Raiders put hurt on Big Ben on ‘06
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, December 2nd, 2009 at 4:11 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Ben Roethlisberger knew the question about his last game against the Raiders was coming and he was ready.
“Yeah, I played a great game. I remember,” Roethlisberger said before bursting into laughter.
It was Oct. 29, 2006, Roethlisberger was coming off a concussion, and he threw four interceptions in a 20-13 loss to the Raiders at the Coliseum.
Not only did Roethlisberger get picked four times, but two of his passes accounted for the Raiders’ only two touchdowns, a 24-yard interception return by Nnamdi Asomugha and a 100-yard return by Chris Carr. Carr’s interception gave the Raiders a 20-6 lead with 9:32 to go, with Roethlisberger throwing a 25-yard scoring pass to Willie Parker for the game’s lone offensive touchdown with 7:32 remaining.
Kirk Morrison and Fabian Washington had Oakland’s other interceptions as the Raiders won for the second week in a row and for the final time in 2006, finishing the season with nine straight defeats as Art Shell’s second tour of duty as Raiders head coach lasted a single season.
There was talk afterward whether Roethlisberger should even have played, given his concussion the previous week which came after an offseason motorcycle accident that left him with a head injury.
“I know you’re going to ask me, `Did it have anything to do with that?,’ ” Roethlisberger said. “I felt good. I felt clear. I wouldn’t have gone out there, the doctors wouldn’t hae let me. They were cautious, especially after my accident that involved my head . . . it was just a bad game, to tell you the truth.”
Roethlisberger finished 27-for-41 for 301 yards with the one touchdown and four interceptions. The Raiders won despite being outgained 360-98 and going 1-for-11 in third down conversions.
Fast forward to 2009, and Roethlisberger will be back in the starting lineup after taking a week off because of a concussion. He said he’s taking the Raiders seriously, and not just because of what happened in the previous meeting.
“I don’t anybody in here, especially me, is taking taking this game or this team lightly, especially with the defense and that secondary,” Roethlisberger said. “There’s no way you can. They very easily can make you throw or five interceptions against them because they’re that good.”
Roethlisberger said he watched the Dallas game and couldn’t believe the Cowboys had gained 494 yards (384 of which came on 10 plays).
Asomugha fondly remembers beating the Steelers in a home game in October but realizes it will have little to do with taking them on at Heinz Field in December.
“We gave them a few different looks and did a couple of things we hadn’t done the first few games,” Asomugha said. “It helped us a lot and we were able to get after them. Going into this game, we’re playing at their spot, and it’s December, it’s not California. I think there’s more pressure on us in this game than there was on ‘06.”
More news, notes and quotes:
– The Steelers have had three head coaches since 1969 _ Chuck Noll, Bill Cowher and Mike Tomlin. Tight end Zach Miller has had three head coaches and he’s in his third season, so he can be forgiven if he sounds a little envious of Pittsburgh’s continuity.
“You look around the league and you see coaches that have been there for awhile with that kind of stability,” Miller said. “ It helps to improve, especially offensively, with the same system. Guys who have been in the same system three, four or five years, know all the ins and outs and you can be really detailed as an offense. Even putting in new offenses and tweaking them to a different coach, it takes awhile to learn that.”
– Raiders coach Tom Cable said he thinks the coaching staff has been receptive to suggestions like those of Asomugha for more variety in terms of scheme.
“I think we do,” Cable said. “We mix it up probably more as we have in the past in term’s of Nnamdi’s point of coverage, basically.”
Asomugha has occasionally, although not often, shadowed wide receivers and once in awhile a tight end.
– The Steelers will come at the Raiders with a variety of blitzes out of a 3-4 defense unlike anything they’ve seen, and left tackle Mario Henderson understands he’s got his hands full (in a legal, non-penalty sort of way, of course).
“They bring a lot of pressure, a lot of blitz, just come from everywhere and pretty much wreak havoc,” Henderson said. “Anywhere there’s green grass, they’re comign from. They’ll bring everybody, corners, safeties, coaches . . . they’ll bring anybody, man.”
Most often, they’ll bring right outside linebacker and reigning defensive player of the year James Harrison, who leads the Steelers with 10 sacks and will be a focal point for Henderson a week and a few days after taking on DeMarcus Ware of Dallas.
Cable, long a fan of those who do the grunt work, pointed to Pittsburgh nose tackle Casey Hampton (6-foot-1, 325 pounds) as a key player in the Steelers scheme.
“The nose guard is a real key to it,” Cable said. “He’s kind of in the Kris Jenkins mode, clogs a lot of things up, gets off blocks, makes plays. You have two terrific outside linebackers (Harrison, Lemarr Woodley), two inside linebackers (James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons) and a pair of ends (Travis Kirschke, Brett Keisel) who just do their jobs.”
– Hines Ward is to wide receivers what Steelers defensive back Troy Polamalu is to safeties. He’s a player to be respected, perhaps feared. He’s the one wide receiver who makes defensive backs keep their head on a swivel, rather than the other way around.
“I don’t think I’ve seen another receiver that appraoches thew ay he does as far as being physical every snap, blocking and running down, hitting guys,” Asomugha said. “You think the receiver position is kind of the prima donna position where guys don’t want to get hurt, don’t want to mix it up.
“He’s going to come down, he’s going to crack on linebackers and try to get big blowup shots and he;s not going to let you go if he’s blocking you. He’s going to go full speed, 100 percent, the whole time. They call him the dirtiest player in the league. He’s done some stuff that, on film, some head-scratching stuff, so we know to keep our eyes going when we have him.”
– If Steelers’ coach Mike Tomlin’s post-loss promise Sunday night to “unleash hell” in December sounded familiar, then you’ve seen the Academy Award winner in 2000 for best picture.
“Actually, I watched my favorite movie, Gladiator, the night before the game at the hotel,” Tomlin told Bay Area reporters by conference call. “It just came to mind _ Russell Crowe-inspired.”
General Maximus, played by Crowe, said, “At my signal, unleash hell,” before his army defeated the barbarian hordes.
– The only Raiders that didn’t practice were defensive end Greg Ellis (knee) and wide receiver/Nick Miller. Cable said Ellis is “doing much better and he’s improved” after sitting out much of the Cowboys game with swelling in his knee. Running back Justin Fargas (stinger) and linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba (knee) both practiced without limitations.
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December 2nd, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Repost:
texguy Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
You proved in one hour that you are a bigot, a racist and a Raider hating fool.
Truth is many, many, many posters over the years have exposed you over the past 4 years that I know of, so its nothing.
Exposing you for the fool you are has become old and boring.
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Isn’t it funny how whenever someone shows MR for what he really is, he goes away?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Nnamdi Asomugha Said:
Maybe you go back and you think about what we’re doing and think about ways to fix it. Sean Payton said, I was telling my coach earlier, Sean Payton said before the game against the Patriots. He was asked ‘Why is your defense so great?’ ‘What we did during the offseason is we studied the top defenses and we pulled from each of those defenses and it allows us to be multiple and it allows us to do the things that are working in the league today, the things that have been working the past few years.’ The game changes, the game is never going to be the same as it was 10 years ago or five years ago with the rule changes and things like that. You have to be able to adapt. But it is what it is.”
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Breaking News:
The Oakland Raiders have announced that Justin Fargas will now start at CB over Nnamdi Asomugha.
More on this story at 10.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Great stuff:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvKgj_EjUDw
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:21 pm
LETS GO RAIDERS
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
“They bring a lot of pressure, a lot of blitz, just come from everywhere and pretty much wreak havoc,” Henderson said. “Anywhere there’s green grass, they’re comign from. They’ll bring everybody, corners, safeties, coaches . . . they’ll bring anybody, man.”
Hahaha. They’ll send coaches, thats hella funny. Can we send Tom Cable? I’ve heard hes got a mean left hook. Can was just Kamikaze Al Davis towards their QB?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Hey numbnuts
Who said I ddnt like this blog?
……………..
Didn’t you call it ragonraiders, or something like that? Insinuating that this blog is designed to bash the Raiders? Doesnt’ sound endearing. Either way, you don’t know what you’re talking about, as usual. This blog is pretty objective when it comes to everything Raiders and Al. Jerry takes mercy on you Davis loyalists. He shouldn’t.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
The Polish Pop-gun mightn’t last out this one on Sunday. Better start revving up the Bayou Big Man.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I meant…Can we just Kamikaze Al Davis…
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
# Crow Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Sounds like Nnamdi signed that “message to Al” petition.
………..
Direct hit.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 pm
That was Ben’s first game back from injury. That may have something to do with all of those picks and Raider win as well. Oh snap, he is coming off injury again. BLITZ HIS AZZ.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Uh Uhh, Nnamdi is speaking ‘truths’,
is he going to get the Marcus Allen treatment now?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
# texguy Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:00 pm
You proved in one hour that you are a bigot, a racist and a Raider hating fool.
Truth is many, many, many posters over the years have exposed you over the past 4 years that I know of, so its nothing.
Exposing you for the fool you are has become old and boring.
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Isn’t it funny how whenever someone shows MR for what he really is, he goes away?
…………….
Isn’t it funny how only the Davis worshipers claim victory when someone who’s handed them their own a ss leaves their computer for a while?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:51 pm
The Oakland Retards are just too easy for opposing coaches to pick apart.
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Very true, what is the first thing defenses (and offenses) do when they are getting smacked around on the field? They simplfy schemes. This team can’t stop the run on first and second down. Most teams that have multiple schemes force offenses into 3rd and medium or 3rd and long situations and then get creative. This is a classroom problem as much as it is a scheme problem. Take the Saints/Pats game. Even the commentators made a comment on how much man defense the Saints were using. In todays NFL it is harder to run single high cover 1 type defenses but it is not impossible if you have the players. On paper we have the DB’s to do that, but the main problem is that this team is and has been getting blown up because of communication problems (pc way of saying no one knows what the f@@k they are doing on the field because they didn’t pay attention in class or the coaches didn’t teach it consistently.)
What makes me mad is that they are running the same type of defense over and over. They should be prepared for what teams throw at them. What Dallas did was the same as what Denver did earlier in the season. Nnamdi is making an excuse for his team that they are being out coached on the field. I think they are being outworked in the classroom.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
These guys are unreal! You leave your computer, because you have a life, and they accuse you of running from them, and claim victory in an argument with you. How pathetic are these guys?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:30 pm
MR,
Everyone knows what you are, there is no point in denying it with lame comebacks.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
TexGuy, you said that I fled the blog because I was exposed. I’m back. What’s your theory now, dumbass?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha said. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations. And teams know that, so communication can break down sometimes, just because we’ll see what other teams in the league won’t see, because of the nature of our defense, so it doesn’t matter what week it is.
“That stuff can happen in Week 16 if you’re not adjusting and you’re not adapting to who you’re playing against.”
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Then, Jerry McDonald insists playcalling is irrelevant.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
These guys are unreal! You leave your computer, because you have a life, and they accuse you of running from them, and claim victory in an argument with you. How pathetic are these guys?
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Isn’t that what you do to people every day?
Guess who the pathetic one really is….? You.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
VanH,
MAllen isn’t one-third the human being Asomugha is. Allen was just another spoiled American athlete. Nnamdi addresses global councils on a variety of issues. Not the same class of individual so not necessarily the same treatment.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Basically you refused to respond to Plunketthead and fled. Once a new blog was posted, you came back.
Like a new lease of life huh? If it happened last blog its like it never happened at all.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Dakota
did you see this article?
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Ron-Artest-admits-he-used-to-drink-Hennessy-at-h?urn=nba,206187
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
VanHeathen Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Uh Uhh, Nnamdi is speaking ‘truths’,
is he going to get the Marcus Allen treatment now?”
I agree with M Lonetree, Nnamdi and Marcus are 2 completely different types of people. Timmy Brown used to speak up all the time in the media, even at one time claiming that he would start calling his own plays in the huddle. Tim never landed in the Doghouse that I recall…
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Hey MR.
I don’t hate you man. I actually like about half of your posts. Some are really funny. But others are ignorant and idiotic.
I am going home from work now. Have fun with saying that you owned me.
P.S. Don’t pretend that you have a life. This blog is your life. You are on here 24 hours a day. Go out and have some fun once in a while or you will have a stroke.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
RaiderDogg,
hope you had an enjoyable holiday (disregarding the football match).
I was told here that the feast I made for the matriarch’s b’day was the best I’ve ever came up with.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
There are a handful of Steeler fans whom I have had a standing bet of a drink with for years over at the local dive, when ever we play each other.
I’m going to have to go to the ATM, Sun. morning to bring extra $$ to cover my ass this week. Could get expensive.
BUT, if we somehow sneak out of there with a W. I’ll be all effed up! (;
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
The Raiders brought in a few qb’s for a workout yesterday. Here’s the video. Leave it to the Raiders to have a football workout in a basketball gym. The kid at the end of the video does have an arm though. Sign him up.
http://www.fox8.com/videobeta/watch/?watch=7099f148-da29-4f59-90fb-0c6e30845699&src=front
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:40 pm
RaiderDogg,
hope you had an enjoyable holiday (disregarding the football match).
I was told here that the feast I made for the matriarch’s b’day was the best I’ve ever came up with.”
I knew that would be the case the moment you described the menu to me. How did she like the Don Ho photo?
My holiday was nice sprinkled with a little drama. No biggie, pretty standard in my family on the holidays. My son really liked it.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
DT42 says:
Nnamdi is making an excuse for his team that they are being out coached on the field. I think they are being outworked in the classroom.
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So you think Nnamdi is making excuses?
I think you are making excuses for Al Davis’ organization.
“You can say ‘problem players’ all you want, but that’s a lot of bull,” says safety Patrick Bates, a 1993 first-round draft choice who sat out all of last season because of his distaste for the Raiders’ organization and was traded to the Atlanta Falcons in April. “Somebody has to say, ‘I’m going to step up and discipline this team.’ ”
Only Davis has such power. He thrashes about like a twister, but he seems to be striking the wrong targets.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I have seen Nnamdi miss his share of tackles this year. Is that coaching or scheme?
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
That last question was rhetorical btw…
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:50 pm
RaiderDogg says.
Timmy Brown used to speak up all the time in the media, even at one time claiming that he would start calling his own plays in the huddle. Tim never landed in the Doghouse that I recall…
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I do. We almost lost Tim Brown to Denver.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
This one is for KoolKell. An oldie but a goodie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcL75LvK2Kk
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
KK
But that was because Tim was a free agent and HE wanted to sign with Denver, so he signed an offer sheet. Al had the right to match the offer and he did. It had NOTHING to do with Tim calling him out in the media and everything to do with keeping the Raiders best WR on the roster.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:54 pm
When we won that game in 06. I had 7 or 8 drinks in front of me, from the Steeler fan there. Half were beer, and half were shots of Patron.
Or visa, versa……(;
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Dogg
I seem to recall “independent” critical conversations from Tim Brown leading up to the Free Agency episode, no?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:01 pm
texguy Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:32 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:29 pm
These guys are unreal! You leave your computer, because you have a life, and they accuse you of running from them, and claim victory in an argument with you. How pathetic are these guys?
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Isn’t that what you do to people every day?
…………
No!
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
RaiderDogg – Great video haha.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Dogg
I seem to recall “independent” critical conversations from Tim Brown leading up to the Free Agency episode, no?”
I know Tim wasn’t happy, but it wasn’t because he was in Al’s doghouse. He was unhappy with the very same things that are happening still. At the time Tim seemed to be one of the few players in history that could get away with being critical of Al and how the organization was run.
But otherwise his contract had ended and he had become a free agent. The Raiders just waited to match the offer instead of doing the right thing, which is to lock up your star player with a long term deal before FA comes up.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
To think…what could have been…We almost had Sean Payton and you know he would have signed Brees to the Raiders at that time. Damn!
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:03 pm
24
The only reason Al reached for such a young draft pick was because of his 40 time.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:04 pm
texguy Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Basically you refused to respond to Plunketthead and fled.
………..
I came back, read Plunkett’s comment, and responded, imbecile. The first thing I do when I log on to this blog is to skim the comments I’ve missed. I try to respond to everyone that addresses me. Why would I run from any of you? You’re Davis supporters. You’re supporters of one of the most unsuccessful owners in sports today. Arguing with you guys is more like taking candy from a baby. I give more effort practicing restraint because I feel so guilty picking on retards like you, than I do running from you!
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Sean Payton, it seems believes in variety. Al Davis doesn’t.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
I just got thru reading the nam interview, what he said will have more impact than any billboard…………
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Frank YoooooooLLL Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
I just got thru reading the nam interview, what he said will have more impact than any billboard…………
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I disagree. Marcus Allen 1996:
Says Allen, who signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as a free agent in 1993, “I always felt we had the best personnel in football, but the best personnel wasn’t always on the field. We had to win a certain way or no way. Sometimes we sacrificed winning for a philosophy—or one man’s philosophy.”
Players have been saying these things for years. Fans Haven’t.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Frank Yooooool, maybe so. But Nnamdi’s comments just a day after this billboard goes up is quite significant, if not groundbreaking. Al Davis is feeling the heat from everywhere. Gannon, Marcus Allen, Sapp, now Nnamdi Asomugha. Fans would always be loyal, Al thought. It’s the one thing he thought he had going for him. His ace in the hole. Loyal fans that would support his porous management to the grave. That’s no longer the case. They just put up a huge billboard within practically a stone’s throw of the stadium his team plays in telling him they no longer believe in him or his system. It’s all crashing down on him. And it’s just. This man’s done far too much bad for a few good deeds to offset it. He’s a bad person, who’s finally getting what he had coming.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
looks like the kid from pennsylvania got his money to pay the billboard i donated 50 bucks yesterday and the total has reached 5,500 and it looks like the petition went up by a few thousand signatures.
http://www.messagetoal.com/chipin/donate/
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
KoolKell – Sean Payton’s team is also 11-0 right now. Imagine that.
2006: 10-6 – Lost to Bears in NFC Championship
2007: 7-9
2008: 8-8
2009: 11-0
This guy kind of reminds me of Jon Gruden and Brees is his Gannon. Sure, not every season has gone according to plan but they were competitive every year and there were a few tweaks and things that needed to be fine tuned and they were able to accomplish that. Together, they have created a juggernaut once that Defense finally came around. There was talk that Payton may not make it as Head Coach but at least the Owner gave the guy some time to figure it out. Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 seasons before becoming a Juggernaut.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
ULE,
He had 20,000 signatures as of a few days ago. 10k to go and he matches the average Raider game attendance. This kid’s only 22 and his movement is already almost as big as the Raider Nation itself. All those years Al put it in, for it all to come to this. LOL. I’m thinking Al’s starting to feel like, I dunno, Frank Valley?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
2 Teams can go 16-0 this season (Colts, Saints) and Chris Johnson (Titans) could possibly break Eric Dickerson’s Rushing Yardage of 2,105. His pace is just shy of that but its a possibility. Crazy if it happened ya know?
And despite those amazing feats, it would still be considered, “The Year of the Billboard”. Haha
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
It’s not Al davis fault anymore. He cannot help it he’s OLD !!!!!!!
We all have grandparents and know elderly people they cannot be told anything because they know everything. they live in the past and they are GULLABLE !!!!
HE HAS CONTROL AND THERES NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO UNTIL HE DECIDES TO STEP AWAY. IT COMES DOWN TO HIS FAMILY STEPPING UP TO HIM AND DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THIS MADNESS.
IF HE WAS MY DAD WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAD A SIT DOWN.
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND HOW HIS SON CAN WATCH THIS CRAP. AND TO HEAR HE WANT’S TO SELL 10 PERCENT OF THE FAMILIES FUTURE. I THINK HIS SON NEEDS TO GROW SOME NUTZ AND STAND UP TO HIS DAD AND RIGHT THE SHIP BY HIRING SOME COMPETENT FOOTBALL PEOPLE TO TURN THIS AROUND.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Wayne Valley?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:21 pm
24, Al’s being screwed by people who he thought were loyal to him, kind of like Wayne Valley. Do you know who Wayne Valley is?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
24
I watched the Saints the other night. They’re the best Offense I’ve seen in awhile. So aggressive in the play calling, offensively and defensively.
All the little things Brees does to manipulating the safeties, he moves the safeties around at will.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:22 pm
ULE, there’s nothing anyone can do. Al’s title of managing general partner makes him dictator. He has complete control of the team. But of course, it’s still JaMarcus Russell’s fault we’re in this mess.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
And if Mark Davis doesn’t want to step up, that’s fine. Now the fans are.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I don’t think Mark Davis has any control at all or maybe hes just a P****. Anyways, I’m sure Mark has been hit many times by Al Davis’ cain over the years and hes probably afraid of the old man. Can you imagine Al Davis and that face getting in your children’s face? Hell no. Grandpa, would you like some gum? If anything, Mark Davis is probably embarrassed of his crazy father who walks around in a space suit or is it a jump suit? Whatever. Besides, Al would probably disown his son or fire him and get a new one just like he does with his head coaches.
Son…I just don’t value you the way I value the playas. Undastand? I call the shots and you can be replaced but the playas, they win the games.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
MR – Yes…but you said Frank Valley so I chimed in with the correct name…Wayne Valley. I wasn’t very clear, sorry.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
HE HAS CONTROL AND THERES NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO UNTIL HE DECIDES TO STEP AWAY.
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And that’s what some of us are trying to do. Force that decision.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I just don’t believe Al Davis is invulnerable. Nobody is.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Maybe Mark Davis can pull a Gladiator move and take his father into his arms and simply squeeze the breath out of him.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I traveled to my first home game in oakland ( i went to quite alot in L.A. ) for the monday night game against San Diego.
i believed this year was going to be our year i made a vacation out of it spent a week in the bay area then we lost.
i will not spend one more penny on the raiders until al davis is gone. i live in the san diego area and buy the sunday ticket so i can see the games even when they are always blacked out but that is the extent of it for me. i will still watch everygame but no mor financial support from me. i would be willing to donate so that billboard can stay up YEAR ROUND UNTIL al IS GONE !!!!!!!!!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
KoolKell says I disagree. Marcus Allen 1996:
Says Allen, who signed with the Kansas City Chiefs as a free agent in 1993, “I always felt we had the best personnel in football, but the best personnel wasn’t always on the field. We had to win a certain way or no way. Sometimes we sacrificed winning for a philosophy—or one man’s philosophy.”
Players have been saying these things for years. Fans Haven’t. I have to say it was quite to the point, but one guy on a winning team means nothing compared to namdis comments amoungst other former players,, coaches, etc… including the billboard, seems to me maybe Al will at least hvae to respond dont you think?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
F. Wayne Valley (1914 – 1986) was an American businessman, philanthropist and football player. He attended Oregon State University in the 1930s, where he was a starting linebacker and fullback on the Oregon State Beavers football team, though he would ultimately graduate with a business degree from the University of Oregon.[1][2] He would later go on to a successful career in the homebuilding industry, starting his first building business in the late 1940s. His businesses were based in the East Bay city of San Leandro, California where he lived.
He and his family and later moved to Piedmont, California in the late 1960s.
He was one of the original owners of the Oakland Raiders football team, and a founding member of the American Football League. He was the managing general partner of the team until forced out of this role by current managing partner Al Davis in 1972; Valley subsequently sold his stake in 1976.[3] Along with his wife, Gladys L. Valley, they left the majority of their net worth to the Wayne and Gladys Valley Foundation, based in Oakland, California.[4]
Valley died in 1986; his wife continued to operate the Foundation until her death in 1998. The foundation is a key donor to OSU, both academically and athletically; the Valley Library and Valley Football Center at OSU are both named in their honor.[5]
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Why the hell would anyone invest in the Raiders with no recourse?
I don’t believe it.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
UP Locomotive Engineer – What area of San Diego do you live? I’ll be moving there this weekend but coming back to San Jose for a good part of December.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
24 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
UP Locomotive Engineer – What area of San Diego do you live? I’ll be moving there this weekend but coming back to San Jose for a good part of December.
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ALPINE
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Frank YoooooooLLL Says:
I have to say it was quite to the point, but one guy on a winning team means nothing compared to namdis comments amoungst other former players,, coaches, etc… including the billboard, seems to me maybe Al will at least hvae to respond dont you think?
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I think, unremitting Blackouts will have to be responded to. Which the Billboard supports.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
I’ll be in Clairemont.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:36 pm
24
Get ready to deal with these puzzy azz charger fans they make you wan’t to puke the whole city is full pf bandwagoners.
Half of the charger fans honestly do not know they have never won a super bowl.
in there minds seau won 3 and LT has won one every year he’s been in the league.
I HATE CHARGER FANS !!!!!!!!!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
My dad used to paint Wayne Valleys use a hundred years ago, before I retired from painting I used to paint the same house and Mrs Valley would always invite me in to look around knowing me and my dad were big fans, lots of huge portraits of the old raider greats alot of trophies, but nothing like Al’s house in oakland my dad said he had alot more raider stuff all over the house, I never got to see it.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I said Frank Valley? LOL. My bad. So I guess Al took the team from the four seasons, too. It was long enough ago.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I’ve driven by Al’s house in Piedmont.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Well KoolKell I think we both can agree that it will or might change once this thing hits Als pockets………not sure if it ever will……whadaya think
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
When you live in San Diego it makes your resolve to be a raider fan that much stronger.
Charger fans are the most trendy and faake people you can ever meet.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Don’t forget to study class. The meat and potatoes is the very last paragraph.
Accordingly, the city of Oakland was awarded the eighth AFL franchise on January 30, 1960, and the team inherited the Minneapolis club’s draft picks.
Upon receiving the franchise, Oakland civic leaders found a number of businesspeople willing to invest in the new team. A limited partnership was formed to own the team headed by managing general partner Y. Charles (Chet) Soda (1908-1989), a local real estate developer, and included general partners Ed McGah (1899-1983), Robert Osborne (1898-1968), F. Wayne Valley (1914-1986), restaurateur Harvey Binns (1914-1982), Don Blessing (1904-2000), and contractor Charles Harney (1902-1962)[7] as well as numerous limited partners.
The Raiders finished their first campaign with a 6–8 record, and lost $500,000. Desperately in need of money to continue running the team, Valley received a $400,000 loan from Buffalo Bills founder Ralph C. Wilson Jr.[15]
After the conclusion of the first season Soda dropped out of the partnership, and on January 17, 1961, Valley, McGah and Osborne bought out the remaining four general partners. Soon after, Valley and McGah purchased Osborne’s interest, with Valley named as the managing general partner. After splitting the previous home season between Kezar and Candlestick, the Raiders moved exclusively to Candlestick Park in 1961, where total attendance for the season was about 50,000, and finished 2–12.
Valley threatened to move the Raiders out of the area unless a stadium was built in Oakland, but in 1962 the Raiders moved into 18,000-seat Frank Youell Field (later expanded to 22,000 seats), their first home in Oakland.[16] It was a temporary home for the team while the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum was under construction. Under Marty Feldman and Red Conkright—the team’s second and third head coaches since entering the AFL—the Raiders finished 1–13 in 1962, losing their first 13 games (and making for a 19–game losing streak from 1961 and 1962) before winning the season finale, and attendance remained low.
After the 1962 season, Valley hired Al Davis, a former assistant coach for the San Diego Chargers, as head coach and general manager. At 33, he was the youngest person in professional football history to hold the positions.[17] Davis immediately changed the team colors to silver and black (he was reportedly inspired by the Army football black and gray uniforms), and began to implement what he termed the “vertical game,” an aggressive offensive strategy based on the West Coast offense developed by Chargers head coach Sid Gillman.[18] Under Davis the Raiders improved to 10–4, and he was named the AFL’s Coach of the Year in 1963. Though the team slipped to 5–7–2 in 1964, it rebounded to an 8–5–1 record in 1965.
In April 1966, Davis left the Raiders after being named AFL Commissioner. Two months later, the league announced its merger with the NFL. With the merger, the position of commissioner was no longer needed, and Davis entered into discussions with Valley about returning to the Raiders. On July 25, 1966, Davis returned as part owner of the team. He purchased a 10 percent interest in the team for US $18,000, and became the team’s third general partner and head of football operations.[19][20]
In 1972, with Wayne Valley out of the country for several weeks attending the Olympic Games in Munich, Davis’s attorneys drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him total control over all of the Raiders’ operations. McGah, a supporter of Davis, signed the agreement. Under partnership law, by a 2–1 vote of the general partners, the new agreement was thus ratified. Valley was furious when he discovered this, and immediately filed suit to have the new agreement overturned, but the court sided with Davis and McGah. In January 1976, Valley sold his interest in the team, and Davis — who now owned only 25 percent of the Raiders — was firmly in charge.[19][21]
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Als place in oakland wasnt that great compared to todays standards but my dad said he had to tear a bunch of cork board off of mark davis room wall, repair the wall and paint it, Al would always coment on my dads work and one time my dads truck broke down in Wayne Valleys drive way, when my dad came back the next day Wayne and Al had bought my dad a new truck…..
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
ULE – We’ll have to grab a beer once I’m established so it won’t feel like we’re being overrun by the Charger population.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Frank YoooooooLLL Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Well KoolKell I think we both can agree that it will or might change once this thing hits Als pockets………not sure if it ever will……whadaya think
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He sold off shares in 06′, he’s supposedly looking to sell another 10% now. That tells me, it already has hit his pockets.
And I can’t see anybody else giving him capital with no say, or recourse.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Worth repeating if you didn’t read the whole thing…
n 1972, with Wayne Valley out of the country for several weeks attending the Olympic Games in Munich, Davis’s attorneys drafted a revised partnership agreement that gave him total control over all of the Raiders’ operations. McGah, a supporter of Davis, signed the agreement. Under partnership law, by a 2–1 vote of the general partners, the new agreement was thus ratified. Valley was furious when he discovered this, and immediately filed suit to have the new agreement overturned, but the court sided with Davis and McGah. In January 1976, Valley sold his interest in the team, and Davis — who now owned only 25 percent of the Raiders — was firmly in charge.[19][21]
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Does sharing the stadium with the 49ers keep him safe for awhile?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Really makes you feel bad for Al now that his best player and his fans are turning on him, doesn’t it? Somewhere up there, the Valleys are smiling. Even Frankie. They’re singing rag doll.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:47 pm
KoolKell says
He sold off shares in 06′, he’s supposedly looking to sell another 10% now. That tells me, it already has hit his pockets.
And I can’t see anybody else giving him capital with no say, or recourse.
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But maybe not enough to hand over the keys……….yet
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Funny how Wayne Valley hired Al Davis, let him buy 10% of the team and Al Davis back stabbed him and Al Davis talks about loyalty?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Theres a reason Al keeps his head on a swivel…Hes afraid someone’s going to do to him what he did to someone else. When you yourself are crooked, you can’t possibly trust anybody else.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Hey 24
That bit of info brought up alot of names i remember as a kid, just last night going thru my mom old stuff, I found an old tribune article with chet sodas obit and picture, my dad used to work for alot of those guys mentioned……..he worked for a paint contractor out of san leandro for 41 years……..
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I don’t think Al Davis held majority interests until the 21st century, no?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Frank Yooooooolll
My step-mother used to do the taxes of Charlie Smith, George Atkinson, Art Shell, Ray Chester.
But that’s the way is was back then, when everybody lived in town.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Frank – Sweet. I’ll be honest, I didn’t know what your nickname was until I was posting and reading all of that over again and I noticed it. I’ve read it before but I didn’t retain that info…
“in 1962 the Raiders moved into 18,000-seat Frank Youell Field (later expanded to 22,000 seats), their first home in Oakland.[16]“
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
You are right Kool Kell, my brother Joe who is 10 years older than me used to mow the grass at Frank Youll field many moons ago, we ended up being one of the first season ticket holders at that stadium, I guess it is now Laney college parking lot
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Gotta run wifes waiting to eat dinner………later
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Yeah and back in the day when I became a Raiders fan in 1989, Tim Brown was drafted and stuff. Thats all I got..I tried to contribute haha. Seriously…before Gannon showed up, it was “Go Hostetler”. Yeah buddy.
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
24 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Theres a reason Al keeps his head on a swivel…Hes afraid someone’s going to do to him what he did to someone else.
……..
Exactly. And that’s my point about the fans. He never saw it coming from them. He made damn sure Shanahan, Gruden and Kiffin didn’t do to him what he did to Valley. That’s probably the reason he played the games he did with them. But now you have the fans actively marketing to have him removed, which at the very least will result in boycott. They just got a billboard. Think they’re going to stop now?
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Thats right 24……..my brother went on to viet nam in 65 and then me and my dad went to the games until they went to la……..section 234 i think in those days it was about the 45 yard line, covered by the second deck
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Ok she yelling now gotta go……….
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Think about that…
Jay Schroeder – 5 Years
Jeff Hostetler – 4 Years
Jeff George – 2 Years
Rich Gannon – 4 Years
And then…
Rick Mirer – 1 Year
Kerry Collins – 2 Years
Andrew Walter – 1 Year
Josh McCown – 1 Year
Jamarcus Russell – 1 1/2 Years
Gradkowski – Current
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
In 1966 my family had season tickets at the Coliseum in the south End Zone, now the black-hole, sec 109 I believe.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
MR – Al Davis has always seemed “paranoid”. This only helps I would think.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Think about that…
Jay Schroeder – 5 Years
Jeff Hostetler – 4 Years
Jeff George – 2 Years
Rich Gannon – 4 Years
And then…
Rick Mirer – 1 Year
Kerry Collins – 2 Years
Andrew Walter – 1 Year
Josh McCown – 1 Year
Jamarcus Russell – 1 1/2 Years
Gradkowski – Current
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Then you have
Cable 1 1/2 years
Kiffin 1 1/2 years
Shell 1 year
Turner 2 years
Callahan 2 years
Gruden 4 years
Bugel 1 year
White 2 years
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Think about that…
Jay Schroeder – 5 Years
Jeff Hostetler – 4 Years
Jeff George – 2 Years
Rich Gannon – 4 Years
And then…
Rick Mirer – 1 Year
Kerry Collins – 2 Years
Andrew Walter – 1 Year
Josh McCown – 1 Year
Jamarcus Russell – 1 1/2 Years
Gradkowski – Current
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Then you have
Cable 1 1/2 years
Kiffin 1 1/2 years
Shell 1 year
Turner 2 years
Callahan 2 years
Gruden 4 years
Bugel 1 year
White 2 years
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This is all you need to know, that Al Davis doesn’t have a clue.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 pm
KoolKell – Yeah…Its Jamarcus Russell’s fault. Haha. Oh and…Kiffin was wrong…and Gruden left this team too old. And on and on and on.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
24
Same ole, same ole. Finally the fans are seriously questioning. I think momentum is on our side.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:15 pm
5 coaches since Gruden. Wow. I never really thought about it. I’m just so busy being critical of whatever puppet Al throws out there.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
BREAKING NEWS!
Raiders owner Al Davis trades locker room cancer Nnamdi Asomugha to the Patriots for a 4th round pick!
J/K, but seriously, the Emperor isn’t wearing clothes…
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
MAN
bhp 
is going to be po’d 
you huys 
BTW where is 4eva
Guess the dude 
had to much to drink last night 
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Yesterday was not one of 4eva’s finer moments
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I think that Billboard pushed 4eva over the edge yesterday.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Roethlisberger finished 27-for-41 for 301 yards with the one touchdown and four interceptions. The Raiders won despite being outgained 360-98 and going 1-for-11 in third down conversions.
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Ahhh. A vintage Art Shell Part II victory.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
The fans speak …
Nnamdi speaks ….
And now we wait another year for basic changes that bring our defense into the modern era.
DAMN IT!!!!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
This story will get better when Cable dismisses Nnamdi’s comments.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Yep….i lived there for 10 years and you couldn’t be more right about the Dis Charger fans and fans in San Diego in general.
Can’t wait to see how they feel if and when they pack up and head back to LA. haha
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
The kid leading the protest is not done. Looks like they raised all the money they needed in the last 24hours.
Now they are planning a “step 2.” Looks like a newspaper ad.
Good, Good, Good!
What else can the fanbase do? I think if the Raiders just showed some freekn improvement, the anger wouldn’t be there. But this team is as bad as it ever has been. So bad that the loyalists are throwing blind support to Bruce Gradkowski as the savior! Give me a break.
The billboard, newspaper ads and whatever else comes next will at least be another touchpoint to try and get through to that recalcitrant Owner.
I will gladly contribute to “Step 2″ as well.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
– Raiders coach Tom Cable said he thinks the coaching staff has been receptive to suggestions like those of Asomugha for more variety in terms of scheme.
“I think we do,” Cable said. “We mix it up probably more as we have in the past in term’s of Nnamdi’s point of coverage, basically.”
Asomugha has occasionally, although not often, shadowed wide receivers and once in awhile a tight end.
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I just don’t understand why Cable continues to come out with these ridiculous responses to the media! I mean, CMON Cable! If you were not playing basic defense, why would Nnamdi say you’re doing it? We are not stupid, so you must be! He just said it TODAY Cable guy! Geeze!
Right up there with the QBs are throwing the ball really well, and the passing game is “this” far from exploding.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
What people cannot seem to understand is…if Al Davis was winning, we wouldn’t have a problem and I don’t mean winning 10 games a season but at least being competitive every year around the 7 to 10 win area at least. I’m not against Al Davis being here and winning, I’m against Al Davis being here and losing. I don’t like alot of the stuff Al Davis does but if his way was working, I’d deal with it as I used to but 7 years of this kind of futility has really changed my feelings about where hes at today and quite frankly, I just think hes too old or just not as good as he might have been. However you want to look at it.
If Al Davis started winning and we started seeing positive consistency with the team, I’m all for it but I just have too many doubts about the direction of this team. I honestly don’t see it getting any better and obviously other fans feel the same way, hence the billboard.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
I gave up my season tickets when Al re-hired norvell for the second time. it is good to see people are starting to catch up.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I think that Billboard pushed 4eva over the edge yesterday.
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Well, they should step back and THINK about what has been happening.
But its easier to make JaMarcus jokes or blame the officials.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Empty seats, billboards, players talking out.
Let’s see what the season ticket holders have to say when it is time to re-up.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Jamarcus jokes are simply good for the soul when you’re losing but in the end…its ultimately Al Davis’ fault…jokes are for boredom. If the team was winning and Jamarcus looked good…I’d be eating cupcakes thinking I could play the game the way he does.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I just don’t understand why Cable continues to come out with these ridiculous responses to the media! I mean, CMON Cable! If you were not playing basic defense, why would Nnamdi say you’re doing it? We are not stupid, so you must be! He just said it TODAY Cable guy! Geeze!
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He’s got a paycheck to protect. Someone who’s never had a payday like this, and probably never will. It’s not that hard to realize.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Jamarcus deserves all the jokes. He brought it all upon himself when he showed up “a little heavy” and started one-hoping guys in 7 on 7 drills.
Al Davis, Tom Cable, and Jamarcus Russell deserve all the ridicule they get. Their performance’s on the field, off the field, and their dealings with the media have all been off the charts awful.
Yuk.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Jhill,
This car is so broken down. Now that Thomas Howard has been benched and deemed a bust….that means the Raiders have TWO position players that are good/great players of the 24 1st & 2nd round picks they have used since 1999.
Also…the LB corps is in total disarray now.
Williams, Morrison, Scott…..
I guess next year will have some TE from North Dakota State at MLB with Slade Norris and Ricky Brown fighting for the SLB and Trevor Scott at the Will
Give me an F’n Break
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
In “Defense” of Cable (get it?), I have seen some uncharacteristic things from John Marshall’s defense that I didn’t see with the past few DC’s and I’m talking about the blitzing and more zone play and things like that. He’s challenged the old man upstairs but obviously, the influence continues for the most part.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:40 pm
# 24 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Maybe Mark Davis can pull a Gladiator move and take his father into his arms and simply squeeze the breath out of him.
………….
Let’s hold the good thought. We need more positive thinking like that in here.
^^^^^^^
Or Mark Davis can be like Darth Vader and throw his Emperor master father over the edge of his luxury suite in the Coliseum.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
24 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Jamarcus jokes are simply good for the soul when you’re losing but in the end…its ultimately Al Davis’ fault…jokes are for boredom. If the team was winning and Jamarcus looked good…I’d be eating cupcakes thinking I could play the game the way he does.
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I am no apologist for Russell. He should be cut IMO for showing up overweight and skipping meetings.
But the Davis apologists gloss over the fact that Al Davis:
1. Drafted the kid despite the warning signs
2. Forced Russell to start when he didn’t deserve too
3. Created an environment that enabled Russell’s slothful and indifferent behavior.
So, any Russell jokes HAS TO BE accompanied by an equal barb at the man who created this mess in the 1st place….AL DAVIS
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
LOL, SnB ….
I mean DAMN !!!! All I can say is I NEVER saw the T Howard benching coming. I thought BY FAR he’s made more plays than any of our LBs.
With that said, Scott looked pretty damn good at that spot.
But no way Howard should not be in front of Sam Williams!
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Then we find out the Raiders spend more money than most of the teams in the league.
Yet perform so poorly with few, if any, signs of improvement.
2010 is going to look a lot like this year….and the year before that and so on.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
DKnight007 – Good one…I didn’t think of that.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
24,
We see it “occasionally”, but the base Raider 1 defense is there probably 80% of the snaps.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Man, this would be a great time for a little Al Davis press conference…
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
You know why Thomas Howard got benched? He’s the best linebacker on the team…thats why. Al wants to win his way and that doesn’t always include the best players.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Can someone please turn on the projector now to allow the bulb to warm up in time for that press conference? Thank you.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Jhill,
Howard can play the game. Period. Guy makes plays and flys all over the field.
He needs to step up on run support as well…but hell, they rarely use the guy.
Howard will be starting somewhere else next year and soon we will be wondering how we let the guy go.
The scheme the Raiders employ is so broken that I don’t know if we can evaluate any player on the defense…including my favorite whipping boys Tommy Kelly and Warren.
The scheme is simplistic and doesn’t change over the course of a 16 game season.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
# jhill Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Empty seats, billboards, players talking out.
Let’s see what the season ticket holders have to say when it is time to re-up.
^^^^^^They better tell those piece of crap ticket reps that Al Davis needs hire a REAL GM/PLAYER PERSONNEL MAN AND A REAL HEAD COACH to make the football decisions and run the operations while he takes backseat….before they even think about renewing their tickets!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
The Biggest Hit of All Time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REt0IJpU2k4&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_fresh+div-HM
I bet Al Davis already knows where this kids parents grew up, where hes going next and hes going to be the first to draft him before someone else does.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I wonder what Jim Otto is telling Davis?
I don’t see him as one of Al’s stooges. And I’m SURE Davis and Madden have talked about the state of the franchise.
This billboard thing won’t go unnoticed at headquarters.
How can Al NOT respond to the fans and empty stadium?
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
MR didnt I tell you to go phuck yourself. When will you learn that no one on this site cares if your dead or alive. Dumbass
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Uncle Junior and Bobby, oops i mean Al and Cable are on the 880 right now trying to chop that billboard down…
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Jhill,
I have absolutely no confidence in Tom Cable’s personnel decisions.
He favors guys that have no talent…..and the only young player he is interested in developing is DHB.
Branch happen to fall in his lap. Had Mitchell been healthy, Branch would be on the outs too!
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
# jhill Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
LOL, SnB ….
I mean DAMN !!!! All I can say is I NEVER saw the T Howard benching coming. I thought BY FAR he’s made more plays than any of our LBs.
With that said, Scott looked pretty damn good at that spot.
But no way Howard should not be in front of Sam Williams!
^^^^^^^
Hate to say it….but the LB that is the biggest disappointment is Morrision….not Howard.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Lol! VanHeathen #131!
That’s some funny sh** right there.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Maybe the guy thats been catching all those cars on fire in the Richmond area will get hired by Al to get rid of the billboard?
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
jhill Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
I wonder what Jim Otto is telling Davis?
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Nothing helpful. The problem is that Davis and company really have no clue on how to turn this thing around. They really don’t. I think they are trying…but just don’t have a clue on what to do
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
So you think Nnamdi is making excuses?
I think you are making excuses for Al Davis’ organization.
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I think that Nnamdi is making excuses for his teammates. An example would be the TD that CJ gave up against Roy Williams. He blamed Branch for a blown assignment and then over on sportsline, he gets quoted saying that he missed the call to switch form zone to man. What is the point of running multiple sets and schemes if you can’t handle something that simple. I like CJ but there was no excuse for that. There was no crowd noise. Dallas was in the red zone. He just missed the damn signal. Most NFL defenses switch things up when they have teams backed up and force obvious passing situations. The defense can’t stop the run on 1st and second down they can’t make adjustments. The coaches aren’t teaching and the players are not learning.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:54 pm
SnB,
At this point, I’m no longer thinking about Cable. He’s as good as gone this off-season. The Hanson scandal, the wife beating stories, and the bad product on the field?
Folks have been fired for far less.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:54 pm
# DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:43 pm
So you think Nnamdi is making excuses?
I think you are making excuses for Al Davis’ organization.
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I think that Nnamdi is making excuses for his teammates. An example would be the TD that CJ gave up against Roy Williams. He blamed Branch for a blown assignment and then over on sportsline, he gets quoted saying that he missed the call to switch form zone to man. What is the point of running multiple sets and schemes if you can’t handle something that simple. I like CJ but there was no excuse for that. There was no crowd noise. Dallas was in the red zone. He just missed the damn signal. Most NFL defenses switch things up when they have teams backed up and force obvious passing situations. The defense can’t stop the run on 1st and second down they can’t make adjustments. The coaches aren’t teaching and the players are not learning.
^^^^^^^^And who’s fault is that for hiring a crack coaching staff and making bad personnel decisions and making horrible draft picks at the top of the draft??
Guess who….?
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I believe Chris Johnson was released by the Rams because he was terrible in their zone scheme. He has excelled in man to man but maybe playing zone is his weakness? Hes like Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
# VanHeathen Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Uncle Junior and Bobby, oops i mean Al and Cable are on the 880 right now trying to chop that billboard down…
^^^^^^^
Thats funny! LMAO!
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:56 pm
jhill Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:54 pm
SnB,
At this point, I’m no longer thinking about Cable. He’s as good as gone this off-season. The Hanson scandal, the wife beating stories, and the bad product on the field?
Folks have been fired for far less.
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But Cable works well with Davis and is doing mostly what Davis asks for. He just might keep this guy around.
Unlike some of the coaches in the past that might have deserved another year…Cable does not. He needs to go right now.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
remember the ‘06 game. i was at lampost pizza in el monte, ca. l.a. raider booster club spot. got pretty faded and pumped about 2 w’s in a row.also remember walter saying it was the worst offensive game he was ever involved in and then he followed it up by a 16-0 shutout on mnf by the seahawks. damn that was 3yrs ago?
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
DT42 Says
What is the point of running multiple sets and schemes if you can’t handle something that simple.
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The Oakland Retards are like a special education school.
Seriously, the Oakland players are no dumber than any other football players. The Raiders cannot teach.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I hope that the kid organizes a series of TV commercials…or maybe an ad on Sirius NFL Radio.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
I need Memphis Grizz to win by 3 or more and the Thunder to win by 7 or more.
Hoops have been good for me lately, hence betting on the Memphis-Minny game, LOL
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:57 pm
DT42 Says
What is the point of running multiple sets and schemes if you can’t handle something that simple.
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The Oakland Retards are like a special education school.
Seriously, the Oakland players are no dumber than any other football players. The Raiders cannot teach.
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When 21 of 24 1st & 2nd round picks can’t be successfull in your scheme….you’ve got player development challenges and a scheme problem.
Only Nnamdi and Zach Miller can be considered high round successes since 1999.
Janokowski doesn’t count. A kicker can never live up to a 1st round billing unless said kicker wins the Super Bowl….and this Raider franchise will not be seeing that in the near future
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Firing Cable isn’t going to do anything…thats the problem. Davis will just hire another nobody and they will fail as well. Al Davis is the problem, not Cable and I’m not saying Cable is a good coach, I’m just saying he’s doing whats necessary to keep his job and that only makes him a follower but thats the only way to keep a Head Coaching gig with the Raiders.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
But Cable works well with Davis and is doing mostly what Davis asks for. He just might keep this guy around.
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So did Shell, and Shell had way more clout.
And Cable is NOT doing what Davis asks for, and that is winning games.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
vegas raider Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Al Davis, Tom Cable, and Jamarcus Russell deserve all the ridicule they get.
………..
As if all 3 of them are equally at fault. As if Tom Cable and JaMarcus Russell have been here since 2003. Sure.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Tom Cable, JaMarcus Russell = current scapegoats.
Don’t let these Davis worshipers try to lump Al in with those two, as if all 3 of them are equally at fault. Al hired both of them, after the team had already sucked. They always try to be slick like that.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
i always reminded steeler and, before thanksgiving, cowboys fans that we beat them the last time we played against each other, seems like i’m heading towards the end of that rope.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
24,
Tom Cable is doing some damage on his own. Namely damage to Michael Bush, DMAC, Louis Murphy and now Thomas Howard.
I don’t want Cable making anymore decisions
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Always conveniently start the timetable at 2003.
I’m sure that doesn’t include the double-digit victory in the AFC championship in January of 2003 right?
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Cable will probably wind up an assistant somewhere, like Callahan. JaMarcus will probably end up on another NFL team with a better system, maybe even start, like Kerry Collins. The Raiders, on the other hand, will always suck, until Al is gone.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
i’d pick howard over morrison and williams all day, but it is what it is. tha raiders.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
SnB – Its a little hard to tell who’s making that decision but my guess is Al Davis. To me, starting DHB is an Al Davis thing. Starting Justin Fargas is an AD thing. Benching Javon Walker is an AD thing. AD loves Scott so I would imagine benching Howard is an AD thing. DMAC just hasn’t been healthy but he was on the field as a receiver.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Nope. My convenient timetable starts with the 2003 season, as in the fall, VR. But if you want, I’ll start it at the Super Bowl in Jan of ‘03. How about that?
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Vegas,
The period from 2000 to 2002 was simply the eye of a huge storm of incompetence, stupidity and arrogance.
Grudena and a GM that figured out a way to “manage” AL Davis while key veterans helped keep some semblance of focus and discipline on the roster.
2003 is a very appropriate place to start…although I recommend going back to 1987
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Vegas,
Wassuper!
The thing about 2003 thru current is Al is clearly “aging” right in front of our eyes. I mean, did u see the guy on Thursday? Does that really look like a guy who should be running things?
Al should be enjoying life right now, if you know what I mean. He shouldn’t be working 8-12 hour days at his age. And if he’s not working 12 hour days, he should not be the GM!
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Jhill,
Al Davis needs to let his coaches coach and get some real advisors to manage the draft.
He can still own the team and even provide constructive feedback.
But this nonsense of owning the draft, picking assistants, dictating scheme, choosing the starting lineup — that’s insane and creates an impossible working situation
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Al looks like Fire Marshall Bill, like at the end of the skits.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
SnB,
Just like Al deserves all the blame for his current crew, what’s fair is fair and deserves the credit for 2000-2002.
Who hired Gruden and the GM? How about all the vets that were considered retreads that played a vital role in the teams resurgence?
We ask those same questions now, I say we ask those same questions than.
Not some crazy loyalists or anything. I went to all those playoff games, and it was the greatest moments in my sporting life. Cal Bears, Warriors….they never gave me anything close to that.
Maybe that’s my problem, all my teams suck, lol
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:13 pm
“Let me thow you thomething!”
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:16 pm
JHill,
Hope you had a good turkey day (aside from my buddy Bruce laying a stinker)
Al is way to old to hold down probably even a part-time job, better yet an extremely demanding job like an NFL GM.
He only has so many 10%’s to sell before he is no longer in power. Something shall change in the next 4-5 years, and something big. He knows he is nearing death, and there is seemingly no transition plan in place. Hell there isn’t even a current plan in place!!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
VegasRaider, I agree, Al deserves credit for 2000-2002. Whatever he did to get those results, he should do again. What do you think he’s doing now to get those results? Run down the similarities between the organization then, from the front office on down to the sideline, to the organization today.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:18 pm
If scott turns into a great lb, you can bet AD will take the credit. AD is behind most if not all of cables quirky decisions. Cable knows he is on thin ice. you think he would make any of these moves on his own? Specially on defense?
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:18 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Jhill,
This car is so broken down. Now that Thomas Howard has been benched and deemed a bust….that means the Raiders have TWO position players that are good/great players of the 24 1st & 2nd round picks they have used since 1999.
Also…the LB corps is in total disarray now.
Williams, Morrison, Scott…..
I guess next year will have some TE from North Dakota State at MLB with Slade Norris and Ricky Brown fighting for the SLB and Trevor Scott at the Will
Give me an F’n Break
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Not entirely sure Howard is on the outs. With 55 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 passes defensed and a forced fumble, Howard’s on pace to have another typically productive year.
The promotion and subsequent injury to Ricky Brown early on and concussions suffered by Jon Alston thinned the ranks and forced Oakland to scramble far as linebackers go. Far as I know, last week was the first time this year Scott and Howard played those postions perdominantly.
The Raiders made a decision in pre season roster cut downs to keep 3 TE’s based on Brandon Myers camp and rumors of more 2 TE sets that haven’t really materialized.
Keeping 3 meant one less LB.
Yet another poor choice like counting on 15 yr vet Lorenzo Neil to squeeze out one more productive year and hedging Oren O’Neal could somehow recover from one of the worst knee injuries ever, still be in shape and not have missed out by losing valuable field time.
Lots of little gambles and now that Daivs is old and Cables NEVER been head coach of anything significant, thsoe “God is in the details” moments come back to haunt.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:20 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
VegasRaider, I agree, Al deserves credit for 2000-2002. Whatever he did to get those results, he should do again. What do you think he’s doing now to get those results? Run down the similarities between the organization then, from the front office on down to the sideline, to the organization today.
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None, that’s why we are losing.
I think he is trying to build the team up with youth, he is just doing an awful job at it. He kind of sacrificed the future a little relying on so many vets, so there had to be a transition in place. But he put the keys in the hands of a lazy Alabaman, a wife-beating simple-minded coach, and a bunch of terrible draft choices.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:21 pm
All right Thunder is in…now just for the Grizz.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Nnamdi21,
Howard lost his starting job to Trevor Scot.
Howard was behind Williams.
Listen to Cable’s words about the change.
Howard is done in Oakland….along with Morrison.
We have no linebacking corps.
This team is as bad as it ever has been.
We need:
QB
RB (probably 1 since Bush is on the outs and DMAC is brittle)
WR (Need at least 1)
FB
RT
RG
C
DT (2) – Kelly & Warren get paid way too much
MLB
SLB
WLB
NB
FS (Huff ain’t worth his escalator next yr…just avg)
My friends…that a team that hasn’t even begun to rebuild. Oh and the most expensive roster in the league….Good Lawd
It might damn well be 10 yrs of double digit losing.
Davis needs to hear about the billboard….if nothing else maybe it will spark him to think creatively.
This perpetual offseason is tiring.
So who will post their 1st mock draft?
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Vegas,
Regarding the 03′ timetable. I know damned well you’re not dumb. You’ve seen this post many times.
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
1. Pittsburg 15
2. Miami 14
3. Green Bay 14
4. New England 13
5. Philadelphia 13
6. San Francisco 12
7. Minnesota 12
8. Kansas City 12
9. Indianapolis 12
10. Denver 12
11. Dallas 12
12. Tennessee 11
13. New York Giants 10
14. Buffalo 9
15. Seattle 8
16. Tampa Bay 8
17. San Diego 8
18. New York Jets 8
19. Chicago 8
20. Washington 8
21. Oakland 6
22. Atlanta 6
23. New Orleans 6
24. St Louis 5
25. Detroit 5
26. Cleveland 4
27. Cincinnati 2
Jacksonville’s been in the League since 1995, 7 winning seasons.
Carolina been in the League since 1995, 4 winning seasons.
Baltimore’s been in the League since 1996, 6 winning seasons.
Houston’s been in the League since 2002, 0 winning seasons.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Something is going to happen this offseason. At a minimum, there will be some coaching adjustments.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Yes KoolKell I am not dumb and I have seen the post.
At least it goes back 20+ years. In my eyes that is a much more viable sample size than “since 2003″.
Hell in 2003 if you said look at the last 5 years, Raiders would have been the model NFL franchise!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Damn, lost by 1 frkn point.
OJ Mayo missed a FT and cost me a push. I hate him, always have always will.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Man, have to watch this stupid Rudolph movie on CBS.
The wife must have seen it 80 times and she is still a sucker for it.
*SIGH*
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
DKnight & KK
Correct me if i’m wrong but the last time i checked this game was played by grown a$$ men who are responsible for their own actions. But i guess its easy to be intimidated by an 80 year old man in a walker. Maybe the first step to being a respectable franchise is a little self accountability. Earlier you quoted Patrick Bates……Patrick Bates??? I watched him miss assignments and miss tackles so many times i can’t count. But he did have 1 Int. in 44 games. And did make ESPN’s list of top 50 busts.
Here is the pattern that I see. Countless grown adults cashing paychecks that they are not earning. Most of them make careers after they leave the Raiders by bashing the team that paid them. Can you imagine Warren Sapp being scared of Al Davis? But you didn’t hear him speak his mind when he was here. Why is that?? In fact outside of Randy Moss i can’t think of an Ex-Raider that was successful after he left Oakland. Anyone from that ‘96 SI article have a better career after they left?
Lets compare for a min. Peyton Manning’s quote after he signed a huge NFL contract. If i remember right he was asked what he was going to do with his new contract and he said “earn it”. Now who is responsible for that statement Manning or Bill Polian?
Manning of course. But according to the “Al Davis theory” its Polian that is responsible right? Tom Brady is a product of Robert Kraft and Kraft saved Randy Moss from himself right??
SNB offers up a very interesting stat about 21 out of 24 picks are not successful. That’s not true Nnamdi was considered a bust up until a couple of years ago. So what changed with him. He was in the same scheme or did i miss something. Oh wait he credits extra film study and taking a professional approach to his craft. If Huff can put together a couple of seasons like the one he is having then he gets lifted from the “bust” list and guess what changed with him? More film study and taking a professional approach to his craft.
I bet the Raider players are laughing their collective a$$’$ off at that bill board and the comments here. You are giving them a free pass. No wonder they don’t put in extra hours.
The only one who actually had a point was Jhill’s comment about Al not working 12 hour shifts. Jhill is right if he isn’t putting in the time to be GM then yes he should quit. But i’m not ready to believe that grown men are intimidated by Al Davis so much that they don’t put in the work needed to be better.
Players play ……everyone else watches.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
DT42,
The Front Office is responsible for bringing in the character players. When just about every high draft pick, every free agent, every coach fails every year….there is something fundamentally wrong with the player/coach selection and evaluation process.
Al’s team has the highest payroll in the nfl. How come he is so unlucky to wind up with all these lazy good for nothing players?
Why is Indy, Pittsburgh and New England lacking such lazy no-good players?
Why does a randy moss quit here…but become a model citizen in new england?
Does Al Davis let his coaches implement discipline? Bench so-called superstars for being overweight and skipping meetings?
Davis is solely responsible for the amalgamation of talentless, heartless and cowardly players that litter this roster
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:59 pm
DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
DKnight & KK
Correct me if i’m wrong but the last time i checked this game was played by grown a$$ men who are responsible for their own actions. But i guess its easy to be intimidated by an 80 year old man in a walker. Maybe the first step to being a respectable franchise is a little self accountability
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C’mon man. There’s a reason why some teams win every year, and others lose every year. Why some companies are successful and other are not.
If “grown ass men” don’t need coaching, then why are there Coaches in ALL sports. Why do the successful coaches command such salaries?
C’mon man, quit it.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
According to Cable, the players ARE putting in the work. The locker room is filled with high character players who will continue to fight through this. They come to work every day striving to get better.
I tend to believe Cable for the most part.
The fact of the matter is, we are not that talented.
Gallery, Henderson, and Miller are our only starters who would start for another team. Gradkowski, Fargas, Lawton, Murphy, DHB, Satele, Carlisle, and Green all need to be upgraded.
Chris Johnson had one good year, and look what we expect from him. He wasn’t a rookie, lol! He’s doing about as well as he should, but what other options do we have? Routt? Holland?
We just don’t have the talent to compete. And couple that with a HC, OC, and playcaller who NEVER did it before, and this is what you get.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:09 pm
KK
so what you are saying is that tommorrow when you go into work, you would not be the success you are if it wasn’t for your supervisor?
Coaches form game plans, organize practice schedules and conduct practices. Etc. Etc. But KK tell me something
What is a GM’s job?
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:12 pm
SNB
play GM for just a minute and list “character players” in this years draft. And explain to me how you know they are “character players.” If you can answer this questions you will get 32 job offers in the next 5 min.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:19 pm
There is no questioning that there is a “system” in place in Oakland, at least on defense.
Cable is trying to run a WCO, with a vertical twist, and it’s just flat out not working.
I think the coaches are doing a terrible job in certain places. There is NO excuse for the rookies to not know that you can come to work on Tuesdays. The WR coach should be fired.
Whoever made the roster decisions that left us with DHB, Murphy, JLH, and Todd Watkins as 4 of the 5 active WRs needs to be removed from that position.
John Holland as our 4th corner? Really?
Someone already covered ONeal and Neal, but wassup with Nick Miller getting a roser spot all year?
And there’s more, but I’m sure you get the picture.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:23 pm
DT42, at what point to you blame Al? At what point do you just snap out of your denial, and face the fact that one person in ever organization is ultimately responsible for the personnel. You’re talking about accountability. The only way Al can take accountability at this point is by retiring. He already said he made mistakes. He said he would do something about it. “Something big” is on the way. He lied. He’s a pathological liar who has no intention of making the Raiders better using any methods other than his own. You want everyone to take accountability but Al. And it doesn’t matter that he’s 80. If he kills someone, they won’t press charges because he’s 80? get real.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Al Davis has made more excuses in the past decade than JaMarcus Russell has in his entire life.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Al Davis is an irresponsible failure. A loser. Period.
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Dt42 the only way you would know is if you interviewed them before you drafted or signed them which al davis does
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:51 pm
16yearsold16year fan:
so all players get interviewed and vetted before the draft. Why do other teams have draft busts?
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Ryan Leaf
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
Career 25 317 655 48.4 3666 5.6 14 83 36 50.0
Jamarcus Russell
YEAR TEAM G CMP ATT PCT YDS AVG TD LNG INT RAT
Career 28 330 639 51.6 3860 6.0 17 86 21 65.5
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
MR:
Look we’ve already went around and around on this. I’ve criticized Al Davis multiple times. As a GM he has failed. But i don’t buy that these players don’t have some personal accountability in all of this. That’s my point, that’s been my point all along. But your so busy with your personal war with Al Davis that you don’t see that. Just go back and look at your meltdown after the Cincy game.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
# DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
DKnight & KK
Correct me if i’m wrong but the last time i checked this game was played by grown a$$ men who are responsible for their own actions. But i guess its easy to be intimidated by an 80 year old man in a walker. Maybe the first step to being a respectable franchise is a little self accountability. Earlier you quoted Patrick Bates……Patrick Bates??? I watched him miss assignments and miss tackles so many times i can’t count. But he did have 1 Int. in 44 games. And did make ESPN’s list of top 50 busts.
Here is the pattern that I see. Countless grown adults cashing paychecks that they are not earning. Most of them make careers after they leave the Raiders by bashing the team that paid them. Can you imagine Warren Sapp being scared of Al Davis? But you didn’t hear him speak his mind when he was here. Why is that?? In fact outside of Randy Moss i can’t think of an Ex-Raider that was successful after he left Oakland. Anyone from that ‘96 SI article have a better career after they left?
Lets compare for a min. Peyton Manning’s quote after he signed a huge NFL contract. If i remember right he was asked what he was going to do with his new contract and he said “earn it”. Now who is responsible for that statement Manning or Bill Polian?
Manning of course. But according to the “Al Davis theory” its Polian that is responsible right? Tom Brady is a product of Robert Kraft and Kraft saved Randy Moss from himself right??
SNB offers up a very interesting stat about 21 out of 24 picks are not successful. That’s not true Nnamdi was considered a bust up until a couple of years ago. So what changed with him. He was in the same scheme or did i miss something. Oh wait he credits extra film study and taking a professional approach to his craft. If Huff can put together a couple of seasons like the one he is having then he gets lifted from the “bust” list and guess what changed with him? More film study and taking a professional approach to his craft.
I bet the Raider players are laughing their collective a$$’$ off at that bill board and the comments here. You are giving them a free pass. No wonder they don’t put in extra hours.
The only one who actually had a point was Jhill’s comment about Al not working 12 hour shifts. Jhill is right if he isn’t putting in the time to be GM then yes he should quit. But i’m not ready to believe that grown men are intimidated by Al Davis so much that they don’t put in the work needed to be better.
Players play ……everyone else watches.
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Accountability starts at the top. Lets see….what GM or Personnel man would still be in his position after 7 LOUSY LOSING years??? Who makes the lousy draft picks and who hires underwhelming yes men coaches who don’t have what it takes to win??
The losing all starts at the top….and it starts with Al Davis.
He has ruined this once proud franchise….I hope he is happy.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:08 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:06 pm
# DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
DKnight & KK
Correct me if i’m wrong but the last time i checked this game was played by grown a$$ men who are responsible for their own actions. But i guess its easy to be intimidated by an 80 year old man in a walker. Maybe the first step to being a respectable franchise is a little self accountability. Earlier you quoted Patrick Bates……Patrick Bates??? I watched him miss assignments and miss tackles so many times i can’t count. But he did have 1 Int. in 44 games. And did make ESPN’s list of top 50 busts.
Here is the pattern that I see. Countless grown adults cashing paychecks that they are not earning. Most of them make careers after they leave the Raiders by bashing the team that paid them. Can you imagine Warren Sapp being scared of Al Davis? But you didn’t hear him speak his mind when he was here. Why is that?? In fact outside of Randy Moss i can’t think of an Ex-Raider that was successful after he left Oakland. Anyone from that ‘96 SI article have a better career after they left?
Lets compare for a min. Peyton Manning’s quote after he signed a huge NFL contract. If i remember right he was asked what he was going to do with his new contract and he said “earn it”. Now who is responsible for that statement Manning or Bill Polian?
Manning of course. But according to the “Al Davis theory” its Polian that is responsible right? Tom Brady is a product of Robert Kraft and Kraft saved Randy Moss from himself right??
SNB offers up a very interesting stat about 21 out of 24 picks are not successful. That’s not true Nnamdi was considered a bust up until a couple of years ago. So what changed with him. He was in the same scheme or did i miss something. Oh wait he credits extra film study and taking a professional approach to his craft. If Huff can put together a couple of seasons like the one he is having then he gets lifted from the “bust” list and guess what changed with him? More film study and taking a professional approach to his craft.
I bet the Raider players are laughing their collective a$$’$ off at that bill board and the comments here. You are giving them a free pass. No wonder they don’t put in extra hours.
The only one who actually had a point was Jhill’s comment about Al not working 12 hour shifts. Jhill is right if he isn’t putting in the time to be GM then yes he should quit. But i’m not ready to believe that grown men are intimidated by Al Davis so much that they don’t put in the work needed to be better.
Players play ……everyone else watches.
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Accountability starts at the top. Lets see….what GM or Personnel man would still be in his position after 7 LOUSY LOSING years??? Who makes the lousy draft picks and who hires underwhelming yes men coaches who don’t have what it takes to win??
The losing all starts at the top….and it starts with Al Davis.
He has ruined this once proud franchise….I hope he is happy.
^^^^^^^Oh yeah and another thing…if the players that Al chooses are just collecting paychecks…then why is that? Because they know the old man is a looney and the head coach that he hired will not discipline them.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 pm
# DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
MR:
Look we’ve already went around and around on this. I’ve criticized Al Davis multiple times. As a GM he has failed. But i don’t buy that these players don’t have some personal accountability in all of this. That’s my point, that’s been my point all along. But your so busy with your personal war with Al Davis that you don’t see that. Just go back and look at your meltdown after the Cincy game.
^^^^^^^The players will start feeling the heat when they are DISCIPLINED…but Al Davis and Cable don’t know how to discipline these guys.
If you say they are getting a free pass….it’s because the whacked owner/gm/personnel man and head coach give them a free pass.
Jamarcus Russell is a perfect example of them giving away free passes for players to do whatever they want and not care.
Davis and Cable should have made sure Russell had a personal trainer to get in the best shape of his life during the off season (espcecially with that undeserved money he makes) but they did nothing!
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:13 pm
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December 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
DKnight007
Accountability starts at the top? No accountability starts with the individual. The next time i’m late to work i’ll blame my company president and see how that goes over.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:17 pm
It’s the old chicken or the egg arguement.
Davis has total control so the best coaches don’t want to work for him, because they have no control.
And if the coach is not in control, then the players are not held accountable and won’t have the discipline to get better.
If the coach can’t get rid of an undisciplined player, then only desparate coaches will work for Al.
Around and around they go.
Somewhere the chain has to break. It broke for a few years when Gruden was at the helm. Because somehow Gruden was able to convince Al that having old Jerry Rice and Tim Brown, with noodle armed Rich Gannon throwing to them was a “vertical offence.”
As long as Al thinks he’s getting his way, the coach can make changes and find a way to win.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:18 pm
DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
DKnight007
Accountability starts at the top? No accountability starts with the individual. The next time i’m late to work i’ll blame my company president and see how that goes over.
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Is your boss Al Davis? Do you have a $36 M signing bonus?
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm
As sooon as these players prove they can handle multiple sets on defnse the coaches can affrd to call more of them. We play zone as though we’re blind. We played a cover2 vs Dnaver and got shredded and then we played them again in man and dominated them. So what would you do if you were the coach?
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:23 pm
priesttj Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm
So what would you do if you were the coach?
Ask
for your 
advise 
NOT 
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
DKnight007 Says
Davis and Cable should have made sure Russell had a personal trainer to get in the best shape of his life during the off season (espcecially with that undeserved money he makes) but they did nothing!
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Name another team that has forced a personal trainer on a player. Name one I’ll wait……………………………………………………………………..
Or maybe you were talking about a Strength and Conditioning Coach. Yeah we have one already. Along with a CBA that limits how much an organization can organize off season workouts for players.
But you do have a point about the front office and coaching staff not instilling more discipline on a team. But again even if you have a team that is clamping down on its team all you get is a team of unhappy underachievers. Until the players take control of the situation and fix things, its gonna stay the same.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm
priesttj Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:20 pm
As sooon as these players prove they can handle multiple sets on defnse the coaches can affrd to call more of them. We play zone as though we’re blind. We played a cover2 vs Dnaver and got shredded and then we played them again in man and dominated them. So what would you do if you were the coach?
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Do you mean head coach? or DC?
If I were DC, I run a variety of coverages, packages and blitzes. Try to confuse the Offence as much as possible.
Then when the phone call came from AL, I would say,”Hmmm, I guess the players just blew their assignments.”
I would do the same thing for a few weeks until I A)Got good results, or B) got fired by Al, because he calls the shots on defence.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:28 pm
NorthernD:
No but i do have a job, i know you’ve heard of those things right. That where all of those people are going when your on your way to the street corner with your cardboard sign.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
NorthernD, we’re doing that but we don’t have uy’s wh are effective blitzers. The Steelers have been running that same system for 20+ years and they still run cover2 behind it. But what makes it work is the heat they put on the QB. Or else that soft cover2 would get shreded week in week out.
What they wan to d is keep everything in front of them and funnel it to Troy to make plays. Take out Troy and that defense is very suspect. So it’s not as easy as to say what you’re doing is bad it’s WHO you’re doing it with. We have a real gem in T Scott with this new role he had 2 sacks last week and I think will be dominant in that role if he takes the challenge.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:42 pm
priesttj Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
NorthernD, we’re doing that but we don’t have uy’s wh are effective blitzers.
WE
You 
got a mouse in your pocket 
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
priesttj Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:38 pm
What they wan to d is
Take it easy there old fart
Slow down, we don’t want you 
drooling all over yourself 
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:44 pm
DT42, all you have to d is pay attention and it’s very simple what the deal is. When Morrison misses tackles it has NOTHING to do with a scheme it haas everything to do with him making plays………period
Look at Huff now as opposed t when he wasn’t making plays, was it the scheme or was it a guy playing cautious? I think the answer is obvious. No one screams about Mr Davis selecting Mario at LT or MB in the 4th or Chaz in the 7th. We all make some mistakes but we’ve suffered from aome KEY misses at HC and QB and that’s why we’re 7 years losing if we can get that straightened out we’ll win……….period
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:49 pm
priesttj Says:
We all make some mistakes but we’ve suffered from aome KEY misses at HC and QB and that’s why we’re 7 years losing if we can get that straightened out we’ll win……….period
After y years
Think it’s time to start learning from those mistakes 
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
KK, if you knew football and could actually talk football instead of ignorant rhetoric someone might listen to you. Every answer is Al Davis did it. A 2 year old could make such astute observations. You sut and paste with the best of them do you have an opinion on what front we should run or what coverage? NO!!
Just piss and moan and piss and moan, it’s been great reading such outstanding football knowledge. Oh! I’m sorry you have none.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Well when will you turn yours on? hearing aid!! and listen to the screams telling you to shutup.
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Yes indeed I have heard of a job. Low and behold I do have one too.
But if the worker is making $36 M, and his “boss” is only making $2 M, it kind of throws things out of whack.
JaMarcus has had great football ability since he was a kid. He has been groomed to play in the NFL, since he was knee high. He’s probably never held a real job, worked in a factory, learned the value of a buck, etc.
Work ethic and accountibilty is something you acquire through experience or observation.
JaMarcus has failed to acquire those skills along the way. I’m pretty sure he’s probably been treated with kid gloves all the way through his career, based on his potential, and the ability to through a football.
JaMarcus has probably never been held accounatble for his actions like he should have.
I am, and I’m sure you as well, are accountable to others that rely on us to make ends meet.
By the way, I didn’t mean to make it sound like an insult, so please don’t take it as one.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:00 pm
bhp ♥ mr. avis
bhp ♥ jamarcus russell
bhp ♥ LOSING
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Criticism is easy as long as you don’t have to answer for it. In some ways Nnamdi is right in some ways he is wrong. Even he has been very critical of his own teamates for all the dropped coverages. IN the SD we left Gates WIDE open for a 1st down and then left Jackson WIDE open for a TD in the same drive.
And your criticism is we don’t change things up enough, we can’t get the easy right. the 1st game of the year on that final drive we played a cover3 with a spy and we let SD charge right down the field because we couldn’t execute a simple front and make a tackle. Then everyone says we were in prevent no we weren’t we were in a ZONE designed to keep everything in front and tackle the football and we sucked at it.
At some point these players NEED to play………period
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:05 pm
KK, contraversy is all you know, besides name calling and ridiculing. I guess your life is full.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Priest – You have no room to talk in regards to name calling and ridiculing. You’re an optimist, which is fine but it makes you blind.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 pm
priesttj Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Criticism is easy as long as you don’t have to answer for it. In some ways Nnamdi is right in some ways he is wrong. Even he has been very critical of his own teamates for all the dropped coverages. IN the SD we left Gates WIDE open for a 1st down and then left Jackson WIDE open for a TD in the same drive.
And your criticism is we don’t change things up enough, we can’t get the easy right. the 1st game of the year on that final drive we played a cover3 with a spy and we let SD charge right down the field because we couldn’t execute a simple front and make a tackle. Then everyone says we were in prevent no we weren’t we were in a ZONE designed to keep everything in front and tackle the football and we sucked at it.
At some point these players NEED to play………period
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Seems to me its been Huff making the misplays at safety. You’d think it would be Tyvon, but it seems more like Huff to be honest.
Anytime Stanford Routt’s in, its 90% going to be a completion and thats being generous to Stan.
The result of Davis’s insistence on simple is, as it has continued to be, huge game changing, momentum stealing plays.
Seen it time and again. On the 2 plays before the Gates catch Oaklands D looked like world beaters DOMINATING with back to back spectacular plays and then giving away the farm on 3rd and long to Gates.
Ricky Brown was the spy me thinks and he fell down at least once to give Sproles first down yardage. Brown was a weak link in the LB coverage. (Remember Joe Flacco’s catch?) Only got worse with Alston who was soon concussed.
Yes, the SD scoring drive was a mistake but a seemingly classic one. Could be wrong but it seems I can rememebr them doing this all too often.
Richard Seymour was destroying double team and several of SD’s linemen were injured or out.
The defense was built FOR THAT SPECIFIC SCENARIO and played safety ball.
Goes against everything it means to be Al Davis Raider it seems, but like I said, seems like its too typical.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Frankly, Oaklands defense shouldn’t be on the field. Its O should be controling the clock and moving the chains and oh yeah, putting the ball in the end zone!!!
yeah the D can’t stop the run. They were designed to. If the O did its job this would have a better shot at working.
Terrible terrible offenses from 06 on…
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 pm
New Raider player’s uniform:
bhp
69
(we all know what those initials stand for)
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 pm
DANG
bhp 
took his ball and went home 
How are WE going to play now 
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Okay, you guys need to actually watch the games sometime.
Thomas Howard SUCKS. He is one of the big reasons opposing RB’s put up ridiculous yardage against the D. He almost NEVER gets into the right gap, is horrible at working off a block, and never seems to know where he is going and lacks instinct. Before making comments praising him, watch the darn game tape and see for yourselves. It’s about time this lamer got benched. Kirk Morrison doesn’t have a clue either. Oh. Howard IS great at showing off for no freaking reason, like when he makes one of those RARE tackles for a loss. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then I guess.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Nnamdi21, damn good point the pressure they have on them not to give up a play is more than they can handle on a week to week basis we just aren’t disciplined enough.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:41 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
VanH,
MAllen isn’t one-third the human being Asomugha is. Allen was just another spoiled American athlete. Nnamdi addresses global councils on a variety of issues. Not the same class of individual so not necessarily the same treatment.
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Could care less about global councils lets compare resumes whats Aso got 1 maybe 2 PB Marcus Allen a winner everywhere he went NFL MVP SB MVP and you think Aso got more pull, take him off the team what we win 3 games a year. P
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Glad to see the LB core is finally taking some heat for the horrible run D, D-Line aint great but not as bad as others seem to think.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 pm
djohnnyg Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Okay, you guys need to actually watch the games sometime.
Thomas Howard SUCKS. He is one of the big reasons opposing RB’s put up ridiculous yardage against the D. He almost NEVER gets into the right gap, is horrible at working off a block, and never seems to know where he is going and lacks instinct. Before making comments praising him, watch the darn game tape and see for yourselves. It’s about time this lamer got benched. Kirk Morrison doesn’t have a clue either. Oh. Howard IS great at showing off for no freaking reason, like when he makes one of those RARE tackles for a loss. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then I guess.
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Totally agree with you. They have three “drag down” tacklers at LB. They’re the biggest reason why the run Defence is so bad.
They need a LB who can shed blocks, and meet the runner in the hole and not go backwards. A Ray Lewis or Maualuga type.
A DT who had to be double-teamed would also help…
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:46 pm
24, yu can’t se past your own nose man, you don’t know squat about this team or it’s history your just a follower………period
Whatever the crowd says you agree with.
Nnamdi21, post #232 all great points. Rickey Brown was the spy and he just played tooo cautious he didn’t attack and that’s unlike him he normally plays aggressive but that drive he just gave up the store.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 pm
NorthernD, that’s why T Scott was inserted at OLB the coaches are trying to put as many impact players on the field as possible. Instead of these run and chase types that gives up too much extra yardage.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:52 pm
T Scott is also a guy who is a drag down tackler. They need a guy who will square up his shoulders and make the RB think twice about going full speed into the hole. A guy who will not give ground.
I like the way they’ve been using Scott lately, but his best skill is rushing the QB.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:53 pm
# DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
DKnight007
Accountability starts at the top? No accountability starts with the individual. The next time i’m late to work i’ll blame my company president and see how that goes over.
^^^^^^^Who is the moron owner HIRING and SIGNING unproven rookies to million dollar guaranteed contracts and not holding them accountable?? Which owner would reach for a #5 rated WR with the #7 pick and actually be willing to pay him big #7 money instead of drafting players ranked ahead of him or at least trading the heck down, so he would not have spend that kinda money on the #7 pick??
Only an owner/GM who doesn’t know what he is doing anymore.
Who is the out of touch owner evaluating and recruiting talent and overpaying and hiring players who are not hard workers?
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Think Singletary.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:56 pm
NorternD, at least he has that strength and we desparately need it. He is our only true edge rusher and this way they get him on the field all 3 downs instead of passing downs that way they can do more looks. Howard was tried at that position but he was physical at the point so we had to make a change.
T Scott drew a key holding penalty on Dallas to stop a drive but we went 3 and out. So much for getting the ball back.
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:58 pm
# DT42 Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:24 pm
DKnight007 Says
Davis and Cable should have made sure Russell had a personal trainer to get in the best shape of his life during the off season (espcecially with that undeserved money he makes) but they did nothing!
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Name another team that has forced a personal trainer on a player. Name one I’ll wait……………………………………………………………………..
Or maybe you were talking about a Strength and Conditioning Coach. Yeah we have one already. Along with a CBA that limits how much an organization can organize off season workouts for players.
But you do have a point about the front office and coaching staff not instilling more discipline on a team. But again even if you have a team that is clamping down on its team all you get is a team of unhappy underachievers. Until the players take control of the situation and fix things, its gonna stay the same.
^^^^^^^
I’m sure there are plenty of football players who use a personal trainer in the offseason.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:00 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
KK, if you knew football and could actually talk football instead of ignorant rhetoric someone might listen to you. Every answer is Al Davis did it. A 2 year old could make such astute observations. You sut and paste with the best of them do you have an opinion on what front we should run or what coverage? NO!!
Just piss and moan and piss and moan, it’s been great reading such outstanding football knowledge. Oh! I’m sorry you have none.
^^^^^^^^Al Davis and his sorry a$$ decision making has ruined this organization and football team.
End of story…..
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Owner is not babysitter and doesn’t hire babysitters, he pays these players tons of money at some point professionalism should come through. My boss doesn’t hold my hand to make sure I do my job he just gets another worker to do the job.
If Nnamdi has such ap problem he is being paid top dollar to lead so start leading.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 pm
At least he’s footing the bill instead of whinning and crying. I can respect someone who just works and doesn’t come out in the media and make excuses. he just works and tries to get better. Even if he fails at least he pays the frieght………
If you don’t like what you see turn the page or else get on board and take the bad with the good. No one is holding you hostage!
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:21 pm
I think I found out why Oakglenn vanished.
# Oakglenn Says:
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
MR are you drinking?? If not, whatever you are on, cut the dose. As I posted earlier, Cable is 5-7 in his last 12 and 4-4 in his last 8. Coming from a team with a .250 over the last 5+ years, that is a good trajectory. He is doing a much better job than anyone since Gruden. Might be time to get behind what this guy is preaching.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Stop begging for Oakglenn he just got smart and took some time for himself rather than deal with the same hatemongers day in day out. Untill we win or play better there really is no argument. We suck bigtime.
But I and I’m sure Oak is a trooper but right now the hatemongers have their way. Why wash yourself in that crazp. I enjoy the games and I’m sure he does as well and when we win we’ll enjoy them even more.
You haters can eat at each other we’ll just sit back and bide our time.
Oakglenn, stay down homie!!
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 pm
If Trevor Scott’s agent wants a long term deal, he should Al every day and say, ” He kinda reminds you of a young Ted Hendricks, don’t ya think Al?”
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Priest
Was that you cleaning Al Davis’ shoes in front of 75 people?
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 pm
But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
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Priest, was that you?
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:53 pm
But Davis’s abuses of power have become increasingly visible. For example, after practice it is customary for him to enter the equipment room, drop a towel on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his shoes. “I saw him make someone wipe his shoes in front of 75 people,” says Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan, who coached the Raiders in 1988 and was fired four games into the ‘89 season.
………..
Now its customary for Al to enter the bathroom, drop his diaper on the floor and wait for an employee to clean his ass.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Priest – I’m a follower? Of what? Losing? No, I’m not a follower of losing so I come up with my own opinion that losing sucks and here we are today. You’re a follower of Al Davis, are you going to dispute that? I would rather be a follower of the 28,011 people that have signed the petition on http://www.MessageToAl.com which is probably more than the current attendance at the football games. Gee, I wonder why the attendance is so low Priest? Could it be all the winning we’re involved in and the people are so excited, they just can’t keep their butts in the seats? Come on man…pull your head out.
December 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Priest’s not going to answer, lol. Too funny.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 am
KK, move on man it’s boring as always. No tune never changes. Al is mean Al is nasty Al… Al… Al Hate hate hate!!
I’m going to enjoy the games wether you and the rest like it or not.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 am
Lol, you enjoy losing?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 am
I guess you do.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 am
Priest – Its funny how you say Nnamdi is getting paid to lead so he should start leading but as soon as he speaks up about his displeasure regarding the defense which is leadership by the way, you shut him down. Nnamdi is great for a reason and hes obviously very educated so if he sees something wrong with the defense and hes the best person to ask since he actually plays on the defense and is the best player, don’t you think he has some credibility? If he doesn’t have credibility, nobody does. How is he supposed to help the team get better if hes not allowed to voice his opinion?
I understand Al pays him money and I understand Al drafted him in the 1st round. Al Davis made a great draft pick obviously but he shouldn’t get mad if Asomugha feels like this team needs a certain change as he has every right to step up and say something but you probably won’t understand any of this will you?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 am
People can do as they wish I have no problem with that, you want sign a petition good for you.
I do what I wish and you can do the same.
get 2 million names who cares as far as i’m concerned I’ll stick and stay until we get better. My Choice.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:06 am
Priest – You think we’re boring but you can actually watch the Raider games on Sunday? Are you kidding me? You don’t find that boring in any way? There has been little that is exciting about this team. If you seriously enjoy watching what you see, you’re confused. I don’t enjoy watching the Raiders get their butts handed to them every Sunday or Thursday or Monday but you just go along with it, just like a follower, following the Raiders as they ride off the cliff and you go right along behind it…follow follow follow….boring boring boring.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:08 am
Priest
That’s fine, I can respect that. You call everybody uninformed, which is a bit condecending, but hey, go down with him.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:08 am
Priest – We’re not just going to sit until we get better. We’re going to try to do something that may or may not help us get better but its better than being stubborn and forcing yourself to watch the television with disgust. The people who are petitioning are fans, don’t you get it? We aren’t people wishing bad upon the Raiders, we’re signing this thing in hopes that it somehow, gets a message across about how we believe this team should be better because we want it to be better.
28,000 people want the Raiders to succeed, thats what this is about.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:09 am
Priest
That’s fine, I can respect that. You call everybody uninformed, which is a bit condecending, but hey, go down with him.
Just Go!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 am
Hell…even this guy from Pennsylvania who started this protest and put up the billboard will be going to his 1st Raiders game in Oakland against the Ravens so despite his protest, hes going to pay for a ticket and go to the game. He wants us to win and hes even willing to pay for a ticket and go.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 am
Nnamdi can say whatever he wants stop puttng words in my mouth man. No one is against Nnamdi or any other player speaking his mind but he is also getting a ton of money to lead same as any other players making tp dollar in the league.
I’ve never believe any player should not speak up if he feels he’s right. But he has to take whatever heat comes with that. Past players spoke up all the time from Matt Millen to Gene upshaw to Marcus to TIm and Nnamdi and Charles Woodson are no different.
That’s what I mean you don’t know this team or the history all you know is what you hear. I just want him to lead these young players the same way Rod and others did him.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 am
You can tell the public to f-off when you’re winning, maybe.
But it’s a no-no when your losing, no?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:13 am
I’m a Raider fan something you will never understand……..period I’m not a fair weather fan this is my team my family so to speak.
You’re just a crowd pleaser!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:14 am
It’s up to 28,000 signatures, now? That’s the average Raider attendance! This kid from Erie just created a nation as big as Al’s in a week’s time. And this is just the beginning. More money is certain to roll in now, which means more billboards.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 am
Priesttj Says:
Past players spoke up all the time from Matt Millen to Gene upshaw
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They spoke up about what?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 am
You’re right, priest, we’re not fans. So what? What are you going to do? Just continue not calling us real fans? I’ve already admitted to you I won’t be a fan again till Al’s gone. I don’t root for the team anymore. I simply know they’re going to lose anyway. Sue me.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 am
Priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:13 am
I’m a Raider fan something you will never understand……..period I’m not a fair weather fan this is my team my family so to speak.
You’re just a crowd pleaser!
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You’re just a guy who cleans Al Davis’ shoes, no?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 am
Then go somewhere else KK, o one is stopping you why continue to whine and cry if you know it wpont get better find another team man…….take your lap dog(24) with you.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 am
MR, I couldn’t care less about man. I wasn’t even addressing you. Do what you like.
You aint a fan anyway, no big loss!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 am
Priest
Was that you cleaning Davis’ shoes?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 am
Priest – A crowd pleaser? Man you make me laugh. Yes Priest, this is my show and I’m soaking in the sun. I’m just feeding on all this attention, I have become so incredibly popular I just can’t stand it any longer.
You are such a dumb mother effer man. I swear. You’re speaking your opinion and you’re following Al Davis, I’m speaking my opinion and I’ve been preaching the Anti Al Davis for about the 2 years that I have been on this blog and thats way before this billboard idea ever came about. Dude, everything I have been saying has been consistent over these last couple years and its no shock that its all coming to fruition and things are finally starting to happen. I hate to say I was right but…I was right and all the people who now see the truth are jumping onto the ship of reality but not you, you know the Raiders history. Well good for you.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 am
Priest – I swear you must be gagging on Al Davis with all this worship.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
Priest
Do you have a vested interest in the Raiders losing?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 am
That’s your right, I’m a Raider Fan who understnds what that means, you’re a neophyte wannabe trying t find a cause. So keep pissing in the wind.
I don’t relate to you and you don’t relate to me. And that’s a good thing!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:25 am
Whatever I’m doing why do you care should you be signing up somehwere else. Or work on another petition.lol that’ll keep ya’ busy!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:26 am
Priest
Do you have a vested interest in the Raiders losing? Or an emotional one, was that you cleaning Davis’ shoes?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:28 am
Priest – Oh I’m sorry…was I bothering you? Were you busy? You have have so much time on your hands with all those recorded games of losing football on your DVR. Or were you and Al having an intimate moment with each other? Shouldn’t you take a break from this blog so you can attend to him? I’m sure he loves to have such loyal people like you around to rub his shoulders.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:28 am
priest, why are you giving people orders in here? Who do you think you are? Do you honestly think anyone here is going to leave because you say so?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am
KK, the Detroit Lions are waiting on your membership fees as well. See ya’
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 am
24, go rally some more troops for another petition. Call ralph barbieri he’s got some great ideas. lol
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:32 am
Then keep whinning and crying, your choice!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:34 am
Priest – Your brain is still in the 1970’s. You should really watch the news or read the newspaper for the current news in the world. Did you know we just had our first black president? Isn’t that amazing? Oh you didn’t know? By the way, you know how the Raiders were good? I’m sorry to break the news to you but they’re not what they were in the 1970’s. I know this is all a big shock to you but I thought you should know.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:36 am
Don’t worry about me boy! but be real concerned about yourself. You keep following people like you do they’ll lead you off a cliff.
Petition!! damn fool!! lol
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 am
Well…its time for bed. I’m exhausted after all this work dealing with the special needs person on this blog. Taking care of the lost and confused isn’t easy.
Peace.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 am
From Poole’s recent article:
“More intriguingly, one multimillionaire sports figure who does not wish to be identified has several times over the past 18 months expressed an unwavering curiosity. A longtime fan of the team, he is displeased about its decline and, moreover, says he is in contact with one or more billionaires with a DEFINITE interest.”
Anyone want to take a crack at it?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:39 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:37 am
From Poole’s recent article:
“More intriguingly, one multimillionaire sports figure who does not wish to be identified has several times over the past 18 months expressed an unwavering curiosity. A longtime fan of the team, he is displeased about its decline and, moreover, says he is in contact with one or more billionaires with a DEFINITE interest.”
Anyone want to take a crack at it?
Tiger Woods
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:40 am
Priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:29 am
KK, the Detroit Lions are waiting on your membership fees as well. See ya’
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Lol. OOOOoooh how horrible, lol.
Nah, were going to throw Al Davis out instead. And all his little cockroaches/shoe/shiners. Lol.
Gnite fellas.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:43 am
Tiger Woods was just involved with a violent domestic incident. He’s perfect for us!
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:04 am
IDK…
Who is it?
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:16 am
Judging from the marks on Tiger’s face, it looks like he took the worst of it. Apparently he hasn’t learned the “Tom Cable way” of dealing with women.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:19 am
I don’t know either. Actually, Tiger Woods is a good guess. He’s a billionaire sports figure and a Raider fan. You made your guesstimate checking off the list of all of our clues. You must be an FBI agent.
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Nnamdi21,
Howard lost his starting job to Trevor Scot.
Howard was behind Williams.
Listen to Cable’s words about the change.
Howard is done in Oakland….along with Morrison.
We have no linebacking corps.
This team is as bad as it ever has been.
We need:
QB
RB (probably 1 since Bush is on the outs and DMAC is brittle)
WR (Need at least 1)
FB
RT
RG
C
DT (2) – Kelly & Warren get paid way too much
MLB
SLB
WLB
NB
FS (Huff ain’t worth his escalator next yr…just avg)
My friends…that a team that hasn’t even begun to rebuild. Oh and the most expensive roster in the league….Good Lawd
It might damn well be 10 yrs of double digit losing.
Davis needs to hear about the billboard….if nothing else maybe it will spark him to think creatively.
This perpetual offseason is tiring.
So who will post their 1st mock draft?
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i’m working on the mock draft…
last year was an opportunity to get normal with the transitions…
we did not need receivers nearly as much as we needed linemen… we did not need tweeners… to small to be ends, too slow to be backers… and we certainly did not need a 2nd round safety who barely plays…
so now we are actually in a position where we need to rebuild… we are actually worse off than we were after the Super Bowl…
imaging that… we need to rebuild from a losing team that has more holes in it than ever…
had we taken a MLB (Jaspar Brinkley) we could have moved Morrison outside to see what he could do there…
now Morrison is in his contract year and we probably should let him go free agent…
Howard’s contract is up too… why he suddenly isn’t playing is a mystery to me…
but… my philosophy is that it all starts up front… so hopefully we will do this year what we should have done last year…
but we are now at the beginning of rebuilding this team…
what a disaster this team has become…
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:33 am
the raiders used to have a scouting department…
now i think we just look at the waiver wire and say:
oh, i heard of him… he must be good…
or…
hey didn’t he play in the super bowl???
sign him up… give him what he wants…
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:55 am
we are at a point where no matter what we do… we will be laughed at…
so… i say lets bring in Ricky Ray from Canada to QB for us next year… Jamarcus should be released…
M Bush needs to be our featured back…
Hey-Bey needs to be sitting on the bench until he proves he can catch… move him to the practice squad and see if anyone is stupid enough to pick him up…
Our promary recievers should be Schillens, Higgins, Murphy… their backups should be FA rookies out of small colleges WHO CAN CATCH THE FREAKING BALL…
Henderson and Gallery are good to go on the O line… we need a new center (Wisneiwski?) and a ROT and OG…
Carlisle Barnes Satelle all need to go…
Seymour is going to be hugely expensive to resign… we probably shouldn’t do that…
as a junior GM, my personal goal would be to cut the payroll by 1/3… from 150M to 100M…
it seems our highest paid players are the ones who can’t or don’t perform… that has to change…
the politics has to go…
the culture has to change…
we need a Cowher, a Fisher or a Gruden who can come in here and take charge…
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:24 am
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December 3rd, 2009 at 4:57 am
ATTENTION: D242
good job last night
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:58 am
ATTENTION 4EVA:
I hope you are ok
I have been worried about you ever since you traded Chris Johnson for a has been, a wannabee, and a never will be.
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 am
Good Morning nation!!!
I remember that day in 2006 really well! The year after they won their 5th SB and the parking lot had a few Steeler fans in there broadcasting their 5 championships. During the game, I was wondering how in the heck we played like that, especially on D. I think Walter had a net 16 yards passing, but yeah…if it wasn’t for our defense picking off Big Ben twice for 6…we would have been 1-15! And yup…last time we won…that year!
December 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,A HARD HITTING GAME AT THE STEELER’S,PROBABLY LOW SCORING,WE SHALL SEE…
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:09 am
POST-294,EVERYONE THROW’S NAME’S AROUND,I HEARD TOM HANK’S A YEAR OR SO AGO SAY HE WOULD NOT MIND BEING PART OF AN OWNERSHIP GROUP..
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 am
we need Greg Ellis in this game.
we had no pass rush without him against Dallas. Richard Seymour was invisable!
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:40 am
Plunketthead:
Thanks but i’m really busy right now. My CEO saw DKnights comments and called me last night and demanded that i hire a personal trainer. I told her that i would get around to it and that i’ll be 6 hours late to work and that was her fault.
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:44 am
WHAT DO U THINK ABOUT BLITZING ROCKSTAR?EVEN AN AL OUT ,WITH NnAMDI ONCE IN A WHILE,LESTER HAYS USED 2 B HELL ON THOSE THINGS.YES THAT WAS THEN..
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:46 am
i hate it when the Raiders play physical football teams.
remember when we played the Giants, Jets. Broncos & Cowboys? team that run the ball & play good defense.
we got blown out and punched in the mouth in each of those games. our lines aren’t strong enough and it shows.
maybe we can take advantage of their over aggressiveness? try some trick plays!
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:46 am
Oh, that is why Lester was my favorite Raider!!! The real #37!!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:54 am
I like it when we send Routt on a blitz, because he’s fast and he sucks as a cover man. we should also blitz with Trevor Scott, he knows how to get after the QB.
Pittsburg hasn’t had the same O-Line since Alan Faneca left in free agency. Still, they’ve been just good enough to get the job done
I expect the Steelers to have at least 30 rushing attempts in this game. they had 30 against KC & 35 against Baltimore. only 16 against Cincy (all losses)
they will try to protect Big Ben by limiting his pass attempts
Dallas had almost 200 rushing yards on us in only 24 attempts with 3 different backs. yikes!
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:55 am
better get some work done here. later fellas
carpe diem!
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:57 am
U SHOULD MAKE A FEW FINANCIAL MOVES AND BUY THE TEAM ROCKSTAR..
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:28 am
welp, it has been 2 days, and still, no GM. tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tap-tap
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:43 am
LMAO!
Oh man, last nights fight between 24, KK, MR and BHP was classic!
When I read 24’s posts I pictured Hawkeye Pierce and when I read BHP’s posts I pictured Frank Burns!
ROFLMFA!
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:15 am
ND just called and offered me the HC job….I told them thanks, but no thanks.
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:19 am
“European scientists have successfully built a brain-controlled bionic hand that could be used to kill or maim hundreds of humans in the coming robot versus humans’ civil war. Or, far more admirably, allow amputees to feel hand sensations and manipulate their limb–via the brain–as if it were still there.”
lol
Gotta love a reporter with a sense of humor!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10408139-1.html
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:48 am
Greg Papa on Chonicle live yesterday threw Nnamdi under the bus. After showing Nnamdis comments Papa said “why did Nnamdi take that big contract if he didnt want to play here”
Nice going Papa, tear a page out of the Oakglen/MR blogging handbook where you knowingly misquote the guy to make your case.
Papa you are nothing but a koolaid drinking nutsack of a fool. Admit AL is ruining the franchise or STFU you jack a$$!
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:54 am
Nnamdi could have receive a big contract anywhere, instead he chose to stay with the Raiders and try for a turnaround. Now he is speaking up and trying to get things situated he is suddenly the enemy to the Al Davuis puppets.
What a fukin joke. Anyone that wants to try and help with this situation are just treaded on and told to STFU. Sad sad situation and it just goes to show what a joke this franchise has become.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 am
True.
Papa also tried to assert that because Miles Austin got over on Nnamdi on Thanksgiving thats the reason why he is speaking out.
I guess Greg forgot about Nnamdi telling the media that Marshall said he would get yelled at after the Philly game for calling blitzes.
Nnamdi is frustrated at this mess year after year and Papa needs to grow a pair or shut his hole.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
You know there are several pro football teams in the NFL and even a few in Canada. If you hate my Raiders so bad why not just walk away. Why put yourselves through so much if you believe my Raiders are that bad of a team. The Raiders could go on losing for many more years and I still would not consider my team a joke. The joke is whining and complaining about a team that you consider a joke, but your a fan of at the same time. Stop torturing yourselves. Just jump ship and never look back. We got to many fans in Raider Nation as it is anyway.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 am
BAG, are you serious? so you are content with what is going on? Going on 7 years of double digit losses. And before that, we where terrible minus the gruden/gannon years? Please tell me you are not serious, that you are content with the losing culture in Oakland and will continue putting up with it. wow. I am flabbergasted.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:24 am
Al needs more fans like BAG. Put the blinders on, drink the kool aid, spend money on the raiders.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 am
BAG…
i can see your heart is in the right place…
but you need to buy a brain…
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:30 am
Big AL has played a major role in the downward spiral of the Raiders since 2003 because he allowed mainstream thinking to take over his winning philosophy concerning how the team should have been built. Theses bad past few years are the direct product of the Youth Movement. Plug re-loading here and there and re-building through the draft. Look at the roster, most (majority) of the team was drafted by the Raiders as of 2003. Sure Big AL can pick-out a great athlete every now and then, but he has never drafted basically an entire team.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:31 am
The downward spiral started way before 2003.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
1986 8-8
1987 5-10
1988 7-9
1989 8-8
1992 7-9
1995 8-8
1995 7-9
1996 7-9
1997 4-12
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
Primus,
It’s not about being content. And it’s hilarious how you conviently excluded the quote, unquote Gruden gannon years like the Raiders had nothing to do with it. And how were we terrible before that period when we still had one of the highest winning pct. in the NFL and my Raiders were a playoff team during Art Shell pt.1. Also 7 years is not the end of the world for a football team. The N.O. Saints that everyone seems to love all of a sudden went well over a decade before the team finished with a .500 record. It took them (the Saints) over 2 decades before the team finished with a winning record. The Saints didn’t when their first playoff game until 2000 and they’ve been around since 1967. Now the Saints are undefeated and people act like they have a winning tradition.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 am
A new day, a new billboard and the same old Raiders.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 am
I don’t call 8-8 a downward spiral. 4-12, 5-11, 2-14, etc. 7-9, 8-8 would look great to me right about now.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 am
BAG, Al did hire gruden. But do you think Al would have signed off on Gannon on his own? I say gannon/gruden together, cause i think one could not have done what they did with the raiders had the other one not been there. Gruden brought gannon in and also cut a lot of the Al scholarship players. Gruden was the last coach we had that coached with little interference from Al. That is just my opinion, but the records speak for themselves.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:48 am
29,135 Petitions have been signed overnight as the number was at 28,011. To think, there are plenty of people who haven’t signed. By the time we’re done, we could actually fill a full stadium compared to what Al Davis can do. Al has never been very good in the advertising and marketing department, maybe he can take a few notes?
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:48 am
I agree on the 7-9 and the 8-8. but back when the raiders where great, 7-9 or 8-8 would be even worse than 4-12 or 2-14 is now. that is how far the Raiders have slid as an organization.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 am
Al Davis obviously knew about Gannon but I don’t think he would have signed him without Gruden asking him. Gannon was nothing like the Al Davis choice of Jeff George but we’re lucky that Al Davis gave the ok to Gruden on his QB and it worked out great for everyone. If only Al would let more smart decisions take over without him trying to get overly involved all the time.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
Theres talk that Holmgren will come back to Seattle in a GM position and hire Gruden as his Head Coach.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Mistabrown Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 am
True.
Papa also tried to assert that because Miles Austin got over on Nnamdi on Thanksgiving thats the reason why he is speaking out.
I guess Greg forgot about Nnamdi telling the media that Marshall said he would get yelled at after the Philly game for calling blitzes.
Nnamdi is frustrated at this mess year after year and Papa needs to grow a pair or shut his hole.”
Actually Papa is right about one thing, Austin took it to Nnamdi many times in that game and Nnamdi got burned. Nnamdi has also missed quite a few tackles this year. Both have nothing to do with scheme.
Not saying he is making excuses, but he certainly has looked less than “All-Pro” this year. Honestly I am surprised that more teams haven’t been picking on him. The Cowboys exposed him somewhat.
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:58 am
24 Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
Theres talk that Holmgren will come back to Seattle in a GM position and hire Gruden as his Head Coach.”
Would Seattle be willing to buyout the contract that Gruden just signed with ESPN?
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:59 am
Dakota
Drinking Henny at halftime? That explains a lot…
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 am
RaiderDogg – I’m sure the contract with ESPN is chump change compared to what NFL teams dish out on a regular basis. I don’t think it would be all that expensive for Seattle to handle honestly. In my opinion, Gruden was simply securing a future for himself in case a Head Coaching job didn’t become available and I’m sure ESPN would understand if he left as thats what he does well and hes still young.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
I don’t think it was a matter of Asomugha getting exposed so much as Miles Austin is becoming a really good player. Look at his stats this season, hes really a force. He is a great route runner and it helps him gain separation. Asomugha has been almost perfect the last 2 years but not every year is going to be perfect and hes still gonna make mistakes like anybody else. Its like having a great Defensive End get 14 sacks one season and the next season getting 5. Being perfect every season is hard to do, now if he was terrible for 7 seasons in a row, we might have something.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
What’s quite humorous is watching those few “I LOVE AL, AND NOTHING HE DOES IS EVER WRONG” posters now face the reality that it’s NOT just the few handfuls of posters on this site that think Al is destroying the organization, but it’s a HUGE amount of Raider fans who are voicing their displeasure, and have done it in a manner that has gotten attention across the country.
The signed list grows daily.
The threads on each and every Raider message board, that are in full agreement with the billboard, are multiplying.
Yet you still have the whimpering wonders, the Priests, the SilverNSmac, the Alisgod’s, who insist on perfecting the “I’M A LEMMING, AND PROUD OF IT” bit.
“quit picking on Al…stop it…STOP IT!!!!!”
rather entertaining, actually
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:17 am
Miles Austin
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=10147
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:18 am
Wassup Nation!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
# RaiderDogg Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:58 am
24 Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
Theres talk that Holmgren will come back to Seattle in a GM position and hire Gruden as his Head Coach.”
Would Seattle be willing to buyout the contract that Gruden just signed with ESPN?
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I would SERIOUSLY doubt that Holmgren is interested in that. Never know, but highly doubt it.
Holdgren’s was hired under HIS stipulations that he be in total control of everything, which he was.
As the Seahawk’s struggled, Paul Allen took away Holmgren’s GM duties, something that was needed, but nonetheless, he resented.
Holmgren can pretty much handpick where he wants to go.
No doubt Seattle will gladly take him back, but I suspect he’s left that chapter behind him.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
24
I imagine that ESPN was well aware of Gruden’s desire to return to coaching one day and would have been pretty stupid not to include some kind of buyout clause, especially when you consider the language of the deal, which continually mentions the word “exclusivity”. If Gruden wants out of the deal my bet is that the buyout will be more than chump change. Especially if it is sooner rather than later.
ESPN, as a company, knows exactly what they are doing.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
RaiderDogg – Do you think that ESPN wanted Gruden more than Gruden wanted ESPN?
On that note, I’ll be back later. Peace.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:27 am
24 Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
I don’t think it was a matter of Asomugha getting exposed so much as Miles Austin is becoming a really good player. Look at his stats this season, hes really a force. He is a great route runner and it helps him gain separation. Asomugha has been almost perfect the last 2 years but not every year is going to be perfect and hes still gonna make mistakes like anybody else. Its like having a great Defensive End get 14 sacks one season and the next season getting 5. Being perfect every season is hard to do, now if he was terrible for 7 seasons in a row, we might have something.”
The reason Nnamdi has been near perfect is because no team throws his way. The last few years he has only been targeted a handful of times, the numbers bear this out. This year teams have been throwing at him much more and he hasn’t responded well. Also Austin is good but I have seen him get shut down a few times this year. Nnamdi should have been able to shut him down and he didn’t.
He is one of the highest paid players in the league and how many picks does he have? I am all about results and so far they have been mixed all season when it comes to Nnamdi.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 am
BAG…
i can see your heart is in the right place…
but you need to buy a brain…
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LMAO
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
Picks are way overrated.= Deangelo HAll
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
24 Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
RaiderDogg – Do you think that ESPN wanted Gruden more than Gruden wanted ESPN?
On that note, I’ll be back later. Peace.”
Honestly I think they wanted to lock him up before someone could scoop him up. They signed a new deal with a healthy buyout, knowing that one day he would leave and that would be money back in their pocket for services already rendered. They knew he would eventually leave and they made sure that they would benefit from it, if and when that would happen. Pretty smart actually. First rule of business is to CYA, Cover Your Ass!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
Dogg,
I did see the Artest reports of course, lol. I wonder what he currently takes at halftime?!?!?!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
# BAG Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
You know there are several pro football teams in the NFL and even a few in Canada. If you hate my Raiders so bad why not just walk away. Why put yourselves through so much if you believe my Raiders are that bad of a team. The Raiders could go on losing for many more years and I still would not consider my team a joke. The joke is whining and complaining about a team that you consider a joke, but your a fan of at the same time. Stop torturing yourselves. Just jump ship and never look back. We got to many fans in Raider Nation as it is anyway.
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“if you believe my Raiders are that bad”
“If you hate my Raiders”
Lol..dude..you need a reality check. They aren’t YOUR Raiders. Yeah yeah..blah blah..”I LOVE THEM, THEY’RE MINE”..no, they’re not.
Al has stated he considers you, being a fan, as being not worthy of him even talking to.
However, he does love your money, so, by all means, appease him, and send. Paypal works.
Oh..and the “We got to many fans in Raider Nation as it is anyway.”
Uh…and where might they be?
Facts are the Raiders have the least amount of “SUPPORTING FANS” in the NFL..and that number is dwindling, year by year.
Sounds like you’re in some serious denial.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:33 am
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
Dogg,
I did see the Artest reports of course, lol. I wonder what he currently takes at halftime?!?!?!”
He is clearly self medicating himself to keep himself in check. He’s mellowed out somewhat, choosing to sip a little wine at half…
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 am
If you guys were a GM, would you welcome Charlie Weiss and Clausen???
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
Bills and Beavers today (take the points)
Those are your daily winners provided by yours truly.
And Artest is a liar, and a moron, or more likely a combination of both. Even more reason to hate the Lakers. As if nobody would have smelled the booze on him. It’s henny for crist sakes!!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:34 am
If you guys were a GM, would you welcome Charlie Weiss and Clausen???”
What about Urban Meyer, Tim Tebow and throw in Brandon Spikes?
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
vegas raider Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
Bills and Beavers today (take the points)
Those are your daily winners provided by yours truly.
And Artest is a liar, and a moron, or more likely a combination of both. Even more reason to hate the Lakers. As if nobody would have smelled the booze on him. It’s henny for crist sakes!!!”
The smell of the Hypnotique that he was mixing it with, covered the smell of the Henny.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
I’ll take Spikes, but I’m a little iffy on the others.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
Incredible Hulks!!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
DMAC,
As a ND fan, I would certainly welcome Weis as OC and Clausen, but only if he goes back to school for his senior season…
Junior QBs = 87% failure rate (stat totally made up, but seems about right, lol)
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 am
Artest should just switch to gin and juice.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
Weiss is fat and Clausen’s own fans punch him in the face.
I’ll pass on both.
Fassell and Losman/Gradkowski in 2010.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Vegas knows
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
Kirk Ferentz for HC, Weis for OC!
Just win baby!
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 am
Oh, Ferentz makes $3 million per season at Iowa…Al only pays his HC $2 million or so…
That salary structure rules out almost every legit candidate…
fuk you Al
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 am
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
Kirk Ferentz for HC, Weis for OC!
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That’s actually a pretty good combo, but it will never happen.
One can dream I guess.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 am
Zack Crockett for HC, Weis for OC.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:51 am
Al you blow millions on guys like Kelly, Walker, Hall and Wilson, but you won’t pay your fuking coaching staff?
And then you sit back an wonder why you can’t get a decent coach to even give you the time of day.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:53 am
Zack Crockett as HC…why not, couldn’t be worse than the Wife Beating Buffoon! lol
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 am
I actually heard a pretty good debate yesterday about how the Steelers might be favored more with Dixon at QB than Ben. I don’t believe it, but they made a pretty convincing argument.
Dixon scrambles, Raiders aren’t discplined enough to stop it. Ben takes too many sacks, the Raiders aren’t going to score anyways…..
I still haven’t seen a line. I am sticking with -16.5 with Ben and -13 with Dixon.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
24 Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 am
RaiderDogg – I’m sure the contract with ESPN is chump change compared to what NFL teams dish out on a regular basis. I don’t think it would be all that expensive for Seattle to handle honestly. In my opinion, Gruden was simply securing a future for himself in case a Head Coaching job didn’t become available and I’m sure ESPN would understand if he left as thats what he does well and hes still young.
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Gruden is also collecting the 3 yrs remaining on his Tampa Bay contract revised before the season he was fired @ $5 mil per season Bruce Allen is collecting 4 years. Would take $10 mil to get Gruden to Seattle.
Dead issue. Same situation with Shanahan.
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:59 am
Go Lakers and Cognac, your halftime entertainment.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:00 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
24 Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:07 am
RaiderDogg – I’m sure the contract with ESPN is chump change compared to what NFL teams dish out on a regular basis. I don’t think it would be all that expensive for Seattle to handle honestly. In my opinion, Gruden was simply securing a future for himself in case a Head Coaching job didn’t become available and I’m sure ESPN would understand if he left as thats what he does well and hes still young.
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Gruden is also collecting the 3 yrs remaining on his Tampa Bay contract revised before the season he was fired @ $5 mil per season Bruce Allen is collecting 4 years. Would take $10 mil to get Gruden to Seattle.
Dead issue. Same situation with Shanahan.
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Not only that, but Adam Shefty Shefter is reporting that Gruden’s contract specifically forbids him leaving ESPN for an NFL job in 2010…ESPN can keep him no matter what.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:02 am
Shefty also said with the very good possibility of a work stoppage in 2011, we may very well have seen the last of Gruden on the sidelines in the NFL…
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
Dakota and EXLA
Thanks for backing up my posts with actual facts and numbers. I knew that Gruden wouldn’t be going anywhere until at least 2011.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
2012. 2011 is a lockout year. They won’t coach replacement players.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:07 am
That’s why AD’s Oakland extension in reality is a 2 yr not 3 yr deal.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
….and the world ends in 2012…
Breaking News:
After suffering multiple setbacks in their efforts to creat a high energy collision of protons or lead nuclei scientists working on the Large Hadron Collider have set a new date for their first expected high energy collision; December 21, 2012.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
2012. 2011 is a lockout year. They won’t coach replacement players.
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Oakland has been playing with replacement players for 7 years now…and replacement coaches too!
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
Let’s trade our first round pick for Urlacher. We need some toughness on this team.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
Let’s trade our first round pick for Urlacher. We need some toughness on this team.
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How many times does it have to be proven, that no player is going to make a difference here?
If you can’t find a way to use Randy Moss, god help ya.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Nnamdi could have receive a big contract anywhere, instead he chose to stay with the Raiders and try for a turnaround.
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Dakota: Nnamdi makes an average of $15 million per season here. that contract made him the highest paid defensive player in the league at the time
I don’t think Champ Bailey even makes $10 million per season. Asante Samuel does and he was the highest paid CB before Nnamdi
Al paid about $4-5 million per season more than a playoff calibur team like New England would have got him for. I thought that was a stupid move personally. corners are dime a dozen with a good pass rush in most schemes. when your defense can’t stop the run and your QB is an embarrassment you have no chance to win games and paying that much for 1 player makes no sense. Shane Lechler was a better investment imo. for what we paid Nnamdi we could have signed 2 or 3 quality football players on the OL or DL (if they were willing to play here)
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
Urlacher has been injury prone and He is out for the season. 5 years ago, sure, but now, no.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
We need help everywhere, but I’m tired of seeing Captain Kirk get pushed around. We need a leader on the D.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 am
RaiderRockStar, Al puts a premium on CB’s and will pay higher than other teams would pay. ie. Deangelo Hall. This is why i fear we are gonna take eric berry or taylor mays this year. Al cannot pass on freaks in the defensive backfield.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
No doubt DMAC. Kirk and howard would also have more room to work if our D line dominated a little more. so, it is a domino effect.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
….and the world ends in 2012…
Breaking News:
After suffering multiple setbacks in their efforts to creat a high energy collision of protons or lead nuclei scientists working on the Large Hadron Collider have set a new date for their first expected high energy collision; December 21, 2012.
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I am taking donations to put up a billboard to tell them to stop.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
Primus,
Agreed. Routt & Eugene are in the last years of their contracts and Bowie is already gone. Huff is due to make over $5 million next year
the writing is on the wall..
Taylor Mays to Oakland in the Top 10
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:28 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:22 am
We need help everywhere, but I’m tired of seeing Captain Kirk get pushed around. We need a leader on the D.
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I think you’re getting it twisted.
Nnamdi 2009:
“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha said. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations. And teams know that, so communication can break down sometimes, just because we’ll see what other teams in the league won’t see, because of the nature of our defense, so it doesn’t matter what week it is.
“That stuff can happen in Week 16 if you’re not adjusting and you’re not adapting to who you’re playing against.”
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 am
i wonder how many would still be Raider fans if Al Davis found a way to clone himself. When he finally passes away his clone will take over and a fresh 35 year old Al Davis will take over the team, like in 1963. Then he’ll run the team for 45+ years …
LOL
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 am
Raiderrockstar, i also agree that we could have singed 2 or 3 lineman with the cash Aso got. I do not get why we do not build up our lines and keep putting cheap ass band aids on them…
Other problems we will have with free agents because of the losing culture is, we will have to pay more money for them to come here.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
Have you seen Kirk get blowned up play after play. There is no scheme to stopping the run. Just play your gap and make the damn tackle.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
Shed off blockers every now and then.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
Primus says:
BAG, Al did hire gruden. But do you think Al would have signed off on Gannon on his own? I say gannon/gruden together, cause i think one could not have done what they did with the raiders had the other one not been there. Gruden brought gannon in and also cut a lot of the Al scholarship players. Gruden was the last coach we had that coached with little interference from Al. That is just my opinion, but the records speak for themselves.
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Gruden went 8-8 his first year with the AL scholarship players as most like to call them. You want to say Gannon was all Gruden and AL had nothing to do with it. Fine, ignore AL’s history of resurrecting veteran journeyman QB’s careers. Prior to coming to the Raiders Gannon’s years with the Redskins were horrible and his time with the Chefs was not that great either. Gannon comes to the Raiders and he becomes relevant. But don’t think that was all Gannon. Gannon have quite a few solid veteran pieces around him to say the least. I wouldn’t mind a Gruden return, but I don’t think the problem is the coach. People talk continuity, but they whine for a new coach every year.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
Just a little humor before I go for a while:
You knew it wouldn’t take long…lol.
One:
Tiger Woods is so rich that he owns lots of expensive cars. Now he has a hole in one.
Two:
What’s the difference between a car and a golf ball? Tiger can drive a ball 400 yards.
Three:
Tiger Woods wasn’t seriously injured in the crash, but he’s still below par.
Four:
What were Tiger Woods and his wife doing out at 2.30 in the morning? They went clubbing
Five:
Tiger Woods crashed into a fire hydrant and a tree. He couldn’t decide between a wood and an iron.
Six:
Perhaps Tiger should be using a driver?
Seven:
This is the first time Tiger’s ever failed to drive 300 yards
Eight:
Apparently, Tiger admitted this crash was the closest shave he’s ever had. So Gillette has dropped his contract.
Nine:
After a wayward drive, Tiger Woods found water before nestling behind a tree
Ten:
Apparently, the only person who can beat Tiger Woods with a golf club is his wife
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
Kirk Morrison won the MLB job this offseason for 3 reasons:
1. he grew up a Raiders fan and the ppl in his family are diehard fans too
2. he always totes the company line
3. he’s faster than Ricky Brown
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:39 am
Put him back on the strong side.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:41 am
Ricky Brown proved to be a better vocal leader and defensive QB in both OTA’s & camp. got guys in their gaps and made sure they knew their assignments
he also proved to be a better tackler. good instincts
Kirk was injured and still started Week 1 at MLB over Ricky Brown. weird
Brown may not be an all-pro, but the thought of an undrafted guy besting your 4 year starter at MLB speaks volumes imo
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
back to work. later fellas
carpe diem!
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:47 am
We need leaders on this team!
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:48 am
Instead of looking at each other after their opponent scores a TD. Someone needs to get chewed out or checked.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
Richochet says:
“if you believe my Raiders are that bad”
“If you hate my Raiders”
Lol..dude..you need a reality check. They aren’t YOUR Raiders. Yeah yeah..blah blah..”I LOVE THEM, THEY’RE MINE”..no, they’re not.
Al has stated he considers you, being a fan, as being not worthy of him even talking to.
However, he does love your money, so, by all means, appease him, and send. Paypal works.
Oh..and the “We got to many fans in Raider Nation as it is anyway.”
Uh…and where might they be?
Facts are the Raiders have the least amount of “SUPPORTING FANS” in the NFL..and that number is dwindling, year by year.
Sounds like you’re in some serious denial.
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Dude, I can claim any team that I want to claim. I am a Raider fan and will always be a Raider Fan. Newsflash: Your not required to come to Raider blogs. Thus, you don’t have to come to a Raider blogs. There are several SF forty-whiners blogs that you can go and hang out on. But hey, it’s a free country so if hanging out with Raider fans on a Raider blog proclaiming to not be a Raider fan get’s you through the day so be it. Whatever floats your boat, dude.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
For failing an assignment.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am
The last time Davis sold a portion of the team was in 2007, when he added three minority partners. They are considerably younger than the other partners; they did not, according to the Raiders, receive an option to buy.
They probably wish they had. After the sale was completed, Davis decided to “make it rain” in some of the unlikeliest places, sprinkling gargantuan deals to the likes of Tommy Kelly, Javon Walker, Terdell Sands, DeAngelo Hall and Gibril Wilson — none of whom has proved a sound investment.
-Monte Poole
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:51 am
Kirk does get blown up and has major problems shedding blockers, but like I said, D-line has to play equal to the way they are paid, then the LB problems would not be near as bad as they are.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
It also does not help that we run a vanilla offense and nobody is fooled by our simple schemes.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
Believe it or not in my opinion, I think the O-line and D-line have done a decent job this season. What have killed me are the play of the LB’s, WR’s, QB and return game. We also need a true FB!
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
I meant to say vanilla defense.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:54 am
Have you guys noticed that the smaller RB’s always seem to kill us?
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:55 am
Jones, Bradshaw, Slaton, etc.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:55 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
Have you seen Kirk get blowned up play after play. There is no scheme to stopping the run. Just play your gap and make the damn tackle.
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Dude
When you line up year after year in 1970 formations, OC’s know where Morrison is going to be, and block him. period. Gawddammed did you not read what Nnamdi said:
Nnamdi 2009:
“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha said. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations. And teams know that, so communication can break down sometimes, just because we’ll see what other teams in the league won’t see, because of the nature of our defense, so it doesn’t matter what week it is.
“That stuff can happen in Week 16 if you’re not adjusting and you’re not adapting to who you’re playing against.”
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
center, right tackle and right guard play is mediocre to bad. Gallery and henderson have played well. As for the D-line play, it is just ok. sure they play good for 3/4 of the game, but they get blown out for 1/4 of the game. Not all the blame goes to the LB’s like I said.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:57 am
Week after week we always hear………… “PLayers did not fill their gaps!!!!!!!!!!!!”
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
good point koolkell. Our d is as predictable as our offense. look what happened when marshall went outside the box for the philly game. he even said he will probably be in trouble, but did it anyways.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 am
We need vocal leaders on the field. Defensive QB!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Eagles don’t run the ball.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
The only way new partners could ensure their participation in the decision-making process is if Davis were to relinquish a measure of the control he has had for more than four decades.
Anybody checking the team’s books would find compelling evidence toward that end. They’d discover Oakland is an NFL-worst 27-80 since losing the Super Bowl after the 2002 season, growing distrust in Davis as a deal-maker and team-builder and, above all, in the language billionaires speak fluently, depreciation of a franchise in a league where depreciation typically does not exist.
After years of rising despite declining performance, the value of the Raiders dropped from an estimated $861 million in 2008 to $797 million in 2009, according to Forbes’ annual report. That figure is the league’s lowest — roughly half that of Dallas and Washington — and others speculate it should be lower.
So moving a piece of this team under the current conditions won’t be as easy as it should be, if it can be done at all.
-Monte Poole.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
DMAC, you are missing the point. The one game where Jim Marshall veered away from the Al Davis defense, we dominated. And you are telling me Micheal Westbrook and Lashon Mccoy cannot run? Aso and Jim both said he would probably catch hell for doing what he did. Next week, guess what, vanilla.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
So are you telling if we pluggd in a Biekert, Willis, Urlacher, Lewis, Ryans (I can go on for days) instead of Kirk the run D wouldn’t be better??????
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
we definitely need a defensive leader for sure…
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
It would be much better, but still not fixed. it is the scheme. We are easy to exploit. I remember in the houston game seeing Andre Johnson matched up with howard ro morrison. How does that happen?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Sure I understand that, but if the Eagles would of ran the ball more that day we still would of probably lost.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
The only way new partners could ensure their participation in the decision-making process is if Davis were to relinquish a measure of the control he has had for more than four decades.
Anybody checking the team’s books would find compelling evidence toward that end. They’d discover Oakland is an NFL-worst 27-80 since losing the Super Bowl after the 2002 season, growing distrust in Davis as a deal-maker and team-builder and, above all, in the language billionaires speak fluently, depreciation of a franchise in a league where depreciation typically does not exist.
After years of rising despite declining performance, the value of the Raiders dropped from an estimated $861 million in 2008 to $797 million in 2009, according to Forbes’ annual report. That figure is the league’s lowest — roughly half that of Dallas and Washington — and others speculate it should be lower.
So moving a piece of this team under the current conditions won’t be as easy as it should be, if it can be done at all.
-Monte Poole.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:04 pm
but we won that game.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I know the schemes are fk’d up. But there’s upgrading to be done.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqnsjEPLIA&feature=player_embedded
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
The Raiders are child’s play for opposing Coaches.
09′ 2-7
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
So was Morrison responsible for the 4-12 record in 03′?
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I don’t blame it all on Morrison, but there’s better MLB out there that can help this team. Move him back at SAM. The experiment failed in the middle.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Schit even Hammerhead Danny Clark sheds blockers better than he does.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I used to defend Captain Kirk just like you guys, but after watching game after game. Reality kicked in!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
DMAC, I am not standing up for morrison, he is weak. my point is, our D-Line needs to play much better so it can help the LB’s.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
The line can’t do it all. We need physical LB’s that can shed blockers.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
We need more depth at the line, thats for sure!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
The Raiders are Child’s Play for opposing Offensive Coordinators:
Nnamdi 2009:
“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha said. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations. And teams know that, so communication can break down sometimes, just because we’ll see what other teams in the league won’t see, because of the nature of our defense, so it doesn’t matter what week it is.
“That stuff can happen in Week 16 if you’re not adjusting and you’re not adapting to who you’re playing against.”
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
True, but Nnamdi needs to be that vocal leader on the field!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Whiffed tackles are schemes?????????????
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
DMAC
Is Nnamdi statement too long to read, or too complicated?
Nnamdi 2009:
“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha said. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations. And teams know that, so communication can break down sometimes, just because we’ll see what other teams in the league won’t see, because of the nature of our defense, so it doesn’t matter what week it is.
“That stuff can happen in Week 16 if you’re not adjusting and you’re not adapting to who you’re playing against.”
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Schemes are fk’ed, but we’ere not physical at all. Too many missed tackles.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
So we bring in a Jim Johnson (RIP) defensive scheme with the exact same players we have on our D. Your telling me we will be great on defense? Sure the D will be improved, but we still need better players on our roster. WE NEED BETTER PLAYERS!!!!! I’m tired of hearing this, “we have lots of talent”
BS!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Later fellas.
Gotta go.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
with the way we draft, getting talent here is gonna be a problem. Not only that, but our offense is not helping the D at all with all the three and outs.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
So we bring in a Jim Johnson (RIP) defensive scheme with the exact same players we have on our D. Your telling me we will be great on defense?
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I’m telling you what our best defensive player said.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
For what it’s worth, Rob Ryan’s D in Cleveland is on pace to give up more yards than any other team in the last 25 years.
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Cleveland’s on pace to give up more yards than any team in the past 25 years. Wow. That’s impressive, Vegas. Got anything on the Raiders today?
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:01 pm
# vegas raider Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
Weiss is fat
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Yeh, and Tom Cable’s a Tai Chi trainer.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Let BAG credit Al Davis for Rich Gannon all he wants. I think we know where Rich Gannon stands in that debate.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:12 pm
4eva asserted the other day, that Al Davis has more money than God, and was therefore invulnerable to blackouts, billboards and such.
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The only way new partners could ensure their participation in the decision-making process is if Davis were to relinquish a measure of the control he has had for more than four decades.
Anybody checking the team’s books would find compelling evidence toward that end. They’d discover Oakland is an NFL-worst 27-80 since losing the Super Bowl after the 2002 season, growing distrust in Davis as a deal-maker and team-builder and, above all, in the language billionaires speak fluently, depreciation of a franchise in a league where depreciation typically does not exist.
After years of rising despite declining performance, the value of the Raiders dropped from an estimated $861 million in 2008 to $797 million in 2009, according to Forbes’ annual report. That figure is the league’s lowest — roughly half that of Dallas and Washington — and others speculate it should be lower.
So moving a piece of this team under the current conditions won’t be as easy as it should be, if it can be done at all.
-Monte Poole.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Nnamdi made some good points about the defense not adjusting or adapting to the offense’s that they face week in and week out. However, I believe the other side of that argument has some validity as well. All though the schemes are not complex they are not being run very well at all. If you can’t run the less complex schemes without error how are the coaches suppose to trust that they will run the complex schemes correctly? They can’t.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
BAG Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
You know there are several pro football teams in the NFL and even a few in Canada. If you hate my Raiders so bad why not just walk away.
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Because if we did there would only be about 10,000 fans left world wide, if even that many. We don’t want the Raiders to get disbanded nor do we want to root for another team. We want Al Davis to retire so our favorite football team can win again. Did you see that billboard? Beautiful, isn’t it? Have another look at it.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0120a70675a7970b-pi
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:23 pm
MR says:
Let BAG credit Al Davis for Rich Gannon all he wants. I think we know where Rich Gannon stands in that debate.
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Dude, truth is truth. Gannon didn’t get along with Big AL then and doesn’t now. Big deal. The fact is Gannon was not a well liked player/teammate for the Raiders yet he still found away to help get the job done, for the most part.
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Ok. I have a question. Can someone PLEASE tell me exactly how many meeting Russell missed. or how many practices? I can count three…two for his two uncle’s funerals & one for his mom’s acl surgery. now, if that constitutes ”blowing off practices” then by all means, cut him so that he can go somewhere else & do 1000 times better that he’s done since he got to the bay area hospice for nfl players. the truth is, he works & has been working but you guys run with the first thing the media says as gospel. they painted the guy as lazy and every story since has been crafted to validate their assessment. not once did I hear anyone say anything about his qb rating @ the end of last year or his grasp of knapps offense or anything. as for reporting overweight…270 as opposed to his playing weight of 265…wow, that’s terrible to gain 5 lbs for a guy you all paint as a buffet frequent flyer. bottom line, coaching…get hackett out. the guy never has nor will he ever coach russell. why would you bring a laptop to the sidelined for grads but not even go over overhead photos with russell? how many times have you seen hackett actually diagram anything with russell? they don’t communicate with the guy but expect him to play like joe montana on sundays. then he turns his back to the guy when he’s trying to see the overheads that grads is looking at. what kind of sorry excuse for a coach is he? you want leadership…it starts at the top. if the coach is a good leader then the players will also lead. if the coach only meets with his qb on thursdays for an hour…yep, that’s leadership. who’s teaching this guy how to be a pro? I don’t care what anyone says, you have to be taught to play qb in the nfl. who was russell’s teacher in oaktown? does he get absolved from all blame? no, there are things that he could do better but to classify the guy as a slob, slacker etc…its just not the case. maybe to those on the outside looking in or those that depend on rich eisen for their info. but not from my pov.