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Cable mum on returners, RB

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, November 25th, 2009 at 1:49 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News and notes following the Raiders pracitce Wednesday before they departed for Dallas:

– There’s a possibility of roster movement before Thursday. Coach Tom Cable would not commit to Jonathan Holland and Johnnie Lee Higgins as his specialists for kickoff returns and punt returns.

“Could be,” Cable said. “Not going to disclose that now.

Nor would he disclose his choice for starting running back, although with the “hot hand” philosophy, it doesn’t matter much. Asked if his starter would be Darren McFadden, Cable said he was going to give it some thought before game time.

Cable liked the way McFadden bulled for an extra few yards on one carry against Cincinnati, and Michael Bush’s fumble could have conceivably put him at the back of the line. Go ahead and assume Justin Fargas will get his 10 carries or more.

– Defensive ends Greg Ellis and Richard Seymour are expected to start. Chaz Schilens and Darrius Heyward-Bey will be the starting wide receivers. Listed as out are WR-KR Nick Miller and LB Jon Alston, both of whom did not practice. LB Isaiah Ekejiuba (ankle) is didn’t practice and is doubtful. Ellis (knee-shoulder) and Seymour (back) practiced in full and are probable. WR Javon Walker (hamstring) was limited and is questionable.

There was no update regarding the “residual” concussion symptoms suffered by Alston. Cable said the Raiders are going through proper protocol.

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  • jhill

    Thanks Vegas!

    Same to you and everyone else!

    Making up a speacial dose of Raider Sweet Tea! (outta kool aid, lol)

  • Larz

    ALL college lineman are 2 years away from making any impact in the pros.

    Look at the last two drafts.

    They are all projects at this point, the underclass draft has sucked it dry.

    They are just not good value picks when a 3 year vet can outplay them why bother.

    Go FA on the line and have a good blocking system.

    Save the money you are going to have to pay two starting QBs for the next 5 years.

  • 4evaRaider

    EVERY-BODY-SING!!!

  • raiderzmaverick

    Happy Thankgiving to you too Vegas! Hopefully the game makes the Egg Nog even sweeter!

  • jhill

    There is not honestly ONE guy coming out who I think can make an instant impact. Not too excited about any of the 3 or 4 QB coming out to give them top 10 $.

    I wish to GOD that we would trade the pick for a veteran WR and split that first round money with him and Seymour.

  • jhill

    You’ve got the Egg Nog going already, Mav? I thought that was Xmas and New Years?

  • 2romes

    Have a great Thanksgiving Day Raider Nation. Hopefully the Raiders can come home with a sweet victory.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Nah – egg nog starts hitting the stores already in November :)

    Jhill….we don’t have a 1st round pick so won’t have to waste 1st round money on anybody. I think we’ve got quite a good number of picks (we traded Bergess and I think someone else) so hopefully we can find quantity.

    Do you guys remember back when we were winning….(I know it’s a long time ago)…but we always had a MOUNTAIN of a DT. We haven’t had any space-eating HUGE DT for a while and I think we need to draft one. Either that or it’s Morrison to blame. He makes a lot of tackles, but often it’s far off the Line of Scrimmage.

  • Larz

    Got Kicked to my profile page.

    Jerry has given me my “BigBoy” password.

    Thank-you and Thanks to all the Raider Nation.

  • 4evaRaider

    Why sure Jhill…already on my 3rd Stella plus have wine with the lamb!!!2 or 3 glasses Plus the kola’s!!!

  • Charlie

    We really have no choice but to play all of the kids and let them develop.
    The JR move though unfortunate, was necessary.
    There is just not enough of a supporting cast for JR for proper development AND giving us a chance to win.
    Gradkowski’s experience is more suited to us winning some games now given the offense we have TODAY.
    He simply adapts better to unscripted situations as compared to JR at this time.

    Sanchez,Ryan,Flacco etc etc have all had awful performances but in most cases their supporting casts are strong enough that the QB inexperience is not magnified as much as with JR on a weekly basis.

    The point I am making about the coaching staff is that stability far outweighs making a change for any perceived improvement we might get.
    Our young guys will develop much more quickly with continuity with the coaches.
    Mr Davis sees this.

    Tyvon Branch should not be making as many tackles as he is. The stat of 64 tackles to date is scary and is confimation that our Dline is not making plays.
    Warren is awful. Kelly is inconsistent. The young ends are developing but are mistake prone.
    The only consistent guys we have on the Dline are Ellis(aging and injury prone) and Seymour.

    The offense works(or doesn’t) primarily because of Oline play. Brees and Peyton can create when line play breaks down but they are the exception. The fact of the matter is Green and Carlise can not win enough of the individual battles to win games. That is a forty percent liability that we must address with high draft picks, not free agent retreads like Pears or Barnes.

  • 4evaRaider

    I’m of a mind 2 move Seymour inside with Bryant…Ellis,Shaunessy,Richardson,Scott at DE’s then get the baddest DT, MLB

  • Midwest Fan

    Don’t see us taking a DT with our #1 (We don’t have our 2011 1st rounder) unless we somehow get rid of Warren. I think Branch’s # of takles is more of an indicater of not having a strong MLB. I think come draft time either Mcclain or Spikes might be rated highly. In any case we should trade back which won’t happen.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Charlie Says:
    November 26th, 2009 at 9:06 am

    We really have no choice but to play all of the kids and let them develop.
    The JR move though unfortunate, was necessary.
    There is just not enough of a supporting cast for JR for proper development AND giving us a chance to win.
    Gradkowski’s experience is more suited to us winning some games now given the offense we have TODAY.
    ———————————-
    Note that JR has more experience and game time then Gradkowski in his career so far….so it’s not Gradowski’s experience that is better in winning us games, but his preparation and level of play.

  • Thec07

    What up NATION??? Happy TDay to all….

  • 4evaRaider

    the Bengals had the #3 defense,I think when we played them.Dallas D isnt as good.The O-line played GREAT vs. Cincy 34 passes and Grads the Great wasnt sacked!!!He had time!!!Cable showed us last year he doesnt like rookie O-linemen,imo.I think we go defense in draft,with us picking up O=linemen through F/A

  • 4evaRaider

    Happy T Day Thec =)

  • jhill

    Mav,

    We do have 1st rd pick this year. We traded the following years pick to NE.

  • Midwest Fan

    Happy Turkey Day all!

  • Florida Pete

    Dall’s ass 16… Raiders 20…

    um, that means i think we’re gonna win…

  • raiderzmaverick

    # jhill Says:
    November 26th, 2009 at 9:19 am

    Mav,

    We do have 1st rd pick this year. We traded the following years pick to NE.
    ———————————————-
    REALLY???? Wow! I almost wish we didn’t have one!

  • raiderzmaverick

    Damned – you’re right!!! Okay, well I’ll start being interested in the prospects again. I actually thought we traded away this year’s pick so didn’t even really look into who could be coming at all.

  • ColoradoRaiderFan

    Morning Nation, Happy Turkey Day

    The game inside the game…who will have more drops, Roy Williams or DHB?

  • 4evaRaider

    R.Williams of course!!!

  • centurionWR87

    Isn’t Kirk Morrison an MLB? :S – I thought our LBs were Sam Williams LOLB; Kirk Morrison MLB and Thomas Howard ROLB – with Ricky Brown injured and Jon Alston as a reserve…?

  • Larz

    I agree with Charlie on most points.

    JR did himself no favours, with his perceived lack of preperation.

    But bottom line is that they never asked Gradkowski to make the throws JR was being called on.

    That simplified the schemes and it is better suited for the supporting cast.

    In a funny way JRs arm strength was a weakness with this offense.

    Opening series for Grads was two running plays.

    What No verticals!!?

  • jhill

    Charlie,

    I don’t disagree with your theory of building the lines. But the reality of it is we may have missed the boat from a drat standpoint. This years draft is not Oline friendly. It’s just not.

    It would be better to try and fill the holes on the Oline and Dline with quality veterans. Not Pears types, but solid veterans that are maybe 4 years or so into the league. You might even consider targeting a veteran under contract and trade the #1 pick for him.

  • raiderzmaverick

    From what I remember, Dan Williams is exactly the type of DT we need….I wonder if he’s still playing well and eating up space….

  • jhill

    I thought so too Centurion.

    Sam Williams has actaully been playing pretty well. I’ve been one of his biggest critics, but he’s actually looked decent on the edge. The LB get blamed because of the big screens and 3rd and and forevers that we always give up.

    Truth be told, our defense is a few tighted up screws from being pretty damn good with the guys we have.

  • jhill

    Larz,

    I just can’t tell you how happy I was for Cable that he learned NOT to call 4 vertcals from our own end zone after we recovered Cincy’s fumble.

  • Larz

    Drafting linemen in the first round is a crapshoot at best.

    Look at the last two drafts, the underclassmen draft has sucked the college ranks dry.

    You are essentially paying premium dollars for guys two years out of High School.

    If you have 4-5 years to wait around then great.

    I say have a great scheme and sign solid FAs and grab some well suited late rounders.

    LB RB and DBs they are usally a better bet.

  • Larz

    Jhill

    Do you think there was a slight message from Cable with the change of game plan.

    He was not as big a “risk taker” with Grads

  • raiderzmaverick

    Larz….I hope to hell we don’t use our 1st round pick to draft DBs or RBs this year!

  • Thec07

    4evaRaider,

    what up Bruh? You have anyone playing today in your FF?

  • centurionWR87

    I haven’t paid much attention to the LBs this year… maybe I’ll watch them tonight – we’re gonna need them against the run and screens…

  • Thec07

    Draft the meanest hardest hitting MLB first…
    No we do not need Taylor Mays…..

  • VanHeathen

    With our history of 1st round picks, i’d rather trade a 1 for a 2nd and 3rd and go from there. We seem to have better success inthe later rounds…maybe it’s the lack of the big money guaranteed contract.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Good Morning Nation & Happy Thankgiving!

    If all this talk is true about Carlos Dunlap, and he is available to us in the 2nd. Should we draft him, or pass on him for more of a need position ( DT, RT, LB, or CB)?!

  • Charlie

    Perhaps I have followed the Raiders longer than some of you guys but the following LINEMAN were drafted in the first round by the Raiders:

    G Upshaw, A Smith,Gallery,D Russell,McGlockton,Wisniewski,Mosebar, Lawrence, Thoms off the top of my head.
    They were all solid pros up to Hall of Fame caliber talent.

    I can think of only two first round linaman busts.John Clay and Bob Buchowski(back injury).

    Yes you can find an Art Shell in round three but your odds of success are obviously much higher in rounds one and two. We have great success after drafting lineman high in the draft and we will do it again in 2010.

    This is not a new trend. We simply have to get back to our roots. BUILD THE LINES AND THE WINNS WILL FOLLOW.

  • Larz

    I have to go.

    We had our Thanksgiving in October.
    Thats not stopping me from missing work today.

    Cough Cough!!

    But I want to give out a hearty Happy Thanksgiving to all my US Raider fans.

    Enjoy the day guys.

    And get ready for the rush on Sam Williams jearseys.

    We are going to need Sammie the rest of the way.

    Later all.

  • Thec07

    Thats because Mr. Davis is responsible for all first day picks…. WTF is a DHB anyway?

    Crabtree > DHB

  • http://atm Raider O

    LMAO @ 273.

    I think we should call this game ” The Drop Ball”!
    Have fun Roy & DHB!

  • Thec07

    Charlie, I remember all those guys, and yes we need to build both our lines for starters, and add depth. I will say bryant and shaugnessy have beem playing well.

  • Thec07

    Look For Mr. Davis to pick Taylor Mays…
    Illogical

  • 4evaRaider

    If by chance the #1 rated DT happens 2B available where-ever we pick,well then take him but if not trade-down and aquire,imo

  • aig

    i thought BSPN said that we’ve never lost in Dallas and that they have lost 3 straight to us overall since 1995. Is that true? if so wow!

  • Thec07

    You Guys take care and be safe……….

    HAPPY TDay NATION?????????

  • ColoradoRaiderFan

    Nice back shoulder throw by Stafford. When was the last time the Raiders threw back shoulder?…On purpose.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Whats the over/under on dropped balls? I say 13.

  • new englandraider

    whats with all the gerard warren hate? he is by far better than tommy kelly. doesnt make nearly as much money. warren blows up a few plays every game, while tommy kelly does not try, or hustle and looks gassed after a few snaps. if you guys are gonna hate on warren, lets be fair. he is a LOT more of a force than tommy kelly. no?