Frye could get the nod
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, December 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Reading (or listening) between the lines Monday, it’s hard to come away with the impression that coach Tom Cable wants to go into the last three games of the season with JaMarcus Russell at quartertback.
Give him credit for not offering up a company line and insisting there’s been some grand change in Russell in the three games since he lost the starting job to Bruce Gradkowski.
Cable could have said:
“We really feel good about having JaMarcus back in the lineup. He’s gone above and beyond the call of duty in terms of preparation, appears to be taking his job more seriously and is turning it loose at quarterback. He played very well at Denver last season and we expect him to do so again.”
Instead, Cable said this:
“I think certainly I’m going to look at what the options are and again as I told you before I’ll do what’s best for this team, what gives us the best chance to win. Right now, it’s to figure out where Bruce is at here in the next 24-48 hours and then make that decision.”
Reality check: Gradkowski is a quarterback who thrives through mobility and has one torn MCL and one partially torn MCL. He’s not playing against Denver.
And this:
“You know after looking at it on film, I see some things that are the same. I think that there’s a couple things he did that were good. Again, I’ll look at all that here in the next 24 hours because if we’re heading towards a decision at the quarterback spot, then I pretty much do diligence in all those things and I’ll sit down and look through everything again.”
You wonder where Al Davis comes out on all this. At one point, he liked Frye enough to have him up to the office for a talk when he came for a visit early in free agency (although Frye didn’t sign until much later).
But Davis certainly wants Russell to begin achieving his potential, and there are three valuable lessons to be had.
Those three “lessons” could be the last games of Cable’s Raiders head coaching career if they go down without a fight.
Frankly, the Raiders didn’t put up much of one Sunday after Gradkowski went out of the game. Russell got almost no protection, and if you were to put Russell-Frye to a secret ballot as to which quarterback gives the better chance to win, the Raiders’ actions on the field against the Redskins suggest it would be Frye in a landslide.
Russell didn’t talk with reporters after the game, although Comcast SportsNet Bay Area managed to get a couple of minutes while Cable was addressing the press and before the quarterback made a hasty retreat.
“It’s kind of different coming in, and not starting,” Russell said. “Best thing to do is just let the game come to you, don’t force anything. Couldn’t get too much going. That’s basically it. Nothing else to be said, just couldn’t get nothing going.”
Asked if about his protection and the six second-half sacks, Russell said, “I don’t know, but I say everything is my fault, so I’ll put it on me, maybe. I could’ve stepped up a different way to protect those guys, but that’s what happened.”
Cable didn’t deny there seemed to be the entire team seemed to sag once Russell got in the game _ whether it was Russell’s fault or not.
“Potentially I guess there was,” Cable said. “I really didn’t feel that because you’re so into what you’re doing and all that. When you look at it on film, we look like a different team but to put that on them that way, I don’t want to do that. We’ve got to step up and all play better. That’s really the bottom line here.”
More Monday news and notes:
– Zach Miller walked past in an off-limits area of the Raiders facility, carrying a folder which had diagrams of the human brain on the outside. In his postgame press briefing, Cable said Miller had a stinger. He said Monday it was a concussion.
Miller also had a concussion on Oct. 4 against Houston.
“We’ll be as cautious as we have to be, and what I mean is we’ll protect the athlete and do all the testing and due diligence in terms of his return,” Cable said.
Cable said he thinks the league will take a close look at the hit by Rocky McIntosh without the Raiders having to send in the film as evidence. And he was pleased to see safety Mike Mitchell and cornerback Louis Murphy take exception to Fred Smoot’s celebration near the fallen Miller.
– Could be another week without rookie first-round pick Darrius Heyward-Bey at wide receiver. The improvement in his foot sprain has been “minimal” and Cable said he was day-to-day.
– Safety Michael Huff is day-to-day with a stringer and hopes to make it through the season.
“I first did it in Dallas, and then I reinjured it in Pittsburgh. I finished the Pittsburgh game, I finished the Dallas game, so I can play with it,” Huff said. “I just have to make it through these last three.”
– Wide receiver/return specialist Nick Miller will run on a machine this week and hopefully will soon graduate to grass. Is it possible Miller will make his debut in the Raiders season finale against Baltimore?
– The Redskins got to Raiders quarterbacks, and Russell in particular, with a Cover 1 defense in which any player that had a responisiblity to cover a back or tight end immediately became a pass rusher if those players were held in to block.
“Every pass play they can extra guy on you,” Cable said. “So it’s a matter of getting it out of your hand out there.”
– Defensive end Greg Ellis played well in Cable’s estimation and the hope is he can make it through the next three games. Ellis said afterward he has not thoughts of retiring and is committed to keeping his promise to Cable and Davis to help get the Raiders turned around.
Defensive end Richard Seymour, in the final year of his contract and potentially locked up with a franchise tag, said being with the Raiders if and when they become a good team would be gratifying, but noted, “Obviously that’s the business side of the game. As we all know, I thought I was going to be in New England last year and six days before the season I’m here in Oakland. You never know what happens so I’ll just let those chips fall where they may.”
– Cable shrugged off a pass interference call against Stanford Routt (Santana Moss fell and Routt tripped over him _ not exactly the textbook definition of a PI) as part of the game. Cornerback Chris Johnson said he understands the game is not set up for cornerbacks to succeed.
“If they’re going to call it like that, it may as well be touch football,” Johnson said.
Johnson laughed when asked if defensive assistant and Raiders Hall of Famer Willie Brown talked about playing cornerback in the true bump-and-run days of the American football League.
“He said he would like just get up and choke them,” Johnson said. “I’m like, ‘You can’t do that no more. You do that you’ll surely get flagged.’ We try to play the rules of this game. He tries to get us to do what he did back then. I said, ‘Nah, that ain’t going to work.’ ”
– A welcome sight _ Darren McFadden getting 74 yards on two snaps on the ball, one on a slant, the other on a slant-and-go, both against former SEC nemesis LaRon Landry (LSU).
“Just felt great to get out there and at least rip off a big play, whether it was running the ball or receiving, it just felt good get that in and get out there, move the ball around to me a little bit, felt good to move around out there,” McFadden said.
– McFadden and Justin Fargas both said Michael Bush, who never saw the field on offense has been accepting his reduced time like a professional.
Bush chatted amicably with reporters Monday about college basketball, but politely declined to discuss his current role with the Raiders.
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December 14th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
yep
December 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
First?
Russel sucks!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
After the game Flores asked him if he considered putting Frye in and he admitted that he considered it but decided not to.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Sounds like AD has plands to trade Bush. I certainly hope not but I wouldn’t put it past AD to make a move like hat. Tioo bad. Another crappy decision if in fact he makes it.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
I’m so disgusted at this “drop in level of play” theory. I would have much rather seen Russell have time to throw and miss guys so all we have to worry about is replacing the QB.
Now, do you really think Al is going to blame Russell and cut him with that offensive line performance? Al is going to blame the line, and replace those guys instead of Russell. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Al toss the Oline coach out with the rest of the trash.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
JB
Bush getting no reps is ridiculous! Almost like it’s payback for Bush going on ESPN and pumping up Gilbride to be coach instead of Cable.
Fargas should be a backup a best. All that fire he runs with does not produce starters #s. Then again, behind this Oline, who would.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Here is what needs to done again below:
Moves that should be made for this pathetic Raider franchise to be respectable again but won’t because Al Davis is stupid:
1A. Restructure down Russells contract or cut him since he is due an undeserved amount of money in an uncapped year next year and use that money to hire the guys in 1B below:
1B. Hire Holmgren as GM/Personnel Man and Hire Jon Gruden as Head Coach
2. Hire Bruce Allen as the capologist
3. Let Holmgeren and Gruden talk to their buddy Andy Reid in Philly about trading for Vick or Kolb to compete with Grads as the starting QB in 2010.
4. If they get a top 6 pick in round 1, then try like heck to trade down! If they can’t trade down…and if they can’t draft Suh, then look to draft MLB Spikes, OT Campbell or DT McCoy.
5. The draft should be focused on upgrading the O and D lines and LB corp.
If the looney old Al man makes all these moves that mentioned above then he actually might have a chance at seeing the team reach a Super Bowl within 3 years or before he dies.
If the stubborn delusional old man Al doesn’t make any of these hires and moves, then the team will continue to SUCK!!
It’s simple…..but to Al Davis it isn’t so simple….because he is a senile, stubborn egotistical old man, who only cares about himself!
December 14th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
John Madden, was on the Myers/Hartman radio show earlier today..
He was asked if he thought Russell could turn it around, ala Vince Young. Madden said: “Is doesn’t look promising.”
He also said, that went into the game after Grads got hurt: “That it looked like Russell hadn’t practiced at all, during the week. Looked unprepared.”
December 14th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Who are our backup Olinemen?
Can we start Walker at RT, Morris at C, and bench Satele and Green? Try Green at LG or something.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Madden also so that he and Al used to go round and round, over draft picks…
Madden wanted linemen, and Al wanted….wait for it..
cornebacks!
December 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
JHill, this team sloped to let JR go down, no doubt, showed where their coming from, and was hoping he got hurt. This is a sorry state of Raiders affairs. sounds like Cable was in on it.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
if Frye starts, i’m gonna watch. If Russell starts, I’ll tivo and watch if we win. Not gonna waste my time watching Jabuffoon look stupid out there.
Jhill, i like you bro but you gotta stop making excuses for JR. JR had all the time in the world on that int. He took forever to go through his read and by the time he committed to it, Schilens was not open anymore. I’m a firm believer that a good play vs a bad play is separated by less than 1 sec.
Here’s an example, in the 49ers SB over the Bengals. That TD to Jerry Rice to win the game was barely over the outstretched hands of the DB. Had Montana been late by 1 sec, the Bengals are SB champs.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Hey Aig, hope all is well..
December 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
We went in the crapper right after that b.s. call on that punt play, that the refs jobbed us on…
Went into the cesspool when Russell came into the game…
December 14th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
LA/Bay….
Lo effin L…good stuff!
December 14th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Can someone kidnap AD during the draft next year.
Raiders need to draft linemen, linemen, linemen, linemen and more linemen that way the odds of getting at least one good lineman looks good.
Speaking of JaMarcus … I would bet my last dollar if JaMarcus had 5 seconds to throw the ball … he would still complete less than 50% of his passes with Reggie Wayne and Wes Walker as his WRs … that’s how bad he is.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Kinda hard to do with four bodyguards!
December 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
If Frye starts Sunday then JRs days in Oakland are officially numbered.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Truth be told, not one of our Passers has a chance, our O-Line is Last in the Collage ranks, let alone the pro’s!
December 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
JHill, this team sloped to let JR go down, no doubt, showed where their coming from, and was hoping he got hurt. This is a sorry state of Raiders affairs. sounds like Cable was in on it.
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It’s sad man! I can’t believe it has gotten to this.
This is the MAIN reason I kept saying Russell should be 3rd on the depth chart if there were really lessons for him to learn. 1 snap away from being on the field? I just can’t understand why Frye wasn’t #2 if Russell has truly lost the team. Cable is clueless! Why would he put Russell in if he knew the team wouldn’t play for him?
December 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I was so excited about being at the colisium yesterday, I was on the elevator going up to the suites didn’t acknowledge Al’s presence! He had four bodyguards with him.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
LA to TheBay
roflmao
December 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
raidertay Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
If Frye starts Sunday then JRs days in Oakland are officially numbered.
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You mean if Frye starts Sunday and WINS, right?
If Frye starts and we lose, Cable’s days are the ones that are numbered.
I just want someone to give me ONE example of Al Davis falling on his sword and admitting he was wrong in terms of decisions HE has made? Just ONE example?
Javon Walker still being on the roster should tell you all you need to know about Al and his “folks”.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
JHill, he’s just doing his Job, anudder follower!
December 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Jhill, i like you bro but you gotta stop making excuses for JR. JR had all the time in the world on that int. He took forever to go through his read and by the time he committed to it, Schilens was not open anymore. I’m a firm believer that a good play vs a bad play is separated by less than 1 sec.
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Making excuses for Russell? When did I do that?
My complaints about the Oline play has everything to do with the first half when Grads was playing, and for Henderson allowing himself to get our true starting QB knocked out of the game.
At the same time, I agree with Raiderdogg’s post 100%!I don’t care who is playing QB, those guys are getting paid a lot of $ to give 100% of every down. To quit, or have a “let down” in play because they don’t like the guy they are playing with? That’s unacceptable, IMO. If some of you disagree, it’s cool, no beef here.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
“Nothing else to be said, just couldn’t get nothing going.”
One criteria for picking a franchise QB: Choose somebody who doesn’t slaughter the English language every time he speaks.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Gallery & Henderson the only 2 linemen to keep. If we can get a POWER road grating LT then move Henderson to RT. Need badly a Barrett Robbins type center. NO MORE ZBS. POWER A$$ kicking line only.
Someone earlier asked about our backup O-linemen. WE DON’T HAVE ANY worth keeping. ZBS has made quality power linemen an unnecessary commodity. We need to almost start from scratch.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Jhill,
I think you were pointing out that JR didnt have time. You are right he didnt have time. But the few times that he did he didnt do anything, especially that one int. I’m glad JR came in rather than Frye yesterday cuz it puts all the argument to rest about JR.
We know our line is avg at best on a good day. On a bad day, they are really really bad. what we saw with Grad was that he was able to elevate the poeple around him. he bailed them out time and again in Cinci, Dallas, Steelers and yesterday. What we do know is that JR cannot elevate the plays of the people around him.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Yo 860,
What up brother! Good to see you on here man. You heard about Gruden at Ricky’s right. My hunch is Al sent Otto over to get a take on Gruden’s interest.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
JHill,
AD said he was wrong when he fired Art Shell the first time.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Well AD did say he was fond of Gruden in the last presser.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Aig, I dont think it is gonna happen, sorry bro, my only opionion.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
AIG,
Again, I will say that I agree with you on Russell, but like you said he didn’t have time to do anything and it just snowballed from there.
I’m NOT glad Russell came in yesterday. The fans booing like that, the team realizing it had no chance without Grads there to cover up their flaws. I hope I never see anything like that again. This is worse than 2006, and I thought I would NEVER see anything worse than that.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
end the jacarcass era now. send him & his sizzurp act back to alabama.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
M,
I was referring to who he puts on the field.
You’re right about Shell though. But was that at the PC where he rehired him that he admitted he was wrong, or did he do it before that?
December 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
860,
been suffering so much one can only dream brother…even though it’s a distant dream. We are fans at the end of the day. My hunch is if Cable is gone, Al will bring back Gruden. Take it to the bank. …..Feel free to chop my head off now though cuz you know I’m dreaming….
Jhill,
2006 was very painful. that 2nd half was the replica of 2006. Al Davis needs to be forced to make a decision at some point. Having JR putting up that performance I think might have forced his hands. We will see though. Never seen a team quits on a guy like that before. Not even Jeff George.
December 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
got to run boys. Good to see you guys on here as always. Be on later.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Jamarcus as we know too often seemed to take the no. 2 starting role as seriously as he did the starting role. You have to wonder is JR even prepared to backup or just thought Eff it I’m not the starter.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Al, get Cable to drive you to SF,
be waiting outside the Press Booth at the ‘Stick and get Jon to sign.
Don’t care if you have to kidnap him,
get him BACK!
He’s the only guy who would come in here w/ enough ‘Juice” to rally players and the fan base. It would help our season ticket sales…cuase you arelosing those by the bunch every game right now…
December 14th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
It sounds like Bush was a Kiffin guy and Bush is being punished for that. Maybe thats why McFadden was drafted even though we had Bush?
December 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Priest – What was it you were saying about Cable being optimistic in how JR has improved? If he felt that way, why would he consider putting Frye in there instead?
– It wasn’t exactly a vote of confidence for Russell that Cable conceded he gave some thought to playing No. 3 quarterback Charlie Frye in the second half and wanted to wait until Monday before saying who would start for Gradkowski in Denver against the Broncos.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
crazy thought… couldnt McFadden become our Wes Welker? and stop using him as a Rb entirely???
I want bush back in the game!!
See ya guys tomorrow, hitting the sack now….
December 14th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Only if:
• JaBustus gets his walking papers
• We can get a quality HC like Gruden
• We can lure a quality QB to Oakland
• AD would dedicate the next draft to O-linemen & MLB
• We solve our LB problems
• We could get rid of all scholarship players
• We could get rid of all the track stars
• Only draft/recruit FOOTBALL players
• Nick Miller could heal-up and start playing
• We could get last year’s ST coordinator back
• We could dedicate DMac to slot receiving
• We could get Bush & Fargas featured as the RB duo
• We could get AD to let the coaches do the coaching
• We could have decent scouting for the draft
• We could have a real GM
• We could return to greatness
December 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
JB – Impossible!
December 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
JaMarcus thinks – “Umm… Frye… Mickey-D time! I’m lovin’ it Greg Papa!”
December 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Otto said on the radio that Gruden told him, “all Al has to do is ask…”
Ask him Al, right the ship,NOW!
December 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Well if Frye starts then that’s pretty much it for JaMarcus. I really don’t have a problem with Frye hey he can’t do any worse but if they put him that’s it for russell. You just can’t go back to him for any reason now
December 14th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
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# 24 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
JB – Impossible!
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Yeah, I know but one can dream. Gametime, out for now.
December 14th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
why do so many raider fans want mike vick ? i mean seriously , he sucks!!!!!!!!
do u guys even watch football?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
About Bush: I could care less if we traded him. He is no physical runner and goes down just as easy as JaMarcus. Lets get something for him. Cable doesn’t know how to use any of our backs but a new staff would most likely get the same results with Bush. He’s just a big teddy bear. If he ran like Natrone Means then we would’ve never drafted DMac.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
VanHeathen – Are you serious? What radio station?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
doriangray Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
do u guys even watch football?———————–
No, we watch the Raiders.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Running backs like Natrone Means don’t last very long. Overly physical. Eddie George didn’t last long and now Marion Barber is slowing down too.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
I just want someone to give me ONE example of Al Davis falling on his sword and admitting he was wrong in terms of decisions HE has made? Just ONE example?
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I think Jovan Walker is somewhat of an example.
If Jovan is healthy, he says he is, and Al wanted him to play, he would play. He may not start, but he would not be inactive.
Jovan got paid for nothing, and Al isn’t trying to get anything for it. If he gets cut this offseason, it was move on and move out.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Vegas Raider – Javon.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
lol…..Javon
See he isn’t even around enough for me to get his name right.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
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December 14th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Vegas Raider – And thats surprising since he obviously likes Vegas haha.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
If they give that catch to Fitz, Louis Murphy might throw the remote through the TV.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
About Jon Gruden:
I believe Gruden wants to Coach us and I bet he even lowered his demands regarding personnel. He will still want market value salary. Al will hire a guy for a second go round. And Al feels good that when Gruden left he got major compensation for him and can get him back for nothing.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Vegas,
Jivin is still on the team man. Al Wouldn’t let him retire.
And that SHOULD be a catch for Fitz just like Murphy’s should have been!
What a fuggin catch by Fitz! Wow!
December 14th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Vegas,
didn’t Al admit he was wrong about firing Shell the first time. Or was that sorry about firing Shell?
December 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
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December 14th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
About our 1st rnd pick:
We not picking high enough for Suh, so I would make a play for Mt. Cody. He has about 100 lbs on Russell but his athleticism is in another stratosphere compared to Russell. He can dunk a basketball while Russsel can barely clear a sheet of college rule loose leaf. Plus in short yardage situations: goal line, 3rd and 4th and short, you know what time it is. Fridge Perry II. Cody would make our garbage LBs look good.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Jhill,
Jovan Walker is stricty a matter of business right now, there is no football involved.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
504,
Wassup man!
After yesterday’s performance and Gallery’s injury, I’m more convinced than ever that we need to focus on the Oline the first 3 rounds.
We need a LG, C, RG, and RT in the worse way. Even a QB as mobile as Grads can’t hold up under what we currently throw out there.
I was looking at roster on Raiders.com and the only other G listed on the roster is the guy we just brought up from the practice squad. We have 4 OTs on the roster that include Erik Pears, Khalif Barnes, and Cornell Green. That’s literally all we have to choose from.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
504,
I’m all for Mt. Cody. Top 10 might be too high though wouldn’t it?
I know last year he was considered late first-round before he decided to come back to school.
Don’t forget the block kicks!!
December 14th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Vegas,
What do you mean by that? He could have let him walk just like Wilson, Harris, and Hall.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
We might be able to snag Suh …
We won’t win another game and we are currently picking 5. KC wins one more game and we will pick 4th.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
504,
Cody would be a huge addition. However, I am not as optimistic on our Mike LB. I ahve seen him overrun his gaps many times when all he has to do is plug his hole. We need an instinctive Mike.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
I think Al needed the salary cap relief for an extra year, so he “renogiated” with Javon.
Too much dead space for the cap. Just my guess, I could be way off.
The point is the guy never plays, and he says he is healthy, and our WR’s have been bogus this year. Cable gives rambling nonsense about Javon, and Walker just kind of toes the company line and doesn’t say much.
Seems “fishy” as Moss would say.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Whoa Vegas,
That actually makes sense. Good call man. That means they can cut him next year and not ahve the hit. Not bad. Not bad.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
St Louis, Cleveland, Detroit and Tampa Bay all will pick in front of us.
I couldn’t fathom even ONE of those teams passing on Suh, better yet all of them.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
The whole Walker situation has been bizarre from day one almost.
Did anyone really believe that he got some surgery in some unknown place?
December 14th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I can’t either Vegas. Was thinking we might be able to trade up from 5 to 2 or so.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Raiders and the front office make sh*t up all the time!
Mysterious injuries LMFAO!!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
What a catch and run.
(Sigh)
December 14th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Vegas,
The Walker situation is strange indeed. But I can actually see it in that they wanted to roll with DHB, Murphy, JLH, SChillens, and Watkins. Early on, you know the plan was heavy Schillens, DHB, Murphy, and JLH leaving Walker on the inactive list.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Crabtree > DHB
December 14th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Vegas,
I’m off CB/KR in the first round. Bring back Routt!
Draft Oline if we can’t get Suh. Also, Oline in rd 2, AND bring in a 2 solid vets.
Did I mention Oline with one of the picks in round 3?
December 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
JHill,
You are right, but Al wanted to roll with those guys because he was already over Javon. That’s my point all along, Al gave up on Walker, less than a year after giving him a HUGE contract.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
So Jason Campbell is a free agent next season…what did everyone think of his play lastnight?
December 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Between 1 second and two 3rd’s, you can get a true RT and a G.
In baseball you are supposed to be good “up the middle” (C, P, 2nd, SS, CF)
Same thing in football. Our C, LB, QB, RB….I mean those might be our worst positions!!!
If a top 10 pick is a LT, most likely Mario will leave as a FA, and than we will end up replacing a guy with a rookie who makes more and might not be better. Sound familiar?
I have always wanted LB in the first round. Most logical choice.
The CB/KR was more if we might have made it out of the top 10. I still like Arenas from ‘Bama, he is going to be good.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
I see your point Vegas.
Well let’s hope there is a 2nd time, lol.
I just don’t see it happening though. Him getting cut that is.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
The Phillies are close to trading Cliff Lee? He was great in the World Series…why would they do that?
December 14th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
You guys all have great ideas for the draft…If I could, I would hire you but guess what? None of these awesome ideas are going to happen.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Madden wanted to draft linemen, Al Davis wanted to draft cornerbacks.
That, in a nutshell, is why we suck.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Ain’t that some sorry sh*t.. Raider fans know more about drafting then Raider front office!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
The refs got it in for Routt. I used to hate him, but now I just feel sorry for him. He gets called almost weekly, and yesterday was such BS.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Trade up to get Suh…and draft a LB in the 2nd Rd.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Our C, LB, QB, RB….I mean those might be our worst positions!!!
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You can certainly make an argument for that. You could argue that there is some talent at QB and RB with Grads and McFadden though.
I see our biggest needs being along the Oline. Henderson has been decent against the pass rush, but he still can’t open any holes for the running game. Gallery with back issues? Very scary. Satele was a bad acquisition, and Carlisle and Green should have been backups last year.
Speaking of backups, have you seen the roster? LMFAO at our backup Oline guys. We need AT LEAST 4 new starters on the Oline next year man!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Coach cable stated he wants to get the RBs in a rythym; going away from 3 back committee to a 2 back comm.
Note to HC when your RB breaks 3-5 tackles as Mr. McFadden did just before the half for a seven to 8 yd gain making it a 3rd and one; you don not take him out (for the record Mr. Fargas had the previous carry) and of course was tackled short of a 1st down a on a 3rd & 1. Game changer coach.
I guess we know that Mr. Bush will be traded in the off season if Cable is back. Thank God Cable will not be back.
Frye needs to play to see what the Raiders have, as he could be trade bait as well.
FYI J. Locker of UW is remaining in college w/ Sarcasian (I apologise for butchering the spelling).
So he will not be available when we draft the 4th to 8th pick. We need to move up to get Suh of Nebraska no matter what it costs.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Draft offensive linemen.
Please!!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Pull a Ditka and trade every 2010 draft pick to get Suh.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
We need offensive and defensive lineman so tell me…who’s the fastest Defensive Back in the draft?
December 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Get Gruden back as coach, get Suh in the first, spikes in the 2nd, tebow in the 3rd, and a MLB in the 3rd!
And we will make the playoffs next year!! Take that to the bank!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Back online,
Some fierce rain down here tonight. Some flooding too. Anyway, I wouldn’t mind going OL in first 3 rnds JHill but one thing concerns me with that. Three high pick linemen may buy Jamarcus another year to see what he can do. That may be a reason for Al to keep trying to fit that square peg in the round hole.
Yeah Vegas, top ten might be too high for Mt. Cody but we may not be able to trade down and hopefully picking him at #6 would work out better than getting DHB at #7 this year.
December 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
R8eray,
Congratulations buddy!!
December 14th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
I got the job?
December 14th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Let’s be serious….Bush has talent and therefore wants out of Oakland. He is getting the Marcus Allen treatment for all we know because to not play him makes no sense.
This team is F’ed Up and until I see something different from Al Davis….I will basically agree with almost anything MR says…and you know that’s not what I want to do
December 14th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
This team gave up when Jamarcus came in, and therefore gave up on Al Davis’s “vision” of his team.
They acted very much like this blog and said, “we don’t buy into the crap we are seeing” and he got pummelled.
Jamarcus (and Al) need to wake up…Al might be able to, but I doubt Jamarcus knows anything beyond…”hey I be pretty good at this game where I be from”
December 14th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
RUSSELL AINT READY @THIS PT N TIME,HE DNT KNW HOW 2 MOTIVATE N LEAD
December 14th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Al needs to……
renegotiate Jamarcus down to nothing,
make moves along the O-line and D-line and LB’s.
draft like the O-line and D-line mean something.
hire real people with real football titles.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Al will not sit still for this…2 years ago he went nuts in Free Agency, this year he sat still and drafted crazy talent.
With an uncapped year you know he is going to try and reload or do something that is unconventional.
What do you think he will do?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
RDT,
Bush has talent but his courage must have snapped off with his fibula back in college. He runs too tentative and goes down easier than Lewinski. I would trade him to someone before the rest of the League figures this out. But I’m sure the league is smarter than me so we may only get a 4th rnder for him.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Come on Raider Fans….know your team!
Al is going to do something with the uncapped year…what do you predict he will do?
You know he won’t sit still.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Bush has talent but his courage must have snapped off with his fibula back in college. He runs too tentative and goes down easier than Lewinski.
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he ran pretty good last year for a pile of carries against TB
December 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I would trade him too for anything if we aren’t going to use him….personally, I’d like to use him.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I just don’t know what Tom Cable’s “playbook” looks like and really don’t have any belief in it.
Who is he, and where did he come from? Idaho, with a terrible record…why are we committed to him and that?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I’d like to see a game-plan, a style of play, and a commitment to making it work and players who fit it or buy into it.
Therefore making every game a measurement of how close we are to making it happen and seeing the results of it being the proper game-plan.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Bush had a good game against a team whose defense quit because their daddy was leaving for another woman.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
If Cable gets fired (he will) Bush will stay and be out the doghouse! Im sure Gruden will appreciate him more then Cable has.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Right now we have a bunch of people doing the “Happy
Dance” because Gradkowski came in and didn’t suck.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I like Bush, but if he’s not in…..there is a hundred other RB’s that could be. (like Rankin)
December 14th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
agree w/ 504. He has a good game every now and then but usually Bush is hesitant and goes down easy.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Right now the Raider’s have no identity or style, nothing to be or build on.
We have to get a good GM and Coach, adopt a philosophy, and apply it with great force.
See what happens!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I would say that Al Davis would be awesome in an uncapped year but hes ruined the franchise and has no money left to work with.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
News just in…
QB Locker won’t be entering the NFL Draft this year.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Right now we suck….and our record is re-defining the word suck.
That must change…and we need somebody who will change it with every single move that they make.
Get rid of losers…make people work hard and be accountable.
Everything that is not happening now.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I think Gruden would love to come back to Oakland. Bring back Gruden!!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
24 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
News just in…
QB Locker won’t be entering the NFL Draft this year.
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yesterday’s news…..you work for Al Davis?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Look at these analogies:
Bush vs (Tampa 08) is to Redskins defense yesterday.
Gradkowski getting injured is to Monte telling Gruden “I’m going with Lane.”
Our O-Line yesterday is to Bucs defense last game of 08.
At the end of the day: Trade Bush.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
At the end of the day:..stop being who we’ve been
December 14th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Crabtree is looking a little better than DHB at the moment
December 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Singletary makes me think “Coach” a little more than Tom Cable does.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Now if Gruden came back and Bush got nastier during the off season and changed his number to #47, I would give him another shot. Other than that, trade him to the Saints for one of their backup O-Linemen.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
A good strength training coach would help. All the teams that focus on weights dominate the league. Espec helps w/ the line.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Our team “The Raiders” haven’t made a good move in a long, long time.
It’s about time we changed our philosophy and started doing something.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Make team afraid to be hit by you.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
trades don’t happen…especially the one’s you want to happen. this isn’t Fantasy Football.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Crabtree is looking a little better than DHB at the moment
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he has never not looked better the dhb A.k.a stone hands. Even when he was holding out he looked better.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Random Drug Tester – Haha. I didn’t know…I just overheard right now…thought I’d share.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Gruden just said he is confident the Raiders will be back!!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Singletary makes me think “Coach” a little more than Tom Cable does.
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So does Value Jet.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
“He said he would like just get up and choke them,” Johnson said. “I’m like, ‘You can’t do that no more. You do that you’ll surely get flagged.’ We try to play the rules of this game. He tries to get us to do what he did back then. I said, ‘Nah, that ain’t going to work.’ ”
This explains a lot. Nice coaching old man Willie!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Would you guys rather have Crabtree or Murphy? I dont even count DHB. I prefer Murphy. Bigger, faster and fights for the ball pretty well too.
BTW, Gruden just said on tV the nfl needs the Raiders and Niners to be good again. This guy never says a bad thing about the Raiders.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Raiders used to be known for inflicting pain. Got penalized a lot because of being over-aggressive. Not stupidity. Strong guys that will freaking hurt you and like it. That’s what they need.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Al’s best move at this point and time would be to clean house, put a serious management structure in place, and start from scratch with a game-plan in place that accentuates the honest talent we have on the roster and goes out and fills in the rest of the pieces.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Man I hope Gruden knows something we don’t know.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Man I hope Gruden knows something we don’t know.
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Amen
December 14th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Gruden is having lunch with Al tomorrow!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
We are not moving forward with a plan.
We are floundering…wondering how to compete in the NFL.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
# r8eray Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Gruden is having lunch with Al tomorrow!
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I wish!!
December 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Who are we?
Who is our QB?
Who is our RB?
Who are our WR’s?
We are no closer to knowing that than we were when we started losing 10 or more games a year.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
We aren’t the Raiders.
We aren’t anybody.
We are a joke.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Tom Cable is the messiah who is going to turn that around?
December 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I think Murphy and Schillens are good WR’s. Keep THEM.
December 14th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
PS….Priesttj, Jamarcus isn’t the remarkable talent that the coaching staff is happy with his development. He does not have the wherewithal to turn this team’s fortune around. He barely has the talent to get on and off the field.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
weaselbit Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I think Murphy and Schillens are good WR’s. Keep THEM.
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Personally I agree…….but I want a real coaching staff to come in and keep who they want and get rid of the rest.
eg. Russell, DHB, DMAC, Walker, Bush, etc.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Why wasn’t Frye given the nod on Sunday? Why were we passing the ball so much when we still had time to run it? C’mon, you know…
December 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Personally again, I think Bush and Javon Walker getting more playing time would make us a better team.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
MR…if you read this blog you would know I said the same thing about running the ball @ 17-13 instead of making Jamarcus throw it.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Gruden stopped by Rickey’s because he’s friends with them. Gruden still has a parking space there. He rolls in whenever he’s in the bay. It means nothing. What makes you guys think Gruden would come here for anything less than what he demanded a decade ago? Why do you guys think Gruden is dumb enough to coach for Davis without covering himself on the back end? How much respect could you guys possibly have for this man if you think he’s so dumb? If you think he’ll come here and work under the conditions that Cable, Kiffin, Shell, Turner, and Callahan had to? Give Gruden some credit. He’s not that dumb.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
MR…I have an honest question.
Do you think Jamarcus was a victim of fragging by his team-mates?
Or are you holding to your belief that Washington suddenly learned how to shut off McFadden?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Who said Gruden was coming here?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
aig Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Would you guys rather have Crabtree or Murphy? I dont even count DHB. I prefer Murphy. Bigger, faster and fights for the ball pretty well too.
BTW, Gruden just said on tV the nfl needs the Raiders and Niners to be good again. This guy never says a bad thing about the Raiders.
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I agree. Murphy. Crabtree is more polished in terms of route running and hands, but Murphy has a higher ceiling. Crabtree isn’t going to be an elite play-making WR. He’ll be a solid, move the chains posession receiver along the lines of a Keyshawn Johnson (at best).
I’d rank the rookie WRs like this if a draft redo were being held:
1. Hakeem Nicks, NYG
2. Percy Harvin, MIN
3. Jeremy Maclin, PHI
4. Kenny Britt, TEN
5. Louis Murphy, OAK
6. Michael Crabtree, SF
7. Mohammed Masoquai, CLE
8. Mike Wallace, PIT
9. Johnny Knox, CHI
10. Austin Collie, IND
Yes, I realize that DHB is not even in the top-10 WRs of his own draft class right now despite being the first one taken and getting more guaranteed money than at least half these guys combined. I suppose he does have the potential to climb much higher in the years to come but only if he learns how to catch with his hands.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Drug Tester, why is that? Why we were having Russell throw it instead of running the football? Go ahead, say it’s because Cable believes in Russell, right after he benched him…
December 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Drug Tester, would you just STFU? I know what you’re doing and it won’t work with me. I’m too smart.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
not at all.
Maybe Russell has no ability to read defenses, can’t go from hand-off to pass play. He got fragged because nobody wants him back there, it’s obvious.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
too smart to try and discuss rather than make ridiculous statements and hold people to their responses to your ridiculous claims?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
# weaselbit Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I think Gruden would love to come back to Oakland. Bring back Gruden!!
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Sure. Because Al’s gotten so much easier to work for since he last coached here…
December 14th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
– Could be another week without rookie first-round pick Darrius Heyward-Bey at wide receiver. The improvement in his foot sprain has been “minimal” and Cable said he was day-to-day.
Minimal improvement? That describes DHB to a tee.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
atta boy MR
keep taking pot shots
December 14th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Those of you who are even dreaming about Gruden coming back need to be lobotomized. Dream about something that has a remote chance of happening, like Shell coming back. He will bring back the toughness, mark my words! LOL.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
rather funny how you ask me a question and then in the next post (right after yours) you tell me to STFU
December 14th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Cable’s getting fired. Gradkowski will either be gone or will ride pine again. Russell will start next year. Hackett will probably be the next HC/puppet.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
WOW…atta go out on a limb MR.
Next your going to tell us that Vince Lombardi won’t coach the Raider either.
Got any more MR gems?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I told you to STFU when I read your dumb ass comment insinuating that people AREN’T jizzing themselves over the possibility of Gruden coming back. Every other comment today is about Gruden. I asked you the question before I’d seen that. You can’t play games with me. Because I’m smarter than you. Now stop buzzing around me like a fly, before you get swatted.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
You are so unworthy of the name Madden, and undeserving of the name Raider in your name.
But those 2 things have never been a part of you anyways.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Shut up, loser. Get off my nutz.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Gruden comes back. Seems pretty clear to me he’d jump at the chance if a reasonable offer was made in terms of money and roster control.
Ball’s in Al’s court.
7 straight seasons of double-digit losses and a half-empty stadium combined with the public love and respect Gruden has shown Al and the Raiders could definitely make it happen.
Personally, I think it’s approaching 50/50 territory as to whether it actually happens. If JaBigMac finishes the year at QB we’ll be 4-12 with four consecutive blowout losses to end the season. Ticket sales will be in the toilet. Al would be one year closer to never seeing his beloved Raiders sniff even the playoffs let alone a Super Bowl. Something to think about.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
come look me up then internet tough guy…you are so clinically problematic it is only sad instead of pathetic
December 14th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
You can’t be me, Random Drug Tester. I’m the one who comes in here and mocks idiots. You can’t mock me because I’m not an idiot. That’s just how it works. Natural selection. Know your station in life.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
“For all those who think the O-line is not good enough…
The Colts have had 10 years and 89 picks in the draft since they selected Peyton Manning.
They have chosen 0 linemen in the first round and only 2 in the second round.
Yet Manning is annually among the league leaders in fewest sacks allowed.
I guess it pays to know what you’re doing on the field.
JaMarcus is completely useless.”
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Yeah but, Indy has MANNING!!!
Mannings devotion and quick delivery to guys like MARVIN HARRISON and DWIGHT CLARKE might have something to do with that don’t you think?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Gruden comes back.
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Because you’re insane. Most insane people usually are undaunted by bizarre, impossible events.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Gruden has a much better life now that he does not need to mess it up by entering into a working relationship with Al Davis.
However, if Al moves on, Gruden would love to resurrect the Raiders, as would many others.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Nnamdi, who compared us to the Colts? Who needs to be committed, immediately?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
and Indy’s O-line was decent before Peyton got there.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
MR, who cares about your opinion?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Gruden has a much better life now that he does not need to mess it up by entering into a working relationship with Al Davis.
However, if Al moves on, Gruden would love to resurrect the Raiders, as would many others.
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Gruden wants the challenge. He has unfinished business in Oakland. He’s also got an ego and wants to show the world that he can succeed twice in Oakland when so many others have failed miserably. Plus he loves the spotlight and no job would garner Gruden half as much attention as a return to Raider Nation. And I think he sincerely loves the fans and the mystique of the Oakland Raiders.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
156. Chris in NY
Yeah but if you watched last nights game you saw Hakeem drop some passes too.
Now imagine if he didn’t have Eli pie. Harvins got Bret flippin Favre, Maclin’s got McNabb.
I agree, Bey’s been sub par but we’ll have to see what happens when and if we get some O line guys.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
MR…why do you come here to insult people when as you tell us, you could be with Laker cheerleaders?
You get off on this more, or you were lying?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Gradkowski and Cable gone after this year.
Russell starting, Hackett probably the next HC/scapegoat.
Gruden never coming to Oakland again, even after Al’s dead. Al’s going to leave too many of his boneheaded henchmen in charge, anyway. Gruden’s not stepping foot here if Trask and Herrera are here.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Our O-line is a disaster, even with Gallery in there. Gallery is fine at Guard. Likewise, I believe Henderson will come around. Beyond those 2 players, we are void on the O-line. And, the backups are even worse. This is what happens when you ignore the lines and implement the crappy zone blocking systen that makes 2nd rate O-linemen look half way decent sometimes. ZBS works for running games but isn’t worth a crap when it comes to pass protection.
This next draft needs to be all O-linemen plus a run stopping MLB.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Chris in NY….I agree that Gruden wants it, but Al and Gruden are mutually exclusive
December 14th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Gruden wants the challenge?
Oh, yeh, you see, Gruden wants to work for Al Davis for pennies, and have no control, because, you see, he likes challenges! Chris has lost it, you guys.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
MR…heard that already from you a hundred times.
If you have nothing new to say, don’t post again.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Nnamdi21,
Yeah, Manning has alot to do with it of course, but Brees is getting similiar results in N.O.
A great QB can improve the play of a line. He can make the correct protection calls, slide the pocket, find the right receiver.
JaMarcus getting sacked has more to do with his bad play than the line.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
This one’s for the flea riding my nutz right now:
REPOST:
Gradkowski and Cable gone after this year.
Russell starting, Hackett probably the next HC/scapegoat.
Gruden never coming to Oakland again, even after Al’s dead. Al’s going to leave too many of his boneheaded henchmen in charge, anyway. Gruden’s not stepping foot here if Trask and Herrera are here.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
No way Gruden comes back. EVER.
Gruden is responsible for the decline gentlemen, not only of our beloved Raiders but Tampa Bay as well.
See the name Bruce Allen is directly related to GEORGE ALLEN who’s “Over the hill gang” was all the rage for about 3 seasons till the “Over the hill” veterans they mortgaged the future for retired.
Thats Chucky’s M.O. and one we can’t afford and frankly, given the veterans lying around today, one that won’t work.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
MR has obviously been rejected by every woman he approached at the bar tonight (or guy)
and now we have to deal with his need to subject himself on us
December 14th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
and Indy’s O-line was decent before Peyton got there.
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Gotta call you on that one. There was a reason they the first pick in the draft.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
And, Nnamdi, I was just starting to think you were one of the few sane people in here. That just went out the window, when you said that the reason Gruden won’t come back is because, get this, he’s not good enough to coach for the Raiders. Because, you see, we are just the class of the NFL right now ,and we demand only the best. I’m disappointed in you, Nnamdi. You coulda been a contenda.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
semi-agree Nnamdi
but I just don’t like no salary cap for rookies, and don’t see any viable way to keep a good team together for the long term with the salary cap.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Well, guys, now we know why Gruden won’t come back. He knows he’s not good enough to even bother applying for the HC job here. Cable is better than Gruden, right, Nnamdi? LOL.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
# weaselbit Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Raiders used to be known for inflicting pain. Got penalized a lot because of being over-aggressive. Not stupidity. Strong guys that will freaking hurt you and like it. That’s what they need.
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You’ve been reading too many comic books.
Before the rule changes, players on all the teams took vicious shots, and enjoyed it.
From Csonka to Lott to Deacon to Ray Lewis to Lawrence Taylor, to Joe Green to Jim Brown parading before the opposing teams bench, letting them know he wasn’t only going to hurt them, but that none of them could bring him down…wasn’t just a few Raider players who put the hurt on people..it’s just Raider players who proudly stated they took cheap shots.
Hell, Tatum wanted his hits to be close to ‘felonious assault”…
regardless..now a days those hits of old get you massive fines, and very expensive suspensions.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
NorthernD
yes you are right, but they had the beginnings with some young guys and Jeff Saturday
December 14th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Matt Millen had some very good commentary after the game. Talked about how SF finally was starting to get some players that week in and week out are better than the guys they are playing against. Gore, Davis, Willis, the S Gholston. Had me wondering who we had on our team to fit that bill. Nnamdi was about the only player I could think of. Maybe Seymour.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Nnamdi, is Gruden even better than Cable? Can you give Gruden that much? Or, do you think Cable’s better?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Is JaBustus even clasified as an athlete? Most QB’s tend to be fairly good athletes – being able to play other positions. Can the giant stationary turd do anything else other than toss a ball? Somehow I feel the answer is NO. How did this big dummy ever fool everybody? Obviously he did, but how? I guess this really proves the last laugh is his – 31 million times.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
No way Gruden comes back. EVER.
Gruden is responsible for the decline gentlemen, not only of our beloved Raiders but Tampa Bay as well.
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Ignorant take.
Borderline head up ass take.
Gruden was responsible for the Raiders getting to the SB, numbnuts.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Richochet
you forgot Butkus, Karras, Curtis, and a million others
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Nnamdi, please answer this. Who’s a better HC in the NFL, Gruden, or Cable?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
NorthernD Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Nnamdi21,
Yeah, Manning has alot to do with it of course, but Brees is getting similiar results in N.O.
A great QB can improve the play of a line. He can make the correct protection calls, slide the pocket, find the right receiver.
JaMarcus getting sacked has more to do with his bad play than the line
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Brees and N.O is another matter all together. Again, not just BREES on the Saints. Thats a good team with plenty of talent and a midget QB that busts his azz.
Spoken like someone who’s seen very few Russell games.
The O line injuries hurt the run game.
That hurt play action. Couple that with Russell’s apparent sloth + 2 rookie wides a first time starter at LT, Gallery gone with a broken leg, Satele unable to make the ZBS reads, Morris without enough power, Carlisle too old and Green a never was and you can’t expect Russell to thrive.
Gradkowski had 4 years of Hackett as his QB coach before taking the field in Silver and Black before you even go there.
Russell bears some of the brunt, thats his job and pay grade, but to say a new QB would fix this O line is inaccurate.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Nnamdi21,
I saw Nicks drop the one pass. The second was catchable but difficult. But it was that same drive where he snatched the ball out of the air, beat two defenders and took it to the house for a 68-yard TD. His numbers are virtually identical to Harvin’s for the season, despite the fact that Nicks has been the Giants No. 3 WR. Not to mention Nicks is a very physical 6-1, 215 and Harvin is 5-11, 190.
And DHB hasn’t been sub-par. He’s been atrocious. I know he’s got a 270-pound scattershot liability at QB, but I’m pretty sure DHB has more drops than catches. That’s bad. To have 9 catches on the season entering Week 15 when you’ve been a starting WR all year is mind-bogglingly bad. He’s probably the worst rookie WR on any roster in the NFL this season. The potential is still there. But the hands and overall production haven’t reported to Oakland yet.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Russell an athlete???
Well…sure…if you call bowlers and poker players athletes..he’s in.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
And, Namdi, if Gruden is responsible for the decline, who is responsible for the success of those few years?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
JB Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Is JaBustus even clasified as an athlete? Most QB’s tend to be fairly good athletes – being able to play other positions. Can the giant stationary turd do anything else other than toss a ball? Somehow I feel the answer is NO. How did this big dummy ever fool everybody? Obviously he did, but how? I guess this really proves the last laugh is his – 31 million times.
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Al Davis didn’t do his due diligence……….period
December 14th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
you forgot Butkus, Karras, Curtis, and a million others
203.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Nnamdi, please answer this. Who’s a better HC in the NFL, Gruden, or Cable?
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Easy.
Cable.
Gruden’s a broadcaster.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Colts averaged 51 sacks in the three years before Manning came to town.
They averaged just 19 in the three years after.
That’s more than just co-incidence.
A smart QB can make all the difference.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Nnamdi……lol
December 14th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
So, Nnamdi, you do think Gruden’s better than Cable, right? Is that what I’m to gather from your answer? So, wouldn’t Gruden at least be an upgrade from what we have now? And, again, if Gruden is responsible for our decline, as you put it (we’ve been under this “decline” for 7 years now…), who was responsible for our division titles earlier this decade?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
NorthernD…..not arguing that point at all, but they grew together which is what I thought the Raiders should have done after drafting Russell and investing 60 million in him was to draft and develop an O-line in front him to protect it.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
I just don’t get how Gruden ran this team into the ground and why some fans don’t want him back. I mean, who were the young players he sacrificed for old vets? I personally think he took a bunch of crap and turned it into something respectable. Which high draft picks did he fugg off? Should Garner and Wheatly have been on the bench? Should Jerry Porter have played over Rice and Brown? I just don’t get the anti Gruden crowd.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
# Random Drug Tester Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Richochet
you forgot Butkus, Karras, Curtis, and a million others
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Million and 7, to be exact.
Maybe tomorrow I’ll post them..along with the above.
Then again, maybe not.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
And, Namdi, if Gruden is responsible for the decline, who is responsible for the success of those few years?
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Rich Gannon, Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, Greg Biekert, Eric Allen. Lincoln Kennedy, Barrett Robbins
December 14th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
JHill, Nnamdi doesn’t get how Gruden tore the team apart, either, which is he can’t explain it. I asked him who’s better between Gruden and Cable and he still hasn’t answered, aside from a sarcastic quip. He knows Gruden’s good. He’s just got a little Al loyalist left him. Kind of like how a crack head is always a crack head, even when he’s sober. He just needs constant counseling.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
NorthernD…..not arguing that point at all, but they grew together which is what I thought the Raiders should have done after drafting Russell and investing 60 million in him was to draft and develop an O-line in front him to protect it.
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Yeah, but year after year he gets it done. They haven’t spent high draft picks selecting linemen. They’ve had years where almost the entire O-line was down with injuries. Players have come and gone, with the one constant being Manning.
Look at New Orleans, how many of that O-line will be going to the pro-bowl this year? Did they suddenly learn how to block?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
the Raiders don’t own the market on toughness…they use to own the market on winning and being tough, after they were good.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
So, Nnamdi, you honestly think Gannon would have played here if Gruden wasn’t here, considering everything Gannon’s said about this team recently? Dude, what happened to you? You were actually one of the saner people in here. Now you’re crazier than priest. Are you just playing devil’s advocate, keeping me on my toes, etc? I hope so. You’re usually smart. But you are scaring me right now. Because what your’e saying is beyond stupid.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Funny how when chuckie was with the Raiders not a SINGLE RAIDER FAN had anything but praise for him.
When it came down to his contract extension, almost every Raider fan said “give him whatever he deserves, just don’t let him leave”.
Now?
Now he wasn’t “all that good” or “was responsible for the team failing”??
Short memory for some of you.
BUT..doesn’t matter.
Will Chuckie take another job with the Raiders?
Probably.
He fits into the “either a new rookie” or “a previous HC hoping for another shot” category.
But..doubt if Al will swallow the bullet, both on admitting he was wrong in how he handled Chuckie first time around..and in him paying Chuckie what he deserves THIS TIME AROUND, when he refused to pay him the first time around…
Just don’t see it happening.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Nnamdi, just answer this…I’ll give you once chance to prove you’re still sane before I leave. Do you think Rich Gannon would have come to Oakland if Gruden wasn’t here?
December 14th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
have to admit that for the last 10 years I haven’t been as intimately knowledged about the inner workings of the Raiders as I used to be.
But it seems that Al has let things get away from him, he has made moves over the last few years that seemed like reloading that in hind-sight look like grasping at straws.
But now it seems like the whole “organization” is in shambles.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Gruden would only come back for AT LEAST what he demanded when he left, and Al would never give that to him. It’s not like Al’s become easier to work for since Gruden left. There’s no chance.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Later, guys. Nnamdi, I’m going to log on tomorrow and pretend that this never happened. I hate to see people that I have respect for go off the deep end. Cable better than Gruden? Wow. We’ll all just sleep it off, bud. Later.
December 14th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
NorthernD…I don’t think Indy’s Oline relates to the Raiders. We don’t have one, they do. I don’t buy the ZBS thing, it’s like the knuckleball in pitching to me, if you can’t pitch – throw a knuckler. If you don’t have a decent O-line, go to the ZBS.
We need to create an Oline…just my belief.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Nnamdi, just answer this…I’ll give you once chance to prove you’re still sane before I leave. Do you think Rich Gannon would have come to Oakland if Gruden wasn’t here?
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You mean Steve Bono and Elvis Grbac’s BACK UP QB?!
No, your right, Gannon would’ve balked at a starting job ANYWHERE.
Gruden brought him in yes, BECAUSE HE WAS A VET WHO COULD RUN THE TEAM.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
MR…you’re like a Sunfish on a worm. You see a little piece of something and you swallow it and don’t let go.
He merely said Cable was a better Coach in the NFL right now because Gruden isn’t a coach in the NFL.
You in your usual annoying way jump all over one line and pound everybody into pure nausea with your crap over it.
Lighten up Francis!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Later, guys. Nnamdi, I’m going to log on tomorrow and pretend that this never happened. I hate to see people that I have respect for go off the deep end. Cable better than Gruden? Wow. We’ll all just sleep it off, bud. Later.
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Never said that Cable’s better then Gruden. You came up with that.
I simply pointed out its a moot point because Gruden’s not in the least interested in coming back to Oakland ro coaching at this point.
Gruden ruined the Raiders and he helped ruin the Bucs.
Part of it was the deal to get him there. The pick Tampa gave up to snag him hurt down the line. Just check Chuckies less than stellar record with the Bucs after TONY DUNGY’s Super Bowl over us.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
FRANCIS! lol!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
The ZBS can work if you run the right offence with it. Shanahan had great success with it.
The beauty of the ZBS is that you don’t have to spend high draft picks on running backs or linemen to make it work. You just have to find the ones who can play in that system.
You can get 5th rounders who can play well, you just have to run the plays that work with it.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
thanks for that
December 14th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Shanahan had Elway and Terrell Davis with the zbs
December 14th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
The ZBS can work if you run the right offence with it. Shanahan had great success with it.
The beauty of the ZBS is that you don’t have to spend high draft picks on running backs or linemen to make it work. You just have to find the ones who can play in that system.
You can get 5th rounders who can play well, you just have to run the plays that work with it.
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That was true when it first came about. Today’s defenses have figured it out and now ZBS doesn’t do squat. Teams with ZBS lineman now have to rebuild their lines to NFL standards – a 3 year plus project.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the ZBS is why Fargas gained 1,000 yds between the 20’s but only had 1 rushing TD in I don’t know how many years/
December 14th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
the ZBS prevents you from converting 3rd or 4th and short or punching it in at the Goal-line.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
There’s normally a reason that some players are 1st & 2nd rounders while other are 6th & 7th round player. They are not equal in skill & abilities and the results normally show that rather quickly – unless they are Oakland draftees.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
With Oakland you never know. I shouldn’t say Chuckie will NEVER come back, just very very very unlikely…
1998 noteables in Raiders NFl draft under Gruden:
Charles Woodsen (Prolly not Gruden’s pick in the 1st)
Mo Collins
1999
Matt Stinchcomb
2000
Sebastian Janikowki
Jerry Porter
2001
Derrick Gibson
Marques Tuiasosopo
Gruden used the ole George Allen and let the vets do the coaching and winning then skipped to repeat it before the fall.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
true…but sometimes it only means you played at a hyped college, not that you’re better than the guy that less is known about.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
I would trade a draft pick for a guy I knew or wanted anytime
December 14th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Man, NFL linemen are at a premium right now. Thin drafts last year and this. The ZBS and Cable may have seemed like the way to go and it still may be all things considered.
Losing Gallery all year hurt. Keeping Green and Carlise and adding under performing Satele exposed the fact we haven’t had a decent center since Robbins super bowl freek owt.
Centers the KEY position for the ZBS btw. Better address that next year…finally…
Don’t forget, Denver had Tom Nalen and some of the dirstiest Mo’ fo’s in the League.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Peace owt!
December 14th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I would take Seymour for Burgess and my 1st pick 2 years from now every time
December 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I would take Moss for a 4th rounder every time
December 14th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
you know why we have MaddenRaider and the Chargers have Charged Up?
They had first pick.
That’s not news….but that too is reality.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
And as my parting shot.
Arguing with MR is like arguing with an idiot.
Don’t do it because they only drag you down to their level….and then they kill with you experience.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
All the great QB’s have been real students of the game. All we get with JaBustus is someone who wants to eat the teacher.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the ZBS is why Fargas gained 1,000 yds between the 20’s but only had 1 rushing TD in I don’t know how many years/
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I think that has more to do with Fargas than the blocking.
However, whether you call it ZBS or another scheme, the idea is that you don’t have to spend high drafts on O-linemen to get results.
Barry Sims was a serviceable LT for being an undrafted free agent.
Also as defences adapt, you make adjustments on offence.
I don’t think we currently have the coaching staff that can out-think the other side. And that may be more of a problem than the ZBS.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
# Richochet Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Funny how when chuckie was with the Raiders not a SINGLE RAIDER FAN had anything but praise for him.
When it came down to his contract extension, almost every Raider fan said “give him whatever he deserves, just don’t let him leave”.
Now?
Now he wasn’t “all that good” or “was responsible for the team failing”??
Short memory for some of you.
BUT..doesn’t matter.
Will Chuckie take another job with the Raiders?
Probably.
He fits into the “either a new rookie” or “a previous HC hoping for another shot” category.
But..doubt if Al will swallow the bullet, both on admitting he was wrong in how he handled Chuckie first time around..and in him paying Chuckie what he deserves THIS TIME AROUND, when he refused to pay him the first time around…
Just don’t see it happening.
^^^^^^^^^
If it doesn’t happen, that it’s more proof that the stubborn egotistical old man doesn’t TRULY care about WINNING.
Talking about “winning” is just all window dressing and bullcrap with the old man.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Report on ESPN linking Javon Walker to Dr. suspected of supplying Performance Enhancing Drugs.
Couldn’t read it all. Went to a dang commercial.
On Bottom Line on ESPNNews.
December 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Raider75 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Report on ESPN linking Javon Walker to Dr. suspected of supplying Performance Enhancing Drugs.
Couldn’t read it all. Went to a dang commercial.
On Bottom Line on ESPNNews.
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Oh oh!!!
Bad news for the Raiders.
He might get suspended for 4 games…
December 14th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
LOL!
December 14th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
I think that performance enhancing drug was Viagra.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
# Raider75 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Report on ESPN linking Javon Walker to Dr. suspected of supplying Performance Enhancing Drugs.
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If true, it didn’t do him any good. WTF is up with Yvonne Walker anyway? $11 million for doing absolutely nothing. If the guy is physically fit , play him or cut him. why keep dicking around. Just makes no sense. similar to MeAngelo Hall, $8 million for 8 games and not even good games. Tommy Kelly the highest paid D lineman for a while. The list of questionable deals goes on & on & on. One might get the impression that AD is no longer playing with a full deck. Picking Bey at the 7th position, picking Mitchell at #2. Looking back over the recent years one could easily question AD’s mental status. But this is all old news and helps explain why the Raiders are so screwed up right now.
I know AD is out trying to find some new investor money – 10% ownership as the story goes. I can’t believe anybody would invest with this team with AD in sole charge of operations. That is of course unless their name was Madeoff.
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I know AD is out trying to find some new investor money – 10% ownership as the story goes. I can’t believe anybody would invest with this team with AD in sole charge of operations.
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Someone will invest.
The NFL is a money printing business.
Someone will get on board, even with crazy cap’n Al at the helm…
BTW, was the Dr’s name Romanowski?
December 14th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Raider75 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Report on ESPN linking Javon Walker to Dr. suspected of supplying Performance Enhancing Drugs.
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On a side note; the spraying of champagne in a Vegas night club does not act as a masking agent.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Saw the photos on Rickeys website.
Damn, it seemed more like a potential recruiting get together for Gruden than a welcome back party.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:25 am
# NorthernD Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
I know AD is out trying to find some new investor money – 10% ownership as the story goes. I can’t believe anybody would invest with this team with AD in sole charge of operations.
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Someone will invest.
The NFL is a money printing business.
Someone will get on board, even with crazy cap’n Al at the helm…
BTW, was the Dr’s name Romanowski?
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If he hires Gruden back…..there will be plenty of investors lining up to invest…..without a doubt.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:37 am
MIKE MITCHELL ON FRED SMOOT:
“It was a good football play, a good hit, a good, solid hit you’d be excited about, but once you realize a guy’s hurt, you leave it alone, even say a prayer for him, that’s what I would do. That was a classless act to point at him and continue to get excited, and then to do it right in front of our sideline, who do you think you are?”
“I understand you’ve been in this league a long time, I’m a rookie, but I haven’t seen you do anything. I’ve been watching this game a lot time, I see you talk a lot. I’m not really a talker, I’m a doer. I stay right here in Oakland, I live in Florence, Kentucky, I travel a lot. Hopefully I can see you and we can talk about it.”
CABLE (THE GODFATHER):
“I liked the fact that guys stood up for their teammates, I have no problem with that. In fact, that’s one of the issues that we need more of sometimes, about playing for each other, sticking up for each other, staying strong together, all those things.”
“That’s just another example of it. I told the team this earlier, I was glad to see our approach to how what happened with that hit, the way those guys were talking and all that. It’s like family. You got to take care of your family.”
December 15th, 2009 at 12:38 am
DKnight, you’ll sooner come up with a new insult for Russell other than “black Ryan Leaf” than Gruden will be coach here. In other words, it won’t ever happen.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:40 am
# Richochet Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
No way Gruden comes back. EVER.
Gruden is responsible for the decline gentlemen, not only of our beloved Raiders but Tampa Bay as well.
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Ignorant take.
Borderline head up ass take.
Gruden was responsible for the Raiders getting to the SB, numbnuts.
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Exactly…..ridiculous take by Nnamdi21…
December 15th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Call it the paste eating, retard nation, from here on out:
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Gruden ruined the Raiders
December 15th, 2009 at 12:44 am
What’s sad is that Nnamdi is normally one of the smartest people in here. Everybody has that one hangup. That one topic where they’re just dumber than sin on. Usually its connected to religion, and in Nnamdi’s case, it’s a belief that Al Davis is a deity. You can’t blame Al for how bad the Raiders are, because Al is the creator of the universe. So, it’s Gruden’s fault. Gruden’s been gone for nearly a decade, yet he “ruined” the Raiders, beyond repair. Only loyalty to a phony deity can make a man so retarded. Nnamdi, take my advice. Talk about everything but Jon Gruden.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:44 am
Play Roy Schuening
December 15th, 2009 at 12:49 am
2010 PLAN:
Draft big ILB with first pick (Brandon Spikes or Rolando McClain).
Draft OL with ALL the other picks (big OL who can bulldoze, not small ones who weight under 300 pounds like Carlisle, Satele and Morris)
Sign Jason Campbell.
Add depth at CB.
December 15th, 2009 at 1:01 am
El Tato,
Play Roy Schuening
Draft OL with ALL the other picks (big OL who can bulldoze, not small ones who weight under 300 pounds like Carlisle, Satele and Morris)
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I think Roy Schuening is smaller than the ones you listed.
December 15th, 2009 at 1:35 am
NorthernD Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 1:01 am
El Tato,
Play Roy Schuening
Draft OL with ALL the other picks (big OL who can bulldoze, not small ones who weight under 300 pounds like Carlisle, Satele and Morris)
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I think Roy Schuening is smaller than the ones you listed.
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Schuening is 315, but it was just a joke. I don’t think he is ready, he is a 5th rounder in his second team in 2 years pro. Anyway, he was considered one of the best G last year, I don’t really know why he dropped that far, he was a second round prospect by many.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:04 am
I guess he’s put on some weight. I remember him from the combine and wondering if the Raiders would pick him up. But the words they used about him were ” limited athletically.”
Good college guy, but no upside in the pros.
I was hoping that they would have grabbed a few O-linemen late last year, but I guess Al wanted to find the next Howie Long.
Maybe next draft, Al will take a nap, and they can steal a few good players on day two (or is it day three?)
December 15th, 2009 at 2:06 am
Gradowski has torn ligaments in both knees and is hobbling around.
Nevertheless, STILL doesn’t rule him out playing because of the Jamarcus alternative.
According to Steve Corkran, Cable said:
“If, in fact, he’s not ready to go, then how do we win the next three football games, period.”
LOL!
I suggest Coach Cable that you send Bruce out there on crutches-he’ll still be faster and better than Russell.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:10 am
People who wonder whether Jamarcus can stage a “come-back” like Vince Young overlook two things:
1. Russell has nothing to come back from because he was never there in the first place.
2. Measuring Russell up against Vince Young is like comparing Ryan Leaf with Snake Stabler.
No offense Snake that your name is mentioned in the same sentence as Ryan Leaf.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:11 am
HEY LMN!:
I see you smashed Berlosconi in the face.
And you went all the way to Milan to do it.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:23 am
EnglandRaider, I agree with everything you say. Too bad Al Davis doesn’t. Russell’s starting next year, and Cable and Gradkowski are gone. We can bet a few pounds on it.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:39 am
Actually Snake, I also apologize for mentioning your name in a comparative way with Young as well.
You’re the best Snake. I’ll meet you in Mobile for a six-pack or two.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:43 am
Mr, If Russell starts next year, I’m not watching. It’s too painful and depressing.
As to betting on what you expect Al will do, that would be close to impossible.
I like to gamble, but I like to have SOME idea of what the result might be.
December 15th, 2009 at 2:49 am
For all you brothers of the Nation in sunny California we’re starting to get snow flurries here in England-or at least where I am.
And if you think it’s great to a have a white Christmas, you probably like Russell as well.
Well, I’m out. I shall risk my life dodging snow flurries as I drive down to the mall to buy a present for my ex-wife twice.
RAIDERS UBER ALLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 4:08 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 4:10 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
No way Gruden comes back. EVER.
Gruden is responsible for the decline gentlemen, not only of our beloved Raiders but Tampa Bay as well.
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My sentiments EXACTLY
December 15th, 2009 at 4:20 am
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December 15th, 2009 at 4:51 am
Yep same philosphy as George Allen….4get tommorrow,win now.I dont think Gruden did it on purpose but the M.O. fits.If Gruden would have stayed in Oakland he prolly play it different but he knew he wanted 2 go Al said ok.Then the S/B with Dungys team and his subsaquent draft picks were bad.If Gruden signed a LONG TERM contract I would have no problems with him coming back.He has proved he can win short term….but long term he has NOT shown it,imo
December 15th, 2009 at 5:16 am
Morning Nation, The Only Nation.
I wrote this a while back and now it makes more sense maybe with a coaching change but whatever.
Reading an article that mentioned, lets start thinking about next year. Well i have although i have not given up this year, and will not until that final whistle blows.
I have thought this for a while, but now it makes more sense then anything else going on. We have lost our identity, witch is a power running team. I don’t blame Cable but that’s just not us this zone blocking scheme is for teams that do not have the running backs we have. Lets go back in time for a bit, who recalls Wheatley, and Garner running through our power blocking O-Line? Now tell me don’t they remind you of Michael Bush and Darren McFadden?.
I don’t think we have the running backs for the zone blocking scheme, we need some power blockers. So i say Gallery, and Super Mario stay the rest of the O-Line goes next season. Putting Gallery and Henderson kind of reminds me of Shell and Upshaw, a little premature i know but hell anything is better then this.
So i say lets allow Cable to coach but we need a power running game, i say enough with this zone blocking crap “sorry for my language lol”.
Man on man no confusion, you got you’re guy i got my guy now find the hole and burst through it. I have said many time McFadden is an instinctive runner with his field vision he finds his own holes, you cant make him be a cut back runner with a slow fullback in front of him. They just block the hole, but put a fullback in there with a power blocking O-Line and look out McFadden will be at the second level juking DB’S in no time. As for Michael Bush well that’s like having 2 fullbacks coming at you, only 1 has the speed to burn you in the open field.
Please bring back the power running game, zone blocking is for line men that cant block man to man. It’s also confusing for the players we have. Power Blocking will also help Jamarcus it will give him a better sense of who is blitzing and who has contain on the outside. “BRING BACK THE POWER BLOCKING”
December 15th, 2009 at 5:26 am
aye
December 15th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Boy DHB sure as made Dilfer and Carter look stupid. So glad we didn’t pay Woodson cause Russell,Walker,DHB,DMAC,Mitchell,Kelly boy they sure look worth it and for all you Woodson haters he might just get D-Player of the year and will be on 1 team all-pro with Revis ahead of Nhamdi. I want Woodson and Gruden back I wanna win again tired of these scrub players and coaches.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:31 am
Since I always have had Sundays off I have actually seen every game in this streak every game that is a lot of losses, I use to think the close heart breakers were the worse but none are close to any game Skittles pants has played and this fool held out and we paid him .
December 15th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Nnamdi does not get challenged enough so no hype on him. He is to good to talk negative about him. Peyton Manning, Favre, McNabb, Brady have all said it ” he is the greatest CB they have ever seen”. Manning introduced him to Archie saying dad this is the best CB in the game.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:36 am
I will not defend Russell anymore but i still do not put the blame on him alone.
Cable can not call a good game and his O-Line that he hand picked got Grads hurt, and did not play with emotion when Jmac went in the game. That to me is the definition of quitter.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:39 am
We need a list of pro’s and con’s with Jmac. Then we need a list of pro’s and con’s with the rest of the team. To see what we all agree on and what we think needs to change to be great again.
1) Pro (above average defense) Con (not consinstent)
2) Pro (good young talent) Con (no one to coach them up)
Ok keep it going…
December 15th, 2009 at 5:40 am
like I said B4….the whole team is just giving Lil Skittle Pantz a taste of his OWN MEDICINE.How’s the teams azz taste Lil Skittle Pantzzz????
December 15th, 2009 at 5:49 am
Well then the whole team if what you say is true needs a reality check. Cause to me they flat out quit period.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:50 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
R8dr4lfe…I agree. With the RBs that we have, we have to go back to the power blocking scheme. And, Cable is ok…he needs a true/real OC.
As for skittle pants and how the rest of the team “giving him a taste of his own medicine”…well…that is not how a team supposed to react out there. Russell was our #2 that day and they ARE supposed to play hard no matter who’s behind center…but…I knew once he ran in to a shower of boos that it was game over!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 5:52 am
That is why Cable should not remain as coach. He allows his players to play soft cause his Grdkowski whent down. When Jmac played poorly he got benched, why did he not bench his pride and joy O-Line when they played like crap.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:57 am
He is using Russell as his scapegoat. He knows the media is on his side and most fans that Russell simply is no good. Ok no biggie but when other players play badly why do they not get benched, why does he only bench the players that the fans and media rag on. I seen Henderson get abused by Orakpo why was he still in the game? I seen C-Green collect flags and jump up and down after a Jmac sack why was he still playing? I seen missed assignments on the LB’s why did they stay in? so he benches the ones he knows are justified cause the media and fan base says so.
December 15th, 2009 at 5:59 am
I didnt say it was right….Skittle Pantzz quit on the team long ago and the team knows it.Did you see how UN-PREPARED he was when he went in.He promised we would ALL see a new improved Skittle Pantzzz.Hell I 4 1 am tired of all his LIES and Bullsh!t.He NEVER prepared,he never took the time 2 learn the play-book…why you ask???? he was 2 busy shopping 4 bling.the mighty bling must be like crack cocaine 2 Lil Skittle.HE IS LOST OUT THERE.WHY SHOULD ANY MEMBER OF THE TEAM RISK INJURY 4 SKITTLE.He wouldnt 4 them
December 15th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Cause they get paid millions to do so.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Besides they were the ones that got Gradkowski hurt, so what was there excuse for that. They are the reason Russell came in to begin with.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:04 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,WILL WE BE CRY’N THE SAME BLUES NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME ? PROBABLY,SORREY 2 SAY..
December 15th, 2009 at 6:05 am
If we keep zone blocking and keep this sorry O-Line then i say we will be singing this same tune next year.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:05 am
And 2 think I held out hope 4 Lil Skittle,defending him against people who were attacking him.Well I SINCERLY APOLIGIZE TO THE NATION MEMBER’S WHO WERE RIGHT.
I WAS WRONG ABOUT LIL SKITTLE PANTZZZ.
he dont give a sh!t about the Raiders or the Proud History of Da Raiders
Just Go Away lil skittle…just go away
December 15th, 2009 at 6:08 am
4eva…Exactly, but still…it’s a team sport! Maybe the rest of the team should show Russell how it’s done. Its like Hines Ward said after the Riaders beat them last week…”we win as a team, and we lose as a team…”
December 15th, 2009 at 6:10 am
That may be true i defended Russell so much, but now i find it hard to defend him. I also know that it is not all on him every player needs to look in the mirror and justify there play as of sunday. That includes Nnamdi why does he keep gettng hurt? man up and play the freakin game. O-Line block for more then 3 seconds, D-Line get to the QB, LB’s gap control and wrap up, CB’s quit complaining about the bad calls and get them on the next play. Like Routt did when he roughed the passer but then came back for another sack 2 plays later against the Bengals.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Injurys happen on play’s across the NFL.It happens and is nobodys fault and everybodys fault.Pass protection breaks down.What you’re saying is they purposly let Grads get injured.4 what???? 2 bring Skittle back in????NO WAY.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Dirt Lot, you are probably right. I am just tired of saying “Next Year, next year…” Now I am crying, “WHEN?”
December 15th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Im saying they are complaining about Russell, well they should have blocked better period with Gradkowski or with Russell. Why leave it so the fingers get pointed in you’re direction. Play hard every play and quit Randy Mossin lol.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:14 am
You know…the funny thing about that is I never seen Grads get carted out or down for too long. I never knew and I don’t think most of the fans knew until we seen JaDingDong warming up to start the 3rd qtr. Sorry to say but that was when i somehow knew it was game over!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:15 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Im saying they are complaining about Russell, well they should have blocked better period with Gradkowski or with Russell. Why leave it so the fingers get pointed in you’re direction. Play hard every play and quit Randy Mossin lol.
Quit Randy Mossin? HAHA! But like I said before and you’re right…its a team sport. Do your part and then everyone else will know that its all Russell.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Even if Grads does NOT work out….we can ALL see he was and is respectfull of the Raiders and gave it EVERYTHING HE HAD.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Not so lil skittle
December 15th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Grads took command of the huddle and showed the rest of the O that as long as he was under center that he was the leader! Something that Russell will never do until he gets his head out of you know where…!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Gradkowski is like Fargas so much heart not enough talent. I wish Dmac, D-Bey, M-Bush, and Jmac had half there heart we would be a great team.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:20 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:14 am
It appears 2 me the whole team HATES lil skittle because in their eye’s he fukked em.He did.The whole Russell thing needs 2B stopped.Lets show him the SAME respect he showed the team.The season is over.It was over in when BRL showed up fat lazy and outta shape.Cut out the Cancer
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4Eva, True words, good post. How can a team respect the “Leader” when he is not in shape, and doesnt know how to do his job i.e. learn the freaking playbook.
BRL is a brain dead….
December 15th, 2009 at 6:20 am
the skittle bag lololololololololaaaaaaalololollololol
December 15th, 2009 at 6:23 am
That is the reason i like when we draft from smaller schools those players are hungrier and want it more. I say no more top 10 picks trade them away. I would trade this pick for Garcon from indy, or even Welker from the Pats. We need heart not big headed monster contract hope they dont hold out pre madonnas.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:23 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:20 am
the skittle bag lololololololololaaaaaaalololollololol
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ROFLMAO…… I almost blew coffee on my laptop keyboard…
December 15th, 2009 at 6:23 am
NO ACCOUNTABILITY ON THIS TEAM,NO ONE 2 ANSWER 2 IF A YOUNG PLAYER,OR ANY PLAYER TAKES A PLAY OR A SERIES OFF OR MAKES A MENTAL ERROR.NO ONE WITH THE U-NO-WHAT’S 2 DRAG RUSSELL’S 60-MILL DOLLAR ARS OUT BEHIND THE COMPLEX AND SAY “PUT IN THE WORK, OR BREAK YOUR LEG TRAINING, OR I WILL BREAK IT MY SELF”THEN TAKE HIS FKN SKITTLES.. THIS TEAM NEED’S A TRUE LEADER /ENFORCER OR 2 .UNTIL THEN..
December 15th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Morning Thec….Please see post #297
December 15th, 2009 at 6:25 am
If we had of drafted both lines the last 2 or 3 years we would be set for a run. It doesnt take 8 years to rebuild. As much as i hate to say it even the whiners look like a football team.
Dont like looking back but if you dont draft for lines and draft skill, you will not win. Everything happens in the trenches, not the 40 time without pads…
December 15th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Jamarcus took more sacks in his one-half of play (6) than Bruce did in his 3 and a half games he started (5).
Co-incidence??? I think not.
Qb’s make great O-lines, not vice versa. Saints replaced 2 lineman from last year, same results. When you have a great system and QB, all the other parts are interchangable.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Jmac still wears silver and black and until he doesnt he will not get booed or bad mouthed by me. I can see that this is not his fault all the way. He has to take alot of blame but not all of it. Our D gives up the biggest chunks of yards per game in the league. Jmac gave us a win against the Chargers in week 1, he gave us a win against other teams that our D gave up. so what would be his true win loss record had those wins stood up and not been givin away?
December 15th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Someone yesterday suggested going after Troy Smith in free agency this off-season. I could go with that. Not to give him the job or anything but just to compete with Gradkowski and even Frye for the starting spot. In my mind that gives us 3 competent options at the QB position — beats the hell out of JaBigMac, Walter and Tui. Or JaBigMac, McCown, Culpepper. Or Brooks and Walter. Or really anything we’ve had in a long time.
Don’t forget, Smith had Flacco beat for the Ravens’ starting job but then got extremely sick right before the season opener, opening the door for Flacco.
Plus Gradkowski and Smith are very similar in size, athleticism, etc., so if one went down the playcalling and scheme could translate to the next guy.
You could probably pay Smith, Gradkowski and Gruden for about what JaBigMac alone is scheduled to make next year.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:28 am
4eva Good Morning,
Yeah I read it prior to reading to get some background. you guys are nutz…
I will say this you guys know how to draft better than our player personnel dept, if we even have one….
December 15th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Not like the good ol days, huh Dirt Lot? Madden would have thrown them on the grill!!! Ooops…
…would have shown them the door!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Thec07,
I’m not saying we don’t need O-line help, but simply drafting O-lineman isn’t going to make a huge difference without a QB or RB.
Look at the Browns, they drafted a LT 3 years ago (Joe Thomas who is a Pro-Bowler) and last year Alex Mack, a stud C. O-line two of the last 3 years…..and their offense is one of the worst in the league and worse than it was when they started drafted these O-lineman. Why??? No QB.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:29 am
The whole team RANDY MOSSED IT when Russell came in.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:30 am
I feel like RANDY MOSSING IT at work today.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Our player personnel dept? Randy Hanson? HAHA!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:32 am
“He said he would like just get up and choke them,” Johnson said.
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The quality coaching up of our Defensive Backs.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:32 am
vegas raider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Thec07,
I’m not saying we don’t need O-line help, but simply drafting O-lineman isn’t going to make a huge difference without a QB or RB.
Look at the Browns, they drafted a LT 3 years ago (Joe Thomas who is a Pro-Bowler) and last year Alex Mack, a stud C. O-line two of the last 3 years…..and their offense is one of the worst in the league and worse than it was when they started drafted these O-lineman. Why??? No QB.
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Vegas, what up Bruh? You do have a good point. system, and QB make a diff, the parts do have to be of good stock, high caliber, working Indviduals, and be a good system fit…
December 15th, 2009 at 6:34 am
morning all.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Vegas, Who is the browns DCO, he should be fired….
December 15th, 2009 at 6:35 am
lmao Hwnrdr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:36 am
It just shows what a sorry state we’re in when we might start a player who hasn’t played a game all season instead of the #1 pick of the draft.
Sucks…
December 15th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Oh….. and good morning Thec07!!!
Again, it’s not that I think our O-line is fine, because it is not. C, RT must be replaced.
And I am all for drafting D-line help, D-line is second most important position, behind QB, IMO.
Just need a plan. I posted it last night, but if we draft a LT say in the first-round, that probably means Mario walks in FA, and than we replace a player with a rookie who makes more and may not be as good. Sound familiar?
We got 4 picks in the first 3 rounds. Two O-linmean, a RB and a LB is my choice.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:38 am
R8dr4life has a very valid point.Our run D is ranked 31st (suprise!!!)in the league.
MLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLB
December 15th, 2009 at 6:39 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:38 am
R8dr4life has a very valid point.Our run D is ranked 31st (suprise!!!)in the league.
MLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLBMLB
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DTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDTDT!!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I would love to package Bush and a pick to trade for a quality RB.
Bush and a 2nd for Jonathan Stewart.
Bush and a 3rd for Marshawn Lynch.
Something like that. D-Mac is a weapon in space, but highly ineffective taking handoffs. We need a guy who can get 20+ carries a game, is good enough blocking and receiving to not have to go off the field in certain situations.
If you think you have 3 RB’s, you really don’t have any.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:40 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Jmac still wears silver and black and until he doesnt he will not get booed or bad mouthed by me. I can see that this is not his fault all the way. He has to take alot of blame but not all of it. Our D gives up the biggest chunks of yards per game in the league. Jmac gave us a win against the Chargers in week 1, he gave us a win against other teams that our D gave up. so what would be his true win loss record had those wins stood up and not been givin away?
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Maybe you’re right about week 1. But what about the Chiefs and Eagles wins? The D stepped up big-time in those two. Face it: If not for the D, JaBigMac would’ve been 0-9 this season.
D is actually pretty good on 9 out of 10 plays but then seems to give up a 40-yard gain on that 10th play. It’s frustrating because it’s never really the same guy or the same unit (d-line, LBs, DBs). So how do you fix it? Seems like we have some good players on that side of the ball right now. Our secondary is the best it’s been in a long, long time. The d-line is much improved. Maybe it has something to do with coaching. Not just scheme but holding guys accountable for major letdowns/screwups. I really don’t know.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:43 am
give us a chance to win the last 3 games …
start Charlie Frye!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:43 am
What’s the point of risking Miller? Put him on I.R. and give Myers a chance.The seasons over,don’t risk the only jewel we have on O.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:45 am
what will happen first when Randy Moss is traded to the Patriots for a 4th round pick?
1. he’ll win a Super Bowl
2. he’ll get frustrated and quit, take games off so to speak
I think we have our answer. haha
December 15th, 2009 at 6:46 am
neilb: couldn’t agree more. don’t want Zach Miller to become the next Dan Morgan (LB, Panthers)
December 15th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Good Point Neilb!!!!.I say bench all starters and lets see what else we got.Oh and Top-O-The-Morning 2 U Neilb!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:49 am
increase the trade value for Michael Bush. start him against the Browns and watch him rumble for 177 yards on 27 carries and 2 TD’s
he saved Cable’s job once. maybe he can do it again?
December 15th, 2009 at 6:51 am
That ship has sailed Rockstar.
Bush got in Cable’s doghouse after the Bengals game, and might even be 4th on the depth chart, behind Gary
Russell now.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:51 am
morning 4eva….
Yeah the seasons done,give the back-ups a chance.Can’t do any worse.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Rod Woodson had 5 concussions during his NFL career
December 15th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Now that Locker isn’t coming out I’m not sold on any of the QBs at the top of this draft. Clausen, McCoy and Bradford all may turn out to be good, but I think there’s high bust potential with each. I’d rather grab Troy Smith in FA and let him and Gradkowski compete for the job.
I’d be tempted by OK State WR Dez Bryant. He’s a specimen in the T.O. or Andre Johnson mold who can actually catch and make plays with the ball in his hands. He’ll be better than any WR from this past draft. Makes me wish even more that we traded down last draft and grabbed Rey Maualuga (starting LB, Bengals) and Phil Loadholt (starting RT, Vikings) like I was suggesting. But Bryant is probably unrealistic considering DHB’s presence along with a bunch of other young, developing WRs.
How sweet would it have been to enter the 2nd round of next year’s draft with Dez Bryant, Louis Murphy and Schilens at WR along with JLH and Nick Miller? To have our RT spot locked down for a long, long time with Loadholt. And have a bone-crushing presence at LB in Maualuga? Not to mention we wouldn’t be buried under the dead money invested in JaBigMac and DHB. Rest of the draft could be used to shore up the trenches and maybe take a flier on a couple of guys with huge upside.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:53 am
#1 reason why Jon Gruden would like to coach the Oakland Raiders …
Danny Southwick
lead us back to greatness oh danny boy!
December 15th, 2009 at 6:53 am
dna staht yhw eh lkat ekil siht
December 15th, 2009 at 6:54 am
translation….
and thats why he talk like this lol
December 15th, 2009 at 6:54 am
4eva: huh?
you speak Russian?
December 15th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Can’t remember how many Millers’ had so far…..but only 5 for Woodson? I always remember him being as tough as rawhide.
December 15th, 2009 at 6:55 am
LOL. is that Russell for “pass me the mayo” ???
December 15th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Can’t remember how many Millers’ had so far…..but only 5 for Woodson? I always remember him being as tough as rawhide.
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GRETA VAN SUSTEREN had Mike Ditka & Rod Woodson on her show. thats what Rod said
Zach Miller has his 2nd concussion of the season. put his brain on ice for the remainder of the season. we have no shot at the wildcard
December 15th, 2009 at 6:59 am
time to work. later gents!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:01 am
vegas raider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Jamarcus took more sacks in his one-half of play (6) than Bruce did in his 3 and a half games he started (5).
Co-incidence??? I think not.
Qb’s make great O-lines, not vice versa. Saints replaced 2 lineman from last year, same results. When you have a great system and QB, all the other parts are interchangable.
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Colts averaged 51 sacks in the three years before Manning came to town.
They averaged just 19 in the three years after.
That’s more than just co-incidence.
A smart QB can make all the difference.
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A 2nd and 3rd round pick on an O-linemen should be good enough to fill some holes.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:01 am
lmao Rockstar
December 15th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Now that is funny, Rockstar!!! Pass me the mayo…hahaha!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Rockstar,
PLAYOFFS?!?! Don’t talk to me about– PLAYOFFS?!?! Are you kiddin me?! Playoffs?
December 15th, 2009 at 7:04 am
vegas raider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Jamarcus took more sacks in his one-half of play (6) than Bruce did in his 3 and a half games he started (5).
Co-incidence??? I think not.
Qb’s make great O-lines, not vice versa. Saints replaced 2 lineman from last year, same results. When you have a great system and QB, all the other parts are interchangable.
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Amen.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:13 am
If we’re talking about systems ie. coaching…
Watched the Colts/donkey game.Broadcaster pointed out that both the starting DT’s for the Colts were on other teams practice squads last year and that excellent scouting and line coaching had made them starters this year.
When was the last time we found a diamond in the rough?
December 15th, 2009 at 7:13 am
How’s this for a movie script idea:
Weekend at Bernie’s 3:
Bernie somehow lands a job as the head coach of a hapless NFL franchise. Then leads them to a Super Bowl victory. The one hangup is that I’m not sure it’s plausible the corpse has been preserved this long.
Come on, one of you guys out there must have some Hollywood connections. Get me in the door on this one.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Neilb,
CJ and Gradkowski in free agency. Branch, Schilens, and Scott late in the draft. Problem is more about whiffing on big-ticket FAs (Walker, Kwame, etc.) and at the top of the draft (JaBigMac, DHB, etc.).
December 15th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Good morning Nation!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Chris
The Oilne is the heart of your footabll team. Period.
That is why the Raiders are losing. A very poor Oline without Gallery and an average one with him.
It is true that the next most important thing on your team is a smart, accurate QB that makes good decisions.
THE QB CAN NOT DO THAT IF THE TEAM HAS NO RUN THREAT(OLINE) AND NO TIME TO THROW (OLINE)
Many on this blog have lost sight of the fact that FOOTBALL IS A GAME OF BLOCKING AND TACKLING.
THAT IS THE FOUNDATION OF YOUR TEAM.
Skill,speed and decision making all need time and space to be succesful.
Gradkoski is hurt because of poor Oline play.
We better wake up in this years draft.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:21 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 6:38 am
R8dr4life has a very valid point.Our run D is ranked 31st (suprise!!!)in the league.
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GASHED, I say …. GASHED !!!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Blog title should read: Southwick could get the nod
December 15th, 2009 at 7:24 am
So I guess we now know about Jivin’s offseason treatment, lol.
But Tiger? I guess they did both have knee injuries, lol.
How can the doctor be dumb enough to get caught with the HGH in his bag at an airport?
December 15th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Chris…
Okay,I’ll give you them….the point I was trying to make was that we can’t coach worth a sh!t.We’ve all the talent but no coaching or winning system.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Good Morning Jhill BRO….LMAO
GASHED….GASHED I SAY!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:32 am
The run defense issue proves the point.
New proven DC and same result.
It is not the coaching or the system.
It is the players NOT MAKING PLAYS AND TACKLING.
Seymour is a help but Warren and Kelly?????? Pathetic given their salaries.
Ellis has little left at 34.
After the Oline the Dline needs help in this year’s draft as well.
I would also hope that every one sees that solid SS play is not the answer to stopping the run.
Run defense and pass defense starts with the Dline.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:32 am
We need to draft offensive linemen.
Offensive tackle is the most important position on the football field.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Any Lt should have the arm length measured don’t wanna another T-rex arm Lt like Gallery .
December 15th, 2009 at 7:40 am
It is the players NOT MAKING PLAYS AND TACKLING.
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And you can just see it when you watch other teams. Where is out Darnell Dockett or Adrian Wilson? Where is our Patrick Willis or Gholston?
We need solid tacklers and some big hitters in the worse way.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:45 am
It is the players NOT MAKING PLAYS AND TACKLING.
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Isn’t that what coaches coach ?
December 15th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Off to make my dinner,back tomorrow if I don’t burn the house down!
Enjoy your Tuesday,
later….
December 15th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Be carefull Neilb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 7:51 am
It is time to bring back Gruden. He’s the perfect coach to work with Al. Come on, Al. Do it! Smash mouth football with a QB who can throw it downfield
December 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Per the Times, Galea has “developed a reputation among elite athletes for accelerating recovery after surgery or for helping them avoid surgery altogether.”
That said, Galea claims he never has treated professional athletes with HGH.
“All these athletes come see me in Canada cause I fix them, and I think people just assume that I’m giving them stuff,” Galea told the Times. “They don’t have to come to me to get H.G.H. and steroids. You can walk into your local gym in New York and get H.G.H.”
Galea’s patients include Broncos quarterback Chris Simms and Raiders receiver Javon Walker. Also, unnamed NFL players take “red-eye flights on Monday nights for treatment on Tuesdays,” ostensibly to utilize Galea’s platelet-rich plasma technology.
In the offseason, word emerged that Walker had knee surgery without the team’s knowledge or involvement. Based on the Times report, it appears that Walker underwent a cartilage-replacement procedure on his knee in Jerusalem.
As in Israel. Because the procedure hasn’t been approved yet for use in the United States.
“He’s a person who just wants to help and heal,” Walker said of Dr. Galea. “And the world is going to soon know about him.”
Walker is right, but not in the way he thinks.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am
No Neil
We have been changing coaches with the same results.
Everyone thought RR was the problem last year.
I guess he was not. Marshall is solid with considerable past success but he can not overcome a lack of talent especially on the Dline.
Kelly and Warren are below average. I posted yesterday that they are the two worst values on this team behind JR in terms of lack of production relative to salary.
Get two solid tackles and we will stop the run.
That simple.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:55 am
LB’s are your guys on Defense that need to make “plays” and tackle better.
Our D-line makes some plays, TK is the 5th leading tackler for D-lineman in the NFL, and Seymour, Ellis and Shaughnessy are all very solid. But our LB’s……rarely make plays throughout the game.
Humongous holes at LB. Really, over the last 4-5 years it is the only position on D that has not changed much personnel-wise. And we stink at stopping the run each year.
LB is the answer.
December 15th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Surgery in Jerusalem???
Boy, Javon sure is a sucker isn’t he? That’s why Vegas jacked him, easy prey.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Funny how this comes out after we were just kickin the Jivin’ situation around. Now I see why the guy hasn’t played. And now we know why he looked so explosive to Jerry on the sidelines that one week.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:04 am
yep the O-line has 5 guys plus a TE.Soo with 4 DL you are 1or 2 short.Try and keep up lol!!!!
When a hole opens up a LB is supposed 2 stick his head in there.A DISGUSTING MLB is what we need along with at least 1 DT,imo
December 15th, 2009 at 8:04 am
But if Toby or Javid are there we gotta take them THEN all LINEMEN,imo
December 15th, 2009 at 8:06 am
That Andre Carter of the Skins is the NFL’s leading tackler for D-lineman, and 3rd in sacks behind Jared Allen and Freeney.
I didn’t realize Andre was balling like that this year. Cal Bear!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Jahvid Best is going to tantalize Al. He might run the fastest 40 in the draft.
We know how this story normally ends.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Time and again these young D-linemen come into the NFL and start ballin from the get-go.why dont we just grab a few
December 15th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I think this is the year we will see an Olineman taken in Rd 1 and 2. BY FAR, the biggest area of need on the team.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:12 am
The Raiders need a scheme to fit the talent. Cable is not the guy to do that. One thing is certain, Gruden’s teams were always competitive, and played hard, unlike the Raiders in the past seven years
December 15th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Don’t hold your breath Jhill.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:14 am
LA To the Bay,
LMAO. Love the stories.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:15 am
we was GASHED….GASHED I SAY
When Grads came in our time of posession went up and the chains were moving,which 2me says our O-line isnt 2 bad,could be better of course.
We are 31st against the run,I believe so
we was GASHED….GASHED I SAY….
Is this as annoying as “Where’s The Commish”???
December 15th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Vegas
An AFC scout (I forget for what team-may have been Denver)
stated that the biggest issue they try to exploit with the Raiders run defense was allowing Olineman to get to the second level.
They focused on mismatches against our LB’s BECAUSE OUR TACKLES WERE TOO SLOW TO MAKE ENOUGH PLAYS!!!!!!!
That was the comment of an NFL scout.
Just watching Kelly and Warren shows you how little push they get on a pass rush.
Just like I have said the best way to stop the other teams offense is stop the run and prevent a QB form stepping into throws-face pressure.
EVERYTHING STARTS WITH THE LINE.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Jhill,
IF we re-sign Mario at LT, you still want to draft O-line in round 1?
Too much money for a RT, both the draft pick or the resigned Mario Henderson, IMO.
If we don’t re-sign Mario than I can see it. BTW, have you seen what happened to Jason Smith, #2 pick in the draft?
December 15th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Johnson laughed when asked if defensive assistant and Raiders Hall of Famer Willie Brown talked about playing cornerback in the true bump-and-run days of the American football League.
“He said he would like just get up and choke them,” Johnson said. “I’m like, ‘You can’t do that no more. You do that you’ll surely get flagged.’ We try to play the rules of this game. He tries to get us to do what he did back then. I said, ‘Nah, that ain’t going to work.’ ”
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This is why we are a schyt team…even our assistant coaches are still stuck in the 70s and don’t even know the current rules.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Charlie,
I think a scaled-down salaried TK is OK, but Warren is not NFL starter caliber. But Seymour is a proven Pro-Bowler and our ends are pretty good as well.
While I agree D-line is VERY important, we have had the same two LB’s for the last few years, and our other LB spot has been a constant recycling of crap.
Upgrade that position and the run D improves. Maybe not dramatically, but would definately put us closer to average at least.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:22 am
I really don’t think Kelly and Warren are the problem. Of course by far the No. 1 problem has been the QB position. In games started and finished by Gradkowski we’re 2-1. Even though we were losing to Washington at halftime I really feel like we were outplaying them. Gradkowski was having his best game, avoiding the rush and hitting throws all over the field.
But as far as the Run D, the big runs are coming off-tackle. That’s the fault of the DEs and LBs. Kelly and Warren have little if anything to do with that. Typically it’s a missed tackle or two that springs those runs. Not Marshall’s fault either. I don’t know, Kirk and T-Howard look so good at times and have incredible physical ability. But they need to learn how to shed blocks. Kirk gets sucked into the middle of the line and gets stuck in there when the RB emerges off-tackle. He needs to do a much better job of reading plays and shedding blocks. He does it really well alot of times, but he’s too inconsistent and if the MLB is completely out of the play and the RB gets past the d-line, he only has to put one move in the open field on a safety to spring for 40 or 50 yards.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:22 am
Tommy Kelly has the fifth most-tackles for Defensive Lineman, and 3rd most for DT’s.
I’m not saying he is the 5th best D-lineman or 3rd best DT, by any means. But it has to count for something right?
December 15th, 2009 at 8:25 am
I do Vegas, and lol Dakota, I’m certainly not holding my breath.
Our Oline is flat out terrible IMO, and it needs to be addressed RIGHT NOW! Just like when we drafted Gallery and Grove with our first 2 picks.
I don’t like the thought of Gallery coming back after back surgery. It’s not going to be pretty. We need 4, FOUR !!!!, new starters on the Oline.
Now you know I don’t think we are set at LB, CB/KR, and a few other positions. But the Oline can no longer be ignored. If it was the pick we should have went with last year, it certainly has not gotten any better to say it shouldn’t be the pick this year.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:26 am
This is why I think the YOUNG-BULL,Desmond Bryant should be starting.Young strong as a bull and very quick at the point of attack,imo.
If I was DC I would….
Tho this move may not be popular,I would move Seymour to DT next to Bryant.This may not be the heavist DT tandem in football but would be the quickest.
Put Richardson in full time,the guy is a proto-typical DE,imolong and strong.Shaunessy starts on the other side with Ellis coming in whenever the game call for.
If there is another Patrick Willis out there 4godsakes Al get him
Depending on if Best or Gerhardt are there get them if not MLB baby,imo
December 15th, 2009 at 8:27 am
vegas raider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Jhill,
IF we re-sign Mario at LT, you still want to draft O-line in round 1?
Too much money for a RT, both the draft pick or the resigned Mario Henderson, IMO.
If we don’t re-sign Mario than I can see it. BTW, have you seen what happened to Jason Smith, #2 pick in the draft?
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Come on Vegas, a tackle is a tackle, both sides are important. How many drive killing penalties has Green had over the past few years? If we can get a decent right tackle at the #7 or 8 pick in the draft then so be it. Or if we pick a tackle that beats Mario out and moves him to the right side, then we are all that much stronger at the end of the day.
Do you think Michael Oher playing RT for us this season would have helped more than DHB?
And as to tackles failing with high draft picks…EVERY POSITION HAS HAD HIGH DRAFT PICKS FAIL! Every pick at every position is a risk.
If Al based his 1st round picks based on previous busts, we would be stuck drafting kickers and punters in the top 10.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:28 am
this is the good thing about having soooo many needs….whoever Al picks most of us will be right lol
December 15th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Morning Boys,
Any of you guys been to Ricky’s in San Leandro? I’m back in town this week and plan on going there Sunday to watch the game if they start anyone other than the Big Walrus.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Vegas
We are 31st in run defense.
I am not trying to be difficult but if Kelly’s tackles are after a seven yard gain he is not doing us much good.
We get no pass rush from our tackles either.
Looking at salary relative to production, Kelly and Warren are the worst values on the team behind JR.
Those three issues will be addressed this off season.
We desperately need better athletes on both lines and we have to do it through the draft.
Free agents rarely produce up to their lofty contracts.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:30 am
JHill,
I don’t want to ignore the O-line either, and I also don’t want to go overboard. There has to be a happy medium, lol.
BTW, that whole Gallery-Grove deal didn’t really work all that well.
If Cable returns, and honestly the guy deserves a shot to coach without Jamarcus if even just one year, don’t be suprised if they re-sign Cornbread. You know his crush on him and he will be cheap. Just preparing you bro!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 8:32 am
BTW, have you seen what happened to Jason Smith, #2 pick in the draft?
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I haven’t …
December 15th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Individually I think Kelly and Warren are a push, but I just don’t think they should be playing along side each other. I still think we need a big, strong NT that will eat up the blockers and free up our 3 tech DT and our DEs. Put Warren or Kelly along side one of those big NTs and good things might happen.
Add a strong MLB to the mix and suddenly our 30th ranked rush defense gets much much better.
The problem is Al thinks Warren and Kelly are the answer…so we just keep struggling.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Great point Dakota
If you look at the last nine years, we have drafted fewer lineman with our top two picks than any other point in organization history.
It is not a coincidence that we also happen to have our worst record during that time.
We have had two first round line busts that I can think of.
John Clay OT and Bob Buchowski DT (injury).
Other than that we have had pretty good success with lineman picked in the first two rounds.
We desperately need help on both lines.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:34 am
If Cable returns, and honestly the guy deserves a shot to coach without Jamarcus if even just one year,
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No he doesn’t!
You forget that it was Jamarcus who got Cable his job by the way he finished last year, and endorsed him publicly and to Al.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Bruce easily could’ve had 200 yards passing in that first half vs. Washington. He had 153. There was about a 20-yard completion to Miller that got called back for offensive PI. There was the drop by Miller that would’ve been good for 30+. There was the roughly 30-yard catch by Murphy that was overturned as a drive-killing non-catch. And there was the pass to Schilens that was also questionably ruled incomplete. Hell, Gradkowski could’ve thrown for 250 in the first half.
Raiders need to offer him a contract ASAP. You could probably pay him a third of what JaBigMac is due to make for 10x the production.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:36 am
thats because #2 feels in-debted 2 Cable for playing him when he wasnt supposed 2,imo lol
December 15th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Dakota,
Of course we would be better off with Oher, but that is because he has been one of the best players, at any position in the draft.
My point is, drafting just any tackle is no fool-proof way of doing it.
DHB can’t catch, that’s why that pick isn’t working. If it were Percy Harvin, he would help our offense more than Monroe or Jason Smith.
It’s not the position it is the player.
And do we really want to just draft guys and move them around? I don’t trust the Raiders with that. Phil Loadholt was a natural RT, played it in college, was a 2nd round pick and is a stud. I like that approach better.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
I’m suprised Florida Pete hasn’t came in and touted the play of Jasper Brinkley this weekend.
Played very well in his first NFL start.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Vegas
The draft is never a sure thing.
The simple fact is that you will not build lines that will win a super bowl with fifth and sixth round picks.
We need athletes and young duarble play makers.
As I have said before lineman represent 41% of the starting 22.
We need to invest at least that perceantage of first and second round picks on lineman.
FOOTBALL HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE A GAME OF BLOCKING AND TACKLING.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY AND NEEDS SOLID LINEPLAY TO DO THEIR JOBS.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:41 am
For an organization that won SBs because of its o-line, it sure seems like Al has forgotten the most important part of the offense…the o-line.
I know Al got burned with the Gallery-Grove draft, but just because a couple individuals failed doesn’t mean that the initial premise was incorrect.
All those QBs and WRs in the 70s and early 80s would have been a lot less effective without our great o-lines.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:42 am
JR pulled for Cable, cause he was afraid that he’d get a ‘hard ass’ coach, who would actually make him do the needed work to correct his alleged game…you remember, a guy like gruden who demanded his guys become better at their job.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:45 am
And Bruce wasn’t getting any better protection than JaBigMac. Sorry. The difference was he was getting into his drop twice as fast as JaBigMac, evading the first pass rusher, stepping up and delivering the ball on target. JaBigMac would clumsily waddle back, stand there staring down a single receiver — wondering why 3 defenders would flock to that one guy he stares down — and then get tattooed by the first defender to break through the line with no pocket presence whatsoever.
Some of the sacks JaBigMac took he had a ton of time to throw the ball (by NFL standards, say 4-5 seconds). I swear. The Redskins d-line was getting the best of our o-line — but that was happening all day.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Regardless, If Russell doesn’t tell Al he’s cool with Cable coming back, Cable NEVER gets the job.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Dakota, look at those maulers on the Giants, Patriots and Chargers. As you know, that was what our o-lines once looked like. I don’t believe Cable has done a good job acquiring lineman, and the line has not been very effective.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
When players are pulling for a coach it generally means the coach is a pushover or, if not a pushover, then a great coach.
Which category do you think Cable falls into?
The players loved the fact that Cable stopped making them practice extra and they knew he could be walked over at any time…players are like children…they will take the substitute teacher over the hard ass teacher ten times out of ten.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Henderson had a terrible game against the Skins but has played well the rest of the year and will continue to improve. You don’t draft a RT with a top pick so we should go DL. Ellis is injury prone and Shaughnessey and Richardson are good depth guys but don’t know if they’ll ever be dominant starters so even if we lock Seymour up DE is a good way to go. There are also some good DT’s in the draft that could compete with Kelly and Warren for a starting job
December 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Morning Nation.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Chris,
Of course we should resign Bruce. Which is why we need an Oline to protect the little guy instead of him taking so many hits. Yes he gets the ball out, but it’s right before he gets blasted. We need our Oline to keep our QB upright!
And opening some running lanes would be nice too.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:48 am
The days of Kenny Stabler standing flat-footed in the pocket for 5 seconds are over fella’s.
No matter who you draft and put on the O-line, in today’s NFL there are going to be defenders on your QB’s azz. Every team has plays were defenders have a clear run at the QB, Bress and Manning and other great QB’s get rid of the ball, and crappy QB’s get sacked.
Just the why it is, and you can’t convince me otherwise.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Another telling stat from that game:
Each player played one half. Each completed 10 passes. Gradkowski’s 10 went for 153. JaBigMac’s 10 went for 74. As great as JaBigMac’s arm is, he can’t get the ball down field. He has no willingness to pull the trigger on deep throws. When he does his accuracy is not good enough to make completions.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:48 am
There are 3 stud DT’s in this draft. Suh, Cody and that other guy from Oklahoma. We absolutely must get one of those 3.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Lets pull the trigger on some good O-linemen in free agency.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Chris,
JR wait until the guy is open before he throws. Grad throws the ball while the guy is going through his cut. Big Diff why JR struggles and why the Oline struggles.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Vegas, have you not been watching Brady in New England? He stands in the pocket much like Stabler did. And I am not trying to convince you of anything. Just stating a fact.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Jadeadly only looks one way!
December 15th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Then dumps it off to his TE!
December 15th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Capn’,
Agree on Brady’s time inthe pocket, but he slides himself around w/in the pocket to buy a lot of that time.
JR has a bad habit of setting up shop and waiting. His first series, he actually pump faked on his first throw, and then went back to the old habits. He also ran backwards to avoid a inevitable sack, giving up valuable ground in FG territory…
December 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Chris
No question that Grad is more mobile and a better decision maker than JR.
At this point he is much better for the Raiders than JR.
The problem is GRAD IS HURT BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT KEEP DODGING DEFENSIVE LINEMAN.
JR will need to renegotiate or he will be gone next season. Guaranteed. Mr Davis did not like his contract to begin with. The same with Kelly. I think Warren’s contract ($5mill a year- more than Seymour) is up and he will go along with Walker.
Improve our Oline and Dline in the draft and go with Gradkowski and we will be very competitive next year.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Just imagine if Grads had an Oline and a real coach!
Chris, you talk about Grads yards, but 3/4 of that came on 2 plays to McFadden. Once Washington adjusted a corner on to McFadden, I thought it was going to be a huge day for the WRs. Cable NEVER adjusted to now attack from the slot who the S was now covering. I didn’t happen one time man. That was the final straw for me in regards to Cable.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:57 am
CaptainBlack,
And what happened when this great O-line played the Giants in the Super Bowl? He got the crap kicked out of him and lost.
A great D-line beats a great O-line most all the time. When the Ravens were going, did it matter what O-line they played against? They pushed around EVERYBODY!!
Having a good O-line will help build wins against crappy teams, so it would be a great start for the Raiders. But if you are going to be a playoff level team, you better have a QB and some play-makers or you will be like the Titans last year, 3 points and going home.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Van, JaMarcus is lost out there
December 15th, 2009 at 8:57 am
# aig Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Chris,
JR wait until the guy is open before he throws. Grad throws the ball while the guy is going through his cut. Big Diff why JR struggles and why the Oline struggles.
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Yeah, Russell doesn’t have the mental capacity to be QB. Have to know where your receivers will be and where they are going at all times. Timing is a huge part of the passing game.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Yep just like the corner to JLH….that ball was thrown and was there waiting 4 him and it would’ve been a TD but JL slippped for 1 second
December 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am
We need o-line help and LB/NT help imo.
You can’t fix all three spots in one draft, so which has priority?
I think the o-line needs at least three players. At minimum we need a new C, which could be had in round 2….we also need a RT which, as Vegas pointed out, could also be had in round 2.
In round 1 I take the best DT or LB on the board and then take the best C or RT available in round 2, and address whichever of the DT, LB, RT, or C that we did not pick in rounds 1 and 2 with our two 3rd round picks….then I let Al experiment with the rest of the picks, lol.
December 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Man, if Russel plays Dawkins might kill somebody…If Frye plays maybe we upset the Broncos!…Convert DMC into a WR, convert DHB into an Olympic Bobsledder, convert Jamarcus into something other than a POS.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Vegas, that Superbowl was decided by a catch on 4th down. Those two teams had great o-lines and d-lines.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Why don’t we just draft a Real Coach? Drafting all the College Names in the world won’t fix our crappy system. The Raiduz can’t develop talent. Period.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Vegas
BIG difference bewteen pressure and not being able to step into throws and getting hit all the time.
Gradkowski is hurt because of poor protection.
Grad is a quick decision maker and mobile.
He was living on borrowed time against the Steelers and the poor protection finally got him.
You need to fix the line or keep five QB’s on the roster.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Jhill it would have been a big day 4 our WR’s after the Redskins put a corner on Dmac but a bad thing happened alond the way,Grads got injured.I believe Grads would have dissected that move by Redskins and exploited it all the 2nd half
December 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Assuming our $154 million dollar payroll isn’t going down much in 2010, and with our owner trying to sell chunks of the team to raise money, I seriously doubt we will be a big dealer in free agency in 2010.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:03 am
5 sacks Bruce had in 3 and half games, against 4 pretty good Defenses.
Sure he was running around making plays and under pressure, but he was able to do it. A little tinker at RT and maybe C, with a heady QB and we will be fine.
5 sacks fellas in over 3 games. And if you dig deep, one of those sacks was on the double-pass in Pitt, another on the first play in the Steelers game when the ball slipped, and one on the last play of the half in the Dallas game.
Stats are stats. Russell gave up more sacks in a hour than Bruce did in a month, literally!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Jon Becker you are a villian!
Was it ‘marijuana,’ ’schit,’ or ‘double double’ that caused your moderation?!
Isn’t this supposed to be America or something?
December 15th, 2009 at 9:03 am
los raiders de don rober Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Man, if Russel plays Dawkins might kill somebody
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you are so right. if Russell plays, you’re gonna be seeing either the receivers short arming all day or laying dead out there.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:05 am
I Agree with Dakota 100%, and I would add that no starter type free agent wants to come here.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
“Convert DMC into a WR, convert DHB into an Olympic Bobsledder, convert Jamarcus into something other than a POS.”
LMAO!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
You make our point, Vegas. This o-line is not built to protect a QB like JaMarcus. The line is quick and undersized, better suited for a mobile QB. And when you have a slow, dim-witted QB like JaMarcus, you have trouble.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:06 am
The JaMarcus trifecta:
1) Interception
2)Fumble for score
3)Getting your recievers killed w/ poor pass
4) Bonus a handful of sacks
He’s paying off for every Defense he plays.
Hell, it only took him 1 half to get there last week…PATHETIC
December 15th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I think it says a lot that the play of Grads has gotten some of us to look into the future and talk about draft picks again. It was feeling pretty darn hopeless with JaDumbbell for a while there.
Build the O-line. Murphy is already a play-maker. Get Schilens completely healthy. And hopefully, HOPEFULLY, DHB will amount to something. Who knows though. And I really hope we keep Bush and we either get a coach that realizes he’s the best all-around back we have or Cable finally pulls him out of his doghouse.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Becker, was it ‘bastard’?
December 15th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Jhill,
I agree. O-line is top priority … after signing Bruce to a multi-year deal.
Dez Bryant would tempt me with our No. 1 pick becuase I think he’s going to be an elite playmaker. But I realize that we have a ton of young WRs we’re already trying to develop, so it’s unlikely. In that case I’m looking at OT or DT because there are some really good DTs at the top of this draft. Bryant aside, here are the guys I’d look at:
- Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
- Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
- Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
Ndamukong Suh is not going to be available when we pick. That’s why I didn’t list him.
If I’m pulling the trigger on the pick though I take Dez Bryant and focus on the lines through the rest of the draft and in free agency.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Vegas
Even if you do not think performance on the line is an issue, age alone should make you realize we have HUGE line problems.
Carlisle and Green are on the wrong side of 30. Gallery’s career may be over.
Ellis may retire. Seymour is 30. Warren is 31.
We have neglected the lines for the past nine years and it has killed this franchise.
As I have said before UPSHAW, SHELL, DALBY,MARVIN,LAWRENCE made guys like Van Eeghan, Hubbard, Plunkett,Stabler and Banazak.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Banana, Bush does not appear to want to play in Oakland. He is bidding his time for a new team and big contract.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:09 am
All right fella’s I got to get to work. Nice lively, intelligent convo, been fun!!!
I’m sure we will drive each other crazy come Feb and March, before the draft.
Cheers
December 15th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Okung is my favorite as of right now….
DRAFT OKUNG!!!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Wait, DRAFT CODY!
DRAFT SPIKES!
DRAFT THAT OTHER LB THAT I CAN’T REMEMBER THE NAME OF RIGHT NOW!!!!
I wish we could draft them all.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:12 am
This has 2B the most telling thing of all.
When #2 was at the helm opposing defense’ were jamming the line with players.And our RB’s couldnt pick up more than a yard or 2 mostly.Fact
Gradkowski comes in and HOLY SMOKES!!!! Everybodys favorite RB in the whole world,Fargas is getting 10 yards on 1st down pitches.Fact
IMHO….this is pretty easy =)
December 15th, 2009 at 9:13 am
So if it was none of those, Becker, it means there was no trigger word like ’shoes’ or some such ridiculous thing.
You just have a problem with the image of a deranged John Herrera breaking Grad’s kneecaps and a drunk Jon Gruden in tears because Al hired a bus boy over him, huh?
Punk.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Before I go….
Charlie Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
As I have said before UPSHAW, SHELL, DALBY,MARVIN,LAWRENCE made guys like Van Eeghan, Hubbard, Plunkett,Stabler and Banazak.
NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
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Charlie I don’t doubt that, not one bit. But that was 1970 something, Dalby and Van Eeghan aren’t pertinant for today’s NFL.
That was back when Willie Brown “just went up and choked people”, LOL. In 2009 it is a QB league. Super Bowls are decided by Holmes and Fitzgerald, and every rule change is done to favor the offense and QB/WR’s.
We gotta get with the now. Explain to me why the Browns still suck offensively even though they drafted a C and LT, who are both fantastic, in the last couple years in the first round. QB!!!!
I will read the response later.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:14 am
4eva, are you saying there is nothing wrong with the o-line? Is it all JaMarcus?
December 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Current draft position:
PICK TEAM W OPP%
1 RAMS 1 0.548
2 BUCCANEERS 1 0.563
3 BROWNS 2 0.519
4 LIONS 2 0.534
5 CHIEFS 3 0.519
6 REDSKINS 4 0.486
7 RAIDERS 4 0.514
8 SEAHAWKS 5 0.471
9 BEARS 5 0.495
10 BILLS 5 0.510
11 PANTHERS 5 0.548
12 STEELERS 6 0.486
13 49ERS 6 0.490
14 FALCONS 6 0.500
15 TEXANS 6 0.538
16 TITANS 6 0.553
17 JAGUARS 7 0.490
18 RAVENS 7 0.514
19 JETS 7 0.529
20 GIANTS 7 0.534
21 DOLPHINS 7 0.543
22 CARDINALS 8 0.457
23 COWBOYS 8 0.500
24 BRONCOS 8 0.514
25 PATRIOTS 8 0.529
26 PACKERS 9 0.428
27 BENGALS 9 0.457
28 EAGLES 9 0.490
29 CHARGERS 10 0.457
30 VIKINGS 11 0.423
31 SAINTS 13 0.394
32 COLTS 13 0.481
December 15th, 2009 at 9:16 am
JaMarshmallow Truffle will start, be yanked in the 2nd after contributing to a 10-0 (Bronco) lead.
Frye Cook will come in and save the day only to have a lapse in discipline cause Chris Johnson to be burned by Brandon Marshall deep.
Or maybe Trevor Scott, as I’m sure Marshall will be picked up by a linebacker.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:18 am
# CaptainBlack Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Banana, Bush does not appear to want to play in Oakland. He is bidding his time for a new team and big contract.
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I would be too if I was placed in the coach’s doghouse for something so stupid as not wanting to play fullback or needing a breather after 5 straight rushes. Cable is an idiot for that move!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Actually CaptainBlack,I’m not saying either,tho I would lean 2 a non-practing,non-playbook knowing,sloth like lil skittle pantzzz.But no,my point is
The opposing defenses’ are not able 2 gamble with Gradkowski in there because they already know he will make them pay because Gradkowski is deadly accurate.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:16 am
JaMarshmallow Truffle will start, be yanked in the 2nd after contributing to a 10-0 (Bronco) lead.
Frye Cook will come in and save the day only to have a lapse in discipline cause Chris Johnson to be burned by Brandon Marshall deep.
Or maybe Trevor Scott, as I’m sure Marshall will be picked up by a linebacker.
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Lol, oh schyt…the Marshall-LB matchup…that was fun to watch earlier this season.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
How about drafting a real fullback. Kid from USC would be great in the late third. You could have him in the backfield with McFaddin and the you could motion 20 out and still have a run threat who can also catch and block. (Stanly Helvileia) sorry butchered the name
December 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Let’s trade Bush already. No point and value of keeping him around on the bench. Let’s get a pick for him.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
#7 AGAIN???? say it aint so Dakota!!! lol
December 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Banana, it’s gotta be more, but not absolute.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
MIKE MITCHELL ON FRED SMOOT:
“It was a good football play, a good hit, a good, solid hit you’d be excited about, but once you realize a guy’s hurt, you leave it alone, even say a prayer for him, that’s what I would do. That was a classless act to point at him and continue to get excited, and then to do it right in front of our sideline, who do you think you are?”
“I understand you’ve been in this league a long time, I’m a rookie, but I haven’t seen you do anything. I’ve been watching this game a lot time, I see you talk a lot. I’m not really a talker, I’m a doer. I stay right here in Oakland, I live in Florence, Kentucky, I travel a lot. Hopefully I can see you and we can talk about it.”
CABLE (THE GODFATHER):
“I liked the fact that guys stood up for their teammates, I have no problem with that. In fact, that’s one of the issues that we need more of sometimes, about playing for each other, sticking up for each other, staying strong together, all those things.”
“That’s just another example of it. I told the team this earlier, I was glad to see our approach to how what happened with that hit, the way those guys were talking and all that. It’s like family. You got to take care of your family.”
December 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Offensive lines work as units.
The Browns still are missing 3/5ths of the unit.
It is that simple.
Football is and always will be about BLOCKING AND TACKLING.
It is the basic fundamental that sets up the balnce needed to run an effective offense. It is the basis upon stopping the run so you can get the ball.
It is the basis for everything in the game.
Brandon Marshall caught 21 passes and he LOST.
Why? No balance.
Everything starts with the LINES.
Please do not make it sound like footabll has changed much. Only the media hype has changed.
When was an offensive lineman interviewed after a game???????????
You are falling victim to media hype.
Watch the lines. That is where the games are won and lost.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I’m not a big Chuckie fan because I think hr built an older team that he knew was going to fail. I think that’s one of the reasons he wanted out. That being said; If Al wants him back couldn’t he use the money he got when he traded him as a write off of some sort and add the amount to his salary? There’s gotta be an accountant that could make that work!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Hey DMac;
Way to call your shot last week.
i was watcing the game thinking Cable must have read your comments.
Now let’s hope JR doesn’t get you killed…
December 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:21 am
The opposing defenses’ are not able 2 gamble with Gradkowski in there because they already know he will make them pay because Gradkowski is deadly accurate.
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What?
Garbagekowski career comp % 53.3
with Oakland in 2009 comp % 54.7
Deadly accurate? Maybe if he was a three point shooting guard in the NBA.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Has even priest given up on Russell or will the league know what kind of QB we have IMO Period.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Yeah that team Gruden left stunk only went to the SB the next year.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Just like O-sack-po said….we know he cant run so I was able 2 do all kind of moves to get him….I think that was a nod toward Mario meaning #2 is a sitting duck and you can only contain me 4 so long.#2 is like the fish out of water
December 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
What?
Garbagekowski career comp % 53.3
with Oakland in 2009 comp % 54.7
Deadly accurate? Maybe if he was a three point shooting guard in the NBA.
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Accurate (for us)
December 15th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Cable says: “That’s just another example of it. I told the team this earlier, I was glad to see our approach to how what happened with that hit, the way those guys were talking and all that. It’s like family. You got to take care of your family (except your wife right Cable?).”
December 15th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Sign Jason Cambell
December 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I am sure if Al brought Gruden back the interest in the Raiders would be where it should be, at the top. And the stands would be full again. Raider fans have always associated themselves with Gruden. Maybe Gruden learned something while away. Al, pick up the phone.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Dakota just because of a 54.7% dosent mean he isnt either….WR are dropping and slipping but I have yet 2C him miss a WR or RB.And sometimes DB’s break up a pass just ask JLH in Pittsburgh
December 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
# Dakota Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Cable says: “That’s just another example of it. I told the team this earlier, I was glad to see our approach to how what happened with that hit, the way those guys were talking and all that. It’s like family. You got to take care of your family (except your wife right Cable?).”
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I was thinking if Randy Hanson was/is a Raiders Family member
December 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Yeah Van, he must of really read my schit!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
That is true 4eva.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:33 am
jhill Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pmI just want someone to give me ONE example of Al Davis falling on his sword and admitting he was wrong in terms of decisions HE has made? Just ONE example?
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Lane Kiffin.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Capt Black,
Gruden was younger and a little full of himself then. I am sure getting fired on national tv is quite a humbling experience. Anyone who has been laid off know the feeling. Imagine being on the national headline.
Not sure if we got the money nor Al has the balls to do it but Gruden know this…Oakland is where he is a Rockstar. No other place will love him the way he is loved here.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Who has any proof that Gruden had control of the roster in Oakland and built an old team?
Everyone says Gruden left because he wanted more money and control over the 53 man roster, leaving Al with the player signings…
How do you read from that that Gruden “built” that “old” team? How did he build anything if he didn’t even have control of the 53 man roster?
If you want to attack Gruden, you will have to stick to attacking the way he handled the Bucs, not the Raiders.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
4eva in the pitt game he missed a wide open jlh and a wide open murphy lets not act like sub 60% is amazing accuracy it just shows any qb in the NFL will be better than Tubby. I say let him start rest of games and he is out of the NFL no way any team would want him.
GO RAIDERS
GO LAKERS
December 15th, 2009 at 9:38 am
here is what happend with Gruden in Oak.
In the renegotiation, Gruden wanted control of his own coaches. If you remember, Al got rid of Shaw and brought in Breshnahan.
Al can control the draft.
The money was never an issue. That was agreed verbally by all parties.
When the letter finally came, Al took out the paragraph about the coaches. Gruden decided he wanted out.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Yep…And he does not have to be the GM. Just has to coach the team, work with Al, and win. If Al wants to win now, there is the coach to do it. I like Cable, but he has no connection with the fans, neither did Turner, Shell, White, Callahan, etc. Madden did, not so much with Flores.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I stand corrected Captain thank you….But on that side-line pass I think the WR ran the wrong way but 2b sure he has missed a couple =)
December 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Archive for March, 2007
Randy rumors rampant
Lane Kiffin left Atlanta following the Pro Day of Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson Thursday afternoon as rumors swirled that the Raiders were on the verge of dealing wide receiver Randy Moss to the Green Bay Packers.
According to the Boston Herald, the Raiders would also ship tight end Courtney Anderson to Green Bay. In return, Oakland would receive backup quarterback Aaron Rodgers and a seventh-round draft pick.
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I wish we had Rodgers right now
December 15th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Why do fans keep wishing for O-linmen to be drafted when they KNOW Al doesn’t waste his picks on linmen… the only reason he took Gallery is because he has long hair!
Another thought, when the hell is the league gonna get people to that make the right call!! You know the ones thatfVck up the reviews all the time. Anyone see Fitzgeralds catch last night? 100% a catch, who the fvck can’t see that?!?
December 15th, 2009 at 9:43 am
4eva, that was not me. I like Grad
December 15th, 2009 at 9:44 am
El Tato Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Archive for March, 2007
Randy rumors rampant
Lane Kiffin left Atlanta following the Pro Day of Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson Thursday afternoon as rumors swirled that the Raiders were on the verge of dealing wide receiver Randy Moss to the Green Bay Packers.
According to the Boston Herald, the Raiders would also ship tight end Courtney Anderson to Green Bay. In return, Oakland would receive backup quarterback Aaron Rodgers and a seventh-round draft pick.
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That would have been a franchise changer…Kiffin would still be coaching here and the Rodgers to Johnson hookup would be a thing of beauty!
sigh
December 15th, 2009 at 9:46 am
LMAO DMAC!!!!…and you can repay the favor by “not seeing” that charging DL if lil skittle plays
December 15th, 2009 at 9:49 am
El Tato Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Archive for March, 2007
Randy rumors rampant
Lane Kiffin left Atlanta following the Pro Day of Georgia Tech wide receiver Calvin Johnson Thursday afternoon as rumors swirled that the Raiders were on the verge of dealing wide receiver Randy Moss to the Green Bay Packers.
According to the Boston Herald, the Raiders would also ship tight end Courtney Anderson to Green Bay. In return, Oakland would receive backup quarterback Aaron Rodgers and a seventh-round draft pick.
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How GD good would we be right now if that trade went down? I think GB nixed it though because they didn’t think Moss was worth the headaches and divisiveness at that point. I know Favre really wanted him though.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am
I mean thank you BlackSunday32 I stand corrected thankx….CaptainBlack its all right go ahead and keep it 4 the next time I mess up lololol!!!!
December 15th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Can you imagine Gruden and Hackett with 27 year old Gradkowski? Could be a very lethal trifecta
December 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Jadeadly contributed to all those sacks in the second half, but it was clear that the Offense in particular the O-line didn’t give an A effort in protecting him either. Players don’t want to play when Jadeadly is on the field.
December 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
And did anybody see a JaMarcus’s pass get swatted down against the Redskins? The answer is yes! Who said Grads height was an issue?
December 15th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Joe Haden is going to be our pick in the first round (I am not going to be surprised when that happen)
December 15th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Yeah Capn’, that one made me laugh, add that to the ‘trifecta’ (int/fumble/sacks)
and he showed all of his ‘issues’ at QB in one half of a game, with the SAME o-line that Bruce was playing with…
December 15th, 2009 at 10:04 am
There will be good O-linemen available at seasons end. Let’s sign a few to upgrade the line.
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html
December 15th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Look at that OL Line list. The Saints got Linemen they don’t need. We should start our FA search there. We can use Bush as trade bait.
December 15th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Like the idea.
December 15th, 2009 at 11:03 am
I don’t believe Troy Smith is available for FA next year. We still should go after him with a 2nd round pick and whatever else it would take. Let him and Gradkowski bang it out next year to see who starts. Their styles are similar so they should really be interchangeable. We still need at a minimum a C, RG & RT. We also need to dump the ZBS and just get back to smash mouth power blocking. Let Bush & Fargas start and pick up Rankin for the #3 spot if he’s available. Move DMac to Slot WR spot permanently. Get Nick Miller going to see if he’s going to stick. Get rid of all the losers (I.e. JaBustus, Yvonne Walker, Sam Williams, most of the O-line, etc.). Our WR’s should be Schillins, Murphy, JLH, Miller, DMac & Bey. The KOR should be DMac & Bey. The PR Miller & DMac.
Next year’s draft needs to be OT, C, MLB, G, G/C, DE. A second or third round pick will be needed to trade for Troy Smith. Top all that off with dumping the ZBS and a new HC (Gruden would be nice) and we’ll be competitive.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Al always drafts the fastest player available. Why, oh why, did we not draft Chris Johnson over McFadden? By the way, saw a story on tv that said this year’s class of receivers may have been the best ever. As many as 7 of them should catch over 40 this year. Murphy was mentioned in the top group. Unfortunately, the #1 receiver in the draft, DHB, wasn’t mentioned at all.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
um…. dear mr jerry mac. uhhhh, i think louis murphy is a wr and not a cb. do ur stinking homework dude.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
guys its a bit disgusting that any one player would quit because russell is on the field. these guys should play hard regardless. this shyt of being motivated one game and not the next sux. i know iknow iknow iknow russell sux. i do. but, as i said yesterday, these oline guys get pd. paid to play their position. period. u think lechler would stop punting the hell out of the ball if condo wasnt the snapper? would seabass have a weaker leg if shano wasnt holding for him? the effort put forth by the oline, they all should be running laps or something. congrats to missle mike on his 1st nfl sack. this dude is gonna be a player. watch them do something foolish and have him beef up to play lb. i hope not
December 15th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Draft DT Suh with first pick then draft QB Bradford with 2nd Round Pick…
December 15th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
garcia Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Al always drafts the fastest player available. Why, oh why, did we not draft Chris Johnson over McFadden? By the way, saw a story on tv that said this year’s class of receivers may have been the best ever. As many as 7 of them should catch over 40 this year. Murphy was mentioned in the top group. Unfortunately, the #1 receiver in the draft, DHB, wasn’t mentioned at all.
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Cause DMC is almost just as fast and was ranked higher than CJ….and the dumb old man doesn’t know how to trade down when he has a top 10 pick.
December 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
December 15th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Can you imagine Gruden and Hackett with 27 year old Gradkowski? Could be a very lethal trifecta
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Or can you imagine Gruden and Hackett with a hungry and motivated Michael Vick competing with Grads for the starting QB spot?
That would be a good position to be in….
December 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Gradkowski and Cable gone after this year.
Russell starting, Hackett probably the next HC/scapegoat.
Gruden never coming to Oakland again, even after Al’s dead. Al’s going to leave too many of his boneheaded henchmen in charge, anyway. Gruden’s not stepping foot here if Trask and Herrera are here.
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My worry is with Herrera and Taylor…..those two are the ones probably getting in the old man ear and telling him to screw Gruden…..because they know they will be OUT of their job!
Trask should be smart enough to know, that this dysfuntional organization, team, and fans of the Raider Nation need Gruden to return!
Otherwise….all is lost!