Cable has support in locker room
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 20th, 2009 at 9:58 am in Oakland Raiders.
When Mike White was let go, the majority of players in the locker room merely shrugged their shoulders and moved on.
There was a procession of players who went to the office of Al Davis and campaigned for Joe Bugel, which everyone realized was a mistake the moment Bugel barricaded himself inside an office and later compared a last-second loss to the Chiefs (Elvis Grbac to Andre Rison) to the death of his mother.
Jon Gruden’s departure, despite the whole contact issue and persistent rumors, came as a shock because of the timing and the way it played out (traded for $8 million, two first-round picks, two second-round picks).
Bill Callahan? After the “Dumbest Team in America” line, the prevailing opinion was not to let the door hit him on the way out.
That begat Norv Turner, who was 9-23 years, and one look at Norv’s face was all you needed to know that he’d had enough.
Art Shell’s demise was celebrated by the one unit you’d think would have backed him to the hilt _ the offensive line.
By the time Lane Kiffin was fired, the locker room pulse was erratic and confused, because it was hard to know who was more at fault _ Kiffin, for orchestrating his way out after a difficult first off-season, or Davis, for waiting too long to end the charade.
Which brings us to Tom Cable.
Steve Corkran touched on it in his story today in Bay Area News Group Papers. If anything, Cable’s stormy off-field issues have only strengthened his hold on the locker room because of the way he’s dealt with it.
If Cable is eventually fired, a self-preservation mode of sorts will kick in because that’s what players do _ look out for their own interests and their families. But make no mistake, Cable easily has more support within the locker room as well as within the building than any coach since Gruden.
His problem is he doesn’t have the won-loss record to match, and he’s got three games left for a minimal upgrade in that area.
Starting today.
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December 20th, 2009 at 10:01 am
There can be only One
December 20th, 2009 at 10:03 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:03 am
I think our biggest problem is the revolving door policy of head coaches and the players trying to learn a diff, system year in and year out.When that ball is snapped its 100 mph out there and with all the system changes,any player can get confused at 100 mph.
So to stop the Ball-O-Confusion,I say no matter Cables record we must give him 1 more year,at least.Everybody says Cowher blah blah blah,well he didnt win it all for 12 years I think it was.12 YEARS.We will never win with all coaching carousel,imo.I hope Al finally see’s this
December 20th, 2009 at 10:04 am
It would be great if Nnamdi would shadow Marshall all day. I love it that the Broncos are the team we consistently upset once a year.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Release Russell.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:05 am
AND THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING…. TA-DA
THE PLAYERS LIKE CABLE
December 20th, 2009 at 10:05 am
schitcan the ZBS…
December 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
texguy Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Release Russell.
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for the balance of this season i would have him on special teams…
i would have him mowing rack-o-schit’s lawn…
i would have him clipping al davis’s toenails…
hell, paint them too…
December 20th, 2009 at 10:11 am
lmao!!!!!
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sh!t-can the ZBS PLEASE
December 20th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Our main problem (among many others) is that we have had 3 consecutive high first round busts. JaBustus, Heyward-Bey and McFadden have contibuted virtually nothing. Basically players, literally coming off the street, are outplaying these losers. Any team that has 87 million dollars tied up in three players who are contributing nothing to the team is going to be bad. We could cut all 3 of the these players with no impact on the field whatsoever. Of course Al Davis is the guy who drafted these players so his awful talent evaluating is to blame. Lets no even get into his failures attempting to have any success in free agency.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:19 am
here’s what i want to know…
why is Bush sitting on the bench???
at a minimum we should showcase him and then deal him…
December 20th, 2009 at 10:24 am
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Fassell will also run a real training camp and practice plays until the team gets it right.
Cable’s “Club Med” training camp was a DISASTER.
Cable’s insistence on playing Russell over Gradkowski or Frye despite Russell being overweight, lacking knowledge of the playbook, missing passes and being indifferent should get Cable fired alone!
At least Fassell knows how to coach QBs. With Fassell and Losman together…the offense will improve.
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Jim Fassel huh? Yeah….not very inspiring.
What has this stupid franchise run by and old stubborn, senile, egotistical man like Al come to?
Fassel might have been a good hire 6 years ago.
Fassel will turn out to be the next Norvall Turner.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:25 am
AL DAVIS SUCKS!!!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I agree Pete,it dosent matter if he fumbles or is out of breath anymore.If he has a stellar last 3 games we get extra picks hopefully
December 20th, 2009 at 10:31 am
MESSAGE TO SEASON TICKET HOLDERS:
For those of who have bought season tickets the past 5 years.
I implore all of you to tell your whacked season ticket rep, that you will renew ONLY when Al Davis hires a GM and or Jon Gruden as the head coach!
Ask them if Al Davis gives a rats a$$ about the fans of the Raider Nation also. The ticket rep will be silent for about 5 seconds or stutter and mumble out words to try to defend the old crazy looney old man!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:36 am
hey…the new head coaching puppet Cable has support of the players…..
hey!! what else is new? LOL
Ever since Gruden left it has been the same embarrassing crap over and over again with the dumb owner/gm/head of operations/head of scouting/wannabe evil emperor from star wars making STUPID, DUMB decisions that have RUINED this freakin franchise.
Hope Al Davis is proud of what he has done!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Joe Bugel had support as well.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Ok Snb…..Lets say Big Al fires or demotes Cable.Fassell is hired.We go 4-12 under Fassell,what would you do?
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Tom Cable has no idea how to develop these young players on offense. I don’t like the way he manages the roster and picks his starters.
If not for injury, Murphy would have been standing on the sidelines with JLH watching DHB drop balls all over the field.
Cable should be brought up on malpractice charges for the way he has iced Bush and underutilized McFadden.
Fassell will be able to evaluate talent a hell of a lot better than Cable.
Tom Cable deserves to be fired
December 20th, 2009 at 10:45 am
If the players really support Cable than go out and play like it no shrugging of the shoulders no wondering what happened go outta win 3 in a row than I believe till than nothing but more bs talk! JUST WIN BABY!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Of course Cable has support in the lockeroom.
Several players on that roster would be backups or out of the league if not for Cable’s adolation for mediocre production.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:47 am
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Ok Snb…..Lets say Big Al fires or demotes Cable.Fassell is hired.We go 4-12 under Fassell,what would you do?
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Tom Cable has no idea how to develop these young players on offense. I don’t like the way he manages the roster and picks his starters.
If not for injury, Murphy would have been standing on the sidelines with JLH watching DHB drop balls all over the field.
Cable should be brought up on malpractice charges for the way he has iced Bush and underutilized McFadden.
Fassell will be able to evaluate talent a hell of a lot better than Cable.
Tom Cable deserves to be fired
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Yeah well, Fassel will “deserve” to be fired as well after two years IF Al is making the DUMB decisions still.
Al Davis needs to FIRE HIMSELF!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:49 am
With Tom Cable next year….here’s what happens:
Bush, JLH are traded or cut
DHB starts while Murphy goes to the bench
Fargas continues his 60 yards per game performances
The ZBS with its sub-par talent continues on
The stupid playcalling continues
The clueless player evaluation continues
The “Club Med” training camp continues
GET CABLE OUT OF HERE!
I don’t care if he wins out…I’ve seen enough
December 20th, 2009 at 10:52 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I agree Pete,it dosent matter if he fumbles or is out of breath anymore.If he has a stellar last 3 games we get extra picks hopefully
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So we are left with Justin Fargas and his 60 yards per game?
That’s crazy!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Dknight007,
I recognize that the Raiders will never compete for a Conference Divisional Title with Al Davis in charge.
The only thing I want to see is this team compete week in and week out. All I want to see is a team that, while overmatched, is at least professional in how they play each week.
Jim Fassel is a former NFL coach that had success in a functional franchise. He may not get us to the playoffs….but I bet he can at least make late November and December somewhat meaningful.
Cable is a rank joke!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Also, with the QB situation very much in flux….I would rather see a new coach make the determination on who starts as the QB than Cable.
Cable makes too many decisions based on personality….I don’t like it…..We need someone who can evaluate the play and make a well-informed decision.
Anyone that can stand up there and rationalize how DHB should be on the field while Murphy sits…does not need to be a head coach.
And given the absolute disaster that is the offensive line…I don’t want him around for that either
December 20th, 2009 at 11:09 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:52 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I agree Pete,it dosent matter if he fumbles or is out of breath anymore.If he has a stellar last 3 games we get extra picks hopefully
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So we are left with Justin Fargas and his 60 yards per game?
That’s crazy!
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SnB… i don’t want ffargas to be our featured back…
i like Bush… i would not have drafted McTiptoe… BECAUSE we have Bush…
but how good is he sitting on the bench…
if we play him and trade him we get something…
if we sit him… he leaves in a year…
December 20th, 2009 at 11:11 am
fire the ZBS !!!
free the franchise !!!
send money to Pete !!!
uh… wait… don’t send money… wrong blog…
December 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Florida Pete,
Let’s hire a new coach with NFL experience. That coach will sort through this mess and recognize that Bush is the #1 running back on this team.
Trading Bush for some future busts is not the answer.
Fargas should be backing up and getting spot duty…period.
McFadden, well he’s here now. So the Raiders should use him. But make no mistake,
This team is at its best when Bush gets 15 to 20 carries.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Cable is clueless. So Bush asked for a breather after 5 carries in a row. Okay…isn’t that the point of having “three running backs?” Isn’t that the B.S Cable was selling us all year.
Fargas gets NO PRODUCTION! I don’t care how good he looks running into the line of scrimmage…there is no production.
And if there is a position that is all about production…its running back!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:19 am
The one constant in all of the scenarios is upgrading the Oline.
If Cable comes back, the oline needs to be upgraded.
If Grads comes back, the Oline needs to be upgraded.
If Russell comes back, the Oline REALLY needs to be upgraded.
If the ZBS comes back, we need to upgrade the Oline.
If we get a new GM, we need to upgrade the Oline.
If Al Davis no longer runs the team, we need to upgrade the Oline.
Upgrade the gawd damn Oline!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:21 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Florida Pete,
Let’s hire a new coach with NFL experience. That coach will sort through this mess and recognize that Bush is the #1 running back on this team.
Trading Bush for some future busts is not the answer.
Fargas should be backing up and getting spot duty…period.
McFadden, well he’s here now. So the Raiders should use him. But make no mistake,
This team is at its best when Bush gets 15 to 20 carries.
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it was actually 6 carries 36 yards…
so give him his 2 minutes of “me” time…
you’re right, he is our best running back…
but on the bench he has absolutely no value…
after next year he is a free agent…
hiring a real NFL head coach is the answer…
but only if Al let’s someone else (besides himself) be the GM…
December 20th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Florida Pete,
The closest to a “real NFL head coach” the Raiders are going to get is Jim Fassel. Period!
Is he the best guy? Nope. But at least he’s done it before at a high level and is competent.
Cable has no clue what he’s doing. I am convinced of that.
Fassel figured out a way to get Tiki Barber and Ron Dayne carries and did it with a downfield passing game and power running game. He will scrap the ZBS and get real lineman in here.
Will Fassel get us to the playoffs and beyond? Again nope….not with Al Davis running the house.,
But Fassell will not get blown out against the Jets one week and beat the Bengals the next…he won’t run Club Med in training camp…he won’t abandon promising young players for mysterious reasons.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Well the problem is who do you replace Cable with? Fassel doesn’t exactly inspire me and neither does Gilbride;beyond that the prospects aren’t promising…
I say give him another year and see if he can build on anything…..
December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I can find no justification for Fargas being the primary running back.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:35 am
raidermarty Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Well the problem is who do you replace Cable with? Fassel doesn’t exactly inspire me and neither does Gilbride;beyond that the prospects aren’t promising…
I say give him another year and see if he can build on anything…..
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What has he done right this year? The entire team, not just Russell, regressed badly this year. The running game is a disaster, the o-line is as bad as its ever been, and the team looks lost in some weeks.
The defense is still horrible against the run and one has to question whether Cable’s methods even gets the team prepared week in and week out.
I would rather take a chance with a coach that knows QBs and coaches an offense that is more aligned with the Owner’s wishes.
Playing 49er ball is not Raider football at the end of the day. We all know it. So stop fighting this and get Jim Fassell in here. Downfield passing, power running game and a much better talent evaluator than Tom Cable.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Johnnie Lee Higgins should have been playing more than he has been as a receiver.
JLH can catch the freekn ball.
Al DAvis jacked it up by drafting this DHB character
December 20th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Florida Pete,
mightn’t you wander up to Windermere to see if you can chat up El Tigre before his wife takes all his money – supposedly he’s a Raider fan, perhaps he can give the Raiders enough cash to cover the costs of cutting JRuss and hiring a good staff.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Was listening to Casserly on NFL Today show this mng. He mentioned Russell and his contract and even mentioned to possibility of teams being penalized for salary dumping in an uncapped year. No wasy the Players Association is going to let all these players contracts just be voided. They’ll concede something to avoid that.
Russell has an 18 million dollas cap # next year if they cut him.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Dknight007,
I recognize that the Raiders will never compete for a Conference Divisional Title with Al Davis in charge.
The only thing I want to see is this team compete week in and week out. All I want to see is a team that, while overmatched, is at least professional in how they play each week.
Jim Fassel is a former NFL coach that had success in a functional franchise. He may not get us to the playoffs….but I bet he can at least make late November and December somewhat meaningful.
Cable is a rank joke!
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Yeah at least Fassel will have these guys better prepared to play week in and week out compared to Cable and Fassel will be a better play caller and game planner.
With Fassel next year the Raiders get 6 wins max….if Cable is still the head coach next year the team wins 4 games….maybe less.
It could get worse if Cable sticks around quite honestly.
It doesn’t matter though…without a TRUE Head of Football Operations/GM/Head of Player Personnel and a REAL Head Coach to make the football decisions…..this franchise will remain in the toilet until as long as Al Davis is making all the day to day football decisions.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am
I will say this when you hear Cable talking with Plunkett and Papa he sounds clueless and that’s unnerving
December 20th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Jhill,
I would cut Russell anyway. They need to restructure this roster anyway. An $18 million hole would only hasten the process that needs to take place.
Russell is a huge disappointment. Didn’t bother to work, didn’t bother to do OTAs, didn’t bother to stay in shape, didn’t bother to learn the playbook, just didn’t bother.
Perfect guy for Al Davis by the way.
There are plenty of players that need to go on this roster anyway
December 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Cable cannot be judged this year due to the fact the anchor was forced on him most of the year.the amazing thing is he won 2 games with the anchor starting at QB.that alone should get him another year.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:49 am
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:35 am
raidermarty Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Well the problem is who do you replace Cable with? Fassel doesn’t exactly inspire me and neither does Gilbride;beyond that the prospects aren’t promising…
I say give him another year and see if he can build on anything…..
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What has he done right this year? The entire team, not just Russell, regressed badly this year. The running game is a disaster, the o-line is as bad as its ever been, and the team looks lost in some weeks.
The defense is still horrible against the run and one has to question whether Cable’s methods even gets the team prepared week in and week out.
I would rather take a chance with a coach that knows QBs and coaches an offense that is more aligned with the Owner’s wishes.
Playing 49er ball is not Raider football at the end of the day. We all know it. So stop fighting this and get Jim Fassell in here. Downfield passing, power running game and a much better talent evaluator than Tom Cable.
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A straight up downfield passing attach is exactly NOT what this football team needs. It needs to mix up the short, intermediate game first and then run the football and then pick the spots downfield.
The O-Line is not good enough for a straight up vertical passing game.
Fassel is not a pure downfield type of play caller either….he used to mix it up decently.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Re:MESSAGE TO SEASON TICKET HOLDERS
I told the ticket rep last year to put a winning product on the field, instead of signing Tommy Kelly and Javon Walker to ridiculous contracts which he boldly defended as great moves, then I would start going to games. The ticket rep then said to me and this is no lie . …”a front runner.” Everyone in that building is brainwashed.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Cable cannot be judged this year due to the fact the anchor was forced on him most of the year.the amazing thing is he won 2 games with the anchor starting at QB.that alone should get him another year.
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It’s a waste of time keeping Cable around as Head Coach.
Gruden should be the target….if Davis is to stubborn and stupid to realize that (which he is) then we will have to “settle” for Fassel.
Thats all the franchise is about….”settling” for crappy coaches.
Al Davis couldn’t close the deal with Sean Payton and Ken Whisenhunt….two more non moves that set this franchise back!
Way to go Al.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Cable cannot be judged this year due to the fact the anchor was forced on him most of the year.the amazing thing is he won 2 games with the anchor starting at QB.that alone should get him another year.
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Cable can be judged…very much so.
Mismanaged Bush and DMAC
Mismanaged JLH
Wanted to, and still wants to start, DHB…even to the point of putting Murphy on the bench
Mismanaged the O-Line WITH HIS GUYS
Club Med for training camp
Playcalling is horrible — 4 verticals from the 10 yard line…etc…
I’ve seen enough of this guy. He is not an NFL head coach Lefty.
GET CABLE OUTTA HERE! HIRE FASSEL
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I can find no justification for Fargas being the primary running back.
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The justifaction is neither Bush or Dmac can beat him out of the job
December 20th, 2009 at 11:53 am
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December 20th, 2009 at 11:55 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I can find no justification for Fargas being the primary running back.
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The justifaction is neither Bush or Dmac can beat him out of the job
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B.S — Bush is a 100 yard back that can catch.
Fargas is a 50 to 60 yard back with average catching skills.
I am tired of Raiders lauding players that just plain aren’t up to task.
Bush gets the ball 15 to 20 times…he’s the most PRODUCTIVE back on the team.
Fargas might be the most INSPIRATIONAL..whatever the hell that means..but the guy just doesn’t produce! And that’s the bottom line.
When Cable is fired, a more competent talent evaluator will make the right decision
December 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am
M Lonetree Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Florida Pete,
mightn’t you wander up to Windermere to see if you can chat up El Tigre before his wife takes all his money – supposedly he’s a Raider fan, perhaps he can give the Raiders enough cash to cover the costs of cutting JRuss and hiring a good staff.
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the smarter thing would be chatting up his wife AFTER she takes all his money…
December 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Lefty,
The same anchor that got him the job last year?
I’m actually all for keeping Cable now unless we are talking serious upgrade. We really just need an Asst Head Coach/OC to be brought on board.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# art shells clipboard Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Re:MESSAGE TO SEASON TICKET HOLDERS
I told the ticket rep last year to put a winning product on the field, instead of signing Tommy Kelly and Javon Walker to ridiculous contracts which he boldly defended as great moves, then I would start going to games. The ticket rep then said to me and this is no lie . …”a front runner.” Everyone in that building is brainwashed.
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LOL! See?
Thats the type of dumb crap you have to hear from a lapdog ticket rep trying to hard as a mutha to sell and sucker you into buying a CRAP product in a down and rough economy! What a joke!
Anyone else have other ridiculous and miserable excuses they have heard from a Raider Season Ticket Rep??
December 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I believe that if we had Gruden ticket sales would blow up, and the fan base would be reinvigorated, however I dont think Cable has been given a fair shake with having to play JaDufus, for the majority of the season. If he comes back next we’ll hopefully have Gradkowski who gives this team a chance to compete and keep it close. After week 2, the team should of benched Jamarcus and we would of at least been in the hunt for a wild card spot.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Look at Langston Walker,he knows he isnt a LG but will play LG to help the team in a pinch.Your golden Bush wouldnt
The End
December 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
JaDufas…..lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thats one of the better ones and there has been literally thousands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
December 20th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
In my opinion you just cant reward a player who wont do what it takes to help the team.You just cant
December 20th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
LET’S PUT A BEAT DOWN ON THEM DONKEYS!!!!
December 20th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I can find no justification for Fargas being the primary running back.
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The justifaction is neither Bush or Dmac can beat him out of the job
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Bush beat him… every time he has played he beat him…
fargas is simply not in Bush’s league… we should be showcasing Bush…
McTiptoe… is at best a mistake… hopefully a mistake that is willing to convert to wide receiver…
Bush this year:
CAR 85 YDS 386 AVG 4.5 TDS 2
Fargas this year:
CAR 126 YDS 483 AVG 3.8 TDS 3
McTiptoe this year:
CAR 80 YDS 251 AVG 3.1 TDS 1
the only reason Fargas has the TD’s he does is because they all came on 2 yard runs…
December 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
# art shells clipboard Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I believe that if we had Gruden ticket sales would blow up, and the fan base would be reinvigorated.
^^^^^^^^^^
You bet ur a$$ the season ticket sales would shoot through the roof.
But Al Davis is too stubborn and stupid to realize what is best for the franchise, team and fans and is just worried about himself!
How sad is that??
December 20th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
nice stats 4sure Pete….
Do you know how many times each 1 has fumbled?
Any stats on how many breathers a RB needs 2 come out for?
Any stats on how many blocks the RB made so the QB has time to throw?
December 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
one of the smartest decisions Bush made was not playing fullback… i’m guessing it was his agent that told him not to…
here’s why… he plays fullback… gets stuck at fullback and never ever ever sees a good payday…
even if he is a good fullback, he would never make the money of a halfback… but he he were to suck at fullback… that would be even worse…
i’m glad he stuck to his guns…
far as i’m concerned Cable could have used fargas or mctiptoe at fullback…
and this is why i don’t want cable back…
my sense is that he is vindictive… and i think this organization has had enough of “vindictive”…
we need COACH…
we need LEADERSHIP…
we need COMPETENCE…
December 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
sorry,Jhill,didn’t mean to knock your boy the anchor.as i said Cable won 2 games with the anchor this year,that alone is proof he knows how to coach.
S&B,you are a walking contradiction.you constantly complain about the old man totally controlling everything on the team and in your next breathe you complain about who Cable plays.the anchor,DHB,Bush not playing are all due to what the old man says.BTW,i’m out for the day,can’t stand all the negative biotching that goes on during the game.go Raiders-kick donkey arse.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I personally think Dmac is our best RB.
But I have seen nothing this year from Dmac or Bush to beat out the incumbent.
Its like that old boxing saying….To be the champ..You have to beat the champ
December 20th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
^^^^^^^^^^
You bet ur a$$ the season ticket sales would shoot through the roof.
But Al Davis is too stubborn and stupid to realize what is best for the franchise, team and fans and is just worried about himself!
How sad is that??
Yeah…arguing about Bush is irrelevant fellas!
December 20th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
one of the smartest decisions Bush made was not playing fullback… i’m guessing it was his agent that told him not to…
here’s why… he plays fullback… gets stuck at fullback and never ever ever sees a good payday…
even if he is a good fullback, he would never make the money of a halfback… but he he were to suck at fullback… that would be even worse…
i’m glad he stuck to his guns…
far as i’m concerned Cable could have used fargas or mctiptoe at fullback…
and this is why i don’t want cable back…
my sense is that he is vindictive… and i think this organization has had enough of “vindictive”…
we need COACH…
we need LEADERSHIP…
we need COMPETENCE…
^^^^^^^^^^
Your forgetting the most important need of all.
A new GM making the football decisions to replace the crazy senile old man.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Ok Pete….Lets say you are the Head Coach of Pete’s Pretty’s….
Your starting FB goes down to injury.Coincidental you just happen to have 3 HB’s.You tell the most powerfully built of the three that you need him to play FB to help the team.You tell him it is not permanent but could be for 10 games or so.He tells you NO.
How would you feel and what would you do?
December 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
nice stats 4sure Pete….
Do you know how many times each 1 has fumbled?
Any stats on how many breathers a RB needs 2 come out for?
Any stats on how many blocks the RB made so the QB has time to throw?
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McFadden 4 fumbles… Fargas 1 fumble… Bush 2 fumbles…
no stats on how many breathers a running back has to come out for… but didn’t Cable talk about having 3 running backs??? getting them all involved??? um…
Bush wanted a breather after 6 carries and 36 yards… maybe he got poked… maybe he justed needed some “me” time… but hey… i give him a minute and throw him back in…
can’t find the stats for running backs staying in to block…
this is the best i could come up with:
games 10
completions 106
attempts 221
percentage 48.0
yards 1,138
Tds 2
ints 10
sacks 30
yeah, i know they look like Russell’s stats… cause they are…
but this is what we got to have Fargas stay in and block…
December 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
I will not be suprised if Cable gets another year.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I think that if Cable stays it would be good for continuity but he has to delegate responsibilty and play to his strengths. Coach the O-Line and manage his offensive and defensive coordinators. He should let someone else call the plays. But if they do get rid of him then they need to bring in Marc Trestman. He can bring his offense back to Oakland where we had sucess. Al likes him to that won’t be an issue andhe can bring some of his staff from Canada that already know how he wants things done.
In the offseason i’d like to see the team trade Bush for Adailus Thomas out of the Pats. First we check with Seymour and if he approves of bring him in then we would have an interesting defense. Draft T. Cody out of ‘Bama and switch to a 3-4 with Howard and Scott on the outside and Thomas and Morrison in the inside. Seymour, Cody, and Kelly on the line with Warren and Bryant Rotating in the line. Shaughnessy plays an elephant type role of Nickel DL and stand up LB.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I totally agree Pete….
all those good blocks from all 3 backs and not much to show for it
December 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER!!!!
How ya feel today?
December 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Ok Pete….Lets say you are the Head Coach of Pete’s Pretty’s….
Your starting FB goes down to injury.Coincidental you just happen to have 3 HB’s.You tell the most powerfully built of the three that you need him to play FB to help the team.You tell him it is not permanent but could be for 10 games or so.He tells you NO.
How would you feel and what would you do?
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in a way, i have been told that… i lived with it and moved on… i did not screw the kid (and the team) over by not playing him…
if you want to win you put your best people out there…
quite honestly… cable was asking bush to screw himself over by helping to make others look good…
it’s a team sport… yeah…
but it’s not “go screw yourself for the team” sport…
December 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
DT42….
Now that sounds like an EXCELLENT idea =)
December 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
So then Pete…
You think Langston Walker is screwing himself by playing LG
December 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
What is a good web site to watch the game?
December 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Is there EVER a player who bad mouths the current head coach while STILL WITH THE TEAM, who doesn’t immediately go into the dog house?
No. OF COURSE players are going to prop Cable..what the hell should they say?
Ever hear Sapp have a bad word about the organization or HC while WITH the team?
Moss?
Garner?
Gannon?
Brown?
Rice?…etc…etc.
Hell, the WHOLE TEAM went public they loved Kiffin..both while he was there, and many right after he left.
I think Jerry is dumbing it down for the masses here.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
So then Pete…
You think Langston Walker is screwing himself by playing LG
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way different thing… Walker already got paid, already had the opportunity to make a name for himself…
but… it does make me wonder if Cable is sane… Davis too…
i hate the ZBS…
i want power… and to that point i say Walker belongs at right tackle… Langston that is… not that Javon guy…
where is Javon these days???
December 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Now to sell Al on the idea all Trestman has to do is find some old game film of the ‘83 Raiders and bust out the “overhead projector” and if JRuss doesn’t take a pay cut he can back up Cody at NT.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
So then Pete…
You think Langston Walker is sFlorida Pete Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Ok Pete….Lets say you are the Head Coach of Pete’s Pretty’s….
Your starting FB goes down to injury.Coincidental you just happen to have 3 HB’s.You tell the most powerfully built of the three that you need him to play FB to help the team.You tell him it is not permanent but could be for 10 games or so.He tells you NO.
How would you feel and what would you do?
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in a way, i have been told that… i lived with it and moved on… i did not screw the kid (and the team) over by not playing him…
if you want to win you put your best people out there…
quite honestly… cable was asking bush to screw himself over by helping to make others look good…
it’s a team sport… yeah…
but it’s not “go screw yourself for the team” sportcrewing himself by playing LG
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It’s like Dumb and Dumber with you two.
Idiots need idiots around so the exchange keeps both of you entertained.
Ignorant head up ass comment that Bush was asked to “screw himself”..you fool.
right now? He’s NOT HARDLY PLAYING.
Being on the field, being productive, and HELPING THE TEAM gets you points..both with the team, and any prospective employer down the line.
Now I know why Petey quit on the Raiders to spend time in the garden…simple things escape you, don’t they?
December 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
4evaRaider – YOU made a major point. Cable has done nothing significantly wrong. He played a young QB believing as Al Davis did that they had to give him the chance to be great. Russell failed the team, and Cable. Cable needs more talent on the OL, his WR to mature and a reliable QB to win. That is the minimum coach needs. Give him another year and hopefully we can get those 3 things.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER!!!!
How ya feel today?
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LMFAO…geez…you’re such a dweeb.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I think this is Bush’ last year on contract.I just think he could have helped himself by getting as much playing time as possible.I think he seriously hurt his chances of a big pay-day from us or another team by not playing.Lets say his agent goes to the Cowboys and wants to talk contract.Well what can Bush’s agent show the Cowboys? There is no film on the guy just spotty appearances sprinkled through the season.Soo his agent that told him not to play just shot himself in his own foot,imo.But even if Bush got only 30 or 40 yards rushing in every game he played at FB,along with maybe 20 to 30 yards receiving in every game and he can throw the option as well maybe for a TD or 2,well then his agent would have some concrete numbers to offer.
PLUS he can ALWAYS say…the kid is a team player,he play both RB positions if need be.
Bush was offered playing time and refused.That cant be good for negotiation.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
# Vinous Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
4evaRaider – YOU made a major point. Cable has done nothing significantly wrong. He played a young QB believing as Al Davis did that they had to give him the chance to be great. Russell failed the team, and Cable. Cable needs more talent on the OL, his WR to mature and a reliable QB to win. That is the minimum coach needs. Give him another year and hopefully we can get those 3 things.
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Oh geez…did nothing wrong?
Do you follow the Raiders?
Have you paid attention to anything this year?
WHAT HAS HE DONE RIGHT would be easier.
the list is very LONG on his screw ups..his misuse of RB’s, qb’s, WR’s will prompt a book “Dummies Guide to Screwing UP”..and you didn’t see that?
It’s like Romper Room in here..quadraphonic idiots abound.
LOL…and you wonder why Raider fans are so easy?
December 20th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Well, there you have it. Cable has support in the locker room. You can’t go wrong with a 4-9 team’s endorsement. Who says we need a GM?
December 20th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Fuk the donkeys!!!!
December 20th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
TODAY my gambling debt to Happy Troll will be paid OFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!
It has been diffacult to reefer to the Denver Broncos with the respect they deserve for kicking the living sh!t out if us earlier in the year.
I cant wait
December 20th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
4eva!
I feel great brother although I really had too many pints of Bombardier yesterday.
You looking forward to beating the Donkeys!!!!!!!
December 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Rickosheet!
Who the hell is talking to you you slimy arse moron.
December 20th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I agree Vinous….Cable just played the hand he was dealt the best he could,imo
I mean this is 1st full season at the helm.
I would like for Cable to give an in-depth interview at the end of the year saying what he thinks he could have done differently in hind-sight
December 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Maurice Morris is jukin the socks off the Cardinal Defense and Drew Stanton looks pretty good.
December 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
HELL YEAH ENGLANDRAIDER….new post
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