Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, November 26th, 2009 at 8:10 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes following the Raiders 24-7 loss to the Dallas Cowboys at Cowboys Stadium:
– “Stop, stop, boom.”
That’s how Raiders defensive tackle Tommy Kelly described an Oakland defense that spent the week working on preventing big plays, and then gave up a staggering 384 yards on 10 snaps against the Cowboys.
It all started when running back Tashard Choice, taking direct snap from center, found a hole up the middle and ran 66 yards in the first quarter.
The Cowboys had 195 yards on 25 carries with 144 of those coming on three plays _ the run by Choice, a 46-yard touchdown run by Felix Jones and a 32-yard run by Marion Barber.
In the passing game, Miles Austin caught 145 yards worth of passes on seven receptions, with a long of 49 yards. Tight end Jason Witten, playing at left than full speed with a foot sprain which nearly kept him out of the game, had five catches for 107 yards including a 44-yard reception and a 37-yard reception.
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and Cowboys coach Wade Phillips seemed to be of the opinion that the Raiders man-to-man defense made things too easy for the Cowboys.
“We’ve had a few games like this year, people scheming us and finding big plays on us,” free safety Michael Huff said. “I think once one comes, we start to think more and play outside our game, and then they hit us with another one and another one. I don’t really know what it is. We’ll watch film the next day and see what happened, but as its going on, we don’t realize it.”
Said Richard Seymour, who may as well have been reading from the same script from years past as Warren Sapp, said: “I think it all starts in practice, understanding where you’re supposed to be, doing what you’re supposed to do and taking care of your job. I can’t take care of someone else’s job and someone else can’t take care of mine. Everybody has to take responsibility for their play on the field and we have to get better as a group.”
– Read why the Thanksgiving Day loss was particularly galling to Raiders owner Al Davis in my column for Bay Area News Group-East Bay.
– On offense, the Raiders too a handful of shots downfield and came up with little, with most of the damage coming underneath and on shorter patterns. Not surprising, really, because the Raiders have not been a good deep throwing team all year and it’s not what is best suited for starter Bruce Gradkowski.
“There were plays there to be made downfield and I didn’t make them,” Gradkowski said.
– The Raiders unveiled a new defensive wrinkle by starting Trevor Scott at weakside linebacker in place of Thomas Howard, although Howard played plenty as Scott played in different areas of the defense.
On some plays, Scott was designated as an “elephant” pass rusher, a term the 49ers used for Charles Haley when John Marshall was defensive coordinator with the 49ers.
Only twice, however, did Scott line up with his hand down like a defensive lineman.
“A few days ago they said they wanted me to start at (Will) this game so I was like, `all right, let’s run with it,’ ” Scott said. “If it’s an opportunity to get on the field, so be it. Some guys don’t feel comfortable in a two-point stance, so if they stick with it, great.”
Scott had five tackles, two sacks, three tackles for losses, three quarterback hurries and made a special teams tackle.
He also collided with Tyvon Branch pursing a Tony Romo deflection on a play which could have resulted in a touchdown return for Branch.
– Running back Darren McFadden had 43 yards on 14 carries and had a 16-yard catch out of the slot. It was the most snaps McFadden has seen split wide this season.
– Cornerback Chris Johnson remains a true believer.
“Once we get back to sound football and doing everything like we’re supposed to, I still stick to my guns,” Johnson said. I don’t think there’s a team that can actually beat us if we play sound football.
– The Raiders opened the game strong on the ground, with Justin Fargas gaining 52 yards on six carries in the first quarter and only “ yards on six carries afterward. Michael Bush, after last week’s fumble, was de-emphasized, with just eight yards on three carries.
– Darrius Heyward-Bey got his first touchdown on a 4-yard catch from Gradkowski, with his next step catching a deep ball. He added a 17-yard reception later in the game. He got solid reviews from his quarterback and Cable. He has nine receptions for 124 yards in 10 games.
– Punter Shane Lechler kicked nine times for a 54.8 average and 46.3 net and is currently at 51.9 for the season, ahead of Sammy Baugh’s all-time mark of 51.4 set in 1940.
– More misery on kickoff returns _ Gary Russell replaced Jonathan Holland and had 15 yards on his only attempt, essentially stopping at a wall of defenders at the 17. Tony Stewart fielded a short kick for 11 yards.
– The Raiders overcame a 15-yard chop block penalty on Robert Gallery to persevere an score on their lone scoring drive, something they almost never do.
Gradkowski hit Murphy on a 23-yard pass to the 1, with Gallery’s penalty pushing it back to the 13. Gradkowski had a 21-yard scramble which helped the Raiders make up some of the yardage.
– Defensive end Greg Ellis didn’t finish the game because of swelling in his knee. He had just two tackles in his homecoming game.
“I don’t know what happened. I just know swelling, a lot of pressure, going down my leg, going down my knee down my shin and my calf. I don’t know if I did something during the game,’’ Ellis said. “It started off swelling some but that’s to be expected coming off the scope but when we started playing, it was just killing me.
“That’s pretty much it. I don’t have a lot of answers for it. Obviously I hate it, coming back to my ext-team and can’t play the whole game. That’s not good.’’
Anthony Spencer, the player who replaced Ellis and has been under some heat because he came into the game with no sacks, had two of the Cowboys’ three against Gradkowski. DeMarcus Ware had the other against Mario Henderson.
Ware generally got the better of Henderson all day, with four quarterback hurries.
Cornerback Tyvon Branch, who came up huge last week against Cincinnati, had just two tackles and a pass defensed. He also drew a stare from Johnson, who was expecting help inside, on a 6-yard pass from Romo to Roy Williams for a touchdown.
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November 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
fire Mr Davis
November 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Fire Cable, and let’s fix this cr@p!
November 26th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Sorry to say that Gradkowski does not instill any confidence in me what so ever. He looked like crap today, too many short hopped passes or completely missing wr’s all together, a few that were sooo wide open. Not to mention the potential picks that were dropped by the Cowboys defenders.
Time to give Frye a shot cuz Gradkowski is not the answer, even short term.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Well while that is not going to happen, you can almost pack Cable’s bags and get his bus ticket. He sld Grads to Mr Davis and if he doesn’t play well in the next two games Cable will almost certainly be fired. IMO
The only offensive coach that I would retain is Hackett. I’d get a WR coach worth his salt. I hope mr Davis hires te GM and then let’s the GM hire the HC.
If cable wants to stay I’d pay him through his contract to coach the Oline and running game.But he just is not a great HC playcaller. However I do like the way we used DMC today but it needs to get better.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Put in the Frye guy, why not? When he fails we put in Russell. We can do Cable’s “hot hand” bullcrap like he does at running back. It won’t work, but hell, what has this year?
Gradkowski had major happy feet, and held the ball too long.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Priest, to you really see that happening? IMO, there will be no GM of the Raiders until Davis retires, is forced out, or whatever.
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“The only offensive coach that I would retain is Hackett. I’d get a WR coach worth his salt. I hope mr Davis hires te GM and then let’s the GM hire the HC.”
November 26th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
What bothers me the most Raider O and Dogg, is how Cable lied to make Grads look good. Saying he wasplaying with the same players Russell played with all year. A flat out lie. He said fpor a mnth that we wood be better when we get healthy and then to say Grads played with the same players. Can you say Les Miles?
November 26th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Wow, hiring a GM what a novel concept, sounds like 21st century football. Now if we can get rid of Mr. Davis, trask, herrera, taylor, and the rest of the bootlicks we may be on to something. I would also like to see the building in alameda dynamited in favor of moving to the east bay…
November 26th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I honestly don’t know for sure, I’m just saying it’s what I hope happens. I’m not concerned with the rest of the stuff but he needs some help with deciding who coaches this team into the future. At whatever cost. $50 mill whatever it takes we need a guy to come in here with enough money on the table to get at least 4 years to turn things around. With no threat of being removed because I think the threat of that causes coaches to do things they wouldn’t do otherwise.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
In order for someone to come in and fix this mess the whole culture would need to be changed.
How is it the the coaches dont have any real power and that the players can go directly to Mr. Davis with issues or grievances?
How is it that MR. Davis puts players ahead of the coaching staff?
How can you create any discipline in this type of ustable environment?
Do these conditions allow players that are imature like BRL, to come into camp out of shape knowing that repercutions will be minimal at best?
Like I have been saying we need a total change organizationally, and culturally which are 2 diffrent things. The current culture is not condusive to winning.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
A GM alone wont be the fix this debacle
with “the franchise” still making all these bad decisions.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
First of Thec07, there are very few players that can go directly to MR Davis blame him for whatever you want but at least be somewhat knowledgable. You could say he’s pregnant to beacuse you don’t have the burden of proof.
Cable has as much power as any coach that’s been here including Gruden. Mr davis hasn’t changed in 40 years he’s just gotten older and does much less. Flores and Madden had the same power. To coach the Raiders to the best of their ability. Cable is just doing a very avrage job it’s his fault what you see on the field. If he had no power Jamarcus Russell would still be starting. Trust me.
November 26th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Gradkowski’s high school stats are better than Dan Marino’s. That, and the fact that he’s better than Russell, are much more important than winning and losing.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
priest, how do you know that Davis does “much less”? You just demanded that Thec prove Davis meddles, then you insist that Davis does much less. Where’s your proof? We’re all about fairness here on Thanksgiving.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Chris Johnson got burnt all day today.
Kirk Morrison should be on special teams only.
O-line got abused all day.
Scott boned up an INT that could have swung momentum.
Coaching staff was totally unprepared for Cowboys “Wildcat” formation.
Cable called a horrible game. Did they ever use play-action?
Gradkowski was sub-par today and didn’t make plays when he needed them to keep drives alive.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
BHP,
Cable is a liar, and a bad coach. I think he is trying to sell Davis this Crap he is trying to sell us: “we are about to get better, but we have to change the losing Culture”
Crap!! Liar!!! We are not any better today than we were last season, of the prev 6 seasons.
Cable is a liar and an idiot!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
So TJ, I would assume based on what you saying that you have some insight. Riddle me this who hired cable?
Who wanted DHB? Is Mr. Davis involved with draft picks
and player personel?
You talk alot about BRL so since you have insight, what does the team think about his benching?
Why is it that nmost everyone analyst and all question BRL’s leadership abilities, IMHO he does not appear to be a leader of men?
Do the raider players respect BRL as the face of the franchise?
Your right i dont have the insight as you say, but at the same time i dont have these expectations for BRL, or this franchise for that matter until the organizaion and the culture changes. Focused directional change could be good for business, this is what we are really talking about. Mr. Davis makes bad business decisions….
November 26th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Cable lied last week about BG’s performance!
We need a better WRs coach, not a rookie HC, and rookie WRs!!!!!!!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Gradkowski was given a much more efficient game plan than Russell and he still sucks. Bottom line is, no Raider quarterback is really going to get a fair shot as long as we don’t have a real coaching staff with a real system. Raider fans just love to blame players, and pretend that Al is not the problem. They know they can just keep blaming players over and over again, never mind the one constant through the years, Al Davis.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
And you guys calling for Frye are cracking me up. What is Frye going to do with this offense? With these receivers? With this offensive line? With this overall environment? Oh, let me guess, he must have better high school stats than Joe Montana.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
So based on some of the comments its cables fault?
We have been consistently horrible for 7 years.
What is the constant in those 7 years? Is it tom cable, and his ineptitude?
I would point to the constants of the “ORG” and the culture that it has created.
Why is it that EVERY PLAYER that leaves is glad to get out, and hardly EVER has anything good to say about the stay in oakland? Maybe this is a major coincidence, but the “ORG” is broken, and needs to move from the 1970’s to the 2k’s. We are the only NFL team run like a Fantasy football operation.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Well MR do you know many people who are 82 years old capable of what they use to do when they were 42?
I use to see Mr Davis on the field with a whistle at practice. He does even come to practice anymore. He just isn’t nearly as active as he once was.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
JR with his bad work ethic is much better than no talent BG. Who wants a QB that can’t throw 30 yards?! JR may not me a hard worker, but be has more talent than BG. Frye has more talent than BG, but Cable is an idiot!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I say we platoon all 3 of our no name, piece of crap QBs until we get a real head coach. It doesn’t really matter. We’re not going to get any real QB play until we have a real head coach. Some of you are thinking that maybe if we just get a qb similar to Gannon’s style, he’ll give us a spark. We tried that with all of our quarterbacks in ‘03. Hell, even Gannon himself couldn’t do squat as Gruden’s old team was falling apart. Tui, Rick Mirer…And then today, Bruce Gradkowski. Same thing. Gannon similarities, doesn’t mean squat. WE HAVE NO SYSTEM. One player can not cure a team with a system that’s rigged by an 80 year old owner.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
priest, you demanded that Thec prove that Davis meddles, then you’re just going to come out and insist he doesn’t, without proof of your own? Was Al not 80 when he was on t.v. running down the reasons to fire Kiffin? that was a lot of stuff he’d been documented for the previous year and a half. He can do that, but he can’t insist Cable play a certain player or use a certain scheme? pass the cranberry sauce.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Cable is a moron!
Benches JR for BG, but doesn’t Bench DHB.
He rewards DHB for all his dropps by keeping him on the field, and benches Murphy to start Chaz! He started Eugene over Huff & Mitchell! He starts Thinks Fargas is our best RB! That alone should tell you he is moron. Period!!! lol
November 26th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
As far as players going to MR Davis even the players that could only went to him when he asked for them. Tim Brown was not allowed to just walk up to Mr Davis and start requesting whatever he wanted. Neither is Nnamdi allowed to just skip upstairs into his office and demand something. People take these assertions way too far as if he just allows anything. Coaches don’t just go up to him and demand things he deals almost excluively with the HC and the coordinators sometimes but usually it’s just the HC.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Games remaining…
at Steelers
Then fly back home for
Redskins
Then back on the Road for games
at Broncos
at Browns
Then fly back across country for
Ravens
So not only are the Raiders going to have a brutal travel schedule over the coming weeks, they are playing 3 outdoor teams in Cold Weather Cities (Steelers, Broncos, and Browns)
Raiders will only win 1 more game this season. Either the home game against the Redskins or the road game against the Browns.
That will put them at 4-12 on the year and Cable will be gone.
Coaching candidates will be sparse because any coach coming here will be saddled with JaBustus Russell.
Future looks bleak.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I blame Cable for the everything on the field, but I blame Ap for everything else:
Hiring coaches, Drafting players, Etc…
November 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Sure, Raider75, Russell is the reason coaches won’t come here. Otherwise, they’d just love to work for Al.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
I allready admitted i dont ave the insight as tj, but at the same time I dont work, nor have I ever worked for the ORG. This ORG is an embarrasment to the whole world…. All those affilated should be fired for incompetance. Compare the raiders organizational structure to any organization in the NFL.
Fix the organization and culture, will give the raiders a better chance to win. Not fixing it is insanity, and we all know what the definition of that is…
November 26th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Mr Davis can d whatever he wants, but it doesn’t mean he does it. He can tell Cable to go to helll or play DMC, has he done it?
We can argue all night without proof but I don’t say things with such certianty unless I know he does it. Others will say anything wwithout any proof what so ever. No anybody like that MR?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
TJ, your funny… I like how you focus on one point but fail to even address the questions I ask. You have insight so please share your professional blog wisdom on the questions I asked…
November 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
LMAO @ MR post 31!!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Know anybody like that, WOW I’m exhausted.
adios!!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
priest, you’ve been saying things all night with no proof. Giving us a rundown of how and how not players can approach Al, etc. Where’s your proof? Why is the burden on all of us to have proof to back up any point we make about Al, but you’re allowed to just write your own biography on Al without a shred of proof of your own?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Ok TJ, let me ask you a simple question are you ok with the organization?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Sure, Raider75, Russell is the reason coaches won’t come here. Otherwise, they’d just love to work for Al.
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LOL! Not even discussing top candidates. Just talking about ANYONE in general.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
thec, do you honestly believe priest is with the organization? He’s telling us Al doesn’t meddle. Dead giveaway that he’s never been anywhere near the team headquarters. He’s just an avid fan whose probably spent a grip since the team was in L.A., and has chummed up to the ticket reps to a point where they know him personally. He doesn’t know jack about what goes on in Alameda. Anyone who even remotely makes the case that Al doesn’t meddle?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
what coach in their right mind will come to oakland?
I know second and third rate coaches like cable, who is a line coach at best…
Its not only Mr. Davis that needs to go its the WHOLE ORG that is terrible from the owner to the janitor.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
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November 26th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I don’t believe players are walking to Al and demanding things! Can you imagine Sam Williams walking to Al’s office demanding to start?! lol
If that’s the case, then why didn’t JR demand that Al starts him over BG this game or the prev one? Al said JR will be great in his PC, so why not ask him?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
We all know that MR. Davis is the franchise…..
Thats why it really doesnt matter who we get as a coach, or what players we select. the “ORG” is broken and needs to be fixed. Everone in the front office needs to be run out of town to a foereign country.
This team is a world wide embarrassment…
November 26th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
That’s why it cracks me up when people say Al’s a players’ owner. If he were a players’ owner, players could make suggestions to him the way you’d always see the Steelers telling Cowher what to do on the sideline in those NFL films highlights.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Al’s just super anti HC. He gives the players more clout than the coach by default. It’s not because he has more respect for the players, it’s because he’s content on making sure his coaches are smaller than him.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Question, Who said the players more important than the coaches?
Question who or what has been the constant for the last 7 years?
Question, Who hired tom cable?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Al Davis is a turkey.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
russell sucks and should take a pay cut. cable will have to fired no matter what happens. i would take gradkowski over jabustus anyday. grad just faced 2 of the top 10 best defenses in the nfl and played well. more tds than turnovers. jabustus would have had at least3-4 turnovers today, with that pass rush.
offseason shopping list for raiders:
pick an offensive tackle OR if thats not there then an MLB in the first round, morrison has to go.linbackers are screwing the defense.
bring in some more FA QBs, jabustus will stay with a pay cut. let them battle it out. a new head coach will be needed, have no idea who would come here. maybe AD will FINALLY wake up and accept that he needs help.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Raider O Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I don’t believe players are walking to Al and demanding things! Can you imagine Sam Williams walking to Al’s office demanding to start?! lol
If that’s the case, then why didn’t JR demand that Al starts him over BG this game or the prev one? Al said JR will be great in his PC, so why not ask him?
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Who said anything about demanding?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
i can’t think of any reputable coach that would come to oakland unless AD loosens his grip a bit. hire a GM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
loosens his grip on the life support?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Forget the QB. The o-line gave him no time to throw the ball. Those dudes were getting pushed around too easily. Al if you don’t see that this team needs help at o-line and at lb, not to mention, ultimately at qb, then you’re a damn fool! You did waste a pick on DHB (although, he’ll probably grow into a decent player some time) what ARE you doing?!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
So how many of you think the “ORG” and how this team is ran is acceptable?
You blame cable for the ills but who hired the moron in the first place? I can just imagine the meetings, yeah cable is a great coach he will lead the raiders back to prominance…lol
Cable is fools gold, just like the raiders…
November 26th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I know i could pick better 1st and 2nd round picks that what I’ve seen lately from oak. sure of it.offensive tackle OR an MLB next year in the first round. otherwise it’ll be another crap pick. wonder if AD will make that pick
November 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Thec, I blame Al Davis for the plague. You know me.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
I know i could pick better 1st and 2nd round picks that what I’ve seen lately from oak. sure of it.offensive tackle OR an MLB next year in the first round. otherwise it’ll be another crap pick. wonder if AD will make that pick
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I honestly beleive you could also. I think you would hire REAL FOOTBALL PLAYERS not just forty times.
WTF is hiring someone based on the forty time?
November 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
dhb would have been a good LATE first round pick. trade down and get an extra second round pick. oh well. unless i saw randy moss early in the first round i don’t think i would ever pick a WR with a top 10 pick.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
A lot of fans invested too much, season tickets, friends they see at games. They just accept Al for what he is. I sure as hell don’t.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
AD HAS to hire a GM with football knowledge after ANOTHER losing season, doesn’t he? whats the definition of insanity? isn’t it doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. not looking good
November 26th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Michael Huff said:
I don’t really know what it is. We’ll watch film the next day and see what happened, but as its going on, we don’t realize it.”
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Translation: We don’t know what the hell we’re doing on Sundays but we do understand that Monday is payday.
November 26th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
He might be a bust if…
“He has nine receptions for 124 yards in 10 games.”
Pathetic!
November 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Now this guy has it all figured out:
– Cornerback Chris Johnson remains a true believer.
“Once we get back to sound football and doing everything like we’re supposed to, I still stick to my guns,” Johnson said. I don’t think there’s a team that can actually beat us if we play sound football.
He understands that Sam Williams can’t play forever and Al Davis is going to need to replace the perennial ass kisser with someone. Always say good things and your scholarship gets re-newed.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
We gave up 500 yards of total offense to a team that isn’t that good offensively. The man coverage, four man rush crap defense that the Raiders use does not work in today’s NFL. That plus Al Davis’ disasterous drafting and hiring of coaches is a recipe for a bad football team. Nothing will change until Davis hires a GM and a good coach.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I’ll bet good money that Cable has three automobiles. A Ferrari, Monster Truck, and a Toyota Avalon.
He drives the Ferrari off road.
Drives the Monster Truck to grocery store, work and other errands around town.
And takes the Avalon out to the beach on a beautiful day.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
# Kirk Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
We gave up 500 yards of total offense to a team that isn’t that good offensively. The man coverage, four man rush crap defense that the Raiders use does not work in today’s NFL. That plus Al Davis’ disasterous drafting and hiring of coaches is a recipe for a bad football team. Nothing will change until Davis hires a GM and a good coach.
just need to mix it up on defense.. man to man cov is good soemtimes. more blitzing would be great and linebackers that umm played like linbackers. the four man rush is a great plan IF you have a dline that can pressure constantly. truth is that it works best in video games. most teams can’t pull it off.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
I’ll bet you Cable drives one of those old Toyota pickups where the tail gate just says “Yo”. What a dork.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I’ll bet good money that Cable has three automobiles. A Ferrari, Monster Truck, and a Toyota Avalon.
He drives the Ferrari off road.
Drives the Monster Truck to grocery store, work and other errands around town.
And takes the Avalon out to the beach on a beautiful day.
yeah tom cable seems to be towel boy material. maybe keep him as the oline coach, hes good at that.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Richard Seymour: “I think it all starts in practice…”
What have I always been saying in here? Guys like him and Warren Sapp, guys who played for champions, will always give you little clues as to how things really work in Oakland. This team is not practicing.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Champions don’t want the camp wuss. They dont’ want to be coddled. They want to work.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
priesttj Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Well while that is not going to happen, you can almost pack Cable’s bags and get his bus ticket. He sld Grads to Mr Davis and if he doesn’t play well in the next two games Cable will almost certainly be fired. IMO
The only offensive coach that I would retain is Hackett. I’d get a WR coach worth his salt. I hope mr Davis hires te GM and then let’s the GM hire the HC.
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Well Said…I agree totally.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
If a WR coach came in and turned these knuckleheads around, He would be able to demand Saban money.
November 26th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
bhp ♥ al davis
bhp ♥ jamarcus russell
bhp ♥ LOSING
November 26th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Al Davis lied to us fans at the Kiffin press conference when he said he knew he needed help and planned to obtain that help. Where is it? As a life long fan I will not renew my season ticket package and waste $2,400 of my hard earned money watching this circus week in and week out. It isn’t Russell, it isn’t DHB, it isn’t Dmac. It is AL DAVIS. How do you explain 21 out 24 1st and second round picks being busts? How do you explain taking DHB #7? How do explain 7 years of the worst football in the history of the NFL? Ups and downs are part of sports but nothing has changed and yet we the fans expect a different result. Right on AL DAVIS for turning our once proud franchise into the joke of the league. When was the last time a raider QB threw for 300 yards? When was the last time we had a reciever with 40 catches?
November 26th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Damn I am soo drank time 2 sleepp I just waant ti say fok AL Davis n his stupid followers MR u wete right from the begining no hope if there is no GM, my insticnt ius theat we neeid a new OL and then mauybe AL will get us a new G<<M peace oyrt yow go Raoders!!!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 12:59 am
Gradkowski was erratic today but I don’t want to hear anything from the few JaMarcus apologists left on this board. Gradkowski still looked better than JaMarcus. No picks. Under pressure most of the game. And threw for 200 yards, which JaMarcus did 2 times in 9 starts — the second of which included the 86-yard catch and run by Zach Miller against the Eagles.
The one thing I notice with Gradkowski is he takes the snap and completes his drop real quick. JaMarcus awkwardly lumbers back and by the time he’s there WRs are already coming out of their breaks on short routes and the d-line is often meeting him there. This is why JaMarcus is so much more effective out of the shotgun. If JaMarcus just improved this one aspect of his game dramatically, he could see tremendous improvement in his play.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:02 am
Gradkowski sucks, Chris.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:13 am
Wow that was pretty bad!
Gradkowski is NOT the answer. If he takes a 3 step drop and gets the ball out he’s ok, but if he has to look to a second or third guy, he is just too small to get the ball out when the pocket colapses. His arm is also WEAK!
He didn’t do anything horrible, but he failed to convert in the start of the game while we had our running game going. That was it, we were done.
Our D got shredded, especially because of Kirk (on both run and pass), Sam Williams got lit up 2 times for huge gains as well.
I saw at least 3 big plays where Branch was either held or blocked in the back. They went after Branch hard.
The other stuff was blown coverage where the zone broke down or guys were playing zone while others thought is was man! Pathetic!
McFadden is so stiff that it boggles the mind. But at least it was good to see him split out and catch some balls.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:13 am
The Raiders are in the Football business and they’re not very good at it.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:14 am
In the first half I was actually HOPING to see JaMarcus come in. That’s how weak Garbagekowski’s arm is!
November 27th, 2009 at 1:21 am
Blaming players is useless, players come and go.
Double-digit losing seasons however, go on and on and on and on and on and on……………till Davis is forced out.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Koolio Kell…you might get your wish soon. Al was in the press box last night and looked like death warmed over and had this look on his face like he just took a huge dump in his Depends. He won’t be around much longer.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:32 am
Well let’s hear from the Russell haters.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:36 am
“Once we get back to sound football and doing everything like we’re supposed to….”
Get back to it? How about START doing it? Haven’t done it in so long I can’t remember the last time this team played consistent, sound football.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Let’s hear about Gradkowski’s energy and football IQ………
November 27th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Kool Kell- It’s not about hating Russell.
It’s about being disappointed over a guy who has all the tools and doesn’t get it together. We demand that he does what it takes to be great and live up to his potential.
Grads is garbage right? We all know this, yet he completed 6 passes to WR’s plus 2 more to McFadden who was lined up at WR at the time.
He had no picks and over 200 yds passing and has more TD’s than JaMarcus in just over 2 games.
His passing % and rating are higher.
Grads sucks but is performing better than JaMarcus. Why the hell do you think there are so many haters? BECAUSE he’s letting a no talent BUM outplay him. Correpsondingly it’s his own fault.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:39 am
The guy had 9 games to get his mojo. I’ll give him the fact that some guys were hurt and that was tough. But he never got it together and just kept making the same mistakes over and over.
On the other hand, Stafford and Sanchez are stinking it up as well, (although they both have made a lot more big plays than JaMarcus). Flacco and Ryan are not that far ahead of JaMarcus either. He’s got to get it done man!
November 27th, 2009 at 1:41 am
When’s the last time the Raiders developed a QB they drafted?
November 27th, 2009 at 1:41 am
The whole thing boils down to this.
What will HELP JaMarcus most? Continue playing and making mistakes and playing his way through it, or sitting and getting his head together and coming back when he’s got a grasp of what he has to do?
Let’s hope the coaches know what they are doing.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Ken Stabler.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:43 am
But then again, Al is not the QB coach. He is not responsible for “developing the QB”, the coaches are. Al is not dictating how we develop the QB is he???
November 27th, 2009 at 1:44 am
When’s the last time any Raider QB played well? Gannon. How about before that?
November 27th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Plunkett.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Hoss was ok as well.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:47 am
I understand what you’re saying. Raiders with good QB= Super Bowl. Lamonica, Stabler, Plunkett and Gannon.
That’s why we drafted JaMarcus. He’s supposed to be the Man. It’s up to him.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Is Al the GM or not?
Did he hire 5 coaches in the last 5 years or not?
Al’s not responsible for QB development? Is he the boss or not?
November 27th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Yeah he’s the boss. That’s why he hired Hackett. What do you expect him to do?
Not defending Al, but get the facts straight.
A new GM is what we need
November 27th, 2009 at 1:50 am
Al is responsible for everything in the end, but it is not very logical to give him the blame for daily coaching duties. One would expect that NFL coaches like Hackett could get the job done.
Who should Al hire?
November 27th, 2009 at 1:51 am
I would like to see Al go, but still think that the people in the “trenches” should be held responsible for their duties and should perform.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Yes I agree, Russell needs to be slapped upside the head.
Russell, McFadden, DHB, all busts?
I don’t think so. They’re just in Oakland Retard School
November 27th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Maybe there’s a problem with players and coaches who constantly use the excuse…”I can’t perform because the organization is disfunctional and Al is mean etc etc.”
People getting paid millions should COME THROUGH!
November 27th, 2009 at 1:56 am
I don’t thing JaMarcus is a bust yet. He’s got a chance!
McFadden is a limited player, a tough player who was just picked too high.
Bey is a guy who could develop. None of them are busts yet in my opinion, with McFadden being the guy who has the least upside.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:56 am
The Raiders were shytty long before Russell got here.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:59 am
Yeah they were. But now we are in rebuilding mode and are trying to get things to fit together. We need focus and need everybody to jell and work together.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:00 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Maybe there’s a problem with players and coaches who constantly use the excuse…”I can’t perform because the organization is disfunctional and Al is mean etc etc.”
People getting paid millions should COME THROUGH!
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Look it’s Al Davis’ business and it’s fuked up, ok?
November 27th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Kell> That’s a cop out. “The Raiders sucked before Russell got here”. That’s exactly the same type of excusses that prevent us from winning on the field today. Can you see the irony in your statement? Excuses.
What if JaMarcus tried to TRANSCEND the garbage and put 100% into it and changed the team? He’s the Leader! He is Moses…he can’t make excuses.
Who were the last good QB’s the Raiders developed? You know who they are, right? They were all leaders who took responsibilty.
Stabler and Gannon were not gifted. They were average, but they were LEADERS and refused to lose and they made their team better by getting it done. case closed.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:05 am
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee here comes Bill Callahan
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee here comes Norv Turner
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee here comes Art Shell
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee, here comes Lane Kiffin
Failed Coach Fired, Wheeee, here comes Tom Cable
Failed Coach Fired, Hope springs eternal with a new Coach……. etc etc etc.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Kool Kell…yeah it’s Al’s fault. Let’s have a more nuanced and indepth dialog, as it’s more empowering to analyse the thing in detail rather than just making the same blanket statements over and over again
November 27th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Kell > I think that both you and MR suffer from the same illness. Al has broken your hearts and the pain of losing has caused so much anguish that you have shut down completely.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:10 am
It’s like the guy who’s wife cheats on him and he goes wacky and kills the wife, kids and himself.
I would prefer to take the positive approach and throw the wench out and find a new 20 yr. old hottie
November 27th, 2009 at 2:11 am
Stabler fronted a team full of Hall of Famers
Gannon took 12 years to become a Quality QB.
Al Davis has produced 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years as GM, case closed.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Copenhagen Fan
You’re so into Al Davis as an Idol, you can’t perceive the record.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:13 am
If we changed out attitude maybe some of our guys we have now would step up and make it to the HOF.
Your attitude and hopelesness merely perpetuates the dysfunction. If the players have the same tude as you, this explains why they suck
November 27th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:13 am
If we changed out attitude maybe some of our guys we have now would step up and make it to the HOF.
Your attitude and hopelesness merely perpetuates the dysfunction. If the players have the same tude as you, this explains why they suck
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You Al Davis Idolaters always want to make me the problem. I don’t run the Raiders, ok?
November 27th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Al Davis is GM of the Raiders, Not KoolKell, ok?
09′ 3-8
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
November 27th, 2009 at 2:22 am
Hey, I’m not on Al’s side. I’m on the Raiders side.
I want a winner, and you don’t win if you let adversity create excuses for not performing.
You’re not the problem, no, but give me something new, and provide some insight other than the drugery of 7 years losing and that we won’t be good until Al is gone.
Let’s hope the players and coaches can take responsibility for their own performance.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:25 am
When there’s a new reason for the Raiders losing, I’ll give it. Until then, it’s Al Davis.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:27 am
KoolKell Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Copenhagen Fan
You’re so into Al Davis as an Idol, you can’t perceive the record.
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I couldn’t care less about Al, and think he’s blowing it. But nevertheless I hold players and coaches accountable for their part.
Right now I want JaMarcus to step up and lift us out of this garbage. I expect return on investment and pride on his part, and I expect him to take the role as the leader of this team. If he has to sit on the bench for a year before he can do it, fine. Just do it.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:28 am
That Organization is not functioning. That’s Al Davis’ fault.
The Raiders are in the football business, and aren’t good at it.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:30 am
We need JaMarcus to get all fired up and yell, “Did the Americans give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor, who’s with me?” and inspire the team.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 am
It must be a miserable existance to sit and complain all the time and feel powerless and give Al Davis all your power by acknowledging that your favorite team and beloved Raiders are doomed until his demise.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:33 am
The Raiders are at the bottom of every measurable list in football, on and off the field.
http://www.bizjournals.com/specials/pages/239.html
Quit making excuses for Al Davis.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 am
It must be a miserable existance to sit and complain all the time and feel powerless and give Al Davis all your power by acknowledging that your favorite team and beloved Raiders are doomed until his demise.
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There again, you Davis Idolaters want to make me and others the issue.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:35 am
now everybody hate gradkowski ? aint his fault. he just a puny lil white bi=oy. s h i t. what else can we do ? jruss dont give a dang .
November 27th, 2009 at 2:36 am
No excuses for Al. He is what he is. Are you telling me that a decrepid 80 yr. old man determines the fate of 53 grown men and the coaches and that they are powerless to alter the situation?
Those are not my values. My values are that anything can be accomplished or changed by hard work, focus, intelligence, teamwork, confidence and self respect.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:37 am
Yeah, I’m miserable when the Raiders lose. You Davis Idolaters on the other hand…………football fans……….I don’t think so.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:36 am
No excuses for Al. He is what he is. Are you telling me that a decrepid 80 yr. old man determines the fate of 53 grown men and the coaches and that they are powerless to alter the situation?
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Quit being disingenuous, he’s the GM/Owner.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:40 am
I was always taught by my parents to fight The Man and to change evil by fighting, not by sitting and complaining and feeling helpless. Read some Beatnik literature
November 27th, 2009 at 2:41 am
im with al davis. lose or not . fukk it. al got us dis far, if it wasnt for al id never be a raider fan anyway, so i hate all u people who say al needs 2 die. lode or win,, wuteva!, i ride with the great one,
so when al dies, nun u muhfukkas bet not say how great a man he was. go be a seahawk fan kool kell. fukk u dude. al davis is a legend .
November 27th, 2009 at 2:42 am
If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation…want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters…. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:43 am
Kell any power structure, whether it is politics, work, social relations, business always contains obstacles and evil individuals. You don’t sit there and place blame, you try to find solutions and work around it.
Capitulating and sitting there repeating that one is powerless is demoralizing and is a self fufilling prophecy. Change requires optimism and hard work, Raider brother.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Am I the only one who thinks this game is one of the most positive of the season…our D was pretty good mostly and we had a few more good plays on offense than normal… We played better than vs the Eagles and Chargers (1st time)..
November 27th, 2009 at 2:46 am
Kell. But struggle is performed best WITHIN the current power structure, by initiating change within and self reliance and self will.
Change is never made by talk only. Action is what we need and the players and coaches are the only ones who can do that.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:46 am
its like joe pa at penn state, bobby b at florida state, when they gone. man they gone! ask nebraska fans if they miss osborne .
JUST FUKKIN WIN BABY!
i mean whos responsible for how cool the raider image is? the team /players need 2 stand up and fight.! have sum respect for the raider legacy .
November 27th, 2009 at 2:47 am
Just ask MR. He’s a human rights activist. He can lead us to change….oh yeah, he just complains as well. Oh at least he is trying to get people to make a financial boycot lol
November 27th, 2009 at 2:47 am
Copenhagen Raider
You mind your business, and I’ll mind mine, ok?
Whatever you think about me and your upbringings, I really don’t give a fuk.
Al Davis is GM of the Raiders, Not KoolKell, ok?
09′ 3-8
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
November 27th, 2009 at 2:49 am
“The price of hating other human beings is loving oneself less.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:50 am
Playoff Appearances by Team in the 20 years since Free Agency in 1989.
Pittsburgh 13
Philadelphia 12
Minnesota 11
San Francisco 11
Tennessee 11
Green Bay 11
Indianapolis 11
Dallas 11
New England 10
New York Giants 10
Denver 10
Miami 10
Kansas City 9
Buffalo 9
San Diego 7
Tampa Bay 7
Oakland 6
Seattle 6
New York Jets 6
St Louis 6
Chicago 6
Atlanta 6
Detroit 6
Washington 6
New Orleans 5
Cleveland 3
Arizona 2
Cincinnati 1
November 27th, 2009 at 2:50 am
” aint hear no bell, one more round” ROCKY
November 27th, 2009 at 2:50 am
Hey Kell…just providing my philosophy, not trying to convince you to change your’s. Just adding an alternative view and mindset for empowerment.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:51 am
Dorian..we need JaMarcus to watch some Rocky movies.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Just imagine JaMarcus running up those steps with his beanie on and jumping around.
Maybe we could get him to buy into Play 60?
November 27th, 2009 at 2:53 am
“ITS ALWAYS THE GUY ON TOP THAT GETS THE BLAME WHEN THE SCENE GOES BAD” jenna jamison
lol:)
November 27th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
1. Pittsburg 15
2. Miami 14
3. Green Bay 14
4. New England 13
5. Philadelphia 13
6. San Francisco 12
7. Minnesota 12
8. Kansas City 12
9. Indianapolis 12
10. Denver 12
11. Dallas 12
12. Tennessee 11
13. New York Giants 10
14. Buffalo 9
15. Seattle 8
16. Tampa Bay 8
17. San Diego 8
18. New York Jets 8
19. Chicago 8
20. Washington 8
21. Oakland 6
22. Atlanta 6
23. New Orleans 6
24. St Louis 5
25. Detroit 5
26. Cleveland 4
27. Cincinnati 2
Jacksonville’s been in the League since 1995, 7 winning seasons.
Carolina been in the League since 1995, 4 winning seasons.
Baltimore’s been in the League since 1996, 6 winning seasons.
Houston’s been in the League since 2002, 0 winning seasons.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:55 am
kool kell. all yur chart proves is dat arizona`s andnew orleans owners need to die. and cincinatti neeeds to go to the sec and play football.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Telling me and others to shut-up and quit complaining, is hardly an empowerment philosophy that I’d be interested in.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:56 am
The more I think about it the more I see JaMarcus as a symbol of freedom for all people under the “Man”.
He’s got the tools, the aptitude, and the guts to get it done. He’s cool under preasure and shown that he can pull it out in crunch time.
This is his chance to be the leader of men if he puts in the work. His alternative is to rest on his laurels and focus on materialism and eat his way out of the NFL.
Let’s see what he choses.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:08 am
I agree. I’m just saying the Raiders don’t have a track record of developing QB’s/out.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:12 am
KoolKell Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Telling me and others to shut-up and quit complaining, is hardly an empowerment philosophy that I’d be interested in.
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That’s YOUR interpretation of what I wrote. It only exemplifies your negative attitude and defeatist mentality. You could chose to interpret it in a positive light
November 27th, 2009 at 3:15 am
The bottom line….
We’re going NOWHERE until JaMarcus shows up as a true leader and playmaker.
We can’t waste further picks on QB projects, and need to use them at other positions, like MLB, OL and WR.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:01 am
Yep once again torched by big plays.A true MLB will chance that.Plus the best available DT too.Gradkowsoki was under tremendous pressure all day.He didnt do 2 bad…WAAAY better than anything Jmac could have done.After only 2 games with rookie WR some in here are already saying he isnt the answer.Well maybe,maybe not.Cable already said Grads will finish the season barring injury,thats as it should be.Jmac stunk the place up and in noo way is he ready 4 this year…maybe he will be next year but that will take a HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME AND PRACTICE and I dont think Jmac has that in him.I would still go with Grads next year too…the WR’s will be a year older and its just a matter of time 4 them.Dmac will be used more and more and will be a great weapon 4 us.We wasted alot of time with the Jmac experiment…Plus we need a RG and RT DT MLB.I AM NOT BAILING OUT ON GRADS JUST YET
November 27th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Grads reminds me of McClown, just with a weaker arm ha ha
November 27th, 2009 at 5:05 am
And Gradkowski’s mechanics look HORRIBLE! jesus
November 27th, 2009 at 5:40 am
well I’m tired of…after we give a guy a chance 2 start and he doesnt do as good as people “think” he should do,they say he sucks or whatever.It took Peyton what is this his 11th year with the same staff for 10 years.WAKE-UP “you people”lol.We gave Jadontcarenuff all year and he REGRESSED.Grads has come in and thrown for 189 yards against Cincy and then PROgressed and had 200 yards against Dallas.He threw a INT vs.Cincy but NOT against Dallas.Altho 2B fair he lost a fumble vs.Dallas but NOT Cincy.To NOT throw a INT yesterday against a Dallas Defense that threw EVERYTHING AT HIM speaks volumes about Gradkowski’s feel 4 the game itself.He HAS that pocket-awareness…knows where everyone is supposed 2B…Dmac had 66 total yards yesterday and is PROgressing…same as DHB and Murphy…These players have openly come out and said they want Gradkowski leading them after only 2 starts,never heard anyone say that about Jmac.I was one of Jmac big fans but he gotta earn it and he dont want it bad enough,imo.Gradkowski does.After 2 games of PROGRESSING the players want him and so do I
November 27th, 2009 at 5:47 am
After the loss to the Giants, this blog posted a entry that compared the Raiders to the Giants. At that time, I did not agree with it but after watching both the Raiders and the Giants simplistic 4 man rush with man coverage schemes get outmanuevered by good offensive strategies and given the fact that the Giants have lost 4 of their last 5 games with the only win coming in overtime, I have to say that Jerry and some of the other posters were right, the Raiders ARE just like the Giants! It’s uncanny.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Dallas D=LINE of Ware…Ratliff…Olshanski and whoever their 4th guy is ALL played very well against us.That line shoulda got a game ball,imo.But they played it right…knew Grads has 1 game under his belt and pinned their ears back and got after IT.Grads played a phenominal game,imo…Dallas played the only way they could to get the win…if they didnt pressure Grads all day long Grads would have beat them,imo.Hes young and going to progress each week and we got the horses’ so all we needed is a general and Grads should be able to take control,imo
November 27th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Copenhagen_Fan Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Kool Kell- It’s not about hating Russell.
It’s about being disappointed over a guy who has all the tools and doesn’t get it together. We demand that he does what it takes to be great and live up to his potential.
Grads is garbage right? We all know this, yet he completed 6 passes to WR’s plus 2 more to McFadden who was lined up at WR at the time.
He had no picks and over 200 yds passing and has more TD’s than JaMarcus in just over 2 games.
His passing % and rating are higher.
Grads sucks but is performing better than JaMarcus. Why the hell do you think there are so many haters? BECAUSE he’s letting a no talent BUM outplay him. Correpsondingly it’s his own fault.
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This is the truest statement that I have read all week. KK and MR just don’t get it.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
and our defense gave up 2 passing td’s after not giving up any vs Cincy and KC
November 27th, 2009 at 6:11 am
It looks like AD Football will have another top 5 pick on it’s hands come draft time, let’s hope we don’t draft for track speed and potential and go get some disciplined footballers!
Until the Raiders commit to stopping the run, they will continue to stink. Tommy Kelly and Kirk Morrison should be in prison for bank robbery, they have been stealing money from the Raiders all season!
AS long as Usain Bolt doesn’t declare for the draft, we may have a chance at getting Suh out of Nebraska.
Go Raiders
November 27th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Fargas starting + no blitzing = Raiders losing
November 27th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Well a very disappointing first half performance, especially from my wonder-boy Bruce. He was many different shades of awful in the first half, and I was almost suprised he got the go for the 2nd half.
Than he came in and led an 88 yard drive. He has two TD drives for 80 yards in two games. Jamarcus had 2, and one was the long Miller pass. Bruce played well enogh in the second half to keep his job. Even had them down the field to try to get a last minute “cover” against the spread but couldn’t punch it in.
I don’t think we can fully judge Bruce until he plays a team that isn’t a division leader or a top 10 D. I mean going into Pittsburgh next week as well? Sheesh, I would just like to see him get the start against a Washington or Cleveland and see if he puts up a big day (for Raider QB standards)
But that first half….agast! DHB was WIDE OPEN going across the middle, should have been 30+ yards. Chaz was open on a crucial 3rd down play and he missed him.
Still, would have like to let the game play out with Branch getting that pick. After the drop INT, they give up 11 yards on 3rd and 11, and three plays later they are in the end zone, some 75 yards down the field.
BTW, DHB is running great routes and getting open, if only we can work on that pesky thing catching the ball and having instincts. Everything else is gravy, even got praised for his blocking on a run play.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:56 am
yep Grads knew he missed a couple he shoulda had but he knows it and will work on it.I think he gets better each game.Then finish up with Ravens…that will be a telling game
November 27th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Please do not critque skill position performance until we address our substandard line play.
Yesterday was a textbook video of what is wrong with this team.
Kelly and Warren were dominated. Ratliff of the Cowboys shows you what we need at D tackle.
Somebody who can MOVE AND TACKLE.
Not some oaf that has no lateral quickness.
You could have Ray Lewis behind our tackles and it would make no difference.
Opposing offensive lines get to the second level too often against our Dline.
Our offensive line simply loses more battles than it wins.
Simple as that.
I have watched the Raiders for forty five years and I know good Oline play.
We have a below average Oline.
Gradkowski did very well given the time he had to work with.
We have tried how many QB’S over the last seven years with the same results.
By now the problem should be obvious to even a casual fan.
Build the lines through the draft.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Yeah that was a disappointing loss for sure.Always hate to lose to the Cowboys and we lose again in a nationally televised game. I thought the short week really affected us as we were a step slow on defense all afternoon.Both lines were manhandled too.
Well we’ll have plenty of time to prepare for Pittsburgh so I expect a good game for the RAIDERS
November 27th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Like I said….
…Garbagekowski.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:38 am
morning all.
Other than the result I hope you all had a great day.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Any body still think the D line is ok ?
November 27th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Big time GARBAGEKOWSKI!!!!
Too bad JaMarcus is such a chump that he can’t outperform a bum like Garbagkowski!
November 27th, 2009 at 7:48 am
It’s weird…our D line stuffed them 85% of the time and then opened up for big chunks of yardage.
I have to be honest and say that our LB’s got totally blacked out a couple of times. Kirk got USED by Witten at least two times.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:48 am
RaidingTexas Says:
November 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Gallery. Huff. Russell. McFadden. Heywood-Bey.
It’s a sickening trend. A lot of money tied up in first-round picks who are fourth-round talent at best.
I wish Al Davis would just go away so the team can rebuild for real.
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Personally I think it is more of a function of the cheap, schytty coaching staffs rather than a total lack of talent. We need to get these talented kids a coaching staff that can recognize each player’s skill set and motivate/develop them.
Tom Cable and the clowns were pretty much scrapped off the bottom of the barrell….let’s get some professionals in here that can properly use these kids.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Happy day after T-day all…
Back to the family!
November 27th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I’ve heard you guys talk trash about Kirk for a while and have to admit you’re right. He stinks.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Yep MLB we need bad
November 27th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Kirk’s fine….he’s not playing in the right position that’s all.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:57 am
…..and I have to agree with Dakota #170.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:00 am
The good thing about Al drafting pure speed is that when the other teams break into the open field on huge gains we run them down most of the time
November 27th, 2009 at 8:09 am
There you go Copenhagen!! There’s a silver ( and black )lining to every cloud !!
Back later…..
November 27th, 2009 at 8:22 am
The main problem as i have said all along is having rookie receivers, none of which have even been dominant in college “learning the game” at this level.
The QB change should have cemented everyones therory that JR was the main problem when in fact he was not.
The number of routes the were not even protected by these kids was unreal and anyone with any football knowlege could tell you that.
Even if Gradkowski gets up at 4am he can’t make steak out of a S*it sandwich.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:27 am
My main breakdown comes over the middle.
Zak Miller has had success with both QBs with slot routes.
WRs will run a lot of slot patterns in a game.
Neithe QB has had any success throwing to WR in the slot.
Common thread ZM is an accomplished route runner and can catch the ball.
The WR slot patterns are a indicator of how the rest of the tree is being executed.
It is simple deduction and now it is evident to the players and the coaches.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I’m glad DHB caught the TD. However, I am still not sold on the kid. The day I see him running away from a DB that’s when I’ll believe he is a speedster WR, however on the 10+ plays they’ve thrown DHB deep he has never outrun a DB…I’ll tell you this, he aint never gonna be a Galloway type of deep threat…DMC on the other hand had run away from the DB but the ball Grad threw was short
November 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Our WRs are very poorly coached. Our O-Line is mediocre at best.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I agree 100% with Dakota. We have the cheapest coaching staff in the league. The drafting with a stop-watch strategy does not help, but the real reason the Raiders never develop talent is because we keep rotating cheap coaching staffs that work on keeping their jobs instead of getting better for the long run.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:49 am
It could be a mix of poor coaching and rookies starting.The right side of O-line plays good sometime and not others.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Bruce Tuiowski looked familiar out there. Better than Russell, but clearly not the longterm answer.
Morrison is a third string LB.
Russell returning kicks exposes our head coach as the total moron he must be.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Remember all of those DHB college highlights where he’s running backward and jumping up to grab balls one-handed? Apparently that’s what he tries to do on every pass. If he’d have kept running on that one long pass he’d have caught it in stride–instead he turns around and runs backward. Might have worked in college, but not here.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:56 am
If what Boomer Esiason said about JaMonkie being in the last year of “guaranteed money” I say we cut our losses & dump him. He obviously doesn’t wanna be here & is just collecting a check. McFadden & DHB MIGHT amount to something someday, but their salaries need to be reduced as soon as their contracts are done. Time to admit the JaMonkie experiment was a disaster & realize that fat boy will never be an NFL QB.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:09 am
When a QB with the type of accuracy that Gradkowski is supposed to have is missing receivers by that much it is clear the receiver position is not NFL calibre.
These are young players that would be 3rd, 4th or practice squad on most teams.
JR, Grads, FryeGuy…doesn’t matter they are not protecting their routes.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:12 am
JR was no hero but again he was not the main problem.
Gradkowski first half QB rating was 40%.
He was barely 70% against Cincy.
Are we seeing a trend?
Wait till the DCs have enough film on him and a week to prepare.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Morning NATION..
Our team still sux..
November 27th, 2009 at 9:17 am
cant be as bad as Jmac,imo
November 27th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Do you guys even watch the line of scrimmage?
Do you see what happens when the unstoppable Tom Brady’s protection breaks down? (Super Bowl 2008).
Spend a game just focusing on the line.
Do not ever watch the ball. The problems are obvious.
Ellis-not much left in the tank and injury prone.
Seymour- solid
Warren-bad and will be out of football next year.
Kelly- second string at best. Grossly overpaid. He will renegotiate or be gone next year.
Remainder of line inconsistent projects.
The Oline has two guys that will be out of football next year. Carlisle and Green
Gallery-solid
Satele-average
Henderson-developing
There will be a line purge next year when we draft linemen with our first four picks next April.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Charlie, thats what should have occured last year when the draft was super deep in line prospects. We could have had some serious depth. We could have even traded down, and stockpiled.
I argee with your assessment to add, morrison is a huge liability at mlb…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:39 am
we do we still talk of huff as a bust? the guys coverage skills are better, his awareness is a lot better and his tackling is light years ahead of where he was last year. (he did miss felix on that td tho). tommy kelly is junk. kirk morrison is worse.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Actually last 2 years should have been on line depth.
Tkelly= Blue collar criminal, shoud be locked up.
The ORG, and the culture are not conducive to winning. Unless we hear one day on the news Mr. Davis has retired, and the Raiders are going through a complete organzation restructure, the team will continue to be the worst run sports franchise in the world…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am
And will not ever play above .500 football…
November 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Charlie,
I see you mention addressing the lines through the draft, and praise Jay Ratliff specifically.
The guy was one of the last picks in his draft class, he was a 7th rounder, 220 something pick in the draft.
The lines need improvement, no doubt, but it can be done better than first-round picks.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Jim Fassell going for the UFL championship here in a couple of hours.
May he be our next HC? As much as I don’t like Cable’s play-calling at times, will another HC change, and subsequent retread or newbie coach, really do anything?
I almost rather keep Cable and all his flaws for the sheer sake of some sort of stability and continuity.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Vegas…
It begs the question….if Dallas can find a starting DT in the 7th round and a starting free agent WR….why can’t we ?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
You can get skill players in every draft…
The game has allways been won in the trenches, not a sprinters 40 time…..
all wasted picks….
DHB
DMAC
BRL
Mitchell
What coach would come to oakland… we only get retreads and second rate entities, why is that?
The ORG needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Our player personnel dept, if we have one is horrible with our first picks. Is Mr. Davis our player personeel dept. Who ever they our need to be fired, as they are bootilick by towing the company line on we select the best player with the best 40 time, what other ORG does that?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:51 am
thec, i dont think mitchell was a wasted pick. he is around the ball whenever he has a CHANCE to play. in the few times he’s had to cover, havent seen him give up one reception. havent seen him lost or out of postion like hi eugene. granted his playing time is minimal at best, he will be a beast. and he wanted to level austin on that td. gave him a little bit of a hit but pulled up knowing he’d get flagged for a late hit
November 27th, 2009 at 9:54 am
morrison and kelly are just awful.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Line play was average for most part.
When you give up 80% of your yardage on 10% of your plays it means they have the ability to compete.
Dominate “no” but compete yes.
O-line does need a revamp we all knew that coming in.
Did it cost us that game no.
Lack of a go to receiver cost us that game 3rd down conversions Romo hit Gradikowski did not.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
new englandraider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Not saying I dont like mitchell, I really do like him and have stated so a number of times. To me it is wasted because we had bigger needs.
We could have used that pick on a DT. Brace comes to mind. why did we give Brace to NE pats?
November 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
So if we knew the lines neede to be revamped why havent we address this glaring need over the last 3 years?
Skill players are a dime a dozen…. Yet the skill players we draft have serious issues.
I said it when we drafted DMAC, he has no s wivel.
DHB < britt, nicks, macklin, crabtree, and Dez B who is still technically a JR in college.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
All of the O-line draft picks are dominating the league this year?
Nope and we have Mario that cost a fraction of what signing them would have been. And he is more than servicable.
That may have been the best D-line in football he went up against yesterday.
Anyone that drafts a RT or Guard in the first round should be committed.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
205
One word “Cable”
November 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Why take a known project WR when you have a bazillion problems else where?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
i’d like to see more of the three safety looks. mitch, huff, and branch. one of those guys should be able to cover a little. saw kirk get caught with austin twice yesterday and howard had him too. no way should our lb’s be attempting to cover the other teams best weapon. morrison was constantly on marshall in the denver game. why do we do this? it makes no sense. every week we have one of our lb’s on the other best option. its mind boggling
November 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
I developed major indigestion and lost my appetite for desert after the chop block by Gallery. WTF was he thinking. What a brain fart.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Larz Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
All of the O-line draft picks are dominating the league this year?
Nope and we have Mario that cost a fraction of what signing them would have been. And he is more than servicable.
That may have been the best D-line in football he went up against yesterday.
Anyone that drafts a RT or Guard in the first round should be committed.
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Agreed, would never draft a RT or a G in the first or 2nd rd. But that just 2 of the areas of need.
Are we satisfied with our starting LB’s?
Are we Satisfied with our starting DT’s?
Are we satisfied with the depth at either postition?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Cable doesnt like rookie O-linemen…the way he trades for vets is a dead give-away…no rookies on O-line.Now on defense that is a different situation…D-Line guys you can plug in,imo…not O-line unless we had a O-line that played together 4 years and we dont.We will see how Cable gets new linemen next F/A.But I think we will draft MLB and DT’s…Maybe they think Slade Norriss is a MLB
November 27th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Larz Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
All of the O-line draft picks are dominating the league this year?
Nope and we have Mario that cost a fraction of what signing them would have been. And he is more than servicable.
That may have been the best D-line in football he went up against yesterday.
Anyone that drafts a RT or Guard in the first round should be committed.
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are any of our first round picks dominating this year?
Have we won anything drafting skill players?
NOPE…
November 27th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Cable is a horrible playcaller. if we keep him, then please force him to give up playcalling.
We run the ball well in the first qtr, no playaction
Grad gets heat, doesnt have throwing lanes (cuz he short), no roll outs.
dhb cant catch or estimate long passes, no quick screens or reverses.
Sam Williams cant cover. No 3 safteties to cover.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:14 am
DHB = Fools Gold
DMAC = Fools Gold
BRL = Black Ryan Leaf
November 27th, 2009 at 10:14 am
MR. Davis = The Fool with the Gold…
November 27th, 2009 at 10:15 am
WHO knows what QBs are availabe as free agents, actually all available free agents. I can tell you one thing the D line men are getter better evry game youngs guys come in and are hungry after the QB. On the other hand as soon as a back breaks through the line the Linebackers on our team are the easist to block against. These guys are absolutely brutal. I tape all the raider games as a hobby and went and watched a couple of games this morning with a bad hangover. You should see the Jets game and the SD games the line pushes hard but these line backers constantly cant see where the rb cuts to, no instinct at all.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:16 am
The only option I see for this team is to sign a veteran receiver.
Draft the best NT available to build on, and fill the roster with good young LB prospects.
Personally I am no great advocate of the 3-4 but it will give you more looks and better coverage options.
The direction has to change and LB are easier to aquire than 300 lb lottery tickets.
Thats if you want to improve fast.
Other option is wait for the receivers to develop and pray.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Canadian,
you are dead on about “instincts” of our LB. The big plays usually happen because our LB’s can’t find the RB. yesterday, Morrison overplayed Felix Jones on his run for the TD. He overran him cuz he couldnt find him.
Howard, entered the game, and immediately lost Marion Barbers coming out of the backfield for a big dump off.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Amonte Toomer was on Sirus this morning.
Someone tell me we have a better WR on our roster than him during preseason.
At least he could have given these guys some direction.
The CNN doctor played JV ball, and he is the only guidence for these guys.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:21 am
we should’ve dropped gerard warren back into coverage a few times. i love it when they do that. a 350lb dt dropping into coverage. utter brilliance
November 27th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I was just looking online theres a lot of pretty good QBs entering the draft. It would be nice to grab one in the third round if they are still there. That qb of Texas runs like a running back.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:21 am
The turkey & stuffing did not go down very well yesterday.Who will confess to the blown coverages time and time again.Will the coaches confess they get duped every week, the players?If the defensive players does not line up over each offense player for coverage do they really understand their assignments?It is apparent to me they don’t.Yes, the Raiders got their tails handed to to right up front with great offensive protection from Dallas,but why must the Raiders continue to get blown out of games simply because a offensive player was left uncovered to make hugh gains. If this major problem can be corrected the perplexity of the Raiders woes can be minimized.
The offense had a pretty good game plan. The execution was much to be desired. McFadden & Murphy got the hands on the ball but could not come down with the ball because the were contested by Dallas DB’S.
This play really troubled me and I could not get this out of my head. Dallas was running off the right tackle or guard and it looked like Dallas’s lineman ON HIS KNEES blocked morrison out of his gap position.If I saw this correctly, because I have not looked back at that play, if sums up the Raiders defensive afflictions.
When the Raiders defense get to the classroom inform them of all the eligible offensive players that can catch the ball. Ya know football 101….
November 27th, 2009 at 10:23 am
who is returning the kickoffs next game? luke lawton? didnt see te myers yesterday. was he benched for the strip and recovery the game b4?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Cable is returning kickoffs next game.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:25 am
After watching that Texas A&M QB Jerrod Johnson, I think he’s going to be a steal of the draft. Put up great numbers on an awful team and he went toe to toe with Texas mcCoy yesterday.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:27 am
cable. cool. probably better than holland or gruss. who comes up with this stuff. i’ve never seen a fb return a kickoff, unless its a squib kick to the 30 rd line. weird
November 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I watching Cincy vs Illinois, Cincy scores 35 points with 3 minutes left in 2nd quarter. That QB Pike throws a ball, hes 6foot6 where do they grow these guys.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Don’t expect a win for 2 more games…Look at the trend- 3 losses after a damn win this season! The thing that kills me the most is not just the losses, but I don’t see this getting better any time soon. I figure between our man to man scheme,Lack of qb’s,butterfiner wideouts, inconsistent coaching (among many other things) we are in deep trouble. Please someone help! I’m a raideraholic and can’t just switch teams, even though it would be so less painfull watching someone like the Saints everyweek. Please mr. Gruden or Madden or anyone Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Larz Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Amonte Toomer was on Sirus this morning.
Someone tell me we have a better WR on our roster than him during preseason.
At least he could have given these guys some direction.
The CNN doctor played JV ball, and he is the only guidence for these guys.
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ROFLMAO…..
November 27th, 2009 at 10:43 am
since weddle hit him in the sd game JLH has been useless…
November 27th, 2009 at 10:44 am
LOL at the we should have drafted Ron Brace.
Come on Thec, the guy has 3 tackles this year. 3!!!!!!!
Bryant has only 8 times as many tackles as him.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:52 am
vegas raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 10:44 am
LOL at the we should have drafted Ron Brace.
Come on Thec, the guy has 3 tackles this year. 3!!!!!!!
Bryant has only 8 times as many tackles as him.
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I love the kid bryant, he plays well. Brace has 3 tackles why is that? He is the backup to Vince Wilfork, and is being prepped for his succesor in NE.
Last time I checked NE was a decent football team.
Brace on this team would have been a better pick than mitchell, IMHO….
November 27th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Our Man 2 Man defensive scheme works when you call it 10% of the time, when its called 80% of the time you loose 80% of the games…simple math really.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Tommy Kelly would have been the perfect mentor for Brace. Just like Javon is doing a helluva job mentoring the “manos de piedra” twins DHB and Murphy.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Canadian Raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I was just looking online theres a lot of pretty good QBs entering the draft. It would be nice to grab one in the third round if they are still there.
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Son, don’t you ever learn? Do you have a learning disability?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Maybe Thec, maybe.
Last I checked New England was a good team with a great QB. D is average. If Brace was good, they would find ways to get him on the field.
Mitchell and Brace might both have meaningless NFL careers.
(Mitchell was on the field a lot yesterday, and than read the box score today, and ZERO TACKLES!!! So point taken)
November 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Yo thec you still here??
sup Vegas??
November 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
BJ Raji is contributing in Green Bay.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Not just about us running man to man. what about the pathetic anemic offense based on the 1960s loginal of try to go vertical?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Well, it’s basically the same postings over and over whenever I log on. Which proves there is not all that much of substance to say anymore. And I certainly include myself in there.
The record is what it is, 3 and 8… And next week is not going to be much better. Should we finish the year in 6 and 10 it must be considered huge…
This season is over with. A lot of headscratching will be go on again in the offseason… I repeat what I have been saying like a dead record and others as well: We must change how the org works from the top down. Al needs to cede power and let somebody else run the show (a GM, ideally empowered like Bill Parcells in Miami). I’ll admit I have no idea who a really suited candidate would be. But until then, all greatness will be sporadic at best. More likely, it will never return…
God be with us in 10 days against the Steelers.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:03 am
AD Flunky Shell in 06′
AD Flunky Cable in 08′
Same Davis schemes, same results.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
408, what up Bruh?
Last years draft we could have had Raji, Brace, and Brinkley…
Brace > tkelly, and warren, 2nd stringer on NE, starter for the raiders…
tkelly, and warren should be run to the cfl…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Kool thats a dum statement we NEED a Quarter Back you cant win in the NFL without one. Now just because we blew the JR draft doesnt mean we dont draft a QB in the third round whos going to score points on this team. If you cant score a minimun of 21- 24 points a game your are finished in the NFL, AFC has Brady, Peyton, Rivers, Big Ben, Shaub. How are you gonig to get by these teams without a qb who can score points, the answer when they retirs.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Wilfork, and brace for that matter dont have a lot of tackles, as NE runs a 3-4. Wilfork the starter only has 30 at NT, but he is a space eater, and commands the double.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Canadian Raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Kool thats a dum statement we NEED a Quarter Back you cant win in the NFL without one. Now just because we blew the JR draft doesnt mean we dont draft a QB in the third round whos …………..
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How many QB’s have the Raiders developed successfully?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Stabler..
November 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
We havent delveloped a QB since the 70’s…..
How many other NFL franchises can say that…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Stabler, and George Blanda taught him. Not the Raiders coaching staff.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
#236 lmao KK
November 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am
The Raiders are in the Football business, and they’re not good at teaching football.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:14 am
KoolKell Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Stabler, and George Blanda taught him. Not the Raiders coaching staff.
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Has Stabler said tht GB taught him and not the coaching staff?
Thats Speculation at best….
November 27th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Thec you shoud have joined our fantasy dirty is in first Im in 2nd.. Hows life??
November 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
I agree with you KOOLKell that development has been brutal but If you dont develop one you will never get buy those teams until those QBs retire. You have to score points expecially in the AFC with the big numbers those other guys put up, scoring an average of 14 points a game will get you 3 wins a year max max .
November 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
KoolKell Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am
The Raiders are in the Football business, and they’re not good at teaching football.
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And they are lousy at business..
November 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Thec doesnt that just “sound” fishy????????????
November 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Blown assignments and gaps, every week, every year, Coach in, Coach out, C’mon.
They’re not good at teaching football or coaching football.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Dirty and da 408 put a league together…and they in first and second place hmmm
November 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Thec07 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Last years draft we could have had Raji, Brace, and Brinkley
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Yes and if we add the three of them, they still don’t have as many tackles or TFL as Howard Bryant.
You got to stop reading Florida Pete as scripture. Brinkley isn’t any good, Brace is going to end up the year with around 10 tackles, and we have 2 D-lineman (Shannessey and Bryant) who are running circles around all 3 of those.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
What’s happening 408??!!?? Happy post-turkey day to you and yours.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Has Stabler said tht GB taught him and not the coaching staff?
Thats Speculation at best….
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True, but I was watching.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am
408,
Life is very good, it is what you make of it. I miss the playing the FF. Could have probable played but business has been quit hectic. watch my Brother dirty he doent have that name for nothing. He is a low down dirty ese…Keep an eye on him…. He probable cheated in the draft.
How have you been?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Kool Iam the first guy on this site who hated when Cable got hired. I can call better offensive plays then him. He has no imagination on how to confuse a Defense. I will watch a game with my buddies and we are predicting what plays Cable calls. Now if we can predict plays imagine the other teams. The worst move he made was calling the plays, I wouldnt let him call highschool plays.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:20 am
So we have a crappy O-line, no good WR’s, an awful coach and a “garbage” QB. Than how did we pass for 200 yards?
If Peyton or Brees was QB yesterday, they would have each completed a few more passes than Bruce, and what got close to 300 yards passing? How is that possibly if literally everyone sucks? Something has got to give.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:21 am
vegas raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Thec07 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Last years draft we could have had Raji, Brace, and Brinkley
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Yes and if we add the three of them, they still don’t have as many tackles or TFL as Howard Bryant.
You got to stop reading Florida Pete as scripture. Brinkley isn’t any good, Brace is going to end up the year with around 10 tackles, and we have 2 D-lineman (Shannessey and Bryant) who are running circles around all 3 of those.
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The gospel according to Pete….LOL…
Vegas Bro, i am not saying i dont like the young guys, never said that. but you know its not just about who has the most tackles….
November 27th, 2009 at 11:22 am
KoolKell Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Has Stabler said tht GB taught him and not the coaching staff?
Thats Speculation at best….
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True, but I was watching.
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So was I…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:24 am
If Peyton or Brees was QB yesterday, they would have each completed a few more passes than Bruce, and what got close to 300 yards passing?
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November 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I know it isn’t about the tackles THEC, my whole point has alwasy been it isn’t what positions we are taking that is the issue in the draft, it is WHO we are drafting.
DHB stinks, and we could have had Eugene Monroe, but obviously the best rookie is Percy Harvin and he would have improved both our ST and Offense dramatically. What would Monroe really do to help?
Wrong player, right position.
McFadden looks very pedestrian and we probably didn’t need a RB in 2008. But if we had Chris Johnson, we would be golden.
But I’ll met you in the middle, BJ Raji would help our team a lot more than DHB will. Raji struggled at first, but seems to be rounding into shape. He will be a good pro, DHB..I don’t know. Even when he catches the ball there is a seriously loud THUD to it, LOL.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
# vegas raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
What’s happening 408??!!?? Happy post-turkey day to you and yours.
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Back @ ya bro.. I havent been commenting in here cuz I got sick of all the crybabies.. This RAIDER NATION 4 LIFE.. If them sissyz cant hand they should find another team 2 root 4..
November 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Florida Pete was right on. YOu guys are just as guilty..falling for the B.S of 40x and the “next great playah”
Well, its all on display. Our D-Line is still terrible and the linebackers can’t make plays. Once again, the safeties lead the league in tackles at their position.
The Raiders will not win unitl Davis steps down. The talent on this team is overrated.
7 years of 10+ losses.
Yet you all blame the players…..LOL
November 27th, 2009 at 11:29 am
KoolKell Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:24 am
If Peyton or Brees was QB yesterday, they would have each completed a few more passes than Bruce, and what got close to 300 yards passing?
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There was at least 3 terrible passes by Gradkowski that were on him. Any top-level NFL QB makes those throws. Add those to Bruce’s 200 yards and you got close to 300 yards passing with a decent NFL QB.
If that is possible, the WR’s, O-line and play-calling can’t all suck. That’s not possible for everyone to suck and still toss the ball around for 300 yards, no matter what the score is.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Thec well @ least you got work.. Im glad all is well (cept 4 our beloved RAIDER) Im doin great Maybe next year you can join up.. Some 1 has to watch dirty
November 27th, 2009 at 11:31 am
lmao Thec!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 11:32 am
and so was the Shadow
November 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Vegas I Feel ya 100 Bro…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
vegas raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I know it isn’t about the tackles THEC, my whole point has alwasy been it isn’t what positions we are taking that is the issue in the draft, it is WHO we are drafting.
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Agreed…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Gradkowski is no NFL QB. That was on display today and will be on display the remainder of training cam….(err the regular season).
Next year the Raiders need to…but won’t:
1. Fire Tom Cable
2. Trade for an NFL veteran (Campbell, K. Clemmens, Vick, St. Pierre, Grossman, Rosenfelds, T. Jackson)
3. Draft — DT, MLB/RT, RT/MLB
4. Sign vet receiver
5. Hire a GM (actually without this step all steps above are null and void!)
November 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
4eva, what up Bruh? for all i know dirty could be the shadow…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
There was at least 3 terrible passes by Gradkowski that were on him. Any top-level NFL QB makes those throws. Add those to Bruce’s 200 yards and you got close to 300 yards passing with a decent NFL QB.
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C’mon man.
If if’s and buts were candy and nuts…………………
November 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Big Al’s still my guy!!! He is just my guy who sux @ running our team…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:41 am
SNB, spot on as usual, I would also like to see Mr. Davis trask, herrera, taylor fired.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:42 am
All you guys enjoy the rest of your weekend, and be safe….
November 27th, 2009 at 11:44 am
U2 Thec
November 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Thec
cant fire big al dude
November 27th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Looking at these rookie tackle totals are pretty interesting.
Peria Jerry- 1
Ziggy Hood- 3
Ron Brace- 3
Brandon Meyers- 4 (LOL)
Aaron Maybin- 6
Jasper Brinkley- 9
BJ Raji- 15
Matt Shaughnessy- 16
Desmond Bryant- 23
Clay Matthews- 29
Rey-Rey 42
Cushing- 88 (Wow, perfect combine warrior that Al could have taken, except DHB is fast)
November 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Vegas
You bashing on big AL again??? LOL
November 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Gary Russell may have been the fattest guy ever to return a kick yesterday.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Shaunessy and Bryant hell yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
November 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
i was hoping we drafted cushing. there was a pre draft show feauturin him and a couple others. craptree i think may have been one. not sure. poke too much smot and cant remember things. wanted him, harvin or maclin. we’d be a little better with harvin or cush. obviously.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
408RAIDER Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Big Al’s still my guy!!! He is just my guy who sux @ running our team…
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I just want to win. When do we starting winning? Hell, when do we start competing again?
Outside of a brief respite with Gruden/Allen…its been 18 years of seasons like this!
November 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am
vegas raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Looking at these rookie tackle totals are pretty interesting.
Peria Jerry- 1
Ziggy Hood- 3
Ron Brace- 3
Brandon Meyers- 4 (LOL)
Aaron Maybin- 6
Jasper Brinkley- 9
BJ Raji- 15
Matt Shaughnessy- 16
Desmond Bryant- 23
Clay Matthews- 29
Rey-Rey 42
Cushing- 88 (Wow, perfect combine warrior that Al could have taken, except DHB is fast)
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Darius Heyward-Bey—9 rec
November 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am
How about Dick Seymoure’s right-hook tackle for a loss yesterday?
That was pretty cool.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am
lolvegas. u aint kiddin man. wtf was up with that? dude looked like he ate 3 turkeys himself b4 kickoff. i told my dad b4 ko that someone else was gonna return kicks. man was i happy. thought 4 sure it be dmac or dhb. then i see 22 and im like nah, im buggin. nope. gruss returning kicks. what a fantastic idea. yep thats putting your best option out there. is it not?
November 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am
408RAIDER Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Thec
cant fire big al dude
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So we keep losing?
November 27th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Yeah, I noticed that pot-bellied dude standing back there waiting for a kick.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
new englandraider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
i was hoping we drafted cushing. there was a pre draft show feauturin him and a couple others. craptree i think may have been one. not sure. poke too much smot and cant remember things. wanted him, harvin or maclin. we’d be a little better with harvin or cush. obviously
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What was Cushing’s 40x?
How much he benchpress?
Al Davis does not draft football players at the top of the draft. He gets workout warriors
November 27th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
The team reflects Tom Cable…
QB: Bruce Gradkowski
RB: Justin Fargas
WR: Darius Heyward-Bey
RT: Cornell Green
RG: Cooper Carlisle
FS: Hiram Eugene
Cable had his guys out there today!
November 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
sometimes i think half of these guys wanna win. and i wont say the other half wanna lose, but at times you’ve got too ? the effort, the desire, and even their inability to learn from their mistakes. like morrison out of position or taking poor angles. or aso’s dive at the shins and miss every part of the guy tackle attempt. putting eugene on the field is not good. period. name 1 positive play he’s made on defense and i’ll name 7-10 from MM in less action. coach plays his favorites at some positions, and not necessarily the better talent.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
REPORT; TIGER WOOD’S SERIOUSLY HURT IN CAR CRASH IN FRONT OF FLORIDA HOME…
November 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams
yep yep and yep.. I understand your frustration.. Not every 1 is cut out to be part of RAIDER NATION!! Me Im ride or Die bout my football team.. You gotta take the good with the bad.. Or in our case the bad with the worse.. Either way its NATION 4 life!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Vegas
You need to watch some film of the “Ghost to the Post” game.
I was at that game in Baltimore.
Good offensive lines pass protect and run block with maybe two penalties a game.
Pass protection is allowing your QB to STEP INTO throws, not just avoiding sacks.
Run blocking is pounding it in from the 5 on TWO carries.
I am afraid many of you simply have not seen superior line play to know what it looks like.
The defensive side of line play is doing exactly what I just described.
They prevent the QB from stepping into throws. They disrupt timing.
They make tackles BEHIND the line of scrimmage.
Last year like this year our MLB and SS are being asked to make too many tackles.
IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO WORK THAT WAY.
A DT should TACKLE.
Yes, you can get lucky with a third rounder like Shell.
We need the higher percentage day one picks spent on the LINE.
RB and WR are a dime a dozen WHEN YOU HAVE A QUALITY LINE.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
SnB i dont think green has blocked badly at all. he’s solid in both run and pass blocking. his problem has been false starts. and lots of em. he had a few early b4 he got hurt, now 76 is killin us with the flags. if green had someone better than 66 to his left, he’d probably be a lot better. i dont think he’s the greatest rt ever, but aside from the penalties, he actually not THAT bad
November 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
really dirt lot?
November 27th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
yeah Dirt Lot you got a link or something?? Please
November 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
wow. yep. bspnews. damn, i dont like golf, but u gotta hope the man is ok. being injured in a crash sux. been there.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
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WINDEMERE — Golfer Tiger Woods was injured this morning when the Cadillac SUV he was driving struck a fire hydrant and then hit a tree, the Florida Highway Patrol said.
The crash took place about 2:25 a.m. as he pulled out of his driveway, investigators said. He was taken Health Central Hospital. Troopers described his injuries as serious.
No other vehicles were involved. The crash remains under investigation and charges are pending, troopers said.
It was not an alcohol related-crash, the report said.
This story is from our Bright House Networks partner, Central Florida News 13
November 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
1 car accident. serious condition hit a hydrant
November 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
what kinda charges could be pending if alcohol wasnt an issue. dont know fla law, but here in mass u cant be cited for anything traffic wise a cop doesnt see. i think. wow. something is up man. if charges are pending.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
2;25 am? turkey day. pending charges. i dunno
November 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
whatcould he have done criminally pulling out of his driveway?
November 27th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
the tryptophan kicked in
November 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
huh? 4eva.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
408RAIDER Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams
yep yep and yep.. I understand your frustration.. Not every 1 is cut out to be part of RAIDER NATION!! Me Im ride or Die bout my football team.. You gotta take the good with the bad.. Or in our case the bad with the worse.. Either way its NATION 4 life!!!
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In my note I mentioned 18yrs of seasons like this. I have been, am part of, and will continue to be a part of Raider Nation. As far as living and dying….the Nation has been dying for years with this.
But as you say….Nation 4 Life! I just wish membership was about winning too!
November 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
turkey has an amino acid called tryptophan…it makes you sleepy once injested =)
November 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
or protien or something
November 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
new englandraider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
SnB i dont think green has blocked badly at all. he’s solid in both run and pass blocking. his problem has been false starts. and lots of em. he had a few early b4 he got hurt, now 76 is killin us with the flags. if green had someone better than 66 to his left, he’d probably be a lot better. i dont think he’s the greatest rt ever, but aside from the penalties, he actually not THAT bad
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The bottom line is good teams don’t have a ton of false starts, holding penalties or personal fouls. Good teams have accurate QBs and Receivers that make catches. Good teams have defenses that don’t give up big play after big play..
The problem with these Raiders is that this mess happens year, after year after year and shows NO SIGN of improvement
November 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
S&B
We all want to win I wish I had a magic wand to make it all better but I dont…
*sigh
November 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
turkey has an amino acid called tryptophan…it makes you sleepy once injested =)
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And I always thought it was cuz I ate too much… LOL
November 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
not at all 408 EAT UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
as much as i think cable is a fool, we cant keep changing systems, coaches. etc… thats part of jr learning disability right there. that being said, fassel or weiss will be our coach next yr and will suck for 24-32 games and be fired. bill cowher has had losing seasons. bill belliCHOKE has. holmgren, shanny,the tuna. all of em. these dudes aren’t willing enough to keep learning knew things. they’re paid already.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
snb. i agree with what you say, but the last two games green has played he hasnt done ANYTHING wrong. i think he had 3 false starts in game 1 sd. after that, i dont remember anything more than maybe 1 after that. i know he was injured. but he has been solid the last two weeks. maybe grads mobility is helping a little. i just think he is ok if he doesnt false start. just like i think gerard warren takes all the criticism that should be leveled at tommy kelly. man i love this team. i wish they all had success. it’s like borderline embarassing to be a fan right now. but i came home from hospital at birth in raider gear and will be that way til the day i die
November 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 11:20 am
So we have a crappy O-line, no good WR’s, an awful coach and a “garbage” QB. Than how did we pass for 200 yards?
If Peyton or Brees was QB yesterday, they would have each completed a few more passes than Bruce, and what got close to 300 yards passing? How is that possibly if literally everyone sucks? Something has got to give.
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Vegas,
CMON man! We had TWENTY yards passing at the half. 45 yards through 3 qtrs.
Our Oline, as a whole, sucks!
Our WRs, as a whole, SUCK!
Our HC, OC, and playcaller are REALLY bad!
And Gradkowski is just as bad as Russell since all of the about is forced on him.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
If our ENTIRE offense wasn’t so young, maybe we could afford to bring along a guy like Cable. But with the youth we have on offense, we can’t afford to have the HC, OC, and playcaller all learning on the job!
November 27th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
I am the 1st proponent of coaching stability. But Cable jacked everything up by taking control of playcalling. Every part of this team has regressed under his short leadership.
He needs to go. He was a marginal candidate to begin with…now he shows his incompetence every week.
get him out of here.
Davis is a constant…can’t change him…but we can change the coaches
November 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
At a minimum, we need to hire and “Asst HC/Offensive COordinator” type.
November 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
*an
November 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Great.
Let’s change head coaches. (Has not made a difference yet).
Let’s get a great WR. (Moss)
Let’s get a SB QB. (Collins)
Let’s draft DMAC.
JR needs more WR’s.
Let’s get a good SS so we can stop the run.
Rob Ryan has bad schemes which is why we can not stop the run. Get a new DC.
JR needs better coaching. We get Tollner and Hackett.
HINT:
Football starts at the line of scrimmage.
With the exception of Seymour and Gallery we do not have good lineman. Good means winning the majority of your matchups w/o penalties.
Our lineman are either developing projects like Henderson/Shaugnessy or they are bad like Green,Warren and Kelly.
We must draft lineman in the first and second rounds.
Hers another hint.
Because we have waited so long to do it we probably will not see the playoffs for two years even if we start in 2010.
See Ya.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Why do you guys think that since the late ’80s (sans Gruden years), we almost ALWAYS follow a big win with a loss?
November 27th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Yo MR happy belated turkey day Brethren… Still bashin on Big Al I see.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Charlie,
Can u give me an example of an 09 team enjoying success based upon your theory? I know the Jets have a lot of 1st round Oline guys, but I can’t think of many other teams.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
JHill, don’t forget to tell Vegas that Dallas was playing prevent for most of our last drive, giving Gradkowski everything underneath, until that final 4th down where they blitzed everyone. How many yards was that drive? If Dallas puts the full court press on us in that drive, I think our passing yards are more like 150. 200 is unacceptable by NFL standards, Vegas. Gradkowski sucks. Get past that, all of you playing this gotcha game about Gradkowski being better than Russell. They both suck, period. Grad is just a little better at WCO fundamentals. He still sucks.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
jhill Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
At a minimum, we need to hire and “Asst HC/Offensive COordinator” type
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At a minimum? — Tom Cable is a terrible head coach. His roster selections are terrible as well.
My fear…Gradkowski becomes another “Cable guy”
November 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
If Gradkowski was really this team leader his supporters claimed he was before yesterday, we would not have lost in the fashion we did. We didn’t even show up. Yesterday was proof that this team has no “leader”, Gradkowski included. So let that go, too.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
331 maddenraider right on 100%
November 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
they saying tiger is out of hosp. in good condition. couple facial lacerations
November 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
408 Raider, what case do you have to defend Al? Let’s hear it. Make a case for Al Davis, since you’re calling me an Al “basher”, as if anything I’ve said about him is some kind of exaggeration. Oh, and happy turkey day to you, too.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Talk about stupid draft picks. With all the emphasis on drafting runningbacks…
Justin Fargas was the undisputed starter for that game!
ANd as usual…he comes through with another pedestrian effort
November 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
only thing is gradkowski throws a catchable ball. russell’s throws are too hard or fast. our pu$$y wrs cant handle that. was funny as hell when jruss threw at higgins just b4 benching and announcer said jlh jammed a finger i think. grads is no better than russell. if he had the 3-5 drops jruss has had each game, he be around 45% completions. they both suck, but the wr’s do not help. yesterday murph ran a post from left slot was wide a$$ open, and wasnt even looking for the ball until he got to a certain point where he was around 3 cows. then he starts looking in at qb. damn rookies
November 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Real MR,
There is no defending Davis’ decisions. He has been an absolute disaster as a GM and Owner.
However, there are those that say…Davis is the Raiders….and the losing is just a part of the whole thing.
I kind of agree with that sentiment.
I no longer expect the Raiders to win games anymore.
I just follow them because I am a fan and there are only 16 regular season games a year to get upset about
November 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
SnB, what do you mean we can’t change Davis? Davis can change. He can quit. Nobody is holding a gun to his head and forcing him to run the Raiders. He can still own the team and hire a GM to run it. Al is only a “constant” because he chooses to be one. There’s no divine force that’s putting him there. And as long as Al’s there, the players and coaches won’t change, either. Who do you think hires them? If Al doesn’t change, the coaches and players don’t change, either. Al changed when he hired Gruden. Let Gruden have more control than any coach in recent memory. So, until Al in fact changes, something you not only insist he won’t do, but seem to be ok with the fact that he wont do it, the players and coaches won’t change, either. Only the names will change. The results will be the same. From a coaching standpoint, give me the differences between Cable and say, Shell, or Turner, or Callahan, or Bugel. Oh, and do include results to back up your answers, please.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
timing is off in passing game. and dmac had that dude beat and the noodle arm qb couldnt reach. odds are jruss would’ve overthrown him by 4 yrds
November 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
new englandraider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
only thing is gradkowski throws a catchable ball
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B.S NE Raider. THe only reason “Grads” is playing is because Russell has struggled so immensely.
NOT BECAUSE “GRADS” THROWS A CATCHABLE BALL!!!!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
matt millen 4 gm. lmfao
November 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Al Davis looked pretty good in the owners box yesterday. He should be able to watch his team lose for another 10 or 15 years.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
SnB, Davis is NOT the Raiders. Davis never built a winning Raider team on his own. There are some who believe Davis is the Raiders, and they’re retarded. Be smarter than them and know that Davis can leave, and fans can put pressure on him to leave, through any legal and effective avenues.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
i hear ya SnB. i agree jruss has played poorly. however he hasnt actually had a lot to work with. granted he is fat and all that stuff. but how can anyone say grads is more accurate. he misses passes. like i say if you throw in the 3-5 drops per game avg, you’re looking at below 50% completions. part of it is scheme, part of it is 2 rookie wr’s and oline is inconsistent. good at times, bad at times
November 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
it’s all just depressing.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
NE, Gradkowski isn’t better than Russell, at tall. Imagine if Russell goes out there yesterday and has the exact same game Gradkowski did. Imagine what Gradkowski’s supporters would be saying about him. They would be putting the loss entirely on him. All of those bad passes, etc. And those were mostly WCO passes, dumbed down for our remedial talent. Crossing patterns. Gradkowski is supposed to be a better WCO QB than Russell and he can’t hit guys on CROSSING PATTERNS? Crossing patterns is the bread and butter to the WCO.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Jhill
Study the drafts of todays top teams over the last five years and you will see the percentage of day one picks they invested on the Oline and Dline.
It is far greater than the Raiders during the last nine years.
As a matter of fact since 2000, our perctenage of first and second round picks on lineman is lower than any other nine year time frame in the history of the Raiders.
We have gotten away from our roots and it has killed this team.
I did the analysis about a year ago.
Hell, the Steelers first pick this year was on the line.
It is simple math.
Nine of your starting twenty two are lineman if you play a standard 4-3 Defense. That is forty one percent of your team!!!!!!!!!!
Other than QB, the line is the heart of the team.
Win on the line and you win games.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
A lot of those Gradkowski guys are wisely absent today, I’ve noticed.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
im with you madden. i would rather struugle and have russell learn, than sit. we aren’t going anywhere this year thats for sure. jr is potentially the future qb. grads is not. so why change. if he doesnt do any better next week in pitts, i say u gotta go back to jr.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Real MR,
Davis owns the team. He also refuses to change. What are you going to do?
He chooses to run the team into the ditch. I say swap out the coach and hope that we get lucky with a Gruden II type of guy.
The team is screwed.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
these guys cant get any continuity. we’ve probably had 8 or nine different starting offensive line, line ups. that doesnt help at all.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
By the way, Ron Wolf was critical in helping Mr Davis build many great Raider teams.
Lombardi was the primary cancer.
He is gone and we will build the lines through the draft but we are behind the curve relative to the top NFL teams of today.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Charlie,
Building up from the lines is the only way to go.
Been preaching that.
Yet everyone gets giddy over a 40x warrior or some guy with a YouTube video.
Raji should have been the 1st round pick. Loadholt should have been the 2nd round pick.
But Davis runs this team like a fantasy football team.
Hell, even the Madden video game makes you address the lines
November 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I hope DAvis just hires Fassell. At he’s a professional head coach and won’t be running a club med type camp.
4 days of “walk-throughs” to go over the “fundamentals”
Yet this is the most undisciplined team in the NFL
GEt a real coach.
Get a GM
November 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Grads is still better then JR, THE REAL MONKEY RAIDER is back so its time for us to go now, while he continues to to lobby for his boy friend Jamarcus, I wish the both of you would get the phuck out of here you stupid idiot. The guy says they use a diffrent play book, well of course they do moron, Grads doesnt have the arm strenth so he keeps it short. Fatso has no balls to run up the field for a 1st down. The fat pig is 300 hundred pounds and still cant hold the football. Its like hitting the stay puff marshmellow man. I will be on JR side when he comes into camp under 240 and takes takes charge, shows up early and takes pride wearing that jersey. To bad he is set finacially and could give a chit. !st round rookies should be paid like the NHL I million max for first three years.
November 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Canadian Raider,
Who drafted Russell?
also, just because Russell is garbage doesn’t mean that Grads is somehow great.
They are both terrible!
November 27th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Real MR,
Davis owns the team. He also refuses to change. What are you going to do?
………..
I’m already actively boycotting. I haven’t spent a dime on this franchise since the Gruden trade. (and no, I never really bought a Russell jersey). If more people did what I did, he’d have no choice but to change. But as long as idiots keep forking their money over to him, he’ll have no incentive. Anyone who gives money to Al Davis is endorsing what he does. You can’t say you disagree with Al’s decisions, then cut him a check when it’s time for your tix to show up in the mail. The minute you give him you’re money, you’re endorsing him, even if you’re not smart enough to know it.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
The right decision in the offseason:
1. Cut RUssell – If he is as bad as advertised…why is he on the team
2. Cut “Grads” – He’s NOT an NFL caliber QB….and spare the “intensity” and “hard work” cliche’. He’s terrible.
3. Trade for a vet QB. I say trade for a qb because a trade suggests value on the other side.
4. DO NOT DRAFT A QB! The Raider organization has proven over the last 35yrs that it is incapable of developing a QB.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
NE, Gradkowski isn’t better than Russell, at tall. Imagine if Russell goes out there yesterday and has the exact same game Gradkowski did. Imagine what Gradkowski’s supporters would be saying about him. They would be putting the loss entirely on him. All of those bad passes, etc. And those were mostly WCO passes, dumbed down for our remedial talent. Crossing patterns. Gradkowski is supposed to be a better WCO QB than Russell and he can’t hit guys on CROSSING PATTERNS? Crossing patterns is the bread and butter to the WCO.
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How many starts has Russell had with this unit?
Most people where on Russell’s side last year because he was LEARNING. This year however, he was not supposed to have Gradkowski numbers.
This was Gradkowski’s 2nd start with the Raiders. He should get the rest of this year to see if he can WIN the job.
Russell had plenty of chances. HE DID NOT DO CRAP WITH THEM!!!
Big difference with Gradkowski having a bad 2nd start against a top ranked Defense on 3 days rest after BEATING a top ranked Defense…
and Russell struggling against teams like the Chiefs and Texans in his 2nd full year as a starter.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
RAider75,
Gradkowski is only here to fill in on some meaningless Raider games to close out the season.
He and Russell should be released at year end. As should Tom Cable and his entire coaching staff.
Al Davis should be sanctioned by the Commissioner!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Raiders75, Gradkowski sucks. You know he does. Let this little game go. You’re playing gotcha with Russell supporters and it’s leading you to defend an awful quarterback, which doesn’t make you look very smart.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
SnB I agree that neither one is that great but for some reason I feel more comfortable watching the game with him in there. Let him finish the season and we will go from there. If somebody paid me 5 million a season to be the starting QB of the raiders, I would be so honored that I would be in the best possible phisycall and mental strenth possible. I was talking to a college head coach yesterday at the Detroit game and he said it best. Before you draft a position as important as QB you have to know the guy your picking inside and out. What his mind set is, how smart is he. Drafting players just because of arm strenth or speed is so stupid Al just wont let it go. Ti Brown was no speedster but ran a pefect pattern all the time and had geat hands. I would draft a slower physical WR with great hands every time.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
yep
November 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I would like the Raiders to go after McNabb next year.
There is a real chance that he would be there for the taking.
Having an African-American WINNING QB to tutor Russell would be huge. This might be just what Russell needs.
Of course there no way this would happen because the Raiders are locked with Russell because of the ridiculous salary Russell is due next season.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
So, I guess Gradkowski fans felt “comfortable” yesterday with Gradkowski in there, even though he couldn’t “fire up” the team or even hit a receiver on a crossing pattern. As long as we’re all comfortable losing by 20…
November 27th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Canadian Raider,
IF it makes you more comfortable watching the games…then fine.
I see this for what it is. Another lost season. Another offseason of having to start over.
I would rather see Frye in there. At least he is capable of being an NFL QB. Grads just doesn’t have it.
I am afraid that Tom Cable falls in love with Grads like he does with other terrible, but positive attitude, type guys like Kwame Harris, Cornell Green, Hiram Eugene, Justin Fargas and Darius Heyward-Bey.
Our roster is getting worse and worse adn worse
November 27th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I don’t care if we’re 4-12. I’m just comfortable with Gradkowski playing. Comfortable. Commitment to comfort!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
I would like the Raiders to go after McNabb next year.
There is a real chance that he would be there for the taking.
Having an African-American WINNING QB to tutor Russell would be huge. This might be just what Russell needs.
Of course there no way this would happen because the Raiders are locked with Russell because of the ridiculous salary Russell is due next season.
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Why on Earth would McNabb sign with Oakland? Seriously.
Get realistic. You are looking at guys like JP Losman, Rex Grossman, Brian St. Pierre, Sage Rosenfelds and Mark Bulger
November 27th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I don’t care if we’re 4-12. I’m just comfortable with Gradkowski playing. Comfortable. Commitment to comfort!
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LOL
November 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Sage Rosenfelds! I think we could all get comfortable with him starting. Just be comfortable, baby!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Comfort and poise!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
SnB we need a modern day Football mind on our team for sure. I never liked Cable, for me if Al can step aside and admit he was wrong and be a man about it, other coaches would be so reluctant not to go there. No matter what business your in it starts at the top. No 80 year old man should run any business, they have done there work for the world retire and enjoy the scenery. I would love to pry away Urban Mayer thats my guy. But here we are again getting older and more frustrated year after year. something gotta give
November 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Raiders75, Gradkowski sucks. You know he does.
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I never said he didn’t suck. However, he has the right to suck in his 2nd start.
Russell lost the RIGHT to suck at the end of last season.
Cable knows Gradkowski is not the answer as well, but Gradkowski EARNED the right to play by WORKING his butt off. Russell is not entitled to the job.
Many employers promote less capable employees based on factors such as being on time, number of missed days, and attitude. Its not always about who has the most skills.
This is a life lesson for Russell. A guy with less talent is putting up the same numbers as him because he is WORKING HARDER.
That’s another reason I want Gradkowski to have the rest of this year to see if he can improve. He has EARNED that right by working hard.
Maybe other players can learn something from this as well.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
MR you have to be the stupidest person ever, gives some opinions on players to draft coaches to pick not just sit back and type the same chit all day, your a lonely person just jump already.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Why on Earth would McNabb sign with Oakland? Seriously.
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LOL! Same reason anyone would. MONEY!!!!! LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Real MR,
They have to go to the scrapheap to find a QB. The coaching staffs in Oakland is atrocious and the the Davis influence makes it impossible for a younger QB to develop and succeed here.
THey have to go to the scapheap and hope they can find a guy that is looking for a fresh start who has fallen out of favor.
granted, scrap heap QBs will never lead you to a deep playoff run….but aspirations such as those are not for the Raider fan to have.
Its about trying to get to a point where the team is able to compete into the 4th QTR in most of their games
November 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Found this SI article on Al Davis from ‘96
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/1/index.htm
I’ll post the highlights.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Why on Earth would McNabb sign with Oakland? Seriously.
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LOL! Same reason anyone would. MONEY!!!!! LOTS AND LOTS OF MONEY!
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Nope. McNabb, provided he doesn’t retire an Eagle, will have a chance to go to a team with a chance to win. Perhaps the Panthers, or Vikings (when Favre retires) or Washington, or even Buffalo.
Oakland…no chances of going deep into the playoffs until they decide to build the lines and implement a modern playbook!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Yeah SnB,
I’m not down with the fatalistic approach of “oh well Davis isn’t going to change, what can we do”.
We’re doing it. 5 consecutive blackouts and counting. Blackouts, Blackouts, Blackouts.
You don’t think the NFL notices?
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
What do coaches tell players in camp?
IF YOU WORK HARD AND COME IN AND DO WHAT YOUR TOLD, YOU CAN EARN THE RIGHT TO PROVE YOURSELF ON THE FIELD!
Look at Miles Austin. Practice team player to Super Star. Stayed with it, never gave up, EARNED his playing time and made the most of it.
Gradkowski earned a shot. He should have more than 2 games to see what he can do.
Russell lost his right because he took his physical skills for granted and came in with a sense of entitlement.
You ever hate working around someone who goofs off, wastes their talents, doesn’t take their job seriously, etc… and tops if off with the arrogance of entitlement while you you felt blessed to have the job and have to work your butt off to keep it?
That is why many players have responded positively to Gradkowski. Not because he is the better QB talent wise, but because he WORKS HIS BUTT OFF for his job.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
TO many of you are already blaming Grad like u expect him to be Joe Montana well of course he isnt. He is what we have and to blame him for the loss is just sad because to many of you were busy stuffing ur face that u failed to notice that our O line had a horrible game. They gave him no time to throw accurate passes and even so he made good decisions and kept from throwing an interception. Grad is doing great with what he has to work with and hes getting people invloved and best of all hes not making a lot of bad decisions throwing the ball. dont blame the guy doing his best to make it work blame the guy upstairs.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
After reading some of these comments I can not believe how stupid some of our fans are.
1. Al Davis runs the team and makes the all of the hires. If the team sucks (and it has since 2002)then it’s his fault PERIOD.
2. It is a team game. Not one person can turn the team around. You can have Brady at QB and the team will still suck. Gradkowski did ok because most of the time he had no time to throw and HE DID NOT TURN THE BALL OVER. Don’t get me wrong, he is NOT the answer.
3. JaMarcus is a BUST. Look, this is his 3rd year and he doesn’t get it. If he cared he would bust his ass and try to improve his game. He hasn’t and I’m not sure if he will. Maybe on his 3rd team…
November 28th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
The 1983 Raiders are on KTVU Channel 2. I accidentally found it because its called The Deadliest Catch which is the wrong title. Now theres some real truth to whats being said there if you haven’t seen it before.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I predicted the Cowboys would win 38-7. I’m surprised I was 2 Touchdowns off my prediction. I guess the Raiders played better than I thought.
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 am
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December 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Probably wont affect Al Davis, but the fact remains he has been doing a terrible job running the team and has turned the Raiders into the laughing stock of the NFL.
I gave up my season tickets this year. My friends did the year before. Eventually Raider fans will stop caring.