Frye eager to show Holmgren what he’s learned
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, December 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Members of the Cleveland Browns aren’t the only players and coaches who will be watched closely by incoming club president Mike Holmgren.
Take quarterback Charlie Frye, for instance.
Frye played nearly all of the 2007 season and 2008 with the Seattle Seahawks under Holmgren, remade his game, and gets his second start with the Raiders Sunday at Browns Stadium.
With Holmgren having already determined he would retire at the end of the season with Jim Mora taking over, Frye said Holmgren called him with words of advice for his career.
“He was like, `You’ve taken all you can from here, because (my contract) was up at the end of the season,” Frye told the Cleveland media by conference call. “He said, `You need to go teach somebody else what you’ve learned here or go out and do it yourself.’ That was pretty special for him to say that to me.”
So Frye ended up doing both. JaMarcus Russell singled out Frye as the veteran who was giving him the most good advice as he struggled. Frye also was a fixture at the facility on Tuesdays, getting in early, staying late, helping with game plans like the coach he will eventually become.
Now he’s the starter for the second week in a row, recovering from a concussion which knocked him out of a 20-19 win over Denver.
“I’ve always been a ball player,” Frye said. “I don’t get caught up in all the off the field activities and the other stuff. I love the game. That will never change. When the time comes _ `Charlie, you can’t play anymore’ _ I’ll coach. I’ll always be involved in the game of football because that’s what I love to do.”
No one is quite sure how Holmgren is going to shape the Browns. None of the coaching staff knows their status, there’s still speculation that Holmgren could do the coaching himself. But if Holmgren were to beckon Frye as a mentor/backup quarterback, it’s clear Frye would listen.
Like Bruce Gradkowski, Frye is in Oakland on a one-year contract, and there would appear to be at least an outside chance of the Raiders parting ways with Russell as well if they determine he simply isn’t going to do everything it takes to be the team’s leader and franchise player on the field, off the field and during the week.
“I don’t know how those decisions are made or who makes them,” Frye said. “Anybody who has played for him would love to be back with him. That’s how great a person he is. That stuff is really out of your hands, and I really like it out here.”
Frye is philosophical about returning to a state where he went to college at Akron, as well as where he got his start as an NFL contract, which included the dubious distinction of being the first Week 1 starter at his position to be traded to another team before Week 2. He was dealt for a sixth-round draft pick and replaced by Derek Anderson _ who coincidentally will start for the Browns Sunday with Brady Quinn having gone on injured reserve with a foot injury.
“There’s nothing in the world that can prepare you for that because it’s so unexpected,” Frye said. “To be the first guy that’s ever happened to is pretty unreal, but coach Holmgren told me when I got to Seattle it’s all about how you respond and that’s how the rest of your career will go.”
Like Gradkowski against Pittsburgh, Frye will have a large contingent of fans rooting him on, but plans on putting the location out of his mind in favor of the big picture.
“The game is bigger than anybody,” Frye said. “It will always move in. It moved on when the greatest players retired. That’s the way I look at it. It’s a chance for us to win more games since (the Raiders have) since 2002. It’s a chance for us to win two in a row. There are a lot bigger things than what I want to do.”
Blackout lifted
The Browns announced announced a sellout today to avoid their first local black out since 1995. They needed a 48-hour extension to get the tickets sold.
The Sunday weather report calls for temperatures between 25 and 35 degrees with snow flurries.
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December 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Charlie, Frye the Browns, please
December 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
was that a first? Woot
December 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Hope that everyone enjoyed a nice Christmas with family and loved ones.
Hey BR*EN, good to see you back! Always enjoy reading your comments.. You bring some much needed perspective around here….
Go get ‘em Charlie!
December 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
man, i will always root for a guy that appreciates his opportunity and is humble about it. He works hard at his craft and regardless of his result on Sunday I will root for him. I hope the Raiders go into next training camp with Frye, Grad and Losman. ONe of those 3 guys will get us back in the playoffs. Frankly, we’d be competing for a playoff spot had Al Davis not forced JR onto us. here’s to next year. We have enough talent to compete with top teams in the league. Now we just need to settle the QB position.
December 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
The game moves on and so will Frye, but at least for now just win baby
December 26th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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December 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Go Charlie!
December 26th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
The General said
Plunketthead= Real Raider who has constantly went upside the head of that bend over betty 49eresque buffoon *itchochet in the absense of the General.
Actually, I served the team by stripping therealmoronraider of any little dignity he had left after every Raider win. For some odd reason MR hates it when the Raiders win. Go figure.
And every now and then I yank the chains that bind KK. His hatred for chains keeps him blinded to the fact that he wears them.
But I am wise enough to leave Rico to the pros.
December 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Cable just texted me
He said he just slapped the peachfuzz off Manginas mug.
He said he was paying his respects to Led Zep at the Rock & Roll hall of Fame when Mangina walked in and wanted to know where the ABBA section was.
He says the team is fired up and said to tell VegasRaider to bet the farm tomorrow
Raiders 38 Orangedogs 17
December 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Am I the only one who thinks Mangina and Kiffin look like brothers?
December 26th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
The blog has been real slow over the baby Jesus birthday but its Sat night and tomorrow is the next to the last game of the year.
If you are not blogging about the Raiders you better in solitude praying for them.
December 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I think Josh Mcdaniels more resembles kiffin
December 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
unlucky 13th
yeah!
December 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Josh works
Pappa Kiff is known for defense but it looks like he scores a lot.
December 26th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
December 26th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Need a back-up fullback? Give Tyvon Branch a shot. Said he’d play anywhere. Loves the game. Old school.
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Seems like a better choice would be Our #2 pick this year, Mike Mitchell. A Power FB in a running alignment is a THUMPER. Mitchell is supposed to be the new king of Thumping so let’s see what he can do when he gets to blow people up on every play.
December 26th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Why are people talking about Losman as if he has done anything. People already want him back? He has a huge arm and 4.6 speed, we knew that before we signed him. Why now does that mean he should be given the opportunity to start next year?
Believe me, my next team after the Raiders is the Bills, Losman did nothing there. Lets not let hype from 4 years ago lead us down that road again. Grad’s the guy, just not this year.
December 26th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Merry Christmas!
December 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Urban Meyer is leaving Florida
December 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Unless he completely slacks, comes into camp at 400 and is wearing casts on both arsm, Russell will be the QB next year.
December 26th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
My new years resolution? Be kinder to my remaining hostages…
December 26th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Russell is a stiff.
Even Al can see that now.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
RUSSELL TRULY IS THE NEWER IMPROVED RYAN LEAF. WHAT MAKES THINGS WORSE IS HIS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE ATTITUDE. HE REALLY DOESN’T CARE AS LONG AS HIS CHECK CASHES. HE’S UNPREPARED – BOTH MENTALLY & PHYSICALLY, HE’S UNWILLING TO PUT IN THE NECESSARY EFFORT TO LEARN THE GAME BOOK, HE’S UNWILLING TO LOSE WEIOGHT DOWN TO WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE TO AT LEAST LOOK A LITTLE MOBILE, HE’S UNWILLING TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS FAILINGS – WANTING TO BLAME THOSE AROUND HIM, HE’S UNWILLING TO RENEGOTIATE SALARY BASED ON HIS POOR PERFORMANCE, HE’S SIMPLY UNWILLING TO DO THOSE THINGS NECESSARY TO BECOME AN NFL CALIBER QB. THIS GUY IS A LOSER – A BIG LOSER! THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS FORGET THAT HE WAS EVER HERE. HE’S A BLIGHT AND TERRIBLE EXAMPLE OF WHAT A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE SHOULD BE. LET’S START THE NEW YEAR OFF RIGHT BY KICKING HIS SORRY ASS TO THE CURB. THE TEAM WILL NO DOUBT BE BETTER FOR THAT ACTION. LET’S MOVE FORWARD WITH ATHLETES WHO CARE AND WHO WANT TO EXCEL BY DOING WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ALL THEY CAN BE.
HIT THE ROAD JABUSTUS – AND, TAKE YOUR LOSER POSSEE WITH YOU.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 3-8
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
If he had any class at all, he be spending full-time setting up a professional, sharp, transition team
December 26th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Sorry for the CAPS on prior message. Didn’t notice until I was almost done and didn’t figure anything having to do with JaBustus is worth doing over again.
Good wishes in the New Year to the Nation Faithful. We deserve better than what we’ve received these last number of years. Maybe dumping JaBustus will be a positive change for the better.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Pick up Troy Smith QB, RFA Ravens and let’s let Smith, Gradkowski, Frye & Losman compete for the starting job.
There is a future without JaBustus.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
I think if there is a good QB available in the 2nd rd like bradford than we should really consider picking him up. Especially if we have guys that can show him some real work ethic like Grads and Frye. We are going to have to keep Hackett as th QB coach though.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Why waste a #2 pick on another maybe. Troy Smith is the real thing and already a proven talent. He would have been the starter of the Ravens had it not been for a injury. We can ge a starter and his style is the same as Gradkowski, Frye & Losman. So, we don’t have to chage a game plan for a guy who only know a third of the plays, someone who can only go through a receiver progression of two and someone who can only see one half the field at a time. What I’m saying is Smith would be totally interchangable with the other three. Why gamble when there is a sure thing in front of us?
December 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Troy Smith was born on July 20, 1984 in Glenville, Ohio. Troy Smith is the starting quarterback for the Ohio State University Buckeyes football team in college for 2004 to 2006. Troy Smith is the winner of the 2006 Heisman Trophy. Troy Smith was selected with 174th overall selection in the 5th round of the 2007 NFL Draft by the Baltimore Ravens.
Troy Smith attended Glenville High School in Cleveland, Ohio where he was coached by Ted Ginn Sr. After a strong senior year at Glenville, Troy Smith was invited as one of eleven of the top high school quarterbacks at the elite 11 competition where he earned great praise. Following his performance, hometown favorite Ohio State took notice and offered Troy Smith late in the recruiting process. Troy Smith verbally committed to Ohio State late in the recruiting process over West Virginia University signing his letter of intent in February.
As a freshman in Columbus, Troy Smith played sparingly as a running back and kick returner. Troy Smith entered his sophomore season as backup quarterback to Justin Zwick but took over as starter when Zwick was injured halfway through the season. Troy Smith won four of five games as a starter, including a victory over archrival Michigan.
Due to suspension, Troy Smith watched as Zwick started the first game of the 2005 season and returned the next week for a big home game against second-ranked Texas. Controversy surrounded the game, in which both quarterbacks were given ample playing time. The Buckeyes fell 25-22 in a game that many believe was lost due to poor quarterback management. After the Texas game, Coach Jim Tressel decided to make Troy Smith the sole starting quarterback.
Under Troy Smith, Ohio State lost only one more game in the 2005 regular season, to Penn State University. He threw for 1,941 yards and 14 touchdowns with only four interceptions. Troy Smith reached the peak of his season against Michigan, completing 27 of 37 passes for 301 yards in a 25-21 comeback win. Troy Smith was later named the Offensive MVP of the 2006 Fiesta Bowl after leading the Buckeyes to a 34-20 victory over University of Notre Dame.
Troy Smith was also considered to be a preseason candidate for the Heisman Trophy in 2006.
Smith won the 2006 Heisman Memorial Trophy on December 9, 2006.[10] He beat out sophomore RB/QB Darren McFadden (2nd) from Arkansas and QB Brady Quinn (3rd), senior quarterback from Notre Dame. Smith became the first true quarterback from the Big Ten to ever win the award. In winning the 2006 Heisman Trophy, Smith took 86.7% of the first place votes, which is a record. His tally of 2,540 votes was the third largest behind that of the 2005 Heisman Trophy winner, Reggie Bush of the University of Southern California (2,541 votes). His margin of victory (1,662 votes) was also the second largest in the history of the award, eclipsed only by that O.J. Simpson who won by 1,750 votes in 1968 and had the largest vote total of 2,853 votes. Troy Smith joined Les Horvath (1944), Vic Janowicz (1950), Howard “Hopalong” Cassady (1955), Archie Griffin (1974 and 1975) and Eddie George (1995) in the elite Buckeye fraternity
Smith earned the award by leading Ohio State to an undefeated regular season, with high profile road games against defending National Champion Texas, and later against the Iowa Hawkeyes. He capped his season, securing his claim to the Heisman, with an outstanding performance in his final game against second-ranked Michigan on November 18, 2006, throwing for 316 yards and four touchdowns in a 42-39 victory.
Smith declared for the 2007 NFL Draft. Despite winning the Heisman Trophy, Smith saw his draft stock drop considerably after the 41-14 loss to Florida in the 2007 BCS National Championship Game. At exactly 6’0”, his height was cited as a liability as was an NFL Combine performance that did not impress. [11] Smith was quoted by the media urging his hometown team, the Cleveland Browns, to select him in the NFL Draft. Fans also set up a website (DraftTroy.com) urging the Browns to take Smith. However, the Browns drafted Brady Quinn 22nd overall in the 2007 NFL Draft reducing the chances of Smith going to Cleveland.[12][13] On Day 2, Smith was finally drafted at the end of the fifth round by the Baltimore Ravens. He proceeded to sign a three-year contract with the Ravens on July 24, 2007.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Al Davis loves Heisman winers. Maybe that will bode well for picking Smith up as an RFA.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Gradkowski, Frye, Loseman, Smith, sure things? lol.
The whole sack of them equals a backup.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Ya, your probably right about wasting another 2nd round pick but if we were to sit someone who was that accomlished I think it could only do good. I mean look at what Brooks is doing for GB. He sat for 4 years I think and probably with little help from Favre. I’m probably wrong about it anyways but I would love to have another heisman on the team next year. He’s a little too small I think but hey, let’s see what happens. Is he injury prone??? Smith???
December 26th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
KK
Your opinion. That’s OK. My opinion is that Smith would be a great successful starter for this team. Putting that all aside, I would hope you would agree thst ALL would be a better choice than JaBustus.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
01rdrfan
He’s a little too small I think but hey, let’s see what happens. Is he injury prone??? Smith???
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Tell that to Drew Brees! BTW, he’s shorter than Smith.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Gotta run but have a great New Year. Let’s hope we’ve got a winner tomorrow.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
How many successful QB’s has Al Davis had in the last 20 years?
December 26th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Not many, that’s for sure!!! Gannon…..??????
December 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Insanity- Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Expecting anything to change with Al Davis in charge is insane.
December 27th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
December 27th, 2009 at 4:03 am
2 must have victorys coming up…..we MUST Break The Cycle
December 27th, 2009 at 5:13 am
browns and raiders are pretty even when it comes to how bad or how good they are in certain areas…
its a cointos
December 27th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I watched the Browns-Chiefs game last week. While it was a close game with lots of big-plays, it was amazing just how bad the teams were. Giving up 3rd and 20’s, special team errors, Chiefs giving up 300+ rushing yards, dropped passes and on and on…..
Stay above the filth and we should be OK.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:19 am
So the great “O-line in the draft” debate will rage on today.
The Browns drafted 2 O-lineman in the first round the last 3 years. One is a Pro-Bowl LT, the other is an encouraging rookie C. They average 2 more yards a game than we do, and are the only team with a worse passing attack than us.
They are middle of the pack rushing the ball and giving up sacks. I hope we sack them 5 times and hold them to 3 points and furthur prove my point.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:25 am
two good o-linemen does not a good o-line make…
the Raiders with Gannon had Wisneiwski, Kennedy, and Robbins…
and the number one rushing attack…
2001 that is…
then Kennedy had to quit because of migraines…
the Wiz retired…
and Robbins had a thorough meltdown…
we haven’t been winning since…
December 27th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Vegas …I think a lot has to do with no one being afraid of their QB,sound familiar? lol
December 27th, 2009 at 6:27 am
what made Gannon good…
intelligence…
competitiveness…
acceptable skills…
good decision making…
preparation…
fire…
and when you look at the best QBs in the league right now…
they all have that…
December 27th, 2009 at 6:28 am
We were a top 10 rushing team the last two years Pete. Only difference is that we had no QB.
Our O-line is below average in pass protection and above average on run-blocking. How else do you explain being a top 10 rushing attack that features Justin Fargas?
December 27th, 2009 at 6:29 am
LOL
KoolKell Says:
December 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Insanity- Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
KK, you do realize that you are describing yourself and your actions to a T, dont you?
December 27th, 2009 at 6:30 am
what Russell does not have:
intelligence…
competitiveness…
good decision making…
preparation…
fire…
and when you look at his desire to acquire any of the aforementioned traits…
you realise that Russell is not just a bust…
he is an absolute waste of time…
we should congratulate Russell on winning the lottery and move on…
December 27th, 2009 at 6:31 am
vegas raider Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 6:28 am
We were a top 10 rushing team the last two years Pete. Only difference is that we had no QB.
Our O-line is below average in pass protection and above average on run-blocking. How else do you explain being a top 10 rushing attack that features Justin Fargas?
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lack of ability to throw…
oh…
how are we doing this year???
December 27th, 2009 at 6:36 am
JR just needs to hire & follow a great life coach this offseason
JaGrasshopper
December 27th, 2009 at 6:36 am
A great D-line always beat a great O-line in today’s NFL (so spare me the great stories of the 70’s). It’s like in baseball when great pitching always beat great hitting.
Think of the Giants in the Super Bowl, or the great Bears and Bucs D of a few years ago that ran the same tampa 2 and rushed four guys 90% of the time.
What happened when the great Gannon O-line played the great D’s of the Ravens and Bucs? The D-line dominated.
You need a QB, a few playmakers and a solid D and ST. That is the formula right now, not great blockers.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:37 am
I nominate Romo for Master Po.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Pete,
We are 18th right now, and 16th in YPC.
Again with Justin Fargas prominently involved.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I have confidence in Cable especially as far as the Oline goes. He has proven that he can work with little when it comes to Oline men.
Get him some help in the draft, maybe trade for someone proven as an anchor, especially if Gallery has troubles.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:41 am
It’s simple, consider these two facts:
Browns have one of the worst QB’s in the league and a really good O-line. Browns have the second worst offense.
Packers have one of the worst O-lines and one of the best QB’s. Top 5 offense
It’s all about QB play today. Amazingly, we won last week in spite of our QB. That will not work continually in the NFL.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:43 am
We don’t have a top ten rushing attack. We just run the ball a lot because we can’t throw. A top ten rushing attack would average more yards per carry than everyone else. We need to draft an offensive tackle, a center, a defensive tackle, and a MLB.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:48 am
if you look at my suggested drafts…
you see that emphasis is on defense…
last year my draft had 2 DT’s (1st and 2nd), an MLB (3rd rnd) and a DE (5th rnd)…
this year i still want 2 DT’s, and a MLB…
defense is what wins…
and a really good QB with the skills that i mentioned above…
and receivers that can catch…
December 27th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Kirk,
Top 10 the last two years in rushing yards per game and YPC. Right smack in the middle on YPC this year. We have a HIGHER YPC THAN THE VIKINGS!!!!
Explain how we can do this with crappy blocking and crappy Justin Fargas?
Our run-blocking is way above average and the stats prove my point.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:54 am
The Green Bay offensive line is playing better….
The Green Bay offensive line is playing much better of late, and has allowed eight sacks in the last five games after giving up 41 through nine games.
Offensive line is the most important position on the football field. When Parcels took over at Miami, the first thing he did was draft a left tackle in the first round. John Madden has been calling for the Raiders to draft an offensive tackle in the first round for years. Plus, linemen last ten years, skill players only about five, so it’s like getting two players for the price of one when you draft a lineman.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:57 am
in 2008, the 2nd and 4th worst rushing offenses met in the Super Bowl. This years worst rushing offense, the only unbeated team so far, the Colts.
Never has a rushing attack been so non-important as it is in today’s NFL.
You need a QB to win. If you have a great QB and average everywhere else, you can win a Super Bowl. If you are average at QB you aren’t winning anything.
Best teams in the NFL also have the best QB (Peyton, Brees, Brady, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb, Warner). The best O-lines…….Browns, Dolphins, Jets, Panthers…..YAWNNNN
December 27th, 2009 at 6:59 am
18th in the league in ypc huh?!?!?!?!!!!!!
who’d of thunk it after the box was stacked the 1st 9 games? thankx Vegas =)
December 27th, 2009 at 7:01 am
The Green Bay O-line is unquestioned the worst unit of the team. Yet they are in the playoffs and have one of the best offenses in the NFL.
Most important posiiton in the NFL???? Based on what? Care to muster up even ONE FACT??? I’m dropping multiple ones proving otherwise.
Look at the Browns. Do they need to draft 3 more O-lineman in the first round?? Their offense sucks, and they have a pro-bowl LT, and a rookie first-round pick at C. Why aren’t they any good?
December 27th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 6:48 am
if you look at my suggested drafts…
you see that emphasis is on defense…
last year my draft had 2 DT’s (1st and 2nd), an MLB (3rd rnd) and a DE (5th rnd)…
this year i still want 2 DT’s, and a MLB…
defense is what wins…
and a really good QB with the skills that i mentioned above…
and receivers that can catch…
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Hurry up Floridiot Pete….Have a courier get your suggested draft to Al Davis’ office….maybe you’ll get the job as his new GM……or he’ll tell You, to piss off.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:01 am
but what our we #30 vs. the run?
We Was Gashed….
December 27th, 2009 at 7:03 am
4eva,
Check it out, and go back through the last few years and look at the teams at the bottom. Amazingly, the worst rushing offenses recently, were both the best and worst teams in the NFL.
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_AVERAGE_YARDS&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1
December 27th, 2009 at 7:03 am
# Plunketthead Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 6:37 am
I nominate Romo for Master Po.
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dont know what that means, does it mean you actully think Romo is good?
December 27th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Vegas, you are right, having a great quarterback is important. But being able to protect that quarterback from injury is important too.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Vegas….the thing that sticks out 2me on those stats is….
Titans-5.3 ypc leads the league but 13 fumbles
Panthers 4.7 ypc 3rd in nfl but 11 fumbles
Colts- 3.7ypc 30th in league but only 3 fumbles
Chargers-last at 3.3 ypc but only 2 fumbles
Man them turn overs will kill you…..
I hope Cable has found something we can really use as this JUMBO O-line as the running game is still very important,especially in December…..
Abd did anyone noticed…We Was Gashed….lol
December 27th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Abd LOL!!!
December 27th, 2009 at 7:29 am
You can analyze YPC, rated offenses and top-notch quarterback play all you want, but you have to look at the play-calling and the execution of said plays. Even if JaMarcus had been a brain surgeon, not many NFL QBs call their own plays anymore (maybe Brett Favre and Peyton Manning, and that’s about it) … all that falls to the Offensive Coordinator. Whenever we have come out with short passes or alternated that with pounding the rock, we’ve done okay. Unfortunately, our MO has been to throw it deep early and often, and the routes haven’t been crisp and the passing off-the-mark. So when opposing defenses see that we can’t pass, they stack the box — then, we’re in trouble. We need sound play-calling, motivated line play and a quarterback who can execute the plays that are called (oh, and receivers who can run the proper routes and actually catch the ball!) — is that asking too much?!
December 27th, 2009 at 7:32 am
# jano11 Says:
December 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I think Josh Mcdaniels more resembles kiffin
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I think Josh McDaniels IS Kiffin!
December 27th, 2009 at 7:36 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/ginns-getting-grief-wherever-he-goes/
Interesting story and comments that sound a lot like the position DHB is in.
Ginn’s getting grief wherever he goes
Posted by Mike Florio on December 26, 2009 11:16 PM ET
Josh Alper mentioned it in our Christmas one-liners, and I couldn’t resist shining a light on it tonight.
Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn recently told Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post that 2009 has been Ginn’s “worst season playing football.”
Given that Ginn was named the AFC special teams player of the month for November after pushing the team to a win over the Jets with two kickoff returns for touchdowns in the same game, plenty of guys would love to have such a bad season. But Ginn has been hearing it not for his success catching and running with kicked balls, but because of his inability to consistently getting and keeping his hands on thrown balls.
“Every time you see somebody [they say], ‘You got to catch the ball,’” Ginn told Thompson. “I still get it to this day, from little kids to grown people.”
Ginn also has been criticized for running out of bounds, prompting former Miami guard Bob Kuechenberg to call Ginn “an embarrassment and a coward.”
While Ginn says he wants to stay in Miami, he realizes that his inability to live up to his top-ten draft status could cause the team to not want the former Buckeye to stick around.
“I understand the business,” Ginn said. “I understand being a high draft pick you only have so much [time] to show what you can do.
“I don’t think they’re fed up with me . . . but you never know.”
We think the Dolphins realize Ginn still has a role to play, but that he might have to reduce his compensation in order to remain with the team, especially if his best value to the franchise comes from returning kicks — and from not catching passes.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:38 am
# JB Says:
December 26th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
RUSSELL TRULY IS THE NEWER IMPROVED RYAN LEAF. WHAT MAKES THINGS WORSE IS HIS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE ATTITUDE. HE REALLY DOESN’T CARE AS LONG AS HIS CHECK CASHES. HE’S UNPREPARED – BOTH MENTALLY & PHYSICALLY, HE’S UNWILLING TO PUT IN THE NECESSARY EFFORT TO LEARN THE GAME BOOK, HE’S UNWILLING TO LOSE WEIOGHT DOWN TO WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE TO AT LEAST LOOK A LITTLE MOBILE, HE’S UNWILLING TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS FAILINGS – WANTING TO BLAME THOSE AROUND HIM, HE’S UNWILLING TO RENEGOTIATE SALARY BASED ON HIS POOR PERFORMANCE, HE’S SIMPLY UNWILLING TO DO THOSE THINGS NECESSARY TO BECOME AN NFL CALIBER QB. THIS GUY IS A LOSER – A BIG LOSER! THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS FORGET THAT HE WAS EVER HERE. HE’S A BLIGHT AND TERRIBLE EXAMPLE OF WHAT A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE SHOULD BE. LET’S START THE NEW YEAR OFF RIGHT BY KICKING HIS SORRY ASS TO THE CURB. THE TEAM WILL NO DOUBT BE BETTER FOR THAT ACTION. LET’S MOVE FORWARD WITH ATHLETES WHO CARE AND WHO WANT TO EXCEL BY DOING WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ALL THEY CAN BE.
HIT THE ROAD JABUSTUS – AND, TAKE YOUR LOSER POSSEE WITH YOU.
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I have an idea — since we’re still going to be saddled with JaBustus’s contract, let’s just let him balloon up to about 400 lbs. and stick him in where Terdell used to be … we couldn’t do a lot worse than when Sands was playing. If he’s going to take up space on our payroll, we might as well have him take up space in the middle of the field — opposing teams would at least have to run around him!
December 27th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Kirk Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Vegas, you are right, having a great quarterback is important. But being able to protect that quarterback from injury is important too.
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QB’s are going to get hit. The Bruce injury was very unfortunate, but notice the sacks stats when Russell was and wasn’t playing.
QB’s can make everybody better.
I’m not trying to be a dik about it. I just see the best teams are the best QB’s, and the out of nowhere type teams, are doing it on either QB-WR (Fitz-Warner) or great D-lines (Giants, Titans(last year) ).
Two most important positions right now, QB than D-line. Than I would put offensive skill-players and than a toss up, LB’s or O-line.
Just my philosophy.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Its an american thing but Romo was a great football player and would probaly make a great life coach.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:41 am
# Plunketthead Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:36 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/ginns-getting-grief-wherever-he-goes/
Interesting story and comments that sound a lot like the position DHB is in.
Ginn’s getting grief wherever he goes
Posted by Mike Florio on December 26, 2009 11:16 PM ET
Josh Alper mentioned it in our Christmas one-liners, and I couldn’t resist shining a light on it tonight.
Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn recently told Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post that 2009 has been Ginn’s “worst season playing football.”
Given that Ginn was named the AFC special teams player of the month for November after pushing the team to a win over the Jets with two kickoff returns for touchdowns in the same game, plenty of guys would love to have such a bad season. But Ginn has been hearing it not for his success catching and running with kicked balls, but because of his inability to consistently getting and keeping his hands on thrown balls.
“Every time you see somebody [they say], ‘You got to catch the ball,’” Ginn told Thompson. “I still get it to this day, from little kids to grown people.”
Ginn also has been criticized for running out of bounds, prompting former Miami guard Bob Kuechenberg to call Ginn “an embarrassment and a coward.”
While Ginn says he wants to stay in Miami, he realizes that his inability to live up to his top-ten draft status could cause the team to not want the former Buckeye to stick around.
“I understand the business,” Ginn said. “I understand being a high draft pick you only have so much [time] to show what you can do.
“I don’t think they’re fed up with me . . . but you never know.”
We think the Dolphins realize Ginn still has a role to play, but that he might have to reduce his compensation in order to remain with the team, especially if his best value to the franchise comes from returning kicks — and from not catching passes.
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Only difference: Ginn has proven he is a starting receiver and has found the end zone on multiple occasions during his career. DHB? Yeah, right!
No comparison!
December 27th, 2009 at 7:56 am
No comparison?
Thats not fair.
DHB is in his first year.
Did you read the comments?
December 27th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Ginn had 420 yards and 2 TD’s his rookie year, so DHB was about on pace with him.
At least Ginn returns kicks though, makes himself a little more useful, 3 career TD’s on kicks/punts
December 27th, 2009 at 8:07 am
One thing different is Al gets any blame for DHB while Cameron, a first year coach got the blame gor Ginnger.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Hit on USC last night, closer than thought it would be but still covered, and deciding who to double up on.
I’m thinking the Eagles and the over in Houston/Miami.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Someone mentioned Green Bays Oline?
Green Bay is a pretty dam good team but the world champions put up thirtyseven points on their D.
Big Ben was 29 of 46 for 503 yards.
That was a heck of a game, like the one we played in Pittturd. But we scored more points then the world chumpions.
I am still smiling about that victory. Turdburgh is no joke. That was a BIG win.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Vegas, Good mornig to you and the Raider Nation…I like KC +15!!
December 27th, 2009 at 8:21 am
# raidertbone Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:32 am
# jano11 Says:
December 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I think Josh Mcdaniels more resembles kiffin
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I think Josh McDaniels IS Kiffin!
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me too, mostly because i wanted Josh and I like whats he is doing =) LOL
December 27th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Morning R8eray!
Anytime you can get more than 2 TD’s in a NFL game you have to consider. But I can’t pull the trigger on that one.
You got to think at least one of the big dogs (Rams, Chiefs, Lions, Bucs) will cover one of those big spreads. If I were to bet one, I think I would take the Lions.
Off to the Suncoast for some action…..
Let’s go Raiders, nice boring win today
December 27th, 2009 at 8:30 am
ESPN talking about Cowher returning to coach next year and they make the battle to be between TB and Carolina.
Probaly just some hype to make the Panthers cough up more dough.
They also say Ron Wolf says he would return to the NFL. I think we have a Wolf fan or two here.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Suncoast?
Which one is that?
December 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Plunkett, it’s on the south side of the the strip!
5 miles from the Luxor Hotel & Casino!
December 27th, 2009 at 8:40 am
I’ll be darned. I did not know
Gaughn had one out there.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Anyone wanna help defend the Raiders under the comment section? Florio just posted this.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/27/raiders-say-theyll-kick-to-cribbs/
Raiders say they’ll kick to Cribbs
Posted by Michael David Smith on December 27, 2009 11:09 AM ET
Here’s a piece of shocking news: Today’s Raiders-Browns game might actually be interesting.
At least, it will be interesting when Oakland is kicking, because the Raiders say they have no intention of kicking away from Browns return man Josh Cribbs.
Raiders punter Shane Lechler says the team has always kicked to great return men like Devin Hester and Dante Hall, and that Oakland’s special teams philosophy hasn’t changed.
“We’re going to do exactly what we did to Hester, what we did to Dante Hall four years ago when he was at Kansas City,” Lechler said, per Doug Farrar of Shutdown Corner. “When you [kick away from a returner], it goes to show that you don’t trust your guys. I’m willing to put my guys up against anybody. I like my guys. My punt team is outstanding; they play their butt off every Sunday.”
Whether it’s smart of the Raiders to trust their guys to stop Cribbs remains to be seen. But with Cribbs threatening the NFL’s all-time all-purpose yardage record, the fact that the Raiders are willing to put the ball in his hands makes the game worth watching. At least for a few plays.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Wow…some of you are getting real good at cutting and pasting old news……FoolKell would be proud.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Charlie Casserly coming up on CBS
December 27th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Spell here was my reply to Florio
Plunketthead says:
December 27, 2009 11:37 AM
Give us Raider fans some meat, not a three day old blog from JerryMcpimpdaddy.
You have a lot to learn, grasshopper.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:11 am
If you are trying to pick a fight or start trouble, stick around. There will be plenty of people who will engage with you.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:16 am
spellcheck Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 6:48 am
if you look at my suggested drafts…
you see that emphasis is on defense…
last year my draft had 2 DT’s (1st and 2nd), an MLB (3rd rnd) and a DE (5th rnd)…
this year i still want 2 DT’s, and a MLB…
defense is what wins…
and a really good QB with the skills that i mentioned above…
and receivers that can catch…
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Hurry up Floridiot Pete….Have a courier get your suggested draft to Al Davis’ office….maybe you’ll get the job as his new GM……or he’ll tell You, to piss off.
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there is absolutely no question in my mind he would tell me to piss off…
just like i told you to piss off… and just as casually, i might add…
but i find that part of the fun of being a fan is playing the role of junior GM…
my view of this blog is a bunch of guys sitting in a bar shooting the schit about their favorite team…
now you can join us and have a “drink”…
or you can “piss off”…
your choice really…
December 27th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Davis shills are getting started early. I guess they have to get all of their propaganda and character attacks in now, because they’ll be nowhere to be found after the Raiders choke today.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Morning Nation.. Bush and McFadden in the cold. The D needs to have a great game. Yeeeey! Im excited…
December 27th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Saying the Raiders’ D needs to have a good game is like saying that Meridith Baxter needs to start doing it with men. Not going to happen.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Break The Cycle
December 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am
well see.. in bout 30 min.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Hey Pete, what do we do at the bar when a niner walks in and says Raiders suck and they will choke today.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Real Moron….have you started practicing your rants in case the Raiders win?
December 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am
We’ll see what? The Raiders play good defense? Why? They just won a big game. There’s nothing to motivate them.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am
“Real Moron”.
Wow.
Good one.
I’m floored.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Plunketthead…are you awaiting orders? or needing help dealing with insignificant problems?
December 27th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Oooh, “insignificant problems”.
Another good one.
Don’t mess with Spellcheck, guys. He might say you have “insignificant problems”. Imagine the agony!
December 27th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Meredith Baxter did it with men for years and was married and had kids.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I am awaiting orders to throw MR out of the bar.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
don’t worry Plunketthead 2 beers and he’ll pass out or his wife will drag him out by the ear.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
MR
U seem a lil angry this morning dude?.. Im always excited on game day, you cant harsh my buzz..
December 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Really, spellcheck? Before I found out she was a lesbian, all I knew about her is that she was Michael
J Fox’s mom on Family Ties. I apologize for not being up on her biography. What would we do baby, without us..
December 27th, 2009 at 9:33 am
408, I’m raging with anger, dude. So angry. Ready to maim. I’m so angry I think I might crack more jokes about how bad the Raiders’ defense is. Arrrrggggh!!!
December 27th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Now you know how Cable feels right before he winds up his pimp hand.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:38 am
MR
We need more positive energy! The D will play well..Bush has a big game.. It all goes down in about 2o min…
December 27th, 2009 at 9:39 am
thank you mr.obvious
December 27th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Whats funny is Merideth had become a hasbeen and a wannabee. So she goes on Oprah and says Im gay, I hate dicks. And Obama says you can be my new HUD director or whatever post they appointed her to.
I would wear a pink tutu and hand out gay nazis for abortion tracts on the Las Vegas Strip if Oboma would give3 me a post.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Plunkethead, you should go on Oprah and talk about your son’s shaved pubes and you’ll be famous, too.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
thats soo last year,Plunketthead lol
December 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
MR
Are those visions still rolling around in your skull? You might wanna get some help for that.
I try to put things like that out of my head instead of replaying them over and over.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Geez Plunketthead …the way you suck up to Floridiot Pete, I thought you already had a job.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
4eva did I use that last year?
Its suppose to be gay nazis for Christ tracts
December 27th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Spell
you have not been around here have you?
I have NEVER sucked up to FP
December 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Plunketthead Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Hey Pete, what do we do at the bar when a niner walks in and says Raiders suck and they will choke today
December 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Plunkethead, the vision rolling around in my skull is of your comments talking about your son shaving his pubes, and how weird you are.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Spell
Thats weak. I just used Pete to set up my joke. My jokes may not be funny to anyone but I crack myself up.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Careful Plunketthead…Real Moron has visions of being your family barber.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am
lmao Plunk =)
December 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
MR Nobody else gives a dam and I could care less as well, but you keep poking me with it if it gives you the warm fuzzies inside.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I have visions of Plunkethead being hauled away and his kids going to a safer home. Any dude who talks about his son shaving his pubes, and goes into detail?
December 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
plunkethead, you really shouldn’t use the term “poking”. Not in this conversation. Your creepy meter is high enough as it is right now.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:57 am
JERRY WAKE THE FOCK UP
its gametime and we demand a new blog
December 27th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Real Moron….maybe Plunketthead’s kids can move into your mom’s basement with you.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
My mom’s basement! That’s so original.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Merry Christmas RAIDER NATION!
LET’S GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!
December 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
“Frye eager to show Holmgren what he’s learned”. lol. Yep, you did a good job, Charlie Brown. You sure showed that Holmgren today. Yessiree! When you telegraph your passes, & you have a weak arm…(possibly the worst combination for ints by a “pro” Qb), you will ALWAYS throw multiple ints every game. It is not a good idea to have a QB like that (even) on your roster, which is why he’s been dumped by every team. All he’s gonna do is KILL his own team if he ever gets into the game.
If he starts next week, he’ll have another 2-3 ints. Guaranteed.