Cunningham fund set
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, December 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A fund to help pay college tuition for the daughter of Thomas Ray Cunningham has been set up at Wells Fargo Bank.
Cunningham, 38, was shot and killed in the presence of his 13-year-old daughter while the two were returning from a local store after buying ice cream after one of his dogs sniffed a man on the street. An argument ensued, and Cunningham was shot.
A custodian in the Dublin (Ca.) school district where my children attend school, Cunningham was a Raiders fan who enjoyed talking about the club with students and occasionally took his daughter to games.
Links to stories about the tragedy and memorial service can be found here and here.
Donations can be made at any Wells Fargo branch. The Dublin branch is located at 7181 Regional Street, Dublin, CA, 94568. The phone number is 925-829-0551.
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December 3rd, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Jerry, nice post. This is a slamdunk all can agree on. This was a shame no one should have to witness such a thing. I’ll do my part and thanks again Jerry.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
You’re either stupid or just a flat out liar, Mike Martz never was never interbiewed for HC he was interviewed and wanted the OC job under HC Art Shell but Sheell didn’t wnat him.
RICHOCHET: you Moron. Why do this to yourself? lol I heard it NUMEROUS TIMES ON SPORTSCASTs..ALSO saw him repeat it when he was hired with the Niners.
Here..fool..just a couple of MANY…
www DOT associatedcontent.com/article/115047/will_mike_martz_be_a_nfl_head_coach.html
QUOTE: “He almost didn’t coach at all this season after being fired by the St Louis Rams last season. He had an interview with the Oakland Raiders for their head coaching job after last season. He removed himself from consideration after the interview. He also was in a money dispute with the Lions before coming to contract terms for the offensive coordinator job.”
Here, FOOL..another comment of Martz coming in to INTERVIEW FOR THE HC JOB..NOT the OC job..geez.
www dot examiner dot com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~y2009m1d27-Silence-is-deafening-Oakland-Raiders-coaching-search-standing-still
QUOTE: “This is starting to look like a repeat of the disaster that was the 2006 coaching search. That year, reportedly the Raiders offered the job to University of Louisville’s Bobby Petrino only to have him turn it down. Other candidates including Mike Martz and James Lofton came in for interviews, but there was ambivilance from both sides.”
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You ever get tired of saying stupid crap?
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:45 pm
There are some f’d up people in the world. Taking another man’s life because his dog sniffed his leg?
Sad to hear about stuff like this.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Everyone knows Davis won’t be able to hire a quality coach because Davis won’t let them hire their own assistants, run their own schemes on defense, play the players they want on the field, or draft players that fit their schemes.
Al hires the assistant coaches before the head coach for pete’s sake.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:53 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:45 pm
MR, after we discuss affirmative action can we talk about Govt funded abortions in the 0bama Marx HC bill ?
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I’m not familiar with any Obama “Marx” Bill, as you put it. Do you have a link to it? And, does this link prove that it’s really a document written by the Obama administration?
Either way, and this is going to hurt kiddo, so brace yourself, I don’t have a problem with government funded abortions, anyway. I’m actually for them.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
75, name one coach Mr Davis hired without Cable? Name one? since you make statements let’s have you back them up. Name one coach cable didn’t hire. Hell Kiffin hired his coaches except 3 Ryan the LB coach and secondary coach.
Norv hired his coaches that’s how I met Skip Peete.
When you guy’s talk what you know then things make more sense. But to say cable didn’t hire his coaches is a flat out lie.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:26 pm
If Mr Davis called Martz today and said I want ou to coach the Raiders he’d grow wings and fly here. Son I don’t think you know who you’re talking to.
RICHOCHET: Pops..check your meds. I clearly proved you wrong, above. Care for another handful of links as salt in the wound?
Martz, after talking to Al, where apparently Al and him clashed on who was going to be in charge, of what, will NEVER coach with the Raiders..hell..doesn’t matter who Al calls,..no one is answering.
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Pete Carroll was never in consideration the only coach that turned down this job after being offered the job was Sean Payton and he did for Bill Parcells.
RICHOCHET: *sigh*..if only you weren’t so easy, TJ, lol
Again, Kiffin was NOT interviewed for HC job..was interviewed as OC job. Al offered the job to Kiffin after Carroll turned him down.
Go read up, then come back and apologize.
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You can tell all the lies you want the only people gullible enough to believe them is yourself. Petrino could’ve had the job if he wanted it but Blank made a better offer. Petrino took it and screwed him over. Same as Kiffin did Al. Sarkisian doesn’t want to coach at the NFL level simple as that, he wants to stay at the collegiate level. I think it fits him better to be honest. Sarkisian and Mr Davis are very good friends he worked here for a year.
RICHOCHET: and YOU’RE an idiot. The topic de jour on Carroll’s book tour was what, exactly did he say to Sarkisian about Al Davis that made Sark turn Al down. Save that weak ass “didn’t want to coach at the NFL level”..IF HE DIDN’T WHY DID HE COME FOR AN INTERVIEW?
He just didn’t want to coach for the Raiders after he was clued in on how bad Al is to work for.
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There’s nothing wrong with understanding what you as a person really want. Sarkisian knew he wasn’t ready and did the right thing. Kiffin told a bunch of lies and conned his way into the job.
RICHOCHET: Wrong..Kiffin told lies? lol…WHAT??? what lies could he have possibly told? WELL..DON’T WEASEL OUT..are you saying Al Davis is stupid? Are you saying he’s lost it? Are you saying that a few simple well placed words will fool the almight great Al Davis? (many do say that, BTW)..IT’S AN INTERVIEW ON COACHING PHILOSOPHY..it’s hours of discussing game play, situations, etc..and what the coach would do at that moment. Gruden stated Al knows his stuff, and put him to the test..and that once he was convinced Gruden shared the same philosophy, and had what it takes, he offered him the job..ARE YOU SAYING THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN WITH KIFFIN? That “kiffin lied”? LMFAO..that was ignorant..borderline retarded that someone could “lie” and get a HC job.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:07 am
# priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
75, name one coach Mr Davis hired without Cable? Name one? since you make statements let’s have you back them up. Name one coach cable didn’t hire. Hell Kiffin hired his coaches except 3 Ryan the LB coach and secondary coach.
Norv hired his coaches that’s how I met Skip Peete.
When you guy’s talk what you know then things make more sense. But to say cable didn’t hire his coaches is a flat out lie.
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Oh geez..lol..
Uh..TJ? Let me help you there…
ALL THE ASSTS WERE HIRED WHILE CABLE WASN’T EVEN ON THE PAYROLL..was off, working for FREE, not under contract, while all the assts were hired.
Al then, during the announcement of hiring Cable, said “there was one other “fella” in the running, up until the very last day.
Shortly thereafter Al stated “both candidates were told they could hire their own coaches”…EXCEPT..LOL..as a reporter quickly noted and pointed out..’Mr. Davis? How can you say they hired their own coaches if all the coaches are already hired, and you hadn’t yet decided on who your head coach was?”
Al gulped, few “uhh’s” and “ummmm”..before saying “they both understood that some coaches will be hired, and that whichever ones they didn’t pick they would have to be ok with”..
AL WAS CAUGHT IN A BOLD FACED LIE..
Cable didn’t hire a single asst…oh sure..AFTER HE WAS HIRED he of course said what Al told him to say..but honestly? Was total bush league for Al to undermine Cable like that..because their was ZERO REASONS to hire then, AND ANNOUNCE THEIR HIRE before he even decided on Cable.
Oh..don’t believe me? go to youtube..and watch it, lol
December 4th, 2009 at 12:11 am
# priesttj Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
75, name one coach Mr Davis hired without Cable? Name one? since you make statements let’s have you back them up. Name one coach cable didn’t hire. Hell Kiffin hired his coaches except 3 Ryan the LB coach and secondary coach.
Norv hired his coaches that’s how I met Skip Peete.
When you guy’s talk what you know then things make more sense. But to say cable didn’t hire his coaches is a flat out lie.
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Still waiting for Davis to clear the air
Scott Ostler, San Francisco Chronicle
Thursday, February 5, 2009
(02-04) 19:55 PST — The Raiders held a news conference Wednesday to introduce Tom Cable as the new interim permanent head coach.
But the real draw, at least for drama freaks like me, was the team’s promise that Al Davis would use the occasion to clear up mysteries. Such as: Why Davis hired a boatload of assistant coaches before hiring his new interim permanent head coach.
I came to get my head cleared. I left feeling like I’d been at a Grateful Dead concert with Michael Phelps.
Toward the end of the festivities, Davis cut me off in the middle of a question, saying, “You’re talking with your hands.”
He didn’t allow me to explain that I’m a big fan of the hula.
More importantly, there were many things that Davis did not explain, or at least not to my persnickety standards.
Davis’ main goal seemed to be setting the record straight regarding whose coaching staff Cable would have – his own, or Davis’. The general perception has been that Davis hired the entire coaching staff, then hired Cable, which would seem a formula for undermining Cable’s authority.
Absolutely wrong, Davis said. He explained that Cable and another man – we’ll call him Mr. X – were equal candidates for the job. Davis instructed both of them to assemble (in theory) a staff, and whichever guy brought back the best staff would get the big job.
However: While this strange (to me) contest was taking place, Davis hired the assistants on Cable’s list. Which would mean that yes, Cable will be working with assistants he picked. But wasn’t there a risk that Davis would have chosen to hire Mr. X, after already hiring Cable’s staff? Awkward!
Another criticism of Davis, among those prone to criticism, has been that he dictates style of play: on offense, the vertical passing game; on defense, man-to-man coverage, which essentially rendered $1-million-per-game DeAngelo Hall useless last season.
Prediction: The Raiders again will be the only NFL team to play man-to-man defense much of the time. Which will work out great, assuming Nnamdi Asomugha’s clone can be located and signed.
Davis didn’t discuss defense, but he did stress that no team can be effective without a long passing game.
“You’ve got to throw the ball deep,” Davis said.
Since Cable will be calling the plays, he had best mix in some long chucks if he doesn’t want to get overhead-projector-ized by midseason.
All Raiders problems become moot, at least for Bay Area fans, if the Raiders leave the area. So I asked Davis what it would take to get him and the 49ers to sit down and talk about a joint stadium.
“We’d have to know who’s going to pay for this thing and what the split is, before we’d even sit down with anyone,” Davis said.
The split? What is this, a bank job? How about 50-50?
As long as the Raiders (and 49ers) don’t have a stadium, they’ve got one foot out the door. So I probed again.
Me: “As vital as a stadium is, I don’t see the urgency on your part. Maybe I’m missing it, but it would seem like that would be a really high priority, to get things moving, get people together to talk …”
Davis: “That’s why we’re different, Scott.”
Me: “Is a stadium not vital?”
Davis: “I just said to you it’s very vital … but I don’t look at life like you do, Scott.”
Me: “So it’s not a high priority, or it is?”
Davis: “No, no, no, you said that. I haven’t even focused on which is the high priority. First thing I had to do was get a head coach.”
That’s when I started waving my hands and Davis cut me off, possibly fearing a karate attack.
The point is, nothing has changed. Davis has hired a coach lite, who will feel obligated to implement Davis’ philosophies of playing style and team discipline.
A stadium concept is on some hazy back burner.
I’m going with the theory that Davis doesn’t want to tip his hand. He is busy hammering out a stadium deal. He has a crackerjack general manager lined up. He is going to grant full powers to Cable, who, as he promised, will return the Raiders to hard-nosed football.
Assuming all that, I predict the Raiders will break .500 this season, they will be in the Super Bowl next season, and Davis will be forced to apologize to me for saying I don’t know anything about football.
E-mail Scott Ostler at sostler@sfchronicle.com.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:17 am
75,stop cutting and pasting and name ONE!!
You made the statement so stand behind it. NAME ONE!!
December 4th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Oakland Raiders hire assistant coach, fire another
January 13, 3:25 PMOakland Raiders ExaminerPatrick Patterson
The Oakland Raiders have officially hired a coach. However, unlike most teams that hire their head coach first, Al Davis has hired former Raider defensive back Lionel Washington as the defensive backs coach. It has also been reported that wide receivers coach James Lofton has not been retained. Once again, the Raiders are doing things their own way.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Raiders hire pair of assistant coaches
Jan. 20, 2009
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By Associated Press
ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) — The Oakland Raiders have added two more assistants to their coaching staff.
The team on Monday named Kelly Skipper their running backs coach and added Lionel Washington to coach defensive backs.
Skipper, a former running back at Fresno State, was the Raiders’ tight ends coach last season.
Washington played cornerback for nine seasons with the Raiders. He spent the last 10 years on the Green Bay Packers’ staff as an assistant defensive backs coach.
Oakland owner Al Davis hasn’t decided whether to retain interim head coach Tom Cable, one of at least three finalists for the top job.
The other candidates include New York Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride and Green Bay assistant head coach Winston Moss.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Raiders add two more assistants despite not having head coach
Associated Press
ALAMEDA, Calif. — The Oakland Raiders added two more assistant coaches to their leaderless staff on Wednesday, making Paul Hackett their quarterbacks coach and hiring Dwaine Board to mentor the defensive line.
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Oakland still hasn’t named a permanent head coach since finishing the regular season 5-11 under interim coach Tom Cable, who went 4-8 and led the Raiders to back-to-back victories to end the season.
The Raiders have hired several assistant coaches in recent weeks, which suggests that owner Al Davis likely will end up keeping Cable at the helm. Cable represented the Raiders at the Senior Bowl in Alabama last week.
Hackett, a 40-year coaching veteran, assisted the Raiders’ coaching staff with special projects last season. The former head coach at USC and offensive coordinator with the New York Jets and Kansas City Chiefs will be in charge of QB JaMarcus Russell’s development in Oakland.
Board was the Seattle Seahawks’ defensive line coach from 2003 to 2008. He also spent 23 years in the Bay Area with the San Francisco 49ers as a player and assistant coach.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:25 am
And this is your proof that Cable had no say in Lionel’s hiring? where does it say that Cable had no say in it. Or is this proof positive. Or is it a writer making an assumption. Another stinking scribe stating his opinion as fact.
I was at the press conderfence when cable was hired and all of his assitants were hired by him and Mr Davis signed off on them.
Now you can quote who you choose to believe. But you don’t know, your just cutting and pasting.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Lets see priest…
Kelly Skipper their running backs coach
Lionel Washington to coach defensive backs.
Paul Hackett their quarterbacks coach
Dwaine Board to mentor the defensive line
December 4th, 2009 at 12:28 am
The assistant coaches were hired and signed before Cable was ever under contract.
Raiders announced the hiring of these guys before ever announcing Cable.
NO OTHER TEAM WORKS THIS WAY!
I could care less if you were at the press conference under the table shining Al’s shoes, it doesn’t change the FACTS that these coaches were hired when Cable was not even at the facilities.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:29 am
LMFAO..you’re just not doing all that well, there, TJ.
You don’t have a freaking clue on Martz, Carroll, Whiz..or any of the coaches that turned Al down..and as 75 just pointed out, you don’t have a clue about what happened with the raiders.
Do you follow the Raiders?
Seriously. How can you follow them and not remember the above? I paraphased what happened, just from recalling the newsclips..75 detailed it exactly, while recalling the same thing..how is it you just have no idea about what happened?
You REALLY don’t remember Martz turning down the team? Where the hell were you? You don’t remember Saunders? Sark? Whiz???
Are you just in denial? Only recall what makes ya feel good? lol…or are you just forgetful?
December 4th, 2009 at 12:29 am
What’s your point that Mr Davis hired these coaches? where is your proof?
December 4th, 2009 at 12:31 am
75 is exactly right.
Was only in all the papers.
Recalled how pathetic and backasswards it is to hire the assts..AND THEN HIRE A HC AND TELL HIM “THESE ARE MY GUYS”.
Isn’t that the point?
Al hired them. They have loyalty to the guy that hired them..not some flunky later on who’s been told ‘here’s your crew”
December 4th, 2009 at 12:34 am
wow..it’s like talking to an idiot.
“where’s your proof”???
Oh..I GET IT..Al didn’t hire them…MUST HAVE BEEN AMY.
Is that it, priest?
You’re toast, pops..you don’t have a clue about anything regarding the Raiders..no wonder you still love Al..your geriatric ass can’t remember anything after the 80’s.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:37 am
75, no other team works this way you are WRONG. Most teams work this way. I know a team called the Steelers who have had the same DC for over 20+ years npo matter who the HC is. The bears hired Buddy Ryan before they hired Ditka. Manusky was hired by Nolan. Assitant coaches and coordinators stay after coaches get fired all the time. It shows how very ignorant most of you guy’s are. In Cable’s case every coach on this team was hired by Cable. Some were in the porganization but they were interviewed for the position that they now have by Tom Cable and hired by Tom Cable I know that for a fact.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Mr Davis hiring of Tm Cable was contingent on his ability to put together a competent staff tp work for him when he proved that he could put together a staff he was made HC but it wasn’t until he could secure a DC and people of the sort such a Hackett and Marshall if he couldn’t pulll it off Gilbride was fully staffed and ready to go. Until cable secured Washington and Marshall and Board he was on thin ice. I know I was in contact the entire way. Gilbride was very close to becoming the HC because he had an outstanding staf that HE assembled. Cable was hired in the 11th hour.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:45 am
I still believe the Raiders could bring in a high calibre coach. But the coach would have to sing the praises of the Raiders philosphy. Tell Al what he wants to hear first.
“Yeah, Al, I wanna bring back the vertical game, stretch the field, play man-to-man defence…”
If a coach came in and said that, they could land the job.
Then once they took over they could put in their own system. That would buy them a year to get results on the field. If they kept winning, then Al wouldn’t care.
Shanahan came in and installed his own offence but didn’t get results right away and he was gone.
Gruden came in and did the same, but at least he got to 8-8 after the first two years and it bought him some time.
First you have to tell Al what he wants to hear.
Then you have to win a few games, then you can run the system you want.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Richochet Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 12:34 am
wow..it’s like talking to an idiot.
“where’s your proof”???
Oh..I GET IT..Al didn’t hire them…MUST HAVE BEEN AMY.
Is that it, priest?
You’re toast, pops..you don’t have a clue about anything regarding the Raiders..no wonder you still love Al..your geriatric ass can’t remember anything after the 80’s
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Age implies wisdom, but does not guarantee it.
Some people will always be rookies…
December 4th, 2009 at 12:53 am
NorthernD, Shanahan was let go because he lost the loskerom. There was a full fledge revolt against the young coach by such luminaries as Howie Long and our own Marcus Allen. during the off-season I talked to Mike Shanahan at Stanford University during an all-star game and he was very excited about the upcoming year. But he instituted a bunch of rules that those vets weren’t used to and they wouldn’t play for him.
They literally laughed him out of a meeting because he was standing on a stool to reach the blackboard. They never connected with him which was a shame because he really was a brilliant mind.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:57 am
Do you guy’s think Wade Phillips has total control? Do you think Mike Singletary has total control?
Do you think Tony Dungy ever had total control?
No HC has total control even Belichik doesn’t have total control. Even Bill Walsh never had total control. They had a GM and a good one.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:07 am
priesttj Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 12:57 am
Do you guy’s think Wade Phillips has total control? Do you think Mike Singletary has total control?
Do you think Tony Dungy ever had total control?
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It comes down to simple management. Dungy for example would have control of his coaches. And a few select players on the team who would carry out his philosophy and set an example for the rest of the players to follow.
No one person is going to keep total control over 75+ players and coaches. He deligates responsibilty.
And if he finds out that a player in not performing to their capability, or causing a distraction, then they will be dealt with at that time.
It is a pyramid system, with the head coach at the top.
But in the Raiders case, it is Al Davis at the top, trying to deal with 75+ players and coaches, when he can’t even walk around anymore.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:08 am
75, no response? I didn’t think so….
Using a stinking scribe for facts, when they don’t know as much as you know. They don’t understand what it takes to put together a staff you have to have so serious credibility to get tenured coaches to come and work for you, over soem other coach when he got Marshall and Hackett it spoke volumns.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:13 am
75 that’s not what I mean when I say total contrl. I mean over the check book, trades and acquisitions. They all answer to the OWNER. Same thing here. Bill Walsh used to be under intense pressure from D’Bartolo and he hated it. That is a fact when he retired he retired because he couldn’t take the pressure anymore.
D’Bartlo was on his ass constantly like a burning fire. Scrutinizing everything he did and demanding championships. Eventhough he had no clue what it took to win them.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:16 am
NorthernD, boy are you naive…..no head coach is at the top you fool. Name one head coach at the top.
Man you guy’s are freakin’ fools!
and I need some sleep!! I’m talking to complete idiots. Head coach at the top you must be crazy!!
December 4th, 2009 at 1:35 am
priesttj Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 1:16 am
NorthernD, boy are you naive…..no head coach is at the top you fool. Name one head coach at the top.
Man you guy’s are freakin’ fools!
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A fool?
Nice.
That coming from someone as intellectually challenged as you appear to be.
In no other venue would I lower myself to even ask you the time of day. And yet, you not only feel empowered enough by a keyboard to converse with me, you have the nerve to call me a fool.
Just because you have a 1963 Al Davis trading card taped to the wheels of the shopping cart you call home, does not make you an expert on the Raiders, the NFL or anything else.
If anyone else wishes to cloud the free passage of information by chatting with you, then by all means “fill your boots.”
But, as for me, I would rather gently pluck the nails from my fingers than waste time extracting the opinion of a self admiring old fool.
We’re done.
Good Day.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:25 am
And as for your “conversation with Mike Shanahan,” I’m sure that once you start taking your meds again, the conversations will stop.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:10 am
What pissed me off about the off season was letting go of the couple of good coaches we had. We (for some reason) relieved James Lofton of his WR Coach position (even though the rookies really came on under him despite being only mid-to-late round picks). And we got rid of our Special Teams Coach who made that the strongest Unit we had in over a decade. That’s how we reward those who perform well.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Now we have a couple of newbies who maybe have potential but definitely aren’t showing it in the product.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:14 am
# NorthernD Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 2:25 am
And as for your “conversation with Mike Shanahan,” I’m sure that once you start taking your meds again, the conversations will stop.
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Why do you think someone stopped taking their “meds” to be delusional? I’ve generally seen people get nuttier only after they start taking meds. Fact: “Medical” psychiatric drugs kill 2.5x more people than homocide each year!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:03 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S (I THINK)..
December 4th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Good Morning DLF. It’s not the same without 4eva!
Free 4eva!
Free 4eva!
Free 4eva!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:31 am
What happened to the AM crew?
December 4th, 2009 at 6:31 am
KoolKell,
You called me a flat out liar and I did’t get a retraction after I posted the link which 24 pointed out to you where the P&L was. You refused to acknowledge the facts. That’s OK with me, I don’t hold a grudge. We all want the best for the Raider’s. I agree with the rankings of where players want to play and best(or worst) run franchises. Just with all the turmoil, the Raider’s make money for
AD Football Inc. I’m not making a judgement on wether that’s good or bad, but for the last 10 years, the team has made a profit.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:36 am
HEY RAIDER O,WHERE IS 4EVA, SOMBODY MAKE HIM MAD,HWNDR.EXLA,ROCKSTAR ?
December 4th, 2009 at 6:38 am
I remember reading a post in a prev thread saying he was banned!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Morning Dirt-Lot,
4EVA got banned for a drunken x-rated rant night before last when he went off. All comments were then deleted.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Good morning nation!
Here is a link to start this morning goood!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmhEKJzHEo0
December 4th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Good morning Ex.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:41 am
‘MORNING EXLA. U KNOW U CAN NOT HANG OUT WITH THAT EVENING CROWD WITHOUT BEING CALLED A NAME OF SOME KIND SOONER OR LATER,..
December 4th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Ahhh man…did 4eva really get banned? Hey sometimes that is why I do not go on here at night because those **** can get to you. Makes you wonder why they come on here at all????
Well…here’s to 4eva until he gets back! (having a shot of Henn Dogg)…
December 4th, 2009 at 6:45 am
That is why I love the AM crowd!!!
Sorry guys I was following the older post for some reason wondering why no one was coming on…
December 4th, 2009 at 6:45 am
THAT’S 2 BAD,4EVA HAS STRONG OPINION’S, THAT IS WHY ENJOY HIS INPUT.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Morning O and Hwnrdr,
The night crown is a strange one, you can lead them to facts and they ignore it and justify themselves by putdowns. I had to go and put my 5 yr old to bed and was called a liar and accused of fleeing. LOL
December 4th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Hwnrdr,
To 4eva! (bonging on purple)
December 4th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Trevor Scott enters the starting lineup and Sam Williams exits …
sweet!
we still don’t have a chance in this game
December 4th, 2009 at 6:52 am
you fellas have a great day
December 4th, 2009 at 6:54 am
U 2 ROCKSTAR, HEY HWNDR..
December 4th, 2009 at 6:55 am
morning all.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:55 am
FREE 4EVA!!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:55 am
we still don’t have a chance in this game
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That’s what they said when we played the Eagles!!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Ex,
I read those posts, and I saw that. Thank god you were just called a liar & coward! lol
December 4th, 2009 at 6:56 am
I was banned for 3 day’s for taking a poke at someone in here, hope 4-Eva only gets the 3 day’er. I don’t bother posting much any more, too many idiots. Present company excluded.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Just to go back to the this post….
#3 says it all.One thing this world will never run out off is ar$eholes.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Scott is doing well for a late RD pick. Have a great day RR.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:59 am
“of”……sorry.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Hey Dirt Lot…Good day to you Rockstar!!!
Morning Riader O, Neilb, R8eray, 860, Exla…
Yes, I remember one time I posted in the PM and someone accused me of spreading rumors because I forgot what my source was…someone found the source and that guy never responded again! Real silly crowd if you ask me!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Hwnrdr,
To 4eva! (bonging on purple)
Yup, that’s probably what he is doing now as we speak!!!
But…funny how one can get banned for calling someone on here an arse, but those &**^&^*)) do it everynight and never gets banned!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:03 am
IMHO, I think the mods are the antagonists, the stuff they pull and don’t get banned for. FREE 4EVA
December 4th, 2009 at 7:03 am
No 4eva damn gonna be way fewer post . Love MeMyselfand Iverson crying at presser yesterday or is the Canswer better.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:03 am
I proved by fact Raider’s had a profit for last 10 yrs:
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Raider Income(profit)
2008-$27 mil
2007-$46 mil
2006-$ 9 mil
2005-$ 8 mil
2004-$26 mil
2003-$16 mil
2002-$15 mil
2001-$ 3 mil
2000-$10 mil
1999-$17 mil
Gave the link:http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/30/sportsmoney_nfl08_Oakland-Raiders_300874.html
24 said:24 Says:
December 3rd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
KoolKell – On the middle right of the page there is a bunch of stat links next to the graphs…thats where the meat and potatoes is.
Rank
Team
Current Value ($mil)
1-Yr Value Change (%)
Debt/Value (%)
Revenue ($mil)
Operating Income ($mil)
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Rebuttles from KoolKell: Bizjournals analyzed the performances of all 122 franchises in the NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball and the National Hockey League in the 2008 calendar year. The top scores went to those teams that were strongest at the twin missions of professional sports — winning games and making money.
2nd rebutt: A Survey of NFL Players Rank the Raiders as the worst organization in the League.
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I might agree with those 2 points of view but it does not change the FACT that the Raider’s ARE PROFITABLE.
I rest my case.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Interesting that we have been doubl-digit underdogs at home 3 times this year, yet only 14.5 point dogs this weekend in Pittsburgh.
Just goes to show that Las Vegas is just not comfortable putting huge lines out there, unless it is a team like the Colts or Saints who put up a ton of points.
We are 5-6 against the spread this year, so for the sake of vegas always being pretty close to 50/50, I say we cover, and play a farily close game.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:04 am
I was just going to point that out Hwnrdr….
December 4th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Scott, Branch, Mario, Bush, Matt S, and Murphy are all doing well, so we can find talent, but Al loves to Gamble any go for the High Risk & Reward type players like DHB, JR, and DMC.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Interesting how excited everyone was to donate to a billboard fund but hardly anyone is talking about donating money to a fallen brother’s daughters college fund. 30,000 people stepped up and donated. I would expect double that for this little girls college fund. I’ll send money to this because I’m a father and a Raider fan. And i’ll ask my wife to donate to this fund instead of buying me a christmas present.
I’m NOT slamming the people that donated to the billboard fund. I’m slamming the entire RAIDER NATION for not having its priorities straight. I’m slamming myself for writing a comment and then halfway thru it seeing that I was more focused on the debate of the day than one of my fellow Raider’s struggles.
Today is not a good day to be a Raider.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:06 am
COULDBE ANOTHER LONG DAY SUNDAY,THE STEELER’S R DOWN RITE NOW,JUST HOPE THE DO NOT BUST OUT ON THE RAIDER’S..
December 4th, 2009 at 7:07 am
860Todd Christensen Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 7:03 am
IMHO, I think the mods are the antagonists, the stuff they pull and don’t get banned for. FREE 4EVA
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They take political sides as well. I once posted our former’s presidents name sucks and it stayed for awhile. Than posted our current president name sucks, and it was gone immediately.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Tom Cable isn’t going anywhere! Al must develop Cable as Cable must develop the players. Now, if Cable is unable to develop the players, only Raider insiders would know this, then he should lose his job. But I don’t believe Cable has been given sufficient time as HC to make any determination on his future.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Vegas, it depends on which D team shows up.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:07 am
I am on E.S.T. When the evening crowd posts, most are on P.S.T. I don’t have the time to stay.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:10 am
EST here too, but I sneek in when I can.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:12 am
POINT TAKEN DT42,POST-70 AND WELL SAID..
December 4th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Exla….
I’m 8 hrs ahead of the time on the posts.If I’m on a late shift I’ll get home about midnight which will be late afternoonish for this site.I would sometimes post but not now ! Those pm posters are nuts!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:16 am
The guy that shot this guy is a coward. Probably would have been throttled by this guy in a fight, but since he gots a gun he is a tough guy and can’t be “dissed” by his dog. And in front of his daughter?
What the hell is wrong with people?
RIP Mr. Thomas Ray Cunningham
Raider on brother
December 4th, 2009 at 7:20 am
JERRY MC SHOULD SEND A COPY OF AN AVERAGE EVENING’S POST’S ON THIS BLOG 2 THE PRODUCER’S OF JERRY SPRINGER !!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Yup, and that is sad!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:22 am
HAHAHA!!!! Now that would be funny Dirt Lot…
MR vs everyone else! What happened to Norco Bob? Too funny!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:26 am
It doesn’t matter who the coach is. As long as Al Davis continues to make personel decisions, we will continue to suck. Football is about speed, strength, brains, and desire. Other teams draft football players. Al Davis just drafts based on 40 times.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:26 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w27meg0YfEU
something like this maybe ?
December 4th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Al = Dr. Evil
LMFAO!!!!
good one Neilb!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:42 am
The best thing about Scott moving to OLB is that it brings the Dline back into play for a 1st rd draft pick.
Also, it means that we will continue to blitz the LBs! Scott or Howard coming from the outside will be an option on all downs.
I actaully REALLY like how our defense is developing. Marshall is doing an OUTSTANDING job for year 1. I disagree with you SnB! I think Huff will be back next year. Now all we need is a MLB, DT, and Nickle Corner.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Morning JHill, are you going to have some henny at your halftime today??
December 4th, 2009 at 7:48 am
I expect this defense to be MUCH better next year. We ALL know Davis won’t let Seymour get away, and this year’s draft is DEEP with Dline prospects.
Al won’t draft another S or WR this year in the first round. That’s just not going to happen.
The pick will be Dline or Corner. No way Kelly and Warren get high salaries next year. They will either need to restructure, or they will be cut. Shaugnessy and Seymour will start at DE next year, and I have a feeling we will see both Kelly and Warren back.
Stan Routt is a FA and I’m pretty sure he won’t resign here. Good! Probably means CB will be the pick with only CJ and Nnamdi on the roster.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Wassup Vegas!
LOL at Ron Ron! I just can not believe he said that!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:56 am
jhill Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 7:48 am
The pick will be Dline or Corner
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If Javier Arenas runs a 4.3, he might be the pick. The best collegiate returner since Devin Hester, and potentially a nickle DB.
Than dump Darren and let Bush go via free agency, and trade our 2nd rounder for Marshawn Lynch.
Two 3rd round picks should be LB and OL.
Boom, we would have a real NFL level RB (back home as well), a legitimate threat at KR/PR as well as a potential upgrade over Routt, and some depth to our OL and LB crew.
Or at least that is what I would do. I’m sure just about everybody will disagree with me though.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:00 am
At this stage I have completely given up on Darren every looking like the #4 OVERALL pick.
I would be happy if for once he looked a 4th ROUND pick.
His next tackle-breaking run will be his first.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Former Raider Reinfeldt would be a solid selection as an aide to AD with personnel decisions. He has done a great job in Tennessee.
I remember Mike playing in the season opener in 1976 for the Raiders against the Steelers. He was cut and claimed by Houston later that year. He was a good ball player but the Raiders had Willie Brown, Skip Thomas and Neal Colzie. Where does he fit?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Whoever we draft it will be a case of what Al wants rather than what the Raiders need.We won’t draft a WR or a QB with the first pick ? Don’t hold your breath.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Got to go….
Enjoy your Friday my friends….
AND FREE 4EVA !!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Yeah, including me, lol!
I’m not giving away ANY of our young talent, and that includes McFadden, Russell, and DHB.
As for the draft, I think we are going to pick right around 10 or 11 with a few end of season meaningless wins. At 10 or 11, I’d tend to agree with you on the CB pick. I like your thinking on that one.
2nd round pick, I’d start looking for something on that right side of the Oline.
rd 1 – CB
rd 2 – OL
rd 3 – OL
rd 3 – DL
rd 4 – CB
rd 5 – DL
rd 5 – LB
December 4th, 2009 at 8:07 am
I gave away my Jamarcus jersey. Sent it to 504 yesterday.
I wouldn’t mind a real RT in round 2, like Phil Loadholt last year. Just no LT that is making the switch to the right-side. No confidence in the Raiders handling the change-over.
I just want a real everydown back. Not this 3 RB nonsense. And Marshawn would be another perfect Oakland Raider reclamation project. Plus he is from the town and grew up a Raider fan!!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Trade Bush and a 6th rounder for Lynch if you have to have him. The issue of him getting 20 carries would still be a question though.
I don’t think you’re going to regret getting rid of your Russell jersey. But I think he will be the QB of this team again real soon because Al still had his #2 jersey. Russell will be fine as soon as the WRs get up to speed. I doubt he’ll ever live up to his draft status, and he will bounce 2 or 5 balls per game, but we all know the kid has talent. He’ll grow up just like Lienart, VY, and all the other kids do.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Hey Vegas..I like the way think, accept for one thing!
Don’t know if I would give up a 2nd round for Lynch!
I say,
rd 1-MLB
rd 2-DT
rd 3-OL
rd 3-DE
December 4th, 2009 at 8:25 am
2 or 5, LOL!!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:29 am
OK maybe a 2nd is too much for LYnch, a 3rd maybe. Would like Bush and a 6th like Jhill said, but I think Bush is a free agent this offseason so I don’t think we can trade him. And we should let him walk. He is 26 going on 36.
All I know is, Lynch is way better than any of our 3.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:33 am
The Raider’s next Right Tackle, seriously!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqnsjEPLIA&feature=player_embedded
December 4th, 2009 at 8:37 am
draft tim tebow
December 4th, 2009 at 8:42 am
There is plenty of talent in the 2nd day of the draft.
I strongly believe that we should concentrate on the LB position. I believe Morrison and Howard are free agents next season, and don’t think the Raiders will resign either!
How about that kid from the Gators…you know (i’ll poke your peepers out) Brandon Spikes!! He has attitude with authority!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:43 am
C’mon Man!!! LMFAO!!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Good one LRDDR!! First time I seen that clip, and I’m always watching BSPN! Did you guys see that?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Slade Norris, David Nixon, and Ricky Brown will be in heavy roation next year, so I don’t think we will see a LB drafted. Howard isn’t going anywhere. He and Trevor Scott are locked in barring injury. Ricky Brown will be your MLB next year.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Spikes won’t last until 10 or 11 where we pick.
Our top need this offseason will be CB. Routt is a FA and John Holland is not a CB. We will literally only have CJ and Nnamdi on the roster since Bowie was cut.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Jhill you might be right, but if that’s the case why don’t you take Morrison or Howard out and put someone that could stop the run?? Someone that won’t give up big plays!! Someone(captin)that will read the offense better!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Does anyone really believe that this is Tommy Kelly’s last year with the Raiders? Not if you WANT this to be Kelly’s last year, but if you actually think Al will cut him loose.
Warren, Kelly, Bryant, and Joseph will be out DTs next year, with Warren and Kelly restructuring.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Ricky Brown will not be the MLB next year. Morrison isnt going anywhere.
Funny post….. Raiders will be picking 10 or 11?? LOL!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:57 am
R8erRay,
I agree that MLB play is not up to par and has A LOT to do with the big plays we give up. Right, wrong, or indifferent I just think that Ricky Brown will be playing that spot next year. Scott looked pretty damn good at LB last week, and that saying something against Dallas’ stable of backs. And I like Howard out there. He’s clearly our best LB.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Ahhh the president of the Kirk Morrison fan club is here, lol.
Where do you think we will pick, 1st?
December 4th, 2009 at 9:00 am
It seems to me that every other year we draft a CB. Let’s pick up a decent (CB) veteren in the free agency and get someone (draft) that could stop the run. Someone in the middle, if it means on the D-line or LB position!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Are you looking stuff up now, lol?
Let me help you out.
You do realize there are 4 teams with worse records than us RIGHT NOW, right? That puts us at least 5th. Then we are tied with 2 other teams with 3 wins, and of course we would lose the coin flip, which puts us 8th. Now tack on the 2 meaningless wins and that puts us right at 10 or 11.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:04 am
And for all those people that say draft Tebow in the first..all I have to say about that is..he’ll be there by our third pick (if they do decide to draft a QB).
But to answer your question Jhill, I think we should go with defense. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again..we got to stop the run!!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:06 am
The last CB we drafted was John Bowie, I believe. Before that Routt and Fabian.
I think what clouds that are all the Al drafts the fastest guy jokes.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Re to 114: best player available in one of the needed areas!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Your right.. it just seems that way! I’m telling you these years are flying! LOL!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Ray,
We are much better vs the run this year than last, and I think in year 2 of the Marshall play we will be even better. Especially by getting Morrison out of there. Top 5, no, but better.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I dont think Morrison is a great player but I know damn well who does… Al Davis. Morrison is a big time Raider cheer leader and has been since birth. The story is well known of him and his dad being huge Raider fans and going to games while growing up . Do you REALLY think Davis will let a guy like that go? No f in way.
The Raiders will end up winning 4 or 5 games and will be pickn around 6 or 7.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Oh by the way, as far as better vs the run…
2009- 31st in NFL
2008- 31st in NFL
Hows that better??
December 4th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Plenty of room on the sidelines for cheerleaders. If Kirk wants to hang around a la Sam Williams, then great!
So you think 7 instead of 10? Big deal about 3 spots DUDE, geeze. Still not a top 5 pick where all the clue chippers are, so I still say CB should be the pick. Be it 7 or 10 that we pick.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Move Captain Kirk back to the strong side and pick up a true physical MLB.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Last year, it seemed like every running play was a success for other teams. This year, it’s a big play here or a big play there. Of course with Morrison over running a gap. But the run defense is not getting pounded down in and down out like it has the past few years.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:42 am
We need vocal leaders on the field.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Kirk at SLB over Howard?
I think not!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:43 am
DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 9:42 am
We need vocal leaders on the field.
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Who can actually play as well.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:43 am
It seems to me that the smaller RB’s seem to always hurt the D with a long run.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Howard and Kirk on the outside with a physical run stuffing MLB.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
We don’t need a CB in the 1st! We need help at the front 7, then we need a RT & RG, and then we can draft a CB! Not before RD3, and we do have 2 3rd RD picks.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Jhill,
You know better than to think 52 is going anywhere.
Stats dont lie, no matter how theyre attained. The Raiders have been and continue to be a bad run D. Period.
Difference between pikn at 10 or 11 and 6 is about 2 wins. This team wont win more than 5 games
December 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Damn I miss Biekert!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:48 am
DMAC,
It seems pretty clear that Trevor Scott is in the plans. Same with Ricky Brown. Might not have been what either one of us would have done, but it is what it is.
Not ONE person thinks Kirk should be the MLB, and we are far from professionals. Do you really think that Marhsall and company can’t see Kirk STILL over running gaps and not getting off blocks? At least Scott is physical, and can make some plays. Only big plays last week were right up the middle, or should we say right at Kirk.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Dude Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Jhill,
You know better than to think 52 is going anywhere.
Stats dont lie, no matter how theyre attained. The Raiders have been and continue to be a bad run D. Period.
Difference between pikn at 10 or 11 and 6 is about 2 wins. This team wont win more than 5 games.
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I don’t know that. Kirk thinks he’s one of the best MLBs in the game, lol. Do you really think the Raiders are going to pay him top LB $?
You can look for what you want to look for in our run D, but I realize the team is rebuilding. The run D was pretty good against Dallas except for the Wildcat play to Choice and the big run by Jones. 1 or 2 more players to this defense, and it will be just fine.
I think I said 2 more meaningless wins. 3+2=5, so I guess we are in agreement there, lol!
December 4th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Yeah, it is what it is. Scott can’t do no worse than Williams. That’s for sure. Since we’re in the process of experimenting, let’s put Mitchell on the field at the nickel position. I want to see what the kid gots.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:58 am
I agree with you on Mitchell, although Routt has actaully played pretty well the past 2 weeks or so.
But we played a lot of 3 safety sets with Rashard Baker last year, and still do with Eugene now. There is NO WAY Eugene should be getting snaps in front of Mitchell.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:00 am
If I had my druthers, I’d trade for an impact LB to roam the middle. Not quite sure who I would target, but a veteran run stuffer would be nice to have. Seymour leading the Dline, Nnamdi leading the DBs, and all we need is that veteran winner at MLB.
Hmmmm ….
December 4th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Kirk needs to be moved back to SLB like his rookie year, TH at WLB, and draft Spikes or McClain to MLB.
Pre O Mock Draft:
1- DT Suh ( he will be a top 5 pick), MLB Spikes, or MLB McClain!
We should trade up for Suh!
2- DE Carlos Dulap ( he will be there after a DUI).
3- RT Kyle Calloway or Sam Young
3- CB
December 4th, 2009 at 10:01 am
I wonder if we could steal Urlacher. Injuries and all, you never know.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Eugene is a joke. Put Mitchell in and see what he can do, or move Huff to the nickel and have Mithell give the free safety position a try.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Urlacher for a second rounder?????????
hmmmmmmmmmm
December 4th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Wassup Raider O!
NO WAY Dunlap slips to round 2. You are obvioulsy toking early this AM, lol! He’s the 3rd best player coming out for goodness sakes. You’re not being realistic with your mock. We will not get a top 5 talent. Only way that happens if if there is a run on QBs or something, and I just can’t see that.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Huff is BALLIN’ …. Finally!
Why would you want to move him? Branch and Huff shouldn’t go anywhere!
Kinda unfortunate situation for Mitchell the way Huff and Branch developed this year. Who saw that coming, lol!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:06 am
God, that’s a tough story. Good luck on the fundraising efforts.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:07 am
From PFW…
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2009/12/04/calls-to-hire-a-gm-not-inspiring-davis-to-make-mov
Calls to hire a GM not inspiring Davis to make move
Posted Dec. 04, 2009 @ 9:58 a.m.
By Dan Parr
Raiders fans are putting their minds and money together in an effort to persuade Al Davis to, in effect, demote himself and hire a general manager, but we hear their efforts are not going to lead them closer to the desired outcome. A group of the Silver and Black faithful recently bought a billboard ad in close proximity to the team’s stadium that reads “Mr. Davis, do the right thing. Please hire a GM.”
Frustration with the team’s futile play is reaching new heights as Oakland appears to be headed for its seventh consecutive losing season. The Raiders are the only team in league history to lose at least 11 games in six consecutive seasons, and if they don’t win three of their final five games, the historically bad streak will extend to seven.
Despite a series of failed free-agent signings and blunders in evaluating draft prospects, Davis has resisted the calls to remove himself as the organization’s chief decision maker and team insiders say he still has no interest in bringing in a personnel executive with any real authority. Davis’ day-to-day role in running the team has declined over the years, but he still is making the key personnel decisions and is heavily involved in creating offensive and defensive strategy, which is an issue that recently crept to the forefront when CB Nnamdi Asomugha publicly questioned whether the Raiders had become too predictable on defense.
“We’re a team that chooses to be who we are regardless of who we’re playing against and regardless of the matchups or the things that the other team is going to present,” Asomugha told reporters on Dec. 2. “We’ve got one way of doing it and that’s what we do, and teams can get us into some tough situations. And teams know that, so communication can break down sometimes, just because we’ll see what other teams in the league won’t see, because of the nature of our defense. … That stuff can happen in Week 16 if you’re not adjusting and you’re not adapting to who you’re playing against.”
There is an internal struggle going on within team headquarters, as Davis is a strong proponent of playing strictly man-to-man on “D,” while others would like the team to employ a more versatile scheme. Davis is said to have reprimanded the coaching staff when it has broken away from his preferred defensive style.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Jhill,
It’s not just me, others llike WalterFootball have him as a 2nd RD pick Before his DUI! He is being compared to M Johnson from last year. Work ethic, DUI, takes plays off, etc…
December 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Regarding our front 7, Raider O …
Again I ask you if you think Al will give up on Kelly this offseason. Not if you want Al to give up on him, but if you really think he will.
If you don’t think Kelly is going anywhere you can forget about a DT in Rd 1 with the rookie Bryant developing nicely.
And why would we draft a DE with Seymour and Shaugnessy locked in?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Al will give up on TK Or most likely Warren!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:12 am
# hwnrdr Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Hwnrdr,
To 4eva! (bonging on purple)
Yup, that’s probably what he is doing now as we speak!!!
But…funny how one can get banned for calling someone on here an arse, but those &**^&^*)) do it everynight and never gets banned!
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Not what happened.
4eva was wasted, and dropping nonstop F bombs to everyone, over and over, along with a slew of other comments that everyone knew was going to get him a vacation.
I doubt if he even remembers what he did, he was that toasted.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Well hey, if we can steal a player like that in the 2nd rd, then maybe our luck is changing. But where would he play? He’s not beating out Seymour or Shaugnessy.
Meanwhile, we only have 2 corners on the roster!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am
We need production in the middle! Most big runs come from the middle! We need to fix that by adding a player or two. Can’t think it’s just coaching after this season!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I don’t think Eugene is terrible. I think he does an OK job. But why hold back a 2nd-round pick in a 3-8 season to play an average veteran safety like Eugene? Huff and Branch have both been very, very solid this season, so it’d be very hard to pull one of them to get Mitchell on the field more.
Cowboy game aside, I’ve been very pleased with the quality of our secondary this season. Nnamdi-CJ-Branch-Huff have all looked very, very good to me. Huff has broken up a ton of passes and leads in INTs. Nnamdi is Nnamdi. Branch is a very good up-and-coming player. And CJ takes a lot of criticism but he’s under a ton of pressure since teams rarely throw at Nnamdi and our offense has rarely sustained drives all season. And it’s not like Nnamdi shadows the other team’s best WR all game. CJ is covering those guys at least half the time and Miles Austin was only the 2nd 100-yard WR we’ve allowed all season and a huge chunk of that yardage came against Nnamdi and Routt. I’m very pleased with CJ. I’m eager to see Mitchell play more but not at the expense of our current guys. Not sure how to get him on the field more. Tough to put him in there in Nickel playing man-to-man vs. a WR, but maybe move Huff up into coverage and make Mitchell the deep safety in Nickel.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:15 am
# jhill Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Regarding our front 7, Raider O …
Again I ask you if you think Al will give up on Kelly this offseason. Not if you want Al to give up on him, but if you really think he will.
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Kelly is the last “performing” player, and I use that term lightly, of the 5 Musketeers.
Hall gone. Wilson gone. Kwame gone. Javon in limbo…
270 million in contracts thrown at those 5, and cutting Kelly just tosses more fuel on the fire that Al shouldn’t be a GM.
Wait!!
I recall seeing a billboard….on 880…..
Oh..never mind.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Richochet,
I thought both sides of the argument last night had some valid points.
My #1 criticism of Davis these past years has been how he’s handled the coaching situation. I think the lowballing offers to asst, or up n coming coaches has been a mistake. I think the Raiders are they type of organization that needs a big time big name coach. I feel the same way about the Steelers and Cowboys. Those teams are the equivalent of the Lakers, Boston, and Philly and should be ran an such.
I agree with Priest in that if Davis would lay out 30 million or so for a coach, there would be PLENTY of takers.
I also agree that it’s pretty obvious it would take more than $ to get a guy like Cowher or Gruden to come back, but a Jack Del Rio or Jim Fassell type? They’d be here in a second!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I don’t think he’s ballin, but he’s definetly improved his game finally. Should be even better next season.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Kirk needs to be moved back to SLB like his rookie year, TH at WLB, and draft Spikes or McClain to MLB.
Pre O Mock Draft:
1- DT Suh ( he will be a top 5 pick), MLB Spikes, or MLB McClain!
We should trade up for Suh!
2- DE Carlos Dulap ( he will be there after a DUI).
3- RT Kyle Calloway or Sam Young
3- CB
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I can’t see going defense with 3 of the first 4 picks when our offense is averaging less than 10 points per game and I’m pretty sure is dead last in the league.
QB (Locker, Clausen, Bradford), WR (Dez Bryant) or o-line all deserve consideration in Round 1. Although I’d say take the best available player there. Could be McCoy, the DT from Oklahoma. He’s a beast. Wouldn’t trade up for Suh though. Plenty of needs to be addressed and this is sure to be a deep draft. Don’t want to give up picks to jump up a couple of spots.
No matter how you look at it we need to focus on improving this offense next year. The defense is good, IMO. Just need to figure out how to stop those big plays.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Kelly is the last “performing” player, and I use that term lightly, of the 5 Musketeers.
Hall gone. Wilson gone. Kwame gone. Javon in limbo…
270 million in contracts thrown at those 5, and cutting Kelly just tosses more fuel on the fire that Al shouldn’t be a GM.
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Wow! And to think all that happened in ONE offseason!
Well, at least no one can say that the guy isn’t willing to spend some coin to try and improve the team, lol!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Move Seymour to DT ( UT), draft a DT, draft Dunlap, and Draft a MLB!
RE: Carlos Dunlap/ Scott
DT: Suh I hope, or another DT
UT: Seymour
LE: Matt S and Scott on passing downs
WLB: TH/ Scott if TH keeps laying SLB
MLB: True MLB ( there are a few in this draft, if we couldn’t draft Suh then Spikes/ McClain
SLB: Kirk/ TH if Kirk is gone
CB: Nnamdi
CB: CJ/ or the New CB . The other plays Nickle!
FS: Branch/ Huff
SS: Branch/ Mitchell
December 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I will have Mitchell play SS, and have Branch and Huff compete for FS!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I agree with your secondary analysis Chris. But Routt is a FA this offseason, and I’m not seeing Holland as an answer. With only Nnamdi and CJ on the roster, we need another CB.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Mitchell should just eat big macs w/ Jerry and gain some muscle to play LB. I don’t see him getting on the field much with the play of Huff and Branch.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Jhill.
Sure they’ll be plenty of takers if you toss out 30 mil guaranteed. But that just adds to the fact that no quality coach will come to the Raiders.
Al doesn’t pay his coaches.
He has this odd idea that he’s doing most of the work, and that paying out big bucks is a waste. obviously he wouldn’t pay Chuckie, which led to GrudenGate. (I personally felt, at the time, it was more the huge billboard of Gruden on 880 that was the straw, where Al hated the idea he was no longer the face of the nation.)
Jerry Jones finally realized he needed to butt the hell out, that he wasn’t a “coach”, that his interfering set the team back, and that he was dead wrong on believing it was him that got the boys to the SB, and not Jimmy Johnson.
Jones only felt that because he watched Al. Except Al knows football, albeit archaic, where Jones just knows where every camera is, and when his next plastic surgery appt is.
Del Rio? To fiery and head strong for Al.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:31 am
No matter how you look at it we need to focus on improving this offense next year. The defense is good, IMO. Just need to figure out how to stop those big plays.
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I think that all starts up front, like my man Charlie continues to emphasize. Gallery going down, and Satele taking all year to get up to speed has REALLY hurt us. Not to mention Pears and Barnes at RT. Cornbread will be a year older and should have been a backup 2 years ago. I’d say Oline in the first, but there in only 1 guy rated in the top 20.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Would love to have Sydquan Thompson from CAL. NIce DB.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Raider O Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I will have Mitchell play SS, and have Branch and Huff compete for FS!
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That’s just crazy, O! Huff and Branch are easily 2 of our best players. Why bench either one of them? Too bad Al won’t allow the Rover position, lol!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Al has a hard on for D backs, for some reason.
Prior to last 3 drafts, he drafted, as I recall, 5 dbacks out of 6 years.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:33 am
O-line in free agency.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am
# jhill Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Kelly is the last “performing” player, and I use that term lightly, of the 5 Musketeers.
Hall gone. Wilson gone. Kwame gone. Javon in limbo…
270 million in contracts thrown at those 5, and cutting Kelly just tosses more fuel on the fire that Al shouldn’t be a GM.
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Wow! And to think all that happened in ONE offseason!
Well, at least no one can say that the guy isn’t willing to spend some coin to try and improve the team, lol!
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Read somewhere that the above contracts are one of the, if not THE reason for Al selling 10% of the team at the time…just didn’t have the coin.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am
4EVA,
If you are reading the blog and you want to get the ban lifted, email JerryMac and fall on your sword. He may reinstate you if you are contrite and acknowledge the error of your ways. You need to do it yourself.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Jerry Jones finally realized he needed to butt the hell out, that he wasn’t a “coach”, that his interfering set the team back, and that he was dead wrong on believing it was him that got the boys to the SB, and not Jimmy Johnson.
Jones only felt that because he watched Al. Except Al knows football, albeit archaic, where Jones just knows where every camera is, and when his next plastic surgery appt is.
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When did that happen? Jerry Jones is still in the way IMO, just like Al. Jerruh is Al with better doctors and plastic surgeons. Did you see him just come out with the Wade better win in Dec blasts? In fact, I’d argue that Jerruh has more of a grip on the Cowboys since he is healthy enough to run the day to day. Jerruh hasn’t won shyt, but he just hasn’t pissed off nearly as many people as Al has. 2 peas in a pod, along with Snyder.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
I wouldn’t mind Fassell as HC.
Weiss as OC and Clausen throwing the ball.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Del Rio? To fiery and head strong for Al.
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But he’s a USC guy, lol!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Platooning 3 rb’s isn’t working.
You know one of those 3 will be in some kind of trade package offer.
Unfortunately the team can’t decide, week to week, who the starter is/should be.
Posters here about seem almost evenly split on who should be carrying the rock, although Bush’s stock seems to have dropped lately, where McFadden stock fluctuates on a weekly basis. Fargas is rarely given credit, but always seems to bust out when all but given up for dead.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:40 am
DMAC,
I’m really warming up to Vegas’ idea of a CB/KR with our #1. Unless we bring in a FA corner or 2, or maybe resign Routt, that hole at CB and KR is just huge.
Then again, this Nick Miller kid must be the next coming of something. Why else are we holding a roster spot for this guy? To get maybe 2 or 3 weeks of PRs and KRs? I can’t wait to see this guy, lol!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Damn. I’m not a coach, but would’nt be a smarter idea to try DHB, DMAC, or Murphy, return kickoffs rather than Russell or Holland.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I know I might encite a riot here, but the O-line really just needs some competition and probably a new RG.
In the two games since Bruce started, against 2 top 10 D’s, we have given up one sack and averaged close to 5 yards a carry.
With crap at the skill positions!!!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am
They must think Miller is the next Wes.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Considering how awful the Jags draw in Jacksonville is their any way they pass on Tebow would the fans not be furious I mean if you’re willing to draft a qb to wr powder head in the 1rd would going after Tebow be that big a stretch for a franchise struggling to draw fans. No excuses for CJ they go his way all the time seem to remeber when they did that to Woodson Tory james had big int year and got paid for it.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I agree Vegas.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am
# DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:33 am
O-line in free agency.
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Here is a list of oline free agents…
# DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Jahri Evans, New Orleans Saints (26)
Jahri Evans is continuing to grade out as the team’s best run-blocking linemen week after week. The Saints have done a nice job of efficiently running the ball through the middle and on the right side of the line. His continual high level of play and positive, team-first attitude should translate to a high-end offensive guard contract at year’s end. Expect the Saints, who have nothing but positive things to say towards Evans, to richly reward him for his hard work and production.
Logan Mankins, New England Patriots (27)
Logan Mankins has been a very consistent player for the Patriots since he was drafted. That type of consistency is difficult to match, but with free agency inflating the value of offensive guards, the Patriots may end up letting him walk if the price isn’t right. They drafted a couple interior linemen last year and have to use some of their free money to re-sign other players. From what Mankins has said, he wants to stay on this winning franchise, but he could be one of the top players available next offseason.
Marcus McNeill, San Diego Chargers (25)
McNeill isn’t playing at an elite level this year, but is still an above average left tackle. He’s one of the “bigger” names at the left tackle position thanks to his spectacular, hyped rookie season. McNeill has also been undercompensated the last few years playing on his rookie contract as a 2nd round pick, which may incline him to ask for more money than he “deserves.” Any of the Chargers could feasibly be had this offseason and McNeill is no different, but with some of the offensive line woes of the Chargers, McNeill may be one of their top priorities. His long-term neck and back problems could be in the back of the team’s mind as well.
Daryn Colledge, Green Bay Packers (27)
Colledge is no longer viewed as the solution at left tackle in Green Bay. Mid-round TJ Lang has taken over the back-up position there. That alone is enough to make his value take a significant plunge. This will especially be overstated because of his poor performance in the team’s biggest game to date – Monday Night in Minnesota. Still, he’s an above average starting offensive guard and a great pass protector in the interior. Colledge’s value will most likely be highest to the Packers because he’s a great fit for what they do and they know his true value.
Jared Gaither, Baltimore Ravens (23) – Restricted FA
After being taken off the field on a stretcher in New England, Gaither luckily suffered no season or career threatening injury. His return to the field should come in the upcoming weeks. The Ravens have found their bookend tackles, with him and Oher on either side, and even if they can’t settle on a long-term deal with Gaither this offseason, they still have the ability to put a tender on him. At the very least, it would force teams to give up serious compensation for his services. Gaither’s length and athleticism make him an ideal fit at left tackle, but could possibly get him for less coin if they think Oher is capable of playing LT and pay Gaither on the right side.
Winston Justice, Philadelphia Eagles (24)
Justice is finally starting to live up to his expectations as a 2nd round selection. He’s played well in pass protection at right tackle replacing the oft-injured Shawn Andrews. The Eagles are in a tricky situation. Andrews has flashed so much potential and played well when on the field, but has struggled to give them enough snaps without getting injured. Should the team re-sign Justice, they could very well be putting Justice on the bench at the cost of a starter. They already have last year’s free agent acquisition, Stacy Andrews expensively riding the bench.
Kevin Mawae, Tennessee Titans (38)
Mawae has started all six games for the Titans this year, but with his contract expiring, the line may turn to Leroy Harris who will have been groomed for 3 years, sparingly seeing the field. If Mawae is up for another season, he could land on a number of teams, or just re-sign in Tennessee. He still has a little gas left in the tank and it the Titans pass on him, several teams will be lining up for him and accept the leadership he brings to the team.
Chad Clifton, Green Bay Packers (33)
Clifton has suffered a lingering ankle injury this season forcing the Packers to retreat to other options at left tackle. Even when on the field, Clifton hasn’t looked like half the player he was in his prime where he was one of the league’s best pass blockers. The years of injury and battle have worn on Clifton who has lost some of his discipline and been beaten on several occasions. If Clifton isn’t offered another contract in Green Bay, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the franchise’s great blind side protector call it quits.
Mike Gandy, Arizona Cardinals (30)
Gandy has struggled immensely and should definitely be upgraded this offseason. He doesn’t hold much value on the left side and may be asked to move to the right side for the rest of his career. If Arizona can’t find a better replacement, they could potentially try and get one more year out of him, but the Cardinals would be pushing their luck.
Other Notable Free Agents:
Eugene Amano, Tennessee Titans (27)
David Baas, San Francisco 49ers (27)
Khalif Barnes, Oakland Raiders (27)
Alex Barron, St. Louis Rams (26)
Mike Brisiel, Houston Texans (26)
Jeromey Clary, San Diego Chargers (25) – Restricted FA
Nick Cole, Philadelphia Eagles (25)
Willie Colon, Pittsburgh Steelers (26)
Ryan Cook, Minnesota Vikings (26)
Tyson Clabo, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Harvey Dahl, Atlanta Falcons (28)
Cornell Green, Oakland Raiders (33)
Rex Hadnot, Cleveland Browns (27)
Ben Hamilton, Denver Broncos (32)
Justin Hartwig, Pittsburgh Steelers (30)
Stephon Heyer, Washington Redskins (25) – Restricted FA
Richie Incognito, St. Louis Rams (26)
Jon Jansen, Washington Redskins (33)
Charlie Johnson, Indianapolis Colts (25)
Nick Kaczur, New England Patriots (30)
Chris Kuper, Denver Broncos (26)
Deuce Lutui, Arizona Cardinals (26)
Stephen Neal, New England Patriots (32)
Rudy Niswanger, Kansas City Chiefs (26)
Donald Penn, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Chester Pitts, Houston Texans (30)
Manuel Ramirez, Detroit Lions (26) – Restricted FA
Rob Sims, Seattle Seahawks (25)
Chris Spencer, Seattle Seahawks (27)
Jason Spitz, Green Bay Packers (26)
Adam Terry, Baltimore Ravens (27)
Jeremy Trueblood, Tampa Bay Buccaneers (26)
Bobbie Williams, Cincinnati Bengals (32)
Marshal Yanda, Baltimore Ravens (24)
December 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am
# jhill Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Jerry Jones finally realized he needed to butt the hell out, that he wasn’t a “coach”, that his interfering set the team back, and that he was dead wrong on believing it was him that got the boys to the SB, and not Jimmy Johnson.
Jones only felt that because he watched Al. Except Al knows football, albeit archaic, where Jones just knows where every camera is, and when his next plastic surgery appt is.
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When did that happen? Jerry Jones is still in the way IMO, just like Al. Jerruh is Al with better doctors and plastic surgeons. Did you see him just come out with the Wade better win in Dec blasts? In fact, I’d argue that Jerruh has more of a grip on the Cowboys since he is healthy enough to run the day to day. Jerruh hasn’t won shyt, but he just hasn’t pissed off nearly as many people as Al has. 2 peas in a pod, along with Snyder.
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You might be right about him butting in, but I recall back when HBO had the Behind the Scenes special (whatever it was called) where camera’s followed the cowboys daily through training camp, including discussions on who was going to get cut, etc.
Jones made it clear to everyone that he was in charge, making the decisions, showed him informing the players who were going to be cut..etc. Acted like he was THE GUY…THEN….then…lol..the Cowboys went something like 2-14..massive egg in face for Jones.
Prior to that, he seemed to be right on the sidelines during games, almost in the coaches ear..seemed to taper off.
I would imagine most cowboy fans agree with you..Jones is one massive egotist, and never met a camera he didn’t like.
Snyder is like Russell.
Tons of money dumped in his lap, and no idea how to go about making it work for ya.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am
new post!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Glad to see Cornell Green on that list…
December 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
So DHB can’t catch the ball and you want him on any returns, although I remember when Ron Brown was returning kicks for Rams adventure every time. We must have the fattest KR and backup QB in the NFL.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:48 am
# DMAC Says:
December 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Damn. I’m not a coach, but would’nt be a smarter idea to try DHB, DMAC, or Murphy, return kickoffs rather than Russell or Holland.
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HEY????
Are you trying to instill logic?
This is the Raiders.
Logic has nothing to do with these decisions.
December 7th, 2009 at 9:08 am
sup nation big win for the raiders yesterday
December 19th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
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