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Cable has support in locker room

When Mike White was let go, the majority of players in the locker room merely shrugged their shoulders and moved on.

There was a procession of players who went to the office of Al Davis and campaigned for Joe Bugel, which everyone realized was a mistake the moment Bugel barricaded himself inside an office and later compared a last-second loss to the Chiefs (Elvis Grbac to Andre Rison) to the death of his mother.

Jon Gruden’s departure, despite the whole contact issue and persistent rumors, came as a shock because of the timing and the way it played out (traded for $8 million, two first-round picks, two second-round picks).

Bill Callahan? After the “Dumbest Team in America” line, the prevailing opinion was not to let the door hit him on the way out.

That begat Norv Turner, who was 9-23 years, and one look at Norv’s face was all you needed to know that he’d had enough.

Art Shell’s demise was celebrated by the one unit you’d think would have backed him to the hilt _ the offensive line.

By the time Lane Kiffin was fired, the locker room pulse was erratic and confused, because it was hard to know who was more at fault _ Kiffin, for orchestrating his way out after a difficult first off-season, or Davis, for waiting too long to end the charade.

Which brings us to Tom Cable.

Steve Corkran touched on it in his story today in Bay Area News Group Papers. If anything, Cable’s stormy off-field issues have only strengthened his hold on the locker room because of the way he’s dealt with it.

If Cable is eventually fired, a self-preservation mode of sorts will kick in because that’s what players do _ look out for their own interests and their families. But make no mistake, Cable easily has more support within the locker room as well as within the building than any coach since Gruden.

His problem is he doesn’t have the won-loss record to match, and he’s got three games left for a minimal upgrade in that area.

Starting today.

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  • DKnight007

    # art shells clipboard Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am

    Re:MESSAGE TO SEASON TICKET HOLDERS

    I told the ticket rep last year to put a winning product on the field, instead of signing Tommy Kelly and Javon Walker to ridiculous contracts which he boldly defended as great moves, then I would start going to games. The ticket rep then said to me and this is no lie . …”a front runner.” Everyone in that building is brainwashed.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    LOL! See?

    Thats the type of dumb crap you have to hear from a lapdog ticket rep trying to hard as a mutha to sell and sucker you into buying a CRAP product in a down and rough economy! What a joke!

    Anyone else have other ridiculous and miserable excuses they have heard from a Raider Season Ticket Rep??

  • art shells clipboard

    I believe that if we had Gruden ticket sales would blow up, and the fan base would be reinvigorated, however I dont think Cable has been given a fair shake with having to play JaDufus, for the majority of the season. If he comes back next we’ll hopefully have Gradkowski who gives this team a chance to compete and keep it close. After week 2, the team should of benched Jamarcus and we would of at least been in the hunt for a wild card spot.

  • 4evaRaider

    Look at Langston Walker,he knows he isnt a LG but will play LG to help the team in a pinch.Your golden Bush wouldnt

    The End

  • 4evaRaider

    JaDufas…..lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    thats one of the better ones and there has been literally thousands!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • 4evaRaider

    In my opinion you just cant reward a player who wont do what it takes to help the team.You just cant

  • r8eray

    LET’S PUT A BEAT DOWN ON THEM DONKEYS!!!!

  • Florida Pete

    4evaRaider Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
    I can find no justification for Fargas being the primary running back.
    ****************************************************

    The justifaction is neither Bush or Dmac can beat him out of the job

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Bush beat him… every time he has played he beat him…

    fargas is simply not in Bush’s league… we should be showcasing Bush…

    McTiptoe… is at best a mistake… hopefully a mistake that is willing to convert to wide receiver…

    Bush this year:
    CAR 85 YDS 386 AVG 4.5 TDS 2

    Fargas this year:
    CAR 126 YDS 483 AVG 3.8 TDS 3

    McTiptoe this year:
    CAR 80 YDS 251 AVG 3.1 TDS 1

    the only reason Fargas has the TD’s he does is because they all came on 2 yard runs…

  • DKnight007

    # art shells clipboard Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am

    I believe that if we had Gruden ticket sales would blow up, and the fan base would be reinvigorated.

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    You bet ur a$$ the season ticket sales would shoot through the roof.

    But Al Davis is too stubborn and stupid to realize what is best for the franchise, team and fans and is just worried about himself!

    How sad is that??

  • 4evaRaider

    nice stats 4sure Pete….

    Do you know how many times each 1 has fumbled?

    Any stats on how many breathers a RB needs 2 come out for?

    Any stats on how many blocks the RB made so the QB has time to throw?

  • Florida Pete

    one of the smartest decisions Bush made was not playing fullback… i’m guessing it was his agent that told him not to…

    here’s why… he plays fullback… gets stuck at fullback and never ever ever sees a good payday…

    even if he is a good fullback, he would never make the money of a halfback… but he he were to suck at fullback… that would be even worse…

    i’m glad he stuck to his guns…

    far as i’m concerned Cable could have used fargas or mctiptoe at fullback…

    and this is why i don’t want cable back…

    my sense is that he is vindictive… and i think this organization has had enough of “vindictive”…

    we need COACH…

    we need LEADERSHIP…

    we need COMPETENCE…

  • lefty12

    sorry,Jhill,didn’t mean to knock your boy the anchor.as i said Cable won 2 games with the anchor this year,that alone is proof he knows how to coach.
    S&B,you are a walking contradiction.you constantly complain about the old man totally controlling everything on the team and in your next breathe you complain about who Cable plays.the anchor,DHB,Bush not playing are all due to what the old man says.BTW,i’m out for the day,can’t stand all the negative biotching that goes on during the game.go Raiders-kick donkey arse.

  • 4evaRaider

    I personally think Dmac is our best RB.

    But I have seen nothing this year from Dmac or Bush to beat out the incumbent.

    Its like that old boxing saying….To be the champ..You have to beat the champ

  • DKnight007

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    You bet ur a$$ the season ticket sales would shoot through the roof.

    But Al Davis is too stubborn and stupid to realize what is best for the franchise, team and fans and is just worried about himself!

    How sad is that??

    Yeah…arguing about Bush is irrelevant fellas!

  • DKnight007

    # Florida Pete Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    one of the smartest decisions Bush made was not playing fullback… i’m guessing it was his agent that told him not to…

    here’s why… he plays fullback… gets stuck at fullback and never ever ever sees a good payday…

    even if he is a good fullback, he would never make the money of a halfback… but he he were to suck at fullback… that would be even worse…

    i’m glad he stuck to his guns…

    far as i’m concerned Cable could have used fargas or mctiptoe at fullback…

    and this is why i don’t want cable back…

    my sense is that he is vindictive… and i think this organization has had enough of “vindictive”…

    we need COACH…

    we need LEADERSHIP…

    we need COMPETENCE…

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Your forgetting the most important need of all.

    A new GM making the football decisions to replace the crazy senile old man.

  • 4evaRaider

    Ok Pete….Lets say you are the Head Coach of Pete’s Pretty’s….

    Your starting FB goes down to injury.Coincidental you just happen to have 3 HB’s.You tell the most powerfully built of the three that you need him to play FB to help the team.You tell him it is not permanent but could be for 10 games or so.He tells you NO.

    How would you feel and what would you do?

  • Florida Pete

    4evaRaider Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
    nice stats 4sure Pete….

    Do you know how many times each 1 has fumbled?

    Any stats on how many breathers a RB needs 2 come out for?

    Any stats on how many blocks the RB made so the QB has time to throw?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    McFadden 4 fumbles… Fargas 1 fumble… Bush 2 fumbles…

    no stats on how many breathers a running back has to come out for… but didn’t Cable talk about having 3 running backs??? getting them all involved??? um…

    Bush wanted a breather after 6 carries and 36 yards… maybe he got poked… maybe he justed needed some “me” time… but hey… i give him a minute and throw him back in…

    can’t find the stats for running backs staying in to block…

    this is the best i could come up with:
    games 10
    completions 106
    attempts 221
    percentage 48.0
    yards 1,138
    Tds 2
    ints 10
    sacks 30

    yeah, i know they look like Russell’s stats… cause they are…

    but this is what we got to have Fargas stay in and block…

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    I will not be suprised if Cable gets another year.

  • DT42

    I think that if Cable stays it would be good for continuity but he has to delegate responsibilty and play to his strengths. Coach the O-Line and manage his offensive and defensive coordinators. He should let someone else call the plays. But if they do get rid of him then they need to bring in Marc Trestman. He can bring his offense back to Oakland where we had sucess. Al likes him to that won’t be an issue andhe can bring some of his staff from Canada that already know how he wants things done.

    In the offseason i’d like to see the team trade Bush for Adailus Thomas out of the Pats. First we check with Seymour and if he approves of bring him in then we would have an interesting defense. Draft T. Cody out of ‘Bama and switch to a 3-4 with Howard and Scott on the outside and Thomas and Morrison in the inside. Seymour, Cody, and Kelly on the line with Warren and Bryant Rotating in the line. Shaughnessy plays an elephant type role of Nickel DL and stand up LB.

  • 4evaRaider

    I totally agree Pete….

    all those good blocks from all 3 backs and not much to show for it

  • 4evaRaider

    ENGLANDRAIDER!!!!

    How ya feel today?

  • Florida Pete

    4evaRaider Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    Ok Pete….Lets say you are the Head Coach of Pete’s Pretty’s….

    Your starting FB goes down to injury.Coincidental you just happen to have 3 HB’s.You tell the most powerfully built of the three that you need him to play FB to help the team.You tell him it is not permanent but could be for 10 games or so.He tells you NO.

    How would you feel and what would you do?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    in a way, i have been told that… i lived with it and moved on… i did not screw the kid (and the team) over by not playing him…

    if you want to win you put your best people out there…

    quite honestly… cable was asking bush to screw himself over by helping to make others look good…

    it’s a team sport… yeah…

    but it’s not “go screw yourself for the team” sport…

  • 4evaRaider

    DT42….

    Now that sounds like an EXCELLENT idea =)

  • 4evaRaider

    So then Pete…

    You think Langston Walker is screwing himself by playing LG

  • r8eray

    What is a good web site to watch the game?

  • Richochet

    Is there EVER a player who bad mouths the current head coach while STILL WITH THE TEAM, who doesn’t immediately go into the dog house?

    No. OF COURSE players are going to prop Cable..what the hell should they say?

    Ever hear Sapp have a bad word about the organization or HC while WITH the team?
    Moss?
    Garner?
    Gannon?
    Brown?
    Rice?…etc…etc.

    Hell, the WHOLE TEAM went public they loved Kiffin..both while he was there, and many right after he left.

    I think Jerry is dumbing it down for the masses here.

  • Florida Pete

    4evaRaider Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
    So then Pete…

    You think Langston Walker is screwing himself by playing LG

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    way different thing… Walker already got paid, already had the opportunity to make a name for himself…

    but… it does make me wonder if Cable is sane… Davis too…

    i hate the ZBS…

    i want power… and to that point i say Walker belongs at right tackle… Langston that is… not that Javon guy…

    where is Javon these days???

  • DT42

    Now to sell Al on the idea all Trestman has to do is find some old game film of the ’83 Raiders and bust out the “overhead projector” and if JRuss doesn’t take a pay cut he can back up Cody at NT.

  • Richochet

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    So then Pete…

    You think Langston Walker is sFlorida Pete Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    4evaRaider Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
    Ok Pete….Lets say you are the Head Coach of Pete’s Pretty’s….

    Your starting FB goes down to injury.Coincidental you just happen to have 3 HB’s.You tell the most powerfully built of the three that you need him to play FB to help the team.You tell him it is not permanent but could be for 10 games or so.He tells you NO.

    How would you feel and what would you do?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    in a way, i have been told that… i lived with it and moved on… i did not screw the kid (and the team) over by not playing him…

    if you want to win you put your best people out there…

    quite honestly… cable was asking bush to screw himself over by helping to make others look good…

    it’s a team sport… yeah…

    but it’s not “go screw yourself for the team” sportcrewing himself by playing LG
    =============================
    It’s like Dumb and Dumber with you two.

    Idiots need idiots around so the exchange keeps both of you entertained.

    Ignorant head up ass comment that Bush was asked to “screw himself”..you fool.

    right now? He’s NOT HARDLY PLAYING.
    Being on the field, being productive, and HELPING THE TEAM gets you points..both with the team, and any prospective employer down the line.

    Now I know why Petey quit on the Raiders to spend time in the garden…simple things escape you, don’t they?

  • Vinous

    4evaRaider – YOU made a major point. Cable has done nothing significantly wrong. He played a young QB believing as Al Davis did that they had to give him the chance to be great. Russell failed the team, and Cable. Cable needs more talent on the OL, his WR to mature and a reliable QB to win. That is the minimum coach needs. Give him another year and hopefully we can get those 3 things.

  • Richochet

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm

    ENGLANDRAIDER!!!!

    How ya feel today?
    ========================
    LMFAO…geez…you’re such a dweeb.

  • 4evaRaider

    I think this is Bush’ last year on contract.I just think he could have helped himself by getting as much playing time as possible.I think he seriously hurt his chances of a big pay-day from us or another team by not playing.Lets say his agent goes to the Cowboys and wants to talk contract.Well what can Bush’s agent show the Cowboys? There is no film on the guy just spotty appearances sprinkled through the season.Soo his agent that told him not to play just shot himself in his own foot,imo.But even if Bush got only 30 or 40 yards rushing in every game he played at FB,along with maybe 20 to 30 yards receiving in every game and he can throw the option as well maybe for a TD or 2,well then his agent would have some concrete numbers to offer.
    PLUS he can ALWAYS say…the kid is a team player,he play both RB positions if need be.

    Bush was offered playing time and refused.That cant be good for negotiation.

  • Richochet

    # Vinous Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    4evaRaider – YOU made a major point. Cable has done nothing significantly wrong. He played a young QB believing as Al Davis did that they had to give him the chance to be great. Russell failed the team, and Cable. Cable needs more talent on the OL, his WR to mature and a reliable QB to win. That is the minimum coach needs. Give him another year and hopefully we can get those 3 things.
    ===============================
    Oh geez…did nothing wrong?
    Do you follow the Raiders?
    Have you paid attention to anything this year?

    WHAT HAS HE DONE RIGHT would be easier.

    the list is very LONG on his screw ups..his misuse of RB’s, qb’s, WR’s will prompt a book “Dummies Guide to Screwing UP”..and you didn’t see that?

    It’s like Romper Room in here..quadraphonic idiots abound.

    LOL…and you wonder why Raider fans are so easy?

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Well, there you have it. Cable has support in the locker room. You can’t go wrong with a 4-9 team’s endorsement. Who says we need a GM?

  • http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png 408RAIDER

    Fuk the donkeys!!!!

  • 4evaRaider

    TODAY my gambling debt to Happy Troll will be paid OFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!

    It has been diffacult to reefer to the Denver Broncos with the respect they deserve for kicking the living sh!t out if us earlier in the year.

    I cant wait

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    4eva!

    I feel great brother although I really had too many pints of Bombardier yesterday.

    You looking forward to beating the Donkeys!!!!!!!

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Rickosheet!

    Who the hell is talking to you you slimy arse moron.

  • 4evaRaider

    I agree Vinous….Cable just played the hand he was dealt the best he could,imo

    I mean this is 1st full season at the helm.

    I would like for Cable to give an in-depth interview at the end of the year saying what he thinks he could have done differently in hind-sight

  • Plunketthead

    Maurice Morris is jukin the socks off the Cardinal Defense and Drew Stanton looks pretty good.

  • 4evaRaider

    HELL YEAH ENGLANDRAIDER….new post

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