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Frye eager to show Holmgren what he’s learned

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, December 26th, 2009 at 1:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Members of the Cleveland Browns aren’t the only players and coaches who will be watched closely by incoming club president Mike Holmgren.

Take quarterback Charlie Frye, for instance.

Frye played nearly all of the 2007 season and 2008 with the Seattle Seahawks under Holmgren, remade his game, and gets his second start with the Raiders Sunday at Browns Stadium.

With Holmgren having already determined he would retire at the end of the season with Jim Mora taking over, Frye said Holmgren called him with words of advice for his career.

“He was like, `You’ve taken all you can from here, because (my contract) was up at the end of the season,” Frye told the Cleveland media by conference call. “He said, `You need to go teach somebody else what you’ve learned here or go out and do it yourself.’ That was pretty special for him to say that to me.”

So Frye ended up doing both. JaMarcus Russell singled out Frye as the veteran who was giving him the most good advice as he struggled. Frye also was a fixture at the facility on Tuesdays, getting in early, staying late, helping with game plans like the coach he will eventually become.

Now he’s the starter for the second week in a row, recovering from a concussion which knocked him out of a 20-19 win over Denver.

“I’ve always been a ball player,” Frye said. “I don’t get caught up in all the off the field activities and the other stuff. I love the game. That will never change. When the time comes _ `Charlie, you can’t play anymore’ _ I’ll coach. I’ll always be involved in the game of football because that’s what I love to do.”

No one is quite sure how Holmgren is going to shape the Browns. None of the coaching staff knows their status, there’s still speculation that Holmgren could do the coaching himself. But if Holmgren were to beckon Frye as a mentor/backup quarterback, it’s clear Frye would listen.

Like Bruce Gradkowski, Frye is in Oakland on a one-year contract, and there would appear to be at least an outside chance of the Raiders parting ways with Russell as well if they determine he simply isn’t going to do everything it takes to be the team’s leader and franchise player on the field, off the field and during the week.

“I don’t know how those decisions are made or who makes them,” Frye said. “Anybody who has played for him would love to be back with him. That’s how great a person he is. That stuff is really out of your hands, and I really like it out here.”

Frye is philosophical about returning to a state where he went to college at Akron, as well as where he got his start as an NFL contract, which included the dubious distinction of being the first Week 1 starter at his position to be traded to another team before Week 2. He was dealt for a sixth-round draft pick and replaced by Derek Anderson _ who coincidentally will start for the Browns Sunday with Brady Quinn having gone on injured reserve with a foot injury.

“There’s nothing in the world that can prepare you for that because it’s so unexpected,” Frye said. “To be the first guy that’s ever happened to is pretty unreal, but coach Holmgren told me when I got to Seattle it’s all about how you respond and that’s how the rest of your career will go.”

Like Gradkowski against Pittsburgh, Frye will have a large contingent of fans rooting him on, but plans on putting the location out of his mind in favor of the big picture.

“The game is bigger than anybody,” Frye said. “It will always move in. It moved on when the greatest players retired. That’s the way I look at it. It’s a chance for us to win more games since (the Raiders have) since 2002. It’s a chance for us to win two in a row. There are a lot bigger things than what I want to do.”

Blackout lifted

The Browns announced announced a sellout today to avoid their first local black out since 1995. They needed a 48-hour extension to get the tickets sold.

The Sunday weather report calls for temperatures between 25 and 35 degrees with snow flurries.

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  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    A great D-line always beat a great O-line in today’s NFL (so spare me the great stories of the 70′s). It’s like in baseball when great pitching always beat great hitting.

    Think of the Giants in the Super Bowl, or the great Bears and Bucs D of a few years ago that ran the same tampa 2 and rushed four guys 90% of the time.

    What happened when the great Gannon O-line played the great D’s of the Ravens and Bucs? The D-line dominated.

    You need a QB, a few playmakers and a solid D and ST. That is the formula right now, not great blockers.

  • Plunketthead

    I nominate Romo for Master Po.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Pete,

    We are 18th right now, and 16th in YPC.

    Again with Justin Fargas prominently involved.

  • Plunketthead

    I have confidence in Cable especially as far as the Oline goes. He has proven that he can work with little when it comes to Oline men.

    Get him some help in the draft, maybe trade for someone proven as an anchor, especially if Gallery has troubles.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    It’s simple, consider these two facts:

    Browns have one of the worst QB’s in the league and a really good O-line. Browns have the second worst offense.

    Packers have one of the worst O-lines and one of the best QB’s. Top 5 offense

    It’s all about QB play today. Amazingly, we won last week in spite of our QB. That will not work continually in the NFL.

  • Kirk

    We don’t have a top ten rushing attack. We just run the ball a lot because we can’t throw. A top ten rushing attack would average more yards per carry than everyone else. We need to draft an offensive tackle, a center, a defensive tackle, and a MLB.

  • Florida Pete

    if you look at my suggested drafts…

    you see that emphasis is on defense…

    last year my draft had 2 DT’s (1st and 2nd), an MLB (3rd rnd) and a DE (5th rnd)…

    this year i still want 2 DT’s, and a MLB…

    defense is what wins…

    and a really good QB with the skills that i mentioned above…

    and receivers that can catch…

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Kirk,

    Top 10 the last two years in rushing yards per game and YPC. Right smack in the middle on YPC this year. We have a HIGHER YPC THAN THE VIKINGS!!!!

    Explain how we can do this with crappy blocking and crappy Justin Fargas?

    Our run-blocking is way above average and the stats prove my point.

  • Kirk

    The Green Bay offensive line is playing better….

    The Green Bay offensive line is playing much better of late, and has allowed eight sacks in the last five games after giving up 41 through nine games.

    Offensive line is the most important position on the football field. When Parcels took over at Miami, the first thing he did was draft a left tackle in the first round. John Madden has been calling for the Raiders to draft an offensive tackle in the first round for years. Plus, linemen last ten years, skill players only about five, so it’s like getting two players for the price of one when you draft a lineman.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    in 2008, the 2nd and 4th worst rushing offenses met in the Super Bowl. This years worst rushing offense, the only unbeated team so far, the Colts.

    Never has a rushing attack been so non-important as it is in today’s NFL.

    You need a QB to win. If you have a great QB and average everywhere else, you can win a Super Bowl. If you are average at QB you aren’t winning anything.

    Best teams in the NFL also have the best QB (Peyton, Brees, Brady, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb, Warner). The best O-lines…….Browns, Dolphins, Jets, Panthers…..YAWNNNN

  • 4evaRaider

    18th in the league in ypc huh?!?!?!?!!!!!!

    who’d of thunk it after the box was stacked the 1st 9 games? thankx Vegas =)

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    The Green Bay O-line is unquestioned the worst unit of the team. Yet they are in the playoffs and have one of the best offenses in the NFL.

    Most important posiiton in the NFL???? Based on what? Care to muster up even ONE FACT??? I’m dropping multiple ones proving otherwise.

    Look at the Browns. Do they need to draft 3 more O-lineman in the first round?? Their offense sucks, and they have a pro-bowl LT, and a rookie first-round pick at C. Why aren’t they any good?

  • spellcheck

    Florida Pete Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 6:48 am
    if you look at my suggested drafts…

    you see that emphasis is on defense…

    last year my draft had 2 DT’s (1st and 2nd), an MLB (3rd rnd) and a DE (5th rnd)…

    this year i still want 2 DT’s, and a MLB…

    defense is what wins…

    and a really good QB with the skills that i mentioned above…

    and receivers that can catch…
    0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    Hurry up Floridiot Pete….Have a courier get your suggested draft to Al Davis’ office….maybe you’ll get the job as his new GM……or he’ll tell You, to piss off.

  • 4evaRaider

    but what our we #30 vs. the run?

    We Was Gashed….

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    4eva,

    Check it out, and go back through the last few years and look at the teams at the bottom. Amazingly, the worst rushing offenses recently, were both the best and worst teams in the NFL.

    http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&d-447263-o=2&conference=null&d-447263-s=RUSHING_AVERAGE_YARDS&d-447263-n=1&season=2009&qualified=true&Submit=Go&tabSeq=2&role=TM&d-447263-p=1

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    # Plunketthead Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 6:37 am

    I nominate Romo for Master Po.
    ________________________________________________________

    dont know what that means, does it mean you actully think Romo is good?

  • Kirk

    Vegas, you are right, having a great quarterback is important. But being able to protect that quarterback from injury is important too.

  • 4evaRaider

    Vegas….the thing that sticks out 2me on those stats is….

    Titans-5.3 ypc leads the league but 13 fumbles

    Panthers 4.7 ypc 3rd in nfl but 11 fumbles

    Colts- 3.7ypc 30th in league but only 3 fumbles

    Chargers-last at 3.3 ypc but only 2 fumbles

    Man them turn overs will kill you…..

    I hope Cable has found something we can really use as this JUMBO O-line as the running game is still very important,especially in December…..

    Abd did anyone noticed…We Was Gashed….lol

  • 4evaRaider

    Abd LOL!!!

  • raidertbone

    You can analyze YPC, rated offenses and top-notch quarterback play all you want, but you have to look at the play-calling and the execution of said plays. Even if JaMarcus had been a brain surgeon, not many NFL QBs call their own plays anymore (maybe Brett Favre and Peyton Manning, and that’s about it) … all that falls to the Offensive Coordinator. Whenever we have come out with short passes or alternated that with pounding the rock, we’ve done okay. Unfortunately, our MO has been to throw it deep early and often, and the routes haven’t been crisp and the passing off-the-mark. So when opposing defenses see that we can’t pass, they stack the box — then, we’re in trouble. We need sound play-calling, motivated line play and a quarterback who can execute the plays that are called (oh, and receivers who can run the proper routes and actually catch the ball!) — is that asking too much?!

  • raidertbone

    # jano11 Says:
    December 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    I think Josh Mcdaniels more resembles kiffin
    ____________________________________

    I think Josh McDaniels IS Kiffin!

  • Plunketthead

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/ginns-getting-grief-wherever-he-goes/

    Interesting story and comments that sound a lot like the position DHB is in.

    Ginn’s getting grief wherever he goes
    Posted by Mike Florio on December 26, 2009 11:16 PM ET
    Josh Alper mentioned it in our Christmas one-liners, and I couldn’t resist shining a light on it tonight.

    Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn recently told Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post that 2009 has been Ginn’s “worst season playing football.”

    Given that Ginn was named the AFC special teams player of the month for November after pushing the team to a win over the Jets with two kickoff returns for touchdowns in the same game, plenty of guys would love to have such a bad season. But Ginn has been hearing it not for his success catching and running with kicked balls, but because of his inability to consistently getting and keeping his hands on thrown balls.

    “Every time you see somebody [they say], ‘You got to catch the ball,’” Ginn told Thompson. “I still get it to this day, from little kids to grown people.”

    Ginn also has been criticized for running out of bounds, prompting former Miami guard Bob Kuechenberg to call Ginn “an embarrassment and a coward.”

    While Ginn says he wants to stay in Miami, he realizes that his inability to live up to his top-ten draft status could cause the team to not want the former Buckeye to stick around.

    “I understand the business,” Ginn said. “I understand being a high draft pick you only have so much [time] to show what you can do.

    “I don’t think they’re fed up with me . . . but you never know.”

    We think the Dolphins realize Ginn still has a role to play, but that he might have to reduce his compensation in order to remain with the team, especially if his best value to the franchise comes from returning kicks — and from not catching passes.

  • raidertbone

    # JB Says:
    December 26th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    RUSSELL TRULY IS THE NEWER IMPROVED RYAN LEAF. WHAT MAKES THINGS WORSE IS HIS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE ATTITUDE. HE REALLY DOESN’T CARE AS LONG AS HIS CHECK CASHES. HE’S UNPREPARED – BOTH MENTALLY & PHYSICALLY, HE’S UNWILLING TO PUT IN THE NECESSARY EFFORT TO LEARN THE GAME BOOK, HE’S UNWILLING TO LOSE WEIOGHT DOWN TO WHERE HE NEEDS TO BE TO AT LEAST LOOK A LITTLE MOBILE, HE’S UNWILLING TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR HIS FAILINGS – WANTING TO BLAME THOSE AROUND HIM, HE’S UNWILLING TO RENEGOTIATE SALARY BASED ON HIS POOR PERFORMANCE, HE’S SIMPLY UNWILLING TO DO THOSE THINGS NECESSARY TO BECOME AN NFL CALIBER QB. THIS GUY IS A LOSER – A BIG LOSER! THE BEST THING WE CAN DO IS FORGET THAT HE WAS EVER HERE. HE’S A BLIGHT AND TERRIBLE EXAMPLE OF WHAT A PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE SHOULD BE. LET’S START THE NEW YEAR OFF RIGHT BY KICKING HIS SORRY ASS TO THE CURB. THE TEAM WILL NO DOUBT BE BETTER FOR THAT ACTION. LET’S MOVE FORWARD WITH ATHLETES WHO CARE AND WHO WANT TO EXCEL BY DOING WHAT IT TAKES TO BE ALL THEY CAN BE.

    HIT THE ROAD JABUSTUS – AND, TAKE YOUR LOSER POSSEE WITH YOU.
    ___________________________________________

    I have an idea — since we’re still going to be saddled with JaBustus’s contract, let’s just let him balloon up to about 400 lbs. and stick him in where Terdell used to be … we couldn’t do a lot worse than when Sands was playing. If he’s going to take up space on our payroll, we might as well have him take up space in the middle of the field — opposing teams would at least have to run around him!

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Kirk Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 7:17 am
    Vegas, you are right, having a great quarterback is important. But being able to protect that quarterback from injury is important too.

    ******************************

    QB’s are going to get hit. The Bruce injury was very unfortunate, but notice the sacks stats when Russell was and wasn’t playing.

    QB’s can make everybody better.

    I’m not trying to be a dik about it. I just see the best teams are the best QB’s, and the out of nowhere type teams, are doing it on either QB-WR (Fitz-Warner) or great D-lines (Giants, Titans(last year) ).

    Two most important positions right now, QB than D-line. Than I would put offensive skill-players and than a toss up, LB’s or O-line.

    Just my philosophy.

  • Plunketthead

    Its an american thing but Romo was a great football player and would probaly make a great life coach.

  • raidertbone

    # Plunketthead Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 7:36 am

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/26/ginns-getting-grief-wherever-he-goes/

    Interesting story and comments that sound a lot like the position DHB is in.

    Ginn’s getting grief wherever he goes
    Posted by Mike Florio on December 26, 2009 11:16 PM ET
    Josh Alper mentioned it in our Christmas one-liners, and I couldn’t resist shining a light on it tonight.

    Dolphins receiver Ted Ginn recently told Edgar Thompson of the Palm Beach Post that 2009 has been Ginn’s “worst season playing football.”

    Given that Ginn was named the AFC special teams player of the month for November after pushing the team to a win over the Jets with two kickoff returns for touchdowns in the same game, plenty of guys would love to have such a bad season. But Ginn has been hearing it not for his success catching and running with kicked balls, but because of his inability to consistently getting and keeping his hands on thrown balls.

    “Every time you see somebody [they say], ‘You got to catch the ball,’” Ginn told Thompson. “I still get it to this day, from little kids to grown people.”

    Ginn also has been criticized for running out of bounds, prompting former Miami guard Bob Kuechenberg to call Ginn “an embarrassment and a coward.”

    While Ginn says he wants to stay in Miami, he realizes that his inability to live up to his top-ten draft status could cause the team to not want the former Buckeye to stick around.

    “I understand the business,” Ginn said. “I understand being a high draft pick you only have so much [time] to show what you can do.

    “I don’t think they’re fed up with me . . . but you never know.”

    We think the Dolphins realize Ginn still has a role to play, but that he might have to reduce his compensation in order to remain with the team, especially if his best value to the franchise comes from returning kicks — and from not catching passes.
    ________________________________________

    Only difference: Ginn has proven he is a starting receiver and has found the end zone on multiple occasions during his career. DHB? Yeah, right!
    No comparison!

  • Plunketthead

    No comparison?
    Thats not fair.
    DHB is in his first year.
    Did you read the comments?

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Ginn had 420 yards and 2 TD’s his rookie year, so DHB was about on pace with him.

    At least Ginn returns kicks though, makes himself a little more useful, 3 career TD’s on kicks/punts

  • Plunketthead

    One thing different is Al gets any blame for DHB while Cameron, a first year coach got the blame gor Ginnger.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Hit on USC last night, closer than thought it would be but still covered, and deciding who to double up on.

    I’m thinking the Eagles and the over in Houston/Miami.

  • Plunketthead

    Someone mentioned Green Bays Oline?
    Green Bay is a pretty dam good team but the world champions put up thirtyseven points on their D.
    Big Ben was 29 of 46 for 503 yards.

    That was a heck of a game, like the one we played in Pittturd. But we scored more points then the world chumpions.

    I am still smiling about that victory. Turdburgh is no joke. That was a BIG win.

  • r8eray

    Vegas, Good mornig to you and the Raider Nation…I like KC +15!!

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    # raidertbone Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 7:32 am

    # jano11 Says:
    December 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    I think Josh Mcdaniels more resembles kiffin
    ____________________________________

    I think Josh McDaniels IS Kiffin!
    ——————————————————

    me too, mostly because i wanted Josh and I like whats he is doing =) LOL

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Morning R8eray!

    Anytime you can get more than 2 TD’s in a NFL game you have to consider. But I can’t pull the trigger on that one.

    You got to think at least one of the big dogs (Rams, Chiefs, Lions, Bucs) will cover one of those big spreads. If I were to bet one, I think I would take the Lions.

    Off to the Suncoast for some action…..

    Let’s go Raiders, nice boring win today

  • Plunketthead

    ESPN talking about Cowher returning to coach next year and they make the battle to be between TB and Carolina.
    Probaly just some hype to make the Panthers cough up more dough.

    They also say Ron Wolf says he would return to the NFL. I think we have a Wolf fan or two here.

  • Plunketthead

    Suncoast?
    Which one is that?

  • r8eray

    Plunkett, it’s on the south side of the the strip!
    5 miles from the Luxor Hotel & Casino!

  • Plunketthead

    I’ll be darned. I did not know
    Gaughn had one out there.

  • Plunketthead

    Anyone wanna help defend the Raiders under the comment section? Florio just posted this.
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/27/raiders-say-theyll-kick-to-cribbs/

    Raiders say they’ll kick to Cribbs
    Posted by Michael David Smith on December 27, 2009 11:09 AM ET
    Here’s a piece of shocking news: Today’s Raiders-Browns game might actually be interesting.

    At least, it will be interesting when Oakland is kicking, because the Raiders say they have no intention of kicking away from Browns return man Josh Cribbs.

    Raiders punter Shane Lechler says the team has always kicked to great return men like Devin Hester and Dante Hall, and that Oakland’s special teams philosophy hasn’t changed.

    “We’re going to do exactly what we did to Hester, what we did to Dante Hall four years ago when he was at Kansas City,” Lechler said, per Doug Farrar of Shutdown Corner. “When you [kick away from a returner], it goes to show that you don’t trust your guys. I’m willing to put my guys up against anybody. I like my guys. My punt team is outstanding; they play their butt off every Sunday.”

    Whether it’s smart of the Raiders to trust their guys to stop Cribbs remains to be seen. But with Cribbs threatening the NFL’s all-time all-purpose yardage record, the fact that the Raiders are willing to put the ball in his hands makes the game worth watching. At least for a few plays.

  • spellcheck

    Wow…some of you are getting real good at cutting and pasting old news……FoolKell would be proud.

  • Plunketthead

    Charlie Casserly coming up on CBS

  • Plunketthead

    Spell here was my reply to Florio

    Plunketthead says:
    December 27, 2009 11:37 AM
    Give us Raider fans some meat, not a three day old blog from JerryMcpimpdaddy.

    You have a lot to learn, grasshopper.

  • Plunketthead

    If you are trying to pick a fight or start trouble, stick around. There will be plenty of people who will engage with you.

  • Florida Pete

    spellcheck Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 7:01 am
    Florida Pete Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 6:48 am
    if you look at my suggested drafts…

    you see that emphasis is on defense…

    last year my draft had 2 DT’s (1st and 2nd), an MLB (3rd rnd) and a DE (5th rnd)…

    this year i still want 2 DT’s, and a MLB…

    defense is what wins…

    and a really good QB with the skills that i mentioned above…

    and receivers that can catch…
    0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

    Hurry up Floridiot Pete….Have a courier get your suggested draft to Al Davis’ office….maybe you’ll get the job as his new GM……or he’ll tell You, to piss off.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    there is absolutely no question in my mind he would tell me to piss off…

    just like i told you to piss off… and just as casually, i might add…

    but i find that part of the fun of being a fan is playing the role of junior GM…

    my view of this blog is a bunch of guys sitting in a bar shooting the schit about their favorite team…

    now you can join us and have a “drink”…

    or you can “piss off”…

    your choice really…

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Davis shills are getting started early. I guess they have to get all of their propaganda and character attacks in now, because they’ll be nowhere to be found after the Raiders choke today.

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    Morning Nation.. Bush and McFadden in the cold. The D needs to have a great game. Yeeeey! Im excited…

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Saying the Raiders’ D needs to have a good game is like saying that Meridith Baxter needs to start doing it with men. Not going to happen.

  • 4evaRaider

    Break The Cycle

  • http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png 408RAIDER

    well see.. in bout 30 min.

  • Plunketthead

    Hey Pete, what do we do at the bar when a niner walks in and says Raiders suck and they will choke today.