Final: Raiders 27, Steelers 24
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 6th, 2009 at 1:10 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and observations:
– Jeff Reed misses 53-yard field goal attempt to open fourth quarter. No way Steelers attempt that kick (Reed’s career long is 50) if they had any respect at all for Oakland offense.
– Fourth-and-1, near midfield, Tom Cable gets it. Gradkowski gets QB sneak for first down.
– Chris Morris in for Satele this drive.
– Pitch to McFadden on left perimeter for first down. What a concept.
– Gradkowski to Schilens, fake sweep right, half-roll left, Schilens gets open against Tyrone Carter and Raiders take the lead with 8:21 left.
Hands down, easily most clutch Raiders drive of the season, coming as it did after Steelers failed on long FGA and disrespected their offense.
– Not a good way to start post-touchdown sequence. Steelers get 38-yard kickoff return from Stefan Logan.
– The Raiders ability to give back is stunning. Roethlisberger to Santonio Holmes, 57 yards. Rashard Mendenhall scores on the next play. Raiders held lead for two plays, 1:08 off the clock.
– Raiders fight back _ touchbacks on back-to-back drives. Gradkowski to Murphy for 75 yards on play-fake, third-and-2. It’s 20-17 with 5:28 left. Ball was actually a tad underthrown, but Murphy had Ike Taylor beaten so badly it didn’t matter.
– Asomugha corner blitz backfires with Roethlisberger pass for first down. Steelers already in Raiders territory.
– Roethlisberger getting all day to pass, antoehr strike to Holmes. He’s got eight catches for 149 yards. He turns broken play (missed handoff with Mendenhall) into an 8-yard run to the 11, first-and-goal at 2-minute warning.
– Hines Ward knows all the tricks _ subtle push off facemask of Chris Johnson on 11-yard touchdown pass from Roethlisberger.
– Raiders hold on ensuing kickoff (Sam Williams), Gradkowski’s got 1:48 and nearly 90 yards to go.
– Clutch third-and-10 completion to Todd Watkins keeps final drive alive, they’re out to their own 41. Gradkowski hits Louis Murphy to the Steelers 40, hammered by Brett Kiesel as he throws.
– Gradkowski gets a gift on worst throw of day _ Joe Burnett drops sure interception. Next play, Louis Murphy goes up for a jump ball at the 18 and catches it. Steals it from Ike Taylor.
– Delay of game penalty offset by head-high shot by Brian Clark vs. JLH inside the 10. Half the distance. Raiders at 11 with 22 seconds to play. Watkins can’t hold potential touchdown. It was there for the taking.
– Gradkowski to Murphy for touchdown with nine seconds left, touchdown.
Get this _ Gradkowski is 20 of 33 for 308 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions.
The game of his life.
– Roethlisberger wings one into the end zone on final play form 60-plus yards . . . Chris Johnson breaks it up with lots of help.
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December 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
That play that Murphy made on the Grads throw up was the first play I’ve seem a WR make all year! I hope we didn’t lose JLH mentally with that hit he took!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
FIRST
December 6th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
FIRE MR DAVIS
December 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Hat’s OFF. To Bruce. period.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
JHL and the rest of the wr’s need to drink some murphy juice
December 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Miami Wins !
December 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Who has been pissing on Bruce Gradkowski for 4 weeks ?
priesttj, you worthless POS! Know nothing village FKN idiot!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Priesttj, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY NOW???
December 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
GREAT Homecoming for Grads!
Had some help, a little luck, but kept on playin’…
“the harder you work, the luckier you get”
December 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Why do we have to wait until the 4th Qtr to start making plays?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Great Freakin’ Game!!!!!!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
You played a great game today!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Hat’s off to DHB’s toe injury!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
wow,
what a game. that was worth 4 hours of watching. this game better be on nfl replay.
Mrs. Raiders…take that Bruce Unitas Gradkowski.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
MAN WE SURE MISSED DHB AND HIS .08 CATCHES PER GAME TODAY !!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
TJ will come in hear and spin some wild SH!T….
TJ works for the org…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Bruce’s passer rating today: 121.78030303030303
December 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Hell freezes over in December for the Steelers
December 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
1We’ve had wins like this before. ‘04 against Denver. Heck, we beat Pittsburgh in ‘06. We never build on the momentum. The Raiders are going to act as if they won the Super Bowl this week, and not even prepare for Washington. Al Davis finds ways to lose. Today was all Gradkowski. You guys were right about him. He’s a “little” better than Russell. Although a lot of this was Steelers D, too. They look awful. The Raiders have to build on this momentum. They won’t.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Where’s that fcker Dakota and his Garbagekowski….fck you mfker
December 6th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Aig, I agree. I want to see it in HD. The Internet feed sucked.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Billboard Goes Up
Darrius Heyward Bey goes Down
Hallelujah!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Props to the WRs for getting involved today. Finally start JLH and Schillens, with a rookie in the slot, and wa-la …
Also, good job of play calling by Cable to go back to heavy run and PLAY ACTION. Also mixed in some misdirection.
Getting much better at that.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
What a sweet game for BGrad in front of his peoples-
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Play of the Game!!!!
Sunday morning when the inactive list was released!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
has jruss ever thrown for 300 yards ?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
The bottom line is that this team is a better team with Gradkowski on the field and Duhmarcus off it.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
DHB jammed his toe walking through the hotel lobby?
Great Win!
Now Cable step down as OC and you can coach this team next year!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Now we may know why DHB mysteriously came up lame today. Cable punched him at the team hotel this morning after complaining about his lack of touches.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
And now the Davis worshipers are going to come back from their crypts and use this game as evidence that Al still has it. Even though they know it was all Gradkowski.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
wow. im goin 2 go fukk a huge fat girl now. cus the worlds bout 2 end .
December 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Man, if only the Raiders played good teams every week.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I had a good feeling about todays game and the team pulled it off.
If Gradkow had started all year we would be in the playoff hunt
December 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Thank goodness for the Red Zone
Saw the Raiders come back
Saw Brees just engineer a masterful 2-minute drive
December 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Wow! Saints game looking like ours fellas.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I think we just knocked Pitts out of the playoffs!
LMAO!!!
Hey…………….HINES WARD NICE FASK MASK YOU CACK SUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Bruce Unitas
20/33 308 yds 3 TD
And yes you can say his WR’s bailed him out but he at least gave them a chance.
Fck you Mrs. Raiders!!!! Fck you Dakota…. Fck you Richochet
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Saints just tied it up – 1:19 left
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
i love al davis./ fukk all you that hate the great dark lord. al davis does have the rihgt idea bout players. just hires bad coaches . al is a genius. fukk u traitors.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
We did not win with the vertical game. We won by taking what the Steelers gave us. Mainly, Gradkowski taking what Steelers’ coverage shells were giving him. Grad’s got it. More than Russell. But this game does nothing to refute the argument that Al Davis needs to retire. He needs to.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Passer rating: 121
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I was thinking earlier we could be challenging for the Div!
# Plunketthead Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I had a good feeling about todays game and the team pulled it off.
If Gradkow had started all year we would be in the playoff hunt
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
DHB is done…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The WR’s made plays, big time.
Johnnie Lee Higgins, Louis Murphy.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
oh great lord al davis , i kneel to u . bless me with yur divinty. al davis IS our god!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
doriangray Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
has jruss ever thrown for 300 yards ?
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Yeah that Notre Dame game that got him picked #1.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
EXCUSE ME………….FK the Saints!
Bruce Satriani Gradkowski = Bonafide Qb
December 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams
You wanted Rusell as your QB… you argued against the QB change…
I told you putting Gradkowski was a better idea…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Real Madden: go sit in the closet and cry.
We won.
And you’re not a Raider fan anyway.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Murphy going to get that ball was incredible… we see it so much with other teams… finally our wr’s take the ball.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Wrong!
He’s a rookie sit back and relax at least 1 more year if not 2.
# Florida Pete Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
DHB is done…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
God Bless ya Bruce.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I thought Greg Pappa was gonna blow a gasket!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
DBH is gones
Rusell is gone
Mcfadden is next if he doesnt do something about it
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Gradowski=heart and leadership. That’s all. Don’t need a Manning or Brady to win in this league. What a refreshing change! In spite of Al’s ridiculous defensive schemes.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
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The WR’s made plays, big time.
Johnnie Lee Higgins, Louis Murphy.
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Exactly! Not throwing the ball to DHB 10 times a game makes your QB look a helluva lot better. Should have had the kid rotating with Murphy in the slot.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Would some of you MoFos just stop beetching for once and enjoy beating the SB champs on their home field in a must win game for them in December. Some of you are insufferable.
Hating on JR is pointless today.
The Polish Popgun and a defense overcoming the odds. Yay!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
doriangray Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
i love al davis./ fukk all you that hate the great dark lord. al davis does have the rihgt idea bout players. just hires bad coaches . al is a genius. fukk u traitors.
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Whoever put DHB on the injury list gets all the credit
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Play the best players….
Not the draft status
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
JB why you giving Saints updates?
WHO GIVES A RATS A$$ ?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Gradkowski was 20/33 for 308 yards and three touchdowns
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Gradowski is a HUGE improvement over Russell!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
He starts DHB again he’s insane.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
8-8 is still out there. LOL. If only that fat lazy azz was on the bench all year, we might have something. Then again if he hadn’t started half the season, all the Russell apologists would have said “If Russell was out there, the offense would be even better”. LOL!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Cable…..Ummmm….how about you grow a pair and leave DHB on the bench right next to JaBigBeef, where he belongs?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Exactly right!
Try Some Reality Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
8-8 is still out there. LOL. If only that fat lazy azz was on the bench all year, we might have something.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Grad has improved each game so far. All Cable has to do is stop calling stupid trick plays that kills momentum and we will be fine.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Tonight on ESPN, if Uncle Tom Jackson doesn’t give a Raider a game ball he needs to be fired for Cause. Cause he hates us.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
JaBeefalo would have been sacked at least 5 times today and threw 3 INT’s
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Would some of you MoFos just stop beetching for once and enjoy beating the SB champs on their home field in a must win game for them in December.
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Exactly M!
Damn!
It’s been a month already, who gives a fugg about the backup QB?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
We went in this game with THREE WINS and beat the Super BOWL champions.
Who knows how good Bruce is but he’s one hell of an improvement!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Still have two very winnable games (Wash/Cle), one somewhat winnable game(Den), and one tough home game (Balt) left on the schedule. This team can go 7-9. No reason it can’t.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
The most underrated aspect of the 4th quarter was the protection from the o-line. Those final few drives Grads had time to throw down field. Maybe the o-line plays better for Grads.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
– Pitch to McFadden on left perimeter for first down. What a concept.
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LOL. Really. It took all year for fat slob of a coach to realize McFadden needs to be in space.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Congrats to the Silver and Black. Everyone can enjoy this win without it messing up you view on the state of the Raiders. (YOU KNOW WHO I AM TALKING TO.) Lets enjoy the win and get ready for next week.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
BG for MVP ( as we run the table for Christmas )
December 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
STOP RUNNING MCGADDEN BETWEEN THE TACKLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Even Russells mom couldn’t tell you with a straight face he gives us a better chance than Grabs although listing to post game waiting for usual priest call.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Crimedog the O-line sucks big time. Bruce Satriani can move around in the pocket. One of many things JaBeefalo CANT do.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Bruce played a helluva game.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
crimedog,
I was about to say the same thing. They picked up the blitz beautifully and FARGAS is da man at blocking. HUGE.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
The play of JLH early and Murphy late were the difference in this game. The WR’s actually MADE PLAYS it does so much for the confidence of the QB. I think Murphy has finally turned the corner after a ton of gaffs he is much more poised and in control. But starting JLH was HUGE to get the passing game going.
What a concept WR’s that MAKE plays instead of COST plays. A passing game is born.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Bruce came into his own.
Real deal.
About to do an interview on ksfo.
You can listen online..
December 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
JaBeefalo will never see the field again…..period
The end.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Maybe this team just believes that Grads gives them a better chance to win…
I DO!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
ahhhh,…this is what it feels like to win,… Buying my Bruce Grad jersey now. the inverted 2 actually has some spunk. switch contracts with the inverted 5.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Bruce on Ksfo right now.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
5 Lead changes
35 pts scored in the 4th qtr
Gradowski playing infront of the home town
A game like this is why I’m a Raiders fan.
This game should go down somewhere in Raider lore.
Great game guys!! GREAT GAME
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Get this _ Gradkowski is 20 of 33 for 308 yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions.
……..
These are pro stats. Finally, a 300 yard multiple TD game by a Raiders QB.
Please keep DHB on the bench. Murphy, Watkins, and JLH (if he is still alive) should remain the starters.
Gradkowski or Garcia should have been starting from the beginning.
3 games difference right now and the Raiders would still be in the playoff picture.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Im not saying the o-line is great but anyone could tell that they were playing good in the 4th. It was pretty obvious. Yeah, Grads can move, but dont completely dismiss the o-line.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Good Win for the Raiders, good win for ALL YOU DIE HARD FANS that ip spite of Mr. Davis still love the Silver and Black….
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
FUKK ALL U FAKE RAIDER FANS, LIKE KOOL KELL. FUKK YALL. I LOVE AL DAVIS. RAIDER NATION .
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Van,
you know they do. The results are there.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Giving all the credit to evrybody else.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Russell and DHB should stay on the bench the rest of the season. They should sit next to each other and talk the first half and play pitch and catch the second half. Then Russell wouldn’t have to do that private QB school thingy in Alabama this summer.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
The Protection wasn’t great, Bruce made plays, despite.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
The most underrated aspect of the 4th quarter was the protection from the o-line. Those final few drives Grads had time to throw down field. Maybe the o-line plays better for Grads.
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Totally disagree with that. Grads’ mobility and the playcalling actually is what go us over today. Steelers were biting HARD on the PA fakes in the 4th qtr. ALL of the big throws were off PA. Grads had to throw that ball up to Murphy at the end because of helluva pressure.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
And here comes dumsh1t to undermine Gradkowski’s performance in this game. LOL!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
best win the raiders have had since they won in denver in 2004. gradkowski has a lot of heart and is a LOT better than jabustus. Maddenraider is an idiot for thinking japorkrine could have EVER done what grad did today. no chance in hell. Great win, but my question is why did it take cable so damm long to bench the deadbeat jabustus? grad should have been starting since week one. i bet oak has a few more wins if grad had been starting all year.
oh well 4-8 at least it looks like we have found a good QB for next year.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Crime was referring to the 4th Qtr. Bruce was throwing on that last drive from the pocket and fargas picked up the blitz time and again.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Let J Walker play.
Let Fargas sit down.
Let DHB stub his toe every sunday morning.
Let Cable fire himself as OC.
Let JLH talk to a shrink.
Let priesttj go F himself.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Gradkowski gave the WR’s a chance to make plays and they FINALLY made them. My hat’s off to the Great Gradkowskiyou must give credit where credit is due and he got it done. Beating the Steelers in Pittspuke is HUGE. The Oline played very well late.
I would think that finally the Raider fans in here understand just how much of an impact Fargas makes on this team. Nothing special but very very solid and productive.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Bruce played his tail off… got lucky with the Murphy jump and grab… but … we need that from wr’s…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
BRUCE!!!!!!!!BRUCE!!!!!!!!BRUCE!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
POST OF THE DAY
M Lonetree Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Would some of you MoFos just stop beetching for once and enjoy beating the SB champs on their home field in a must win game for them in December. Some of you are insufferable.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
priesttj you been pissing on Gradkowski for 4 weeks you FKN turd.
Get the FK out of here a$$ clown!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
You scrubs trash Fargas but he consistently outplays the other rb’s
December 6th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Who was that idiot the other day who predicted the Raiders would win and score 27 points?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
sit Fargas? hahahahaha you dumbass.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
if the other rb’s ran as hard as fargas… he’d not be an issue…but they don’t…and he is… Hats of the young Huggy
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Bruce won this game with the center and Galley out.
Gradowski is a huge improvement over Russell.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
WHAT. OH GOD. WHAT IF GRADKOWSKI COULD TRADE BODIES WITH J,RUSS.? MY LORD. DO U REALIZE WITH HIS FIRE & DRIVE HE WOULD BE FUKKIN SPECIAL >?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
You should hear Bruce guy talk right now on ksfo.
Good guy.
Enthusiastic about the game.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
KK, you’re an idiot in here everyday so I dunno who made the prediction ?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
20/33
308
3td
121.8
zero int
how da hell would u say he is not better then Jabust. No way should he ever start for this team. We need wrs cuz Higggins will be a whimp for the rest of the season n watkins should be in the ufl with DHB we need a three wrs
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
He had 100 of his friends and relatives there at the game.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Gradkowski is on the postgame show and he said he just chucked it in the air and hped and Murphy came down with it. But that’s how passing games get born guy’s trusting in each other and playing for each other.
HUGE HUGE win!! this team will eventually start t believe if they keep getting these type of wins. Beating good teams the consistency will come.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Al Davis is a offensive genius!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I just wish Grads was 3 or 4 inches taller, lol! Especially with all the tall as Oline guys we have.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
He sounds like Garcia…lol…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
If you got a problem with Bruce,
you got a problem with yourself!
Handing out the credit to EVERYONE!
it’s called leadership, been missing a LONG LONG time…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Bruce is Batman…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
JHill
I dont believe you guys. Considering that our line has consistently been destroyed by crappy teams and this was against the Steelers who are arguably the best pressure team in the NFL, how can you say the o-line did not do well in the the 4th quarter?? C’moooon Maaaaaaan!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Anybody else get butterflies when the Steelers got the ball back with 8 seconds left??
I kept thinkin, the game is in the bag, nobody can come back with 8 seconds.
Then I thought…but this is the Raiders…
Anything can happen in a Raiders game.
Then hail mary throw…i’ll tell ya’ the Steeler WR had position on that throw, alot of hands around though.
But fact is this was a Raiders game, that’s what watchin the Raiders is all about, it’s about the Roller Coaster.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
IF BRUCE DIDNT HAVE THEM LIL GIRLY HANDS HE COULD BE BETTER, LOOKED LIKE GRADS WANTED TO THROW UP IN THE 4TH QUARTER .
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 9:49 am
aig Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 9:30 am
snb,
at least we know going into this game we can catch the ball on both sides of the field.
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This game becomes very interesting now. I think Murphy and Schilens and Miller gives THREE reliable pass catchers. First time all freekn year.
Schilens and Miller the main targets and Murphy in a support role…read not leading role.
Now, will the “cerebral” Tom Cable figure out a way to get DMAC involved in more than dives up the middle?
Come on guys…show some freekn life
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Amd they showed some freekn life!
Good show
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Goin’ to see his Mom now.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
I don’t know who THAT idiot was Kool Kell but YOU’RE the idiot who keeps accusing the Nation of racism for complaining about Russell.
Tell me something KK, wasn’t this like the seventies and watching Snake play Pittsburgh?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
21 4th quarter points… by who? our Raiders…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Jerry put down the submarine sammich and give us the 4th quarter!
Jeeeeeesus Keerist
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Now I wanna see you guys sweep the rest of the year. Washington is very beatable next week. They’ve shown they can beat the Donkeys in Dungver. Cleveland? Please. The only problem I see is Baltimore. Come on Cable. Get these guys motivated!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
so is jamarcus the riddler?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Last three Raider drives were touchdowns.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Now if they can not suck next week
December 6th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
No, what are you a high school girl on prom night ?
Roch R Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Anybody else get butterflies when the Steelers got the ball back with 8 seconds left??
December 6th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/09000d5d814bfcad/Louis-Murphy-game-winning-TD
December 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Priesttj
do you see now that JR sucks n that Grad is the man
December 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
priesttj,
Black Moses will never see the field again!
JackA$$
December 6th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Crime,
It is what it is, man. I thought I saw Grads making plays out there with his legs and feet. I thought I saw the defense biting hard on the PA fakes.
If you saw something different, it’s cool. I’ve been really hard on Cable and the WRs this season, so I just thought this was the best 4th qtr I’ve seen from both. Cable and the WRs were finally NOT the problem.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
SO .. WE LOSE 34 – 6 AGAINST THE REDSKINS ?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
No BRL is the penquin fat otta shape slob
December 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
VanHeathen Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
If you got a problem with Bruce,
you got a problem with yourself!
Handing out the credit to EVERYONE!
it’s called leadership, been missing a LONG LONG time…
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EXACTLY!! Can you imaging the other guy after a game like this. First of all, it wouldn’t happen. But if he somehow did pull it off. Just imagine…”Yeah, I played a really good game out there today, man.”
December 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Black Ryan Leaf should never see the field….
December 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Weaselbit, what’s the link to hear the gradwoski interview?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Only ONE poster on here constantly calling other Raider fans names after a great win, and SWEARS he never does.
Who’s the 5 year old again?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
DID YALL SEE THE AP REPORT THE RAIDERS SCOUTS AT THE TEXAS NEBRASKA GANE/ ? i just hope they were scouting suh not colt mccoy ..
December 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Its true Jh… Grads play action and roll outs made a huge difference… add to that the calls made…and the efforts by the wr’s … had we any of this earlier… it’d be a different season all together…not matter which QB we had
December 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Now I wanna see you guys sweep the rest of the year. Washington is very beatable next week. They’ve shown they can beat the Donkeys in Dungver. Cleveland? Please. The only problem I see is Baltimore. Come on Cable. Get these guys motivated!
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The Raiders play a tough MNF game, then look bad against K.C, Denver, Houston, NYG….
then beat Eagles…look bad against Jets, KC
Beat the Bengals and look bad against the Cowboys
Now beat the Steelers on the road………
It comes down to coaching, putting the right starters on the field and consistency
December 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
this win is the best of the season so far period.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
omg, you can hear Cable breathing so heavy in the background on ksfo…gross.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Best game yet for Murphy, could be his break out game.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
cus i know al davis loves brutal defenside tackles. that n , suh guy is a fukkin beast .
December 6th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Grads is in the interview room right now…with his uniform still on! He’ll probably never take it off!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Tonio Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Its true Jh… Grads play action and roll outs made a huge difference… add to that the calls made…and the efforts by the wr’s … had we any of this earlier… it’d be a different season all together…not matter which QB we had
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I think DHB being on the bench made the biggest difference……..
Murphy fights for the ball, makes the catches, runs the routes and blocks.
Oh, and JLH being on the field helps too.
I would like for Tom Cable to step down from OC next year.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
I agree with that too. The PA touchdown to Schilens was wide open because they did it on 1st down. Finally did something was wasn’t completely predictable based on down and distance. Gradkowski is also soooooooo much better than JaWalrus at the PA fakes which are an underrated part of a QBs game.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
So uh, maybe Murphy should be starting?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Dorian,
Suh is not going to be around. You have a DT that plays soccer (quick on his feet), that leads the team in tackle from the DT position, that has 10 passes defended for the year, that had 4.5 sacks yesterday along with 12 tackles from the DT pos. He should be the heisman winner imo.
He solidify his status as the #1 pick. Unless al is goign to trade up again, we will not have a shot at him.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I’m a Raider fan first and foremost and whoever helps us win I’m 1,000% behind no matter how they do it. Russell has to worry about himelf now I’m done if he wants his job back win it back with hard work and study. He’s 3x more talented than Grads he knows it and the coaches knw it and Grads knows it but talent has to perform……………..period
December 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
The Raiders should NEVER draft skill position players in the 1st round.
Get a DT, OT or LB
All the skill position players of any worth (sans Asomugha) are low round or undrafted free agents
December 6th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
well. maybe washington will be worn out from this overtime game with new orleans.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Cable calling for a sell out against Washington… who’s in
December 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Cable just gave plugs to the fans and ask that they show up nextd week.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I’m a Raider fan first and foremost and whoever helps us win I’m 1,000% behind no matter how they do it.
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Exactly!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
aig. u think we wont have a high pick? why wont he be around?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Would love SUH, we wont be picking high enough to get him…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
i am so glad dhb was hurt this game
December 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I still say our Dline is doing just fine. That big play to Mendenhall was on our LBs. We just need another year in this defense, and we are going to be right where we want to be. You should be able to see it SnB. Those big plays we are giving up while in zone coverage is b/c Branch is still learning.
The announcer made a good point. Because our offense is bad, our defense has had an additionl 2 GAMES worth of plays run against them.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Dorian,
He is THE NUMBER ONE PICK NEXT YEAR. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT. I would love to have him. I would love to see Al trade the franchise to get him. He is that good. The guy was a monster yesterday against Texas. he almost won the game by himself yesterday.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
164.doriangray Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
aig. u think we wont have a high pick? why wont he be around?
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We are going to pick around 10 or 11. Already at 6 or so right now, and I think we will win 1 or 2 more games.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Looks like DHB costs us about 200yds of passing/game.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
SnB
My thoughts exactly and we will draft that way in 2010.
OT in first round and DT in round two.
We are starting to gell a bit but our line play is still soft.
The coaching staff will absolutely stay here and continue to build on continuity.
We finished with a pretty marginal OLine and I am amazed we did what we did today.
Anyone who wants to criticize the coaching please follow another team.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Thec !!!!!
WASSUPER !!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
The only shot at getting him is trading up by Al. Maybe Al gives up #1 pick and Nnamdi as part of the package to whoever holds that spot. Nnamdi’s contract is really a 2 year cuz 3 yr is option and no way Raiders pick up that option.
Corner is overrated position. You win in the trenches.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
#1 PICK? ARE U SURE ? TERENCE CODY TUFF TOO. . SUM TEAM MAY WANT A QB AT NUMBER 1 . A TEAM LIKE CLEVELAND? ST LOUIS MAY PICK DEZ BRYANT WIDE RECIEVER VERY HIGH . MAN . WHAT IF WE GET DEZ BRYANT 1ST ROUND. AND CLAUSEN Q.B. SECOND ROUND?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Who told you about Bruce first???
The guy gets guys to play their hearts out for him and it showed.
3 starts against playoff-level teams (2 on the road)
2-1 6 TD’s 1 int
We can build around him.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
We know Al loves corners but he did let Woodson walk.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Vegas,
you da man. You called it eaerlier today about a 4th qtr drive. Good job bro. How much did you win today.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
I think I did Vegas, lol!
Week 2, remember?
December 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
JB why you giving Saints updates?
WHO GIVES A RATS A$$ ?
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I DO! The Saints just won in OT. Now we still have the possibility of a 16-0 Colts playing a 16-0 Saints in the SB. The winner of which would establish a NFL record that could never be beat – 17-0. That’s why I updated the score.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
HOW TALL IS CLAUSEN ? QBS SHOULD BE AT LEAST 6 -2 . . BUT THERES SOME O TACKLE IN COLLEGE GONNA GET PICKED 1 OR 2 .
December 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
SUH, is a one man wrecking crew. He was even getting Heisman consideration. Will get sacks even on the double team. Will probable go in the first 3 picks
but is the best defensive player on the board.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Jhill
I agree with Oline being the focus and it will help the defense.
Bottom line is our defensive tackles do not make enough plays and do not provide enough face pressure on passes.
When you factor in the money Kelly and Warren make it is a joke.
Our Dline needs more work.
I called Sands(not hard to do) and Burgess leaving this year.
Warren is gone next year and Kelly will have a new salary or he will be gone as well.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Can we PLEASE get a JLH update?
It HAS to be Javon Walker next week if JLH can’t/won’t go.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Suh is da man. that guy is smart and hard worker too.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
We should have been drafting DT, Ot, and LB’s last year.
We should have been taking Dez B this year. He is better than ALL the WR’s that came out this year…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
The formula for success is becoming clear. No JaMarcus. No DHB. Hard running and PA. Get MacFadden into space. The D is playing tough and just needs some help from the O. Congrats to Grads and the WRs, the O line for stepping up, and the entire D for playing tough all game.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
ALABAMA GOT SUMS STUDS ON DEFENSE . SO DOES FLORIDA.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I still say our Dline is doing just fine. That big play to Mendenhall was on our LBs. We just need another year in this defense, and we are going to be right where we want to be. You should be able to see it SnB. Those big plays we are giving up while in zone coverage is b/c Branch is still learning.
The announcer made a good point. Because our offense is bad, our defense has had an additionl 2 GAMES worth of plays run against them.
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Great defenses just get it done.
This defense gives up way too many long runs. The culprit is the front 7.
Draft the best available Defensive Tackle or Linebacker in the 1st round. Warren is in his 10th year anyway and Kelly is very expensive for his production.
Get the best available. We have good defensive ends with Ellis, Seymour, Scott, Shaughnessy, Richardson….we need a REAL DT prescence or Linebacking prescence.
Let’s not forget Jhill…although I am quite shocked to say it…THE OFFENSE WON THE GAME THIS WEEK
December 6th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Charlie,
Going to be really interesting to see how we handle the DTs this offseason. I would prefer to keep Warren. They constantly talk about him being one of the leaders in the locker room, and he’s showed a lot of that on the sidelines. I have NO problem keeping Warren as a backup.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
doriangray Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
ALABAMA GOT SUMS STUDS ON DEFENSE . SO DOES FLORIDA.
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True, but none of them compare to SUH…
I do like the Alabama MLB, I like hime better than spikes from florida.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Can we PLEASE get a JLH update?
It HAS to be Javon Walker next week if JLH can’t/won’t go.
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You know that won’t be the case. It will be DHB!
I hope Murphy has solidified his starting job.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
SHANNON SHARPE WANTED TO TALK BAD BOUT RAIDERS SO MUCH. HE WAS VISIBLY UPSET THEY WON .
December 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
JLH being interviewed on CSNCA right now.he looks and sounds fine.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
I like what Grads is doing for us, but his arm is definitely under-powered.
We need a MLB!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
O-line played well, QB and WR’s played great.
RB’s, still garbage.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Wassup Lefty!
December 6th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
# doriangray Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
HOW TALL IS CLAUSEN ? QBS SHOULD BE AT LEAST 6 -2 . . BUT THERES SOME O TACKLE IN COLLEGE GONNA GET PICKED 1 OR 2 .
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Height: 6 foot 3 inches
Weight: 208 pounds
December 6th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
let the haters hate, we won and they cant change that. smile and be proud nation…
December 6th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
I like what Grads is doing for us, but his arm is definitely under-powered.
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I’ll take his under powered arm right now if Cable keeps rolling him out, and using play action. I hated Gannon and the dink and dunk, but I have to admit I hate losing more. Big armed QBs just don’t seem to have the luck to make it on our team. Fugg it, let’s just complete some passes!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
December 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
What’s w/ all this DHB hating?!? The guy’s green…He needs to sit on the bench more but he’s not a bust yet.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
# vegas raider Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
O-line played well, QB and WR’s played great.
RB’s, still garbage.
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The running game begins with the O-line. We NEED a C, RG & RT minimally. Henderson & Gallery are fine. Fix the line first and Fargas & Bush will be great. DMac is another story. He should be moved to WR (Slot) position. Get him the ball in the open and he MIGHT be able to be productive.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
YALL KNOW ITS SUM O TACKLE WE NEVER HEARD OF GONNA GO 1 OR 2. WHO HEARD OF GUYS LIKE RYAN CLADY TILL DA DRAFT. ELL I DIDNT. MAX UNGER ? WHO ?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I say we pick up a OT, DT, or a LB in the first round. 2nd round a QB just to back up Bruce almighty!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Also, let DMAC return kicks & punts.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
raiders need to draft for the lines next year.def. and picking a MLB to challenge morrison wouldn’t hurt either, he played better today but u never know. see how the last 4 games go , but it would seem that grad should be the starting QB next year. we’ll see. no more jabustus please!!! he would have been sacked 7 times and fumbled 3 times today. no awareness. arm strength doesn’t mean jack if u have NOTHING else.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Great defenses just get it done.
This defense gives up way too many long runs. The culprit is the front 7.
Draft the best available Defensive Tackle or Linebacker in the 1st round. Warren is in his 10th year anyway and Kelly is very expensive for his production.
Get the best available. We have good defensive ends with Ellis, Seymour, Scott, Shaughnessy, Richardson….we need a REAL DT prescence or Linebacking prescence.
Let’s not forget Jhill…although I am quite shocked to say it…THE OFFENSE WON THE GAME THIS WEEK
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Well, we know that Howard, Scott, Seymour, and Shaugnessy will be starting next year. Ellis and Warren will be back as the solid vets, IMO. The key is Kelly. If you think Kelly’s time in Silver and Black is over, then hey, we’ll see. But picking around 10 or 11 isn’t going to net that boss DT you’ve been asking for. Might as well pluck the guy from GB who will be available so Raji can start.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
The Browns are playing SD close.
Quinn is playing well.
3rd and goal from SD’s 4 yard line, down 10-7
December 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
THAT PLAY ACTION CALL WAS BEAUTIFUL . SO WAS THE FLIP TO MCFADDEN. CALE GOOD COACH I BELIEVE. WHO DO U GUYS WANT? A CLONE OF TOM LANDRY / BILL WALSH / & BILL BELICHECK ?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
WE WON!!, why the fuss? people just want to save face and mke their point.
We BEST THE STEELERS in PITTSPUKE!! what else do you want. let tomorrow take care of itself. ENJOY the win for crying out loud.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Warren at $5mill a year is just bad cap management.
If he is that good a leader pay him the league minimum and let him play special teams.
He was cast off by two other NFL teams (Browns and Donkeys) for a reason.
Our DT play is really bad.
They simply make no plays and we constantly have to compensate making the rest of our D look bad.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
I’d say unbelieveable!! But hats off to the Raiders, this one is big!!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
oops. Never mind. lol
Quinn hit and fumbles the ball. SD recovers
December 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
hey,Jhill.JLH gave huge props to Grads presence in the huddle.Jhill,amazing how the play calling can seem so much better when you are executing your offense properly,and your players know the whole playbook.it also helps when your WR-mainly DHB & Murphy-aren’t dropping so many passes but fighting for them and catching them.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
FUKK DRAFTING FOR THE LINE. OUR O LINE PLAYS WELL THIS SEASON. WE NEED A NOTHER WIDE OUT!. A QB! / OUR OFFENSE HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR SIX YEARS! . WE MUST SCORE !
December 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Culebra Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
What’s w/ all this DHB hating?!? The guy’s green…He needs to sit on the bench more but he’s not a bust yet.
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Because DHB has not showed even the most basic skills a WR needs at this level. BEcause in all his games the guy has no production.
Louis Murphy has production.
Production wins games….not all that other stuff
December 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
doriangray Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
FUKK DRAFTING FOR THE LINE. OUR O LINE PLAYS WELL THIS SEASON. WE NEED A NOTHER WIDE OUT!. A QB! / OUR OFFENSE HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR SIX YEARS! . WE MUST SCORE !
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You can draft all the WRs, CBs, Safeties and QBs you want. Just not in the 1st two rounds!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
did DHB catch anything? Sorry didnt follow that game at all.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Play calling and coaching is 20% percent of the game.
PLAYERS need to make plays.
We have plenty of skill and speed.
Lets build the lines and get to the playoffs.
That is the next step.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
another thing,the stealers have the longest streak without letting a RB rush for over a 100 yds and while a single back didn’t go over a 100-combined we did rush for over a 100 yds.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
The Raiders unfortunately do this every year.
They start the season with all of their high-priced acquisitions,….none of whom EARN their starting roles.
Then, when everything falls apart, play the guys who DESERVED to be on the field.
Russell didn’t deserve to start
DHB didn’t deserve to start
DMAC didn’t deserve to start
Yet they did. All year long. And hence the season was thrown away before it started.
I hope Al Davis is learning the lessons from this game today and humbles himself.
Accept that your high priced picks are garbage…and let the players showing hustle play!
Hire a GM so you won’t saddle your team with all of these high priced busts.
Murphy – 4th round
Schilens – 7th round
Gradkowski – off the street
Scott – 6th round
December 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
What great execution that 75 yarder was. Great call, great route, great play-fake, tremendous protection and a beautifully thrown ball thrown away from the defender. Top it off with the catch and run.
WOWWWWWWWWWW!!!!
As much blame as Al deserves for the DHB pick, got to give him his props for Murphy in the 4th round. Great draft pick.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
SnB
Dorian can not be serious.
Probably too many adult beverages as a result of the win.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
How does Roethlisberger grade out at 140 to Gradkowski’s 121?
I’d rather have 3 TD’s & 0 INT’s than 2 TD’s & 1 INT.
Completion percentage be d@mned!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
All of the WR’s below are making serious contributions to their teams….
Maclin
Britt
Massaquoi
Crabtree
B. Robiskie
Nicks
Harvin
L. Murphy
All are rookies, they did not have to do this 2-3 year
waiting period, they came in and start producing.
DHB = garbage…Wasted pick
December 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Raider shock Steelers! YES!!!
Though they did dust off the play book like I requested, the plays were dismal failures, yet, even with O line injuries, the Raiders passing game gets the job done late. Thats right, RECEIVERS actually caught the ball today!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_regular_season
December 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Thats why you been in here pissing on Gradkowski for the last month you POS.
priesttj Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I’m a Raider fan first and foremost and whoever helps us win I’m 1,000%
December 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Jhill,amazing how the play calling can seem so much better when you are executing your offense properly,and your players know the whole playbook.
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lol, Lefty ….
Actaully, this game was called like Cable was calling the games at the end of last year. I don’t think we saw the shotgun ONE time today. Taking DHB off the field got rid of all the vertical routes, IMO.
PA rollouts? I don’t think I’ve seen that all year, and that would include Grad’s previous starts. And really, until the 4th qtr, I didn’t see it much this game.
Great 4th qtr man, that’s all I can say.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
priesttj you are NOT a football guy. You have little or none football knowledge you’re just a buffoon that has a man crush on a 80 yr old man.
After pissing on Gradkowski for 4 weeks now your behind the guy? You and Black Moses can go spoon.
clown
December 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
as far as Grads goes wat important right now is this team needed and got a leader and someone who undderstand defenses and can make some throws. Right now we ned to turn the tide and he’s doing that. We can worry about what to do next……later. We have a guy who can lead us.
When Gannon came I didn’t care for him much either but when I saw he would take the team and win I had to defend that. And I did against a lot of Raider fans that wanted Kerry Collins to start. I have a good friend who literally hated Gannon and when he lost the SB said that he finally showed his true colors. That is SAD!!
We all know Grads may not win a champioship but for right now he is what we neeed…..period.
Boy!! all of a sudden the big BUST Alex Smith is playing some very good football. So is Vince Young. Proving there is hope for Russell if he dedicates himself to the game. A Smith looks good!!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
DHB lost the game against K.C
He also went ahead and screwed up against the Broncos and Texans.
DHB at his best will be a #3….a place where he can use his speed against a nickle back or linebacker.
He is not a number 2.
Murphy is a number 2.
He just makes plays.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I believe teams have figured when Nhamdi is brinkin’ the blitz.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
errrr, “bringin’”
December 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
why don’t you people discuss the positives from this great win.you have all week to go back to your biotching and complaining about the team,the coaches,the players and the owner/GM.ENJOY THE WIN-it isn’t like we get them that often these days.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
SnB
The high priced skill guys are not wasted.
They just need the space to use the speed.
Get an real Oline and watch guys like DHB and DMAC flourish.
Though I agree you can get good skill guys in the later rounds we have them and used high picks to get them.
Let’s leverage their skills by building the Oline in 2010.
Dline needs help as well but I think we can get sufficient help in round two.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
How about LANGSTON WALKER FILLING AT LEFT GUARD?!!!
Oaklands protection was decent against Blitzburgh after he came in. Granted, Grad scrambled and bought time, with Satele and Gallery out and Morris and Walker in, Oakland did pretty well to come away with the win.
The run game pretty mcuhcollapsed when Gallery went out though. Hope his back isn’t bad and he’s on the line next week…
December 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
priesttj you are NOT a football guy. You have little or none football knowledge you’re just a buffoon that has a man crush on a 80 yr old man.
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BrownStainSkidMarks
Jesus Christ man, Why are you soooo unhappy?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
If he dedicates himself is a big “IF”.
BRL is not a leader of men…. I wonder if you were to pole the team who would they want at QB right now
Who would they want, BRL, or Grads????
December 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Cable about killed me with that double-throw play-call.
No need for it at that time.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Snb, man, stop whinning for one day dude. enjoy the win you can start whinning again at 12:01 midnight but give it a rest will ya’
December 6th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Priesttj,
Russell will never be the answer because he doesn’t have the courtesy to show up in shape or make meetings on time.
VY, Alex Smith, Leinart and Quinn at least stayed in shape and attended meetings.
Russell is just a Southern kid overwhelmed by his surroundings.
A simple interview would have picked that up. Or put him on the chalkboard.
I don’t know if Gradkowski will be anything more than a backup….but JaMarcus Russell should be cut with immediate effect!
And take DHB with him back to the old south!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Priesttj,
Russell will never be the answer because he doesn’t have the courtesy to show up in shape or make meetings on time.
VY, Alex Smith, Leinart and Quinn at least stayed in shape and attended meetings.
Russell is just a Southern kid overwhelmed by his surroundings.
A simple interview would have picked that up. Or put him on the chalkboard.
I don’t know if Gradkowski will be anything more than a backup….but JaMarcus Russell should be cut with immediate effect!
And take DHB with him back to the old south!
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POST OF THE DAY…..
December 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I always thought Murphy reminded me of a young Andre Rison.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
KK, are we all still racist for questioning Russell?
Fraud, bigot, race bater, liberal
lol
December 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
SnB,
Dude! What are you doing? Why are you in here bashing our players who were not even on the field?
We won, man, damn!
Russell and DHB were NOT ON THE FIELD!
Cable is getting better, and so is Murphy. You said you wanted to see improvement, so what gives?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Jhill,we were in the shotgun the majority of the time in the 4th QTR.how can you say the vertical game wasn’t utilized?75 yd TD pass.another near miss on a long pass.it was there,we just finally executed.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
It ranked up there with the Seabass fake FG.
# vegas raider Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Cable about killed me with that double-throw play-call.
No need for it at that time.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Charlie Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
SnB
The high priced skill guys are not wasted.
They just need the space to use the speed.
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No, today’s win was about players making plays. Not about 40x or draft status.
Had we just went ahead and played the best players instead of trying to justify stupid draft picks.
We’d be in a better place right now!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
All of the WR’s below are making serious contributions to their teams….
Maclin
Britt
Massaquoi
Crabtree
B. Robiskie
Nicks
Harvin
L. Murphy
All are rookies, they did not have to do this 2-3 year
waiting period, they came in and start producing.
DHB = garbage…Wasted pick Thanks Mr. Davis for your ineptitude….
December 6th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Thec you cant call him a bust after 1 season, especially when Jamarcus Russell was his Qb.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
SnB,
Dude! What are you doing? Why are you in here bashing our players who were not even on the field?
We won, man, damn!
Russell and DHB were NOT ON THE FIELD!
Cable is getting better, and so is Murphy. You said you wanted to see improvement, so what gives?
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Because this team should have been at this level to begin with. I am elated by the win…but disappointed that it again takes us until week 12 to figure it out.
I also think that today highlights how inept Russell and DHB really are.
The fact that those two BUSTS are still on the roster should give us all pause…because you know there is a good chance they get back on the field
December 6th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Cable is probably the best HC we can get so we might as well keep him. However if he doesn’t agree to step down as OC someone should take him out to the tool shed put him out of his misery.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Jhill,we were in the shotgun the majority of the time in the 4th QTR.how can you say the vertical game wasn’t utilized?75 yd TD pass.another near miss on a long pass.it was there,we just finally executed.
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Those long plays came off PA, not out of the shotgun. The 2 minute drive was out of the shotgun, you’re right about that. And, now that I think about it, we did line up in the shotgun and ran out of it. toss sweeps to fargas even on third down. My bad on that.
But the vertical game was NOT in effect today. Run left, run right, PA rollouts.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Thec you cant call him a bust after 1 season, especially when Jamarcus Russell was his Qb.
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Brown, coming out of college DHB had ZERO hands. He doesnt make plays… Not by coincidence the team looks
decent after him, and Black Ryan Leaf are on the bench.
He should have never been drafted that high.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
why don’t you people discuss the positives from this great win.you have all week to go back to your biotching and complaining about the team,the coaches,the players and the owner/GM.ENJOY THE WIN-it isn’t like we get them that often these days.
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They complain becuase they think that a Raider win goes against their war against Al Davis. They don’t realize that you can not be happy with the direction the the team and still enjoy a win. Go back and look at the Philly and Cincy games. You had people melting down on this board. God help ‘em if we win 2 in a row.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Jhill is still sore that we are better with Gradkowski.
-No more blaming the O-line.
-No more blaming the WR’s
-No more blaming the play calling
-No more blaming DMAC or BUSH
No more Black friggin Moses sucking the life out of this team!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Jhill,amazing how the play calling can seem so much better when you are executing your offense properly,and your players know the whole playbook.
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lol, Lefty ….
Actaully, this game was called like Cable was calling the games at the end of last year. I don’t think we saw the shotgun ONE time today. Taking DHB off the field got rid of all the vertical routes, IMO.
PA rollouts? I don’t think I’ve seen that all year, and that would include Grad’s previous starts. And really, until the 4th qtr, I didn’t see it much this game.
Great 4th qtr man, that’s all I can say.
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We DID see the shotgun today several times. We also saw the vertical routes several times too! IN fact, Gradkowski over threw Murphy and Higgins on 3 occasions where they were wide open. Russell would’ve been crucified…
Grad DID connect on a 75 yd TD pass to Murphy and I’d say yeah, that definitely qualified as a deep ball vertical route.
It was the Raiders best out put on offense by far partly because the run game, partly because the receviers made grabs.
Grad was innacurrate several times and wides dropped passes that hit them in the hands, but they made more then they dropped this game and it made the difference.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Thec you still have to give him more than a year.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
SnB,
DHB and Russell shouldn’t be on the roster? Really?
Ok, bruh, if you say so.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Billboard goes up.
Bey goes down.
Whaddya think?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Jhill, you will get over this win just like when we beat Cinn, you bounced back didnt you kiddo ?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Billboard goes up.
Bey goes down.
Whaddya think?
Coinky-dinky?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Kowski Kowski Kowski
Russell can sit for 2 more years and be instrumental in the receiver corp learning to handle missles coming at them…well about 15 yards behind them.
I’m happy with any wins we get the rest of the year. When we get a chance to spoil playoff hopes, they are 2x as nice.
Jamarcus can sit back and plan his post-NFL life. Maybe he gets a few Chrysler car dealerships to drive into the ground?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Lets take it for what it is, sloppy first half, TEAM coming together in the secend half, proud of both lines, they took it on then chin, the RAIDER PRIDE took over, we defeated the SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS, but then again, we are THE RAIDERS! We have the talent in this young team, second half they looked like they wanted it! Play on, RAIDERS!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
# jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
SnB,
DHB and Russell shouldn’t be on the roster? Really?
Ok, bruh, if you say so.
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Give 3 reasons why either one should be.
Ok..give one.
Just one.
Russell brings zero to the table. Nada..zilch…not even sure if he’s salvageable. Does nothing right, and pretty much everything wrong.
Bey? guys a train wreck, and a liability.
So..in your opinion, what ONE thing would make you, as a GM want them on your team?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Thec you still have to give him more than a year.
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All of the WR’s below are making serious contributions to their teams….
Maclin
Britt
Massaquoi
Crabtree
B. Robiskie
Nicks
Harvin
L. Murphy
Brown, With all due respect BRUH,
This list says I dont have to give DHB SH!T….
F@CK him, and his horse and carrige.
He and BRL are F@CKing robbers….
December 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Jhill is still sore that we are better with Gradkowski.
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Now why would that be since I said he should be starting since week 2?
You on the other hand were ADAMANT that Russell should still be starting and that Gradkowski wasn’t the answer. Absolutely HILARIOUS that you are now in here acting like you supported him all along.
Go play with Priest and Kell dude, b/c we all know you have NOTHING football or Raider related to say that doesn’t include a JaMeatball blast.
You’re not funny at all man, and 90% of you post suck, IMO!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RealMadden, one thing you’re NOT is a Raiders fan. You won’t EVER say anything that’s positive. How about giving them credit for a win?? No one in the Raiders Organization thinks this is a Super Bowl win. But they do think it’s a positive. And Gradkowski showed what happens when you play 60 minutes in focus and don’t give up. And NO ONE thinks he is the second coming of Elway. But he has guts.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
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December 6th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
The basis for my complaints…..
The coaches knew all of this in training camp!
That’s all I am saying. when the Raiders focus on winnning football games starting in May, June and training camp will be the day that we can really cheer.
Murphy outperformed DHB all summer long. Yet it took an injury to get him the starting job once Schilens got back.
Russell didn’t know the playbook in training camp…yet it took 10 long weeks of the most inept offensive football in league history to make a change.
Each season is precious. Yet we seem treat them all like preseason is year round.
If you can beat the Eagles, Bengals and Steelers….you should be able to beat the Texans, Chiefs and Jets!
That’s about consistency and a focus on winning every week!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Where was Scott lined up when he got his sack? Was he standing up on the line?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Shouldnt take 7 years to build a program…. Looks like we will spending at least 7 and counting…
December 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Jhill try some comfort food like pizza, ice cream, or jellybeans you will get over this win by wednesday.
If Gradkowski gets hurt and Jameatball plays again you can resume blaming the O-line, play calling, Wr’s, etc etc.
Hold your head up lil guy things gonna be alright!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Thec, theres a list of greats that had terrible first years give the kid some time.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
SnB, well said! Period!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
KK
The owners are rumored to be getting rid of the revenue sharing next year. High draft picks are gonna be expected to produce even faster. Small market teams are gonna have to listen to fans if that happens.
But be careful what you ask for. Odds are once the Raiders are a viable team winning games they will move.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
People still complaining and mad at Al today.
Enjoy the amazing fourth quarter comeback today. When was the last time we had a QB throw 3 4th Quarter TD’s?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
All of a sudden the WR’s made plays.
Boy toy Bey out.
Coinky-dinky?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Give 3 reasons why either one should be.
Ok..give one.
Just one.
Russell brings zero to the table. Nada..zilch…not even sure if he’s salvageable. Does nothing right, and pretty much everything wrong.
Bey? guys a train wreck, and a liability.
So..in your opinion, what ONE thing would make you, as a GM want them on your team?
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Uhhh … I can give you 30 million reasons for Russell still being on the roster and trying to develop him.
Same for DHB.
Money is already spent so TRY and coach the kid back to where he was just 10 games ago. At the end of last season, NOT ONE person was talking shyt about Russell. Now he can’t even be the backup?
He should actually be 3rd string behind Frye right now, but surely on the roster. Plenty of examples of reclamation projects like Alex Smith, VY, Leinart to warrant him still being on the roster. CMON!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
FUKK DRAFTING FOR THE LINE. OUR O LINE PLAYS WELL THIS SEASON. WE NEED A NOTHER WIDE OUT!. A QB! / OUR OFFENSE HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR SIX YEARS! . WE MUST SCORE !
are you al davis undercover?!~!!! dumbest statement i have heard!! draft another wideout?? ur a moron, end of story.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Thec, theres a list of greats that had terrible first years give the kid some time.
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Brown, Rice was an exception to the rule. He wasnt taken in the first round. the progression of football suggest that the players come out NFL READY. DHB is a project, Will he ever pan out I hope so… I will
lay off the younster but WTF was MR. Davis Thinking.
Murphy > DHB and its not even close.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
brought to you by doriangray!!!!!!
FUKK DRAFTING FOR THE LINE. OUR O LINE PLAYS WELL THIS SEASON. WE NEED A NOTHER WIDE OUT!. A QB! / OUR OFFENSE HAS BEEN HORRIBLE FOR SIX YEARS! . WE MUST SCORE !
are you al davis undercover?!~!!! dumbest statement i have heard!! draft another wideout?? ur a moron, end of story.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
DT42 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
KK
The owners are rumored to be getting rid of the revenue sharing next year. High draft picks are gonna be expected to produce even faster. Small market teams are gonna have to listen to fans if that happens.
But be careful what you ask for. Odds are once the Raiders are a viable team winning games they will move.
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Quite frankly, I’d rather see them move, if it helps them. Same as I said when they moved to LA.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Enjoy the amazing fourth quarter comeback today.
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Seems pretty hard to do for some so called fans. Have to find a way to trash the BACKUPS, lol!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Murphy wasn’t a starter today.Chaz & JLH were.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
I fear DHB will be as good as alvis Whitted. Murphy is way better. I believe you can teach route running at this level but you should have learned how to catch in Highschool and college already. Sorry but dhb doesnt have catching skills. He can’t estimate the ball when it is in the air nor catches it naturally with his hands.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Thec c’mon man you know Rice isnt the only other to have bad rookie seasons.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Agree Vegas, how’d you do? lol
December 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
guy on the radio is right. We might be 7 wins if we had let Jamarcus sit a little longer.
Anyway, Cable showed he can run this team by sitting Russell. You have to have the gift of persuasion to deal with Al Davis.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Billboard goes up
Bey goes down
WR’s make plays.
Coinky-dinky?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Our Philly D showed up, our O stepped up, I’m so proud of the kid’s! Give em a day off, then push em!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Thec c’mon man you know Rice isnt the only other to have bad rookie seasons.
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Lobbies hard to Russell to still be the starting QB, and now you are in here telling us about DHB ?????
LMFAO!
Yeah, you want us to win!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Brown, your right man…. I just have a hard time with MR. Davis at the helm, its more of an indictment of Mr. davis and his bootlicks than anything else…
December 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
great win for the raiders, so just enjoy it. raiders played a GREAT game and deserve a lot of credit. i would think that some of the old timers in here would be thrilled that oak beat the steelers in pit, while at the same time knocking the steelers out of the playoffs. awesome win. lets worry about the negative stuff later.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Who is this dude doing the 9er game he sounds like Forest Gump
December 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
BDatla yes he was standing facked dropping in coverage then blitzed.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
We have to find a way for this offensive production to carry over to the FIRST qtr next week. We can’t keep waiting until the last 7 or 8 minutes to get something going.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Manass, Raiders just being Raiders, almost seems like the old days…..
December 6th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
faked
December 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Louis Murphy caught terribly thrown balls today.
I’m just happy Bey got mysteriously hurt.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Props to the defense for holding the Steelers to 10 pts for most of the game!
Props to JLH today! Hope he bounces back from that hit.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Priest on the line ….
LOL!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Our Philly D showed up, our O stepped up, I’m so proud of the kid’s! Give em a day off, then push em!
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I hope you are talking about the fans.
Right now is exactly the time that Cable has to stay on em.
They have to show the ability to demonstrate consistency. Something that hasn’t been done in 7yrs.
As we all know, one win in isolation means little…get 2 or 3 and you are really starting to build something
December 6th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Today was not a “great” win for the Raiders.
It would have been if it had been played by our players of the future and the high-pick franchise players.
But it wasn’t, Russell and DHB on the bench, DMAC getting 9 touches for 25yds, Bush 1 rush & 1 pass. Did Mitchell play?
It just indicates that the future of our team has to be re-engineered….again.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Priest is onh KSFO right now!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
WR’s made plays
Bey out
Coinky-dinky?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Priest is dead on with this call!
Good Call!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
And Priest is still talking up Russell but giving Bruce credit for the game.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I think that was the best call I’ve heard from Priest.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Coinky-dinky = KK
December 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Props to the Defense as well.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
I think Priest is Herrera
December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
All he said about Russell was that he was immature, and don’t give up on him.
But he gave all the props in the world to who deserved it today in Bruce Gradkowski and Murphy.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
SNB
That is where the business of football comes in. The team have invested 32 million $$ on JRus. They are going to give him every chance to get things going. In the old days he would have sit and watched for at least 3 years but now teams don’t develop players like they used to and College teams don’t coach players they just get out of their way and let there physical gifts take over.
You want to see the best example of this look at DHB and Vernon Davis. Same college, same off the chart physical gifts and same problems. Can’t catch. Davis looks like he is getting better but for DHB its too early too tell but he needs someone to teach him the position. In the past the Raiders had vets and Freddy B. as their position coach but with Sanjay Lal i think that the organization is just asking too much from a coach that has no history of teaching the postion.
And comparing DHB to Murphy is not fair. Murphy knew he had to do twice as much just to make the team. Plus there has been a stigma with Gator WR’s not producing in the NFL. He had the right mentality coming in the season. DHB will get it together and he has a great example in Murphy.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Hey….I guess if someone told me the Raiders would be 2-1 after a 3 game stretch involving the Bengals, Cowboys and Steelers……I would have asked what flavor kool-aid they were drinking.
Good show!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Like the rest of us Priest is first and formost a Raider.
He’s right Bruce did say that Garcia was his mentor.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
SnB, we did that last year at the end, it didn’t carry over, my chips are not in on JR yet, he has potential, but he is young, and needs a good mentor 3 years ago. Life has not been good, but you would think he would step up and demand excellance. We dropped a lot of balls in the first half today, that has to stop, we can be very good, if for stupid mistakes!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Like the rest of us Priest is first and formost a Raider.
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Exactly man! Give the dude a break, we all root for the same team. He wants to see this team win more than anyone, wouldn’t you say?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
but he is young, and needs a good mentor 3 years ago.
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3 years ago …
LMFAO!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Man I can’t remember the last time I yelled at my tv this much.
The Nation needs to sell out that stadium for the Washington game-who took New Orleans to overtime.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
You can never go wrong drafting good linemen. I would love to see us get a dominant middle linebacker, though
December 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
JHill:
More than me? That’s a lot but I agree.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
the weaklink on our D is def the LB position. I think the db’s and DL are avg but the LB corp is way below avg. Mclain from Alabama will do it.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Jhill Says:
xactly man! Give the dude a break, we all root for the same team. He wants to see this team win more than anyone, wouldn’t you say?
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All that mfkr cares about is vindicating Al Davis.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
lol England …
December 6th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Funny watching some of the spineless worms here backtrack.
Look at Priest..where he GUARANTEED how Grab couldn’t get it done, couldn’t score, couldn’t move the chains, and GUARANTEED HE WOULD BE BENCHED VERY SOON, and that Russell would be back in.
Now?
the hypocrite two faced worm now is saying “the Great Grabowski”??
Typical worm act.
And Alisgod? lmao..the only thing he doesn’t waffle on is that he’s a coward when a man is in his face, but he’ll proudly backhand a woman, because “they deserve it”.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Tomlin on Sbpn is pathetic, he got whooped, period, and the announcers are justifing it, except for Freeble?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Bey out
WR’s make plays
Conky-dinky?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Please shut up about busts.
Johnny Unitas got cut by the Steelers because he was a bust.
LEARN ABOIUT FOOTBALL before proving your ignorance.
Look around the league.
Guys make plays when the opportunity is afforded to them.
Nothing more and nothing less.
Those opportunities are afforded by LINE PLAY.
Yes I wish we had focused on the line in 2008 and 2009 drafts but we did not.
Eighty percnet of you guys wanted JR, Dmac and Crabtree in the last three drafts so shut up about the busts in the first round.
When we build the Oline we will win.
Until then deal with your young inconsistent skill guys.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I doubt some of you even pay attention to anything except your own next points of beetchiness.
The Raiders lost their starting center and left guard against a Dick LeBeau defense and still held it together. That is impressive.
They drove the field after a Hines Ward personal foul (uncalled) TD for the winning score.
Even – kudos to – McFade had an impact play (well two, but the other one was a horrible call by Cable) when the game was on the line. I asked for an impact game, but a single play is good enough.
Focus on something other than your own deficiencies and enjoy the victory!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
DT42 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
SNB
That is where the business of football comes in. The team have invested 32 million $$ on JRus. They are going to give him every chance to get things going.
And comparing DHB to Murphy is not fair. Murphy knew he had to do twice as much just to make the team. Plus there has been a stigma with Gator WR’s not producing in the NFL. He had the right mentality coming in the season. DHB will get it together and he has a great example in Murphy.
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Couple of things….I understand “business decisions” but there is also a business concept that is called “sunk costs” or “escalating commitment”
Basically it means that you don’t throw more time and investment into something that is not delivering, and shows no realistic sign of delivering, just because you spent a ton of money in the past.
If Russell was just struggling through the position…I could understand the investment thing. But after hearing about the weight issue, skipping OTAs, skipping position meetings, being late, and not knowing the playbook….the Raider leadership cheated the players, coaches and fans by putting this guy out there.
AS for DHB vs. Murphy…DHB should be in here with the SAME drive as Murphy (as you said in your post). Murphy is fighting for the job and performing…DHB SHOULD NOT play ahead of him just because of his status.
I would rather win knowing I wasted a ton of money…than to lose knowing I wasted a ton of money.
Perhaps the lesson of Gradkowski and Murphy will teach Davis to think twice before sending the card up to the Commissioner on draft day!
December 6th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
KoolKell is like the “chinese water torture”….drip, drip, drip, drip…….
December 6th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
i wonder if Jerry watches the same game as the rest of us.in his above post he calls the blatant face mask grab and pull by Hines Ward subtle.subtle hell,he almost twisted his head off and the official was looking right at him.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Billboard goes up.
Bey goes down.
WR’s make plays, my gawd.
Coinky-dinky
December 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Kell,
And a lot of folks would say that all you care about is tearing Al down.
We are all frustrated with stuff that’s going on, but it does no good for the fans to turn on each other, IMO. What good does it do to sit here and argue about Al when you KNOW he’s not going anywhere. When you know that the difference between today’s win and the KC loss is Murphy catching the ball. Cable calls plays for DHB, we lose. Last 2 weeks, we don’t do that and we win. What does Al have to do with players making plays?
December 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Lonetree:
I pointed that out some time back.
Bruce won anyway. The man has grit.
You know what, this team has grit.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Today was not a “great” win for the Raiders.
It would have been if it had been played by our players of the future and the high-pick franchise players.
But it wasn’t, Russell and DHB on the bench, DMAC getting 9 touches for 25yds, Bush 1 rush & 1 pass. Did Mitchell play?
It just indicates that the future of our team has to be re-engineered….again.
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I disagree, its a team game. If you have productive players on the field leave them there and let them play. Not every star in the NFL are the top draft picks. If its Grad, Murphy and Branch that are leading the way then so be it. If the others come around then it makes the team stronger.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Jhill Says:
xactly man! Give the dude a break, we all root for the same team. He wants to see this team win more than anyone, wouldn’t you say?
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All that mfkr cares about is vindicating Al Davis.
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He’s kind of the flip side of you, in that sense. You would rather the Raiders don’t win if it means vindicating Al Davis. You guys are both full of it.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Charlie, I wanted Kenny Britt so bad for WR, look what we have!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Lefty:
Jerry watched this game like he used to watch Snake beat the Steelers with his dad and he LOVED it.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
# jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Give 3 reasons why either one should be.
Ok..give one.
Just one.
Russell brings zero to the table. Nada..zilch…not even sure if he’s salvageable. Does nothing right, and pretty much everything wrong.
Bey? guys a train wreck, and a liability.
So..in your opinion, what ONE thing would make you, as a GM want them on your team?
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Uhhh … I can give you 30 million reasons for Russell still being on the roster and trying to develop him.
Same for DHB.
Money is already spent so TRY and coach the kid back to where he was just 10 games ago. At the end of last season, NOT ONE person was talking shyt about Russell. Now he can’t even be the backup?
RICHOCHET: Is he a liability? I say yes. Is he someone you want behind center? I say no. When you see the difference between Grab, an admitted less than stellar qb, behind center, as compared to Russell, it’s a huge difference. Not marginal, but huge.
that alone is reason enough to want a Frye, or Garcia, or whoever back there as a backup.
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He should actually be 3rd string behind Frye right now, but surely on the roster. Plenty of examples of reclamation projects like Alex Smith, VY, Leinart to warrant him still being on the roster. CMON!
RICHOCHET: Smith, Young, Leinart have all done something russell has never done..worked their ass off. Gave 100%. Cared about being the best they can be. All have taken responsibility when they should have.
Russell has done none of the above.
so..just because he got a brink’s truck backed up to his driveway, should he not be held to the same standards as others who weren’t as lucky? He should work even HARDER to justify the money..but he doesn’t.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
KK, I just farted! did Al Davis have anything to do with that. What a paranoid conspiracy theorist.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Mike Davis you make an outstanding point.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
richochet how does admitting youre wrong mean youre spineless
December 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
i dont think its a coincidence bruce had his best game with chaz and jlh starting and not dhb and murphy. this is what the opening day lineup was supposed to be. bruce did great coming back but giving up on russell is dumb. this is only 1 game so lets not get ahead of ourselves. i wanna see how we do the rest of the year. we need to commit to bush and dmc before giving up on them. i still dont like cable and want him fired but i loved beatin the burg. now i can go talk alot shiznit to these spoiled azz steeler fans at work 2morrow.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Trevor Scott looked solid in his 2nd game at LB. I think this might actually work out. Give him an offseason to get used to the position, and I think we’re pretty set at OLB.
I’m with you on the line, Charlie. Just not sure if we should go the FA route or draft. I keep asking what you think the plan is for Walker. He stepped in nicely for Gallery. He immediately put Barnes and Pears on the inactive list which says A LOT. I think he’s in the plans for next year.
Tommy Kelly and Langston Walker are the keys to your Oline wishes.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Todd
My point is we can pick up skill guys that can make plays in rounds three-seven.
Build a solid Oline in rounds one and two and we are a playoff team.
Until then we celebrate a meaningless win against an overrated Steelers team and think about the April draft in December.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
# Charlie Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Please shut up about busts.
Johnny Unitas got cut by the Steelers because he was a bust.
LEARN ABOIUT FOOTBALL before proving your ignorance.
Look around the league.
Guys make plays when the opportunity is afforded to them.
Nothing more and nothing less.
Those opportunities are afforded by LINE PLAY.
Yes I wish we had focused on the line in 2008 and 2009 drafts but we did not.
Eighty percnet of you guys wanted JR, Dmac and Crabtree in the last three drafts so shut up about the busts in the first round.
When we build the Oline we will win.
Until then deal with your young inconsistent skill guys.
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Oh..I see.
If the guys a total bust..no one should state it because the oline sucks?
the Oline threw that badly thrown ball?
the Oline caused Bey to drop balls right in his hands?
Wow. Great stuff there…FOR A FREAKING MORON.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Mike Davis Red Right 88!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Apologies EnglandRaider, I only scanned quickly thru the diatribes. Glad you pointed it all out earlier.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Kell,
And a lot of folks would say that all you care about is tearing Al down.
We are all frustrated with stuff that’s going on, but it does no good for the fans to turn on each other, IMO. What good does it do to sit here and argue about Al when you KNOW he’s not going anywhere.
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No, If I thought Al Davis was invulnerable I wouldn’t be here.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
JHill,
Do you honestly want the Raiders spending 1st round draft picks on skill position players anymore.
They need to take a break from that position. Just take a break and take the best available lineman/linebacker (either side) this year.
Especially given that the lower round guys are becoming the heroes of this team
December 6th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
hines ward is straight biotch!!. he blatantly pulled down cj’s facemask right in front of the refs and no call was made. i really want somebody to knock that little punk into next year. i was hoping mitchell would get to do it. that hold on mario was bull too. it was a typical drive block. seymour got tackled on
the mendenhall td but that was let go not to mention several other holds they got away with.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Man Flores sounded down right giddy today!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
EnglandRaider,
is it the Queen’s English proper to say F6ck off to such as MR and Rico?
December 6th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
# 16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
richochet how does admitting youre wrong mean youre spineless
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Oh stop with your silly attempts to back every asinine thing Priest says.
the tool called everyone every name in the book, stating how IGNORANT EVERYONE HERE IS BECAUSE THEY WANTED A CHANGE..cussed out poster after poster who wanted Bey benched..nonstop “I LOVE AL. IT”S NOT AL’S FAULT’ whining…ALONG WITH GUARANTEEING EVERYONE WAS WRONG ABOUT GRAB.
The hypocrite guaranteed Grab COULD NOT WIN.
Guaranteed Grab would BE BENCHED.
Now? he has egg on his face. And acts like he was behind “The Great Grabowski” all along, as he calls him..
He’s a hypocrite. Acting like he now is a big supporter is disingenuous and fools no one..except you.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Jhill
I only believe in building the Oline through the draft.
If you could get a guy like a Steve Hutchinson via FA fine. A FA needs to be proven and very rarely do they perform up to their bloated salaries.
Do not waste time on cast offs like Barnes, Pears and WALKER.
These guys are all available because they have huge holes in their game.
Like Cornell Green they may be OK as a backup but we need to start drafted five studs to win in this league.
The best value is draft lineman in the first two rounds them and let them play.
Draft your skill guys in round three-seven.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Murphy: 4 rec 128 yds 2 TDs
Higgins: 4 rec 63 yds
Miller: 4 rec 43 yds
Schilens: 3 rec 45 yds
That’s called actual production.
Production should be the ONLY factor in determining who gets on the field
December 6th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Mike Davis 36 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Jhill Says:
xactly man! Give the dude a break, we all root for the same team. He wants to see this team win more than anyone, wouldn’t you say?
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All that mfkr cares about is vindicating Al Davis.
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He’s kind of the flip side of you, in that sense. You would rather the Raiders don’t win if it means vindicating Al Davis. You guys are both full of it.
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In all honesty, you may be right. It’s just that the record and facts are on my side.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
When you see the difference between Grab, an admitted less than stellar qb, behind center, as compared to Russell, it’s a huge difference. Not marginal, but huge.
that alone is reason enough to want a Frye, or Garcia, or whoever back there as a backup.
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No doubt!
I think the plan was for Garcia to be the starter this year, but he quit so what could they do? Garcia would’ve been the starter, Russell the backup, and Grads #3. The fact that Grads is a Garcia clone tells me that Cable and Hackett prefer that type of QB over Russell. For whatever reason.
Look, the guy is a backup and #2 at that, so he is a snap away from being back on the field. For that reason alone, I have to stay somewhat positive about is potential, lol. I’m not really in to not rooting for players who wear our colors. Don’t really have many options as long as DHB and Russell put on a Raider uniform.
Heck, I even went down with the Terdell Sands ship, lol. So Russell and DHB are nothing.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Charlie, been pushing the lines for 5 years, we are mince meat at the lines, not a RAIDERS lines, WCO besides, this is not AD football, not Raider football. I admire how our lines stepped up today, have they held back on us? Our Philly D line looked as of the old? Are they just kids, or are they Pros? I see some great thing here, and so sloppy things here? This is not my Raiders!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
charlie is right about the lines but i tell u what they should let walker move to rg and see how that works cuz im tired of seeing cooper get bullied. i will be hyping up suh all offseason like snb did raji. we need a damn billboard tellin al to do what it takes to move up. i dont see us winning more than 5 games. until they show me they can go back to back im still takin this win for what it is.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Lonetree@
In the case of Mr, go ahead and say it anyway.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell:
My hat’s off to you for admitting that.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
SUH will be gone by the time we pick. SUH is the man, will go 1, 2 or 3 but doubht he goes later than that..
December 6th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
richochet 1st his name is gradkowski and 2nd im not trying to back up anybody this is what you said “Funny watching some of the spineless worms here backtrack.” So you basically said anybody who didnt think gradkowski would do better than russell and now sees that he can do better is spineless and backtracking and 3rd i think everything going on is al’s fault
December 6th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Richocet
Please remove your head from your posterior.
I will translate later since you appear to be intelectually challenged.
QB’S need to step into throws to demonstrate good mechanics.
Yes the Oline is responsible for a QB running for his life and throwing off his back foot.
Yes the Oline is responsible for creating enough space and time for a runner to run and for pass plays to develop.
Without a good Oline you have no offense.
Until we get a real Oline you can not evaluate our offensive personnel properly.
Do you know what good Oline play even looks like?
Watch some film of the Raiders of the 70’s and learn.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
After sitting and watching for a year and a half Alex Smith looks like a very good QB. I know I’ve said it once, but I can’t believe how poised he is and accurate. It just goes to show it takes time to learn what it takes at this level. This is really something to watch.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
armond Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
charlie is right about the lines but i tell u what they should let walker move to rg and see how that works cuz im tired of seeing cooper get bullied. i will be hyping up suh all offseason like snb did raji. we need a damn billboard tellin al to do what it takes to move up. i dont see us winning more than 5 games. until they show me they can go back to back im still takin this win for what it is.
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I will once again be championing the Lines this year.
Suh won’t make it to the Raiders though…..No way.
I will be happy with any pick that is not a RB, QB, DB or WR!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
JHill,
Do you honestly want the Raiders spending 1st round draft picks on skill position players anymore.
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We disagree on Al the GM, SnB. Everyone makes mistakes in the draft. Can you imagine if we actually took Quinn #1? The critics would still be out.
Gallery and Huff are turning into VERY productive players when a lot of folks wanted them cut.
Going into this season, no one had any concerns with Russell.
I sure would like to see DMAC get 25 touches a game so we could see.
Didn’t like the DHB pick at all, but Murphy more than makes up for it.
The draft is a crap shoot.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Mike Davis 36 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
KoolKell:
My hat’s off to you for admitting that.
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Thanks, Man. All I care about is the bottom line, really.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
priesttj Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
After sitting and watching for a year and a half Alex Smith looks like a very good QB. I know I’ve said it once, but I can’t believe how poised he is and accurate. It just goes to show it takes time to learn what it takes at this level. This is really something to watch.
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Priesttj,
If Russell gets is behind in shape. If he has the discipline to get up in the morning and make meetings on time. If he has the capability of learning the entire playbook.
I don’t think this guy is it. After 3yrs…his issues are more basic than that of any other QB. AGain, all those other young QBs stayed in shape and attended meetings…..when you don’t even do those things…you are on your way out of the league and back to Mobile where you can live a life of luxury…maybe being an assistant coach for the local high school team or something.
Russell really let me down with his antics this year…disappointing!
But Gradkowski showed the determination to want to succeed. For now that is good enough
December 6th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Wassup Armond!
Totally agree on Walker at RG! I think we should maybe grab a RT at 10 or 11. All the good DTs will be gone by then.
Routt is starting to play pretty well at nickle. Maybe we bring him back instead of going with a CB/KR with our first round. But if he walks, get ready for that CB/KR with our 1st rd pick.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Russell is just Jeff George/Ryan Leaf trying to get back in the game.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Are We All RAIDERS here?
December 6th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
i think this years draft is so deep some players that would have went in the 1st rd last year will go in the 2nd or even 3rd this year depending on which team needs what
December 6th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Just tell me you’re in!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
But if he walks, get ready for that CB/KR with our 1st rd pick.
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And that would be an absolute disappointment.
Somebody get us our own Patrick Willis!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The issue with Russell was pretty clear. He was just inaccurate. His in accuracy caused a lot of 3 and outs which means we never got to run a lot of plays, not that he didn’t know the playbook.
It really doesn’t matter now since Gradkowski is clearly the QB to close out the season. When it is really going to matter is this offseason when Gradkowski’s agent demands a raise, lol!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
SnB, draft picks are so far away, so are 4.40’s, you know how we deal, no I’m not happy with it, but I hope Al reads this post!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Louis Murphy steal of a pick, too bad DHB had to be hurt,benched to contribute.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Do you guys really think this guy wants to be in Mobile alabama instead of playing QB in the NFL.
The guy got his FIRST wake up call of his life, for goodness sakes. As far as he knew, he was the man in Oakland with the owners backing, and he was right.
If Cable was so down on the guy, why is he not the 3rd QB and inactive like VY was when he got benched?
December 6th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Look at Allen Iverson after getting a wakeup call and realizing his shyt does stink after all.
People can be humbled, you know.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
A BIG congrats to the players on this gutty win and Cable for calling some decent plays for once.
Too bad he is so freakin inconsistent.
Looks like this team may have a QB in da Bruce!
Nice homecoming for Bruce and it sure seems like the starters at WR better remain Chaz and Murphy with JLH and DHB battling for 3 and 4.
I think Scott is a DEFINATE keeper at WLB because he plays it ideally and with his versatility to play well standing up and sometimes as a down DE, he will continue to be able to make plays all over the field.
The weakness of the defense is of course Kelly and Warren. The DT Suh from Nebraska would be great fit for the defense to replace one if not both of those guys with Bryant waiting in the wings as well. The other big need is a BEAST MLB.
I liked seeing L Walker be versatile enough to fill in for Gallery at LG and I see his future being a RG next year to compete with Carlisle. The team also needs a STUD RT and another Center to compete with Samson and Morris.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Because he’s a Raider! Everthing on that platau is golden!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Why would that be sad, SnB?
Wouldn’t we need a nickle corner and KR if Routt leaves? We would ONLY have CJ and Nnamdi on the roster.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Bruce is scrambling to be a 1A Qb, I admire his ability at his only chance to excell, he is taking it well, god bless Bruce, do it well!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
My guess is that Los Angeles Dodger fans do not hate their team for signing Kevin Brown to a $102 million contract. My guess is that Texas Ranger fans do not hate their team for signing Chan Ho Park to a $62 million contract. My guess is that New Tork Yankee fans do not hate their team for signing Carl Pavano to a $60 million dollar contract. My guess is that Cincinnati Bengal Fans do not hate their team for drafting Kijana Carter and Akili Smith. My guess is that Washington Wizard fans have gotten past the drafting of Kwame Brown. And that some Portland Trail Blazer fans have gotten over drafting Sam Bowie. (And I know that Warrior fans have gotten over the drafting of Joe Barry Carroll, Chris Washburn and Vonteego Cummings.)
Shyt happens. Some good shyt. Some bad shyt. Move on.
Raider on.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
DHB is ranked 22 for rookie WR’s.. He has 5 RB’s ranked ahead of him in rookie receiving production.
DHB < Garbage….
December 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
What do you really think it will take to get a player like Suh? If the draft were today, we’d pick no higher than 7th, no worse than 10.
Why would Tampa, St Louis, Cleveland or Detroit not take him in front of us?
December 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Guys
Gradkoski was a sixth round pick and played at Toledo and he just won a game for the Raiders.
The NFL is won/lost in the trenches.
First/second round picks on skill guys just does not make sense UNTIL YOU BUILD YOUR LINES.
Yes the Vikings drafted Harvin BUT THEIR LINE PLAY WAS ALREADY SOLID.
Hell they made the playoffs last year with Jackson at QB.
The formula is obvious we just did it backwards.
Build our lines with first and second round picks and we will be a playoff team for years to come.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I can’t believe the end of REVENUE SHARING hasn’t been a topic in here today.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Why would that be sad, SnB?
Wouldn’t we need a nickle corner and KR if Routt leaves? We would ONLY have CJ and Nnamdi on the roster.
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Get a cornerback in round 3. He won’t be any better/worse than the fleet footed combine superstar we would pick in round 1.
AFter round 2….pick whoever you want. Rounds 1 & 2 is about lineman and linebackers and nothing else.
If the Raiders followed that simple philosophy the last few years…we would be better off…
December 6th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Game ball to Hiram Eugene for the best Raider catch since Curry in the snow in donkeyland a few years ago.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
once again the starters were JLH and Chaz.Murphy didn’t start.and thats the way it should be.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
SNB
A couple of things:
I didn’t say that DHB didn’t have the same drive as Murphy. Murphy was a lower draft pick from a school that has a rep for producing busts in the NFL. DHB is a lot like Vernon Davis in that he has gotten away with getting results from being athletic. Murphy took a different approach. But my question to you is where is the WR coach in all of this?
I’ve been against Sanjay Lal all season. He is a Kiffin holdover and i’m not surprised that his unit underperforms. Look who brought him in here.
As for your other comment. Grad and Frye battled for the 2nd string job all off season. I don’t remember anyone saying that either one should be starting on week one. So if there was no viable option to upgrade the position what do you do? Garcia asked to be released so he was not an option. So what were the options?
December 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Seabass has bailed out the offense time and time again this year.
Two clutch, and not easy, FG’s today. Pro Bowl this year for both kickers???
December 6th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
What do you really think it will take to get a player like Suh? If the draft were today, we’d pick no higher than 7th, no worse than 10.
Why would Tampa, St Louis, Cleveland or Detroit not take him in front of us?
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Yeah, no way Suh falls to the Raiders. StL and Cleveland might take a QB….but Detroit and Tampa would jump on this kid in a minute.
What about Terrance Cody from Alabama. He might be there when the Raiders pick….and if they can keep winning…won’t cost as much.
Hell, they might be able to trade the pick down and get out of the 1st round all together
December 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
The07,
did you ever see Cliff Branch in his first year? Thought not.
FYI, Cliff stunk. Absolutely stunk. Couldn’t catch, couldn’t field punts. Bust. Zero.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
there will probably still be good corners left in the 2nd rd especially if they arent a high priority. You have at least 3 or four qbs that are going get picked in the 1st, and you have Suh,Cody,and Mccoy at dt not to mention some other ones you havent heard much of. Then you have spikes and mcclain at mlb plus kindle and some other olb. Then there is Okung, williams, and black at ot plus some other ones you havent heard of yet. then you have berry and mays at safety, best and spiller at rb all the wrs coming out next year so there will be plenty of good corners in the 2nd rd and after.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
What do you really think it will take to get a player like Suh? If the draft were today, we’d pick no higher than 7th, no worse than 10.
Why would Tampa, St Louis, Cleveland or Detroit not take him in front of us?
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Well for starters players like him dont come along that often. He is the best defensive player coming out this year PERIOD. All the teams ahead of us have lousy D’s, and in some cases lousy DCO’s as in Rob Ryan.
SUH wont last past 3rd pick in next years draft barring an injury, He is an old school type of raider player. To bad he will be long gone…
December 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Not really fond of spikes from florida, he was exsposed yesterday by bama….
December 6th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
JHill,
Two most glaring holes?
I say LB and RB. I bet you say LB and RT.
Either way, another game, another one with Fargas as our most productive and best looking back.
2010 cannot end the same way.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
JLH gave up on that one play and it could have been big and he’s still a little leery about being hit.
I think we should start Chaz and Murphy.
I’m also not giving up on DHB yet.
Apart from the fact he’s had a lot of pressure on hin, he’s been trying to catch passes from Russell,
December 6th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
1 DT
2 LB
3 RT
4 DT
5 RG
December 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Scott is tough enough but not big enough to play DL but he might work out well as a linebacker. So far so good.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Bruce Almighty!!!!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
wassup jizzie!! there will be some good dts thru the first few rnds so im not sold on ot 1rst neccesarily. u are right about russell being inaccurate more than anything. we have no idea what he is doing but u see him on the sidelines supporting his teammates like a pro. he isnt done and this offseason is huge for him and he knows it. grads success is goood cuz it forces him to step his game up. if he does its not even a contest. his future will not be determined by a bunch of blog haters, it will be by him.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Rashard Mendanhall….that’s what a #1 pick is supposed to look like when running the rock.
I wouldn’t mind one of those. These 3 guys we got stink.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
The07,
did you ever see Cliff Branch in his first year? Thought not.
FYI, Cliff stunk. Absolutely stunk. Couldn’t catch, couldn’t field punts. Bust. Zero.
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Yo Bruh, you spoke way to soon, and you spoke for me I might add, and you are wrong… I did see Cliff Brach
FYI, my favorite team of all times was the 76 Raiders..
Next time check with me before you answer for me homie…
December 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
spikes got hurt in i think the 2nd qtr of that game though
December 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
How DID Seabass make that that kick take a left?!
December 6th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
that kick looked like how pitchers in baseball make the ball move
December 6th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
16:
That’s exactly what I thought at the time.
Terrific stuff.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Thec07 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
The07,
did you ever see Cliff Branch in his first year? Thought not.
FYI, Cliff stunk. Absolutely stunk. Couldn’t catch, couldn’t field punts. Bust. Zero.
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All players drafted in the first round are expected to perform. The NFL is not the same as it was in the 70’s. Players that are drafted that high are expected to make a serious contribution out the gates.
DHB, is ranked 22 amoung rookies 5 of them rb’s are ranked ahead of him….rb’s
December 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Thec07,
not 1976, 1973. Cliff sycked so bad it was pitiful. when you bury DHB with your labels just remember that. thought not.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Englander-i agree about DHB.he needs time to get his confidence and learn.but i do believe JLH should start over Murphy.Murphy is the perfect 3rd WR-big,fast,and getting better every week.when the opponents nickel back has to play him it is a total mismatch.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
16, yeah he was injured but he is not nasty enough for me. We should have taken cushing or mauluga.
I like the alabama MLB better than i like spikes.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
# jhill Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
What do you really think it will take to get a player like Suh? If the draft were today, we’d pick no higher than 7th, no worse than 10.
Why would Tampa, St Louis, Cleveland or Detroit not take him in front of us?
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Well, Tampa needs O-Line and D-Line help. They may look for an OT to protect Freeman before D-Line. D-Line is gonna be deep this year in the draft.
St Louis will go QB unless they sign a vet like Vick.
Cleveland need playmakers on offense and they need a RB and WR…..BADLY.
Detroit may take Suh if he is there, but they also need a OT.
Terrance Cody is NOT a top 10 pick IMO. In the NFL he will only be a two down player due to him being overweight. He will need to lose 20-25 pounds before being considered a top 10 pick.
Why pay top 10 money to another player who become lazy after signing his big contract and may not care about getting in shape like Russell?
December 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
As a cornhusker and raiders fan i can honestly say Suh is the best college football player in the country. Oakland has already won too many games for it to be in contention for Suh. Even thinking he gets past the first pick is absurd. On a national championship team he probably would have won the heismen.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I wouldn’t mind Toby Gerhardt the RB @ Stanford if he hangs around long enough.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
we have rb’s dammitt but we need to give them the damn ball. u mean to tell me dmc and bush 100 yd games were flukes? they need to be fed the ball to get going instead of this bs 3 man rotation. dmc got that one 1rst down on the pitch and ran thru a tackler and showed his speed outside. then cable takes him out and didnt put him back in. name any coach who wouldnt give bush and dmc a REAL chance to play over fargas. u sit these guys down but let dhb play until he gets injured, what a joke.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Thec-to the people on here players drafted as high as DHB are expected to preform right away.unfortunately,i don’t know if the Raiders GM feels the same way.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Thec07,
not 1976, 1973. Cliff sycked so bad it was pitiful. when you bury DHB with your labels just remember that. thought not.
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Bruh, I know that i just mentioned the 76 raiders coz that was the year we won a SB and cliff was a big part of that. So again no need to answer for me or assume anything….
As for DHB the facts and stats speak for themselves.
The league is diffrent than the 70’s
DHB < garbage ……
Thats my opinion and will stick with it until he improves…
December 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
by hanging around long enough…I mean after we have filled our boots with O & D linemen.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
This Game shows once and for all just how Horrible Al Davis runs his Drafts…His Last 3 top 10 picks did NOTHING in this game. Jamungus Russel sat on his useless big fat rich rear. DHB Mr. “Hands of Stone” was injured with what’s being termed a “total lack of Hand Eye coordination”. Dmac made a cameo appearance doing the one thing we know he can “run fast to outside”. Huff is finally playing like a good player, but as Al has said he didn’t want Huff, because Huff was Art Shell’s pick. The only Good 1st rd picks we’ve ever had were one’s Al didn’t want. Marcus Allen comes to mind. Davis didn’t want him because he “wasn’t fast”, and he’s probably the greatest Raider ever. We need a GM who knows how to recognize talent and looks at more than 40 times in picking draft picks. Al has no Idea how the modern game works. Fast WR’s and RB’s are usless if they can’t catch or can’t make people miss. Srong Armed Qb’s are usless if they can read defenses and make GOOD quick decisions under pressure
December 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
16, post#376 that is a very astute observation and I concur.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
SUH is hard and should win the Heisman. Best defensive player in college hands down… Wont make it past 3.
I will lay money on it when the time comes…
December 6th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Vegas,
I agree with you that a Mendenhall type of bcak is needed. But I DO think that DMAC isn’t being used right. I would emphasize touches with him instead of carries, and mix him in the passing game a lot more. he should get AT LEAST 3 screens per game, and should be lined up in the slot more often.
But like Charlie says, upgrade the line play, and you will see a difference. DMAC had a nice strong run in the 4th qtr. First time I saw him not see a defender in his face for a yard or 2. It’s not like he’s missing open holes. There aren’t any.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Both Chaz and Murphy are big and fast. We may just have gold here with those two. All they needed was someone who could throw catchable passes.
Being big and having an arm doesn’nt necessarily mean squat.
Bruce is too short to see over that line, doesn’t have an arm, but he man’s got grit–and he’s two out of three!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I just saw Crabtree duck a hit and let a TD pass go right over his head. Talk about alligator arms he T-Rexed that one.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
suh is the real heisman by far. gerhardt should win it since they want a offensive guy to have it. spikes is a nasty player but florida was clearly not the dominant team they were last year. the problem is people think u get exposed the minute u have a bad game. u know sometimes the other team beats u just like u beat them. i dont undestand why people act like u have to dominate or play good every game to be a good player.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
# Random Drug Tester Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I wouldn’t mind Toby Gerhardt the RB @ Stanford if he hangs around long enough.
^^^^^^^^Yeah Toby would bring back true power the Raider running game
December 6th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
have to disagree with you there Armond.as Dierdorf said Cable would love to see one of the RBs win the job so he wouldn’t have to rotate them,but none of them has taken the bull by the horns.and Fargas had to be in the game late today due to his superior blocking and picking up blitzes.the only reason Bush and Dmac don’t get the carries everyone wants is they haven’t earned them.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
# Thec07 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
SUH is hard and should win the Heisman. Best defensive player in college hands down… Wont make it past 3.
I will lay money on it when the time comes…
^^^^^^^^
Yeah he shouldn’t last past 3….but you never what teams will need and have rated higher.
St Louis needs a QB, Cleveland needs a RB and WR badly. Tampa or Detroit will most likely be the ones to take Suh.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Hines Ward is a dirty player. Hines Ward is not a good play he just knows how to cheat good.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Guy’s wake up Russell’s career is ahead of him. What you’ve seen from him to this point means nothing. That position takes years not months. Russell is not nearly as far away as some of you want to believe or proclaim. If he had the team we have right now he could play very well. He’s done it. Stop the hating and congratulate the Great Gradkowski. He is what we need right now he exudes confidence and leadership it is affecting the entire team.
Russell was too immature to get that done but two years from now he could have this team in the SB. Stranger things have happened, like today!!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Thec07 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
1 DT
2 LB
3 RT
4 DT
5 RG
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Thec,
This would be the SAFEST way to go. The Raiders need to get more production out of its top picks.
Get lineman!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
How is DMAC or Bush supposed to earn the carries?
You would have thought that the way Bush carried the ball a few games ago would have got him more looks. 1 fumble and he’s essentially deactivated?
Dierdorf said that Cable is looking for one of the RBs to demand to play by his play on the field. Bush and his opening 60 yd run a few weeks ago got him a seat on the bench.
Fargas is clearly the favorite, for whatever reason.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
If Gradkowski can keep it up….let him go into camp next year as the starter.
Still bring in a veteran though.
Then let Gradkowski and the vet compete….and let Russell do his thing. Let the best man win….let the guy who finishes in 3rd place walk
December 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Great post#434 as usual Lefty12
December 6th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Speed is only good with space to use it.
Anyone who saw DMAC in college knows he is a special talent.
Offensive line play improvement spells playoffs for the Raiders.
Yes Thec,Branch was awful his first couple of years and no fottball is the same game as it has always been.
The skill guys that produce in their first years like Harvin do so because they were drafted by teams with SOLID LINES IN PLACE AND OPERATING.
How has Calvin Johnson been doing?
Off the chart potential being wasted because Detroit has ignored the lines.
We are on the right track but the lines MUST BE AND WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE 2010 DRAFT.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
cody hasnt gotten nearly the buzz he got last year and might be a 2nd rnder. talk about a space eater. murphy showed how much better he is at being a #3 wr. grads is benefitting from the offnse being healthy now which is a tough break for russ. it isnt a coincidence chaz and jlh were starting while he had his best game. we only produced 6 points until that late explosion so everybody calm down. our running game still has no consistant rhythmn and our young rbs arent touching the ball enuff. im happy with the win but still cant stand cable.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
17BobTreyO Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
This Game shows once and for all just how Horrible Al Davis runs his Drafts…His Last 3 top 10 picks did NOTHING in this game. Jamungus Russel sat on his useless big fat rich rear. DHB Mr. “Hands of Stone” was injured with what’s being termed a “total lack of Hand Eye coordination”. Dmac made a cameo appearance doing the one thing we know he can “run fast to outside”. Huff is finally playing like a good player, but as Al has said he didn’t want Huff, because Huff was Art Shell’s pick. The only Good 1st rd picks we’ve ever had were one’s Al didn’t want. Marcus Allen comes to mind. Davis didn’t want him because he “wasn’t fast”, and he’s probably the greatest Raider ever. We need a GM who knows how to recognize talent and looks at more than 40 times in picking draft picks. Al has no Idea how the modern game works. Fast WR’s and RB’s are usless if they can’t catch or can’t make people miss. Srong Armed Qb’s are usless if they can read defenses and make GOOD quick decisions under pressure
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Man I’m glad i saw the game. After reading your comment i thought that we LOST. I love it, if Oakland loses its because the organization sucks. If they win they didn’t win “the right way” and therefore sucks. With fans like this what do we need Dolt and Bronco fans hating us for? We do a better job of hating ourselves.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
The Dolts,
Barely pull one out.
LOL
LOL
LOL
HEheheheheheheheheheheheheheehhehehe,
Idjuts, won’t win a SuperBowl until long after the Detroit Lions win one!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Lefty:
You’re right, Bush and McFadden haven’t earned anything yet while Fargas has-man I love that guy’s attitude.
Cable should stop immediately trying to run McFadden between the tackles, the guy just can’t do that. Get him in the open. Run him like Reggie Bush.
It works.
When it comes to our Bush, I expect Cable doesn’t like it when Bush keeps asking for a breather-especially when mad dog Fargas is raring to go.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
im tellin you guys next years draft is going to suprise you
Qb:Clausen,Mccoy,Pike,Lockler,Bradford,and somebody is gonna be dumb enough to pick tebow in rd 1
Dt:Suh,Mccoy,Cody and every year some other dts come out of no where
Ot:okung,willams,black the guy from usc and some that come out of no where
rb:spiller,best,gerhart,maybe scott from lsu
safety:mays and berry
wr:dez,lafell,tate,gillyard,shiply,benn
mlb:spikes and mcclain
olb:kindle and some other guys
cb:haden,robinson,syd’quann
and you have gresham at te
December 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Suh is by and far the best player in college football. I dont care if your the minnesota vikings if you get the chance to draft him do it. There is no other player in college football who makes half the impact he does. Any teams who think theyd rather draft someone else would be stupid beyond belief for even thinking that. Nobody picking in the top 3 has the luxury of going a different route.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Jhill,
There are enough holes for Fargas to average more per carry than McFadden. I do agree that Darren shouldn’t be getting hand-offs, and catching the ball is the only thing he seems really good at. Bush one carry one yard?? Tough to “feed” these guys when they aren’t doing anything. Fargas made a couple nice runs and 4th down reception on the drive to get our first 3 points.
I want a back that makes his own holes every once in again. Week in and week out, our RB’s look like crap compared to the other teams guys.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
SNB, If we would have done what i was hoping for the last 2 years by drafting line and lb’s we would be looking at Dez Bryant this year with our first pick.
Never understood the DMAC or DHB pick. Never thought a QB would be fat and lazy and come into camp sloppy, and not know the playbook. BRL is a disgrace to football and should be sued for impersonating a QB.
If I could hate someone he would rank high…
December 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
if Fargas and Dmac are asked to run the same plays,Fargas gets better production every week.until Dmac reverses that Fargas will continue to get the bulk of the carries.as for Bush,he must do something they don’t like,but i have no idea what it is.funny how when discussing the WRs all people talk about is production,yet when talking about RBs production doesn’t seem so important.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
If you can beat the Eagles, Bengals and Steelers and give the Chargers two tough games……
You should be better than 4-8.
Regardless, keep fighting and keep getting Murphy, Schilens and JLH more reps so that they will be ready to go next year.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
One thing that was really pathetic about this game was our Special team play-except for the kickers.
Russell had a decent run but holy toledo we’ve got Russell and Bush on returns! Why the hell doesn’t Cable put McFadden back there?
You want him in the open-there you go!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
When it comes to our Bush, I expect Cable doesn’t like it when Bush keeps asking for a breather-especially when mad dog Fargas is raring to go.
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True that! or he complains that he is dinged. I had higher hopes for him
December 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
16:
THIS year’s draft suprised us!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
The other player our NEW GM/PERSONNEL man should look at besides Suh is the monster brickhouse OT from Maryland Bruce Campbell. 6′6, 310, LONG ARMS, and has good feet and can move. He would probably be the Raiders starting RT from day one!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
No Russell and no DHB = Victory
Now if we can just get rid of Fargas….
December 6th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
DT42 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
17BobTreyO Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
This Game shows once and for all just how Horrible Al Davis runs his Drafts…His Last 3 top 10 picks did NOTHING in this game. Jamungus Russel sat on his useless big fat rich rear. DHB Mr. “Hands of Stone” was injured with what’s being termed a “total lack of Hand Eye coordination”. Dmac made a cameo appearance doing the one thing we know he can “run fast to outside”. Huff is finally playing like a good player, but as Al has said he didn’t want Huff, because Huff was Art Shell’s pick. The only Good 1st rd picks we’ve ever had were one’s Al didn’t want. Marcus Allen comes to mind. Davis didn’t want him because he “wasn’t fast”, and he’s probably the greatest Raider ever. We need a GM who knows how to recognize talent and looks at more than 40 times in picking draft picks. Al has no Idea how the modern game works. Fast WR’s and RB’s are usless if they can’t catch or can’t make people miss. Srong Armed Qb’s are usless if they can read defenses and make GOOD quick decisions under pressure
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Whats hand eye coordination got to do with stubbing your toe? last time i checked i didnt need hand eye coordination to keep myself from stubbing my toe.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
What a classic almost like the 70s rivalry pitt raiders games. I had a feeling we had a chance with dhb not starting. Silvaa and black forever . I still pray for a gm and gruden and sign jason campbell.vince young
December 6th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
lefty, jhill said exactly what im talking about. dmc isnt used right thats on the playcaller which is cable. bush makes nice runs asks to come out cuz he got tired and rarely sees the field, thats on cable. bush fumbles and hes out of the game, thats on cable. dhb drops several passes and loses a game and runs bad routes but still played, thats on cable. how the hell do u committ to some young guys but not the better ones? FOOK the bullsheit man cable aint usin guys right. he cleary has favorites and its doin us no favors. why isnt jlh returining kicks instead of g russ? the man is a bafoon!!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Thec07 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
1 DT
2 LB
3 RT
4 DT
5 RG
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Thec,
This would be the SAFEST way to go. The Raiders need to get more production out of its top picks.
Get lineman!
^^^^^^^^
Yep…Linemen and a beast MLB!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
funny how when discussing the WRs all people talk about is production,yet when talking about RBs production doesn’t seem so important.
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I agree 100%. I wish the other guys were better than Fargas, but they aren’t. Or at least they aren’t consistantly.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
And also lets not forget about all the extremely late raider only flags to kill a drive. Nice non call on hines ward. Classic raider pitt gm
December 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Russell’s career is in all probability behind him.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
We had a Tight-end returning kicks today…must be some kind of first.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I wonder if we will be favorites next week?
I would think 3 point underdogs.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
49ers just lost, there is a God.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
england thats true i almost wanted to blow up al’s house when i heard dar i didnt even need the whole name i was like you old ignorant bastard what is wrong with you but with this year any reach still might be a good pick unless its a something crazy like a long snapper in the 1st rd
December 6th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
No we had a fullback returning kicks. Pretty sure the patriots used vrabel on puts or kicks for a few games a couple years ago. That is if i recollect correctly.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
i dont understand how cable can get mad at bush for being tired after 5 straight runs for 30 yards and its not like hes just running he was busting through the lines and fighting off tackles that was just a bogus reason to keep him out of the game
December 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Let me finish with this comment. The Raiders high draft picks are playing well but most of you nitwits can’t see them. Huff, Nnamdi, Routt, Gallery, Zmiller, and Mitchell had a very good game today. The difference is these players ahve had a chance to develope. They’re in their 3rd, 4th, and 5th years and the ypoung guy’s are starting to come around but they’re in their 1st 2nd and 3rd years the only one that I would call a bit of a disappointment is DMC, but it’s been his health and the fact that he’s in it with two very good players on a young team.
As for Russell those writing him off at this point are ignoring the position he plays and the position this team put him in. His own shortcomings taken into consideration he has had some very good outings just not enough of them the bad has outwieghed the good. But the kid is 24 years old………I just don’t think most of you understand how much of a factor that is. And he was on a bad football team. He could turn this around almost immediately and be a real factor in this teams future. I keep saying it because there are examples all over this team right now.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
“Long snapper in the 1st round”
Good thing I wasn’t drinking anything when I read that one. I would have spewed it all over the carpet. Too funny!
I was having Rich Gannon flashbacks today. I swear he came back and was quarterbacking the Raiders. Miraculous escapes, side arm throws, runs for first downs, and a Raider victory. This is the best the Raiders offense has played in five years.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Vegas,
I like Fargas, so there is no real issue there. I said Bush should be traded this past offseason for whatever Tampa was offering.
Fargas can have his 15 carries a game or so, but I would love to see Cable find a way to get DMAC at least 15 carries a game, and 5-10 passes thrown his way.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Let me finish with this comment. The Raiders high draft picks are playing well but most of you nitwits can’t see them. Huff, Nnamdi, Routt, Gallery, Zmiller, and Mitchell had a very good game today. The difference is these players ahve had a chance to develope. They’re in their 3rd, 4th, and 5th years and the ypoung guy’s are starting to come around but they’re in their 1st 2nd and 3rd years the only one that I would call a bit of a disappointment is DMC, but it’s been his health and the fact that he’s in it with two very good players on a young team.
As for Russell those writing him off at this point are ignoring the position he plays and the position this team put him in. His own shortcomings taken into consideration he has had some very good outings just not enough of them the bad has outwieghed the good. But the kid is 24 years old………I just don’t think most of you understand how much of a factor that is. And he was on a bad football team. He could turn this around almost immediately and be a real factor in this teams future. I keep saying it because there are examples all over this team right now.
^^^^^^^^^
Al Davis sucks…..the teams record and questionable decision making the 7 years when it comes coaches and players is PROOF of it!
December 6th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Armond,people say Dmac should be playing instead of Fargas,yet when they are asked to run the same plays,Fargas out gains ,picks up the blitz,and blocks better than Dmac.you can shift the blame all you want,but Fargas outproduces him .until that changes,Fargas SHOULD be getting more reps.and there has to be a reason we don’t know about that Bush isn’t given more opportunities.-maybe attitude,who knows.you can’t blame the coach for a player asking out after a play or two-what is he supposed to do-oh,i got it-don’t play him if he doesn’t want to play.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
if Fargas and Dmac are asked to run the same plays,Fargas gets better production every week.until Dmac reverses that Fargas will continue to get the bulk of the carries.as for Bush,he must do something they don’t like,but i have no idea what it is.funny how when discussing the WRs all people talk about is production,yet when talking about RBs production doesn’t seem so important.
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Michael’s production when getting more than 10 carries is the best on the team
December 6th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
The position this team’s put Russell in?!!!
How about the position Russell’s put this team in?
That would be 4 and 8.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Kirk you’re right this was damned exciting Raider football as we know we’re supposed to play it and as to the best in five years maybe you’re right about that too.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Al Davis picked Murphy as well as DHB and Mitchell which probably means that Al is still a genius but not so much anymore.
Come on Al, I love you but read the billboard and hire a GM.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Cable should be moving DMC around more and putting him in the slot.
Throwing more screens.
I wish this team executed screens well like the Eagles do. It’s a very effective offensive play IF executed well.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
doriangray Says:
December 6th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
DID YALL SEE THE AP REPORT THE RAIDERS SCOUTS AT THE TEXAS NEBRASKA GANE/ ? i just hope they were scouting suh not colt mccoy ..
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Highly unlikely because Al Davis was in Pittsburgh.
December 6th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
WTF is this thing of running McFumble up the middle? He doesnt run well between the tackles. Get him outside, split him wide, run a reverse, do something other than running him between the tackles. And third and short? Run Bush, not Fargas. This is still the dumbest team in football. It has taken most of the season for them to figure out that Russell and DHB should not be starting.