Browns-Raiders no passing fancy
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, December 22nd, 2009 at 3:20 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The news out of Cleveland that Brady Quinn has been placed on injured reserve with a foot injury is cause for Elias Sports Bureau to fire up the computers.
Has there ever been an NFL game this late in the season where both starting quarterbacks had a passer rating under 50?
Anderson’s season has been so abysmal even JaMarcus Russell can turn up his nose at his numbers. Anderson has completed 42.9 percent of his passes (56-for-154) with two touchdowns and nine interceptions for a quarterback rating of 36.2.
Anderson had a game against Buffalo this year where he was 2-for-17 against Buffalo _ a game the Browns won 6-3. That was his only win in six starts.
Charlie Frye, should be pass neurological exams for a concussion and start, posted a 38.4 in his start against Denver. Admittedly, it was just one start.
But if Russell can’t play, and assuming Bruce Gradkowski can’t go, then Russell, with his 47.8 completion percentage, 49.6 passer rating and three touchdown passes and nine interceptions, would duel Anderson with with the possibility of a freezing wind coming off the lake.
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December 22nd, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Have two teams ever met with so much utter crap at QB??
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:22 pm
The question you have to ask yourselves is this; would it be better for Al to fire Cable at the end of this season or at 8 games or so into the 2010 season?
Either way Cable ain’t making it another full season in Oakland, so why not fire him when we might be able to hire a decent replacement instead of in the middle of next season when we might end up with Sanjay lal is interim HC?
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Our only hope is that Fargas is injured and Cable will once again be forced to go with Bush and McFadden.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 pm
I wouldn’t be upset if Cable got one year sans Jamarcus Russell.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Bush can train on the beach but McFadden might trip over the sand grains and get turf toe!
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:30 pm
It would be better if Cable wins COY like Vegas said.
If I am gonna play what if and maybe, I am gonne reach high instead of low
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:30 pm
I was really hoping that we would see Quinn this weekend.
Anderson should be good for a handful of sacks, at least one fumble and an INT. All in about 20 pass attempts.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Jerry
Given the fact that Al Davis is the boss of all things Raider, why is it that your reporting rarely mentions him?
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
With our inability to stop the run in most games, Anderson will have a game plan similar to ours. Ground game.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
If Tom Cable wins the last 2 games this year, hell he might receive some COY votes for this year!!
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Lets just hope Marshall has a plan to stop Jerome
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Stuff 8 in the box and make Derek beat us with his limp wrist
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:35 pm
KK
why is it you dont go to the game and go mano to mano on Al and his wheelchair.
Release the hate!
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Oh yeah, Jerry,
The 49ers and Raiders were on at the same time Sunday. The TV ratings according to Chronicle Live:
49ers 14.39
Raiders 4.70
On top of the persistent blackouts, do you think CBS will be renegotiating down?
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Winning these next two would be big, real big.
The Cleaveland steamers should be folding but Mangini has them playing hard. Just our luck to run into RR now. These encounters seldom end well for us lately.
The we play a Raven team playing as well as they have all year.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I think the Raiders start winning, those numbers reverse and CBS has to pony up more dollars for the pleasure of working Raider games.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
If the owners pushing to get rid of revenue sharing get their way, Davis will be forced to clean up his act, and fast.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I think KK has a fear of crowds or we would still be mourning Als demise and KK’s arrest.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
“I think if you’ve been a head coach, you understand the different things that go into any season,” Mangini said Tuesday. “Mike’s last year in Seattle, they had a tough season and were 4-12.”
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Uh….Mangini. You might want to focus on what’s going on in your own kitchen and not point out Holmgren’s record in Seattle to try to save your job. Besides, I wouldn’t think that pointing out the new boss’ prior failures would help you much.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Senior Beeecham, why do you hate Kell so much. I understand why you hate me and Charged Up. My superior intelligence makes you jealous, and Charged Up is, well, a Chargers fan. Kell is certainly no formidable foe. Your constant attacks on the poor man just makes you look petty and childish. However, I guess we should expect that from a retarded man-child such as yourself.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:42 pm
If the owners pushing to get rid of revenue sharing get their way, Davis will be forced to clean up his act, and fast.
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Don’t get revenue sharing mixed up with TV revenue sharing. The revenue sharing that is being talked about is only about $100 million being taken from the top 15 teams and given to the other 17 teams…only about $5.8 million dollars a year.
Big deal. Al’s custom doors almost cost that much.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
We should blow out Cleveland….isn’t that what this team needs….when have they really taken it to another team recently????
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Raider E Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
We should blow out Cleveland….isn’t that what this team needs….when have they really taken it to another team recently????
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Miami in 2007?
That was the last victory we had where I thought to myself…this might actually be the turnaround we have been waiting for!!!
Wrong.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Dakota Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Don’t get revenue sharing mixed up with TV revenue sharing. The revenue sharing that is being talked about is only about $100 million being taken from the top 15 teams and given to the other 17 teams…only about $5.8 million dollars a year.
Big deal. Al’s custom doors almost cost that much
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Dakota don’t buy into the hype.
Facts:
Davis sold shares in 06 to raise operating capital.
The Raiders, one of 2 teams to lose money in 2008′ (Seattle)
Davis is currently shopping more shares.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
This is my best year ever playing FF.
I have three teams playing in the championship.
Radioactive Rabbits
Mighty Boneheads
Bloghaters
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Out of how many leagues are you in?
My best year ever also.
I’m in four leagues and I’m in 3 Title games!
Would have been four out four in a title game but I started F Jackson as a flex ahead of Bradshaw (who would have thought) and I started Meachum ahead of Jennings. Oh well.
I’m in the money in 3 out of 4 FFL. Thats what I was hoping for going in.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I remember that, i was surprised by the game Fargus had, as I remember he ran well?
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I was in 6
three at yahoo
three at NFL.com
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm
AL DAVIS SUCKS!!
Get over it…..LOL
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
KK,
Al currently has a payroll of $154 million dollars, but that number contains a lot of old contracts that are coming up I believe, so with him getting his $127 million dollar check from the NFL from just the TV deal he should be able to make this team profitable in no time.
I think Al is just suffering from his 08 spending spree, and as long as he doesn’t do it again he will be fine.
If he truly has a portion of the team up for sale again, I think he will just use the money to make it rain for schit players again, so he might be going down the wrong path, but I can’t imagine him losing the Raiders due to finances. He would just have to lay off the free agents for a season or two and you can’t lose money in the NFL.
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Jamarcus plays scared, he walks around the huddle like his ahole is sucking up his bellybutton….
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Current Draft standings, win another game and Al will save BIG money on his 1st round pick this year:
1 RAMS 1 0.531
2 LIONS 2 0.513
3 BUCCANEERS 2 0.558
4 BROWNS 3 0.509
5 CHIEFS 3 0.527
6 REDSKINS 4 0.500
7 SEAHAWKS 5 0.469
8 BEARS 5 0.487
9 BILLS 5 0.513
10 RAIDERS 5 0.518
11 49ERS 6 0.487
12 PANTHERS 6 0.549
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
He could just trade down lol
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Jerry
Given the fact that Al Davis is the boss of all things Raider, why is it that your reporting rarely mentions him?
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’cause he doesn’t play???
what do i win??? is it good???
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Anyone who is actually dumb enough to invest in the Raiders with Al Davis making the decisions is INSANE!!
HAHA
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
maybe Jerry should add one of those creepy AD pictures to every post lol….
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Dakota – You make a good point but I’m not sure it’s quite as simple as you make it. Why does Davis keep selling pieces of the team? Why does he sometimes make trades involving money? Every little bit helps.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Anyone who is actually dumb enough to invest in the Raiders with Al Davis making the decisions is INSANE!!
HAHA
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No kidding…unless of course you have inside info that he has a terminal disease.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Dakota
I’m just saying, Al Davis and the Raiders are paupers by NFL standards.
And with his welfare payments in jeopardy, and un-capped salaries ahead, he is not invulnerable to capitalism.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Florida Pete Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Jerry
Given the fact that Al Davis is the boss of all things Raider, why is it that your reporting rarely mentions him?
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’cause he doesn’t play???
what do i win??? is it good???
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Well by your simple logic, does the Head Coach play?
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:12 pm
The Big Banana Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Dakota – You make a good point but I’m not sure it’s quite as simple as you make it. Why does Davis keep selling pieces of the team? Why does he sometimes make trades involving money? Every little bit helps.
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Because he has the highest payroll with one of the lowest stadium generated income. BUT, he is never going to lose the team due to money…he may have to close his purse strings like he did last year, but with the TV contract there is no frigging way.
The only reason Al wants to sell part of his team again is to get some cash for another free agent frenzy IMO, which will hurt his bottom line, but it won’t put him under.
Or, another reason he might be selling non-controlling shares of the team is for estate planning purposes. His estate will owe major taxes when he dies and he might just be selling those shares off to feather his liquid account in case something happens to him and his estate has to pay taxes on his assets.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
NFL Owners making welfare payments to Al Davis have to be dismayed by his throwing their money away.
Dakota,
You of all people surely don’t believe welfare Queens should be driving Cadillacs, do you?
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Dakota
I’m just saying, Al Davis and the Raiders are paupers by NFL standards.
And with his welfare payments in jeopardy, and un-capped salaries ahead, he is not invulnerable to capitalism.
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Hey, I hope you are right.
I think the key will be the next TV contract…it might drop dramatically due to the economy and that could hurt Al if another salary cap is not in place that ties players’ salaries to revenue.
Cross your fingers!
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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December 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
oooooops, time to go home!
Night all.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:18 pm
What Up Nation.
Winning is a Great de oderant. (Madden…a long time ago.)
I think…Cable gets 1 more year.
I think…Bush should be the starting HB work horse.
I think…Chaz, Murphy and JLH should be are our Wr set.
I think.. Cable needs to use Mcfadden more effectively.
I think…Our Defense is a good MLB and a stout DT tackle away from being much better.
I think we need to upgrade our o line.
I think… Kell needs to give it a rest.
I think…Tom Cables arm position after a win has zero meaning.
I think Al should hire a GM.
I think Al is stubborn and a GM may never happen.
I think… Florida Pete is one funny Mfer.
I think..Merry Christmas and happyn Holidays to all of my Raider brothers.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I think… I just stated the obvious. : )
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
You people should learn about what you try and pawn off here. Davis sold shares in 06 but he never owned them prior. Al Davis bought shares from the family of a partner that had died to put to rest disagreements with the family. Al Davis dumped a headache and made a profit in doing so.
I have to laugh at all the talk for many a year of Al Davis and the Raiders and the lack of money. “they will never be able to resign their free agents, they cannot sign a number one pick, since they signed a number one pick last year they will not be able to keep their 4th pick and have to trade it, they cannot bring in any free agents, they can never resign both Shane and Nnamdi”.
Get a life, Al Davis could buy and sell the lot of you going back through your family trees. Sure he wants a modern place to play so he can stay with the other clubs but you do not have glass doors that are a work of art put on a second home when you are hard up for cash.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Snnyjcbs Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
You people should learn about what you try and pawn off here. Davis sold shares in 06 but he never owned them prior. Al Davis bought shares from the family of a partner that had died to put to rest disagreements with the family. Al Davis dumped a headache and made a profit in doing so.
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You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Hence the throw away moniker.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pm
WELL SAID SNNYJCBS
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Snnyjcbs Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Sure he wants a modern place to play so he can stay with the other clubs but you do not have glass doors that are a work of art put on a second home when you are hard up for cash.
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Sounds like a person who has no concept of money.
Money like everything else is RELATIVE Dumbass! lol. geeze.
Never said he would be homeless.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Sure he’s got more money than me & you, dumbass.
He’s trailer trash compared to the Hunts in KC, Pat Bowlen in Denver and everybody else in the AFC West.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I think y’all ought to just give up the “Fire Cable” nonsense.
He is NOT going to be fired, nor should he be.
As I’ve said repeatedly, every single time the Raiders have had competent QB play, they’ve won this year.
Every time the Raiders have had atrocious QB play, they’ve lost.
See a pattern?
This team is playing hard for this coach, and they’re getting better and better.
And he’s improving as well.
I love his take on the 4th and 3 failed attempt from this past Sunday. He questioned his own decision after the fact, but, the team kept playing hard for him and they won.
I love the fact that he’s aggressive (too much sometimes), but, what the hell – you’re out of the playoff race. Why would you NOT go for it on 4th and 3?
If he had NOT gone for it, all you clowns would be calling for his head.
Some of you already have your minds made up and that’s fine.
Those of you who possess the ability to be objective and watch how things unfold would realize that this is a good coach who’s getting better and better.
And his team is growing with him.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Albert Bigelow, you little English sissy, it’s always a nice surprise when you mother allows you to log onto the blog.
I’m sure you get really proud of yourself when you try to insult the adults on the blog. I can just see you hopping around your room in your little pink pajamas clapping your manicured hands together in ecstasy.
But remember, little dude – standing up for old racists like Krappy will only get you reprimanded by Mommy. All those years of boarding school should’ve taught you different!
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
I know a lot more than you think, I have walked through those glass doors. I have to laugh at all the garbage that many of you spout off here as fact. You people live in a fantacy land. You do not spend the millions upon millions as Al Davis has done over the years hard up for cash. You should have seen the money he dropped just on his birthday party every year here in Vegas.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Koolkell:
Have you EVER seen Al Davis come up short when cash was needed to pay a player he wanted to keep?
Answer is no.
So, as a fan, why do you give a crap how much money he has or doesn’t have?
Got nothin’ else to worry about?
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Silver-N-Smac Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Koolkell:
Have you EVER seen Al Davis come up short when cash was needed to pay a player he wanted to keep?
Answer is no.
So, as a fan, why do you give a crap how much money he has or doesn’t have?
Got nothin’ else to worry about?
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He moved my beloved Raiders in 1982 because he said he would’nt be able to compete financially.
Well, now I hope it’s true, to wrest control from his decrepit old hands.
“By any means necessary”
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Dakota Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Current Draft standings, win another game and Al will save BIG money on his 1st round pick this year:
1 RAMS 1 0.531
2 LIONS 2 0.513
3 BUCCANEERS 2 0.558
4 BROWNS 3 0.509
5 CHIEFS 3 0.527
6 REDSKINS 4 0.500
7 SEAHAWKS 5 0.469
8 BEARS 5 0.487
9 BILLS 5 0.513
10 RAIDERS 5 0.518
11 49ERS 6 0.487
12 PANTHERS 6 0.549
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If this winds up being the Raiders final draft position….the a TRADE DOWN should be much easier than if they were in the top 5.
Teams do not want to trade up into the top 5 anymore, because guess what..they are smart and don’t want to pay big money to unproven rookies.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Krappy, we’re all hoping we wrest control of the mouse on your keyboard from your decrepit old hands.
2010 – the year we get Krappy committed to an old folks home with an unlimited supply of metal bedpans!
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Koolkell:
You sure don’t talk about the Raiders as though they are your “beloved team”.
All I sense is a whole lot of bitterness.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
snnyjcbs Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pm
I know a lot more than you think, I have walked through those glass doors. I have to laugh at all the garbage that many of you spout off here as fact. You people live in a fantacy land. You do not spend the millions upon millions as Al Davis has done over the years hard up for cash. You should have seen the money he dropped just on his birthday party every year here in Vegas.
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What I do know….is that Al Davis has ruined the Raider franchise by stupid decision making the last 7 years.
The crappiness will continue as long as he is making the football and day to day operational decisions.
Like I said before….investors would be stupid to give Al money with him making the decisions.
The SMART investment with the Raiders is to put money down just as long as the looney old man is NOT making the decisions. LOL
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Silver-N-Smac Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Koolkell:
You sure don’t talk about the Raiders as though they are your “beloved team”.
All I sense is a whole lot of bitterness.
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I don’t know where you’re from. But my views are pretty common around here (Oakland Bay Area). Especially from the old-timers, who know better.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
DKnight:
That “Looney old man” has put together a youth-filled team that has shown that it is on the cusp of being a good team, so long as they get adequate QB play.
If there’s anything we’ve learned from this season, it’s that.
Add a couple of good O-Lineman and a fire-spittin’ middle linebacker to this team and you suddenly have a playoff team.
Again – that all depends on the QB play. Gradkowsi has already shown that the level of the ENTIRE team goes up when the QB is playing well for the Raiders.
So. . . . .
Is that “old man” really all that “looney’???
You can dwell on the past all you want, and that’s fine.
But let’s talk about THIS roster.
After all, this roster is what the “looney old man” has been putting together for the past 7 years.
You think DHB is a bust? Hell no – I don’t.
You think D-Mac is a bust? Hell no – I don’t.
You think JaMarcus is a bust? Well. . .to be determined. I personally don’t.
There are some fantastic young players scattered across this roster.
Now we need continued experience and consistency.
Not another freakin’ overhaul.
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
I’m from Mars.
Who gives a crap where I’m from or where you’re from?
I love the Raiders and I bleed optimism for the Raiders.
Not Hate.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pm
DHB, DMAC, Russell are busts.
They have not played to the expectations of their draft status.
If those three were re-entered into the draft today….Russell would go undrafted, DMAC and DHB would be 4th round picks.
Chris Johnson, Matt Ryan, Percy Harvin…that’s what a top 10 pick is supposed to look like. Not fill-in role players or all-out busts the Raiders attract in the 1st round
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
DKnight:
That “Looney old man” has put together a youth-filled team that has shown that it is on the cusp of being a good team, so long as they get adequate QB play.
If there’s anything we’ve learned from this season, it’s that.
Add a couple of good O-Lineman and a fire-spittin’ middle linebacker to this team and you suddenly have a playoff team.
Again – that all depends on the QB play. Gradkowsi has already shown that the level of the ENTIRE team goes up when the QB is playing well for the Raiders.
So. . . . .
Is that “old man” really all that “looney’???
You can dwell on the past all you want, and that’s fine.
But let’s talk about THIS roster.
After all, this roster is what the “looney old man” has been putting together for the past 7 years.
You think DHB is a bust? Hell no – I don’t.
You think D-Mac is a bust? Hell no – I don’t.
You think JaMarcus is a bust? Well. . .to be determined. I personally don’t.
There are some fantastic young players scattered across this roster.
Now we need continued experience and consistency.
Not another freakin’ overhaul.
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How many phases of rebuilding has the looney old man gone through in 7 years??
3 maybe 4?
Thats 4 times too many.
Unacceptable…..
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
We all know Al’s M.O. for firing coaches.
Go to the locker room, talk to the players.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:13 pm
they got 6 years combined….so in that light Gannon is a bust to
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
4evaraider…
I have a question for you… you still want to get rid of Michael Bush?, you still think he’s crap, and lastly you still want to draft a RB in the 1st round???
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:54 pm
LMN,
I still don’t think Bush is that good, or he would be good more than 2 or 3 times a year. He fumbles too much and asks out of games. Our O-line just kicked the crap out of the Donks this weekend. See the 20 yard TD, he was barely even touched.
He is our best RB, but I don’t think that is saying much.
December 22nd, 2009 at 5:59 pm
I think Bush is the best all around back we have right now! Fagas has heart, McFadden has speed, and Bush has a little of everything.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Bush is our best back, no doubt about that.
But how many teams does Bush start for in the NFL?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pm
4eva and Vegas are on the official bush hater list!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I’m not a hater 408!! When dude has the ball I am cheering his azz on big time.
I just don’t think all three of our RB’s are that good. They all have some sort of flaws in their game. Bush just has the least flaws.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:12 pm
The last 3 100yd games have come from Bush, the 3rd stringer.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:13 pm
LMN….
1.Yes ,I would like to trade Bush.
2.Never said he is crap or no good.I think he has the Jmac syndrome,thinks he’s great so he dont put in the required time.I have no way of knowing how much time he dedicates himself but he is the only RB I have ever seen that needs “me” time.
3.I want the defense fixed first.But like Big Al….If Javid Best? I 4get his last name,but if he is there when we pick I dont think I could pass on him
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Vegas…. I think the Oline has alot to do with our backs performance.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
408, you are absolutly right!!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:18 pm
vegas…
no doubt he isnt a top5 RB yet, but he sure is our best… problem is that Cable never uses him the right way.. well sometimes… just as he almost never uses McFadden the right way…
I think he should use them both more often at the SAME time, with McFadden as a Wes Welker type…
reason why i asked 4EVAraider, is that last week he said Bush was crap and we should pick a RB in the RB in the first round which to me was an totally imbecile suggestion…
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Gee 408 I agree!!!! =)
Walker = roadgrader at guard,hell pay him Tackle money and keep him at LG….Gallery’s back being the ?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Vegas…
futhermore…
Bush would have such a game each week if our Oline played like they did against denver…
and regarding his breathers, well Adrian Peterson would have to get off the field if his coach called so many stupid run plays in row, AND with such an O-line…
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
LMN,
I’ve been preaching trading Bush and a 3rd rounder for a Jonathan Stewart, Marshawn Lynch type. I could be swayed away if both Bush and Darren keep improving like the last couple weeks.
I think all of our RB’s would struggle to get carries on other teams around the league, and plenty of backups could come here and start.
When you think you have 3 RB’s, you really don’t have any.
But yes, Cable doesn’t use Bush right. Don’t know what to say about Darren, can’t use him as WR with Russell, because, well…Russell doesn’t complete passes to WR’s.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Bush is better than Ahmad Bradshaw, no doubt about that…
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Please!!!
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
had Bush played for NYG, he would beover 1000
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Wasnt Bradshaw in on every play of that 16 play,80 drive vs.Redskins lastnight?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I agree with Vegas Raider to certain extent. I think we need to wait it out with Mcfadden. Bush is a good runner with decent speed, but he’s not a speed back. Fargas has good ball security (of the three) and good acceleration and OKAY power, but he’s not a speed back or a power back. All three of them need 20 carries a game to be good. Mcfadden need not 20 carries but 20 touches i.e. Catches and WildCat. But in the end it doesn’t matter what we write on this blog. Al Davis doesn’t give a Shiite what we think. Even if it makes sense.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:34 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Bush is better than Ahmad Bradshaw, no doubt about that…
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December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Im loosing patience wit the ZBS . We need a power blocking line with some real Olinemen
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Truth is if we stuck with the run and ran MORE power. One of the above mentioned backs would be over a 1,000 yards. we’d have won two more games. But what hurt us the most was Jamasterbate at QB and McFadden’s knee injury. What was funny was we ran the ball well against Denver the first time, Mcfadden kept coughing up the ball and Jamasterbate was completing passes to the other team. In the end our QB received a game ball from Josh Mcdaniels the first go around.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Wasnt Bradshaw in on every play of that 16 play,80 drive vs.Redskins lastnight?
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something bush could do with that NYG o-line too
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Can’t blame Cable too much on Fargas THIS year. When he and Gary Russell started playing, it gave the team a little spark.
Now Bush should get the bulk of the carries to see if he has one of his “hot” spells.
But Bush runs hot/cold. And another fumble this past week. Our RB’s consistantly fumble more than the team we are playing. Almost weekly.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Vegas
Bush has a 4.7 ypc, for his brief career for the Oakland Raiders.
You think you can bring in backups from all over the league to beat that?
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
thats what we had vs. donkeys
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Maybe LMN
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Bush has 198 total carries, 3 fumbles.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Im loosing patience wit the ZBS . We need a power blocking line with some real Olinemen
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the reason we won against Denver was exactly BECAUSE of the ZBS.. denver couldnt stop their old scheme
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
fugg the donkeys! Im still happy about that win. Can’t wait 4 the days where I expect a SB again 4 now I will roll with beating the donkeys….
smh
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
LOL Pears,Mario,Walker were going straight forward and pancakeing the donkeys
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Vegas
Bush has a 4.7 ypc, for his brief career for the Oakland Raiders.
You think you can bring in backups from all over the league to beat that?
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What is he averaging 6-7 carries a game? Yeah I think giving that few of carries lots of guys can hang around 5 ypc.
And remember the long runs don’t count, lol
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 pm
# vegas raider Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
But Bush runs hot/cold. And another fumble this past week. Our RB’s consistantly fumble more than the team we are playing. Almost weekly.
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so would any other RB in this league, when the O-linemen is in the way for the runner… this line isnt what Cable intends thats for sure =)
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
LMN..
Agreed.. but 4 or 5 wins is harshing my buzz. Power blocking with competent linemen would improve our win total IMO
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
LMN..
Agreed.. but 4 or 5 wins is harshing my buzz. Power blocking with competent linemen would improve our win total IMO
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zbs with competent linemen would also improve our win total
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Vegas
Bush has 198 total carries, 3 fumbles. 0.19%
Fargas 827 carries, 10 fumbles. 0.82%
Ok? If I can just get you guys to be honest.
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Patience LMN, Patience. A RB must have this. Darren ran right into Lawton, who ended up making a nice block, and fumbled.
Not good.
But hey we won, and Mike Mitchell punched Orton in the head. I’m happy
Good evening nation, going to go watch this Bears hoops game
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:53 pm
LMN
LOL… True..
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:55 pm
vegas…
I was really excited about Huff, before the season i wanted him cut, now i want him back…
I really like this DC, with just a proper MLB and a better CB thn cris johnson/ s routt, we might have us a defense again =)
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Chris Johnson 552 carries 3 fumbles. 0.55%
See what I’m saying Vegas?
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:00 pm
108 is wrong excuse me.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Build our O-Line, D-Line, NT, No one touches us, period. We have so much young talent, that’s starting to gel, I understand what Al is trying to do, JR is just not on the same play book. He’s now getting the message, let’s see what he does with it!
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Todd…
I agree, you just forgot a proper run-stopping MLB!
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Alright never mind
Bush fumbles 1.5% of his carries
Fargas fumbles 1.2% of his carries
Chris Johnson fumbles 0.5% of his carries
Pardon me, Vegas.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
LMN, throw him in, also, but we are so close, critic’s besides.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:15 pm
LMN, Mike Mitchell will develope well, with the right coaching, I dont have a whole lot of expectations with this current crop of coaches, our D-Line pride has been carring us, IMHO!
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Mike Michell will absolutely develop to some thing great, Branch already is on his path, but we need 3 safety’s, and I see Huff as that 3rd guy, he has done a great job this season, and i wanted him dumpded LOL =)
he had 3 important INTS, and he covered Brandon Marshall at the absolutely right times…
and remember we need 3 safety’s, if we dump him I think he just will turn out to what we hope he be…
He has been ruined by Rob ‘freaking’ Ryan (god I hate that guy) but now with a new DC shows what he can do…
Im hoping he will be back, he already down in salary so he is somewhat cheap =)
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:26 pm
well thats it for me, see ya guys sometime… im snotty and its cristmas “oh what a great time” :/
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm
FoolKell must have got a calculator for Christmas and a 3rd grader to show him how it works.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Welcome back Oakglen!
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# spellcheck Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:40 pm
FoolKell must have got a calculator for Christmas and a 3rd grader to show him how it works.
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
C Johnson probably has twice the carries as the other 2 which make his #’2 even better.
C Johnson also runs untouched through his O-line which makes NOT fumbling an easier task.
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KoolKell Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Alright never mind
Bush fumbles 1.5% of his carries
Fargas fumbles 1.2% of his carries
Chris Johnson fumbles 0.5% of his carries
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
M Shaughnessy vs L Murphy, who is our rookie of the year?
Id hate to have to choose. I really like Shaughnessy’s play!
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 pm
okay…
who turned out the lights???
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Programming Note:
Inside A Cult.
Tomorrow at 8pm National Geographic.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
M Shaughnessy vs L Murphy, who is our rookie of the year?
Id hate to have to choose. I really like Shaughnessy’s play!
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Not even close.
Murphy easily….
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Huff better be kept on this team.
He has finally developed in his 4th year.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:40 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 6:48 pm
LMN..
Agreed.. but 4 or 5 wins is harshing my buzz. Power blocking with competent linemen would improve our win total IMO
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POWER Zone Blocking is what is needed.
Carlisle and Morris are too small and a bigger long armed athletic RT is needed. Gallery is good at LG and L Walker should compete for the starting RG position next year.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Silver-n-Smac Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 pm
DKnight:
That “Looney old man” has put together a youth-filled team that has shown that it is on the cusp of being a good team, so long as they get adequate QB play.
If there’s anything we’ve learned from this season, it’s that.
Add a couple of good O-Lineman and a fire-spittin’ middle linebacker to this team and you suddenly have a playoff team.
Again – that all depends on the QB play. Gradkowsi has already shown that the level of the ENTIRE team goes up when the QB is playing well for the Raiders.
So. . . . .
Is that “old man” really all that “looney’???
You can dwell on the past all you want, and that’s fine.
But let’s talk about THIS roster.
After all, this roster is what the “looney old man” has been putting together for the past 7 years.
You think DHB is a bust? Hell no – I don’t.
You think D-Mac is a bust? Hell no – I don’t.
You think JaMarcus is a bust? Well. . .to be determined. I personally don’t.
There are some fantastic young players scattered across this roster.
Now we need continued experience and consistency.
Not another freakin’ overhaul.
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I don’t think DMC is a bust….he is just not being used properly.
Russell and DHB have a long way to go.
The problem is the old man doesn’t know who to spend money on free agents and doesn’t allow coaches to do what it takes to win in this day and age of football.
An example is him insisting on “vertical passing attack” and man to man defense rush four defense with hardly no blitzing. Predictable schemes like that doesn’t cut it in this day and age of football if you want to consistently win.
He doesn’t realize what is good for the franchise and fans. Just cares about what is good for himself and his ego…..
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
These young players have to realize they have to stay in shape ALL YEAR LONG
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Yeh, and Al Davis needs to realize that some young players are self disciplined and some aren’t, and which ones are which. It’s kind of his job, in case he forgot.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
None of our players are failing, as players, more than Al Davis is failing as an owner/GM. Not even Russell.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Programming Note:
Inside A Cult.
Tomorrow at 8pm National Geographic.
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Ha ha ha!!!
Direct hit, Kell.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
These young players have to realize they have to stay in shape ALL YEAR LONG
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Yeh, and Al Davis needs to realize that some young players are self disciplined and some aren’t, and which ones are which. It’s kind of his job, in case he forgot.
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Yep, the old looney man needs to wake and realize that he needs to stop letting these players slide when it comes to staying in shape all off season and being in the shape when they come to camp.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:50 pm
None of our players are failing, as players, more than Al Davis is failing as an owner/GM. Not even Russell.
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Agreed….thats’ why a new GM/Head of Football operations is needed to work with the head coach.
The old man can’t handle it anymore. He peaked along time ago.
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
These young players have to realize they have to stay in shape ALL YEAR LONG
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Yeh, and Al Davis needs to realize that some young players are self disciplined and some aren’t, and which ones are which. It’s kind of his job, in case he forgot.
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Yep, the old looney man needs to wake and realize that he needs to stop letting these players slide when it comes to staying in shape all off season and being in the shape when they come to camp.
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Chuck Noll said, ” If I have to motivate you, I’m gonna cut you.”
Being in shape, knowing the playbook. These are basic job requirements. If you cannot attain those levels, then move on.
December 22nd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:52 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 3:18 pm
These young players have to realize they have to stay in shape ALL YEAR LONG
…………….
Yeh, and Al Davis needs to realize that some young players are self disciplined and some aren’t, and which ones are which. It’s kind of his job, in case he forgot.
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Yep, the old looney man needs to wake and realize that he needs to stop letting these players slide when it comes to staying in shape all off season and being in the shape when they come to camp.
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Chuck Noll said, ” If I have to motivate you, I’m gonna cut you.”
Being in shape, knowing the playbook. These are basic job requirements. If you cannot attain those levels, then move on.
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It’s different now though. The amount of money todays football players make has had a negative effect, when it comes to who plays for the love of the game, and who is just trying to collect a big paycheck.
December 22nd, 2009 at 9:26 pm
DKnight, the teams that win manage to find the players that do take their jobs seriously. I can see how as a Raider fan, it’s easy to think that all players are lazy and need to be motivated. But it’s not the case with the better teams in the league, at least for the most part.
December 22nd, 2009 at 9:27 pm
DKnight007,
Fair point.
I think when players enter the league and are handed 30 Million guaranteed, it takes away the hunger to succeed that others have had.
I think JaMarcus may have let all the money go to head, and not realize that his career just started.
I think DHB is a case where he can’t handle the pressure of being the first WR chosen and the fame that comes along with it.
But still, money or no money, it is up to the player to find the motivation within himself. If they can’t do it, then they should be replaced.
Brett Favre and Jerry Rice are two players who have great drive and desire. They didn’t need to be pushed even though they have enough cash and fame.
December 22nd, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Players are not ultimately responsible for the Raiders fortunes.
Al Davis is, he’s the boss.
December 22nd, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Players are responsible for themselves and their families.
Al Davis is responsible for the Raiders.
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 am
In 2007 Derek Andersen stilll put a up a qB rating 82.5 which is higher than JaBustus ever has in 3 years.
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:43 am
lookin at this BYU oregon state game and this max hall kid looks pretty solid hope we can get em in like the 5th.
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:43 am
# DKnight007 Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
M Shaughnessy vs L Murphy, who is our rookie of the year?
Id hate to have to choose. I really like Shaughnessy’s play!
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Not even close.
Murphy easily….
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Good Morning…
though i have to admit Shaughnessy has played well (and his knees still not ripped apart, you know what i mean), he really gains from scott moving backfield to WSLB…
But that said, Shaughnessy is no where near Murphy, not only has murphy been a steal, he has, dare i say it been our best player entirely, not just rookie, but best damn player, he has outshined them all, and with him and Schilens we have two good WRs (man i hate the DHB pick)..
December 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 am
As I said earlier, Kell. There is no single player on the Raiders right now who’s failing more as a player than Al Davis is as an owner/GM.
December 23rd, 2009 at 3:41 am
Good Morning NATION and Happy Hoilday’s To ALL!!!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 3:42 am
Mistabrown Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 8:00 pm
M Shaughnessy vs L Murphy, who is our rookie of the year?
Id hate to have to choose. I really like Shaughnessy’s play!
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Man is this a hard one or what?
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December 23rd, 2009 at 4:06 am
I dunno….Murph’s had some drops,but thats to be expected from rookies….
Shaunessy has been real solid….
FLIP A COIN,IMO
December 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 am
Merry Christmas Jon Becker and Jerry Mac
FINE FINE PRODUCT YA GOT HERE
December 23rd, 2009 at 4:39 am
there is quiet in raiderland…
everyone is sleeping…
shhhh…
December 23rd, 2009 at 4:48 am
=)
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 am
Will a loss to lowly Browns again take all the fun out of Broncos victory if you can beat good teams bad 1 shouldn’t be so hard.
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:16 am
The Raiders need to dump salary and bad players in the offseason. First, if JaBust does not restructure, he will be cut before his bonus is due. Which would probably be late in the pre-season. DHB needs to go to the bench and stay there. He is not an NFL caliber WR, he has the worst hands ever for a wr picked at the number 7 spot in the draft. DHB is a bum and needs to go. There will be many changes on the Raiders roster due to the fact that the Raiders can cut some dead weight. Work on the 0-line and D-line in the offseason and move forward.
No Jabust and no DHB will make it a great year for the Raiders next season…
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:35 am
They way we draft in 1 just trade pick don’t need any more DHB and that’s all al drafts in 1rd how long ago did he draft Nhamdi and yes gallery is a crappy pick you don’t draft 2 overall for an ok G.
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:40 am
32…..I know you know Gallery was the higest rated,sure-fire LT out of Iowa when he came out
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:42 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
I wish I was sleeping, Pete…LOL
Si that means it would be the duel of the incompetent qb’s? Gawd, I hope we beat Robo the Slobo…and the so called Man Genius…who just may get replaced by Chuckie at season’s end…haha!
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:45 am
Morning Hwnrdr!
Wow now theres a thought
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:46 am
That is right 4eva…and what’s his name at Center…those were the “must haves” of that draft of…2004? had to be, right?
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:51 am
now i am going to go on record…
(as if that means anything)…
the Gallery and Grove picks were the correct picks in that draft…
in my opinion Gallery should have been put into the LT position and left there…
Grove was not a bad pick… he just didn’t become what we hoped for…
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:52 am
now… if you want to talk about bad drafts…
may i nominate the 2009 draft…
should be a slam dunk for the worst draft in Raider history…
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:02 am
I dont want to remember Hwnrdr lol!!!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:02 am
A good morning to the AM crew.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:03 am
You know…I watched the Denver game again last night…Luke Lawton missed on his block that would have gotten Bush in the end zone on that series that we went 4 and none…correct me if I’m wrong…
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:03 am
Well Pete I hope you strike gold with your new record =)
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 am
Morning Neilb!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:05 am
Pete, I disagree. #156
I think Heyward-Bey, Murphy, Mitchell, Shaughnessy & Myers will be much better next season.
sometimes it takes a few years for young guys to “get it”
However, I understand your point. Value for the picks was terrible. could have traded down or selected a different player and then traded back up, etc.
Last year was worse imo. drafting McFadden when we already had Jordan, Rhodes, Fargas, Bush & Echemandu was mind blowing. Even more of a head scratcher was passing on Ryan Clady (best ZBS tackle in the draft) to give Kwame Harris a shot at LT!
2007 was an awful year to draft a QB.
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Kevin Kolb
John Beck
Drew Stanton
Trent Edwards
Jeff Rowe
Troy Smith
Jordan Palmer
Tyler Thigpen
Kolb might be the best of the bunch!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 am
At the time everyone said Gallery and Grove were the right picks.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 am
Morning 4eva!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:09 am
Morning Neilb…yup…that is why we got them, and they both didn’t turn out as planned. Well, Gallerey is playing well, imo, but he was not supposed to be a Guard…!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:09 am
Good Morning Rockstar…
Wow! What a list of qb’s!!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:10 am
I wanted Dorsey instead of Dmac and Raji instead of DHB.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:11 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,2 MUCH MONEY INVOLVED THESE DAY’S IN TOP TEN PICK’S, WILL BE UNTIL THE LEAGUE / PLAYER’S UNION RESTRUCTURE ROOKIE SALARY-CAP,
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 am
good morning Hwnrdr!
top of the mornin’ AM crew!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 am
I wanted Dmac and Mack
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:13 am
—”The Falcons have not allowed 100 rushing yards to an opposing back since Week 3.Curtis Lofton, the Falcons’ second-round pick in 2008, has a lot to do with this. Playing on all three downs, Lofton is second in the NFL in tackles with 128. He’s a strong candidate to go to the Pro Bowl”—
This id exactly what we need to be better on D
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:13 am
Hwnrdr…
I’ve nothing against either player,but when you look at who was taken third it’s enough to pull your hair out !
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:15 am
Good morning nation!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:15 am
….and good morning LMN.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:17 am
I would worry about the QB’s this is going to be all on the ground.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:20 am
good morning Neil…
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 am
Yup…#3, 5, 7, and 11 that year! RIP to #5!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 am
I DO NOT GO 4 THE RAIDERS COULD HAVE HAD THIS GUY INSTEAD OF THAT GUY.NO ONE KNOWS HOW IT WILL WORK OUT..PEYTON MANNING MAY HAVE STUNK IT UP LIKE RUSSELL IN OAKLAND..
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
I TOTALLY agree Dirt-Lot
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 am
Considering we wasted our first two draft picks and endured the turmoil of Hansen-gate and a fat burger-eating waste of bum wipe as a failed leader on the offensive side of the ball, we’re only a defensive stand (San Diego) and a touchdown drive (K.C.) away from being .500 — and that exceeds the expectations of almost all the so-called “experts” before the year started. I was crying when we didn’t pick up Raji in Round One, and stunned when we picked up the Ohio Bobcat in Round Two. Other than Murphy, not much from this year’s crop!
Fast forward — I think Cable should stay. First priority is draft the best available offensive lineman in Round One (hopefully, either Okung or Williams will still be there). If we could be lucky enough to have Dunlap fall to us in Round Two, that would be sweet.
We can’t do anything with DHB, other than hope he becomes a dependable third option. We may have to search the free agent market for another pair of hands. End this thing with Javon — enough already!
With Gradkowski and Frye, we may not have an All-Pro behind center, but at least someone who could manage a game. Didn’t Trent Dilfer take the Mavens all the way to the Super Bowl a few years back? It COULD happen again, you know.
Just a few thoughts, off the top …
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 am
That’s what the draft is…a crap shoot. One may never know…
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 am
I normally don’t go in for the “what if” stuff.Not just for what you’ve said Dirt-lot,but because it just doesn’t do you any good wondering and drives you nuts!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:31 am
Also a td drive against SD in SD…and a 2 pt coversion. We would have been above .500! Who would have thought that?
Dilfer was the qb, but I believe it was their D that took that team to the SB, not him…my opinion of course.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:33 am
Don’t go down that “what if” road it will drive you nuts!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 am
yep
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 am
TRUE THAT,Neilb,THESE KID’S R BEING HANDED SO MUCH MONEY THESE DAY’S, 4 HAVING GOOD / GREAT COLLAGE , I REPEAT COLLAGE CAREER’S, U JUST HOPE U PICK A PLAYER WITH THE HEART AND DRIVE TO WANT IT IN THE NFL..
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:37 am
I truly believed that Cable’s philosophy worked with the players early-on. When they came out in Game One, I think a lot of them truly believed we could turn this thing around this year … the last-minute defensive meltdown shattered them a bit, I think. Then, when JaBustus started tanking and, basically, giving up, I think the team started taking on that defeatist mentality (I saw that when I went to the game in New York — EVERYBODY quit!) Gradkowski and Frye have been a breath of fresh air and have shown us what CAN happen without the biggest QB bust of the decade to misguide us. I just hope we don’t have to rely on Losman in the last two games – God help us all!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 am
PLACE IS BUSY THIS MORNING I GOT THE COFFEE 2DAY,THEN U-ALL NEED 2B OUT SHOPPING 4 DIRT-LOT’S CHRISTMAS PRESENT’S…
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 am
You’ve got to wonder at the Raiders selection process,don’t we have a scouting department ? Not every player will work out but you’ve got to think that the majority will.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:46 am
……and let’s face it.We’re not a team of superstar pro-bowl players.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:46 am
What you want for Christmas, Dirt Lot? Thanks for the coffee this morning!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:49 am
SOME OF THE PICK’S R WORKING OUT NEILB,JUST NOT THE HIGH ONE’S.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Dirt Lot said he wants a designer suit from the Michael Crabtree collection!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 am
How many TDs does Murphy have this year? 6? At least this year wasn’t the worst for points (2006), but maybe for offensive production, no?
I think, barring any stupid injury, that our receiving core will be great next year. JLH needs to get over that hit he took opening night. I think he’s finally getting over it…I think…
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:54 am
Imagine the SportsCenter highlights if Sunday’s game resulted in injuries that forced a J.P Losman vs. Brett Ratliff matchup. Oooooooooooooo — Peyton vs. Favre would have nothing on that!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 am
LMFAO RAIDERTBONE,CONSIDERING I AM SHAPED LIKE THE GREAT PUMPKIN,THAT WOULD BE A JOB 4 SUIT MAKER,AND THE PRICE…
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 am
Morning NATION!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 5:52 am
now… if you want to talk about bad drafts…
may i nominate the 2009 draft…
should be a slam dunk for the worst draft in Raider history…
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I disagree Pete. While DHB is a complete flop, and Mike Mitchell is playing better but not living up to the 2nd round selection, at least not yet.
However, Louis Murphy was the best 4th round selection in the draft, and Matt Shannessey is the second most productive D-line rookie, behind Orakpo. Matt S has 4 sacks, behind only Clay Matthews and Orakpo among ALL rookies.
So not worst of “all-time”, IMO. And if DHB (not likely) or Mike Mitchell (more likely) become effective, than it wasn’t even that bad.
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:58 am
#1 PEYTON MANNING MAY HAVE STUNK IT UP LIKE RUSSELL IN OAKLAND..
#2 U JUST HOPE U PICK A PLAYER WITH THE HEART AND DRIVE TO WANT IT IN THE NFL
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Dirt Lot: you just basically answered your own question. Manning would fair far better in Oakland than Russell simply because he “gets it” , “wants it” , and puts the work in. he knows that film study and chemistry with his o-line & WR’s are important.
Peyton had a change at HC, OC, DC, O-Line coach and lost his favorite target Marvin Harrison this offseason. they plug in rookie late-round picks on the o-line & d-line and Manning simply finds a way to get the job done. He’s a winner. MVP & Pro Bowl because he chooses to be great. he’s more concerned with winning than funny haircuts (mohawk) & diamonds …
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:58 am
I don’t know, Dirt-Lot … I’ve seen some pretty sharp outfits on some rather large NFL beefers. I’m sure Crabtree would do you proud — maybe we should find his cousin, so we can hook you up! He thinks he’s Superman, you know …
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 am
time to get some work done. later gents!
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:04 am
WORK 2 DO GENTELMAN,MAY NOT BE IN 2MORROW ,EVERYONE HAVE A SAFE AND MERRY X-MAS ENJOY TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY’S..
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 am
Merry X-mas Dirt Lot!!
The wife is working on X-mas day, so it is going to be reefer, betting on basketball and lots of phone calls and jerry’s blog for me, lol
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:06 am
Out as well … Happy Holidays everyone … and may your days be Silver and Black!
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 am
Check this out….
Russell Att 232 Comp 111 Yds 1185 TD 3 Int 10
Gradkowski Att 150 Comp 82 Yds 1007 TD 6 Int 3 (Keep in mind, 2 of those wasn’t really his fault…)
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 am
Don’t you love morons that can’t find the caplock button?
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 am
SC
He’s excited!
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 am
# DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 am
I DO NOT GO 4 THE RAIDERS COULD HAVE HAD THIS GUY INSTEAD OF THAT GUY.NO ONE KNOWS HOW IT WILL WORK OUT..PEYTON MANNING MAY HAVE STUNK IT UP LIKE RUSSELL IN OAKLAND..
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very true, but that doesnt change the fact that we need a guy like Curtis Lofton…
we need a run stopping MLB, when you have a DB with most tackles it really shows how bad a ‘D’ you have
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 am
Yeah…..Santa’s coming!!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 am
Time to go….
To all my brothers,wherever you are…
Have a great Christmas and all the best for the New Year…
Cheers !!
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:41 am
Have a great holiday season…Dirt Lot, Neilb, Rockstar, Exla, 4eva, Vegas…and whoever I may have missed!!! Much Aloha toy ou and your families!!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 am
4eva Gallery has short arm how no one checked this out is beyond me and just cause you’re rated high don’t mean you are worth it, saw many scouting reports that said gallery lacked quickness to be a LT in NFL but the T-rex arms are what throw me besides Rivers, and Big Ben went after him wow.
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:50 am
Oh man, I nearly had a heart attack last night…Kobe almost blew out his knee.
I broke out in a sweat when he was on the floor clutching his knee.
Whew!
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:59 am
BlackSunday32 Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 7:47 am
4eva Gallery has short arm how no one checked this out is beyond me and just cause you’re rated high don’t mean you are worth it, saw many scouting reports that said gallery lacked quickness to be a LT in NFL but the T-rex arms are what throw me besides Rivers, and Big Ben went after him wow.
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I wanted that WR out of Pitt…what was his name? Fitzhugh? Fitzmaurice? Fitzgerald! Yeah that was his name….has he done anything in the NFL?
But I understood why we took Gallery…everyone said he would be a franchise LT for 12 years.
Al, you had the right idea with the Gallery-Grove picks, so don’t let their failures dictate your future drafts. Quit passing up o-linemen!
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 am
All I want for Christmas is for Kobe to stay healthy this season…
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Although if Santa brings me Garnett’s medial collateral ligament I will not be disappointed!
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:14 am
You just jinxed us Bo!
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 am
dont worry Dakota,no one saw
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:18 am
Forget that Dakota I want the Celts healthy when the LAKERS sweep them in finals !
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 am
Good Morning Raider Nation and Merry Christmas to All!
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 am
You 2 Exla!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 am
Dakota, you got the right idea….stick with O-line!!
Here is a cheat sheet I came across!
Check this out!
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/prospects/ol.html
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:51 am
O Line?
With the 11th pick of the 2010 Draft, the Oakland Raiders select….
RB CJ Spiller, Clemson.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 am
LA, we dont need another back!
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:56 am
Dakota Says:
December 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Current Draft standings, win another game and Al will save BIG money on his 1st round pick this year:
1 RAMS 1 0.531
2 LIONS 2 0.513
3 BUCCANEERS 2 0.558
4 BROWNS 3 0.509
5 CHIEFS 3 0.527
6 REDSKINS 4 0.500
7 SEAHAWKS 5 0.469
8 BEARS 5 0.487
9 BILLS 5 0.513
10 RAIDERS 5 0.518
11 49ERS 6 0.487
12 PANTHERS 6 0.549
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I never thought I would be so happy that the Raiders may NOT have a top ten pick.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:57 am
Don’t get me wrong..Spiller is good.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 am
Most mocks have us taking Rolando McClain, Taylor Mays, or Sam Bradford.
I really don’t see any of those.
I’m hoping for MLB, OLine, or DT.
If you think about it, Al has gotten his
QB of the future (insert laugh track here)
RB
WR
S (Huff finally paying off)
CB (Aso, not Fabian)
LT, er, LG (but has his guy in Mario)
He’s got his DE’s, and as Ellis is getting old, one could be found really anywhere in the draft or FA.
I can’t see him drafting anything but a member of the front 7 or a RT maaaybe C.
He could surprise us (or not surprise us?) and take a CB, but my money is on what we should have gotten all along, big uglies.
Al loves speed, but let’s not forget, he likes – or did for decades – bad@$$ mthafckas on D.
December 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 am
I hope Cable use’s Pears as a T-El and we run the ball down rr’s throat
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:01 am
r8eray
We didn’t need one in 07.
I’m just playing, really.
Although with Bradford, Dez Bryant, and Spiller all on the board you really want to tear up when thinking about Russell, DHB, and McFadden (although he will be redeemed).
It’s way too early for Al to give up on DHB and McFadden still shows promise. Russell is moving into lost cause status quicker than he can put away a double double.
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 am
4eva
I really like Pears in that jumbo set.
Would also serve us well in PA.
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:04 am
An outstanding O Line and more creativity on offense wins us an extra 2 games, easy. Especially with good QB play (Gradkowski).
Bradford is a smart and accurate guy. McCoy’s a gamer. But do we really want to start over again? Maybe we could actually develop who we have for a change.
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:08 am
If you think Russell is stealing money wait till Bey is done at least Russel’s first practice they didn’t have to go through the basics this is how you take a snap this is how you throw, that’s all they could do with Bey work on catching the ball maybe next year they can work on running routes right than maybe in 4-5 yrs we will have a good WR.
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
Ellis’ replacement is Shaunessy,I believe =)
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
Dakota
Mery Christmas
“HELLS BELLS”
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
Merry Christmas Dell!!!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:18 am
Am I the only dope sitting at work today? Where is everyone?
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
I’m at home with the heater full blast, sipping on some coffee.
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
To my Raider Nation Brethren!!
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.
I hope you have a safe and joyous time with family and friends.
To 4eva, Ex, RRS, LMN, Dakota, Br*en, N-BoB, OakGlen, Marley, Einstein, Spellcheck,DMAC,BSJ, the Laker girls, the Raiderettes,408, Thec (my bruh) Vegas,24, Jhill, M Lonetree, Dogg(blues brothers) Lucifer666,and if I missed you Merry Christmas.
To all the Raider Haters, even you Ricky, Merry Christmas.
Oh, how could I forget, the AL Davis fan club, The Real Madden Raider, KK, SNB, Dknight007, and the Dude.
Finally to Jerry McDonald and Jon Becker for keeping this blog updated and moving in a timely manner. Please forgive some of our most rank comments on the blog. Remember were Raider Nation and our comments can be crude. MERRY CHRISTMAS!!
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:24 am
Good Morning to the Original and Only ‘Nation’ in pro sports!
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:41 am
Dear Al,
All I want for Christmas is for Jon Gruden to be hired as our next head coach.
Thank you,
20-year fan
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 am
Draft wish list 2010
round 1
DT McCoy
OT Okung OKS
MLB McClain ALABAMA
OT Davis Rurgers
MLB Spikes FLA
OT Williams OK *
round 2
OG Lupati Idaho* OG Asamoah Ill
DT Williams Tenn
DT Cody Alabama Dont know if he will fall
OT Black LSU
round 3
A) Alex Carrington DE*
B) Stanley H. FB USC Would open the offence up*
Rest best player available
Should be the GM
* indicates favorite hope
right side of the line rebuit with power
FB replaced with great full back
Promising DE with size and speed
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:55 am
hellsbells Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:42 am
Draft wish list 2010
round 1
DT McCoy
OT Okung OKS
MLB McClain ALABAMA
OT Davis Rurgers
MLB Spikes FLA
OT Williams OK *
round 2
OG Lupati Idaho* OG Asamoah Ill
DT Williams Tenn
DT Cody Alabama Dont know if he will fall
OT Black LSU
round 3
A) Alex Carrington DE*
B) Stanley H. FB USC Would open the offence up*
Rest best player available
Should be the GM
* indicates favorite hope
right side of the line rebuit with power
FB replaced with great full back
Promising DE with size and speed
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I agree 100%
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:23 am
Don’t forget guys that today is the day we find out about Gradkowski for Sunday. I’m keeping my eyes peeled for Jerry’s update on that. I’m hoping he plays only if he can play well enough. For christ sake I saw him jumping on the sidelines in celebration so maybe it isn’t too bad. I’m tired of Jmasterbate, next time I see him taking a snap I’m going to swallow a bullet.
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
RaiderResurrection Says:
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:23 am
Don’t forget guys that today is the day we find out about Gradkowski for Sunday. I’m keeping my eyes peeled for Jerry’s update on that. I’m hoping he plays only if he can play well enough. For christ sake I saw him jumping on the sidelines in celebration so maybe it isn’t too bad. I’m tired of Jmasterbate, next time I see him taking a snap I’m going to swallow a bullet.
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Don’t forget to “COCK” that pistol first.
December 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
LOL funny as hell Spell Check
December 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
hey fellas what up? just wanted to take the time to wish all of u a very happy holiday season. 99% of you guys have very interesting posts and its a pleasure to read them. also, it helps kill time between games. hope you all have a wonderful holiday
December 23rd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
By the time DHB gets it, he will be out of a Raider uniform. DHB will never get it, he has terrible hands, plain and simple. He is a track guy in a football uniform. He was not that great in college, and it is translating over to the NFL. He will be gone when the majority of his guaranteed money is up. He has been a complete bust, especially when you look at the wideouts taken after him. We have one on our team taken in the 4th round that will always be a much better player. I just wish the Raiders could cut their losses with JaBust and DHB, but as always it is the money that dictate when these players go. DHB cannot be gone soon enough. It makes me sick to see the Raiders blunder the first couple of rounds of the draft, year after year. I keep hoping one of these days they will have a complete draft and not just a draft where all of our later round picks perform so much better than our first couple of round picks.
DHB go back to Maryland, maybe you and JaBust can hang out at the clubs together and spend all your new found fortunes.