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Raiders live chat set for Tuesday at noon

Here’s your chance to find out the latest on the Oakland Raiders during our live chat with “Inside the Raiders” blogger Jerry McDonald here on Tuesday, Dec. 1 at noon PST.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    # Raider75 Says:
    November 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm

    # jhill Says:
    November 30th, 2009 at 8:57 pm

    “I don’t really see any change whatsoever. He’s working, doing what he’s asked to do. He’s preparing like normal. So I wouldn’t say there was any change or anything I’ve noticed.”

    ——————————————————-

    Man, you guys are sharks in the water with this Russell kid.

    So the issue is he shouldn’t be working?

    He shouldn’t be doing what he’s asked to do?

    He shouldn’t be preparing like normal?

    LMFAO!
    …………

    You have to read between the lines.

    I don’t really see any change whatsoever = no improvement

    He’s working, doing what he’s asked to do. = He’s only doing the minimal amount of work.

    He’s preparing like normal = Still doing the same crap that got him benched

    So I wouldn’t say there was any change or anything I’ve noticed. = He still sucks and if he has put in extra work, I haven’t noticed it. He certainly hasn’t done anything to change the fact that Gradkowski is my starter.

    You need to learn Media-Speak

  • islandraider

    islandraider Says:
    November 30th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
    jhill Says:
    November 30th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
    “I don’t really see any change whatsoever. He’s working, doing what he’s asked to do. He’s preparing like normal. So I wouldn’t say there was any change or anything I’ve noticed.”

    ——————————————————-

    Man, you guys are sharks in the water with this Russell kid.

    So the issue is he shouldn’t be working?

    He shouldn’t be doing what he’s asked to do?

    He shouldn’t be preparing like normal?

    LMFAO!
    ====================================================
    Problem is, nothing is normal in Oakland. If they expect to compete, they’ve got to go beyond normal. Cable was clear in his remarks. What he wanted to say was: Since Russell was benched, he’s gone into hyper-drive over-time to get better. He hasn’t left the campus. He working, studying, preparing 24/7 because he knows that is what the Raiders are going to need from him.
    But Cable didn’t say that.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Jerry, do you think you’ll take any questions about Al Davis’ competency

  • NorthernD

    JHill,
    Clearly he hasn’t been working hard enough. If he was successful in the past, then keep on doing what works, but he hasn’t been successful. He has been awful. Putting in the “regular” hours is simply not good enough. Other players in the league realize there is a limited window of opportunity in the NFL, JaMarcus hasn’t realized that yet.
    Gradkowski is working hard because he knows this is it for him. He either works hard and makes something of this chance to start, or else he will be stuck as a lifetime back-up.
    JaMarcus is on a sinking ship. Working with a sense of urgency should be required.

  • jhill

    Ohhhh, ok, lol!

    Reading between the lines, huh?

    You don’t think that Cable, Hackett, and Tollner have spelled out what Russell should be doing? You don’t think they’ve asked him to do those things?

    You think that they are just sitting back hoping that he figures things out on his own?

    LMFAO!

    Well shame on Cable and staff! If a guy is willing to do all you ask him to do, and is willing to work, why not turn up the notches on “Normal”? Why not ask the guy to come in from 6am to 6pm? And if you tell me they shouldn’t have to, then I’ll say what the hell are the coaches supposed to be doing on this team?

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    The Raiders are so dysfunctional that year after year their players can’t even get lined up properly.

  • jhill

    Northern D,

    What’s clear to me is that the WRs we have can’t get open. They are a foot or 5 from getting it all together as Cable says, but right now, and all season, they’ve been awful.

    Did you see the 20 yds we had at halftime?

    The 45 yds through 3 qtrs?

    Thank GOD Dallas decided to go into prevent mode.

    Gradkowski anb all his fire and endless work look the same, and in some cases worse than Russell.

    And to be clear, I think Frye should be starting with Russell as the backup with these WRs. You need a bigger arm out there than Gradkowski has.

  • jhill

    And once we get down and the running game is not a factor, this Oline CAN NOT pass block.

    Bad Oline, terrible WRs, and no threat of a running game = Terrible QB.

  • NorthernD

    The NFL sets limits to how much time is mandatory practice, scrimmages, etc. The coaches can’t tell a player to work 16 hours a day for 52 weeks.
    That’s why they have O.T.A.’s.
    There is nothing to stop a player from coming in “voluntarily” to improve his game, though.
    Peyton Manning has been in the same system for 12 years now, with a lot of veteran players, yet he probably puts in a lot more extra time than JaMarcus.
    The one thing that set Donovan McNabb apart form the four other first round QB’s in his draft class was that he worked so hard at it.
    Hard work pays. Too bad that’s never been a Raider motto.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Sources who were part of the team say that in the late 1980s and early ’90s Davis ordered Raiders coaches to limit Allen’s playing time, often in favor of far less effective runners. Steve Smith and others say that Davis sometimes ordered that quarterbacks not throw the ball to Allen. “The other players had heard so much about this ‘family’ thing, but then we saw what happened to Marcus,” says Ronnie Lott, who played safety for the Raiders in 1991 and ’92. “All of a sudden, the guy who was Mr. Raider wasn’t part of the family. We wondered, How can you not play your best player?”

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    “If you don’t do what he says to do, when he says to do it, you’re on the s—list,” Steve Smith says. Tight end Jamie Williams, who spent 1994, the last of his 12 NFL seasons, with the Raiders, likens Davis to an “evil emperor. There’s no one to challenge him because he’s surrounded by yes-men.”

  • NorthernD

    JHill,
    I also think Frye should be starting. It was pretty much a coin flip as to who was going to be the 2nd or 3rd QB breaking camp.
    Yes the WR are out to lunch at times. But the QB also has to make sure they run the proper routes, come back to the ball, etc.
    That’s also where the extra practice time helps. The QB and receivers pick the on the details which help them connect on more passes.
    The is an old army expression, ” Sweat in peacetime, so you don’t bleed in wartime.”

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Davis favors players whose most striking attribute is raw speed and obscure players whom he has discovered. Three examples are tight end Andrew Glover, a Raiders starter the past two seasons who caught only 10 passes as a senior at Grambling; defensive back Dan Land, a converted running back with excellent speed: and defensive back James Trapp, who won the NFL’s Fastest Man competition in 1995.
    “Teams would watch our waiver wire,” five-time Pro Bowl wideout Tim Brown said last summer, “because the word around the league was that the Raiders were going to release football players and keep the guys Al likes.”

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    “You can say ‘problem players’ all you want, but that’s a lot of bull,” says safety Patrick Bates, a 1993 first-round draft choice who sat out all of last season because of his distaste for the Raiders’ organization and was traded to the Atlanta Falcons in April. “Somebody has to say, ‘I’m going to step up and discipline this team.’ “

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    This one’s for you NorthernD

    Nonetheless, in what has become an annual rite of spring, optimism abounds in Raiderland. Last year hopes were buoyed by the hiring of Mike White as coach and the switch to an offensive scheme featuring short timing patterns. This spring a draft-day deal that landed Ohio State tight end Rickey Dudley and the signing of two big-name free agents—defensive tackle Russell Maryland and cornerback Larry Brown, both former Dallas Cowboys—have allowed Oakland to put a happy spin on 1996.

  • NorthernD

    KoolKell,
    I’ve been banging my head against wall for so long now I’ve got calluses on my forehead.
    Being a Raider fan is like being in limbo.
    Every year there is a new glimmer of hope. They re-signed Asomugha and Lechler. Great moves.
    Then they get to the draft and reach for DHB and Mitchell. Back to square one.
    I think we all know who has to leave the organization before anything changes, but we just have to sit on hands until then.
    I hear Cuba has some great beaches, but nothing will change there until Castro is gone from the picture.

  • jhill

    But the QB also has to make sure they run the proper routes, come back to the ball, etc.

    ——————————————————-

    Really?

    I thought that was the position coaches job? And the HC on OCs job?

    They spend HOURS, EVERY DAY working on this stuff. Cable as much as told you that the WRs are not where they are supposed to be. STILL!

    Grads is one of the most accurate passers to come out of college. Or so I’ve been told. Did you see how badly he was missing the WRs the past 2 weeks?

    Like I’ve been saying, we run a TIMIMG offense, and the WRs not being where they are supposed to be makes the QB look really bad.

  • NorthernD

    Gradkowski had better make sure the WR’s run the proper routes, or else he’s out of a very high paying job.
    I’m sure he’ll be all over the WR’s when they get sloppy. I don’t think he’ll leave it to Sanjay Lal to make the correction.
    He’s from the Pittsburgh school of quarterbacking. His dad is friends with Dan Marino’s dad.
    Can you picture Dan Marino letting a receiver mess up a route, and say “that’s okay, the WR coach will deal with it. That’s not my problem.”
    Manning knows everyone’s assignment on each play. He knows when a guard messes up, let alone a WR.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    # KoolKell Says:
    November 30th, 2009 at 9:37 pm

    “You can say ‘problem players’ all you want, but that’s a lot of bull,” says safety Patrick Bates, a 1993 first-round draft choice who sat out all of last season because of his distaste for the Raiders’ organization and was traded to the Atlanta Falcons in April. “Somebody has to say, ‘I’m going to step up and discipline this team.’ “
    …………..
    Patrick James Bates (born November 27, 1970 in Galveston, Texas) is a former safety in the National Football League. He was drafted in the 1st round of the 1993 NFL Draft by the Los Angeles Raiders and later played for the Atlanta Falcons.

    After several off-field mishaps, he never realized his full potential, which is why ESPN named him the 37th of the top 50 busts in NFL draft history

    …………..

    This guy had the nerve to talk about someone being disciplined?

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

    But it just proves how f’d Al is when it comes to drafting.

    Russell will be on the list soon.

  • NorthernD

    JaMarcus can afford to be sloppy and slothful in his approach to the game.
    The simple truth is that he never has to work another day in his life. He can sit at home in his mansion, and play video games ALL DAY, EVERY DAY FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
    Gradkowski is just delaying his entry into the real world. He’ll have to get a real job after his playing days are done.
    I don’t think he’ll be working at BK or McDonald’s, but he’ll still have to get up every day, report to some boss he doesn’t like, and do something that has never been a dream of his.
    He’s got one shot to change that. He’s got one shot at fulfilling that lifetime dream and becoming a starter in the NFL.
    Do you really think that he’s not going to try to get the WR’s to work as hard as he does? Or that he’ll let those little details slide because someone else is supposed to cover it?
    A life’s work comes down to this one season for him. 7 weeks.

  • VanHeathen

    JaMarcus can only control the things he’s in charge of, and that thing is HIMSELF.
    This means, extra work in the film room, weight room, etc. Coming in overweight is a serious issue, yet that’s what he did. Arriving late, and leaving early, are isues w/ the team leader. Partying on Friday nite before a game, these are problems for a player who is still developing at this level, but i guess these are all OK for the worst QB in the league…He could be so much more, even on this team.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    I wish I could slap the sh*t out of Rush Limbaugh and Nancy Pelosi.

  • priesttj

    Young players take time to develope on every team nt just this one. Huff is paying dividends. IMO so will these high picks it’s just a matter of time. Alex Smith is finally showing some maturity for the 49ers. So is their TE who was a huge disappointment. You can go all over the league and see the same things. As good Troy Palamulo(spelling?) is now his first 2 years he was a huge disappointment.

    It’s just the way the league is, it is a very high level and young players take time to get used to the speed of the game. Nnamdi is a perfect example. Rich Gannon is a perfect example he bounced around the league for 8 years. It’s not the players that are at fault it’s the way the league pays HUGE $$$ to an unproven player. The NBA does it right they have a rookie cap and it hepls them invest bigger contracts on solid talent. Monte Ellis finally got paid and now loook at him. Same with Anthony Randolph and Step Curry under caps until they learn the game. It’s the right way to do business.

    Russell’s contract is not Russell’s fault it’s the league in retrospect Russell would’ve been much better off to sit for his 1st 2 years and understand what the NFL is all about. But the HUGE money forces an immature unprepared young man into a role he is in no way ready to fill. Then he takes all the criticism.

    Ken Stabler sat for 5 seasons and still took a year to get his game together. If Russell had half that time we might well have a very different opinion of the young. I was very impressed with 3 yong QB’s who are finally starting to see the light. Alex Smith, Vince Young and Matt Leinert they’ve been in the league and had to sit a year after starting and it has paid very nice dividends. Maybe Russell needs the same opportunity.

  • Kirk

    “Teams would watch our waiver wire,” five-time Pro Bowl wideout Tim Brown said last summer, “because the word around the league was that the Raiders were going to release football players and keep the guys Al likes.”

    Sheesh, that’s it in a nutshell!

    Did anyone else enjoy the Saints slapping the sh*t out of the Bellicheats?

    I loved it.

  • armond

    you know priest these guys just dont like russell and never will. u remember all the fried chicken and barbeque and gumbo insults these fools were sayin when we drafted him. his struggles just bring out whats already been there. young guys develope at their own pace regardless of the money and what we want. the rules of the game dont change just cuz the money does. thats life.

  • priesttj

    Even Tom Brady needs time to be effective. He threw picks that are very unlike the future HOFer. But that’s what happens when you pressure any QB.

  • Kirk

    That’s why it is important to blitz. We really are the dumbest team in football.

  • priesttj

    Armond, you right but I’m through arguing with a bunch of hatemongers. Russell is so very young that he needed a lot more time to develope than I anticipated. This benching is for his own good and the Raiders arw trying to salvage him by letting him sit and get the crowd off his back. The Titans were able to give Vince some sorely needed time away from the pressure and allow him to see the game differently. Sometimes when that happens your own issues become very clear and you now can approach things properly.

  • priesttj

    It worked very well for Michael Huff.

  • priesttj

    See what I mean Kirk thinks all you have to do is blitz and that solves your defense. they don’t understand that blitzing exposes a defense not the other way around. We don’t have the type of players that are great blitzers well we didn’t until lately.

    They believe we never blitzed before now. Our histroy is we blitz but we blitz great players that can get there. Like Ted Hendricks and those great players we had back then. Kirk Morrison and T Hqward tend to not get there and then you’re over exposed. But fans will be fans.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    Priest…

    Are you saying if I think Russell sucks and will never be an NFL QB that its because he’s African-American?

  • armond

    bottom line is russell needs to grow up, cable should get fired and al davis needs to get football people in here to clean this mess up. last but not least these players need to understand what theyve become in the league. unfortunately some of these guys they are what they are and have to go. ive seen enuff of kelly morrison carlisle warren etc to know we need to upgrade these positions. morrison isnt a very skilled lb period. hes decent at best and would benefit playin with a dominant lb core than to headline a group himself. kelly doesnt make enuff game changing plays and our right side oline isnt physical or talented enuff to win 1 on 1 matchups to win. bottomline we need a makeover with physical players. we also need some GRADE A AZZHOLES who will bend the rules even when we dont need to. the mentality on this team is too soft to win which is another reason we arent a good come from behind team. thats why i like brandon spikes, dude is an ornery heffa.

  • priesttj

    75, what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about that?

    Armond, I’ll take Spikes and several others I wont mention right now. But we get a chance to draft a great player and this time we need an immediate impact player. Spikes qualifies IMO.

  • armond

    watchin VY on sunday made me smile the whole time on his drive cuz it was like watchin him in college again. he had the same cool quiet swagger at texas and just like the rose bowl he came thru. i was even happier to see that he won that game with his arm which is what people said he couldnt do. he was a qb not some rinky dink wildcat scrambler people sayin he was. it made me think that could be russell next year if he and the raiders get their act 2gether.

  • NorthernD

    Perhaps sitting on the bench will work for JaMarcus.
    The reason why people get so upset with him is that he lacks the traits that the rest of us are forced to have.
    JaMarcus has as much, or more physical talent than anyone in, well, the world. But he lacks the focus and motivation to get the job done. I think he would catch a lot less hatred if he at least tried harder, or gave the impression of trying. Most people will never know what it’s like to flick a football 70 yards, but most people do know about having to get up early, stay late, work extra hours. We do it because we have to.

  • priesttj

    It could very well be Russell. People were saying the same things about Alex Smith and Matt Leinert.

    It takes 5 years to learn that position, not to say their aren’t misses but when you have a talent like Russell you better make damn sure before you give up on him. The short time he’s played in this league is nothing in terms of determining what type of player he will eventually be. All the hatemongers look at preripheral things that have nothing to do and then they exagerate everything.

  • priesttj

    NorthenD, you have no idea what he does all you know is what you read. So stop talking in absolutes.

    Russell is young and immature………period.

  • armond

    priest i hate 2 say but we really blew it on dhb this year. i root for him but he was more of a luxury than dmc. dmc and russ were at the top of their conference dhb wasnt. we had so many directions on oline and lb, cushing wouldve been PERFECT!!! then we would only need mlb next year. i can name a bunch of wr coming out next year better than dhb. briscoe kansas /bryant ok st. /damain williams usc /lafelle lsu /tate and floyd notre dame / gilyard cinci / shipley texas top of my head.

  • NorthernD

    There’s know way Davis has pulled the plug on Russell yet. He’s probably penciled in as next year’s opening day starter.
    But maybe that’s part of the problem as well. He’s knows he’s going to get another shot. He’s got too much talent to let walk away.
    Matt Leinert was also a guy who was not a great worker. He has the reputation of being a hollywood party boy. That may have delayed his progress as well.

  • NorthernD

    priesttj Says:
    November 30th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
    NorthenD, you have no idea what he does all you know is what you read. So stop talking in absolutes.

    Russell is young and immature………period.
    =====================================================
    Saying “Russell is young and immature…….period.”, now that’s talking in absolutes!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    priesttj Says:
    November 30th, 2009 at 11:31 pm

    75, what the hell are you talking about? who said anything about that?
    ……….

    Oh, sorry dude. It was Armond making reference to fried chicken jokes.

    I was all for the Russell pick. Dude just doesn’t look the same as he did at LSU.

    He came out of LSU throwing on the run, making plays with his legs, and had a smooth throwing motion. He was having FUN!!!

    Now he stands in one place, throws off his back foot, and just looks tight. He is not having FUN.

    Some guys can handle the pressures of the NFL and some guys can’t.

  • armond

    i think we might draft another wr next year. i really like briscoe of kansas. i was hopin he wouldve come out this year but he was a sophmore. its important whatever players we get next offseason they are physical. fb has to be addressed whether oneal is healthy or not. not addressing that has hurt our running game bigtime. id prefer to go back to the big power oline than the zbs. its not about systems its about talent. everybody went on and on about the system and now they hate it. great PLAYERS make great systems. a power running system may fit dmc and bush much better anyway.

  • NorthernD

    Yes, I am basing my opinion on what I read. I don’t have access to his personal life. But those that do have said that he is not a great worker and he doesn’t put the time in. I know hearsay evidence is not acceptable in court, but this is just a blog.

  • armond

    75 i was pointing out whoever said the stuff i mentioned. they know who they are and thats that. u are right about him not looking the same and part of it is his fault and the rest is the organization. my point was that there are people on here who never have and never will like the dude and made it clear thru racist comments. i dont know why people act like that doesnt exist just cuz some people in here dont let that affect their decision about him.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Congratulations New Orleans, hitting that 11-0 mark. 4 years and 3 months ago, New Orlean’s poorest citizens huddled into that very same venue to shelter themselves from the biggest storm to hit the country in recent memory, many, perhaps most of them, being women and children, watched the storm rip parts of the ceiling right off of the dome, as they sat there helpless and horrified. And, that would only be the beginning of a week long hell, caused partly by natural disaster, partly by poverty, partly by the state and federal government’s failure to serve it’s soul purpose, to protect citizens from disaster when they are unable to protect themselves, and perhaps even by a faulty levee built at grade, or even worse, by builders who didn’t find it feasible to exhaust resources protecting wards that would only occupy former slaves and their descendants.

    I wonder if it crossed Steve Young’s Brigham Young prepped, Carmen Policy San Fran Niner seasoned brain, the shear hell on earth that took place amongst those funky, multi colored seats behind him just 4 years ago as he ran down his review of tonight’s game. I know Mike Tirico thought about it. Perhaps Jaws and Chucky, too, if for only a moment.

    Tonight’s game was a statement. Don’t kid yourself. A little running up the score, Belichick style, was Sean Payton’s way of letting the NFL know that they’d better get used to a new dynasty. The Aints are a thing of the past. The Saints, are marching in. Snatching up FAs like McKenzie has shades of the kind of FA netting that Dallas, SF, and GB used to do late season when the league belonged to them a decade ago.

    Raider fans need not waste their time or mere daydreams finding comparisons between “Mr. Davis’s baby” and what you’re seeing in “Norlins” right now. They are two different universes, football speaking, and the Raiders are not just a draft pick or head coach away from getting there. It’s really almost like comparing hell to heaven. There’s no more astute way to put it. Hell to heaven. The closest the Raiders’ have come to experiencing such a rejuvenation in recent memory was probably the overtime victory vs. the Niners in ’00. In short, the Raiders become what the Saints are today when hell freezes over. And I mean that literally.

  • armond

    if we are going to suck the rest of the year i just would atleast like to be in a position to get suh from nebraska next year. now thats who we want playin next to seymour. price from ucla is a good one too.

  • priesttj

    I say he is young and immature because I know it. I’m not reading it, I’ve seen it. I’ve raised 3 children and gthey all degrees and are doing well but like me they went through some very serious problems due to immaturity. Russell is no different he’s just rich.

    Armond, DHB IMO wouldn’t have been drafted in the 1st rnd. Brian Cushing is the guy I wanted all along and we could’ve drafted Rey-Rey in the 2nd rnd. Jut think if we had traded down and dracted Chris Johnson and then got and OT instead of DMC. Not that I don’t like DMC. But I would trade him straight up fro CJ right now.

    I like what we did in late rnds but I would never have drafted DHB that high.

  • priesttj

    Armond, Suh and some others are very good prospects but we have to see what we do in FA 1st before we start deciding what we should do in the draft.

    We did very well IMO in this draft it’s just with DHB the results be slow to realize. I do believe DHB is going to be an outstanding talent but we have to be very patient he is just now learning the position. But he is a phenomal talent that just needs time to develope.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw Raider75

    I remember when I was younger and before every season I would pick the Raiders to win the Super Bowl because I really believed any year could be their year.

    Those were the days.

  • armond

    priest the reason i say suh is cuz i dont see any dt in fa that may be that good at the nfl level as he is in college. then again we didnt think seymour was available either. ofcourse id take cj for dmc now but my point was dhb was much more of luxury especially without the production of dmc. i have my doubts about dhb for me to be patient but i will. he is too much of a project when we needed help now and the future. i dont see him being better than harvin anytime soon or close to him. i also felt like there are too many wrs next year to pick from that would be better than him even if he stayed in college.