No decision on Russell-Frye
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, December 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pm in Oakland Raiders.
With Bruce Gradkowski almost certainly out of Sunday’s game in Denver, coach Tom Cable said during his weekly press briefing he wanted to give the matter of whether to start JaMarcus Russell or Charlie Frye some more in-depth thought.
Expect Cable to make his call, after discussing it with Al Davis, on Wednesday.
Something Cable will have to take into consideration _ tight end Zach Miller sustained a concussion when he was hit near the end of the game by Rocky McIntosh. It was Miller’s second concussion of the season, the first coming Oct. 4 against Houston.
Given the league’s new guidelines on concussions and pressure to play it safe, Miller is no lock to play. Miller has been the only receiver Russell seems to trust. Russell threw nine of his 16 passes Sunday to tight ends.
More to come . . .
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December 14th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Burn BRL at the stake
December 14th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
BRL = Black Ryan Leaf….
December 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Put in the frye cook…
December 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Cut BRL now…
December 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
BRL, worst QB in the history of the NFL….
December 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Thats when the team went to the post office….
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And I hope they mailed their checks back in along with their effor!
December 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Mr. Davis worst owner, of any sports franchise ever…
December 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Maybe they was just giving Russell a taste of his OWN MEDICINE
December 14th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Is this the bye week Thec?
LOL!
December 14th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
jhill Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Thats when the team went to the post office….
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And I hope they mailed their checks back in along with their effor!
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I said it before, we dont have many stand up guys on this team. 2 of them are on defense, happen to be new guys, Seymour, and ellis. I might throw, Mitchell, and Aso in the mix… Not much else…
December 14th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
jhill Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Is this the bye week Thec?
LOL!
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ROFLMAO…….. For us every week is a bye week…
December 14th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Maybe they was just giving Russell a taste of his OWN MEDICINE
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Arsenic, goes down smooth….
December 14th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Not buying it 4eva …
Totally agree with Raiderdogg on this one. Don’t care who the QB is, the other guys on the field need to be busting their asses! He is dead on about the CFL/UFL and other guys chomping at the bit instead of these quitters.
How about our Oline staying WITH #2 to work on their pass blocking skills. They are HARDLY ones to talk.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Oh I didnt say if it was right or not but you know what comes around goes around
December 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I said it before, we dont have many stand up guys on this team. 2 of them are on defense, happen to be new guys, Seymour, and ellis. I might throw, Mitchell, and Aso in the mix… Not much else…
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Agree Thec! Which is why I understand your leader of men takes when it comes to Jamarcus. Mario and his “you talking to me” act when Grads had to tell him to stop watching the replay on the big screen? LMFAO!
December 14th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Russel will never reach Ryan Leaf or Tony Mandarich status. Most likely, he will just fade away quietly. Those two, along with Bozworth, will always be remembered due to their douche bag personas.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Should sit Miller, Murphy, and Schilens
Let DHB, JLH, and McFadden play WR (Walker as back-up) with Fargas at RB
Hell, give Huff a shot at WR… Couldn’t do worse than DHB.
No sense risking injury to the few good offensive players we have.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
You would think most if not all NFL players were stand up, as they are literally going to war…
Nope Most of them are probable train wrecks….
Grads led these men, they believed and trusted him.
Only thing BRL is good for is stamps, or directions to the post office…
I wouldnt follow BRL…..
December 14th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
especially at golden coral =)
December 14th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Moves that should be made for this pathetic Raider franchise to be respectable again but won’t because Al Davis is stupid:
1A. Restructure down Russells contract or cut him since he is due an undeserved amount of money in an uncapped year next year and use that money to hire the guys in 1B below:
1B. Hire Holmgren as GM/Personnel Man and Hire Jon Gruden as Head Coach
2. Hire Bruce Allen as the capologist
3. Let Holmgeren and Gruden talk to their buddy Andy Reid in Philly about trading for Vick or Kolb to compete with Grads as the starting QB in 2010.
4. If they get a top 6 pick in round 1, then try like heck to trade down! If they can’t trade down…and if they can’t draft Suh, then look to draft MLB Spikes, OT Campbell or DT McCoy.
5. The draft should be focused on upgrading the O and D lines and LB corp.
If the looney old Al man makes all these moves that mentioned above then he actually might have a chance at seeing the team reach a Super Bowl within 3 years or before he dies.
If the stubborn delusional old man Al doesn’t make any of these hires and moves, then the team will continue to SUCK!!
It’s simple…..but to Al Davis it isn’t so simple….because he is a senile, stubborn egotistical old man, who only cares about himself!
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Answering someone elses previous question about needing Allen since there will be no cap in 2010.
The team will still need a competent man like Bruce Allen in charge of handling finances and contracts.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Big Sey Stand up guy
ZMill Stand up guy
MMitchell Stand up guy
Ellis Stand up guy
Murphy Stand up guy
Chaz Stand up guy
Aso Stand up guy
BRL <——- Garbage R Us…
December 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
100% agree with sitting Miller, Murphy and Schilens. Play DHB & Watkins. I don’t know abot JLH, the little guy has been getting plastered over the middle the last couple of week. Why not play Gary Russell in the slot? Al thinks he’s fast enough to return punts, why not give him a shot at some deep routes?
December 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
More thought? Yeah, Cable wants to draw up an essay to Davis on why Frye should start over Russell.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Running back Justin Fargas, who in recent weeks lauded Gradkowski’s command of the huddle and enthusiasm, said, “Well I think we were building something there but we can’t let the momentum or fire be killed by that we have to find a way to keep it going.”
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Uhhh, someone should let Fargas know how that game ended yesterday. The momentum or fire was completely extinguished. It’s not even up for discussion.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
“We knew JaMarcus was a pocket guy,” Orakpo said. “He wasn’t a running threat. So I was able to let loose with all kinds of moves to get to him.”
December 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I’ve been tempted to use other names to refer to JaMarcus Russell. But I’ve refrained.
I think in a few years, just the name JaMarcus will be considered an insult.
“OMG, that guy’s so bad, he’s the next JaMarcus…”
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So true. Maybe they’ll name the new rookie cap (if one is approved) after JaMarcus.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
007, good post Bruh….
December 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Let DHB get reps with BRL, and get killed…..
Let me sleep on that one….
December 14th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Russell was benched in the KC game because of his play on the field. Gradkowski was handed the reigns because of Russell’s failure, not his upside or accomplishments. Graddy started 4 games before his injury. Russell said he learned and has grown from his time on the bench. said he’ll be ready when his number is called. His number was called on Sunday and his play hadn’t changed one bit. He’s still on turd status imo. If Russell can be benched for Bruce, he can be benched for Charlie just the same. neither QB came in here with impressive credentials. they were basically just guys who were ok being backups that weren’t supposed to be talented enough to “push him” or compete for the starting job.
Tom Cable, start Frye against Dungver! give us a chance to win the game. don’t slap the players in the face again. they are playing for pride right now. no way we finish 8-8. just trying to avoid another season of double digit losses
December 14th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Again, what is BRL ???
December 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
BRL <—— Black Ryan Leaf….
December 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
JRUSS is the super hero BRL…..
December 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Rockstar,
Does Southwick get on the roster as the #3 this week?
December 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Thec07 I have met my match. I think I finally found a fellow fan that dislikes BRL as much as I do.
December 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
nobody wants to talk about how Mario Henderson got abused by a rookie tweener …
he looked like a guy who learned pass protection from Barry Sims & Kwame Harris his first 2 years in the league.
oh yeah, he did!
December 14th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
BRL <—— Black Ryan Leaf….
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LOL! Very nice. only a matter of time before Kell starts calling you guys racist for saying "black" instead of "african american". haha
December 14th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
I’ve been tempted to use other names to refer to JaMarcus Russell. But I’ve refrained.
I think in a few years, just the name JaMarcus will be considered an insult.
“OMG, that guy’s so bad, he’s the next JaMarcus…”
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So true. Maybe they’ll name the new rookie cap (if one is approved) after JaMarcus.
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The JaMarcus Russell salary cap…I love it.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
OUr QB situation is so bad that we should really ignore it and focus on building the rest of the team. The chances of getting a QB to rectify this mess came and went with Jamarcus Russell.
We need to start facing the fact that we will NOT have an elite QB anytime soon and focus on building a dominating defense that can hold teams to 17 pts or less. We get a defense like that, we won’t have to worry about offense. We can just run the ball and dink and dunk to eat up some clock.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Einstein Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Thec07 I have met my match. I think I finally found a fellow fan that dislikes BRL as much as I do.
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This is the way I see it. I was asked on this blog to refrain from talking bad about the players. I said OK, I wont say asnything dispariging about them. But if we go into the bye, and have a losing record, I am going to let the team have it. BRL is one of the main objects of my dissatisfaction with the raiders.
He upitomizes ALL that is wrong…
Norco Bob hated BRL…
December 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
he looked like a guy who learned pass protection from Barry Sims & Kwame Harris his first 2 years in the league.
oh yeah, he did!
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LMFAO!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Does Southwick get on the roster as the #3 this week?
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Jhill, #3 ???
Danny Southwick should have been starting since week 1 !
seriously, with your franchise QB, former #1 overall pick having 2 TD’s and 15 turnovers … can you imagine Southwick playing any worse?
December 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
5pm in Podunk. later fellas!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Free Norco!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
nobody wants to talk about how Mario Henderson got abused by a rookie tweener …
he looked like a guy who learned pass protection from Barry Sims & Kwame Harris his first 2 years in the league.
oh yeah, he did!
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He did look bad, but when a DE knows he has a confused, immobile target at QB, it’s like throwing chum in the water.
Total feeding frenzy.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
BRL <—— Black Ryan Leaf….
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LOL! Very nice. only a matter of time before Kell starts calling you guys racist for saying "black" instead of "african american". haha
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Rock, That would be an issue but becuase I am an african american not a prob for me…..
Besides, people need to develop some skin, quit be a sissy over some of this race stuff…
December 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Deep within the bowels of the Legion of Doom (Oakland Raiders Headquarters – Alameda, CA), the Supreme Commander of the Silver & Black ponders the catastrophe that is the 2009 season.
In walks starting quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, joining Davis and Head Coach Tom Cable, who has a very sheepish look on his face.
Gradkowski: Hey, Coach! Mr. Davis.
Cable: Hey, Bruce. Have a seat.
Al: Silence, fat boy! Hey, Bruce. Have a seat.
Cable: How are you feeling?
Gradkowski: Great. Knee’s a bit sore but I’m ready to rock in Denver. Did I read in the paper that I have a torn MCL? That’s rich. Just a bruise really. Those media guys are really full of it, huh?
Al: You do have an MCL tear.
Gradkowski: No, really it’s fine.
Davis pushes a button, and with the hiss of hydraulics, the bookshelf in his office slides open to reveal Assistant Executive John Herrera, wielding a Louisville Slugger.
Gradkowski: Hah, man I heard you guys were different here in Oakland, but man, this is rich. You guys crack me up. But seriously, coach, let’s talk about Denver. I’ve been noticing their over-pursuit. I think if we can buy some time, I can make some plays with my legs.
Al: You have an MCL tear.
Gradkowski: Mr. Davis, really, I’m good –
Herrera, a deranged look on his face, whacks Gradkowski’s knee with all his might. An audible crack echoes all around the facility, followed by the agonizing scream of young Bruce Gradkowski.
Al: Good work, John. After you check the wire taps, bring JaMarcus in here.
Herrera: Mr. Davis, it’s 3 o’clock, he’s at In N Out for his regularly scheduled “Double Dose of Double-Double.”
Al: Dammit, I thought that was at 1?!
Herrera: Um, yeah, 1 o’clock as well.
Al: Call him, will you? Tell him we have his marijuana cigars and white women waiting.
Herrera: Yes, Mr. Davis.
Al: Also, call Amy. I want the results of the survey for the season ticket holders. I need a good laugh.
Herrera: Yes, Mr. Davis.
As Davis, Herrera, and Cable walk out the office, they have to step over Gradkowski, who is lying on the floor, still moaning, racked with pain.
Al: Pick yourself up, will you? My god son, have some self respect.
Cable: Sorry, kid.
Later at the press conference….
Cable: We’ve spoken at length with JaMarcus, and he is reformed, rested and ready to go Sunday. He’s really got his head in the game, folks.
Reporter: Really? ‘Cause I just got a tweet from my cousin who works at In N Out, and apparently Russell has just set a record for most Double-Doubles consumed in the span of a minute, with thirty eight.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
seriously, with your franchise QB, former #1 overall pick having 2 TD’s and 15 turnovers … can you imagine Southwick playing any worse?
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Can’t say that I can.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Jhill, I would take the neighborhood dog catcher or the mailman over BRL…
December 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Reporter: Really? ‘Cause I just got a tweet from my cousin who works at In N Out, and apparently Russell has just set a record for most Double-Doubles consumed in the span of a minute, with thirty eight.
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So BRL is a winner….
December 14th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
cut Jamarcus, better to lose $5 million next year then to pay him $9.5 to hold a clipboard. sign a veteran QB and we’ll instantly be a.500 team!!!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Let’s bring in Keannu Reeves.
If we can’t get a QB, how about someone who played one on TV?
December 14th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Al: Good work, John. After you check the wire taps, bring JaMarcus in here.
Herrera: Mr. Davis, it’s 3 o’clock, he’s at In N Out for his regularly scheduled “Double Dose of Double-Double.”
Al: Dammit, I thought that was at 1?!
Herrera: Um, yeah, 1 o’clock as well.
Al: Call him, will you? Tell him we have his marijuana cigars and white women waiting.
Herrera: Yes, Mr. Davis.
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LMFAO!
You know you’re soooo wrong for that.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
As Davis, Herrera, and Cable walk out the office, they have to step over Gradkowski, who is lying on the floor, still moaning, racked with pain.
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Al: pick up that towel and shine my shoes!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
O-Line problems: SIMPLE solution, cut Russell, there is no o-line out there that will play hard and protect their QB if the QB has no pocket awareness, can’t read defenses and can’t get pass his first read on who to throw to… Russell is a sitting target, all he sees is his TE since it’s an easy read…
December 14th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
From Jerry’s Post Game Wrap:
“The Raiders tied their season high with 14 penalites, and their penalty yardage of 118 was the highest since their 2005 season opener.”
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Jerry did mention the BS call with Randel El, but left off SEVERAL other calls that were equally if not WORSE non calls by the so called refs.
Oakland did plenty to shoot it self in the foot, but the refs were appauling.
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” there was no sign of the pitch play that gave the Raiders a key first-down last week agianst the Steelers.”
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Saw it at least twice, once to Fargas.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
RaiderNick Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
O-Line problems: SIMPLE solution, cut Russell, there is no o-line out there that will play hard and protect their QB if the QB has no pocket awareness, can’t read defenses and can’t get pass his first read on who to throw to… Russell is a sitting target, all he sees is his TE since it’s an easy read
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Translation: “I never saw the game.”
Satele and Morris combined with Carlisle and Green added up to a horrid day for the Raider O. Wasn’t Russell at all.
Satele is a liability plain and simple. Better off with Morris at ceneter but guaranteed, Satele won’t be here next year.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
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December 14th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
I’m in the minority at least on this board, but I’ve got Russell’s back still.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
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December 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
release russell + concentrate on upgrading o-line + new veteran QB to compete with Gradkowski and Frye = instant .500 record
December 14th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Where is Priest?
He’s ducking us.
Defend Duh-Marcus now.
Your response will be priceless.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
“We knew JaMarcus was a pocket guy,” Orakpo said. “He wasn’t a running threat. So I was able to let loose with all kinds of moves to get to him.”
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This comment from OSACKPO, says exactly why Bruce is way ahead of Russell.
Grads presence as QB makes the O-Line look better than it is. When Russell is in there, the O-Line is exposed.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Priesttj mailed it in
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priesttj Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Personally I’m starting to agree on one thing. Russell needs to move on to brighter pastures. This place is way too toxic to groom a young QB you’re way too impatient. You want great auccess right away and that is very improbable. The fans here are not nearly as sophisticated and knowledgable as we used to be. This generatiion of fans are insufferable. Your ignorance is beyond anything I ever imagined.
You can have it,if this is what you’ve become I’m done as a fan wiyth any of you. I’ll still support my team in my own way but as for talking and communicating fools like you guy’s I’m done.
My last comment is I sincerely hope we trade and get Russell somewhere far from here
December 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
priesttj Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Personally I’m starting to agree on one thing. Russell needs to move on to brighter pastures. This place is way too toxic to groom a young QB you’re way too impatient. You want great auccess right away and that is very improbable. The fans here are not nearly as sophisticated and knowledgable as we used to be. This generatiion of fans are insufferable. Your ignorance is beyond anything I ever imagined.
You can have it,if this is what you’ve become I’m done as a fan wiyth any of you. I’ll still support my team in my own way but as for talking and communicating fools like you guy’s I’m done.
My last comment is I sincerely hope we trade and get Russell somewhere far from here
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See, we can finally agree on something–GET RID OF DUH-MARCUS.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RaiderNick Says:
December 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
release russell + concentrate on upgrading o-line + new veteran QB to compete with Gradkowski and Frye = instant .500 record
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maybe. still gonna have to do something about Al’s 1983 defensive scheme. playing man 90% of the time is impossible, and it’s showing. there are better athletes playing in the NFL these days and al just doesn’t understand that. you have to give offenses different looks; blitz more often and play some zone. we can’t just line up 11 guys and dare teams to beat us
how’s that workin anyway???
December 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
we were Gashed this year Gashed I say
December 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
= instant .500 record
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I’m trying to get to the playoffs and beyond, not just .500!
How do we do that?
December 14th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I can’t believe Priest bailed …
That is HILARIOUS!
December 14th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
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December 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Watched the game over at the local dive yesterday, with around twenty other Raider fans.
Everyone was into the game and having a good time….
Then, JaMeatloaf started the 3rd. Qtr… What a buzzkill.. We all looked at one another, and said “game over, we’re done.”
You could feel the energy that was there in that place, just go away like someone threw a switch…
December 14th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
You know, it’s not very sophisticated to call someone a bigot, because they think our QB sucks. I’d almost say that’s a “toxic” thing to say.
Race-baiters always call others “ignorant” when they accuse them of being a bigot. I think all your statements are starting to look very transparent.
Well….goodbye…Priest.
December 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Al Big, saved it, Did anyone besides myself notice the O -line dumped on JR and was hoping that he got hurt, so they didn’t have to play behind him? 6 SACKS?
December 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Al has a GIANT opportunity to restore his relevance and legacy with the uncapped year coming next year. CUT RUSSELL!!! admit the mistake and let him be someone else’s problem. if he succeeds, good for him.
instead of listing the players that should be on the first plane out of town, i’m gonna list the players who have to stay. however, i will list my top 3 players who should get gone and never be spoken of again,
top 3 go-away-forever players
1. jamarcus russell
2. stanford routt
3. cornell green
players that must stay
asomugha, murphy, schilins, miller, mcfadden, gallery, howard, seymore, scott, mitchell, johnson, fargas, jlh, gradkowski, morrison, kelly.
that is all. notice there is ONLY one o-lineman worthy of staying. scrap the o-line and start over.
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December 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
“Miller has been the only receiver Russell seems to trust. Russell threw nine of his 16 passes Sunday to tight ends.”
Its not trust…its cuz he is too dumb to read the defense and can only look straight ahead or to the flat for the RB.
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December 15th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Get well soon BRUCE we NEED U!! Damn!! how i hate the BRONCOS!!!