of that generation.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Vick got bent over so much in prison that scouts thought he would be playing center this year.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Vick is done in this league. His starting days are over.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Dakota:
Travis Lulay is playing QB for the BC Lions did you see him play in College I think he played for Montana.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Sorry when any ex-Raider gets injured. Fabian Washington is out for the year with an ACL tear. Once a Raider, always a Raider.
So leave JR, I promise to say the same about you,
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
I dont mind Vick as a backup but not a starter.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I didn’t want Leinart coming out of college, but he might be worth taking a flyer on now. He’s had the chance to sit behind Warner, and it seems like he’s finally letting the Hollywood stuff go and taking his game seriously.
If we are going to keep the WCO, there is no need to keep Russell around.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Before we get a QB, we may want to get a real front office, that would mean running Mr. Davis, herrera, trask, taylor, and all the other Mr. Davis bootlicks out of town…
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Sorry Larz, I didn’t see him play…
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Larz Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Young QBs were never expected to start back in the Snakes day.
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The offences in college were far less sophisticated than they were at the pro level. There was a huge gap between the two levels. Now the gap has closed and some college teams run very complicated O’s, like USC for example.
College QB’s are much more prepared to play than they were before.
The NFL wasn’t a year round business like it is today. So JR doesn’t get that five year grace period anymore.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Larz:
If someone is playing in the CFL, then there’s still something missing from his game. Size? Speed? Experience? A few players have made the transition though.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Travis Lulay played for Montana State.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Sorry when any ex-Raider gets injured. Fabian Washington is out for the year with an ACL tear. Once a Raider, always a Raider.
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It’s amazing how these guys knees are going out these days. I was actually watching that play, and Fabes didn’t do anything but give a guy a shoulder to help him out of bounds. I was amazed that it was a bad knee injury on the replay, but you just see if give out for no apparent reason. Guys just didn’t get hurt like this back in the day. Everyone is going down.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
# Larz Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Young QBs were never expected to start back in the Snakes day.
You look at some of the other young QBs around the league and they have all had to go through what Russell had to.
Leinhart
Young
Eli
Smith
Sanchez
and yes Gannon too.
One only has to look at Bradshaw’s first 5 years to understand this.
JR will be OK as long as he stays with it and works hard, realisticly he should have never been forced into the situation but thats the new NFL and he is part of that generation.
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One component that separates that list from JR.
Desire.
Most if not all on that list busted ass. Put in the extra time to learn the game, work on their skills, study the playbook.
Because there is that learning curve that most seem to need times behind center to perfect, if you don’t come onto the field having already done everything possible to prepare yourself for that moment, you’re already in trouble.
Russell had a whole season to learn the playbook. Most new qb’s on a team? have mini-camp and training camp to learn the whole playbook, and most do.
Russell had a whole year, and still didn’t have it down.
That’s just plain lack of desire.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Oakland Raider 1st Round Draft Picks since 1989 (20 years)
90′ Anthony Smith
91′ Todd Marinovich
92′ Chester McGlocton *
93′ Patrick Bates
94′ Rob Frederickson
95′ Napoleon Kauffman
96′ Rickey Dudl97′
97′ Darrell Russell
98′ Charles Woodson *
99′ Matt Stinchcomb
00′ Sebastian Janokowski
01′ Patrick Gibson
02′ Phillip Buchanon
03′ Nnamdi Asomough *
04′ Robert Gallery
05′ Fabian Washington
06′ Michael Huff
07′ JaMarcus Russsell
08′ Darren McFadden
09′ Darrius Heyward Bey
3 First Round Raider Draft Picks have made a Pro-Bowl appearance in the last 20 years.
So, it’s not just QB’s that they’re not good at developing, right?
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Thec,
Hit and miss, man!
I like a lot of the players that front office has given us. From Nnamdi Gallery, Henderson, Schillens, Shaugnessy, Branch, Bryant, Huff, Howard, and Murphy. I like the potential of DMAC and Bush. I like the FA pickups of CJ, Satele (finally coming around), and Russell the Muscle.
It hasn’t been all bad.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
I think it’s pretty simple with Russell. I don’t know the guy, or haven’t been privy to practices so I’m just going to keep it at square peg in a round hole.
Russell was a shotgun QB in limited college starts, not a QB who played under center, right?
No way Russell should have been paired with a WCO staff in Kiffin, Knapp, Cable and Co. And to now saddle him with Cable and WCO guy Hackett is a bad idea. If we are going to stick with Cable and Hackett we need to stick with Grads and maybe try and trade for a guy like Lienart.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 pm
3 First Round Raider Draft Picks have made a Pro-Bowl appearance in the last 20 years.
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4 — Darrell Russell made a couple.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Fabian was 2005 draft pick. Surprise. A 4.25 40 in the combine caught AD’s eye. Who would have thought? lol
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Fabian was 2005 draft pick. Surprise. A 4.25 40 in the combine caught AD’s eye. Who would have thought? lol
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Yes, we saw him toasted with butter by Peyton Manning on a pass to Pierre Garcon
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Oakland Raider 1st Round Draft Picks since 1989 (20 years)
90′ Anthony Smith
91′ Todd Marinovich
92′ Chester McGlocton *
93′ Patrick Bates
94′ Rob Frederickson
95′ Napoleon Kauffman
96′ Rickey Dudley′
97′ Darrell Russell
98′ Charles Woodson *
99′ Matt Stinchcomb
00′ Sebastian Janokowski
01′ Patrick Gibson
02′ Phillip Buchanon
03′ Nnamdi Asomough *
04′ Robert Gallery
05′ Fabian Washington
06′ Michael Huff
07′ JaMarcus Russsell
08′ Darren McFadden
09′ Darrius Heyward Bey
3 First Round Raider Draft Picks have made a Pro-Bowl appearance in the last 20 years.
and uh…how many head coaches, position coach changes during that time frame (other than the Gruden years).
yeah, thats what I thought. Continuity helps. Charles Woodson by far was the best CB…my only hope is that he goes into the HOF as a Raider
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Thanks Ryan,
I knew Lulay had a pretty good career.
He looked pretty good until he got hurt.
CFL is a totally differnt game.
And there ARE 3 QBs that are better than half of the starters in the NFL.
They just will not give their starting jobs at their stage of life to hold a clipboard.
Most of them went through the NFL merry-go round.
Not saying one is better than the other just not for everybody especially a veteran QB.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Jhill 124 post.
Could not agree more.
The good teams don’t just draft talent they draft for scheme.
And they allow their offense to be compatable with the defense they run.
Our vertical game never fit with our MtM defense.
Bad combination.
Denver’s defense improved because they went ball control.
Ours looked better this week too, ….
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
You talk good story True Raider, respect for others, and you never know who your fkn with………. really. And dont spank your kids….they have guns now.
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Darrell Russell was a heartbreaker.
HOF gifts, what a waste.
He was as good as Reggie White coming out of college.
Maybe it’s the name?
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
7 DB’s on that list. Al’s always been a big believer in having shutdown corners and dominating, knock out safeties.
He had great success with George Atkinson and Jack Tatum, but that was back in the days when you could “clothesline” receivers coming over the middle. That’s why he reached for Mike Mitchell in the 2nd round. Must have reminded him of Jack Tatum.
But the rules have changed and you can barely touch WR’s now. Knocking guys out with helmet to helmet hits isn’t in the game plan anymore.
I wish someone would tell Al before they draft USC safety Taylor Mays next, instead of someone they accually use.
November 23rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
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November 23rd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
130.Larz Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Darrell Russell was a heartbreaker.
HOF gifts, what a waste.
He was as good as Reggie White coming out of college.
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They also let go of Chester McGlockton just before they drafted him. They let him go as a free agent to KC.
That would have been something to have those two playing beside each other. There would not have been enough bodies on offence to block them both.
They had Sapp and Ted Washington together too but they were both past their prime.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
It’s high time we give Mr. Davis his props for giving us a great Raider victory to enjoy yesterday.
Yesterdays game shows that the man and his genius is still very much intact.
With victories against Phila. and Cincy, no one can deny that the “Commitment to Excellence” is alive and well in Raiderland.
Let me be the first to say “Thank you Mr. Davis”. You have earned our love and respect once again.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I know I speak for many others on this forum that you have complete trust in bringing back the Raiders to glory. It began yesterday, in the fading sunshine of the Oakland Coliseum, before a packed stadium of Raider faithful, the whispers of Raider glory were heard loud and clear, and we listened; oh how we listened, as the statement rang loud and clear- The winds of Autumn have spoken the name, and that name is ALLAN DAVIS!
We stand united in support and admiration of the Hall of Famer who not only united two professional football leagues, but was the architect of the franchise of all franchises…The Oakland Raiders..”The Team of the Decades”. Let your song be sung oh glorious one, and your legacy live on and never be made to totter, for it was spoken by the ancients, and the song is to be sung by generations to come.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Can we cut Russell next year and not take a cap hit?
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
We cant draft worth a you know what…..I almost lost it when we passed on crabtree… did anyone see his game against Green Bay the guy can actually catch the ball! Unlike some other 1st round picks As a matter of fact I think all the recivers picked in the 1st round have outplayed Heyward no hands Bay
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
By the way whats goin on with 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott Mike Mitchell I have only seen him play on special teams and some goal line defense..We could have drafted someone who really could have helped us with the 2nd pick
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
the raiders didn’t develop stabler–he was just talented & knew what to do to win. i used to see him at the pop inn in alameda at 6:00 am for his early sessions.
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
lulay played for montana state & led the bobcats to 3 victories over the rival montana grizzlies during his college career.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Oakland played the entire game with passion and agression especially on D. Usually a big play or bad penaltiy deflates them and its ride the clock out time. Not this Sunday.
They’re fully capable of playing with fire and intesity and if they do they’ll win more games.
Go production from the 2nd stringers and newbies whcih is hella encouraging.
Routt (!!!) atoned for a potentially devastating rough the passer penalty inside our 10 yd line with a huge sack that ended up taking away ANY score by Cincy.
Jay Richardson was all over the field making plays.
SAM WILLIAMS played tough against the run and had several nice plays on the other side of the ball.
Lets hope he stays healthy enough to contribute and that Oaklands special teams don’t break down.
A win over dallas would make a happy Thanks giving indeed…
November 24th, 2009 at 12:11 am
mariogee Says:
November 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
By the way whats goin on with 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott Mike Mitchell I have only seen him play on special teams and some goal line defense..We could have drafted someone who really could have helped us with the 2nd pick
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Got a feeling he will. Coming from a smaller school it was a given he’d struggle to get up to speed in coverage but he’s quietly been a force and a very solid tackler.
We suddenly have some depth at Safety. Branch was phenomenal Sunday.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:20 am
gradkowski is a better QB than russell. grad made some clutch throws, russell makes clutch fumbles. gradkowski came through when it mattered, thats what winners do. russell has shown that he CAN’T get it done.russell has all the talent but he hasn’t been able to use it yet. right now gradkowski is the #1 QB. russell will probably have to wait until training camp next year, if he’s still on the team, to try and win his job back.
Oh and some posters like Jhill like to say the defense won the game. well gee i wonder if maybe the defense played better KNOWING that the offense could get the job done? thats how TEAM sports are, you count on other people!!! wow, and if you’re other teammates are screwing up it’ll affect your play.just the facts. no trust or belief in each other makes a sorry ass team.
November 24th, 2009 at 4:19 am
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November 24th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Realmaddenraider, you can’t actually believe that Russell’s only problem was poor playcalling.Wake up, JaMarcus is a bust. I refused to admit it too.But the idea that Russell got a raw deal from Cable? Come on.This guy was given more of a shot than most would have been in that position.Russell’s problem is Russell. He is lazy and refuses to accept responsibility for his own problems.Her’s more interested than hanging out with his dogs ‘up in the club’ than being an NFL QB.We heard that every week. And I gave him the benefit of the doubt myself for a long time. But reality is reality, my friend. That is why he is on the bench. Obviously there is going to be a few different plays for Gradkowski that maybe you wouldn’t call for Russell. Bruce doesn’t have as strong an arm. But claiming that Russell would be fine if only cable called better plays when he was starting is ridiculous. Don’t get me wrong, Cable has no business calling plays, but he basically tried every play you could think of and Russell still couldn’t make good decisions or hit WR’s that were open. So maybe Cable isn’t the best playcaller, and the WR’s are rookies that need work. But it says something when you change QB’s and suddenly the offense is able to move the ball, receivers are catching passes. No,it was way past time for Russell to get the hook. Now, hopefully, the next step is he gets the axe.
November 24th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
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