Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 13th, 2009 at 8:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes from the Raiders 34-13 loss to the Washington Redskins Sunday at the Coliseum:
– Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski said he had a sprained MCL and a partially torn MCL afterward and vowed to rehab in earnest to return, but with three games to play, could be done for the season.
“I’ll try to get back, do whatever I can to get healthy fast if I could,” Gradkowski said. “That’s the only thing I worry about. The thing that gets me downis the guys. The guys out there on the field.
“I felt good, I felt like we were moving the ball well, I felt like our attitudes were good. It was going to be a good game. I knew we’d find a way to win this one. It was tough.
“I actually didn’t get to see the second half, I had to come in here. But it’s just tough. It’s tough because the past couple weeks I felt us great positive attitudes and energy and then this happens. But you know stuff happens for a reason. We just have to battle back and we’ll be all right.”
Gradkowski was 10 of 18 for 153 yards and led one scoring drive in the first half. JaMarcus Russell was 10 of 16 for 74 yards. While the pass protection was spotty for Gradkowski, it was non-existent for Russell, who was dumped six times and never had a chance to be effective.
His one interception over the middle to LaRon Landry set up the touchdown that put the Redskins up 31-13, coming on the opening play of a drive following a 13-play, 80-yard Washington touchdwon march which consumed 6:01.
Russell was taken to task for saying Friday that “guys are making plays” for Gradkowski. The truth is he didn’t get nearly the support Gradkowski did in terms of protection. While players won’t admit it, there seems to be a noticeable dropoff once Russell enters the game simply because they don’t have confidence in him.
– Former Raiders coach Jon Gruden had Raiders fans fondly recalling better days or dreaming of his return to Oakland in a visit to Ricky’s in San Leandro while in the Bay Area to work as an ESPN analyst for the Cardinals-49ers game on Monday Night Football. Read about it in my Web exclusive column.
– Having been beaten up by the fans in terms of booing, Russell apparently didn’t feel like sticking around to be beaten up in question form by the media. His locker was empty by the time reporters entered following Tom Cable’s postgame press conference.
– It wasn’t exactly a vote of confidence for Russell that Cable conceded he gave some thought to playing No. 3 quarterback Charlie Frye in the second half and wanted to wait until Monday before saying who would start for Gradkowski in Denver against the Broncos.
– The Raiders offensive line, with Robert Gallery out for the season following back surgery (he had it Saturday), was no better in run blocking than it was in pass blocking. Facing a Washington defense that was ranked 21st against the run and was without tackle Albert Haynesworth, the Raiders gained 65 yards on 24 carries (27 yards per carry) with a long of 10 yards.
Mario Henderson, in particularly got worked by Washington rookie Brian Orakpo, who had four sacks.
“I don’t know man. I really can’t say. I’m going to be a man and take the blame for the ones I gave up,” Henderson said. “I’m just going to leave it at that. I just have to work on that. I’m a team player. I just have to work on things. I take full responsibility for the ones I gave up.”
Henderson’s thoughts on going forward with Russell weren’t exactly brimming with optimism.
“I don’t know what the deal is with Bruce but we’re all going to have to pick it up,” Henderson said. “If (Russell’s) the man we’re obviously going to have to pick it up because he’s back there.”
– The Raiders tied their season high with 14 penalites, and their penalty yardage of 118 was the highest since their 2005 season opener.
– The Raiders have been outscored 119-23 after victories, losing to Denver 23-3, the New York Jets 38-0, the Dallas Cowboys 24-7 and Washington. Those games followed wins over Kansas City, Philadelphia, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh.
“It’s not us. It’s not been us, and again, we had an opportunity to win a game here against the Redskins, and we did not take care of business,” Cable said. “The penalty thing just kind of falls right in line with that.”
The worst sequence came at the end of the first half when the Raiders picked up a debatable 15-yard penalty for interfering with Antwan Randle El’s ability to field a punt. Never mind that Randle El caught the punt and never called for a fair catch.
The Raiders were so angered over that call the bench, received a 15-yard penalty for unsportsman-like contact, with John Fassel and punter Shane Lechler leading the charge.
The Redskins, instead of starting at the 10, opened at the 40-yard line.
Four plays later, they were in the end zone, with Jason Campbell hitting Fred Davis over the coverage of Mike Mitchell for a 17-yard touchdown. The Redskins went into the half leading 17-10.
– Safety Michael Huff left the game in the first half with a stinger and did not return. Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha had a forearm bruise that needed to x-rayed and he returned in the fourth quarter. Tight end Zach Miller took a head-high shot from Rocky McIntosh late in the game and left with a stinger.
The blow enraged some members of the Raiders bench, rookies Mike Mitchell and Louis Murphy in particular. Mitchell continued jawing with cornerback Fred Smoot, who the Raiders felt was celebrating over the hit, and made a beeline for him when the game ended.
Players and coaches intervened.
“I was always taught you respect the game, you respect players of the game,” Murphy said. “While Miller’s was down, they were just talking trash while he was down, while he was hurt.”
Did Murphy and Mitchell lose their poise, or was it refreshing that two players who were angry and hated losing were sticking up for a teammate?
Linebacker Kirk Morrison voted for the former.
Defensive end Greg Ellis saw it both ways, feeling it was OK to be mad, but that there’s a time to back off and be a professional.
– Remember when there was room for all three running backs in a game plan?
No longer. Michael Bush had no touches for the first time this season.
“I don’t know there’s room for it right now. It’s a matter of getting in flow,” Cable said. “The plan was to come out and move Darren around so that means Darren and Justin.”
McFadden had three catches for 84 yards _ his most career yardage in a game. In the first half, one reception came on a slant pass, the other a downfield throw, both from Gradkowski, against LaRon Landry. He gained only 21 yards on eight carries, and there was no sign of the pitch play that gave the Raiders a key first-down last week agianst the Steelers.
Offensive lineman Roy Schuening was promoted to the 53-man roster but was inactive for the game. He replaced Gallery, who was put on injured reserve.
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December 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Today’s second half performance by the Raiders have officially put Al Davis on the spot. This offseason he has to choose between JaMarcus Russell and the rest of the team. They clearly went south when Russell came in. Then he gotta figure out what to do with Cable.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
It sucks being a Raider fan down here with all these crazy Who Dats with 13-0 plastered everywhere. But tomorrow I will just as always sport my all black Raiders fitted with the Shield on the front, Art Shell style.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
It sucks being a Raider fan down here with all these crazy Who Dats with 13-0 plastered everywhere. But tomorrow I will just as always sport my all black Raiders fitted with the Shield on the front, Art Shell style
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I SPORT MINE EVERYDAY HERE IN SAN DIEGO. EXACT SAME ALL BLACK 7 1/2
THERE ALL BANDWAGONERS SAME AS NEW ORLEANS.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
“I don’t know what the deal is with Bruce but we’re all going to have to pick it up,” Henderson said. “If (Russell’s) the man we’re obviously going to have to pick it up because he’s back there.”
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That says it all, folks. Russell is a BUM!
December 13th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Cable probably got a game ball from Zorn for his defensive adjustment on McFadden. After being ripped for big yardage in the passing game early, Cable completely shut McFaddenn down after that.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Frye should start.
JaWendysTripleBurger is going to be seriously hurt if Frye doesn’t start.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Tim Tebow can be had in the 3rd rnd and we should take him as long as Cable is not the coach. We should have some offensive minded coach who could run that “Dive play package.” Then we could have a pro-style, Wildcat, and Dive packages for defenses….. Man let me wake my ass up.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I hope JR never ever takes a snap for the Raiders again. He looked F#cken lost out there. A major difference between him and Grad is the pocket presence. One the drive that we went back like 500 yrds, the first sack should have never happened. Jamarcus kept dropping back in the pocket with no pressure in front of him. Its official, JR is the biggest bust ever!!!! I honestly dont think anyonne can disagree. Even his loyalist fans figured that out today!!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Russell was the victim of friendly fire.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
YES. let’s start frye. jamarcus is done.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Did you hear the collective sigh of the 18,000 in attendance–including his teammates–when Jamarcus entered the game? I feel bad for him, but he has no business being out there. Bruce might not be a sure thing, but he really didn’t do anything today that led me to think last week was a total fluke. In fact on several stalled drives he’d actually made the throw but the WR or refs took it away.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
If Frye doesn’t start, there must be an article on TMZ about how he and Bush banged one of Cable’s recent broads.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
If Frye doesn’t start there’s gonna be war. There is no FREAKEN’ way that JaBustus should start. He didn’t earn it.
I wonder what he has to say about “guys are making plays” for Gradkowski? What a punk…
December 13th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
You know, I was a Russell supporter for so long there. I hated the fact we drafted him, I saw no promise his rookie year. I saw no promise last year. But the preseason this year I really thought he was going to prove me wrong, he made some good throws and really played better than I expected. Then the Monday night game he played solid too, I really wanted to believe in the guy and I defended him at every opportunity using every excuse/reason in the book, most of which were and still are true.
But after watching Grad go 2-1, and keep us from the typical Raider let-down after a good win, I was really a supporter of Bruce. We beat the Chiefs? Let down against the Broncos. We beat the Eagles? Huge let down against the jets.
But then we beat the Bengals, and we play OK against the cowboys, that’s progress. And after a win against the Steelers we really had a good shot against the redskins, I really thought we were going to pull out that game after halftime.
But then Bruce went out, and you can see the collective breath of despair in each and every Raider player when Russell jogs into the huddle. You see the O-line working well, only to have Russell step right into the pressure, or maybe it was the lack of step OUT of the pressure.
I watched the O-Line give up on him. They said “what are we supposed to do? We’re doing our best here and this guy just doesn’t give us a break”
There’s a reason the O-Line was so consistent under Grad, he offered the O-Line some hope and let them feel that if they did their jobs, he would take care of his. And he did. And you can see they don’t have that same faith in Russell.
There was a specific play in the game that I watched, Russell had planty of time, he looked to his right, then back to his left. I really thought he was making progress. Then he proceeded to force a ball into triple coverage as it was intercepted by Laron Landry. He thinks his arm is going to fit the ball into places it’s just not going to happen. He doesn’t know how to play football, he knows how to play HIS kind of football, which doesn’t work in the NFL.
For the first time in my life im tempted to not watch the rest of the season, it just puts me in a bad mood, and frustrated me. It’s a waste of time. And it’s sad that my favorite football team has come to that.
This game was disgusting, and you know, I learned one thing from this. They better take a serious look at starting Charlie Frye.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
I agree JR got hit with some friendly fire but still. He has to show some accountability!! He was throwing his teammates under the bus during his first interview after being benched. That is some B@llsh!t. He’s lucky that guys like Ellis and Seymour are in that locker room otherwise he would have had the Sh!t kicked out of him!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
CSN interviewed Russell after the game. Here is the link for the video.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/12/13/09/FONT-COLORFF0000Exclusivefont-JaMarcus-R/landing.html?blockID=102931&feedID=2539
December 13th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Thanks for the link!
Hey Jerry! What happened? I though Russell was gone?
December 13th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
JaBustus is simply not a football player. He’s a freak size-wise who has a strong throwing ability – not accurate though. That’s ALL he has, NOTHING ELSE. He is not an NFL caliber athlete. There’s no hope for him. He should just take his $30 million, go home, buy something he knows about, Hamburger stands and let the rest of us continue looking for a franchise QB.
Start Charlie Frye next week. If not, and they start JaBustus, you can just step back and watch the team mail it in – assuming they haven’t done so already in the second half.
Jamarcus Russell has NO FUTURE with the Raiders or any other NFL entity. This league requires top level athletes and the WHALE does not qualify nor will he ever.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
The next 2 games are on the road so at least the team won’t have to face the rath of the fans.
I think it’s safe to say that some jobs are on the line if they haven’t already been lost.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
I was against Vick earlier, but without major Oline upgrades, he might be a good option to compete with Grads next year.
Henderson is just as bad as Russell, IMO with his interview today. You’ll man up and take the blame? You PERSONALLY were responsible for our starting QB being knocked out of the game and in turn letting Russell back on the field.
Wake the fugg up Mario!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
No way Jabubbagump starts next week, any qb can move this team including Frye…. .Piewagon boy is too fat to be qb, if he could move I’d say make him a tight end, but thats about it……
December 13th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Time to look seriously at available veteran FA QB’s. Certainly the WHAlE (i.e. JaBustus) will not be a serious contender for the QB position, assuming he’s even here.
Our next draft absolutely must focus on quality POWER O-linemen & a MLB. Fill all other needs (i.E. D-Line) from FA. We don’t really need any other skilled players. WE NEED MEAN POWERFUL BIG-UGLIES.
AD must have figured out by now that JaBustus is NOT THE MAN he thought he was. AD just needs how to separate himself gracefully. I know, call a press conference with an overhead projector showing a bunch of X’s & O’s showing how the WHALE was insubordinate for not following instructions and eating too many cheesburgers at practice.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
The only way Jabeanbag would thrive would be with a line that could give him a half hour to throw the ball, and thats if the wide outs dont fall asleep on the route…..
December 13th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
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December 13th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Frye > Russell.
If Russell returns as starter we lose out and Cable is toast. If he has any say whatsoever he has to go with Frye. JaBigMac is done.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
You would think Jabubbagump would at least give us a touchdown on sunday for a hamburger on tuesday……………
December 13th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Henderson played one of the worst halves of football I’ve ever seen. I know JR is pretty immobile but Henderson was completely abused.I assume Orakpo is now front runner for defensive rookie of the year.(by the way, I think he was drafted 2 spots behind DHB)
December 13th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Jason Campbell will be a FA next year.
He would win the starting job in Oakland hands down.
Campbell was 16-28, 222 yds, 2 TDs 106.5 QB Rating
He is the best option at FA QB in 2010.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
There was a specific play in the game that I watched, Russell had planty of time, he looked to his right, then back to his left. I really thought he was making progress. Then he proceeded to force a ball into triple coverage as it was intercepted by Laron Landry. He thinks his arm is going to fit the ball into places it’s just not going to happen.
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His first read was doubled and his second read was triple teamed. Miller was in the backfield blocking due to max protection. He tried to make a play instead of taking ANOTHER sack.
Miller was on the radio earlier talking about how he stays in to block on about 40% of the pass plays.
On another note, that INT was pretty much the same play they overturned on Murphy’s catch.
DAMN IT!!!!!!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Time to cut Russell this off-season. Previously, I suggested a take it or leave it contract re-do that would pay JaBigMac about $3 million plus incentives if he ever got his act together. Forget that.
Go with Gradkowski, Frye and draft Jake Locker. Let those 3 compete for the starting job.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
# Frank YoooooooLLL Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
No way Jabubbagump starts next week, any qb can move this team including Frye…. .Piewagon boy is too fat to be qb, if he could move I’d say make him a tight end, but thats about it……
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Why downgrade our TE’s? I’m assuming that JaBustus will survive the year but they should make it clear to him that unless he’s less than 250# don’t even show up for minicamp. He is his own enemy. He may have been able to get away with all his bad habits in the SEC but this is the NFL and that schit won’t fly in the pros. He’s too big & slooooow to survive in this league. A big arm means nothing when you are at the bottom of the pile. I don’t see him able to make the changes necessary for success. He is what he is. And, that’s NOT an NFL caliber starting or back-up QB.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
I agree with getting Campell. He has been in the league for a few years now and we can see that he can put up some good numbers. Not only against us but other GOOD teams in the NFL.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Time to cut Russell this off-season. Previously, I suggested a take it or leave it contract re-do that would pay JaBigMac about $3 million plus incentives if he ever got his act together. Forget that.
Go with Gradkowski, Frye and draft Jake Locker. Let those 3 compete for the starting job.
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No way Locker is there when Oakland drafts and no way Al drafts another QB in the 1st Round
December 13th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
No longer. Michael Bush had no touches for the first time this season.
“I don’t know there’s room for it right now. It’s a matter of getting in flow,” Cable said. “The plan was to come out and move Darren around so that means Darren and Justin.”
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How about a dry uniform, fresh legs and some smash mouth coming off the bench. Cable is probably under strict orders not to insert him in the game. Pathetic.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Frank YoooooooLLL Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
The only way Jabeanbag would thrive would be with a line that could give him a half hour to throw the ball, and thats if the wide outs dont fall asleep on the route…..
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I just don’t believe Al has come to his senses. He’s all in with Russell. I’ll believe AL is done with Russell the minute I see him actually get cut. I’ll simply reference the Lane Kiffin PC “GET OVER IT!” Al told us. I really think he meant that. Short of Russell getting in trouble with the law, Al’s not cutting Russell.
Totally agree that we need an Oline that can give this guy at least 5 seconds WITHOUT using max protection. We need to use our 1st and 2nd round picks on the Oline AND trade for a solid veteran.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Campbell looked good today. I don’t see how he’s the problem in Washington. If they let him walk and we keep this WCO, then he’d be a good look.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
talk about a pretty elaborate controlled experiment. having two qb’s play with the same exact guy against the same exact guys on the same field in the same game. it’s painfully obvious now the abilities of each. rather, the lack of ability by one. gradkowski may be good. he may not be good. the “jury” i guess is still out on him. give teams enough tape and time on him and then perhaps he’ll be able to demonstrate whether in fact he’s actually good enough to be a starting qb in the nfl or not. but russell? come on, he’s not just so so ok or even bad. he’s headed towards all time, historically terrible bad. it’s like the guy’s finishing up his third rookie season. the learning on the job excuse can only be used for so long. there aren’t even glimmers of hope with him any more. he’s just flat out awful.
if anything, he didn’t give us false hope with a couple junk meaningless scoring drives that would have made the over score and his over all numbers better than what they really were and make us believe he deserved another shot. well, he’ll probably get another shot, but at least we’ll know the real reasoning behind it. it certainly won’t be because he’s earned it in any sort of fashion anyway.
i doubt if any of the wide outs would shed any tears if he doesn’t make it into a game again. really, he’s going to end up getting someone hurt with how he stairs them down and lays them out with his buck shot accurate throws.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
JaMarcus will start next week because Cable doesn’t want to cross Al. However, Frye will be in at the beginning of the second quarter. Russell will get the quick hook.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
I think Al may actually give JaBigMac the hook. He did say in an interview earlier this season that “JaMarcus has to play better.” If he wanted to he could’ve put a stop to Cable making the switch to Gradkowski. That tells me he knows JaBigMac sux right now.
A major telling sign will be if Frye or JaBigMac starts next week. If it’s Frye you know Davis won’t be paying JaBigMac no $9.5 million next year. If JaBigMac starts there’s reason for concern that we’ll be saddled with this bum for another tragic season.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Chaz was double teamed on the int.according to some his first read was doubled,his second was tripled.that makes 7 dbs-i don’t think so.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
JaBigMac on renegotiating his contract:
“Oh, no. That’s a done deal. I’m not even thinking about that right now.”
Guess again you fat fuk. You’re not getting paid sh!t. Hope you didn’t blow your guaranteed $30 million on fur coats and Popeye’s chicken.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Do you think the raiders will look for a #3 qb to ride out the season, or they just finish it out with two? (pretty lame question, eh) Who knows, who cares, whats the point.
I think Grads is done for the season.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
SOME PEOPLE WILL ALWAYS BE ROOKIES.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Grads is absolutely done for the season. A sprained MCL alone probably would’ve done that. A partially torn MCL? His year is over.
Time to see what Frye can do. We already know what JaBigMac can’t do — everything!
December 13th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Lefty,
Accoring to some?
I said his first read was doubled, which you just echoed. The other cat said he threw to Chaz in triple coverage, lol!
And actually, by the time the pass got there, that guy is right it was triple coverage. The S that was doubling Murphy peeled right off into the play over the top of Chaz. By the time the ball got to Chaz, there were 3 guys around him.
Keep reaching man.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
JaMarcus will start next week because Cable doesn’t want to cross Al. However, Frye will be in at the beginning of the second quarter. Russell will get the quick hook.
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That seems likely to happen.
JaMarcus to start but with a very quick hook.
That way JaMarcus gets the starter’s reps, and Frye would only get back-up reps.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Ghost2Post Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
We are dead meat.
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That comment was posted moments after JaBigMac came on to “lead” the offense. The events that unfolded thereafter pretty much tell you that anyone in their right mind knows JaBigMac is an absolute trainwreck.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Raider75 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Time to cut Russell this off-season. Previously, I suggested a take it or leave it contract re-do that would pay JaBigMac about $3 million plus incentives if he ever got his act together. Forget that.
Go with Gradkowski, Frye and draft Jake Locker. Let those 3 compete for the starting job.
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No way Locker is there when Oakland drafts and no way Al drafts another QB in the 1st Round
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I agree with that. They won’t draft a QB until (my guess) the third round with Russell’s contract on the books.
December 13th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Lefty,
According to some, Vick and Campbell should be brought in if possible next year to compete with Grads.
Nothing to say about those comments by some?
December 13th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Hey Priest, it’s me the bigot!
Jamarcus is a flatout BUST.
I’m right you’re wrong…..PERIOD.
Suck on that!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
i’m reaching and you continue to make excuses for the guy.it isn’t his fault-his WRs don’t fight for the ball or run good routes-but they do for Grad.,the line sucks,they gave up 6 sacks-but they only gave up 2 when Grad was in the game,the play calling sucks,but was pretty damn good the last 31/2 games when Grad was QB.for someone who knows football i find it difficult to understand how you cannot see that the MAJOR problem on this team is Jamarcus Russell.when he doesn’t play the team looks good with what is preceived as a back-up QB-even with our terrible Oline and Terrible WRs.did it ever occur to you that they aren’t that terrible but look that way due to our TERRIBLE QB.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 11th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I’m was and still am a huge Russell supporter because I see what he has and it’s huge in terms of talent. Superior talent always wins 100% given the player applies himself which I know Russell is doing.
I don’t argue with guy’s about it because it’s a waste of time. The coaches are happy with what he’s doing and that IMO is worlds apart from what you think. But what you think doesn’t matter it’s the coaches and the owner……..period
December 13th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
All te p[eripheral stuuf matters not, even if it’s true the kid has some growing up to do no question but he is extremely talented and will soon take that job back on the practice field it’s happening as we speak.
So hate on, it won’t change a thing. Bigots!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Lefty,
Not sure what excuse I made THIS TIME. The guy threw it into coverage. Be it double or triple coverage, how the heck is that making an excuse for Russell? Like the poster said, Russell was trying to fit a ball into a really tight window because he felt he had the arm to do it. He was trying to make a play instead of taking a sack. It’s the 4th qtr and we were down 2 scores. I guess you’re saying he should have taken the sack instead of trying to make a play? OK I agree with you.
This is unbelievable!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
# priesttj Says:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
You are a bigot, just in denial.
You should know a lot about sucking you do it all the time.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Vick sucks-i don’t want him anywhere near my team.i also wouldn’t want Campbell-he hasn’t shown anything special yet.besides,if he continues to look like he has “IT’,why would Wash. let him go?
December 13th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I can’t believe some of you guys want Campbell.
Helloooooooo … Redskins are bad because of Campbell … just like JaMarcus only a thinner version … he can’t make reads.
And Vick ??? LOL … we don’t need another RB.
This is not a racist comment just a fact so don’t get too excited!
White RBs and Blacks QBs should NEVER been drafted in the first round in the NFL.
Yes … I know Moon, McNabb and McNair were good but they were slow to develope … heck even Moon sat his first year in the CFL.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
JR is 24, started less than 32 games ( 2 full seasons), so I’m not ready to call him a bust. Also, the team Played harder for BG. Especially the offense.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
NorthernD Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Raider75 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Time to cut Russell this off-season. Previously, I suggested a take it or leave it contract re-do that would pay JaBigMac about $3 million plus incentives if he ever got his act together. Forget that.
Go with Gradkowski, Frye and draft Jake Locker. Let those 3 compete for the starting job.
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No way Locker is there when Oakland drafts and no way Al drafts another QB in the 1st Round
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I agree with that. They won’t draft a QB until (my guess) the third round with Russell’s contract on the books.
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The whole point is that JaBigMac’s contract won’t be on the books anymore. If it’s an uncapped year it’s a no-brainer. If an owners/union agreement gets worked out and the salary cap remains in tact it could be more complicated.
Locker could be there. It’s still murky as to how the top QBs will shake out. Locker, Clausen, McCoy and Bradford are all ranked differently depending on who’s rating them. We’ll probably be picking in the top 7 again. Many of the bad teams have rookie QBs in place or still young QBs who they may stick with:
Detroit- Stafford
Tampa Bay- Freeman
Browns- Quinn?
Chiefs- Cassel?
Redskins- Campbell?
The Rams are the only team worse than us right now that looks likely to draft a QB. They may go Clausen though. I prefer Locker personally.
There are 3 other teams — Bills, Seahawks and Panthers — who are just 1 game ahead of us who would also be likely to draft a QB in the 1st round though. If we catch any of them or they decide to trade up we could lose out on Locker.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
his WRs don’t fight for the ball or run good routes-but they do for Grad.,the line sucks,they gave up 6 sacks-but they only gave up 2 when Grad was in the game,the play calling sucks,but was pretty damn good the last 31/2 games when Grad was QB
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I disagree with all of that lefty! And it has nothing to do with Russell!
Are you really telling me the WR play has been good this year? 99% of the Raider fans say DHB should never have been on the field. Murphy just last week ran a bad route at the end of the game that should have led to a game ending pick. Thank goodness there was a rookie fresh off the bench who dropped it.
Gave up 2 sacks because of Gradkowski getting rid of the ball, but he was getting hit after those throws all game. He got knocked out of the game with TWO bum legs for goodness sakes. You already admitted out line was awful so why are we even talking about this?
The play calling was NOT good for the last 3 and 1/2 games. Are you serious? You liked the Dallas game? You liked the first 58 minutes of the Cincy game? You really liked the playcalling after Washington adjusted a corner on to McFadden? Well I didn’t! Sorry!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Fire the Fat Monkey AKA Cable!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
A good system has an offense the #1 can command and the #2 can step in and take over if need be. No need to change the game plan. The #3 is a weaker version of 1 & 2. And not a blocking scheme for one and then another one. It has to be designed for the entire offensive unit. The Raiders do not have this. One playbook for ones skills and another for anothers. Another dysfunctional componenet in the system.
As coaches in the collegiate baseball game, we like to say we’ll compete with who we put in the line-up. Granted it is a lot easier to manage 28 players compared to 53 + practice squad, units etc., but a fukin game plan is a fukin game plan! It fits the team and the team concept. Guys just can’t come off the bench to their own system. It takes the entire team, and then some. It just doesn’t work!
A game plan designed around the starter today, and then the china syndrome in the 2nd half. What are we really seeing here?
December 13th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Raider O Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
JR is 24, started less than 32 games ( 2 full seasons), so I’m not ready to call him a bust. Also, the team Played harder for BG. Especially the offense.
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JaBigMac is a bust. I supported him for a long time but those days are long gone. Some of you guys are just delusional. Step into the real world.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Vick sucks-i don’t want him anywhere near my team.i also wouldn’t want Campbell-he hasn’t shown anything special yet.besides,if he continues to look like he has “IT’,why would Wash. let him go?
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Just trying to think of someone, anyone with mobility. I didn’t want Vick at all prior to the Grads injury, and I probably still don’t. But I don’t think a traditional pocket passer type can hold up with our Oline. I don’t even know that Frye will be able to hold up any better. I think the one thing Grads brought was that Jeff Garcia scrambling thing. I don’t recall Frye being mobile. I could be wrong.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
you are correct Jhill,he was trying to make a play instead of taking a sack.too bad he tried to make the play about 3 seconds too late.
sorry,but i am to the point that i really can’t stand the guy.i see no hope in him.we could go to half the colleges in this country and grab their QB and be better off.plus,i find it difficult to evaluate others due to his incompetence.you like to point out our deficiencies while i have a hard time pin pointing them due to Russell.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Chris,
I think we need to fix the Oline first, then maybe go after a QB the following year when there is a salary cap. Bring in another guy to push #5, but #5 should be the starter going into next year.
Of course that’s all predicated on Cable coming back. This is all moot if Cable is fired.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
O,
He is a bust. 32 games or 320 games, it doesn’t matter.
This is his third year–THIRD.
He will not succeed and the team knows it.
He is an open mouthed, drooling, paste eater, that happens to have a howitzer attached to his right shoulder.
Today was the final evidence for him being a bust. The team gave up on him and he gave up on the team.
He is not an NFL QB.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Locker has all but committed to his Senior year. He also has a Angels Baseball contract. Seattle would probably go after Locker (he may opt to play if Seattle chooses him) because he is a Washington guy. He and his large family (relatives and all) are about 90 minutes North of Seahawk Stadium.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
One thing Jerry forgets is that by the time JaBigMac eases into his extremely lethargic drop the receivers are already into their breaks and the d-line is punching holes in the pocket. JaBigMac plays the game at walk-through practice speed.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
islandraider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Locker has all but committed to his Senior year. He also has a Angels Baseball contract. Seattle would probably go after Locker (he may opt to play if Seattle chooses him) because he is a Washington guy. He and his large family (relatives and all) are about 90 minutes North of Seahawk Stadium.
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I don’t know about all that or whether Locker would prefer to play baseball or football. If he wants to play football he’d be extremely wise to come out this year since a rookie salary cap is expected to be in place by the 2011 draft.
As of right now we have a worse record than the Seahags so unless they trade up to get Locker it doesn’t really matter.
That guy has “it” and we’d be foolish to pass on him if he’s available. If not, we need to go best player available in Round 1 but also definitely need to address o-line early and often.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
but i am to the point that i really can’t stand the guy.i see no hope in him.
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That’s all fine and dandy, but you and I both know that it doesn’t matter what we think. We need to figure out when AL DAVIS gets to that point.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
If you ever wanted to see how a QB would play after smoking two joints watch JaBustus.
Everything is sloooow, poor decision making, and will tell anybody that listens how he plays better when he is stoned, but nobody makes plays for him.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Why is it that Al has certain prototypical physical requirements for offensive players but that many of the greatest Raider players are the exact opposite of that mold. I’m talking Stabler, Gannon, Biletnikoff. Just look at the TE position. Christensen and Miller aren’t explosive specimens at TE like Ricky Dudley, but those two are infinitely better. Why is that?
December 13th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
yes,i was ok with the play calling,but i don’t play Madden so i’m not a wannabe OCthe play calling was stymied due to having a QB who didn’t know his play book and didn’t have the ability to change plays.the WRs have been terrible a large part because of the person we have had playing QB-that and we threw 2 rookies out there due to the injury to Chaz and the hit JLH took early in the season.i don’t believe they would have looked so bad if we had had an NFL caliber QB.we always knew we didn’t have a lot of depth on the Oline and today Gallery’s absence showed that,but they haven’t been as horrible as you say the whole season,plus they looked worse due to the terrible play of the QB.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
C in NY
I just can’t see Locker coming to Oakland. It would be nice, but he has too many other options. The pressure for him to resurrect this team may be something he would not want. At least in Seattle he would have the support of his hometown status.
I would think Locker likes football more than baseball, and maybe thats why he wants his senior year. But you’re right, it would be wise for him to come out in this years draft, tho seeing what the draft order is may influence him too.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
What up NATION??? Hope you guys are doing well.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Why is it that Al has certain prototypical physical requirements for offensive players but that many of the greatest Raider players are the exact opposite of that mold. I’m talking Stabler, Gannon, Biletnikoff. Just look at the TE position. Christensen and Miller aren’t explosive specimens at TE like Ricky Dudley, but those two are infinitely better. Why is that?—————————————————–
It’s defense too. The man loves HWS guys. When you luck out and get one who is a real football player its awesome (Bo Jackson). But usually you get a Dud-ley.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
I would stay away from QB’s n the first 5 rounds of the 2010 NFL draft, and select Linemen and Linebackers.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Chris in NY,
I understand Detroit wants to go a different than years past, and will now draft a first round QB three years in a row. So Locker may be gone before the Raiders get the chance to draft him.
As for JaMarcus being dumped just because of a no cap year, I wouldn’t be so sure about that. Don’t forget it’s Al running the show, and he can be very stubborn when he thinks he’s right.
If he thinks Russell still has an upside, then he’ll still be on the roster, no matter what any one thinks.
Besides, he’s stolen former # 1 QB’s off other rosters, and I don’t think he wants it to happen to him.
Part of the reason for going to Grads may have been to give Russell a break, write off the year and get him ready for next.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
– Remember when there was room for all three running backs in a game plan?
No longer. Michael Bush had no touches for the first time this season.
“I don’t know there’s room for it right now. It’s a matter of getting in flow,” Cable said. “The plan was to come out and move Darren around so that means Darren and Justin.”
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Fire Cable! This guy is the WORST coach I have ever seen. Bring back Shell over this rank fool of a coach.
He falls in love with Fargas who doesn’t get any yards rushing, gets penalties for spiking the ball and fumbles too. Oh, but he’s such a trooper.
Put Fargas on the trade block and I guarantee you there are few if any takers.
Start Bush full-time and fire this most incompetent coach!
December 13th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Cable does need to pass the playbook to someone else. MBUSH not playing is ridiculous IMHO…
December 13th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
On second thought we may need a new QB, to go along with the new HC, DCO, and OCO. To Mr. Davis wont fire himself in the process…
December 13th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
from what has been reported and what his HC says,Locker is returning for his senior year.the good news is the old man will probably stick with Russell next year so we should have a good shot at just about whoever we want in the 2011 draft-oh,wait,we don’t have a 1st that year.that will guarantee Locker will stay for his senior year.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
– Remember when there was room for all three running backs in a game plan?
No longer. Michael Bush had no touches for the first time this season.
“I don’t know there’s room for it right now. It’s a matter of getting in flow,” Cable said. “The plan was to come out and move Darren around so that means Darren and Justin.”
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Fire Cable! This guy is the WORST coach I have ever seen. Bring back Shell over this rank fool of a coach.
He falls in love with Fargas who doesn’t get any yards rushing, gets penalties for spiking the ball and fumbles too. Oh, but he’s such a trooper.
Put Fargas on the trade block and I guarantee you there are few if any takers.
Start Bush full-time and fire this most incompetent coach!
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Cable is always going on about how “violent” Fargas is when he runs. He likes the big collisions.
Bush just glances the defenders and runs by them for seven yards.
Cable’s got real violence issues.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
raideralex99 Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I can’t believe some of you guys want Campbell.
Helloooooooo … Redskins are bad because of Campbell … just like JaMarcus only a thinner version … he can’t make reads.
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Washington sucks because of Campbell? LOL!
They had Quinton Ganther(WHO???) starting at RB today and Moss is the only WR you can name.
Campbell’s QB ratings are 76, 77, 84, and 87(through 14 games). He has gotten better every year in the league.
Last year was his FIRST 16 game season and he threw for 3200 yards, 13 TDs and 6 INTs.
This season he is on pace for another 3000 yard season and could reach the 20 TD mark.
He has had multiple HCs and OCs, yet has progressed each year unlike the garbage we have in Oakland.
Last week against New Orleans he threw for 367 yards and 3 TDs – 111 QB rating
This week he threw for 222 yards and 2 TDS
Jason Campbell would flourish with the young talent in Oakland.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
STL,
I respect your opinion bro, and I understand it very well. I’ll give him 1 more season to show if he improves. He needs help, and he was right about the offense not making plays for him.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Bush won’t be here next year.
AD doesn’t want to risk losing his trade value, hence he’s not playing.
Just a guess, but makes sense from AD’s point of view.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
MBUSH should be on the field as a starter. We did not need DMAC, as we had fargas. We got bush for a song. Was a god pick up but not used properly. He will shine on a more “organized” team.
December 13th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
It’s hard to make plays for him because he is usually on his back or fumbling.
You have the right to your opinion, of course. This isn’t life or death.
I am just beyond frustrated right now. I was at the game and it is just so obvious to me that he is never going to “get it”.
To top it all off, tomorrow is Monday! Back to work, goodnight.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
If I was locker I would come out this year. 2011 we may see the ” rookie salary cap” in place. Next year has the potential of being the last year exorbent, rookie contracts.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
“It made a big difference because we knew JaMarcus was a pocket guy,” said Orakpo, who had four sacks. “He wasn’t a running threat. So I was able to let loose with all kinds of moves to get to him.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/13/SPSB1B3O1B.DTL#ixzz0ZdwSkPLO
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O-line may or may not be at fault, just give the Redskins some credit. When they saw who was out there 2nd half, they just put a little hot mustard on their new d-plan.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
JCAMBELL > BRL, frye, and Grad
BRL, should be our 5th sring QB
Raiders QB depth chart:
Grad
Frye
DMAC
MBUSH
BRL
December 13th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
watching the Raider post game rebroadcast on CSNCA and the first thing Romanowski and Bruno said was we knew the game was over as soon as Russell entered the game.Romo says it is amazing how 1 guy can sap everything out of a team the way Russell does-Off.,Def.,ST.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
watching the Raider post game rebroadcast on CSNCA and the first thing Romanowski and Bruno said was we knew the game was over as soon as Russell entered the game.Romo says it is amazing how 1 guy can sap everything out of a team the way Russell does-Off.,Def.,ST.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
watching the Raider post game rebroadcast on CSNCA and the first thing Romanowski and Bruno said was we knew the game was over as soon as Russell entered the game.Romo says it is amazing how 1 guy can sap everything out of a team the way Russell does-Off.,Def.,ST.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Raider O Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
STL,
I respect your opinion bro, and I understand it very well. I’ll give him 1 more season to show if he improves. He needs help, and he was right about the offense not making plays for him.
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Disagree.
Miller dropped a wide open pass for Gradkowski but he came right back from it.
JaMarcus threw bad passes, inaccurate.
He almost got JLH killed on a slant.
He ran out of the pocket and into the path of Orakpo on two occasions.
JR must be telegraphing his passes because the Redskin D rally hammered the receivers when they caught the ball. As if they knew what was coming.
P Manning is slower than JaMarcus but is always among the league leaders in fewest sacks, every year.
JR is also responsible for calling out protections, so not all the blame goes to the O-line. Especially when he runs outside of the pocket. Or can’t get rid of the ball quickly to the proper receiver.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Quite honestly I am tired of the Fargas advocacy.
Where are the 100 yard games? All I hear is how violent he runs….yet all I see is a bunch of 60yard rushing games.
I might just move him a long too in the offseason. He’s getting a nice paycheck too.
Cable is the worst coach in the NFL. Its not even close. The way he ran that stupid summer camp, heis management of the roster etc…..
Fire Cable! Fire Cable! Fire Cable!
So here is my cut list at the end of the year…or sooner
Russell
Fargas
DHB
Green
Carlisle
Kelly
Warren
Huff
McFadden
Let’s get new players
December 13th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams,
Keep Fargas. He’s cheap, and makes a nice practice, 3rd RB. Just don’t play except for blowouts and emergencies. He’s a high energy back-up.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Here is some info on Campbell from a PFT Article…
“The Redskins improved to 4-9, the same record Oakland owns, with the help of another solid game from Jason Campbell. We made light of the move to Sherman Lewis as playcaller earlier this season, but Campbell’s play has undeniably improved late in the season.
Campbell has five touchdowns to only one interception the last two weeks, and Washingon’s offense is going vertical again. Campbell completed four passes over 25 yards Sunday.
Campbell is putting together some nice tape for interested teams if the Redskins don’t want to keep him in 2010. In the meantime, he could go a long way towards deciding the NFC East title.”
December 13th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Davis cements his legacy as the worst owner in pro-sports. Drafted the worst QB ever
December 13th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Here is some info on Campbell from a PFT Article…
“The Redskins improved to 4-9, the same record Oakland owns, with the help of another solid game from Jason Campbell. We made light of the move to Sherman Lewis as playcaller earlier this season, but Campbell’s play has undeniably improved late in the season.
Campbell has five touchdowns to only one interception the last two weeks, and Washingon’s offense is going vertical again. Campbell completed four passes over 25 yards Sunday.
Campbell is putting together some nice tape for interested teams if the Redskins don’t want to keep him in 2010. In the meantime, he could go a long way towards deciding the NFC East title.”
December 13th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
I read where Cable may be done because he couldn’t motivate his team for today. Maybe so or maybe not so. Look at his distractions this week: Al poking Hanson at him, the russell interview, and then the 2nd half. Man, that is some tough luck!
December 13th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Fargas reminds me of Harvey Williams, but with a little more punch. Didn’t Al really love Harvey Williams? He must have, to have kept him playing as much as he did.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Raider O Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
STL,
I respect your opinion bro, and I understand it very well. I’ll give him 1 more season to show if he improves. He needs help, and he was right about the offense not making plays for him.
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Get f-ing real dude. JaBigMac is complete garbage. The guy is a disaster.
The two games he won were extremely lucky. The first one vs. KC, the Chefs blew a ton of chances and our D held on long enough for a single TD drive against one of the worst defenses in the NFL to steal a win in a game in which we were outgained by better than 2 to 1. In the Philly game Akers blew a few FGs and JaBigMac’s numbers would have been their typical garbage self with 0 TD drives and a sub-150 yard day if not for a great 85-yard catch and run by our TE.
It really is not the fault of the players around him not making plays. The guy drops back at a snail-like pace, stares down a single receiver the whole time and fails to pull the trigger on a pass longer than 2 yards. But typically he’s sacked before said 2-yard pass attempt. Some deep-threat QB.
No, the offense around JaBigMac is not some juggernaut. It needs a lot of work. But it’s at least competent when JaBigMac is on the sideline. When he’s under center it’s a bumbling, embarrasing mess. There’s no denying that.
December 13th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
WOW!
How awesome was it to hear our old general Jon Gruden made a visit to Rickeys sports bar this morning!
Awesome….
The old man needs to wake the hell up and give Gruden what he wants to get this franchise and team turned around and respectable and competitive again. Let him bring back Bruce Allen also. The fans of the Raider Nation want it and they know he is exactly what this “organization” and team needs……but the stubborn old looney man Al doesn’t see that??
Is Al and his crap lapdog advisors stupid or something?? Oh…wait…they just want to keep their jobs. Pathetic…
Then the predictable happened today, the Raiders come out flat after a big upset win. They can’t win two in a row to save their lives. A Jon Gruden led team would never let that happen! Never!
More proof that Russell has a long ways to go and has a uphill battle to turn his career around.
Al Davis will make another stupid move next year when he will decide to pay Russell that 9.5 million he is owed instead of restructuring down his contract or cutting him. Watch….Al Davis is that delusional and dumb right now fellas to pay Russell 9.5 million next year for doing NOTHING!
December 13th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Two superb articles on the IBA Raiders home page right now.
– “Gary Peterson: Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell seizing the day the wrong way”
and
– “McDonald: Forget loss to Redskins, Gruden’s visit gives Raiders fans a chance to dream”
Do yourself a favor and check them out.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:02 am
I’ve been saying it all year: Gruden wants back into Raider Nation. There’s not a doubt in my mind. He’s been nothing but complimentary about Al Davis and the Raiders on TV. Even nostalgic at times. He has been sending smoke signals all season that he wants to return and help resurrect the Raiders once again.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:02 am
The Raiders should NOT draft another QB early until the rookie salary cap is in place.
They should trade for a vet Vick or Kevin Kolb and have them compete against Gradkowski for the starting QB position. Jon Gruden should be hired as Head Coach again and he will work wonders with Vick, Kolb or Gradkowski.
While Russell and Davis restructure down Russells’ fat undeserved contract and Russell works on getting rid of the fat on his body before he competes for anything IMO.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Frye > JaBigMac
I’ll be deeply disappointed if we trot the Bustmaster out there to get this team slaughtered by the hated Donkeys next week. I sense that Cable would rather go with Frye as well but he has to get clearance first.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:07 am
# Chris in NY Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:02 am
I’ve been saying it all year: Gruden wants back into Raider Nation. There’s not a doubt in my mind. He’s been nothing but complimentary about Al Davis and the Raiders on TV. Even nostalgic at times. He has been sending smoke signals all season that he wants to return and help resurrect the Raiders once again.
^^^^^^^^^^
Seriously, the next move the Raider Nation needs to do after getting the HIRE A GM sign up…..is to flood the Raiders headquarters phone lines telling the old stubborn looney emperor old man Al to FREAKIN HIRE JON GRUDEN back as Head Coach.
It will exorcise all the demons and make up for the mistake the old man Al made when he traded Gruden.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:20 am
If the old man TRULY gave a rats a$$ about winning, then he would listen to the fans of the Raider Nation and hire JON GRUDEN as head coach!!
But he doesn’t care about winning and he doesn’t care about what the fans of the Raider Nation say.
Nice owner huh fellas?? What a joke….
December 14th, 2009 at 12:22 am
the ONLY thing that make the raiders’ head coaching position even remotely attractive is the small chance of being able to say “i revived the raiders.” that is exactly why we’ll NEVER get a “great” head coach; the grudens, billicks, and cowhers won’t even consider working for al, and i don’t blame them. speking of chucky, i have a better chance of getting the job than jon gruden does. i love gruden, but that bridge is burned, not by gruden, but by everyone’s favorite managing general partner. al’s already admitted he was wrong about art shell; he surely wouldn’t do it again.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:35 am
thusly ends the Gradkowski era. with a whimper. Grads, we hardly knew ya. the N(ot)F(or)L(ong) reared its ugly head.
so, McFadden takes Bush’s carries, the run game is therefore lousy and this is supposed to be a good thing?
Super Mario’s no confidence vote could reflect the ushering in of the Frye era. WooHoo! Another QB name to be added to the dustbin list of Raider history.
crapola with a lower case “c” because t’aint aught we’all ain’t seed befo.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:41 am
I’ll throw some gas on the Gruden fire…
He signed a long term deal with MNF, but they way they phrased it, it sounded like he had an out clause if a certain HC position were available.
Dare to dream…
December 14th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Al is going to trade MNF for Gruden.
In exchange, MNF gets JaMarcus Russell for the broadcast booth next season…
December 14th, 2009 at 12:54 am
What’s w/ all this get Locker crap?!? Stick w/ Grads next year and draft OT Russell Okung in the first and OLB Jerry Hughes or DE Carlos Dunlap in the Second.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:02 am
After a pretty good game last week, a dud at home once again. Oy vey!
You can sense old man Davis is wising up about J Russell. I would’ve never imagined him getting benched for the rest of the season, and now that he continues to stink up the joint I just think it’s a matter of time. They’ll be no patience w/ that pup.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:11 am
No matter how good Gradkowski does, Al will find a way to get rid of him. For all we know, Gradkowski isn’t even hurt and Al is just forcing him to sit.
“could be done for the season”.
LOL. Call it done.
Gradkowski is not Al’s guy, and Al cares about as much about winning as he did giving Gruden a real contract. Al cares about doing things his way, winning his way. And he wants to win a SB with that vertical game before he goes.
AlisGod said earlier that he might “take a year off” next year if Al sticks with JaMarcus. I love how it takes an awful black quarterback getting the scholarship tag to finally push Al’s worshipers over the edge.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:14 am
Culebra Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:02 am
You can sense old man Davis is wising up about J Russell
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Sure, which is why Russell subbed for Gradkowski today, and was given a high number of passing plays when we still could have ran the ball. Al jizzed in his jumpsuit when Gradkowski went down, because he would get to see his prodigy get another crack at it.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:16 am
NorthernD Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:41 am
I’ll throw some gas on the Gruden fire…
He signed a long term deal with MNF, but they way they phrased it, it sounded like he had an out clause if a certain HC position were available.
Dare to dream…
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yeah, the Dallas Cowboys
December 14th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Gruden’s only coming here if he gets control guaranteed in writing. Use your heads, gentlemen. It’s fun to dream, but it just hurts in the long run if it’s not realistic.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:19 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Gruden’s only coming here if he gets control guaranteed in writing. Use your heads, gentlemen. It’s fun to dream, but it just hurts in the long run if it’s not realistic.
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correction: gruden is NEVER coming back. art shell has a better shot at getting a third shot as coach.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:20 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:02 am
I’ve been saying it all year: Gruden wants back into Raider Nation. There’s not a doubt in my mind. He’s been nothing but complimentary about Al Davis and the Raiders on TV. Even nostalgic at times. He has been sending smoke signals all season that he wants to return and help resurrect the Raiders once again.
…………….
Do you honestly believe he’s going to demand anything less than what he demanded in ‘01? Why do you guys think Gruden’s an idiot?
December 14th, 2009 at 1:49 am
Gruden always visits Rickey’s when he’s in the bay. He’s doing the Niner game tomorrow night. That guy Rickey, his wife, evidently, has a huge crush on Gruden, and Gruden still has his parking space there. Always drops in to say hello. Did he drop by the stadium to visit Al? No. Know why? Because shyt’s still weird between those two. It’s not cool, and probably never will be. Gruden’s no idiot and he’s not coming here for anything less than a top tier contract and complete control.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Check out Gary Peterson’s article on the home page:
“Raiders Quarterback Jamarcus Seizing the Day the Wron Way.”
It’s on the home page of Insidebayarea.com/raiders
and is RIGHT on the money.
Should be required reading for Al.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:37 am
That billboard should be required reading for Al.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:07 am
What a rotten game.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:09 am
It’s not Russell it’s because “guys are making plays” for Gradowski.
Contrast what Russell says with how Henderson accepts responsibility.
Who can blame Henderson and the OL anyway?
As I said yesterday how the hell are they going to protect an elephant walking backwards.
The guy is so slow moving back in that pocket, so slow making a decision, so slow moving around in that pocket that there’s time for next week’s opponent to sack him as well.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:14 am
The play that got Gradowski injured was also an example of something Russell doesn’t have the presence of mind to do-that underhand pass to Fargas as Bruce’s going down.
Russell continues to put receivers in danger of getting the crp knocked out of them with those passes he throws.
In this game Miller and JLH were especially set up as easy targets for a career-ending hit by Russell.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:16 am
Russell should be fired “for cause”.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 4:26 am
Grads had 153 yards in 1st half….well on his way to a 3 or 400 yard game.Russell steps in and the team stepped out.
I saw the video on #2 at the end of the game….it’s 2 bad he didnt put in the time the NFL requires its players 2 put in.I mean all the time real players must put in 2B at the top of their game.
You can see he’s a bright kid,also he seems like he could be anyone’s friend.I always got that impression from him,hes VERY LIKE-ABLE.
Good Natured,I believe….
But man this aint college.You got grown men who care about the history of the game and their place in this dream-life we call the NFL.
WOOOOOW THE NFL!!!!
This NFL MUST be shown RESPECT 4 all that came B4 and all those that are still to come.
You must practice as hard,if not harder than your teammates.Show the GAME the LOVE and RESPECT it DESERVES,imo….
Like I said #2 is a good natured like-able guy with a big-arm.
But he has not shown the GAME or his Teammates the Love and Respect they both DESERVE
So he dont get any BACK
I know I said yesterday that I hope he never wears a Raider Uniform again,but I also understand underneath that Uniform is a real person,a good natured person so I just cant turn my back on him like he did 2 the Nation and his Team.
I PRAY he dedicates himself this off season and comes back with a vengeance.I also love Gradkowski and everything he stands 4.Qualities I HOPE Russell finds this off-season.
Beauty is as Beauty does,imo.But my opinion dont count here but Russells Teammates opinion’s DO.I think he lost the team and it looks like they dont want anything 2 do with him.Cant blame them
As 1 of the GREATEST Bands of all time have said
It’s a Ball of Confusion
December 14th, 2009 at 4:29 am
thats what this team is today Hey-Hey
December 14th, 2009 at 5:19 am
I would love to be a fly on the wall of the first practice this week.
All the players gathered around wondering who is going to take the first snap with the starters.
Like a bunch of kids running to the tree on Christmas morning. Picking up the presents, shaking them, trying to figure out which one holds the GI Joe action set. Then after they get to open them, they realize it’s only socks and underwear. Used.
JaMarcus starts the game…
December 14th, 2009 at 5:20 am
BAAA-HUMMMMMMMM-BUGGGGGGGGGGGGG LOL
December 14th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Maybe the last home games will sell out come out get you’re last chance to boy Skittles Pants or my new name for him Stuck in the Mud Russell. Their goes ol Stuck in the Mud getting sacked again! Another 3 and out for Stuck in the Mud! Only 10 mill for another year of Stuck in the Mud!
December 14th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Ol Stuck in the Mud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
unfortunately that name REALLY sums it up,imo =)
December 14th, 2009 at 5:27 am
Ol Stuck in the Mud!
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I read that name and I picture a donkey.
Very appropriate.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:43 am
When I saw JaMarcus at QB I knew the game was over. I have zero confidence in JaMarcus right now, the same players seem to have. I think we were going to win until I saw Russell. He needs too many time to throw the football.
The referees are not the reason we lose, but they were awful:
- Hiram Eugene penalty was a complete joke, he didn’t touch the player until he had the ball (the play costed us big, 15 yards plus unsportsman conduct penalty, another 15 yards)
- The Schilens non-catch was actually a catch, he had all his back in the grass.
- Stanford Routt PI was a joke, the WR fell to the ground because of wet grass.
- The 28 yards catch ruled incomplete to Murphy was very similir to the Landry pick.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Sign Jason Cambell
December 14th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
El Tato…I’ll have to agree with all of those ref calls…
That (almost) bench clearing incident was the most passion I have seen come out of the Raider sideline. You’re right, the zebras did not totally cost us the game, but it did contribute to it! Did anyone see the interview with Tim Donaghay (SP?)? He said that he WAS NOT the only one…Hmmmmm….
December 14th, 2009 at 5:59 am
I don’t think Grads is Gannon but at least the O was competing you weren’t shocked to see 1 downs and drives that end up as TD even the play he was hurt on he made a crazy pass to Fargas for yrds, I do like the play of Scott and Shaugnessy at least its something.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:10 am
BTW: Correct me if I’m wrong…
Didn’t Landry run over our receiver to int the ball?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:15 am
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December 14th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Down Goes Gradkowski
Down Goes Gradkowski
Down Goes Gradkowski
(in my best Howard Cossell lol)
December 14th, 2009 at 6:27 am
We will all see what we will be missing in Bruce.
For everyone who called him a journeyman, garbagekowski, and not an NFL starter, you will see what all that is with Frye.
He is what a journeyman, career backup will look like. He MIGHT be slightly better than Jamarcus. Bruce was way better.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:29 am
But hey…Frye did beat us twice…while with Cleveland! At the coliseum…
December 14th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Most of us already know Vegas =)
December 14th, 2009 at 6:34 am
What up NATION???????
BRL is a fat bum, and should be cut, then run out of town…
December 14th, 2009 at 6:34 am
At 26 Bruce is coming into his own,imo.He will be back and he will even be better,imo
The season is basically over,I cant believe they are going 2 let Russell put his teammates in harms way.He gonna get somebody killed
Let Bruce rehab till next camp and dont let Russell throw the ball
December 14th, 2009 at 6:34 am
4eva, what up Bruh? How is the FF league going?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Right, dont let the fat bum in the game, let him sit and rot.
Raiders QB Depth Chart;
1. Frye
2. Grad
3. Dmac
4. MBush
5. Jruss <——AKA BRL, AKA Black Ryan Leaf…
Bust extroidinaire…
December 14th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I never felt this way B4.If we wasnt making the play-offs then I relish the idea of being the spoiler,knocking other teams out of the playoffs.
Not now….Just play the guys who dont start,no sense any starters getting injured….
Bench
JLH
Fargas
Dmac
Murphy
Watkins
Henderson
Morris
Zach
*******
All D starters,imo
December 14th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Jcamp wont be leaving Wash, as he is not the reason for the troubles. He has a good QB game.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Thec….
Oh No I suck Again….I am out of it
LA LA LA LOSER LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I would say Gradkowski is WAAAAAAY better than Jcamp
December 14th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Improve MBUSH trade value, since we dnt use him. Watch him go to a real football franchise and shine.
Cable is a ridiculous play caller…
December 14th, 2009 at 6:43 am
again its that % thing 2me
December 14th, 2009 at 6:44 am
4eva, what up with El dirtbag? Havent seen him around here much…
Sorry to hear your out of it, Jruss must be your starting QB, and for that you have my sympathy…
December 14th, 2009 at 6:45 am
You would think that about Bush,Thec….I sure did,untill; he has duribility issues,imo
drops the rock even to they all do Bush does every game he is in,at least it seems that way.
But I agree trade him now get what we can and have a nice day Mr. Bush =)
December 14th, 2009 at 6:46 am
4eva, I agree Bro, Grad is a pleasant suprise…
I would rather see lechler behind center, or in the gun that BRL…. I csant stand him or his stupid beenie. I wont even eat skittles because of the dimwit…
December 14th, 2009 at 6:48 am
I dont know whats up with El-Dirty The 408 would know but he hasnt been answering his IM
December 14th, 2009 at 6:48 am
$eva, the reason why I would trade him is we dont use him. We Should have been using him when he was ready to play. Between kiffin, and cable not sure who is the stupidest. to kiffins credit he did not want Jruss…
December 14th, 2009 at 6:49 am
OOOOH sounds like you got it BAD my BROTHER Thec lmao!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Thec….some poster on here named Russell
Lil Skittle Pantzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmao!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 6:52 am
4Eva, I missed the game, for cause… I know the answer but what did BRL look like when he came in the game. I was listening to it we were down 17-13 going into the fourth, what the hell happened?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:53 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Thec….some poster on here named Russell
Lil Skittle Pantzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmao!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
ROFLMAO….
December 14th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Thec the camera went straight to the huddles eyes when Russell
MAN BROTHER AS YOU KNOW THE EYES SAY IT ALL
JUST THE LOOK IN SUPER MARIOS EYES TOLD THE WHOLE STORY
Yep Mario manned up and said he needs 2 do better….but you can see he thinks its hopeless with Russell
Russell lost this team and it shows
I stated yesterday….How can anyone do what Russell has done????
December 14th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Thec this is how I felt yesterday
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4evaRaider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 13th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Russell deserves ALL ACCOUNTABILITY IN THIS….
He has thumbed his nose at not only Al Davis but the entire NFL establishment
Who in the NFL goes 2 work in a Rolls Royce????
Who comes into camp waaay out of shape and has no respect 4 the game,or his teammates
Who is TOTALLY LOST OUT THERE
Who never cared 2 even know 1 play of the Storied Franchise that is The Oakland Raiders
JaMarcus Russell I hope you NEVER wear an Oakland Raider Uniform EVER AGAIN
Oh and fcuk you 2 azzhole
December 14th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Yep Ol Norco Bob was right on a LOT OF THINGS
December 14th, 2009 at 7:09 am
he just dont respect it like the rest of us would
December 14th, 2009 at 7:10 am
EXACTLY like
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
December 14th, 2009 at 7:11 am
4eva,
How was mario before BRL came into the game. I would imagine the D mailed it in too. If thats the case sit BRL, and play the wildcat with DMAC and MBUSH. Keep BRL off the field before he gets someone killed…
December 14th, 2009 at 7:12 am
I will bet the rest of the team was like, F@CK this, lets hurry this debacle along, we wont be winning this game…
December 14th, 2009 at 7:17 am
I said after week 1 Russell lost his team. I said they quit on him in week 2. Russell is a MORALE buster.
Glad to see you guys are catching up 12 weeks later..
December 14th, 2009 at 7:22 am
I think Grads got sacked 1 time but the Redskins are smart….They used the exact strategy the Cowboys did.They applied pressure which closed up the running lanes but really opened it up 4 Dmac.Man what a weapon Dmac is gonna be with Grads,man this is gonna be sweet.And for all that say Cable blah bla blah,he put Dmac as a WR,in the slot,and we used 2 call it the 24 B Fly….RB going LONGGGGGGGGG!!!!! and Grads just missed him.Those will come,imo.Also the pass that was rule incomplete to Murphy….it was thrown JUST a LITTLE behind the DB to where Murphy had to twist back around the DB and streched out his hand like 3 inches above the field and caught it all the while running at break neck speed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!We have LOTS 2 look forward 2 imo
December 14th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Gradkowski is DEADLY ACCURATE,imo
December 14th, 2009 at 7:26 am
MistaBrown been right on a LOT of things this year
December 14th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Gradkowski is deadly accurate.
And then there’s this….
The last three years Gruden coached in Oakland, his teams didn’t lose a single regular season game by more than nine points, let alone 21.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:28 am
thats pretty impressive Kirk
December 14th, 2009 at 7:32 am
[...] Bruce Gradkowski likely shelved for the rest of 2009 after spraining and partially tearing his MCL in the Raiders’ Week 14 loss to the Redskins, it could be do or die for former first overall pick [...]
December 14th, 2009 at 7:37 am
I am so NOT looking forward to the last 3 weeks! Oh well…
December 14th, 2009 at 7:39 am
you still gonna go 2 da games Hwnrdr???
December 14th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Cable will get it Thec,imo.Its really only his 1st full year.He got that hard nosed attitude I like so much,imo
December 14th, 2009 at 7:45 am
[...] Bruce Gradkowski likely shelved for the rest of 2009 after spraining and partially tearing his MCL in the Raiders’ Week 14 loss to the Redskins, it could be do or die for former first overall pick [...]
December 14th, 2009 at 7:47 am
it will be a SLOW PAIN-FULL DEATH
December 14th, 2009 at 7:48 am
4eva…Yeah…still going to the home finale vs Baltimore! I’ll see about renewing next year!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Can anyone tell me why both Nick Miller & Javon Walker took up roster spots, but have yet to make it on the field? I know Miller has been hurt and Al is punishing Walker, but those spots could have been used by true punt & kick returnerns. We have gotten virtually nothing out of the return game other than yesterdays decent one and Holland against SD.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Walker has made the field, just did not impress Cable…JLH looked like he’s gaining his confidence back…maybe!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:55 am
THATS GREAT!!!!!!!! HWNRDR….I would 2 if I was there.Next year we always say but next year we got Gradkowski coming back after a whole off-season and camp and OTA’s
December 14th, 2009 at 7:59 am
If Cable doesn’t start Fry on Sunday, he is an idiot.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:07 am
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December 14th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Cable has 2 see how the team does not respond 2 Russell
December 14th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Man. I just saw the first half, and had to leave after Jaramcus’ first O series. I really thought we had a chance with Grad, he was moving around pretty well coming up with improv plays like the one he got hurt in. When I saw Jamarcus I felt like we were done, apparently so did some of the players…Damn, I feel sorry for the kid, but you gotta cut your losses, he’s to slow physically, and has not shown attitude, presence or knowledge improvements to merit keeping him around. lets keep Grad and drafts a 3-4th round QB with intangibles to come in a compete…
December 14th, 2009 at 8:09 am
The franchise is hopelessly broken folks.
Tom Cable should be FIRED! He is by far the worst coach I have ever seen. He has no clue on how to set a lineup
Fargas is no starting running back. Adrian Peterson, he runs violently….Fargas, just runs for a yard or two. Michael Bush should be the starter but the CLUELESS coach plays favorites. Fire Cable!
Russell should be cut with immediate effect! Al Davis is once again the WORST TALENT EVALUATOR IN SPORTS! Why was Russell playing in training camp. I HATE THIS TEAM AND I HATE THE WAY THEY MAKE DECISIONS!
Huff, Warren, DHB, Kelly, should all be restrucutred or cut in the offseason. Period.
Need to draft MLB, RB, DT, RT, RG, LB and FB
I just hope that Al Davis hires a competent coach.
LANE KIFFIN KNEW WHAT THE HELL HE WAS TALKING ABOUT! HE PLEADED FOR DAVIS NOT TO DRAFT THAT BUST QB!
Kiffin started looking for a new job once Davis wouldn’t let him make a BASIC HEAD COACH DECISION like replacing the DC….he no longer wanted to be a part of this madness.
Madness. That’s what the Raiders are! Absolute madness, ineptness and a total disgrace to organized sport.
Cut’em all!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:10 am
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December 14th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Former coach’s appearance at Ricky’s brings back memories of better days
By Jerry McDonald
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Hope arrived not at the Coliseum Sunday, but several hours before at Ricky’s Sports Theater and Grill in San Leandro.
There, a hearty group of Raiders fans dared to dream of better days. Or maybe they were fondly recalling the same thing.
The guy dressed like a gorilla, a man with a shield where his head should be and a third with spikes and imitation armor posed for a photo with a familiar smiling face who wore a Raiders visor and a brand new No. 34 Bo Jackson jersey.
Not far away the marquee proudly announced the appearance of a favorite son:
“Welcome back Jon Gruden.”
As Gruden made his way to a luxury bus headed back to San Francisco, a glut of Raiders fans wearing the jerseys of their favorite players chanted, “Come back Jon! Come back Jon!”
Hey, in the wake of the Raiders’ 34-13 loss to the Washington Redskins, you can’t stop a fanatic from wishing for a miracle.
Gruden is in San Francisco to work as an analyst for ESPN for the Cardinals-49ers game on Monday Night Football. Rather than have dinner in the city, he returned to one of his favorite East Bay haunts.
Upon arrival, Gruden went into the memorabilia store on site, bought himself the jersey and insisted those in his group, including play-by-play man Mike Tirico and co-analyst Ron Jaworski, wear Raiders hats.
He sprung for a crowded backroom Raider reunion, renewing acquaintances, slapping backs and shaking hands with a seemingly never-ending
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reception line of invited guests _ many of whom are going to be glad their names won’t be mentioned here.
Showing up to a Jon Gruden party is no way to please a boss whose team looks like a lock for its seventh straight season with 11 or more losses.
“Look at him,” one Raiders employee said. “He’s still a rock star.”
Word got out Gruden was in the house, and a crowd gathered as he departed after 11:30 p.m. The excitement level as he slowly made his way out, interacting with fans, dwarfed anything that took place for the team he used to coach on a dreary Sunday in a 21-point loss to a team that entered Sunday with a 3-9 record.
The last three years Gruden coached in Oakland, his teams didn’t lose a single regular season game by more than nine points, let alone 21.
It’s become commonplace for the post-Gruden era Raiders, particularly with a 2009 team which treats success as if it were the weekly trash _ something pushed to the curb, hauled away and forgotten.
Four times the Raiders have won this season. In the four ensuing games, they’ve been outscored 119-23.
All the momentum generated by Bruce Gradkowski’s three fourth-quarter touchdown passes against Pittsburgh dissipated once Gradkowski, making an awkward underhanded flip under pressure to Justin Fargas, was twisted to the ground by Brian Orakpo three plays before the end of the half.
He got up with one sprained MCL, one partially torn MCL, and the very real possibility that his season is over.
The Raiders did their best afterward to say the absence of Gradkowski, and the reappearance of JaMarcus Russell, wasn’t the cause of the collective sag in their play in the second half.
Gradkowski was 10 of 18 for 153 yards and was sacked twice in the first half. Russell was 10 of 16 for 74 yards and sacked six times in the second half. He had no completion over 11 yards, and given his protection and lack of mobility, never had a chance.
Orakpo had four sacks, and Andre Carter had two.
“We knew JaMarcus was a pocket guy,” Orakpo said. “He wasn’t a running threat. So I was able to let loose with all kinds of moves to get to him.”
In the second half, with Russell at quarterback, the Raiders had a net of 39 yards in total offense, after getting 188 with Gradkowski in the first half.
By game’s end, with the tiny crowd (announced at 44,506, though there were considerably fewer than that in the stands) filtering out about midway through the fourth quarter, the Raiders went 227 yards forward (total offense) and 118 backwards (the yardage on 14 penalties).
It was dank and depressing, a feeling cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha knows all too well.
“You look up into the crowd and there’s probably 10,000 people left, the birds are going, and it’s a vision you’ve seen before,” Asomugha said. “It’s just replaying in your head and it’s not a good feeling. It’s happened a good number of times each year, and when the feeling comes, it’s not good.”
As for Gruden, he’ll be working in the booth tonight at Candlestick Park. He’s been gone eight years now and if you took a poll at Ricky’s Saturday night, it would be nearly unanimous that the slide into oblivion began the day he left.
The fact that Gruden has refrained from publicly disparaging the Raiders _ Jaworski said he’s never heard him utter a bad word about Davis _ is enough for the dreamers to speculate about a triumphant return.
Which brings us back to why Gruden was traded in the first place. He wanted to pick the 53-man roster and to pick his own coaching staff. He’d also command more than double what Davis has ever paid a coach.
And he’d probably want Bruce Allen and other members of the support staff that followed him to Tampa back as well.
We all know the odds of that happening.
Tell it to the gorilla, the shield head and the guy in the armor
December 14th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Cable has to know that if JaBigMac starts the team mails it in and we lose out … big. If we lose out big, Cable is gone. He must realize this.
I could see Al demanding Russell start to get one last look to see if there’s any hope before declaring him a bust and cutting him at season’s end. But haven’t we all seen enough? The only hope Russell could give right now is false hope. Time to move on.
I’d rather see what Frye can do in these last three to see if he’s worth keeping around to compete with Bruce Almighty and whatever rookie/free agent QB we sign.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:20 am
JaMarcus Russell needs to play so he understand what happens to a quarterback who does not work hard to improve his game and his teammates opportunities. He needs to feel what it is like to have two or three defensive lineman on his back because on every down because the offensive line did not care enough. Russell needs to play so when he throws an interception he knows what it’s like to tackle a linebacker or defensive back because his teammates did not care enough to help. JaMarcus needs to know what feels like to play with teammates who don’t care.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:21 am
“You look up into the crowd and there’s probably 10,000 people left, the birds are going, and it’s a vision you’ve seen before,” Asomugha said. “It’s just replaying in your head and it’s not a good feeling. It’s happened a good number of times each year, and when the feeling comes, it’s not good.”
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Says it all right there!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:22 am
4 points down when Grads went down
December 14th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Which brings us back to why Gruden was traded in the first place. He wanted to pick the 53-man roster and to pick his own coaching staff. He’d also command more than double what Davis has ever paid a coach.
And he’d probably want Bruce Allen and other members of the support staff that followed him to Tampa back as well.
We all know the odds of that happening.
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Because Al Davis is the WORST owner in sports history!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Cable will be told by Al to start JaMonkie or else. Even if Cable is fired Al will bring in yet another puppet to be head coach, but if he give JaMonkie 10million in base and 5million in roster bonus he will lose what little is left of the Nation. Have never seen someone who is more of a cancer to a team than JaMonkie.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Not trying to defend Russell, but our o-line sucks. A better o-line would sure make all the RBs look better.
BTW, since Fargas fumbled do you think Cable will yank him as he did with Bush after his one fumble?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:24 am
If you watch the NFLN Sunday game highlights show you know that Deion Sanders usually takes care of a lot of black players, giving them the benefit of the doubt when there’s controversy or criticism and even lobbying for guys in contract disputes to get paid more.
So it was very telling last night after the Raiders-Redskins highlights when Mariucci said the Raiders “need to start JaMarcus and get another look to see what they have in him” that Deion basically laughed in his face and said “For what? I think they’ve already seen what they’ve got there.”
December 14th, 2009 at 8:25 am
we dont need no stinking Gruden move along
December 14th, 2009 at 8:26 am
This team does not come to play each week. So the Bust QB was in the game, why not call the game and get more runs dialed up. More screens…
Why keep running the “violent Fargas” up the middle for 2 yards….I don’t care how good he looks running, the guy HAS NO PRODUCTION!
Why was Russell starting out of camp…why was he the backup if they were benching him? Cable and Davis are clueless.
BTW, Gallery is going to look really really old next year recovering from back surgery and a broken leg…and all his other injuries.
This team is not as talented as you all think they are.
The team is what their record will be — 4-12
December 14th, 2009 at 8:27 am
No
December 14th, 2009 at 8:28 am
What we have is a guy who doesn’t care. He got his money and now wants more. He is in the drivers seat cuz he knows Al doesn’t ever admit when he is wrong. JaMonkie is the worst player in the NFL and everyone except Al and JaMonkie knows it. I don’t ever wanna hear Al say again that all he cares about it winning. The is a phukin lie. He only cares about himself and doing things his way. He is the Hilter of pro sports and he is killing this organization. Phuk Al & JaMonkie. They deserve each other.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Not trying to defend Russell, but our o-line sucks. A better o-line would sure make all the RBs look better.
BTW, since Fargas fumbled do you think Cable will yank him as he did with Bush after his one fumble?
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Of course not Dakota, because Cable is incompetent and plays favorites.
Notice how DMAC, who I am deeply critical of, started getting traction when they moved him around….that lasted all of 1QTR……
I know that the Raiders are sentenced to terrible coaches for ever….but at least get one that understands the basics of setting a gameplan and roster.
Cable should be fired immediately after the season ending loss to Baltimore!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Maybe it’s time to call Gilbride?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Man, that DeMarcus Ware injury was scary as hell…after seeing that replay I thought he was going to be a quad for sure…
…sure made me stop thinking about the schytty Raiders for a second….
December 14th, 2009 at 8:32 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:25 am
we dont need no stinking Gruden move along
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Recent results suggest otherwise
December 14th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Gibride, get your staff together
December 14th, 2009 at 8:34 am
CaptainBlack Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Maybe it’s time to call Gilbride?
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Pretty much anyone would be an upgrade…except Bugel, Shell and white…they would just be a lateral movement.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:35 am
LenDale White wants to be traded.
If Bush is not the guy because Cable hates him, perhaps LenDale White could be the punishing back….then again he probably will be another LaMont Jordan…
Nevermind….just fire Cable so we can get Bush back on the field
December 14th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Pretty much anyone would be an upgrade…except Bugel, Shell and white…they would just be a lateral movement.
Lateral…you are being kind
December 14th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Morning what’s left of the Nation!
I turned off the feed after the 1st series with JR. From 1st and 10 to 2nd and what 35? It only became what the final margin of the loss would be. Nothing has changed with him. I could not believe anyone could be worse than Ryan Leaf but JR fits the bill. I don’t think he thought he would be playing and prepared like it. I was going to go to Cleveland on 12-27-09 to watch the game as I picked up 4 great seats for only $10 each. What a waste of $40!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:38 am
The offensive line is not strong enough to support a pocket passer. We have a quick line built for quick passes and a scrambling QB
December 14th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Ass Bone!
I am no Russel fan at all right now! But your comparing him to a monkey is just racist and follish.
Respect your Raider Nation Brothers or take your dumb @$$ over to the Donkey’s blog, you idiot!
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wishbone Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:28 am
What we have is a guy who doesn’t care. He got his money and now wants more. He is in the drivers seat cuz he knows Al doesn’t ever admit when he is wrong. JaMonkie is the worst player in the NFL and everyone except Al and JaMonkie knows it. I don’t ever wanna hear Al say again that all he cares about it winning. The is a phukin lie. He only cares about himself and doing things his way. He is the Hilter of pro sports and he is killing this organization. Phuk Al & JaMonkie. They deserve each other.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Recent events PROVE its Russell
Cable can win with Gradkowski
No one can win with Russell
December 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Ass Bone!
I am no Russel fan at all! But comparing him to a monkey is just racist and foolish.
Respect your Raider Nation Brothers or take your dumb @$$ over to the Donkey’s blog, you idiot!
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wishbone Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:28 am
What we have is a guy who doesn’t care. He got his money and now wants more. He is in the drivers seat cuz he knows Al doesn’t ever admit when he is wrong. JaMonkie is the worst player in the NFL and everyone except Al and JaMonkie knows it. I don’t ever wanna hear Al say again that all he cares about it winning. The is a phukin lie. He only cares about himself and doing things his way. He is the Hilter of pro sports and he is killing this organization. Phuk Al & JaMonkie. They deserve each other.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:42 am
How many penalties did C. Green have yesterday? We are only a RT, RG, and C away from being an okay offense!
Well, as soon as we find a real QB that is….oh, and some receivers that can catch…and a coach that can call plays…
Nevermind…
December 14th, 2009 at 8:43 am
the OL especially Henderson had a bad game but the game was back and forth until Bruce left. It’s Russell’s lack of preparation resulting in slow decision making and Russell’s lack of conditioning making him to slow to avoid the pass rush. Cable should have put in Frye if he wanted to give us a chance to win
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Why in the hell would Kevin Gilbride wanna be the head coach? He will be making less money and become a puppet to Al. Al might have to hire Art for a third time cuz NOBODY wants the job. Kiffin took it cuz he knew he could use it as a stepping stone to something better. Cable took it cuz he knew no other pro or college team would ever hire him as head coach. Somebody need to put Al & JaMonkie on a boat and take them far out to sea & leave them to rot.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I think both Cable and Russel are stinking up the party. Cable is an idiot for finally using the DMAC the way he should have been used since the starting of the season. It does not take a Football Wizard to figure out that you need to create space for this guy to be successful. The Saints figured that out with Reggie Bush after his first season, look at the guy now.
Mike Bush is going to another team here soon and I bet you he will get a 1000 yards.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:46 am
The entire team gave up once Russell entered the game. That’s their verdict, Al. Now, do the right thing and HIRE A GM!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:47 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Recent events PROVE its Russell
Cable can win with Gradkowski
No one can win with Russell
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Oh really? What proves Cable can win with G-Ski? Was it the Bengholes fumbling the kickoff that proves that? Or was it the blowout in Dallas or us losing at home to a crap Redskins team before G-Ski went down? Or was it the great victory against the strong defending SB champs…that have lost five in a row?
please don’t let a little success that seems like so much more because of how bad Russell was/is fool you into thinking Cable and Garbagekowski are the long-term answers for this team.
If you want another 6-10 year Cable is your man.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Nice post on Russell earlier 4eva. Good of you to say those things.
Dakota and Charlie are right. Our Oline is falt out not getting it done. The main reason they are begging for Bruce is his mobility. They KNOW they can’t hold a pocket for 3 seconds and BEG for mobility to bail them out?
Orakpo was MANHANDLING the Oline. And I’m not even talking about the 2nd half, yet! Bruce got the SHYT kicked out of him ALL DAY. Did you see him limping to the locker?
The Oline should be ashamed of itself. Then again, I guess that’s what you get for starting a bunch of backups!
How many rush yards did we have in the first half?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Justin Fargas Statistics:
2009
126 carries, 483 yds, 3.8 avg.
2008
218 carries, 853 yds, 3.9 avg.
Folks, this is not a premier running back. These are not numbers of someone that should be starting.
The Raiders have no real running game. For a real running game please see Cincy, Minnesota, Baltimore, Philly, Giants, Titans etc…
What the RAiders trot out their with the 3-headed monster minus 1 is a pedestrian, lack of playmaking, no threat running game.
Among other problems. Fire Cable and get a real coach in here. and cut Russell today
December 14th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Wishbone,
I am sorry you did not have the best childhood and all but come on man you are really being a bigot and a major downer
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wishbone Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Why in the hell would Kevin Gilbride wanna be the head coach? He will be making less money and become a puppet to Al. Al might have to hire Art for a third time cuz NOBODY wants the job. Kiffin took it cuz he knew he could use it as a stepping stone to something better. Cable took it cuz he knew no other pro or college team would ever hire him as head coach. Somebody need to put Al & JaMonkie on a boat and take them far out to sea & leave them to rot
December 14th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Bruce Gradkowski needs to be making Russell $! If he’s going to be responsible for bailing out the Oline with his mobility, then pay him big bucks.
The line can’t hold up for 3 to 4 seconds in obvious passing situations? Ridiculous! Can’t open running lanes on a Dline that didn’t have Haynesworth? Thanks GOD Haynesworth wasn’t playing!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:42 am
How many penalties did C. Green have yesterday? We are only a RT, RG, and C away from being an okay offense!
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Add LG to that with Gallery’s injury.
No running game, ridiculous penalties, and gets our only shot at QB knocked out for the rest of the year. Nice job Oline!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Anytime you are depending on guys like Morris, Satele, Green and the out of gas Cooper you are asking for trouble.
Barnes was our big free agent help? What a fukin joke.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:56 am
I could understand gettin an O Coordinator for improved playcalling and adding wrinkles to the O but a whole new HC with a whole new system for our young guys to learn when the coaching pool Al Davis has to choose from consists of Dennis Green and Jim Fassell?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:57 am
You have to give credit where credit is due. For whatever reasons, Dakota ended up being DEAD on in regards to Cable LAST OFFSEASON. Make all the excuses you want for this guy, but it looks like we will have a worse record than last year.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:57 am
CJ—Bigot??? When have I EVER said anything regarding anyones race? You have no idea what the phuk color I am. I have critisized all who deserve it no matter their race. Go phuk yourself CJ. Think before you speak Ahole!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Cable is DIRECTLY responsible for putting this Oline on the field. Where is the personell? ZERO draft picks spent on the Oline?
If Cable is the best communicator with Al since Gruden, I sure can’t see the impact.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:59 am
That O-Line was Cable’s handpicked line.
He could have at least lobbied Davis to get some help in the mid-to later rounds of the draft.
Khalif Barnes? Cornell Green? Carlsle, Satele…those are Cable guys….Gallery is hurt like Jhill pointed out….and Henderson is a decent LT and will be serviceable.
Cable has to go. He is an O-Line coach and the O-Line is a disaster with a bunch of ZBS rejects.
Get back to basic powerblocking and feed the rock to Michael Bush and DMAC
December 14th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Wishbone …
SEVERAL people have asked you to stop refering to the guy as a MONKIE. I’m sure several other people just IGNORE you, but you’ve got to be pretty slow to see how calling a big black guy a Monkie won’t rile up racial stuff.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:02 am
jhill Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:57 am
You have to give credit where credit is due. For whatever reasons, Dakota ended up being DEAD on in regards to Cable LAST OFFSEASON. Make all the excuses you want for this guy, but it looks like we will have a worse record than last year.
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Yeah, Dakota saw it. I bet he recognized Cable’s refusal last year to get DMAC or Bush in the game. He saw the stupid playcalling and fake field goals… the celebrating touchdowns.
Dakota was spot on. I thought Cable was going to keep the fundamentals from last year…but he changes things up and takes firm control of the offense. The results are for all to see.
I really am looking forward to gettting Cable out of here
December 14th, 2009 at 9:04 am
We need a better O-line and D-line that is 4sure….But 2 just fire everybody does what???? Thats right learn a new system and everybody here want continuity.This is Cables 1 st year.What Dmac gets another year but not Cable…..lots went wrong and as has been beaten 2 death we started 2 rookie WR,had an Injured O-line all season and the Russell fiasco.Man give Cable another year,just like the WR’s just like Dmac.See what F/A holds.The team was and will come together they are all young together with a 1st tear coach.And I’ll take a fumble at the end of every game and win by 3 because that means we put ourselves in a position to win,we were in the game and in the NFL its a fine line between winning and loosing,just like the fine line when momentum changes.We will be better next year because we improved this year when Grads came in.4 godsake their mostly all young.And if you want 2 blame someone how about that no good MLB we got
GASHED I SAY GASHED
December 14th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Yeah, Jim Fassell or Dennis Green (and 4 years ago I would have puked had we gotten Green) would be a MAJOR upgrade over Cable. Cable clearly has no answers; he just does the same thing week in and week out and expects things to get better because they are working hard, lol, yeah right.
Working hard? Is that why the first thing Cable did as HC was to stop Lane Kiffin’s practice of making the offensive players stay at practice until they ran the plays right?
And learning a new offensive system? It’s not like Cable is running some complicated offensive system that these players will have to unlearn…and wouldn’t a new OC just bring in a new system too? What is the difference? Is it really a good idea to stick with something that doesn’t work simply for the sake of familiarity? I don’t think so.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:05 am
I wonder when we’ll find out about next week’s starting QB. Maybe Cable will pull a Kiffin/Mangini and keep it a secret all week. That would be hilarious. Donkeys d-linemen and LBs have to be praying for JaMarcus to start — time to pad those sack stats.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:06 am
This is going to be a painful last 3 weeks to watch. Russell will start, the team hates that, the coach hates that, and the line can’t block for the guy. How did we get to this mess? It’s the same QB and supposedly better WRs than last year. The fact that Langston Walker was picked up off the street half way through the season and is now your ONLY backup Olineman for LG, RG, RT, and LT is HILARIOUS!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I don’t need to know your color to know that you are ignorant. All I need to do is look at your comments. They paint the picture of an ignorant bigot. I could careless what color you are, I just know your posts are foolish.
Clowns like you deserve the record the Raiders have today. No need to respond I am sure you will miss the boat.
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wishbone Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:57 am
CJ—Bigot??? When have I EVER said anything regarding anyones race? You have no idea what the phuk color I am. I have critisized all who deserve it no matter their race. Go phuk yourself CJ. Think before you speak Ahole!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:07 am
GASHED I SAY GASHED
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LMFAO!
Add Oline to that too, my friend! Oline got the shyt gashed outta them yesterday.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:08 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 6:34 am
At 26 Bruce is coming into his own,imo.He will be back and he will even be better,imo
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correct. the best pass yesterday that Grad has thrown all season was the incomplete to JLH to the corner. It was a timing route and he threw it before JLH turned around. I thought JLH was late in his cut and Atkinson was on the radio confirming my suspicion. To me that is the type of passing you need to have to be above avg in this league. Those are timing passes that good qb’s in this league make. the db cannot defend those passes. Grad is not Brees or Gannon but he is a younger Jeff Garcia. He throws on the run extremely well. That drop by Miller was a throw on the run by Grad and it was on the money.
the silver lining in yesterday’s game is we found our QB and leader and at the same time Al Davis is forced to abandon JR.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Gotta run mu daughter to school and get some work done fellas.
Try and have a great day!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Bruce had plenty of time to throw against Pittsburgh and Cincinatti with with Carlisle and Green on the right side of the line. It’s hard to run when the D knows your gonna run because your passing game is the worst in the NFL before Bruce. I think Cable’s done a good job of coaching guys up when you consider the talent on the OL
December 14th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Jhill—Gee according to the evolution theory didn’t all mankind evolve from those animals? Wasn’t really aware of what color they were. My reference to your precious JaMarcus is purely his inability to grasp the concept of playing QB in the NFL. Not one time EVER have I mentioned anything about anyones skin color. Please stop being so over sensitive and using race whenever it fits you. Look at JaMarcus without seeing what color he is and instead see him for what he really is. An extremely overpaid, worthless fat pig.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Working hard? Is that why the first thing Cable did as HC was to stop Lane Kiffin’s practice of making the offensive players stay at practice until they ran the plays right?
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Exactly!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:09 am
In all the chater lets not forget the missed tackles in yesterdays game. This is one of the worse tackling teams I have seen in a long time. They make average running backs look like hall of fame legends.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Wishbone,
I really don’t give a fugg about Russell. You seemed to question why you were being called a bigot. Feel free to call him whatever you want, but it’s still pretty easy to see why you are getting some backlash. If you can’t understand the simple PC regarding calling blacks monkies, then good luck to you in like man.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:12 am
CJ—It is you who is ignorant. If you continue to give money to Al you are an idiot. If you continue to pay money to see JaMarcus you are an idiot. I am not going stand by and pay good money to see this garbage. You think Al or JaMarcus cares what you think or cares that you support them. Hell no. JaMarcus cares about getting paid. That is IT!!! Al cares about doing things Al’s way thats IT!! I think I’m not the only one who feel this way cuz of all the boooooos yesterday and the billboard on the hwy. You are part of the problem for supporting them jackazz.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Yeah hand picked with the players that were already on the team.As o-line coach you think Cable drafted anyone.This is the same idiotic things them publicans are saying.Its Obama fault No it isnt he INHERITED this mess,same as Cable.Open your eyes.I dont care if we have a worse record because Cable will purge all the garbage from the previous regime.Like it or not we are just getting started.Cable,no matter his record should be given every chance 2 suceed,and that means give the man another year just like the young players,imo
December 14th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I’m sorry for hurting your feelings Jhill, but I’m sure 28 million will help JaMarcus get over the name calling.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Plain and simple, Jamarcus is a disgrace. His poor play, particularly this season should never allow him to see the field as a Raider ever again. As far as yesterday is concerned, you could just see the life come out of the team the minute Russel entered the game. The team, the fans and apparently Coach Cable simply dont trust him to be the team’s QB. I guess Lane Kiffin was right all along for not wanting to draft this guy. I’m in with Grads!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:18 am
No offense 2 anyone lol
December 14th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Hey,
Here’s the link Gruden interview on knbr on 12/11…
http://www.knbr.com/pages/murphandmac
December 14th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Grad is not Brees or Gannon but he is a younger Jeff Garcia. He throws on the run extremely well. That drop by Miller was a throw on the run by Grad and it was on the money.
the silver lining in yesterday’s game is we found our QB and leader and at the same time Al Davis is forced to abandon JR.
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I am not ready to give Gradkowski the keys. And why can’t we get a Brees or Manning for a change. Everything about this sad, inept franchise is about compromising to the low end.
Unfortuantely, I am not handing a backup QB the starting job based on three and a half games. That’s how we ended up with Cable.
No, Gradkowski can come back, but I want intense competition with a credible veteran.
As for Russell…..I just hope he is not on the roster next year. But then again, Al Davis is running this circus
December 14th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Silver lining…
Grads not horribly injured, now he can’t deliver more ‘Almighty’ moments to raise his value, Al needs to sign him NOW!
This guy is the best option we have, or will get until we turnthe corner as a team.
JR, Forced to play, and expose the fact that NOTHING has changed for this guy, he must restructure, or get out…
December 14th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I am not ready to give Gradkowski the keys. And why can’t we get a Brees or Manning for a change. Everything about this sad, inept franchise is about compromising to the low end.
Unfortuantely, I am not handing a backup QB the starting job based on three and a half games. That’s how we ended up with Cable.
No, Gradkowski can come back, but I want intense competition with a credible veteran.
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fukin’ A
December 14th, 2009 at 9:26 am
AIG that is correct.On that corner route 2 JLH,it was wet down there and when JLH made his cut his right foot slipped for a second and thats all it took.They showed that play over and over and it was a timoing pattern,Grads put it EXACTLY where it needed 2B and the wet field caused the incompletion.But Grads is DEADLY accurate,imo
December 14th, 2009 at 9:26 am
U2 Jhill
December 14th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Please tell me what credible veteran QB & proven head coach wants to come here with Al calling all the shots. Garcia would rather be out of football than be here. Nobody wants to be here under these circumstance unless it is for a boat load of money. Al controls the draft, the defensive scheme & even who plays QB. Until Al is dead things will remain the same. You might see breaks in the clouds like last Sunday, but there will always be a dark cloud over the Raiders with Al Davis running the show.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:27 am
morning all.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:29 am
SnB,
Competition is always good. If they can get more guys in here that can compete, then I am all for it. I suspected earlier that Grad has set a bar for JR to surpass if he wants to start next year. No way JR goes into camp as the guaranteed starter. The reality is we can’t build an OLine in 1 season. We need as much compettition as we can in the offseason and training camp. My money is on Grad starting for us next year if Cable and company are retained.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Sorry for mentioning Friday that Henderson was having a good season at LT
December 14th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Had to get an earlyish night so missed most of the game.I was shocked when I saw the final score.However,I noticed one report saying that Grad went off injured and then it hit me…….Russell.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:30 am
I agree with bringing in a veteran QB to compete with Gradkowski but I have seen enough to consider him the frontrunner to start next year. The guy is just a winner and his team loves him. We cannot say the same thing about Ja-slob-cus despite his immense physical talent.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
One good game from Russell and most of you will suddenly start sucking HIS balls again.
The knee-jerk Nation.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Watched the Giants/Philly game when I got in.Very interested in how Philly used Vick.
I’m going to keep saying it until they use it and prove me wrong…..Dmac and the Wildcat.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Al Davis definitely needs to go. Hopefully 20,000 in the stands sends a message to Al(or his silent partners) that things need to change at the top for our team to no longer be the laughingstock of the league.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:33 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:26 am
AIG that is correct.On that corner route 2 JLH,it was wet down there and when JLH made his cut his right foot slipped for a second and thats all it took.They showed that play over and over and it was a timoing pattern,Grads put it EXACTLY where it needed 2B and the wet field caused the incompletion.But Grads is DEADLY accurate,imo
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Agreed. Accuracy was the only thing I wanted to verify with Grad. He proved to me yesterday that he is deadly accurate. For all 3.5 games, I think we can all agree that his decision making has been fcking tremendous. Prob best since Gannon was at the helm. Now the next thging i want to see is Grad calling his own plays out there in the field. That’s what makes Brees, Gannon, and Peyton so good. They can audible well.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Dakota…
never have,never will…
December 14th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Dakota, you are an idiot.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:34 am
JR doesn’t have one good game in him. He is so slow because of all the money in his pocket. He would be perfect for playing alll the different characters in the Wizard of Oz. No heart, no brain, ect.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:36 am
First, Russell should be cut immediately. Like I said weeks ago.
As for Gradkowski. THe guy does not have enough tape to annoint him the starter. He’s looked okay, but how does he look when the opponents get to game plan him and try to exploit his weaknesses.
Three games is not enough. We’ve seen plenty of backups light it up for a couple of games. Right now QB is a gap that needs to be addressed.
Sure, put Gradkowski in the mix….but make him fight for it. If he is as good as you all think he is, then he should have no problem beating out whoever we bring in as a free agent.
Also, maybe the new coach changes the offense. Will that still suit Gradkowski’s strengths or will the new coach want his own man.
Hopefully there is a new coach. If cable is back next year…you can book 5-11
December 14th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Like a ton-o-bricks huh Neilb????
December 14th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Charlie Fry, Charlie Fry, Charlie Fry. Good morning all. No need to talk about Jamarcus. We all saw his performance yesterday. I would prefer to have Charlie Fry start the remaining games. Start the Chant Nation.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 am
…..or like a ton-o-JaMarcus’ 4eva!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Good luck with that thought Ghost, but Al will force Cable to start JR rest of the year.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Hire Gruden!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
One good game from Russell and most of you will suddenly start sucking HIS balls again.
The knee-jerk Nation.
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Fck you you jerk!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Simple things…same o line, same opponent, grad 2 sacks, free willy 6 sacks…see, simple things.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Dmac looked awesome yesterday.I hope we sit him the rest of the year.BENCH DMAC is what those bill-boards should say.He is waaaaaaaaay 2 valuable
December 14th, 2009 at 9:42 am
He would be perfect for playing alll the different characters in the Wizard of Oz. No heart, no brain, ect…LOL!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:42 am
[...] SOURCE: OAKLAND TRIBUNE [...]
December 14th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I thought 7-9 was possible before Sunday.4-12 here we come.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I FELT SORRY, YES I ACTUALLY FELT SORRY FOR ZACH MILLER WHEN HE GOT DRILLED IN THE 4TH QUARTER
JLH HAS BEEN LAID OUT TWICE THIS YEAR BY #2
HE IS GOING TO GET SOME OF THESE GUY’S SERIOUSLY INJURED AND IT WONT BE DHB BECAUSE HE CANNOT CATCH. !!!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Gradkowski might not be any more than a Shaun Hill or J.T O’Sullivan…how about Ryan Fitzpatrick in Buffalo.
No way do you give Gradkowski ANYTHING! The only thing Gradkowski should be given is a chance.
Bring in the best QB you can find in free agency or trade
December 14th, 2009 at 9:45 am
If Grads injury was so bad why did he come out in the second half? Why wasn’t he getting treated if it was so bad? Wouldn’t surprise me a bit if once Al saw Grad go down he talked to Cable at half and forced him to put in JR. Now Al is gonna tell Grads to keep his mouth shut? Al still thinks JR is the future. Course Al still thinks the 1979 look is cool.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
One good game from Russell and most of you will suddenly start sucking HIS balls again.
The knee-jerk Nation.
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Maybe, but we’ll never find out because JaBigMac won’t ever have a game that ranks above embarrassing and putrid.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Oh yeah. Free Willy puts everybody’s life at stake with his collision prone throws. He’s been doing all the time, remember last year when Tony Gonzalez told Miller to go and speak with JR before he killed someone?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I still would like to know what credible veteran QB would come here unless you way overpaid for him (see JWalker).
December 14th, 2009 at 9:47 am
That is soo true UP….Sit Russell and bench all starters,batten down the hatches we are in 4 a rough ride.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
One good game from Russell and most of you will suddenly start sucking HIS balls again.
The knee-jerk Nation.
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Fck you you jerk!
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yes, the truth hurts…..
December 14th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Vick had 5 plays against the Giants….
1/Pass for a big first down
2/Incomplete pass in end zone
3/On the goal-line,ran it in for a td.
4/Tried a gimick play-small gain.
5/Ran the ball straight up the gut to put the ball on the 1 yd line.
Why can’t the Raiders use Dmac in the same way ? Exactly what have we got to lose right now ?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Give me all you got Scotty
Captain Kirk I cant….she’ll surely blow!!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:49 am
What happened with Mitchell and Murphy at the end?
I couldn’t watch the last 10 minutes
December 14th, 2009 at 9:51 am
ElTato:
they were pissed at Fred Smoot for celebrating Zach’s near KO from a helmet to helmet hit.
Mitchell wanted to fight Smoot after the game, said it all on post game interview.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Flip flip flip!
Flop flop flop!!
Nation,
BG is the next Gannon! Wrong!
JR is done!! Wrong!!
Cable is a good caoch who can’t do much due to Al!!! Wrong
Al can’t draft Talent. Wrong!!
You guys are just like Diacharged Fans!!!
Waffle Fans!!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:52 am
wishbone Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I still would like to know what credible veteran QB would come here unless you way overpaid for him (see JWalker).
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Bulger, Rosenfelds, Losman, Campbell, Clemmons, Anderson, Vick, Pennington, Thigpen, Garcia, St. Pierre…
Gradkowski should be able to beat out any of those guys right? So get a couple of them in here and have a battle royal in training camp for the QB position
December 14th, 2009 at 9:53 am
We used DMAC correctly yesterday, he clearly is no t a RB1 but he can do some things, he should be in the slot more time.
He had over 100 yards yesterday rushing/receiving. If he can give us 800/800 rushing/receiving in a season I will be OK at this point (Charlie Garner)
I don’t understand why we can’t put him at KR instead of a 250 pounds FB
December 14th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Loved seeing Murph & Michell stand up for their teammate, but can you guess who was the first player out of the locker room & into the car going home??? Give you one guess.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:54 am
# VanHeathen Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:51 am
ElTato:
they were pissed at Fred Smoot for celebrating Zach’s near KO from a helmet to helmet hit.
Mitchell wanted to fight Smoot after the game, said it all on post game interview.
……………..
OK, thanks man
December 14th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Im still not sold on mcfadden… at least he’s making some progress…
December 14th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Charlie Fry, Charlie Fry, Charlie Fry.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Why can’t they hit Jamarcus low.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:56 am
SnB— I said credible veteran QB. Thigpin, Clemmons??? Are you kidding? Vick already said no & Garcia bailed after seeing what it was like. Next you’ll be saying Drunkinmiller, Leaf & Trent Green right?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:57 am
JR is the future!!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Ghost,
Cause he was up to his knees in the mud…
by the 2nd series, he looked like he was wearing cement shoes…
December 14th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Ghost to the Post,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nike7BNrJ5A
Fry-ing tonight!!
December 14th, 2009 at 9:58 am
We will finish 4-12 if Gradkowski season is over
December 14th, 2009 at 9:59 am
wow. just wow. I really don’t know what to say…
I recorded the game because we had a B-day party for my daughter. We watched it when we got home and when Bruce went down, I said that’s it this game is gone. So I checked my phone and looked at the score because I didn’t want to waste my time. It just f-in pissed me off.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Dakota,
You aint got no football knowledge. The only thing you ahve on here is repeated over and over again…
1. Al Davis Sucks.
2. The Raiders Sucks.
I know you live in hillbilly coutnry so this blog is your only source of entertainment but try and post some knowledge from time to time. Other than that, you’re just a hillbilly version of Mrs Madden Raider.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Sign #17 Jason Campbell
December 14th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Hire Jim Fassell.
Trade for Kolb or McNabb (Philly has a decision to make).
Draft Spikes.
Upgrade the o-line.
Pray like hell.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Campbell is not wanted in Washington and is a FA
He has alredy has 3000 yards this season, 17 TDs with 12 picks with a suspect OL and average (at best) WRs for a 90 QB rating
December 14th, 2009 at 10:03 am
El Tato Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:53 am
We used DMAC correctly yesterday, he clearly is no t a RB1 but he can do some things, he should be in the slot more time.
He had over 100 yards yesterday rushing/receiving. If he can give us 800/800 rushing/receiving in a season I will be OK at this point (Charlie Garner)
I don’t understand why we can’t put him at KR instead of a 250 pounds FB
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Correct. They finally used mcFaden the way we’ve been asking for. The problem is they keep with Al Davis tradition of 1 step forward 1 step back. They rollout McFadden but they keep Gary Russ back there. I mean why dont they put Fargas or Bush back there. At least it gets the other team thinking into which player will be featured on that play.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Yeah, and draft Brandon Spikes
our LBs have to be the worst run stoppers in the league
We can use 6′3” 260 Spikes
December 14th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Wishbone,
You don’t hand a job to a journeyman QB with 3 and a half starts.
you just don’t do that. Some very, very, very bad decisions were made on a limited book of work.
Gradkowski needs competition. Charlie Frye and the Bust won’t provide it.
What happens when teams game plan against Gradkowski’s many weaknesses…Then what?
Get some competition
Get a real coach
Get a real running game whether its Bush or someone else we have to bring in
Get a real offensive line
Get a real defensive tackle
Get a real MLB
Get a real full-time Free Safety
Get a real nickle back
Get a real offensive coordinator
Get a real FB
Get a real kick returner
And leave DHB on the freekn bench
December 14th, 2009 at 10:04 am
One play did stand out. It was on a series and JaMeatloaf dropped back then took 2 steps into the pocket and ran right into the right tackles guy and was sacked. You saw the Tackles frustration ( Greene I think ) he just jumped up and down screaming at him. It was quite a scene.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:05 am
forget about it, we could have taken Maualuga last year too
December 14th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Kevin Kolb is groomed to be the heir to McNabb.
NO WAY THE EAGLES EVEN ENTERTAIN A TRADE!
The Eagles actually know what they are doing. They rebuilt their team while staying competitive.
Not like the rank amateurs running this sad franchise.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:09 am
SnB I agree 100%, but honestly I don’t see us getting a proven head coach or a credible veteran QB unless 1) he is overpaid by an incredible amount or 2) AL steps down. Don’t see either one happening. I hope I am wrong though.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:09 am
morilla Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:04 am
One play did stand out. It was on a series and JaMeatloaf dropped back then took 2 steps into the pocket and ran right into the right tackles guy and was sacked. You saw the Tackles frustration ( Greene I think ) he just jumped up and down screaming at him. It was quite a scene.
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That was a 4th and 14 play. Green was so pissed at him for not throwing the ball. Never seen that before in the nfl. The Oline was pissed at JR yesterday.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:11 am
face it!
JR came out and claimed to be ‘different’.
Yet, went called upon, still looked un prepared to be an NFL QB…nothing has changed, he just thought he’d ‘lie it up’, cause his season was over w/ Grads at the helm…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Get a real full-time Free Safety
Get a real nickle back
Get a real offensive coordinator
Get a real FB
Get a real kick returner
And leave DHB on the freekn bench
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We have been saying that for years, and what area of the team has actually been inproived in that time?
DE is better right now that it has been in a long time.
Our safeties are better.
But we keep ignoring the o-line (or siging up scrubs like Barnes, Harris and Satele and hoping they work), and the NT position and the LBs. Our RBs, QB, and CBs mean nothing until we fix the fundamental problems on the o-line and with the run d. Everything else is just deodorant.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I do like how they finally got DMAC out in space. He is very effective when used in that way. His routes are pretty solid.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Has anyone heard JR say anything about the game yesterday? I wanna hear his excuse for the pick? Chaz was open, but JR is so slow to react. Curious as to hear that fat slob & how he rates his play yesterday. My guess is he blames the Oline, the weather, jock itch, hemmeroids, athletes foot….., but he didn’t play so bad.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Wishbone…
go to CSNBAYAREA.com
they got 2 minutes w/ him b4 he bailed.
A few other clips of interviews after the game, i couldn’t stand much after watching JR’s piece…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I got this gut feeling that Gruden will be Coaching us next season. His QB will be Gradkowski and we will draft one in this draft.
Gradkowski is ready to be Gruden’s Gannon.
I love to see QBs drop back in the pocket and when it collapses, they do those big shuffle steps forward in the middle of that wall and completes the pass to receivers.
I’ve only seen these guys do that:
Rich Gannon
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Bruce Gradkowski
December 14th, 2009 at 10:18 am
The only thing you can say about Gradikowski is that he had heart and even on the play that he was injured he did his best Rich Gannon impression and completed the pass. JaMarcus is never going to have a heart.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Thanx Van, but tell us what the fat slob had to say
December 14th, 2009 at 10:19 am
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Dakota,
You aint got no football knowledge. The only thing you ahve on here is repeated over and over again…
1. Al Davis Sucks.
2. The Raiders Sucks.
I know you live in hillbilly coutnry so this blog is your only source of entertainment but try and post some knowledge from time to time. Other than that, you’re just a hillbilly version of Mrs Madden Raider.
——————————————-
Dakota,
2 for 2 on the truth. You could have been 4 for 4 if you said : 3. Cable Sucks.
4. JaMarcus Sucks.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:20 am
gentlemen, ladies,
till the O-line can give any QB two heartbeats of time no one at QB can make it work. yes, the present crop of linemen may not like JRuss for his ways (which seems warranted) but they aren’t giving a lotta time for the others either (try as they might).
draft O-line in ‘08! (oops, got DMc)
draft O-line in ‘09! (oops, got DHB)
draft O-line in ‘10! (?????????????)
December 14th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Only way Gruden even considers it if Al admits he made a mistake, gives him about 5 million, control over the roster, a say in the draft and allows him to bring back Bruce Allen. Don’t see any of those things ever happening, but it’s nice to dream about.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Wishbone:
it went like this:
mummble, mummble, ahh, mummble, mummble, well, mummble…
He sounded like he took the helmet to helmet hit that got laid on Zach…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:21 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Kevin Kolb is groomed to be the heir to McNabb.
NO WAY THE EAGLES EVEN ENTERTAIN A TRADE!
The Eagles actually know what they are doing. They rebuilt their team while staying competitive.
Not like the rank amateurs running this sad franchise.
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Probably true for one more year….but after that they will need to make a decision on keeping McNabb or trading Kolb (much like the Packers-Favre situation).
December 14th, 2009 at 10:22 am
# Raider O Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:57 am
JR is the future!!
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If JR is the future, WE ARE DOOMED………
December 14th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Fire Cable!!
Fire the WRs Coach!
Fire the RBs Coach!!
Fire the Oline Coach! No more ZBS!
Fire the LBs Coach!!
Draft Spikes, DT, RT, CB, RG, FB, and a DE if we move Seymour inside!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:23 am
AlDavis Stopwatch Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I got this gut feeling that Gruden will be Coaching us next season. His QB will be Gradkowski and we will draft one in this draft.
Gradkowski is ready to be Gruden’s Gannon.
I love to see QBs drop back in the pocket and when it collapses, they do those big shuffle steps forward in the middle of that wall and completes the pass to receivers.
I’ve only seen these guys do that:
Rich Gannon
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Bruce Gradkowski
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KEEP DREAMING !!!!!!!!!
Your not alone i’ll dream with you.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:24 am
I’ve only seen these guys do that:
Rich Gannon
Peyton Manning
Drew Brees
Bruce Gradkowski
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Stop! Look, Gradkowski gave a boost….but that’s it. He only had 3.5 games…and that by itself isn’t everything.
Comparing him to Gannon, Manning and Brees?
I am telling you guys that just giving the keys to this guy and thinking everything will be better is very short-sighted.
Give the kid a chance to compete next year. That’s it.
Cut Russell immediately and bring in the best Veteran QB through free agency or trade and bring in another guy and have an all-out battle royal for the starting job.
Gradkowski does not deserve to go in next year like a starter…we are not talking about Brees or Philip Rivers here.
Just because Russell was AWFUL…does not make Gradkowski great….Gradkowski has not thrown enough passes to just be given the job
December 14th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Careful now Van, cuz they may come off as not PC for some peoples taste. JR is just soft spoken. hahahaha
December 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
We are Doomed, but it’s not because of JR!!
Look at What Al has done in the last 7 years!
Look at the coaches he hired! It’s not a secret why we can’t develop talent!!!
We don’t have good coaches!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:21 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Kevin Kolb is groomed to be the heir to McNabb.
NO WAY THE EAGLES EVEN ENTERTAIN A TRADE!
The Eagles actually know what they are doing. They rebuilt their team while staying competitive.
Not like the rank amateurs running this sad franchise.
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Probably true for one more year….but after that they will need to make a decision on keeping McNabb or trading Kolb (much like the Packers-Favre situation).
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Kolb will be patient. He’s no fool. He’s in the perfect situation. Got young receivers to grow with in Maclin, Jackson, Celek a young running back in McCoy and a head coach who believes in a strong and physical O-Line and knows how to call plays.
He’s going to leave that to come to the Oakland Raiders? The antithesis of competence and good sense?
Nope! McNabb will stay for 2 to 3 more years because they have a Super Bowl window. THey will tell Kolb to be patient, throw him some more coin and allow him to keep on learning with one of the better coach/OC/QB combos in the last 20 or 30 years.
Oakland will have to go to the scrap heap for a
QB because the Owner has no clue on how to ID talent and develop it!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Exla,
That new broken finger has me worried….
December 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am
They need to start Frye against the Donks….but they won’t…..cause dumb a$$ Al will demand Russell starts.
What a waste of 9.5 million.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:30 am
How about trading a second round pick plus whatever else it will take for Troy Smith, Back-up QB, Baltimore Ravens. Flaco is well established as the starter and Smith is just being wasted. Smith definitely has skills and is willing to put in the effort to do what it takes to be successful – something JaBustus is NOT willing to do. He’s also, IMO, not capable because he truly is a BIG DUMMY.
Let the WHALE go – FREE WILLY!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:30 am
# Raider O Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
We are Doomed, but it’s not because of JR!!
Look at What Al has done in the last 7 years!
Look at the coaches he hired! It’s not a secret why we can’t develop talent!!!
We don’t have good coaches!!!
^^^^^^^^^^
Been saying this the whole year….the failure of the Raiders starts at the top and it starts with AL DAVIS’ failure as an owner/gm/personnel man/head of scouting/wannabe head coach/wannabe emperor from star wars.
Al Davis has RUINED this franchise!!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Wishbone,
I really wish i was making it up, but he says nothing of context and it’s barely audible, what he does say.
He should have waved the guy off and taken off…he can’t get out of his own way, on and off the field…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Off to ease my pain with a good friend of mine called Stella.
Try to enjoy your Monday…..
December 14th, 2009 at 10:32 am
JB Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:30 am
How about trading a second round pick plus whatever else it will take for Troy Smith, Back-up QB, Baltimore Ravens. Flaco is well established as the starter and Smith is just being wasted. Smith definitely has skills and is willing to put in the effort to do what it takes to be successful – something JaBustus is NOT willing to do. He’s also, IMO, not capable because he truly is a BIG DUMMY.
Let the WHALE go – FREE WILLY!
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Now that makes sense. Probably could get a Troy Smith for less than a 2nd round.
But I don’t know if he’s the guy I trade for. He and Gradkowski have the same game in my opinion.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
We are Doomed, but it’s not because of JR!!
Look at What Al has done in the last 7 years!
Look at the coaches he hired! It’s not a secret why we can’t develop talent!!!
We don’t have good coaches!!!
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Bingo.
Al is a maniac just throwing things together and hoping it all works out. He hires crap coaches and then wonders why his first rounders are not developed and why the team sucks.
He throws money at the situation but instead of hiring a decent coaching staff he brings in a bunch of trash free agents and trades for worthless players that don’t even fit the system.
Very depressing.
We need a coach and GM with a plan, and with the ability to work together without constant interference from the owner.
Until that happens we are just going to be patch working crap together and crossing our fingers hoping it all works out.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:37 am
# Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:27 am
We are Doomed, but it’s not because of JR!!
Look at What Al has done in the last 7 years!
Look at the coaches he hired! It’s not a secret why we can’t develop talent!!!
We don’t have good coaches!!!
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Bingo.
Al is a maniac just throwing things together and hoping it all works out. He hires crap coaches and then wonders why his first rounders are not developed and why the team sucks.
He throws money at the situation but instead of hiring a decent coaching staff he brings in a bunch of trash free agents and trades for worthless players that don’t even fit the system.
Very depressing.
We need a coach and GM with a plan, and with the ability to work together without constant interference from the owner.
Until that happens we are just going to be patch working crap together and crossing our fingers hoping it all works out.
^^^^^^^^
Yeeeeep! And it won’t work out….
December 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Anybody have Elvis Dumervilles #? I hate the Donkeys with a passion but I will give that guy my years salary if he gives JaBaconator a career ending injury on Sunday!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Did you guys see Brandon Marshall break TO’s record for receptions in a game yesterday?
I never thought the day would come where I wanted TO to keep a record, but Brandon Marshall breaking that record is even worse than TO holding that record.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
I would rather have FRIES than a Jamilkshake.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
forget the Kolbs and Penningtons. the next Raider starting QB is in St Louis as we write.
Null – 1 TD and 5 picks yesterday
we already got zero so let’s go for Null!
think of the headlines possible:
Raiders Null-ified Once Again
or
Black Hole Null and Void
December 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Here’s a guy who’s mobile, a good scrambler when need be and can pass accurately. He’s a born leader, reminds me of Gradkowski energywise, is currently being wasted on the bench in Baltimore. Meet once again, Troy Smith QB, Ohio State.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl1_0-TWwII
December 14th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Priesssst! LOL
Don’t know if any one of you heard the post game Raider show on 560 yesterday, but the radio hosts pretty much CUT our favorite Priesst off after he was trying to defend Russell. hahaha
It was some funny stuff.
The radio guys pretty much verified for what 90% of us in here already know of the Priesst…..that he has no credibility and is an Al Davis lap dog.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Great entertainment guys, keep posting…. You guys are generating instant classics…..
December 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
On the very very small positive side… loved seeing McFadden lined up in as a wide out yesterday… Seemed pretty effective too, until Bruce Almighty got both knees busted up. 4-12 we are on our way…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Priesssst! LOL
Don’t know if any one of you heard the post game Raider show on 560 yesterday, but the radio hosts pretty much CUT our favorite Priesst off after he was trying to defend Russell. hahaha
It was some funny stuff.
The radio guys pretty much verified for what 90% of us in here already know of the Priesst…..that he has no credibility and is an Al Davis lap dog.
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LMFAO
December 14th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Dakota,
You nailed it. Davis is just reaching and throwing things hoping it will stick.
He has no clue about the value of top coaching in today’s NFL.
He has no clue on how to evaluate talent.
No clue on building a team
Back in the day, he just went and assembled Super Men and guys with character flaws that others cared about.
now, everyone is practicing “Just Win Baby” Teams don’t cut good players anymore.
Davis is an amateur in the modern NFL…a rank amateur. Sure, he’s the owner and that’s his entitlement…but it sure it tough to follow this trainwreck of a franchise.
The commissioner should step in. It is that bad…but he won’t for obvious reasons.
Just have to ride with it and hope they get luck with the right coach.
Cable has to be fired. He’s a clown…a perfect puppet who thinks he knows what he’s doing. An amateur.
No one would hire this guy. Cable is RUINING THE CAREERS OF BUSH AND DMAC…RUINING THEM! Same with Huff.
His love affair with Fargas is pathetic! “He runs violently” B.S Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson run violently…Fargas just runs into a brickwall and falls down.
But he is a fiery leader…..whatever!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Build your lines this years draft, get a MLB, and not Spikes… Spikes will be a mediocre LB in the NFL IMHO… The Kid from alabama looked better to me.
Dont touch a QB, et a FA bring him in and let him compete with frye, and grad. Cut BRL, he is a fqt slob.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:44 am
# Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Anytime you are depending on guys like Morris, Satele, Green and the out of gas Cooper you are asking for trouble.
Barnes was our big free agent help? What a fukin joke.
……….
Dakota, my friend, you are absolutely correct in calling out the O-line.
The Zone Blocking Scheme is going the way of the Run-N-Shoot. Denver, Houston, and Oakland have all struggled to run and protect the passer on a consistent basis because the league has adjusted to the ZBS.
Leave it to Al to get in on something at the end.
Teams like the Saints, Colts, Vikings, Eagles, Giants, and even the Cowboys and Cardinals all employ road grader O-linemen.
However, even the those teams can’t protect a QB as slow as Russell. He takes 10 seconds to drop back and look at 1 receiver, much less set-up and go through a progression.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:44 am
He’s not super tall but neither is Drew Brees. He’s extremely mobile, smart, great arm with touch, a born team leader, young enough to become a franchise QB, has some time on the bench learning and wants to be a starter in this league. This guy would work well in Oakland. Trade for him.
Troy Smith: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOaA6vQ8DZA
December 14th, 2009 at 10:46 am
After five years of rebuilding I think The Raiders may be better than 3, my bad, 2 teams. The lions and the Browns.
I like the way the Raiders used MCFadden. After Gradkowski went down, so did the Raiders.The Raiders cannot continue to fall apart after bad calls.Bad Karma follow by bad play seem to be the motto for the Raiders.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:46 am
007… i heard that call too.
Made me laugh as he got run,
he sounded delusional.
Which was fairly obvious from his Saturday rants on here…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Raider 75 now that’s a pretty big assumption about Jamarcus and progression. He hasnn’t shown that ability all year.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Mr. Davis actually invented fantasy football…
thats how he runs the ORG as if its a fantasy league team.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
# Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Did you guys see Brandon Marshall break TO’s record for receptions in a game yesterday?
I never thought the day would come where I wanted TO to keep a record, but Brandon Marshall breaking that record is even worse than TO holding that record.
^^^^^^^^^
Oh yeah…what a game by Marshall. 21 freakin catches, 200 yards and 2TD’s.
He went NUTS yesterday and single handedly prety much won my fantasy football playoff game yesterday!
CJ, Chris Johnson went off yesterday…..again!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
He who shall no longer be named, as he is undeserving, (#2) threw as many passes and completions as grads did with half as much production and 3 times as many sacks. The o-line was letting him get killed… I am convinced of this. How deep does your ship have to sink when you PRAY that CHARLIE FRYE will start for you…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Got a question for you guy’s, how did Grads get hurt twice in one game?. Was he hit or was just getting all kinds of protection? He was running for his life the entire game. He’s much more nimble than Russelll no doubt but that’s true of any two people with such a size disparity. That’s why runners are 6′1″ 210 and lineman are 6′6″310 size matters. But ur line was under siege yesterday. Once we got behind and they were able to just rush the passer we were as good as dead. What’s amusing to me is that you idiots think Russell was the reason that took place.
Yesterday we had 12 penalties for ove 100 yards and most were on offense. Yesterday we didn’t tackle and we could run either. Was all of that because of Russell? Yu guy’s are so focused on bashing this kid you can’t see past your own hatred. You’re a bunch of idiots without a speck of insight. We played terrible once we got behind. And we weren’t playing great before that. If Grads wasn’t so nimble he would’ve been sacked 5-6 times that’s a lack of cmpetiveness on the entire team. Once Russell got in there he is a much bigger man who’s physically not as nimble as a small man that’s physics you moron’s. Russell is not the only 6′6″ 270 man who’s not as nimble as Grads.
He’s a pocket passer the same as most pocket passer if you don’t give them time the stink. ALL OF THEM! Tm Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and on and on they need time to throw. No big secret or observation unigue to Russell. Is just that Russell is still learning. Jason Campbell went throew the same identical struggles. he’s just now starting to come out of it.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:50 am
However, even the those teams can’t protect a QB as slow as Russell. He takes 10 seconds to drop back and look at 1 receiver, much less set-up and go through a progression.
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BRl, could never go through progression reads. Doubt he understands that concept. Bricks are smater than this guy, and more useful…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I knew we were going to lose this game. I gave you guys 10 reasons why and everybody thought I was crazy.
Look, we beat teams like Bengals, Eagles & Steelers. great, but we lost to teams like the Chiefs, Redskins & Jets. those big wins mean nothing because we have equally embarrassing losses. we’re not a .500 football team under Cable and/or Russell.
we can blame Al Davis all we want to, but he’s not stepping down.
the only good part about losing Graddy is that maybe now we can re-sign him cheaper. some teams that might have been interested are no longer interested and instead of giving him millions maybe now we’re looking at the vet minimum again.
start Frye against Dungver!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Flash Twit from Ryan Leaf:
“Thank Gawd for JaMarcus Russell. People have finally stopped calling me the biggest bust in NFL history.”
December 14th, 2009 at 10:50 am
bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
He who shall no longer be named, as he is undeserving, (#2) threw as many passes and completions as grads did with half as much production and 3 times as many sacks. The o-line was letting him get killed… I am convinced of this. How deep does your ship have to sink when you PRAY that CHARLIE FRYE will start for you…
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Bottom of the pacific ocean…..
December 14th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Jruss is Ryan Leaf…
December 14th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I would start Lechler or Jnano over Jruss….
December 14th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Priest,
Was JR under pressure when he threw late over the middle for an int? Give it up man.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:54 am
I live near Philly and EVERYONE out hear thinks that Reid and Mcnabb are TERRIBLE. Another quirk not limited to Raiders fans.
I am predicting the following for the Raiders during the remainder of this season till the April draft:
JR will either take a big pay cut or he will be GONE.
There is past precedent though some of you may not remember. Mr Davis admitted he overpaid badly to keep Marc Wilson #6 when the World Football League came along and offered him a big contract.
The Raiders considered Wilson a gifted thrower with NO FOOTBALL INSTINCTS. Sound familiar?
Mr Davis had a hard time with the JR contract in the first place and he obviously was correct. This problem gets fixed this offseason.
Kelly and Warren will take a big pay cuts or they will be gone. Warren will be gone regardless(Sands JR).
Walker will be gone.
That will clean up all of the dead wood left from the past.
We will draft FOR THE LINES IN 2010.
We will not pursue big money free agents.
All coaches remain in place.
Tollner/Hackett/Marshall were brought in to help with this transformation and it has paid dividends.
They will get more time.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:55 am
man, if any of you think any of that loss was on russell, u just arent watching the same game as i am. granted he does suck. he does at this time. but the oline gave up when he came in. horrible oline play. just awful. russell made 1 bad throw. the int. all other throws were perfect. they were mostly check downs and underneath stuff. that in no way was his fault. anyone who says it is, know nothing about football. take ur pick of brees manning brady favre, anybody would’ve struggled with that protection. if u would call it that. that was the most horrible disply of effort i’ve ever seen. ive never been more disgusted with our team. horrible oline. fuggin horribe
December 14th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Sorry Priest… your the ignorant one around here if you don’t see the difference in play between even the most mediocre QB’s and Russell. Russell is the epitomy of scholarship players. The entire team is noticably dejected at the prospect of him taking the field. You said it best yourself, he is a 270LB SLOB of a quarterback. I would agree with anyone who says the Raiders organization have a hand in making Russell what he is… They handed him the keys to the kingdom. At the end of the day though it is very obvious the Russell is in fact OK with that. He has no ambition to get better. By the way… Russell IS a fairly mobile QB, he just doesnt have the ambition to make plays. He chooses to sit in the pocket long enough to eat a sandwich… which is why he gets smeared.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Dont draft a qb in the draft, get a Fa, and let him compete for the job….
Draft a QB, when the rookie salary cap is in place.
Cut BRL, he is a waste of space, take the cap hit, and move on…
Should not take 8 years to “rebuild” a franchise….
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
fuggin quitters.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:58 am
wtf do u mean bcz24. he chooses to sit in pocket. fuggin guy couldnt even complete his drop back. are u guys even watching these games?
December 14th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Facts are BRL, is not a leader of men….
December 14th, 2009 at 10:59 am
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:48 am
He who shall no longer be named, as he is undeserving, (#2) threw as many passes and completions as grads did with half as much production and 3 times as many sacks. The o-line was letting him get killed… I am convinced of this. How deep does your ship have to sink when you PRAY that CHARLIE FRYE will start for you…
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Russell doesn’t help himself either.
Grads is more mobile, makes plays happen with his feet and scans the field better when a play breaks down.
Russell weighs too much and is a sitting duck back there….he is afraid to use his feet and move or he can’t cause he is over weight!
In college he moved well….now he is an overweight statue back there.
Grads makes the O-Line look better than they really are.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:59 am
he played well considering the oline. go ahead geniuses name me 1 qb that wouldve succeeded with the way the oline played in the 2nd half. and they werent that good in the 1st half. but they fuggin quit in the 2nd half. all of them
December 14th, 2009 at 11:00 am
So our oline is all smoke without the mirrors?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:00 am
New Englandraider,
no disrespect bro but JR can’t even do the checkdowns and dumpoffs right. They were high or in the ground. Miller almost died yesterday.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:00 am
hello the guy had no time to do anything. WATCH THE GAME
December 14th, 2009 at 11:00 am
http://twitter.com/fakefatJamarcus
December 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
aig, aside from the int, tell me 1 other bad pass
December 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
NewEnglandRaider… You just defended our point in telling us we are all wrong. The OLine DID give up when #2 came in… why do you think that is? Everyone likes to say Brees Manning or Brady would have struggled with that protection, and your right, but the is nothing more than another point for us. Those three guys play with Heart, Intesity, Intelligence. No Offensive line in football would give up on those guys. Not even ours. Mario Henderson would take a bullet to protect a QB like those guys.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Aig, you idot he was trying to make a play and it didn’t happen. Was he the only QB who trhew an int. yesterday you freakin idiot? QB’s throw ints. when they’re trying to get something anything done. WE couldn’t run he needed to try something. That’s why he stopped and kust started thrwing underneath knowing nothing would come of it. Because dumbass Raider fans like you can’t understand that.
He is very different from most QB’s but if you protect him he can get it done. Yesterday the bear got us it happens sometimes you get the bear sometimes the Bear gets you………….period
December 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
a good leader makes the people around him look better. Grad made the people around him play better and look better. We all know what happened with JR back there. As someone said earlier, same opponent same game 1 half Grad and 1 half JR. Nite and day diff.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Yeah, steak, lobster, bbq, and bling kinda put a damper on the weight thing…. need the extra weight to handle wearing the fur coat, coat is very heavy….
December 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
dmac dropped 1 and there was another that could’ve been caught. murphy i think. would’ve made his #’s 12-16. wtf is wrong with that. with that protection 10-16 is pretty damn good
December 14th, 2009 at 11:03 am
TJ: you got ZERO right to be calling ANYONE an idiot! i heard your lame post game call, you got ZERO credibilty anymore, you’ve played your hand.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Our o-line:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Turnstile.alewife.agr.jpg
Tom Cable’s mess…reason #254 why he will be fired in January.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
when BRL was getting protecting we got the same results from him….nada
Thats why he was sent to the scrape heap…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
It dosent matter….Russell sold his team down the river the moment he stepped into camp the way he did.The whole team was just being considerate and RETURNED THE FAVOR
December 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Priest,
I will spell it for you…..HE WAS LATE OVER THE MIDDLE. He had all the time in the world but he was late over the middle. What was it that Murphy said about Grad…Punctual? Even the commentator said you dont ever go late over the middle. Grad = Puntual. Jr = Late.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:06 am
so if the oline gave up thats jr’s fault? these a holes get paid. and pd well. dont get me wrong, i want us to win no matter who plays qb. my point is u CANNOT blame jr 4 yesterday. think of how much we hate randy moss 4 being a quitter. these guys need to play hard regardless of who’s under center. period
December 14th, 2009 at 11:06 am
why you bafoons still stick up for JR is beyond me. No other team in the NFL is gonna touch that mess once he is cut from the Raiders.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Jamarcus is the problem. He was guaranteed to $38 million dollars win lose or draw… his limited work ethic all but evaporated. I dont blame the Oline for quitting on him… he quit on them the day he was drafted. Jamarcus would make the Saints and Colts look BAD if he was in their backfield. You ARE delusional if you think Bruce Gradkowski is just so good that he makes the line look better. Grads is a mediocre QB at best and he brought in some energy and maybe a little hope. That in and of itself says a great deal about Jamarcus
December 14th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Yeah it says that I would perfer to use lechler, or Jano at QB, instead of using BRL
December 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Kenny Stabler and Rich Gannon played behind tremendous Olines. That gave the time to look over the field but when ever they played against a team that got after them like the Orange crush and othe rdefenses the struggled sometimes badly. I remeber the game when Kenny threw 7 ints. in one game to the Denver Broncos. When Kenny got older and wasn’t as nimble I used to want the Raiders to put in David Humm because he was very nimble. He wasn’t nearly the QB Kenny was but he could run and make plays running of course Madden never did it. But it would’ve helped because Kenny would take a beating when we couldn’t protect him. Especially against Fred Dean and the Chargers Art Shell just couldn’t block Fred Dean.
Yesterday we got our butts kicked in every way…………period
December 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
38 million all spent on bbg, beef, and bling…
commitment to self…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
what is BRL?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
“Yesterday we got our butts kicked in every way…………period”
not until the second half.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:11 am
dude just dont have it mentally. (russell). i give you that. i think with better oline play and receivers that can catch he will be decent. not great but decent. his accuracy and footwork are biggest problems. aside form work ethic. ive stated many times, being from massachusetts i watch a lot of the pats. hoping they lose of cours. point being, tom brady is a 65-70% completion qb. he overthrows or misses moss at least 3x a game. not comparing the 2 at all.qb’s miss throws. i dont know what to say. i am not trying to argue with any of u. we’re all part of the nation and we all want all of our players to do well. i normally dont get mad with loses as ive become quite used to it. but when u dont even try, theres a problem
December 14th, 2009 at 11:13 am
holy shcytt,
Just spotted Jim Otto was at Ricky’s with Jon Gruden. The owner of Ricky’s is on the radio with Gary at Knbr and said this” Jon Gruden told me that all the Raiders have to do is ask”
wow. Jim otto there with Gruden? Otto is an Al guy.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Here is the link to Gruden at Ricky’s.
http://www.rickys.com/photos/index.cfm
December 14th, 2009 at 11:14 am
If JaBigMac starts these next 3 games I suggest mortgaging your house and laying all the money on our 3 opponents to close out the season. We’re playing a decent team (Denver), a bad team (Cleveland) and a mediocre team (Baltimore). If Gradkowski were in there we’d have a shot to win all 3. If JaBigMac is starting I predict we lose all 3 by double-digits. If Frye starts who knows, but I’ll gladly take the unknown over the ineptitude of JaBigMac.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Grads is whatever he turns out to be no one is saying Grads is some great QB but he brings leadership we need right now. But even he is still learning and in the offseason at ‘east they know they can sign him. I say they bring in Mike Vick the organization needs some juice and i think he can provide it. I didn’t wan to see Russell come back this year it’s the worse thing that could happen to him he needed to sit and watch the rest of the year. Now he may have to play.
But Mike Vick is my choice over the next two years.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Thats the whole point I am making. You see 60 minutes on TV and say its the OLine, receivers, running backs fault. Interesting part is Grads was 2-1 with the same Oline, receivers and running backs. You dont see the rest of the week. How can you even say its not his fault. #2 gets out of the other 10 guys on the field exactly what he puts in the rest of the week. NOTHING
December 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
priest ur right. when we had gannon, our oline play was the best. kennedy sims mo collins barrett robins. gannon had all the time in the world to pick the defense apart.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
lmao Dakota!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:16 am
If Mr. Davis is going to retire, That would make all this talk about who to pick as a HC meaning full. Should not take 8 years to rebuild…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
The problem is VALUE.
Relative to his salary JR is very bad and hurts the team.
I realize better than most the issues with the Oline.
I have been preaching line improvement since 2003.
This is about what JR does realtive to his salary.
The Raiders had corrected all bad values on the roster going into 2009.
I felt that Warren and Kelly should have been dealt with last year but they will be dealt with after this season.
Unfortunately JR is now on the poor value list.
It is not just performance but PERFORMANCE RELATIVE TO SALARY.
JR,Kelly and Warren ARE THE THREE WORST VALUES ON THE TEAM.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Do the right thing and ASK HIM AL!
take that cash from JR and hand it to Gruden.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
can we stop with the mike vick stuff. mike vick at his best would complete 50-55% of his throws.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:18 am
new englandraider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:11 am
dude just dont have it mentally. (russell). i give you that. i think with better oline play and receivers that can catch he will be decent. not great but decent.
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No. JaBigMac would be terrible with any cast around him. He’s lazy in selling play-action fakes. He drops back at a snail’s pace. Stares down a single receiver the entire time so the defense knows that’s the only guy he might throw it to and flocks to him. Even when that guy is open JaMarcus fails to pull the trigger on the throw and gets sacked (and fumbles), or, he throws a completely inaccurate pass.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:19 am
JaMilkshake doesn’t have a clock in his head and he doesn’t have any pocket awarness. He goes down real easy for a big man. Look at Ben in Pittsburgh he goes down but not without a struggle. And he holds the ball a whole lot longer. He knows he is going to have to shed a tackle to make a play. Our QB, which was handed the kingdom falls like a leaf in fall. He is a wimp. He is non challant and he has no work ethic. These are the facts. JaMilkshake just sucks the life out of this organizations. I witnessed it all season and if you had your T.V’s on yesterday you witnessed the whole team crumble the minute he started playing.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:13 am
holy shcytt,
Just spotted Jim Otto was at Ricky’s with Jon Gruden. The owner of Ricky’s is on the radio with Gary at Knbr and said this” Jon Gruden told me that all the Raiders have to do is ask”
wow. Jim otto there with Gruden? Otto is an Al guy.
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STFU before you get my hopes up!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:21 am
russell has not had the same players as grad. for the most part gallery was out. chaz was out. corn bread was out. dhb was in. russell has played more with a patched up oline. grads started 3 of his 4 games with our #1 line up as far as the oline goes. he hasnt played with the (SAME) players. in his 9 starts, we started 5 different line ups on the oline. and dont forget he was also throwing to darius heyward scissorhands
December 14th, 2009 at 11:21 am
You can always improve yourself. Any way, shape, form or fashion, before you point the finger.
I will work my butt off to be that guy
I always prepare like I’m that guy. If my number is called, then I’ll be ready.
“Work hard, that’s all the time. You got to do that on your own. That’s going to be part of the workout plan anyway.”
Q: What are people going to see when you hit the field again?
Russell: A totally different JaMarcus. People going to have their opinion, and I really don’t pay too much attention to that. I worry about JaMarcus and JaMarcus only.
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Jamarcus on Thursday (above) …
is that what you guys saw from Jamarcus on Sunday?
I saw one more turnover, his 15th of the season. he still on has 2 TD’s on the year
December 14th, 2009 at 11:22 am
chris, i love most of your posts. do u watch the games?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:22 am
VanHeathen Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Do the right thing and ASK HIM AL!
take that cash from JR and hand it to Gruden.
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Seriously. Great idea.
JaMarcus is due $9.5 million next year. Cut his azz and give that money to Gruden. That alone should take care of Gruden’s first two years’ salary.
I think Al could maintain final say over the draft and free agency but Gruden should get final say over the 53-man roster. That’s all Gruden wanted back before he got traded anyway. Just wanted to be in charge of the 53-man roster. Al can still have a major role in the draft, scouting, free agency, etc.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:24 am
i thought i heard some where that gruden could not coach in nfl next season as per his contract with espn. is that accurate?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:24 am
new englandraider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:22 am
chris, i love most of your posts. do u watch the games?
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Yeah, I’ve got the Sunday Ticket from DirecTV. Just so I can watch the Raiders. Best and worst $300 I spend all year.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:24 am
EVERYONE who has anything to do with the team was there, Otto, Flores, Papa, Willie Brown, etc. Looks like coach got the ‘heroes welcome” , lot’s of ‘welcome home’ signs all around.
Al, get Cable to drive you to Gruden’s Hotel and make a freakin’ deal happen…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:25 am
You dont think a 50-55% passer that would likely contribute 700-800yds rushing would be a MAJOR upgrade over Russell? Vick never had any decent receivers in Atlanta. His best receiver has about equal with Louis Murphy. Schilens is a tough possesion guy, and Miller is an excellent TE. DHB has nothing left but to get better. He can not get any worse. Vick easily has as good an arm as Russell, light years better with his mechanics and ability to read a field. The #1 difference though that would make Vick better, hes Hungry, he has a reason to play the game again that doesnt involve 100’s of millions of dollars.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:26 am
can any of u please point me in the right direction. im trying to get my father a lyle alzado or matuszak jersey. any ideas aside from ebay. i bought an alzado off ebay and the jersey was old enought to vote
December 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Al says he’d rather be wrong than consistant.
if thats true, will he quit the consistant losing and hire a qualified HC like Gruden?
just admit it Al. you were wrong for trading away Gruden!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Dakota,
not joking punk. go to the link yourself. I guarantee you Al Davis sent Jim Otto over to check out Gruden’s interest. Gruden bought 34 jersey for his crew. Ricky’s owner confirmed that Gruden said all Al has to do is ask.
You get your Gruden. I get my Grad. Call it even.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
You guy’s are full of crap, he dpoesn’t go threw procession it’s OK to say who you prefer to play it’s personal preference but if you think saying all this dumb craap is going to get to the coaches. they know what Russell does and doesn’t do and they will start the player they feel comfortbale with. So all you overblown lies about whta Russell can and cannot do only hold water in here with the rest of these idiots.
Russell is a young up and coming QB and the coaches have already said they are happy with his progress now that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t play Frye. He hasn’t had all this negative stuff happen to him and I think he deserves a shot but that’s the coahes decision. Not you idiots with all your dumbass rhetoric and lies. There wasn’t much that kid could’ve done under those circumstances. It wass a bad situation to put him in.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
new englandraider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:24 am
i thought i heard some where that gruden could not coach in nfl next season as per his contract with espn. is that accurate?
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That is what Adam the Shafter said on the radio the other day.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
yeah chris i hear u man. 250 plus 99 bucks for the super fan package. every year. equals out to like 80 buck per victory
December 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Let me ask you all this? With Gradakowski you felt like we had a chance to win. Do you feel that way now. Knowing JaMilkshake is going to start?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
You guys are crazy if you can’t see that Gradkowski is the next Brees. He is where Brees was when they drafted Rivers. Then Brees went on a tear and the Chargers went 12-4.
Brees is about 6 feet tall. Mobile in the pocket. Studies like crazy. Fired up in the huddle and on the field. Supports all teammates. Gets super pissed when he makes the littlest mistakes.
Is Gradkowski anything like that?
Grad is about to blow up. And we should benefit from it. Only the real football people can see this. Not some weekenders screaming for (LMFAO) Troy Smith.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
hey dakota, are u gonna vote for the name i glossed ur baby? NOMAR BUSH DAKOTA
December 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Frye was our best QB in camp & OTA’s according to Jerry Mac …
even better than Garcia & Gradkowski.
play the man!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Dakota,
not joking punk. go to the link yourself. I guarantee you Al Davis sent Jim Otto over to check out Gruden’s interest. Gruden bought 34 jersey for his crew. Ricky’s owner confirmed that Gruden said all Al has to do is ask.
You get your Gruden. I get my Grad. Call it even.
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Done deal.
Although, I saw some clip about NFL training camps and they showed Gruden at training camp and he was all over this poor QB….at the end he yanked the QB off the field and gave him the eye of death…that QB was G-ski, lol. So I don’t know how much faith old Gruden would have in him, lol.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Deep within the bowels of the Legion of Doom (Oakland Raiders Headquarters – Alameda, CA), the Supreme Commander of the Silver & Black ponders the catastrophe that is the 2009 season.
In walks starting quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, joining Davis and Head Coach Tom Cable, who has a very sheepish look on his face.
Gradkowski: Hey, Coach! Mr. Davis.
Cable: Hey, Bruce. Have a seat.
Al: Silence, fat boy! Hey, Bruce. Have a seat.
Cable: How are you feeling?
Gradkowski: Great. Knee’s a bit sore but I’m ready to rock in Denver. Did I read in the paper that I have a torn MCL? That’s rich. Just a bruise really. Those media guys are really full of it, huh?
Al: You do have an MCL tear.
Gradkowski: No, really it’s fine.
Davis pushes a button, and with the hiss of hydraulics, the bookshelf in his office slides open to reveal Assistant Executive John Herrera, wielding a Louisville Slugger.
Gradkowski: Hah, man I heard you guys were different here in Oakland, but man, this is rich. You guys crack me up. But seriously, coach, let’s talk about Denver. I’ve been noticing their over-pursuit. I think if we can buy some time, I can make some plays with my legs.
Al: You have an MCL tear.
Gradkowski: Mr. Davis, really, I’m good –
Herrera, a deranged look on his face, whacks Gradkowski’s knee with all his might. An audible crack echoes all around the facility, followed by the agonizing scream of young Bruce Gradkowski.
Al: Good work, John. After you check the wire taps, bring JaMarcus in here.
Herrera: Mr. Davis, it’s 3 o’clock, he’s at In N Out for his regularly scheduled “Double Dose of Double-Double.”
Al: Dammit, I thought that was at 1?!
Herrera: Um, yeah, 1 o’clock as well.
Al: Call him, will you? Tell him we have his marijuana cigars and white women waiting.
Herrera: Yes, Mr. Davis.
Al: Also, call Amy. I want the results of the survey for the season ticket holders. I need a good laugh.
Herrera: Yes, Mr. Davis.
As Davis, Herrera, and Cable walk out the office, they have to step over Gradkowski, who is lying on the floor, still moaning, racked with pain.
Al: Pick yourself up, will you? My god son, have some self respect.
Cable: Sorry, kid.
Later at the press conference….
Cable: We’ve spoken at length with JaMarcus, and he is reformed, rested and ready to go Sunday. He’s really got his head in the game, folks.
Reporter: Really? ‘Cause I just got a tweet from my cousin who works at In N Out, and apparently Russell has just set a record for most Double-Doubles consumed in the span of a minute, with thirty eight.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:30 am
anyone alzado or tooz jersey. help please
December 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am
new englandraider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
hey dakota, are u gonna vote for the name i glossed ur baby? NOMAR BUSH DAKOTA
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That is a funny one, but MLonetree’s Howie Worthy Dakota is still the front-runner.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I bet at least 9 out of 10 Raider fans who purchased a JaWalrus jersey wish they could have their money back.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Yeah Priest,
The NFL was a bad situation to put JaMarcus Russell in.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:33 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:25 am
we dont need no stinking Gruden move along
^^^^^^^^^
Gruden is EXACTLY what this team and dysfunctional organization need to become functional and relevant again actually.
Al Davis is too stupid to realize this though!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:33 am
cmon man. we’re both lakers fans, both raiders fans. what gives? i think kobe ought to have surgery and miss the three weeks. he shot poorly the other night. what do u think?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:34 am
How am I telling lies about Jamarcus? Why are you calling me an idiot? Have you ever seen Jamarcus play football. He wears $8,000 diamond earrings ON THE FIELD! He is 270lbs! He doesnt even TRY to make plays. He finds Zack and throws it to him, regardless of whats going on on the field, or he just stands there until he gets anihilated. The only way you could EVER make #2 look like a respectable qb is by having a respectable qb wear his damn jersey to the game!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Dakota,
Grad was a young guy then. I find it hard for you to bash him when he played for Gruden in his rookie season. You said you dont get to watch the Raiders much. If you did and you were objective about it, you’d notice these things in the past 3.5 games.
1. Decision making has been SOLID. Only 1 int that Higgins bumbled in the Dallas game.
2. Good Leadership. You can see that his guys played harder for him as compared to how they reverted back to JR’s leadership.
3. Accuracy. when he has throwing lanes, he has been deadly accurate.
You can’t ask for much more than that. Grad is a younger Garcia. Gruden would love to have Grad back there. He can win for him in his WCO. Garcia was fantastic in his 49ers days.
if Gruden comes back, Gruden would get his terms. 1. Own coaches. 2. Bruce Allen.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Oh. now it, ‘was a bad situation to put him in”…
Listen, TJ, you cana’t have it both ways, with your “fact” that he’ll play better, with all the extra work he’s putting in, and then call it a bad situation.
He had 15 minutes during half time to get it together, not that he shouldn’t have been ready to go anyway, “1 play away” and all…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:38 am
KNBR’s Gary Radnich (not a big fan Radnich myself) just had Rickey the owner of Rickeys in San Leandro on.
Rickey said that Gruden himself told him that “all Al Davis would have to do is ask” for him to return to be the coach of Raiders.
Rickey is not lying and I doubt Gruden is either.
If the stubborn delusional old man Al really wanted to WIN again and get the fans excited and show up to the stadium again…..then he would hire Jon Gruden back…..but the old man is a dumb old idiot and doesn’t care about turning things around and truly winning again.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:38 am
AL get in the car…get over to Gruden’s Hotel, apologize, open checkbook, right this ship…he’s got Juice around here, that you’ve long since misplaced…
Hell, hemight not even make you aplogize.
Look at the photo’s on Rickey’s website…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:38 am
guys i was wrong rusell 1st 9 starts there wasnt 5 different oline line ups, there was 7
December 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am
JaMarcus’ stance for the last few weeks was that he was preparing like he was “That Guy” and would be ready to go whenever his number got called.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am
new englandraider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:33 am
cmon man. we’re both lakers fans, both raiders fans. what gives? i think kobe ought to have surgery and miss the three weeks. he shot poorly the other night. what do u think?
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Yes I think he should have surgery…he should have had his pinky fixed instead of going to the olympics too imo. Lakers first…USA second lol.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:40 am
last year we knocked Houston & Tampa Bay out of the playoffs.
this year we might have an opportunity to knock Denver & Baltimore out…
I hope teams write us off before the game is played.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:41 am
pears barnes and cornbead at rt. morris at center, satele at center. gallery at lg, morris at lg. not enough continuity there. we need oline help. whether its grads jr frye or saint nick, we need a center a rg and a rt.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:42 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Rickey said that Gruden himself told him that “all Al Davis would have to do is ask” for him to return to be the coach of Raiders.
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Now this statement needs a donation to be put on a HUGE Billboard on 880.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Priest and New Englander have you ever thought that the O Line was trying to help out the Nation. By not blocking. And helping JaMarcus to the sideline faster. They lost all confidence in him. Period.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Priest we all know you gonna defend JaMarcus down to the white meat, but the D-linemen for the Redskins said that when JaMarcus entered the game it was like the water boy slipped ground viagra in their Gatorade.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:45 am
I will finally concede that Jamarcus Russel will never be the Raider’s franchise QB. The best thing right now for Russel would to be either cut or traded for a low round draft pick. Hopefully he could sign on somewhere that has a stable environment where he can actually learn how to play QB. Maybe he will be revived like Jim Plunkett was.
This will be just another in a long line of devastating blows to this team brought on by Al Davis’ inability to run a professional football team.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
AlDavis Stopwatch Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:42 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Rickey said that Gruden himself told him that “all Al Davis would have to do is ask” for him to return to be the coach of Raiders.
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Now this statement needs a donation to be put on a HUGE Billboard on 880.
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Now that would be a smart Billboard and I would contribute to that in a heart beat. No other fan base will love Gruden the way we love him.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
dakota, the pinky was a lil different. although they say kobe has had previous avulsion fractures that he’s played thru, he looks as though he is in a great deal of pain. was also sick the other night. we’ll see 2moro. my guess is he plays until xmas and if it doesnt improve he will have surgery. he is a warrior. think of how many times we’ve heard… so and so cant play 2note because they got a sore throat. a sore fuggin throat. ur playing ball not giving a fuggin speech. who cares about a sore throat
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
You JR apologists were better off when the kid wasn’t playing, now your arguements hold no air whatsoever.
Grads, played w/ the same patchwork line, and his game was able to adapt.
JR’s game is ‘Statue of Liberty w/ an errant pass’ and the chances of any O-line forming to protect that are slim…
expect more of the same, you’ve been hoodWINKed, baby!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Charlie Fry, Charlie Fry, Charlie Fry. Let’s grant Priest his wish and give JMilkshake more time to prepare. Like all offseason and all of the next season too. I am done with Jmac after yesterday.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:22 am
VanHeathen Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Do the right thing and ASK HIM AL!
take that cash from JR and hand it to Gruden.
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Seriously. Great idea.
JaMarcus is due $9.5 million next year. Cut his azz and give that money to Gruden. That alone should take care of Gruden’s first two years’ salary.
I think Al could maintain final say over the draft and free agency but Gruden should get final say over the 53-man roster. That’s all Gruden wanted back before he got traded anyway. Just wanted to be in charge of the 53-man roster. Al can still have a major role in the draft, scouting, free agency, etc.
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I just called in Radnich on KNBR and said the same exact thing on the air about an uncapped year next year and restructuring down or cutting Russell since he is due an overpaid 9.5 million and using 5 million of that money to hire Chuckie Gruden back!!
Then Gruden can get Vick to compete with Grad
It all makes sense too most of us in here….but Al Davis is too stupid, dumb, delusional and egotistical to do it!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
hey Dark,
you sounded pretty good compared to Priest yesterday on the radio. Kudobs bro.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Josh McCown is a free agent next season.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am
*kudos
December 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am
new englandraider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
dakota, the pinky was a lil different. although they say kobe has had previous avulsion fractures that he’s played thru, he looks as though he is in a great deal of pain. was also sick the other night. we’ll see 2moro. my guess is he plays until xmas and if it doesnt improve he will have surgery. he is a warrior. think of how many times we’ve heard… so and so cant play 2note because they got a sore throat. a sore fuggin throat. ur playing ball not giving a fuggin speech. who cares about a sore throat
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He is one of the toughest SOBs to ever play in the NBA, so we will see. We should be okay with Ron-Ron taking up the scoring slack if Kobe has to sit a while though…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:50 am
ghost, no one is helping by not playing hard. u give the effort no matter what. i’ll say it again JaMarcus Russell SUCKS. that being said there is no excuse for the oline quitting. is that why moss quit, to protect andrew walter. or protect the nation from andrew walter? these guys make crazy jack man. they need to do their jobs regardless of who they’re playing with man. are you happy with the way the oline has played 85% of this season?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:50 am
John Kitna, Chad Pennington, Jake Delhomme, Tarvaris Jackson are also available. But, I bet you anything Davis signs Rex Grossman.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:51 am
There are 2 guys in here that are completely BLIND to the fact that no one cares what #2 did yesterday. The damage was done when he couldnt be bothered to make training camp when we drafted his punk a$$. He doesnt care to improve on what he does control, work ethic, weight, knowledge of the playbook, timing with the receivers. He chooses to blame everything and everyone around him. His few supporters enable him with the same ignorant rhetoric. Yes I agree the OLine should feel absolutely ashamed oh how they played yesterday, but you dont think there is a reason they have gotten to that point? Jamarcus is reaping what he sowed.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Gruden likes to collect QB’s
maybe we’ll have Garcia, Gradkowski, Russell, Tebow, Vick & Frye compete for the starting job?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
back to work. later gents!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:53 am
actually grads didnt play with a “patchwork” oline. 3 of his 4 starts were with our projected preseason oline henerson a lt gallery at lg satele at c coop at rg and cornbread at rt. those are our starters. how many times did jr play with the ”STARTES”? AND I AM NOT DEFENDING RUSS, I AM BASHING OUR HORRIBLE OLINE THAT FUGGIN QUIT
December 14th, 2009 at 11:54 am
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
hey Dark,
you sounded pretty good compared to Priest yesterday on the radio. Kudobs bro.
^^^^^^^^
Cool…I have been calling radio stations for 12 years now. Started calling the great Pete Frankilins shows when I was a late teen early twenties and then called in all the time talking Raiders or anything else when I moved to San Diego. Moved back here 2 and half years ago and still do. I call mostly Tony Brunos show at night and I used to call JTBrick…..I sometimes call Tolbert and Barberi because I’m off work by then.
Haven’t called to much recently….but plan on calling Tonys show and rip Tigger Woods and laugh with Tony! LOL
December 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am
VanHeathen Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
You JR apologists were better off when the kid wasn’t playing, now your arguements hold no air whatsoever.
Grads, played w/ the same patchwork line, and his game was able to adapt.
JR’s game is ‘Statue of Liberty w/ an errant pass’ and the chances of any O-line forming to protect that are slim…
expect more of the same, you’ve been hoodWINKed, baby!
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Spot on. I am glad that that happened yesterday. When Grad went out, it was like ok now watch this circus. It proved the point that JR is worthless, a POS with no skills to be a NFL QB.
It also drove the point home and put the nail in the coffin for him. I really don’t think he will be around next year.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Thanks BCZ24 I will not post again today. I defended JaMilkshake all year saying he was young and needed time. But, yesterday when he came in the game. It deflated the whole team. Offense and Deffense. I don’t think anyone can argue that. Unless of course they couldn’t watch the game. Go Raiders.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Personally I’m starting to agree on one thing. Russell needs to move on to brighter pastures. This place is way too toxic to groom a young QB you’re way too impatient. You want great auccess right away and that is very improbable. The fans here are not nearly as sophisticated and knowledgable as we used to be. This generatiion of fans are insufferable. Your ignorance is beyond anything I ever imagined.
You can have it,if this is what you’ve become I’m done as a fan wiyth any of you. I’ll still support my team in my own way but as for talking and communicating fools like you guy’s I’m done.
My last comment is I sincerely hope we trade and get Russell somewhere far from here.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:58 am
BCZ24 i am in no way a russell supporter. yes he is a mental midget. yes his work ethic is poor. i agree. what im saying is in regards to our oline. period. i want our qb to be the one who gives us the best chance to win. obviously its not jr. we need help on the oline. maybe jr can play rg
December 14th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Cable Tolner Hackett are doing as well as can be expected with this team.Next year will be better.I just dont see any “for cause” against Cable
December 14th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Dark,
I listen to tony bruon at nite here in Memphis. Will keep an ear out for your calls. That tiger is an idiot man. If you gonna cheat, be a better cheater is the way I roll. What she doesnt known doesn’t hurt. Goes vice versa.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Priest you preaching patience like you’re 10 yrs old. Most of us on here ain’t got that kinda time.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
4evaRaider, Cable needs to be fired because he is terrible at calling plays, using talent in the right situations, he is a puppet, assaulted one of the most talented coaches on the team, and is a wife beater.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
But Dark…no worries I wont ask you to be my Facebook friend like SuperCharger yesterday though….lmao.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Dear Jaruss after yesterdays performance i can honestly say you are the worst nfl qb ive ever seen yes you r worse than ryan leaf alika smith to even say you r an nfl qb is an insult to nfl qbs restructure your contract or quit do something with a little dignity because you obviously dont care about football it shows in your diet and the way you practice i never miss a raider game but i will not watch another game if you r the so called qb
December 14th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Give Gruden his terms and bring back Bruce Allen again. Then let Gruden deal with his buddy Any Reid in Philly and trade a 3rd rounder for Vick to compete with Grads to be the starter next year.
Restructure down (way down) Russells contract or just cut him since next year is an uncapped year.
These decisions would be smart and wise and would bring EXCITEMENT back to the organization, team and fans of the Raider Nation. The fans will show up….what else does the looney old man Al Davis need to this??
His cronies like Herrera don’t want it to happen because they know they might be out of their overpaying job! LOL
December 14th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
priest i agree with most of ur posts, however u shouldnt call people idiots for stating their opinions. we r not all gonna agree. we can go back and forth and defend out posts. thats fine. if anybody is a fool, its all of us that have been supporting this team thru good and bad. mostly bad. as ive stated b4 i was born in 1980 so aside from the gruden years, its been very difficult being a life long raider fan. that being said, as long as directv will have nfl sunday ticket i will continue to watch every game. and will be a raider fan til the day i die. just like all of you
December 14th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
But Dark…no worries I wont ask you to be my Facebook friend like SuperCharger yesterday though….lmao.
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Yeah sure whatever….
December 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Give the Ravens a 2011 2nd round pick & JaBustus for Troy Smith. He’s a QB that could make an instant impact in Oakland.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOaA6vQ8DZA
December 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I can see this coming….
Al sends Otto to ask Gruden what he thinks about returning. Gruden said I would love it with my own coaches and Bruce Allen. Otto says let me talk to Al.
Al says have Gruden call me…
Then Al goes to the presser and says that it was Gruden calling him wanting to come home to begin with…..
anyone who knows Al knows this is how it would have to throw down.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
You gave me a good idea Aig. I think I may start a facebook site for this blog. Then we can all be friends.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Dark,
I listen to tony bruon at nite here in Memphis. Will keep an ear out for your calls. That tiger is an idiot man. If you gonna cheat, be a better cheater is the way I roll. What she doesnt known doesn’t hurt. Goes vice versa.
^^^^^^^^^
You ever call in to the talk shows?
December 14th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
That is the most promising and beneficial thing I have ever read from you priest. Good riddance to blind ignorance.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
jon gruden CAN NOT coach an nfl team in 2010. i repeat jon gruden can not coach in the nfl in the year 2010. i wish we could get him back. and its weird that he made the comment of all al has to do is ask. im sure he knows his contact better than us or shefter. but why was it reported he cant coach in 2010? maybe there’s a loop hole or something. i’ll tell u guys one thing, we get him back, we go to playoffs his 1st yr back. guaranteed. all of his teams played hard from start to finish
December 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Give Gruden his terms and bring back Bruce Allen again. Then let Gruden deal with his buddy Any Reid in Philly and trade a 3rd rounder for Vick to compete with Grads to be the starter next year.
Restructure down (way down) Russells contract or just cut him since next year is an uncapped year.
These decisions would be smart and wise and would bring EXCITEMENT back to the organization, team and fans of the Raider Nation. The fans will show up….what else does the looney old man Al Davis need to this??
His cronies like Herrera don’t want it to happen because they know they might be out of a job! LOL
December 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
new englandraider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
jon gruden CAN NOT coach an nfl team in 2010. i repeat jon gruden can not coach in the nfl in the year 2010. i wish we could get him back. and its weird that he made the comment of all al has to do is ask. im sure he knows his contact better than us or shefter. but why was it reported he cant coach in 2010? maybe there’s a loop hole or something. i’ll tell u guys one thing, we get him back, we go to playoffs his 1st yr back. guaranteed. all of his teams played hard from start to finish
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I find it hard to believe that an analyst wouldn’t be able to take a head coaching job if a offer came in that he couldn’t refuse. I don’t think Gruden would make a deal like that….but who knows…..BSPN’s contract with Gruden may need to be bought out or something.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
DK,
No I dont call into shows. Never did it before and just dont have the patience to wait for it. But I do enjoy sportstalk and can’t stand shows like Jim Rome or a bunch of those afternoon bspn guys though.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
if you look back in history ( not comparing world affairs to a game but….) there are defining moments and situations that throw a repressed and neglected societies into revolutions. I think this season is that catalyst.
At least I f-in hope it is.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Raiders Grief Counselor Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
You gave me a good idea Aig. I think I may start a facebook site for this blog. Then we can all be friends.
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I’ll be up for that.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
im agree dark knight. however it was reported on espn that he could not coach an nfl team in 2010. they just said on ksfo that grads is done for the season. and they will talk about chucky. soon. i got to go to the docs tho. so hopefully im wrong. bring back gruden
December 14th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Whats wrong priesttj? Picking up your ball & bat and leaving us? Are you tired of nobody buying what your selling? This is the best news since your left tit Oakglen left. Now this blog will be village idiot free.
G’bye and thank you for leaving!
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# priesttj Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Personally I’m starting to agree on one thing. Russell needs to move on to brighter pastures. This place is way too toxic to groom a young QB you’re way too impatient. You want great auccess right away and that is very improbable. The fans here are not nearly as sophisticated and knowledgable as we used to be. This generatiion of fans are insufferable. Your ignorance is beyond anything I ever imagined.
You can have it,if this is what you’ve become I’m done as a fan wiyth any of you. I’ll still support my team in my own way but as for talking and communicating fools like you guy’s I’m done.
My last comment is I sincerely hope we trade and get Russell somewhere far from here.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
DK,
No I dont call into shows. Never did it before and just dont have the patience to wait for it. But I do enjoy sportstalk and can’t stand shows like Jim Rome or a bunch of those afternoon bspn guys though.
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Yeah Jim Rome is overrated and just horrible. The BSPN talk shows are just as annoying and terrible. They are wussies over there at BSPN, most of their radio shows, do not take phone calls.
Stupid huh?
December 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
my bad, wasnt ksfo was khtk
December 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
dk,
The afternoon shows on BSP show like otlieb and van pelt (spelling) is so all about me me me me…i went here and I was thinking htis….bla bla bla..
foxsports and sportingnews are so much better.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Jerry,
Now that these two tits oakglen & priesttj have checked out can we get the locks changed ?
Sincerely,
Mistabrown
December 14th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Priest,
You are so ridiculous. No one requires that JR be a “great success right away.” All we want is progress to be made, not the horrible regression we’ve seen from him this season. Anyone who couldn’t see the difference in QB play yesterday is blind. For me, there are two reasons I have written of JR, he is completely missing three ingredients every good QB must have innately and cannot learn: leadership, accuracy, pocket awareness.
And BTW, Gruden can tear up his contract with ESPN anytime he wants and go coach in the NFL, in fact he had agreed to a contract with NFL Network…when he changed his mind and went with ESPN.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
priesttj Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Personally I’m starting to agree on one thing. Russell needs to move on to brighter pastures. This place is way too toxic to groom a young QB you’re way too impatient. You want great auccess right away and that is very improbable. The fans here are not nearly as sophisticated and knowledgable as we used to be. This generatiion of fans are insufferable. Your ignorance is beyond anything I ever imagined.
You can have it,if this is what you’ve become I’m done as a fan wiyth any of you. I’ll still support my team in my own way but as for talking and communicating fools like you guy’s I’m done.
My last comment is I sincerely hope we trade and get Russell somewhere far from here.
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Priest
Leave and don’t let the door hit you in the ASS!!!
You continue to call any Raider Nation Comment here in this blog as, ignorant and as you always say “we don’t know what is going on in Alameda” I could care less how many times you’ve been to the facility or who you snuggle with, I care about the Raiders and the continued losing of seven consecutive seasons.
Your defense of Jamarcus has no credible thought, you need to start thinking with your brain and not your heart.
I heard your voice on the post game show with Atkinson and David Humm. Did you hear Humm say “Jamarcus does not have it” he then followed with this nugget, “you can’t have it through training or watching film it must be part of who you are and your personality” he went on to say ” the team looks like they don’t believe in him”(jamarcus). This is a ex- Raider QB who should know what “it” is.
You continue to call the comments in here stupid, morons, nuts and all other childish names you can think of. Your argument is always the coaching staff knows what their doing or Jamarcus needs more time.
I was at the stadium yesterday, were you? If you were there, the whole stadium first booed Jamarcus and the fans and the players just gave up. The players definetly showed in body motion and their lack of interest was definetly noticeable.
The fans, behind me, left right after half time immediately, and were gone with many others. No one has any hope, faith or good feeling about a QB who has no CARE OR PRIDE.
You can’t teach leadership, or pride it comes from with in. Also the strongest arm is a liability to any NFL team who can’t believe in their QB. My question to you is, why was Jeff George never able to command success in the NFL. George was a number one draft choice, had a strong arm, yet never had any team or players believe in him, sounds like what Jamarcus is today.
Men, and in this case players follow leaders, not playboys.
The man can’t move, he is a sitting duck with his overweight body, lack of foot work and his lack of defensive recognition of the opposing team.
Priest, defend him as you wish, just stop calling us names, because we don’t agree with you.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Alright everyone, I just started a facebook page for this blog. You are all free to join. Here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/pages/IBAs-Raider-Blog-Fan-Page/369443335446?created&v=wall
December 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
hehehe, nice profile pic.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Nobody wants him but you! Whats his trade value? A hot bag of burning grease ?
LMAO
priesttj Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
My last comment is I sincerely hope we trade and get Russell somewhere far from here.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
priesttj Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:49 am
He’s a pocket passer the same as most pocket passer if you don’t give them time the stink. ALL OF THEM! Tm Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and on and on they need time to throw. No big secret or observation unigue to Russell. Is just that Russell is still learning. Jason Campbell went throew the same identical struggles. he’s just now starting to come out of it.
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First off priest. Despite your comments about Gradkowski and the O-line, Grad had 158 yards in the 1st half and had a lead at one time.
He was also driving at the end of the half until he got hurt. Maybe a FG then cuts it to 17-13 before half.
JASON CAMPBELL DID NOT GO THROUGH THE SAME IDENTICAL STRUGGLES.
Russell had a 52 QB rating in 5 games his first year, only throwing for a little over 300 yards
Campbell had a 76 in 7 games his first year and threw for 1200 yards and 10 TDs
Russell and Campbell both had 77 QB ratings their second year(Russell starting 15 games, Campbell 13), and both threw for around 2500 yards. Both also threw around the same number of TDs and INTs.
HOWEVER, Campbell was sacked 10 fewer times his 2nd year and had TWICE as many Rushing Attempts (38) as Russell (17).
Campbell came back his 3rd year (Last Season) and had an 84 QB rating with 3200 yards and 13 TDs to 6 INTs.
His rushing attempts INCREASED to 47 and he was sacked 38 times (In 16 Games).
Russell came back his 3rd year (This Season) and has a 52 QB rating with 1100 yards and 2 TDs to 10 INTs.
His rushing attempts are about the same (16) and he has been sacked 30 times (In 10 Games)
Campbell averaged 2.9 rushes per game and 2.3 sacks per game his 3rd season.
Russell is averaging 1.6 rushes per game and 3 sacks per game.
RUSSELL IS LESS MOBILE, GIVES UP MORE SACKS, AND CANNOT GET OUT OF THE POCKET.
By the way, Campbell has INCREASED his QB RATING, COMPLETION %, YARDS, YARDS PER GAME, YARDS PER ATTEMPT, and TDs each year in the NFL.
So they are not very similar at all.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Raider75 dont throw facts at priesttj he knows more than you and those facts!
Haven’t you seen that skill set Russell has?
No? Me either..
Its pretty simple priest likes Russell because his skin color, pretty safe to say he doesn’t like a white Qb like B Gradkowski even though he made us respectable when he replaced JaBeefalo.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
yeah great profile pix.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Gruden’s not coming back. Al will never give a head coach the type of contract that Gruden would demand. Gradkowski’s gone after this year. He’s better than Russell, yes. But that doesn’t matter to Al. Al wants Russell to succeed. Al NEEDS Russell to succeed. Otherwise, Kiffin wins. Russel aint going anywhere. Gradkowski will get dumped off somewhere for a draft pick and some cash. It’s almost as if a lot of you are in complete denial as to who your owner is and what he’s all about. You guys are making wish lists based on the idea that we have a normal owner who wants to win.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
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December 14th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Just out of pure curiousity, but why do you spend so much effort continuously posting the same garbage RMR? We all KNOW Al is a crappy owner who has lost touch with the game. If you are SOOO positive that nothing will ever change why on earth are you still a fan, posting on fan message boards? Why bother?
December 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Troy Smith? We may as well trade for Willie Beamer.
December 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
what better way to put the raiders back in the new than rehiring gruden?? it ill NEVER happen though. al doesn’t like it when something or someone outshines him. plus, if chucky did come back and revive this team, he’d be gone in 3-4 years just like the first time. NO ONE STEALS AL’S THUNDER.
on the jamarcus front: JR will never be an NFL qb. NEVER!! i know he plays for the raiders, who have zero track record for producing qbs, but he has clearly gotten worse since his rookie year. he has all the talent, but no head on his shoulders AND zero work ethic. being an NFL qb is a tad more than just signing a contract and throwing bombs.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Willie BEAMAN
Keeps the ladies screamin!
December 14th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
# AlDavis Stopwatch Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Troy Smith? We may as well trade for Willie Beamer.
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What’s your problem with Troy Smith? He’s mobile, a good accurate passer with touch, has leadership abilities, a good scrambler when need be, has a very successful college background, and most importantly, is beter than anything currently on our horizon. His only downside from what I can se is his height. But, he still taller than Drew Brees so we shouldn’t hold that against him. The Ravens don’t really need him and he’s not damaged goods like many of the mentioned QB prospects are. Check him out on You Tube before you write him off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOaA6vQ8DZA
December 14th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
This blog by far is the best place for laughter…..
Keep uum going guys….
December 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I don’t care if the other players don’t like playing with JaMarcus! They get paid an s-load of money to play a GAME! A fukking donkey could be playing qb and I would expect nothing but 110% effort from EVERY PLAYER and coach on the roster/staff.
I pay thousands of dollars for season tickets, essentially paying these fukkers salary and for what? For them to give up like a bunch of little girls becaue they don’t get along with the qb?! Bullsh1t!
I have worked with plenty of people that I didn’t care for or get along with and for much less money I might add. Did I quit? Hell no!
The entire Oline stinks!
December 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
# morilla Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
“but Al forcing a bad black QB into the lineup is where they draw the line. LOL.”
No, I don’t see that at all. People are just fed up, it’s been too long.
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I know people are fed up. But how long it took them to become fed up, and the circumstances which finally led to them being fed up, when they should have been fed up 3 years ago, are what I’m talking about. The Raiders have been an absolute worthless franchise for 7 years now. Sucked, sucked, sucked. Year after year, showing no signs of becoming a real competitive team. Yet the Davis loyalists always found something to be confident in. Now, they’ve give up, and in the middle of a season. When JaMarcus Russell gets thrown back into the lineup. There’s something about Russell that has finally pushed even the Davis loyalists over the edge. After a parade of bad quarterbacks, I’m just not buying that it’s Russell’s ability alone. Anyhow, it’s all speculation. I just think it’s funny. Either way, Russell’s not going anywhere. Al needs Russell to succeed to show up Kiffin. It’s his highest priority right now. Do you honestly think Al Davis held that gigantic news conference with the overhead projector because he DOESN’T stay up late at night thinking about Kiffin?
December 14th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
# MTraidernation Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
JB Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
A GOOD Black QB beats a BAD Black QB everytime – TROY SMITH is who we should go after.
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let me correct that for you:
a GOOD QB beats a BAD QB every time.
jamarcus russell and troy smith’s attributes AND shortcomings have NOTHING, ZERO, NADA to do with the color of their skin!!!
what year is it again????
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You are 100% correct. I only phrased it that way in a response to an earlier comment. It certainly was NOT intended to infer that skin color has anything to do with ability. I was trying to emphasize good vs. bad which is valid. Apologies if it offended anyone.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
A facebook page focusing on me? Thanks for the attention.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Its not about you MR, you are just the first topic of discussion since you are the heart of this blog.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Regardless of rather or not the Russell hate is racially motivated, he’s staying here. Gradkowski’s gone after this year, probably Cable too. But Russell is staying. I dont’ care if Gradkowski comes back into the lineup and just lights it up. He’s gone. Russell stays. Russell is Al’s guy, and Al’s not giving up on him. Imagine the crow pie Al Davis has to eat the minute he gives up on Russell. He drafted Russell NUMBER ONE OVERALL. You guys pretend he just picked Russel up off of waivers somewhere. If that were the case, of course he’d be gone by now. He would have been gone after last year. As long as Russell is starting for the Raiders, Al Davis can still say that one day Russell will turn the corner. And he’d rather do that, forever, than face the fact that Kiffin was right and that he, again, was wrong. He won’t do that. This is too big. Number one overall pick, the whole situation with Kiffin… Russell stays. End of story. When we’re going into week one next year and anyone is our starting QB other than Russell, let me know. Because you know it will be him.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Thank you. I’ll admit, I like attention. Think I’d spend this much time here if I didn’t? The more you guys think about me, the funner this is. Making me a topic on your facebook page speaks volumes as to how much of an impact I have in here, like me or not. I’ll take it.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
We should be a top 5 pick this year again. If Ndamukong Suh is available take him, otherwise we need POWER Road Graters, not ZBS:
O-Tackle
O-Center
O-Guard
MLB
O-Tackle
O-Center
O-Guard
December 14th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
disagree, russell did nothing to endear himself to this team as a leader or otherwise.
He is not a leader of men, period.
Jruss is an allways will be the Black Ryan Leaf….
December 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I would not be surprised to see Al Davis bring in Mike Vick as an “established starter” to play ahead of JaMarcus and “mentor” him for a few years, especially if Tom Cable stays on as HC. Cable has some history with Vick in Atlanta and he always speaks VERY highly of him.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I don’t care if the other players don’t like playing with JaMarcus! They get paid an s-load of money to play a GAME! A fukking donkey could be playing qb and I would expect nothing but 110% effort from EVERY PLAYER and coach on the roster/staff.
I pay thousands of dollars for season tickets, essentially paying these fukkers salary and for what? For them to give up like a bunch of little girls becaue they don’t get along with the qb?! Bullsh1t!
I have worked with plenty of people that I didn’t care for or get along with and for much less money I might add. Did I quit? Hell no!
The entire Oline stinks!
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I agree, the Oline does stink, but I don’t think they “quit” per se.
Dejected, yes. Exercise in futility? Probably..but I think we have to consider human nature, and see people who still try, and give their all, but seem resigned to the inevitable.
After the play? You can see the dejected walk back to the huddle after JR makes a mistake/gets sacked..but during the play? Can’t imagine everyone just “giving up”
I suspect part of it has to do with the defense stepping it up, realizing “we can get to this guy. Grad was more elusive, so stay in your lanes, but with JR, put pressure, and he makes mistakes” so they seem to step it up.
Quitting was what Moss did, IMO.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Raider Dogg, that’s possible. But no matter what, Russell stays. And I don’t really see the Vick thing coming through. I think Al is more concerned about showing up Kiffin than anything right now. Do you guys honestly think Davis held that giant news conference, overhead projector and all, because he doesn’t think about Kiffin late at night?
December 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Thec, what does Russell not being a leader have to do with his status as a Raiders QB? Al Davis doesn’t even believe in leadership, team chemistry, things like that. He believes in players just showing up and playing, and he believes Russell is a “great playah”. So, “get over it”.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Come on guys, quit with the “black ryan leaf” or “black qb” crap. If JR is another Leaf, then he’s another leaf.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
If you Mr. Davis at what point do you say, enough…
I am done, I need to retire, I am hurting the franchise… I need o move out of the way…
December 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Thec, what does Russell not being a leader have to do with his status as a Raiders QB? Al Davis doesn’t even believe in leadership, team chemistry, things like that. He believes in players just showing up and playing, and he believes Russell is a “great playah”. So, “get over it”.
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MR, we played this game allready…Not interested.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Ricochet
Moss is a PERFECT example of quitting on his team. When I said the guys quit yesterday I was really responding to what many have said here about the entire team quitting as soon as JaMarcus came in. I should have been more specific as to whom I was referring. Mario Henderson gave up 4 sacks in the 2nd half and Cornell Green looked overmatched in the 2nd half as well. Maybe they didn’t give up and they just sucked wind the second half, either way they suck!
Excellent point about human nature in certain situations. Body language speaks volumes.
Louis Murphy, on the other hand, appears to have no quit in him at all! I like this kid…
December 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I don’t care if the other players don’t like playing with JaMarcus! They get paid an s-load of money to play a GAME! A fukking donkey could be playing qb and I would expect nothing but 110% effort from EVERY PLAYER and coach on the roster/staff.
I pay thousands of dollars for season tickets, essentially paying these fukkers salary and for what? For them to give up like a bunch of little girls becaue they don’t get along with the qb?! Bullsh1t!
I have worked with plenty of people that I didn’t care for or get along with and for much less money I might add. Did I quit? Hell no!
The entire Oline stinks!
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Fuggin WELL SAID, Dogg.
I just can’t get with this quitting stuff man, for all the reasons you say. 110% effort on every play from every player regardless of what is going on around them.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
LOL at you guys running Priest out here. My man is going down with his JRuss ship like a good captain should.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
MR
My thought is that Al Davis probably thinks he can ressurect Mike Vick’s career and save face in the process by doing so.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I heard BHP on the radio last night, dude has some passion! They were kind of laughing at him, telling he should run for office with that passion. I kind of felt sorry for the guy, he obviously cares A LOT! He seems like a good guy though, always been cool to me anyway.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Ja-christmas-turkey looked like exactly that on Sunday.
Priest..”Russel is an up and coming qb?” Are you out of your stinking mind?! It is quite obvious to every Raider fan on the planet that he simply does not have the mental tools to be an NFL quarterback. Grads looked like he was on his way to another 300yd game..then Jaxmasturkey comes in looks likes today’s version of Dante Cullpepper. but atleast Cullpepper can read a defense.
I’m not sure we should get rid of Cable. I like his old school attitude..But we for sure NEED AN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR! Keep Cable, get an o-coor, cut Russel, sign Grads and another vet QB, draft middle LB, RT, DL and we should see progress!
December 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Just imagine, if we had of built our lines the last 2 drafts???
December 14th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Dont draft a qb in the draft, get a Fa, and let him compete for the job….
Draft a QB, when the rookie salary cap is in place.
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I said the samething last night.
No point in drafting a top 10 QB this year since big money will have to be paid…..again to an unproven rookie.
Especially since this dysfuntional organization and team can’t develop a rookie QB properly.
No drafting a young QB in the top 10 until a rookie salary cap is in place or unless they draft a QB after Round 1.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I agree, the Oline does stink, but I don’t think they “quit” per se.
Dejected, yes. Exercise in futility? Probably..but I think we have to consider human nature, and see people who still try, and give their all, but seem resigned to the inevitable.
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I don’t think the team quit either, but they surely resigned themselves to the inevitable once those sacks started piling up. The first 2 drives were actually decent until Mario got beat for sacks. Once Russell got hit from the back twice and the boos starting piling up, it was O-V-E-R!
We all know Russell isn’t a nimble guy by any means, but the fact that the Oline ADMITS that they can’t block for the guy, is INSANE. An Oline begging for a Mobile QB speaks VOLUMES to me. Like New England said, the first two sacks that Henderson gave up to Russell backside were very un Mario like. There was a sack up the middle from some dude where there was just no getting away. I think Russell created at least 2 of the sacks later on because of happy feet.
The oline was an unmitigated disaster yesterday. Got the starting QB killed, open no running lanes, and this was all without Haynesworth on the field.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Ahh Ja Christmas Turkey….lmao
December 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
would trade out of the top pick, for this years draft anyway, unless we had a chance at getting SUH, but as we know, We are looking at 5th, SUH will be long gone.
Give that pick to a real NFL franchise….
December 14th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
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December 14th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Mario Henderson is the lineman that hurt Grads. The big fella fell right on him. Talk about getting blown off the ball, holy crap!
December 14th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Wassup Thec!
Agreed man! Hindsight being 20/20, the lines would have been a good way to go. I think we’ve been ignoring it b/c of the coaching belief in the ZBS and how it only needs marginal line guys.
I sure would love to see a power blocking scheme next year.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Thec
Brandon Spikes may be available at 5, I would be VERY HAPPY with that pick. Suh will go 1 or 2.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
JB,
Willie, I mean Troy’s height doesn’t concern me. It’s his body of work in the NFL. Are we supposed to Limo him in because he won the Heisman and had a better interview at the combine than JaMarcus?
JaMarcus is so bad that our standards for his replacement is (drumroll) Troy Smith?
I’ll take a guy who has many starts, studys like hell, has proven guys will listen and play hard for him, and has won games over tough teams with the chicken salad he has to play with.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Whoah – sorry about that fellas –
Mistaken cut & paste!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Wasted or Bust Picks
DMAC – Wasted Pick, redundancy as we had MBUSH
JRUSS AKA BRL – Wasted Bust Pick, not a leader of men:
DHB – Bust pick….
We build the lines the last 3 years we would be looking at Dez Bryant, or Gillyard at WR. Either of who are head and shoulders above DHB.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
For all those who think the O-line is not good enough…
The Colts have had 10 years and 89 picks in the draft since they selected Peyton Manning.
They have chosen 0 linemen in the first round and only 2 in the second round.
Yet Manning is annually among the league leaders in fewest sacks allowed.
I guess it pays to know what you’re doing on the field.
JaMarcus is completely useless.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Jhill, what up Bruh? survival of the fittest, unnatural selection, as in BRL was not in shape, but recieved 38 mil for his troubles, what a trooper…
December 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“I just can’t get with this quitting stuff man, for all the reasons you say. 110% effort on every play from every player regardless of what is going on around them.”
Jhill
It’s downright sickening isn’t it? How many guys in the CFL/UFL/AFL2 with plenty of talent look at guys like Randy Moss and just puke. Some scrub somewhere is seeing guys quit and cursing as loud as he can in disbelief while he’s getting ready to go schlepp somebody’s bags around at the airport!
December 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Am I overlooking Brandon Spikes on Kipers draft board? I didn’t see him listed in the top 25 guys.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
New Post!
December 14th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Thec
Brandon Spikes may be available at 5, I would be VERY HAPPY with that pick. Suh will go 1 or 2.
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Dogg a lot of people are sold on him, i am iffy on the guy. doesnt seem to be on the ball all the time. took some bad angles in the bama game, Like the kids, from bama, and South Carolina better.
We should have taken Cushing or Maualuga.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
“I just can’t get with this quitting stuff man, for all the reasons you say. 110% effort on every play from every player regardless of what is going on around them.”
Jhill
It’s downright sickening isn’t it? How many guys in the CFL/UFL/AFL2 with plenty of talent look at guys like Randy Moss and just puke. Some scrub somewhere is seeing guys quit and cursing as loud as he can in disbelief while he’s getting ready to go schlepp somebody’s bags around at the airport!
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I can’t help but think about Kurt Warner bagging groceries and and driving to arena league games.
I’m sure that experience grounded his feet to the floor. Too bad JaMarcus never went through that experience. Never had any trial that he had to push through to succeed. He was pampered, and groomed for the pros because of the physical talent he showed.
Maybe he should walk back to Alabama at the end of the season. Gain some perspective and fortitude. Have a Forrest Gump moment.
December 14th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Moves that should be made for this pathetic Raider franchise but won’t because Al Davis is stupid:
1A. Restructure down Russells contract or cut him since he is due an undeserved amount of money in an uncapped year next year and use that money to hire the guys in 1B below:
1B. Hire Holmgren as GM/Personnel Man and Hire Jon Gruden as Head Coach
2. Hire Bruce Allen as the capologist
3. Let Holmgeren and Gruden talk to their buddy Andy Reid in Philly about trading for Vick or Kolb to compete with Grads as the starting QB in 2010.
4. If they get a top 6 pick in round 1, then try like heck to trade down! If they can’t trade down…and if they can’t draft Suh, then look to draft MLB Spikes, OT Campbell or DT McCoy.
5. The draft should be focused on upgrading the O and D lines and LB corp.
If the looney old Al man makes all these moves that mentioned above then he actually might have a chance at seeing the team reach a Super Bowl within 3 years or before he dies.
If the stubborn delusional old man Al doesn’t make any of these hires and moves, then the team will continue to SUCK!!
It’s simple…..but to Al Davis it isn’t so simple….because he is a senile, stubborn egotistical old man, who only cares about himself.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
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