Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 20th, 2009 at 6:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes and observations following the Raiders’ 20-19 win over the Denver Broncos at Invesco Field:
– What an incredible roller coaster ride of a game.
The fluctuation in quality of play under Tom Cable is remarkable. The Raiders can look error-prone and amateurish one week and positively heroic seven days later. Cable used the word “spectacular” in describing his team’s defense, and it wasn’t hyperbole.
From holding the Broncos to a pair of field goals on their first two drives, to keeping them out of the end zone after Kyle Orton’s 63-yard pass to Brandon Stokely, to Michael Huff’s magnificent breakup of an Orton pass to Brandon Marshall on the second-to-last play, the Raiders played _ dare I say it _ championship level defense.
Very few missed tackles. Tight coverage. Just one really big mistake on the Stokely play. Tommy Kelly played so hard he lost his pants. Knowshon Moreno looks unstoppable on the first two drives _ I had him pegged at that point for at least 125 yards _ and ends up with 49 yards. He had 39 yards rushing after three possessions.
– The bottom line is JaMarcus Russell is largely responsible for his plight this season, but still, when Michael Bush dropped a sure first-down pass on one of his first series, you wonder if the guy can catch a break.
Yes, he missed an open Louis Murphy on a key third-down throw. But he got off the deck after giving way to J.P. Losman after being knocked out for a play and delivered a 10-yard strike for a first down, and led a game-winning drive against a division rival.
Russell didn’t gloat following a win in the same way he doesn’t seem to gnash his teeth over a loss.
“I always say everybody is going to have their opinion. As long as my teammates have faith, and I have faith in those guys,” Russell said. `There’s always going to be tough times. It’s how you come up from behind and fight those tough times off.”
Russell’s teammates seemed genuinely happy for him.
“I don’t think words can explain,” tackle Mario Henderson said. “He’s the No. 1 overall draft pick. He’s been hearing it from Day 1. For him to come in and do what he did today was amazing. One thing we did was step up behind him. We didn’t abandon him . . . the thing he showed us today is he was ready for the chance, he came back out strong and helped us when we needed it.”
Said tight end Tony Stewart: “The man has been freaking dragged through the mud and people have been taking shots at him and the man has just been standing tall. He has a lot of growing up to do but when it came time he stepped up and did the job.”
– Cable’s response about the quarterback for next week against Cleveland: “We’ll have to sort through the bodies on the way home and decide. Charlie was playing really well before he got knocked out. If he’s ready to go he’ll play. If not, we’ll go with JaMarcus but it’s too early to tell.”
It’s worth noting Cable didn’t go overboard and limit what Russell did to his final drive.
“He missed a couple throws that could have changed it earlier, but what he did was he stayed in tehre and got it and I think that’s the part we should all be excited about,” Cable said. “They put some rush to it there at the end and brought a cople guys and were under some pressure, especially when we crossed midfield. But once we got down there I thought he handled it pretty well. He got some protection and was able to make a play.”
– Frye was well enough following his concussion to talk to reporters after the game.
“My buddy from Cleveland, Andra Davis, came up the middle and got me pretty good and my head hit the ground,” Frye said. “This league is obviously putting a lot of emphasis on head injuries and with good reason. Obviously it worked out. JaMarcus came in and played great and Chaz caught the touchdown. You couldn’t have written a better script.”
– Bush, the only back to gain 100 yards in a game this season for the Raiders, also became the second, gaining 133 yards on 18 carries and leading a season-best 241-yard rushing performance. Darren McFadden had 74 yards on 12 carries _ the second-highest total of his career. Bush had 23-yard touchdown run (getting a huge block from Langston Walker) and a 40-yard run.
Both runners were stone-walled near the end zone, however, and McFadden lost a fumble, a mistake that looked as if it would cost the Raiders the game.
Justin Fargas left the game early after “tweaking” a knee.
“Let’s face it, everybody would be happy to to have what we have here (at the running back position),” Cable said. “If you were anywhere else and you only had Mike or Darren . . . fortunately wehave two more running backs you can run to. Those guys block i pretty well, run it hard and it was a good day.”
It was deja vu for Bush, who recalled last year’s 177-yard effort in the season finale at Tampa Bay.
“A game like this reminds me of last year,” Bush said. “In Tampa, the guys went down last year and I stepped in, same thing as today. Fargas went down a little bit and we needed someone else to pick up the slack. that is why you need a stable of backs like we have.”
– Denver coach Josh McDaniels conceded that settling with field goals on their first two red zone opportunities _ leading 6-0 instead of 14-0 _ played a huge role. He didn’t help matters by calling a Kyle Orton quarterack sneak which came up way short and a gadget pass to eligible tackle Ryan Clady on the next series which was correctly diagnosed by Asomugha.
“All year, we’ve kind of let teams hang around, and we’ve been fortunate enough to win most of those games,” Orton said. “You do it long enough and you don’t put teams away, and it comes back to bite you like it did today.”
– Frye and tight end Brandon Myers didn’t finish the game with concussions. Fargas, Cable said, possibly could have continued if the Raiders needed an “emergency” runner. Chris Johnson sprained an ankle.
“He was able to play some and then he had to come out,” Cable said.
– The Raiders used tackle Erik Pears as an extra blocker in some sets.
– The game was delayed at one point as officials directed law enforcement to try and find someone shining a laser light into the face of Broncos wide receiver Brandon Marshall. There were a few scuffles as tempers were both on short sides.
In other words, an old-style AFC West game worthy of tradition.
“Pretty fun,” Cable said. “I’ll bet you all counted us out, too.”
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December 20th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
=)
December 20th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
“Pretty fun,” Cable said. “I’ll bet you all counted us out, too.”
love that quote…
December 20th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Maybe the Josh McDaniels is a genius talk was a tad premature.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
“Said tight end Tony Stewart: “The man has been freaking dragged through the mud and people have been taking shots at him and the man has just been standing tall. He has a lot of growing up to do but when it came time he stepped up and did the job.””
He’s still only 24.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Great character win
But Rusell still needs to become a leader
Study harder like Gradkoski
Loose some pounds so he can be a mobile QB
And get better pocket presence
December 20th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Gonna enjoy this win all through xmas
December 20th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
i’m sorry, but did anyone bother asking cable what was up with that technobowl call at the end of the 3rd q? why did he pass up the 3 points to go for it on 4th down? not just 4th down, but 4th down at the 3. and with 15 full minutes left to play and the chance to tie it? i’m going to revel in this win as much as possible, but tommy boy really almost blew it right there.
god, please don’t let us go into battle next week with bubba russell. give charlie some smelling salts or tell bruce to tape it up. russell didn’t cost us the game, but it’s not like his play was all that inspiring either. fumbles, inaccurate throws, batted balls at the line… man, i sound like one of those never happy/sour grape fans i can’t stand. oh well…
December 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Light at the end of the tunnel? Who knows. But the Raiders are *&^%$#@ amazing, aren’t they? Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hydes of the NFL.
How tough it was for Cable to start with two rookie wrs and a totally raw qb. And all the guys that post here put him down. The guy’s got guts and his players still play 60 minutes (to the second!).
December 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
JaBustus still needs to go. Let Gradkowski, Frye & Losman compete to see who’s the #1,#2 & #3 QB. I don’t see any room in there for JR. We usually don’t carry 4 QB’s and that’s where he’d end up in that mix of players.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
# JT Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Great character win
But Rusell still needs to become a leader
Study harder like Gradkoski
Loose some pounds so he can be a mobile QB
And get better pocket presence
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100% – But i would rather show him the door
December 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Frye played really well early and actually looks like our best deep ball threat. It was a great team win. The D was off the chain. Was surprised to see Jamarcus actually make a few plays, he’s best when he just throws a dart quickly on a hook or a slant.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
It’s one thing for Russell to step in and make a few plays when the defense isn’t expecting it. However, I think we all are far to familiar with the results when a defensive coordinator is given a full week to prepare for Russell.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Said tight end Tony Stewart: “The man has been freaking dragged through the mud and people have been taking shots at him and the man has just been standing tall. He has a lot of growing up to do but when it came time he stepped up and did the job.”
December 20th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Mr Bentley,couldnt agree more,got to give Cable and Jruss credit,came thru bigtime.Seems the haters blame Al with losing but cant/wont gime him credit for the TALENT w/Heart that this YOUNG team shows! ps, I Will renew my season tickets,period! ol,dl,mlb
December 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Fargas tweeked a knee?
He stood on the sideline alright.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Seems the haters blame Al with losing but cant/wont gime him credit for the TALENT w/Heart that this YOUNG team shows! ps, I Will renew my season tickets,period! ol,dl,mlb
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I am not a hater, but al should be banned from ever drafting again.
Will you still feel the samne when we take taylor mays in the draft?
December 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Fargas tweeked a knee?
He stood on the sideline alright.
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FoolKell doesn’t have a thought in his head but he still blogs
December 20th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
-RT
-RG
-LB
-CB
get ‘er done AD.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Primusssuxxx…Al Davis only gets blame …never any credit…..everything is Al Davis’ fault except success.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Said tight end Tony Stewart: “The man has been freaking dragged through the mud and people have been taking shots at him and the man has just been standing tall. He has a lot of growing up to do but when it came time he stepped up and did the job.”
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he was standing tall because he’s 6 foot freaking six…
he was dragged through the mud… because that’s what observers do to people who deserve to be dragged through the mud…
people were taking shots at him because he made himself the target…
i don’t feel sorry for this guy…
the ball he threw to Bush… by the way… it was at his knees…
December 20th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
The game ball should have gone to Fargas’ knee.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Richard Bentley Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Light at the end of the tunnel? Who knows. But the Raiders are *&^%$#@ amazing, aren’t they? Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hydes of the NFL.
How tough it was for Cable to start with two rookie wrs and a totally raw qb. And all the guys that post here put him down. The guy’s got guts and his players still play 60 minutes (to the second!).
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yeah and we got a stellar 5 and 9 record…
i don’t think he’s gonna get any votes for Coach of the Year…
December 20th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Right off the bat ….they had to waste a time out to search for a play JaMeatloaf could understand.
December 20th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
post16,the talent of this YOUNG team was drafted by whom? Seems we usually wait Three years before a draft class is deemed a success or failure,No? PS Think the RAIDERS are set at safety,dont think Mays can play mlb,he sure was the greatest in centerfield tho
December 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Florida Pete Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
yeah and we got a stellar 5 and 9 record…
i don’t think he’s gonna get any votes for Coach of the Year
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Cable should get at least an honorable mention for dealing with Al Davis, Randy Hanson,JaCarcus, N O W , the Media, and all the fickle fans.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
We need to resign Michael Bush. Just a thought.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Cable could be 10-4 and he wouldn’t get any votes for COY.look at Flores-only HC to win 2 SBs and not even get a sniff at the HOF.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Oh is it because the media HATES the Raiders Lefty?? LOL! Still crying bout that huh?? Nice.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
run the ball with Bush and look what happens: the only 2 100+ rusher all season. We better re sign Bush. JR saves the day (imagine that) and now we start all over again with his alleged upside and whether he stays or goes…
December 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I bet signing Mike Bush is real high on the Raiders priority list. LOL!
December 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
not crying about anything-just pointing out FACTS.what’s the matter-facts bother you?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Spellcheck
Did I slap you out of you previous handle, or was it someone else?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Dude Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Oh is it because the media HATES the Raiders Lefty?? LOL! Still crying bout that huh?? Nice.
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Hey Dude….it’s better than you crying about your mommie not letting you play video games before your room is cleaned.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
You have pointed out ZERO facts. All your doing is whining, as per usual.
“Oh, boo hoo the media hates the Raiders”
December 20th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Spell,
Good one. What times your set at Giggles start?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
FoolKell ….we’re not interested in what you spank.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
how many HCs have won 2 SBs?how many coaches who have won 2 SBs are in the HOF?how many HCs who have won 2 SBs aren’t in the HOF?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Spellcheck says Raider fans are being “fickle”…. Yep, fickle is the word for a fan base that is in the midst of 7 straight 10 loss seasons. LOL!! Idiot
December 20th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Lefty,
Why do YOU think Flores is not a HOFer?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
answer my questions.i’m not playing your game of all responses being questions.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
When our QB plays at least decent, we showed we can beat good teams. Its not a coincidence…
December 20th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
how many HCs who have won SBs?how many HCs who have won 2 SBs aren’t in the HOF?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
I dont know how many coaches with 2 Superbowls are NOT in the HOF, I would imagine its not many. Seriously, why in your mind is Flores not in the HOF?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
have won 2 SBs.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Hell I dont know, I can GOOGLE it and pretend I do, but I dont care enough. Why isnt he in the HOF??
December 20th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
media bias.just as Ray Guy isn’t in because of media bias.just as C. Branch or L. Hayes,or K. Stabler or even the only QB with 2 SB wins not in-J.Plunkett.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
How then do explain ALL the Raiders who ARE in the HOF?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
they deserve it!
December 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
But if the media is biased against the Raiders players they wouldnt have been voted in. Right??
December 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
lefty12,understand exactly youre point about Coach Flores, he should be in the Hall of Fame!I also think Snake,Plunkett,Guy,Branch etc should be.Hope the Raiders finish 7-9,get ready for the New Year.With that said,Merry Christmas to you and Youres,out
December 20th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
i’m not playing your game tonight.i’m happy,my team won today.sorry if yours(SF or sea chickens,or however)didn’t.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Tyvon Branch now has 110 tackles on the season. He has been a really nice surprise for us.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
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December 20th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Lefty,
You mean the game of common sense? Sure I am playing, no surprise your not. Typical of a fella like yourself to run when presented with a logical question. Man up and just admit your arument is all wet.
December 20th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
and just what argument would that be?that only 1 HC in the history of the NFL has won 2 SBs-Tom Flores-that hasn’t been selected to the HOF?that WRs like Swann whose careers pale in comparison to Branch have made it while he hasn’t?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
i’ll ask you-why haven’t the above players and HC who deserve to be inducted into the HOF not been elected?
December 20th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
How do you explain the fact that there are many many Raiders in Canton if there is a media bias towards Raider players?
I am not sure why Flores isnt in, maybe its the fact that his overall record isnt great, but I am not rediculous enough to say its media bias when its been proven time and again the media has no problem voting Raiders in.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
I dont know why those guys arent in, I dont know why alot of guys from alot of different teams arent in. I do however know its not because of some media bias. I have heard good arguments for both sides on all those players.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Maybe the correct question is….how long has it been since a Raider has been voted into the HOF and since then, how many of those sportswiters that casted those votes, still vote now….might that not help explain if a bias exists now compared to then????
December 20th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Howie Long made it not too long ago but guys like Lefty dont seem to want to talk about that.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Journalism isn’t nearly as pure as it used to be…objectivity is lost these days….not really even taught in Universities like it should be….that, and the fact Al Davis openly distrusts and ridicules sportswriters doesn’t help the Raiders cause.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Howie Long being a member of the media didn’t influence the voters at all did it?
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
There have been Raiders elected in damn near every other year for the last 10 years. But yeah, theres a media bias.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Dierdorf was mediocre on a losing team and used the MNF broadcasts to lobby the voters.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
damn are you guys gonna talk about the game or keep going about your BS?
December 20th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
nominated isn’t elected you moron
December 20th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
damn are you guys gonna talk about the game or keep going about your BS?
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Like you ever post anything worth reading
December 20th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Who said nomninated?
December 20th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
it is your OPINION the media is not biased against the Raiders.it is my OPINION the media is biased against the Raiders.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Dierdorff was a 5 time All Pro and a 6 time PBer. Yep, thats “mediocre”
December 20th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
even though it was probably inevitable, that win today probably just cemented ja-mac-n-cheese as next year’s starter in Al’s eyes. mark it.
couple more predictions: cable is fired, fassel hired. Al drafts a DB and russell starts. we win 4 games in 2010.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
hey spellcheck. dont be making shyt up. they took that timeout when jr came in cuz jlh didnt know where to line up. russell was telling him where to go and play clock was running down. stupid ass. they took a time out to get a play jr knows. gd fool
December 20th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Your opinion dznt hold any water so keep it to yourself till you care to plug the holes.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Howie Long was the last Raider inducted in the Hall of Fame in 2000….so tell us all of those Raiders “elected” every other year since then….idiot
December 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Marcus Allen, James Lofton, Bob Brown, John Madden, Rod Woodson
December 20th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Dave Casper and Ronnie Lott.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
ive talked a lot of junk about tommy kelly this year, but i must give the man some ups. he played a great game today. way to go tommy kelly
December 20th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
So thats 4 career Raiders and 3 guys who played with the Raiders in 8 elections. Yep, bias.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Allen, Loften, and woodson didn’t go in as Raiders…and Madden was a member of the Media
December 20th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
dude, dont even pay any attention to that sycophant. has not fuggin clue what he/she is talking about. just making shyt up
December 20th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Raiders elected damn near every year-you mean guys like Rice and Woodson who played most of their careers elsewhere and are being elected because of past laurels?i’m talking about guys who were great in their era and are being ignored by todays media.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
the ball he threw to Bush… by the way… it was at his knees…
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You mean the one that hit Bush in both his hands? Cmon Pete! Bush should’ve simply caught that ball and moved the chains. But he dropped it. No big deal, the TEAM kept playing and got past it.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Spellcheck,
Youve been dismissed. Know your role and shut your mouth.
Lefty,
Like I said, theres arguments to be made for all those guys. The most agregious would be Guy, but I think the bias is more positional on that one.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
you may not value my opinion,but then again,i don’t value yours either.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
jhill u r right. bush should’ve caught that ball. period
December 20th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
can anyone come up with the # of 3rd down drops this yr? during the pittsburgh game, they gave a stat of 16.7% of catchable passes have been dropped by raider players. thats 1 out of 6 for all u math majors. anyway, just curious as to how many 3rd down drops we’ve had
December 20th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
nice to see Mcsliding have a fairly good game. – the fumble of course
December 20th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Well …
Winning today put us between 7th-10th on draft day.
So much for Okung. Damn it!
December 20th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Fans out here on twitter have been posting all night that the Donks lost because of a “Raider fan” who was shining a laser pointer at Brandon Marshall.
I think if it was a Raider fan doing it, the crowd would have lynched him.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
NE,
I would have loved to see McFadden in the slot and a few more runs outside instead of those up the middle runs. Give ALL of those to Bush, maybe 2 or 3 of those to McFadden.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Credit where it’s due.
JaMarcus good final drive. Game ball.
You’re still on the bench. Hard work will get you back on the field.
Some very sure tackling from the D.
Great running from Bush. And improved running from McFadden.
Give Cable credit for going for it on 4th and goal. Would like to have seen more variety in the play calls, but a gutsy choice none-the-less.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Lefty,
I tend not to value opinions that are irrational.
I would imagine as someone who is irrational you wouldnt care for the opinion of someone who is not. Makes sense to me.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
LMFAO!
That laser has a name … And it’s Michael Huff!
December 20th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Well …
Winning today put us between 7th-10th on draft day.
So much for Okung. Damn it!
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After so many bad years. I think the priority right now is learning how to win. Brian Cushing has to be one of the favourites for rookie of the year, and he was chosen well into the teens.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Anyone notice who was starting all the fights? Seymour. Guessing he was tired of being held.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Credit where it’s due.
JaMarcus good final drive. Game ball.
You’re still on the bench. Hard work will get you back on the field.
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And I love the fact that he will be back on the bench and that 2 weeks on the bench is not THE penalty he has to pay. Until he starts showing up consistantly on Tuesdays and at 6am, let him keep watching and learning.
On a side note, it was interesting to hear about Frye’s travels with Holmgren. The way Holmgren makes hi QBs prepare should be the standard in the league. His JOB DESCRIPTION for a QB is much more in line with NORMALCY than anything I’ve heard around here in a long time. Just calling a play and making the QB responsible for knowing the formation and personell that goes with it? OUTSTANDING!
December 20th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
You’re right about that Northern D.
Just kind of had my sights on Okung when it looked like we might get a top 5 pick.
I’m sure there will be a decent OT available when we pick.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
jhill,
Ryan Clady has far outplayed Jake Long in their careers so far. I’m sure there will be a ton of good ones coming out this year.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
you have said nothing to make one believe what you say is rational.what is your rational for Flores,Branch,Plunkett,Stabler,Hayes,and others not being elected to the HOF while others who were far less worthy were elected?
December 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Questions that needs answers
1) Since the bye week, we been .500 team wining 3 games and losing 3, what is the justification for having Jamarcus in this team?
2)With Ellis aging and hopefully AL locking Seymour, do you guys think AL will improve this team pass rushing by signing a guy Julius Peppers who is promised to let go after getting franchised this year or instead sign to get A Kampman who doesnt fit the 3-4 packers are using?
3) Resigning Morrison and Howard is in my opinion is like paying bad carsale dealer to sell you your car, they clearly are cover linebackers but cant stop the run, do we try to address this position through free agency and get a guy like D’Qwell Jackson or draft Brandon Spikes with our first round pick and hope Scott can play weakside linebacker ?
4)I will be honest, how do you know which cornerbacks can play man to man coverage in the draft, few teams play it in the league, CJ and Routt are clearly not capable of holding their ground, who do we get in place of them?
5)With 7 picks in the draft, how can we get a RT, RG, C, LG, LT, DT, MLB, LB, CB the whole offensive line is struggling, I would rather sign some veterans then address the most important needs, does AL have the money to resurrect this team?
6) Who thinks Cable should get fired?
I hope some of you can address these questions cause I am already focused on next year, I am happy we won but its the end of the season, my thoughts is on the future seeing the Silver and Black competing for a playoff position
December 20th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Congrats to JaMarcus on the late game come from behind TD drive. Despite all his struggles and missing several games for being benched, that’s the 3rd time this season he led a comeback TD drive in the last 3 minutes or less of a game. That’s pretty good.
I do feel like Frye was a little sharper. Neither looked as good as Gradkowski.
JaMarcus did still seem to have trouble with the pocket presence. He got stripped for a fumble we recovered at one point. And there were at least two other times where his arm got hit on a throw and went sailing up into the air but luckily landed incomplete. If any one of those three balls doesn’t bounce our way then we lose the game and everyone is on here calling JaMarcus a bum. He was OK though.
Bush and McFadden looked great. Bush especially. The fumble tainted an otherwise impressive effort from McFadden, who really needs to be touching the ball at least 15 times per game to get in a rhythm and cash in on some of those big runs.
Great job of run blocking by the o-line today. A lot of holes in the middle of the trenches.
Great job of the D of clamping down in the red zone. Really stepped up in short yardage situations all over the field. Only gave up 1 TD. This D looks like a winner. I think it still needs a great pass rusher to apply more consistent pressure but other than that I could pretty much live with returning the entire unit for next year.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Right again Northern D. Not to deep into who’s coming out so far. I just know that this is another game that shows how GLARING the need is to upgrade C, RG, and RT.
I do think that big Langston will start at G next year. Not sure if it will be RG or LG. I’m not putting to much faith in Gallery coming back from back surgery and a broken leg.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Raiders4eve
I’ll give it a shot…
1)Money and Al wants to keep him for the physical skills.
2)Shaunessy(sp), Seymour and Scott look solid as pass rushers. More push from the middle would be nice.
3)Morrison and Howard are drag down tacklers and should be replaced. They need a big hitter in the middle.
4)CJ and Routt have done a capable job. A better pash rush would help them. Playing opposite Nnamdi makes anyone look worse than they should.
Sometimes you have to give credit to the other teams for making plays. Even Nnamdi isn’t perfect.
5)Mix and match, free agenst and the draft.
Al does and doesn’t have the money. Long story.
6)Fired for off the field stuff. But if he stays, he needs to get an OC.
December 20th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Right again Northern D. Not to deep into who’s coming out so far. I just know that this is another game that shows how GLARING the need is to upgrade C, RG, and RT.
I do think that big Langston will start at G next year. Not sure if it will be RG or LG. I’m not putting to much faith in Gallery coming back from back surgery and a broken leg.
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I just read last week that Walker was willing to do whatever it took to get back as a starter. I think if he dropped some weight, he could be a real threat to play RT again. He may lack the quickness to play at the guard spot. Adressing the Rg spot in the draft would be smart, IMO.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Northern-what off field stuff?Slapping his wife 25 years ago?or knocking down a little weasel in a meeting for probably being a little weasel?
December 20th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Branch, Huff, Nnamdi, Scott, Shaugnessy, Mitchell, Murphy, Bush, DMAC, Henderson, Lechler, Jano, Schillens, and Howard.
Seymour, Ellis, CJ, TK, and Bryant.
Ok Al, you can keep running the draft, lol!
Tommy Kelly losing his pants was HILARIOUS! How the fugg did all of that come off, lol!
December 20th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
The 4th down play at the goal line where McFadden receives the pitch for the outside run was disappointing because he could have easily used his speed and went around the defenders but instead he tried to cut up and go straight against 2 defenders and they stopped him. Poor vision and lack of confidence in his speed I guess?
December 20th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
JHill – Al Davis won’t need to draft Okung…Taylor Mays will be available.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
We definitely need some offensive linemen in the draft and a middle linebacker.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Personally, I’d like to see Walker stay at G. Notice how much power stuff we are seeing on that side of the ball? Look at Walker in the Pitts game after him and Cable “talked” about what plays would work best for Walker. Notice how that left side of the line looked this week vs. last when Morris was in there? Walker is making difference inside.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Taylor Mays?
Really?
With Huff, Branch, and Mitchell all playing so well?
Nah, I can’t see a DB this year. Not in rd 1.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
it may have only been for a game or two so far but moving Scott to one LB and moving Howard to the other side seems to have made the whole group much more efficient.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
24, the problem with that playcall is it should have happened on 3rd down when we were on the 1 yd line.
Even the posters on this board were predicting that play when Cable called a timeout. 4th dn play should have been a FG.
Cable is getting better though. Still needs that Asst HC/OC next year.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Agreed Lefty!
Very happy with the OLB play since Scott has moved to that position. I’m going to give Morrison the benefit of the doubt and simply wonder how much that dislocated elbow set him back this year?
December 20th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Raiders4Eve,
1. Because they’ve already invested a ton of time and money in him. He may be gone by next year, but if he takes an enormous pay-cut he may get one more turn.
2. Kampman’s not a bad idea. I can’t see them paying Seymour and Peppers.
3. Morrison and Howard are two of the most confusing guys on this team. They look downright great on a handful of plays each game but then you can’t find them when teams are gashing us with big runs. I wouldn’t take Spikes where we’re picking in Round 1. A FA pickup or two and some later-round draft picks with promise would be wise. I think a pair of practice squad rookies — Slade Norris and David Nixon — could develop into something by next season. Plus there was that TE they were converting to MLB on the practice squad. Maybe one or more of those guys emerges next year.
4. Routt does seem to get burned a little too often, but CJ is very, very good in my view. Everyone seems to think he’s out there giving up these big plays every game, but those plays are almost always against either Routt, a LB, safety or a soft spot in a zone. Nothing wrong with CJ at all. A CB in Round 2 or 3 is probably in order though just for depth and in case Nnamdi flees eventually.
5. O-line to me is the group in biggest need of an upgrade. Some very good DTs in this draft. Personally, I’d be very tempted by Dez Bryant (WR, Ok State) in Round 1. But I think the big uglies will be brought in early and often through the draft and FA before next year.
6. I don’t know. I didn’t think Cable ever should’ve kept the job going into this season. I’ve gotta say I agree with a lot of his decisions — when to go for it on 4th down, many of his play calls, benching JaMarcus for Gradkowski, giving Frye the nod this week — there just aren’t many instances where I would say, “you moron what are you doing?” But I do feel like McFadden has been mis-used. And Bush and McFadden have both been underused. Then you’ve got Kwame Harris starting as long as he did last year and a lot of non-competitive blowout losses. But how much of those losses can/should be pinned on poor QB play? Cable is now 3-2 since JaMarcus was benched — and one of those losses was when JaMarcus came on and played the entire 2nd half of what had been a close game until that point. And the three wins are against Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Denver — two playoff-bound teams and the defending SB champs. If we can beat the Browns and he’s 4-2 after JaMarcus, he might get next year. If we lose out (Cleveland has been much better lately) I’ve gotta think he’s gone.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Anyone catch that Mike Mitchell hit on Orton early in the game where he flattened him and then gave him a little forearm to the head on his way up? That’s what I like to see. That guy just loves to hit. Love him as a blitzer.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Anyone catch that Mike Mitchell hit on Orton early in the game where he flattened him and then gave him a little forearm to the head on his way up? That’s what I like to see. That guy just loves to hit. Love him as a blitzer.
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Yes, but his coverage game is severely lacking.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
earlier in the season many on here wanted the anchor benched.my take was,along with some others,bench him to see if he is the main problem.imo,the last few weeks have shown that he is the main problem.as NYC says,as of now we are 3-2 post anchor and if Gradkowski hadn’t gotten hurt we could have very well been 4-1.maybe Cable is right when he says we aren’t that far off.our young WRs will be better next year,our Def. seems to improve weekly.if we can get the Oline straightened out we could be a force.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
24, the problem with that playcall is it should have happened on 3rd down when we were on the 1 yd line.
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Totally agree. They ran the same play three straight times.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Love Mitchell slamming Orton’s head in the ground right there. Makes up for that chickenshyt play that the Dline guy did on Fargas!
Nice Bush sighting!
Hope he gets another carry this drive, lol!
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Posted this earlier Chris, lol!
I think they are doing a good job of using Mitchell. Using him to bring pressure, fill the box, and zone up the underneath stuff. Like most rookies with little playing time, he certainly needs work in coverage. Severely though? That’s kinda harsh. Dude is definitely a presence of the field.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Northern-what off field stuff?Slapping his wife 25 years ago?or knocking down a little weasel in a meeting for probably being a little weasel?
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Yes, That’s what I meant.
But after you put it like that, I’m having second thoughts.
HC is more of a figurehead than a X’s and O’s guy, and it’s nice to see a coach with some fire. But I also think he has to show restraint and be above the minor distractions that drag others down. He must also be a bit of a politician and leader.
The charges against him may be false. I don’t know.
In spite of the fact that he appears to be an oaf at times, I like the positive message he is giving the team. Also the more the Raiders win, the smarter he appears.
He was truly the last option to be the coach, but he grows on people.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
earlier in the season many on here wanted the anchor benched.my take was,along with some others,bench him to see if he is the main problem.imo,the last few weeks have shown that he is the main problem.as NYC says,as of now we are 3-2 post anchor and if Gradkowski hadn’t gotten hurt we could have very well been 4-1.maybe Cable is right when he says we aren’t that far off.our young WRs will be better next year,our Def. seems to improve weekly.if we can get the Oline straightened out we could be a force.
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Lefty
Do you know anything about punctuation, grammar. Your posts are hard to follow.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Scapegoating “The Anchor” does no good. We SHOULD have won the opening night game AND the KC game coming out of the bye BECAUSE of the anchor, but if “if’s” were 5ths. Murphy drops a TD pass at the half, our ST gives up huge returns, our defense gives up 3rd and 17’s in the 4th qtr TWICE that ended up leading to TDs. And well ALL know DHB’s dropped TD pass in the KC game, Murphy’s huge gainer being called back b/c of penalty, Jano’s missed FG, and Millers screen play to the 4 yd line was called back due to penalty.
Our red zone defense is so much better now than it was earlier in the year. Our zone defense is getting better. Like Cable said, the young players are maturing. The TEAM is simply playing a lot better now than it was earlier in the year.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
After watching Frye, I noticed he has the same problem as JaMarcus.
Whenever he gets pressure in the pocket he tries to sprint out to his right to buy time.
That ususually will land him right in the path of the DLE. Or if he avoids that, it cuts the field and options in half.
I think Gradkowski learned the Pittsburgh QB way to step up into the pocket. It’s kind of like avoiding cars by running through traffic. But it works. Frye needs to work on that or else it may limit his game and career.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
The Bush TD run, Walker collapsed the left side with the TE with the kickout block. Bush was untouched.
Do you think, Davis/Cable can get over whatever their problem is with Bush?
December 20th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Looks like Russell like is the only one who can stay healthy behind that line.
Charlie Fryes arm is weak as a motha. He’s no Bruce Gradkowski.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Sorry KK,I’ll try and do better for you.
Jhill,that is where we disagree.While I agree we should have won both of those games,imo,if the anchor had preformed better we wouldn’t have had to have Murphy’s TD,and we wouldn’t have needed the last second heroics from the anchor in the KC game.We should have been way ahead in both games.It was because of him that we were in tight games.He played poorly in both games until the end.I know you don’t see it that way,but that is how I saw those games playing out.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I don’t get the Frye criticism. Schillens dropped a nice what 20-30 yd TD pass?
I thought Frye played pretty well. The Oline was AWFUL protecting the QB until Cable called the bootleg. It was pretty much our game from there.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
KK-on that we can agree.I hope they can and do get over their problem with him.He needs to be in game more.
December 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Lefty
The passing game has gotten a lot better since Bey mysteriously went down, no?
December 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
JaM0nkey Gump still sucks. He got lucky today, and a good day to do it by beating the donkeys. Donkey fans are completely classless….
December 20th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Billboard goes up
Bey goes down.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Jhill,don’t take this wrong,but are you an ex-QB?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Looks like Russell like is the only one who can stay healthy behind that line.
Charlie Fryes arm is weak as a motha. He’s no Bruce Gradkowski.
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The ball looked like a duck when he threw it.
Just watching the difference between the throws makes you realize how much arm JaMarcus has. And how much he is wasting.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
JaM0nkey Gump goes down
Raiders win pct goes up
December 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I wonder why their best back, Michael Bush, was allowed to play?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
I wonder why their best back, Michael Bush, was allowed to play?
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Justin “runs with violence” Fargas got hurt early.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Yes,KK,much better.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Lefty,
If you agree we should have won both games, then, uhh, we don’t disagree, lol.
We scored 24 pts in the opening night game. Murphy holds on to that ball, it’s 28 pts on the board instead of 24. AND, on the first drive of the game, Murphy cuts his route off and Jammer gets the pick. MIMIMUM 3 pts there too. And please don’t tell me that wasn’t a bad route by Murphy b/c even Mike and Mike were all over him on that play. And your telling me #2 played bad? I didn’t even mention McFadden’s fumble at the 50 yd line, lol!
And the 2nd KC game, I think we were down 3 pts when Cable made the switch, right? DHBs TD and Jano’s miss wouldn’t have mattered? 26 pts and the lead instead of 16 and down 3 pts wouldn’t have made a difference?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
When Bush plays and rushes for over 100 yards we win. So why isn’t he starting?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
It’s amazing, isn’t it?
The Raiders start their worst running back and their worst quarterback for half the season.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Kirk Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
It’s amazing, isn’t it?
The Raiders start their worst running back and their worst quarterback for half the season.
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And Receiver!!!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
I’ve played a little QB in my day, lol!
Run down to the red car, turn around, and I’ll hit you, on 2!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Einstein
Don’t you think it’s a bit presumptuous for a retard like you to front that handle?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
NorthernD – I saw the same thing. Sometimes Frye would roll out to the right for no good reason and he actually put himself under pressure in doing so…the pocket was holding but in his mind, it was collapsing and he’d run into the defenders instead of waiting 1 more second in the pocket and making a decision. Its a flaw that can hopefully be corrected by the coaching staff.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
So are you guys really saying that you think Frye and Russell should NOT try and buy more time by moving out of the pocket? They should stay in there one more second and then step up?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Congrats to the players for fighting all game long to get the surprising win.
Crazy game….3 QB’s used today for the team and they still put out an significant divisional win on the road.
Could’nt believe Russell made up for his crappy play at home last week to drive the team down for game winning drive.
Kudos to him for actually stepping up…..but they still need to restructure his contract down after this season and still lose 15-20 pounds and get in good shape if he is going to compete for the starting QB job. Nothing should be to handed to him.
Nice to see Bush have another late in season break out game.
This win is probably far more important to Cable then anyone else. If he wins another game…..the old looney man Al will probably end up keeping him around for another season and see if he can improve.
If that is the case……then the old man still needs to hire a GM/Head of Personnel/Head of Football Ops to do a better job managing the draft then he sure as heck does……and Cable needs to hire a better play caller/O-Coordinator than he is.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
24,
I imagine nerves probably had something to do with it as well. It’s been a while since he’s played for real.
Perhaps he can be ready for the next game and we’ll see some more improvement. Shake some of the rust off.
But it does make Gradkowski appear like the best QB option at this point. His game is more refined.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
DKnight,
Branch, Huff, Nnamdi, Scott, Shaugnessy, Mitchell, Murphy, Bush, DMAC, Henderson, Lechler, Jano, Schillens, and Howard.
Al’s draft’s have actaully not been that bad lately.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I think the players like Cable. I saw a lot of them hugging and slapping him when things went well.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Just got through watching the game.
THANK YOU DIRECTV DVR!
1. Henderson SUCKS!
2. Cable should have called a QB Sneak on 3rd and goal.
3. Forget keeping all 3 backs, Raiders need at least 5 QBs behind this O-line.
4. Both Bush and McFadden had fumbles again today, but Bush got lucky with the Raiders recovering his.
5. RUSSELL STILL SUCKS. FUMBLED, HAD HIS ARM HIT MULTIPLE TIMES, AND THREW PASSES INTO DOUBLE COVERAGE. (All of these situations would be turnovers most of the time)
6. Lossman play was funny. “OH SH*T, this isn’t the UFL!”
December 20th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Come on Jhill.Against SD he was 12-30 for 208 yds ;2 ints;and 1 lost fumble.
Against KC he was 7-24 for 109 yds.Hardly numbers to one would want from their starting QB.Besides the numbers his game awareness is terrible.However,we have gone over this time and again.BTW,I was watching the SD game with some friends who aren’t necessarily Raider fans and one mentioned he didn’t realize Russell was as bad as he looked in that game.Besides that,the proof is in the last few games.When we had 2 QBs who probably have less talent playing we looked like an NFL team.When the anchor played we looked terrible,except for todays last drive.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
So are you guys really saying that you think Frye and Russell should NOT try and buy more time by moving out of the pocket? They should stay in there one more second and then step up?
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Stay in the pocket, then when they feel pressure, step up.
Dan Marino was the king of shuffling forward a couple of steps and avoiding a sack. Gradkowski has learned from him I beleive.
When he steps up, he avoids the ends who have to stop and redirect.
He gets a throwing lane to pass the ball.
He has an option of taking off and running.
He has the entire field to throw to.
And if he gets sacked, it’s only for a few yards instead of 15.
It’s just very difficult to teach a QB because it’s instinctive to run away from trouble instead of into it.
Like if a dog bites your hand. You should push your hand into the dog’s mouth instead of pulling away. That way the dog will choke instead of ripping your hand apart.
Phillps Rivers probably does it better than anyone playing now.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
JaM0neky Gump is probably wolfing down a Fatburger about right now…
December 20th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
# jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
DKnight,
Branch, Huff, Nnamdi, Scott, Shaugnessy, Mitchell, Murphy, Bush, DMAC, Henderson, Lechler, Jano, Schillens, and Howard.
Al’s draft’s have actaully not been that bad lately.
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Ah…my apologies….Al Davis needs to stop making picks in the first two rounds of draft….and needs to make better decisions when it comes to coaching and letting coaches coach and not meddling around.
Al Davis has neglected the D-Line and MLB positions and RG/RT positions long enough.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
75,
LMFAO at #3 and #5.
This isn’t the UFL ….LOL!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
24,
I imagine nerves probably had something to do with it as well. It’s been a while since he’s played for real.
Perhaps he can be ready for the next game and we’ll see some more improvement. Shake some of the rust off.
But it does make Gradkowski appear like the best QB option at this point. His game is more refined.
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Grads needs to come back without a doubt!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Lefty,
As bad as you say Russell played that game we still scored 24 pts, right? 2 INTS? Yeah, the one Murphy caused and the hail mary on the last play of the game, lol! I’ll just leave it at Murphy dropping the TD pass at the half. That alone gives us 28 pts and the win!
KC game, we had 16pt when he was pulled, right? DHB’s dropped TD and Jano’s missed FG would have given us 26 pts, right? In the 3rd qtr, right.
If the TEAM scores 28 offensive pts in a game, you can hardly point to the QB as the reason they lost.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
# jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
DKnight,
Branch, Huff, Nnamdi, Scott, Shaugnessy, Mitchell, Murphy, Bush, DMAC, Henderson, Lechler, Jano, Schillens, and Howard.
Al’s draft’s have actaully not been that bad lately.
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The thing is, the Raiders haven’t won more that 5 games in 6 years.
I never believed all these players were busts. Just misused.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Honestly, I don’t understand how an owner like AL Davis who supposedly has more knowledge about football than most of us in here, can’t seem to address this team needs year after year. Since the past seven years our offensive and defensive line has been the weakest unit, how in the world does Cornhead Green still be the starting RT in this team, we have a backup center and old RG, we have a fat RT converted to LG, Mario Henderson game is not consistent, Tommy Kelly and Warren play makes me puke, Morrison doesn’t not intimidate any running back like Ray Lewis does. I love this team, I dont say I am a genuis but sometimes if you watch football enough, you realize that Al Davis has lost his knowledge in evaluating talent for this team, if we benched JR in week 3 or 4, we could have been competing, if we drafted Crabtree we would have had a legitimate go to guy on third downs, if if f if, thats all the past, but shouldn’t Al as an Owner and a GM realize what most of us see if he watches NFL games? Whats holding this old man back, is it money or just plain being arrogant? Personally, I feel Al will realize he needs to bring the fans back to Oakland and will resign Grad and Frye and address our weakness, if it doesn’t happen, as a fan i dream about it. We won today, we will next year, AL i hope you change. Go Raiderssssssssssssssssssssssss
December 20th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Zach Miller and Mike Mitchell have been our last 2 2nd rd picks, and they are both playing really well. DHB and Russell are making it seem a lot worse than it really is.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Well it certainly seems that way on defense, KK. A lot of these players are doing well under Marhsall. And it seems that we all agree that at a minimum Cable needs an OC next year, so that probably rings true for the offense as well.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Billboard goes up
Al Davis butts out.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Michael Bush allowed to play, did hell freeze over?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
as you rightly pointed out earlier-IF,IF,IF.Even with all those things happening,IF he had performed as he should have,those mistakes would have meant nothing.Good QBs overcome those errors,he can’t at this point in his career.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
He did today Lefty. See what happens IF the WRs catch the TD pass? See what happens IF the defense doesn’t give up a score after the go ahead TD late in the game. See what happens IF the Oline actually blocks for someone? See what happens IF a TD isn’t called back because of a penalty.
You can have your IFs, IF you let me keep mine, lol!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Do you honestly believe we would have been in position to win that game today IF he had started?I give him credit for coming through today,but i hope we don’t have to rely on him for any length of playing time.Been there,seen that!
December 20th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
# jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Well it certainly seems that way on defense, KK. A lot of these players are doing well under Marhsall. And it seems that we all agree that at a minimum Cable needs an OC next year, so that probably rings true for the offense as well.
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If Cable stays, then whoever they bring on as playcaller or OC, better keep the same offensive terminology and just figure out ways to get DMC more involved on screens, in the wildcat, in the slot.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Anyone notice how polite and happy it is on the site today?
Is it the Christmas season? Or just beating the donkeys?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
The passing offense has been a lot better since Bey was out.
Billboard goes up
Bey get’s a foot injury?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
# jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Zach Miller and Mike Mitchell have been our last 2 2nd rd picks, and they are both playing really well. DHB and Russell are making it seem a lot worse than it really is.
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The turnover on the coaching staff has been ridiculous and the draft strategy and management of the first round has been terrible.
Mike Mitchell still has a ways to go….he needs to improve his cover skills….badly.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Louis Murphy is a Playmaker.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
The passing offense has been a lot better since Bey was out.
Billboard goes up
Bey get’s a foot injury?
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Since the team has been playing better with him out, you can be sure he won’t be back in until the foot is 150% healthy.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Since the team has been playing better with him out, you can be sure he won’t be back in until the foot is 150% healthy.
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I wish, though he is teacher’s pet.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Didn’t the injury occur before the billboard?
December 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Do you honestly believe we would have been in position to win that game today IF he had started?
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No I don’t. He hasn’t earned the right to start like I’ve said 1000 times. Even earlier today, and I know you know that!
But it still doesn’t change the fact that the TEAM lost the opening game, not Russell. Russell is ONE of many players that could have played better on opening night and the KC game coming out of the bye, not the ONLY player. Win as a team, lose as a team.
December 20th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
That’s a good point DKnight …
We don’t need to go through new terminology and all.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:00 am
Lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Didn’t the injury occur before the billboard?
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No.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:02 am
LOL …
So what if folks say “we are 2-1 without DHB in the lineup. Just think if we would have benched him 10 games ago?”
December 21st, 2009 at 12:02 am
Did you notice the blitzing today?
Billboard goes up
Davis butts out.
You know why?
He’s not taking the blame for anything.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:02 am
Jhill,while I agree with that statement,it has been shown the last few weeks that 1 player can make a huge difference in how the team performs.What is the old saying-you are only as strong as your weakest link.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:04 am
Wasn’t sure KK.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:06 am
Seymour & Ellis have added a lot of character to that defense.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:11 am
Lefty,
Was wrong about the pts in the 2nd KC game. We were down 13-10, not 20-16 when Russell was pulled, according to Raiders.com.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:16 am
“Light at the end of the tunnel? Who knows. But the Raiders are *&^%$#@ amazing, aren’t they? Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hydes of the NFL.
How tough it was for Cable to start with two rookie wrs and a totally raw qb. And all the guys that post here put him down. The guy’s got guts and his players still play 60 minutes (to the second!).”
Totally agree. Cable has his team playing hard…they just don’t execute on a regular basis. Mostly a youth problem, to me…but some talent and skill issues also. The coaching as far – getting players to play hard seems fine.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:18 am
# jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
That’s a good point DKnight …
We don’t need to go through new terminology and all.
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Kinda like what USC did this past year….they hire Bates from Denver to call the plays and takeover from Sarkisian, but they made him learn the already set offensive playbook and terminology……instead of the other way around where a new OC is hired and he brings in own terminology and everyone on the freakin offense has to go through a learning curve in a short period of time. Thats no good.
If a new OC is hired to call plays for Cable, then Cable should give the OC the play book and he has call plays from that and he can add a few of his own wrinkles of course as time goes on.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:19 am
Jhill,it doesn’t make any difference,but didn’t DHB drop the TD in the 2nd KC game,and wasn’t it thrown by Gradkowski(or was that a different drop)?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:25 am
Yeah, DHB dropped TWO TD passes that game. The one from Russell in the first half, and the one from Grads that could’ve won it.
The next game, Grads’ first start, he threw the ball to DHB AT LEAST 8 times and dude had ZERO catches and made Grads look really bad. Cable came to his senses on the last drive and featured Schillens and Miller, and whahlah … our first win in a long time.
Soooo …
We are 2-1 since we benched DHB. Imagine if we had benched him 10 games ago?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:27 am
Can you imagine how tough this defense would potentially be if they added a man like Suh in the draft and plug him at the DT/UT spot?
Then add a true MLB?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:31 am
ya,but we are 3-2 since we benched the anchor and one of those loses was the sacrificial Thanksgiving Day game.The other lose was a 1 position game until the anchor took over in the 2nd half and then we got blown out due in large part to his terrible play.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:34 am
hill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Personally, I’d like to see Walker stay at G. Notice how much power stuff we are seeing on that side of the ball? Look at Walker in the Pitts game after him and Cable “talked” about what plays would work best for Walker. Notice how that left side of the line looked this week vs. last when Morris was in there? Walker is making difference inside.
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Been saying it since Walker was signed.
His future here will be as a RG or now LG possibly if Gallery can’t come back next year.
He will bring more power to the run game G and he will probably be a better pass protector in the box compared to being too inconsistent as a Tackle.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:36 am
BTW,your argument doesn’t hold water because Russell never threw to his WRs in most games.And why has Murphy looked so good since Russell has been benched while looking so bad when he played?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:41 am
oh well,it makes no difference now.We won this week against the donkeys-that is the main thing.As Hayes says-it’s a great day to be a Raider fan -or something like that!
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 am
jhill Says;
We are 2-1 since we benched DHB. Imagine if we had benched him 10 games ago?
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Imagine if they never drafted him?
December 21st, 2009 at 1:05 am
NorthernD Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
The passing offense has been a lot better since Bey was out.
Billboard goes up
Bey get’s a foot injury?
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Since the team has been playing better with him out, you can be sure he won’t be back in until the foot is 150% healthy.
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are you saying he will be back when he grows a couple of extra toes???
December 21st, 2009 at 1:07 am
“Pretty fun,” Cable said. “I’ll bet you all counted us out, too.”
………
Just like you and 90% of Raider fans counted Russell out, you fat, woman beating scumbag.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:14 am
This next years draft I am really liking DT Gerald McCoy from Oklahoma as our first pick with either a QB or OT in the 2nd round. I wouldn’t be surprised if our first 2 picks are both McCoys, DT Gerald and QB Colt from Texas… Top 10 is too high to draft a RT unless we draft OT Russell Okung from Oklahoma State and have him be our LT and move Mario Henderson to RT… I don’t care, just was long as we get rid of damn Cornell Greene….
December 21st, 2009 at 1:15 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 1:05 am
NorthernD Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
The passing offense has been a lot better since Bey was out.
Billboard goes up
Bey get’s a foot injury?
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Since the team has been playing better with him out, you can be sure he won’t be back in until the foot is 150% healthy.
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are you saying he will be back when he grows a couple of extra toes???
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I’d settle for two working feet, and two working hands.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:21 am
Same “Raider fans” clearly rooting for Denver when Russell was in the lineup:
# lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
YES!
(right after the play when Russell gets the ball knocked out of his hands)
# Kush Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Hahahahahahahahahah. No pocket presence at all.
(after the same play. Notice the jovial laughter)
# art shells clipboard Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
That’s all we need Jadufus to lead us to victory!!! I’d rather we go three and out.
(so would every Bronco fan, Art)
December 21st, 2009 at 1:43 am
i usually ignore you and don’t respond to your gibberish,but the YES post was an answer to Mistabrown’s question about Priest.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:44 am
but i believe you already knew that!
December 21st, 2009 at 1:49 am
I say give Al the game ball: right between the eyes at about 80 miles an hour.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:00 am
Really? When you followed with this?
# lefty12 Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
the worst part is if he leads us to a win,which most of us want(the win that is),someone will come on here and pull the i told you so-see what he can do crap.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:02 am
Read the time stamp, everyone. He leaves this comment when that drive is still going, BEFORE the TD. What kind of fan even thinks that way when a game against Denver is on the line?
December 21st, 2009 at 2:23 am
Man,
Awesome win today. I see that Mr. is happy rooting for Jawalrus again. BTW, he sucks. No pocket presence whatsoever. No leadership either. Thank goodness we are starting Frye next week.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:31 am
You don’t even know what pocket presence is, other than when you stick your hand in your own pocket and play with your roll of pennies, thinking no one notices…
December 21st, 2009 at 2:33 am
And, since nobody here knows anything about football, allow me to say that “pocket presence” means nothing when you have no offensive line. Gradkowski had pocket presence. Inured. Frye had pocket presence. Injured. Russell has no pocket presence, I’ll agree. And he’s taken some shots. Still standing. Maybe Frye and Gradkowski are just fragile wusses? You decide.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:35 am
Nice. In one sentence you say I dont know what pocket presence is and the next post you say you agree with me. Good one bro.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:42 am
Ok, bro. You got me, bro. Frye and Gradkowski really have a pocket presence now, in their hospital beds. A QB with a pocket presence and .50 gets you a newspaper if you don’t have an offensive line. But how can we expect you to know that? You think Al’s god.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:42 am
bro.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:44 am
As if Al Davis designed this team for quarterbacks with a pocket presence! Haaaaa haaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bro.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:47 am
In our system, quarterbacks are going to get f’n drilled. You need a QB with some size. Little scrambling WCO types of QBs won’t work in this system. They will get killed. See GRADKOWSKI, Bruce, and FRYE, Charlie.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:50 am
Bro
December 21st, 2009 at 3:54 am
Did anyone else laugh when Kelly’s pants were around his legs I almost had a heart attack I was laughing so hard .
December 21st, 2009 at 4:30 am
RAIDERS WIN! Now thats the old school do or die Raiders I remember.
Wild games with wild finishes…
December 21st, 2009 at 4:35 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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KoolKell Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Einstein
Don’t you think it’s a bit presumptuous for a retard like you to front that handle?
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OMG….now THATS funny =) LMAO
December 21st, 2009 at 4:56 am
my man Brinkley had 7 tackles (solo) and a forced fumble in their debacle against the NC Panthers…
December 21st, 2009 at 5:00 am
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December 21st, 2009 at 5:00 am
Russell was 5 for 11 with a touchdown, a fumble and a sack…
remarkably… he did NOT have an interception…
still… not stellar numbers… not enough for me to want him in a Raider uniform… this year… next year… ever…
December 21st, 2009 at 5:08 am
Your boy Bush did good Pete
he O-line was Huge,helps alot.
Bush Dmac or Fargas still cant get in from the 1 yd line.And you would think with that massive O-line they could.Anyway GREAT WIN vs. donkeys in denver.Lets hope they can do it again in ICE-Cold Cleavland.Raiders always seem to do good in the cold.Even in the Cardiac Kidz days
December 21st, 2009 at 5:10 am
Is it just me or did JR actually look good throwing the ball when he came in. I thought his footwork looked much improved and for the most part his accuracy was right on the money.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:21 am
Gotta admit,when Papa and Plunkett in interviewed #2 after the game he was very professional and respectful.He prolly NEVER faced this kind of scrunity B4 and maybe just maybe next camp he comes in with a more responsible attitude.Time will tell.#2 also said he was learning on the fly which isnt good,imo.He still needs to REALLY dedicate himself.Even tho like we all said what would you do coming from humble but solid beginnings and have MILLIONS dropped on you?He still is 2 years away,imo
December 21st, 2009 at 5:27 am
maddenraiderfan Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 5:10 am
Is it just me or did JR actually look good throwing the ball when he came in. I thought his footwork looked much improved and for the most part his accuracy was right on the money.
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answer: it’s just you.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:37 am
Florida Pete….no…Him and his boyfriend.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:48 am
Good Morning Nation, The Only Nation.
I said it here first when Russell was benched he will come back next year, but not as a starter but to compete to be the starter. He will be in shape and he will study the playbook, i think he is realizing what it feels like to win in the NFL. He knows he let his team, the fans, and himself down.
Now on the other hand i still think Cable gets stripped of playcalling and sticks to being a coach. I still think we get rid of the zone blocking.
I find it amazing that when Russell doesnt play we run more, and when he comes in all of a sudden we get pass happy. Is this Cable or the man upstairs?.
Russell could have been better with a solid run game like Frye and Gradkowski gets. He does need better pocket presence, and they do need qick hits to WR’s, and yes they do need to run the ball more.
Like i said before Jmac is at fault for his mistakes, but he is not at fault for the teams losses.
December 21st, 2009 at 5:52 am
Mile HIGH DRAMA…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_regular_season
Way to go Raiders!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 5:52 am
Wow i’am so glad we didnt “RANDY MOSS” that game
December 21st, 2009 at 5:58 am
Mike Mitchell is becoming my favorite Raider, love the attitude he carries with him. He stands up for his teamates. His coverage is below average but he makes up for it with attitude and fortitude. Next year watch out. The hit that Huff put on B-Marshall at the end was solid and Mitchell stood there and just stared at Huff and then B-Marshall like he was pissed it wasnt him lol. The hit on Orton was a little dirty but hey teams have been doing that to us for a while now, time to hit back.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:00 am
Sure he is….when you (not you) throw the ball into the dirt its your fault.Murphy got a delay of game penalty because #2 STILL throws it into the dirt
December 21st, 2009 at 6:03 am
Thankx 4 da link Nnamdi21 =)
December 21st, 2009 at 6:05 am
Gradkowski overthrew the ball 2 times in 1 game that could have been TD’s, and Frye had worse #’s then Russell in 3 quarters not to mention his passes hit the dirt also. See sometimes you need to get into rythm. That M-Bush drop how does that help Russell mentaly, C-Schilens is the only WR that will catch a Russell dart. He just throws to hard.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:11 am
True dat.And if Chaz or Miller are the only ones that can catch a #2 missle well then we will continue to have problems,imo
December 21st, 2009 at 6:13 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Great, Great win yesterday! I almost lost my voice telling the whole Bronco sideline to F off!!! Haha!
But just showing my passion and my hatred for the Donks…!
R8dr4lfe…I saw that! Mitchell is slowly becoming the 21st Century Assassin with his stare downs! Huff did put a whooping on Marshall with that hit though! I was like…OOOHHHH!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 6:16 am
It was amazing the way Mitchell stared him down he was really pissed lol.
Also look closely at how he forearmed Orton after the hit, and also his play recognition when he was going to blitz but picked up Jordan coming out of the backfield. He was a little late but he would have caught him before the first down.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:17 am
I even saw Fargas get pissed after a run and the D-Linemen was still on top of him kinda keeping him down, Fargas wanted to go after him but was held back. I think this team is finally saying F-This no more pushing us around.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:19 am
I know…I got the game on tivo…
I’ll probably watch it again this afternoon when I get home!
I just hope we can finally back it up with a win next week in Cleveland! Denver went from #5 to #6 now because their record is identical to the Ravens and the Ravens beat them earlier this year. Haha! we did it again! (Now only if we can do it for ourselves and get in the fn playoffs!)
December 21st, 2009 at 6:21 am
Yeah, that was BS! Fargas jumped up and wanted to kick some arse! I like the fire that this team is now playing with! Jeremey Newberry said after the game that it looks like the team is starting to trust each other and having each others backs! Man, I hope so…
December 21st, 2009 at 6:21 am
I still like Gradkowski he is a worker, love his passion and the way he lifts his teamates even Russell. He stands next to Cable and is very active even when he is out. Also wearing short sleeves on the sidelines dude is showing his teamates hey i’m cold also lets go.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:25 am
Russell has no choice but to work harder if he wants to play in this league. He is surrounded by work horses that do not have his talent. They are outperforming him, and he see’s that. Henderson talked to him in the huddle kinda keeping his spirits up and Russell welcomed it. Not to mention he got teary eyed after the TD throw to Schilens. He is getting it but now will have to work for it to gain back his teamates.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:27 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. I AM PROBABLY THE ONLY GUY IN HERE THAT LIKE’D GOING ON 4′TH AND GOAL, THOUGHT THE -PLAY CALL WAS GOOD TO, DEFENSE JUST MADE A GREAT PLAY, IT HAPPEN’S..
December 21st, 2009 at 6:28 am
I know if Jamarcus would have went 9 of 17 for less than 70 yards, a pathetic INT thrown of his back foot and had mustered up 13 points through 55 minutes, most people, and admittadly myself, would pile on him for a bad game.
Frye seemed a little more in charge, but the proof is in the pudding, he didn’t play that well.
Just have to be fair. He is no Bruce.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:31 am
Before jumping back on the JaLoser bandwagon, remember that Denver did not game plan him. They played him like Frye. On the throws he completed, there was not a lot of pressure and the line blocked well. As JerryMac pointed out, the first series was not good. Thank You defense for winning the game.
Fire Cable for stupidity for trying to go up the middle 4 times for a score. Idiot almost lost it there. But a win is a win! Go Raiders and Herrera, change Al’s Depends, I can smell it all they way in NW Ohio!
December 21st, 2009 at 6:31 am
Nope Dirt-Lot excellent call on 4th down.I woulda went fot it 1000 times out of 1000times =)
December 21st, 2009 at 6:32 am
foRRRRRRRRRRRRR
December 21st, 2009 at 6:33 am
Good Morning Dirt Lot and Vegas…
Dirt Lot…no, I liked the call. Cable wanted to get some more confidence in his O. Denver played it well…like you said…it happens!
Vegas…you’re right. Frye did not look spectacular and I still think that he will not be starting anywhere else…but he did manage the game well! Well, better than Russell. But I give props to Russell for getting it done despite the hits on his arm, that one hit that took him out for a play, and the fumble. I was very happy that he found Chaz in the end zone!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 6:34 am
vegas raider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 6:28 am
I know if Jamarcus would have went 9 of 17 for less than 70 yards, a pathetic INT thrown of his back foot and had mustered up 13 points through 55 minutes, most people, and admittadly myself, would pile on him for a bad game.
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For JaMarcus, 13 points in 3 quarters would have been a terrific performance. LMFAO
December 21st, 2009 at 6:34 am
I loved how the hit Huff put on Marshall, thats the way to go
December 21st, 2009 at 6:35 am
Hey Vegas you still have a chance in FF.Steve Smith might havs a career day vs.Meangelo
December 21st, 2009 at 6:36 am
I loved the Mike Mitchell hit on the last kickoff. Completely flattened the guy and he didn’t get up so quickly. Next play, Greg Ellis nails Kyle Orton and causes a fumble, two plays later Huff nails Marshall.
Now that’s how you close out a W against a division rival!!!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 6:37 am
Mike Mitchell is going to be good, he is always close to the ball or hitting somebody, he needs some time to develop into a full time safety.
Schilens is good too, we need to keep passing the ball to him, he can catch a football.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:38 am
4eva,
LOL, I was feeling good going into the afternoon games, than his QB and TE almost got 100 points!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 6:40 am
I see that.WOWWWWW
it took 2 career days by 2 players.But like I said Smith vs.Angela lol!!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 6:41 am
And Michael Bush has to be the RB1 going into the last 2 games. He is our leading rusher with 500+ yards with 5 average per carry, and while he is slower he has clearly the best vision of all 3 running after his blockers and waiting for the hole.
McFadden should be in motion 90% of the plays and running outside the tackles, not going through the middle, we have Bush to do that.
Bench Fargas.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:43 am
Anyone here knows why the fight started after Denver TD pass?
I liked that little fight, the players really wanted the win yesterday.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:46 am
Bush has the best patience and vision of our backs.
See the McFadden fumble. Runs right into his FB, Lawton, who ends up throwing a good block, but Darren wasn’t patient.
240 yards, one sack allowed, and Dumervil held to only a single assisted tackle.
Where’s Charlie?? How bout that O-line partner? Dominated the game.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:48 am
Raiders average 7.1 ypc, Denver 2.8
We gave up one sack, they gave up 3.
Advantage, handily, Oakland Raiders.
Clady who?? LOL
December 21st, 2009 at 6:49 am
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December 21st, 2009 at 6:49 am
Yep I dont know who it was but our defenseive was getting blocked legally by a donkey and then another donkey came up from behind and nailed our defensive guy in the back….
December 21st, 2009 at 6:50 am
As ALWAYS THANK YOU Exla
December 21st, 2009 at 6:53 am
Yes Vegas, the long run by McFadden, he had a CB to beat for the TD and a Raiders WR was there to block (Watkins I think), but McFadden ran straight to the CB, out of bounds, end of the play.
Thats why I like Bush: best vision and patience of our RBs.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:55 am
McFadden is trying to hard right now wanting to be successful and he loses focus. He just needs more touches and the game will slow down for him, injuries dont help.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:55 am
Thanks 4evaRaider,
I think it was Seymour. I didn’t know if that was the reason or it was because Scott hit Orton late in the play.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:56 am
McFadden is trying to hard right now wanting to be successful and he loses focus. He just needs more touches and the game will slow down for him, injuries dont help.
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Absolutely agree. Bench Fargas, play Bush and McFadden. At 5-9 we don’t have nothing to lose and a lot to win.
December 21st, 2009 at 6:59 am
Also i think we ran more power blocking and less zone, thats why i think we had a better run game. Bush see’s the hole hit it, Mcfadden sweep to the outside that should be our game plan. Run some no huddle keep the D out of sync, with quick strikes get the CB’s playing closer and hit it over the top.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:00 am
Good morning Vegas,
I enjoy the dialogue but you can NOT be serious looking at sacks allowed as a measure of an Oline’s effectiveness.
Yesterday’s game demeonstrates our Oline problems.
Peyton Manning NEVER gets hit like our QB’S did yesterday.
Frye and Grad are mobile and both are out at this point. JR gets knocked out for a play. Lossman could not step into a throw and could have been hurt.
This is the most significant problem the Raiders have as a team. It must be priority one for us to return to the playoffs.
Second to the Oline is reapportioning the salaries of JR and Kelly. (Warren’s contract is up and he will be gone).
JR is not affordable given his slow development.
He either takes a much lower salary or he will be gone.
NO ONE in the NFL will pay him big money. No one.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:02 am
We NEED to beat Cleveland this week.
We beat 4 playoff caliber teams in Bengals, Eagles, Broncos and Steelers.
We need to beat Cleveland now (they just beat KC in Kansas City), Baltimore is going to be a very hard game because they will be in the playoff hunt in week 17.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:04 am
Didnt get many sacks on our QB, but did get a lot of hurries. The O-Line needs help bad, but with a power blocking and more running game, it will open up the pass. You cant pin you’re ears back and rush the passer when you’re run game is working.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:04 am
Did Bush save Cable’s job again?
God I hope not. How many years can Cable squeeze out of late season wins handed to him by players that he ignored for the first 3/4ths of the season?
December 21st, 2009 at 7:06 am
I think Cables stays as he is the only who wants to be here. I do think he loses some of his duties though. He cannot call a good game. It is almost like he reads these blogs and calls the game accoringly to what we write lol.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:07 am
I think Henderson did a respectable job with Dumberbil, remember he is the sacks NFL leader with 15. I thought we were going to have a TE helping him most of the game, but he was one-on-one with him most of the game.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:09 am
Henderson is also much cheaper then Clady.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:09 am
I think Cable will be our HC next season. He wants to be here and he has locker room support.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:09 am
Vegas
I am happy we won.
You make a good point about the rushing performance but that is only half the job of the Oline.
That is why it is the most important unit on the team.
You need to pass block as well.
We did not dominate anything.
We won by a point against a team that is struggling.
All of our wins have been LAST MINUTE wins.
That is a testament to character not dominance.
Cable gets a ton of credit and we are headed in the right direction.
We are not a playoff team because we do not win the majority of the line of scrimmage battles, WEEK IN AND WEEK OUT.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:10 am
Was there anyone on the face of the planet that didn’t know Cable was going to pitch it outside to McFadden on that 4th and goal play?
You can’t keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect teams not to pick up on it.
If Cable is back next season we damned well better have an offensive coordinator and Cable better be stripped of deciding who gets to play. He should be limited to calling time outs and giving his pre and post game speeches.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:14 am
Forgot about the pitch to McFadden where he cut to the inside instead of the corner. Even the commentator said he should have used his 4.3 speed to the corner!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:14 am
Tommy Kelly….what can I say?
That was a classic moment that will live forever! Not quite at the top with Steve Lyons, but pretty damned close lol.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:14 am
Cable should have called the outside pitch to McFadden in first or second down, when they think we are running over the middle. Either way McFadden should have outrun the LB going to the outside instead of cutting through the middle.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:17 am
He would have never made it to the outside, come on.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:17 am
Charlie,
First off, of course I am overexaggerating it a bit, slight sarcasm gets lost in translation when typing.
I’m a stats guy, so the best way I know how to judge an O-line is rushing yards, YPC, and sacks allowed. Surely that isn’t the only way to look at these things, but it is A WAY to do so, and the way I prefer.
I say QB’s are going to get hit in the NFL. To think that we are going to have a game where the QB doesn’t get hit, I mean that is pretty lofty standards, no? Peyton doesn’t get hit the same, becuase he knows how to turn from the hit last minute, the Colts played the same team we played yesterday, and I’m sure Peyton had the same guys running at him as well.
I’m not saying our O-line is best in the league or anything, but if they are capable of dominating, at least for Run-Blocking, like they did yesterday, than the level of how bad the O-line is greatly exaggerated in here, IMO.
And good morning to you sir!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:18 am
Cleveland Brown must have the most unknown roster in the league. They don’t have any ‘’start” on the team, they have at least 4 rookie players starting. If we can keep their return game quiet (J Cribbs) we should be talking about another win next week.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:18 am
“star” sorry
December 21st, 2009 at 7:19 am
McFadden seen the opening and tried his 4.3 speed to hit it, but it closed quickly. He might have made it if he ran outside but who knows. All i know as that the O-Line had no push on the 3 plays before witch led to the pitch.
Thats why i say not 1 player wins or loses games it’s a team effort. 3 plays with no push leads to a sweep, 1 play where the D-Linmen gets a hit on the ball from the QB, next play false start. This team is not good enough to play with mistakes. McFadden hold on to the freakin ball, Bush quit taking yourself out of games, Murphy quit whining, Green quit false starting.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:19 am
Dumervil had one lonely assist on a tackle.
Worst game of the year for him.
Kudo’s to Henderson and the whole O-line.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:20 am
I’m not saying our O-line is best in the league or anything, but if they are capable of dominating, at least for Run-Blocking, like they did yesterday, than the level of how bad the O-line is greatly exaggerated in here, IMO.
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lmao…a team that has two 100 yard rushing games by a RB all season is capable of dominating? Yeah right.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:20 am
He would have never made it to the outside, come on.
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It wasnt really a bad play, if you see the replay it was the 3rd Broncos defender the one who prevents the TD. First and second defender didntt stop McFadden, just slowed him down. Good defensive play by Denver.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:22 am
Vegas,
I just don’t get how you can defend the Oline’s pass protection. You’re n ot looking at the whole body of work.
Cornell Green is a disaster!
How many whiffs do you need to see from Satele?
Carlisle is serviceable at best.
And Morris is a trooper, but NOT starting material.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:23 am
McFadden remains an indisputed bust. Can’t hold on to the ball, has no speed with pads on, and goes down faster than Tim Brown.
At least Cable is showing why we need to keep him around for awhile.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
How many injured QBs does it take to understand that this o-line is very bad?
C, RG, RT…need fixin’!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
^undisputed
December 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
not to knock anybody…but…
Why is it that everytime we win a game its always against a struggling team? I think our D dictated the game waiting for our O to catch up, in which they did! Yes, Denver is not what their record shows, but is still a good football team! And yes…our o-line definitely needs help. Our qb gets hit too many times!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
Langston Walker had a good game, he was the leading blocker on much of the running plays, a 370 pounds blocker.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:25 am
Did Bush save Cable’s job again?
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it’s possible. 5 wins this year, 5 wins last year.
thats not improvement if you’re Al Davis and all you care about are wins & losses. He’ll need to win at least 1 of the next 2 games imo.
Cleveland has played well the past 2 weeks and Baltimore is fighting for a playoff spot …
December 21st, 2009 at 7:25 am
Bad play call El Tato.
The posters on this blog pretty much all called that play before we even saw it. You KNEW it was coming and the defense was READY for it so yeah, they did defend it well.
Just another reason why we need that OC! We get down the field with ease running behind big Langston and the jumbo left side of the line. Not ONCE did we run to that side on the goal line! And once Bush took a 2 yd loss on 3rd down, the pitch play should have never come out.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:26 am
You guys all using your OPINIONS. I am using the actual facts of the boxscore. Only one other team had more rushing yards and a higher YPC yesterday, the Browns, of all 32 teams. Not impressive to anyone?
Only giving up one sack, that’s pretty damn good. And guess which QB took the sack? In like 4 whole games played without Jamarcus I think we have given up 5 sacks. That’s pretty damn impressive!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:26 am
later gents. have a great morning
beating the donks in Dungver feels great!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:26 am
El Tato Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
Langston Walker had a good game, he was the leading blocker on much of the running plays, a 370 pounds blocker.
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Yes, but did you notice that when Losman came in Walker let his man get right to the QB? Maybe walker doesn’t care for him from their time in Buffalo together? lol
December 21st, 2009 at 7:27 am
Vegas
My only point is that Grad and Frye are VERY mobile, HAVE GOOD INSTINCTS, have NFL experience and they are getting hit TOO much.
I guess my belief is that with a stout Oline we become a playoff team instantly.
A stout Oline will leverage our young skill players, keep our QB’s healthy and keep our D off the field.
That last point is really the ONLY way you beat teams like the Colts, Saints and Chargers.
Keep the ball out of their hands.
We focus on the Oline next year in the draft and we are a playoff team. We don’t and we are struggling to get to 8-8.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:28 am
Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:04 am
Did Bush save Cable’s job again?
God I hope not. How many years can Cable squeeze out of late season wins handed to him by players that he ignored for the first 3/4ths of the season?
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for me it’s really annoying…
i happen to be one of those people who thinks Bush is our best running back…
and he has proved it virtually every time he got significant playing time…
but because he won’t give Cable reach-arounds he bides his time on the bench…
December 21st, 2009 at 7:29 am
QB’s are going to get hit. Denver has been known all year for their great D, and their ability to put pressure on the QB from all angles. They blitz heavily.
What are we supposed to do, not allow any pressure all day? Give credit to Jamarcus and Frye for getting rid of the ball and only taking one sack, and give some creidt to the O-line for only giving up one sack. C’mon!! It isn’t that hard.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:30 am
El Tato Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
Langston Walker had a good game, he was the leading blocker on much of the running plays, a 370 pounds blocker.
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Yes, but did you notice that when Losman came in Walker let his man get right to the QB? Maybe walker doesn’t care for him from their time in Buffalo together? lol
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I guess Lagston wanted Losman to know what to expect from the line when playing for the Raiders: throw the ball as faster as you can or run for your life
December 21st, 2009 at 7:31 am
Fire Cable!!
Hire J Harbaugh!!
Cut TK, Warren, S Williams, Brown, Alston, Euk, Walker, Cooper, Green, and Fargas.
Draft ILB McClain, DTs, DE, LBs, CB, RT, RG, and a FB.
Cable is a moron!
Bush had 18 for 133, and DMC had 12 for 72 yards!!
He ran DMC up the middle, And Bush to the outsides!!
Imagine if he did it right?! We could have had 2 RBs over 100 yards!!
Does the Fat Moron still thinks Bush is behind Fargas!!!!
I hate Cable!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:31 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:28 am
but because he won’t give Cable reach-arounds he bides his time on the bench…
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Well now we know why McFelldown gets so much playing time…the only balls he can hold onto are the coach’s.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:36 am
Our focus should be:
- an ILB and CB depth in defense(Routt is a FA, maybe Mitchell at SS, Branch as a nickel DB).
- OL and FB in offense (OT, G, C)
December 21st, 2009 at 7:38 am
Yeah Bush fumbled and it went right to a Raider and he later dropped a pass that dould have cost us the game….so what, he still gives us a better chance to win than Fargas getting 20 carries for 80 yards up the middle.
We would have lost that game had Fargas not been injured.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:38 am
Vegas
Our ultimate goal is win a super bowl.
What has transpired for the past seven seasons is not what I am used to and it makes me sick.
I have followed the Raiders since 63′ and I know what a championship team is supposed to look like along both lines and we are not where we need to be.
Our lines must control the line of scrimmage EVERY week.
Our inability to that is why we are inconsistent as a team.
I give Cable tremendous credit for keeping these guys fighting with some obvious issues.
The entire coaching staff has done a great job but there used to be time when yesterdays’ performance would have inspired disgust among Raider fans, not jubilation.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:40 am
Good morning, AM Crew
1. Obviously, great win.
2. Michael Bush has shined again and should be getting the rock 15-20 times a game over the next two.
2a. Even when Fargas was ready to get back in the game, Bush remained the horse. I think Cable realizes that Bush gives him the best chance to win, with the only blemish the recovered fumble.
2b. This is the future of the Raiders rushing attack, like it should have been all along. My appreciation of Fargas is well documented but he’s about to hit the wall. Resign Bush. Letting him walk would be a mistake.
2c. Despite the fumble, McFadden turned in a good game. I think he needs one more offseason to recover from the turf toes.
2d. Dakota, vindication is sweet.
3. Brandon Meyers is a hell of a blocker.
3a. So is Langston Walker.
4. I like the jumbo set with Pears.
5. Cable needs to be more creative, but that will come with time as the team matures.
6. Russell was clutch. Again.
6a. Russell, showing poor awareness and overall slugishness, got strip-sacked. Again.
6b. Once in Bronco territory, Russell showed some nice ability to avoid the pressure by stepping up and around.
6c. Russell continues to show flashes, which is why Al keeps him around next year. If JR comes in prepared, focused, and in shape, we could have ourselves some real competition.
7. Defense was clutch. Got burned a few times in the slot, but held when it counted. Very solid inside the 20.
8. Lechler is the man.
9. Janikowski is the man.
10. Tyvon Branch is the man.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:41 am
With that, you are absolutely right, Charlie! Kind of like we all used to go into the Coliseum expecting a WIN!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:41 am
I’ve been saying Michael Bush should be the starter all year…and last year too.
If Cable limits Bush’s carries next week….I will want him fired.
I just don’t trust Cable when it comes to the lineup. Also missing from this conversation is the re-emergence of Higgins. He’s out there and he’s helping again. Another guy Cable put on ice.
Bush, Murphy and Higgins….all on the bench if it was up to Cable. And for that reason alone, his job should be in question.
Remember last year when he stuck with Kwame Harris all year…..
December 21st, 2009 at 7:43 am
I’m not going to get you to concede the O-line played real well yesterday am I Charlie?
December 21st, 2009 at 7:44 am
I loved Mitchell’s cheap shot at Orton early in the game. Orton got the pass away but Mitchell hit him and then as he was getting off of Orton he slamed Orton in the face.
LOVED IT BABY!
December 21st, 2009 at 7:45 am
slammed…
December 21st, 2009 at 7:45 am
11. Michael Huff was the man yesterday too.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:46 am
The fumbles hurt Bush’s chances.
I’m sure that Cable doesn’t want McFadden, DHB, or Russell carrying the load but has to follow orders.
Higgins got gun-shy.
Only now, after 14 games is he actually starting to make some decent returns of more than 5 yards.
Higgins is not aggressive enough and takes plays off, despite being rather talented and very quick.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:47 am
12. Greg Ellis was the man too.
Ellis sack on Denver last possesion made Denver to use their last Time Out and loss 7 yards, the next play Huff hit Marshall and the ball came lose.
Huff and Ellis were “the man” yesterday too.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:48 am
Tato,
Huff’s hit on Marshall on the last drive was inspired.
Applause for the emergence of Mike Huff.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:48 am
Fumbles happen unfortunately. You can’t bench a guy for fumbling once in a game.
Adrian Peterson fumbles…but he makes up for it with his big plays.
I like Fargas too. Just not as the starter, he might do a lot of little things right…but at the end of the day…a running back has to get yards, whether the hole is there or not. Fargas just doesn’t get yards
December 21st, 2009 at 7:49 am
Ellis is the best FA signing we’ve had in years.
The guy is clearly a leader and a very intelligent football player.
I remember him in Houston being the QB for the offense on the sidelines after a rough series.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:49 am
Raider O weren’t you the crybaby wanting everybody to get off of JaMacandcheeses’ back?
December 21st, 2009 at 7:49 am
JLH should be running 5 yards crossing routes all game, he can made the defender miss with his quick feet.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:52 am
Ellis is the best FA signing we’ve had in years.
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Yeah!!! and he said he promised Cable and Al Davis to make all everything he could to make Oakland competitive again, and that he wanted to be here next year to help turn around the situation. Great mentor to Matt Shaughnessy too.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:52 am
SnB,
I agree with you. Should be Thunder and Lightning all day with Fargas getting a few tough yards here and there.
That’s just what Cable saw. Fargas is his kinda player. Hard-nosed, tough, etc., etc.
My point is, Cable makes some questionable decisions on who plays on Sundays, but I’d imagine he’s rather limited in who he can get out there.
DHB and Russell, I’m sure, were not his call.
Cable probably wanted Frye or Gradkowski with JLH and Schilens since day one (Murphy or Walker in Chaz’s absence due to injury).
December 21st, 2009 at 7:53 am
LAtothe bay,
Fargas has a fumble this year….and another one that rolled out of bounds. What about Fargas’ two unsportsmanlike penalties?
Bush has fumbled 3x….Houston, Cincy and Denver (recovered)……you don’t ice the guy for a couple of mistakes like Cable did.
Fact is, had Fargas not been injured..Bush doesn’t play again.
I am almost thinking that Fargas or CAble can come back…but not both
December 21st, 2009 at 7:54 am
I really hope DHB sits the rest of the year
December 21st, 2009 at 7:54 am
you’re forgetting Seymour… I think with him there, he provided a spark to the D. Yeah, he may be dirty at times and may want to beat someone’s arse, but didn’t we need that?
December 21st, 2009 at 7:55 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:53 am
I am almost thinking that Fargas or CAble can come back…but not both
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Very true.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:56 am
Tato,
Why we don’t do to opponents what SD and Denver (1st game) did to us is beyond me.
3 and 4 WRs, attack the slot using mismatches. Stretch the field to keep the D honest.
Al just likes to stretch the field.
I’m sure it took Cable several weeks to convince Al otherwise.
I do believe he’s got the old man’s ear now.
Now to rain on everyone’s parade:
Cleveland will not roll over for us, especially after finding their offense.
The Raiders could be riding high and deflate again.
We need these last two.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:56 am
Spellcheck,
I don’t know about crybaby, but I wanted to give JR more time to develop.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:57 am
Cable can come back if:
He is stripped of all play calling duties, all the power he might have to sign players and all power he has to decide who gets what playing time.
Other than that I don’t have an issue with the guy lol
December 21st, 2009 at 7:58 am
hwnrdr,
Certainly the best trade we’ve made in years.
So much of what he does does not show up on the stat sheet. He takes double teams all day and lets speedy guys like Matt S., Trever Scott get to the QB. Ellis too.
December 21st, 2009 at 7:59 am
Trevor*
December 21st, 2009 at 7:59 am
Even the announcers were saying WOW look at the size of those holes.Walker and Pears next to him is a very strong line.I could have run through those holes.But hats off to Bush,with the exception of the fumble and the dropped pass he had a good game,imo
December 21st, 2009 at 7:59 am
Vegas
We simply have a different frame of reference.
The Raider Oline played better than last week.
I am also happy we won. I always want to see a win.
I am used to seeing an Oline that dominated the Steel Curtain in the 70’s. A line that decimated the Viking Dline in our first super bowl win.
A line that allowed running backs out of Colgate to gain thousands of rushing yards .
A line that KEPT THE BALL FROM THE OTHER TEAM.
We will only win a super bowl when we can do those things.
The Air Coryell Chargers were more imposing than the present day Colts offense. We beat it by keeping the ball away form them.
I am looking to win cahampionships. You do that by winning the line of scrimmage battle every week.
We are not CLOSE to where we need to be.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:03 am
On that note…Have a good day, Nation!
Gots some work to do now!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 8:03 am
Next week is a must win for Cable.
You have to get the team prepared to win these games against “inferior”…..and I use that word with caution…..teams
Also, I still want to know what happens when DHB comes back. Who loses playing time? Is it Murphy? That’s what Cable said would happen the last time.
Does Bush get carries? 15 to 20 carries? Or is it Fargas 10x, DMAC 10x and Bush 3x.
I am not convinced that Cable is the guy. If he goes out there and doesn’t play the players that produce…he’s got to roll out…..
Also, I hope that Cable can fairly evaluate the QB situation. Gradkowski is certainly a gamer in the limited time he has seen. But he doesn’t deserve the keys to the car yet. Can Cable properly evaluate Gradkowski, Losman and Frye next year? Skip the fiery B.S and play the BEST PLAYERS!
December 21st, 2009 at 8:06 am
We need a better Oline!
BTW, I thought JR did well feeling and avoiding the rush. His accuracy still needs work.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:17 am
Charlie,
IMO, we’re closer than you think.
An OLine to keep these QBs upright and a defense that needs to stop the cut-back runs and stop giving up the big play.
We’re getting better with our zones.
I know we all do this like every day but:
A beast DT. A beast MLB. C. RG. RT I guess.
Green is plenty talented, especially in the run game, just takes waaaaay too many penalties.
A more creative scheme on offense.
Improvements have been made in this area, defense as well.
If Cable keeps his job, the offense should be opened up more next year.
You see what he was able to do with Gradkowski?
To me, that is our QB.
He just looks lightyears ahead of Russell and Frye is a backup at best. Classic example of a guy with some feet that can give you a spark off the bench, but I’m not sold on Frye, despite having a fairly solid game yesterday.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:23 am
S&B
“Also, I still want to know what happens when DHB comes back. Who loses playing time? Is it Murphy? That’s what Cable said would happen the last time.”
Murphy’s been in the slot a great more lately, with JLH playin wide with Schilens.
IMO, its JLH who becomes more limited. Murphy is clutch and he’ll get his.
“You have to get the team prepared to win these games against “inferior”…..and I use that word with caution…..teams”
Absolutely.
Huge losses against mediocre teams like the Texans, Redskins, Jets and Giants. Tough loss against the Chiefs.
Narrow wins over the Eagles, Steelers, and Broncos.
I’d like to see some more Dr. Jekyll, thank you very much.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:24 am
Murphy’s been in the slot a great deal lately*
Murphy’s been in the slot more lately*
take your pick.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:24 am
I really like this kid McClain. He is almost 6′4 260, and runs a 4.6! This kid can be our MLB for the next decade! He helped Alabama reach #1.
Draft him!!!.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:26 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:41 am
I’ve been saying Michael Bush should be the starter all year…and last year too.
If Cable limits Bush’s carries next week….I will want him fired.
I just don’t trust Cable when it comes to the lineup. Also missing from this conversation is the re-emergence of Higgins. He’s out there and he’s helping again. Another guy Cable put on ice.
Bush, Murphy and Higgins….all on the bench if it was up to Cable. And for that reason alone, his job should be in question.
Remember last year when he stuck with Kwame Harris all year…..
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i double agree with this…
December 21st, 2009 at 8:27 am
Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 7:45 am
slammed…
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“slamed” sounded better…
December 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
i’m getting pissed…
the pass that i saw thrown from Jacarcass to Bush…
Bush delayed coming out of the backfield… slips through the line…
Jam rolled to his right… sees Bush 10 yards downfield…
the camera angle is from behind Bush…
Jam tosses a weak one at Bush’s knees…
Bush did get his hands on it… but couldn’t come up with it…
NOT a catchable ball… if he had caught it, the announcers would have credited Bush with a great catch…
December 21st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Agree with Pete from Florida!!
December 21st, 2009 at 8:40 am
@the real madden raider
something’s wrong with you, bro. you sound like a cop. troubling…very troubling.
hope you have a merry christmas. even scrooge can change his ways.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:42 am
Raider O Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 8:24 am
I really like this kid McClain. He is almost 6′4 260, and runs a 4.6! This kid can be our MLB for the next decade! He helped Alabama reach #1.
Draft him!!!.
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we would probably have to get him in the 1st round if we get him…
no doubt whoever gets him will be pleased…
we can get Micah Johnson (kentucky) in the 3rd with the 1st of our 2 picks… and i think he’s just as good…
December 21st, 2009 at 8:44 am
Jamarcus had a huge windup on that pass to Bush, and than fires off a pass hard and away to him. No touch. Bush should have caught it, but Russell should have made it much easier on him as well.
Russell has to much of a windup to his throws. He is the Hideo Nomo of NFL QB’s.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:46 am
Bush should start!! When is Cable’s gonna realize this?!!
On the other hand, glad to see he has his wits about him with respect to the QB. He said Frye would start if healthy. Relieving to hear that.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:47 am
I like Micah and The kid from Iowa.
I like your picks bro, so what do you think about Sam Young or Kyle Calloway in the 3rd? I think they can be solid NFL RTs.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:50 am
I agree Vegas….When Fargas fumbles a ball or a ball hits him in the hands EVERYBODY wants to cut him,kill him or kill Cable 4 playing him….
BUT NOW…..,if Bush fumbles its ok,everyone fumbles the ball. Bush gets his hands on a pass but drops it well its NOT Bushes fault,SHEEEEESH
December 21st, 2009 at 8:52 am
ah… Micah Johnson came in All SEC 2nd team…
behind Spikes and McClain…
December 21st, 2009 at 8:55 am
1- ILB R McClain
2- DE Carlos Dunlap
3- DT Mike Neal
3- RT Sam Young/ Kyle Calloway
4- CB Walter Thurmond, Syd Thompson, Ghee, or Patrick Stoudamire.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:57 am
4eva,
I don’t hate Fargas. I think a combo of Bush and Fargas would have been perfect for this offense.
Unfortunately, the Owner drafted DMAC. So, we have what we have.
The bottom line is that Bush is a workhorse that can get over 100 yards when given the ball.
Fargas runs violently but for whatever reason does not produce the necessary yardage to be a “factor back” as Merril Hodge likes to say on ESPN……
I think we all want the Raiders to win games. Having a productive running game that gets yards is a key to winning games. Not too many teams can win games without getting yardage on the ground.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:58 am
I really like Dunlap in the 2nd.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:58 am
Raider O,
You think Syd’Quan Thompson will fall to the fourth? That would be fantastic if we could get him there. Great cover skills, but he is short.
Routt needs to be replaced. He is good for one 40+ yard completion and one automatic first-down penalty a game. Sometimes even worse.
December 21st, 2009 at 8:59 am
Nice quote from Jamarcus:
“Coach always tells me to be prepared because you don’t know what’s going to happen,” Russell said. “You can say it’s a cherished game ball for me, but when we get back we’ll make sure the whole offense gets a game ball.”
http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14039622#ixzz0aLLtVSNU
December 21st, 2009 at 9:01 am
I also like Syd Thompson from Cal, but would Al draft a 5′9 CB who didn’t run a sub 4.3?
December 21st, 2009 at 9:02 am
Just a word of caution on drafting LB’S.
In the NFL you need solid lineplay in front to allow backers to make plays.
This is the second year in a row where our leading tacklers are the MLB and SS.
We need a lower paid Kelly and somebody to replace Warren.
My suggestion is:
RT round one
DT round two
RG round three
Best available from there on out.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:03 am
mcfadden’s legs are too long and skinny to be a great back. doesn’t have that change of direction and low center of gravity needed. when he was comin out of college everyone said he was the next adrian peterson, but most of his runs, he never really broke tackles, just outran everyone. but he could be dominant in a percy harvin, punt returner, slot receiver role. bush seems to have the best upside but he could shed some pounds–he looks like he should have a physique like adrian peterson–but doesn’t—disappointing considering we already got a fat guy named JR. Fargas back up player. get a shifty small rb to complement Bush. and figure out what to do with McFadden
December 21st, 2009 at 9:04 am
Vegas,
The reason I think he may fall to 3rd or 4th is his size 5′9. In todays NFL the avg WR is 6′1, and Syd is not going to run a sub 4.4, so IMO he may fall to the 2nd day
December 21st, 2009 at 9:06 am
Well, if only some of you guys were in Al’s ear. I’ve learned that it’s an exercise in futility to spend any energy or time thinking about the upcoming draft. Al will inevitably make a pick that has you saying “Huh?” or “Who?”. I just wish he’s use his 1st and 2nd round picks to trade for proven players such as he did with Seymour. We seem to make some good picks in the later rounds.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:09 am
Charlie,
I can’t see drafting a T in round one and re-signing Mario in the offseason. It should be one or the other.
I say RT in round 2. A natural RT, not one were the Raiders have to teach a guy a new position because he played LT in college. Let Green walk, draft a RT in round 2, re-sign Henderson and Walker, and maybe a G/C in round 3 or 4.
That would be good for this off-season, and than you tinker and upgrade from there. Lots of hole on the overall team to focus on just one area in the draft.
We are a stud LB, another solid interior lineman and an upgrade from Routt from having a pretty damn good defense.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:11 am
Charlie post 357
Great point…Linebackers can’t succeed without space eating DTs up front. Get the DTs first…then the LBs.
Big Banana post 360
Talking about the draft is fun. But I agree, Davis will do something wacky and just get everyone upset. It would be a much wiser strategy to trade for proven veteran talent. At least until Davis changes his drafting strategies
December 21st, 2009 at 9:12 am
TBB,
Bush, Mario, Branch, Scott, Kirk, Matt S, Murphy, and Chaz are all late RD picks.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:13 am
Perfect Pee Wee Herman plays CB…I’ll bet Al Davis and every other team in the NFL will be after a dwarf DB…He will do real well in the 6 AFC west games he’d play as a Raider against KC Den and SD and their 6ft plus recievers……Get A Clue Raider O…whats the O stand for …OBTUSE ???
December 21st, 2009 at 9:15 am
Pete’s Draft – 1st Edition
1st Round – Center
Stefen Wisniewski*, Penn State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
We should trade down to pick up an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd and then take this kid. A real live, smart center with a little bit of a pedigree…
2nd Round – Defensive Tackle
Dan Williams, Tennessee
Height: 6-3. Weight: 327.
Projected 40 Time: 5.25.
2nd Team All SEC – I like big, mean, heavy loads in the middle…
3rd Round (1st pick) – Middle Linebacker
Micah Johnson, Kentucky – Scouting Report
Height: 6-2. Weight: 254.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
2nd Team All SEC – I like big mean heavy loads in the middle…
3rd Round (2nd Pick) – Right Tackle
Anthony Davis*, Rutgers
Height: 6-6. Weight: 330.
Projected 40 Time: 5.24.
Big, strong guy… may not be there when we pick…
4th Round – Right Tackle
Chris Scott, Tennessee
Height: 6-5. Weight: 341.
Projected 40 Time: 5.43.
Big, strong guy… should be there when we pick…
7th Round – Defensive Tackle
DeMarcus Granger, Oklahoma
Height: 6-3. Weight: 330.
Projected 40 Time: 5.40.
He’s a medical basket case… but if he’s there… and he might be… we should take him…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:16 am
Charlie,
Having the linebacker smash and get a bunch of tackles is okay as long as the MLB is working downhill.
HAving a safety lead the team in tackles….that’s a big problem
December 21st, 2009 at 9:17 am
Raider O Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:01 am
I also like Syd Thompson from Cal, but would Al draft a 5′9 CB who didn’t run a sub 4.3?
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everybody say it with me…
NO MORE MIDGETS… NO MORE MIDGETS…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:19 am
IfCable is still here….you can forget big oafs in the middle
December 21st, 2009 at 9:19 am
FloridaPete, I don’t know about drafting a center in the first! Maybe in the 2nd, but agree with your draft positions.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am
Syd’Quan Thompson is about the same size as Asante Samuel and is one of the best coverage DB’s in the country.
I doubt he will be around in the 4th round. Routt needs to be replaced, too many big plays and penalties.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:23 am
r8eray Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:19 am
FloridaPete, I don’t know about drafting a center in the first! Maybe in the 2nd, but agree with your draft positions.
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this years draft is horrible for centers…
if you need one and don’t get yours in the 1st round…
well… you might want to think about using your long snapper…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:24 am
I win this weekend would put the chance of breaking the 10 loss season streak in jeopardy.
A win this weekend would also push us to 4-4 on the road this year. That is very respectable and better than some pretty good teams.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Pete, check this out!!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8112f2a3&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
December 21st, 2009 at 9:31 am
Watching the game I was thinkin why do the Raiders typically play well @ Denver. I think its the kicking game. It really helps when your punter is booting 70 yarders and your kicker is kicking everything out the back of the endzone.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
I keep seeing people post about the dropped pass Bush had. It was a rocket thrown at his knees and a bit behind him. 80% of the time the RB will drop that pass. He should have caught it just because they’re supposed to be able to make one-handed catches while doing a back-flip in the NFL, but 80% of the time that pass isn’t caught….just sayin’
December 21st, 2009 at 9:34 am
The Raiders defense did bend but did not break.The Raiders can become a competitive team. If the offense scores enough to keep the game close until the fourth quarter, the Raiders can become one of those Black&Blue type teams. The Black&Blue teams are by far my favorite type of teams because they almost always have a great chance of winning the game in the end.
A major priority for russell should be ball security.Defenses Know Russell has a history of giving the ball away.Russell’s lack of ball protection,throwing interceptions or fumbles, differentiates the Raiders from being competitors or incompetent.
Anytime the Raiders beat my nemesis, The Broncos,I feel it should make headline news.
Mission accomplished Raiders.Have very Merry Xmas.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:34 am
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December 21st, 2009 at 9:36 am
r8eray Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Pete, check this out!!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8112f2a3&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
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i don’t know about this guy… i checked him out last year… and didn’t agree that much…
he has my man Micah Johnson rated 2nd for MLB…
but doesn’t have McClain at all…
he doesn’t have Wisneiwski rated at all…
i almost get the feeling he only rated the players he actually watched play and ignored the rest…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:38 am
There is no doubt that this coaching staff stays.
They have done a great job with a very young team that even Mr Davis said was “a couple of years” away.
Our first three picks are going to focus on both lines.
Gallery, Green and Carlisle are all question marks in some way shape or form.
Gallery has me worried. You do not have back surgery and not be concerned when your livlihood depends on pushing around 320 pounds six months a year.
The Dline has Ellis, Warren on the wrong side of 30 and Kelly who plays way below his salary.Seymour is thirty and maybe has three good years left.
Those two units have been neglected in the draft with HIGH PICKS more than any other UNITS on the team in the past ten drafts.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:39 am
# raiderzmaverick Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
I keep seeing people post about the dropped pass Bush had. It was a rocket thrown at his knees and a bit behind him. 80% of the time the RB will drop that pass. He should have caught it just because they’re supposed to be able to make one-handed catches while doing a back-flip in the NFL, but 80% of the time that pass isn’t caught….just sayin’
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Didn’t you know? Bush is supposed to be perfect. It’s the only way Cable will ever allow him to crack the starting lineup. That drop probably puts him back in the doghouse. Oh, and whenever Russell is QB, players are supposed to make plays FOR him. It’s THEIR fault, not his.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:41 am
3-2 in last five games. Are we starting to turn a corner. Who thinks this win saved Cable’s job?? 3
December 21st, 2009 at 9:44 am
raidertay Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:41 am
3-2 in last five games. Are we starting to turn a corner. Who thinks this win saved Cable’s job?? 3
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If we don’t beat the Browns Cable should be fired before we even play the Ravens.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:45 am
raidertay Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:41 am
3-2 in last five games. Are we starting to turn a corner. Who thinks this win saved Cable’s job?? 3
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i will not deny that i was a big cable supporter last year…
but until i see that he has stopped with the vindictive bullschitt… (read: and allows Bush to be our 1st team back)…
then i am quite happy to see him move on…
oh…
and i hate the ZBS…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:45 am
I think we are now sitting at the #10 spot in the draft after beating the broncos…just fyi
December 21st, 2009 at 9:46 am
Stefan Wisniewski in the 1st round !!!!
you heard it here first…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:47 am
How can you say the Raiders cant draft but they get a guy like Chaz in the 7th round. For some reason the Raiders just cant draft first rounders they do great with the rest of the draft.
Lets trade the 2010 first round pick for Boldin.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:49 am
Yeah, I saw that. Russell has no responsibility….”the players around me don’t make plays”. He doesn’t realize he throws bullets at their feet (if the WRs are lucky) or way over their heads (if they’re unlucky and then get leveled).
But really, Bush’s production SHOULD earn him the starting job.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:49 am
Gil Brandt has Tim Tebow the top QB in the draft…
so now that i have established that Brandt is retarded…
we no longer need to consider his opinions…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am
I don’t know if Jamarcus haters (I’ve been one of ‘em) get any satisfaction from this, but he is really taking a beating in national media. With an ego like his you know for a fact a guy like him watches NFL network etc. to see what is being said about him, and all the guys on “the network” basically laugh and make fun of him all the time. This is what he gets for not taking all this seriously.
It’s gut check time for Jamarcus; that is if he has any. We shall see.
It can’t be doing any good for his massive ego to be one of the biggest punchlines in the league.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:51 am
#385, is that steve’s son?
December 21st, 2009 at 9:52 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
I keep seeing people post about the dropped pass Bush had. It was a rocket thrown at his knees and a bit behind him. 80% of the time the RB will drop that pass. He should have caught it just because they’re supposed to be able to make one-handed catches while doing a back-flip in the NFL, but 80% of the time that pass isn’t caught….just sayin’
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I’m no JaMarcus backer and I really like Bush, but that one was all on MB. Wasn’t behind him, hit him right in stride, and wasn’t at his knees either. He had to bend slightly and it hit him right in the hands. It happens.
Bush had a great game and it seems like any time he gets about 20 touches it pays off bigtime.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:39 am
# raiderzmaverick Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
I keep seeing people post about the dropped pass Bush had. It was a rocket thrown at his knees and a bit behind him. 80% of the time the RB will drop that pass. He should have caught it just because they’re supposed to be able to make one-handed catches while doing a back-flip in the NFL, but 80% of the time that pass isn’t caught….just sayin’
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Didn’t you know? Bush is supposed to be perfect.
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Vegas,
It’s hilarious how you nitpick Russell. Bush’s dropped ball was Russell’s fault? You know it hit him in BOTH hands, right?
You know that pass that Stewart caught on 4th and 10 was a bullet too? The TD to Schillens, same thing. Any other comment than Bush needs to catch the ball is as insane as saying an Oline who only gave up one sack isn’t playing well, lol!
LMFAO!
Russell put the ball in Bush’s hands, and he dropped it. End of story!
December 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am
I wonder why Murphy was so pissed on that play were he got the penalty for spiking the ball.
Was he just mad they were losing, was he mad at Jamarcus for one-hoping him, was he mad at himself because he didn’t make a miracoulous catch?
I want to know…
December 21st, 2009 at 9:57 am
JHill,
Bush should have caught it, I did say that. Russell just makes it so hard, with the windup, the lack of touch and the slight miss of the target.
I put it at about 65/35 Bush’s fault.
But don’t confuse me with some of these other guys who seemed like they were rooting against Russell yesterday. I was cheering the big homie on!!! And I told the two guys with me yesterday, that I think he gave us a better chance than Frye to win the game.
I was not impressed with Charlie.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:57 am
Haha! Russell is the furthest from perfect than anyone on that team.
December 21st, 2009 at 9:57 am
That was a bad pass Russell threw to Murphy. But Murphy is NOT the type of guy to show his team mates up on the field. I think he was simply mad that the play was not successful and they had to get off the field.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am
Vegas,
Im pretty sure he was mad a JRuss for overthrowing. you didnt notice the shoulder bump when JRuss was walking to the sideline?
December 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am
Vegas,
I KNOW you would not root against Russell b/c that would mean rooting against the Raiders. I know you’re just giving him a hard time, and I know you are sincere about his personal recovery.
Just fuggin with you bruh, lol!
But I’m SERIOUSLY doubting your Oline evaluation. It IS every bit as bad as we say. Walter Payton and Barry Sims had HORRIFIC Olines. I sure you get my drift.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:01 am
Overthrew him?
LMFAO!
Ahhhh, man!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:02 am
If you have the game recorded go back and watch, murphy gives JRuss a nice little shoulder and a look if im not mistaken.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:03 am
I think our QB situation is Grad and then Losman going into next year.
If JR has a decent agent he will tell him to take the pay cut that is coming and continue to learn the game under superior coaches like Tollner and Hackett.
Frye will stay only if JR leaves.
Losman is very intriguing and probably has more talent than Grad.
Again, by building the Oline both of those guys could be dangerous.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:04 am
yep Steves son
December 21st, 2009 at 10:04 am
raideredoutL.A. Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:51 am
#385, is that steve’s son?
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nephew…
December 21st, 2009 at 10:04 am
If the ball hits both of your hand you should catch it. Period
December 21st, 2009 at 10:05 am
I’d never root against Russell to do well if he’s wearing a Raiders uniform. Doesn’t mean that I am have any confidence in him while he’s in there or wouldldn’t prefer someone else is in his place…. But I’d never “hope he does something stupid” while he’s playing for my team…..more that I always “fear he’s about to do something stupid”
December 21st, 2009 at 10:07 am
And maybe I saw it differently in the game, but the throw to bush looked way low and behind him. I didn’t see it was a catchable ball. Maybe if it were thrown with a little more touch rather than a fast ball it could have been catchable, but I think that ball would’ve only been caught 1 out of 5 times at best by any RB.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 am
I think we all want the light to come on for Russell.
However, I am willing to bet in his mind he thinks yesterday’s “great” performance should get him his job back and secure his contract for 2010 and proved to him that his current work ethic is enough to let him win in the NFL.
He probably thought…see I told you so, I am great! after that game.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:08 am
Frye has a 1st qtr to be expected, IMO. The pressure was off the charts. Once Cable called that bootleg, it changed the whole dynamic of the game. If Schillens holds on to that TD pass, Frye is on his way to a VERY nice game. He put up 13 pts in the 2nd qtr, right?
3rd qtr, to me, was typical McDaniels. He always makes good adjustments at haltime, and yesterday was no different. And we all know Cable isn’t the best strategist.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
Blocking, blocking, blocking pass blocking that is. That is our biggest weakness right now. That is what is getting our QB’s killed, we may run decent enough if we power block ALA yesterday less zone blocking.
When we pass wow Gradkowski, Frye, Russell, Lossman are all running scared. The O-Line is not giving them enough time to set up.
When we run Max protect and have 2 WR’s we do better that is how Gradkowski got us a win in Pittsburg, motion the RB’s out once in a while.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
sorry
December 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
Russell will be back next year. He is only suppose to make $3 mill next year. And its the last guaranteed year of his contract. Considering that they have already invested over $36 mill so far in the why cut him to save $3m. He will probably be cut the year after when he is staring at that $9 mill
December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am
I do think our QB situation looks intreguing. I think we have a good foundation on our offense building up. If we keep Bush in there. Have Frye, Gradowski etc. in QB. Schillins and Murphy as WRs and Miller as TE. Put in a good fullback, a couple new O-Linemen and we’ve got ourselves a descent team.
Defensively, a good DT drafted for competition, a good MLB drafted for competition, maybe a CB to compete in the nickel with Routt.
I don’t think we’re as far off as I believed 6 games ago when Russell was starting.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am
Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:44 am
raidertay Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 9:41 am
3-2 in last five games. Are we starting to turn a corner. Who thinks this win saved Cable’s job?? 3
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If we don’t beat the Browns Cable should be fired before we even play the Ravens.
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if we blow out the browns and colt’s cable should still be fired 30 seconds after the colt’s game !!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am
Jhill,
I’m just a numbers-driven guy. Finance major, stock broker for 5 years, love baseball and all the numbers. I’m pretty geekish, RainMan-ish when it comes down to it.
So that’s what I base things on. I see 240 yards, 7 YPC and one sack, I mean shyt that’s pretty damn good, right? I have always said we need to upgrade the line, I just don’t want to spend the first round pick on it.
The O-line isn’t in such a dire situation from were I’m watching, than people on here think. Or at least when our boy isn’t cementing himself back there in the pocket.
Make whole point, and I know you agree, is that we have more holes than just O-line. A lot will depend on who we re-sign and sign in FA, but I don’t see the need to draft 3-4 O-lineman like people in here talk about. First 3 rounds on the lines, c’mon, we need a LB and a replacement for Routt more than anything!!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am
ravens not colts lol
December 21st, 2009 at 10:12 am
So if DHB was the 1 dropping that pass and not Bush, what would the haters be saying then?.
See as a team we need to function this is not a solo act.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:13 am
Of course he did Dakota, and said on the Radio that he thinks he should still be starting.
Russell understands he needs to improve, but NEVER thought he was THE problem.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:15 am
If Cable wins both games he definitely should keep his job. If he wins 1 out of the 2, I’d say it’s 50/50. But I think he’s being given more breathing room to make decisions with his personnel and it seems to be paying off.
No matter what I’d like him to get an Offensive Coordinator just like every other successful team in the league
December 21st, 2009 at 10:16 am
Like any real Raider fan we all wanted to see JR do well yesterday or any time he is on the field.
I always want to see the Raiders win.
Though I wish it were not so, JR has taken a big step back this year.
As you are all sick of hearing by now, our oline is PART of JR’s problem.
That being said he reminds me of Marc Wilson-very little instinct for the game and in the pocket.
Tollner and Hackett are about as good as it gets in working with QB’s. It certainly is not coaching that is the problem.
JR is simply a big project and one that does not command much of a salary given his obvious flaws and performance to date.
As I stated earlier, if JR has a good agent he should take what the Raiders offer and continue to learn here in Oakland.
No one in the league will offer him much more than he would get to stay here.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:17 am
The only problem I see with MB is his removing himself from the game after a little 7 yard gain. WTF was up with that?
Do some wind sprints while Fargas is practicing with the first team or something lol.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:17 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:12 am
So if DHB was the 1 dropping that pass and not Bush, what would the haters be saying then?.
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Bush produced. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. He is our back who has the last 3 100 yard games despite being given less chances than McFadden or Fargas.
DHB has dropped more passes than there are letters in his name. He doesn’t deserve that protection until he produces. He’s been given plenty of opportunities.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:18 am
RaiderD Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:02 am
If you have the game recorded go back and watch, murphy gives JRuss a nice little shoulder and a look if im not mistaken.
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i saw that you can tell murphy dosent like russell.
and the comment by nnamdi saying that russell could lay his head down and sleep good last night was a polite little jab as if to say HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT !!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
bush is always asking for a breather WTF???
guy’s like chris johnson and maurice jones drew don’t do that shyt.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
Im happy for Russell, but I also hope Frye is healthy for Cleveland.
Did you guys see what Cleveland did to KC. Harrison had 286 yard rushing and Cribbs had two KO return. The Raiders will have their hands full at the Dogg Pound.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
i’ll put 10 bucks on Murphy being able to kick JaCarcass’s ass…
December 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am
399.jhill Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:01 am
Overthrew him?
LMFAO!
Ahhhh, man!
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overthrow underthrow, a bad pass is what i was trying to say.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
bush is always asking for a breather WTF???
guy’s like chris johnson and maurice jones drew don’t do that shyt.
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i didn’t see Bush asking for a breather yesterday…
so i really am asking honestly…
did Bush ask to come out yesterday???
December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
i’ll put 10 bucks on Murphy being able to kick JaCarcass’s ass…
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i don’t want any part of that bet
russels only hope would be if murphy slipped while he was lighting him up and japorkchop squashed him falling on him lol
December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am
He’s closer in stature to a Jerome Bettis than a Chris Johnson or Maurice Jones. He’s 250lbs and ran for over 100 yards a mile high. Give the guy a break. I don’t notice him asking for breathers “ALL THE TIME”. I only personally noticed it one other game.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am
neither does Fargas
December 21st, 2009 at 10:24 am
UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
i didn’t see Bush asking for a breather yesterday…
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I actually didn’t see it either. I think Bush is our best back by far actually.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am
Speaking of DHB, ever since he “hurt” his foot, the recieving game has come around. About the same time as JaLoser was benched. Coincidence?
December 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
bush is always asking for a breather WTF???
guy’s like chris johnson and maurice jones drew don’t do that shyt.
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i didn’t see Bush asking for a breather yesterday…
so i really am asking honestly…
did Bush ask to come out yesterday???
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yep a couple of times
don’t get me wrong i like bush
probably a mixture of cable not using him at practice and him not running on his own.
man cable sucks !!!!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am
but I don’t see the need to draft 3-4 O-lineman like people in here talk about. First 3 rounds on the lines, c’mon, we need a LB and a replacement for Routt more than anything!!
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Lol, yes, maybe the first 3 rounds. A lot depends on FA, but I think we need AT LEAST 3 new starters on the Oline, and a couple of backups. I woul replace RT, RG, and C before I even THINK about drafting a DT. I’ll take a page outta your book at throw out TKs stats, lol.
Our defense is MUCH better than it was a month or so ago. I wonder how much better Morrison would have played had he not dislocated his elbow? Since Scott has moved to OLB, I think that unit has been pretty solid. And you KNOW that Ricky Brown is in the plans! Let’s also give the 2 young LBs we drafted this year develop! This D is going to be MUCH better in year 2 under Marshall.
Totally agree with you on Routt, but he’s actaully been playing much better too. That play with Stokely was a tough play for any corner, and there should have been some support in the MIDDLE OF THE FIELD.
Rd 1 – OT
Rd 2 – C
Rd 3 – CB/KR
Rd 3 – OG
Rd 4 – DT
Rd 5 – DL
Rd 5 – OL
Rd 6 – DL
Rd 7 – DB
December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am
You guys are crazy dropping criticism on Michael Bush.
Justin Fargas may do the right things..but he doesn’t produce.
When Bush goes over 100…the team is in position to win games. He is the starter.
You trade him, what are we left with? Fargas does not give the team the best chance to win as the everydown back. He’s like that guy that spells Peterson in Minnesota.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am
maybe we get different looks as I watced om the computer but….I guess nobody saw Bush raise his hand to come out.The camera was focused on him when I saw it after one of his runs
December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am
neither does Fargas
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Yeah, but typically Fargas runs 3 yards into a pile of dust and bodies. I haven’t seen him ever have the type of games that Bush has.
I don’t remember the last time I saw Fargas make someone miss actually. He plows straight ahead immediately after hand off. Doesn’t delay the run to wait for a whole to open. Doesnt’ have great vision. Fargas DOES have a huge heart and passion for the game though and willingly throws his body into all those barriers directly ahead of him.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
But I been to Colorado many times and if you are not used to it, it can be difficult.Thats why up 2 now I made no mention of it.But the air is thinner up there,as we all know
December 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
For the draft here’s what the Raiders should do.
1st – Highest rated player (OT,DT,LB)
2nd – Highest rated player less pick above (OT, DT, LB)
3rd – Highest rated player for position still open of above
4-7 – (C, RG, FB, DT,)
December 21st, 2009 at 10:30 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am
maybe we get different looks as I watced om the computer but….I guess nobody saw Bush raise his hand to come out.The camera was focused on him when I saw it after one of his runs
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Yeah, he jumped up and immediately signaled to the sideline that he needed to come out. Didn’t appear injured so it must have been just to catch his breath.
But I blame Cable…can’t get your wind while running in that little doghouse, lol.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:30 am
2 years ago in Miami he gained 127 yards.Just as there is no air in Colorodo,in Miami the air weighs like 50 pounds to breath it
December 21st, 2009 at 10:31 am
So now Murphy doesn’t like Russell ????
LOL!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am
I agree with the basic draft priorities there. But I actually might draft another low round WR as we have been doing pretty darned good at that. Find another person to complement Shillens and Murphy. JLH ain’t bad and should stay but I hate to say it but I really don’t think DHB will be that person.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 am
Dakota,didnt you know Cable built Bush a dog-run???? lol
December 21st, 2009 at 10:33 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:27 am
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Yeah, but typically Fargas runs 3 yards into a pile of dust and bodies. I haven’t seen him ever have the type of games that Bush has.
I don’t remember the last time I saw Fargas make someone miss actually. He plows straight ahead immediately after hand off. Doesn’t delay the run to wait for a whole to open. Doesnt’ have great vision. Fargas DOES have a huge heart and passion for the game though and willingly throws his body into all those barriers directly ahead of him.
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YOu just gave a pretty accurate job description for the backup running back….his passion for the game and work habits keep him on the roster. But he just doesn’t get the yards…
Real problem is that they have 3 running backs..that’s 1 back too many Bit enough carries to go around
December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
WAIT A MINUTE…..
Dakota you mean to tell me you were NOT at the game????
December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
And, even so….so what if Bush needs to take one breather a game (even if that IS True). So keep pounding him till you need a breather, then put Fargas in. Fargas consistently gets 3 yards. Not often more, not often less. So let him do that to give Bush breathers rather than throughout the entire game.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
MY SUPER PREMATURE MOCK DRAFT:
1. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State: Skills in the mold of a T.O. or Andre Johnson. May be gone when we pick but not a certainty. I’d have no problem going o-line or really just best player available (RB and DB aside) in this spot.
2. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers: I have a feeling he’ll go earlier, but if he’s there he’d be a great pick.
3. Micah Johnson, MLB, Kentucky: Complete MLB. Athletic. Good vs. run. First-team All-SEC as a junior.
3. Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame: Was Florida’s high school player of the year at o-line the same year as Tebow’s senior season. 4-year starter at ND. An RT or guard at the NFL level.
4. Trindon Holliday, KR/RB/WR, LSU: This guy makes Sproles look big. Saw him listed at 5-5, 165 but man does he fly. An estimated 4.25 40 time. And that speed translates to the field. Plays at a different speed than everyone else out there. A bona fide track star. Quick, shifty as well. Small stature makes hima tough target to spot, hit. Sproles is 5-6, 180, btw.
7. John Estes, C, Hawaii: 6-2, 292. 3-time all-WAC first teamer.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
I’d rather trade for one of the big DTs for Green Bay instead of drafting one. Outside of Suh and Mt Cody (who will both be gone by the time we pick) why even bother?
December 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am
# jhill Says:
December 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
DKnight,
Branch, Huff, Nnamdi, Scott, Shaugnessy, Mitchell, Murphy, Bush, DMAC, Henderson, Lechler, Jano, Schillens, and Howard.
Al’s draft’s have actaully not been that bad lately.
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ALL of Al Davis’ picks have not been bad. However he has absolutely BOMBED when it comes to his FIRST ROUND draft picks. Terrible evaluating of first round picks by Al Davis, and that is one of the major reasons why the Raiders have put up the worst record in the NFL since 2003.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am
4eva, believe me, if I had gone to that game we would have lost…I am jinxed.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:36 am
Real problem is that they have 3 running backs..that’s 1 back too many Bit enough carries to go around
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I don’t think so. Start Bush. Give McFadden a few carries to the outside, swing passes, put him in motion or as a WR.
Fargas gets a couple carries a game to help relieve Bush when he needs a breather after running for 100+ yards.
Not a bad plan.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:36 am
jhill Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:34 am
I’d rather trade for one of the big DTs for Green Bay instead of drafting one. Outside of Suh and Mt Cody (who will both be gone by the time we pick) why even bother?
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You mean the DT we should have drafted last year?
Darius Heyward-Bey…..sigh
December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 am
Chris, what about Rd 5 and 6? I believe we have 2 5th rd picks.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 am
lol….thats why I NEVER bet on the Raiders….
The only time they lose is when I bet on them lol
December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 am
and ALL these years I thought it was just ME =)
December 21st, 2009 at 10:38 am
As I said last year…there should be a two year moratorium on drafting any skill position players in the 1st 2 rounds.
Lineman and linebackers…period
December 21st, 2009 at 10:39 am
Russell still sucks. I guess someone forgot to tell the donkey’s def coor that JaMarcus only passes from the middle to left sideline. Check out the completions. 1/2 the field. Plus they didn’t pressure him enough to make him panic as he has a tendency to do. Cut JaLoser and let that simpleton Cable go while they are at it.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
Exactly Kush. Trade the 1st/2nd rounders for proven vets and some extra late rounders, where Davis and the Raiders tend to flourish.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:44 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:37 am
lol….thats why I NEVER bet on the Raiders….
The only time they lose is when I bet on them lol
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LOL….you must bet on them A LOT over the past few years
December 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am
From 6-0 to 8-6….the Broncos are who we thought they were! You want to crown ‘em than go ahead and crown their ass!
We should beat the Browns, if we don’t Cable should be fired on the spot.
If we beat the Browns AND the Ravens I will be impressed and I won’t slam Cable until we go 1-3 at the beginning of next year.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am
# The Big Banana Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
Exactly Kush. Trade the 1st/2nd rounders for proven vets and some extra late rounders, where Davis and the Raiders tend to flourish.
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I’d take another “Seymore” or “Moss” with our 1st round pick in a trade any day rather than wasting it on some high-priced non-producing wasted draft pick.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am
I wouldn’t mind trading.. get some proven talent!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:46 am
lmao Raiderzmaverick!!!!
but I shouldnt be lol
December 21st, 2009 at 10:47 am
I just disagree on Al and his drafts. It’s easy to say all this after the fact, but at the time, most of the first round picks were sound.
Starting with Gallery, how long had we been trying to get a LT to replace Sims? Gallery was the CONSENSUS best Oline guy in quite some time. Can’t miss they said.
Huff – Derick Gibson and Stu Schwygirl were our starters. Huff was again the consensus best S on the board. The Raiders got an A on most draft boards for that pick.
Russell – Scouts said he has the best QB workout EVER, and after 2006 with Brooks and Walter, you can “understand” why he went in that direction.
McFadden – Again, great pick at the time. What other options did we have, Ellis? Russell clearly needed some weapons and again, all the “experts” said McFadden was an excellent pick.
DHB – Well 4 outta 5 ain’t bad, lol. Seriously, you can learn how to catch and the kid has pretty much everything else. If he was used better, I think we would see better results. Only one reverse called for him this year? No WR screens? No quick slants off the line or crossing patterns? Another reason why Cable needs to get a REAL play caller in there.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:47 am
How about Matt Shaughnessy? The guy’s been getting a sack a game and played the run real tough yesterday. He’s been a difference-maker. What a pleasure to see…
December 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am
Cable probably deserves a chance without the hindrance of Russell. What are the alternatives, anyway? If Gruden, they fire Cable’s azz on the spot. Otherwise, see what he can do without the big dumb ogre.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am
…..even though I don’t like how he’s handled the RBs
December 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
Trade our 2nd for A.Boldin, and 1st swap for a late 1st and a 3rd! Draft a O-line and D-line!
That’s is a successful draft!
Oh…and release Walker, both of them!!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
wow. you just can’t put a fork on the Cable Guy. The D played amazing, except for the Marshall TD pass where they called the Old Al Davis play where Gerard Warren cover the crossing patterns instead of putting pressure on the QB. C’mon Al, please stop droping Warren into coverage, its painful…Nnamdi played a monster game, so did Branch. Awesome playcalling on the D side, every run blitz hit the mark…We ran the ball. why? because pass was a threat. Put jamarcus in there and we won’t run scht.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am
# The Big Banana Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
Exactly Kush. Trade the 1st/2nd rounders for proven vets and some extra late rounders, where Davis and the Raiders tend to flourish.
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I’d take another “Seymore” or “Moss” with our 1st round pick in a trade any day rather than wasting it on some high-priced non-producing wasted draft pick.
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Can’t argue with that at all. Adding a “Seymour” to our Oline would be sweet!
Trade our 1st rd guy for a starting OT and a 3rd rd pick.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
mock drafts already? LOL
can’t we wait until Feb 2010 guys?
December 21st, 2009 at 10:52 am
We had a schedule that positioned us to have at least a 9-7 or better record. Many of us predicted that based on our opponents. A 7-9 record is not grounds to rehire Cable. Excuses will not help us “turn the corner!” Close does not cut it. He is not the coach to get us to a Super Bowl. Despite AD.
http://www.firecable.com
December 21st, 2009 at 10:54 am
How can anyone on this green earth still defend Al Davis’ drafting? lol. crazy.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
mock drafts already? LOL
can’t we wait until Feb 2010 guys?
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Last 7 years has been the highlight of our seasons! LOL
December 21st, 2009 at 10:56 am
# RaiderfanNY Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:47 am
How about Matt Shaughnessy? The guy’s been getting a sack a game and played the run real tough yesterday. He’s been a difference-maker. What a pleasure to see…
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Yeah, we have some real up-and-comming players I think.
On Offense: Bush, Schillens, Murphy, Miller
On Defense: Shaughnessy, Branch, Trevor Scott, maybe Desmond Bryant. Heck Mike Mitchell is making a few good plays each game with limited playing time.
The two positions I don’t remember getting any good draft picks from the last 5 years are the two areas I think we need to improve the most: DT and O-Line.
We need to draft O’Line. I don’t remember the last O’linemen we drafted who’s still playing? 3-4 years ago? Who was even drafted since then?
December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am
I thought the draft was in April!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am
i am gonna duplicate any dang comment i want…
Pete’s Draft – 1st Edition
1st Round – Center
Stefen Wisniewski*, Penn State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
We should trade down to pick up an extra pick in the 2nd or 3rd and then take this kid. A real live, smart center with a little bit of a pedigree…
2nd Round – Defensive Tackle
Dan Williams, Tennessee
Height: 6-3. Weight: 327.
Projected 40 Time: 5.25.
2nd Team All SEC – I like big, mean, heavy loads in the middle…
3rd Round (1st pick) – Middle Linebacker
Micah Johnson, Kentucky – Scouting Report
Height: 6-2. Weight: 254.
Projected 40 Time: 4.71.
2nd Team All SEC – I like big mean heavy loads in the middle…
3rd Round (2nd Pick) – Right Tackle
Anthony Davis*, Rutgers
Height: 6-6. Weight: 330.
Projected 40 Time: 5.24.
Big, strong guy… may not be there when we pick…
4th Round – Right Tackle
Chris Scott, Tennessee
Height: 6-5. Weight: 341.
Projected 40 Time: 5.43.
Big, strong guy… should be there when we pick…
7th Round – Defensive Tackle
DeMarcus Granger, Oklahoma
Height: 6-3. Weight: 330.
Projected 40 Time: 5.40.
He’s a medical basket case… but if he’s there… and he might be… we should take him…
December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am
# los raiders de don rober Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 10:54 am
How can anyone on this green earth still defend Al Davis’ drafting? lol. crazy.
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Because, there are some pluspoints. Look at the 3rd round and later and you’ll find some good picks.
Look at the first round (or 1st 2) over the past 5 years and you only see a bunch of failures except for Miller.
December 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am
Man, you gotta love Mitchell on the blitz, the man is on a mission!
December 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am
here is probably the best we can get at HC
Jim Fassel
Rob Ryan
Winston Moss
James Lofton
GM candidates:
George Kokinis
Vinnie Cerrato
Carl Peterson
Matt Millen
December 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am
I love the intensity that Mitchell plays with. The guy just play with reckless abandonment and Tyvon Branch is one of the best tacklers weve had in a long time. He really bulked up this year
On another note I thought TKelly played really well yest. It should automatically be holding when a guy pulls your pants down.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am
I’ve heard of players wanting to go to the sideline for a blow, but this is taking it too far:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/20/tommy-kelly-pants-off-vid_n_398760.html
December 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
RaiderzMaverick,
Henderson was a 3rd rounder a couple years ago.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
Wow – noticed someone’s comment above. Saying he hopes DHB doesn’t get better soon. I hate to say it, but it’s true. You think he’d be given the starting job again right away? I do, and it’s SAD.
Also Fargas. If is healthy does Bush get 0 carries again next week like he did the week before?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
oh… yeah…
Jaspar Brinkley filled in yesterday at MLB for the Vikings…
7 tackles (all unassisted), one forced fumble…
now that’s middle linebacking…
December 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
# vegas raider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
RaiderzMaverick,
Henderson was a 3rd rounder a couple years ago.
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I think 3-4 years ago…..that’s what I was thinking. Do you remember ANY O-linemen we drafted since then (without checking online in the draft records)?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:02 am
as long as he isnt “holding” AFTER he pulls his pantz down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 11:04 am
i cant believe how many of u are blaming russell for the pass to bush. if u r a jruss hater, fine u have all the right in the world 2 b. however, u r using ur bias against him on that pass. although it wasn’t a “perfect” pass, it was very catchable. i posted yesterday we lead the nfl in a stat of 16.7% of CATCHABLE passes have been dropped this yr. bush, mcfadded, and murphy all have dropsies. murphy getting better, but he juggle his 1st catch yesterday. also yeah jr threw a 1 hopper to murphy. cold of the bench. u see frye 1st pass of game after warming up? i’ll say it again, im not a russell guy. i want all of our players to do well. dude came in off the bench and led a game winning drive. give him a lil fuggin credit. and by the way, all of u ‘MIKE MITCHELL HAS POOR COVERAGE SKILLS PEOPLE” aside from the td last week (where nnamdi was in end zone behind MM and took off towards middle of field) name 1 other play where mitchell has given up a reception of signifigance or even a reception period
December 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
Brad Hoover made Jaspar Brinkley look like a pop warner player last night.
stats are very misleading.
34 carries, 5 catches and 3 TD’s from Carolina RB’s.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
Rob Ryan for HC???
LMFAO!
December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 am
Dakota,
what was Tyvon Branch looking at in those pix? LOL
December 21st, 2009 at 11:07 am
RaiderzMaverick,
It was 3 years ago, so I don’t think we drafted an O-lineman the last 2 drafts.
Maybe Chris Morris but he was a 7th round pick.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:08 am
Rob Ryan for HC???
LMFAO!
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exactly Jhill. thats how bad the HC job is here in Oakland. guys choose college asst coach gigs over us!
December 21st, 2009 at 11:09 am
# new englandraider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:04 am
i cant believe how many of u are blaming russell for the pass to bush. if u r a jruss hater, fine u have all the right in the world 2 b. however, u r using ur bias against him on that pass. although it wasn’t a “perfect” pass, it was very catchable. i posted yesterday we lead the nfl in a stat of 16.7% of CATCHABLE passes have been dropped this yr. bush, mcfadded, and murphy all have dropsies. murphy getting better, but he juggle his 1st catch yesterday. also yeah jr threw a 1 hopper to murphy. cold of the bench. u see frye 1st pass of game after warming up? i’ll say it again, im not a russell guy. i want all of our players to do well. dude came in off the bench and led a game winning drive. give him a lil fuggin credit. and by the way, all of u ‘MIKE MITCHELL HAS POOR COVERAGE SKILLS PEOPLE” aside from the td last week (where nnamdi was in end zone behind MM and took off towards middle of field) name 1 other play where mitchell has given up a reception of signifigance or even a reception period
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I want you to observe something. How many cases of the “dropsies” did you see when Gradkowski was in? I only remember one or two. Could it be that he throws a MUCH BETTER BALL? Or is it “magic” that suddenly all the WRs and RBs have a difficult time holding onto it suddenly? In fact, since DHB has been sidelined I don’t remember much of the “dropsies” at all on catchable passes.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:09 am
Hey Dakota….Does you-tube have the whole game? If not you know where I can watch it again?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:09 am
If russel had the numbers that fry had in this game everyone would be killing him 9 of 17 for 68 yards and a pick, yuck! If a vet is going to play like that then you have nothing to lose by playing jr. The thing i loved was watching jr on the sideline before he got in the game, He was talking with coaches, with qb’s, he even offered to pour gatorade for bush after a a bush run!! He looks like a guy that is beginning to understand what it takes to earn your team’s respect. I hope he can continue to build on this mentality. This is the 3rd time he is brought us back from behind to win in the final seconds, he has that knack. He needs to continue to mature off the field. Watching how the team responded to bruce has made an impact on him, as well as being benched. It also helps to have guys catch the ball when you throw it on target. Dont give up on him yet.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:10 am
Vegas:
Morris was an Art Shell pick – 2006
Boothe & McQuistan were also cut from that draft crop
no o-line guys in the past 2 drafts
December 21st, 2009 at 11:12 am
Mistic, I did see that change. He was much more involved in the sideline (Russell was). He was by the coach on playcalling, running around etc. It was good to see.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:13 am
Gradkowski can scrammble that is it, and he is more vocal. Other then that what has his scrammbling ability gotten him? but hurt maybe out the rest of the season. Jmac given time can be good he somehow gives us a chance late in games, and i do believe the players play differently for each QB witch is bull they should give a 100% effort every play.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:14 am
Now we see what a healthy macfadden can do, paired with bush, cable needs to stick with this tandem. Our rookie defensive end, shaunessy is a beast. Mitchell, huff and branch were all on the field at the same time on some plays, they all looked great. Also switching trevor scott to line backer has completely changed our defense, you cant tell when they are coming or who is going to come. The man to man defense that everybody hates showed you what it can do, when you have the right guys in the right spot. Finally morrison looks like hes getting healthy, played a hell of a game.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:17 am
Mistic,
You may be right about that, but I think that Russell should NOT start the next game. Too soon. If he is “starting” to get the picture, then fine. But you don’t get promoted one good day on the job after you’ve been demoted.
With Frye’s head injury and Grads’ knees still not right, Russell will probably get the starters reps the next couple of days. But come game day, it should still be Frye. Let’s hope Russell GOT IT enough to spend the night at the complex. Let’s see if he’s there Tuesday at 6am with Frye, and continues to improve stepping up in the pocket.
I say let Frye start with Russell backing him up.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:18 am
against the Browns …
#1 Frye
#2 Losman
#3 Southwick
December 21st, 2009 at 11:18 am
George Clooney g/f http://photobucket.com/images/elisabetta%20canalis/
December 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am
Michael Huff is a player.
where are all the haters at from Jan – August ???
December 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am
i dont know how to observe a few ?’s, but ur right raidermav. there haven’t been as many drops recently. but i have OBSERVED a few things in regards to our starting wr’s. i observed stone hands being benched. i observed chaz coming back. i observed jlh starting. i observed louis murphy (who is going to be nasty) get demoted. and i saved the best 4 last for u, i observed a qb change. BUSH SHOULD’VE CAUGHT THAT BALL. and thats it
December 21st, 2009 at 11:20 am
Russell was benched cause of Cables lack of coaching. He is using him like a scapegoat, instead of blaming the whole team for a lackluster performance.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:21 am
Can walker play on the right side? He is a hell of a power guy, the backs havent had those kind of holes all year. Next year when gallery returns, the left side is fine, we must adress the right side of the o-line. For the love a god was there tommy kelly sighting yesterday, this guy is like bigfoot, we have evidence that he exist, a couple of peices of video footage, but it canr be proven that he is real. We need to draft for D tackle, our middle lb, and safties are good enough for us to be solid up the middle next year.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:21 am
R8dr4lfe21 – I think that the players maybe to play different, but it’s only human. What I mean is that I think they played just as hard for Russell at first. Then being open and having it thrown horribly one play. Then the next play seeing him fumble and loose the ball and turn it over. Then the next drive having him throw the ball high so when you go up and catch it you get POUNDED. Then another bad throw the next play when you’re open. It’s pretty frustrating and disheartening I’m sure. And him blaming it on you and everyone else except for himself. And then not putting in extra time to get better. I could understand. It doesn’t mean that players don’t run their routes at full speed and try. But there is something that I could understand would be different when he’s in there. And he can change that by his actions.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:22 am
# r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:20 am
Russell was benched cause of Cables lack of coaching. He is using him like a scapegoat, instead of blaming the whole team for a lackluster performance.
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I don’t agree at all. His level of play brought the whole team down. Notice the IMMEDIATE difference when Gradkowski got the nod as the starter.
NOTICE our record with Russell as the starter and then our record after we had new starters.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am
Russell is at QB what Fargas, Watkins, Carlisle, Green, Satele and Heyward-Bey (at this point) are at their positions.
A liability!
cut the fat – literally
December 21st, 2009 at 11:25 am
back to work now. later gents!
December 21st, 2009 at 11:25 am
True he is to blame for alot, but i remember Murphy dropping passes, i saw McFadden drop passes, i even saw Z-Miller drop passes. So how does a QB get into rythm? yes he gets sacked, yes he fumbles, and yes he is innacurate. But does he allow huge gains on defense?, does he miss tackles?, does he drop passes that are in the hands of the recievers?, does he get holding and false start penalties?, does he allow 170yards a game rushing?……
December 21st, 2009 at 11:25 am
by the way, i believe it was either the pittsburgh game or the wash game where the announcers gave us the stat of 16.7% of catchable passes have been dropped. nfl leading 16.7%. pretty sure it was pitts game. im glad we’re catching the ball. if bey can become anything, with a decent oline, we’re gonna have some weapons man. murphy gonna be a stud. so isnt chaz if he can get and stay healthy.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:26 am
Morning Nation. Great win yesterday against the donkeys!
December 21st, 2009 at 11:26 am
2wins in 9 games with Jamarcus as starter
3 Wins in 5 ames with new starters at QB
Winning % with Jamarcus as starter = 18%
Winning % with other starters at QB = 60%
60% ain’t bad. It could get us a playoff spot.
Nothing else changed. New QB starting, new life in team.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Jadeadly still sux.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
anyone gonna give me an example of MM giving up a signifigant reception? other than the td last week vs wash
December 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am
We wouldn’t of had a chance with him starting.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:28 am
Jhill is right russel should not start if fry is healthy, if for no other reason than to keep the heat off of him, while he continues to do the things off the field that he needs to do. Tony stewart said ” he still has alot of growing up to do”. This will also alow him to come in as reliever if needed so he may also put together a few good streches in games. One other tidbit. russle is from mobile alabama, he went to college in baton rouge, i beleive he has been over weelmed in the bay area and caught up in the night life. mainly because it is new to him. You notice he plays better on the road, in cities that are much slower then oakland and sf. i think part of the reason is he stays in the weekend, then he plays much better. lets hope he now knows that partying durring the season will not work for him. Some guys can do it he is not one of them.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:28 am
no cut michael huff posts 2day?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am
Mitchell is coming along nicely. Great work ethic and attitude.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am
A lot changed, there was a whole new group of WR’s, Gallery was healthy, and we started to block for our RB’s. Gradkowski can scrammble that is why players got open he gave them more time. But scrammbling around with this O-Line and look what happened HURT.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am
18 million dollar cap # and a comeback win IN DENVER, and you think Al Davis is going to cut #2?
No way the Player’s Association allows these players to be cut in an uncapped year. You know how much $ that would cost the players? NOT HAPPENING! You already hear the rumblings of the commissioner putting something in place to prevent salary dumping. The players will conceded something to avoid that.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am
1100 yards the top QB got in the 9 Games Russell started.
739 yards the top QB got in the 5 games with other starters (and that included the 68 yard game with Frye).
211 yards per game with Gradkowski starting.
122 yards per game with Russell starting.
Any questions?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:31 am
Let’s make the move. Walker to RG next season.
LT- Henderson
LG- Gallery
C- we need a replacement
RG- Walker
RT- we need a replacement
December 21st, 2009 at 11:32 am
Mike Huff hit on Marshall was a thing of beauty
December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am
Players aren’t motivated when Jadeadly hits the field. They know their chances of winning are slim.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am
# r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:29 am
A lot changed, there was a whole new group of WR’s, Gallery was healthy, and we started to block for our RB’s. Gradkowski can scrammble that is why players got open he gave them more time. But scrammbling around with this O-Line and look what happened HURT.
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A new group of WRs??? Gallery? In case you didn’t notice, the last 3 games we’ve been switching around our ENTIRE o-line except for Henderson. And yet we STILL are WINNING when Russell isn’t starting!
I’m not arguing that we don’t need a new O-Line. We DEFINITELY need to protect the QB better. All I’m saying is that by some strange coincidence when we have someone else starting at QB we’re winning.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am
Gallerys back surgery scares me.I think we should draft like he will not be back
December 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am
Check the playcalling, with Russell pass to run ratio. Then check it with Gradkowski, Look i like Gradkowski dude has heart, but i also like Jmac i think he just needs to grow up. I need to look at the big picture and quit sugarcoating stuff. Is Gradkowski what all of you want next year? or are we just happy we won some games?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:34 am
Langston Walker was very good yesterday in run blocking, he was the lead blocker on every long run yesterday, we were running left side all the time.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:35 am
I’m not saying to start Jmac, but i’am saying give him a chance to come in next year and compete. I’am not comfortable with Cable/Gradkowski next year without looking at the pro’s and con’s.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:35 am
Imagine a healthy Gallery and Walker (RG) on the line.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:36 am
Russel has faults, he need to grow, but our entire team sucked. Murphy, and heyward bey wernt ready to start, they dropped plenty of nice passes that russel threw. this cuased russel to press and lose confidence. The o-line did not pass protect well and still havent protected well, nor did they run block well most of the season. this will cuase a young qb to struggle. The defense has been up and down, mainly due to a dtackles playing poorly and outside lbs being out of position. You couple that with russels off field issues and it was a powder keg. I think some people want to see russel flop. yesterday demonstrates when you win its not because of one guy, when you lose its not because of one guy.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:36 am
yes mm is going to be good dmac. there is like ten posts in here saying he neeeds to dratically improve his coverage skills. but… im still waiting for someone to tell me outside the td last week, name a play where mm gave up a signifigant reception. if any at all. seen him whiff on a few sacks, give up receptions…. uh…….. NO
December 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am
Dumerville is aggressive and we used it against him by allowing him to overpursue.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am
Thats the only one a saw as well.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am
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December 21st, 2009 at 11:38 am
when are some of you guys going to understand that Jawalrus will never understand a complicated D, become a leader, or know the full playbook.
Sorry but I dont buy yesterday’s sputter finish. Grad and Frye have shown that the Raiders as a team can compete in this league. Jawalrus has single handedly held us from competing for a playoff spot this year.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:38 am
We finally cut down on the long plays with the exception of Stokely.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am
Mistic1 well said
December 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am
signifiCant. hooke on phonics didnt work 4 me
December 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am
dmac thats the only 1 u saw, because thats the only one there is. not bad for a guy with coverage skills in need of drastic improvement
December 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am
hey dmac, by the hold onto the ball PLEASE. but u had a couple nice runs. props given
December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am
I love the way they have been using him lately. Nice blitzer.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am
JaMarcus is not mobile, until we have an EXCELLENT OL don’t even think he can play, he is very easy to sack and when sacked he fumbles almost 100%. Thats why we need a mobile QB.
JaMarcus can run if needed but he doesnt often and has zero pocket presence and feel for the rush, the guy is a sack waiting to happen.
If he has time (a lot of time) he put the ball everywhere with that arm, but he hasnt all the time in the world to throw, this is the NFL.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am
Get me in open space. Pitches, tosses, screens etc.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am
Dakota,
usually when watching or listening to a game I reserve my cursing for the officiating or bonehead play-calling. Mostly when it comes to the players I just watch and try to enjoy the contest. But when your McF put the ball on the ground yesterday all I could do was curse. Figured straight away that it would cost the Raiders the game. Fortunately that turned out to be an erroneous assumption on my part.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am
# r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:35 am
I’m not saying to start Jmac, but i’am saying give him a chance to come in next year and compete. I’am not comfortable with Cable/Gradkowski next year without looking at the pro’s and con’s.
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I agree with that. Give him a chance to compete. But don’t give him anything for free like he has been getting. He has to be the best player out there to deserve the start now.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am
Gradowski is all guts, he doesnt have enough talent to take this team to the top. Lets be real, he lacks the physical tools. Most the time when he moves its to find throwing lanes because he cant see over the line!! Russel has all of the physical gifts, he needs his mind to catch up with his talent. When work ethic and talent come together “he will be a great player, get over it”. yesterday the way he battled, while being hammered by the defense, being pummeled by the media, and losing the confidence of his teammates, showed the competitive fire and testicular fortitude we have waited to see from him. Maybe he is getting it, if he ever does he will be awesome.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am
Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:00 am
I’ve heard of players wanting to go to the sideline for a blow, but this is taking it too far:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/20/tommy-kelly-pants-off-vid_n_398760.html
^^^^^^^^^
I was LMAO of when that happned during the game!
Did you see the reaction by Branch when Kelly was using all fours to get up??
LOL….hahaha
December 21st, 2009 at 11:44 am
Jadeadly has a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way to go, if he wants to be a good to average NFL QB in this league.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:44 am
MM can play, no doubt
December 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am
yeah, Tommy Kelly, that was funny
December 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am
Heck, I hope Russell develops work ethic, pocket presence, touch on his passes and the ability to read defenses. I hope he finds a pump fake, check down and stops to lock onto one receiver.
I think it would be GREAT because then we’d have a good QB who is always a threat to throw it anywhere on the field including 90 yards to the end zone.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
Did anyone see M-Bush chat with reporters yesterday. He said he cant understand why the fans boo the players, he said if they gonna do that why even show up to the game.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
But….boy….that’s a LOOOOONG way to go for Russell at this point.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am
Did anyone see M-Bush chat with reporters yesterday. He said he cant understand why the fans boo the players, he said if they gonna do that why even show up to the game.
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and he is right in my opinion
December 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
Chaz gave Russell props, Bush did also they all said they comforted him after the game he was emotional.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
If you pay $$$$$$. You have the right to say or yell whatever the hell you feel like. IMO
December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
Greetings Nation on this fine day.
This what I think about JaMarcus:
His development should have began with our coaches going over all the plays and formations he played at LSU. After all thats what got him picked #1. LSU had 3 WRs (2 1st rnd & 1 3rd rnd) and a couple linemen that went to NFL. Good running backs and decent TE.
Our coaches should have copied everything to a T that LSU ran that made JaMarcus comfortable. Even though that was college, running the same stuff with pros should work because pros are supposed to be better. Although we struggled since drafting JRuss, the Raiders woulds beat any LSU team, period.
I would have copied that and then progressed JRuss even more from there. Linemen would have blocked the same way and WRs would run same patterns. RBs would have same type of runs. Maybe JRuss would be alot more comfortable at this point than he is and we would be playing for something this week.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
DMAC then dont waist you’re money, or complain when they play bad you pay money and they take you’re money so who is really losing.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
Gradkowski and Frye both went down quick with injuries, Frye is certain to get injured again. Those small, WCO type QBs will get killed until we get an offensive line. They’ll look good at first, but eventually a defender will get a clean shot on one of them and it’s over. Russell, for all of his flaws, seems to bounce back from the several hits our QBs take in Al Davis’s system. Hate Russell all you want to, in this system, he’s going to be the last man standing for his physical size and strength. How big is Losman? Like I said, a QB in Al Davis’s system has to take hits, because he’s going to take a lot.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
el tato that was funny. tommy kelly. u hear the announcer gus johnson.lmfao. he’s like whoaaaaaaa. kelly played a great game yesterday. ive been on him all year, both dt’s played well. whole d was nice yesterday. except for the rouut stokely play. whenevr nnamdi goes out, routt plays excellent covering his side. maybe cj should cover slot receiver. also, did u guys catch nnamdi on the near side of field yesterday? shadowed marshall quite a bit. i guess they figured out we shouldnt cover him with a lb as we did 1st time we played em
December 21st, 2009 at 11:51 am
Rder4lfe.
JR has gotten the best coaching possible in Tollner and Hackett.
Two of the best offensive minds especially in the passing game in the NFL.
I would agree that the Oline has hampered JR a bit, but his play has gotten worse since last year.
Bottom line is NO NFL team can afford to pay JR relative to his poor production.
He will get much less next year or he will be out of Oakland.
Don’t blame the coaches.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:51 am
Russel also demonstratded on a few plays that he can slide around in pocket enough to make some plays. You dont have to be “mobile” to be a great qb. Even the “mobile guys” are better later in their careers when they learn how to stay alive to throw the ball and ocasionally pick up 5 or 6 yards with thier legs. Elway, young, mcnair, plunkett, cunningham, moon, mcnabb, and gannon. These were much better when they didnt have to run very much. Just move around in the pocket enough to be effective. Marino never won a sprint, neither would brady or manning. the difference is you need solid line play in front of you, which the raiders do not have.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:52 am
Chaz was developing a nice chemistry with JaMarcus. I would have liked to see JaMarcus playe with Chaz there since week 1, he is our WR1 and Russell was benched the week he came back. He had 3 catches yesterday with JaMarcus in there the last drive, including the TD
December 21st, 2009 at 11:53 am
Gradkowski has benifited from Hackett his whole carreer. Jmac has this offseason.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am
So Stopwatch….you want the whole team to learn plays that #2 knows instead of #2 learning plays the whole team knows?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am
MR
We will fix the Oline in this draft enough to where guys like Grad and Losman wil be OK.
I would hope JR’s agent gives him good advice to take the reduced offer to stay in Oakland and learn from Tollner and Hackett.
He will not get more to play elsewhere. He is a long term project at least two years away.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
Russel needs to understand his own playbook,to a higher degree, this knowlegde of where everyone is supposed to be at all times will allow him to “read the defense”. He mastered the playbook in college and no trouble “reading the defense”.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:20 am
Russell was benched cause of Cables lack of coaching. He is using him like a scapegoat, instead of blaming the whole team for a lackluster performance.
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i also like Jmac i think he just needs to grow up.
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First off, JaLoser came in out of shape and underprepared. If you give a player $39.5 mil up front without performance standards in his contract, then you cannot force a player to come in early and leave late. Cannot teach dedication. Cannot make a player use his capabilities to learn the playbook. Cannot make a player physically fit. Can not blame that on the Coach as much I would want to.
We can not count on the light going on in his 4th yr next season.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
If Al Davis cuts Russell he eats every single word he said in his press conference firing Kiffin. I don’t see it happening, even if Russell stonewalls him on the contract restructuring.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:56 am
# Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am
MR
We will fix the Oline in this draft enough to where guys like Grad and Losman wil be OK.
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LOL. What is this, comedy hour? Bruce Allen’s in Washington.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
El Tato Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am
Did anyone see M-Bush chat with reporters yesterday. He said he cant understand why the fans boo the players, he said if they gonna do that why even show up to the game.
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and he is right in my opinion
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I would rather boo the freakin owner!
One of the many reasons why I have usually only gone to one game a year the last 5 years.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
Here’s a thought Nation!
Al Davis is fed up with our record and slumping ticket sales so he hires these two guys:
Jon Gruden and DC Lovie Smith.
He will also hire a personnel guy to help him out to be go-between Gruden and himself.
And Gruden hires Trestman and keep Hackett as QB coach.
Our draft slot is going down out of the top 10 range and that would be a great justifiable position to select Mt Cody to be the DT in our Lovie D.
Then we go OL in next two rounds.
Oooh I gotta go. Just slimed my drawls.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
JaMarcus was in Shootgun 80% of the plays the second half of 2008 season, thats why he had an 88 QB rating in that second half.
Shootgun formation, Murphy deep, Chaz middle, JLH short crossing route and Miller free.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am
No Real Madden is posting …so it’s the Amateur Hour
December 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am
OK, Charlie, I’ll be fair. Give me some examples of how we’ll “fix the Oline in this draft enough…”. Who is Al going to draft? What indication has he given thus far that he’ll draft these O linemen? Is there a speedy CB or WR that Al might want before him, considering Al’s penchant for these types of players?
December 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am
If there is a salary cap in 2010, literally no chance Al dumps Russell.
If there isn’t a cap, that creates a little more wiggle-room for Al. The only thing stronger than Al’s love of big, fast skill guys, is his love to be a cheap SOB at times.
December 21st, 2009 at 11:58 am
NO DIFFERENT THAN LEARNING A NEW SYSTEM WHEN A NEW COACH ARRIVES 4EVA, I THINK HE HAS A POINT,TO A CERTAN DEGREE..
December 21st, 2009 at 11:59 am
He came in out of shape true and he makes a ton of money also true. So what makes you think that a person that invested so much into his business is just gonna let go “doubtfull”. Al Davis might be alot of things, but he does not give up on youngsters so quickly and neither do i. He needs to compete next year not have the offense handed to him.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
4evaRaider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am
So Stopwatch….you want the whole team to learn plays that #2 knows instead of #2 learning plays the whole team knows?
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From what we know now, that would have been a better option than what we got out of JaMarcus.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Shootgun….LMAO
December 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
DMAC Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
If you pay $$$$$$. You have the right to say or yell whatever the hell you feel like. IMO
^^^^^^^^
Agreed….
December 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Al’s stopwatch,
how is Al going to get Gruden to come here? Do you think Gruden will come here under a contract which defines “cause for termination” as “not abiding by Raider tradition”, and where he wouldn’t get his money if fired under such circumstances? If you think Gruden is that stupid, you can’t have much respect for him.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
El Tato Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:47 am
Did anyone see M-Bush chat with reporters yesterday. He said he cant understand why the fans boo the players, he said if they gonna do that why even show up to the game.
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and he is right in my opinion
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I would rather boo the freakin owner!
One of the many reasons why I have usually only gone to one game a year the last 5 years.
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What I mean is, that why the team plays better on the road. At this point, JaMarcus cant play at home, even some Redskins players said they fel sorry for him last game when he entered the game.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Born in E. LA…..El Tato do you sound like Cheech Marin when you talk?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Cheech Marin is the only thing Spellcheck can think of when someone brings up East L.A. Stuck in the ’80s, are we?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pm
# spellcheck Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Shootgun….LMAO
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Tom Brady is 80% of the time in Shotgun
December 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
The fact is I was born in Spain, not in Mexico, anyway both spanish talkers
December 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Why would Gruden return to the Raiders when his best frien Bruce Allen just got the GM job with Washington, and Zorn is going to be given the gate????
December 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
oops friend
December 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
MR,
Al Davis goes against the grain and does something every year to shock the crap out of us.
Also don’t be surprised if J Peppers turn Turd’s 90 into one of the best selling Raiders jerseys next year.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
AlDavis Stopwatch Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
MR,
Al Davis goes against the grain and does something every year to shock the crap out of us.
……………..
Really? He hasn’t shocked me in nearly a decade. I’ve predicted just about everything he’s done.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Demon Raider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 1:14 am
This next years draft I am really liking DT Gerald McCoy from Oklahoma as our first pick with either a QB or OT in the 2nd round. I wouldn’t be surprised if our first 2 picks are both McCoys, DT Gerald and QB Colt from Texas… Top 10 is too high to draft a RT unless we draft OT Russell Okung from Oklahoma State and have him be our LT and move Mario Henderson to RT… I don’t care, just was long as we get rid of damn Cornell Greene….
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No way to drafting McCoy in round 2.
I would rather have Grads, Frye and Losman compete with Russell and maybe sign Vick.
The Raiders need to draft for the Lines and Linebackers in the early rounds.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Ah yes…Spain….where the would rather appease than fight their rebels and terrorists.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
spellcheck, I agree. I see Gruden going to Washington.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Born in East LA was the worst of the Cheech and Chong movies.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pm
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:59 am
He came in out of shape true and he makes a ton of money also true. So what makes you think that a person that invested so much into his business is just gonna let go “doubtfull”. Al Davis might be alot of things, but he does not give up on youngsters so quickly and neither do i. He needs to compete next year not have the offense handed to him.
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Al ate 2 big contracts last season in Hall and Wilson.
That is proof that if Al knows he has made a mistake, he bites the contract. After he’s benched JaLoser, he has acknowledged he was wrong. If no cap, he gets cut.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pm
with the emergence of shaughnessy and ellis being under contract, i doubt we get peppers.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Al got rid of them to rub it int he face of Kiffin he wanted Wilson, and Huff.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
That’s right, Spain did tell Bush to pound sand when he asked them to join him in the crime of the century. Good for Spain.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Mr Davis has routinely drafted Olineman and Dlineman in the first and second round. Since 2000 we have only done it with Gallery and Grove. A huge departure from traditional (pre 2000) Raider drafts.
We will get back to it since it is the last piece of the puzzle.We will also avoid high priced free agents.
Huge changes since Cable got involved and more are on the way. (Getting Seymour was just the start of the line focus).
We can go on and on about how it got this way but Lombardi had alot to do with it.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Vegas Raider, you have admit that the scene where Paul Rodriguez thinks the answering machine is Jesus talking to him, while he’s watching the Playboy channel, is a f’n riot.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
build the lines in ‘10
December 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
get me a beer
December 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
No Real Moron …I was speaking of the rebels and terrorists in their own country….try and keep up.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Charlie, routinely? Since Gallery, who? And who does Al plan to draft next year, to protect the tiny WCO QBs we know Al loves?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Sorry i ment Wilson, and Hall.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Spain was taken over by rebels and terrorists? I didn’t know that.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
If Cable isn’t fired and isn’t forced out of the ZBS the Raiders won’t spend any draft picks on O linemen in the 1st few rounds….Cable made it clear when he was hired that effective ZBS linemen can be had thru free agency and later rounds in the draft.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
I sure you wouldn’t you’re still working on a simple grasp of football
December 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Nice Win Yesterday,
Defense showed up big time,
Cable saved his job, Frye looked like a backup, as did JR. same mistakes, still not very accurate, nearly fumbled away game, again…
Bush and Dmac need to be the primary backs.
Grads is still the BEST QB on this team right now, and into next year.
JR’s problems are not going to be fixed in one off season, especially if he’s on the ‘tussin and Partyin’ on Friday nites instead of watching film…
December 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
LOL. OK, good answer, spellcheck.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Spellcheck
Was it me or someone else who embarrassed you out of your last moniker?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
that was great, I don’t care how they did it.
-good to see Bush getting his carries and lighting it up. That needs to continue.
- good to see Dmac poke his head out and say hello. Still issues with his game. Fumbilitis and cutting to the inside on the 4th a goal try, WTF?! You are supposed to be a speadster, head for the pylon. You have already proven you are not a hitter.
- And as for JaRuss, he still scares the sh-t out of me. Too slow for a nfl QB. Needs to cut 20lbs and work with a conditioning coach. And his accuracy still blows.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
hey spellcheck. instead of correcting people on typos, you ought to go back and read some of your previous posts. u dont know when to use your/you’re. i’ll give u a 4th grade grammar lesson. your is a possesive term. your ugly wife. your studid comments. get it? then we’ve got the contraction you’re. i.e. you’re an idiot. you’re a jacka$$. you’re not the one who should be questioning what people sound like when they speak. do u sound like miss teen south carolina when u speak?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Correction: Russell saved Cable’s job.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pm
hey just as i posted that, u correctly used you’re. GOOD JOB
December 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
If Cable wins one more game this season should he stay?????????
December 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
I live in Spain, no rebels here.
There are terrorist in the Basque Country, Spain. They want to be independent from Spain and thats not going to happen. I live in the Basque Country, but the terrorist obviously not, they are in South America and France and they just come to put a bomb or killing somebody (once every 2 years)
December 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Mr Davis has routinely drafted Olineman and Dlineman in the first and second round. Since 2000 we have only done it with Gallery and Grove. A huge departure from traditional (pre 2000) Raider drafts.
We will get back to it since it is the last piece of the puzzle.We will also avoid high priced free agents.
Huge changes since Cable got involved and more are on the way. (Getting Seymour was just the start of the line focus).
We can go on and on about how it got this way but Lombardi had alot to do with it.
^^^^^^^^^
When I look at the draft, if the Raiders get a 5-7 pick and if Suh falls to #3….they should seriously consider trading up for him.
Cut Warren…..restructure down Kellys contract and either tag Seymour or sign him to a 4 year deal. If they tag him and a team offers him a big deal and Raiders don’t match they get two 1st rounders.
Suh will be the next Seymour….IF not better! Suh is lighter and quicker than Seymour and probably stronger.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Anyone who doesn’t know who spellcheck is has to be new here. He’s in here today because it’s raining in Placerville and he can’t leave his trailer.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
surprised mitchell didn’t get flagged for shoving orton’s head down after hitting him on a blitz, knew yesterday was going to be a good game, we’ve played well in den the past 3yrs.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Spellcheck
How many times have you been forced to change your handle?
Would you like to release some of your previous failures?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Obama needs to stand up to the right wing terrorists right here in America.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
rmr, i not new but i dont know who speelcheck is. is it the genital?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Well New England we all know what you sound like….a typical North Eastener with a turd stuck under his tongue…go shovel yah Cah outta da snow.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
notice the speelcheck, i dont have spellcheck
December 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
dont gotta shovel car out of the snow. got a garage and a plow jackass
December 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pm
spellcheck…,how many norcos today…, glasses of wine.., what time’s dave picking you up in the RV?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Oh, and “Bri en” is bound to pop up, too. Wow, why can’t you even type Bri en? Who were those guys? They are uber banned. Can’t even type their name.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
SpellChick
Why so pathetic? Mommy didn’t love you?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
spell check u seem to have a problem with where people r from. where u from. probably a town where the men are men and the sheep are nervous. what’s the #1 rated tv show where ur at. TOUCHED BY AN UNCLE?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
come on you can do better than that.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
New England Raider, tell “spellcheck” to pull his trailer further away from the American River, before it swallows him, and all of his norco and wine.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
What time’s Dave picking you up today, spellcheck? And why aren’t you asking for Br ien?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
who’s are rb coach? need to stress ball security to dmac and bush. bush was fumbling with no one around him on the flat, got a lucky bounce on a fumble to henderson and well… dmac, what was it 3 lost fumbles to denver this yr. alone?
December 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pm
FoolKell you really overplay that psuedo psychology routine.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
SpellChick
Why so pathetic? Mommy didn’t love you?
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It’s not that she didn’t love him. It’s just that she threw him in a trash can after he was born and he found his way home.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pm
wow stooping to Joe Dirt now….try and be a little creative
December 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Well, it got silly in here. I think it’s because everyone knows that Frye is going to get his spleen broken with this offensive line protecting him. See y’all later. Heading to Warriors game..,Dave picking me up in the R.V…, some herbs and wine…,
December 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pm
i thought that jp foschi guy was one of those players that can only play for the raiders but turns out he can play, had 7 catches yesterday.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:32 pm
He was a FB for us, Foschi was a TE in College and is playing TE with Cincy, thats why he can play
December 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
that and he has a good qb, that has a good o-line as well
December 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
that and he has a good qb, that has a good o-line as well
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yeah, I guess thats important too
December 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pm
next week should be entertaining to say the least.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Vegas Raider, you have admit that the scene where Paul Rodriguez thinks the answering machine is Jesus talking to him, while he’s watching the Playboy channel, is a f’n riot.
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Rodriguez made the movie! LOL
December 21st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
hope we can spoil the ravens playoff hopes in a couple weeks.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
dame una cerveza!
December 21st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Is he my long lost PURPLE BROTHER?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!!!
December 21st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
raideredoutL.A. Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
who’s are rb coach? need to stress ball security to dmac and bush. bush was fumbling with no one around him on the flat, got a lucky bounce on a fumble to henderson and well… dmac, what was it 3 lost fumbles to denver this yr. alone?
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RB coach sucks….it’s that little chunky Penguin lookin guy Skip Peete I think.
He is nothing compared to Rathman!
December 21st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
We need to beat Cleveland, they only have one good thing: Josh Cribbs (The guy does it all: KR, PR, QB, RB and WR)
December 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
our rb’s should hold on to the ball like dude did in the movie “The Program”.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
MR
Traditional meaning pre 2000.
I did the analysis several months ago.
2000-2009 The Raiders invested fewer first and second round picks on lineman than any other ten year period in the history of the franchise.
It is NOT a coincidence that this decade has also been our worst.
As I said, Seymour indirectly was our first high round pick invested in the lines since Grove/Gallery in 2004.
More to come this April. Guaranteed.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
There are 7 vids in youtube showing how Kelly lost his pants, people is really bored
December 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
1 thing i noticed about cle is that their offense has had good starts, brady q has a passer rating of over 100 in the 1st quarter. our d has that bend but dont break tedency so it’ll be close.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Morilla says:
And as for JaRuss, he still scares the sh-t out of me. Too slow for a nfl QB. Needs to cut 20lbs and work with a conditioning coach. And his accuracy still blows.
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I think that FAT PIG needs more than 20 pounds, more like 40+ pounds to lose you must of been drunk off your A$$ that’s why you seen him that thin! I don’t think you seen the close-up on his FAT A$$ when he fumbled, DAM it was horrible he’s only 24 or so and his A$$ jiggles like JELL-O!!Imagine when the idiot hits 30. Shoot I’m 32, 6′4′,227 and I’m independent contractor, I can’t see his excuse for being that F’D UP!
December 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
MR
Traditional meaning pre 2000.
I did the analysis several months ago.
2000-2009 The Raiders invested fewer first and second round picks on lineman than any other ten year period in the history of the franchise.
It is NOT a coincidence that this decade has also been our worst.
As I said, Seymour indirectly was our first high round pick invested in the lines since Grove/Gallery in 2004.
More to come this April. Guaranteed.
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I would not guarantee anything….especially when it comes to lousy Al Davis making the first two picks!
Ugh….
This team needs a GM who knows to work the draft.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
see what our o does next week. more bush, looks like he has the patience for the holes to open up or is he that slow. the o-line must hate dmac, always running into their backs.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pm
spellcheck Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
If Cable isn’t fired and isn’t forced out of the ZBS the Raiders won’t spend any draft picks on O linemen in the 1st few rounds….Cable made it clear when he was hired that effective ZBS linemen can be had thru free agency and later rounds in the draft.
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And he was clearly WRONG about that. Pears, Harris, Barnes Satele LMAO
December 21st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
90210 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I think that FAT PIG needs more than 20 pounds, more like 40+ pounds to lose you must of been drunk off your A$$ that’s why you seen him that thin! I don’t think you seen the close-up on his FAT A$$ when he fumbled, DAM it was horrible he’s only 24 or so and his A$$ jiggles like JELL-O!!Imagine when the idiot hits 30. Shoot I’m 32, 6′4′,227 and I’m independent contractor, I can’t see his excuse for being that F’D UP!
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Sh-t , I would love for that dude to drop 40, but there is no way in hell that will happen. Not with his wok ethic.
Preferably, they should cut his ass after the season and take advantage of the new cap rule.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Spellcheck Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
come on you can do better than that.
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Nah, that’s the usual reason people cry out for attention. Neglected by Mom.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:54 pm
# Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:42
2000-2009 The Raiders invested fewer first and second round picks on lineman than any other ten year period in the history of the franchise.
More to come this April. Guaranteed.
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Guaranteed?
YOU guarantee it?
Is that like so many who GUARANTEED the Raiders would have the best tandem dbacks in the league, with Aso and Hall?
On the line of those that GUARANTEED Bey would be a td monster, tearing up the league?
The GUARANTEES that Russell would be a stud in ‘09?
Those kind of guarantees?
All guaranteeing means is you guarantee you’re an idiot for guaranteeing anything.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
DKNIGHT
As I said, Seymour was the start of it.
That move was not an accident. Indirectly Seymour is a first round Raider pick.
I am very confident of the following:
JR will be offered much less or be cut. He will accept the cut because it is more than he could get anywhere else.
The money saved will go to signing Seymour and Jano and next years first round lineman if we dratft at about ten.
Same with Kelly. He takes less money or he walks.
Warren will be cut and retire.
Walker,Hall,Wilson, Jordan, Curry are just examples of how Cable is cleaning up the poor values on this team.
Mr Davis supports it.
First three picks will be on the Oline and Dline.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
morilla Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
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Sh-t , I would love for that dude to drop 40, but there is no way in hell that will happen. Not with his wok ethic.
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Depends on what he puts in his wok.
I suspect JR’s more of a “Wok recipes for Hot Wings” kind of guy, in lieu of chicken stir fry.
that might be his problem.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Gotta love ESPN bashing Tomlin for going for the onside kick yesterday. When Belichick makes such calls, they talk about how he’s a daring, pioneer and a game changer. Tomlin does it and he’s a dumb black coach who doesn’t know what he’s doing. Steelers won, btw.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Charlie Frye just doesn’t look strong enough to play QB.
December 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pm
spellcheck Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
If Cable isn’t fired and isn’t forced out of the ZBS the Raiders won’t spend any draft picks on O linemen in the 1st few rounds….Cable made it clear when he was hired that effective ZBS linemen can be had thru free agency and later rounds in the draft.
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And he was clearly WRONG about that. Pears, Harris, Barnes Satele LMAO
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Exactly….
December 21st, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Charlie, you’re guaranteeing me we’ll draft some o linemen, you know, to protect our little tike WCO QBs Al Davis just loves, yet you won’t break down to me who, in which round, and what speedy receivers and cornerbacks you honestly believe Al would pass over to get such linemen. Sure you’re not just wishfully thinking?
December 21st, 2009 at 1:01 pm
# raideredoutL.A. Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
hope we can spoil the ravens playoff hopes in a couple weeks.
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See?
It’s this raider fan mentality that seems to permeate throughout the fan base.
It’s almost accepting that each year the only possible glimmer of hope is hoping you screw up someone else’s chances, accepting you never had a chance to begin with.
Yep, lol..Silver n Gloom and Doom has never reared it’s ugly head more than in the last few years in Oaksty.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Did you guys see Tommy Kelly get up with only his G-String on?
December 21st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pm
spellcheck Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:15 pm
If Cable isn’t fired and isn’t forced out of the ZBS the Raiders won’t spend any draft picks on O linemen in the 1st few rounds….Cable made it clear when he was hired that effective ZBS linemen can be had thru free agency and later rounds in the draft.
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And he was clearly WRONG about that. Pears, Harris, Barnes Satele LMAO
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About as wrong as you were about drafting McFadden and Foolkell was about Al Davis not opening his checkbook to give JaMac and cheese what he wanted to get him into camp and end his holdout.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Tommy Kelly should try that if we ever play the Patriots again. Get Brady all hot and bothered.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Charlie Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
DKNIGHT
As I said, Seymour was the start of it.
That move was not an accident. Indirectly Seymour is a first round Raider pick.
I am very confident of the following:
JR will be offered much less or be cut. He will accept the cut because it is more than he could get anywhere else.
The money saved will go to signing Seymour and Jano and next years first round lineman if we dratft at about ten.
Same with Kelly. He takes less money or he walks.
Warren will be cut and retire.
Walker,Hall,Wilson, Jordan, Curry are just examples of how Cable is cleaning up the poor values on this team.
Mr Davis supports it.
First three picks will be on the Oline and Dline.
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Thats what I see happening as well, when it comes to Russell and Kelly restructuring down their contracts for the benefit of the team.
Warren WILL be cut or retire without a doubt.
Don’t forget that this team needs a THUMPING BEAST of a MLB!
I could see them using one of the two 3rd round picks to draft a MLB.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Did you guys see Tommy Kelly get up with only his G-String on?
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Yeah he looked like your wife on your honeymoon.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Richochet, what the hell is wrong with fans rooting for their team to play spoiler? You’re on point when you debunk the kool aid drinkers in here, but why shyt on a fan just for being a fan? Get out of your house today and do something.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:06 pm
damn u sure combed through all posts, so u can make your assumptions. i care less of what u say, i usually skip from reading your posts cuz you’re a lame that just tries to redeem yourself from whatever troubles u on this blog.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Maryland OT Bruce Campbell is a BEAST who can play LT or RT!
December 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pm
how’s the niners doing now a days lick-ricochet
December 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Kelly reminded spellcheck of a few wives he’s had in his trailer park. Big ol’ ass with a g string, some wine, some norcos = Saturday night in spellcheck’s trailer, hee haw!
December 21st, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Talk O-line all you want, but this is still the AFC West and if you can’t effectively stop the run you ain’t going to the playoffs (or 1 and done if you do)….period
December 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
The team’s past three 100-yard rushing games belong to Bush, who had four carries for 9 yards over the last three weeks, since losing a fumble in the second half against Cincinnati.
“It was hard waiting because you think you should be out there playing and contributing,” said Bush, who averaged 5.0 yards in his 103 carries and regained the team lead with 519 yards.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/20/SPLL1B76JP.DTL#ixzz0aMNntNMO
December 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
schillens should of done the ride the donkey dance after his td
December 21st, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Hey Real Moron, get it right…I took the wheels off my trailer and set it on blocks, it’s a real home now.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:13 pm
San Diego’s run defense sucks, spellcheck.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Kell,
Jerry said it all yesterday on his twitter:
“Nice TD run, Bush. Now back to the bench”.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pm
And they’ll be one and done.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Wow I better open another bottle of Nasti Spumane or Championship Reisling, this bottle is empty.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I’m fresh out of NasCarbenet Sauvignon.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Boones makes sauvignon, now?
December 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pm
MR
I am sure you know about the past number ones and twos on the line such as Upshaw, A Smith, Wisnieski via trade, D Russell, Mcglockton etc. Just a FEW examples of how we have built teams in the past.
This year the following are examples of who we can get:
Oline; Oklahoma-Williams OK State-Okung Texas-Ulatoski WV-Capers and Rutgers Junior- Davis
Dline; Nebraska-Suh Oklahoma- Gewrald McCoy Syracuse- Arthur Jones
We have done it many times in the past with only two real line “BUSTS”. John Clay at OT and Bob Buchowski at DT due to a back injury.
Lombardi got us off track. Cable is helping us get back to basics.
Seymour was just the start of it.
December 21st, 2009 at 1:29 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Tomlin does it and he’s a dumb black coach who doesn’t know what he’s doing. Steelers won, btw.
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We’re talking about ESPN here, the boston loving, yankee sucking, patriot humping TV station!
Of course they’re gonna bash on Tomlin.
December 21st, 2009 at 2:21 pm
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
Did anyone see M-Bush chat with reporters yesterday. He said he cant understand why the fans boo the players, he said if they gonna do that why even show up to the game.
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At 30K per game….a lot of people aren’t bothering to show up.
Fans only showed their displeasure at the effort on the field. No one boos in a tough game…they haven’t played well this year. Blowouts are unacceptable…Redskins, Jets, Broncos, Texans, Giants…then DHB dropping TWO TD passes to lose the game in K.C….