Final: Redskins 34, Raiders 13
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Scoring
Wash_Quinton Ganther 1-yard run (Graham Gano kicks PAT), 11:22
Wash_Ganther 1-yard run (Gano kicks PAT), 9:42
Wash_Gano 41-yard field goal, 2:47
Notes:
– Zach Miller hit hard by Rocky McIntosh, helped off the field. He appears OK, talking on bench. Raiders give it up on downs, JaMarcus Russell throwing incomplete as Redskins come in to run out the clock.
– Nnamdi Asomugha back in the game, upends Devin Thomas on reverse. Redskins go from second-and-16 to a first down on two basic running plays, get in position for 41-yard field goal by Gano. The game is the absolute definitition of garbage time.
– Sack-fumble by Brian Orakpo against Russell for 17-yard loss. Andre Carter misses chance to recover and Mario Henderson gets it. Raiders punt out of end zone, and Antwan Randle El fumble is recovered by Tony Stewart at the 50-yard line.
Huge break.
Except Russell is dumped by Lorenzo Alexander for a 9-yard loss and he’s barking at the line. Russell pass is tipped at the line. Raiders will punt again. On fourth-and-15, he’s sacked by Andre Carter.
– Russell intercepted by LaRon Landry at 41, Jason Campbell immediately hits Moss for 28 yards, Ganther eventually scores from the 1 and Raiders down 31-13 with 9:42 to play.
– Stanford Routt called for pass interference when Santana Moss slips on the grass . . .Redskins to the 30 on first-and-10.
Campbell converts third-and-6 first-down pass to Malcolm Kelly, with Tyvon Branch in coverage. Moss gets another first down, slipping tacklers on short pass, 8-yard gain first-and-goal at the 3.
Ganther scores touchdown from the 1-yard line.
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December 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
well then… bronco’s next…
December 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Jabustus
December 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Get Frye ready because JaBustus is NOT the solution. He just one big old whale out of water back there.
DEAD MEAT IS DEAD MEAT..
December 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Al Davis has saddled this franchise with inferior talent.
Until he steps down…we aint winning
December 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Awful game
December 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Cut Russell immediately
Cut DMAC
Cut DHB
Fire Tom Cable
Retire Al Davis!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Puke.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
As soon as we part with JaBustus, he will never see another NFL uniform or game.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
GREAT DAY!Chargers win, Raiders lose! See you all later. I have to go to band practice. We have a rocking show tomorrow.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Sadly….
Real MR is right about the incompetence that is Al Davis
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
High school band?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
One more thing before I go, Aig is code for anal interrogator.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Russell sucks. Release him and start Frye if Grads can’t go next week.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Please mend Bruce’s knee by next Sunday
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RaidingTexas, I am the lead singer for one of San Diego’s rockingest bands.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
with jamarcus russell this team has no chance.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
I just cant see how an old arse owner who supposedly has all the knowledge about the NFL doesnt realizes that Jamarcus is a clear bust, Ryan Leaf bust not David Carr bust. JR sucks so bad that even the birds were bowing his play. Anyways, I wish Bruce gets healthy and we should win against the Donkeys if Bruce starts otherwise we are toasted.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
we all knew the game was over as soon as Russell had to replace Gradkowski.the sad part is we will probably have to put up with this the resr of this year and next because the old man is so stubborn Russell will be the QB.it’s hard to imagine anyone could consider him a real NFL QB.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
01rdrfan Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Jamarcus Russell is the worst QB in the entire NFL. He is a worthless piece of sh!t and should be cut immediately after the game. If anyone thinks differently, you should get on a roof and jump off head first. Tom Cable should be fired next. The play calling this game was absolutely pathetic. If we dont get a GM and a good head coach we will be finished for atleast another 3 seasons.
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EXACTLY!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Damn..watching on delay..and some of those short balls? where receiver/back just floats out? even those are high..and the receiver got hung out to dry.
Receivers have TO HATE THE GUY..they’ll never say it, because that’s suicide, but how can anyone on the team even want to see the guy in the huddle?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
any update on Bruce??
December 13th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
J.R. IS A PIECE OF CRAP, MAN I CANT STAND WATCHIN HIM WITH HIS MOUTH WIDE OPEN LIKE HES JUST SO DAMMN TIRED.FAT FUC.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
How can an owner say: “Jamarcus is a great QB, get over it” say what? what greatness does he sees in him? even he knows he sucks. Cut him right away.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Did Al Davis even interview Russell during the draft process?
Al DAvis is the WORST talent evaluator in the NFL!
How can you miss so badly!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Dallas or San Diego, either team loses is good news.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Is Michael Bush injured?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
JaBustus requires a pass blocking line that can provide at least 7-10 seconds of blocking. We don’t have that line nor will we have it in the forseeable future. JaBustus has NO pocket presence and has NO mobility. He’s just a blocking dummy to knock down.
JaBustus has NO FUTURE in the NFL. Cut our losses AD and let’s move on. Warm up Frye for next week if Gradkowski isn’t available.
We’d be better with a backfield of Bush, Dmac, Fargas and no designated QB. Both Bush & DMac are supposed to be able to pass. Let’s try it – a beter solution than the GREAT WHALE.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Russel’s family fattened him up when he was a kid with corn and red meat. They fattened him up so he could chuck a pig skin 80 yards no problem. Then they conned a senile old man into thinking he was a professional.
I look at Russel as nothing more then a con artist. Davis is a fool. Cable is whatever…
December 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Richochet Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Damn..watching on delay..and some of those short balls? where receiver/back just floats out? even those are high..and the receiver got hung out to dry.
Receivers have TO HATE THE GUY..they’ll never say it, because that’s suicide, but how can anyone on the team even want to see the guy in the huddle?
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I agree, dude is been killing Schillens, JLH, Murphy, Miller and the RBs all year but you hear some ppl in here saying JR could do what Bruce been doing, crack addicts have more logic than them.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Russell deserves ALL ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS….
He has thumbed his nose at not only Al Davis but the entire NFL establishment
Who in the NFL goes 2 work in a Rolls Royce????
Who comes into camp waaay out of shape and has no respect 4 the game,or his teammates
Who is TOTALLY LOST OUT THERE
Who never cared 2 even know 1 play of the Storied Franchise that is The Oakland Raiders
JaMarcus Russell I hope you NEVER wear an Oakland Raider Uniform EVER AGAIN
Oh and fcuk you 2 azzhole
December 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I guess you guys must be like the JR Varsity of this blog who can’t afford to go to games. Or maybe it is that you losers have anything else going for you on the weekends.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
BUNCH OF TENN VOL FANS TOLD ME J.R. SUC I ARGUED AT FIRST, BUT NOW I SEE THE TRUTH, HE SUCS BAD, HIS TEAM IN COLLEGE IS WHAT MADE HIM. THAT DRAFT CLASS FOR Q.B. SUCED PROB THE WORST Q.B. CLASS OF ALL TIME.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
SnB’s formula for success:
1. Fire Tom Cable – make Hackett interim head coach
2. Cut Russell immediately…meaning tonight
3. Place DHB on the practice squad
4. Release Cornell Green
5. Bench Fargas and DMAC…make Bush the FULL-TIME STARTER
December 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
17-13 in the 4th qtr….isn’t that a good time to pound the ball up the middle with Bush & Fargas, and swing McFadden around the ends?
Certainly sounds better to me than having THE qb drop back and showcase his talents.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
DMAC had some good plays today, not a bust yet. But not putting Bush in!?! Cable, use your players. Get them involved you idiot.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Russell had more people fooled,and still does,than just the old man.he also had Kiper and the other so called experts fooled.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Mario Henderson had his worse game as a Raider today. He was getting beat all day, and got our QB knocked out of the game by getting beat and the adding insult to injury by falling on his knee.
14 penalties ?????
Cornell Green was back to his old self today.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I think Bush is just in Cable’s dog house.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Charged Up for Superbowl Victory Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RaidingTexas, I am the lead singer for one of San Diego’s rockingest bands
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The Daisy Boyzzz
December 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Did it look like all of a sudden the guys stopped blocking. I mean everything feel apart with that super late replay and nice officiating.Grads wouldnt have been in that situation had they not called so many horrible calls in OAKLAND !
December 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Charged Up for Superbowl Victory Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I guess you guys must be like the JR Varsity of this blog who can’t afford to go to games. Or maybe it is that you losers have anything else going for you on the weekends.
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STFU your Chargers dont even have any SB wins. You an idiot, tickets are so cheap you can get it for $10 but I will never support AL Davis and rather donate that money to guys in MessagetoAL.com. Why you hear you pathetic chump, go back to your SD blogs that where you fit in you filthy arse
December 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
MIke Mitchell is the man, i’m listening to him on the Radio and I hope that he continues to develop. Fred Smoot done made the ‘hit list’.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Charged Up for Superbowl Victory Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RaidingTexas, I am the lead singer for one of San Diego’s rockingest bands.
The Village People Tribute Band.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
4evaraider,
Why did Davis draft the kid? He’s was slothfull during the combine.
Why did Davis force Cable to play the bum?
See, I agree with those who keep the attention on Davis.
Because that incompetent owner is the root cause of all this mess.
and guess what? THe gutless Raiders won’t have courage to CUT the deadweight on this team…which is plenty!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
You guys do realize we were losing when Russell came in the game, right? Grads was getting pressured AND SACKED all day, and we were getting stupid penalties.
Once the Redskins adjusted to McFadden by sliding a corner on him, the game was over!
DAMN IT !!!!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I dont know if I can take how many games next year of russle starting ? oh my god its just not fair to have to wait for him to show he s not the guy!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
wow, just fcking depressing. Now at least we all can settle the issue of JR vs Grad. That guy just looks clueless back there.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
tom cable is on
December 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
anyone notice how deflated the team got when jamarcus got in the game? anyone notice jamarcus yelling at his lineman when HE was running INTO the pass rush and holding the ball too long? this guy has no sense for the game.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
It still looked like they stop playing for him. The pressure wasnt that bad grads moved a little to offset it but damm russell. atleast show something and yes mario had a bad gm
December 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
ROCK AND ROLL ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPER BOWL!!!! That’s a song I’m working on. Gonna reveal it soon at my next show.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
That 4th quarter was comical!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
aig Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
wow, just fcking depressing. Now at least we all can settle the issue of JR vs Grad. That guy just looks clueless back there.
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Tell your owner to cut the guy already..
Oh, he won’t do it….why?
BECAUSE HE’S THE MOST INCOMPETENT OWNER IN SPORTS HISTORY
December 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Charged up is such a queer.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Everything was still under control until Grads got hurt. JaBustus was probably staring off in to space thinking about the 10 bong hits he took this morning when an assistant coach said “hey you’re in” JaBustus was like “Oh S#%@t”
December 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
who else would have cut Hall besides the Raiders.they,ve cut people before but it’s kind of late in the year to cut everyone.come on S&B you are sounding like some of the other repetitive screwballs on here.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
aig Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
tom cable is on
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I can’t wait until he’s fired.
Be better off bringing back Kiffin
December 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Jhill
Yes we were losing, but Grad wasn’t sucking up like JR, you wanna see the numbers or you just rooting for JR, if you are then a crack addict has more logic than you.
Oakland Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
B. Gradkowski 10 18 153 55.6 8.5 2 13 0 0 83.8
J. Russell 10 16 74 62.5 4.6 6 52 0 1 47.4
December 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Adda Toon, why the hostility?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
“[Russell] is a great player, get over it!”
December 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I disagree Jhill….Mario Henderson has never gotten beat like that B4….he dont got Russells back and I dont blame him
December 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
ADJUSTED IS THE CORRECT WORD, SOMETHING CABLE CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DO CAUSE HE SUCS AND AL DAVIS SUCS WITH HIM, AND J.R. SUCS THE MOST
December 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Big Pep, they don’t suck as much as you do when it comes to sucking cock.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Man, I’ve posted three times and none of them made it.
It’s like I’m Russell throwing another incompletion.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Charged Up…. because you’re just talking sh** … why are you even asking?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
who else would have cut Hall besides the Raiders.they,ve cut people before but it’s kind of late in the year to cut everyone.come on S&B you are sounding like some of the other repetitive screwballs on here.
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The only thing repetitive are these blowouts!
This team is as bad as its ever been in the last 7 years.
They will not turn the corner until Davis retains a qualified coach and stops drafting athletes and starts drafting football players
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
The whole OL let JR get hammered cause they know he is arse.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Discharged Fan,
Where in SD? I live in Oak Park.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Like Charles Davis said on the broadcast, you would think that there would be some support for a come back try. Russell gets booed for coming out and leading the team to a score? That was ridiculous! Comes out on the second drive and leads the team to the 28 yard line, then Henderson gets beat really bad by Orakpo and gives up a sack. The how many penalties in a row did we get to push us out of FG range? Instead of it being 17-16 at a minimum, we punt the ball and go down 24-13.
Totally ridiculous to put this loss on #2.
Cable is on the radio now BLASTING his Oline play.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Two MCL sprains for Gradkowski.
So this team will finish 4-12
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Charged Up
Come back when the chokers win a SB.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Everyone knew we was done.This is the first time I ever saw a player from ANY team in the NFL that….I cant even explain it,like how do you do what Russell has done??????????????????????????????????????????
December 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
You like that eh moderator?
When Gradowski left it was 13-17.
It was all over when Russell walked out onto the field-and the whole universe knew it.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Jhill,
Someone should ask the coach why he passed on all those O-Lineman in the draft!
Someone should ask him to cut Russell tonight.
This team is rank garbage!
The Raiders got ran out of their own house by a 3-7 football team!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I disagree Jhill….Mario Henderson has never gotten beat like that B4….he dont got Russells back and I dont blame him
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So what about him getting Grads hit, and then falling on his leg and spraiing BOTH MCLs? Cmon, 4eva!
Wassup, by the way!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
TYPICAL OF CABLE BLAME THE LINE NOT THAT FAT FUC, GET RID OF BOTH OF THEM
December 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I live in Logan Heights Raider O.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
You guys do realize we were losing when Russell came in the game, right? Grads was getting pressured AND SACKED all day, and we were getting stupid penalties.
Once the Redskins adjusted to McFadden by sliding a corner on him, the game was over!
DAMN IT !!!!!!!!
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Gradkowski was averaging 8.5 yds per attempt
Russell averaged 4.5 yds per attempt
never mind the INT and sacks.
nuff said if you know anything about QB efficiency
December 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
The OL works better when Bruce is out there because Bruce is a better quarterback.
He makes something out of nothing.
Russell makes nothing out of something.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Lefty12
Anybody with the right mind would cut JR now meaning tonight, any player who lost the respect of his teamates, fans and still doesnt seem to care needs to be cut. That is how you send a message to slackers, you either play with your heart or get da fck out here.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
The whole OL let JR get hammered cause they know he is arse.
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So they threw the game on purpose to spite Russell?
LMFAO!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
how do u get sacked for -52 yards… its one thing getting sacked and its another running backwards.. isnt one of the first things they teach you in popwarner dont run backwards
December 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Lefty,
I would cut Russell to emabarrass him.
I would cut him to send a message to this team that deadweight will no longer be tolerated.
He is the WORST QB IN SPORTS HISTORY.
WHY DO THE RAIDERS KEEP FINDING THESE RANK LOSERS
WHY WAS HE 2ND STRING?
BUST HIS ASS TO THE PRACTICE SQUAD
December 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Russell just finished a drive Grads started so scratch that one.On 1st and 10 after that F/G what did Russell do
December 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
England,
What’s going on my friend?
I believe in JR, but dude is not playing well! Same for DMC, DHB, and the entire offense looks bad.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
WORST COACH IN THE NFL
WORST OWNER IN SPORTS HISTORY
WORST QB IN SPORTS HISTORY
COINCIDENCE?
NOPE
December 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
You can’t blame Henderson when Russell was out there.
How the hell is he going to protect an elephant walking backwards?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Logan Heights
December 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Russel wasn’t even the best QB on his college team… I’ve heard this from many LSU fans.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Trying time to be a Raider fan for sure. Gotta keep the faith. My hunch is Frye will start next week if Grad can’t go. Cable hinted that as much. At least we got JR exposed this year. No way they pay him that much after the season. They will cut him and have no choice. He wont redo his contract either. He will want out of Oakland for a new beginning. Good riddance.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Once the Redskins adjusted to McFadden by sliding a corner on him, the game was over!
DAMN IT !!!!!!!!
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Gradkowski was averaging 8.5 yds per attempt
Russell averaged 4.5 yds per attempt
never mind the INT and sacks.
nuff said if you know anything about QB efficiency
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Lefty, puh-leeze, man!
Like I said, once the Redskins adjusted to McFadden, the game was over! Take away McFadden’s 2 catches and what is you average?
Gimme a break!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Hey O!
I’m feeling lousy because Russell walked out on the field.
I hear you’re nearly done with school. Well done-I’m assuming you’re passing.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
We needed some O-Lineman in the draft….but we go get Slade Norris
We needed defensive tackle help….we go get Darius Heyward-Bey and Stryker Sulak
We need a QB…Davis forces Cable to start Russell
We get blown out against a 3-7 team.
Next year will be disaster too!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Jhill Brother this is waaay bad.I mean Russell being this bad and not even having a clue YET.Just sparking 1 so I dont get 2 excited….so 2 say =)
December 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
When Gradowski left it was 13-17.
It was all over when Russell walked out onto the field-and the whole universe knew it.
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It was 17-10 at halftime. Not sure what game you were watching.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Charlie Fry……your up!!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Didn’t you love all that short stuff from Russell in the 4th quarter. Was he working on his stats?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Jhill
You are a moron who lacks any brains, JR lost the respect of his teamates. 6 sacks, Int, he killed his WRs, he throws the ball either high or short, what eyes do you have, why are you defending JR, have you been partying with him or maybe you did some nasty things with him, you r fking queer to blame the line when all of us know that the whole offense hates JR.
December 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Discharged Fan,
Good luck with your band bro, and let me know where you guys play next. I’ll come watch. Are any good, and what do you play? I know it’s rock, but what kind?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
the game wasn’t a blowout while Gradkowski was playing.it wasn’t a blowout until Russell threw the int. and they took it in to score.russell is totally responsible for the lopsided final score.we might have still lost,but the large margin was due to the incompetence of the person playing QB.Gradkowski was sacked 2 times-Russell 6 times.he is totally clueless on the field(off it too,probably).
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
take away Miller’s 86 yd touchdown run and what does Russell have?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Jhill
Can you read a stat sheet?
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
You can’t blame Henderson when Russell was out there.
How the hell is he going to protect an elephant walking backwards?
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Yeah????? HOW?????? HUH???? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
4eva,
I don’t know why you are trippin’!
Didn’t I tell you early this week that Russell was going to play, lol?
When they rolled him out for a PC, I TOLD you what was going to happen next. Told you Grads was going to come out with an injury, although I predicted the hammy, lol.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
England,
3.76 gpa!
I’m the lizard King, and I can do anything! lol
I’m almost done with this semester, but I still have 2 more to go.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
While I like Cable he made some bad calls in this game.
All that running McFadden between the tackles.
McFadden did great outside and made the Skins change their defense but he’s no Fargas or Bush and what the hell has happened to Bush?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
JaBustus should not be allowed on thr field until he loses 25 pounds minimum and can demonstrate mobility & escapability. Both of these skill are necessary with our O-line. The WHALE will not make it in the NFL. He’s just too slow both physically and mentally. He’s pathetic out there – lost beyond belief.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Jhill
You are a jinx for saying that and you are a moron if you believe in JR.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
IK agree AIG….NO WAY Big Al pays Russell….anything prolly lol
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Lefty,
The Owner likes the rank losers that litter this abomination of a football roster.
So, why was Russell even backing up?
PUT HIS BACKSIDE ON THE PRACTICE SQUAD….BETTER YET CUT HIM! RIGHT NOW
December 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Jhill
Can you read a stat sheet?
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I watch the games, bruh! How about you!
Your making an ASS out of yourself! I never defended Russell. Like Cable is on the radio saying, the Oline was horrible today.
Get your facts together man!
LMFAO at stats sheet guy!
Jano missed the 66 yarder and the end of the half, man. Get another stat sheet!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Guys,
Russell was unqualified from the start and should HAVE NEVER BEEN DRAFTED!
He was this incompetent in training camp YET THE OWNER PUT HIM OUT THERE ANYWAY!
cut the loser
December 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Why Yes Yes You Did Indeed Jhill
How D~~~O~~~~ YOu do it ?????
December 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
tired of listening to this ass hole cable, there always talking about how these kids feel. bull shhiittt, needs to be more like the n.b.a. when they get drafted.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
MessagetoAL.com
Donate your ticket money its better feeling then supporting AL Davis.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
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December 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Jhill
You are a jinx for saying that and you are a moron if you believe in JR.
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Moron, queer, jinx …
LMFAO!
Get it all out man!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I can understand why everyone is calling JR a bust, I see his poor play on the field, but I think this kid is has a lot of talent and he can still play in the NFL. He needs to grow up a lot faster, and he needs to work harder. He is not in college, so he can’t just depend on his talent. This is the NFL!!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
That’s really good. Especially since you’re a full-time husband and father and work as well.
Well done.
How’s the family?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Fargas is overrated.
Where were his yards today?
THe Raiders have no running game.
The Raiders have no offensive line
The Raiders have the worst QB in sports history on the roster….and I mean at any level of sport
Get a REAL QB
Get a real running back
Get a real offensive line
and get a real coach.
Then we can talk about possibly turning the corner
December 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Russell=Ryan Leaf.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Jhill
Dude, you are a joke. You talking abt a kicker and I am talking about QBs, both Grad and JR played two quarters whose numbers looks better???
Answer me are you can say JR lol you are a joke and yes i am talking about stat sheet
December 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Bruce almighty!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Bruce = Donald Hollis.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
MessagetoAL.com
Donate your ticket money its better feeling then supporting AL Davis
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I sent some of the money I saved from not going to the games
December 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
30 mil, bling, 39% body fat, mink coats.
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# Random Drug Tester Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
take away Miller’s 86 yd touchdown run and what does Russell have?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Jhill,you can support him and make all the excuses you want for the guy,but it is obvious he is not an NFL QB.as you loved to say over and over,Gradkowski isn’t a great QB.but it has been shown the last 4 weeks that he is much better than Russell.so that must mean Russell isn’t as good as what you call a below avg. QB.yet when he preforms like dog sh!t,some like to point out all the other problems.no wonder the guy thinks he is doing a good job-he has people around him telling him it isn’t him,but everything else around him.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Raider O,
I don’t blame Russell.
I blame the amateurs that keep insisting on putting him on the field and paying his salary
December 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Russell is due what 9 million next year?
Chris in New York came up with the idea that Al offer him 3 million but with incentives.
Does that mean he gets the rest in doughnuts?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Raider O
Please, define to me what do you call a talent and where do you see JR demonstrating any talent this season? Growth, he is been in this league 3 yrs, when do you expect him to grow?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
MessagetoAl.com
December 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
the game wasn’t a blowout while Gradkowski was playing.
………….
LOL. Got to love the high expectations these days…
Just don’t get blown out, baby.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Raider O ….Dude you are a Raider Brother but please….what talent Russell might have had has already been squandered,imo.I just dont think he will ever be able 2 catch up.I hope he DIDNT pay cash 4 his things
December 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
dang we had this game! So much for Jamarcus How does a QB suck so Bad? Spell RUSSELL!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Actually, I thought Chris had a good idea there until I realized that would mean that Russell would be playing in order to reach the incentives.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Just HILL AIR EEEE USSS how Raider fan is STILL surprised at the pile of dung that is this franchise. LOL!! If you are surprised they got smoked today then your just flat not paying attention.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Lefty,
The Owner likes the rank losers that litter this abomination of a football roster.
So, why was Russell even backing up?
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Exactly, SnB!
The guy was #2 on the depth chart DESPITE all the crying from the fans. I wonder why. You guys are just setting yourselves up for blowing a gasket if you think that Russell is done in Oakland.
Take it out on whoever you want to, but you KNOW AL DAVIS is going to ride this guy to the end of his contract.
Might as well focus on some realistic stuff like replacing Green, Carlisle, and Morris in the starting lineup.
Where are all the radio quoters from the past few weeks? They JUST said that our Oline is NOT good enough to pass protect when the other team knows we are going to pass. Are they protecting Russell too?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I see the top of the mountain.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Mrs. Leave it up to you to act teh dummy again.
Jhill, bro, JR was awful today. Forget the sacks. When he had time, he threw late over the middle to Chilens for an int. Even the announcer said you dont throw late over the middle. What you saw out there was 1 QB moving his team for 10 points in the first half. The other QB couldnt even move his team. His dumpoffs and checkdowns were high or in the ground. He got his crew killed out there today. today put the final nail in the coffin for all the argument for JR. he just doesnt have pocket pressence.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Lefty:
You’re are totally correct. The game wasn’t a blow out with Gradowski.
In fact it was 13-17 at the half when he was injured.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
If Bush isn’t going to play.
Then the Raiders will have to draft a new running back
Fargas is a backup running back
DMAC is a wide receiver
Bush should be starting
December 13th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Well JaMonkie was right when he said we would see a completely different JaMonkie when he got back in. He was right. HE’S WORSE!!!! He is due to make 10million in base salary plus 5 million in roster bonus & he said he won’t take a pay cut. If Al keeps this clown he will lose the rest of the Raider Nation for good. That fat pig doesn’t care about winning, his teammates or the Nation. He wants his money so he can 5000 cheeseburgers a day. I still want to know something JaMonkie….what time are you due back at the zoo??? I would rather have David Humm in a wheelchair at QB. Sure a lot more mobile than DaMonkie.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Jhill
Dude, you are a joke. You talking abt a kicker and I am talking about QBs, both Grad and JR played two quarters whose numbers looks better???
Answer me are you can say JR lol you are a joke and yes i am talking about stat sheet
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Actually, I was talking about the SCORE! You said the Raiders we down 13-17 when Russell came in.
Come on man … keep up!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Bruce sucked.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Jhill
I asked you a simple question and you still not answering, both Grad and JR played two quarters whose numbers looks better???
December 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
talk about letting the air out of a TIre!!I hoe Gradkowski is Ok?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
FYI,
Jhill is just a notch dumber than priesttj so debate him about tackle football at your own risk.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
hope
December 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Very well, and we are going to Jordan next week. What can I get you from
That area of the world?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Jamarcus sucks the life out of everything.
After the half the D and special teams got the offense near midfield twice in a row to begin drives.
We got a 55 yard FG attempt and a punt.
Game over.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Most blowouts don’t become blowouts until the second half, anyway. Saying the game wasn’t a blowout when the starter was playing in the first half is about as stupid as it gets.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Even the radio guys are asking where Bush is?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
i bet even FRYE would have been better..
December 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Chances are that Bruce is back next week and the team will continue to improve as it has since Gradowski took over.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
# Raider O Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I can understand why everyone is calling JR a bust, I see his poor play on the field, but I think this kid is has a lot of talent and he can still play in the NFL. He needs to grow up a lot faster, and he needs to work harder. He is not in college, so he can’t just depend on his talent. This is the NFL!!
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Specifically WHAT TALENT are you talking about? He can throw a long inaccurate ball when not pressured. Beyond that I’m unable to come up with ANY talent he might have. He can’t learn the entire playbook. He’s not mobile and can’t escape a rush. He has NO pocket presence. He loses the ball when hit more often than not. He throws bad passes that put our receivers in jeopardy of injury. He can’t complete a viewing of all available receivers. He’s slow in getting back anbd slow moving back into the pocket. He has absolutely no leadership on the field.
PLEASE TELL US ALL about these talents you know about that afe NOT obvious. The only thing I’m sure he’s qualified to do is eat cheesburgers. This guy is a black cloud over this team. He needs to go back down South and pen a burger ranchise. There he may succeed.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Jhill,
Why do you think Russell will be here next year? he is scheduled to earn about 9-10 mil if we keep him. If we cut him it is a 3 mil loss. The only reason JR will stay with us is if he agreed to take a paycut. He will want out of here asap. However, he may realize that other teams will not pay him anything over league min. Therefore the only way he stays is redoing his contract due to no other chance of playing again. Or else he just forces the Raiders to cut him, take his $3mil and retire.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
It wasn’t a blowout when Bruce was playing…
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
It was a blowout. Good teams have guys who can come in and get the job done. All 3 of our quarterbacks suck. That’s why they’re here to begin with. Gradkowski is not the answer. He’s a little bit better than Russell but not nearly as good as some of you think he is.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Lefty,
Let me ask you one question.
Why is anytime I talk about another area of the team, it turns out to be an excuse for Russell?
Are you disagreeing with me that the Oline play today was terrible? Even in the first half when we were LOSING 17-10?
Did you not see the play that got our QB knocked out of the game?
I said we lost the game when the Redskins made the adjustment to McFadden. Grads was playing then. Why are you talking to me about Russell?
I’d prefer to talk about the Oline, is that ok?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Jhill
You are really a retard, when did I say that? Here your man who said that dont put my name on things I never said. Now, are you going to apologize for quoting me wrong, or are you going to admit that Grad played better then JR the two quarters he was in?
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
You like that eh moderator?
When Gradowski left it was 13-17.
It was all over when Russell walked out onto the field-and the whole universe knew it.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
4eva,
Dude,
He is 6′6 280, he can run for a big boy, he has a cannon, and he scored a 24 on the Wonderlick test!!! lol
Bonging!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Redskins D isn’t that good. A decent QB would have scored at least 17 on them in the first half. Problem is, we don’t have one.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
And the refs…
WOW, that was easily one of those “Raider” days with all the calls.
It has been awhile since a good screwjob like today.
I didn’t hear the audio, were the announcers questioning the calls??
Not even a review on the Chaz catch?? WTF was going on out there?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
I’m sure JaMeatloaf put in all kinds of work as the #2 guy considering ALL the minutes he put in as #1. You just know he was ready as EVER to step in!
Black Moses!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
aig Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Jhill,
Why do you think Russell will be here next year? he is scheduled to earn about 9-10 mil if we keep him. If we cut him it is a 3 mil loss. The only reason JR will stay with us is if he agreed to take a paycut. He will want out of here asap. However, he may realize that other teams will not pay him anything over league min. Therefore the only way he stays is redoing his contract due to no other chance of playing again. Or else he just forces the Raiders to cut him, take his $3mil and retire.
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The clueless owner will stick with Russell till the end.
You all just don’t want to accept that the ROOT CAUSE OF ALL OF THIS NONSENSE is the decision making of the WORST OWNER IN SPORTS!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Top 5 pick next. Get another Russell, in Russell Okung OT Oaklahoma St.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
SnB
I really doubt Cable would have passed on Eugene Monroe if he was in charge of drafting anyone…but its all Al Davis our coaches never have any say that is one of the many reasons why we cannot start winning with old Al IMHO
December 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Vegas, blaming the refs…in a blowout? A little desperate, no?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
the Oline isn’t great,that is common knowledge.but why do they look so much worse when Russell plays than when Gradkowski plays?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
I’m sure JaMeatloaf put in all kinds of work as the #2 guy considering ALL the minutes he put in as #1. You just know he was ready as EVER to step in!
Black Moses!!!
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Who keeps playing him?
Who FORCED him to play when EVERYONE knew he wasn’t the guyt?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
And, Vegas, if it was the refs, then you can’t blame Russell, right? Which is it?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Here we f-in go again with the Bush crap. The guy is obviously not doing what he needs to do to earn PT. Period. End. And shut the f up about it. He aint that good.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Jhill
I asked you a simple question and you still not answering, both Grad and JR played two quarters whose numbers looks better???
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I wonder why you want to even talk to a queer, moron, jinx first of all …
But to DIRECTLY answer your question, I said Russell should be benched in week 2 after the horrible performance against KC. I wanted Frye to start. I could care less about Russell.
None of that has anything to do with how bad out Oline was today ALL GAME!
Our Oline got our #1 QB knocked out of the game. That’s all I said, and you Russell haters got you panies all bunched up.
LMFAO!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Wheel …..
of…..
EXCUSES!!!!!!!!
First it’s Russell, now it’s the refs…
Go ahead and spin again, VegasRaider
December 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Yep me 2 Raider O Me 2 LOL
December 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Wondered how long it would take for someone to start crying bout the refs….
December 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Jhill
You quoting me wrong, you saying you looking at the score when I asked you can you read the stat sheet not the scoreboard, what is it with you, answer my question clearly, whose stats looks better between JR and Grad?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Loot at Alex Smith, V Young, B Favre, and others! It took them a few years to get it together!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
And raider O ….you know I been 1 of Russell bug supporters,but man like I said how can you do what Russell has done.Talking anbout stepping on yo dik lol
December 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
JHill:
You’re not sure what game I was watching?
I was watching the game where your guy Russell came out on the field and played like crap.
What the hell were you watching idiot?
Clean those effin glasses off and then go flush yourself.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
My bad! No problem apologizing for my errors Raiders4eve!
Now I’ll wait for your apology for putting me in the JRuss supporter category and all your name calling!
Show me where I said Russell was better than Grads or should be starting?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
The team quit once you know who got his “rhythm” going.
I don’t blame the refs for the game, we would have lost otherwise. But we still were on the wrong end of a bunch of close calls.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I waned us to pick JR, and I still have hope, but I will say this. The more he plays, my hope decreases!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
SnB,
I am well aware of Crazy Al. I am prob one of the few guys on here that understands that fcker and his tendencies. However, i dont see Al paying JR 9 mil at this rate. As much as Al committed to JR, there is no way cheapskate Al will pay him $9mil, esp in an uncapped year. The league is going to allow the owners to clean house in regards to the cap next year. Take that one to the bank. JR will prob end up redoing his contract cuz he doesnt ahve a choice other than retiring. Do you see any other teams in the league paying him more than the league min after this year’s performance and reputaton?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
10 million base pay plus 5 million roster bonus. JaMonkie is gonna get 15 million to have a completion percentage under 40 a QB rating under 20 & 2 TD passes. I honestly believe you can find some guy at junior college who would play for $5 an hour and do better than JaMonkie. Throw in anther 10 million to DHB and probably the worst pro sports moves in history. Way to go Big Al. JUST DIE BABY. Maybe we can ask Bernie Madoff to be GM from the joint.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
S&B says why was Russell even the back-up.
That’s an excellent question and exactly what I thought when he lumbered out on to the field.
Who’s to blame for Russell?
It has to be Al since Kiffin didn’t even want him.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
The only positive was Darren.
That was the best he has looked this year, and maybe ever.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
The team quit what, Vegas, not getting blown out? It’s not like they were winning when Russell came in. Washington isn’t that good. Even a mediocre QB puts up 17 on them in the first half. Obviously, Bruce “almighty” isn’t even that.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Very Insightfull Raider O lol
December 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I was watching the game where your guy Russell came out on the field and played like crap.
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England,
Yeah I saw that to! Did I ONCE say Russell played well? ONCE?!?!?!
My boy? LMFAO! If you say so, chappy!
I was watching the game where Jano missed the 66 yarder at the end of the half to go in down 17-10.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Jhill
You are a liar, this is what you said, now you are trying to escape from defending JR. We were all cursing the hell out of JR and all of sudden you comeout of nowhere and said this crap.
jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
You guys do realize we were losing when Russell came in the game, right? Grads was getting pressured AND SACKED all day, and we were getting stupid penalties.
Once the Redskins adjusted to McFadden by sliding a corner on him, the game was over!
DAMN IT !!!!!!!!
jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Like Charles Davis said on the broadcast, you would think that there would be some support for a come back try. Russell gets booed for coming out and leading the team to a score? That was ridiculous! Comes out on the second drive and leads the team to the 28 yard line, then Henderson gets beat really bad by Orakpo and gives up a sack. The how many penalties in a row did we get to push us out of FG range? Instead of it being 17-16 at a minimum, we punt the ball and go down 24-13.
Totally ridiculous to put this loss on #2.
Cable is on the radio now BLASTING his Oline play.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Why are all my comments awaiting moderation?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
The Oakland Raider Revival Plan:
1. Fire Tom Cable – Hackett to interim coach
2. Hire a downfield powerblocking head coach
3. Cut JaMarcus Russell tonight
4. Start Michael Bush full-time
5. Restructure or cut DMAC, Huff, Kelly, Gallery
6. Cut DHB
7. Cut Carlisle, Green, Warren in the offseason
8. Draft: DT, RT, RG, LG, LB
9. Trade Nnamdi Asomugha for more picks (this is a long-term rebuild in Oakland)
9. Bring in vet QBs for open competition with Gradkowski (Losman, Bulger, Rosenfelds, others???)
10. Sign a FB and bring in a nickle back / KR
December 13th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
You could indeed see the team quitting after Russell’s first “drive”.
They all looked like they wanted to call a taxi and go home.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
EnglandRaider, what are you talking about? This is ALL Kiffin’s fault. Al wanted Adrian Peterson. What Al meant to say was, “Adrian Peterson’s a great player, get over it”. He got confused. He drafted the wrong guy. Thought Russell was AD. We’re all going to get there.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Because you’re an uninteresting, flaming troll, Einstein. Here’s to the mods.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
SnB,
Your post get dumber by the minute. You really are a fool.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Alex Smith still sucks ass.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
IK agree Vegas Dmac is looking better abd better.With Grads at QB it really is starting 2 open Dmac.As always,well the last 7,wait till next year,but Dmac is a VERY BRIGHT SPOT and Climbing,imo
December 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
The Raiders don’t run this blog, Einstein. You get no points for being a die hard fan, here. You can’t act like an adult, your comments get smashed. Keep up the good work, mods.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Ahh I see, Jerry doesn’t like me calling him JaM0nkey
December 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Vegas-that is a weekly occurrence.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
JaBustus is NOT the man – Never will be, EVER!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Jhill
So while we grown arse men were discussing how Russel sucks, you implied that Bruce also sucked and added that we fans needed to support russel just like the broadcaster was suggesting. Wow now if that is not support for russel then what is it?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I would love to hear what JaMonkie has to say about the INT. Chaz was open, but because he decision making is so slow that by the time he did throw Chaz was covered. Is JaMonkie gonna blame Chaz for that too? JaMonkie is a cancer that needs to be terminated. Bad attitude, Bad work ethic, no heart whatsoever and throws teammates under the bus. What a great guy.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Our best offense in the second half was a ‘muffed punt’…that about says it all!
What a difference 1 guy makes…
December 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
The refs made some lousy calls and most against us but that stuff happens and we got breaks in the last game.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Eat a d1ck MR you little fagg0t.,
December 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
If Jamarcus gets the start next week, I’m not going to go watch it.
That will be the first time in years.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
REAL FOOTBALL starting on SNF.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
I’m still waiting for you to tell me where I supported Russell OVER GRADS, Raiders4eve !!!!!
I have a problem with the fans booing OUR TEAM while we are trying to come back and WIN back to back games. Not quite sure what type of fan you are, but we were down 17-10, SCORED a fg, and the team here’s booos ???
The team comes right back down after the defense steps up and the TEAM gets down the 28 yd line to get boooed again?
DAMN DUDE! You guys talk about the team quitting, well the fans quit first! Where the fugg is the home field advantage? That’s some dumb ass shyt to me, and it has NOTHING to do with Russell. The game was NOT over but our home field advantage surely was!
And did our Oline play bad and get our #1 qb knocked out of the game, or what?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Yep Russell is the REAL CANCER
December 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
JaM0nkey shouldn’t ever play another NFL game again, EVER. Unless it’s on the DLINE.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Jhill
“Totally ridiculous to put this loss on #2.”
What does that mean? doesn’t that state your support for JR.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Seriously, I would rather have Donald Hollas playing than JaM0nkey.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
You could indeed see the team quitting after Russell’s first “drive”.
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You mean the one where the team scored a FG? Didn’t the defense come right out and give the ball back to the offense?
Oh, my bad, you were trying to be funny.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I believe I wont watch either next week if Russell starts Vegas….1st time in YEARS 4me
December 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Sorry MR, I forgot JaM0nkey Leaf is your favorite Raider EVER, and you have his Jersey. Sorry to make you mad by dissing your player.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Jhill
We were slamming JR blaming him and you came in showing support to Russel by stating this, doesnt that imply that you SUPPORTING JR????
jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
You guys do realize we were losing when Russell came in the game, right? Grads was getting pressured AND SACKED all day, and we were getting stupid penalties.
Once the Redskins adjusted to McFadden by sliding a corner on him, the game was over!
DAMN IT !!!!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
If you want to see what a real running game looks like….see this game on tonight.
Running backs are supposed to get yards…not just be a vocal “leader”
December 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Seeing Cornell Green jumping up and down screaming at JR on that 4th down play just sums up how the players feel about him.
4th down and he didnt even bother to force a pass. I mean what was he trying to do, scramble for a few yds? never seen an QB gets yelled at by his own lineman before.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
The Raiders haven’t even started to rebuild
Coming up next…Denver Broncos
December 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Jhill
I am through with you, real fans know that JR sucks, if you wanna go and support him thats on you, we lost because of JR, period.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I believe I wont watch either next week if Russell starts Vegas….1st time in YEARS 4me
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I’m with you bro. No need to waste my Sunday with him behind the center.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Oh, good one, Einstein. How many character substitutions did you have to make to pull that comment off? It’ll probably get smashed, too.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Jhill
“Totally ridiculous to put this loss on #2.”
What does that mean? doesn’t that state your support for JR.
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If you say so, man!
I said as plain as day that I thought the game was over when the Redskins adjusted to McFadden sliding outside. Also the Oline play. Once our #1 QB got knocked out of the game, it was a wrap. QB got knocked out because of the Oline.
Don’t know how else to say it, but it is what it is. You HATE Russell, I don’t care about Russell. I blame the Oline, and you can blame whoever you want.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
JHill:
I wouldn’t dreamn of trying to be funny since you’re giving us so much comedy with those dum arse comments.
Now go flush yourself again moron.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
As for Defense, Carlos Dunlap from Florida or Rolando McLain from ‘bama look impressive.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
aig Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Seeing Cornell Green jumping up and down screaming at JR on that 4th down play just sums up how the players feel about him.
4th down and he didnt even bother to force a pass. I mean what was he trying to do, scramble for a few yds? never seen an QB gets yelled at by his own lineman before.
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My man, tell this to Jhill who thinks JR shouldnt be blamed for this lose. Best Quote of the day.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
# Einstein Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Seriously, I would rather have Donald Hollas playing than JaM0nkey.
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That’s pretty much what we tried today. Any QB that can’t put up 17 in the first half against this Redskins team? Considering this is supposed to be a statement game for the Raiders? Statement was made, alright. By Washington. And that is that the Raiders suck no matter who’s starting quarterback, and that will remain the case until Al is dead.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
The Raiders haven’t even started to rebuild
Coming up next…Denver Broncos
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I disagree bro. With an avg nfl qb back there, they’ve shown that they can be respectable with a bunch of young guys. With Jameatloaf back there, it’s unbearable. Leadership is extremely important and it has to come from the QB position.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
It’s the Davis Show with our Very Special Guest Star, JAMARCUS RUSSELL!
It’s time to play the music
It’s time to light the lights
t’s time to meet the Raiders on the Davis Show tonight.
It’s time to put on picks
It’s time to mess up right
It’s time to raise the curtain on the Davis Show tonight.
Why do we always come here
I guess we’ll never know
It’s like a kind of torture
To have to watch the show
And now let’s get things started
Why don’t you get things started
It’s time to get things started
On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Davisational
This is what we call the Davis Show!
(Tom Cable blows his trumpet
December 13th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Jhill
I am through with you,
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I appreciate that. Now maybe we can get back to talking about the first half of the game. Seems like you would have a lot more to say about that. I mean, it was spectacular until Russell came in, right?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
aig Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Seeing Cornell Green jumping up and down screaming at JR on that 4th down play just sums up how the players feel about him.
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When Cornell Green is yelling at you on the field, things are bad.
He got booed, he played like crap and got worse as time went on, his teammates yelling at him.
The kid my make it somewhere someday, but it ain’t going to be here.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Since you guys want to give Gradkowski props for one half of football, let’s add some facts to that. Score at half time was 17-10, which means that Gradkowski was on pace to lose 34-20. You guys want to play this hairsplitting game. Let’s go full circle. 34-20 for all intents and purposes is a blowout, especially considering that our final TD would have been junk that Washington gave to us. Gradkowski sucks. Get over it.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I’d rather have Donald Hollis’ mother playing instead of JaMonkie.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Before Gradowski’s injury the past three weeks were a huge improvement.
The brought energy and heart to the team and they responded.
There’s no telling if Bruce is the quarterback we need but we’ll get some idea of that when he comes back and plays the next three weeks.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
First half was tied 10-10 with us having the ball near midfield.
Couldn’t close out the half. Good teams in all sports close out halves and bad teams do what the Raiders did.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Fellas ,hope JRuss is OUT of uniform for the rest of the year,JUNK!Bench him and go with the 3rd QB,cant be worse than the fat man w/ the money!!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Mrs.
You do realize the Redskins were 4th in D last year. 9th in D this year. their problem has been the O not the D. You crack me up with your comments man. Other than that 2 minute drill, The Raiders had better control of the ball of the game. Dont believe me. look up time of possession in the first half. 17 vs 12 mins.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
EnglandRaider, what about 53 guys that bring heart to a team? What team survives with only 1 guy with heart? What team honestly thinks they can rest on that? What team forgets the possibility of that one player getting injured? You know who.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Madden you are either A)blind B)smoking crack C)not actually watching the game or D)JaMonkies gay lover.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Al Davis brought this rank fool to this team
Al Davis did this!
No one else!
Its not like Russell drafted himself and forced himself into the starting lineup.
Coaches/owners set the starting lineup…not players.
Russell was not qualified to be a QB to begin with.
YOUR HERO DRAFTED THE BUM!
NOW WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT
December 13th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
They should get another QB too. Ride Grads next season and try to get Pike or Collaros from cinci in a couple of years.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
One more game to go, and it’s 7 years straight with 10 or more losses. No owner has ever pulled it off. Here’s to you, Al Davis.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
One of the things that make Jerry’s blog so unique is that you can come on here and just post one word:
idiot
And everyone that reads here knows exactly who you’re talking about.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
I think you know who Russell’s gay lover is, Wishbone. The guy who drafted him.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Vegas,
I ahve never seen an Olineman do that to their QB. Never since watching fb in 1983. If Al forces JR on us and JR didnt earn the job next year, I am going to take a year break from the nfl. Can’t see myslef rooting for another team but will not waste my time with JR being forced on us fans.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
My man, tell this to Jhill who thinks JR shouldnt be blamed for this lose.
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Damn dude, I thought you were through, lol!
loss, by the way.
I just want you to tell me how Jamarcus Russell lost this game for us? I mean, really. All jokes aside, were you REALLY expecting him to come out and lead this team to a come back win? Why would you expect that?
We were LOSING when Grads went out, and had ZERO momentum.
Why are we even talking about Russell. It is clear as day that this team needs a mobile QB behind this Oline.
Why do you KEEP talking about Russell? We all know what it is. He is what he is, and Al Davis fired a coach over him, JUST LAST OFFSEASON!
Why are you arguing with a nobody on a blog dude! Write Al Davis a letter if you don’t like it. I can’t help you.
I told you an HOUR AGO that Frye was my guy! Are you just stuck or what?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Exactly, England Raider. They know you’re talking about Al Davis.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Culebra Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
They should get another QB too. Ride Grads next season and try to get Pike or Collaros from cinci in a couple of years.
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No way! Davis has no clue on how to evaluate QBs, develop them and play them.
The raiders need to build up the lines, run the football and play outstanding defense.
Davis is too incompetent to develop a QB.
Look at how HORRIBLE this rank loser plays QB…..
LANE KIFFIN WAS SPOT ON!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
But how could you take a year off, aig, meaning, Al Is God? Wont god get it right? If god forces Russell on us, isn’t it part of his divine plan?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Redskins scored 54 points in their last 2 games….30 against New orleans and Campbell had better stats than Brees
December 13th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
David Humm is KIlling JR on the post game radio show.
Says you can’t teach the things JR is lacking, “what u see is what u get”.
Atkinson,”sucked the energy out of the stadium”…
Humm says Grads is OUT, no 1 week injury.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Mrs.
Do I have to explain to you that AlisGod is meant for guys like you. How many times do I have to repeat that?
December 13th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Well, I think I’m done yelling at people especially when I really want to yell at Russell and Al too for inflicting us with this dodo of a quarterback.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Jerry, please be frank in your assessment of this game. yes the o-line played poorly and didn’t handle blitzes well, but the WRITING IS ON THE WALL. the game was over the second j russ stepped on the field. Please please please.
do not mistake professionalism for bias. Russell sucks, its okay for you to write.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Black Moses is hands down the most horrible Qb drafted at no 1.
Black Moses is A morale buster.
Black Moses sucks the life out of an entire NFL football team and 25,000 screaming fans in 1 swoop.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
VanHeathen Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
David Humm is KIlling JR on the post game radio show.
Says you can’t teach the things JR is lacking, “what u see is what u get”.
Atkinson,”sucked the energy out of the stadium”…
Humm says Grads is OUT, no 1 week injury.
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Someone get the message to Davis.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I can’t get over Jacory Harris from Miami either. The dude is skinny as a french model and fearless in the pocket w/ tremendous accuracy.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I thought last week in JR’ interview, he said he’d be ready if #2 was called. He looked worse than rusty hilger did when he replaced plunkett in a game in seattle many years ago. Pathetic for a guy who was pre-paid to perform. Plain flat-out pathetic. That game was winnable. He had that window of opportunity to prove it.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Yep never did like Lame Kitten but gotta give credit where credit is due.Lane Kiffen was right about Russell….Having had 2 say that I think I’ll read the paper 4 some “good” news
Persevere
December 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Black Moses is hands down the most horrible Qb drafted at no 1.
Black Moses is A morale buster.
Black Moses sucks the life out of an entire NFL football team and 25,000 screaming fans in 1 swoop.
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Al Davis drafted him number 1
Al Davis made the BUST QB 2nd string instead of on the practice squad
Davis sucked the life out of this franchise with 7 years of stupid decision making
December 13th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Personally I am done supporting Al. I will never again buy a ticket or any Raider gear again unless he is willing to make serious changes. The first change is to cut this lazy, brainless, fat pig JaMonkie. I then want him to hire a true GM who knows how to draft as well as acquire free agents. If Al pays JaMonkie to be the starter or even compete for a stating job I am done until Al is six feet under. He has taken the finest organization in pro sports and turned it into the biggest laughing stock. Having JaMonkie at QB just proves that Al has completely lost it. If I could I would hire Martin Sheen to take a trip up river and terminate him with extreme prejudice. Al please JUST PHUCKIN DIE ALREADY!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Kiffin knew the college talent landscape.
HE TOLD DAVIS NOT TO DRAFT THIS KID!
Al Davis brought all of this on himself.
Another stupid decision by the worst owner in Football
December 13th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Sign Gradkowski to a new contract. Draft a QB early in the draft – hey, the Bengals had Akili Smith, then got it right with Carson Palmer. Let’s hope we have a similar situation. We need OL help and Defensive help everywhere. We need an offensive coordinator. Cable MAY be gone, but then again, who will come here that is any better?
The officiating absolutely SUCKED in the first half (haven’t watched the DVR of the second half yet). Murphy continues to get robbed on calls. Clearly he had his hand under the ball AND control AND it was called a catch on the field, AND the Raiders ran another pla before review. Absolute HORSECRAP by the refs. And the halo rule on the punt SUCKED plus the extra flag – double jeopardy. The refs should lose their sacks for not letting the teams play. They played TOO much into the outcome both ways. I know that Jerry doesn’t buy into it, but it was too obvious that the refs wanted to be seen and heard in this game, and be part of the outcome. Even Jerry should be able to see it. Most times, the lack of calls are the best calls. It leaves the game in the hands of the players…
December 13th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
does it matter if the raiders were losing when grad was in still? it was the end of the half theres 4 quarters in football.. if we only played 2 quarters then we would lost to the steelers n bengles.. it doesnt matter what the halftime scroe is or if you are traling a game.. the end result is what matters and dispite if hes not the greatest quarterback in the first half let alone the nfl he provided what quarterbacks are required to give in this league and thats a W. whos to say he wouldnt have drove the raiders in the 3rd and 4th if the game had remained close. The D knows that with JR in point are going to come at a minimum no matter how much the team tries. If the team goes down 10 with bruce in the mindset is “ok well we need to score lets go baby” with Russ in and we go down ten the mindset is “game over”
December 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
SnB,
I dont disagree with you bro. At least we settled all arguments on Jruss vs a legit journeyman nfl QB after today’s game. Later boys. Time to find some good news.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Oh 1 more thing….Everyone see the pass Grads threw 2 Murphy behind the CB where Murphy had 2 curl and dive 2 catch it??????
THAT WAS A PASS OF BEAUTY BY GRADS
‘nite NATION
December 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Russell losing the fans is what sucks the life out of the team, man. You guys that have been at stadiums KNOW what a home field advantage means. WE lost it as soon as Russell stepped on the field. The fans started booing Russell, but they HAVE to realize that THAT is what sucks all the life out of the team.
How does booing the team when we are only down 4 pts help? Did you really hear all that booing on the 2nd drive?
How does that help the players?
That’s just AWFUL!
Al has to do something about this because we certainly can’t win with empty stadiums and the home fans booing our team!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
« Redskins pregame… | Main
Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski tore the miniscus ligament in his left knee and partially tore the one in his other knee, which very well could end his season with three games to play. Gradkowski…
Gradkowski hurts both knees
Gradkowski hurts both knees
Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkowski tore the miniscus ligament in his left knee and partially tore the one in his other knee, which very well could end his season with three games to play.
Gradkowski hurt his left knee on the first drive of the game, then got hurt again just before halftime.
“See what the MRI says tomorrow but who knows?” Gradkowski said. “I don’t count myself out. You never need surgery with MCLs. I’ll do whatever I can to get healthy fast, if I can.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?&entry_id=53473#ixzz0ZckRH6NU
December 13th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Keep the faith Nation.
RAIDERS UBER ALLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Get well SOON Bruce!
December 13th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
SnB
If they draft another QB there’s no way they get another J Russell. Any kid playing college ball now can out perform Russell at this point by a huge margin.
December 13th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I have never seen one player have such a negative effect to the team. You could see the energy in the team in second half was gone. They were no longer trying.
Also interesting watching JR’s interaction with his team mates on the field. During TV time outs he stands 10 feet away from the huddle. Not sure if this is so he can hear his headset in the helmet but it really had the look of he didn’t feel like he fit in.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Frye should be the starter and that Southwick kid mobilized.
Cut Russell immediately.
Sorry to hear about Gradkowski. Unfortunately, he does not have enough tape to give him the job in 2010.
Have to go out and get the best available QB in free agency. NO DRAFT PICKS…unless Davis hires a credible General Manager.
The O-Line is awful….Years and years of neglect
December 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
so play Frye!!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Culebra Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
SnB
If they draft another QB there’s no way they get another J Russell. Any kid playing college ball now can out perform Russell at this point by a huge margin.
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Only if there is an empowered General Manager. Which won’t happen.
All Davis will do is go out and draft the QB that throws the farthest at the combine or campus pro-day…or on YouTube.
So go get a veteran who can provide leadership and move on.
The Raiders are really handicapped with Davis at the helm. Can’t even do the normal things there
December 13th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
SnB,
It’s just a rock bottom situation right now man.
The fans won’t even root for our team or go to the games.
They concede the Oline is awful, we need an OC, and more than 1 LB, and of course, a QB.
It’s going to be really bad to see this team take the field for the rest of the season with Russell at QB. The booing is going to start as soon as the gates open. That’s no way for a team to play.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
You get paid $61 mil. Get it done.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
S&B-all the experts said Russell would be a good pro.does anyone remember one of the main reasons for his holdout was the old man was trying to get language in the contract so he could recoup some of his money if the guy turned out to be a flake or if he pulled a Vick?maybe the Raiders weren’t as sold on him as we are being lead to believe.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Gradkowski is tough for hanging in there with 2 MCL sprains.
He obviously makes our team better.
JaMarcus obviously makes our team worse.
We should start Charlie Frye next week he is a smart guy that can manage the game like Bruce.
Our O-line is good enough to win games, but not good enough to take the team to the next level.
If you hate on Fargas you don’t know football he is the best runner we have.
Darren actually looked good today both running and receiving when the O-line did their job.
Its impossible to know if Tom Cable is a bad coach because our head coach is simply a motivator since Al does everything.
Hopefully we win some more games so we get in the teens in the draft so atleast we dont have to pay the dumb pick 23583232453453 dollars
December 13th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
i asked earlier-even though our Oline isn’t great,why are they so much better for 1 QB than the other?
December 13th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
JHill,
Rock bottom is about it.
What’s lost in all this nonsense is that the defense gave up a ton of points and a ton of yards.
The O-Line got manhandled all game…hence Gradkowski got hurt
Still giving up big plays on the defense.
This offseason, the Raiders really have to start pairing back the payroll. Highest cap number in the league.
Gotta start making cuts and redeploying those savings into talented football players.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Miller talking about the pass rush today. Talked about how many times Grads got hit today whick knocked him out of the game. Grads didn’t take as many sacks but those hits add up, man.
Gallery being out hurt us today.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Only if there is an empowered General Manager. Which won’t happen.
All Davis will do is go out and draft the QB that throws the farthest at the combine or campus pro-day…or on YouTube.
So go get a veteran who can provide leadership and move on.
The Raiders are really handicapped with Davis at the helm. Can’t even do the normal things there
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As senile and delusional as Al is he won’t keep playing Russell in if he keeps performing the way he played today. He already allowed Cable to bench him this year and for the rest of the season at that.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
to those that touted Nicks over DHB,are you watching?
December 13th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
i asked earlier-even though our Oline isn’t great,why are they so much better for 1 QB than the other?
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I don’t know that they were, Lefty. I know you’re listening to Miller on the raido right now. He just talked about how Grads was getting hit and ultimately got him knocked out of the game.
Grads does a better job of getting ball out of there and taking some chances right before he takes a hit. But he is STILL taking hits. The Oline needs to be improved even with Grads in there. Please stop trying to turn this into a Russell thing.
I don’t care about Russell!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
and then……
December 13th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
S&B-all the experts said Russell would be a good pro.does anyone remember one of the main reasons for his holdout was the old man was trying to get language in the contract so he could recoup some of his money if the guy turned out to be a flake or if he pulled a Vick?maybe the Raiders weren’t as sold on him as we are being lead to believe.
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Lefty, Lane Kiffin told Al Davis not to draft the bum.
But Davis got captivated on combine throws and measurables.
Davis is no longer qualified to evaluate QBs. he hasn’t drafted a good QB in over 30 years.
The Raiders should have let the kid hold out. Davis should have listened to kiffin!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
to those that touted Nicks over DHB,are you watching?
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Yeah, he just took one 60yds for a TD
December 13th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
As lousy a pick as Russell turned out to be a lot of people had him projected at No. 1 overall.
Even after that the Raiders drafted Murphy, Shaughnessy, Myers, even Mitchell who might turn out not as bad.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
What’s lost in all this nonsense is that the defense gave up a ton of points and a ton of yards.
The O-Line got manhandled all game…hence Gradkowski got hurt
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Exactly SnB!
I was wrong about the defense earlier this week. I really thought they were turning the corner. But how “Raider” were those 3 offsides penalties in a row?
DAMN IT!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Siver lining in the Bruce Gradkowski injury is that he will most likely be resigned. He won’t have a chance to “blow up” and get away from us.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Jhill,
Tom Cable doesn’t know how to get a team ready to play football. He has to go as head coach.
The penalties are a result of a lack of attention to detail.
The defense has the same problems all year…although they are getting more pressure on the QB…which is a good thing.
The Raider defense is missing a good linebacker and a good DT. They are weak up the middle
December 13th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
What the crud is Cable thinking bringing in the slob? What would have been wrong with Frye or even McFadden in the wildcat or punting on first down, even. Anything but jaCarcass. This was THE worst officiating of a Raider game in recent memory. Bar none. How is the footing our fault???? The most disapointment I have experienced this season. We were in this until jaCarcass entered the fray and gift-wrapped their victory. It’s lucky they tried to pick it up and run with it at the goal line or it would have been even worse. You could see the slumping shoulders when Russell came in. Nice pocket presence. Do you need any more proof of his ineptitude, Al. Cut him NOW.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Siver lining in the Bruce Gradkowski injury is that he will most likely be resigned. He won’t have a chance to “blow up” and get away from us
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I am not completely sold on Gradkowski. So they will now have to bring in some credible competition because there is not enough tape on Gradkowski.
A couple of good halves doesn’t make a starter. Gradkowski earned the right to be in the discussion…but he has not earned the right to be the undisputed starter.
The Raiders should be looking hard for a QB in the offseason
December 13th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Like Miller just said …
This is NOT an offense that can play from behind. They HAVE to be able to run the ball. Once the defense gets to just pin it’s ears back and rush, we basically don’t have a chance.
We HAVE to upgrade our Oline! Charlie is 100% correct!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Jhill,you make my point.it is about Russell.he makes the people around him worse,while Gradkowski makes those around him better,or at least look better.one guy gets sacked 6 times,the other 2 times.are you saying you don’t see any difference in that?the line could be much better,but they aren’t as bad as they look when Russell plays either.
Jhill,you keep saying you don’t care about Russell,and while you may not,everyone on here thinks you do due to your comments.perhaps people wouldn’t get that impression if when everyone was pointing out how terrible Russell is you wouldn’t come in and talk of the ineptness of the WRS or the Oline.it really seems as if you are just making excuses for the terrible play of the QB.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Russell seems unable to learn period! Paul Hackett must be cursing his luck for getting this rube. I tell you if a half-decent qb were to be drafted from any program and gets Hackett as a coach he’d beat Russell for the starter job in a heartbeat!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
I am not completely sold on Gradkowski. So they will now have to bring in some credible competition because there is not enough tape on Gradkowski.
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Careful, SnB! If your not for Grads, you MUST be for Russell, lol!
At this point, I think we need to worry about upgrading the Oline and the OC. For EVERYONE, especially the players, to know that your offense has no chance if it gets down is very telling. They KNOW that they can’t pass protect if they are down?
We can’t even get Miller in the pass routes because he has to stay in and block. He just said he stays in to block about 40% of the time.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
i hate to say it, but i called this one…
russell=garbage
davis/marshall defense=garbage
o-line=garbage
stanford routt=garbage
how in the hell is routt still in the NFL??? i feel for players like asomugha, fargas, miller, murphy, ect. they should be playing for another team that actually has a future.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I know the players were dissappointed when JaCarcus came in because I was. I may not play but I am part of this thing. Iagree with that earlier post that JPuke won’t restructure and he will get the heave ho. His time in Oakland is done that was cemented today. I bet Frye starts next week if Grads can’t go.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Lefty,
I see your point, but I’m not going to pile on just because everyone else is. Do you agree with booing your team in a 4 pt game? CMON!
We were down 17-10 at halftime with the QB hits adding up to Bruce being knocked out of the game.
I really don’t see why I can’t come in here and talk about that! No matter WHAT I say, a few, NOT ALL, of you start in with the same ole stuff.
I said I thought the game was over when the Redskin adjusted to McFadden. Grads was in when that happened. Grads should have been going to the slot WR or whoever the LB or S was covering. The play was working because of a mismatch of a RB against a S. There was ZERO adjustment by Cable on that.
Because I point to other areas where I thought the game was lost doesn’t mean I support Russell. CMON!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Jhill,
I am definitely not for Russell. But I also recognize that even with that bust in the game, there is no reason a team should get blown out at home against a 3-9 team.
The team has holes all over the place as a result of neglecting key positions on the O-Line, D-Line and Linebacking corps.
Plus, the Raiders don’t have a running game. Fargas is a nice guy and all…but there is no real time production out of the running game. At the end of the day, RBs need to get yards….Fargas doesn’t do this.
Bush is the only back on this team to have 100 yard games the last two years…..Fargas is a role player and nothing more. DMAC is a disappointment as a ball carrier.
Fire Cable and hope the new coach will use Bush and DMAC correctly
December 13th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Jhill,you make my point.it is about Russell.he makes the people around him worse,while Gradkowski makes those around him better,or at least look better.one guy gets sacked 6 times,the other 2 times.are you saying you don’t see any difference in that?
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See Lefty,
Stop reaching for something man!
When did I say there was no difference? How many hits did Grads take today? Did he get knocked out of the game?
The Oline played bad today, like your coach told you they did. Why are you trying to make so many excuses for the Oline? We couldn’t run the ball with Grads in there and they got our starting QB killed today.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Jhill,
I am definitely not for Russell. But I also recognize that even with that bust in the game, there is no reason a team should get blown out at home against a 3-9 team.
The team has holes all over the place as a result of neglecting key positions on the O-Line, D-Line and Linebacking corps.
Plus, the Raiders don’t have a running game. Fargas is a nice guy and all…but there is no real time production out of the running game. At the end of the day, RBs need to get yards….Fargas doesn’t do this.
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Exactly SnB!
December 13th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
the booing wasn’t directed at the team-it was directed at Russell and Davis for forcing Russell on the fans.the last few weeks i’ve seen the coaches make good halftime adjustments.to me,you could see the letdown from the players when Russell entered the game.as Essiason said early in the year,Russell is an anchor around the teams neck.i hate to put it on one guy,but imo,the last 3 1/2 weeks have proven it.the team preforms and looks like an NFL team when he isn’t in the game.there is no doubt we have many other problems,but unless we improve the QB position none of those matter.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Jhill,
I think we are on the same page…with some minor disagreements on approach to fix this mess.
A lot of Raider fans think that we are just a QB away from a good team. They ignore the defense still getting gashed, the lack of a real running game, the special teams problems and a head coach that can’t get his team ready to play week in and week out.
31st against the run….that’s unacceptable
O-Line is horrible. You can make the argument that we have to replace every position on the line with the exception of Henderson.
When Gallery gets back from that back surgery, broken leg and all other problems…I have a feeling he is going to look REALLY OLD next year.
99 problems
December 13th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
the REAL problem with this team(besides al davis) that most people fail to see is BOTH the line units. despite big name on each line, both are pretty inconsistent. our defense is still ranked 30th in the league against the run even with el savior seymore. any offensive line that features cornell green(CORNELL GREEN!!) as a starter is bound to suck, and they do.
if big al had a shred of rationality left(he doesn’t) he’d use the upcoming draft and off-season to bolster both O and D-lines. he won’t though. at least we’ll get the fastest guy at the combine though!!! those guys are “great playahs”
christmas dreams that will NEVER come true:
al hires a GM
al hires a real DC and stays out of the way
al uses top 10 pick on an LT
uses 2nd round pick on a center
jamarcus russell is cut, and his name is never mentioned again.
stanford routt is cut, and his name is never mentioned again.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
S&B you are soooooooo wrong about the Dline.they are the strong point of our Def. and they are pretty young,except for Ellis.our LBs on the other hand are another story and are usually responsible for the big plays that cost us game after game.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Jruss is the most obvious symptom of a bigger problem: Al. he deserves the boos for his body of work. But he also gets the boos because he is the personification on the field of the 80 year old “rather be right than consistent” running the team. There are tons of issues that need to be addressed, but many of them are the direct result of AL doing what al does. Unfortunately for us, that is running his team into the ground. The more he looses, the more he tightens his grip (Cable is the head coach). The more he tightens his grip, the more our issues multiply and the further we slip from respectability.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
oh fck, priest was just on the radio. The guy doesnt sound too bright. lmao. Still love ya brother priest. lmao.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Lefty12,
They need help up the middle. Kelly/Warren are serviceable at best. THey are also paid way too much for what they do.
They need help at the MLB position for sure.
But the DTs are still bad and the MLB doesn’t make plays at the line of scrimmage
December 13th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Cable needs to be FIRED! for his mismanagement of the running backs too.
Bush should start…hell he should at least get 5 carries shouldn’t he.
I am sick and tired of Tom Cable’s antics on the sidelines
December 13th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Feel sorry for Zach on this post game show.
Constantly asked questions about stuff he’s got either no control, or nothing honest he can say…
handling it well, after he nearly got KO’d in the 4th qtr.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
S&B you are soooooooo wrong about the Dline.they are the strong point of our Def. and they are pretty young,except for Ellis.our LBs on the other hand are another story and are usually responsible for the big plays that cost us game after game.
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it’s pretty hard to determine our strength defensively when we run a scheme that is outdated by at least 20 years. we have great players on defense, however, they play in a system that is destined to fail. the year is 2009. it is IMPOSSIBLE to play man-to-man 90% of the time. it worked in the 70s when the raiders had the better athletes AND a rule book that allowed for the mugging of receivers. players, coaches, schemes, the way the game is played has changed and Al and the raiders have not. keep doin wht you’re doin, keep gettin what you’re gettin.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Priest, its over man. Russell might be a player…but it won’t happen here.
Russell needs to go. He’s lost his team, coach and fans. The only one in his corner is an owner who has no clue about what he’s doing.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
you just hate on Kelly because of his salary.if you really watch the guy,he plays a damn good DT.would it be better to have 2 all-pros-hell yes.but the guys we have do their jobs very well.i totally agree about the LBs.we need a couple lay the wood bad-ass LBs.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
i finally registered to post on this site after reading since the off-season. unfortunately it was after this particular game and im a tad drunk, but i need to vent.
disclaimer:
i am and ALWAYS will be a raiders fan. i even got a raiders shield tat on my arm when i visited oakland on a business trip an hour before the raiders@niners preseason game this season, in fact -and im from alaska! im proud of being part of the nation despite the unfortunate sh*t that i get from people that dont know anything about football before the past few seasons. so i dont need anyone getting on my sh*t for not being a true fan.
for the blind jruss defenders and those endlessly parroting ‘racism’:
i would be 100% behind jruss if the guy could help us win games. he cant, not right now at least. i dont know why he would make such outrageous claims of improvement he has made after 3-4 weeks of sitting on the bench, but he did, and he couldnt back them up. he should have been pulled and frye sent in for the last few series’ of this game. the radiocast and freaking local SAN DIEGO sports commentary were dejected and pissed off by jruss performance. greg papa, the man i am afraid will die from a brain aneurysm every time the raiders make a TD, didnt even give a sh*t the last quarter and a half. neither did i.
for everyone else:
i wouldnt call the O-line garbage, but it is obvious that they are different when jruss is out there. gradkowski gets sacked twice in a half, and jruss gets one in nearly every series. maybe our O-line isnt good enough to protect a rooted QB. if thats true, then we either need to fix our O-line or our rooted QB. which is quicker and easier? (the answer is QB, as grad’s production has shown us).
i dont want to give up on jruss -i mean look how much gannon moved around before settling in oakland and taking us as far as he did. the kid is young and obviously extremely naive. he can learn, but he needs more than a 4-week benching to do it. he needs to SIT and LEARN until he can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt that he HAS learned. he should be considered an project-QB and not be allowed to be on the field until he has met some arbitrary conditions. if he wont take a pay cut while he does that, then he needs to be let go. i wonder who will pay him big bucks after seeing this season.
as a side note: why is it that sh*t olbermann smashes the raiders every chance he gets EXCEPT THIS TIME?? counting the sacks is lightweight compared to the crap he would pull on us when we win. i hate that guy.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
you just hate on Kelly because of his salary.if you really watch the guy,he plays a damn good DT.would it be better to have 2 all-pros-hell yes.but the guys we have do their jobs very well.i totally agree about the LBs.we need a couple lay the wood bad-ass LBs.
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The DTs don’t take up space. They don’t eat blockers. They are okay at rushing the passer and such…but they aren’t the guys that can clog the middle.
As for salary, I am hating on the salary. The Raiders pay too many players ridiculous salaries for middling performance. Gotta start getting salaries in line with performance.
December 13th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Looks like its already that time of the year to talk about offseason moves and the draft. Yes!!! The best part about being a Raider fan.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Extremely disappointing loss considering last weeks quality win.Russell came in and proved that he is not nor will he ever be a good quarterback for the RAIDERS.I didn’t really expect a big change in him but I expected some urgency. Nope-same old crap with JaMarcus
December 13th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
they do clog the middle you don’t see many big gains up the gut.they are usually cutbacks or outside runs-which goes back to the LBs.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Looks like its already that time of the year to talk about offseason moves and the draft. Yes!!! The best part about being a Raider fan
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As a Raider fan, we are in a continuous offseason.
Our regular seasons are just extended training camps….meaning we are trying to figure out starting lineups, schemes, rotations etc…
This franchise has no clue
December 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
No one has mentioned much about it but the uncapped year is a god send for teams like the Raiders. There is going to be some serious salary shedding for crappy teams while the rich teams like the Cowboys are going to sit back and eat up all the scraps.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Rusell may flourish in another system, like a parcells or bellichink… who make any QB good…
I would trade this guy for a draft pick and forget about it…
It aint happening here, Rusell is a statue out there, and no brains either….
December 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
the booing wasn’t directed at the team-it was directed at Russell and Davis for forcing Russell on the fans.
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I understand that Lefty, but booing is booing! Russell isn’t the only one on the field. ALL the players hear it, and so does the OPPOSING team! The game is essentially over when the home crowd is booing. What confidence is that giving the players? Who wants to play for boo birds?
It’s not something that should be happening, and I wouldn’t put Russell in front of the home crowd again. It’s just not fair to the rest of the team.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
No one has mentioned much about it but the uncapped year is a god send for teams like the Raiders. There is going to be some serious salary shedding for crappy teams while the rich teams like the Cowboys are going to sit back and eat up all the scraps.
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Cut
JAMARCUS RUSSELL – IMMEDIATELY – CUT HIM TONIGHT
Restructure or cut:
DMAC
Huff
Kelly
DHB
Warren
December 13th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
jamarcus russell is and always will be a project. if he ever succeeds in the NFL(doubtful), it won’t be in oakland. when you are getting drastically outplayed by bruce gradkowski, it may be time to look in the mirror.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Al please draft Oline AND Dline
December 13th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
JaBustus: I think he might be done as a Raider at this point. The only way we should keep him is if he drastically restructures his contract. I dont think its even worth paying him 2-3 mil per year which is already a huge drop from his current contract. You think he would take 1-2 mil per year?? I certainly don’t. He should just be released. If he eventually pans out somewhere, who cares. It wasn’t gonna happen here. We need people who can motivate themselves trying out for QB next year.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Jhill,
Why didn’t Cable try running the ball more when Russell was put in?
Hell, why didn’t he run the ball more with Gradkowski in there?
This coach has to go
December 13th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
i agree with what you say about the booing,but i believe the players know what is going on.the thing is i also believe it helps fire up the visiting team.but in the end,what can frustrated fans do to voice their displeasure with a player or the direction of the team.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
russell had a HUGE opportunity today to prove everyone wrong, and, not surprisingly, fell flat on his face. i remember when people on this very site loved to bash andrew walter. i’d give my left nut to have AW back over the overpaid joke that is jamarcus russell.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Russell will never be an NFL quarterback.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
I understand that Lefty, but booing is booing! Russell isn’t the only one on the field. ALL the players hear it, and so does the OPPOSING team! The game is essentially over when the home crowd is booing. What confidence is that giving the players? Who wants to play for boo birds?
It’s not something that should be happening, and I wouldn’t put Russell in front of the home crowd again. It’s just not fair to the rest of the team.
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the other players MUST know that it is directed at jruss.
i know it isnt helping anything, but if you paid for a ticket and wasted your afternoon at this game, you deserve to boo when jruss goes out there and destroys your enjoyment.
sh*t, for the people who bothered to show up, they especially deserve that right.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
I was advocating this last year when it wasn’t popular but we should have traded Nnamdi when his stock was at an all-time high. We could have easily gotten a 1st and a player. Whats the point of having him? Shut-down corners are great on a good team. It doesn’t matter when your team sucks. Now, his stock has taken a little bit of a hit and it might be harder to move him. Classic Al mistake. Made the same mistake by picking up Seymour. Always thinks his team has a chance to compete and is only a player or two away.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Jhill,i was at a game where they booed Stu Schweigert AFTER he intercepted a pass.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
# Crimedog Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
JaBustus: I think he might be done as a Raider at this point. The only way we should keep him is if he drastically restructures his contract. I dont think its even worth paying him 2-3 mil per year which is already a huge drop from his current contract. You think he would take 1-2 mil per year?? I certainly don’t. He should just be released. If he eventually pans out somewhere, who cares. It wasn’t gonna happen here. We need people who can motivate themselves trying out for QB next year.
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I have a feeling Al, when going through JR’s contract with a fine “5 tooth” comb, wishes he added in “must come into camp in shape, and stay in shape”.
Now Al wishes he can void the contract, but he can’t.
And the dumbest rock on the planet has to be JR with his “that’s not even something I’m going to consider”, regarding his contract.
Nope..he’s going to take what’s owed him, and what’s very VERY OBVIOUS, is he’ll be quite happy dropping out of football, while spending the rest of his life over a bbq pit.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
SnB,
Cable did try and run the ball with Russell in, at first. But he just couldn’t help himself on a few plays.
On the first 2 drives that Russell was in, the team moved the ball down to the 28 yd line. BOTH TIMES, 1st and 10 from the 28, Cable calls pass plays that Henderson gets beat on for big sacks. BOTH TIMES.
Those 2 play calls were HUGE! Cable should have stuck with the run and short passing game to Miller and Murphy. Tried to go deep with Russell and a 7 step drop on 1st and 10, and WHAM!
We all saw it was Grads mobility that allowed him to work behind that Oline. Why Cable wouldn’t just pound the rock and take the screens and TE passes from that position on the field is beyond me. Don’t put the team in a position to fail!
December 13th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Jhill,i was at a game where they booed Stu Schweigert AFTER he intercepted a pass.
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I just don’t understand our fans sometimes. The way we run our OWN players outta town is crazy. Our run defense has been lights out since Stuey left, right?
LOL!
December 13th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
We’re beating a dead horse here gentlemen. There are too many fix-its to happen overnight. No doubt we need a coach/qb relationship and build around that. Sad to say, if Cable goes, we go back in time even more. In Cables’ defense, he’s got more fire than the last 7 years worth, but he needs to make changes too. That was his o-line out there today. So lets start there. Get a good OC and a play caller, coach the o-line and manage game day. Cable needs some help. Three weeks of mediocre glimmer spoke alot as to where some consistency could get us.
Coming from such a wretched last seven years, there was a spark of hope. Maybe today the beating was so painful, Davis will see the need for a mobile/wco type qb. He plunked down 60 mil on the table and lost. If he thinks he can recoup that, he’s wrong.
Pick a smart combo: coach/qb. Build around that. Look at the winners. Your way is losing.
You just can’t throw a strong arm in todays game and expect results. Doesn’t happen. Way too many components. Everything thing has always been a gamble with Al. He’s won big and he’s lost big. But there are other ways to win. Put a well thought of coach/qb combo out there. Build wisely around that. Al wanted to build around JR and Dmac and DHB. Didn’t work and probably won’t ever. Need a coach first and foremost.
Your victorious teams had well seasoned vets, good picks and decent coaches for the most part. And they knew the game. They were smart and they were hungry. Al, the plan is simple.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
It is time to get Fry ready to start next week. Russell not only hurts the team, he is a physical danger to his wide receivers with his errant throws.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
# jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
the booing wasn’t directed at the team-it was directed at Russell and Davis for forcing Russell on the fans.
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I understand that Lefty, but booing is booing! Russell isn’t the only one on the field. ALL the players hear it, and so does the OPPOSING team! The game is essentially over when the home crowd is booing. What confidence is that giving the players? Who wants to play for boo birds?
It’s not something that should be happening, and I wouldn’t put Russell in front of the home crowd again. It’s just not fair to the rest of the team.
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Are you serious, Jhill?
Booing is part of sports. It’s stating “HEY, THAT’S UNACCEPTABLE”..this isn’t the opera, where you politely clap regardless, it’s measured in win’s and losses, or at least giving 100%.
What I would be is that every player who hears it silently says “Good..I agree. Get your s**t together, JR”.
As far as the game being over when fans boo?
Huh??
They’re booing, in this case, the player. It’s designed to KICK THEM IN THE ASS..it’s a verbal ‘LET’S GO, DAMNIT”.
Any player who quits after being booed should quit, period.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Kelly and Warren need to restructure or go home. I just don’t see it like some people here do with Kelly. He has NEVER made a play that made me sit back and say wow. Last week watching the Packers game, I saw Raji (who I was against drafting because he would probably eat his way out of the league on the Raiders) make a play where he just drove the guard back into the backfield and completely disrupted the running play. I haven’t seen Kelly do that once. Plus, he might be the dumbest player we have on defense with the continual offsides plays. Warren is decent but he’s not worth 6 mil per year. Hopefully, we can get him for like 2 mil per year.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
I was advocating this last year when it wasn’t popular but we should have traded Nnamdi when his stock was at an all-time high. We could have easily gotten a 1st and a player. Whats the point of having him? Shut-down corners are great on a good team. It doesn’t matter when your team sucks. Now, his stock has taken a little bit of a hit and it might be harder to move him. Classic Al mistake. Made the same mistake by picking up Seymour. Always thinks his team has a chance to compete and is only a player or two away.
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we could end up with another fargas on our hands. a guy who is a die-hard Raider. asomugha is obviously a guy that values and espouses loyalty and leadership, we dont need to get rid of a player that has those qualities as well as especially-high ability. no sense in getting rid of exceptional players for other exceptional players, especially if the team has more to benefit from them than simply from their ability.
aso is a class-act, treating him like a pawn in a chess game is doing him a disservice.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
that is no catch if you are wearing silver and black!
December 13th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
the other players MUST know that it is directed at jruss.
i know it isnt helping anything, but if you paid for a ticket and wasted your afternoon at this game, you deserve to boo when jruss goes out there and destroys your enjoyment.
sh*t, for the people who bothered to show up, they especially deserve that right.
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I understand that too ….
I think my issue is that we were still in the game, and came off a scoring drive and there is booing.
Really????
Can we at least wait until the guy makes a bad play or 2? That first sack was clearly on Henderson. Orakpo beat him like a drum. Other than that, the team was moved the ball to the 28yd line and Russell completed passes to Miller and Higgin. Henderson gets beat, Cable calls a bad reverse on 2nd and 19, and DMac drops the next pass that would have at least made it a much easier FG.
There was no need for booing after that series.
Defense gets the ball right back and the offense hears boos while coming on the field. RIDICULOUS!
December 13th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I love Captain Kirk but he’s just average. I would try to keep him around for a low salary and draft a LB in the draft to bring some serious competition. Howard should stay for the long haul. Not great against the run but consistently makes plays game to game and plays with fire. Gotta like that.
Huff: See ya later. Welcome to the Branch, Mitchell, Eugene era.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Booing is part of sports. It’s stating “HEY, THAT’S UNACCEPTABLE”..this isn’t the opera, where you politely clap regardless, it’s measured in win’s and losses, or at least giving 100%.
What I would be is that every player who hears it silently says “Good..I agree. Get your s**t together, JR”.
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Of course it is. But my goodness you would think that there would be a bit of balance. The kid is terrible, but he wasn’t losing the game AT THAT POINT. He just led the team to a scoring drive. The defense got the ball back, and the offense has to take the field to boos?
I understand all the Russell stuff but I just don’t get rooting for your team to lose. Can we lose before the boos come out?
December 13th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Gogo0
You think trading him to a contender would be a disservice?? I think he would be ecstatic. The only reason he didn’t gripe about staying here was due to the astronomical contract he signed. I know he’s a good guy. But I can guarantee that we would love to play for a contender and get some real exposure that goes with it.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Cable has to start Fry next week for the good of the team.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Good post Island!
December 13th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
why would you want to trade Nnamdi?for more draft choices?you guys hate the way we draft.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
I don’t think we should try and trade Russell. We need to make him 3rd string and ride out his contract. Why should we REWARD him by letting off the hook and going to another team? He needs to serve out his sentence a take the next 3 years of bashing from the fans. Let him sit on the sidelines and catch the rath of the fans.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
I hope Al got a good look at the QB who took a beating today but stood tall and led his team to the win.
Jason Campbell will be a FA in 2010.
Go sign him Al.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I understand that too ….
I think my issue is that we were still in the game, and came off a scoring drive and there is booing.
Really????
Can we at least wait until the guy makes a bad play or 2? That first sack was clearly on Henderson. Orakpo beat him like a drum. Other than that, the team was moved the ball to the 28yd line and Russell completed passes to Miller and Higgin. Henderson gets beat, Cable calls a bad reverse on 2nd and 19, and DMac drops the next pass that would have at least made it a much easier FG.
There was no need for booing after that series.
Defense gets the ball right back and the offense hears boos while coming on the field. RIDICULOUS!
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i agree with that. boo those who deserve it. i was very happy with the defense, considering the offense jruss was mustering. the whole season the D has been doing well and then dropping off when they realized there was no point to their effort (i would say this was subconscious and not a overt decision to give up) and dropped off.
i think everyone is out there doing their best. the problem is that some bests are not NFL-calibre, and that affects everyone else.
i think the D did the best they could before a sense of hopelessness overtook them. when your offense is not only ineffective, but working against you, it takes a lot more than most people have to overcome that. i dont blame them for that. a paycheck cant override the psychological effect of your own fans booing you while you try to make up for your own offense.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
More draft choices and a lineman in exchange. Why not?? Has Nnamdi helped us win any more games this year?? I think he may be overrated at this point. Sell high, buy low.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
not at $10 million a year,even though to be honest,since it isn’t my money i don’t care about salaries.as long as we can sign whomever we want,we shouldn’t worry about what a guy is being paid.if we don’t play them someone else will.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
# aig Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
oh fck, priest was just on the radio. The guy doesnt sound too bright. lmao. Still love ya brother priest. lmao.
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Doesn’t sound too bright? LMFAO…that’s an understatement, if I ever heard one.
I hear the host say ‘Here’s priest from Fremont’..I expected someone, because of comments on here from others, to come on with an astute take, passionate, and precise..instead PRIEST SOUNDS LIKE A FREAKING MORON..
I use to wonder why he spelled like an illiterate..thought maybe he was just typing quickly…BUT NO..THE GUYS TRULY DENSE.
I SWEAR TO GOD priest talking makes JR’s speech sound clear and precise. Priest sounds like a ghetto hick, all slurring his words, bumbling over his comments. It’s like a drunk would sound, with a mouth full of marbles, except priest wasn’t drunk.
And the funniest part was the hosts making it clear they knew about priests idiot calls each week, and cut him off mid sentence, not even letting him finish his “I WATCH JR..HE GOOD. I SEEN HIM PWAY. EVERBODY GIVE UP ON HIM, BUT I KNOW HOW TO PLAY”, saying “yeah yeah, priest, we got it” and disconnected his dumbass.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
and then when we are giving up huge passing plays you will complain we need a CB.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
No I wont. Not as long as we still generally suck as a team. If we were a player or two away, then yeah. We’re clearly not.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I love the fact that none of you guys think about defensive adjustments when Russell came in.
Defensive Ends can’t pin their ears back with a mobile QB due to leaving a running lane if they get pushed behind the play.
With Russell in those guys were not afraid of Russell beating them with his legs.
IT CHANGES THE PASS RUSH SCHEMES
No way the Skins play that way if Gradkowski stays in.
Game was 10-10 before the Special Teams Coach keyed a late half TD to put the Skins up 17-10.
Game could have been very different with Gradkowski healthy.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
By the way, aren’t we giving up huge passing plays as it is??
December 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Re: Booing.
Players know in most cases, where it’s directed.
How can they not?
JR was booed the moment he jogged to the huddle to start the second half. It’s the fans way of saying ‘OH NO..ANYBODY BUT YOU’.
And yeah, the fans waited for ANYTHING that resembled the JR of recent to let him know they again are saying “OH NO”.
You could almost see the resigned look on the players faces..and as the sacks mounted, you just saw the team look depressed, and defeated, almost resigning themselves to the inevitable.
Now, it’s not just the fans who saw it..Papa saw it..Flores saw it..on the postgame show, the host saw it..Artie saw it.
If Grad is out for the season, just write down 4-12
December 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Crimedog:
You think trading him to a contender would be a disservice?? I think he would be ecstatic. The only reason he didn’t gripe about staying here was due to the astronomical contract he signed. I know he’s a good guy. But I can guarantee that we would love to play for a contender and get some real exposure that goes with it.
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it serves us as much as it serves him being here. we have one CB that isnt a problem. at this point i think shutting down the X receiver and his leadership and POISE is worth whatever we are paying him. imagine if we didnt have the leaders we did on D, we could be looking at a much worse situation than we are now.
the guy is worth keeping around, and he knows it. i think he already feels like he is a Raider and he is doing what he can. best to cultivate that than get rid of him for another pick that will be maligned by us monday-morning QBs (or CBs, in this case).
December 13th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Cable said if Russell came in that he expected him to play the same as Gradkowski.
LOL!
That comment alone should get him fired.
December 13th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
it makes me laugh when people say when Russell enters the game the coaches should call more running plays and not pass so much.is he an NFL or not?or are you saying he is sooooooo bad,we shouldn’t let him throw the ball?
December 13th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I don’t really disagree with any of that Richochet.
I know in a lot of ways I’m being unrealistic about the booing, but gawd damn man! How is the team supposed to TRY and come back with all that booing? Our home crowd needs to try and give the team some confidence! Does Henderson REALLY know they crowd is booing Russell instead of him after those sacks he gave up early in the 2nd half?
December 13th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I know you guys don’t care but…
I got -1 points from both my WR today and will still top 100 points in my FF league.
Sorry Dirty Onez
December 13th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Message to JaDoubleQuarterPounderw/Cheese,
You said the next time we saw you, it would be a different JR.
You lied.
Restructure or be cut.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
or are you saying he is sooooooo bad,we shouldn’t let him throw the ball?
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Pretty much. And definitely shouldn’t be calling deep drops and deep patterns. Nothing but dump offs, TEs, and crossing patterns or plays out of the shotgun.
Same stuff Cable called for most of the Pittsburgh game.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Raider75:
Cable said if Russell came in that he expected him to play the same as Gradkowski.
LOL!
That comment alone should get him fired.
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i think Cable has a chance if we go 7-9. at least that is an improvement, despite it being a big change of plan. i mean who else is there??
cable seems to have the respect of the team. if he can improve even slightly over last season, i think he will stay. a lot of blame lies on jruss and the receivers dropping the ball, and i dont know how much better we would be (minus the sometimes f*cked-up playcalling) if we had Gruden running the show.
let someone get their heels dug in. we arent going to improve with what we have (and one first-round draft pic -see Murphy for a non-first-round success story) if we keep switching things up. we only get so much each season. we need to work with what we have, and we do have a lot of talent that needs to be nurtured.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
# jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
I don’t really disagree with any of that Richochet.
I know in a lot of ways I’m being unrealistic about the booing, but gawd damn man! How is the team supposed to TRY and come back with all that booing? Our home crowd needs to try and give the team some confidence! Does Henderson REALLY know they crowd is booing Russell instead of him after those sacks he gave up early in the 2nd half?
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Does it matter who the crowd was booing?
Henderson NEEDED to be booed.
I’m tired of the sympathy BS concerning these overpaid pieces of sh*t.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
the same plays were being called.the difference is 1 QB is able to make all his reads and the other can’t.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Does it matter who the crowd was booing?
Henderson NEEDED to be booed.
I’m tired of the sympathy BS concerning these overpaid pieces of sh*t.
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That’s probably true 75!
True indeed!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Just watched Orakpo’s big day on nfls highlights. Henderson got blown up on on. With two coming on 14 step drops by russell and one with russell holding onto the ball too long and then running into the rush. He’s sad.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I think todays booing was pure frustration. It was a message to Al, and fans were booing at the bs JR has been. Part of me feels sorry for him, but the other side says, hey, you’re in the show now. You’ve been pre-paid, big time. When you signed, surely you knew this comes with the territory.
Message to Al: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
JHill: That would be pretty funny if JaM went before Al and said he would like to be pardoned, you know, released. And Al, the warden says, sorry kid, you’ve got to finish your sentence, three more years. But I will make you 3rd string for good behavior.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Lefty,
You know what you have in 1 QB, and you know what you have in the other.
It’s pretty clear to me that their should be a different set of plays for Russell than Grads. Grads is obviously more mobile than Russell and can buy more time. I would simply NOT run plays that take 4 seconds to develop with Russell in there. He’s going to stare down that 1st read so make it a quick one instead of something deep.
Stop wishing for the leopard to changes his spots. If he’s good at getting the ball to the TE and RBs, then feature that instead of keeping Miller in on Max protect. And Russell completed balls to JLH and Murphy, both on shorter patterns, and both for 1st downs.
I’ll say the same thing for Fyes if he gets the start. He’s not as mobile as Grads and our Oline needs work. Shorter routes man!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
14 step drops …
LMFAO!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
LOL Island ….
Give him the Marcus Allen treatment!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Seriously fellas …
All we are talking about is the team having a chance to win when we are down. Even with Grads in. Once again, we were losing getting out played by a team with a worse record than us BEFORE our #1 QB went out.
How do we get to the point where the OTHER team is talking about having a chance to come back. I really don’t see the vision for this offense. It seems pretty vanilla and not capable of consistantly putting up points with out some kind of luck.
And I really thought our defense was making strides but our LBs in the middle of that zone coupled with Branch’s inxperience and Hiram Eugene is prety painful to watch.
DAMN IT!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
the plays are there-the QB just doesn’t see them and holds the ball too long.every game Russell has played,i’ve heard the announcer say at one time or another that the pass was thrown too late.it isn’t that we are calling plays that take too long to develop,its that the QB doesn’t make the decision fast enough to make the plays.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
jhill Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
LOL Island ….
Give him the Marcus Allen treatment!
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He might be OK with that!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
how do you figure we were being outplayed?we had more yards,lead the time of position,and would have had the lead except for some terrible calls by the officials and a meltdown by our special teams coach.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Jhill:
are we really looking to have to styles of offense? what other team caters to two different style of QB??
we need to make a choice and if that choice changes in the future, we need to make the change in an offseason. either way, it needs to be more-or-less permanent. we can be switching in-and-out QBs that require different things from our O-line. Thats a recipe for mediocere…ness?
December 13th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Again. I’ll preach the coach/qb combo. Has to be.
(a good coach/qb combo)
They spend early hrs and late hrs developing a plan.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
btw,the meltdown was justified!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Island:
Give him the Marcus Allen treatment!
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yeah, give him to KC. they dont seem to be having a lot of luck with cassell. i wonder if they could be tricked somehow…
December 13th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
I wouldn’t say that we are looking to have to types of offense, and I’m in no way talking long term.
Grads is hurt and done for the year. There is no way I would call 7 steps with a deep route as the first read if I were calling plays. For what? It would be nothing but running the ball and PA passes for Russell. 3rd and long would be out of the shotgun and probably moving the pocket to one side of the field by design.
I would do something other than what we ALL know won’t work.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Today’s second half performance by the Raiders have officially put Al Davis on the spot. This offseason he has to choose between JaMarcus Russell and the rest of the team. They clearly went south when Russell came in. Then he gotta figure out what to do with Cable.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
how do you figure we were being outplayed?we had more yards,lead the time of position,and would have had the lead except for some terrible calls by the officials and a meltdown by our special teams coach.
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Or maybe if we could get a guy on Fred Davis?
The redzone defense we saw against Pitts and Cincy just wasn’t there today.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Draft TEBOW!!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
It sucks being a Raider fan down here with all these crazy Who Dats with 13-0 plastered everywhere. But tomorrow I will just as always sport my all black Raiders fitted with the Shield on the front, Art Shell style.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
part ways with IT!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
IT=FAT SLOTH
December 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
THIS GUY IS GOING TO GET OUR WIDE RECIEVERS SERIOUSLY INJURED !!!
HE LAY’S THEM OUT ALMOST LIKE HE’S SETTING THEM UP ON PURPOSE I FELT SORRY FOR ZACH AND JLH TODAY. I KNOW THEY ARE MEN AND GET PAID TO PLAY BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE HE IS GOING TO GET ONE OF THEM SERIOUSLY HURT.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Seriously nation Grad is not the long-term answer we need someone who Grad can groom. Perhaps TEBOW,or McCoy but we do need someone now Grad is a short-term solution.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Time to look seriously at available veteran FA QB’s. Does Vick fit in here? May be he will. Certainly the WHAlE (i.e. JaBustus) will not be a serious contender for the QB position, assuming he’s even here.
Our next draft absolutely must focus on quality POWER O-linemen & a MLB. Fill all other needs (i.E. D-Line) from FA. We don’t really need any other skilled players. WE NEED MEAN POWERFUL BIG-UGLIES.
AD must have figured out by now that JaBustus is NOT THE MAN he thought he was. AD just needs how to separate himself gracefully. I know, call a press conference with an overhead projector showing a bunch of X’s & O’s showing how the WHALE was insubordinate for not following instructions and eating too many cheesburgers at practice.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Imagine TEBOW pumping up the players and the black hole! WOW! I just invisioned it. We do need someone here for the long-term because next year we will not have a 1st rd. pick this is probably the best opportunity to draft our REAL franchise qb of the future.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
we need to quit going after media darling choices-JR,Dmac,McCoy-and get a real player.Jake Locker,if he comes out.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Jhill:
I wouldn’t say that we are looking to have to types of offense, and I’m in no way talking long term.
Grads is hurt and done for the year. There is no way I would call 7 steps with a deep route as the first read if I were calling plays. For what? It would be nothing but running the ball and PA passes for Russell. 3rd and long would be out of the shotgun and probably moving the pocket to one side of the field by design.
I would do something other than what we ALL know won’t work.
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is he really done for the year? Al needs to look at things and think:
Do i really want to develop Jruss?
or
Do i really want to abandon (or force to adapt) Jruss?
we have three more games that mean absolutely nothing. spend them on whoever you think will carry the torch.
thats three REGULAR SEASON games you are willing to give up to develop someone. it either needs to be Frye (the un-Jruss) or Jruss, and that needs to be a final decision. he needs to decide what direction this team is going. there is obviously no middle ground.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
NEW POST ———————->
December 13th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Did you hear the collective sigh of the 18,000 in attendance–including his teammates–when Jamarcus entered the game? I feel bad for him, but he has no business being out there. Bruce might not be a sure thing, but he really didn’t do anything today that led me to think last week was a total fluke. In fact on several stalled drives he’d actually made the throw but the WR or refs took it away.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Vick is not the solution we need to draft one and learn behind Grad. Vick is inconsistent and makes horible decisions in passing situations. We NEED to address this qb issue with the FIRST pick!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Why does Jabubbagump walk around with his mouth open like a retard? He is just to cumbersome to play the qb position………………the guy is a Pie Wagon……….
December 13th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
90210:
Seriously nation Grad is not the long-term answer we need someone who Grad can groom. Perhaps TEBOW,or McCoy but we do need someone now Grad is a short-term solution.
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grads is FAR from a young buck. the guy has a lot of time to learn and grow. im not betting my life savings, but i wouldnt count him out.
504:
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It sucks being a Raider fan down here with all these crazy Who Dats with 13-0 plastered everywhere. But tomorrow I will just as always sport my all black Raiders fitted with the Shield on the front, Art Shell style.
hell yeah! ill have my raiders cap on tomorrow (though it isnt easy to leave it at home when its -30F outside) with pride. f*ck the nay-sayers. those who arent proud of their team during the difficult times arent fans to begin with.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
LMAO!!!!!!
GOOD ONE FRANKYoooooooLLL!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Henderson played one of the worst halves of football I’ve ever seen. I know JR is pretty immobile but Henderson was completely abused.I assume Orakpo is now front runner for defensive rookie of the year.(by the way, I think he was drafted 2 spots behind DHB)
December 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Jamarcus Russel is by far the worst QB I have ever watched in my life.He couldn’t even be a towel boy in the NFL.Cut his ass.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Gogo I really don’t think he is the long term answer I was right on that FAT SLOTH and I feel I am right again. Don’t get me wrong he is a upgrade on what we have but he does not have the size nor he has the arm strength that is required on a consistent basis. This is why we need to address this position in the draft.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
We need Bradford or McCoy OR the great Florida natural resource of TEBOW!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
90210:
i think youre right (at least at this point). we could do better, but i think we have a QB that can perform NOW as well as develop into something better over time. i dont think we should spend a first round pick now on a QB (then we would have TWO first round picks in training?). spend it on an O or D-line (maybe someone to shore-up our run D) and spend some resources developing grads or frye (if we ever see Freye again, that is). i think Grads has a lot in him, and he is eager to prove himself. this is a good thing, and i think it should be taken advantage of. either way, all these kids are young (mind that i am only 27 years old), so they have a lot of growing up to do. we could use that to our advantage. if it extends our losing streak to 10 years, would it be worth it to develop our real QB of the decade?
December 13th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
We have decent recievers that play their butts off for a leader, Al should address the o-line in the free agency but we do need to draft a one of these young qb’s. By the way Jake Locker = Andrew Walters IMHO! If we draft a qb let it be someone else rather than this chump!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
new post………..
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December 13th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
GOgo,
All I’m saying is that we do need someone in the wing to come in and step up. Grad is a good QB but the nation deserves to have an elite QB and due to his size and lack of arm I think he will get hurt in trying to make some plays because he lacks that arm strength and quick release that premier qb’s have. I like the way Grad carries himself and his leadership abilities but honestly he is not the answer 2 or 3 years down the road.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
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December 13th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
90210:
i agree with you for now, but i also think grads MAY have what it takes. who knows, at this point. =]
though, i also think tebow is over-rated. could be another jruss, IMO. im not paid the big bucks, though. i am frequently wrong (though so is Al, so what does that make any of us?).