Tom Cable Q&A
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, November 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A transcription of coach Tom Cable’s press briefing Friday the day after a 24-7 loss to the Dallas Cowboys:
(I was traveling from Dallas and did not attend)
Cable: Quick injury update from the game. Greg Ellis was the only one who didn’t finish. Had some fluid on his knee. Ike Ekejiuba, really no worse for wear. Took another shot to the knee. It’s just basically a pretty good bruise. Cornell Green sprained an ankle, doesn’t look to be too serious.
Q: Is there a common theme to the big plays allowed?
Cable: There’s a couple of miscommunications. More than anything, we’re a man team, play press coverage, and we didn’t really play them up real tight. The runs, really, were empty gaps, people not defending the gap properly. But just too many of them. That’s really the tale of the game defensively. Offensively, ran it pretty consistent. Threw it OK, threw it better than last week, but still, against a good team like that on the road, you’ve got to throw a little bit better. And some of that, I think more in the first half just getting untracked. That’s progressing, and special teams was very solid it seemed like all day in terms of covering. Really didn’t get much chance to return. Just really too much to fight back from, too much to overcome.
Q: Was the short week a factor defensively in terms of communication?
Cable: Well, you hope not. They had to do the same thing. So I wouldn’t make an excuse like that. We just did not get it done there.
Q: What was behind the decision to move Trevor, have him play (weak side linebacker)? And do you anticipate doing that more?
Cable: I thought for what we asked him to do, he played well. The only difference in what we had done in weeks past is just stand him up more, not so much on the end but behind he line of scrimmage. Really it just gives us a little more physicalness. We figured going in that they would really try to run the football.
Q: Is that something you anticipate doing more of?
Cable: I think it’s something after looking at it on film was a positive thing and certainly will get better.
Q: Can you address struggles in the passing game with Bruce Gradkowski?
Cable: I would think that’s the only thing I would probably relate to the short week. It’s just the timing of our passing game. You know, it’s better this week than the week before, but like you just said, when you look at it on film, it’s literally a foot here a foot there from being a heck of a throw and a great completion. So if you look at that, that’s something that will just naturally get better and better. But that’s an exciting part of our team, because you can see it coming now.
Q: When you look at the tape, how was the protection?
Cable: Good. You know there was one sack early, we stepped up into one right there at the end of the first half, and then just the one in the second half. A couple of times he got a little antsy in there, but again, Mario’s playing a great player who got him one time. He got him on an over-set. We had a double with a tight end and a back, and it got split, and then one time just pushing up in the pocket. I think it was Spencer came underneath someone.
Q: Any consideration of moving the pocket so that Gradkowski can utilize his mobility?
Cable: Absolutely. But if you look at the width of their ends in this game, they were ready for that. Definitely. It was going to be part of the plan was to move him, but they were playing those guys, if you noticed, backside end was never a factor in our run game.
Q: You said pass protection was ‘good’, what was the grade?
Cable: What would the grade be on protection?
Q: Yeah.
Cable: I’d say ‘B’. You know, it was, for that group of guys, you had three other hurries. That’s really pretty productive against that particular group.
Q: Kelly said the front seven needs to get their act together in terms of communication and being on the same page . . .
Cable: Well I think, communication is all 11. You know, it’s getting the call, the huddle call, being able to get lined up, and fitting off each other, playing in front and behind each other, all the things it takes to be gap sound. You know the thing I took–one of the quotes I saw from him was, ‘We’re stopping them, we’re stopping, we’re stopping them, then bang!’ And that’s a very true statement. You know, you see a lot of high integrity defense, fitting it right, tackling it well, and then the next thing you know, bang, something comes out.
Q: Is that a thing where guys are relaxing after the two good plays?
Cable: When that happens it’s a person letting up somewhere in there, whether it’s a lack of focus or concentration or maybe over-running something, that’s part of it, too, is maybe you understand what it is and what you’re doing but you may get a little antsy and overrun it.
Q: What’s a successful week in terms of points allowed?
Cable: If you’re in that 14-17 range you’re doing pretty well in this league. If you’re doing better than that you’re probably one of the very top defenses. It gives you a chance to go out, offensively, and score two touchdowns and two field goals to have a chance to win it. I think we’re capable of doing that.
Q: Bush no carries in first half?
Cable: Really if you look at how we started the game and you start looking at how those three guys are used, look at how we started the game with the two tailbacks in the game at the same time and using some spread formation, and then a lot of three wide receiver with one back. I think nothing more than we started the game that way.
Q: His fumble vs Cincy had nothing to do with it?
Cable: No.
Q: How is Chaz and does he have the burst he had before the injury?
Cable: Looks like it. He seemed to be very much in control of what he’s doing out there and so for him to be back like that, that’s a real positive.
Q: Is Fargas a guy you can hold up as an example?
Cable: Sure I do. In terms of a bellcow, he brings it every day, practice, game day, loves to play, plays inspired football whether he’s getting it or not. If he’s out there protecting, blocking, catching it, whatever, you’re going to get 100 percent from that guy. He definitely would be an example.
Q: Will Bruce start against Pittsburgh?
Cable: Yes.
Q: How much did TD help DHB’s confidence?
Cable: As I mentioned after the game, every time those young guys do something like that, score a touchdown, hit a couple of big plays, go through a game without s drop, whatever that is. Those are breakthroughs and you just want to keep piling them up and pretty soon that confidence factor will kick in and you got what you wanted.
Q: Did you sense relief from DHB after TD?
Cable: Sure. I think it’s exciting any time a guys scores his first touchdown in the NFL. It’s a big deal for those guys.
Q: Worried about losing guys?
Cable: No. I mentioned this a couple weeks ago. The character of this team is really too strong. I just feel like we’ll go to work every day and put forth the right effort, put forth what it takes to succeed. It’s just a matter of being more stubborn than that negative emotion or negative feeling.
Q: Did you see improvement this week?
Cable: Parts of it. Look at the 5-something average per rush. The completions were up, throwing the ball for 200 yards, again another touchdown pass, some things that we haven’t had here. Those numbers are starting to come where they should be or need to be for us to successful. It gets back to continuity to solve your problems. That’s getting more chunk yardage, big plays in the passing game, and more consistent defense.
Q: How much does running game success a result of Bruce?
Cable: Yeah I think it bodes well for the run game but it also helps the passing game too. As I mentioned earlier, they weren’t going to let us run the boot game or move the quarterback and reverse stuff because they were playing two, three yards outside the tackle and tight end. They just weren’t going to let us do it. That’s space. By alignment they are creating space for us. It definitely is starting to complement each other.
Q: What will you do with extra time, rest or more practice?
Cable: Both. We’ll have an extra day again on Monday so we’ll take advantage of that, introduce Pittsburgh, come back Wednesday, Thursday, Friday like we normally would and travel on Friday. It will be pretty similar to a normal week with the added day of Monday.
Q: Weekend off?
Cable: We’ll be back in Sunday.
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November 27th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I found this SI article on Al Davis from ‘96
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/1/index.htm
I’ll post the highlights.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
From SI, ‘96:
During his 33 years with the Raiders, Davis, 66, whose title is president of the general partner, has built some of the most successful teams in NFL history, including three Super Bowl champions. But he has also made moves, especially in recent years, that have compromised the Raiders’ prospects for success and given the organization an aura of paranoia and divisiveness. The environment he has created undermined the Raiders during a six-game losing streak at the end of the 1995 season. As a result of that slump, the Raiders missed the playoffs for the third time in four years and the seventh time in 10. Many current and former Raiders players, coaches and administrators believe the blame for these years of failure lies at the top.
“The word is spreading about the Raiders and Al Davis,” says Seattle Seahawks fullback Steve Smith, a Raider from 1987 to ‘93. “The way they collapsed last year was typical. The Raiders have had more talent than any other team the last 10 years. They should have won at least three Super Bowls during that time, but they didn’t because Al screwed everything up.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
“There’s so much confusion there, it’s unbelievable,” says Greg Skrepenak, a Raiders tackle for the last three of their 13 years in Los Angeles and last season when the team returned to its old base, in Oakland. Skrepenak signed with the Carolina Panthers as a free agent in February. “The problems were selfishness and a lack of cohesiveness. You had guys walking out of meetings, coming in late or not showing up at all. There were guys talking back to coaches and coaches yelling at each other. You’re never really sure where the decisions are coming from, and it seems like everything’s a big secret. Ultimately the decisions fall on Al Davis.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
bunch of bull, fire his assss he cant get his team prepared to play, sick of the same ol same ol.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
All you guys going off on Gradkowski should remember one thing: his two starts were still both better than any of JaMarcus’ starts through the first 9 games of the season. He’s probably not the long-term answer, but for now he’s playing a much more competent level than JaMarcus.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Yeah SnB,
I’m not down with the fatalistic approach of “oh well Davis isn’t going to change, what can we do”.
We’re doing it. 5 consecutive blackouts and counting. Blackouts, Blackouts, Blackouts.
You don’t think the NFL notices?
November 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
SI, 6/3/96:
Certainly the Raiders have enough talent to inspire talk of a Super Bowl run. Last summer they spent several days scrimmaging the Cowboys, who have won three of the last four Super Bowls, and Dallas cornerback Kevin Smith says, “We feel like they’re at least as talented as we are, maybe more so. The other day a bunch of us were trying to figure out why the Raiders don’t win.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Good luck to my man Jim Fassel (perhaps our next H.C.) today in the UFL Championship Game.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
SI, 6/3/96:
Some players showed disregard for authority. In one ugly incident, which occurred a few days before the Raiders’ 34-21 loss to the Cowboys on Nov. 19, defensive end Anthony Smith attacked his position coach, Floyd Peters, after Peters questioned his play during a meeting. Witnesses say the 6′3″, 265-pound Smith knocked the 60-year-old Peters to the ground while other players and coaches watched. Yet Smith started against Dallas, which disgusted many of his teammates.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Repost…
What do coaches tell players in camp?
IF YOU WORK HARD AND COME IN AND DO WHAT YOUR TOLD, YOU CAN EARN THE RIGHT TO PROVE YOURSELF ON THE FIELD!
Look at Miles Austin. Practice team player to Super Star. Stayed with it, never gave up, EARNED his playing time and made the most of it.
Gradkowski earned a shot. He should have more than 2 games to see what he can do.
Russell lost his right because he took his physical skills for granted and came in with a sense of entitlement.
You ever hate working around someone who goofs off, wastes their talents, doesn’t take their job seriously, etc… and tops if off with the arrogance of entitlement while you you felt blessed to have the job and have to work your butt off to keep it?
That is why many players have responded positively to Gradkowski. Not because he is the better QB talent wise, but because he WORKS HIS BUTT OFF for his job.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Trevor Scott is getting the old Tyler Brayton treatment, eh?
November 27th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
SI, 6/3/96:
The look must have shown up on film, because two weeks later the Pittsburgh Steelers based their offensive game plan on the premise that the Raiders, because of poor conditioning and a lack of mental toughness, would fade as the game wore on. Pittsburgh coaches instructed their offense to run plays faster early in the game to tire out the Raiders. The strategy worked. The Steelers won 29-10. “They didn’t even put up a fight,” says one Pittsburgh player.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
SI, June of ‘96:
But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
SI, June of ‘96:
In recent years his treatment of two employees in particular—popular trainer George Anderson and future Hall of Fame running back Marcus Allen—damaged team morale. Anderson, who had been with the Raiders since 1960, three years before Davis arrived as coach and general manager, says he was forced to retire in 1994 for refusing to do a television interview condemning a book written by former team physician Robert Huizenga.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
“The word loyalty is bandied about much too casually in the Raiders’ organization,” Anderson says. “For Al Davis, loyalty means, ‘You be loyal to me. I’ll think about being loyal to you.’ “
November 27th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I want to make sure people read this:
# raidasteve Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
After reading some of these comments I can not believe how stupid some of our fans are.
1. Al Davis runs the team and makes the all of the hires. If the team sucks (and it has since 2002)then it’s his fault PERIOD.
2. It is a team game. Not one person can turn the team around. You can have Brady at QB and the team will still suck. Gradkowski did ok because most of the time he had no time to throw and HE DID NOT TURN THE BALL OVER. Don’t get me wrong, he is NOT the answer.
3. JaMarcus is a BUST. Look, this is his 3rd year and he doesn’t get it. If he cared he would bust his ass and try to improve his game. He hasn’t and I’m not sure if he will. Maybe on his 3rd team…
November 27th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
SI, 1996:
“The other players had heard so much about this ‘family’ thing, but then we saw what happened to Marcus,” says Ronnie Lott, who played safety for the Raiders in 1991 and ‘92. “All of a sudden, the guy who was Mr. Raider wasn’t part of the family. We wondered, How can you not play your best player?”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Real MR,
They have to go to the scrapheap to find a QB. The coaching staffs in Oakland is atrocious and the the Davis influence makes it impossible for a younger QB to develop and succeed here.
THey have to go to the scapheap and hope they can find a guy that is looking for a fresh start who has fallen out of favor.
granted, scrap heap QBs will never lead you to a deep playoff run….but aspirations such as those are not for the Raider fan to have.
Its about trying to get to a point where the team is able to compete into the 4th QTR in most of their games
………..
If this is the case, then the I hope they go after Jason Campbell.
Campbell will be a FA and has a 3,000 yard season and looks on pace to get that again this year. He has improved his QB rating each year and sets at 86 right now with a 66% completion ratio.
Campbell has worked in an organization in Washington that is much like Oakland with the turmoil, bad coaching, etc. and put up decent numbers.
He could be a winner with Fassell at the helm and some stability in the lockeroom.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
“Al wanted Jay to be the starter because Jay was the guy he brought in, and he felt Jay was more a Raider-style quarterback,” says Beuerlein,
November 27th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
“Teams would watch our waiver wire,” five-time Pro Bowl wideout Tim Brown said last summer, “because the word around the league was that the Raiders were going to release football players and keep the guys Al likes.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Yeah SnB,
I’m not down with the fatalistic approach of “oh well Davis isn’t going to change, what can we do”.
We’re doing it. 5 consecutive blackouts and counting. Blackouts, Blackouts, Blackouts.
You don’t think the NFL notices?
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Davis will cut expenses if things get that bad. Like Jerry says, there is enough money flying around to suggest a team goes bankrupt.
The NFL? They aren’t going to take Davis on.
The only chance of change is if they decide to adjust the way the T.V money is distributed.
Teh NFL funds this foolishness and subsizes Davis’s ABSOLUTE failure.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
SI ‘96:
(and, this also makes me think of the comments made to Brown about black athletes from ND)
In 1988 Davis ordered Shanahan to play Willie Gault, a former Olympic sprinter, ahead of Brown. Shanahan refused because Brown’s superiority to Gault was so obvious in practice. “That was the biggest fight we ever had,” says Shanahan. “No one had ever stood up to him. Everyone there is afraid of him, so that’s the behavior he expects.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
“He told me that if I went to the Broncos, he wouldn’t pay me the $250,000 he owed me [under the terms of his contract],” Shanahan says. Shanahan resisted, saying, “I have a contract.” According to Shanahan, Davis replied, “I’ll get you.”
November 27th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Sources say Davis meddled with game plans during the week and sent notes to offensive coaches requesting specific plays during games. “Some strange play would appear during a game,” Jamie Williams says, “and players would look up to the press box and say, ‘That was Al.’ “
November 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
White conceded that Davis regularly faxed him plays and called him with suggestions, sometimes in the middle of the night. (White canceled an April interview with SI because, according to his assistant, he was instructed to do so by Raiders senior assistant Bruce Allen.)
November 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1008197/1/index.htm
November 27th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Real MR,
Keep it coming. I remember reading that article a little while back.
Davis has absolute control of this franchise and runs it into the ditch
November 27th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Davis will cut expenses if things get that bad. Like Jerry says, there is enough money flying around to suggest a team goes bankrupt.
The NFL? They aren’t going to take Davis on.
The only chance of change is if they decide to adjust the way the T.V money is distributed.
Teh NFL funds this foolishness and subsizes Davis’s ABSOLUTE failure.
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If the CBS contract is negotiated downward due to the poor performance of the Raiders in the 5 largest media market in the US, the other owners will be affected.
November 27th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Real MR,
Keep posting that link throughout the season and off season so that people are focused on what is the REAL problem.
Don’t let these folks misdirect the discussion to players and coaches
November 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Guys, read the article. This article answers a lot of your questions as to why things happen the way they do in Oakland, and it was written 13 years ago!
November 27th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
It’s amazing. Same drill, in the mid ‘1990s. What’s happening with the Raiders is history repeating itself. Nothing more. Everyone is acting like it’s new.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Thanks MR. I saved it.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
All you guys going off on Gradkowski should remember one thing: his two starts were still both better than any of JaMarcus’ starts through the first 9 games of the season. He’s probably not the long-term answer, but for now he’s playing a much more competent level than JaMarcus.
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Whatever keeps you interested. The season is over and there is going to nothing to build on for next year. These last 5 games are as useful as a preseason game.
If Gradkowski is the answer for next year…then we are screwed further.
Russell being garbage doesn’t make “Grads” good. They are both unacceptable by NFL standards.
Explain this to me. How can Al Davis allow his QB situation to get so bad?
Horrible GM, horrible coach, horrible franchise!
November 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
MR…
That article has no new information. Every Raider fan that hasn’t been under a rock knows this stuff.
Gruden knew that stuff but he worked it and was able to be successful in Oakland. So was Madden and Flores.
Cable has the same chance to be successful.
Name me 1 play from the game yesterday that Al Davis called. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Which play was so far outside Cable’s gameplan that everyone knew it ‘just had to be Al Davis’?
“Teams would watch our waiver wire,” five-time Pro Bowl wideout Tim Brown said last summer, “because the word around the league was that the Raiders were going to release football players and keep the guys Al likes.”
Name me 1 player that the Raiders have ever cut that BECAME a Super Star on another team.
Moss doesn’t count, he was a star before he got to Oakland. Has to be a player drafted by Oakland that was cut in the first few years and just exploded on the NFL Scene with another team.
Just 1 player. Can you?
November 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I think this Raiders team is different and has different problems than it did in the 90s. A lot of punks back then. And quitters. It was the same here most of this decade, really through Art Shell. But I don’t think that’s the problem right now. There are a lot of young guys on this team now who seem to want to do well and don’t give up. Louis Murphy, Schilens, DHB, Fargas, Miller, Henderson, Gallery, Nnamdi, Howard, Morrison and many others come to mind as guys who seem to give good effort despite whether or not they actually perform at a high level.
The main problem with this team is we have probably the worst passing offense in the NFL. Cleveland is the only other team even in the discussion. And passing offense is by far the most important element of a winning NFL football team right now.
– The top 12 NFL teams in passing yards per game ALL HAVE WINNING RECORDS. And two of them are undefeated.
– Of the bottom 11 NFL teams in passing yards per game, NONE HAVE WINNING RECORDS.
It’s no longer about running the ball and playing good defense. It’s all about throwing the ball extremely well and outscoring the other team.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
“The word is spreading about the Raiders and Al Davis,” says Seattle Seahawks fullback Steve Smith, a Raider from 1987 to ‘93. “The way they collapsed last year was typical. The Raiders have had more talent than any other team the last 10 years. They should have won at least three Super Bowls during that time, but they didn’t because Al screwed everything up.”
……..
Guess what?
I’ve heard the same crap about the Cowboys, Redskins, Eagles, Bears, Giants, Bills, Oilers, Broncos, and Vikings.
Bills lost 4 Super Bowls in a row. Guess that was the owners fault.
Oilers/Titans have lost several playoff games when they had superior talent. Guess that was Bud Adams fault as well.
Broncos lost a bunch of Super Bowls too. Again, the owner.
Vikings lost the NFC Championship Game to the Falcons even though they had the best record in the NFL and were heavy favorites. THAT DAMN OWNER.
Eagles have been to how many NFC Championship games and a Super Bowl recently? Lost them all. DAMN OWNER.
Cowboys have lost how many playoff games in the last decade? How many Super Bowls could they have won if Jimmy Johnson wasn’t fired? DAMN JERRY JONES. AND HE STILL HAS A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR STADIUM, even with Wade Phillips as a Head Coach.
Redskins spend more money than any team EVERY off-season, yet are in total turmoil. DAMN OWNER! LOL! OK, I’LL GIVE YOU THIS ONE.
November 27th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Raider75,
Let’s not excuse Al Davis. We all know, based on reports and player comments, that Davis plays A HEAVY hand in the operations of this team.
He emasculates his coaches. THAT IS A FACT! When the coach fights back…that coach gets removed (see Gruden / Kiffin)
Davis’ RANK INCOMPETENCE is at teh root cause of all of the problems.
A team with worst 7 year run in NFL history!
A team with a terrible record over the last 25 years!
November 27th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
All you guys going off on Gradkowski should remember one thing: his two starts were still both better than any of JaMarcus’ starts through the first 9 games of the season. He’s probably not the long-term answer, but for now he’s playing a much more competent level than JaMarcus.
======================================================
Whatever keeps you interested. The season is over and there is going to nothing to build on for next year. These last 5 games are as useful as a preseason game.
If Gradkowski is the answer for next year…then we are screwed further.
Russell being garbage doesn’t make “Grads” good. They are both unacceptable by NFL standards.
Explain this to me. How can Al Davis allow his QB situation to get so bad?
Horrible GM, horrible coach, horrible franchise!
…………
Al Davis allow his QB situation to get this bad?
Multiple Organization have missed on drafting QBs and its taken them SEVERAL years to recover.
Texans – Carr sucked. It cost them 1 HC (maybe 2 after this year) and they are still looking for their 1st playoff appearance.
Broncos – Where is Cutler? By the way, where is Shannahan? Oops! They are fading this year and won’t win if they make the playoffs.
Bengals – Remember Akili Smith? How many losing years before they finally got Palmer?
49ers – Alex Smith… Need I say more?
Chargers – Ryan Leaf. 1998 to 2003 the Chargers were at or below .500
I could go on, but I think you get the point.
Al Davis missed on Russell. It may take a few years to find a QB. Its not like they’re everywhere.
LOL! I remember when Bill Parcells told reporters in Dallas that he would just ‘run out and get a pro-bowl QB because they were soo easy to find’
November 27th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Raider75,
If a QB shows up overweight, skips meetings and OTAs, doesn’t learn the playbook and lost his team..how in the Hell does he get the starting job?
Why not sanction Russell in camp. Demote him in camp and force him to PROVE he deserves the job
Nope! Al Davis, your hero, vetoed any chance of that…..just read MRs post to get a glimpse of how this guy thinks.
The team is in total disarray RIGHT NOW!
November 27th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Raider75,
Let’s not excuse Al Davis. We all know, based on reports and player comments, that Davis plays A HEAVY hand in the operations of this team.
He emasculates his coaches. THAT IS A FACT! When the coach fights back…that coach gets removed (see Gruden / Kiffin)
Davis’ RANK INCOMPETENCE is at teh root cause of all of the problems.
A team with worst 7 year run in NFL history!
A team with a terrible record over the last 25 years!
….
I’m not excusing Davis.
Just saying the same crap said about him could be said about a lot of other owners in the NFL.
I WISH DAVIS WOULD HIRE A GM AND GET OUT OF HIS OWN WAY!!!!!!
But hey, unless I missed the call, Al Davis has never called me to ask for my opinion, but neither has any other owner in the NFL.
Bud Adams didn’t call me before he f’d the city of Houston and went to Tenn. or hired Jerry Glandville for God’s sake.
Jerry Jones didn’t call me before he paid Deion Sanders millions of dollars to set on the bench, or hired that idiot from OU Barry Switzer. How about Pac-Man Jones, T.O., or Quincy Carter? LOL! Jesus Christ, How did this guy get a Multi-Million Dollar Stadium?
Lots of owners f up in the NFL.
Al Davis is just another example of Ego over Common Sense.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Raider75,
20 of 24 1st and 2nd rd draft picks have busted out in Oakland!
Draft pick after draft pick..free agents…coaching
The debacles keep mounting.
Where the F is the improvement?
Where is the improvement!
We are no better…possibly worse…then we were at the end of last year.
Are we seriously talking about EIGHT years of double digit losses?
This rank incompetence has to end at some point?
Doesn’t it?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
The team is playing hard for Tom Cable why get rid of that?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Its just the QB play that is the problem, and our defense needs a little upgrade on the line. Why are we commenting on 13 year old SI articles?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Raider75,
If a QB shows up overweight, skips meetings and OTAs, doesn’t learn the playbook and lost his team..how in the Hell does he get the starting job?
Why not sanction Russell in camp. Demote him in camp and force him to PROVE he deserves the job
Nope! Al Davis, your hero, vetoed any chance of that…..just read MRs post to get a glimpse of how this guy thinks.
The team is in total disarray RIGHT NOW!
…..
No doubt mistakes were made. Russell should have been fined and benched in camp this year.
Is it Davis’ fault. HELL YEAH!
Is Davis the only owner to make these mistakes? HELL NO?
Davis is not my hero. Just don’t see the point in bashing the guy for mistakes that other owners have made.
He is guilty, but he is not the only one, so its just not the biggest news story out there.
I’m just glad Davis finally recognized his mistake and allowed Russell to be benched. (Yes, I said allowed. If I gave him $30 mil of my money, I would damn well have a say in if he played or not)
November 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Same crap! Different day, different time.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Draft some big offensive linemen and start blowing guys off the ball. This losing dose affect you I am 45 years old and never thought it would be like this, but I am telling you we are not that far off. A year ago we had no recievers I dont hear anyone saying that, we got some guys that can play. We just need a couple more and a lot better play at QB.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
I think our receivers are getting better dose anyone agree?
November 27th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Get Vince Wolfork that ends our run defense problems, and upgrade the offensive line in the draft.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Do we have any receivers?
What plays have they made this year. For “Grads” or the other guy.
If Murphy catches that ball(s) in the end zone on Monday Night….or DHBs against the Chiefs…perhaps this loss yesterday would be easier to take.
But nope. The team is devoid of talent at MULTIPLE positions and has the worst coaching staff in the NFL
November 27th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Raider75,
20 of 24 1st and 2nd rd draft picks have busted out in Oakland!
Draft pick after draft pick..free agents…coaching
The debacles keep mounting.
Where the F is the improvement?
Where is the improvement!
We are no better…possibly worse…then we were at the end of last year.
Are we seriously talking about EIGHT years of double digit losses?
This rank incompetence has to end at some point?
Doesn’t it?
…..
Nope. Its doesn’t have to end. Al Davis could die and someone worse than him could buy the team.
We could end up with some dumbazzez like the Fords running the Raiders.
Raiders have a terrible record over the last few years, but the they are still not the Lions. The Lions have never been Super Bowl Champs. THEY STILL GOT A NEW STADIUM!!!!! How many draft busts have they had over the course of their team?
We could end up like Tampa Bay. They got there New Stadium, Super Bowl win, and now back to crap.
How about the Cardinals or the Browns?
I am sure all of these teams have fans who wonder how long will the losing continue.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Here are the team needs:
QB
RT
C
RG
WR
DT(s)
MLB
SLB
probably need upgrades at
RB
FB
FS
This team is soooo far away right now as at anytime in the last 7 years!
Its hard being a Raider fan right now
November 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
It’s all about the QB position. The fact that our WRs are all unproven 1st and 2nd year guys doesn’t help either. But if we had any one of the top 10 QBs in the league I would bet we would at least have a winning record.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Congrats to Jim Fassel (possibly our next head coach) on winning the UFL Championship Game today.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Hey Jerry,
Thanks for posting the Q&A. It is much better than your prev condensed and summarized format. We get a much better feel for how they saw the game. Glad someone asked the mobility issue with grad. Now I know why he didnt roll out. Looks like the Cowboys knew that you close passing lanes on him and he is limited. Cheers.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I thought we were real close on a lot of those opporunities in the first half with those throws. it was 1 step too early with those throws. Give Bruce a few more games to see what he can do. I thought his decisions were great as most of his passes were to guys that were open. He just missed them by 1 step. i’d take that over JR’s 10ft over their head.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
AIG,
HOw about a real QB. THe Raiders have to compromise on a lot of things….Coach quality, playbook, draft choices, GM, Stadium, Owner…etc…
Let’s just get a real freekn QB and stop putting hope and faith in players that ARE NOT NFL caliber players
November 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
THe remainder of this year is a waste. Just like a preseason game for the most part.
This pathetic team needs yet another overhaul at several positions.
Enjoy the remaining exhibition games.
Time to get ready for 2010 draft….that Al will screw up again!
November 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Jim Fassel if hired by the Raiders would be a diabolical mistake. The key to the turnaround is to get some help for what we have. Mark Trussman maybe add him, or another offensive coordinator added to the staff. Some of you guys are very frustrated but lets not burn down the house down because the roof leaks.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
We cant win with Bruce I would not go that far. The Cowboys didnt stack it up on the line with the run game becuse they know he might hit one or two if they did. What I saw yesterday was worth some significance. This kid reminds me of Gannon plays with fire you dont dismiss that.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
SnB,
in a dream world, I would love to have a real QB….but we live with Lord Davis until he passes away. So back to reality for me. I know that JR will get another shot again. I hope that Bruce gives competent performance to force them to only bring JR back when JR can at least do what Bruce is doing.
I know alot of guys hate Cable so my opinion is not favored. I thought Cable is right in that we are getting closer. Bruce found open receivers. He was too jumpy and didnt have throwing lanes. What do you do against a short and mobile qb? you take away his lanes and you force him to be a pocket guy. I was pissed to see we didnt roll out but Cable explained it today. I can live with that.
Bottomline is I have to live Al’s way until he dies. Nothing we can do about it. At least I will live with either Bruce or Frye. No way JR unless he can do at least what Bruce is doing.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Do we have any receivers?
What plays have they made this year. For “Grads” or the other guy.
If Murphy catches that ball(s) in the end zone on Monday Night….or DHBs against the Chiefs…perhaps this loss yesterday would be easier to take.
But nope. The team is devoid of talent at MULTIPLE positions and has the worst coaching staff in the NFL
……….
Murphy and DHB will get better.
Murphy was a 4th round pick. Any production out of him is a positive.
He has 19 catches on the year. 16 of those were when the team was behind with 13 for a 1st down and 2 TDs.
He caught the TD pass that tied the game last week against the Benglas.
Wasn’t he the guy who caught the 4th down TD from Russell against the Chargers in game 1?
He will improve and will be well worth the pick.
As far as DHB is concerned, HE HAS DONE SQUAT THIS SEASON. I doubt he will ever be worth the 7th pick in the draft no matter how much better he gets.
Not fair to have the same expectations of Murphy as we do DHB.
But hey, I am happy they have found 1 decent WR.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Raiderforlife,
he found open receivers yesterday. We cannot dismiss that. we also can’t have him missing those guys either. But I felt that the pressure made him inaccurate yesterday. At least he didnt miss them by 5 yards over their head, infront of them or behind them like JR does. My hope is those 1 step misses are ironed out and we improve.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Raier75,
they’re not doign the right thing with dhb. for a guy that is struggling you throw easy passes to him to build his confidence. I knwo from personal experience that little successes go a long way to making you a better performer. i have seen that in sports as well as in corp world.
They keep on throwing bombs to him. He cant catch nor estimate where the ball ends up. yesterday he slowed down for no reason and ended up tryign to catch it 1 handed. They need to do quick and easy throws to get that guy going.
November 27th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
MR…
That article has no new information.
………..
Duh!
Hence me pointing out that it was from 1996. The point of posting it was to show that history is repeating itself in Oakland.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
^^^^^Al Davis doesn’t give a rats a$$ about WINNING or the fans!
If he truly gave a damn about the fans and about winning, then he would do what Ralph Wilson is doing and interview REAL GM’S/PERSONNEL GUYS AND HEAD COACHES and not some PUPPET lapdogs that will obey him and stupid decision making!
The old man is an old stubborn lunatic and even after he dies his ghost will haunt the Raider organization and losing may truly never end.
Scary thought….
November 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Everyone, I think this comment by Raiders75 truly epitomizes the modern day Davis worshiper.
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Name me 1 player that the Raiders have ever cut that BECAME a Super Star on another team.
Moss doesn’t count,
November 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I think this Raiders team is different and has different problems than it did in the 90s. A lot of punks back then. And quitters.
……………
Oh, yeh, but not today!!! LOL.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
# aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Raier75,
they’re not doign the right thing with dhb. for a guy that is struggling you throw easy passes to him to build his confidence. I knwo from personal experience that little successes go a long way to making you a better performer. i have seen that in sports as well as in corp world.
They keep on throwing bombs to him. He cant catch nor estimate where the ball ends up. yesterday he slowed down for no reason and ended up tryign to catch it 1 handed. They need to do quick and easy throws to get that guy going.
^^^^^^^^
Yep! I have been saying the same crap since freakin Week 3….but Al Davis and Cable just don’t seem to get it.
Idiots….
November 27th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Al Davis could die and someone worse than him could buy the team.
………
I doubt it. It would be awfully hard for anyone to be worse than Al Davis. Al Davis has the worst record in the NFL over the course of the last 7 years. That means only 1 owner, in 32, have done as bad as him. And he is that one. The odds are 31 in 32 that Davis’s successor will put up a better record in his first 7 years than Al Davis did. It’s almost a certainty. A 10 year old could run this team better than Al Davis.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
The odds are 31 in 32 that Davis’ successor will do better in his first 7 years than Davis did in the previous 7 years, I meant.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
It’s all about the QB position.
………….
It is, and we’re stuck with 3 bums named Russell, Gradkowski, and Frye. That’s the problem.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
# raiderforlife Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Jim Fassel if hired by the Raiders would be a diabolical mistake. The key to the turnaround is to get some help for what we have. Mark Trussman maybe add him, or another offensive coordinator added to the staff. Some of you guys are very frustrated but lets not burn down the house down because the roof leaks.
^^^^^^^^^
LOL…..Not only does the roof leak….but the plumbing needs to be replaced…..there is mold within the house…..it is termite and roach invested…..the bath rooms and kitchen need to be gutted…..the exterior needs stucco and a new paint job is needed indoor and outdoor….lets see what else…..
Here is a good analogy since we are dealing an 80 year old man with an ego problem.
Imagine a house that was built in the 50’s or 60’s but only has been renovated and updated maybe 2 times within the past 30 years??
November 27th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
# raiderforlife Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Jim Fassel if hired by the Raiders would be a diabolical mistake. The key to the turnaround is to get some help for what we have. Mark Trussman maybe add him, or another offensive coordinator added to the staff. Some of you guys are very frustrated but lets not burn down the house down because the roof leaks.
……………
Sure, 6 straight years of 11 losses or more, and a 3-8 start in the 7th season, is nothing more than a “roof leak”. I can only imagine what your house looks like.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
raiderforlife Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
We cant win with Bruce I would not go that far. The Cowboys didnt stack it up on the line with the run game becuse they know he might hit one or two if they did. What I saw yesterday was worth some significance. This kid reminds me of Gannon plays with fire you dont dismiss that.
===================================================
Stop…….Bruce plays because Russell busted out. Period! Nothing more nothing less.
Don’t celebrate a poor performer just because the guy he replaced is horrible.
Let me put it this way….
If Russell is an F….don’t celebrate Gradkowski just because he’s a D-
Let’s at least get a C or a B- QB and not settle on a guy that we all know won’t be any solution.
Rosenfelds, Campbell, Grossman, Losman, St. Pierre…that’s where we are right now.
Gradkowksi…come on guys…let’s not overdose on the Kool-Aid…seriously.
That kid is a backup at best! The Raiders deserve better than that!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
raiderforlife Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
This kid (Gradkowski) reminds me of Gannon…
………….
Sure. Gannon in ‘03.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
The odds are 31 in 32 that Davis’ successor will do better in his first 7 years than Davis did in the previous 7 years, I meant.
^^^^^^^^
Yep!
It’s not just all about the QB position either…it’s about getting a REAL GM/PERSONNEL MAN AND HEAD COACH AND A QB who run a modern offense and who know how to game plan week in and week out and who are consistent play callers.
I liked seeing Trevor Scott play more as a standup 3-4 OLB and sometimes as a down pash rushing DE. Marshall is finally utilizing him like he should have been used from the beginning of year.
If he would have been utilized like that since Week 1….his stats would nice!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
hey guys,
I wrote to the best and most fair reporter on the Raiders imo and here is what his feedback were. Just thought I’d share this. I dont want to release his name out of privacy.
“Closer, yes. Good enough to challenge the elite teams, no. The offensive line needs to be upgraded, there needs to be a huge upgrade at quarterback — I’m talking about to the point where the Raiders can challenge for the playoffs/Super Bowl — and Darrius Heyward-Bey and Johnnie Lee Higgins need to go. Murphy and Schilens are solid players, and tight end Zach Miller is a stud. So, if you’re talking about an improvement over JaMarcus, then, yes, Bruce Gradkowski provides that. I tend to look at things in terms of the ultimate goal: winning a Super Bowl. Along those lines, the Raiders are deficient in the aforementioned areas. I hope that helps.”
November 27th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
# raiderforlife Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Jim Fassel if hired by the Raiders would be a diabolical mistake. The key to the turnaround is to get some help for what we have. Mark Trussman maybe add him, or another offensive coordinator added to the staff. Some of you guys are very frustrated but lets not burn down the house down because the roof leaks.
……………
Sure, 6 straight years of 11 losses or more, and a 3-8 start in the 7th season, is nothing more than a “roof leak”. I can only imagine what your house looks like.
^^^^^^^^^
LMAO! hahaha…..I pretty much said the same thing on my post #72!
Roof leak??? Hilarious….
November 27th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
hello Mrs.
as alwasy you miss the point. Until he dies, nothing changes.
but go ahead and keep on whining on here. At least you’re consistent. but doesnt mean it is going to change a damn thing now that you boought JR’s jersey I think Al appreciates your donation to his Tommy Kelly funds. cheerio.
sincerely,
AlisGod
November 27th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
# aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Raiderforlife,
he found open receivers yesterday. We cannot dismiss that. we also can’t have him missing those guys either. But I felt that the pressure made him inaccurate yesterday. At least he didnt miss them by 5 yards over their head, infront of them or behind them like JR does. My hope is those 1 step misses are ironed out and we improve.
…………..
And don’t forget, AIG, he has better high school stats than Joe Montan, Johnny Unitas, and Dan Marino!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
What is your point then, AIG?
You said you “have to live Al’s way until he dies”. What does that mean? That has to be the saddest thing I’ve ever heard. Why do you have to “live Al’s way” until he dies? It sounds like he is your master. Your pimp. That is pathetic.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
AIG,
I could list a half-dozen QBs with better skills than Gradkowski.
Absolutely no way do I want him as a starter next year.
We have enough “do-right” guys with no talent on this roster!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Trolls, it’s amazing stuff. I remember reading that article when it came out, as I subscribed to SI then. It’s fun to reread an article you haven’t read in years, and be reminded of so many interesting things in that article. I forgot all about the fight between Shanahan and Davis over Tim Brown, too. So much of what was going on then resembles what is going on now.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
The one deja vu moment when reading it, something that always stuck with me through the years, is where that guy on the Cowboys brought up how him and his teammates during a scrimmage with the Raiders talked about how the Raiders managed to lose, despite having so much talent.
Nobody really knew yet then, what was up with Al. The Raiders hasn’t been that bad yet. Now, everyone knows.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Snb,
I agree with you bro. There are some potential gems out there. But the reality is Al will give Russel another shot.
My hope is that Bruce plays decent enough that it forces Al to only bring Russell back when Russell can do at least with Bruce or Frye is doing. I am quite confident it will be an open camp next year publicly but privately they will give JR every chance to start again if not sooner.
So if Bruce can put up 200+ yds per game passing then we all expect JR to at least do just that when he is back in there. it is truly sad but nothing we can do about it. Al giveth and Al taketh.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Was the reason Garcia let go and Frye and Grads kept was to not put heat behind Russell? Was that a statement by Al saying JR is the guy? When Russell had his chance and failed, Grads has to step in a basically mop up the mess. At least Grads provides a bit of a spark, whereas Russell couldn’t. Doesn’t Al hold resentments against players who hold out for more money? Looks like JR got Al by the balls. Grads will give a 100% (tho that may only be 50% of what it takes to play qb) but its 50% better than what we had. Al may be completely lost now. Lets just hope he gets a gm soon. A good one, not a yes man.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Mrs.
the p o i n t is there’s not a damn thing you or I can do about it. Al is Al. He is a scumbag but I have learned to live with the reality a long time ago.
But keep on whining on here Mrs. Who knows your wish may just come true that he passes away quietly in his sleep. Just remember his mama lived to 100.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
# aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
it is truly sad but nothing we can do about it. Al giveth and Al taketh.
…………
That’s a lie. People can boycott. They can hold on to their money. If you’re giving money to Al Davis, in any way, shape, of form, there’s plenty you can do about Al Davis’s poor management. You can stop giving him money.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Island,
Garcia was an idiot. had he shut his mouth and play along, he’d be starting much sooner than week 10. Jerry is right. Garcia should have stfu and not asked for his release. He asked for his release. We didnt cut him.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Well Mrs.
nice talk but thanks for buying that JR jersey and donating to the tommy kelly fund again. Great bro.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Trolls, it’s amazing stuff.
MR
I’m 
sold 
November 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
# aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Just remember his (Al Davis’s) mama lived to 100.
……………..
So you want him to stay! Isn’t that what your point is with this comment? You’re boasting of his mother’s longevity, and therefore boasting that Al Davis isn’t going anywhere. This could not possibly mean anything other than you taking joy in the fact that Al Davis will likely be running the Raiders for a long time. So, it’s not a matter of there being nothing you can do about it. You wouldn’t do anything about it if you could. You want Al in charge. Otherwise, why are you boasting of his hereditary longevity?
November 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
AIG, I didn’t buy a JR jersey. But let’s say I did. I’m boycotting now. Al Davis hasn’t gotten one dime out of me since trading Gruden, except for that JR jersey that I never even really bought. But assuming I bought it, I’m boycotting now. Not another dime. You with me? Are you still going to give money to Al Davis, despite the fact that you claim to not support his managerial style? And, that is even in question, now, since you obviously boasted of Al’s hereditary longevity. I can’t tell if you want Al in charge or of you want him out of football operations. Which is it?
November 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Also Al, give up your stranglehold on the D co-ordinator and cut them loose. There is some potential there. Did anyone notice the shots of Otto and Plunkett? All with such a look of concern and not really enjoyng themselves. While I took alot of ridicule at my family gathering (over 50 people) for being a Raiders fan, it was still excitiing to see the Raiders on tv. They are what they are, but Oakland will turn it around, Thay have to. They must. They will!
November 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Everyone here, read this:
If you are giving money to Al Davis, there is something you can do about his managerial style. You can stop giving him money. That is something, right there. You’re doing something about it, just like that. And it’s effective. Al’s not going to replace you as a customer. His customer volume is going down, not up. Every fan that decides to boycott Al financially hurts him. Every single one. If you’re giving Al Davis money, and you feel powerless as to his managerial style, you’re not. Stop giving him your money. There’s your play, right there.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Excuse me, everyone. Please read, I meant. I beg of you. Not “read this”. LOL.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
IslandRaider, they won’t.
November 27th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
slandraider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Also Al, give up your stranglehold on the D co-ordinator and cut them loose. There is some potential there. Did anyone notice the shots of Otto and Plunkett? All with such a look of concern and not really enjoyng themselves. While I took alot of ridicule at my family gathering (over 50 people) for being a Raiders fan, it was still excitiing to see the Raiders on tv. They are what they are, but Oakland will turn it around, Thay have to. They must. They will!
^^^^^^^^Not until Al Davis stops making the football and personnel decisions….and until they get a REAL Head Coach….
November 27th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Mr,
1. No I do not like the way Al is running things the last 15 years and it began with the Marcus Allen controversy.
2. I wished he was able to change his ways and get up to date with the rest of the league.
3. I have stopped paying another dime to professional sports a long time ago. Their salary is out of reality and out of touch with the common man/woman.
4. The only contribution i make to professional sports is watching them which helps them make more advertising revenue. nfl tv is having unprecedented viewers so yeah they will make more money.
5. Al’s mom lived to 100 so I’m afraid he aint dying soon. So that’s the reality and I humbly accept that he will be in control for another long while.
Hope I addressed all your concerns.
sincerly,
AlisGod
November 27th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
oh i think the marcus allen thing started more than 15 years ago so correction on my part.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’ve said this before. Why won’t Al pay a gm and hc good money to do a good job and just sit back and enjoy the product. Why can’t he clearly see each year he sets records for futility. I can only think maybe he truly does not see how bad his team is, has no grasp of reality, and maybe his jabust has fried his mind. But get ready. Maybe he’ll awake totally exhausted from all this losing and realize he needs help.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
OK let’s talk some positives.
1. What did you guys think of Trevor Scott’s elephant and the benching of Howard?
2. Is Huff a keeper now?
November 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
island,
stubborn people are their own worst enemy. The more people say Al can’t do it the deeper he digs in to show people he can do it. Sad but true.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Aig, you’re boycotting all of pro sports? That’s interesting. Why do you even care, then? Heck, I’m not boycotting all of sports. In fact, soon as Davis is gone, I’m not even boycotting the Raiders. But you say you’re boycotting all of pro sports, yet you still follow the NFL and the Raiders? What’s the deal with that?
November 27th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
# aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
OK let’s talk some positives.
1. What did you guys think of Trevor Scott’s elephant and the benching of Howard?
2. Is Huff a keeper now?
……………….
What’s the point?
They’re both overpaid athletes.
Aren’t you boycotting them?
If they play well, their agents will only be able to demand even more inflated salaries for them.
Same goes for Gradkowski.
Why do you want him to succeed? He’ll just sign an inflated contract somewhere, right?
Why are you rooting for the people you’re boycotting? I’ve never heard of this! Dude, what is up with you?
November 27th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Mr.
I boycott the full price purchasing of their apparel or paying full price for tickets. Now I will attend games like I did last season vs Houston when I found stubhub tix for less than $10 per seat. I think that rather than going to play golf I can be at the game for less than $10. but you will never find me paying full price for anything relating to sports. I found hats for the sharks and warriors at $4.95 on ebay. They are just as good as $20 hats you buy from a sports store. I bought a jersey once for $20 nfl authentic on ebay. it was a Lamont Jordan Jersey #34. I took his name off and put my own name on. I didnt pay $200 full price for it. I like mitchell and bo jackson but I find it weird to wear another man’s name on your back. I’d rather put my own name on it.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
4. The only contribution i make to professional sports is watching them which helps them make more advertising revenue.
……………
So, you’re boycotting the players, because they’re overpaid, but you’re not boycotting television producers and ad executives? Are they not overpaid? Football players risk serious injury, including paralysis, in many instances, even death, while ad execs sit in a room for a few hours figuring out ways to dupe people out of more money, and then go out for cocktails. And, you’re ok with them getting your money, but not players? And besides, genius, the players get money from advertising, too. From their product endorsements. It’s the same industry. The only way to boycott pro sports is to have nothing to do with pro sports, like Kurt Vonnegut or Einstein. Get the F out of here. You are the most ridiculous person I’ve ever seen in here. You’re so full of it that it’s unreal. Boycotting pro athletes…and you spend your days on a Raiders blog looking for “positive” things about Raiders’ players. I’m laughing so hard right now that if I were drunk I’d be p i ssing right down my leg. You’re a riot.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Here in Memphis, I go watch the Warriors when they come to town for less than $10. I tip the usher at half time $10 and he gets me on the first floor. I’d rather take care of those ushers who makes minimum wages than pay full price for first floor seats. The Grizzs here never sold out and even on opening nite.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Mr.
I’m no angel bro. I am addicted to sports but I LIMIT my contribution to their overpaid salary from owners to everyone involved. I pay what I think is a fair contribution for my entertainment. cool?
November 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Mr.
I boycott the full price purchasing of their apparel or paying full price for tickets. Now I will attend games
……………
HE BOYCOTTS ALL PRO ATHLETES, YET STILL ATTENDS RAIDER GAMES!!!!!!
GET THIS GUY ON A STAGE, BEFORE THE CARNIVAL SNATCHES HIM!
HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER HEARD OF THIS????
I CAN’T BELIEVE WHAT I’M READING.
A DAVIS SHILL WHO COMES IN HERE EVERY DAY TO BLOW SUNSHINE ABOUT THE PROMISING TALENT IN THE SILVER AND BLACK IS ACTUALLY EFFECTIVELY BOYCOTTING ALL OF PRO SPORTS, OH, IT’S JUST THAT HE ATTENDS GAMES, AND STILL WATCHES TELECASTS. HE ALSO MAKES CERTAIN TO SUPPORT THE ADVERTISERS FOR THEIR HARD WORK. THERE SHOULD BE A PICTURE OF AIG IN THE DICTIONARY NEXT TO “WTF?!?!”
November 27th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
OK let’s talk some positives.
1. What did you guys think of Trevor Scott’s elephant and the benching of Howard?
2. Is Huff a keeper now?
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I don’t like moving this kid too much. Lets get him trained on a position before he’s stretched too thin.
Huff: Great that he’s serviceable now…..too bad he can’t beat Eugene for a starting job. 7th overall pick!!!
November 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
aig Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Mr.
I’m no angel bro. I am addicted to sports
………….
What an effective boycott, huh?
A self proclaimed sports addict boycotting sports.
He doesn’t believe in the players salaries. They’re being paid too much. Can’t say the same for the ad execs. They’re underpaid, in his view, so he tries to watch televised games as much as possible to make sure those poor souls can feed their families. But the athletes will get none of it! Not even Gradkowski, who he loves. He wants the Raiders to do well, he wants the players to succeed, even though he knows their success will result in higher salaries. It’s a confusing paradox. But he gets by.
And to think, he even managed to dig up some high school stats to make a case for one of these players that he’s boycotting!
Dear aig,
KEEP THE BOYCOTT COMING!
Sincerely,
The NFLPA
November 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
OK, in all seriousness, people, if you want to boycott Al Davis, don’t give him your money. Aig sets a poor example of what boycotting is really all about. The idea is to NOT give the person you’re boycotting your money.
So, again, there is something Raider fans can do about Al Davis. Stop giving your money to him, period. That’s something, right there. Every customer lost hurts Al Davis because these days his customer volume is not going up.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
snb,
I thought huff is finally starting now. Man, his game yesterday was good I thought. I never was a big fan of Hiram.
I liked what I saw in trevor yesterday. I think they found a home for him now.
We really need to upgrade our LB corp this offseason. I can’t remember the last probowl caliber LB we had. I think William thomas and Bill Romo were the last decent ones.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Everyone, I think this comment by Raiders75 truly epitomizes the modern day Davis worshiper.
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Name me 1 player that the Raiders have ever cut that BECAME a Super Star on another team.
Moss doesn’t count,
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Typical liberal misquote. Why not post the whole statement MR?
Maybe because I own you and your stupid article.
Moss wasn’t a Raider draft pick. nor did they CUT him. He never showed up on the waiver wire. He was TRADED.
Lets see what else I can expose in your retarded post…
I always love your typical liberal interpretation of history.
Just because Al Davis has been the worst owner by record the last 7 years doesn’t mean he is the worst owner.
In the NFL, Record means nothing. Championships mean everything.
Al Davis has 3 of them.
Could someone worse buy the team? OF COURSE THEY COULD!
Several owners in the NFL have never sniffed a Championship.
Would you say the Lions have a better owner than Al Davis MR?
Would you say the Cards have better owners?
You don’t have to respond. We both know you are intellectually incapable of arguing your retarded viewpoint without misquoting me and conveniently leaving out facts.
Typical liberal half-truths and deception MR. I thought you were a bigger man than that.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Raider 75,
Your comments are sooo true and hilarious. I have given up calling Mrs. on it. She just twists and turns again and again.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Al needs to enter the 21st century. What ever it takes, he needs to wake up. AIG, you’re right. Stubborn old people.
November 27th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
good nite all. thanks for the chat.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
From Mike Florio at PFT…
But there’s one major area in which the league can balance out the Thanksgiving (and, for that matter, the Thursday Night Football) experience.
With only three days to prepare for the Thanksgiving games, the road teams devote a chunk of those hours to travel. Though none of the three road teams played away from home on Sunday, which would have created two trips between the end of the Sunday game and the start of the Thursday contest, each of the home teams on Thanksgiving played a home game on the preceding Sunday.
So why not set up the schedule so that the teams hosting Thanksgiving games always play a road game on the prior Sunday? This would balance out the travel burden for both teams who play in a given Thanksgiving game.
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Interesting. Didn’t think about Dallas being at Home last Sunday and then hanging around for the Thurs game.
I think that created a huge advantage for Dallas.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
RealMaddenRaider, you’ve done a great service to this board. Bravo. It’s indisputable to all but the most obtuse that Davis has destroyed his own legacy. What’s amazing is that this was common knowledge 13 years ago and still didn’t get much play. The old man is a cancer, a disgrace, and the worst kind of megalomaniac: one who destroys for his own grandiosity.
November 27th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Oh,I get it–Cable watched a different game than I watched. For a minute I thought he was saying the Raiders’ line play, QB, RBs, young receivers and most of the defense did quite well against Dallas.
Interesting how Dallas moved their ends extra wide and it COMPLETELY shuts down our outside runs and/ or moving Tuiowsky out of the pocket. If that’s the case, then obviously Dallas was leaving big holes somewhere else because every strategy is a trade off. So what exactly did Tom “Bobby Fischer” Cable do to attack this new weakness? Stretch right to Justin Fargas?
November 27th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
The writing is on the wall for anybody willing to accept it:
Says Allen, who signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as a free agent in 1993, “I always felt we had the best personnel in football, but the best personnel wasn’t always on the field. We had to win a certain way or no way. Sometimes we sacrificed winning for a philosophy—or one man’s philosophy.”
In other words, Russell got drafted because he’s Davis’ idea of “A Raider style quarterback” even though the team never won a Superbowl with the big arms the old coot fantasizes about. Sick, sick, sick is what he is.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
I think this Raiders team is different and has different problems than it did in the 90s. A lot of punks back then. And quitters.
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Oh, yeh, but not today!!! LOL.
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Name some of the punks and quitters on this team. When I think of Raiders who quit when the going got tough I think of Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Charles Woodson and others. Moss being the quintessential example. Just because we have a lousy passing attack that holds the team back doesn’t mean they’re quitters. If they were quitters there’s no shot in hell they win in weeks 16 & 17 with nothing to play for last season.
November 27th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
i will give the grim reaper a BJ if he takes AD now. he knows talant but doesnt know how to use it.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
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November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Could someone worse buy the team? OF COURSE THEY COULD!
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How much worse can anyone be than Al Davis? 6 years with 11 losses or more (most likely 7)? What do you think the odds are that anyone could do worse than that? Most 10 year olds could run this team better than Al Davis. 7 straight years with 11 or more losses? You have to try to suck that bad. Anyone who’s trying does better than Al. It’s that simple.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Name some of the punks and quitters on this team.
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Chris, considering how bad this football team is, any player who doesn’t stand up and call out team management is indeed a punk and a quitter, and a bum here to collect a check. That means all of them. So here goes your list of punks and quitters on this team:
55 Alston, Jon OLB 6-0 235 06/04/1983 4 Stanford
21 Asomugha, Nnamdi CB 6-2 210 07/06/1981 7 California
70 Barnes, Khalif T 6-5 325 04/21/1982 5 Washington
33 Branch, Tyvon SS 6-0 205 12/11/1986 2 Connecticut
57 Brown, Ricky OLB 6-2 235 12/27/1983 4 Boston College
90 Bryant, Desmond DT 6-5 290 12/15/1985 R Harvard
29 Bush, Michael RB 6-1 245 06/16/1984 2 Louisville
66 Carlisle, Cooper G 6-5 295 08/11/1977 10 Florida
59 Condo, Jon LS 6-3 250 08/26/1981 3 Maryland
50 Ekejiuba, Isaiah LB 6-4 240 10/05/1981 5 Virginia
99 Ellis, Greg DE 6-6 265 08/14/1975 12 North Carolina
31 Eugene, Hiram FS 6-2 200 11/24/1980 4 Louisiana Tech
25 Fargas, Justin RB 6-1 220 01/25/1980 7 Southern California
3 Frye, Charlie QB 6-4 220 08/28/1981 5 Akron
76 Gallery, Robert G 6-7 325 07/26/1980 6 Iowa
5 Gradkowski, Bruce QB 6-1 220 01/27/1983 4 Toledo
74 Green, Cornell T 6-6 315 08/25/1976 11 UCF
75 Henderson, Mario T 6-7 300 10/29/1984 3 Florida State
12 Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR 6-2 210 02/26/1987 R Maryland
15 Higgins, Johnnie Lee WR 5-11 185 09/08/1983 3 Texas-El Paso
23 Holland, Jonathan WR 6-1 195 02/18/1985 2 Louisiana Tech
53 Howard, Thomas OLB 6-3 240 07/14/1983 4 Texas-El Paso
24 Huff, Michael FS 6-1 205 03/06/1983 4 Texas
11 Janikowski, Sebastian K 6-2 250 03/02/1978 10 Florida State
37 Johnson, Chris CB 6-1 200 09/25/1979 7 Louisville
94 Joseph, William DT 6-5 310 09/03/1979 7 Miami (Fla.)
93 Kelly, Tommy DT 6-6 300 12/27/1980 6 Mississippi State
44 Lawton, Luke FB 6-0 240 08/26/1980 4 McNeese State
9 Lechler, Shane P 6-2 225 08/07/1976 10 Texas A&M
20 McFadden, Darren RB 6-2 210 08/27/1987 2 Arkansas
80 Miller, Zach TE 6-5 255 12/11/1985 3 Arizona State
89 Miller, Nick WR 5-9 180 03/29/1987 R Southern Utah
34 Mitchell, Mike SAF 6-1 220 06/10/1987 R Ohio
51 Morris, Chris G 6-4 305 02/02/1983 4 Michigan State
52 Morrison, Kirk MLB 6-2 240 02/19/1982 5 San Diego State
18 Murphy, Louis WR 6-2 200 05/11/1987 R Florida
83 Myers, Brandon TE 6-4 250 09/04/1985 R Iowa
56 Nixon, David LB 6-3 225 03/16/1985 R Brigham Young
46 O’Neal, Oren FB 5-11 245 09/08/1983 2 Arkansas State
72 Pears, Erik T 6-8 308 06/25/1982 4 Colorado State
98 Richardson, Jay DE 6-6 280 01/27/1984 3 Ohio State
26 Routt, Stanford CB 6-1 195 07/26/1983 5 Houston
22 Russell, Gary RB 5-11 215 09/06/1986 3 Minnesota
2 Russell, JaMarcus QB 6-6 260 08/09/1985 3 LSU
64 Satele, Samson C 6-3 300 11/29/1984 3 Hawaii
81 Schilens, Chaz WR 6-4 225 11/07/1985 2 San Diego State
Schilens, Chaz WR 6-4 225 San Diego State
Scott, Trevor TE 6-5 256 08/30/1984 4 Buffalo
91 Scott, Trevor DE 6-5 255 08/30/1984 2 Buffalo
92 Seymour, Richard DE 6-6 310 10/06/1979 9 Georgia
77 Shaughnessy, Matt DE 6-5 270 09/23/1986 R Wisconsin
86 Stewart, Tony TE 6-5 260 08/09/1979 9 Penn State
71 Wade, John C 6-5 300 01/25/1975 12 Marshall
84 Walker, Javon WR 6-3 215 10/14/1978 8 Florida State
70 Walker, Langston T 6-8 366 09/03/1979 8 California
61 Warren, Gerard DT 6-4 325 07/25/1978 9 Florida
19 Watkins, Todd WR 6-3 195 06/22/1983 2 Brigham Young
54 Williams, Sam
November 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Would you say the Lions have a better owner than Al Davis MR?
Would you say the Cards have better owners?
………..
Weren’t the Cardinals in the Super Bowl last year, ding dong? That’s an easy yes.
And, as bad as the Lions are, they have at least made moves to improve. They fired their GM. Ours is yet to resign, considering he’s the owner as well and cant’ be fired. We’re in worse shape than the Lions in the long term. So yes, the Lions have better owners than us, too.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Could someone worse buy the team? OF COURSE THEY COULD!
………..
How much worse can anyone be than Al Davis? 6 years with 11 losses or more (most likely 7)? What do you think the odds are that anyone could do worse than that? Most 10 year olds could run this team better than Al Davis. 7 straight years with 11 or more losses? You have to try to suck that bad. Anyone who’s trying does better than Al. It’s that simple.
……….
Could have been 6 years with 16 losses.
Ever wonder why you only want to go back 6 years? Why not 10 years? 8 years? 3 years? 1 year? 5 years?
Why is always 6 years?
Liberal Interpretation of History. Just pick a number of years that supports YOUR position and repeat it over and over again. Sounds like Obama.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
So, Raiders 75, it was the fact that it was a Thanksgiving game? That’s why we lost? I mean, we’ve been one of the better teams in football this year, so of course we’re better than Dallas, right? But that pesky Thanksgiving short week…ooh, darn you NFL! Talk about liberal rewrites. We lost. In the NFL, you have road games. It’s the coach’s responsibility (that’s Al Davis, btw) to prepare their team for short weeks and road games. The better teams can do it. The better teams with 7 losses and desperate for a win to keep their season alive can certainly do it. But we’re none of the above, are we? And that’s why we lost. Go ahead, come up with more liberal rewrites of our failures this year and in recent years. And while you’re at it, give us some of your liberal rewrites on Raider history. I love how you talk about Al having 3 championships, as if any of them were recent. The most recent one was 26 years ago. Half truths and liberal revisionist theories. That’s all the Al worshipers have to offer anymore. Those of us that are realists, on the other hand? 3-8. 7th straight year of losing.
November 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Oh, sounds like Obama. I get it. You’re trying to move the discussion to politics to avoid talking about how bad Al Davis sucks. Well, no luck. Because I’m not going to discuss politics or Obama with you. Just Al Davis. And the reason I talk about his record in the most recent 7 years is because his recent record is what’s most relevant. You see, recent by definition is within closer proximity to the time we’re living in, therefore, it is more prevalent. What good is it that Al Davis won a Super Bowl 26 years ago? Give me some similarities to the Raiders organization today and the Raiders’ organization then. (this ought to be good). You can’t even find any similarities between the Gruden team and this team, let alone the Ron Wolf teams of our heyday. But go ahead and try. I can use the laugh. Or, keep talking about Obama. It’s not going to deter me. The topic today is Al Davis, his idiotic supporters, and I’m staying on it.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Raider75 Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Would you say the Lions have a better owner than Al Davis MR?
Would you say the Cards have better owners?
………..
Weren’t the Cardinals in the Super Bowl last year, ding dong? That’s an easy yes.
And, as bad as the Lions are, they have at least made moves to improve. They fired their GM. Ours is yet to resign, considering he’s the owner as well and cant’ be fired. We’re in worse shape than the Lions in the long term. So yes, the Lions have better owners than us, too.
……
Weren’t the Raiders in the Super Bowl in 2003?
Did the Cards win? No!
Al Davis has 3 Trophies. Cards have 0
I guess the Bidwells are better owners than the Patriots Kraft since the Cards were in the Super Bowl last year and the Patriots weren’t. lol!
Lions made moves to improve, but the jury is still out on if those moves were worth anything. Weren’t they the same people who HIRED Matt Millen? Who says the new guy will be any better?
Lions are 2-9. Oh yeah, those were some genius moves.
Lions are better off in the long run?
That is what is known as a subjective observation. I know you will have to look this up, but trust me.
Unless you are so f’d up you think you can predict the future?
November 27th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
C’mon MR. You and I both know you couldn’t run a Mexican Whorehouse, much less a Professional Sports Franchise.
If Al Davis had won only 1 NFL Championship in his life, that would be 1 MORE than you.
November 27th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I guess I scared MR away.
Blinded him with logic. lol!
November 27th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Ever notice that only the Davis shills claim victory in an argument because the other person stepped away from their computer? Just another sad chapter of their desperation.
Yes, the Raiders were in the Super Bowl in 2003. What’s happened since then? The Cardinals were in the Super Bowl LAST YEAR. Are you honestly going to make the case that going to the Super Bowl in 2003 is as prevalent as going a year ago? Surely you can’t be that desperate. Oh, who am I kidding? Of course you are!
The Lions have made moves to improve their upper management, considering their poor record in recent years. The Raiders have not. That makes the Lions a better managed team than the Raiders. Yes, the Lions have better owners. They do. Make the case for Al Davis being better than them, without invoking accolades from 3 decades ago. It’s a different league now.
Mexican Whorehouse…I love how you now invoke race as a distraction from this discussion. Any means necessary to get the heat off of Al, huh? How sad. But, sadness defines the state of the Raiders today. A sad owner, sad yes men as employees, sad players, and even twice as sad, idiots who are still willing to hand their money over to Al. How much did you fork over this year, Raiders75? You might as well burn your money. I feel sorry for you.
November 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
You know how I found the SI article from ‘96? I did a google on “Al Davis, Steve Beurlein”. Steve Beuerlein was calling the Alabama/Auburn came today, and while watching I recalled a beef Beuerlein had with Al. LOL. I swear. The internet is kryptonite to Al and his shills, like Raiders75. If it wasn’t for the internet, these guys would be kings. Well, probably not. Because most people would notice how much we’re losing, despite their spin. Can fool some people some time…
November 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
The Lions have made moves to improve their upper management, considering their poor record in recent years. The Raiders have not. That makes the Lions a better managed team than the Raiders. Yes, the Lions have better owners. They do. Make the case for Al Davis being better than them, without invoking accolades from 3 decades ago. It’s a different league now.
……
Won’t go 3 decades back. Just have to back to 2000.
Lions record since 2000… 40 – 104, No Division Titles, No Playoff Appearances
Raiders record since 2000.. 57 – 87, 3 Division Titles, 4 Playoff victories, 1 AFC Championship, 1 Super Bowl Appearance
The Lions made changes in the front office. So what? How’s that working out for them? 2-9… oops. These are the same fools who hired Matt Millen.
The Lions last playoff appearance was in 1999. They went with an 8-8 record.
Lions last playoff win was 1991. OH WAIT, I’m sorry. THAT WAS THEIR ONLY PLAYOFF WIN IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.
You couldn’t run a Caucasian whorehouse either.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Al Davis does suck, but not because of his record the last few years.
He sucks because he CAN’T F’N DRAFT for sht.
If he would just turn the draft over to his coach or to a competent scouting department, the rest would work itself out.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:06 am
2000 is 10 years ago. It’s irrelevant. Ancient history. The Cardinals went to the Super Bowl last year, which pretty much ends the argument as to who has better ownership between the Raiders and the Cardinals, especially considering that the Raiders have sucked, read, flat out sucked, since losing the Super Bowl in ‘03. Haven’t even won 3 games straight. Just pathetic.
The Lions record since 2000 is bad, but they’ve made moves in upper management. The Raiders have not. The Raiders, again, are the worst team in football since 2003, and are still ran by the same person. The Lions are doing something about their ineptitude, the Raiders are not. Period.
BTW, speaking of caucasian whorehouses, how much money did you spend on the Raiders this year? How much money have you spent since 2003? I don’t even want to know. I feel sorry enough for you already.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:13 am
# Raider75 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Al Davis does suck, but not because of his record the last few years.
He sucks because he CAN’T F’N DRAFT for sht.
If he would just turn the draft over to his coach or to a competent scouting department, the rest would work itself out.
…………..
Well, and if the queen had balls…
I mean, come on. That’s the whole point as to why people dislike Al, and know he needs to retire, or be removed, whatever. And it’s not only drafting. So many players have come out and accused Al of meddling with gameplans that at this point people who still believes he doesn’t are probably the people who shine his shoes on demand, too, as Shannahan talked about in the SI article. It’s not just Al’s drafting, it’s everything about him. He’s awful, and the Raiders will not get better until he is completely out of football operations.
And, the fans can do something about it. Boycott him! His volume of customers is not going up. Every single fan who decides to stop forking over their money hurts him. He’ll feel it. Take the power into your hands, Raider Nation, and stop listening to brainwashed homers and their inept, desperate propaganda. Stop giving Davis your money!
November 28th, 2009 at 12:15 am
“# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
November 27th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Ever notice that only the Davis shills claim victory in an argument because the other person stepped away from their computer? Just another sad chapter of their desperation.”
I have been reading the blog forever, but this is my first post. The answer to your question is “yes”.
The Lions have made moves to improve their upper management, considering their poor record in recent years. The Raiders have not. That makes the Lions a better managed team than the Raiders. Yes, the Lions have better owners. They do. Make the case for Al Davis being better than them, without invoking accolades from 3 decades ago. It’s a different league now.
The Lions demonstrated a willingness to improve their team at all levels, not just players and coaches. If I were a coaching candidate or free agent, I would rather go to Detroit than Oakland, given what I now know about the Raiders and Lions. Hell, for as much as people have bagged on Matt Millen, he is a better GM than Davis is!
November 28th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Reading that S.I. Michael Silver article was stunning. As if it were written yesterday.
The never ending loop of insanity.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Maybe BHP was one of Davis’ shoe shiners?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:25 am
“But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.”
SI Michael Silver 1996
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BHP perhaps?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:27 am
“# Raider75 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Al Davis does suck, but not because of his record the last few years.
He sucks because he CAN’T F’N DRAFT for sht.
If he would just turn the draft over to his coach or to a competent scouting department, the rest would work itself out.”
I think that the SI article that MR posted summarizes why Davis sucks for the past 13 seasons. It really has less to do with the draft than how he communicates and treats the employees, how he meddles in game planning, how there is always the question of whether you will be paid in full, how he only keeps the players “he” likes despite their not fitting into the coach’s scheme or how well that player performs compared to his peers.
Jon Gruden/Bill Calahan’s team won games IN SPITE of what Al was doing. It wasn’t long before Al finally drove away the people that were actually helping him out the most. That’s typical of him.
This team is going to be a wasteland of sewage as long as he continues to behave this way. It saddens me, as a season ticket holder. My friends and I die a little bit inside every Sunday as we file out of the stadium. I love the Raiders, but in these recent years, they have been killing me.
November 28th, 2009 at 3:07 am
Good Mornring NATION!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 3:16 am
Take the power into your hands, Raider Nation, and stop listening to brainwashed homers and their inept, desperate propaganda
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lmao!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Good morning 4eva.
How ya doing ?
November 28th, 2009 at 6:35 am
As Raider 75 said, the Raiders suck because of Al Davis’ drafting. When you draft Jamarcus, McFadden, and DHB instead of Clady, Crabtree, and Calvin Johnson, you suck at the draft.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Very good Neilb…and You???
November 28th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I say the book isnt finished on above said players
November 28th, 2009 at 6:44 am
I’m fine 4eva thanks for asking.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Just been looking at who we’ve kept from our draft picks.I’ve got paper all over here……
from 1999 to the ‘06 draft we’ve kept 11 players out of a possible 61.I don’t know what other teams look like or if that’s good or bad.For me it sounds pretty bad.
THE PLAYERS:
Jano
Lechler
Walker
Nnamdi
Sam Williams
Fargas
Gallery
Routt
Morrison
Huff
Howard
November 28th, 2009 at 6:54 am
That took me forever to type with one finger!! Ain’t doing that again !!
November 28th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Chili day here in west central 53 degrees
November 28th, 2009 at 6:59 am
ok…why you type wid 1 finger???
November 28th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Don’t want to sound rude or ignorant 4eva…..but I always thought Florida was always hot and sunny.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:02 am
……because that’s all I can do !! I’m useless with a keyboard.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:10 am
It usually is Neilb but sometimes you know!!! lol
November 28th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Attention!!!
Neilb…your post #153 has disappeared from the inter-net…please Re Post lol
November 28th, 2009 at 7:16 am
That’s not funny !!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Off to watch some premiership football now….
Enjoy your Saturday 4eva.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:31 am
cool Enjoy Neilb!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 7:45 am
There are at least 7 team that would pick in front of us right now. That’s actually pretty amazing, lol.
But we will probably win another 2 games or so, by hum bug alone, and end up picking around 10 or 11.
Not a real prime spot. I really think we are going to take a corner with Routt being a FA and no one behind him. Nnamdi and CJ will be the only corners on the roster.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Can anyone tell me why Thomas Howard was benched in favor of Trevor Scott?
November 28th, 2009 at 7:48 am
I mean, why Howard instead of Williams?
November 28th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Jhill
I’m still wondering were that move came from and the decision of that defensive move.
I was at the Cinn game and the 66 yard run and the screen pass was on the Will side were Howard plays. Also Jhill, the last few games the other teams has been successful, with some big chunks of yards on the Will side, where Howard plays.
Howard missed a blitz of Romo. I still would want Howard out there instead of Scott.
My question is why wasn’t Cable asked for the change. I didn’t read the answer or why the change anywhere.
November 28th, 2009 at 7:59 am
doo doo
could be a wrinkle…could be more
doo doo
November 28th, 2009 at 7:59 am
ah, let’s see…
DHB got a catch and it was a touchdown…
correction… it was not a catch… his hands missed it and he trapped it against his chest… rather be lucky than good…
truth is: Hey-Bey can’t catch… i’m not sure he ever will…
dump him and his salary and move on…
Russell is not and never will be the answer for the Raiders… you can’t teach self respect… you can’t teach work ethic… you can’t teach JR…
dump him and his salary and move on…
McTiptoe has reached his limit… he is simply not a pro-caliber running back…
dump him and his salary and move on…
Morrison is not and never will be a good middle linebacker… he can’t shed blocks… can’t stay in his lane… is not intinidating in any sense of the word…
he is and has been playing out of position… don’t bother resigning him…
Kelly and Warren are minimum acceptable DTs… there you have it… minimum acceptable, yet highly paid…
dump them and move on…
the entire right side of the line (plus center) is minimum acceptable… need to upgrade… this past draft would have been an excellent opportunity…
at quarterback there is no-one on the roster now who is capable of leading this team next year…
Cable isn’t the guy… but unless we bring in a Gruden, a Cowher or a Fisher (if available)… we may as well stay with Cable…
the ZBS sucks… has always sucked… and will always suck…
we have a really schitty GM… that probably should be fixed first…
this past years draft was the absolute worst draft in Raider history… (yes, you kind gentlemen are welcome to nominate other years)…
bottom line…
your defense will never be good without a top-notch run-stopping MLB… intercepting passes is not the primary function of a MLB…
your offense will never be good without a mature, intelligent QB… chucking the ball 60 yards while consuming a cheeseburger should not be the main qualification one looks for in a quarterback…
i could go on, but why bother…
the season was over when Russell reported to camp with a fat ass… think about this: we have a QB (Jacarcass) who can’t take snaps from under center because he is too fat and clumbsy to turn around and move away from the line…
i am so disgusted and discouraged with this team…
November 28th, 2009 at 8:03 am
I realize we are a 3-8 teama and by know means am I happy about it.
The first thing you need to realize is that 2003-2006 were completely wasted years with Lombardi giving Mr Davis terrible advice.
Lombardi was the architect of those awful teams and continued to preach that it was a coaching problem not a talent problem to take the focus on the poor job he had done.
Though it cost Shell his job, he made Mr Davis realize this by going public with Lombardi’s ineptitude.
Mr Davis went with Kiffin to upgrade the talent but clearly Kiffin was immature amd unable to handle the job.
The bottom line is we have improved since 2006 by playing the game the right way and building a young team of potential.
Penalties are down, accountability is up and when performance is not there you sit.(See JR).
With the exception of Kelly and Warren, high salaried under performing vets are gone.
Those two will be addressed this off season.
JR will need to renegotiate or he will be gone.
The Ravens proved that with strong line play you can be effective with average QB play and we will start with the lines next year.
I continue to push building the lines because it is the last step in the process.
Cable has cleaned up an enormous mess in a little over one year.
I understand that the buck stops with Mr Davis but Lombardi really hurt this team.
We are on the right track.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
charlie…
if we are on the right track…
please explain this past years draft…
how did that draft help this team???
that draft alone told me we are actually going backward…
by the time the lines are rebuilt…
we will be needing all new skill players…
rebuilding is not a 8 year effort…
it should take no more than 3 years with a competent GM…
November 28th, 2009 at 8:24 am
QB Bruce Gradkowski JaMarcus Russell Charlie Frye
RB Darren McFadden Michael Bush Justin Fargas
FB Luke Lawton Gary Russell
WR2 Chaz Schilens Louis Murphy Todd Watkins
TE Zach Miller Tony Stewart Brandon Myers
LT Mario Henderson Khalif Barnes
LG Robert Gallery Chris Morris
C Samson Satele Chris Morris
RG Cooper Carlisle Chris Morris
RT Cornell Green Erik Pears
WR1 Darrius Heyward-Bey Johnnie Lee Higgins Nick Miller
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If you look at the line Chris Morris is like the only back-up we need depth and starters on the O-line yet I think this year the DT’s and MLB will be addressed or who knows
November 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
4evaRaider Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 8:24 am
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now that is a seriously depressing list…
November 28th, 2009 at 8:37 am
sorry to ruin the start of the Holiday Season…
But yeah…not good,imo
November 28th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Pete,
Mr Davis has generally built teams from the outside in.
I do not like it because I think it takes longer to be competitive that way.
If you have the patience it can yield some very good results. The Cowboys of the early nineties were built exactly that way but they did not start winning until they drafted Russell Maryland at DT.
All I am saying is that we have a core group of hard working palyers that are playing the game right.
Buffoons like Sapp, Moss, Jordan etc are not on the team.
We have solid proven assistant coaches that have clearly pointed out to Mr Davis that our lines need help (See Seymour trade).
I am as frustrated as are all Raider fans but we do have a plan. With the exception of Kelly and Warren, there is no over payed dead wood on the team.
Those two will be addressed this offseason.
Warren will be gone.
JR is a dissappointment. Who else would anyone have drafted in 2007?
No one challenged that pick.
I am not giving up on him yet but the draft is never a sure thing.
The young skill guys need to get more experience but we must improve our line play.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Charlie, you asked who everyone else would’ve drafted in 2007 over Russell? (8% of the posters here are going to respond with one name: Calvin Johnson.That he would’ve been the savior.Ignore the fact that either Aaron Brooks or Andrew Walter would have been the starting QB. All the Johnson boosters seem to forget that.I am in total agreement that Russell does appear to be a bust. but I supported the pick at the time and stand by that. Because the #1 priority was a QB, no two ways about it. Calvin Johnson would have been an immediate waste with no one to throw the ball to him.Al definitely missed on Russell,unfortunately but there’s really no way of knowing he’s fail be until he’s on your tame and stinking it up. So the hope was that he would transition into an NFL QB, but it didn’t happen and that has happened with numerous #1 pick QB s in recent years as someone pointed out earlier. You could also throw out that old standby that Al should have taken Ben Roethlisberger instead of Robert Gallery that year. Or Larry Fitzgerald over Michael Huff.Hindsight is 20-20 as they say.
November 28th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Charlie Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Pete,
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Charlie…
i was one of those people against that pick…
i liked Walter… still do…
but generally speaking… i am never in favor spending a first round pick on a rookie QB…
my method would be to find that experienced QB with maturity who can lead the team for 5 to 10 years…
we’ve had success with that… Gannon, Plunkett…
as for patience????
are you kidding me???
half of the people on this board would have the Raiders winning football games by now if they had taken over 3 yaers ago…
seven years of futility is not an arguement for patience…
it is an arguement for a change in management…
November 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Hindsight? Davis has blown every first round pick except Aso.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:11 am
oh, i would have taken Joe Thomas in the first round of that year…
or… if i really were the owner of the franchise… i would have selected a legitimate 2nd rounder and offered 2nd round money… sign, don’t sign… it wouldn’t matter to me…
i’d rather throw away a top ten pick for nothing… then draft one and have it cost me a fortune…
November 28th, 2009 at 9:25 am
With all due respect C. Johnson will do nothing for a team without an Oline or QB.
See Detroit’s record since Johnson was drafted by the Lions.
Johnson is the poster child of why WR’s are the very last thing a team needs.
They are the equivalent of a great DB without a good Dline. Useless.
Sound familiar?
I would agree with anything that builds the lines so I would have fine with Joe Thomas.
My only point is we did need a franchise QB.
The percentages say you will find more franchise QB’S in the first round than in the fourth round.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Calvin Johnson caught 12 TD passes last year for the awful Lions. Do we even have 12 TDs as a team this year?
November 28th, 2009 at 9:54 am
“# Dark Forces Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Calvin Johnson caught 12 TD passes last year for the awful Lions. Do we even have 12 TDs as a team this year?
”
*****
good observation. Despite the Lion’s record, they still managed to have their QB put the ball into their best player’s hands 12 times for a touchdown. TWELVE TIMES to one reciever. Defenses know that Johnson is who they need to plan against, and they still get the ball to him. That, my friends, is a playmaker. Culpepper to Johnson would have worked just fine until we found a permanant solution at QB.
November 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Jamarcus Russell HAS been a bust so far yes. In agreement. I still believe he’ll come around and perform.
Who knows what Davis will do, but we may get some new blood on the lines next year.
If we do and they perform, theres a vast array of talent on both sides.
Huff may not be the answer, but Tyvon and Mike Mitchell have quietly been fairly solid all things considered.
I know one thing, I’m going to give Mike Mayock some cred when April rolls around…
November 28th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Wonder if Cable sticks. He’s good at the ZBS and looking at some of the drafts prospects, O line looks thin again.
ZSB is supposed to help that. Hope we can find some good O line guys. Davis probably thinks we don’t need any. Cornell Green is fine at RT…:(
Okalahomans vie for 2010 Drafts top lineman
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AjOnujRK7P4gXxYgtCApOA5DubYF?slug=pfw-20091127_oklahomans_vie_for_top_o_line_spot&prov=pfw&type=lgns
November 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Draft the Pouncey’s.
Though the brother combination thing hasn’t worked out for Philly and the Andrews…
November 28th, 2009 at 10:17 am
dacarcass will never come around…
he doesn’t even know he sucks…
November 28th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Florida Pete Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
charlie…
if we are on the right track…
please explain this past years draft…
how did that draft help this team???
that draft alone told me we are actually going backward…
by the time the lines are rebuilt…
we will be needing all new skill players…
rebuilding is not a 8 year effort…
it should take no more than 3 years with a competent GM…
^^^^^^^Exactly!
Once Al Davis stops making the football decisions and draft picks…starts hiring a REAL GM/PERSONNEL man and a REAL head coach….then and only then will the Raiders start winning again.
Thats the bottom line….
November 28th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Thanks Dell!
Kinda strange how Cable decides who to bench. The again, without much depth, Morrison and the rookie WRs have to stay out there.
I wonder what the long term plan is for Howard? If Scott is now the Weakside LB, then we should just cut the BS and go with the 3-4. There are so many times when we play around with it any way by standing a DT up.
Let’s just get on with it!
November 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Well, since Cable seems to like the I formation and running up the gut, why are we running the ZBS? We need some Oline guys that can just line up and punch you in the mouth.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am
side note:
i hate the ZBS…
November 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am
The ZBS is why we miss the old Oren Oneal. He made up for a lot!
November 28th, 2009 at 10:39 am
jhill Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Well, since Cable seems to like the I formation and running up the gut, why are we running the ZBS? We need some Oline guys that can just line up and punch you in the mouth.
^^^^^^^Running a straight up man to man O-Line blocking scheme is not the way to go either.
Art Shell tried that and the offense was worse than this years offense.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:40 am
LOL
Nnamdi21 Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Jamarcus Russell HAS been a bust so far yes. In agreement. I still believe he’ll come around and perform.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Florida Pete #169,
Post is right on the money.
You and I were pleading everyday about fixing the lines. Everyone gave a thousand reasons why Raji/Brace or Monroe would be a bust….blah blah blah
Run defense is still utter garbage. Yet you people talked about coaching, scheme, Rob Ryan blah blah blah
Most of the so-called experts here are no smarter than Davis. Fascination with speed etc….
Build the damn lines!
Vikings were making the playoffs with Tavaris Jackson.
Still we don’t learn.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Florida Pete Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am
side note:
i hate the ZBS…
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Another great post. This team gets pushed around.
ZBS is an excuse to bring in middling talent and pass them off as good
November 28th, 2009 at 10:49 am
jhill Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am
The ZBS is why we miss the old Oren Oneal. He made up for a lot!
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Oren O’Neal is a beast. Cable can’t evaluate talent worth a damn!
Get Cable and his “do-right” guys have decimated this franchise. GEt him outtah here and try and get a coach with NFL experience (read Fassell)
November 28th, 2009 at 10:49 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Florida Pete #169,
Post is right on the money.
You and I were pleading everyday about fixing the lines. Everyone gave a thousand reasons why Raji/Brace or Monroe would be a bust….blah blah blah
Run defense is still utter garbage. Yet you people talked about coaching, scheme, Rob Ryan blah blah blah
Most of the so-called experts here are no smarter than Davis. Fascination with speed etc….
Build the damn lines!
^^^^^^^Not that many people here wanted DHB or Maclin.
Most wanted Crabtree, Monroe or Orakpo actually.
The pick should have been Monroe or Crabtree OR a TRADE DOWN to get Harvin or Orakpo.
But nooooooooo….the stupid old man GM does something STUPID……again on draft day!
November 28th, 2009 at 10:51 am
jhill Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Thanks Dell!
Kinda strange how Cable decides who to bench. The again, without much depth, Morrison and the rookie WRs have to stay out there.
I wonder what the long term plan is for Howard? If Scott is now the Weakside LB, then we should just cut the BS and go with the 3-4. There are so many times when we play around with it any way by standing a DT up.
Let’s just get on with it!
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No rhyme or reason to what’s going on here. HOward was the problem? Give me a break!
Yet Eugene plays week after week, Morrison?
Cable is a baffoon.
Howard is a beast on another team with a real scheme and playcalling.
This team is as far away from winning as it has ever been during the last 7 years!
November 28th, 2009 at 10:51 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Florida Pete #169,
Post is right on the money.
You and I were pleading everyday about fixing the lines. Everyone gave a thousand reasons why Raji/Brace or Monroe would be a bust….blah blah blah
Run defense is still utter garbage. Yet you people talked about coaching, scheme, Rob Ryan blah blah blah
Most of the so-called experts here are no smarter than Davis. Fascination with speed etc….
Build the damn lines!
Vikings were making the playoffs with Tavaris Jackson.
Still we don’t learn.
^^^^^^^^Not WE SNB.
It’s Al Davis who doesn’t learn and loves his delusional world he lives in.
Fact of the matter is…..the Raiders are dying just like Al Davis is dying.
November 28th, 2009 at 10:59 am
SnB,
Dell made a good point about Howard giving up big screens. Huff has been starting for Eugene for a while now. It’s been at least 3 or 4 games. My issue is with Eugene playing over Mitchell. Slide Branch back to FS and bring Mitchell in at SS.
Norris is already 245. Him and Nixon are essentially on the weight program this year, and are getting good run on STs now.
This years draft should net us a solid DT around 10 or 11. We already have our 3/4 DEs in Seymour and Shaugnessy.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:03 am
i can’t swear to it… cause i’m not an insider…
but the way cable picks his starters (if there is a decision to be made between two people) is as follows:
1. those who give him a reach around…
2. those who promise not to tell Davis that he asked for a reach around…
November 28th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Jhill,
That scheme is broken at its core. Even Phillips said you can’t run man2man for 80 and 90% of the game and hold up.
The run defense has been 30 or worse for 6 years now.
As for Branch….leave him alone. We have a player that is performing at a high level….leave him at SS and let’s just enjoy the fact we got one position locked down. Not risking moving him around at all. Let him master the SS position first.
Howard is a player. Get him blitzing (run or pass) get him in coverage etc….
Moving Scott out there? Okay fine. Maybe Scott could be put at SLB? Good freekn grief.
THis team is badly broken. Also, Eugene started Thanksgiving.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
post 199:
“Vikings were making the playoffs with Tavaris Jackson.
Still we don’t learn.
^^^^^^^^Not WE SNB. It’s Al Davis”
he didn’t mean “we” as in, me and you. He meant the Raiders (Al D.) It seemed obvious to me.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Since no legitimate coach is going to come here lets just keep Cable and hire a OC. If Cable doesn’t like that he can go phuk himself.
Gradkowski has 1/2 the yards of Russell in just 2 games and more TD. JaMeatball supporters are the dumbest things walking this planet.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Florida Pete,
Against Dallas Cable had:
QB: Gradkowski
RB: Fargas
WR: Heyward-Bey
RT: Green
RG: Carlisle
FS: Eugene
SLB: Williams
Those are HIS guys! My biggest fear is he falls in love with Gradkowski and we are saddled with this guy in 2010!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:09 am
ZBS sucks! It’s it meant for a weak ass line. I like the power blocking lines. When the ZBS gets outschemed, then games like Dallas happen.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
And sign a veteran QB in the offseason. Actually bring in FOUR vets to compete!
Choose among:
St. Pierre
Grossman
Campbell
Vick
Losman
Rosenfelds
and move on!
Cut Russell…..cut Gradkowski…..cut Frye
November 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
I just got home.
Well that took some of the air out of my T-day ballon.
That is the second game I have seen this year.
I did not get to watch much (I was turkey fryer, noone else had the cojones) but I noticed they had a big pass rush and Bruce was under constant pressure. He was hurried and hit everytime I saw him.
But what impressed me was Bruce was able to stay in the pocket. I admit that I am not a x & o guy or a fountain of knowledge but I dont see many QB’s hang in there like that.
Am I wrong?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:19 am
DT is not this team’s problem. No way should we have picked Raji or Monroe. Last I heard Monroe was in and out of the starting lineup in Jacksonville because of inconsistent performance anyway so I’m not sure why so many think we whiffed there. Of course virtually no one thought we should take DHB at No. 7, myself included. (For the record I wanted to trade down and get Maualuga and Loadholt, or barring a trade down go with either Maualuga, Maclin or Crabtree at No. 7).
The reason we’re 3-8 isn’t because of the DTs or even the run D. It’s not even because of the o-line which is mediocre. It’s because we have virtually no passing game. It’s because of lousy QB play — particularly JaMarcus — and starting 2 rookie WRs who usually have trouble catching the ball.
Passing offense is the most important component to have in the NFL right now. Look at the top 12 passing teams — none has a losing record. Of the bottom 11 passing teams: none has a winning record. It’s as simple as that. We need to find a QB. That’s far and away the Raiders’ No. 1 priority. The WRs should get much better with time and hopefully Schilens stays healthy from now on.
I firmly believe that with a Peyton Manning this team would be at least 8-3, rather than 3-8.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Jhll
My comments earlier in this post was the big yardage on the Raider defense seems to be the weak or Will linebacker spot recently. It could be screens or sweeps or off tackle plays that have been a big problem for this defense.
Seymour can only maintain a gap in the inside and out, but beyond that he needs a linebacker to help out in those plays he is teamed or doubled.
I am in agreement with not starting Eugene over Huff for the first part of this season, especially since Huff was showing great coverage and run recognition in the pre season and in his spot duty in their nickle packages early in the season. That was a big error to let that play out as long as it did.
Trevor Scott needs to be a pass rusher or hybrid lineman in certain defensive scheme depending on down and distance. Move him around and wreck some havoc in the offensive lineman coordination of their blocking and let’s play some ball. This straight four man rush is not foolin any team or lineman that plays against us.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Chris in NY
I implore you to go to NFLN and watch the replay of the game. The linebackers for the Raiders can’t get off blocks or over commit to a gap and are rode out or missread the play constantly.
The problem is all of them. Our MLB is why we have been gashed consistently, due to many times simply can’t get off a block or is committed to a gap and rushes in and takes himself out of the play.
Look closely at Morrisson, and stop assuming we need DT’S, linebacker are there to fill or assist, when the play is broken down, they are not engaged with lineman at the snap of the play.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:28 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Florida Pete,
Against Dallas Cable had:
QB: Gradkowski
RB: Fargas
WR: Heyward-Bey
RT: Green
RG: Carlisle
FS: Eugene
SLB: Williams
Those are HIS guys! My biggest fear is he falls in love with Gradkowski and we are saddled with this guy in 2010!
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jeezus…
i never thought it would come down to Gradkowski’s “stroke”…
.
oh…. rim shot !!!!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Rob Ryan is gone, but the big plays have not left. Dallas had 12 plays for over 3oo yards, their total yardage for the game was around 400 yards.
Remove the big plays and reduce them down to at least the NFL average 35%, we are in more games and probably have maybe 2-3 more wins.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:30 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
And sign a veteran QB in the offseason. Actually bring in FOUR vets to compete!
Choose among:
St. Pierre
Grossman
Campbell
Vick
Losman
Rosenfelds
and move on!
Cut Russell…..cut Gradkowski…..cut Frye
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i say Losman… he has earned a legit shot at NFL QB…
also… really good CFL QBs tend to do very well in the NFL…
November 28th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Is OO still in the league?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:33 am
eugene HAS NOT started over huff in weeks. eugene is always announced as starter by commentators, but hasnt started in weeks. nor should he. mitchell should be on the field b4 eugene.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am
i agree that morrison is a hufe part of why our run d sux. ALWAYS over pursues. never really in good position. you see howard make more plays in the backfield coming right up the gut. morrison is junk. just like tommy kelly
November 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Dell,
I agree that our LB play has been spotty at best. The talent in the upcoming draft is along the Dline, but I think we will miss out picking around 10 or 11.
We should be able to get one of the top LBs at 10.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Raider Dell,
Good analysis, that and having the LB’s cover their wide receiver’s. Mismatches the Cowgirls took advantage of.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:39 am
cut Frye
but
Choose among:
St. Pierre
Grossman
Campbell
Vick
Losman
Rosenfelds
?????????????????????????????????????????
Not quite sure how any of those guys are better than Frye. And can we please stop with the Vick chatter?
November 28th, 2009 at 11:40 am
OO is on IR, I think.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I like Jake Locker (QB, Washington) or Dez Bryant (WR, Oklahoma St.) in this year’s draft.
Bryant is a slam-dunk stud WR. Very similar to T.O. and Andre Johnson.
Locker, IMO, is the best in this class at the most important position in the game. Very athletic. Very gritty. Could be a cross between Steve Young and Ben Roethlisberger.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:45 am
jhill Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:39 am
cut Frye
but
Choose among:
St. Pierre
Grossman
Campbell
Vick
Losman
Rosenfelds
?????????????????????????????????????????
Not quite sure how any of those guys are better than Frye. And can we please stop with the Vick chatter?
^^^^^^^I would take Kevin Kolb ahead of all the of them…..but it would depend on whether the offensive system is a west coast style and a timing passing scheme.
If they try and a do the lousy offense they have now with forcing the ball deep with low percentage passes 85% of the time…..Kolb would not be a good fit.
I’m telling you….Kevin Kolb is the next Matt Schaub!
November 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Actually Bryant is more like T.O. than Andre Johnson. A little like Anquan Boldin too, but faster.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:48 am
4 former Raiders among 25 HOF semifinalists: Tim Brown, Cliff Branch, Ray Guy and Lester Hayes. Good luck. Hopefully at least one of those guys finally makes it this year. It’d be about time.
November 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Kevin Kolb is being developed to be the heir to McNabb. See, that’s what good COMPETENT ORGANIZATIONS DO. They continuously work towards improving the team WHILE WINNING AT THE SAME TIME!
So Kolb is out of the question. Eagles are not going to trade their starting QB for the next 10 years.
The incompetence of the Raiders is always on full display.
So, we have to get some vets and hope for the best. I would hope that we trade for someone. Why? A trade woud suggest value on the other side. That value can serve as a proxy for the Raiders recruiting capability…which is limited.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I like Jake Locker (QB, Washington) or Dez Bryant (WR, Oklahoma St.) in this year’s draft.
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Absolutely no way the RAiders draft a QB again! or a receiver.
Can’t develop the QBs in Oakland because they don’t know how.
Fix the lines…..can’t go wrong there
November 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Injured and patch work O line
NO starting FB (Practice squad Lawton and scrub Gary Russell?!)
Drafting DMC, lucking into a potential like Bush and then thwarting them with FBs like them makes as much sense as paying a #1 overall DP at QB and then pairing him with upolished rookie wides being taught by a WR coach with no business coaching.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Jake Locker may remain at Washington another year according to some of the talk shows. He was also drafted by the Angels and may opt to play baseball. He plays part time (non-roster) on a semi-pro club, Bellingham Bells, during the summer.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 7:59 am
truth is: Hey-Bey can’t catch… i’m not sure he ever will…
dump him and his salary and move on…
Russell is not and never will be the answer for the Raiders… you can’t teach self respect… you can’t teach work ethic… you can’t teach JR…
dump him and his salary and move on…
McTiptoe has reached his limit… he is simply not a pro-caliber running back…
dump him and his salary and move on…
Kelly and Warren are minimum acceptable DTs… there you have it… minimum acceptable, yet highly paid…
dump them and move on…
the entire right side of the line (plus center) is minimum acceptable… need to upgrade… this past draft would have been an excellent opportunity…
Cable isn’t the guy… but unless we bring in a Gruden, a Cowher or a Fisher (if available)… we may as well stay with Cable…
we have a really schitty GM… that probably should be fixed first…
this past years draft was the absolute worst draft in Raider history… (yes, you kind gentlemen are welcome to nominate other years)…
the season was over when Russell reported to camp with a fat ass… think about this: we have a QB (Jacarcass) who can’t take snaps from under center because he is too fat and clumbsy to turn around and move away from the line…
i am so disgusted and discouraged with this team…
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Interesting in that everything YOU just pointed out as glaring problems/weaknesses is the exact same thing I pointed out to you during training camp, which you discounted.
I knew you would come around, lol.
Told ya..sometimes REALITY BITES.
Instead of an apology, or doing my yard, as you pro
November 28th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Raider Dell,
Good analysis, that and having the LB’s cover their wide receiver’s. Mismatches the Cowgirls took advantage of.
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Anyone vs Sam Williams = mismatch.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
*Instead of an apology, or doing my yard, as you promised, a box of See’s Candy will suffice.
Dark Bordeaux, preferably.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I like Jake Locker (QB, Washington) or Dez Bryant (WR, Oklahoma St.) in this year’s draft.
Bryant is a slam-dunk stud WR. Very similar to T.O. and Andre Johnson.
Locker, IMO, is the best in this class at the most important position in the game. Very athletic. Very gritty. Could be a cross between Steve Young and Ben Roethlisberger.
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Excuse me..but are you trying to instill logic?
This is Al.
Let’s make it easier? Which player (not qb, player, because Al has a history of priding himself on everyone saying WTF WAS THAT after his picks)is the most unlikely choice?
Now beat the rush, and buy his jersey now.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
SnB said
Kevin Kolb is being developed to be the heir to McNabb. See, that’s what good COMPETENT ORGANIZATIONS DO. They continuously work towards improving the team WHILE WINNING AT THE SAME TIME!
So Kolb is out of the question. Eagles are not going to trade their starting QB for the next 10 years.
Thank you. JaChunkysoup will be eaten long before KK
November 28th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Does anyone like Colt McCoy? I don’t see the Raiders ever getting a qb in the draft soon. There only hope is to pick up and recycle a FA. Have they ever had a succesful drafted qb other than Stabler?
I remember Rusty Hilger replacing Plunkett in a game vs. Seattle. That was a bad scene. And look how long we had to sweat out the Marc Wilson years. Todd Moronavich was in keeping with their picks. Raiders need to find a FA QB. Its their only hope.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
So I am the only one who thought Bruce did a great job of staying in the pocket untill the last millisecond before pulling the trigger?
Even though the results were woeful.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Richoschit…
the last thing i need is to be pestered by a guy for whom the 2 minute drill is a sexuaal experience…
November 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Island
I have become inclined to think QB’s from Texas and other big name conferences tend to be bust.
Some poster here puts up the spreadsheet about how few QB’s from certain schools tend to not cut it.
I realize that does not mean its 100% but I would rather Al work on other things and try to pluck an eperienced QB from someone who knows how to develop them.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
gradkowski short arms the ball…
he is 3 games away from having them all batted down at the line of scrimmage…
November 28th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Since no legitimate coach is going to come here lets just keep Cable and hire a OC. If Cable doesn’t like that he can go phuk himself.
Gradkowski has 1/2 the yards of Russell in just 2 games and more TD. JaMeatball supporters are the dumbest things walking this planet.
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Why should Cable care? lol..I mean, the WHOLE COACHING TEAM WAS HIRED, and then…THEN..Cable was hired.
How can we forget the “Those assts. are Cable’s”, where reporters asked “but..what about the other “finalist” who, as YOU reported to us, Al, was in it until the last second? How can you say any of those assts are Cable’s when this other “fella” was close to getting the job?”
Was priceless watching that dumbfounded look on Al’s face, as he tried to think of something in reply, finally settling for “Cable accepts whatever coaches he’s given”
Reporter: AHHHHHHhhhh…so..in other words, he DOESN’T hire his own assts?”
Back to Cable: The HC is the scapegoat. You know that. Al’s way of saying “wasn’t ME..was that guy..and he’s OUTAAAAA HERE”.
But yeah, Cable needs a solid OC, and needs to accept the fact he SUCKS at calling plays.
Supposed to be the oline guru, but the oline sucks.
What does cable do well? Besides toe the puppet line?
November 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
I like Jake Locker (QB, Washington) or Dez Bryant (WR, Oklahoma St.) in this year’s draft.
Bryant is a slam-dunk stud WR. Very similar to T.O. and Andre Johnson.
Locker, IMO, is the best in this class at the most important position in the game. Very athletic. Very gritty. Could be a cross between Steve Young and Ben Roethlisberger.
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Locker needs a bit more schooling in a pro style offense. He has accuracy problems. I like Clausen.
Heady smart player, who has played in a pro offense for 3 years, has a strong arm, good pocket awareness and more importantly throws with ACCURACY.
All he needs is a good O-Line, a good running game, decent WR who can catch the ball and a good defense. He can do everything else.
I also think Dez Bryant is a stud. He will be better than Crabtree.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Ric
I would say stability but you would remind me of how ignorant I am for wanting 4-12 stability so tell Al to fire him and be done with the strong pimp hand who loves the Raiders and looks like a Raider.
Just make sure we dont hire any young wannabee who is using Al for a springboard
November 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Richoschit…
the last thing i need is to be pestered by a guy for whom the 2 minute drill is a sexuaal experience…
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In other words, your ignorant ass got schooled, by moi’, and you’re too timid, meek, and weak to state as such.
Yeah, I know.
You’ve so perfected that tail between leg look.
Oh..and jeez..that whinefest? That whimper? You sound like a slapped on little child who had her lollipop taken away.
“Ohhhh….I’m so upset….ohhhh…I’m so discouraged.”
Get a crying towel.
Oh..wait..you already have one.
Good boy.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Al has one gold mine and its named Nnamdi.
I say trade him for draft picks and or money for nexts year uncapped year.
Maybe trade Seymour for a second and hope with lots of picks instead of a few picks Al can let lady luck take over
November 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Ric
I would say stability but you would remind me of how ignorant I am for wanting 4-12 stability so tell Al to fire him and be done with the strong pimp hand who loves the Raiders and looks like a Raider.
Just make sure we dont hire any young wannabee who is using Al for a springboard
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lol…hey..that’s the only hope, right?
Two choices.
1. a “former” HC, who failed, shows aptitude to proudly jump when Al tells him to jump, who gets his obligatory 1-2 years. Recipe for disaster.
2. an “unknown” who, like Chuckie, is a ball of fire, who wants to show his stuff, who kicks ass, changes things around, while astutely taking on the old man to do things his way, who has a marked success before Al let’s him go for insubordination. Recipe for maybe 3 years, 4 tops.
Glimmer of hope for the fans.
then back to the hunt for the next clone.
#2 trumps #1.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
November 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
So I am the only one who thought Bruce did a great job of staying in the pocket untill the last millisecond before pulling the trigger?
Even though the results were woeful.
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Bruce showed a lot of composure. More than I expected.
Was rather humorous coming on these parts later that night, after seeing Priest and a couple of others sniveling about how “JR COULD HAVE DONE THAT” “Grab ISN’T THE ANSWER” ‘It’s NOT FatASSES fault…period!’..”JR WILL BE THE STARTER AGAIN..PERIOD.”
Funny stuff. Almost as if he was crying, while desperately trying to convince someone/anyone that he has an “in” while refusing all questions as to exactly how. (In other words, he lies)
Matters little at this point if Grab is the future or not..all that he cleared up, quite well, is that Russell is not only NOT the future, but is, in all likelihood, closer to being out of football than being a starter again in the NFL.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
What a shame we can’t draft the qb position. There a some good qbs’ in college and we have to look to the recycle bin. In all Als’ doings, he could never put into place a system for developing quarterbacks? I guess he just thought his JaMar could get it done, the team would morph around #2 and the deep threat would be Als’.
I’ll say it again, While Grads might be only 50% of what it takes to be a pro qb, he is a 100% better than Als’ #1 pick.
November 28th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
#246
You said it to the point. Kind of reminded me of a dad whos’ son just got relegated to the back-up at the high school level. All the excuses in the world without any truth.
November 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Ric
The only problem with your #2 is odds are not in Al’s favor that he will pick someone who fills all those shoes.
Not just Al but almost any owner is in the same boat.
When you get as old as me you discover the grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence.
Its an old one but it fits well in this case.
Al will do what he wants to do, nonetheless I am of the belief that Cable can get us to 8-8 if he gets a good coach or three and lets someone else call the plays.
We could do a lot worse then having him as head coach.
November 28th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Dirt nap for Al! It’s a shame that we, as fans of this great franchise, have been reduced to waiting for the death of our owner GM so the team can become competitive again. I hate to wish ill will on anyone but I pray almost every night that Al will not wake up.
November 28th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Q: Is there a common theme to the big plays allowed?
Cable: There’s a couple of miscommunications. More than anything, we’re a man team, play press coverage, and we didn’t really play them up real tight. The runs, really, were empty gaps, people not defending the gap properly. But just too many of them. That’s really the tale of the game defensively.
I personally believe that Thomas Howard’s IQ + Kirk Morrison’s IQ combined, is less than every single QB in the NFL. You can’t win with dumb players as your starters. Ever since those 2 have been the starters, the defense has been getting GASHED. I say we gas ‘em both. Seriously. I saw them in a video one day at a grade school, involved in an impromptu version of “Are you smarter than a 5th grader?”. Those 2 idiots could not spell simple english words. They did not know the meaning of other words that a 5th grader would know. Frankly, they were stomped by the 5th graders.
Now, everytime I see the defense get stomped like they did on Thursday, I reminds me of Morrison & Howard getting stomped by those 5th graders. Is it really any wonder that the defense gets GASHED every game because “people” are in the wrong gap? They practice all f*ing week, & STILL aren’t sure of their assignments. Meanwhile, opposings OCs know exactly how to exploit their lack of intellect.
“…The runs, really, were empty gaps, people not defending the gap properly…” In other words “Our LBs are NOT as smart as a 5th grader…”
“empty gaps” lol, just like the space between their ears
November 28th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
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November 29th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Here’s what is amazing to me… The Raiders are 3-8, in another coach-threatening downward spiral, exhibiting the same excruciatingly painful traits they have for the past 7 years and there are 252 posts on this blog.
Raider Nation is a passionate bunch of great fans that frankly, aren’t fully appreciated by Al Davis or the rest of the team’s management.
In my view, the Raiders’ #1 priority should be to bring in an experienced GM who can provide the necessary stability, foresight and most importantly, remove Davis from the day to day running of this team. Why is Holmgren talking to the Browns!? Davis should be up his ass like a bad rash…
Keep the faith guys – if you’ve stuck around this long you might as well see how the movie ends….
November 29th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
DIRTY;
In my mind you are spot on. It is true that we have the worst linebackers in the league BY FAR. Morrison and Howard cannot play PERIOD! You hardly ever hear their names called in regard to making tackles. Every now and then they get lucky, but generally they suck big time; and I mean BIG TIME. Guys, watch film of these hapless turds and see for yourself, when it comes to the big plays Cable talks about. The coaching staff and Al Davis, or whoever is the retard making important decisions is insistent on this stupid ass man to man defense crap. Read what Dallas coach Phillips said about it. My God, it is so freaking obvious that IT DOESN’T FREAKIN WORK!!! Man to man is toooooo predictable to scheme against for an opposing offense. The darn opposing coach said it outright.
F this pathetic franchise. They do not deserve you guys as fans. Al Davis is truly someone who is mentally unstable, and i’m sick of caring about this garbage of an organization that can’t even compete.
The glory years were nice, but they are LOOOOOONG GONE, and we have no hope whatsoever of ever being a team that matters as long as that mental case is running things.
Somebody please e-mail me if Oakland ever beats San Diego again. I hope I can live that long to see it.
PATHETIC!!!
November 30th, 2009 at 4:20 am
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November 30th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Where’s the hope? I’m a big Manchester United fan – they win everything! But I follow the Raiders more because they’re more interesting…and in the NFL it changes all the time, who’s at the top. In 3 years we could win a super bowl for all we know..
November 30th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I think actually rooting for the Texans atm must be a lot harder, they are hoping for playoffs and they had a great start and now they’ve had 3 straight losses. It wasn’t even as if they sucked against the Colts, they just aren’t elite enough to take down Peyton
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