Walker will start at LG
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, December 18th, 2009 at 1:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Langston Walker, thrust into action as guard for the first time in six years two weeks ago, will start at left guard Sunday against the Denver Broncos.
Chris Morris, who received a game ball in that same game against Pittsburgh for holding the line together at center, and helping keep Walker abreast of his assignments, will go to the bench and be the backup at center and guard.
It’s not surprising the Raiders would make a change up front after surrendering eight sacks in a 34-13 loss to Washington, and Morris is taking the fall.
Asked what went into the change, Raiders coach Tom Cable said, “Just the play of what we got last week at left guard and trying to secure that a little bit.”
Walker joked openly in the days after the Steelers game about how Cable approached him during the game, asking him what schemes he liked, with Walker replying, “I don’t like any of it.”
He likes it a little more now.
“I do feel a little bit better at it, just because I’ve had a week’s practice at it,” Walker said. “The coaching staff is pretty confident in me playing it. I’m just going to go out there and do it.”
Having gone from prized free agent signee in Buffalo to out of a job in the past year until the Raiders signed him on Oct. 14, Walker isn’t looking much past the next game.
“I’ve always been, ‘You want me to do this? I can do it.’ I put that in my mind that I can do it and I go out there and play at the highest level that I can,” Walker said. “In terms of a permanent solution, who knows? I’ve seen stranger things. I could drop 100 pounds and might play linebacker or something like that.”
Walker’s ascension could be a hint the Raiders intend to run some power plays to their left. Moving the ball with the run could help neutralize right outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil who leads the NFL with 15 sacks.
More news and notes:
– Cable said Zach Miller will be tested later today to determine whether the tight end can face Denver Sunday. Miller did not practice all week. It will likely be classified as a “game time decision” but expect Miller to be on the inactive list Sunday.
As for Miller’s replacement, Cable said “it wouldn’t matter” who starts between Tony Stewart and Brandon Myers because both will play.
– Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey has been listed as “out” against Denver, meaning the rookie will miss his third straight game. Asked if there was something more serious at work with Heyward-Bey’s injury, Cable said, “foot sprain.”
– Also listed as out are quarterback Bruce Gradkowski (knees) and wide reciever/return specialist Nick Miller (tibia). LB Sam Williams is questionable after missing practice due to an illness.
DE Matt Shaughnessy (groin), S Michael Huff (stinger) and DE Greg Ellis (knee) made it through the entire practice and are all probable.
Ellis hadn’t practiced all week, and don’t be surprised if that’s the way the Raiders handle his knee through the last three weeks _ getting him involved in one late-week practice and keeping him fresh for game day.
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December 18th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Yep the best way to stop a charging De is run right at them,imo
December 18th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Jerry
Do you have the guts to ask Al Davis, General Manager of the Oakland Raiders, how it is he has the highest payroll in the league, and continue to put up numbers like the last 7 years?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Yep like Kell said we used to POUND the rock.With big Langston Walker at LG we should be able to run it left and that of course will help Frye,imo
December 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Jerry
Do you wet your pants just thinking about challenging Al Davis?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
We are all still very much in anguish since the Superbowl. It’s been one very long hangover.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Dakota – In response to your post from the last blog…DAMN!
December 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Jerry
Do you have the guts to ask Al Davis how any General Manager can survive while putting numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
December 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
24 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
I can’t believe I was sitting in the house of a Bucs fan during that Superbowl. I think I honestly wanted to cry and I barely cry when someone dies. Man…It was like having your heart ripped out. I think I left in the middle of the 3rd quarter because I couldn’t take it anymore.
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24,
I watched that SB at a VFW in Omaha, NE, and I had a 1.5 hour drive home…the thought of taking my seatbelt off and slamming into a light pole at 90 mph actually crossed my mind…
…first and only suicidal thought I have ever had…
December 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
24 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Dakota – In response to your post from the last blog…DAMN!
___________________
So what…YOU almost cried! lol
December 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Since our team sucks and all…this is what I’m rooting for.
I want the Saints and the Colts to go perfect just to put it in the face of the Patriots and I would like to see them both in the Superbowl but I’m sure at least one of them won’t make it.
I kind of like the Saints because they remind me of Gruden/Gannon with Payton/Brees.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Dakota – LOL.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Jerry, if you reported more on the management and/or ownership of this team, and its role in how bad the team is, your blog would get more hits and it would make your paper more money.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
did you do it Dakota???? lol
December 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Walker to start?
GOOD!!!!!!
Watch us blow big holes in their D for the first time since Gallery got hurt week 2.
Not enough “beef” on the line with this ZBS. Morris cannot move the pile. Best case, Satele sits and Morris plays center.
I know Morris isn’t a massive guy either, but at center he plays better.
So does the line.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Dakota probably did crash and he woke up a Lakers fan haha.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
My hope for the rest of this year is that the Bungholes win the SB.
Bungholes vs. Aints and the Bungholes upset them and prevent them from going undefeated…and Mercury Morris overdoses on coke after the game in celebration of the Phins keeping their place in history!
December 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
24 I would love 2 see Saints win it,if we cant of coures.I think the Saints came into the league in 1967 and if they win they will have one more S/B victory than the dolts
December 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Jerry, if you reported more on the management and/or ownership of this team, and its role in how bad the team is, your blog would get more hits and it would make your paper more money.
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Lemmy from Motor head sumed it up.
“ONE TRACK MIND”
December 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Jerry
Are you and Herrera lovers?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
4eva – Haha. Yeah…I’ll be ok with the team winning the Superbowl that defeats the Chargers. That can be their reward.
Question is…if the Chargers make it to the Conference Championship and lose, does Norv Turner get fired since Schottenheimer went 14-2 and got fired? Would they be too successful for the ownership to deal with?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
These questions could be answered if you’d ask during the chat but Jerry would probably just filter them out.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Also…the chat is worthless. Same questions every week by a guy who doesn’t know anything more than we do but you guys consistently try.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Forget the ZBS.
Let’s get some good offensive linemen in the draft and pound away.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
or…same questions every week “to” a guy who doesn’t know anything more than we do.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Jerry
Why is it you never have anything to say about Management vis a vie Raider performance?
Are you and Herrera lovers? and who rides on top?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Kirk – That would require good ownership.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
KoolKell – Maybe that can be the next Raider billboard?
Jerry,
Are you and Herrera lovers? And who rides on top?
HAHA.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Walker should have practiced at TE for the Super Bowl vs. Tampa Bay. We could have run right at Simon Rice and the boys. We looked good vs. KC running the ball, and could have brought a new wrinkle and set up the pass with the run. We decided to beat the horse to death that got us there and play right into Gruden’s hands.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
“Missing” Sam Williams and Bey is additon by subtraction.
Higgins is waaaay too erratic to play with any consistency at this level.
Schilens seems too fragile, Walker M.I.A., Murphy gets the dropsies too.
Oakland secures a WR with the 7th overall and still is worse off then it was before.
Now they don’t even have a QB.
Or an FB.
Or a line.
Or a kick returner.
OR a MLB.
Or sane management.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Bobby Bushay Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Walker should have practiced at TE for the Super Bowl vs. Tampa Bay. We could have run right at Simon Rice and the boys. We looked good vs. KC running the ball, and could have brought a new wrinkle and set up the pass with the run. We decided to beat the horse to death that got us there and play right into Gruden’s hands.
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Thank Callahan.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
lol, we can suggest it.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Nnamdi – Sounds like we’re on our way…
To the end of the world.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Run at Elvis, put Myers in motion toward him and crack back block his ass. Roll the pocket toward him. Don’t let him chase Frye thats his strength.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
Thank Callahan.
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Dumbest coach in the NFL.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
RMR
I posted this a few threads back when you were spouting off about nobody stepping up to take your bet. You didn’t respond, I am guessing you didn’t see it
Madden Raider
I don’t have to trust you one iota to make this statement.
If J. Russell is the Oakland Raiders starting QB in 2010 and you email me your address I will send you a money order for $100
And if he is not the starter you don’t have to say or do anything. We will all take pleasure in the knowledge that you were wrong.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Live chat
[Comment From tom ]
jerry, gruden may be telling the raider fans something. what do you think.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
More Live Chat
[Comment From Levon ]
What do you think the odds of Suh (that stud D tackle from Nebraska ) falling to the Raiders are and will they draft him if he is there? We clearly need O-line and D-line help immediatly!
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lol
December 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
[Comment From Vicki ]
Okay Gruden? Did he really tell Otto all Al has to do is call as someone in here suggested?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
I think Jamarcus Russell could be the starter next season if we had a salary cap because the cap hit would be too much for the team.
However…
Without a salary cap, we cut him, lose 3 million dollars and theres no cap hit. I think that changes everything and its hard to determine what Davis will do under those circumstances.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I dont even mess with the chat
December 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
[Comment From RaidersFan223 ]
Jerry, Bradford or Clausen in the first round?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
4eva i gave up on it too. i read a few comments but im not ADD enough to keep up with it.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Jerrwey
Will Russell or Grabkowski start next year?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Yep you know big Al wants #2 to succeed but he needs to see a real improvment.If #2 cant win the next camp hopefully #2 can carry a clip-board for a year or 2 but of course he must restructure.If he dont what else can Al do but just send him adrift?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
DT42 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
Thank Callahan.
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Dumbest coach in the NFL.
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funny thing is, he was right. Gannon was the brain of that monster. Told everyone their assingments ever play inthe huddle.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
so i got a question for you guys, i live a little over 100 miles south of oakland. but how is that im still blacked out from watching the home games? i thought there was only a 70 mile radius blackout?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
[Comment From Vicki ]
Okay Gruden? Did he really tell Otto all Al has to do is call as someone in here suggested?
^^^^^^^
Rickey, the owner of Rickeys in San Leandro called KNBR and told Radnich thats what Gruden told him.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I thought it was 100 miles.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
is it? but im over 100miles out.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
More Live Chat
[Comment From Levon ]
What do you think the odds of Suh (that stud D tackle from Nebraska ) falling to the Raiders are and will they draft him if he is there? We clearly need O-line and D-line help immediatly!
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^^^^^^^^
If the Raiders get lucky and fall into the top 3….then they might have a shot at Suh.
If the Raiders get a pick out of the top 5, there is no chance for Suh.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
i dont know where i heard 70 miles but i heard it somewhere.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
when did they change it from 60 miles? I thought it was 60 miles
December 18th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I don’t know RaiderD, because I think they get the games in Sacramanto.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
thats weird im farther away from oakland than sacramento is. last week all i had to watch was SD and Dallas, i couldnt stand it.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Considering the most games won lately has been 5 and we have 4 games won now…You’ve got a chance to pick 1 out of the 3 games left that you think we’re going to win.
Out of the last 3 games, which one do we have the best chance of winning?
December 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
The Oakland Raiders’ home game against the Washington Redskins on Sunday will be blacked out on local television because the team did not sell out the game in time. Games need to be sold out 72 hours before kickoff to avoid a blackout in a 75-mile radius. This is the sixth straight home game that Oakland has been unable to avoid a TV blackout.
Source: The Sun News
December 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
I don’t see the Old man paying Jamarcus 10m a year for holding a clipboard and eating fatburgers…he’s gone.
December 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
[Comment From Levon ]
What do you think the odds of Suh (that stud D tackle from Nebraska ) falling to the Raiders are and will they draft him if he is there? We clearly need O-line and D-line help immediatly!
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If he runs a sub 4.40 then yes, we’ll draft him. The odds of him coming here?
About as good a Sedrick Ellis or Glen Dorsey.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4754555
Holmgren still mulling Browns’ offer
December 18th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Jerry
Do you have the guts to ask Al Davis how any General Manager can survive while putting numbers like these:
09′ 4-9
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
^^^^^^^^^^
Thats the question I want to asked to the old man also.
Why won’t any of these freakin reporters or “journalists” ask the tough questions to the old man? Because they like the free food??
I also want a reporter to ask the old looney man, if he knows the fans of the Raider Nation want a GM to be hired and Gruden to come back and if he even cares about what the fans think?
I would love to see the old mans reaction to that!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Nick Miller – What a waste of a roster spot. Could have/Should have put him on the PUP and re-evaluated him. Knowing he is shaky at best to return, they could have used that spot to help the O-line.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Raider D….
My guess is, if your local station’s signal overlaps that 75mi. radius, then your SOL….
December 18th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
[Comment From Levon ]
What do you think the odds of Suh (that stud D tackle from Nebraska ) falling to the Raiders are and will they draft him if he is there? We clearly need O-line and D-line help immediatly!
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If he runs a sub 4.40 then yes, we’ll draft him. The odds of him coming here?
About as good a Sedrick Ellis or Glen Dorsey.
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I don’t know about that…he drafted that worthless POS Darrell Russell.
As I said before that draft, I think Al could not draft Ellis or Dorsey because Sands had a big contract and so did Kelly, obviously.
I think Al might be more inclined to pick a DT this time around than he was in 2008 IMO, now that he sees that Kelly isn’t the great DT Ryan thought he was…
December 18th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I think for the 1st time, we may not need to draft a defensive back but that won’t stop Al Davis.
I think the starting group of…
CB – Asomugha
CB – Johnson
SS – Mitchell
FS – Branch
This could really be something special imo. I even think Huff became a pretty good player under Marshall as well and could easily start at FS again and keep Branch at SS but I’m figuring the big hitters may play more.
With that being said…With the 1st Round pick by the Oakland Raiders in the 2010 Draft, the Raiders select Taylor Mays – Safety – USC
December 18th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Sacramento does not get the game when it is blacked out. I read somewhere a while back, that the black outs are 70 miles out, and if the 70 miles hits an area like Sacramento, the black out continues to the nebulous outskirts of the greater Sacramento area. I think the closest place that airs the game is Chico to the North. I’m not sure how far the black out extends to the south, but I’m pretty sure that it extends past Stockton.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
thankx 4 the info D
December 18th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
24 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4754555
Holmgren still mulling Browns’ offer
“Holmgren said he has been contacted by at least one other team, but it wasn’t the Seahawks. Seattle has not begun its formal search to replace Tim Ruskell, who resigned as general manager earlier this month.”
^^^^^^^^^
The quote above was the most interesting piece of that article.
We should all hope the one other team that “has contacted Holmgren, but is not the Seahawks, is the freakin Raiders!!
Lets hope the old looney man can surprise the Raider Nation and hire Holmgren as head of football operations and player personnel/gm.
Doubt it though….not with the dumb way the old man has been doing things recently.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
My brother always gets the Raider games in Redding, CA and thats 2 hours north of Sacramento. Thats all I know.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
909 i think your right that makes sense, because if its 75 miles out then i should be getting the game.
blackouts are stupid….
December 18th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
DKnight – The sad part is…as awesome as it would be for Al Davis to hire Holmgren and Holmgren to actually agree, I don’t see the outcome lasting very long as AD would probably piss off Holmgren and Holmgren would be left to resign from his position. Its not just hiring a GM, its learning how to keep them happy.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
The reporters are scared of Herrera. Scared as sh1t that they might get Kawakamied!
I’d like to see it too. I’d like someone to ask Davis if they can have a projector presentation of why the Raiders have sucked hard over the past 8 years.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Blackouts may be stupid but if the Raiders were worth watching and people were more open to putting money towards going to the games instead of putting up a billboard, we wouldn’t have them but thats not going to happen when AD continues to run the team into the ground.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Sniper + Al Davis =
December 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Blackout are the only leverage fans have to get a guy like Holmgren.
Keep em coming.
Btw. The Raiders are lying like a mothahubberd about attendance figures according to D White.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
63. True Dakota. Sands hadn’t crapped out yet and they both had big contracts.
Still, Davis felt and liekly still feels the O will fix the D.
Gawd this Offense has been really really terrible at scoring for many years now…
December 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
And, it seems the richer NFL owners are tired of subsidizing (welfare payments) to outfits like the Raiders.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Yea i can believe that, just looking at the stands will tell you that they are lying.
or maybe everyone was just in line for the bathrooms.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
This decade is rapidly running out of time, what was the:
Best Raider moment of the decade?
Best Raider player of the decade
Best Raider draft pick of the decade?
Best Raider free agent signing of the decade?
Best Raider coach of the decade?
Best Raider headline of the decade?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
24, = dream come true!!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Dakota
Best Raider moment of the decade?
Going to the Superbowl
Best Raider player of the decade?
Shane Lechler
Best Raider draft pick of the decade?
Nnamdi Asomugha
Best Raider free agent signing of the decade?
Jerry Rice (Rod Woodson in the mix)
Best Raider coach of the decade?
Jon Gruden
Best Raider headline of the decade?
Al Davis, Please Hire a GM!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Tho I have no way of knowing how all this works its way out but….
I think in his mind(?) Al thinks he has been trying to show the Nation that,even tho things are a mess, he is trying to get through it.When Cable benched #2 not a sound out of headquarters.That same week-end the Organization informs the public of a new 3 year extension at the coliseum.In Al’s mind(?) what more can he do?
Now all the while the Nation has had it up to their eye-balls of this this “situation” the last 7 years.Now there are starting to be black-outs,and yes Im positive Big Al see’s the empty seats,its all part of his bottom line.The Nation definitely has his attention,imo
He renewed for only 3 years.Three years win or lose,if he’s not profitable,he dosent renew again,why would he? Bill-boards can help but I honestly think NOT going to the games benefits NO ONE
December 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
GIANT QUESTION:
IF WE CUT JACARCASS IN JANUARY. THEN HE SIGNS WITH SOME OTEHR NFL (OR UFL) TEAM. DOES HE GET –BOTH– TEH REMAINDER OF HIS ROOKIE CONTRACT –AND– HIS NEW CONTRACT?
I ASK SICNE THIS IS –NOT– TEH CASE WITH COACHES. THAT IS, IF THEY GET FIRED AND RE-UP WITH ANOTEHR TEAM THEY DO NOT DOUBLE DIP ON SALARY.
THIS IS A MAJOR EASON WHY BIG TIME PAID COACHSE RATEHR SIT OUT A YR OR TWO (SEE GRUDEN, SHANAZERO, ET AL)
THANKS IN ADAVANCE FOR YOUR EXPERT REPLY (JERRY NEVER RESPONDED TO ME)
HAPPY HOLIDAYS FELLAS!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Whatever happened to the talks of the Raiders joining up to build a stadiim in Santa Clara with the 49ers?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
4eva – a 3 year extension puts him in line to share the stadium with the 49ers if they move to Santa Clara. He might do it even if the 49ers accept the San Francisco proposition as well but I’m not as sure about that one. Of course, he may not have much of a choice by then.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
24, so its still a possibility?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
TuckRuleFool – I believe that if Jamarcus Russel got cut in January, he would go through a waiver wire process and any team can pick him up along with his contract. If he is not picked up by any team during the waiver period, he becomes a free agent with no contract and any team can sign him to a new one. If he gets cut after March 1st, he doesn’t have to go through the waiver wire he automatically becomes a free agent with no contract.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
RaiderD – The new stadium is supposed to be complete by 2013 or 2014, which puts the team in line to share the stadium right after the lease with Oakland expires.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
The Best moment of the Decade, for me, has to be the Saturday before the 02′ Super Bowl.
Best Draft Pick: Nnamdi
Best Player of Decade Rich Gannon. 3 Pro bowls
Best coach: Gruden
Best free Agent Signing of the Decade: Lincoln Kennedy/ Charlie Garner/ Jerry Rice.
Gannon was signed in 99′
December 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
It puts it in line but is it actually a possibility? i for one am ok with the teams moving to the south bay? the only team left in sf and oakland would be the Giants and warriors, with the A’s leaving and the raiders leaving.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
thankx 24 I had 4gotten about the 49er possibilty
December 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RaiderD – The biggest issue right now is that people voting are happy with the 49er idea in Santa Clara but they’re worried about the increase in traffic during an 8 game schedule and 10 game schedule if the playoffs are included. If you add the Raiders to the stadium, there will be traffic every Sunday no matter what and people are upset with the idea of having 2 teams because of that.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Also…based on the plans…that stadium will be the 49ers, not the Raiders so it will have all the 49er colors and everything. Its really just a hotel stay for the Raiders until they have their own thing.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Really from what i heard it would be somewhere along the lines of the Giants/Jets situation, where all the teams colors would be LED signs that change to that weeks home team’s, and the seats would be a neutral color.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
because i dont see investing that kind of money as only a temporary thing.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
“Cable back in 2010″
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I would rather have a homeless woman fart in my face.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80211229&template=without-video&confirm=true
December 18th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/SanFrancisco49ers/newaerial2.jpg
December 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
http://www.49ers.com/stadium/new-stadium.html
December 18th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/132750?eref=sircrc
December 18th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Best Site
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/SanFrancisco49ers/newindex.htm
December 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
but great america just got bought out by another company. and they are saying that that company might sell Great America to the 49ers.
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports-headlines/ci_14020854
December 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Al Davis has been trying to get a new stadium since 1982?
He’s still waiting for somebody to build him one, too funny.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I just told my wife I wouldn’t go to the movie Blind Side this weekend because I would just be sitting there thinking about how we should have taken Oher over DHB through the entire movie.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
time to beat down Dungver and crush their playoff hopes!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
This site also lists all the new stadiums, including the new LA stadium the Raiders could also attempt to move to.
http://football.ballparks.com/NFL/misc/futureindex.html
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Blackout are the only leverage fans have to get a guy like Holmgren.
Keep em coming.
Btw. The Raiders are lying like a mothahubberd about attendance figures according to D White.
^^^^^^^^^^
I know I’m maintaining my one home game a year stance, until serious change occurs with the Raiders.
When I talk change….I’m talking about hiring Holmgren (a Bay Area man) as the head of operations/GM and bringing in Gruden or Harbaugh as the head coach.
When that happens (when hell freezes over) then and only then will I buy season tickets…..otherwise Al Davis can go F**K himself!
He aint suckering me into speding my money on a lousy product and accepting his lousy decisons.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
This decade is rapidly running out of time, what was the:
Best Raider moment of the decade?
Best Raider player of the decade
Best Raider draft pick of the decade?
Best Raider free agent signing of the decade?
Best Raider coach of the decade?
Best Raider headline of the decade?
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Let’s do the worst:
Worst Raider moment of the decade? Gannon breaking his neck, when it all started going downhill fast
Worst Raider player of the decade? Clarence Love, I think DHB would have went 7 for 140 on him
Worst Raider draft pick of the decade? Jamarcus
Worst FA signing? Javon “the Jersusalem Healer” Walker
Worst Raider coach of the decade? Art Shell, the guy took notes on the sideline. Nothing worse than seeing your coach getting pummeled and taking notes
Worst Raider Headline of the Decade? How about anyone in regards to the overhead projector day. What a circus
December 18th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Dakota – Hah.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
I just told my wife I wouldn’t go to the movie Blind Side this weekend because I would just be sitting there thinking about how we should have taken Oher over DHB through the entire movie.
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LOL!
I told my wife I can’t take out the trash anymore, because it reminds me of JaMarcus
December 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
lol
December 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Dakota Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I just told my wife I wouldn’t go to the movie Blind Side this weekend because I would just be sitting there thinking about how we should have taken Oher over DHB through the entire movie.
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Spend that money on an escapism visual effects film like AVATAR in IMAX 3D.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
The crazy part about the Gannon injury is that he was playing like crap to start the season if I recall. There was a stat that said the majority of QB’s who reach the age of 38, tend to have there worst years and everything goes down hill. He turned 38 and it was looking that way before the injury.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Worst FA signing? Javon “the Jersusalem Healer” Walker
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How about DeAngelo Hall?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I’ve got to go to the bathroom and take a Jamarcus haha.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Lemmy from Motor head sumed it up.
“ONE TRACK MIND”
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A one track mind beats a clueless mind, which is the best way to describe the minds of people who honestly think players will make a difference in this system.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
KoolKell – That would be the worst trade, not the worst FA signing.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Would Washington have to hire Shanahan as an interim HC THIS season in order to get around the Rooney Rule?
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
it was wrong for Walker to get offseason surgery without letting somebody know or getting permission first, but it really hurt this team to put him in the doghouse and pay him starter money while shell-shocked Higgins and the rookies were struggling out there and Schilens & Miller were both hurt!
we should have played him. couldn’t have done much worse than those other clowns…and if JaWalrus hangs him out to dry on a few passes? good!
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Barret Robbins going Awol Super Bowl Sunday was pretty bad too.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
24 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
RaiderD – The biggest issue right now is that people voting are happy with the 49er idea in Santa Clara but they’re worried about the increase in traffic during an 8 game schedule and 10 game schedule if the playoffs are included. If you add the Raiders to the stadium, there will be traffic every Sunday no matter what and people are upset with the idea of having 2 teams because of that.
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Yeah the people complaining about “traffic” in that area on a Sunday nontheless are dimwits.
Nodody drives to the Great America area on a Sunday…..only when Great America is open.
During the week though…is a far different story. The 237 is a nightmare during the work week.
December 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Best draft pick–
Sea Bass/Lechler/NNamdi
Player Decade-Has to be Gannon.
I would like 2 Honorably mention Justin Fargas
Coach-Gruden
F/A Bill Romanowski/ Jerry rice
December 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
They should build the new stadium on Alcatraz.
No, seriously, it would be cool to see it built on Treasure Island. Right in the middle between SF and Oak. Traffic nightmare though. Never happen.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
All the secret surgery would have done for Walker was keep him out of the camps, which I’m sure he was aiming for but it shouldn’t have kept him out of the games. Hes a veteran, he couldn’t have been worse than 2 rookies.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Would Washington have to hire Shanahan as an interim HC THIS season in order to get around the Rooney Rule?
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or officially declare him HC of 2010 like the Seahawks did with Jim Mora Jr.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
24 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
KoolKell – That would be the worst trade, not the worst FA signing.
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Oh, that was a trade? ok.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
“I told my wife I can’t take out the trash anymore, because it reminds me of JaMarcus”
LMAO – RR
December 18th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Judge, I already said last night the bet’s off. Not enough people willing to bet. And, your request for my address is just hilarious.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
see you guys. have a great weekend
GO RAIDERS!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
DKnight – Everything is a nightmare during the week, ESPECIALLY 101. 85 has a TON of accidents. 680 S going 280 N is a disaster…it all sucks.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
DT42 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
Thank Callahan.
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Dumbest coach in the NFL.
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funny thing is, he was right. Gannon was the brain of that monster. Told everyone their assingments ever play inthe huddle.
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Very true, but i still think that if we had changed the audibles like Ro. Williams suggested we would have won the Superbowl. I still miss that offense. No one ever stopped it except ourselves.
In Trestman I Trust – Next HC of the Raiders !!!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RaiderRockstar – The Seakhawks could do that because Jim Mora Jr was already on the coaching staff but Shanahan isn’t on the coaching staff which means they have to abide by the Rooney Rule…I’ve just never heard of a coach getting hired during a football season but I’m sure the NFL wouldn’t be happy about it.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
take it easy Rockstar
December 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Deangelo was a sign and trade. A candidate for both worsts!!!
Great job Al…..er Lane Kiffin (sarcasm)
December 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
The reporters are scared of Herrera. Scared as sh1t that they might get Kawakamied!
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What?!?
Kawakami wasn’t even scared of Herrera. Watch the video. Herrera acts all tough at first then starts shaking when he talks, like a guy who’s not tough trying to act tough.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
24 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
RaiderRockstar – The Seakhawks could do that because Jim Mora Jr was already on the coaching staff but Shanahan isn’t on the coaching staff which means they have to abide by the Rooney Rule…I’ve just never heard of a coach getting hired during a football season but I’m sure the NFL wouldn’t be happy about it.
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I guess the Redskins were questioned about complying with the Rooney Rule when they hired Bruce Allen yesterday, but the NFL confirmed that they did comply with the rule…so I guess if we here that James Lofton is being interviewed for the Redskins’ HC job don’t be surprised!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Its interesting that Bruce Allen would take a job under Syder (Al Davis #2). He must be a glutton for punishment haha.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
I have a choice between ATT Uverse or DirecTV in San Diego. I need Internet and Cable so I have to get my internet through ATT but which cable should I choose?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
DT Gerald McCoy going to the NFL.
Cool, another good player to pick from.
That Locker guy is a MORON for returing to school.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Amazing what a new stadium will do for a franchise.
Snyder is the only guy to change coaches more than Al, would give Davis a run for the money in terrible FA signings, and his teams are no better.
But the franchise’s worth has sky-rocketed, mostly due to FedEX Fed.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Locker is going to play baseball I think, just like your boy from Notre Dame that sucks for the Cubs now.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Al Davis is a MASOCHIST by the way!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Dakota,
Best Raider moment of the decade? Woodson’s pick vs. Denver on monday night, ‘02.
Best Raider player of the decade? Rich Gannon
Best Raider draft pick of the decade? Nnamdi Asomugha
Best Raider free agent signing of the decade? Since Gannon was signed in ‘99, he’s ineligible, so that makes it Charlie Garner.
Best Raider coach of the decade? Jon Gruden
Best Raider headline of the decade? Exact headline? I can’t recall.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Vegas – I agree. That guy is going to get injured his senior season and his stock is going to drop. It seems to work that way quite often.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
worst F/A — have to consider Moss
we signed him when we had whipped cream for an O-line
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Best
well Gannon was NFL league MVP
Even though Barrett Robbins was BiPolar — he was and All Pro studdddd center
Rod Woodson is also my favorite…
Charles Woodson does not qualify… drafted before 2000 I think. He was a studd — knocked the Tuck Rule ball from Brady’s hand in the snow.
Rod Coleman was a sacking machine for a small DT, but never got much credit.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I’m maintaining my one home game a year stance, until serious change occurs with the Raiders.
When I talk change….I’m talking about hiring Holmgren (a Bay Area man) as the head of operations/GM and bringing in Gruden or Harbaugh as the head coach.
When that happens (when hell freezes over) then and only then will I buy season tickets…..otherwise Al Davis can go F**K himself!
The old man aint suckering me into speding my money on a LOUSY product and accepting his LOUSY decisons!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Woodson’s pick!!! What a play that was. I think we were 4-4, and getting drove on the opening drive.
96 yards later and we were on our way to the Bowl.
I think I might go cry. DAMMIT those were the days man!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Dknight007,
I would only want Holmgren as GM to set up a coaching staff. His first round picks in Seattle were laughable.
I saw the list the other day, he had Shaun Alexander, but he drafted 2 guys in the top 15 who played something like less than 25 games before they were out of the league forever.
I think we have something like that in place already, LOL.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Yeah!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I remember almost turning the game off before that pick, Vegas. It happened just as I was reaching for the remote. I believe that if Denver would have scored on that drive, we would have fell apart and not even made the playoffs that year.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Probably right. Didn’t we lose 4 games in a row going into that game?
Head-strong vets man, with a mix of ultra-motivated young talent, it is our only hope.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
If AL knows what is good for the team and the pockets of the owners of the raiders, he will bring back chucky. i dont think al is coherant enough to recognize that though.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Hey Kids!
You can hear your Oakland Raiders 2010 1st. round pick do a radio interview, today!
That’s right, Taylor Mays will be on the Petros & Money show @ 5:30pm pst. TODAY!!
http://www.am570radio.com listen live link. Or your local Fox sports radio station…
December 18th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Vegas, right at the beginning of the video…
http://raiders.fandome.com/video/112215/Raider-highlights-of-MNF-500th-Game/
December 18th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
It was a great mix, the vets all seemed at the top of their game. Even Romanowski brought toughness to the MLB. I would like to know the percent of first downs Zack Crockett and the O-line got on 3 & 2 or 4th &1.
It must have been 90%. He always moved the chains on short yardage.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Taylor Mays would be the stupidest pick….
But since we are talking about Mr. Davis make sense…
December 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
If you need a football fix.
The California State High School Championship games are on tonight and tomorrow, on FSN cable.
Should be some good games, they were last year..
December 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
909, where you been hiding out???? How r you doing Bruh?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Thec07….
When Mays runs a 4.2 40, at the combine. Al’s drool rag will be soaking wet. Thus, Mays will be the pick.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
909
Any teams from the 909 playing tonight?
I think Corona Centenial was in the mix last year.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Thec07…
I’m usually lurking here in the afternoon for a bit, don’t always chime in…
Been doin o.k. wish work was busier though. How bout you?
December 18th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
You guys should at least go to this game,imo
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December 18th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
909, same story diff day…Your right about the mays pick which is why we need a GM to end this folishness…
December 18th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
vegas raider Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Dknight007,
I would only want Holmgren as GM to set up a coaching staff. His first round picks in Seattle were laughable.
I saw the list the other day, he had Shaun Alexander, but he drafted 2 guys in the top 15 who played something like less than 25 games before they were out of the league forever.
I think we have something like that in place already, LOL.
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It’s all about hiring proven WINNERS to this organization who have proven they develop a WINNING TEAM!!
December 18th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Stabler 76…
Don’t think so.
San Diego Parker vs. Modesto Christian (small school) @ 4:00pm
Oceanside vs. San Jose Bellamine (Div 1) @ 8:00pm
Tomorrow, there are three games on. I know that a O.C. team is playing a team from Sactown.
And, Crenshaw vs. De Lasalle in the BIG game…
Can’t remember the who’s in the other game….
December 18th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
909
I like watching the HS games on FSW.
Crenshaw vs. De Lasalle should be good.
First time I saw Deshawn Jackson was on FSW.
A kid named Gerheart from Norco was on the Seahawks during preseason, I never checked to see if he stuck.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Comcast sports net here in Sacramento has “high school football” on their preview guide for 8pm. Is that the Crenshaw/De Lasalle game?
December 18th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Nah ,I guess that game’s tomorrow. Just found an article on it. There should be a law that every single newspaper article about a sports game has to have the time and place of the game in bold print.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Tyvon Branch is da man. Said he’d play anywhere ’cause he loves the game. Bet he could not hold his own in the steads of Lechler or SeaBass or center, but the rest of ‘em…? probably so.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Stabler76..
Those kids play they’re hearts out. One of the games last year went triple OT with a score something like 48-45.
Greg Papa called the two big games last year, guess someone else on the mic. this year, since we’re in Dungver…..
December 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
MR – That was a great video on the Rich Gannon completion record. A lot of people hate the dink and dunk offense but its no different than if you run 3-4 yards per carry at a time. You gain the same yardage and you spread the ball around a lot more, frustrate the defense a lot more and are less predictable when you actually do run. Then, when the defense is getting sick and tired of it and they move up, you hit them with the long bomb like Gannon did to Rice right over the top of Champ Bailey. Just freakin awesome to watch that team do what they did. That also controls the clock and wears the other teams out.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
This is what I’d LOVE to see…
I’d love to see John Madden be the guy to buy this team. All he has to do is fire everybody in the Raider Organization and hire the best people and let them make the decisions. Hire the best management, ticket sales, coaching staff and let these guys bring in the best players. It wouldn’t take too much for Madden to do that and watch it unfold in front of his eyes. You just know he wants to.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Al Davis isn’t going anywhere, and nobody will work for him. Our hopes rest on boycotting and maybe the league intervening, something. Lane Kiffin tried to do everything that any real head coach or GM would have done, and Al wasn’t having any of it. Look who Kiffin was replaced with.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Gannon was in the league 12,13 years in that video vs.Broncos?
I have a feeling with his work ethic Grads could possibly be almost that good.3 time mvp is pretty hard to even match
December 18th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Kiffin now has a great job and gets to work with his father…haha. The guy made out but I honestly don’t think he was trying to do that. Kiffin was trying to build the Raiders back up and he helped in drafting guys like Zach Miller and Michael Bush and Tom Cable and Tom Rathman were good hires for the positions they coached. Bringing in Monte Kiffin would have really helped this defense had he been allowed to do so and Kiffin would have been a Life long Raider had Al Davis not been a prick so Kiffin started being a prick right back.
You just know that Kiffin wanted either Quinn, Calvin Johnson or an offensive lineman but Al Davis couldn’t help it. He had to have his big arm. How can Kiffin be successful with that? A guy that didn’t fit his own system and someone he wasn’t comfortable with? A Head Coach needs his own QB or it doesn’t work and once Kiffin realized he wouldn’t be successful here, he found a way out.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
H School football in its upper echelons like De la Salle is no different than the Texas/SC/Fla/OU etc colleges. Sign the best players and then run roughshod over the rest. Whoopee. The damn Yankees set the pace with the idea.
Wanna a real football championship with real players? Check out the one tonight. No hype. No super-recruits. Just plain ol’ football. For the title. Wildcats vs. Grizzlies.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
I think Gannon was only a 1 time NFL MVP. He had MVP in the Pro Bowl 2 years. He went to 3 Pro Bowls?
December 18th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Hell..even Schneider was a great hire as special teams coach as we have now learned.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
24,
if you think that Kiffin was not a prick prior to being hired by the Raiders then you have a few classes to take in basic human nature.
It was probably Yogi Berra who said, “a leopard doesn’t change its stripes”.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Gannon attended Saint Joseph’s Preparatory and won three varsity letters each in football and crew, and twice in basketball. Gannon exploded his senior season winning first team All-City as a punter and quarterback. He threw for 1,567 yards his senior season.
Gannon attended the University of Delaware, was a member of Sigma Phi Epsilon, and played under Tubby Raymond and ran Raymond’s Wing-T offense. When he led the Raiders to Super Bowl XXXVII in 2003, he was the second of three[1] players from the University of Delaware to go to the Super Bowl.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
M – I’m sure Kiffin wasn’t perfect but a prick knows a good prick when he sees one right? Al Davis hired him. On top of that, there used to be a lot of “prick” Head Coaches back in the days that were tough on their players and they were successful. Kiffin was just straight forward and honest and honesty hurts but he got his message across even though people are wussies today and can’t handle a little criticism. Kiffin had this team headed in the right direction.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
M Lonetree Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
H School football in its upper echelons like De la Salle is no different than the Texas/SC/Fla/OU etc colleges. Sign the best players and then run roughshod over the rest. Whoopee. The damn Yankees set the pace with the idea.
Wanna a real football championship with real players? Check out the one tonight. No hype. No super-recruits. Just plain ol’ football. For the title. Wildcats vs. Grizzlies.
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Agreed! 100%….also, no sponsor money or b.s excuses.
College football championship determined by winning games and controlling your own destiny
December 18th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Cool….But I really see shades of Gannon in Gradkowski,just how he already knows how to use plays and then totally make the defense bite and then Band!!!! Yep all those little passes se t up TD to Rics….just as the fake pitch to Fargas vs.steAlers made the TD pass to Chaz work.Man Grads and Fargas could have sold a bucket of water to a drowning man on that play they sold it so well,imo.And they only just getting started with Grads
December 18th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Wing T Offense
The Wing T offense can be grouped into two major types. The first is the “Delaware,” named after the college that first used the offense.[citation needed] This offense generally uses two running backs and the quarterback to move the ball, with a degree of passing. The other type is the “Bay City,” also named after the college that first used it. The Bay City uses three running backs and the quarterback. This offense can be used in either power running or run fakes, and passes less than the Delaware offense.[citation needed]
In both types of the Wing T, the key to the offense is the linemen. A large majority of the plays are done by trapping or pulling one or more of the linemen; this includes passing as well as running plays. This offense also carries out extreme fakes. The Bay City will sometimes have the QB and all three RBs carrying out run fakes well past the line of scrimmage. The Delaware, when run properly, will do the same, but only the HB and FB will do the run fakes and the QB typically fakes a pass play. In both offenses, teams are power rushing plays, with the Bay City better suited due to its personnel makeup.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
24 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
M – I’m sure Kiffin wasn’t perfect but a prick knows a good prick when he sees one right? Al Davis hired him. On top of that, there used to be a lot of “prick” Head Coaches back in the days that were tough on their players and they were successful. Kiffin was just straight forward and honest and honesty hurts but he got his message across even though people are wussies today and can’t handle a little criticism. Kiffin had this team headed in the right direction.
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You are right. Kiffin was the right guy. He pleaded with Davis not to draft Russell. Then he had a game plan for developing the kid…bring him along slowly, run the football. Kiffin got the most of DMAC.
He was also competitive in most games he coached.
The only reason he wanted out was because THE OWNER wouldn’t let the guy choose his own DC in the offseason when it became apparent said DC needed to go. Kiffin then realized he had no real power or authority.
Al Davis does it again folks.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
TD to Jerry Rice sorry
December 18th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
If we can get the BEEF on the O-line Grads will take us there,imo
December 18th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
M Lonetree,
Now to prop up this Bowl scam….they create the idea of picking all the bowl games for prizes…..a.k.a gambling.
What a joke!
Grizzlies vs. Wildcats for the Championship….this game in infinitely more interesting then that BCS scam
December 18th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
4eva,
Disagree. I think its JP Losman time next year.
Let’s face it…Davis real love is the vertical game…He always gets tired of the WCO guys and gets rid of them.
I would like to see Losman with Fassell calling the plays and coaching them up. With BUsh and DMAC, I think you would see improvement.
Scrap the ZBS and go back to smashmouth football and the offense gets back to where it should be.
REmember, Fassell knew how to get two running backs the football and throw it downfield
December 18th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
So THAT was the name of the offense my junior high football team ran…The Bay City!!!! Yep we had a Right Half back,Left Half back and a FB.And our cross town rivalry played the Delaware.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
THANKX 24!!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
GRUDEN AND GANNON ARE LINK’D FOREVER, GRUDEN BET HIS CAREER ON GANNON,WHEN HE BROUGHT HIM 2 OAKLAND, AND TO BOTH THERE CREDIT I GUESS. GANNON’S LAST FEW YRS WITH GRUDEN AND THE RAIDER’S WERE HIS BEST.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
SnB – You’re right…another thing to consider is that Kiffin didn’t want JR but he tried to develop him slowly to ensure that he would be ready when his chance came and if JR was doing then what he is doing now, you can see why Kiffin was fed up with the guy from the start. 3 years later and JR is still the same guy if not worse. Had Kiffin benched JR the way Cable has, Kiffin would be gone…well hes already gone.
Yes…Kiffin as very competitive in the games and had us beating the Broncos and the Chiefs again, which was something we were having difficulty doing for a few years.
The only reason Kiffin couldn’t hire Monte was because it conflicted with the ideas of Al Davis. How crappy is that?
December 18th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Keys to victory against the Broncos
Use DMAC on the slot along with screen plays.
Start Bush instead of Fargas. Play some shotgun formation on third downs and let Frye use his legs.
We should also see alot of two TE formation.
As far as the defense goes, I hope Asmough shadows Marshal that allows CJ to cover Gaffney, we should also blitz with MM, my main worries is their running game and if we force them to play one dimensional i dont think Orton can throw the deep passes and we should win with our man to man coverage. Our weakness right now is the offensive line, Walker in LG is really pathetic.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
The funny thing is…Gannon is 43 years old and Gruden is 46 years old. They were so close in age, I think thats why they butted heads so much. They were like best friends and when you hang around your best friend too much, you can’t help but bicker all the time.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
SnB….I am all for this competition that is brewing.Man the best man win.I just think Gradkowski will make less mistakes.I have seem Losman and Frye play but not recently.Football is weird and superstitious things are always going on it seems to me.I’m taking the guy from the Cradle of Quarterbacks
December 18th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Raiders4eve – The key to victory against the Broncos is the subtraction of Al Davis.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Raiders4eve,
You know Cable is not even going to play Bush. Cable loves the violent, no yards running style of Fargas.
DMAC will get 3 plays in the slot or screens or creative. The rest of his touches will dives up the middle.
Cable is a terrible coach and I really hope Davis makes the change.
December 18th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
go griz
December 18th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Redskins hire Bruce Allen as GM and are now talking to Mike Shanahan for coaching position.
As bad as Snyder is, at least he can attract competent candidates.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
SnB – Its not that Al Davis can’t attract people, they just realize they won’t have any power. It seems like a lot of people would love to coach the Raiders but Al stands in their way of making that final decision.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Al Davis drafted JaMarcus Russell despite Kiffin pleading for him not too!
Why? Because Davis doesn’t know football anymore.
He is a HORRIBLE GM!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Michael Bush not getting playing time is a CRIME!
Fire Tom Cable!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
In ALL of those Great Raider Teams of the past. They pounded the rock. POUNDED! Converted 3rd downs with Freddy B.
THEN they threw the long ball.
Al Davis has become a caricture of himself, with that vertical obsession nonsense.
You gotta set that stuff up, Davis!!!!
Great Raider Teams of the 70’s
Rushing Rank
70′ #7
71′ #8
72′ #3
73′ #4
74′ #3
75′ #3
76′ #10
77′ #2
78′ #16
79′ #24
Conversely the last 7 yrs
03′ #16
04′ #32
05′ #29
06′ #29
07′ #6
08′ #10
09′ #21
December 18th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Lonetree, who cares is Kiffin was a prick? Whatever it takes to win. Kiffin tried as hard as he could to clean house, and he was gone, almost as fast as he was hired. Goes to show Al Davis’s patience these days for anyone running the Raiders other than him, and the odds that he’ll ever truly hire anyone to do so.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Davis drafted this fleet footed bust named Darius Heyward-Bey. The guy can’t even catch. What a freekn joke.
Russell and DHB on the same team.
How do you do that?
Davis is a horrible GM!
I hope another billboard goes up!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
If Tom Cable is brought back….I hope that Davis trades Fargas to New England for a 6th round pick.
I like Fargas and all….but the only way that Cable doesn’t start the guy is if he’s not on the roster.
Fargas is a hard runner and all….but he is not a starter and he doesn’t not give starter production in yards, average yards per carry, touchdowns or receptions….he just has a couple of decent 7 yard runs a game and the rest is just crash.
If Fargas is going to get more than 5 carries a game…then get rid of DMAC.
Bush is the best running back on the team…its not even close….look at the stats
December 18th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I heard monte pool say in the radio that JR played well last year and that got him over his head. He started partying this offseason and really regressed coming in to camp. He also stated that its hard to point out to him that he needs to change cause he clearly thinks he was good last year. I also heard Steve Young say that JR good play last year was due to the fact that he just went out there and played with no expectations, he was a rookie and he just went out there and had his fun. This year, he had to learn the scheme, watch the film, practice hard which he clearly doesnt want to do. Work ethic is the problem everyone notices about JR, he is just not dedicated to work hard and succeed. I think AL gets it now. MR add me to the list of $100 that JR wont be the starting QB next year.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Al Davis drafted JaMarcus Russell despite Kiffin pleading for him not too!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
It’s too bad it took a significant number of Raider fans this long to realize we can’t win with Al. The writing has been on the wall since ‘04, when Al Davis hired Norv Turner, an obvious puppet and an opposite of Gruden personality wise. His hiring of Turner essentially proved that he drove Gruden out of town, and that control is a bigger priority for him than winning. Really, the Gruden trade was bizarre enough and enough writing on the wall for anyone with a little street smarts to know that doom was inevitable for this franchise (Bruce Allen). But you can’t argue with a Super Bowl appearance, so I don’t blame anyone for holding on to their faith for a couple of more years. But hiring Turner, the antithesis of Gruden? That was it. But no, it’s not until years later, when Al stubbornly sticks with an awful black quarterback, for fans to get the message. Joking…
December 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Raiders4eve,
There were behind the scenes things that most, including me, took for granted. Many assumed Russell was working hard, doing the things necessary….Cable and Davis had no business starting him if he was that far behind in camp. Should have started Garcia or Gradkowski if Russell was overweight, lacking knowledge of the playbook etc…
Also, did the INCOMPETENT owner bother to interview him at the combine.
I am starting to hate this team. They can’t do anything right.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
My reasons why JR will get cut is not cause AL doesnt believe in him, he just wont have the money to franchise Seymour and resign some players plus sign the draft picks. Revenue sharing is going down next year, with no fans attending the games, how can AL sign some players if 9 mill is going to JR?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/16/special-master-case-coming-over-supplemental-revenue-sharing/
Special master case coming over supplemental revenue sharing
Posted by Mike Florio on December 16, 2009 1:24 PM ET
The NFL plans to end supplemental revenue sharing after the 2009 league year.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
MR
Why do you think JR will be starting QB next year unless he restructures his contract? How will AL pay him, sign the draft picks plus franchise Seymour and resign or sign free agents with no revenue sharing and no ticket sales?
December 18th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Without welfare Al Davis is in a jam.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Al will always find ways to spend money on players. If he wants Russell to stay, Russell will stay. I don’t ever see Al giving up on Russell, and money would be the last thing that he’d do it for.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Without welfare, there is no Raiders.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Raiders4eve,
I wouldn’t put it past Davis to force feed Russell into the starting lineup.
Davis and Cable wasted this entire year playing a kid that wasn’t prepared coming out of training camp.
What a joke!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
SnB
Things will have to change and I think AL will be forced to do some changes just like the tyrant Redskin owner did in hiring Bruce Allen, without revenue sharing, AL is done. End of the day he is an owner and a business man. He is been bossy cause he was losing the NFLs money not all of his, now with no revenue sharing, he has to put a good product right there, he knows no fans will show up if JR is his starting QB, I think he will resign Grad and Losman, fire Cable and hire maybe Fassel or Gilbride, who knows he might also get a GM. I would really want a guy like Mike Mayock, that guy is a good talent evaluator and player personal.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Raiders4eve, you make the assumption that Al Davis will prioritize franchising Seymour and signing free agents over keeping Russell. Al drafted Russell number one to spite Kiffin. He and Kiffin are still horn locked, right now in arbitration and there could be a lawsuit. Russell was the wild card in their beef. The minute Al Davis gives up on Russell, Kiffin gets the huge moral victory in the whole matter, even if Al wins the legal battle. Your assumption that Davis will prioritize franchise tags and free agency over keeping Russell must be wishful thinking.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Raiders4eve, sounds like a lot of wishful thinking coming from you, regarding your points about Al. It seems like you’re combining what you think he’ll do with what you want him to do.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Bob Nelson says:
December 16, 2009 1:32 PM
It is about time that the low revenue teams start paying their own way. This was a silly program to even begin.
The same NFL revenue bottom feeders are there year after year and it is their own fault they are not pulling their financial weight.
It isn’t fair that Green Bay and Kansas City have to give their hard earned revenue to freeloaders like the vikings and Raiders.
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Ouch
December 18th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Fantasy Football Question…
Start Phillip Rivers or Jason Campbell?
December 18th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Without welfare Al Davis is in a jam.
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No doubt. All sports owners, really, when you consider cities paying for stadiums, etc. Just another example of corporate welfare. But Al is the worst considering the Raiders probably wouldn’t exist anymore if not for profit sharing. Real display of self reliance by Al Davis. I’m sure some of those right wing trolls who come in here and attack Al’s critics are proud…
December 18th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Without welfare Davis can’t continue to give the fans the finger.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Al will always find ways to spend money on players. If he wants Russell to stay, Russell will stay. I don’t ever see Al giving up on Russell, and money would be the last thing that he’d do it for.
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I disagree with you. AL had to sell shares to spend big on 2008 free agency. He has to fulfill alot of obligations from the NFL, minority owners, promotors, city of Oakland, etc. I just dont see in any means and any way that he would force JR knowing he would lose everybody including his players who clearly cant stand playing with this guy. There is a reason he is benched and Frye starting, that wasnt Cables call as you know it was AL. AL is a business man, if JR is bad business he wont keep him, I put down $100 which I will clearly win in summer 2010, make sure you get cash I dont accept a money orders lol. JK
December 18th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Raiders4eve, sounds like a lot of wishful thinking coming from you, regarding your points about Al. It seems like you’re combining what you think he’ll do with what you want him to do.
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No sir, its called logic and business 101. No revenue sharing, you need to sell tickets, JR doesnt, Grad does simple math my friend.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
The way Peter King explained it, the supplemental revenue, for those crappy teams 6-7 teams that receive it (like the Raiders), makes up only 5-10% of a teams’s “revenue”, even less when you think of the “profit” of it.
So no doubt it will hurt these teams that receive it, calling it welfare wouldn’t be fair. Al, and the other owners, gets 90+% of there revenues elsewhere.
Stil doesn’t help though!!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
When it comes to NFL profit sharing, publicly funded stadiums, etc., the NFL owners are like a bunch of 30 and 40 something year old siblings still living with their mom. Jerry Jones is the one with the good job and could move out, but just doesn’t want to. Al Davis is the one who watches t.v. all day, eats cheese puffs, and screams at mom whenever she asks him to do chores.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Without welfare Davis can’t continue to give the fans the finger.
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AL is not dumb, he saw what happened against the Redskins, players gave up on the second half. The score was 17-10 in the half. Everyone hates JR, fans, media, players, coaches, promotors, minority owners, NFL, i just dont see in a shape of form all raising his middle finger knowing he would lose another year with JR. AL wants to win and he wants to make money also. JR is bad business.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I think a new coach is imperative too. As is a new GM.
Raider fanbase is irate and has become very knowledgeable about what is wrong here. No one token hire is going to bring the fans back at this point.
Jersey and clothing sales have to be non-existant…what jersey would generate any sales today…maybe Asomugha
Davis is going to have to sell more pieces of the team and probably either move the team to L.A or hope to bunk with the 49ers in their new digs
December 18th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Fire Cable!
Did you all know that Al Davis forced Russell into the lineup during training camp?
December 18th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
One or two weekends of 30K in the seats hurts a helluva lot more than no supplemental revenue sharing.
Think of it. 30,000 at say $50 a ticket, that’s a millie and a half right there. Throw in a parking and concessions, and the subsequent decline in corporate sponsorship and suites, that is the team’s death nail. They probably didn’t even receive the supplemental revenue in the Gruden and SB years.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
vegas raider Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
The way Peter King explained it, the supplemental revenue, for those crappy teams 6-7 teams that receive it (like the Raiders), makes up only 5-10% of a teams’s “revenue”, even less when you think of the “profit” of it.
So no doubt it will hurt these teams that receive it, calling it welfare wouldn’t be fair. Al, and the other owners, gets 90+% of there revenues elsewhere.
Stil doesn’t help though!!
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Can you provide the link? I dont think it works that way. You see the NFL signed a huge contract with TV stations, Raiders being blackout all year except for two games i think. With no Tv, no fans ticket, no revenue sharing money, AL is going to be broke and forced to sell the team with in couple of years. I think revenue sharing is close to 30 to 40% of what AL gets.
December 18th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
R8eray,
Did you get down on the Mavs tonight? I got them at only -5.
Go Dirk!!!
December 18th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Raiders4eve,
This is “supplemental revenue sharing”.
Basically every body gets their share of total TV revenue, and than the crap markets get some “Supplemental” revenue on top of it some way or another.
Look at the pft link in #211, they are talking around $100-200 million, which gets split amonst a handful of teams.
The NFL TV revenue is way into the billions. Every team will still get plenty of TV revenue. Only Al Davis will no longer get that extra check at the end for sucking so bad. Actually when you think of it, sounds like a socialistic program and although it won’t help the team, I support removing it.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
The player salaries all come from the T.V money. So Davis doesn’t really “pay” any money for the players.
Now, he could pay the floor of the cap or somewhere in between and pocket the money.
The team makes most of its money from its local radio programs, ticket and suite sales, and any local marketing initiatives.
Davis is going to be out another $5 to $10 million from revenue sharing.
That will hurt for a franchise that is in the red or barely in the black.
But then again, Davis doesn’t care about profitability as much as other owners. Plus he doesn’t pay coaches and doesn’t really have a full front office and scouting operation.
I hope Davis is forced to change as a result of his baffoonery
December 18th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Since our team sucks and should keep sucking for some years, we need a good talent evaluator. There are few top in the business. Mike Mayock is very good at evaluating football talent. He not only knows about the players but he also knows which system they would fit best in. I wish AL hires him as player personal or head of the scout team. Al doesnt watch films, he goes to the combine to see track players not football players. Every week we hear many analyst say the Raiders have fast player but can they play football, we need a guy like Mayock who can tell AL who is fast but can still play, instead of get DHB we could have had Hakeem Nicks.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
No salary cap, less shared funding, blackouts………
Davis will be forced to compete.
Vegas, you’re against socialism, no?
December 18th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Raiders4eve, since when has Al Davis been concerned about selling tickets? I know what your saying is common business sense. What I’m calling wishful thinking is your assumption that Al Davis has any. He doesn’t. As Kell’s been pointing out all day today, without profit sharing, Davis is dead. Al can’t run a business or a football team. He’s crazy. And he thinks Russell is great. Get over it.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
This is a much more in-depth analysis of it. Florio says it is a non-issue, the teams slated for it in 2010 will still get it.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-12-09/nixing-revenue-sharing-won-t-impact-players-2010
December 18th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
I gotta believe Mayock makes a comfortable living for the NFL Network.
Also, Davis would have to LISTEN to Mayock’s recommendation.
No scout worth his salt would have suggested that DHB was a top 10 pick.
Davis just picks them based on his instincts
December 18th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Vegas
why is Atlanta vs the Jets a no line in Vegas?
December 18th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Raiders4eve, you know the game and you’re making excellent points. What’s puzzling is your assumption that Al Davis has a grasp on any of what you’re saying. Because in the past 7 years, really the last decade when you consider how he’s bungled the whole Gruden situation, he’s shown no sign of it.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Vegas
Davis sold shares in 06′
He looking to see more shares.
The Raiders lost money last year.
Quit the bs, he’s short of money.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
think we all know an al davis type. a maverick with lots of pizazz, but as is the case with them, very stubborn. at this point in his life, al is still all these things but his man-to-man and 7 step drop offense is no longer “maverick,” just plain dumb. i forget which qb it was but he said preparing against the raiders was easy. they only play one defense. and sooner or later, coaches are smart, they will find a play to break one open, as is the case with our defense–big plays.
remember the 1st denver game this season….various crossing routes destroyed our D. McDaniels is no slouch…expect the same this week: outcoaching our coach.
UNLESS FRYE BRINGS US A WIN! WOOOOOOO
CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARLIEEEE
December 18th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
This defense of Al Davis where people say “Al’s not crazy”, or “Al hasn’t lost it completely”? That window closed. It closed the minute Herrera rolled out the overhead projector.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Kell, I’m not going to speak for Vegas. But regarding a lot of people who claim to be against socialism, they really only have a problem with poor people and minorities receiving money. They don’t care how much money goes to the rich. They say they do, but they don’t. And, again, I’m not referring to you, Vegas. You can answer his question yourself.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
CHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARLIEEEEEE
December 18th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Raiders4eve, since when has Al Davis been concerned about selling tickets? I know what your saying is common business sense. What I’m calling wishful thinking is your assumption that Al Davis has any. He doesn’t. As Kell’s been pointing out all day today, without profit sharing, Davis is dead. Al can’t run a business or a football team. He’s crazy. And he thinks Russell is great. Get over it.
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Al is always concerned about selling and wining. AL is not like the Pittsburgh Pirates, he cares about proving everyone wrong true, but he knows he needs to prove everyone wrong he needs to see his team wining and selling out home games. He is obligated to his minority owners, fans, corporate sponsors, city of Oakland, etc. Now, you making it seem that AL is just plain stupid and dumb, dude is smart but his problem is that he is an arrogant. He wont change his belief as an old man. Meaning vertical passing and man to man coverage will always be there as long as Al rules the Raiderland, but letting JR go is a fact he will get over it. He left LA cause he was losing money, he cant afford more top 10 first round picks, he is already paying DHB, DMAC and JR a combined 80 mill. Another thing which proves my point, Al traded DeAngelo Hall even though he payed him $8 mill and gave up a secound round. He benched Walker who he payed him alot of money. When he sees he is wrong about a player AL delivers what needs to be done. Thats why I think JR is not gonna be a starter next year. Now you explain to me how can AL alienate his players, fans, minority owners, NFL, Sponsers, City of Oakland, etc for JR sake?
December 18th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
@The RealMadden:
think you are right. mcdonald said it right in his live chat. if next year is uncapped, they can drop Duhmarcus Ruffles without any financial hit, except for what theyve already guaranteed him. in other words, they wont have to pay millions of dollars for essentially a bench player. my prediction: they will keep him in camp, see if he turns it around; if not, drop him before they need to pay him.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Socialism is the essence of human life. It is the base of humanity, even if we go back in history, every great empire operated under a socialist system. The Roman empire conquered many lands and established a socialist system where they ruled the land but they provided for those people. Arabians did to in Spain and North Africa. Europeans still operate under socialist system. So why would someone be against socialism, cause capitalism is the survival of teh fittest, those who believe in this system believe that they have the strength to succeed. Every system has its pros and cons, it just depends on how do you see yourself.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I know MR, they just don’t want minorities to get anything, thereby maintaining their privilege.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Vegas,
Al Davis is on NFL welfare, yet leads the league in salaries.
You don’t believe welfare Queens should drive Cadillacs, do you?
December 18th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
December 18th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Vegas
Davis sold shares in 06′
He looking to see more shares.
The Raiders lost money last year.
Quit the bs, he’s short of money
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I never said he wasn’t.
Read #231, that’s the bigger issue. And read Florio’s article, he says it is a “non-issue” and the two teams he brings up as examples of teams receiving supplemental revenue are…..Vikings and Bengals!! Two of the best teams in the league!!!
Stupid rule, get rid of it. I always try to look at it as the guy signing the front of the check not the back. Why should they pay for Al Davis to run amock?
December 18th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
socialism – capitalism. think you guys are simplifying the terms. both systems include each other, in some fashion. these words are used just to divide people. you got your cuban socialism, your n korean one, and your chinese socialism–then you have the u.s. which can be defined as socialism, even when republicans get their way, if you consider that revenue is shared with the poor…its better to talk about things issue by issue without assigning things with these larger abstract systems…
i wouldnt describe the nfl as socialist. its a completely different game. they need to give support to poorer teams or youd get a ten-team league. they also need/want to create some parity.
in the case of the oakland raiders, this has given al davis a safety net. without it, his empty pockets will override his pride and arrogance; hence, his desire to sell a part of the team.
i am beginning to think with the last decade of al’s failed experiments, the utter failure of his vision, the “message to al billboard”, and the empty stadiums, booing of duhmarcus, AL HAS TO BEGIN TO REALIZE HE AINT GOT IT NO MORE.
or so I hope…
December 18th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
All I said was that “supplemental revenue” in the NFL was a socialistic program, which it is. They take a little from the very top and give it to the very bottom. I don’t support that.
Call it what you will.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
i am beginning to think with the last decade of al’s failed experiments, the utter failure of his vision, the “message to al billboard”, and the empty stadiums, booing of duhmarcus, AL HAS TO BEGIN TO REALIZE HE AINT GOT IT NO MORE.
or so I hope…
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Totally agree, that dog just won’t hunt anymore. These blackouts just drive that home.
Without clear, public, credible change this off-season, the Home opener will be blacked out too.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Vegas
why is Atlanta vs the Jets a no line in Vegas?
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sorry it took awhile.
Sanchez and Ryan are both questionable I think. Probably won’t be a line until Sunday morning if at all.
December 18th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
oh i forgot the issue of coaching…al’s failed in every way…its beginning to turn on him
remember when he hired Art Shell the second time? coaches were bailing on him. didnt even want to interview. nobody qualified wanted to even interview. then you get kiffin. a young buck who just needed a shot. then he’s gone. not even a young buck will consider the raiders job. few years ago Al wanted SEAN PAYTON. Sean Payton thought about it, but then declined.
THIS IS ALL CATCHIN UP TO AL. THERES NO WHERE TO TURN NOW. HIRING FASSEL OR GILBRIDE WILL BE MET WITH REVOLT. THERES ONLY ONE OPTION THATLL BRING FANS, MONEY, AND WINS.
SUCK IT UP AL, PAY THE MONEY, GIVE UP SOME POWER (letting a coach pick his own coaches?? are you serious?): SIGN JOHN GRUDEN
December 18th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Without clear, public, credible change this off-season, the Home opener will be blacked out too.
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I agree, but even if it doesn’t sell out, there won’t be 30K at the home opener.
Not much credible change last year at all and the home opener was rocking.
No Russell would probably do the trick.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Blackouts hurt the league regardless of how many show up.
Not Bruce Gradkowski, Flashy FA signing is going to fool the fans into buying season-tickets.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Gruden2010
I disagree with you. AL Davis will drop JR, sign Grad hire a new coach and the fans will be back especially if we get a good player on top 10 draft pick. He will hire a guy like fassel and sign Losman to compete with Grad and fans will show up especially in the first game. Fans will stop showing up when we start losing not when we starting the season.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Speights came back for the philly and they won against the Celtics in their home, thats the power of one player right there.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Russell was his last hope of tricking fans with his usual off-season dog n’ pony show.
The Raider Nation has NEVER question him like they are now.
No, that bs is over, Vegas.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Blackouts hurt the league regardless of how many show up.
Not Bruce Gradkowski, Flashy FA signing is going to fool the fans into buying season-tickets.
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I agree, especially if we get TO as our starting Wide Receiver.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Russell was his last hope of tricking fans with his usual off-season dog n’ pony show.
The Raider Nation has NEVER challenged him like they are now.
No, that bs is over, Vegas, 4eva. Done.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
i think fans are wising up. fans realize a big trade like richard seymour doesn’t equate to wins. a ‘run-stuffer’ like richard seymour doesnt help our run d, which begs the question–if theres no improvement, then what is it??
DUN DUN DUN–nmandi said it best. man-to-man works well at times but is vulnerable to big plays. so predictable and can scheme against it easily. blame al.
as for what the fans will do?
yes, i believe fans have abandoned JR and I dont see that changing unless duhmarcus comes in 30 pounds lighter and everyone is just shocked by his new mobility, quick feet, quick release, matched with his rocket arm—but we got that now with JP LOSMAN.
there was some hope coming into the season, even i had some, that cable and JR could at least be competitive. now JR is done. do we believe cable with Brad will equal wins? ah, brads injury hurts. if he couldve pulled of some more wins this season, things might be a little different.
but i dont see any optimism with this tandem beginning next year. just looking like an NFL team isn’t enough. and that is the ceiling i see with cable. he’s not an x’s and o’s guy. and his o-line sucks and he keeps tellin us cornell green’s played awesome and begged al to resign the RG whose name escapes me. and plays fargas cause he’s got ‘fire’ but cant seem to get dmac any creative runs or plays, save for last week when he put him in the slot? DUH!
December 18th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
All it takes is signing Losman and Grad to compete against each other, cut Jr, sign TO a big name to fool some fans, hire Fassel or Gilbride, resign Seymour, start wining in Preseason, draft some OL and a solid DT and with these small changes fans will be coming back at least for the first game and if we win then u will see them coming again.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
All I know is when I watch the games at home, and I see the place half empty at kickoff, it makes me sick to my stomach.
I went to just about every game from 99-03. Sat on Mt. Davis most of the time, and it was packed with season ticket holders, knew lots of guys around us. I bet that ship has sailed.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
lets see what happens the rest of the season now that the anchor is out of the picture.if we win 2 more games(not likely but not impossible) we will be 4-2 in games the anchor didn’t play the majority of the game.everything would have to be re-evaluated-coaching,so called weaknesses-everything.
December 18th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
@raiders4eve:
i actually dont mind Losman and Grad competing and all the other moves, except for Fassel—Gilbride might pass just cause nobody knows what he might do–all the things you mentioned will bring back some fans–but with these second-rate coaches that nobody else would hire and the same ol same ol as far as schemes–any mediocrity from the raiders and you will see the fans turn quicker on the raiders than they have at any time before. quicker than they turned on JR–quicker than they turned on Obama. take, for instance, my brother who was a life-long raiders fan, going back to jeff hostetler days–which isnt even far back…watched every game even of the horrible art shell season…didnt know why…he couldnt give up…now….he’s GONE and theres no magic bullet to turn it all around…
except for…DUN DUN DUN READ THE NAME. Gruden= confidence=money in the bank= fans= wins
December 18th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Kell, I’m not going to speak for Vegas. But regarding a lot of people who claim to be against socialism, they really only have a problem with poor people and minorities receiving money. They don’t care how much money goes to the rich. They say they do, but they don’t. And, again, I’m not referring to you, Vegas. You can answer his question yourself.
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What the?
December 18th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
You can vring in whatever head coach you want. If Mr. Davis is still the GM, it wont matter season will be lost…….
December 18th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Monster storm here in Va.
December 18th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Need to restructure the org…..
New building
New GM
Player Personnel Dept pro and college
Real HC
Raal OCO
Draft for both sides of the trench,and lb’s
No more forty time track dhb project guys….
December 18th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Kirk, you safe Bruh?
December 18th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Man,that is a huge store covering several states….
December 18th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Yes, I am lucky.
I live close to the ocean, and here it is just rain.
I wish I lived in Sweden though.
I just love blondes.
December 18th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Jerry
Do you have the nerve to ask Al Davis how he justifies keeping his job as General Manager with the record he’s produced over the last 7 years?
December 18th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
KK, great question.
Why don’t you email all of the local reporters, and ask them to ask Al that question?
December 18th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Ok
December 18th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
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December 18th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
# Raiders4eve Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Gruden2010
I disagree with you. AL Davis will drop JR, sign Grad hire a new coach and the fans will be back especially if we get a good player on top 10 draft pick. He will hire a guy like fassel and sign Losman to compete with Grad and fans will show up especially in the first game. Fans will stop showing up when we start losing not when we starting the season.
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Heck no! The fans will not buy a Fassel/Losman tandem!
I think most sensible fans of the Nation, are fed up with Al Davis and his idiocy! Hence, why there has only been 1 sellout this year and that was the first game versus the Dolts.
I mean how STUPID is Al Davis seriously?
All the old man has to do is talk to Holmgren and Gruden and say you two will make the football decisions and hire or fire any coaches you want. Thats it….it’s simple….but to the MORON old man Al it’s rocket science and sooooooo freakin difficult for his dumb ego. He would rather be an embarassing loser instead of giving his team a legit chance at being competitive and good again??
Hiring those two WINNERS would be a SMART football and business decision. It would be a great marketing move and season ticket sales would shoot through the freakin roof!
Al Davis is an IDIOT!
December 18th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
# gruden2010 Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
@raiders4eve:
i actually dont mind Losman and Grad competing and all the other moves, except for Fassel—Gilbride might pass just cause nobody knows what he might do–all the things you mentioned will bring back some fans–but with these second-rate coaches that nobody else would hire and the same ol same ol as far as schemes–any mediocrity from the raiders and you will see the fans turn quicker on the raiders than they have at any time before. quicker than they turned on JR–quicker than they turned on Obama. take, for instance, my brother who was a life-long raiders fan, going back to jeff hostetler days–which isnt even far back…watched every game even of the horrible art shell season…didnt know why…he couldnt give up…now….he’s GONE and theres no magic bullet to turn it all around…
except for…DUN DUN DUN READ THE NAME. Gruden= confidence=money in the bank= fans= wins
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EXACTLY!!
December 19th, 2009 at 12:03 am
I think AD will cut his losses and release Russell. He tried to bring in players (seymour, ellis), and I dont think he wants to pass away leaving the team the way it is. I think there will be some changes for the better IMO
December 19th, 2009 at 12:08 am
# TonyTwizz Says:
December 19th, 2009 at 12:03 am
I think AD will cut his losses and release Russell. He tried to bring in players (seymour, ellis), and I dont think he wants to pass away leaving the team the way it is. I think there will be some changes for the better IMO
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There may be changes…..but the type of changes he will make won’t be enough.
December 19th, 2009 at 1:07 am
Yeah Knight,its a real mess. I hope the Old Man gets some help, like a real GM, for starters. No, actually cutting the dead weight would really give me hope…
December 19th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Tony, as a Raider fan, you should have learned long ago not to expect Al to do what you wish he would do. I really believe Russell’s going to be here until he’s 30. JaMarcus Tuiasosopo. That’s my new name for him.
December 19th, 2009 at 2:03 am
Raiders4eve Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Al is always concerned about selling and wining.
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I don’t see it. Sorry.
December 19th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Yea as much as I hate to agree with you trmr i have to. Knowing als history and way of thinking, it would be just like him to do the wrong thing and keep jawalrus until his td int ratio reaches 16-72 lol.smh
December 19th, 2009 at 3:33 am
Morning Nation!!!!
December 19th, 2009 at 3:51 am
KoolKell Says:
December 18th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Russell was his last hope of tricking fans with his usual off-season dog n’ pony show.
The Raider Nation has NEVER challenged him like they are now.
No, that bs is over, Vegas, 4eva. Done.
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Why is Big Al trying to trick us.And with this said trickery,what is he trying to accomplish?
December 19th, 2009 at 4:10 am
Tomorrow will be McFadden best game. We need to play him a lot this last 3 games to really see what he can do if not injured.
December 19th, 2009 at 4:13 am
I hate the Donkies
December 19th, 2009 at 4:40 am
El Tato….I do not like the Denver Broncos either.I lost a bet to Happy Troll and I MUST treat the Denver Broncos respectfully,that was the bet.But the bet is over tommorrow AFTER the game,that is unless I want to bet Happy Troll again.If Gradkowski was playing I would make the same bet because then Happy Troll would have to treat the Oakland Raiders with respect and that means NO derogatory names.
Man I cant wait for tommorrow
December 19th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Who knows maybe we find down the road the kinds sucked in La and that California purple got to Russell.
December 19th, 2009 at 5:43 am
there is purple everywhere BlackSunday32.Canada and Amsterdam have seen to that =)
December 19th, 2009 at 6:30 am
A good morning to the AM crew.
December 19th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
I hate the donkey’s!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHa71AFBGoE&eurl=http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/TroyIlium/150557
December 19th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Thankx Exla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
morning Neilb!!!!
December 19th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Yeah….there’s something about the donkeys that pi$$ me off.Don’t know what it is.Mister Ed at QB,those awful orange uniforms or that they’re just a bunch of kn0bs….
December 19th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Morning 4evaRaider. Snowing here lol
December 19th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Here’s something to brighten everyones morning:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related
December 19th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Morning 4eva and Exla.
I was going to ask if everyone was okay.Weather reports over here are saying you’re getting heavy snow storms.
December 19th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Just light snow here but to the east omg
December 19th, 2009 at 6:44 am
From better days:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmiVYFueNvQ&feature=related
December 19th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Prolly gonna be 78 here today Neilb
December 19th, 2009 at 6:48 am
We’ve got a light covering over here – a lot of lower league football games have been called off.
4eva….you lucky so-and-so!!!
December 19th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Man that hit that Tatum put on Earl Campbell,I fely it!!!!!.And Earl Campbell was EXTREMELY hard to bring down.Campbell sure woulda looked good in Silver and Black,imo
December 19th, 2009 at 6:50 am
fely lol
December 19th, 2009 at 6:51 am
I pay for it in July and August Neilb
December 19th, 2009 at 6:56 am
On Saturday mornings they show “America’s Game” on tv.This morning was the ‘75 Steelers.I don’t like the Steelers but I love football – so I watched it.
Enjoyed the hit that George Atkinson put on Lynn Swann.Enjoyed even more Swann whining ’bout it!!
December 19th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Too hot ? What temps do you get in those 2 months ?
December 19th, 2009 at 7:01 am
98 degrees and 80% humidity,it miserable but its GREAT now =)
December 19th, 2009 at 7:02 am
I love Atkinson killing Swan Steelers cry and they show all the dirty hit the Steelers put on other teams just didn’t like it done to them.”Lynn Swann, He’s Soft”!
December 19th, 2009 at 7:04 am
so is hines ward
December 19th, 2009 at 7:11 am
4eva…
don’t think I’ve ever had temps up to 98 degrees!!
December 19th, 2009 at 7:14 am
It’s nice Neilb.you should try it sometimes.110 degrees in Calli is more comfortable than 95 plus high humidity here in floritucky =)
December 19th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Swann,what a crybaby.He actually said on camera that it was a legal hit but then he whined on and on about it.Can’t believe this soft sh!te is in the HoF.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Maybe one day 4eva.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:23 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
December 19th, 2009 at 7:14 am
It’s nice Neilb.you should try it sometimes.110 degrees in Calli is more comfortable than 95 plus high humidity here in floritucky =)
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LOL! I know what you are going through. Here in East Texas we get 102 in the Summer months with 90% humidity and higher.
You sweat just thinking about going outside.
Been nice lately though. Had highs of 55 and low 40s at night.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:27 am
In Iowa we get the 102 with 98% humidity AND -30 in the winter, aren’t we the bright ones.
“The hardships of this land are as nothing to us.”
December 19th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Nothing so extreme where I live.Close to the coast so it’s mild winters and warm summers.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:38 am
well then LOOK who’s talkin Neilb,that sounds REAL NICE
December 19th, 2009 at 7:42 am
It does doesn’t it ? Don’t know why we don’t have more tourists!!
I actually like the autumn over here.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Really? what is your low winter temerature in NE Eangland then?
December 19th, 2009 at 7:53 am
ENgland sorry
December 19th, 2009 at 7:55 am
I would say no lower than about -10.Might get a bad week when it goes below that.
December 19th, 2009 at 7:56 am
4evaRaider, why bother discussing anything with RMR or KK. Both repeat the same things, over and over.
December 19th, 2009 at 8:01 am
That time again….
Off for my dinner,enjoy your Saturday my friends…
December 19th, 2009 at 8:01 am
# neilb Says:
December 19th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Swann,what a crybaby.He actually said on camera that it was a legal hit but then he whined on and on about it.Can’t believe this soft sh!te is in the HoF.
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I guess Steeler fan doesn’t want to acknowledge all the kicking, fighting, gouging and cheap shots by Lambert and that whole crew during their heyday!
December 19th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Was it just me, or did I see a lot of #2 jerseys turned around backwards during the Redskins game? The Great JaMarcus Mutiny is ON!
December 19th, 2009 at 8:11 am
CaptainBlack….
MR and KoolKell very good and knowledgeable posters,imo.When they are not beating horses’ to death they are VERY PASSIONATE about the Raiders.We all have differing views and all must be taken into account,imo.True we ALL have tendencies we dont like about other posters but I’ve learned its nothing personal.And they love the Raiders
richochet is of a whole different whatever he/she is,imo
p.s. And that MR is a funny mutha phucka,imo
December 19th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Here the FACTS! WITHOUT THE NICKNAMES
1. AL DAVIS drafted JaMarcus Russell
2. Russell showed up to camp out of shape, skipped OTAs and didn’t have command of the playbook…this was all DURING TRAINING CAMP
3. AL DAVIS and TOM CABLE forced Russell into the lineup anyway
I blame Davis 100% for this mess….Russell is unqualified for the job of QB…but I don’t blame the unqualified…I blame the managers that put the guy in the position to begin with.
December 19th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Do you think Tomlin, Belicheck, Harbaugh, Reid, Coughlin, Turner, Payton, Caldwell and their team’s respective Owners…
WOULD LET A YOUNG QB WHO SHOWED UP OVERWEIGHT, SKIPPED OTAs, DIDN’T KNOW THE PLAYBOOK, COULDN’T HIT HIS PASSES, AND WAS INDIFFERENT PLAY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE WAS A BETTER OPTION ON THE BENCH?
The answer to the above, especially the part in CAPS, gets to the root freekn cause of why our Raider franchise is among the ABSOLUTE WORST in professional sports!
Al Davis drafted JaMarcus Russell!
December 19th, 2009 at 8:24 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Here the FACTS! WITHOUT THE NICKNAMES
1. AL DAVIS drafted JaMarcus Russell
2. Russell showed up to camp out of shape, skipped OTAs and didn’t have command of the playbook…this was all DURING TRAINING CAMP
3. AL DAVIS and TOM CABLE forced Russell into the lineup anyway
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I smell a “for cause” in there if you wanna look at it that way SnB lol
December 19th, 2009 at 8:30 am
SnB,
of course, it’s Al Davis. He takes it to the top and he pulls it down. We gotta live with the mad man for good and bad. Hopefully the Russell saga has ended.
December 19th, 2009 at 9:03 am
The Russell era has ended. No need for cause. AD finally saw how bad he was in the 2nd half of the ’skins game.
For laughs:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvzqMYR9Wzw
December 19th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Why did Al Davis throw away the entire season to support a QB that 2wasn’t even prepared to play?
Why would Davis foster an environment where a player could even think like JaRyan Russell did?
I am so sick and tired of this B.S!
December 19th, 2009 at 9:56 am
O Mock Draft 1.0:
1- MLB R McClain ( Suh will not be available)
2- DE Carlos Dunlap ( move Seymour to DT)
3- DT Mike Neal
3- RT Sam Young or Kyle Calloway
4- CB Walter Thurmond, Syd Thompson,B Ghee, Patrick Stoudamire, Omar Bolden, or Leroy Vann.
5- OG Thomas Austin, or Jon Asamoah
5- CB, OL, DL, or LB
6- FB Cory Jackson
7- CB, OL, DL, or LB
No Ss, WRs, RBs, TEs, or a QB! We can get help at WR, QB, and other positions in FA.
Cut Warren, Walker, TK if he doesn’t take a pay cut, Green, Cooper, Sam Williams, Euk if he doesn’t take a huge pay cut ( 2.5 mil to play STs only!!), and Fargas!
December 19th, 2009 at 10:09 am
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December 19th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Would a logical, sensible draft be asking too much from AD…? He has to know he’s running out of time…
December 20th, 2009 at 11:19 am
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