No `breakthrough’ in sight for JaMarcus
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, December 16th, 2009 at 3:28 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and quotes Wednesday following the Raiders’ open locker room session and post-practice press briefing with coach Tom Cable:
– Perhaps JaMarcus Russell isn’t at the end of the road with the Raiders, but he’s getting close enough to see the street sign marked “dead end.”
Over the past month, Russell, the No. 1 overall pick of the 2006 NFL draft, has been overtaken by Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye, neither of whom was a lock to be on anyone’s roster this season.
As Cable went over his reasons for keeping the one-time future of the franchise on the bench, what he said about Frye and Gradkowski told you all you need to know about the perceived shortcomings with Russell.
“(Charlie) and Bruce are similar in a lot of ways,” Cable said. “They have great command, they study all the time, they work, they’re ultra-prepared. Charlie was here all day yesterday before we even talked about what we were going to do, which is typical of him.
“He got the plan last night and it was bang, bang, bang. He was having a conversation with his coach, understands what we’re doing, understands Denver and how we have to attack them to be successful.”
In Cable’s eyes, the Redskins attacked Russell the same way in the second half as they did Gradkowski in the first. It was a “rush to cover” scheme, meaning any defender who was assinged to an eligible receiver held in to block became a blitzer.
“You just want to be able to see us go out and continue to manage,” Cable said. “I think Bruce at the end of the first half was well on his way to another 300-yard game.”
Russell? He had 74 yards passing and the Raiders had 39 yards of total offense.
– Cable deflected any talk of what bypassing Russell for the starting job suggests about his future with the franchise with three years left on his contract.
“It’s too early for all that. Right now we want to find a way to win these last three games,” Cable said. “At this point, this is what we feel, that I feel is the best thing for us.”
– Asked if the coaching staff had done all it can with Russell, with the quarterback being responsible for more, Cable said, “I think both as a staff, as a coach, as a team, I think everybody is working to try and help him get better all the time. He’s certainly giving back to that, as best he can, and at some point you hope to have a breakthrough and move forward.”
The key words: “As best he can.”
I take that to mean there’s an entirely different level of dedication and preparation Russell has yet to achieve.
Like Frye, for instance.
“He’s always around. Charlie is so much like a coach. In Charlie Frye’s world there is no off day,” Cable said. “He’s always here. He’s here early, he’s here late. He’s in and around, seeing what’s going on, giving thought. I think it’s good to have that kind of input from players, whether it’s Charlie Frye or anyone else.”
– OK, then how come Frye wasn’t the backup to Gradkowski against Washington?
“I don’t think we were ready for that,” Cable said. “Based on the decision that was made, it was the right thing.”
– Cable said Russell has remained even-keel but is certain he is subject to the same emotions as everyone else, and that the way he shrugs off the poor performances are construed as a negative when his team is losing.
“I think that’s the whole point here. His struggles are out there. It’s on film and in the game and those sort of things,” Cable said. “He’s a young guy that still has room to grow and room to develop, and I think we need to keep sight of that.”
We pause for some Russell free news . . .
– Tight end Zach Miller did not practice and will need to pass baseline tests before returning the practice field after his second concussion since Oct. 4.
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey is “doubtful” and likely to miss his third straight game.
– Cable, like Gradkowski, is holding out hope that his quarterback can rehab sufficiently from MCL tears in both knees to face Cleveland next week.
– Free safety Michael Huff (stinger) practiced without limitations. Defensive end Greg Ellis (knee) did not practice but rates a good chance to face Denver, while wide receiver Nick Miller ran on the grass Tuesday and was too sore to practice Wednesday. If he makes the field this season, it’ll be an upset bigger than the win over the Eagles.
– Cable’s assessment of newly signed QB J.P. Losman:
“Very athletic guy. Strong arm, threw the ball good yesterday in his workout,” Cable said. “A guy that’s got some experience in the league, so he kind of fits for us to have an emergency guy in here. He’s familiar with a little bit of how we call things. So he’ll help in that area.
Raiders lineman Langston Walker, who played with Losman in Buffalo, said he’s sure the quarterback is enjoying the weather.
“He’s a fiery guy and he’s a California kid, so he likes warm weather and shorts and flip-flops,” Walker said. “I think we were both a little bit out of our element in the cold of Buffalo. But he’s definitely a good player. He’s a leader and I think he’ll step in here and do a good job and do what
he’s asked to do.”
Broncos coach Josh McDaniels told Bay Area reporters by conference call he worked out Frye for the Patriots before the draft.
“He’s a mobile quarterback, not unlike Gradkowski in terms of his ability to get away a little bit and create some plays with his legs, or keep some plays alive by moving out of the pocket,” McDaniels said. “So, we’re definitely going to be ready for both, a pocket passer and a guy that can move and do some things with his legs.”
– Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said the biggest difference in Mike Nolan’s defense is he has often shadowed the other team’s best receiver, something he hasn’t done in past years. Cable didn’t rule out having Nnamdi Asomugha do the same with Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall, who caught an NFL record 21 passes against Indianapolis.
“I certainly think those two guys will be matched up a little bit,” Cable said.
– Roy Schuening, the guard/center who was waived to make room Losman on the roster, was claimed to the 53-man roster of the Detroit Lions beofre the Raiders had a chance to sign him to their practice squad.
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December 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Bye Bye JaMarcus !!
December 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Yup, read between the lines. Coach isn’t too happy with you Russell.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
first
December 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
nope
December 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
RaiderD Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Banana,
Hopefully we did break JRuss down. Now its up to the coaching staff to build him back up. Obviously, he’s a big investment with enough talent to make him a producer in the NFL.
But it all comes down to Jruss’ moxy and if he’ll allow himself to be built back up.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
4th
December 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
JaMarcus is not going to build himself up. He does not have the drive or ambition. He has his money. That is what counts to him.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
The Raiders may have three very good QB on hand, which may turn out to be future draft picks for those who do not chosen to stay.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
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December 16th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
I dont know Exla, while i agree that up to now he hasn’t shown any kind of willingness to make himself better, its only been 3 years. Maybe this is the type of situation that will make him realize he is expendable and that he will need to wake up and be part of the team.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I feel bad for Jruss, at the same time the millionaire needs to get his butt in gear and learn to be man and an NFL qb.
Take the bullets for the team don’t deflect them. Be a coach not just a player, as an NFL starter the qb should be the first in and last player to leave.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
and its not all up to JRuss to build himself up. there are plenty of people in the organization that are willing/want to build him up.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
So maybe it Mister Al’s master plan to break this kid down and out of this “im the star” mentality and build him back up as a team player.
Mister Al is old school.
December 16th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
The Raiders are the WORST FRANCHISE IN the NFL!
With that said:
Cut JaMarcus Russell RIGHT NOW
Year-End:
Fire Tom Cable
Fire the entire coaching staff
Cut Cornell Green
Cut Cooper Carlisle
Cut Samson Satele
Cut Darius Heyward Bey
Cut Gerard Warren
Cut Tommy Kelly
Restructure or Cut:
Michael Huff
Justin Fargas
December 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
You know what? I want JaMarcus to succeed. And I think he eventually will, whether it’s with us or someone else.
If I’m wrong about that, so be it.
Right now – I could care less.
I want the Raiders to win.
And if that’s with Frye or Losman, then hell – I’ll be rooting my ass off for them.
Why some of you can’t do the same without rippin’ JaMarcus with verbal assaults – I don’t get.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Human nature. obviously there are some angry people that like to vent their anger in here.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
til tomorrow,
Good Night Raider Nation!
December 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I am still holding out hope for russell as well, but I seriously doubt he ever makes it in the NFL. Not with his work ethic and his love of strippers, robitussin and buffet lines.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
im rite there with you primus. only time will tell right? we are at the hands of Mister Al Davis!
December 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Jamarcus will not stay late as long as there are free buffets at strip clubs.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
2 wasted roster spots: N. Miller, J. Holland and we cut our return man from last year, the first year we returned a KO in, I don’t know… a decade or so, and he returned TWO last year.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
I gues we could make that 5 wasted roster spots….
DHB, Russell, and Ricky Brown hurt for the past 8 weeks, oh ya and shavon Walker too! That’s 6!!
December 16th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
davis was wise to have grad & frye in the bullpen instead of tui & walter
December 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
dont know Exla, while i agree that up to now he hasn’t shown any kind of willingness to make himself better, its only been 3 years. Maybe this is the type of situation that will make him realize he is expendable and that he will need to wake up and be part of the team.
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Im sorry raider d but after how the fans have booed him and the players have responded to him, and listening to him blame the rest of the team for his early season woes its clear to see jamarcus will never get it. Rememmber this isn’t the first time jamarcus has been benched in a game and heavily booed by the fans… and even after that he has shown no signs of change in work ethic. Jamarcus is done, he has no conficdence, no drive, and no brain. all he has is a strong arm, and iit takes more than a just a strong arm to be successful in this league. jamarcus doesn’t have what it takes beyond the arm and I believe he never will.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
So at the age of 24, all you fellas stayed at your places of work, long after your paid day was over, in the interest of being the best you could be huh?
I know this isn’t a totally parallel comparison but come on man.
You guys act like we’re all at peak maturity at the age of 24.
That’s B.S.
Just listen to the kid when he speaks.
He has trouble looking the reporter in the eye.
He’s clearly embarrassed.
When he un-intentionally runs teammates under the bus, it’s clear that he’s battling a lot of emotions inside. On the one hand, he wants to say “yeah, it’s my fault”, but on the other hand, he’s afraid that comes off as “soft” to his buddies/supporters. As a result, you get something like “well, it’s all my fault. . . .maybe”.
This kid has been humbled. But, he’s still not ready to handle the media. And he’s just not ready to be a full-time starter.
But come on – how many of you really “got it” at the age of 24?
December 16th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
ditto silvernsmac.
took the words right out of my mouth.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
and like i said maybe being benched and seeing the raiders bring in other qbs is just the thing he needs to get going. obviously benching just didnt cut it.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Before I go, one last thing. JaMarcus is a nice person. Great heart as a human being. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Russell housed around a dozen evacuees who had fled the flooding in New Orleans, including New Orleans singer Fats Domino, in his off-campus apartment.
That being said, cut him!
December 16th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
This kid has been humbled. But, he’s still not ready to handle the media. And he’s just not ready to be a full-time starter.
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He’s getting paid 30 million dollars to play a f***ing football game if that isn’t motivation enough I don’t know what is. Matt ryan has had success, joe flacco has had success, even mark sanchez and stafford look more the part than russel and they’re younger. Key is they actually have a brain. Jamarcus isn’t smart enough to play qb in this league. I mean this kid makes Vince young sound as articulate as Barrack Obama in interviews. Jamarcus has too many red flags or things he has to get better at before he reaches his #1 potential. You say give him 5 yrs, I think with his mental capacity it’s gonna take ten, and we want to win now. So I and the rest of the raidernation say dump that bum.lol
December 16th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
DHB and DMAC will become good players because of their gifts combined with work ethic and they’ll have a qb/leader that get’s them the ball. Russell has to do a 180 as far as putting in work but he’ll probably be cut in the offseason so if he ever gets it it’ll be for another team
December 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Did Coach Cable bother to mention that he has done “NOTHING” to help Jamarcus?
1.) He brings in Jeff Garcia days after Russell loses his Uncle, undermining any confidence a coach should have in their QB.
2.) He doesn’t allow Russell to play in even 1/3 of the snaps during pre-season.
& MOST IMPORTANTLY
He doesn’t help Jamarcus by realizing that when in the SHOTGUN (approx 1/3 of JR snaps this season), that Russell is 10 yards from the Line of Scrimmage when he sets up to throw.
Check the early film from this season, the first 5 games, Russell is at 5 yards when taking his Shotgun snaps after which he takes his normal 3 step drop….putting him at 10 yards when he sets up….because of the length of his stride his own Coach puts his QB and his Offensive Tackles at a disadvantage.
Only after sending this information to Mr. Davis was this corrected prior to the Phili game….a game we won.
Remember this information Raider Nation, and remember who told you!
Jamarcus Russell will win Super Bowls!
WRITE THAT DOWN!
December 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Go ahead and cut him.
Same way Jim Plunkett was cut. . . .twice.
Same way Ricky Williams was cast aside. . .oh wait – he actually panned out. Oh, and imagine that – he actually DID show that a human being can continue to mature and make his/herself better!
Wow – imagine that.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Dogg, did you correct me on the score from a game 9 years ago? WOW you really got me, Dogg!!! I should bail out of here like your boyfriend Oakglen from the humility!
LMAO
FYI mr stat guy Hoying’s #’s were identical to Gannons. You could even argue Hoying did better.
Hoying – 8/16 107 yards 0/Td 2/INT
Gannon – 11/21 80 yards 0/Td 2/INT
Dogg, next time you wanna go after me come prepared or dont bother.
# RaiderDogg Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Mistabrown
Get it right man. The loss in that game had zero to do with Gruden’s offense or play calling. They lost because fat ass Tony Siragusa did a belly flop on Rich Gannon and the Raiders offense had to play against arguably one of the best defenses in the history of the NFL with a back up qb. Gannon returned to the game for a brief time but was ultimately replaced by that amazing QB Bobby Hoying! Did you honestly expect Bobby Hoying to pick apart the 2000 Raven’s defense? It was no easy task for an MVP caliber qb like Gannon, let alone a journeyman back up.
Like I said if you are going to act like you know something try and get it right. You talk smack, I talk facts.
The score was 16-3 btw.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Silver smac, that is the dumbest argument I’ve heard in this blog in a long time. And mind you, KrappyKell posts in here everyday.
How can you possibly compare the devotion a normal 24 year old has to their crappy job (routinely some low level employee of some sort, fresh out of college) to that of a starting professional quarterback making millions with a responsibility to an entire city?
And what a pathetic, jumbled argument you make for Jamarcus for the way he speaks. He talks like a retard because he’s “embarrassed”? No, fool, he talks like a retard because he’s an ignorant bumpkin from the sticks who doesn’t know any better than to throw his free money away and stumble into the weight room whenever the mood strikes.
And not coming across as soft to his boys is an actual excuse you’re willing to buy? So you’re willing to cut the loser a break so he can keep his cred with his crew? I’m sure if the 31 million was coming out of your pocket to finance their bling purchases and Hardee’s runs you might think differently.
Or not. Because you’re obviously as slow getting out of the pocket as old Jabustus.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Chris Henry on life support.—-pft.com
December 16th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Russell not only sucks at quarterback, but his bad throw got Miller injured.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Look for Russell to leave the NFL, loose about 40 lbs, go to the UFL for a year or two, and then get a shot with another NFL Franchise. He will come in for a mil or so and be a backup.
Or he will take his money and open up a BBQ joint, gain another 50 or 60 lbs and live happily ever after.
HIRE FASSEL
December 16th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Senior:
A 24 year old human being is a 24 year old human being dumb-ass.
I don’t care what profession.
If you’re not ready, you’re not ready.
Period. It doesn’t matter how much money is thrown in your face.
Fool.
What difference does it make where he’s from, you ignorant pile of crap?
Plenty of NFL players and people in general, come from the “sticks” and succeed in life.
Moron.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Did Coach Cable bother to mention that he has done “NOTHING” to help Jamarcus?
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Ummm elkin… if every other qb on our roster has success with the same system in which jamarcus plays in but jamarcus doesn’t… It sounds more to me like the player is the problem not the coach. You’re asking for the coach to throw away his game plan and come up with one that jamarcus can handle. Thats why jamarcus has to go, because he’s a crutch and we can only do so little with him. Why play a qb that you can’t open the playbook with??? That says jamarcus doesn’t allow tom to coach to his fullest, because jamarcus is holding him back. Stop sticking up and making excuses for this bum. Its clear to see jamarcus is his own worse enemy. Tom can’t make him learn, work hard, and take it more seriously, thats up to jamarcus. You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drank.smh
December 16th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Glad to see that some of you are regarding JaMarcus Russell as a human being and not simply a stiff as a QB.
I hope for the kid that those people riding his gravy train haven’t talked him into blowing all of his cash already ’cause that 30 million ain’t gonna become 60.
If he only understood that most people were willing to give him a pass this year if he only did his best to work at his profession and acted as if he gave a flying f#@K.
Sometimes there is a mechanism in a person that could be termed fear of success. It is a convoluted way for the ego to remain untouched. The outcome of the fear of success is necessarily failure, but the failure is not so bothersome to the ego as the recognition that one was wrong all along about one’s abilities and that one had to work hard to be better in order to be successful thereby denegrating the ego’s presupposition of inherent greatness without having to do anything.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Did Coach Cable bother to mention that he has done “NOTHING” to help Jamarcus?
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So its Cable’s fault that he showed up for camp overweight and out of shape?
Cable’s fault he can’t throw a pass on target?
As for your Shotgun argument…
Here is a youtube clip of Russell at LSU.
He is lined up 5 yards deep in the Shotgun and drops back to 8 yards to set up.
Didn’t stop him from setting up and passing at LSU.
Only a 38 second clip. Check it out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8rQcCrY9DM
December 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“I always wanted everyone to like me. I wanted the city of Pittsburgh to be proud of me. But my first few seasons, I could not count the number of people on my bandwagon on one finger.”
-TERRY BRADSHAW-
December 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Lonetree says
“Sometimes there is a mechanism in a person that could be termed fear of success. It is a convoluted way for the ego to remain untouched. The outcome of the fear of success is necessarily failure, but the failure is not so bothersome to the ego as the recognition that one was wrong all along about one’s abilities and that one had to work hard to be better in order to be successful thereby denegrating the ego’s presupposition of inherent greatness without having to do anything.”
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I like it. . . .
But man. . . .that’s way too deep for this place!
LOL
December 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Smac, wow, that was a really bad recovery. I guess when one weak argument doesn’t work it’s easy and convenient (and simple) to move to another weaker one.
I’m not sure where they grow morons like you, but I’m guessing its near any 7-11 or UFC clothing outlet.
If you ever reach a level higher than piss boy / grease monkey at your current job, maybe you’ll understand the notion of responsibility.
Until then, best of luck lubing up that transmission.
Idiot.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
I don’t care what profession.
If you’re not ready, you’re not ready.
Period. It doesn’t matter how much money is thrown in your face.
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silver n smac… I know this comment wasn’t for me but I want to say the profession and all that does matter. Yes he’s 24 but think… he’s living his dream. Its most kids dream to become a football player and make millions of dollars he’d doing what he loves, and normal human being don’t mind working hard and sharpening their tools when they’re doing the things the love. When you’re doing something you love, or working a job that has been you’re passion since a child you don’t mind waking up early and going to work. So don’t say profession doesn’t matter because its not everyday you get to do what you love to make a living. Jamarcus does and treats it as if it’s a chore, not taking in consideration its on him for 52 other guys to succeed as well.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
# Coach Elkins Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“I always wanted everyone to like me. I wanted the city of Pittsburgh to be proud of me. But my first few seasons, I could not count the number of people on my bandwagon on one finger.”
-TERRY BRADSHAW-
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Good job coach.
I bet you could apply that same quote to Bruce Gradkowski, almost word for word. Just take out the word Pittsburg.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
really, the russell thing is just your classic case of a draft bust. would a more stable coaching staff helped or perhaps less drama with the whole kiffin thing? maybe, but who knows. oh well, it was just one of those things. i don’t know if the doughboy russell disaster pick can be completely blamed on davis. either. it’s not like big al was thinking out of the box when he picked him. doughboy was thought of as a legitimate top of the draft pick that year. at the end of the day, you’re dealing with 21 year old kids and ungodly amounts of cash. just one of those things i suppose. too bad…
December 16th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Has BRL learned the playbook?
December 16th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Frye cookin’ up some donkey burgers.
Losman Locomotive thundering through the yard.
Gradkowski battered and bandaged a la Ernie Nevers.
JRuss looking on in disdain and dismay.
There you have it ladies and gentlemen, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“I always wanted everyone to like me. I wanted the city of Pittsburgh to be proud of me. But my first few seasons, I could not count the number of people on my bandwagon on one finger.”
-TERRY BRADSHAW-
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All ima say is listen to jamarcus speak, and listen to bradshaw speak… Bradshaw is no einstein, but compared to jamarcus he almost sounds like it. Jamarcus is too dumb to play qb in this league.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
DHB, what has he done to date outside of being a decoy pigeion?
December 16th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
The last horse is an embarrasment to all that is Raider….
December 16th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
D-Mac,
Hey man – you’re totally, completely, absolutely right in everything you said.
I think this kid DOES love football.
What he has truly yet to realize is just how hard it is to be an NFL player.
You just can’t maintain the same routine that you did in college.
He hasn’t gotten that yet.
Will he?
I don’t know but I hope so.
That’s all I can do as a fan, is hope he gets it. In the meantime, we’ll move on without him in the starting line-up and that’s fine.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Elkins,
Russells team mates dont believe in him. The fans dont believe in him. The Coach doesn’t believe in him. The owner/gm obviously has thrown in the towell on him.
My question is where do you fit in there?
December 16th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Flacco
Ryan
Sanchez
They all get it, put in time and effort. How is BRL any diffrent?
December 16th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Coach hackett has worked with rich gannon, garcia, chad pennington, and even joe montana… If the guy who taught joe montana how to play in this league then your’re pretty much hopeless.lol
December 16th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
So at the age of 24, all you fellas stayed at your places of work, long after your paid day was over, in the interest of being the best you could be huh?
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The big difference is that we didn’t peak as earners at 22 years old.
Jamarcus knows that this is his payday, he is cool with the 32 million and really would like the burden on being an NFL QB to be removed.
He doesn’t need to say it, his actions say it for him.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Agent…
December 16th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Terry Bradshaw had a much lower wonderlic score than jamarcus.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Agent, family, or friends still think BRL is an nfl QB…
December 16th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Coach hackett has worked with rich gannon, garcia, chad pennington, and even joe montana… If the guy who taught joe montana how to play in this league can’t help you then your’re pretty much hopeless.lol
December 16th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
And priesttj.
# Thec07 Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Agent, family, or friends still think BRL is an nfl QB…
December 16th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
good night nation
December 16th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
When it comes to the intelligence or lack there of for Jamarcus is irrelevant. Plenty of dumb guys in the NFL who succeed.
But as M Lonetree stated, it as an issue of character. Very few guys, if any at all, succeed in the NFL with a selfish, slothful character that Jamarcus displayed.
And he is rich so he doesn’t need to change anything if Jamarcus is happy, and he certainly is. He has more money than anyone who is trying to lecture him, and so it is in one ear and out the other.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Terry Bradshaw had a much lower wonderlic score than jamarcus.
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Ok that just means jamarcus had one of his ladies take his test for him then.lol jp But from hearing jamarcus talk I find that hard to believe. I couln’t imagine anyone jumping at the chance to add jamarcus to their commentary team.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Thank God, Frye is starting on Sunday.
We don’t want anymore receivers getting injured by bad throws.
December 16th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I don’t think Al has given up on him just yet. We don’t know yet what coach will be here next year. if cable loses over the next 3 games he will be gone. The new guy only has to sell Al on how he will develope Jamarcuss. We kept Derick Gibson, and other flops for 4 or 5 years. Jamarcus may be asked to take a pay cut. Also having a couple of seasoned vets that are hungry to play in camp will be good,we will see if russel will respond with drive and fire. he tried to fire up his team in the last game, no one responds to him because he has not learned that you must sacrifice to be a leader. Talent without hard work does not cut in the nfl.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
When it comes to the intelligence or lack there of for Jamarcus is irrelevant. Plenty of dumb guys in the NFL who succeed.
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Yes but how many are quarterbacks??? Its easy to be a dumb rb, fb, o-lineman, d lineman and so on but qb??? I don’t think so because so much goes into the position.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Its not a money thing, Russell has not learned yet what it means to be a pro. He has been spoiled by his talent, wich was good enough to make him a standout star in college, now he needs to learn work ethic, and how to study.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I have tried to support JaMarcus as I do anyone on the roster, but at some point Al has to cut his losses. Russel lost me after that POS performance last Sunday, when he added that “MAYBE” after saying that the crappy play and all the 2nd half sacks were his fault.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
hope start with fry!(and ketchup)
December 16th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Put JaAwful on injured reserve, and finish out with Losman.
Cut Russell next year (instead of giving him 10mil), admit your wrong, and draft another QB.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Dan Marino is no rocket scientist, bradshaw was called bumpkin, just to name a couple.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I don’t think Brett Favre or Steve McNair are/were going to help there kids with their alegbra homework.
Hard-work and accountability, with leadership and accuracy are the top 4 traits an NFL QB needs. Being heady helps a lot, no doubt, but football is football, even if your a “dumb” guy, it shouldn’t be too hard or boring studying it.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
I don’t want them to draft another QB, at least not on day 1 of the draft. LINEMAN, both O and D, and a run-stuffing MLB is where they need to focus in next year’s draft, IMO.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
what if the titans gave up on vince young? Its too early to give up. Also what about this circus the raiders have been all year. Even Richard Seymore is not living u to his billing. Lets build some good structure ( coaches ) around him then we can see who he really is. I agree the early returns are not good. he still thinks you can go clubbin on friday and saturday and play well on sunday. Young dumb and full of cough syrup.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
at last! clear indication that the Raiders may have given up on Russell. it was very painful and depressing to see him come in the game last week. hopefully it never happens again.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Sad about Chris Henry, then you hear about it being preluded by another domestic situation.
That dude never got it either. Why is he still fighting with women, after the suspensions and court issues and all that has happened?
Watched him on HardKnocks and he seemed like a roach.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
D tackle and and O line the2 biggest areas of need.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
jabustus needs to be cut now not later,sign grads make him your starter next year and take the best lineman available on both sides of the ball with the first 3 picks in the draft
December 16th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
wonderlic scores for qb’s
42 – Drew Henson
40 – Alex Smith
39 – Aaron Rogers
39 – Eli Manning
39 – Brian Griese
38 – Charlie Frye
37 – Tony Romo
36 – Drew Bledsoe* (*won a Super Bowl, but as a backup)
35 – Matt Leinart
35 – Kellen Clemens
33 – Tom Brady
33 – Steve Young
32 – Joey Harrington
32 – Patrick Ramsey
32 – Sage Rosenfels
31 – J.P. Losman
31 – Matt Schaub
30 – Phillip Rivers
29 – Brady Quinn
29 – Rex Grossman
29 – Marc Bulger
29 – Matt Hasselbeck
29 – Troy Aikman
29 – John Elway
28 – Drew Brees
28 – Peyton Manning
27 – Kyle Boller
27 – Ryan Leaf
26 – Jay Cutler
26 – Kyle Orton
26 – Carson Palmer
26 – Akili Smith
25 – Ben Roethlisberger
25 – Byron Leftwich
25 – Chad Pennington
24 – JaMarcus Russell
24 – David Carr
23 – Jason Campbell
22 – Tim Couch
22 – Trent Dilfer
22 – Brett Favre
20 – Michael Vick
19 – Tarvaris Jackson
19 – Bruce Gradkowski
19 – Derek Anderson
19 – A.J. Feeley
18 – Daunte Culpepper
17 – Aaron Brooks
17 – Vinny Testeverde
16 – Vince Young (6 on first try)
15 – Steve McNair
15 – Randall Cunningham
15 – Dan Marino
15 – Terry Bradshaw
14 – David Garrard
14 – Donovan McNabb
11 – Marcus Vick
10 – Jeff George
8 – Chris Leak
December 16th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
MadStork43 – I agree, no QB on the first day.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
if grads was the answer why was he unemployed? We know what he is, a bench warmer that can come in and win a few games, but his limitations will never allow him to be great. See Jeff Garcia. Good but not good enough to get the job done.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Mistic1,
Why would he think he can go clubbing and still play on Sunday? It clearly hasn’t worked.
I just feel that no matter his performance on Sunday, it is not going to effect his Friday and Sat nights. Priorities are backwards and failing miserably on the field and being called out isn’t changing things, so what will.
The only hope for him to rededicate himself is if the cash stops coming in. But than he is just getting dedicated to get paid, and you don’t want to touch that either.
Time to move on and let Jamarcus go sip on the sizrup back home.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
time to win with the big bellies not meathead russel
December 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Vegas Raider,
Im with you, hes got it ass backwards, so did i when i was 24 and that was without the millions, and the yes men, and the booty calls. Lets hope this wakes his big ass up, and can mature.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
When JaMeatloaf finally sees the light at the end of the tunnel, it will be the train!
December 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
garcia made a few pro bowls ill take that in a heartbeat over this
December 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
No matter who the qb is, without a solid coaching staff, our ship is sunk.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Mistic1,
We all had our priorities backwards at 24.
But we didn’t get paid 30 Million dollars to pull our head out of azz. A lot of pressure and responsibility for a young guy, but cry me a river, there is a bunch of guys who would gladly trade him places.
When you enter the NFL and football becomes a business, your passion for the game has to carry you through all the stupid camps and meetings, media sessions and dog days of the season.
Frye is their all day, every day. You can times his salary by 10, or cut it in half, and his work ethic won’t change. Can’t say the same about Russell.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Mistabrown Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Dogg, did you correct me on the score from a game 9 years ago? WOW you really got me, Dogg!!! I should bail out of here like your boyfriend Oakglen from the humility!
LMAO
FYI mr stat guy Hoying’s #’s were identical to Gannons. You could even argue Hoying did better.
Hoying – 8/16 107 yards 0/Td 2/INT
Gannon – 11/21 80 yards 0/Td 2/INT
Dogg, next time you wanna go after me come prepared or dont bother.
# RaiderDogg Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Mistabrown
Get it right man. The loss in that game had zero to do with Gruden’s offense or play calling. They lost because fat ass Tony Siragusa did a belly flop on Rich Gannon and the Raiders offense had to play against arguably one of the best defenses in the history of the NFL with a back up qb. Gannon returned to the game for a brief time but was ultimately replaced by that amazing QB Bobby Hoying! Did you honestly expect Bobby Hoying to pick apart the 2000 Raven’s defense? It was no easy task for an MVP caliber qb like Gannon, let alone a journeyman back up.
Like I said if you are going to act like you know something try and get it right. You talk smack, I talk facts.
The score was 16-3 btw.
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Mistabrown
Your feable attempt at a rebuttal is duely noted. It took you almost 2 hours to come up with that mess? lmao
My memory of that game is forever engrained, considering I was there and had the unfortunate opportunity to see it live and in person. Sorry that I needed to jog your memory and that you got all butt hurt about it.
Now grow up and maybe seek help for your Oakglenn obsession, it would pretty sad if it wasn’t so funny. Dude hasn’t been around for months yet he’s still fresh in your mind. It seems as if you really miss him. lmao!
Speak to me all you wish, I have no time for people such as yourself. I put you in your place and now I am done with you.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Hostetler, Garcia, Gannon, marginal talent, monster work ethic, huge heart. George, marinovich, huge talent no heart, 0 work ethic. Does Jamrcus have the guts, and gumption to look himself in the miror admit he is wrong and bounce back from the dead, in plunket like glory? This off season will tell us everything we need to know. If he comes in out of shape, its a wrap.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
give grads a whole offseason as the starter
December 16th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Vegas Raider,
Lets hope the cough syrup cocktails have not doused his competitive fire, and he can sober up long enough to realize he is about to be fired. Its like showing up to work with a hang over, you only have to do it a couple of times before you realize that it is not going to work for you.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
2-1 off the bench is pretty good
December 16th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
If Jamarcus gets the benefit of one more offseason to right the ship, there should be no kid gloves.
Set a weight, and not some minimum playing weight range. Tell him if you want anychance at making this roster you better be under 260. If he is 259, cut him, because he just doing the minimum again. Shows up at 254 and you let him see if he improved.
But I think there is some behind the scenes stuff going on. And if so, get rid of the toxicicity ASAP.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Yeah Dogg you really put me in my place I may never recover from this. It took me 5 minutes to come up with that I dont sit here for hours at a time, ding a ling.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
8 picks in the draft and i think three 3rds
December 16th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Exactly, this dude needs a nutritionist, a personal trainer, and a playbook tutor. He also needs to cut loose his yes men, (see micheal vick), if he has any real ambition of being a serviceable player, let alone justify his draft status. He needs someone to kick him in his ass.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
lets see what cable can do with improved roster and decent qb play
December 16th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
gruden is way overrated
December 16th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Howie who is going to improve the roster?
Have you payed any attention to our drafts or FA moves over the last 10 years ?
December 16th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
8 picks inthe draft 3 3rds davis is better late in the draft than early
December 16th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Cable stinks out loud!!!!!! His teams dont just lose they get blasted. You mean to tell me with all the speed on this team you havent figured out how to get these guys in space to make plays? No buble screens to th wr’s, no screen game to macfadden?!?! You are an o line guy but your o line is shakey at best. Disconnect cable. Bring in a coach that can score,cable makes john shoop and tom walsh look like geniuses. Trestman, Rathman, Wiess. These are the only guys that may work under the current circumstances.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
if he hadnt taken jabustus detroit would have
December 16th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Disconnect Cable……lol
December 16th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
so just blow it up again good thinking mr davis i mean mystifing 1
December 16th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Jamarcuss was the right pick, he has severely under performed. He was the qb with the most talent on that board. We had a need. Where Davis made his miscalculated, was letting go of culpepper, and later garcia. These guys could have kicked jamarcuss in the butt and helped him become a pro, by example. These were accomplished guys that no. 2 would have had to respect, and maybe he could have duplicated their system for preparation.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
well done Vegas.
I disagree but that will definitely be the headline when they decided to cut Cable loose. Even though I disagree.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
garcia didnt want to be here hed rather watch oprah
December 16th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
If they keep Bruce next year, I can see keeping Cable and dumping Russell. If your going to hire Tom Cable in the first place, you have to give him a year sans Jamarcus Russell.
If the are rolling with Losman or anyone else (No Russell), you bring in Fassell.
If you bring back Jamarcus, it don’t matter. You can bring back Vince Lombardi back from the dead, and Jamarcus would still blow him off and show 20 up minutes late to a meeting.
Remember when Russell blew off NFLTV last year during the Thursday Charger game? You blow off the freaking NFL network, 24/7 football station. Tells them a time and doesn’t show, they call him back, he gives them another time and no-shows again.
Real class act.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Just because the guy fits the profile doesnt mean he is going to work. At some point it is up to that guy to deliver on his potential, or become akili smith. Too much partying and not enough professionalism.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
well said vegas dumping him also tells your team its about performance not draft status
December 16th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
The last thing I remember Al Davis saying with some emotion is that Jamarcus Russell will be a great QB while he was FIRING a coach who disagreed with him.
I just will not believe Al Davis has had enough of Russell until I actually see him cut.
Just we all know DHB should not have been the pick, but was anyway, Russell will be on the roster next year with a new HC who promises Al that he can develop him.
We’re talking about Al Davis here people. Please don’t set yourselves up for more heartache!
December 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Is there ANYONE in here who actually believes this isn’t about Tom Cable?
Do you really think this isn’t Cable auditioning for next year? If he loses this weekend, isn’t he gone?
Do you think AL is getting rid of the coach and the QB?
December 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Does anyone actually think JR can turn himself around in 6 months?
The kid may need rehab, if he’s hooked on codine or whatever is in this cough syrup, he’s probably addicted and in need of professional help, and that’s not even touching on his diet, conditioning and then QB play.
this kid is a walking episode of ‘Playmakers’ at this point…
December 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
AL is done with JaMeatball or he wouldn’t let Cable bench him.
Sorry Jhill, your boy is bench bound and then cut at seasons end. I hope you get over it by Christmas.
December 16th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Garcia, couldnt stomach the idea of being forced to sit behind a guy that didnt take the job as seriously has he did. I cant blame him. Although if he had just been quiet about it he would have eventually gotten his shot, and would have been very difficult to unseat.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
mistic I agree with that until the point where you sit down with him before the draft and discover he cant formulate a sentence. At that point I think you go in a different direction.
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mistic1 Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Jamarcuss was the right pick, he has severely under performed.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Just because Davis let cable bench Russel doesnt mean that Russel is out. Davis will always choose players over coaches, and will always allow a coach to hang himself with his own rope. Go ahead bench Russel and when you still lose, you have given Davis a reason to fire you. Cable is finished.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
“Setting yourselves up for more heartache”
Sounds like a Rod Stewart song or something.
The way things are going, I can’t see Al saying Jamarcus is good enough for 2010 but not good enough to beat the Broncos or backup against the Browns.
I think there is a greater chance of Al trying to setup the overhead projector and can Jamarcus for “cause” than bringing him back.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
if he goes 2-1 or better he survives
December 16th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
AL will always choose players over coaches but he let the coach bench Russell.
So why didnt AL over ride Cable since like you say he chooses the player over the coach?
December 16th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
When Russell publicly stated he wouldn’t renegotiate, Dr Vendetta appeared.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
dont know why they benched me where am i?
December 16th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Playmakers, I loved that show!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Jamarcuss, is the typical kid from the hood, came from nothing and now he is rich. No one cared if he could speak the language or do long division, because he can throw the ball a mile. The same thing goes for so called trailor trash. The same goes for the kids from the suburbs that are well off. If you can play dont worry about the books. Ben Rothlisberger is no Shakespeare either, but he has super bowl rings. Joe Namath sounds like a drunk even when he is sober, who cares. Education does not have anything to do with weather or not a guy can play qb. Ask Phil Simms, better yet listen to Phil Simms.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Vegas,
I feel like we’re living that show w/ JR on the team. It’s got to be eatting at the ‘lunch pail’ guys, who are trying to scratch out a little something for themselves and their families…
December 16th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Cable…– OK, then how come Frye wasn’t the backup to Gradkowski against Washington?
“I don’t think we were ready for that,” Cable said. “Based on the decision that was made, it was the right thing.”
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Translation…Al Davis wasnt convinced JR was this bad. After the debacle with the Redskins, Al Davis became enlightened!!!!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
improved defesive line and linebackers with an average qb this is a 9-7 -10-6 team
December 16th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Davis is giving cable enough rope to hang himself. Davis wants points on the board and he wants his guys on the field. Now Davis can say, I did not force you to play Russel, and you lost doing it your way. You didnt score enough points your way, you are out. Remember he let kiffin do it his way until he could build a case to fire him “with cause”. Same with Bugel, mike white, norv turner, art shell and even gruden.He will let you do your thing but you better win, and score lots of points doing it.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
VanHeathen,
The thing of it is, the QB is a very demanding position. Cornell Green is a FA this year, that might be part of the reason he is yelling at Jamarcus on the field, although Green does have plenty to worry about himself. The QB can make guys a lot of money, through wins or increasing their production. There is no choice, you have to be THE LEADER.
Jamarcus sent these guys right down the river. Remember Ellis taking Russell and other’s to the side after the Saints preseason game? The vet saw it coming from a mile away.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
how bad is it? i would take leaf straight up for him
December 16th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Mistic1,
Speaking of guys sounding like they are drunk all the time, did anyone else see that espn movie the U, and listen to Bernie Kosar talk?
Dude sounded wasted the whole time. He might be perma-drunk.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
ill take perma drunk weekend at bernies for him
December 16th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
improved defesive line and linebackers with an average qb this is a 9-7 -10-6 team. you cant be serious?
If my auntie had a twig and berries she would be my uncle! 9-7 lol. You run a fake field goal, hoping to pick up more than 10 yards with seabass. Are you kidding me? Bush behind Fargas…why? You havent benched warren or kelly….Why? Why do you lose games by more thane 13 points almost every time out. How did you let your entire team regress after such a strong promising finish to 08. Cable is done.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
perma-drunk, the choice adult beverage perferedd by all.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
but he has a beatiful singing voice…
December 16th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
JaBlingy will build himself up one doughnut at a time.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Vegas, spot on man.
As for Kosar, he is ‘perma-drunk’,
heard him on the radio awhileback. Definitley suffering from his time in the NFL…
December 16th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
defense or lack thereof has been this teams problem especially the running defense fix that and u can compete again
December 16th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
We need a GM
December 16th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
We need guys like ellis on the offense. Leaders. Vocal leaders, not guys that are only pretending to have the goods or who havnt put in the work to qualify. I think you must have a qb that demands respect, by the quality of his play and the level of his commitment. We have some very nice peices, we dont have the glue guys in place. We dont have a coach that has the respect of the players, he too busy punching out coaches, and dodging charges of domestic abuse.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
We need a Kick A@@ coach
December 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
How can cable tell anybody to get in shape?
December 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
make the deal for rogers in cleveland davis sucks at first rounders anyway
December 16th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
We need a retiring owner…
December 16th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Cable ‘lost’ this team when he had to annoint JR as the starting QB. Everyone in that lockerroom knows that JR isn’t working hard, and what he’s up to outside the facility.
How can they respect the coach when he has to make a move that makes him look like and imbicile?
December 16th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
seymour,rogers,ellis take 40 yards off our running allowed
December 16th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
The way things are going, I can’t see Al saying Jamarcus is good enough for 2010 but not good enough to beat the Broncos or backup against the Browns.
I think there is a greater chance of Al trying to setup the overhead projector and can Jamarcus for “cause” than bringing him back.
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Vegas,
Cmon man! You know your owner better than that!
I’ll ask you again, will Al fire the QB AND the coach?
If Cable doesn’t win this weekend will he be back?
Al Davis is NOT going get rid of the QB AND the Head Coach. You know Mistic is right DESPITE what the masses want.
Al is hedging his bets man. Cable gets to stay if he wins with Frye or Losman, in which case Russell will be gone. But if he loses and the coach is fired, Russell will be back. AND YOU KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE. Not what you WANT to happen, but what WILL happen!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
jabustus is the lint in every raider fans bellybutton doesnt taste good
December 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Run defense is a huge problem, you cant get guys to stay in their assigned gaps???? These guys play the easiest scheme in the world. Take up blockers, stay in your gap, get to the qb, if you see the rb tackle him. The d tackles suck, they need a kick in the behind just like jafartcus. Look at singletary, he has the respect of the players, they dont always win, he makes mistakes at times, but his guys will do what he demands no questions asked, even vernon davis. he was just like jamrcus, just in better shape.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
i always respect a coach who shows me his ding dong
December 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
JHill,
It could be a classic case of hedging. If I had to put a bet on it, I would say there is a greater chance of Cable staying than Russell. Seriously.
You will find guys in the locker room who will go to bat for Coach Cable. You won’t get nothing but a collective roll of the eyes for Jamarcus in this locker room.
Is there a chance both get cut, I do think so. Especially if Bruce and Russell walk, and Losman stays.
Russell has the easiest path to staying, say the right things, work the hardest of his life and make significant change and he stays. It is that simple. Sadly, he won’t do it, doesn’t want to do it or else it would have already been done.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
OK, then how come Frye wasn’t the backup to Gradkowski against Washington?
“I don’t think we were ready for that,” Cable said. “Based on the decision that was made, it was the right thing.”
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Thanks for asking him my question, lol!
And just look at Cable’s answer, lol! Talk about Russell, WTF did Cable just say? And who the fugg do you think WE is, lol!
Cable lost this team the SECOND time he trotted Russell on the field. And I’d say even moreso now, lol! Frye can start this week for all the reasons you mention but not be the backup the past 3 weeks?
Yeah, Cable’s calling all the shots, lol!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Scenario wise who would you want to QB this team next year?
Out of all these cats TROY SMITH is the kid I’d want.
Real deal right there folks.
Big pile of crap other wise…
Who knows with Big Al in charge>
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I agree 1000%
December 16th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Russell has the easiest path to staying, say the right things, work the hardest of his life and make significant change and he stays. It is that simple. Sadly, he won’t do it, doesn’t want to do it or else it would have already been done.
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Don’t forget he’ll need to take a severe pay cut also. I think jamarcus lost al’s confidence when he stated he wouldn’t consider taking a pay cut.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
they have proven they cant tackle
December 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
JHill,
I got a bigger beef with his answer, “based on the decision that was made, it was the right thing.”
WTF does that mean?? Russell was a unmitigated disaster when he went on the field. The fans booed and got angry, the game soon got sloppy and he got progressively worse.
How the hell was it the “right thing”?
December 16th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Out of all these cats TROY SMITH is the kid I’d want\—————————
I WAS ACTUALLY PRAYING we’d pick calvin johnson and team him with troy smith but it didn’t happen. ):
December 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
and hand off to your boy rundmc who gets tackled by a puff of smoke
December 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Ill admit dropping your pants is a bit over the top….. (butt) it worked. Look at the way his defense is playing now. Hell look at alex smith. Gore hasnt really complained even though he wasnt getting the ball. When was the last time you saw a coach made a player hit the showers…on national tv, and them blast him to the media. Rathman would fit, for us, hes tough, well schooled and he has the jewlery. he was also one of the best at his position in his era. Now you add his experience with singletary, taking a group of losers kick em in the rear and change the culture. Rathman hc, trestman oc.
who could argue
December 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I love Jerry and all but the Bay Area media is just a happy-go-lucky bunch.
Russell and Cable get away with a lot. Can you imagine if this was the NY Jets? Cable say playing Russell in the 2nd half was the “Right thing”. East Coast press would quickly rebuttal “why was it the right thing coach”. I’m sure after this one tough Q, it was on to whether Nick Miller will suit up again?
Sorry Jerry, different dynamic I know, but can you sink your hooks into someone once in awhile??
December 16th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
You’re gonna get this whether Cable goes of Russell goes. Isn’t that obvious?
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
How the hell was it the “right thing”?
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maybe because jamarcus got more reps in practice than charlie. Jmarcus was supposedly more prepared than charlie in that situation but now we knw a 40% knowledgeable charlie frye is more knowlegable than a 70% knowledgeable jamarcus russel.smh
December 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
this isnt the fortywhiners
December 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Ok Vegas …
But please don’t put your money on Russell not being here. You know what they say about betting with your heart, lol!
Cable is gone, man. Gallery is out again, and we’ve seen this Oline without him. We are NOT going to beat Dungver or Baltimore with the Oline we have and a 3rd string QB.
Mistic is dead on!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
2010 JR comes in 20 lbs lighter, ferociously dedicates himself to studying film and learning the playbook.
Guess what ?
He’ll still be a complete BUST and an anchor sinking the Raider ship.
The plain truth is JR doesn’t have the mental capacity to be an NFL QB. He’s a certified MORON. He’s too STUPID to succeed in the NFL.
And please don’t tell me about JR’s Wonderlic score or whatever it is that supposedly measures intelligence. JR is a blathering IDIOT, incapable of putting together a cohesive thought or sentence. I can just imagine what it’s like being in the huddle with the BUFFOON trying to understand what the heck he just said or deciphering what play he just called.
To top it off he couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat. He’s got zero accuracy and even less touch.
I’m amazed that anyone is still holding out hope that he will ever succeed in the NFL.
He’s a complete and total BUST.
And the sooner the Raids cut all ties with him, the better.
There is absolutely no reason to fear he’ll go elsewhere and come back to haunt the Raids.
He’s a completely worthless POS.
End of story.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
vegas raider Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
JHill,
I got a bigger beef with his answer, “based on the decision that was made, it was the right thing.”
WTF does that mean?? Russell was a unmitigated disaster when he went on the field. The fans booed and got angry, the game soon got sloppy and he got progressively worse.
How the hell was it the “right thing”?
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Exactly!
WTF did he say man, lol!
He’s SLIGHTLY better than Russell in the communication dept. SLIGHTY!
December 16th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
we’ll see fry is playing for his future and he cant be worse
December 16th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Vegas,
When you’re done playing with yourself, you’re gonna get this whether Russell goes or Cable goes, isn’t that obvious?
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Notice the years when neither Russell or Cable were here
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
lets start the rumor suhs a pothead so we can get him
December 16th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Cable should know as a professional and someone who’s been in this league for awhile, a turd is a turd no matter what color you paint it.
JaBustius is classified in my book as our GST – Giant Stationary Turd. He is just a disaster looking for a place to happen. He’s not taking any salary cuts. He’ll just take his millions and go home to buy some hamburger stands.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
LOL Vegas …
That is hilarious!
How hard was to just simply ask Cable why that was the right move? A simple “Can you elaborate” would sufficed.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
rundmc gets a bad rap. His biggest problem is staying healthy. He needs the ball 15-25 times, he gets better as the game goes on. Hell even little nap kaufman was better on carries 10-15, then he was on carries 1-10. Its the same with most expolosive guys. Also macfaden has good power, if he could ever stay healthy you would see a guy that looks somewhat ordinary until you get to the second half, when the d gets tired of getting blasted by him, and starts to try and guess where he is going. He is not being used properly more reason cable must go. hammer away with bush as well, another guy that needs at least 15 carries to be effective. Cable needs an upgrade, he doesnt have a clear picture.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Fine, whatever KoolKell, just don’t post the same stupid stat another 20 times again tonight.
So how can we get to be like 2002? That wasn’t that long ago, it just seems like it because we stunk so bad.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Did you notice Al Davis was the General Manager for all these years?
Notice the years when neither Russell or Cable were here
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
no his biggest problem is falling down when noone is around
December 16th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
The last time Al Davis had a winning record JaMarcus Russell was 9 years old.
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
he still is nine
December 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I agree a d tackle is the way to go, there are leaders there that can help mold them, this is why you have seen such solid play from the youngsters we have there. This could become a strenght for our team once you send gerrard dead weight warren, and tommy twinkie cream kelly.
December 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I believe Tom Cable was the coach for only that last 2 years, right?
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Name another General Manager whose put numbers up like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
chiefs have taken d line last 2 years and still suck
December 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Name another General Manager who drafted 3 Non-Productive Top #7 Draft Picks in a row?
Damned near impossible!
December 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
This is not a soap opera. The salaries are gargantuan nowadays. If it was your team, would you pay a guy 10M to sit on the bench? It is what it is. He’s young, and could maybe turn it around, but would you bet ten million on it? If so, please call me. I have some investment options for you.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
chief draft choices are almost as bad as the raiders…
Some of you wanted dorsey, Sedrick Ellis way better…
December 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
We should go after Troy Smith for the QB opening made by JR’s exit stage left at the end of this season.
Let Smith, Gradkowski, Frye & Losman fight it out to see who becomes the starter. They are all the same style player & should be interchangeable. None of them suffer from the shortcomings that JR has exhibited.
Add to the above strategy a draft rich in O-Lineman & a MLB. A few FA D-linemen and we will be competitive.
Oh yes, move Dmac to permanent slot WR position and cut all non-producing scholarship deadwood including the mystery man, Yvonne Walker.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
As 2009 comes to an end, and the 2000’s come to a close, I got the AFC West being one 5 times by the Chargers, Raider 3, Broncos 1, Chiefs 1 for the decade.
Playoff wins for the decade of 2000. Raiders 5, Chargers 4, Chiefs 0, Broncos 0.
Stats will go wherever you want them to Kool.
The 2009 Raiders were sunk by Jamarcus. Al brought in Paul Hackett, and Jeff Garcia, purely 100% for Jamarcus’ benefit. Most young guys would appreciate the opportunity, Russell couldn’t be bothered.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
koolkell your a moron tell us something we dont know
December 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Name another General Manager who drafted 3 Non-Productive Top #7 Draft Picks in a row?
Damned near impossible!
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only one character on the planet can fit that bill…
Mr. Davis, ego manica extrodinaire…
December 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
What the hell is it that makes you think Troy Smith is going to change this?
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
@KoolKell … I’d suggest a study of the Rams, Lions, Browns, Dolphins, Jaguars and Chiefs picks to get started.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Howieislong Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
koolkell your a moron tell us something we dont know
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I’m trying my best, but your head is like a rock. Any fool can see that the Raiders problems go beyond Russell or Cable, no?
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
DHB has been laughable at #7, but honestly #2 Jason Smith, #3 Tyvon Jackson and #6 Andre Smith have been just as unproductive.
And Smith’s career is on edge having missed almost a month with concussions.
Just a crappy draft.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
The510 Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
@KoolKell … I’d suggest a study of the Rams, Lions, Browns, Dolphins, Jaguars and Chiefs picks to get started.
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When they post numbers like these, I might.
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
You cant compare the chiefs to the raiders, we have more peices in place on defense then the chiefs. Our defense needs d tackles, and line backers with discipline. Howard is fast but always out of position, morrisison has never recovered from his dislocated elbow, he is taking a pounding in the middle, but he is no good in pass defense. Good defense starts up the middle.
KoolKell has a point, Davis is at his best when there is a strong personality in the front office that can balance out the mix with him. Ron Wolf, Bruce Allen.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
The Raiders have the highest payroll in the league, and the GM is putting up numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Ding-Dong, does that tell you anything???? Ding-Dong.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Is this what it has come to, we are now lumped in with cleveland, detroit, kansas city and all the other traditional doormats. This is why being and oakland native and a raider fan is so sweet. When we win we kick ass, and dominate, when we lose we flame out in spectacular fashion. No one is as hated as we are, check yourselves people, we always bounce back. Davis cant be right all of the time, but not very many have the success that we do. lets not lose sight of the big picture, every team has ups and downs, we are down so kick us while you can, it cant last forever….can it?
December 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
The highest payroll you say…
Well we had MeAngelo Hall at $8 million for 8 games. We have JaBustus at I think X millions for no return. we have Yvonne Walker at $11M for less than 11 catches. This list goes on. Saying money spent equals results is obviously ridiculous. AD has pissed away more $’s on more bad decisions than anyone else of note. No doubt, as well intentioned as he may think he is, therein lies the foundation of the problem. If not already, he’s got to be days away from official 5150 status.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
The Bucks JHill, giving you guys a run for the money tonight.
Milwaukee will make the playoffs this year, and maybe advance. Remember that.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Davis does miscalculate when spending, but would you rather have a guy that refuses to spend dooming you to lose year after year. Davis is a gambler,a risk taker, a maverick, even when we lose its a story. I think I could name about 10 teams that wish they had a guy like Davis. some times it works sometimes its a train wreck, welcome to oakland.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Vegas
Regarding your comment about the local media, go to the Oakland Tribune website and see how different the coverage and editorials are regarding the Warriors Management. FYI they blast Cohan & Co Every-Day.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Davis thinks he is smarter than everyone else, but he isn’t. He is dumber. You don’t build football teams with 40 times. You build them from the offensive line up.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Than why is it they don’t ask tough questions with the Raiders? Is it Herrera?
December 16th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Yup, read between the lines. Coach isn’t too happy with you Russell
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Between the lines?! Getting replaced by the 3rd string cat is pretty blatant.
All I can say is russell must’ve f’ed up really really hard to lose favor with Alphonse.
For Davis to approve the benching and by passing of Russell for Frye speaks volumes.
Hateful, hateful way for things to work out. Russell’s got the skils to BECOME a great NFL QB but sounds like he don’t wanna.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
vegas raider Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
DHB has been laughable at #7, but honestly #2 Jason Smith, #3 Tyvon Jackson and #6 Andre Smith have been just as unproductive.
And Smith’s career is on edge having missed almost a month with concussions.
Just a crappy draft.
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yup add Crabs hold out to that mess too. Crap draft with another crap O line draft on the way.
ZBS may not be the greatest for us because of injuries this year, but looking at these drafts it may be a blessing in disguise. Even expensive lines can suck. Buffalo, Eagles…
December 16th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
“JaMarcus, he’s got to do better, Forget the cast around him. He knows it. But we’ve got to fight through it with him.”
-Al Davis-
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2009/10/al-davis-raiders-will-be-patient-with-jamarcus-russell/1
Does it look like Cable is fighting with him?
December 16th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Nmamdi,
Amazing how much boom or bust the top 10 or 15 has become.
Why is it that with the 3rd rounders, you know almost exactly what you are going to get, but not with the sixth pick in the draft? Is the money killing these guys drive that much.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Check out the Charlie Frye video at this link…
http://www.nfl.com/players/charliefrye/profile?id=FRY448685
December 16th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Vegas
I don’t know, but they’re on a holy jihad to get Cohan & Co to sell.
I can only imagine Al Davis is a lot dirtier player with them.
December 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Coach Elkins Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
“JaMarcus, he’s got to do better, Forget the cast around him. He knows it. But we’ve got to fight through it with him.”
-Al Davis-
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That was an October 16th statement. Somehow I feel that AD’s attitude today is probably much different now especially after JR’s comment that he wasn’t willing to talk about money as “That was already settled”. AD really has to be pissed off at JR. I don’t think AD will sink another 9-10 Million into this disaster. JR will be on the street at the end of the season. Good riddance. We’ll do much better without him.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
in no way shape or form do i feel sorry for Mr. Jamarcus Russell. He is a man and a multi-millionare.
He earned his credibility or the lack thereof. He has noone to blame but himself.
I am excited about the Raiders starting Mr. Frye.
We have a chance to defeat the Broncos. Charlie has a stronger arm than Mr. Gradkowski, but not as strong as Jamarcus.He will also want to play well against the Browns who traded him after one game (opening even) to the season. If the Ravens have a wild card locked up before the last week then you know they will shut it down ad treat week 17 like a bye week for their starters.
Mr, Losman just might be more about Jim Fassel than JP being a permanent QB for the Raiders.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Just some thoughts:
Bruce, Frye, JP. Similar qb’s to some degree where one playbook will suffice (don’t care where they are on the depth chart). Never liked the idea of building a playbook around a deep passer and then the 2 & 3 are totally different types.
Good post by jhill a couple of blogs back, on why didn’t Cable make adjustments during the game. But in his defense, with the hanson hiring and the press brief by JR probably had his head twirling.
I wonder if Al and Cable really get along, if Cable really calls all his shots, if he has something on Al, and how Al reacts these days to the losses. Can Al really think he made a mistake with his draft picks, and all his meddling is comong home to roost?
I’m sure they talk and Cable consults with him, but just a sniff of their dialogue would be worth a beer.
I think the Raiders have a lot of talent. They just need a good leader or two, not a ‘don’t look at me’ type player. I do like Murphy, and hope he becomes an every game guy.
I hope Oakland gets an OC and play caller.
Al: Plunkett, Elway, Williams, Aikman…….These guys were old school. Surely your brilliant football mind sees this! Does working thru this mean Cable goes? Is that all you can muster up to say?
December 16th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Anyone who doesn’t know that Russell will be the starting QB of the Raiders in 2010 doesn’t know enough to talk about the Raiders, and that includes journalists.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Coach Elkins:
“He’s a great player. Get over it” – Al Davis.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
“Drafted 22nd overall in 2004, Losman threw for 33 touchdowns and 6,211 yards over parts of five seasons but was criticized for locking onto one receiver (mostly Lee Evans), for turning the ball over (34 interceptions) and for holding the ball too long (103 sacks). ”
Who does this remind me of….? hmmm.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Kell, keep the stats coming. Don’t let a punk Davis shill like Vegas Raider tell you what to do.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Repost, dedicated to Vegas Raider.
# KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
The Raiders have the highest payroll in the league, and the GM is putting up numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Ding-Dong, does that tell you anything???? Ding-Dong.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
And again…
# KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
The Raiders have the highest payroll in the league, and the GM is putting up numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Ding-Dong, does that tell you anything???? Ding-Dong.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
And…again
# KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
The Raiders have the highest payroll in the league, and the GM is putting up numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Ding-Dong, does that tell you anything???? Ding-Dong.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
One more time, for Vegas Raider, because I like him so much…
# KoolKell Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
The Raiders have the highest payroll in the league, and the GM is putting up numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Ding-Dong, does that tell you anything???? Ding-Dong.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Jamarcus is now known as “the deuce” if you know what i mean
December 16th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Jamarcus is now known as “the deuce” if you know what i mean
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Are you sire you don’t mean douche?
December 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
The deuce is starting QB for the Raiders in 2010.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
The deuce is starting QB for the Raiders in 2010.
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I don’t see it happening. AD would tolerate a lot from JR as long as there was some give & take. JR made it clear that he wasn’t willing to renegotiate salary. AD won’t blow another $10M on this long shot especially if he’s not willing to meet AD on the money trail. AD doesn’t have that many sunrises left to waste. He has to know the trail back to the SB does NOT go through JR.
JR is NOT who AD hought he was. That’s been demonstrated in spades.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
JB, Russell will be here until he’s 30. And your claim that Davis wont’ tolerate losing is just hilarious.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Ding-Dong, Ding Dong
The Raiders have the highest payroll in the league, and the GM is putting up numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
Ding-Dong, Ding Dong.
lol.
But for real, C’mon.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
JB, what will you do when Russell starts next year? Still a fan? Still have faith?
December 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Ha ha, what’s up, Kell. Don’t worry, I was carrying your message while you were gone.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Davis will spend his last dollar on a player he believes in, JB.
“he’s a great player, get over it”. – Al Davis
December 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
if JR is cut, does anyone know when that decision needs to be made by?
December 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
JB, Russell will be here until he’s 30. And your claim that Davis wont’ tolerate losing is just hilarious.
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Your opinion. That & 50¢ gets you a cup of coffee at some places. Tomåto – Tomato. Time will tell.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
The deuce is starting QB for the Raiders in 2010.
……
So your saying Losman is changing his number.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
It’s not an opinion, it’s a prediction. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I won’t be. Russell will be our starting QB in 2010. Cable and Gradkowski gone.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Who said Davis won’t tolerate losing? WTF said that??????????
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
No, 75, I’m saying JaMarcus Russell is going to be our starting QB in 2010, and the year after that, and the year after that. Al Davis drafted this guy number one, and already fired one coach in the grandest fashion for not being behind the move. Al will never, ever, ever, give up on Russell. Well, at least until he’s 30 or so. And that’s a might long time. As long as Al’s alive, Russell WILL be the man. Get as excited as you want about Cable successfully lobbying for Gradkowski and Frye to start…all 3 of them are gone in a few weeks.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
MR
You mean Al Davis will throw his loyal dog under the bus??????????
December 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
It’s not an opinion, it’s a prediction. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I won’t be. Russell will be our starting QB in 2010. Cable and Gradkowski gone.
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If you are right the only thing for sure is that we’ll have another terrible year. That’s always a possibility. Maybe I’m an optimist this time around. I just don’t se JR starting anywhere. He’s simply not qualified and never will be. He’s just a giant Jeff George. But, Jeff George had better work ethics. So what does that say about JR?
December 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
again…
“if JR is cut, does anyone know when that decision needs to be made by?”
basically how long into the off-season can AD wait to make the decision? I was looking through the key off-season dates but couldn’t make out all the language and there was nothing specific about opt-outs.
December 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
“He’s a great player, get over it”.
Are you telling me Al’s going to take that back in just 2 years? No fn’ way. Russell gets nearly a decade. He’s special. HE’s a QB Al drafted number one, and as long as he’s here, Al can promise fans that he’ll turn the corner. You guys will eventually buy in, anyway. When it sinks in that Russell will be our starter next summer, you guys will start looking at the positives. Even though there are very few. But what other choice will you guys have?
December 16th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
JB, Russell never was qualified. Being qualified has nothing to do with Al Davis hiring you. Any Raider fan that doesn’t know that by now…
December 16th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
RMR
Touche. At least we know it wasn’t his 40 speed that caught AD’s eye.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
another note, for a QB like JaMarcus to be successful you need to have either one of two things (probably both).
1) A VERY good O-Line (which we don’t)
2) An offense that comprises of a lot of quick throws (we don’t)
I don’t see Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, guys like Drew Bledsoe moving around in the pocket much making plays with their feet. Not even remotely comparing JaMarcus to these guys but he isn’t a mobile QB at all. To be pissed off about him getting sacked less than 3 seconds after the snap is a little naive I think.
He’s been horrible this season though…
December 16th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
“He’s a great player, get over it”.
Are you telling me Al’s going to take that back in just 2 years?
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LMFAO!
It hasn’t even been 2 years. No fuggin way Al gives up on Russell this quickly after the complete arss he made of himself at the Kiffin PC.
Do you realize what Al doing “the right thing” in this situation would also mean? It would mean that we are getting a GM, we won’t draft something crazy this offseason, and a decent HC will soon follow.
All those things, including dumping Russell is something any other owner would do EXCEPT Al Davis.
I’ll believe it when I see it!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Agree with Jhill!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
It has NOTHING to do with if Russell can be a successful QB. It’s about Al Davis.
Can you honestly say to yourself that Al Davis, not you, but AL DAVIS will cut Jamarcus Russell if Cable doesn’t come back as coach?
Do you really think he will cut the QB and the coach?
It’s one or the other, and Al is giving Cable 3 weeks to make his case.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I’ll believe it when I see it! Even if it takes this franchise down, just to prove his point on Kiffin!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
ANYONE… other than making fun of AD and JR, does somebody know the specific last possible day in 2010 AD can cut JR?
December 16th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
So DuhMarcus has been demoted again! The coach by inference, has said:
1)He is not engaged in the game plan.
2)He does not understand the game plan or schemes.
3)He does not put in extra time.
4)The time and effort he does put in, is all the coach thinks he is capable of.
How can anyone still try to defend this open mouthed drooling, English language murdering, interception machine?
Now who would do that? I wonder what deeply insightful, well thought out, factual post from that person would read? Here is one possibility.
Priest Says:
Why is evyrone so down on thsi kid? the coaches kno hes winnig his job back in practicce and i know things going on at HQ. Doesnt matter if you don’t want him to succeede cause of his skin color, hes 10 times better than Gradklowsi or Fries..Period.
You are all bigots….PERIOD.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
March…no day that I know of!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
No, 75, I’m saying JaMarcus Russell is going to be our starting QB in 2010, and the year after that, and the year after that. Al Davis drafted this guy number one, and already fired one coach in the grandest fashion for not being behind the move. Al will never, ever, ever, give up on Russell. Well, at least until he’s 30 or so. And that’s a might long time. As long as Al’s alive, Russell WILL be the man. Get as excited as you want about Cable successfully lobbying for Gradkowski and Frye to start…all 3 of them are gone in a few weeks.
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So you’re saying the brilliant football mind of Al Davis doesn’t care about winning? That his ego is so inflated he would rather suffer more humiliation and ridicule and forego any success that might be had just to save his precious #1 pick? In all Als’ greatness and genius he can’t see his mistake and realize all he has to do is just cut his loss and move on? Surely he doesn’t think think JR is one ‘great playuh’ with 52 fill ins? You know, the supporting cast. No, I have to believe Al is smarter than that. Just because he has the highest payroll in the NFL with one of the worst teams ever doesn’t mean he has lost it does it? RMR, I sure hope you’re wrong, because the last seven years have been awfully painful. I know Al has some bizarro to him, but JR til he’s 30? Ouch!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
r8eray Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I’ll believe it when I see it! Even if it takes this franchise down, just to prove his point on Kiffin!
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I mean, look at how he threw his former coaches under the bus at Seymours PC for Randy friggin Moss man.
Al is a trip!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
I want to know what’s the deal w/ Bush? Is he not playing hard enough so as not to get hurt and become a starter elsewhere?
December 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
– Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey said the biggest difference in Mike Nolan’s defense is he has often shadowed the other team’s best receiver, something he hasn’t done in past years. Cable didn’t rule out having Nnamdi Asomugha do the same with Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall, who caught an NFL record 21 passes against Indianapolis.
“I certainly thing those two guys will be matched up a little bit,” Cable said.
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Nnamdi’s trade value will go down if this was to happen. Chris Johnson, hope you running plenty gassers this week.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
jhill Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
r8eray Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I’ll believe it when I see it! Even if it takes this franchise down, just to prove his point on Kiffin!
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I mean, look at how he threw his former coaches under the bus at Seymours PC for Randy friggin Moss man.
Al is a trip!
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Every year in the beginning of the summer we are all optimistic about that season..it’s gonna be the same chit this year and the year after.
Like I’ve said on different post and I’ll say it again..we need a GM! Until then..we won’t see a change.
JaBusto will still be in our roster this time next year.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Anybody think AD is laying some groundwork for 2010 with Losman and the Fassel family connection ?
December 16th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Same ole same ole. The only thing that changes is the scapegoat
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 16th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
The irony of it all.
Remember the sticking points to the holdout?
Al was trying to get around the ’skill contract’ part of the deal,not wanting to give the full skill contract, while keeping in the ‘injury contract’.
Considering that not one of the previous 15 #1 picks had agreed to the voiding of the skill contract, Al didn’t stand a chance..but Al was leery of what happened with Vick, and with Saunders retiring, and was hoping to cover his ass.
The ’skill’ part of the contract said the Raiders could terminate the contract if they felt the player “just wasn’t good enough”.
Odd how Al knew, lol.
Al was also hoping to get the contract backloaded, with the bulk of the money coming in year 4.
The thinking was “We’ll resign him to a new contract in year 3, and we’ll never have to pay that monies”…that didn’t work either.
I believe JR got what? 11plus million each of the first three years?
Means he’s gotten his guaranteed bucks..and now?
Which is more embarrassing?
Admitting you blew it, and releasing the guy?
Or admitting you blew it by benching the guy, while paying him 12 plus million to sit?
Or letting him start, and suffer the embarrassment of yet another benching, along with continued blackouts?
What a mess you’ve made of this, Al.
December 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
DATING TIPS BY JP LOSMAN:
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http://dukesofawesome.com/2008/10/08/dating-tips-with-jp-losman/
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Our future QB…LOL!!
December 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Richochet -
UR right on the $$$, dude.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
They are all embarrassing which is why Al is setting it up (in his mind) for Cable to take the fall.
If Cable doesn’t win with Frye, there is no way Al brings back a coach whose team quit on the field, AT HOME! On top of all the other stuff that happened with his per Hanson, and the wife beating distractions? Not to mention DHB, Bush, and DMC all being unproductive even with Grads in there.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I wonder if we’ll have another public overhead projector press conference? In some things AD has absolutely no class.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Until we start drafting offensive tackles in the first round, we will continue to suck.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE DROP-DEAD DATE WHEN AD CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO GET OUT OF JAMARCUS’ CONTRACT?
Does he have until March, Mini-Camps, into training camp?
December 16th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Yeah, Cable is scrambling big time, with the revolving chairs at multiple positions.
Seriously..between WR, QB, and RB, can anyone state, exactly WHO IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE STARTING IN TWO WEEKS?
lol..no..because I don’t think Cable even knows.
it’s “OMG..need a W..need a W..big time. Let’s try this”
Can’t blame him for that, but even he has to know the writing is on the overhead, as we speak,
Now sure what was funnier at the time..the “Can everyone see the overhead” or telling everyone “We’ll be taking a short break”
Is that the first time, ever, that someone called a press conference, and then scheduled a break?
December 16th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Well, the contracts are structured to be divided into equal weekly payments (I assume still 16)so once the final check is out for the year, that satisfies the monies for that season…I believe.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
all i know is that BRUCE GRADKOWSKI must stay there he is our only hope, please get rid of that fat-ass bum russell, worst qb i’ve ever seen next to ryan leaf, dont matter the cost he has to go!
December 16th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
It’s amazing how many Raiders fans still, to this day, don’t know their team’s owner. Denial? Whatever the case, look, JaMarcus Russell is going to be the Raiders’ starting QB in 2010, in 2011, in 2012, basically until he’s 30. Al’s never giving up on him. Al drafted him number one to spite Kiffin, and even called Kiffin out on national television by saying, “he’s a great player, get over it”. And you guys think Al’s just going to swallow his pride and let Kiffin win? Dream on. Do some research on Al Davis, other than highlight films where Al talks about just wanting to win. Study this man’s track record as a GM. Look up Marc Wilson.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
The reason why Russell isn’t restructuring shyt is because he and his agent know that Al will never cut him.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Most of you had never heard of JP Losman until the Raiders signed him. Now you guys are excited about him. He wasn’t good enough for Buffalo. Buffalo.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Richochet, what i meant was how long into the off-season could JaMarcus be given a shot to get his ass in gear?
December 16th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
RaiderYYZ, who’s going to buy the team and put Russell under such pressure?
December 16th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
RaiderYYZ Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
DOES ANYBODY KNOW THE DROP-DEAD DATE WHEN AD CAN MAKE THE DECISION TO GET OUT OF JAMARCUS’ CONTRACT?
Does he have until March, Mini-Camps, into training camp?
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They can cut him anytime.
Usually players with long contracts will have a “roster” bonus, which gives them extra cash if they’re still on the roster at a certain date. Usually after the season but before the draft.
If they cut him, they will owe him the remainder of his signing bonus over the next two years.
IMO, I think he’ll still be a Raider next year. Al won’t want to give up on him yet.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Al will never give up on him, ever. Get used to JaMarcus Russell. We will have coaches that lobby to bench him, start someone else here and there, but ultimately JaMarcus Russell will be the Oakland Raiders’ starting QB.
December 16th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Kirk Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Until we start drafting offensive tackles in the first round, we will continue to suck.
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Damm you people.
Robert Gallery
Matt Stinchcomb
Mo Collins
Hello, Ding Dong, Hello, Ding Dong, Ding Dong.
Have you ever heard of learning?//
December 16th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Matt Stinchcomb?
Ever heard of Clady?
Denver drafted him, they are first in the division.
We drafted McFadden, we are last in the division.
December 16th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
you tell him Kirk.
However, it’s easy to look at a past draft a pick out the players who are good. Clady could have very easily been a bust. He lacked experience and had weight concerns.
But the good thing about drafting tackles in the draft is that they are usully a safer pick. Even if they suck at Left tackle, they can still slide inside and play guard. Gallery and Collins were failures at tackle, but both ended up being solid guards.
December 17th, 2009 at 12:12 am
I know the raiders have got to be looking at russel okung in the draft this year. I believe thats all we’re lacking really. If we can get a good center rt and rg we may be back. Just imagine what Dmac and the rest of our rb’s could do with a real line.(:
December 17th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Dmac20 Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Are you retarded or what?
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Nope because you have those records up there like if tom had of put grads or another qb in there b4 jamarcus we wouldn’t have already had atleast 6 games by now. If jawalrus would have been on the bench all season we would still be in playoff contention atleast math wise. If you think we’re as bad as our record shows the I think you’re retarded…
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????????, I guess you are retarded.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:02 am
In articulation aside, if’s and but’s.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:04 am
Given the history, it would be really difficult to believe that bringing in one player would be enough to take them to the promise land.
Now, one new owner might make a difference…
December 17th, 2009 at 1:05 am
KoolKell Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Dmac20 Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Are you retarded or what?
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Nope because you have those records up there like if tom had of put grads or another qb in there b4 jamarcus we wouldn’t have already had atleast 6 games by now. If jawalrus would have been on the bench all season we would still be in playoff contention atleast math wise. If you think we’re as bad as our record shows the I think you’re retarded…
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????????, I guess you are retarded.
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It’s really difficult to make an intelligent arguement with your thumbs.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Bwahahhahaha
KoolKell you are really airing the fancy words today, huh?
man you guys are funny =)
December 17th, 2009 at 1:24 am
LMN
I’ll be at the Copenhagen Jazz Festival early July, and fancy words won’t be the issue.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Copenhagen Jazz Festival ???
Is that for real?
I wouldn’t have thought vikings and jazz were a mix.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:33 am
NorthernD Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Copenhagen Jazz Festival ???
Is that for real?
I wouldn’t have thought vikings and jazz were a mix.
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Waaaaay more popular there than here. (abroad)
December 17th, 2009 at 1:39 am
# KoolKell Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 1:33 am
NorthernD Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Copenhagen Jazz Festival ???
Is that for real?
I wouldn’t have thought vikings and jazz were a mix.
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Waaaaay more popular there than here. (abroad)
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NorthernD…
Jazz’ home is paris and copenhagen, maybe its born in the US, but it thrives here…
when racial stuff was a problem in the US in the early 50’s and 60’s jazz musician came here and was treated here like they were just as much worth than any other…
there are a few reasons, you know, why ben webster is buried here…
December 17th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Thanks for the info.
I always wanted to check out Scandinavia at some point. Now I’ll have a reason.
I mean other than gorgeous women, great beer and icy rocks.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:50 am
KoolKell…
remember, La Fontaine, its a great place for Jazz also when there isnt a festival =)
December 17th, 2009 at 1:51 am
LMN
I’ll holla at you when you get a more decent shift.
Gnite.
December 17th, 2009 at 1:57 am
NorthernD…
this was their foundation, sadly it isnt anymore…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jazzhus_Montmartre
December 17th, 2009 at 2:04 am
DMac, you could be right. We might be a playoff team if Gradkowski would have started earlier in the year. But he didn’t. That’s the thing about the Raiders, they find ways to lose. That’s what happens when you have an owner who prioritizes personal vendettas (showing Kiffin up with Russell) over winning. And that’s why we’ll be 4-12 next year, too. We’ll have a decent QB riding the bench, while Russell plays. Because that’s what Al wants. Your point demonstrates nothing other than that the Raiders will always be the Raiders.
December 17th, 2009 at 2:30 am
Fool kell please don’t try to insult me because I don’t agree with you… It makes you look like you say… Retarted!!! With gradkowski I believe we would have beat the chargers twice, we would have beaten the jets, we would have beaten kansas city and we would have beaten the redskins. Now thats 5 games aded on to the 4 we have which would make us 9-4. Like I said I believe we’re a better team than the record shows just jamarcus has been hampering the team which is why they quit sunday, he’s the reason we’ve been losing. And Ieven if you listened to classical music It sill wouldn’t make you look intelligent… Jazz sucks.(;
December 17th, 2009 at 2:47 am
SO happy Frye is starting, what a relief! Hope Jamarcus starts working now!
December 17th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Jerry MacDonald’s live chat is sponsored by Mcdonald’s, thanks to the financial help from JaKnowimlovinit Russell.
December 17th, 2009 at 3:21 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 3:29 am
Ok….Tom Cable inherited this Ball-o-Confusion.
I agree with those that say we are better than our record would indicate.
The O-line was and still is in flux
No one knew that #2 wouldnt care or practice or be serious or be whatever it is he is.
Very interesting off-season coming up,ought to be the the most entertaining in years!
December 17th, 2009 at 3:33 am
Anyway….
I hope we Frye some horse-meat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO RAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEERRRRRRSSS
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p.s. Happy Troll….this is a play on words so to speak and is no violation of past gambling arrangements,imo =) lol
December 17th, 2009 at 4:08 am
SO happy Frye is starting, what a relief! Hope Jamarcus starts working now!
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I hope he doesn’t cause I want to wash our hand of this bum ya know???
December 17th, 2009 at 4:52 am
Greetings all. Snow falling in Edinburgh – very festive.
With Jake Locker deciding he will be unfulfilled if he doesn’t break all Tuiasosopo’s old Washington records, the 2010 QB draft class looks fairly uninspiring. Clausen is a decent prospect and so is Bradford, if he can stay injury free. The rest are fairly ordinary. I think the Raiders would be well advised to focus on finding a MLB, a RT, two decent OGs and some depth at CB.
If Davis is smart (a big assumption) he will tell Russell’s agent to accept a $3.1m payoff now, rather than a $3.0m payoff when we enter the uncapped new season. He could/should then put Gradkowski on a two year deal and offer Frye and Losman one-year deals with a second year option. Between the three of them, the Raiders should be more than adequate at QB next season. And the 2011 QB draft class is looking much stronger.
December 17th, 2009 at 5:08 am
Scottish Raider….
I agree,all of a sudden we have 3 QB’s that are young but not rookies.All have been around the block at least once by now and should be coming into their respective zone.Seem’s like a very good problem to have.Cant wait 4 camp.But untill then
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Charlieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 5:17 am
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December 17th, 2009 at 5:25 am
Good Morning Nation, The Only Nation.
I’m not a praying type of person i have my own beliefs, i do think we should all hope and if you do pray then pray that C-Henry makes it out of this as he is fighting for his life.
December 17th, 2009 at 5:27 am
4eva didn’t c if you wrote about you’re boyz b-day Billy Gibbons turning big 60 true Guitar god.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 5:38 am
Silver&Smac always says he yells at the people who boo at the Coliseum I was just picturing him on Sunday yelling at all 20,000 that showed up.
December 17th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Maybe there is a clause in Jmac’s contract and that is why he is not playing, so that he will not qualify for the extra bonus for playing time. So maybe Al Davis is still in love with this kid just doesnt want to pay what he hasnt earned to this point.
Just a thought i could be wrong and probably am lol.
December 17th, 2009 at 5:50 am
Reading some of the post from last night, wow. I cant believe some people want to throw all the blame on Jmac, 1 person will not break or make a team “key word team”. Jmac does not call the plays knowing we struggle in the passing game, and knowing we have 3 above average RB’s but a highschool O-Line thats on the coaches they picked these guys for there skill.
We are a team with no identity on offense we constantly change our game plan, we need an identity and make changes from there from game to game.
Why have i never seen a max protect in there when they want deeper routes? cause Cable is not capable of thinking on the fly.
I’m sure some of the good teams in this league have beeter O-Linmen on there practice squad then we have starting, so i say sign them up and cut our ties with these guys penalty zone blocking get you’re QB killed slugs.
We blame Jmac for throwing the ball and getting our guys hit, and hit hard. Ok but he has to throw the ball or take another sack, this is football, tackle football not 2 hand touch. Although our LB’s seem to think it is 2 hand touch.
December 17th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Hey, I don’t boo my team either, but…i will not yell at the fans who do. especially fellow season tix holders…we all pay the money to be there…its everyones right! And that’s my opinon…I just don’t feel its right to boo my team!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 5:54 am
No I didnt see that….60!!!! WOW Barely remember mine lol
December 17th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Booing put them in a deeper funk, if we stand by them and cheer them up it allows them to forget the last play. It also lets them know hey there with us win, lose, or tie Raiders till we die.
December 17th, 2009 at 5:58 am
test
December 17th, 2009 at 5:59 am
It’s painful to think about about, but remember who Davis passed up in 2007 to take Russell: Calvin Johnson, Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis and Darrelle Revis — all among the top 2 or 3 players at their positions.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Test this is a test of the emergency broadcast system. This is only a test if this were a real emergency this would be followed by brief instructions…………….
this concludes our test of the emergency broadcast system.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Speaking of Megatron read in the rumor mill Detroit is looking to trade him in a blockbuster deal. How can we get our hands on this superstar.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:03 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, GOOD POINTS HWNDR,AS A SSN TKT HOLDER MY SELF,I ONLY YELL AT WHAT I PERCIEVE AS LACK OF EFFORT ( CHESTER MC GLOCKTON)PLAYER’S TAKING PLAY’S OFF..
December 17th, 2009 at 6:03 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Test this is a test of the emergency broadcast system. This is only a test if this were a real emergency this would be followed by brief instructions…………….
this concludes our test of the emergency broadcast system.
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brief instructions to follow… cut jacarcass russell… cut heyward bey… cut cable… cut the chesse… that is all…
December 17th, 2009 at 6:05 am
I’m a 3 time beaner “mexican, italian, spanish” be more specific on the cutting. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
December 17th, 2009 at 6:05 am
i’m not sure, but i think i got banned in here for a period of time…
and i have no idea why…
December 17th, 2009 at 6:07 am
i heard from my former brother in law that an italian is just a puerto rican with a job…
he’s an italian from NYC… looked like sly stallone back in the day… just standing next to him got me laid…
December 17th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Pretty accurate in his assesment lol.
I have the best qualities from all 3.
Anger and attitude “italian”
Romantic and looks “espana”
Hard working “mexican”.
This concludes this test on the 3 types of beans that i’am lol.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:13 am
You mean Tommy Kelly? I know he does…
I know I wanted to body slam some zebras last week…but the Raiders have to be that team that says, hey…the zebras are against us (like they have been for many, many years)…lets show them that we are not quitters and keep playing! One very painful and obvious sign of quitting was that “Tuck Rule” crap in NE!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Pete…that’s somepretty powerful stuff if you stand next to someone and that get’s you laid!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:16 am
I’m definitely NOT defending Russel, but I do find it amusing that the people who are complaining about JaMarcus’ command (or lack thereof) of the English language have all kinds of misspellings and grammatical errors in their (NOT there!) posts! LMFAO!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Quitting and not having a choice in the outcome are 2 different things.
This team we have now yes quitters, that team we had didnt have a choice we would have been a dynasty if not for Saragusa 1 year, Walt Coleman 1 year, and Callahan 1 year. Those players were destined to be great but they were not given a chance to.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:19 am
I spell in text form thats my excuse. LOL just kidding i mess my spelling up all the time but it’s only the criminal element i talk to on here hahaha.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Player, ref, coach…you are absolutely right! We should have won 3 years in a row…do you think if we won the first 2 that Chuckie would have left? That’s what gets me about all these haters….many forget that we were in the SB 7 years ago? And there team?
December 17th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Chris Henry on life support, “not a rumor”.
Calvin Johnson in trade rumors “rumor from Schefter”
December 17th, 2009 at 6:26 am
the last thing this team needs is another young WR…
BUILD THE LINES!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:27 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Pete…that’s somepretty powerful stuff if you stand next to someone and that get’s you laid!
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some of the girls thought he WAS Sly Stallone…
hey, it got ‘em talking…
and if you want to gat laid… all you gotta do is listen…
December 17th, 2009 at 6:27 am
The Raiders would have been what the Patriots became.
Our owner has so many enemies in high places they screwed Al were it hurts his team. And now the fans have turned on him, this man is hurting i doubt he thought he would ever see the day when his Raider Nation would turn on him. We were his backup a middle finger to the world i have my Nation.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:27 am
A guys walking around IQ ain’t the same as football IQ Marino brilliant QB could read D like nobody and read and react but real life Dumb as hell , Jamarcus work ethic is what bugs me the most his footwork is abysmal and seems to be getting worse.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:27 am
I agree Rockstar!!!
I heard about Chris Henry, but did not know that he was on life support…wow! God be with him!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:29 am
florida pete so true that is the hidden secret. Wanna get laid dont open you’re mouth women just want you to listen thats it.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:30 am
I honestly think we should trade UP and get:
DT suh – nebraska
then focus the entire rest of the draft on O-Line
Gradkowski/Frye/Losman is good enough to get the job done imo
December 17th, 2009 at 6:31 am
I agree R8dr4lfe…that was that eerie crack in the dimension that allowed Brady, Bellicheck and NE to become the Raiders of 77-84! As for Al’s middle finger to the world…I’m still there/here! Like 2Pac…woke up screaming…”F the world!!!”
December 17th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Rockstar…yup! I want that Suh guy too! And yes, cut the losses and those 3 will be serviceable for next year. Hopefully a diamond in the ruff will be found!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:34 am
I remember in boot camp back in the 80’s that a few would buy Nyquil to get their fix. Tried it once and did not like it! Its no substitute. But…Plunketthead…good for you, bro! And you’re right in saying that the kids will do what they want to do!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Hwndr it’s ok this league has a funny way of paying back those that laugh in the face of this game.
Patriots are now struggling be competitive, the Steelers wow enough said there, the cowboys with there Crackhead teams they won with and now are americas team, well you know there history in december and there running losses in the playoff’s 1 and done.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:36 am
The fans here get it.
Build the lines, especially offensive tackle.
Denver drafts Clady, they are in first place.
We draft McFadden, we aren’t.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Drunk and high at the same time?
BRB
December 17th, 2009 at 6:38 am
32 teams fighting for superbowl wins. Only 1 will get it so in my eyes if you’re team didnt win it all then the season was a failure. That is if you have high standards for yourself. Unlike the Patriots who wanted the undefeated record and then got beat. What did they really accomplish that year by laughing in the face of this league.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Kirk,
Is Clady that much better then Mario Henderson. Not to mention we got Mario a whole lot cheaper.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:40 am
here is what I don’t understand…
3 QB’s who have EVERYTHING you want in a QB outside of that freakishly strong arm Russell carries. Garcia, Frye & Graddy in OTA’s and camp. Hackett & Tollner are well known for grooming & developing QB’s. got all the experience in the world there. got an owner & HC that believe in him to start the season
looks like Russell was set up for success and he failed. there was no QB competition. they even cut ties with Garcia so he wouldn’t have somebody looking over his shoulder!
people are always quick to point out the O-Line & WR’s, but fail to look at the big picture. Also see how well these other QB’s came in YEAR 1 in Oakland (Russell is in YEAR 3) and outplayed him with the same supporting cast. I see no reason to keep him. You can’t teach heart and desire. he cares about himself, not the organization, the fans or his teammates. he could be labeled the biggest draft bust in Raiders history, which is really saying something because there have been PLENTY!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Plunketthead….One can do no drugs,drink no alcohol or syrup and still lose their house and end up alone.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Not the same supporting cast for Russell.
He didnt have Gallery after week 2, when Gradkowski started Gallery was back. Jmac was forced to make DHB look good when he was struggling with his own hands. Gradkowski got Schilens and Murphy and Dmac all healthy. Also Jmac was not allowed to get into a rythm cause of dropped passes, Gradkowski got the better hands team with the different lineup. Jmac was still learning, and they gave him 3 inexperienced WR’s to play with. Gradkowski comes in with a win win situation, if he failed of course he is the backup, if he succeeds wow Jmac sucks now i’m the starter. Not such a burden ob his shoulders.
Jmac has alot of the blame i agree but not to the extent that some are taking it to.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Here is what I think people are referring to when they say Russel is on the syrup, as per Mike Florio at PFT.com;
“Authorities arrested Jolly in July 2008 for possession of at least 200 milligrams of codeine, the active ingredient in cough syrup that routinely is mixed with soda to make a potent intoxicant.”
December 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am
People become mad scientist when there trying to get high. If only that same effort were put forth to make this world a better place. It’s genius the stuff they come up with but a waisted effort.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am
A good morning to the morning crew!!
How ya’ all doing ?
December 17th, 2009 at 6:55 am
The receivers are catching the ball better because Russel does NOT throw a catchable ball the majority of the time. Too high, too low, behind, or no touch, you name it, and Russel does it as far as bad passes go. Even DHB finally caught a TD after the change was made to Gradkowski.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Doing good Neilb sitting here sipping my syrup, i mean coffee.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:55 am
THANK’S JHIL…
December 17th, 2009 at 6:55 am
r8dr4lfe21: he’s a bust
when your franchise QB #1 overall draft pick has 15 turnovers and only 2 TD’s and gets benched in favor of 3rd string QB’s like Frye or Gradkowski, what else would you call it?
Detroit went winless last season and Matt Stafford looks better than the Walrus in his 3rd NFL season – when QB’s are expected to produce
December 17th, 2009 at 6:56 am
4eva
I am well aware that there are many paths that lead to a homeless exisitence.
That was something a Robi junkie said on the net. I just copied it.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:56 am
time to get some work done. later gents!
December 17th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Good morning to you, Neilb! Doing good here, hope you can say the same my Raider brother.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut “DHB touchdown catch”. Russell throws a fast ball ALA Favre so the WR need to adjust to it. I seen so many times they barely got there hands up so it wouldnt hit there facemask. OK he is not as accurate but when he was there was some flat out drops. So i say his fault yes but he is not alone in this blame game.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Can’t say that I like Chris Henry but good luck and get well soon.
December 17th, 2009 at 6:58 am
R.I.P. Chris Henry
December 17th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Per Mike and Mike
December 17th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Mad
Thanks.
I knew about Codiene. I didnt know about Robi
December 17th, 2009 at 7:01 am
I’m doing fine…..thanks for asking.Just like my old friend Scottish the snow’s coming down heavy right now.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Is Henry dead ? Nothing on nfl.com.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Im way late to answer this but here goes:
Silver-n-Smac Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
So at the age of 24, all you fellas stayed at your places of work, long after your paid day was over, in the interest of being the best you could be huh?
I know this isn’t a totally parallel comparison but come on man.
You guys act like we’re all at peak maturity at the age of 24.
That’s B.S.
Just listen to the kid when he speaks.
He has trouble looking the reporter in the eye.
He’s clearly embarrassed.
When he un-intentionally runs teammates under the bus, it’s clear that he’s battling a lot of emotions inside. On the one hand, he wants to say “yeah, it’s my fault”, but on the other hand, he’s afraid that comes off as “soft” to his buddies/supporters. As a result, you get something like “well, it’s all my fault. . . .maybe”.
This kid has been humbled. But, he’s still not ready to handle the media. And he’s just not ready to be a full-time starter.
But come on – how many of you really “got it” at the age of 24?
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My answer. At 19 years old I was promoted to General Manager of a UHaul rental facility. My salary was $28,500.00. I worked from 6am-5pm Monday through Saturday, allowing my employees to close the store each night. That is 66hrs a week MINIMUM, I was only “paid” for 40 hrs a week. I worked extra because I wanted to make absolutely sure I was doing the best I could do. I wanted my store (my team) to be the best and be recognized for it. Don’t you dare tell me that its ok for Russell to slack off because he is only 24 years old. He is (was) the face of the Oakland Raiders and is being paid as such. It is his responsibility to do everything he can do to be successful AND make the others around him successful as well. Remember JAMARCUS is the guy who held out for more money, essentially killing his rookie season, he was mature and ready enough to DEMAND more money for his talent, but not mature or ready enough to get in shape for the season or learn the ENTIRE playbook by training camp. You should be ashamed of yourself for even offering up this ridiculous excuse.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:04 am
If thats true it would explain lots of things
but I have yet to see any evidence other then heresay
December 17th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Why do I get the feeling someone beat Henry close to death and dumped him on the side of the road.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Kirk Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 6:36 am
The fans here get it.
Build the lines, especially offensive tackle.
Denver drafts Clady, they are in first place.
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Well technically they are in second place. But the point is Clady is a stud, that’s why he has excelled.
The first three OT’s in the 2009 NFL draft, all scrubs. Jason Smith, #2 pick, was ineffective and worried that his career is already over with multiple concussions already. Andre Smith, #6, got hurt, is fat, held out and rarely plays. Eugene Monroe, #8, has been in and out of the lineup, had four penalties in a half and hasn’t played since, around week 5.
It’s not the position man, it is the player. DHB and Russell just suck that’s the problem. If we drafted Percy Harvin, we would have no complaints right?
December 17th, 2009 at 7:08 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Not the same supporting cast for Russell.
He didnt have Gallery after week 2, when Gradkowski started Gallery was back. Jmac was forced to make DHB look good when he was struggling with his own hands. Gradkowski got Schilens and Murphy and Dmac all healthy. Also Jmac was not allowed to get into a rythm cause of dropped passes, Gradkowski got the better hands team with the different lineup. Jmac was still learning, and they gave him 3 inexperienced WR’s to play with. Gradkowski comes in with a win win situation, if he failed of course he is the backup, if he succeeds wow Jmac sucks now i’m the starter. Not such a burden ob his shoulders.
Jmac has alot of the blame i agree but not to the extent that some are taking it to.
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Is it his supporting casts fault for his weight issues, his inability to learn the entire playbook, his tardiness for meetings.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Yup, Chris Henry died…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4750615
RIP Henry!
December 17th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Russell’s holdout had nothing to do with him wanting more money. The holdout was due to the LANGUAGE of the contract. Richchet did a pretty good job of pointing that out yesterday. Davis was trying to get language in the contract that basically said if we don’t think you are good enough we can cut you and not pay you. Russell’s agents didn’t fall for that, thus the holdout.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Don’t know ’bout that Plunketthead.I just find it all a little odd.Tiger has a fight with the wife,has a car crash and walks away with nothing.Henry does the same and is fighting for his life.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I guess the fiancee will get charged with murder? Manslaughter?
December 17th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Why do I get the feeling someone beat Henry close to death and dumped him on the side of the road.
I know, huh? He was found what? 8 miles North of downtown Charlotte?
December 17th, 2009 at 7:12 am
JaRobotripping
December 17th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Wow….didn’t know.
R.I.P. Chris Henry.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Thanks for he update Plunk!
With the cold season in full swing, I’ll make sure to keep that shyy outta my house.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Vegas,
It was pretty apparent the second game of the season that Russell had a “late night”, lol! I can remember that first pass to DMAC that went right into the ground like it was yesterday and the way I just plopped down on the couch KNOWING that “here we go again”. Second game of the season and I already knew it was a wrap. All because the QB was not ready to play. Looked like he has literally just got out of bed right before kick off.
I know that “morning after stumble” man, lol!
December 17th, 2009 at 7:16 am
I feel sad for Chirs Henry’s 3 kids. He blew his big chance at a big pay-day getting in so much trouble, now he dies before he can get an NFL pension. Maybe the Bengals will help his family out.
But, even in his death, he always acted like a moron, and was an NFL player getting 15 year old girls drunk in a hotel room back in the day.
Hope his kids have a better life than their dad.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Sorry, Vegas Raider, it is the postion.
When you draft defensive backs in 5 out of 8 drafts, you are focusing on the wrong thing.
Football is won on the lines. Until Al Davis realizes that, we will continue to suck.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Neil
I am not sure Tiger had a fight.
I think he was Ambientripping and wanted to go hoing.
Didnt get far before Elin found him passed out in the Car with the doors locked. She freaked, ran, got a 5 iron, broke out the window, and waited for the medics.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Im not sold on DHB being a complete bust. His hands leave something to be desired, I totally agree. He has no confidence at this point and he is kind of stuck in quicksand. The more he struggles to make the catch the more he is going to drop. Give him 2 more years, with a solid starting QB that will work with him and get his confidence up and he will be a decent receiver. He has a fantastic work ethic, and none of the diva/ego issues that normally accompany top WR’s. It is not his fault ,with Al being so eager to prove everyone wrong, that he was thrown prematurely into the starting line up.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Bruce Allen going to the Redskins…does this mean Gruden will soon be following?
December 17th, 2009 at 7:24 am
If Frye starts…….Cable is trying to save his job and Russell is done.
If Russell starts…..The team won’t play for him,he’ll crash and burn and is done.
Either way Russell is done…..and this sucks big time.Whichever way you look at this it’s been a waste.The waste of the first pick,a waste of time and money and the waste of a young man.It brings nothing but ridicule to the Raiders and I’m sick of it.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Plunketthead…
I’ll be honest,that’s what I thought had happened.Got into a fight with the wife,stormed off in the car and hit a tree.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:33 am
I’ll be back later….
December 17th, 2009 at 7:33 am
What up NATION???????
Mr. Davis Should have hired Allen at the begining of this year…
Bet we miss out on all the big name coaches also.
RIP C.Henry…
December 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Allen to Washington almost certainly means Gruden to Washington.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 17th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I guess the fiancee will get charged with murder? Manslaughter?
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Not if he was chasing her to “Tom Cable” her ass.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Kirk,
You know I respect your opinion and all, but I can’t have a debate if your just going to throw out rhetorical’s all day.
“Football is won on the line” “football is a game of blocking and tackling”
Well no shyt!!! Can you prove to me that drafting lineman in the first round makes a team better at blocking and tackling and winning football games? Like actual stats.
See I gave you stats on the 2009 NFL draft. DHB, as sad as it is, is more productive than 2 O-lineman taking ahead of him, at least in 2009. The Browns selected a LT, who is a Pro-Bowler, and a C who is starting in the first round 2 of the last 3 years. Their offense is worse than ours.
Our O-line needs to be improved, NO DOUBT. Drafting a RT in the 2nd round is the way to go and I support that 100%.
But just saying “draft the lines” as if any old LT at #7 would make this team great is ridiculous.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:36 am
We are going to be stuck with cable. We need a OCO if thats the case. It wont really matter, but cable is inept. Guys on this blog call better situational plays that he does…
December 17th, 2009 at 7:38 am
CNN) — Cincinnati Bengals football player Chris Henry has died, police in Charlotte, North Carolina, confirmed Thursday.
Henry suffered “life-threatening injuries” after falling out of the bed of a pickup during a fight with his fiancee, police said earlier.
The incident occurred shortly before noon Wednesday when Henry’s fiancee tried to drive off during a “domestic situation,” only to have Henry jump into the bed of the truck, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department said in a written statement.
“The domestic situation continued between the operator and Mr. Henry,” according to a police statement. Henry “came out of the back of the vehicle” about six-tenths of a mile from the house, police said.
Henry was believed to be in critical condition after the wreck, the Bengals said in a statement on their Web site. Police said Henry underwent treatment at the Carolinas Medical Center hospital in Charlotte.
Charlotte is the home of his fiancee’s family, the team said.
The 26-year-old receiver has played for the Bengals for five seasons, but has been on the injured reserve list after suffering a dislocated forearm during a November 8 game against the Baltimore Ravens. The 6-foot-4, 200-pound Henry caught 12 passes for 236 yards and two touchdowns in eight games before being hurt.
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You jump in the back of a truck during a fight you ASSUME THE RISK of death or grievous bodily harm.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Adam Schefter said this morning on M&M that after he was on Sports Center last night giving an update of the Raiders and Russell some unnamed Raiders’ official called him and told him the Raiders were very happy with Russell.
Lol
The caller id on Schefter’s phone must have come up as Priesttj…
December 17th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Actually kinda glad the Gruden thing is over before it started. Would’ve loved to see him come back, but the fact that we don’t have to swing in the wind on it is even sweeter.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Vegas… you post some of the most convincing arguments of anyone on here. Kudos bro…
December 17th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Im actually of the opinion that Gruden coming back would not be a good thing. He has only been successful with teams full of vet’s. I havent seen him develop any draft picks into top echelon players. Our team is VERY young. Gruden is not the guy…
December 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Well thank you….my wife would be proud (as she yells at me for being on here first thing in the morning)
December 17th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Morning NATION… AM I the only 1 who thinks were gonna beat Denver..
December 17th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Dakota,
LMFAO!
No, it was Herrera. Cmon man, you know your owner. Cable is the one on the hot seat with Al Davis, not Russell.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:52 am
408 no
December 17th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Does anyone think that part of Al Davis’ interview for the next head coach won’t include a discussion on how to develop Jamarcus Russell?
December 17th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Jhill
No
December 17th, 2009 at 7:55 am
408,
If we have ANY chance at winning this game, it will come from the defense. If Denver scores 17 pts or more, we have NO chance.
Gallery’s out, and we have a 3rd string QB starting.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:56 am
At this time I would like to announce the categories for this year’s Inside the Oakland Raiders blog awards.
Best Username of the Year
Worst Username of the Year
Al Davis Toady of the Year
Most Mindlessly Repetitive Poster of the Year
Angriest Poster of the Year
Worst Prognosticator of the Year
Best Prognosticator of the Year
Most Prolific Username Aliases of the Year
Most Creative Bastardization of JMR Name of the Year
Best Billboard of the Year
Tom Cable Hater of the Year
Most Pointless Postings About Fixing the Raiders Through Better Talent of the Year Award
Most Pointless Posting About Yearly Awards of the Year
Please submit your nominations to this board by December 28. Thank you for your cooperation.
December 17th, 2009 at 7:56 am
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 7:58 am
True that… Lets Go D!
December 17th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Angriest Poster of the Year <————- all of us…
December 17th, 2009 at 8:01 am
408
December 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Of course we’re still making fun of Jafatso. He ruined last week’s game! If you have a bad line, you get a mobile qb and bring lineman in.And get him out of the pocket. Man, when Elway or Bradshaw scrambled, THAT’S when I got worried. Gannon scrambled well when he needed to.Let our young receivers develop. You bring in cocky veterans or high draft picks and it never works. Good weight trainer is what they need. Best teams are the strongest teams. Even an average player will be way better when he’s strong. Best players are like animals. They live in the weight room. Steelers do it. Cardinals started doing it and look how they turned their team around. Gotta play mean, strong, and smart. That’s the game. Kinda helps if you have a genius OC as well.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Go Lakers!
Gasol 78 rebounds in 4 games and 22 rbs last night.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:04 am
B.Marshall,wonder if he has a let-down after his record setting preformance?
December 17th, 2009 at 8:04 am
JaMarinovich the second coming is out. He’s had his chances and he blew it it’s that simple. Time to look to the future. Everyone seems to think the last three games are Cables future – no way he’s winning all three, I’ll give him one win out of the next three. He’s done also – bring on the next low rent people to work this team into the dirt Al, we’re tired of looking at this ring in the circus, we need a new one.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:06 am
RAIDERS-BRONCOS SERIES: The Raiders lead the series 55-41-2 over the Broncos in regular season play since the teams first met in 1960. The teams are 1-1 in the postseason.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am
from Raiders web-site
December 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
OhioRaider:Where do we submit entries?
December 17th, 2009 at 8:09 am
“Tom Cable Hater of the Year”
I’ll just take the award right now thank you very much.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:10 am
hey 4eva why is ur boy the mod deleting comments again??
December 17th, 2009 at 8:15 am
because I’m telling him too thats why
December 17th, 2009 at 8:15 am
“JaMarcus Russell Hater of the Year”
Thank you….Thank you very much!
December 17th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Yeah Dakota in a land-slide on that 1 =)
December 17th, 2009 at 8:17 am
This is not a good way to start this morning! Knowing we are not gonna get Jon “Chucky” Gruden as our next head coach!
December 17th, 2009 at 8:17 am
see what happens when you dont pay your bills..
http://news.peacefmonline.com/foreign/200912/34754.php
December 17th, 2009 at 8:22 am
new post
December 17th, 2009 at 8:24 am
• jhill Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Is there ANYONE in here who actually believes this isn’t about Tom Cable?
Do you really think this isn’t Cable auditioning for next year? If he loses this weekend, isn’t he gone?
Do you think AL is getting rid of the coach and the QB?
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Jhill –
First off – good morning!
Hey man – what does this mean? Of course Cable is doing everything he can to win. He owes it to himself and the other 52 guys in that locker room.
Look, it made total, absolute sense to play JaMarcus the majority (if not all) of this season. The Raiders HAD to find out if the kid is ready or not. As all of you love to mention, they paid the kid a ton of money. So we had to find out. It’s not a case of Cable being a puppet or not.
But, you also have to move on when it’s crystal clear that the kid is not ready yet. And that’s what Cable did. Why does he get all this shiot around here for what he’s doing now? Al wanted JaMarcus given every opportunity to succeed and Cable did that. And now it’s time to move on for these remaining games.
And as for our previous conversation: Are you seriously telling me there’s something about Jim Caldwell (sp?) in Indy that really impresses you over Cable? You really are enamored with his coaching? Could it have anything to do with good QB play. . . and good play by players in general?
How can you say things like “Cable just got lucky in Cincy?”. Come on man – give credit when credit is due – the entire team deserves credit when they win, and that includes the coach.
As I keep saying, when Cable’s gotten good QB play, we’ve won almost every time. Problem is that we’ve rarely had good QB play in his tenure. The common link? JaMarcus Russell. As much as I’ve supported him, he’s sucked – and as a result – Cable has suffered the consequences.
Look no further than the Washington game. First half – Raiders are dominating the game (regardless of the score). If the normally-reliable Zach Miller makes that catch at the 15 yard line (perfect throw, perfect play-call), we’re going into half-time up 17-10.
Second half – horrible QB play, coupled with team basically laying down – result? Loss. How can you put that on Cable? A coach cannot be asked to make a guy show inner pride & heart. That’s on the player. The team basically conceded defeat when Russell came in the game.
How can you blame the coach when you lose 38-0 at home? JaMarcus comes in and immediately spots the Jets 14 points and the rest of the team lays down for the remainder of the game.
This is a mentally weak football team. Sure, not a good play call by Cable to ask J-Russ to throw deep from his own goal line. But come on man – does that warrant a total team collapse? Give me a break.
Some of you fellas put WAY too much emphasis on the impact of a coach on an NFL game. Coaches can make a difference when you have a marginally good team. When you have either a mentally weak team, or horrible QB play – there’s only so much a coach can do.\
Never has that been more evident than in the play of the Raiders this year:
Good QB play = success. Bad QB play = failure.
The coaches success or lack thereof is a direct result of that.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Please submit your nominations to this board. Thank you.
December 17th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Cable could be a decent coach if he was left alone. The team could return to glory with a diminished role for Al. The system screws up everything.
December 17th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 16th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
The Raiders are the WORST FRANCHISE IN the NFL!
With that said:
Cut JaMarcus Russell RIGHT NOW
Year-End:
Fire Tom Cable
Fire the entire coaching staff
Cut Cornell Green
Cut Cooper Carlisle
Cut Samson Satele
Cut Darius Heyward Bey
Cut Gerard Warren
Cut Tommy Kelly
Restructure or Cut:
Michael Huff
Justin Fargas
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ok….Who replaces them via draft and/or free agency?
and how did they beat Pittsburgh, Philly and Cincy, “fan”?
December 18th, 2009 at 12:20 am
You know what I was really beginnig to think that the Raider fans were not seeing the big picture. Some people just talk to be talking and some people talk with some intelegence. J Russel has his faults but the team sucked before his arrival. There has to be a reason for that. I have read some very good comments here and I agree that Russell has not had the same good hands people in the line up during the losing streak. This was due to injuries to a number of offensive players. A lot of players have come thru here and they leave to play for other teams and there play is spectacular. People keep talking about Russells weight and they don’t know how much the man weighs they just want to be talking. I’ll cut this short Russel looked good in the first game of the season and we should have beaten San Diego if the defense had not got caught slipping. He threw the touchdown pass to beat KC and he was quarterbacking when we be Philly. So his record this season has 2 wins just like the great Gradkawski. The players may not like russell but that is not a reason for them not to play thier best. Let Frye start and that O-line is going to get another qb down and out. The oline is the key to success. The fans that are focussing on Russel should take a good look around the supporting cast to see what is really going on. Thats my opinion.
December 18th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
My first log, so what up Nation? I been a fan all my life and I truly believe Mr Davis has truly seen the light as far as JRs ability to lead his team. Never in all my life did I see a team have so little confidence in its QB as the Raiders showed Sun. They have determined that if JR plays, they have absolutely no chance to win. And the fact that the Raiders beat 3 good teams with only decent QB play speaks volumes as to the inherent quality of most of the players on this team.The fact is, a lot of players cant go from high school to college, alot of great college players cant cut it in the pros. No shame, JR was the consensus #1 QB in the draft and all agreed Oakland would be fools not to pick him. Well, I believe this expensive experiment has gne on long enough, and since JR won’t restructure his contract because he has no faith in his own ability,that Mr. Davis will cut his losses and release him. AD has tried to bring in some players(Seymour, Ellis) he thought could help, and I dont think he wants to leave this legacy, this current state of affairs to history. I think AD will man up before his passing and right the ship, or at least try.
December 19th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Good Bye Off The Marcus Russel ! U R A Biger Bust Than Akili Smith Was !
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