Postgame wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pm in Oakland Raiders.
News, notes, quotes and observations from the Raiders’ 23-9 loss to the Browns in Cleveland:
– Regular readers of this space as well as participants in weekly on-line chats know I’m not inclined to tear into play-calling, believing it to be not nearly as important as executing whatever plays are called.
Still feel that way, too, although today in Cleveland, the play-calling had a great deal to do with the Raiders again coming up short in a game that was there for the taking.
The worst sequence came with just under five minutes left in the game and the Raiders at the Cleveland 2-yard line with a first down, courtesy of a pass interference call on Hank Poteat.
Four incomplete passes later, the Raiders turned it over on down, including a justified reversal of an Eric Wright interception.
Michael Bush, with nine carries for 50 yards in the first half, spent the second half back in witness protection in terms of touches. He carried once for 2 yards. Apparently a 245-pound back wasn’t of use that close to the goal line.
Frye, who has the mobility and quick feet to operate on the perimeter, instead dropped back. There was no attempt at a run-pass option.
As for Bush, his last carry came with 10:11 left in the third quarter. The Raiders ran 29 plays from that point until the end of the game and he never once got the ball as Oakland abandoned all pretense of the pass with Darren McFadden carrying four times for 14 yards.
– Remember how annoying it was to watch Rob Ryan’s defense give up points by backing off the throttle late in games? Worked like a charm against the Raiders, who piled up completions and yards but no points down the stretch. Again, Bush may have been able to get some momentum against a backpedaling defense.
The Browns spent much of the game mixing and matching, running more blitzes than Ryan would in four games as the Raiders defensive coordinator. Then he had the Browns fall back into a soft zone which came up with a pair of key interceptions.
– Play-calling aside, the game swung on Frye’s first interception, which David Bowens returned 17 yards to set up a 17-yard scoring run by James Harrison, and a defensive meltdown late in the first half which enabled the Browns to strike on a 19-yard touchdown pass from Derek Anderson to Mohamad Massaquoi.
Taking over at their own 7 after a Shane Lechler punt and a half-the-distance offensive holding penalty on the Browns, the Raiders trailed 10-6 and were hoping to get the ball back.
A chippy game erupted at that point, with Richard Seymour and Cleveland’s Rodney Hadnot getting offsetting unnecessary roughness penalties not long after runs of 17 and 2 yards by James Harrison.
Seymour was so incensed he picked up an additional 15 yards for unsportsman-like conduct foul, pushing the ball to the Cleveland 40. Anderson hit Massaquoi for 14 yards, and after a 4-yard run by Harrison, Stanford Routt got another 15-yard foul for unnecessary roughness and was ejected for a head butt.
That put the Browns on the Raiders 27, where they scored three plays later with Anderson hitting Massaquoi from 19 yards out.
The Browns then paid for a squib kick which enabled the Raiders to open at the 42, and after 9 and 6-yard completions from Frye to Zach Miller and McFadden, Sebastian Janikowski boomed a club-record 61-yard field goal – the fourth in league history of 60 yards or more and possibly the most impressive when you take into consideration the wind and 35-degree weather.
– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha continues to be vexed by the Raiders repeatedly plummeting to earth following a big win. They’ve been outscored 142-32 in the five games following wins, with only the Cleveland game in doubt into the fourth quarter.
“We’ve shown flashes of being a championship-caliber team. We’ve shown flashes of being one of those cellar-dweller type teams,” Asomugha said. “It’s kind of like we haven’t been able to figure out who we wanted to be. If you want to be a contender in this league, you have to have an identity.”
– With five punts for a 44.2 average, Shane Lechler’s season average dropped to 51.1, meaning he’ll need a big game to surpass the NFL record of 51.4 set by Sammy Baugh in 1940.
– The Raiders’ 389-yard yardage output was their second-highest of the season, behind the 396 yards gained against Pittsburgh.
– With 13 penalties for 126 yards, there was some of the “only the Raiders” grumbling which normally accompanies games they lose. Of course, they’ve had some debatable calls in their wins, too, and managed to overcome them. Just as they could have overcome them against Cleveland.
The most ridiculous call may have been the “taunting” flag on Zach Miller, who merely dropped the ball in the direction of a Cleveland player after a 31-yard reception. It wound up not hurting anything because of Poteat’s pass interference call a short time later.
One crucial penalty that went largely unnoticed in the flood of flags to follow belonged to Chris Morris, who replaced an injured Langston Walker at left guard. Pinned at their own 1 with 734 left in the half after Joshua Cribbs tipped a punt back to the 1-yard line, Oakland had moved out to the 38 with a first-and-10.
Morris was called for a hold, which put the ball back on the 28, with a 6-yard sack of Frye pushing it to the 22. The Raiders eventually punted, leading to Cleveland’s late touchdown drive with the help of the 15-yard flags on Seymour and Routt.
– Strangest flag of the day _ tight end Tony Stewart, one of the most level-headed players in the locker room, was ejected for bumping an official. Never saw a replay of that one.
– Here’s a piece of trivia (courtesy of A.P. stat maven Josh Dubow) that ought to turn the stomach of most self-respecting Raider fans: Frye became the second quarterback in Raiders history to throw for 300 yards with three or more interceptions and no touchdown passes in a game. The other? Marc Wilson, with 339 yards and three interceptions in a 16-10 loss to Kansas City on Dec. 13, 1987.
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December 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
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December 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
What a disappointing loss. All the talk of winning 3 straight to turn the corner, if we win this one we have a chance at that to end the season.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Al Davis will get this figured out.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Looks like another 11 loss season.
December 27th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
what a great game, huh? if it hadnt been for the INTs im sure they would have nailed it…
December 27th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
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December 27th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Well, the Frye era came and went quietly. really, Charlie boy showed us more or less what he is and probably what he will be as long as he’s in the league. If anything, I guess it just illustrates the point that no matter how much of a “jim rat” or how much tape you study or all those other things that may in fact make you coaching material and a “true student of the game”, if you don’t have talent, then all that other intangible stuff at the end of the day doesn’t matter if you simply can’t get it done when it does in fact matter. This is why guys like Russell get chance after chance after chance and coaching careers are made or ruined because of guys like him. You hold out hope that everything will eventually click and he’ll end up being the player that he should be. Well, the player that he should be if only talent mattered anyway.
I’d really like to believe that Gradkowski is somehow better, but I suspect that once teams have enough tape on him and have the proper time amount of time to game plan against what he can and can’t do, it’ll get ugly rather quickly. I’d like to be wrong of course, but somehow, I doubt it. Russell… Well, talk about the embodiment of total frustration. All the talents that someone can ask for and the opportunity to succeed and still, the guy just seems not to really care or at the very least, he doesn’t want to work for it.
I suppose one can hope that Washington’s for example dumb enough to let Campbell go and well hey, we could do a lot worse than give him a good and long look for next year and beyond.
Gary Russell and kick offs? Give me a break. At that point, why not just call for an fc every time and just concede that part of the game? What a joke.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
$@%#@%#%#
December 27th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
“jim rat”…not to be confused with or compared to a “gym rat”
December 27th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
“SPELLCHECK”… NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH OR COMPARED TO a “SMART PERSON”
December 27th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
You just have to love some of the pathetic excuses for human beings free to roam society these days. Degenerates that would value the sucess of a football team over a human life.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
So if Bruce can’t go next week, what’s better, starting the guy with no talent but who works hard, or the guy with the potential who doesn’t want to work hard
December 27th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
“At least one person close to Davis isn’t sure Cable will be brought back.
The team source cited several factors working against Cable:
– Cable is the play caller for an offense that ranks last in total yards and first downs, and second-to-last in passing yards and points scored.
– Davis was said to be very upset by Cable’s role in the Randy Hanson dust-up, which resulted in Hanson’s broken jaw and an extended Napa police investigation.
– And then, there’s the stalled career of JaMarcus Russell, the No. 1 overall draft pick turned No. 3 quarterback.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/27/SPVN1BA0J2.DTL#ixzz0awviIxKA
December 27th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Spellcheck, could you be any more dramatic?
December 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Dude the cap lock button is on the left side of the keyboard….unless you intentionally used all caps to draw attention to your weak attempt at retaliation.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Bush averaged 5 yards a carry and doesn’t start and doesn’t get touches.
The Cleveland defense overpersuded all day long, and the Raiders didn’t run a single misdirection play.
First and 2 at the 2 and you pass the ball 4 times.
A series of 15 yard personal foul penalties and coach on the sidelines doesn’t pull the instigator and chew him out.
This really is the dumbest team in football.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Have to give the Browns credit.
They dropped back into Robo Special soft zones that were famous in Oakland and they MADE plays.
Frye’s inability to read the defense combined with drops, bad routes, and the complete abandonment of the running game spells defeat.
Oh yeah… As for that “great” Raiders secondary?
NO PICKS on a QB who had 9 INTS in 6 games before today.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Crister…don’t feel too bad….read a few of the other posts….these dim wits do alot worse…and what’s really sorry, is they don’t know better.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
“revoke”. LOL
December 27th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Listening to the game in NC on XM Radio, after the first half defensive meltdown, I turned off the radio and exited the car. I KNEW that the Raiders would be out of it from there. This season is maddening. The playcalling is maddening. We had a 2nd and 3 in the 1st half and didn’t run it on 2nd OR 3rd down. WHAT IS CABLE THINKING!?! In Denver, he should have taken the 3 points and not the McFadden run. The game is about scoring points. If he returns, AL HAS TO DEMAND AN OFFENSIVE PLAY CALLER. From the sounds of it in the second half, he abandoned the run completely, so that’s all on Cable, PERIOD!
December 27th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Why should they respond, spellcheck? Most of them agree with me. Plus, you’ve responded to almost every one.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Crister,
#7 was an excellent post. Frye is limited, hard working, but limited. Perhaps a future QB coach or something.
I agree with you about Gradkowski and other team’s catching up with film study. That’s why I would not give him the starting job next year. It should be an all-out battle royal for the QB job next year. Best player period.
Talent does matter Crister. Your post was excellent on that point
December 27th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Let’s see a show of hands. How many agree with our dear MR?
December 27th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
“At least one person close to Davis isn’t sure Cable will be brought back.
The team source cited several factors working against Cable:
– Cable is the play caller for an offense that ranks last in total yards and first downs, and second-to-last in passing yards and points scored.
– Davis was said to be very upset by Cable’s role in the Randy Hanson dust-up, which resulted in Hanson’s broken jaw and an extended Napa police investigation.
– And then, there’s the stalled career of JaMarcus Russell, the No. 1 overall draft pick turned No. 3 quarterback.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/27/SPVN1BA0J2.DTL#ixzz0awviIxKA
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The article also talks about how the players all love Cable and want him back.
Of course they do.
No matter how shi*ty they play or how stupid, undisciplined, or down right pathetic they are as athletes, Cable always believes they are just right around the corner from being a Championship Team. Just a few plays difference and everything would be different.
I am tired of excuses, pathetic play, no accountability, large contracts for 3rd string talent, and terrible draft picks.
In other words, I am tired of Al Davis and whatever pathetic excuse for a coach he happens to employ at this moment.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Colorado Fan, mind your own business.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Our very best option at QB is J.P. Losman. Why? Because he doesn’t know any of the offense and that may finally FORCE Cable to RUN the ball.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Raider75, as sweet as it may be the players want their favorite coach back, does a 5-11 team really deserve to choose its own coach? I can see Indy players weighing in on a HC. But Raiders players? They’re lucky they’re not working at Safeway. Then again, Al Davis really doesn’t have the capacity to choose a head coach, either. Only a GM should hire a coach for the Raiders. Only problem is, no GM will ever come here. That means we’ll never have a real coach.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Right now this is my business. Until the kids go to bed, it’s this, or Yo Gabba Gabba.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
504, you want to see Losman because you don’t know for sure that he sucks yet. You’re not factoring in the truism that he wasn’t good enough for Buffalo, and Buffalo isn’t exactly winning Super Bowls. So he’s a clean slate, in your view. We play Losman next week, and by game’s end you’ll be blaming him for the past 7 years.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Our very best option at QB is J.P. Losman. Why? Because he doesn’t know any of the offense and that may finally FORCE Cable to RUN the ball.
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If you want to follow that logic ….Russell is the best choice.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
And since when has a QB not knowing the offense forced us to run the ball? Most of our quarterbacks since Gannon haven’t known any offense. We throw, anyway.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Right now this is my business. Until the kids go to bed, it’s this, or Yo Gabba Gabba.
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LMFAO!
Me too bro. I got a 3 and 5 yr old and they steal and hide the remote from me and it’s Noggin all day all night. Their new one is this wide mouth pig named Olivia.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
MR, I’m in New Orleans and I’ve seen as much Losman at Tulane as I’ve seen JaMarcus at LSU. To me Losman was average in college in an avg CUSA. I do know he’s accomplished more than Russell in the NFL. I want to see Cable run more. I could care less who’s handing off. The INTs are killing us since Grad went out.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Just let this loss sink in for a moment…
The Raiders gave up 23 points to a team led by a QB with a 36.2 QB rating.
How many times can a defense get burned by a draw play on 3rd and long when a team is backed up inside their own 10 yard line?
The Raiders were not motivated today. They came out flat and did not get into the game until they were down by 10 points.
Robo, Marshall, Me, or Bozo the Clown at D-Coordinator doesn’t matter. Raiders can’t stop the run. Look for Rice to gain 200 yards next week.
Why is it that every game Oakland has at least 2 O-lineman leave the game with injuries? Could it be lack of preparation and physical conditioning?
Seymour and Sapp come in as leaders and end up being undisciplined and stupid. Coincidence? Or does it have more to do with proud men being frustrated by the stupidity around them?
Zach Miller makes plays no matter what QB is in the game. Why can’t the other WRs?
So many questions…
December 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
504, No QB is going to do jack in our system. Our offensive line is a joke. A pure joke. They can go downhill sometimes when running the ball but they can’t protect the passer for crap. And the person who builds the teams doesn’t care anyway. He thinks offensive linemen are supposed to stand there and look scary. We still force the pass, even when we have a healthy running back. Which tells me Al Davis still tinkers with the weekly gameplanning. Put Tom Brady in a Raider jersey and he’s getting dug out of the mud by the second quarter.
December 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
We will all know Cable’s fate within 72 hrs after the Baltimore game. He’s retained, Tollner is out and a play-caller is brought in with Hackett also being retained as QB coach.
Here’s a question for you all: If Cable stays do you want Cable hiring the play-caller? or Al?
December 27th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
spellcheck, a little class, huh? Talking about peoples mothers…
December 27th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Russell’s staying. Cable’s gone.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Hell, I would throw a party if I woke up tomorrow and that old corpse Al Davis FINALLY met his maker. I asked Santa for it but……
December 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
MR, we got a 1st, 2nd, and two 3rd rnd picks. Give us the four guys you take. We want names not (OL, OL, OL& OL).
1.
2.
3a.
3b.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
OMG, richochet also threatened to kick me in the ass. Your posts are so intimidating, Richochet.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
With young skill players on offense, is it worth it to change OC again? Isn’t that one of the problems with our O, lack of continuity?
December 27th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
504,
1. A GM
2. A GM
3. A GM
3a. A GM
3b. A GM
December 27th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
spellcheck, show some class.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Spellcheck is Oakglenn. No question about it.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
With young skill players on offense, is it worth it to change OC again? Isn’t that one of the problems with our O, lack of continuity?
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or is it proper disciplined execution….which is an indictment of poor coaching
December 27th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
# Raider75 Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Just let this loss sink in for a moment…
The Raiders gave up 23 points to a team led by a QB with a 36.2 QB rating.
RICHOCHET: In other words, the Raiders suck?
Yeah, we know.
Glad you could join the party.
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Zach Miller makes plays no matter what QB is in the game. Why can’t the other WRs?
RICHOCHET: Simple. Miller doesn’t suck.
QUICK..who’s the best WR on the Raiders?
See?
You don’t know either…you want to say Schillens, but honestly..he’s so far been a one or two game wonder, then disappeared.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Colorado,
Nothin’s going on right now with our offense so it may not even be considered a change. I’ll bet Cable’s playbook is the same as one of those artist pads. He goes in on Wed & Thurs and scribbles some stuff in for the weekend. Then rips it off the pad Sunday evening and repeats the following Wed & Thurs.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Dude Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Spellcheck is Oakglenn. No question about it.
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Nope…not Oakglen….he was as inarticlate as the rest of you idiots.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Louis Murphy has the most consistant skills and motivation.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I always figured Cable’s playbook to be more like a stone tablet from the Flintstones. I’m not trying to defend him, but if we ever got constistent QB play, it might not be that bad. With our track record for hiring recently, someone new may be worse.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
And from reading that article, Cable is using DMac just as he wants because DMac’s head is full of cobwebs from all those run’s between Tackle and then making staements like “We love coach Cable. That’s why we play hard for him.”
But then again, DMac did previously play for a Nutt.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
# ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
With young skill players on offense, is it worth it to change OC again? Isn’t that one of the problems with our O, lack of continuity?
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Lack of continuity is an excuse players use for poor play.
No coach since Gruden has had a playbook over 5 pages deep.
Why is it that other teams don’t fall apart when they change coaches? You don’t hear about continuity anywhere else.
The problems with Oakland have more to do with lack of discipline, accountability, preparation, pride, and talent.
Only losers cry about continuity.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Richochet: You’re a putz, and a weenie, and a little twirp.
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MR’s response:
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How do you do this?
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OK….I think I have your cut and paste style figured out now
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Uhm, let’s see: Oooooooooh.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Remember Cable played and Coached at Idaho. On a recent visit there in 07 he slept at a Bed & Breakfast and stole the playbook that was in the display case next to the town maps.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
# spellcheck Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Louis Murphy has the most consistant skills and motivation.
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Consistant? LOL! F’N dude calls himself spellcheck and he can’t spell consistent.
And your wrong. Zach Miller is the best player on the offense.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
How can you legitimately criticize the playbook….Having to play JaMacandCheese for most of the season, Cable and the rest of the Offense were limited in practices (up until a short time ago) on the portions of the Offensive plays Russell could mentally grasp….you can’t at the end of the season throw the whole playbook at the offense (especially with all the substitutions for injured players) and expect them to execute it flawlessly. So in effect the plays available are limited.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
504, go ahead, blame everyone but Al Davis for this playbook that we’ve been using since the ’60s. Stabler criticized this playbook when he was here. Same b.s. style of plays we’re using now. Just forcing deep plays that aren’t there.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Raider75 Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
# spellcheck Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Louis Murphy has the most consistant skills and motivation.
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Consistant? LOL! F’N dude calls himself spellcheck and he can’t spell consistent.
And your wrong. Zach Miller is the best player on the offense.
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Hey idiot Miller isn’t a WR…if you want to play with the Adults learn to read.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I just got back to California and missed the game completely due to a delayed flight which was due to UNBELIEVABLE additional security at London Heathrow which was due to those jackasses who keep trying to blow people up.
So I get to Cali and find out WE LOSE TO CLEVELAND!!
I’m in a motel the first night and I see a sports bar across the road, so I think I’ll go in there and see how things look after a few beers.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
And [your] wrong. LOL. Keep ‘em coming “spellcheck”.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
I still say that Weis will be the next coach in Oakland.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
And [your] wrong. LOL. Keep ‘em coming “spellcheck”.
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LOL! Holy SH*T! Now I’m doing it.
Your, You’re, Ur, whatever…lol
December 27th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
If you’ve been following the Raiders for more than 5 years and don’t understand how any particular play caller can ditch the running game, you’re either in serious denial as to how the Raiders operate, or learning disabled.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Richochet, you’re a beyotch. Beyotch.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
# spellcheck Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Olivia the pig…isn’t that MR’s mother?
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I like to poke a little fun at MRs love of JR, but how about a little bit of class? This isn’t 6th grade recess.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Beeeeeyotch, what are you smokin’?
December 27th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Thank you G. Tell him.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I just drop a few lines then call here a beyotch. Beyotch.
It’s almost like you’re spelling Beyonce, and then segueing into bi tch. Did she kick you out of her fan club? You and me both…
December 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I just got back to California and missed the game completely due to a delayed flight which was due to UNBELIEVABLE additional security at London Heathrow which was due to those jackasses who keep trying to blow people up.
So I get to Cali and find out WE LOSE TO CLEVELAND!!
I’m in a motel the first night and I see a sports bar across the road, so I think I’ll go in there and see how things look after a few beers.
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Bad news for ya…you weren’t that bright when you were across the pond.
Coming to “Cali” isn’t going to help.
And “how things look after a few beers”??
Raiders were OWNED BY THE FREAKING SORRYASS BROWNS..you can have a kegger, and nothing is going to make the above look any better.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Rickosheeeeeeeeeeeeet:
Still demonstrating your mastery of the cut and paste are you.
You might as well since that’s all you have .
December 27th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
I just drop a few lines then call here a beyotch. Beyotch.
It’s almost like you’re spelling Beyonce, and then segueing into bi tch. Did she kick you out of her fan club? You and me both…
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Dang it MR. You know you can’t use words like segueing in here.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
Richochet’s cut and paste style is so archaic it makes the Raiders’ offense look like the Colts.
Duh
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Duh derrrrrrrr duh
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richochet’s resonce: deerrrrr duhhhh, duh, derrr
December 27th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
This was the second most frustrating loss this season (those of us at the KC game saw the other). Here’s why:
1) When are we going to learn how to stop the freaking run? Kirk Morrison over pursued Harrison so many times… Then when any of our LBs had a shot at him, they arm tackled. Not good – but that’s been a problem for years. I follow Kirk and Howard on twitter – I think that they are great guys, but I’m not seeing a lot of them getting off blocks and stopping the run. I see a lot of DBs making tackles. The 4-3 D is about gap control and setting up the backers… I’m not seeing it. Does our D have any real attitude? Who is the leader? That episode before the half was moronic from the ref’s side, but also from our side. (NOTE: when you have two bottom dwelling teams playing at the end of the season you don’t get playoff caliber officiating).
2) Rob Ryan blitzed the crap out of us… and it worked. Beyond the fact that it was Rob Ryan, we didn’t try to move the pocket – we had our usual two lineman down and we didn’t try to help out. How frustrating was that – to see him control the Raiders O using the blitz? It was also frustrating because we did so well against Philly – who blitzed a lot.
3) It was written above, but let’s get back to it – a player may be a student of the game, but that doesn’t make him a *great* player. I was hoping that Charlie Frye wouldn’t make any mental errors and that our running game would set up the pass. 3 INTs… I would rather see Jamarcus start the last game than to see Charlie Frye, who has limited upside march out there again.
4) I’m not convinced about DMAC – he goes down far too easily. Compare his running touches vs. Bush and there is no comparison. For those of us that watch Fargas run – I admit that there is limited upside, but he runs harder than both of them – and that is why he is still around.
Bottom line: I don’t think that we are a QB away from being a contender. I think that we are at least two LBs, a tackle, guard, center, and QB away from being a contender.
Here are the moves that I would make:
1) I would keep Jamarcus Russell – let’s see what he does in the off season. If we are going to cut him and take the salary hit – do it right before the start of the season.
2) Keep Gradowski – cut Frye – draft QBs in the 3rd / 4th round of each draft (like the Packers who seem to have done a good job of the years).
3) Cable is an O-line coach. The O-Line loves him. He isn’t an O coordinator, and probably isn’t a head coach. ’nuff said.
4) Keep John Marshall – I think our D has improved, however it is time to practice tackling in Napa next year. (I know that this will never happen because Al is our GM / Owner).
Where does that leave us? my guess is 3 to 4 years away. While we try to plug the holes I’ve listed, we will lose players.
I don’t know who would replace Cable because getting the Oakland coaching position isn’t exactly Apple of any up and coming coach (and I won’t even start with championship caliber coach).
As fans we have to suck it up and realize that being a fan of Oakland is a sickness. I can’t help it – I’m sick – we shall return.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
“Cut and paste”? You dumbass, Englander..
See, message boards have a “quote” feature, so it’s obvious who one’s detailing that has their head up their ass.
I can simple things escape you.
Hell, you thought the Browns beat down of the Raiders would look “different” after a few beers.
I don’t think you’re slow because you’re from GB..I think you’re slow in spite of that.
Thinking never was your forte’, was it?
December 27th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Know what, I’ll take Weis at this point. I think that would work and he’s arrogant enough to take the gig and think he can do what the last 4 didn’t.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Do you think Weis would take the job? What did he get, $15mil for 5 years at ND? Don’t think Al pays that well.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Rickosheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet:
Gee, you sound really tough,maybe I’d better back away from such a tough guy.
Your cut and paste is outstanding.
Your intellectual abilitites, however, are something completely different.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Speaking of ‘not thinking’..Englander.
You travel from Heathrow to California..AND THE FIRST THING YOU DO IS RUSH TO POST ON THIS BLOG?
LMFAO..damn..AND WE HAVE A WINNER…”LOSER OF THE YEAR”.
With less than a week to go, I think you can make a spot on the mantle for your trophy, as NO ONE is going to say anything more pathetic than that.
“Duh…I’s just gots here..and just found out the Raiders lost..SO I HAD TO RUSH ONLINE TO TELL YOU ALL THAT I JUST GOT HERE”
Oh..AND you’re headed to the bar to see “if things look different”.
Yep…LOSER OF THE YEAR.
congrats..you’ve earned it.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/raiders
Tom Cable – “We just didn’t make any plays. We just weren’t able to make any scoring plays on offense. That was the difference.”
REALLY? No sh*t.
How about saying… “We just had a lower score on the scoreboard. That was the difference. If we would have had a higher score than them, then we would have won.”
F’N Cable. What a dork.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Awww..lol…look at englander..getting all pissy.
“You pasted my comments, then torched them, Richochet”
Good for you..Loser of the Year, and Dork of the Year…all in the same week.
Aren’t you just special?
Uh…the bar? lol…you know..across the street..OH THAT’S RIGHT, FIRST THINGS FIRST…posting on this blog…good for you, GOMER.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Rickosheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet:
What are you about twelve?
It’s worthwhile getting really annoyed with Mr but you old son are just not worth the time.
Kiss my all-Raider arse you sorry pile of cut and paste.
December 27th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
I’m sorry, England, but I missed your answer.
How sorryass do you have to be that you get off a plane, after a 12 hour flight, and the first thing you do IS RUSH TO POST ON THIS BLOG?
Take your time..then get back to making ignorant excuses why you can’t think of anything.
Oh..and that “Not worth the time”??
I’m just sure most will not confuse that with “My sorryass can’t come up with one thing to say in reply, so let’s just run that weak ass comment, and hope someone buys it”
they don’t.
it’s sorryass weak, and screams “PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE”.
You ok, pumpkin?
Jetlag?
Idiotlag?
Can you tell the difference?
Just curious
December 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
“Dork of the year”
“Getting all pissy”
“Thinking never was your forte”
You talk like no man I ever met in my entir life.
LOL.
Tell mommy you’re going to bed now.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Now this is Entertainment!…the bullies and the sycophants.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
HEY NORCO BOB!
Where the hell are you?!
Arging with childish idiots like Rickosheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet is no fun at all.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
The only person dumber than a Mo-Ron is the person who’d argue with one.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Well, having unpacked my case, checked the NFl scores and found that all there is on the blog tonight is a cloud of hubris, I think I’ll adjourn to the sports bar.
I expect Rickosheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet’s momy has told him to go to bed anyway.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Hey kids…..
Might I recomend, soome good old Greatful Dead. Or, Bob Seger “Live Bullet”…. Relax….
It’s just a game…..
December 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I prefer the grateful dead
December 27th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Rickosheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet:
What are you about twelve?
It’s worthwhile getting really annoyed with Mr but you old son are just not worth the time.
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Of COURSE it’s worthwhile you engaging the board challenged attention whore , in lieu of yours truly.
MoronRaider is an idiot.
You say something stupid, and it’s beyond his ability to come up with a reply..so yeah, best you stick to the level you feel safest at.
You just might not be as stupid as you look..then again..
December 27th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Here’s what I’d like to see on our O-line:
New OLT, Gallery, New OC, Walker, Henderson. Restructure the line for POWER BLOCKING – no more ZBS. If we can’t find the right OLT then take the best ORT and leave Henderson at OLT.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Well, having unpacked my case, checked the NFl scores and found that all there is on the blog tonight is a cloud of hubris, I think I’ll adjourn to the sports bar.
I expect Rickosheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet’s momy has told him to go to bed anyway.
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oh damn, LMFAO..I was right.
You “unpacked”..and because this board isn’t up to snuff, NOW you’ll adjourn? YOUR PLANE ARRIVES, UNPACK, and your first choice is THIS BOARD?
Oh geez..a freaking British geek…no wonder you’re easy.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
“in lieu of your truly”
LOL
December 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Now the Grateful Dead is a good thought, Bob Seager too.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
On, Wednesday the 30th. I have a meeting.
A matter of principal……Just remember kids…..When anybody calls b.s. call.. and the the cards play out…..take care…….
December 27th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Out and laughing.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
ENGLAND RAIDER….
Take care…..
Bob Seger, is the real deal…..
December 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Time for the Cable experiment to be over.
Time for the JaBustus reign to be over.
Time for drafting fast 40 track stars to be over.
Time for consistent losing to be over.
Time for dumb play calling to be over.
Time for 10+ penalties per game to be over.
Time for being in the cellar to be over.
Time for Al Davis control of the team to be over.
Time for all scholarship players to be over.
Time for all overpaid underachievers to be over.
Time for lame press conferences explaining our failure to be over.
Excuses are like A$$holes. Everybody has one. Unfortunately this teams has more than it’s share.
It’s time for a change.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Yeah JB, and Opinions are like A$$holes too….and you need to learn to wipe better cause yours really stink.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
“Get out of Denver, baby go”…….B Seger…..
December 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Time for a change indeed.
We did not blitz today at all. Scared of Clevelands dynamic quarterback no doubt.
No misdirection plays inspite of the fact that the Cleveland defense was overpersuing on every play.
No Michael Bush in the second half. Darren McFalldown between the tackles.
And more idiotic antics by the defense. Stupid personal fouls. No accountability.
December 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
These game exemplifies why the Raiders not be a playoff contending team anytime.
Winning week in and week out is not in this owner/gms/ head coach and teams nature.
If Cable stays….then a assistant head coach/play caller is needed. Along with more discipline.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
“The piano has been drinkin.” —-Dan Hicks…..
Look it up, young uns…..
December 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
With Holmgren in charge with the Browns….how much you Al Davis lapdogs want to bet the Browns turn it around faster then the Raiders will…as long as Al is making the football decisions?
December 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Right now we are the #8 pick for the upcoming draft. After a loss next week to the Ravens, and if there are wins by Seattle, Cleveland &/or Washington, our position could move to the #5 pick.
Hopefully, we will go for OT, MLB, C, CB, C/OG, DT, DE & C/OG.
I’d also like to see us pick-up Troy Smith-QB RFA, Ravens. Let Gradkowski, Frye, Losman & Smith battle it out for the starting position. They all have similar styles of play and are fairly mobile.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
007,
Who cares????
Try some, “Dan Hicks & his hot licks”…
you’ll be glad you did…….
December 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
# JB Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Right now we are the #8 pick for the upcoming draft. After a loss next week to the Ravens, and if there are wins by Seattle, Cleveland &/or Washington, our position could move to the #5 pick.
Hopefully, we will go for OT, MLB, C, CB, C/OG, DT, DE & C/OG.
I’d also like to see us pick-up Troy Smith-QB RFA, Ravens. Let Gradkowski, Frye, Losman & Smith battle it out for the starting position. They all have similar styles of play and are fairly mobile.
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If the stupid old man doesn’t hire a GM and ends up using a top 8 pick on freakin CB, then someone needs to snipe that old dumb man.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Al is going to pick, Taylor Mays. period end of story….Not sayin we need him…But, that’s whom Al’s going to pick….
Al has a fetish for 4.2 speed. & 6-3, 240lbs.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
As for Bush, his last carry came with 10:11 left in the third quarter. The Raiders ran 29 plays from that point until the end of the game and he never once got the ball as Oakland abandoned all pretense of the pass with Darren McFadden carrying four times for 14 yards.
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Jerry
Do you ever read your blather before you post it?
December 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
The Browns spent much of the game mixing and matching, running more blitzes than Ryan would in four games as the Raiders defensive coordinator. Then he had the Browns fall back into a soft zone which came up with a pair of key interceptions.
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Jerry
Are you so busy shilling for Davis, you can’t even check what you’re putting out?
December 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Here is my take about our beloved team. Al Davis is to be blamed 75% as the GM of this team. 10% I would blame Cable play calling and Marshall stupid defense. 5% I would blame the players. I keep hearing many ppl in here saying we got talent, I dont see any talent, Asmough is our best player and he gives up on some plays. Browns first rushing touchdown, I swear I seen a receiver blocking Asmough softly and he didnt even bother to stop the running back. More than half the team are playing soft. Matter fact i could name them. Starting with the Defense.
Ellis
Syemour
TK
Warren
Morrison
CJ
Routt
Eugene
Offense
DMAC
the whole offensive line
JLH
Schillens
These players are giving up on plays and are clearing playing soft imo. We need guys who play the game with passion like Zack Miller and Murphy. We need a new talent evaluator cause these guys are not talented and a true GM would fix this problem but with AL around i dont see it.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
How about the 14-0 Colts quitting halfway through a game they were winning in Week 16? How gutless was that? I really like Manning and much prefer the Colts to the Chargers and Pats, but I’d kind of like to see them go down in flames in the divisional playoff round after that move. No way would Al Davis allow such a bush-league move if he were in that situation.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Langston Walker’s injury hurt. That’s probably why Cable went away from the run game.
Rob Ryans blitzing, from all directions, had Frye off balance as well.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I don’t blame Al Davis or even Cable, necessarily, for this season. The fact is you need good QB play to do anything in this league right now. Hell, if Gradkowski didn’t get hurt I’d say odds are we beat Washington and Cleveland and are sitting at 7-8 right now on the cusp of the playoff mix. And that’s with opening 2-7 under the JaMarcus debacle.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
# Raider75 Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
# ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
With young skill players on offense, is it worth it to change OC again? Isn’t that one of the problems with our O, lack of continuity?
………..
Lack of continuity is an excuse players use for poor play.
No coach since Gruden has had a playbook over 5 pages deep.
Why is it that other teams don’t fall apart when they change coaches? You don’t hear about continuity anywhere else.
The problems with Oakland have more to do with lack of discipline, accountability, preparation, pride, and talent.
Only losers cry about continuity.
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Thats why I was pushing hard for Holmgren and Gruden here in Oakland.
They are proven WINNERS!!
Something this “dysfunctional organization” knows nothing about the last 7 years.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
How about the 14-0 Colts quitting halfway through a game they were winning in Week 16? How gutless was that? I really like Manning and much prefer the Colts to the Chargers and Pats, but I’d kind of like to see them go down in flames in the divisional playoff round after that move. No way would Al Davis allow such a bush-league move if he were in that situation.
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What a stoopid arssed comment from a fan whose Al Davis team has lost 10 or more for 7 straight seasons!!!
December 27th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
How about the 14-0 Colts quitting halfway through a game they were winning in Week 16? How gutless was that? I really like Manning and much prefer the Colts to the Chargers and Pats, but I’d kind of like to see them go down in flames in the divisional playoff round after that move. No way would Al Davis allow such a bush-league move if he were in that situation.
^^^^^^^^^^
That was the one of the stupidest pansy a$$ decisions I have ever seen by an organization and a head coach.
The Colts organization and Caldwell should be ashamed at themselves for doing what they did today. You can tell the players and fans were pissed!
Whether Polian or Caldwell made that call….it was a terrible. Only way they should have sat players is if they were up by 17 or 21 in the 4th or if they were getting killed by 21 in the fourth. Nontheless Caldwell pulls Manning and the rest of starters up by 5 with most of the 3rd quarter to play??
His players and organization had a chance at making history and it was taken away from them. Stupid!
What a pansy a$$ move!
December 27th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Why is it that other teams don’t fall apart when they change coaches? You don’t hear about continuity anywhere else.
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Whose stupid aszzed comment is this?
December 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
You gotta be a stupid mothahubberd to talk sheet about a 14-0 team when yours has lost 10 or more for 7 straight years. Don’t friggin tell me what Al Davis woulda done!!
December 27th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Jeez, man…..
“I’m as mello as a chello”. —-Dan Hicks…..
Look it up, kids…………..RELAX……
December 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
F.U. Kell. We all know the Raiders record for the last 7 years. That’s not the point. We’re not saying the Raiders have been a better team than the Colts this decade. But if we had Manning and the Colts had the likes of Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Josh McCown, Daunte Culpepper and JaMarcus Russell I guarantee the paths of the two franchises would be completely reversed.
The point is that Al Davis would recognize the historical importance of the feat of going undefeated and would never allow his team to lay down at 14-0 with a lead in Week 16. That much I know. And that much I can respect about a guy like Al Davis.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
But if we had Manning and the Colts had the likes of Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Josh McCown, Daunte Culpepper and JaMarcus Russell I guarantee the paths of the two franchises would be completely reversed.
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STFU you stupid mkr. If you had any nuts you’d be a man
December 27th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
The point is that Al Davis would recognize the historical importance of the feat of going undefeated and would never allow his team to lay down at 14-0 with a lead in Week 16. That much I know. And that much I can respect about a guy like Al Davis.
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You make me friggin sick!!!!!!!!
December 27th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
How friggin stupid do you have to be.
IF AL DAVIS KNEW SO MUCH WE WOULDN’T HAVE LOST SO MANY FRIGGIN GAMES.
Stupid azz.
December 27th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
The point is that Al Davis would recognize the historical importance of the feat of going undefeated and would never allow his team to lay down at 14-0 with a lead in Week 16. That much I know. And that much I can respect about a guy like Al Davis.
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6 winning seasons in 20 years, and this fool is telling me what Al Davis woulda done????????????
December 27th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Chris in NY,…..
Don’t sweat the small sh!……..
December 27th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Another year with double digit losses.
Thanks Coach Cable, Russell, McFadden, DHB, the entire O-line, Kirk Morrison, and most of all, Al Davis.
None of this would have been possible without you.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
I’m out. Go ahead with your stupidd nonsense.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
All I know is…
I was at the local dive @ 10:00am pst, with 15-22 Raider fans. Wasn’t fer us, the dive would not had no one there……
December 27th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Kell,
Hate all you want. Al Davis has made a lot of mistakes in recent years but the guy does have THREE Super Bowl rings and his team has played in 5 of the 43 Super Bowls ever — that’s about 12%. How many other teams can say that?
The simple fact is that you can’t win in today’s NFL without elite QB play. The last time we had that — league MVP Rich Gannon — we were a perennial contender. That’s what it really boils down to.
Look at the current division leaders/winners and who they have at QB:
- Brady
- Carson Palmer
- Manning
- Rivers
- McNabb
- Favre
- Brees
- Warner
Direct your anger at your boy JaMarcus for collecting his $30 mil and coasting when if he had the passion of a Manning, Brady or Brees he’d probably be an elite QB.
Besides, my main point is just that the Colts approach is sickening.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Ravens will kill Oakland next week.
Look for Rice to put up 200 yards rushing.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
No fault on the Colts players either. Manning and Co. clearly wanted to go for it. It was the suit upstairs (Polian) that took the pursuit of history out of their hands.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I agree Chris.
Texans might miss a franchise first playoff spot because the Colts give the Jets a free pass.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
The only time the Colts won a Super Bowl is when they played their starters all the way through the regular season out of necessity. Every time the Colts shut it down early they are a postseason disappointment. Won’t those guys ever learn?
December 27th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Not sure what to say about Frye today. He did some OK things and amassed more yards passing than JaMarcus did in any game in about 2 years as the starter. But the picks were very ugly and absolutely killed us.
All I’m saying is if Gradkowski didn’t get hurt I fully believe we’re 7-8 right now and still possibly alive for a playoff spot. Can you imagine that?
Gotta resign Bruce. Russell needs to take a major pay cut or get cut. Frye is a 2nd-stringer at best. Losman is a question mark. Jason Campbell and Troy Smith are a couple of free agents who could be interesting additions to the mix competing for the starting job in 2010.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
If it were up to me I’d probably go with Gradkowski, Smith and either JaMarcus or Losman as the 3rd-stringer developmental project with big upside.
December 27th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Chris in NY
“Direct your anger at your boy JaMarcus for collecting his $30 mil and coasting when if he had the passion of a Manning, Brady or Brees he’d probably be an elite QB.”
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I don’t blame JaBustus. He’s just a big old southern dummy trying to make a living. He’s not bright enough to have generated a master plan to screw the Raiders. He’s certainly not NFL caliber QB material. And, IMO, he never ever will be.
The culprit to blame is Al Davis. He’s the one who picked JaBustus instead of Calvin Johnson or Adrian Petersen. He’s also the one that picked Bey instead of Crabtree or Eugene Monroe. He’s also the same one who pick DMac instead of Sedrick Ellis or Chris Johnson. He’s the same guy who picked Michael Huff instead of Jay Cutler or Haloti Ngata. Let’s not forget that he also gave a 2nd & 5th round pick plus 8 Million dollars for MeAngelo Hall who played a total of 8 games & was cut. Oh yes, let’s not forget the multi-million dollar WR who doesn’t play – Yvonne Walker. This could go on all night but the point has hopefully been made, AD has lost it big time. He can no longer do what he used to be so good at – making this a winning organization. Everybody on the face of this earth knows that he’s no longer competent to handle the job. The only problem is that he either doesn’t believe it or is just total overtaken with dementia. Until he is replaced or until he releases control of the team to an independent GM & HC, this team will continue to fail.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:58 am
big difference between Frye and Grad, Grad is on time and Frye is late. Not as late as JR but not as on time as Grad. The int late in the 4th qtr with 5 mins left was a back breaker. That int to Higgins was a 1 sec too late. I like Frye. He may not be Grad but he’s better than Jawalrus.
December 28th, 2009 at 4:06 am
aig..
I agree, but if Frye had been #2 all season I believe he would have been better, I still like the kid as a backup..
December 28th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Morning Nation!!!!
we was gashed
December 28th, 2009 at 4:13 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
With Holmgren in charge with the Browns….how much you Al Davis lapdogs want to bet the Browns turn it around faster then the Raiders will…as long as Al is making the football decisions?
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With that young and very good O-line and those young and good RB’s Mangini dosent look like he even needs Holmgren around,imo
December 28th, 2009 at 4:20 am
Man…..we didnt Break The Cycle of double digit losses.This is Pitiful,imo
December 28th, 2009 at 4:21 am
mornings
December 28th, 2009 at 4:39 am
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December 28th, 2009 at 4:42 am
bbl Nation
December 28th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Good Morning Nation, The Only Nation.
So lets see if i got this right.
Jmac plays poorly and gets benched, DHB plays poorly and gets mistyriously hurt and goes to the bench, M-Bush our best runner by far gets benched why?.
While other players like Frye 3 int’s, C-Johnson continuing to give up the booty, C-Green continuing to false start, Dmac doing decent but not better then Bush, JLH sucks period pre madonna WR. DHB should be growing as a young WR in a season that is meaningless now and has been for a while.
Tom Cable sucks as a playcaller he does not put the best players on the field, i notice when Mitchell is in the game our run “D” is a lot better and more physical, why is he not in the game more? he even covered the TE better then anyone else i have seen on the team. I watched him closely yesterday and he was hitting hard even after the play was over.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Good Morning Nation…
Jerry does have a point…3 times in side the fn 10….2 int’s and a FG…Hmmm…we need a true OC next year!
December 28th, 2009 at 5:41 am
As an organization, we’re just treading water. Cleveland moved ahead and picked up Holmgren; the Redskins finally got rid of Vinny Cerrato. Meanwhile, we just plod along in sub-mediocrity. We have a dynamic back in Michael Bush, who we don’t run nearly enough. We spent a first round pick two years ago on D-Mac, who we haven’t seen very much of, and a number one pick from two years ago that we’ve seen ENOUGH of (I don’t care that he led us to a comeback win last week!) Now, we need to focus on building the organization with strong players on the line — forget the skilled positions — that hasn’t worked out too well lately. Cable may get another year, but he’s not the answer. I think all the penalties and mistakes that showed up yesterday truly represent what we’ve seen for the past seven years. ENOUGH ALREADY!
December 28th, 2009 at 5:47 am
I think that if it was Jmac throwing those int’s you all would be on his a$$ right now. I also think that Gradkowski should just hang it up this year whats the point. Even if he can play he wont be able to scrammble like before way to soon. Rest up and get ready for an open competition next season.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:49 am
I’ve heard several people mention the names of Troy Smith and Jason Campbell. I have always liked Campbell and felt he was the victim of constant change/turmoil/bad play-calling in Washington. If we could get a shot at him, that would be great — as long as we don’t have to mortgage away even MORE of our draft picks!
December 28th, 2009 at 5:50 am
I agree R8dr4lfe…I agree!
December 28th, 2009 at 5:51 am
I say trade our 1st round pic for Matt Schaub He will be a free agent i believe and his #’s are off the charts. He will be better then anything else we try drafting. Then after that we concentrate on the O-Line.
December 28th, 2009 at 5:54 am
I agree that Grad-man should just shut it down for the last game. It doesn’t really matter WHO we play at QB — I say we just pound the rock all day and give all our ball carriers lots of touches … try to keep the game close, and keep the clock running. A good buddy of mine (also longtime Raider fan) says that our two goals should be: 1) bust somebody in the mouth; 2) f-up the other team’s injury report!
December 28th, 2009 at 5:55 am
# r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 5:51 am
I say trade our 1st round pic for Matt Schaub He will be a free agent i believe and his #’s are off the charts. He will be better then anything else we try drafting. Then after that we concentrate on the O-Line.
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I don’t think we can go two years in a row without a first round draft pick (remember, we gave up our 2011 pick in the Seymour deal).
December 28th, 2009 at 5:58 am
raidertbone Says:
I don’t think we can go two years in a row without a first round draft pick (remember, we gave up our 2011 pick in the Seymour deal).
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I say why not look at our past Draft pics in a row what jumps out at you from our 1st round pics.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:02 am
You all will probably hate me on this but here it goes.
Nnamdi is my all time favorite Raider but i feel keeping him is hurting him and the team long term. He needs to be on a winning team and we need to get the pressure off of the other DB’s. With Nnamdi in there it’s giving the other teams offense to just focus on half the field making it easier since we dont have Nnamdi shadowing the best WR’s.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:05 am
If we change our philosophy and go for solid line players who can help our team for years to come, then those picks are worth their weight in gold. If we keep doing what we’ve done of late, I say “What the hell: let’s just trade away our first round pick and see if we can bring back Me-Angelo Hall” (of course, I’m just kidding, but you get my point)!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Funny, Tbone…but I think Me-Angelo would have actually worked this year…because he is best at playing zone, not man. And…we have played zone many times this year! But…you never know!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:08 am
# r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 6:02 am
You all will probably hate me on this but here it goes.
Nnamdi is my all time favorite Raider but i feel keeping him is hurting him and the team long term. He needs to be on a winning team and we need to get the pressure off of the other DB’s. With Nnamdi in there it’s giving the other teams offense to just focus on half the field making it easier since we dont have Nnamdi shadowing the best WR’s.
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Not only do I NOT hate you for saying that, but we may have to look at letting him go simply because he is one of few bargaining chips that we have. We can’t win with him and NO ONE ELSE on defense. I love Nnamdi a lot, but making a deal could help us long-term.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:11 am
A QB on defense for a QB on offense.
I still say Matt Schaub and a 2nd for Nnamdi. Imagine him on the Eagles with Samuels wow.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Let’s trade the Vikings JaWalrus and Nnamdi in exchange for Jared Allen and one of the two Williams boys on the D-line!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Morning Nation!
Update.. Our team still sucks.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:13 am
We tried drafting the cant miss O-Linemen (Gallery) and that didnt turn out in our favor. We have drafted pretty good in the later rounds though. I just want this zone blocking to go away i cant stand it and it doesnt suit our RB’s except Fargas.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:14 am
# raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Let’s trade the Vikings JaWalrus and Nnamdi in exchange for Jared Allen and one of the two Williams boys on the D-line!
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Man, that was some good weed I was smokin’!! I was hallucinating utopia there, for a moment.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:15 am
You know the Patriots might want Nnamdi i know they wanted him last year. Maybe we get our first rounder back and Wilfork.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Hey…if the Vikings fall for it…I’ll take a hit with yah…
December 28th, 2009 at 6:17 am
No way we trade Nnamdi!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:19 am
# r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 6:15 am
You know the Patriots might want Nnamdi i know they wanted him last year. Maybe we get our first rounder back and Wilfork.
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If we could get our first rounder back and Wilfork too, I’d say go ahead and pull that string – now!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:19 am
spellcheck, its inarticulate, not inarticlate. I liked the concept of a Jim rat, though.
“Those sleezy Jims“
”Yah, hate em. Though they do work hard.”
haha. I am neither a bush proponent or antagonist, just want to see him get a full load to either shut up the bush camp or make em happy and move on. Obviously no bush on 2nd and 2 looks DUMB. somethin is up with Cable and Bush, gotta be. not for long though, Cable is done.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:22 am
The thing is, if we could make a deal and get Wilfork, we could re-unite him with Seymour and then draft that stud McClain for our linebacking corps. Then, if the kid Dunlap (from Florida) could fall into our laps in the second round, our defense would be looking pretty good.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Cable should be gone and take his zone blocking O-Line with him. How did we allow all our good fullbacks to leave. At 1 point we had 3 good fullbacks and now we have a doper and not even any good.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:24 am
True — our fullbacks are definitely all full of SOMETHING!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:25 am
If Tebow falls to us in the 3rd even the 2nd i would take him. Dude has heart and is a workout warrior not to mention athletic.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:26 am
I am not sure about and was shocked about Lorenzo Neal being cut prior to the season opener, but…didn’t Oren Oneal fail his physical and that is why he was released? I do agree with you though…ALL of our good FBS?
December 28th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Yeah, but for what position? I am not sure if Tebow’s style of QBing will make it in the NFL…
December 28th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Consider this — why doesn’t Al go after Cincy defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer as a possible coaching candidate? I think the change would do Zimmer good, and he has what it takes, IMO, to help turn this organization around.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:31 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 6:11 am
A QB on defense for a QB on offense.
I still say Matt Schaub and a 2nd for Nnamdi. Imagine him on the Eagles with Samuels wow.
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nobody, but nobody is going to trade for Nnamdi…
here’s why:
2/19/2009: Signed a three-year, $45.3 million contract.
The first two years, totaling $28.6 million, are fully guaranteed.
Another $4.7 million is available through incentives.
To keep Asomugha through 2011 the Raiders must pay him either the franchise number for quarterbacks that year OR $16.875 million, whichever number is greater.
If the club fails to exercise the option, Asomugha cannot be franchise tagged and will become an unrestricted free agent.
2009: $4.5 million, 2010: $755,000, 2011: $2.105 million (Club Option), 2012: $3.455 million (Voidable Years), 2013: $4.805 million, 2014: $6.155 million, 2015: Free Agent
i guess what i am trying to say is: nobody but al davis is this f’ing crazy…
December 28th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Yes true but we are also the team with the highest payroll or close to it. I know a number of teams that would love to have a player of his caliber and work ethic.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Pete:
If anybody in the league would make that deal though, it would be the Patriots. Seeing the upside of Nnamdi added to their defense, they would gladly absorb that salary and tack-on an extension to shore up that CB spot. They have longed to add an All-Pro to that part of their line-up and the time may be right … plus, we need all the extra help we can get. If the Pats sense our desperation, don’t be surprised to see it all come down after the season’s end.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:36 am
A team with a decent coaching staff that knows all they have to do is defend half the field, come on who wouldnt want him. Not to mention they would probably be smart enough or smarter then the Raiders to have him shadowing the best WR’s.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:38 am
raidertbone Says:
If anybody in the league would make that deal though, it would be the Patriots. Seeing the upside of Nnamdi added to their defense, they would gladly absorb that salary and tack-on an extension to shore up that CB spot. They have longed to add an All-Pro to that part of their line-up and the time may be right … plus, we need all the extra help we can get. If the Pats sense our desperation, don’t be surprised to see it all come down after the season’s end.
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Yes the Pats have had there eye on Nnamdi for the last 2 seasons since the departure of Samuels. It’s seems to be a logical trade for both teams and i dont think we or they get screwed on this deal.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Something you may all want to think about — if Nnamdi was our only true bargaining chip, it made all the sense in the world for Al to lock him up, rather than have him walk for free agency. Now, at least, we have time to package something, while he still has plenty of buzz and upside. And besides, he is not our MVP on defense … that would be Shane Lechler!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:40 am
I will forever keep my Nnamdi 21 in my closet maybe even frame it. Hell i still have my Napolean Harris jersey lol. I just cant throw anything Raiders away not even the black bags they hand out when you buy something at the Raider Image lol.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Hell Nnamdi has been mentoring Huff all season and he has been doing great. Maybe with his build we move him to corner and insert the hard hitter Mitchell next season. Kinda of what we did with Nnamdi from safety to shut down corner same work ethic.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Oh hell yeah — keep the Nnamdi jersey … he’ll go down as one of the best to ever wear a Raiders uni … however, the future don’t look too good if we continue to carry him and don’t fix the rest of our #$%^&**(
December 28th, 2009 at 6:47 am
here’s the problem…
you cannot micro-manage football teams from an office or a wheelchair…
we have absolutely no idea of how good or bad our head coaches are… because they are the co-(sub)-head-coach… with Davis being the ultimate yea/nay guy…
because no matter how long you have been a professional football player/coach/management Al has you trumped…
and that is why i have this last thing to say to Al…
results matter…
December 28th, 2009 at 6:47 am
r8dr4lfe21
Are you talking Kevin Kolb and nbot Matt Schaub?
Why would Houston trade Schaub?
December 28th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Nnamdi has the skills to shut down half the field the whole league knows that. He is special with tackling abbilities unmatched by any other corner in recent memory. Did you see him chop down the O-Linmen from Denver on that screen play “fearless” with “heart”. I ask what team would give there left nut for him.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:48 am
He is in his last year and they would be getting something in return.
December 28th, 2009 at 6:50 am
alright…
for those of you who think someone would trade for Nnamdi…
trade Nnamdi and Jamarcus for a 2nd and a 3rd…
we dump two of the biggest salaries… one All Pro and one All Decade Bust …
December 28th, 2009 at 6:54 am
NO!!!! Wait…who would want Russell…even if packaged with Nnamdi? Well, who knows these days? Al HAS everyone trumped!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Abandon the run and with our strong O-Line lets get all pass happy. This is what Cable seems to think we have. 3 strong runners even in preseason you could see what was gonna be the case by the way Cable abandoned the run saying we know we can run we need to pass the ball. Well Mr Cable you my friend are put on blast for neglecting our strength as a team. You are to blame for Gradkowski’s injury, you are to blame for M-Bush lack of carries, and you are to blame for some poor defensive stats (keeping them on the field far to long).
December 28th, 2009 at 6:59 am
From Peter Kings MMQB:
“I think he knows that he should.”
– John Madden, in Sunday’s New York Post, asked by columnist Steve Serby if Oakland owner and close Madden friend Al Davis should hire a football czar.”
December 28th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Yeah, that did not make sense all year long…but…maybe it was Davis who called that? I don’t know…
December 28th, 2009 at 6:59 am
I just went on to Walter Football draft tracker. Get this: for our first round pick, they have us selecting Ryan Mallett, QB out of Arkansas … WTF!!!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:01 am
i’ll bet anyone i could cut the payroll in half…
sign a few free agents… (shaub might be a target… couple others)…
draft wisely… (i.e. no reaches… trade down if possible… try to get extra picks in 2, 3, 4 rounds…)
try to lure Gruden back…
trade cable to idaho…
dump the ZBS…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Ryan Mallet makes perfect sense in Raider land lol.
Come on the reason Al hired Cable was cause they think the same, live with the passing game. Cable sucks flat out he cannot continue to call a game and bench our best RB without cause.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Thats some funny shiot…
trade cable to idaho…haha!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:04 am
oh, the result…
1st season 8-8 or better…
2nd season playoffs…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:01 am
i’ll bet anyone i could cut the payroll in half…
sign a few free agents… (shaub might be a target… couple others)…
draft wisely… (i.e. no reaches… trade down if possible… try to get extra picks in 2, 3, 4 rounds…)
try to lure Gruden back…
trade cable to idaho…
dump the ZBS…
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This makes perfect sense and i would love it if it did happen.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:06 am
21 does not shut down half the field. He shuts down the receiver that he is covering. They still thow on his side of hte field, run to his side of the field also. If we could get a couple of firsts round picks for him or a player a pick we might as well do it.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:07 am
With every big-play CJ gives up, and every week that Routt gives up both a big play and a big penalty, it increases the liklihood of Javier Arenas, CB/KR, being our first pick.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:08 am
He does not cover or follow the best WR unless they come to his side. There for he only covers his side and shuts it down, when they throw his way is when they have a slot WR and then victimize Routt or a LB. Yes he does play the run well.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:10 am
CJ does get some bullcrap calls not called. The WR to his side know how to frustrate him they push off and they get him with quick slants then they double move on him for the TD.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:13 am
2 non calls yesterday to CJ…and what that donkey Randy Cross said was right…knowing that Nnamdi rarely sees the ball thrown to him and teams are going after CJ…he HAS to play aggressive and not let the wr think that he can get away with BS (even though the zebras think otherwise….).
That stupid rookie wr did that to him twice yesterday…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Like I said…
FIRE CABLE!
Can’t get the team to show up for two straight weeks.
Wife Beating Buffoon!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:15 am
r8dr4lfe21: you and every numbskull on this thread who still thinks it’s a personnel issue with this franchise need your collective heads examined. Trade Nnamdi in return for Al’s judgment on a first rounder? Ha! Go to your room, young man.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Ohiofaider:
Listen mijo “son” i said trade for Wilfork and our first rounder back. I never said make a selection as we can trade it again.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Good morning Nation!
What’s the topic of the day?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:20 am
That’s not the problem. Everybody knows what the real problem is. Here in Cleveland, the owner is making the right moves, and it starts with the organizational structure itself.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:22 am
How is it the right move you dont know that. Mike Holmgren 3 superbowl appearences aint sh!t he won 1. Now he gets to run the Browns Good luck with that. I think Bruce Allen to the Skins made more sense.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Parcells made sense, Allen made sense as they are proven to have success running a salary cap. Mike Holmgren is twisted he ditched his team to retire only to come back before the season was over. He is yellow and gave up on his team.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Unfortunately for that….
Cleveland needs a qb…and Garrison is not going to hold up without a line in which they only have Joe Thomas back there…
As for Washington…yes Bruce Allen going there makes sense, but still has an owner by the name of Daniel Snyder…kind of a young Al Davis, IMO!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:25 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Parcells made sense, Allen made sense as they are proven to have success running a salary cap. Mike Holmgren is twisted he ditched his team to retire only to come back before the season was over. He is yellow and gave up on his team.
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How many teams has Parcells “ditched” again?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Also…Holmgren couldn’t do it with Seattle, hence his GM duties being taken away…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:01 am
i’ll bet anyone i could cut the payroll in half…
sign a few free agents… (shaub might be a target… couple others)…
draft wisely… (i.e. no reaches… trade down if possible… try to get extra picks in 2, 3, 4 rounds…)
try to lure Gruden back…
trade cable to idaho…
dump the ZBS…
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Yeah right….. Just like you can’t be trusted to dedicate yourself completely to the job you have now, Why in God’s creation would anyone expect you to do everything that you claim you can without wasting half of every day killing time on a blog somewhere.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:27 am
I like the Browns’ chances with Holmgren over our chances with Al Davis.
Any self-respecting GM would step down after 7 seasons of 10+ losses.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:25 am
How many teams has Parcells “ditched” again?
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I should have known you would catch that lol.
True Parcells has ditched a couple but has had success at every stop.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:28 am
How much longer does Parcells have out there in Miami?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:29 am
WOW…just because you are on a blog it doesn’t mean that you don’t get your work done and aren’t dedicated…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Key word Dakota “CHANCES”
every team has a chance when the year starts.
How different would we have been if not for a blown call week 1. You take momentum from a team and it can be really bad. If we beat the Chargers week 1 i think we would be a different team.
Cleveland has a chance but they also did have a GM and just hired a different 1, we havent had 1 for a while. So there bad moves come with a GM ours come cause we have an owner that just cant let go.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:32 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:29 am
WOW…just because you are on a blog it doesn’t mean that you don’t get your work done and aren’t dedicated…
——————————————————-Some people just cant multitask hwndr so dont trip. Like me i can chew gum and walk others cant so they hate.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Parcells is the man. Anybody who thinks otherwise is an idiot.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:37 am
I think it has been over 10 years since Parcells won a playoff game.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:38 am
r8dr4lfe21,
Sure, it is all chance…but I think Al has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is not capable of running this team anymore, so I’ll take my chances on a new GM if that GM is more than a figurehead GM that Al is simply using to shield himself from further criticism.
The main problem lies in who will be hiring that GM. I don’t trust Al to hire someone decent, so it is a conundrum. I wish Al would bring Madden in as temporary decision maker, allow Madden to have a ton of influence on who becomes the GM, and then let that GM run the show.
Al should only stick his nose into major decisions, just like most owners. Say, if the GM wanted to bring in a troubled player like T.O., Al should have a say, but that should be about it.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Heavens to Betsy….I’m surrounded by complete simpletons….Maybe one of you Einstein Junior GM’s can
explain to me who in the Wide World Of Sports would trade for Asomougha or JaMacandCheese with their huge salaries….when you trade a player his contract goes with him….Thats why you idiots play pretend GM and the real ones in the NFL keep their jobs.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Not trippin’…just amazed!
Parcells haven’t won a playoff game in 10 years? Well, he did clean up Miami and with his hand picked head coach…they did turn it around and made the playoffs…this year, a call or two…maybe in the hunt!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Fire Cable?
O.K. – let’s try this again. . . .for the millionth time.
You’ve got a 3rd string QB in the game (uh, yeah – he’s 3rd string for a reason by the way).
That aside, that 3rd string QB plays well enough to get you into scoring territory numerous times, only to fiock it up over and over (see 4 int’s at crucial times).
Yeah. . . .that’s poor coaching.
Yeah, o.k. – That’s the coaches fault for “not having the team ready to play”.
Whatever.
Come on man.
Give me a freakin’ break.
If you’re gonna bring it, come with some decent analysis.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:43 am
You guys know that had Al Davis had the number 1 overall draft pick in 1998 he would have selected Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning.
Case closed.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Mike Holmgren has very little credibility as a GM.
I don’t understand all the hype.
As a coach, I love the guy.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Parcells is the Larry Brown of football. He goes into bad situations, changes the “culture”, preaches toughness and defense and gets immediate results.
Than the teams level-off after about 3 years, his act runs old and he goes elsewhere. Wash, rinse, repeat.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Ummm….the guy who posted that did post that he must have been halucinating utopia there for a minute…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Dakota
how could you possibly know that?^^^
December 28th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Mike Holmgren’s ability to assemble a coaching staff is legendary.
His draft failures are just as legendary as well.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:47 am
408,
Don’t lie to yourself, you know Al would have picked the strong armed QB 100 times out of 100.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Dakota, at the time, I think anyone would have done that. No one would have known…wait…he had one good college game too! Oops…my bad!
You know what, you are probably right! But no one knew how Peyton was going to turn out! Of course, better, but no one really knew how much!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:49 am
That year, though…he did take a 4th pick on some guy named Woodson…just a thought…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:27 am
I like the Browns’ chances with Holmgren over our chances with Al Davis.
Any self-respecting GM would step down after 7 seasons of 10+ losses.
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What up NATION????
Self respecting GM yes… Ego maniac……..no
December 28th, 2009 at 7:51 am
I wish it was 1998 right now!!!lol
December 28th, 2009 at 7:52 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:49 am
That year, though…he did take a 4th pick on some guy named Woodson…just a thought…
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Lol, gee that was a tough one for Al! Heisman trophy winning CB…if there ever was a can’t miss obvious selection for Al that was it.
I should rephrase…had Al had the #1 pick in 1998 he would have still taken Woodson lol.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:55 am
You have to fully qualify the woodson pick and ask the true oakland raider question, What was his forty time?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Haha! Yeah you’re right…
Who was our qb that year anyway? Donald Hollas and Jeff George?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Are you guys content with Bruce?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Yep, we did have a 3rd string qb, and we passed the ball 45 times.
We passed twice as many times as we ran in the first half when we were still in the game.
That is on the coach.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:00 am
I would give Bruce a chance to compete for the job next season! But…not totally content. He goes down…who’s out there?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Frye sucks. He can came back next year…..as a QB coach.
Bruce, Losman and a rookie (3rd or 4th rounder) should man the post next year.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:02 am
known free agents… possibly others, but not sure…
Cornell Green Tackle O FA
Hiram Eugene Defensive Back D FA
Jon Alston Linebacker D FA
Jon Condo Linebacker D FA
Khalif Barnes Tackle O FA
Kirk Morrison Linebacker D FA
Luke Lawton Running Back O FA
Richard Seymour Defensive Lineman D FA
Ricky Brown Linebacker D FA
Sebastian Janikowski Place Kicker FA
Stanford Routt Defensive Back D FA
Thomas Howard Linebacker D FA
Bruce Gradkowski Quarterback O RFA
Chris Morris Center O RFA
Todd Watkins Wide Receiver O RFA
December 28th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Exactly…back to the draft!
We need to draft or pick up a free agent QB!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:05 am
r8eray Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Are you guys content with Bruce?
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Fuk no! How many times are we going to overreact to a small sample size and designate that person our savior?
Last year it was Chris Johnson and Tom Cable. Now Garbagekowski?
I don’t think so.
We probably will, but it is a mistake.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:06 am
did somebody ask who’s gonna make the big money next year???
Javon Walker Wide Receiver $3,000,000.00
Greg Ellis Defensive Lineman $3,350,000.00
JaMarcus Russell Quarterback $3,500,000.00
Darren McFadden Running Back $3,937,500.00
Shane Lechler Punter $4,000,000.00
Tommy Kelly Defensive Lineman $4,500,000.00
Darrius Heyward-Bey Wide Receiver $5,000,000.00
Gerard Warren Defensive Lineman $5,680,000.00
Michael Huff Defensive Back $5,750,000.00
Nnamdi Asomugha Defensive Back $16,875,000.00
December 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Charles Woodson was the logical pick and I don’t think anyone could have screwed that one up. If you are looking for the fastest 40 time in that draft class, you would drop down to the #21 pick — a WR by the name of Randy Moss.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:08 am
28% of our team is FA, and we have yet to rebuild a quality team… doesnt take 7 years…
December 28th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I’m not saying draft early in the draft.
Maybe in the early 3rd round.
How about free agents..who is available?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:11 am
we need to cut every one of these guys…
we can talk to huff’s agent to see what he wants to stay…
Javon Walker Wide Receiver $3,000,000.00
Tommy Kelly Defensive Lineman $4,500,000.00
Gerard Warren Defensive Lineman $5,680,000.00
Michael Huff Defensive Back $5,750,000.00
December 28th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Oline!
#1 priority should be a dominant Center. Right behind that, RT.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:14 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Charles Woodson was the logical pick and I don’t think anyone could have screwed that one up. If you are looking for the fastest 40 time in that draft class, you would drop down to the #21 pick — a WR by the name of Randy Moss.
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Thats is a classic Mr. Davis move, as you coannot put logical, and picking in the same sentence when it comes to raider draft picks. Also answers the question why we went after hin, Mr. Davis did not erase his draft board….
December 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Mike Huff isn’t going anywhere. He moved to Corner after Routt got tossed and was outstanding!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I would cut DHB, and BRL…
December 28th, 2009 at 8:16 am
# Florida Pete Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:06 am
did somebody ask who’s gonna make the big money next year???
Javon Walker Wide Receiver $3,000,000.00
Greg Ellis Defensive Lineman $3,350,000.00
JaMarcus Russell Quarterback $3,500,000.00
Darren McFadden Running Back $3,937,500.00
Shane Lechler Punter $4,000,000.00
Tommy Kelly Defensive Lineman $4,500,000.00
Darrius Heyward-Bey Wide Receiver $5,000,000.00
Gerard Warren Defensive Lineman $5,680,000.00
Michael Huff Defensive Back $5,750,000.00
Nnamdi Asomugha Defensive Back $16,875,000.00
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Javon – WHO?!! Does he play in the NFL?
Greg Ellis – Keep him
JaMarcus – I’ve been on record since his holdout in 2007 … one of the biggest mistakes we ever made!
D Mac – Unless we’re going to use him more, his salary is not worth carrying
Shane – Pay that man his money!!
Tommy Kelly – I’ve had enough! Jettison his contract!
DHB – We’re stuck with him, like it or not
Gerard Warren – This year’s Terdell Sands
Michael Huff – Keep him
Nnamdi – Depending on what we could get in return, let’s put together a package deal
December 28th, 2009 at 8:16 am
I would love to see us hire a GM in early January, let that GM hire a new coaching staff that has a plan and schemes that are in lock-step with each other, and then see us go after players that fit those schemes.
This piecemeal Al Davis BS has to stop!!!!!!! Hey, hire that 3-4 DC and make him run a 4-3. Hey, trade for that zone coverage CB and make him play man to man! Hey, sign that noodle armed QB to backup our rocket armed qb in this offense where we want the receivers to get down the field!
Madness!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Our DTs are not playing bad enough to get cut, IMO. I mean, they are no Williams brothers, but who is? We just need a much bigger MLB.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Hey Dakota:
I got one word for you, to take away all the Madness:
MADDEN
December 28th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Dak, Good post but i suspect we need more than a GM. I imagine that the way the org is ran we need player personnel dept. Mr. Davis would need to step away from
ALL business decisions. If we hire a GM he would get his D!CK stepped on every day tell Mr. Davis runs him off..
December 28th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
I’m back from the debacle in Cleveland. I snuck my “CUT JALOSER, FIRE CABLE!” sign into the stadium. As soon as I displayed it and stood up, the usher brought security over and they took away my sign. I was pissed. But I proudly wore my Silver and Black as did thousands of other Raider Fans in the crowd. What a disappointing day which made it seem colder and windier than it really was. I’ll tell more as the day goes on but we have to get rid of Cable. He sucks as a Head Coach with that befuddled look on his face as our guys were getting jobbed by the officials. HE IS A F**ken IDIOT!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:20 am
The thing about trading Nnamdi is we would need to spend a #1 to replace him. CJ and Routt are the ONLY other corners on the roster, and Routt is a Free Agent.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:21 am
# jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Our DTs are not playing bad enough to get cut, IMO. I mean, they are no Williams brothers, but who is? We just need a much bigger MLB.
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I agree. If he is available when it comes our time to draft, maybe we can pick up Rolando McClain (Alabama).
December 28th, 2009 at 8:22 am
I’d like to know what makes you guys think Madden would be a good GM?
Last commentator turned GM was Matt Millen, right? How’d that work out?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:22 am
jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Our DTs are not playing bad enough to get cut, IMO. I mean, they are no Williams brothers, but who is? We just need a much bigger MLB.
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I still think we need a NT to compliment our three tech DTs Warren and Kelly. I wouldn’t mind Kelly and Warren if they were rotating next to a good run-stuffing NT (at a reduced price of course)…actually, I think they would flourish going after the QB.
And add a run-stopping MLB to that mix with Seymour at DE and now we are talking!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Happy Holidays..hope you all turned your Raider knowledge into some $$ with yesterday’s hammer lock of the week…easy picking, easy money if you follow the Raiders like everyone here.. Seriously how could anyone be suprised??? Now this Sunday is a completely different matter.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Exla:
You rock and does us all proud, man! They may have beaten our sorry asses, but I would much rather be a Raider than a Brownie!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Dakota,
You would think there would be more fat guys, I mean NTs around that could do that. I mean, just go down to the local Gold’s gym and find the 6′1 320lb guy who leg presses 800 lbs, lol!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:26 am
# jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:22 am
I’d like to know what makes you guys think Madden would be a good GM?
Last commentator turned GM was Matt Millen, right? How’d that work out?
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I’m not saying that Madden should be GM … he should be the new “czar” … he should be the one to appoint a new GM. I only bring up Madden’s name because he is really the only hope we have of wresting control of the team away from ‘ol Skeletor!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Here is a bet, the over/under on how many raiders get hurt trying to stop ravens playoff run?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:28 am
6′1″ is to short for dakota, he calls guys like that “midgets”…
December 28th, 2009 at 8:28 am
# jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Dakota,
You would think there would be more fat guys, I mean NTs around that could do that. I mean, just go down to the local Gold’s gym and find the 6′1 320lb guy who leg presses 800 lbs, lol!
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Hey, wait a second …
that’s JaMarcus!!
(oh right, Jamarcus never goes to the gym!!)
December 28th, 2009 at 8:28 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Hey Dakota:
I got one word for you, to take away all the Madness:
MADDEN
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Madden the person or Madden the game? lol
I would love for Madden to consult with Al in hiring a new GM. I think he is highly respected and has many contacts throughout the NFL and he might fish out a great GM candidate, but I wouldn’t want Madden running the show. He is too old and he has zero experience in the salary cap/ free agency era to take over the actual day to day operations.
I think Madden calling teams and GMs on behalf of the Raiders would accomplish more in a search for a bright, young GM that could charge this team back into prominence, than would a call from Al or Herrera.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
And can we get a real DB coach? CJ should NOT press his man on every play. His technique is not as good as he thinks it is. Mohammed Massaqui ????? Geeze!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:30 am
# Thec07 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Here is a bet, the over/under on how many raiders get hurt trying to stop ravens playoff run?
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At least five (3 on missed tackles, where the guys fall and injure a shoulder and/or arm; and 2 more spraining ankles as they run away from the action like little girls!)
December 28th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Exla,
GREAT JOB MAN!!!!!! I wish I could have seen it!!!!
“CUT JALOSER, FIRE CABLE!”
I LOVE IT!!!!!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Dakota is right. Tom Cable should be dismissed. He does not use the talent wisely and his game day strategy is questionable. For example, he insists on underutilizing guys like Bush and to a lesser extent DMAC, in favor of Fargas. Fargas has no production.
Also, Cable insists on dying with the passing game when the passing game is not ready. 45 passes for Frye when Bush was averaging 5.6 per carry AND the Raiders were only down 8 points. 1 carry in the 2nd half for Bush…B.S
Trading Nnamdi would be a mistake. Davis would screw up the picks and we would have yet ANOTHER hole that we would try to overdraft to fill for the next 10 years
JHill, we need a Nose Tackle! It starts up front and as Dakota pointed out…we have a bunch of 3-techs. Sure, a run-stopping MLB would help a lot, but so would a lane clogging lineman. Inside out….not outside in.
Summary:
1. Fire Tom Cable. He doesn’t get the team prepared, misuses talent and is a terrible game day manager
2. Draft NT, OT, MLB and nothing else
3. Start Michael Bush with 20 carries per game and let DMAC get about 10 carries with lots of time in the slot.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:32 am
the over/under i say over 5.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Dakota:
Look at Post 273 … I think we’re on the same page.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Riddle me this, how come guys on this blog can make better decisions than the guys in the raider org????
raiders org = banking system
December 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
“CUT JALOSER, FIRE CABLE”
That sounds like a good New Year’s Resolution for the entire Raider Nation!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
We could USE a NT, but we NEED a bad arse MLB!
Our defense is much better against the run this year. We tend to give up 3 or 4 big plays a game, but overall, we are MUCH better down in and down out.
Example – 3rd and 18 or so for the Brownies right before the half yesterday, and Morrison whiffs on an OBVIOUS running play. You knew it, the announcers called it, and Kirk whiffed, lol. Seen it too many times. NT does nothing for that play. THAT miss cost us 7 pts!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Logical and sane decisions, not doing magic tricks, and pulling rabbits out of the hat…
December 28th, 2009 at 8:36 am
We are NOT firing the coach AND cutting the QB. One will be the reason the other one is gone.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:37 am
The fat cats in corporate bank America made their money at the expense of everybody else; they didn’t care how their decisions impacted their customers … so Raider fans – how do we feel about our “bank”?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:37 am
jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:36 am
We are NOT firing the coach AND cutting the QB. One will be the reason the other one is gone.
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Although both need to be fired, comment very logical….
December 28th, 2009 at 8:37 am
1st thing to do is get rid of Cable. He is not an NFL head coach & a horrible play caller. Also can’t control his team. Next dump JR, Walker, Green, Morrison, Johnson, Frye, Eugene, Routt, Kelly & Fargas. Make Bush the starter. Get a real MLB and CB to compliment Nnamdi. Draft OL & DL. I know it will never happen, but if I were Al I would give Gruden whatever he wanted to come back.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Thec07 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:28 am
6′1″ is to short for dakota, he calls guys like that “midgets”…
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True. I would like to see a Haloti Ngata 6′4″ 345 lb NT, or a Ted Washington 6′5 360 lb NT, or a 6′4 350lb Shaun Rogers, or a 6′3″ 348 lb Jamal Williams.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:39 am
# jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:36 am
We are NOT firing the coach AND cutting the QB. One will be the reason the other one is gone.
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If you ask me, I think they both did it to themselves. We just need to formally fire Cable and ceremoniously roll the JaCarcass out the door!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:40 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Dakota:
Look at Post 273 … I think we’re on the same page.
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Right on brother!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:41 am
At the end of the day, I think our roster has more potential than any of the other scrub teams out there. Bush, McFadden, Murphy, Schillens, Miller, Henderson, Gallery, and MAYBE 2 QB prospects in Grads and Russell. Seymour, Ellis, Nnamdi, Branch, Huff, Shaugnessy, Howard, Bryant, Kelly, and Scott on defense.
I think a coach is going to look at this roster and our high draft picks, and want the job. I really think we are going to get a decent coach this time around. Harbaugh, Cowher, or Gruden will coach this team next year, with eh hmmm, Al as the GM.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Maybe we can put Gorilla Rilla in at MLB!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
# jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:41 am
At the end of the day, I think our roster has more potential than any of the other scrub teams out there. Bush, McFadden, Murphy, Schillens, Miller, Henderson, Gallery, and MAYBE 2 QB prospects in Grads and Russell. Seymour, Ellis, Nnamdi, Branch, Huff, Shaugnessy, Howard, Bryant, Kelly, and Scott on defense.
I think a coach is going to look at this roster and our high draft picks, and want the job. I really think we are going to get a decent coach this time around. Harbaugh, Cowher, or Gruden will coach this team next year, with eh hmmm, Al as the GM.
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You lost me when you mentioned the name “Russell”
December 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
The draft is very simple…. We have holes every where, so we need to take the best player avail that fills one of those holes. You could coin flip between OT/NT/MLB….
December 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
I agree with Jhill, that getting a better MLB should have priority over finding the right NT. But I think either would be a huge step in the right direction.
Take the best T, DT/NT, and MLB availible in the draft. I don’t care which gets fixed first, just get the best guy.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Ok,
So if you think Russell was such an issue for 8 games, why fire Cable?
If the Head Coach and Play Caller are not NFL caliber, the Oline is borderline worst in the league, starting WR should not have been drafted, why get rid of the QB?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Maybe we can put Gorilla Rilla in at MLB!
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ROFLMAO
December 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am
As much as we’d like, nothing is going to change…
Fire Cable? That’s if you want Fassel as the HC…or Jim Zorn or maybe Mike Martz (oustide shot), as our last 2-3 coaching searches have proved no one is lining up to come to this toxic situation.
Hope for a good draft? Not until Al stops treating every round like the 6th…meaning wasting picks on players that are gems in the rough (he does find some quailty in the late rounds) = size/speed combos, but the Mike Mitchell, Jerry Porter, Teyo Johnsons in Rd. #2 have to stop.
We all know when this is finally going to turn around…at least the word is Mark will not be so hand’s on.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:48 am
You lost me when you mentioned the name “Russell”
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I understand what you are saying Tbone. What were your thoughts on Russell after the Tampa game last year, and going into the season?
8 bad games this year with a non qualified coach and you are ready to give up on the investment?
I’d like to see a quality coach cut the guy so we know it wasn’t due to a guy who likes to call 4 verticals from our own end zone when he ADMITS he knows better.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:50 am
I hate the stinkin Whiners, but you look at the differnce between Patrick Willis & Kirk Morrison. Willis attacked the ball carrier & Morrison hopes he can find him & keep him from scoring. Whoever thought this guy could play MLB? Makes you dream of the days of Greg Biekert & Matt Millen.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:50 am
# jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Ok,
So if you think Russell was such an issue for 8 games, why fire Cable?
If the Head Coach and Play Caller are not NFL caliber, the Oline is borderline worst in the league, starting WR should not have been drafted, why get rid of the QB?
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The Head Coach is the leader of your team and chief decision-maker (and in a lot of cases) the play caller. He has proven to be ineffective and aloof; we can do better.
JaMarcus’s problem goes back beyond the first 8 games of the season. Also, I saw him up-close throughout the Giants game and it left an indelible image that I will not be able to shake. Let me put it to you this way — I would rather have Jim Sorgi as our QB than JaJellyRoll!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Everybody ready for Javier Arenas with the 7th pick in the draft?
As CJ gets worse, JLH’s roster spot should be in questions, and Routt should hit the street, CB/KR becomes a big need.
Or at least in Al’s glazed-over eyes.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:51 am
The next time Darren McFadden makes someone miss, it will be the first.
No wiggle.
Doesn’t run to daylight.
Too bad we wasted the pick on DHB, b/c DMAC is a better wideout today and should be moved there permanently unless we can find someone to give us a #1 in ‘11 to recoup Seymour deal (we can dream right?).
December 28th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Tbone,
I just think I believe Al is not going to cut Russell. After the ridiculous limb he went out on declaring that Russell is going to be great, 8 games is not going to end it. I’ll believe he will cut Russell when I actually see it! With that in mind, I’m just going to pull for us to draft heavy Oline so he can have 3 or 4 seconds to find someone.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:53 am
On the 2 yrd line, 1st and goal. 5 minutes left The brownie next to me says “it’s a game again if you score!” Incomplete pass. He looks at me and elbows me and says “I would have run it in. what were they thinking?” I yelled “IDOIT CABLE IS CALLING THE PLAYS!” “Give it to Bush!” No, they pass again. Incomplete. I’m going “F’n nuts. 4 and out passing from the 2. That alone is reason to fire Cable! Can’t get 2 yards. WTF.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Wonder if anyone out there can explain something? Yesterday was a perfect time to get JR some playing time without anything to lose. Frye was stinkin up the place & if they planned on keeping JR why not get him in there? No way he could have done any worse than Frye. You pay him all that money to watch?
December 28th, 2009 at 8:54 am
I know I shouldn’t have done this, but when I went back over the list of the first rounders in the 2007 draft, I was literally sick. Look at all the names and just picture how we could have ended up with any one of them on our team (even Gaines Adams!)
December 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
I agree with Jhill, that getting a better MLB should have priority over finding the right NT. But I think either would be a huge step in the right direction.
Take the best T, DT/NT, and MLB availible in the draft. I don’t care which gets fixed first, just get the best guy
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YOur draft strategy makes sense. Take the highest rated player available for NT/T/MLB when the Raiders draft 6,7 or 8…somewhere…no excuse not to get a really good player there.
Of course, we will all be disappointed when the Goodell says…with the 6th pick the Oakland Raiders select…Darious McCorner DB from Southern State University….then cut over to mel kiper talking about his 40x
December 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Vegas …
We’re going to move Huff to Corner next year. Did you see him step in for Routt yesterday?
Branch and Mitchell will be our Safties next year with Nnamdi and Huff outside. CJ will be our Nickel corner.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:57 am
# wishbone Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Wonder if anyone out there can explain something? Yesterday was a perfect time to get JR some playing time without anything to lose. Frye was stinkin up the place & if they planned on keeping JR why not get him in there? No way he could have done any worse than Frye. You pay him all that money to watch?
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The “perfect” time to bring in Russell would be with 2:00 left in the game and a 35-point lead.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:58 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:53 am
On the 2 yrd line, 1st and goal. 5 minutes left The brownie next to me says “it’s a game again if you score!” Incomplete pass. He looks at me and elbows me and says “I would have run it in. what were they thinking?” I yelled “IDOIT CABLE IS CALLING THE PLAYS!” “Give it to Bush!” No, they pass again. Incomplete. I’m going “F’n nuts. 4 and out passing from the 2. That alone is reason to fire Cable! Can’t get 2 yards. WTF.
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The play I was expecting was his famous fake FB dive pitch to McFadden. McFadden would walk in from the 2.
Didn’t he call the same fade to Murphy back to back? LMFAO!
Cable is just not taking advantage of his opportunity.
December 28th, 2009 at 8:59 am
I can see Huff and Nnamdi at the corners, with Mithcell and Branch at the safeties … that seems like an upgrade.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:01 am
I was watching the game yesterday with a Cowboys fan and when we got down to a 1st-and-goal at the two, he said, “I’ll bet you $10 that they just throw, throw, throw and don’t even score”. I took his bet and lost … and so did we!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:01 am
hey did u guys know gerrard warren was picked before seymour in their draft and now they play for the same team seymour is still better and i think warren is getting paid more
December 28th, 2009 at 9:02 am
if everything holds in week seventeen as regards the current NFL playoff scenario the donks are eliminated. yay! other than that, check this out
NFC – week 17 – Packers at Cardinals
– Eagles at Cowboys
first round of playoffs
– Packers at Cardinals
– Cowboys at Eagles
AFC – week 17 – Bengals at Jets
first round of playoffs
– Jets at Bengals
– (Ravens at Patriots – a rematch yes, but not a week 17 rematch)
anyone want to put on their Vulcan thinking cap and tell me the odds that after 512 NFL regular season games three wild-card playoff games would be rematches of the regular season finales?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:02 am
I have NEVER seen a 61 yard field goal in Cleavland
December 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Like a lot of games this year, I don’t think the QB was really the problem yesterday. It was just like Cable says, we are ALMOST there, but not quite there YET!
Morrison missing that tackle right before the half on 3rd and 18 or so. HUGE play!
Defensive penalties – HUGE!
Bush getting 1 carry in an 8 pt game.
No running plays from the 2 yd line.
CJ getting beat repeatedly by Mohammed Massaqui ????
At one point, Frye completed like 10 passes in a row.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
# M Lonetree Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:02 am
if everything holds in week seventeen as regards the current NFL playoff scenario the donks are eliminated. yay! other than that, check this out
NFC – week 17 – Packers at Cardinals
– Eagles at Cowboys
first round of playoffs
– Packers at Cardinals
– Cowboys at Eagles
AFC – week 17 – Bengals at Jets
first round of playoffs
– Jets at Bengals
– (Ravens at Patriots – a rematch yes, but not a week 17 rematch)
anyone want to put on their Vulcan thinking cap and tell me the odds that after 512 NFL regular season games three wild-card playoff games would be rematches of the regular season finales?
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About the same odds as Al making a solid, sane pick in the first round of 2010 draft!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:07 am
jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Mike Huff isn’t going anywhere. He moved to Corner after Routt got tossed and was outstanding!
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you’re saying Huff is worth 5.7M next year???
it’s not about quality…
it’s about value…
anybody can buy a team…
well, except Al Davis…
December 28th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Another change of position?? Yikes!! He just started playing well at FS.
did see him make a nice tackle on a 3rd down crossing pattern.
Mitchell isn’t a safety or corner, IMO. When he is on the field, he is blitzing or playing in the box. The Raiders must fear having him in space.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Huff played corner and safety in college, and he played man to man his first to years at SS with us. Huff’s improvement this year was due to his dedication to film study. He has the spped, skills, and size to be a damn good corner. And most importantly, he’s turned into a film room junkie. Ryan planned to use him a Rover in the same manner he used Woodson, so I don’t see the issue.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am
And yes, Pete, I do.
Not my $.
I have Huff, Nnamdi, and Branch as 3 guys I’d like to see end their careers as Raiders. And Mitchell is already one of my favorite rookies along with Shaugnessy and Murphy.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:17 am
# jhill Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am
And yes, Pete, I do.
Not my $.
I have Huff, Nnamdi, and Branch as 3 guys I’d like to see end their careers as Raiders. And Mitchell is already one of my favorite rookies along with Shaugnessy and Murphy.
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You mean DHB is not your favorite rookie? I can’t imagine!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 8:28 am
I think Madden calling teams and GMs on behalf of the Raiders would accomplish more in a search for a bright, young GM that could charge this team back into prominence, than would a call from Al or Herrera.
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are you kidding???
“I”!… wouldn’t take a call from herrera…
December 28th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Vegas,
You’re right about Mitchell, but I think they are using him just as they should. Keep moving him around, blitzing him, and let him patrol the area around 10 yds or so behind the LOS. That short zone that keeps everythig in front of him and has him playing downhill.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
pete why not you would get paid for something that seems fun and when you do bad it wouldnt be your fault because they knew you didnt know what were doing in the 1st place
December 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
If Mitchell turns into a film junkie like Huff, our defensive backfield could really flourish next year!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:25 am
I like Mitchell, but he is going to have to be a nickle blitzing, hybrid type, at least early in his career.
He does play downhill, and is a beast on ST. There is a reason he didn’t even make 3rd team all conference last year though, and the Raiders are doing a good job of putting him in situations that he does well in.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:25 am
# 16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
pete why not you would get paid for something that seems fun and when you do bad it wouldnt be your fault because they knew you didnt know what were doing in the 1st place
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What the hell are you talking about? Are you seven years old?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:29 am
We still would have lost due to Cable, but the refs were missing a lot of Browns contact and movement and calling the penalties on us. Why Cable did not get involved with the refs when the tempers were flaring was beyond me. FIRE CABLE. Cut Jaloser while you’re at it because it’s still his fault for just being on the Raiders!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:35 am
We really missed Gallery up front. They came through the middle of the line like a bull charging a Matador. Where was the penalty for taunting after a Browns sack? They gave an unsportsmanlike on Schilens for dropping the ball on a Browns leg for 15 yrds.
I quess it is wait until next year again.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:37 am
It was Miller, and so incredibly BOGUS!!!!!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Exla:
From what I saw, the refs were way overzealous yesterday! Now, I’m not blaming our loss on the zebras, because (in the end) you still have to get the ball into the end zone — but I can see where the conspiracy theorists could make their case!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I am correcting myself. It was wait until next year after the 1st game.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Are you guys happy with a coach that doesn’t get in the refs faces when teams are allowed to taunt, take head shots, hold, and do everything else under the sun to our team with no flags while we are flagged for every little thing?
Are you happy with a coach that calls no plays for Bush on the goal line and all but abandons him in the second half?
The same coach that doesn’t call a timeout while his defense is having an epic meltdown to end the second half?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am
i was a little disappointed that eugene played almost the whole game, with mm getting very little reps on d outside of the red zone. why? eugene did play an ok game. not bad. nothing great either. MM has been playing well, so why demote him? i think huff will be back. they will use the franchise and transition tags for seymour and huff. so if they transition huff, they will at least get a pick or 2. i like the way huff has played this year. missed a tackle yesterday, but who on this team doesn’t. morrison sux. simple as that. would like to see them try howard as mlb. he is a better tackler and makes more tackles for loss than kirk. props to matt s. kid is gonna be a freaking beast.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Another top-10 draft pick. Another guy with impressive “measurables”
December 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
The same coach that doesn’t call a timeout while his defense is having an epic meltdown to end the second half?
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I meant *first* half or second quarter.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am
also, how many times did frye hang miller out to take a good hit? at least 4x. miller should just sit out the rest of season. he is our best pass catcher and we dont need him 2 become a vegetable. not enough murphy yesterday. dont mind them sending dmac out wide, but eraser head higgins should alternate with murphy. dude is shook up. see him looking at his hands when he dropped a pass? also, there’s some comments about GRUSS returning kicks. granted an oversized rb/fb should not be back there, the blocking is horrible. dude fielded a kick at the 2 and b4 he got to the 10 he had 3 guys coming free right at him. the st blocking sux. no one will return successfully with that blocking, or lack thereof
December 28th, 2009 at 9:56 am
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:24 am
pete why not you would get paid for something that seems fun and when you do bad it wouldnt be your fault because they knew you didnt know what were doing in the 1st place
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i even used my decoder ring on this and could not decipher what you are saying…
the best i can come up with is that you took the words to 3 different sentences and scrambled them…
December 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Garry Russel is too fat to return kicks.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am
I agree, sit Miller. JLH has been playing scared ever since he got his bell rung. I thought he was coming out of it but that dropped pass showed he still has issues. Hopefully, he gets his head right.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
16yearsold16yearfan must be one of Beeecham’s aliases. That post reads at about his level of retardation.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
ur right albert about gruss. im just saying, the blocking is awful. no one would succeed with that blockin. I GOT A ? 4 U GUYS. HONESTLY NOW, WHEN OUR SCHEDULE WAS RELEASED, AND WE HAD NFC EAST, PITTS BALT AND SD 2X HOW MANY WINS DID U THINK THIS TEAM WOULD HAVE. I FIGURED 6 AT BEST. WE HAVE 5. AND SHOULD’VE BEATEN KC AND SD. JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY WINS U GUYS THOUGHT WE’D HAVE WITH A PRETTY TOUGH SCHEDULE
December 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
my bad i meant al hires you and you get paid
if al lets you do your job and the team still sucks but you dont get blamed because it was als fault for hiring some one who didnt know what he was doing
or it was als fault because you were never in charge and were just a token
and if you do get to do your job you would have fun because you are always putting up your mock drafts
December 28th, 2009 at 10:06 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I am correcting myself. It was wait until next year after the 1st game.
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I didn’t give up until midway through the Broncos game (week 3). Losing to McDaniel was not the way to start out the year (although I did feel a little better after winning at Invesco last week!)
December 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am
new englandraider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:53 am
also, how many times did frye hang miller out to take a good hit? at least 4x. miller should just sit out the rest of season. he is our best pass catcher and we dont need him 2 become a vegetable.
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I was thinking the same thing as i watched the game. Didnt help that tony stewart got thrown out of the game.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:09 am
do u guys think a morrison/ thomas howard position switch will help. howard is obviously a lot faster. doesnt whiff on as many tackles and makes more plays in backfield for loss than morrison. when morrison is in the right spot he is ok. not great but seviceable. he is constantly out of position. also, why didnt matt s play in the 2nd half? he played but only a little. was he punished for his 1st half sack and at least two or 3 tackles for loss on running plays. doesnt make much sense. anyone hear of a possible injury to him that would limit his reps in the 2nd half?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:10 am
# 16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
my bad i meant al hires you and you get paid
if al lets you do your job and the team still sucks but you dont get blamed because it was als fault for hiring some one who didnt know what he was doing
or it was als fault because you were never in charge and were just a token
and if you do get to do your job you would have fun because you are always putting up your mock drafts
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I was right the first time … he IS seven years old!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Funny, I don’t see any mention of Charlie Fryes 3 interceptions on this blog this morning. I wonder why? the Red hair?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
my bad i meant al hires you and you get paid
if al lets you do your job and the team still sucks but you dont get blamed because it was als fault for hiring some one who didnt know what he was doing
or it was als fault because you were never in charge and were just a token
and if you do get to do your job you would have fun because you are always putting up your mock drafts
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Even if you are only 16 years old, your grammar is just pathetic. I hope the American education system isn’t this poor. Otherwise, we are looking at a bleak future. Let me ask you, what is “als”? I have never heard of that word. Perhaps English is your second language?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Anyone notice how frye likes to leave the pocket a little too much? i understand that we dont have the greatest o-line, but it just seems that if he would step up into the pocket rather than falling back or rolling out he could buy himself some more time. This was more apparent in the denver game before he got busted but i saw it yesterday as well.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:12 am
raider d, where is myers. dude had that good game against cinci and never sees the field after that. im tired of the turnover at head coach and think we need stability, but when bush is running well we sit him. mitchell has been playing very well, we sit him. matt s playing his azz off in 1st half, barely gets on field in 2nd half. wtf are these guys thinking?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am
tbone whatever it was a joke you didnt understand so i re explained it which kind of takes the joke part out of it you didnt understand it so shut up
December 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am
KoolKell, are you insinuating that Frye is not under the same scrutiny as Russel because he is white? If so, shame on you.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:15 am
# new englandraider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:01 am
ur right albert about gruss. im just saying, the blocking is awful. no one would succeed with that blockin. I GOT A ? 4 U GUYS. HONESTLY NOW, WHEN OUR SCHEDULE WAS RELEASED, AND WE HAD NFC EAST, PITTS BALT AND SD 2X HOW MANY WINS DID U THINK THIS TEAM WOULD HAVE. I FIGURED 6 AT BEST. WE HAVE 5. AND SHOULD’VE BEATEN KC AND SD. JUST CURIOUS AS TO HOW MANY WINS U GUYS THOUGHT WE’D HAVE WITH A PRETTY TOUGH SCHEDULE
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We stand at 5-10 right now; truly, I thought we would be at 8-7 (the wins I had were: one against San Diego, two against K.C, one against the Horsies, then wins against the Jets, Redskins, Browns and Texans. I certainly wasn’t counting on wins against Philly, Cincy or Pittsburgh!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I don’t see any mention of Charlie Fryes 3 interceptions on this blog this morning, I wonder why?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Meyers is out with a concussion.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:17 am
new englandraider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:12 am
raider d, where is myers. dude had that good game against cinci and never sees the field after that. im tired of the turnover at head coach and think we need stability, but when bush is running well we sit him. mitchell has been playing very well, we sit him. matt s playing his azz off in 1st half, barely gets on field in 2nd half. wtf are these guys thinking?
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Yea im with you man. apparently on this raiders team, playing well does not guarantee you a spot on the field.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:19 am
I had the Raiders 7-9, 8-8 if they were lucky. Oh well, another ten loss season means another great draft pick. Soon this team will be stacked with enough talent to win three or four Super Bowls.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Very little mention at all of the QB’s play yesterday……..
December 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
# 16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:13 am
tbone whatever it was a joke you didnt understand so i re explained it which kind of takes the joke part out of it you didnt understand it so shut up
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A most intelligent (and highly articulate) comeback — thoroughly scintillating and full of jocundity … btw, a dictionary can help you look up those words and find their meaning. I would suggest you spend more time studying and less time pretending to be a grownup!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:20 am
frye was decent. i would rather have seen russ start that game, and if he played poorly, u go with frye or grads at him vs balt. at times he looked good and at times not so good. lets not 4get that the passing game is predicated on timing. both receivers and qb must be in sync. too much cahging qb’s changing receivers. and constantly different people on oline. guys are all over the place on the line
December 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
# KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I don’t see any mention of Charlie Fryes 3 interceptions on this blog this morning, I wonder why?
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Right now, Frye is not really relevant to the discussion. I don’t think anybody views him as anything more than a turn-to option until the season is over (which, thank God, it almost is!)
December 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
damn where is spellcheck when u need him. im making too many spelling errors. ah well i think i’ll blame it on the hippie lettuce
December 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
raidertbone,
Leave the kid alone, apparently someone told him that typing exactly how he talks is ok. Must be our public schools! lol.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Did you notice the blitzes from all directions from Rob Ryan?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:25 am
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Did you notice the blitzes from all directions from Rob Ryan?
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Seriously! where in the hell was that when he was our dc?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Charlie Frye stink too. He is no the answer, and is not expected to be. The best QB on this team is J.P. Losman. We will all realize that next season when he takes the Raiders to the playoffs under new coach Barry Switzer.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
vegas raider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:25 am
I like Mitchell, but he is going to have to be a nickle blitzing, hybrid type, at least early in his career.
He does play downhill, and is a beast on ST. There is a reason he didn’t even make 3rd team all conference last year though, and the Raiders are doing a good job of putting him in situations that he does well in.
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Draft strategy run amok….drafting situational players with 2nd round picks.
Truth is, they are going to have to “force” Mitchell into the lineup. Meaning Huff is the odd-man out.
Huff better learn cornerback
December 28th, 2009 at 10:28 am
lets not 4get the turn around cinci made in one off season. getting healthy helps. we were without out best wr and best olineman 4 most of the year. i still thing russell is garbage, but i also think he would’ve had more success with a better oline and better play at receiver. 2 rookies starting was a foolish idea. it does have its pluses too tho. murphy has certainly gotten better with his hands. he had a lot of drops early, so playing him might have been an ok idea. but dhb? dude is awful. lets hope he can put this year behind him and get better. u guys got to admit, like usual, we have talent at certain positions. i think with chaz murphy, and miller we have 3 legitimate weapons in passing game next yr
December 28th, 2009 at 10:29 am
# RaiderD Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
raidertbone,
Leave the kid alone, apparently someone told him that typing exactly how he talks is ok. Must be our public schools! lol.
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RaiderD:
uR rite, ov cours i shoudnt xepect much fum today’s yoof. Wait a minute … he might be able to understand me now, but I’m sounding a lot like JaMarcus — oh, WTF!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am
At least he is only 16, Beeecham is a man, he’s 40, and sounds just as Gumpish as this guy.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am
snb i dunno about having to force mm into the game. i like when we go with 3 safeties out there. i really do. dont know y eugene played over mm yesterday, but he played ok. huff will either be re-signed or they will use the transition tag on him to get a pick. its taken huff a few yrs to get it 2gether, but im sure u remember how poor aso played his 1st 2 or 3 yrs. in that draft, i remember mel kiper saying huff was the surest and safest pick in the draft. he also said wtf are the raiders doing when they drafted aso. i especially like the 3 safety looks on 3rd downs. u can blitz mm or a corner or lb and still be ok in coverage. since we’ve started playing 3 safeties at times u notice we dont see as much lb’s covering other teams best receiver
December 28th, 2009 at 10:34 am
# Raiders Grief Counselor Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:32 am
At least he is only 16, Beeecham is a man, he’s 40, and sounds just as Gumpish as this guy.
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I can hear it now …. RUN, DARRIUS, RUN!!!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Without solid linebacker play and a serious push from the defensive front, it doesn’t really matter WHO we have playing back … given ample time, most NFL QBs could pick apart a porous defense.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:39 am
oh and big ups to janikowski and lechler. they both should be probowlers. jano has missed only 1 fg that should have been made. 45 yrds. all other misses have been from 55 yrd out or more. 61 yrds. i know elam tied nfl record with a 63 yarder in denver. but the ball travels better. the 63 yarder b4 elam was made in the day b4 the kicking balls. at a time when kickers were know to put helium in the ball. 61 yrds in the cold very impressive seabass. very impressive
December 28th, 2009 at 10:41 am
No Russell to hate on, so no mention of QB play, funny that.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Anyone going to mention anything about locking josh cribbs down? it seems like our ST likes the challenge of a big time returner, like hester and cribbs.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:41 am
anyone think howard would make a better mlb than morrison? or am i being stupid? he certainly is in the backfield making plays whereas morrison is ALWAYS out of position. most of his tackles are when he catches a guy from behind. he takes poor angles at the ball carrier. remember stu schweigert used to do the same thing. horrible angles
December 28th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I just don’t like the idea of the HC calling the plays. The game plan, and plays to be run should be installed during the week, and it shouldn’t be too hard for the OC to call the plays. Why this team doesn’t have an Offensive Coordinator is beyond me.
Can anyone tell me what Cable’s plan is? Like Nnamdi asks, what is our identity? Seriously!?!?!?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:44 am
hey kell stfu already. frye sux and so does russell. id say u suck to, but i think ur more of a swallower. granted there are people on here who make racist comments, but what do u want us to say. damn that frye and his 3 picks. dude had 300 plus yrds. 1st time for a raider since culpepper. am i a racist white boy for saying frye sux. i think not. happy kell? frye sux
December 28th, 2009 at 10:45 am
NE,
I don’t know about Howard at MLB. I think he’s right where he needs to be at OLB with Scott. Those positions are being played pretty well.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:47 am
granted there are people on here who make racist comments, but what do u want us to say.
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Yeah, they’re never called on it either. Except by me, then I’m the racist.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:48 am
albet, i think frye played ok. 2 out of 3 picks were absolutely on him. 1st and 3rd. 1st one he threw right to the guy. the 3rd one he was late throwing the ball. chaz was wide azz open, and frye threw to late. u can also make the arguement that the 2nd one was 50-50, as he was a tiny bit late throwing to eraser head. eraser head didnt help him out on that one. also there would’ve been a 4th pick had the defender got 2 feet down
December 28th, 2009 at 10:51 am
kell i didnt call u a racist, u made the statement that we’re not getting on frye cuz he is wht. stupid thing to say. we all want our players to do well. whether they’re black, white, hispanic, hawaiian, or a fuggin smurf. i’ll say it again, im a white man. i grew up in the projects, ive got friends of all kinds of backrounds. people r people dude and if the qb sux. say he sux. if he plays well say he played well. whether the dude is white or not should NEVER to an issue
December 28th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Nick Miller on the roster all year.
No backup CB signed after Bowie went on IR.
Lawton, the only FB on the roster.
No backup OGs on the roster AT ALL.
Not one KR on the roster.
A few of the CRAZY personell moves this season.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
New Englandraider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:51 am
kell i didnt call u a racist, u made the statement that we’re not getting on frye cuz he is wht. stupid thing to say. we all want our players to do well. whether they’re black, white, hispanic, hawaiian, or a fuggin smurf. i’ll say it again, im a white man. i grew up in the projects, ive got friends of all kinds of backrounds. people r people dude and if the qb sux. say he sux. if he plays well say he played well. whether the dude is white or not should NEVER to an issue
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Agreed. My comments weren’t directed at you, or people like you. But the KKK wing of the Nation.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:56 am
in fact i’ll do u one better kell, i think frye has made some pretty stupid throws in his 1st 2 starts. 1st pick in denver game, he just threw a pop fly. yep stupid. but he had his moments too. i’d rather have seen jruss start. only because i think its more probable that he will be here next yr and not frye. id like to see either grads or jruss with a healthy and better oline. and a healthy chaz and murphy starting at wr
December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Frye passed for over 325 yards. he completed over 57 percent of his passes
0 TD’s and 4 INT’s in his last 2 starts, yet somehow seems to still be better than JaWalrus
odd, isn’t it ???
December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Frye is white; JRuss is black. Neither one is a starting NFL quarterback. Racism doesn’t factor in when the talent is not there — they both suck! There – that should even the playing field, a little!
December 28th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Next season’s QBs going into training camp. Russel, Losman, Grossman, and Gradkowski.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Work ethic is one thing, talent is another. The guy with no talent winds up coaching.
The Talented guy can learn work ethic.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am
anyone know which 2 divisions we’ll be playing next season? afc south and nfc west perhaps?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:01 am
# new englandraider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am
anyone know which 2 divisions we’ll be playing next season? afc south and nfc west perhaps?
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Everything is conjecture right now. We won’t know the new projected schedule rotation for another couple of months. Until it is released by the NFL, don’t believe anything you may hear … everybody’s just guessing!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:04 am
i dont think we can accurately asses any of our qb’s. i think grads played the best. obviously. but he did play with our #1 receiver and our preseason projected starting oline. jruss had to play with patchwork oline and for the most part 2 rookie wideouts. frye has had to play now with patchwork oline. our line has been horrible at times this year. outside of gallery we have 1 legitimate starter on oline. mario. hopefully we can re-sign grads, and we’ll see what the little flea can do with a healthy oline a seasones murphy and a healthy chaz. im not ready to give up on jruss but i do think grads gives us a better chance to win. we shall see
December 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
you can’t teach heart, passion or desire.
Russell is a failure because he chooses to be one…
He’ll be great when/if he decides to put the work in. It probably won’t happen because he already got paid and thats pretty high on his priority list. You could tell when the reporter asked him if he’d restructure his deal in the offseason a few weeks ago.
Plus Al Davis doesn’t care about work ethic or conditioning. He publicly stated so during this past offseason. Therefore he won’t be forcing Russell to do anything. He’ll have to take it upon himself.
coaches hold no authority in Oakland, so cross them off the list of Russell motivaters as well.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:06 am
raider tbone, there is part of the sheduling that is set. got to go back and look at the other divisions we’ve played in recent years, but there is a formula. we will either play nfc north, or west. im thinking west to be honest
December 28th, 2009 at 11:08 am
im almost positive we will play the nfc west next season
December 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Russell couldn’t pass for 300 yards in 25 starts.
Gradkowski & Frye surpassed 300 yards in thier 2nd starts in Oakland. Russell has 2 years in Oakland they didn’t have
I bet Danny Southwick could shed the “intern” label, start Week 17 against the playoff hungry Ravens and still fair better than the Walrus.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Did you notice the blitzes from all directions from Rob Ryan?
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I also say the extreme prevent that RR throw on in the 4th quarter that allowed Charlie frkn Frye to led the NFL in passing yards yesterday.
Does anyone else make 330 yards of passing offense look so easy?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:11 am
new englandraider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 11:08 am
im almost positive we will play the nfc west next season
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NFC West and AFC South I believe.
so another year playing the Texans!!!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Oh brother – it’s only Monday and KrappyKell is already carrying on like an overly medicated lunatic! I bet he hasn’t even completed his first official pant crapping of the day yet.
And then we have that little English lad Albert Bigelow trying his best to impress his contemporary, 16 Year Old Zit.
Alby, if you want to be friends with an American child your own age, much better to choose a proper study abroad program than to track down a high school drop out on a football blog.
2010 is going to rule!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
my bad i meant al hires you and you get paid
if al lets you do your job and the team still sucks but you dont get blamed because it was als fault for hiring some one who didnt know what he was doing
or it was als fault because you were never in charge and were just a token
and if you do get to do your job you would have fun because you are always putting up your mock drafts
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AHA !!!
got it…
so even if i was a failing failure, it’s not my failure, it’s someone else’s failure cause they knew i should have been a failure in the first place… unless i succeed…
December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 am
why does it matter what teams we face next season?
we could play against the Rams, Lions, Browns, Redskins, Bucs, Bears, Seahawks & Bills twice next year and only finish with a 5-11 record!
we need to fix US before we worry about anybody else.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:15 am
im out fellas. no hard feeling kell. just dont think we should care whether is qb is black or white. as long as qb plays well, i couldnt care less what color he is. take care fellas. enjoy ur day
December 28th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Kool,
I said Frye sucks from day one, and again this morning. I know you like to paint me with a broad brush so leave me out of this one.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 11:14 am
why does it matter what teams we face next season?
we could play against the Rams, Lions, Browns, Redskins, Bucs, Bears, Seahawks & Bills twice next year and only finish with a 5-11 record!
we need to fix US before we worry about anybody else
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Exactly. And it starts by making intelligent decisions in free agency, the draft and roster. Hiring competent coaches and desiging credible game plans. It starts with playing the best players on the roster.
This is yet another bad team here in Oakland with Al Davis at the lead.
They will never win consistently until they do the above.
Are you folks tired of losing yet?
December 28th, 2009 at 11:20 am
NOooooooo Raiders Brotheren NOoooooo!!!!
Charlie Frye is “THE ANSWER!!!!” LMAO twice over!!!!
You play a broke bum over your 65 million dollar potential bum who staged a win for you last week.
Bum’s the bum out of me!
Bum QB
Bum Coach
Bum GM
Bum season
December 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Just heard on the radio that with so much concern of a lockout in 2011, teams(owners) are reluctant to hire coaching staffs this offseason and have them on the “books” for 2011. So expect lots of “lame-duck” coaches this year (with John Fox being the example that started the conversation).
So that may mean, Tom Cable in 2010 as a lame-duck. I can see Al insisting on hiring an OC, and having Cable sit in on the interview of a guy to ulitmately replace him. Sounds twillight-zonish enough for the Raiders
December 28th, 2009 at 11:25 am
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I don’t see any mention of Charlie Fryes 3 interceptions on this blog this morning, I wonder why?
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here’s why… he did not disappoint us…
’cause no-one with a brain thought Frye was going to be any good…
no-one thinks he’s gonna start next year…
few people even think he’s gonna be on the team…
and because there was no lack of effort… he threw for over 300 yards and managed to still suck… and that is to be expected from a 3rd stringer…
oh, and he’s being paid accordingly…
and cause he’s a 3rd string QB who was throwing when he shoulda been handing off…
and that belongs to cable…
December 28th, 2009 at 11:26 am
On AVG:
Fargas has 11 carries/ game.
DMC has 9 carries/ game
Bush has 7 carries/ game
Bush is avg 5.1 YPC, Fargas has 3.8 YPC, and DMC is avg 3.5 YPC.
Fire Cable!!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:26 am
okay, so here’s the deal.
The St Louis Rams through every fault of their own will choose first in April’s draft. With the first pick they take Suh.
Then the Rams turn around and trade Suh along with Keith Null to the Raiders for JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden and Darrius Heyward-Bey plus the 6th or 7th pick (whatever it is Oakland will have).
The Silver and Black defense would then have both Nnamdi and Ndamkuong. And the offense would have Null!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:26 am
vegas raider Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Kool,
I said Frye sucks from day one, and again this morning. I know you like to paint me with a broad brush so leave me out of this one.
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Just like FoolKell’s wife,,,,they don’t make a broad enough brush to paint either of your fat a$$e$.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Hear let me help you guys out.
65% of the players we have on either side of the ball would not be starting on other NFL teams.
Frye has already proven he is not a good #1 QB in this league. Gradowski is a good #2 back up save the day QB.
Russel has loads of potential but needs big time work. The only way he gets it is to play through the pain at $65 mill and a record like ours he should have been playing yesterday. Any other team with a decent QB he would have been working off the bench like Aaron Rodgers did in Greenbay. Everyone knew this guy needed work. At least you would know if the guy is a true bum or just a late learner like a # of QBs to the league are. But if you want me to get happy over any of these QBs we have now get ready to be diappointed. This team as a whole, just sucks! We are not a good team or franchise.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Hear or here??????????????????????????????????????/
December 28th, 2009 at 11:30 am
# Florida Pete Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 11:12 am
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:04 am
my bad i meant al hires you and you get paid
if al lets you do your job and the team still sucks but you dont get blamed because it was als fault for hiring some one who didnt know what he was doing
or it was als fault because you were never in charge and were just a token
and if you do get to do your job you would have fun because you are always putting up your mock drafts
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AHA !!!
got it…
so even if i was a failing failure, it’s not my failure, it’s someone else’s failure cause they knew i should have been a failure in the first place… unless i succeed…
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Pete:
You were really close …
If someone hires me and I get paid and I don’t do my job, then I suck … and the guy who hires me also sucks … unless it’s not my fault that I suck, in which case all the suckers out there who want to bash me for posting my mock draft can all suck on the teet of a cow … all the while, I am having fun while I still suck!
You see, I speak 16yearoldfan really well!!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Florida Pete,
my bad yesterday. As yourself, I did not see the Viking-Panther game, but I did see the prior Viking-Cardinal game. It was during the Arizona game that Jaspar Brinkley was wearing the “rented goalie” sign.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Tough loss to take…BUT…It’s STILL a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
KK — WTF are you trying to say here? Even if I pretend to understand what you’re getting at, you’re just throwing out BS like usual:
KoolKell Says:
Work ethic is one thing, talent is another. The guy with no talent winds up coaching.
The Talented guy can learn work ethic.
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And what’s the point? That Frye isn’t talented, so he’ll end up coaching? Hey…if a dude makes it into the NFL, he’s got enough talent to base a coaching career on. However…it doesn’t mean he CAN coach, or even analyze the game well enough to coach it. Frye apparently is good in a film room atmosphere…how dare he be!
What Frye has done, is shown us what we already mostly expected…that he is not, and never was, the answer for this team long-term. But, shame on him for having a built-in work ethic, right KK?
Compare him to your hero JaMarcus…and tell us again how talented (or potentially talented)people can “learn work ethic.” Work ethic is either instilled, or it’s enforced — and neither of those has worked for JaMarcus for 3 years now. Charlie Frye has nothing to do with it.
Kell — You were baiting and trolling for a racist debate this morning…and then complaining that you get labeled a racist. Duh!!
Despite the tough loss…and despite hater “fans” like KK, who can’t just can’t leave bad enough alone…
It is, in fact, still a great day to be a Raiders fan!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am
The St Louis Rams through every fault of their own will choose first in April’s draft. With the first pick they take Suh.
Then the Rams turn around and trade Suh along with Keith Null to the Raiders for JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden and Darrius Heyward-Bey plus the 6th or 7th pick (whatever it is Oakland will have).
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I’d trade away Russell, McFadden, Heyward-Bey & our 1st round pick for a bag of tater chips right now
they have no trade value whatsoever. probably 50 percent of 1st round draft picks turn out to be busts. do these guys look closer toward boom or bust to you? then consider the contracts another team would absorb. we couldn’t PAY a team to take them!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:39 am
It is ALWAYS a great day to be a Raiders fan – especially with so many haters out there. Eventually, we’ll show them all — it’s just going to take a little time. JaMarcus will always love the Raiders because he “got paid” — let’s see if that ever happens again for him … probably will. However, the only work ethic he knows is dragging his fat a$% to the Burger King.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Rockstar,
the Rams have won perhaps 4 out of their past 50 games. It is as clueless an organization as there is in the NFL. They might just fall for it!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am
The St Louis Rams through every fault of their own will choose first in April’s draft. With the first pick they take Suh.
Then the Rams turn around and trade Suh along with Keith Null to the Raiders for JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden and Darrius Heyward-Bey plus the 6th or 7th pick (whatever it is Oakland will have).
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I’d trade away Russell, McFadden, Heyward-Bey & our 1st round pick for a bag of tater chips right now
they have no trade value whatsoever. probably 50 percent of 1st round draft picks turn out to be busts. do these guys look closer toward boom or bust to you? then consider the contracts another team would absorb. we couldn’t PAY a team to take them!
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Well, the Rams DO need a quarterback … if we could package those three and end up with draft picks and/or a quality lineman on both sides of the ball, it just might work … as long as we all don’t get arrested for the Endo that we’re smokin’!!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:49 am
That would be the possum flavored tater chips right Rockstar
December 28th, 2009 at 11:55 am
If the dumb old man Al drafts a freakin CB within the first 3 rounds of this years draft….someone needs to seriously snipe him!
December 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Hey DKnight:
Don’t you be surprised if Taylor Mays is the guy who gets drafted!
December 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
DMC is running the risk of being no better than average (if that) as an NFL back. Unfortunately, like every other young player — teams (not just the Raiders) must give the guy enough time to develop and “pop.” DMC isn’t popping, and his game needs pop in it or he’s done.
On the other hand…DHB is so far from being a bust, it’s ridiculous. It simply doesn’t matter where he was chosen in the draft — whether he was picked #1 overall, or was Mr. Irrelevent — even AVERAGE WR’s usually take years to develop. We’re not only asking DHB to be average…we’re asking him to be GREAT immediately. It’s not realistic, and not logical, to label him a bust already.
JaMarcus? Can he even become an average QB? Almost unbelievably, the jury’s still out on this one…but his career’s on thinner ice than DMC’s, for sure.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Dakota Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:38 am
r8dr4lfe21,
Sure, it is all chance…but I think Al has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is not capable of running this team anymore, so I’ll take my chances on a new GM if that GM is more than a figurehead GM that Al is simply using to shield himself from further criticism.
The main problem lies in who will be hiring that GM. I don’t trust Al to hire someone decent, so it is a conundrum. I wish Al would bring Madden in as temporary decision maker, allow Madden to have a ton of influence on who becomes the GM, and then let that GM run the show.
Al should only stick his nose into major decisions, just like most owners. Say, if the GM wanted to bring in a troubled player like T.O., Al should have a say, but that should be about it.
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Thats what the old man will probably end up doing IF he does hire a GM/Personnel Guy.
He will just be a lap dog to take the blame if things fail, where behind the scenes the old man is pulling the “new” GM’s strings.
Thats the way the old man operates. In a wharped way.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
raidertbone Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Hey DKnight:
Don’t you be surprised if Taylor Mays is the guy who gets drafted!
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Oh I won’t be surprised if Mays gets picked.
At least it won’t be a freakin corner though. LOL
December 28th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Realistically,
JaMarcus Russell, Darren McFadden and Darius Heyward-Bey are not tradeable given their recent performance and HUGE CONTRACTS. No team is going to trade for those three.
The Raiders are stuck with them, unless they decide to cut them.
DMAC has some hope. I believe he’s been grossly mismanaged by the incompetent coaching staff.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Gradkowski should be re-signed asap, to a lower-level, “almost-starting QB” contract that is loaded with playing-time/performance incentives.
His injury is costing him, and saving the Raiders some money…provided they sign him before he hits the streets. He’ll get more than he got this year from somebody, and it should be from us so we can see if he’s got the goods.
Draft a mid-to-late-round pick at QB, and groom him behind Gradkowski (and the other veteran QB we’ll bring in)…this team needs a MATURE LEADER at QB.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I think the Raiders should re-sign Gradkowski, Frye, Losman and give Danny Southwick a shot.
Shoot. get Jeff George, Jeff Otis & Erik Meyer in here to compete. Anybody got Josh Booty’s phone number?
somebody needs to play QB for this team. Russell deserves a chance to compete too based on his contract, not what he’s shown on the field or the sidelines. the key word here is “competition”
May the most equipped QB win, even if it’s not the highest paid QB!
December 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
DMAC has some hope. I believe he’s been grossly mismanaged by the incompetent coaching staff.
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couldn’t agree more. same with Michael Bush.
why aren’t McFadden and/or Heyward-Bey fielding kicks instead of Gary Russell?
December 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
That would be the possum flavored tater chips right Rockstar
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in all honesty I’ve never tried possum. I have eaten BBQ raccoon though – tasty!
December 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Al Davis likes former 1st rounders that failed elsewhere.
we could see a JP Losman/Rex Grossman/Patrick Ramsey/Jason Campbell/Jamarcus Russell competition at QB next offseason!
December 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I don’t think JaMarcus could beat-out Gradkowski or Losman in an even-handed QB competition. And I don’t think the Raiders are going to leave those guys as JaMarcus’s only competition, either.
A level-headed vet like Kyle Orton — wasn’t Cutler so much easier to hate?! — could’ve steered this Raiders team to .500 this year. Gradkowski could’ve done it, too, I think.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Jason Campbell would beat-out JaMarcus.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
with keeping Cable and adding QB’s gurus Tollner & Hackett…
who would have guessed that Russell would actually regress in his 3rd NFL season (when most young QB’s start to “get it” and show flashes of brilliance) ???
December 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
St Louis is not going to trade for a QB. They are looking for their next one at the grocery store.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
All depends on the offensive scheme the “hopefully” new coach and Al Davis agree on.
If the WCO wins out, then a guy like Gradkowski has a chance, Campbell would also be a nice fit for competition as well as Chad Pennington.
If its vertical stretch time, Gradkowski has little chance….Losman, Grossman and a reconstructed Russell would be your best option.
See, the doggone General Manager has to figure out what kind of offense he wants to run! Stop switching back and forth.
But the Owner doesn’t get it. Just snap the ball and let the players play….sigh
December 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Now…HOW ‘BOUT SOMETHING POSITIVE??
Janikowski? Anyone??
Jano continues to show he is the greatest kicker in Raiders history…saddled with their poorest teams.
If the Raiders, as a team, played even .500 ball…Jano would be recognized as one of the greatest kickers in NFL history. Since he probably has another 5-7 years in him, he likely will be recognized as such eventually — but only if the Raiders find a way to win again, while we’ve still got that amazing leg on the team.
Jano will probably get a (legitimate) chance at the NFL record-long kick someday, and he could very well bring it home.
Rock on, Jano!
December 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I am also pissed off tat the Raiders lost composure nad pretty much gave up a TD on penalty. I am particlary upset that Seymour was heavily involved. I expected him to be one of the veteran calming players for the Raiders. This is the 2nd or 3rd time he has been called for such a penalty. However, receivers are consistently getting away with push offs on CJ. The refs couldn’t see that but they rediscovered the rule to call it on Murphy.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
S&B: well said
However, I think both Campbell & Pennington would have more attractive 2nd string offers than joining a QB competition in Oakland.
I think we’re kind of limited to players like Gradkowski, Frye, Walter, Tui, or UFL “champions”
December 28th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
QB QB QB QB QB….. B S !!!!!!
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Defense wins championships…If they can’t score they can’t win….Every Raider Superbowl Team that won had a very good Defense.
This is the AFC West…if you can’t effectively stop the run….you’re done….period…that’s 6 games out of familiarity with teams in your division you have to win….split the difference in the remaining 10 games and you’re in the Playoffs.
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Build the Defense around the Defensive Line and the Secondary….LB’s leading the team in tackles means you’re giving up too many yards per carry…Draft and acquire free agent DT’s and DE’s to primarily stuff the run….then load up on DB’s to stop the passing game the opposition will be forced into.
The weekly bashing of the LB’s and Safety’s for missing tackles of running backs on the dead run because they haven’t even been slowed down by Linemen unable to fill and maintain their gaps is 100% BS.
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A good defense also ensures a team will win the battle of Time of Possession…giving the Offense more opportunities to score….and with Lechler and Janokowski’s legs Field Position is a given….too bad there isn’t a quality defense to take advantage of it.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
with keeping Cable and adding QB’s gurus Tollner & Hackett…
who would have guessed that Russell would actually regress in his 3rd NFL season (when most young QB’s start to “get it” and show flashes of brilliance) ???
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It’s really just ridiculous, the more you examine it. Yet Russell doesn’t understand why he was benched and thinks he did fine. The receivers weren’t making plays, etc etc
December 28th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Seabass has been wildly inconsistant during his Raiders tenure.
However, he is quietly having a great season for us. I applaud his effort and effectiveness these past 4 months. 1 of the few bright spots for us
December 28th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Isn’t Janikowski’s contract up after next week? He will definitely have some suitors if that’s the case. Will probably have to use the franchise on Seymour…..
Could be a repeat of last year except instead of Nnamdi and Lechler we are dealing with Seynour and Jano
December 28th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
RRS — Jano has been the MOST consistent Raiders kicker, ever. He’s missed a few (as they all do), but made a lot more than he’s given credit for…and he’s been saddled for more than his share of the team’s failures for years.
Jano’s percentages, and points scored, dwarf all other Raiders kickers…even the most recognizable of them in Blanda.
His percentage of touchbacks on kickoffs is hard to touch, by any kicker in the league…and his accuracy percentages (even including longer, inadvisable attempts) are by far the best in Raiders history.
December 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Could be a repeat of last year except instead of Nnamdi and Lechler we are dealing with Seynour and Jano
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I think every LB on the roster is a free agent too, right?
plus don’t forget guys like Javon Walker, Tommy Kelly, Gerrard Warren, Mike Huff (my fav) are grossly overpaid & under contract. Russell already said he won’t restructure.
Routt, Eugene, Green, Carlisle, Pears, Stewart and all the QB’s are FA’s too (which is a good thing!)
December 28th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I too was thrilled by the kick by Seabass, but I would have thought the team would have been jacked up by it. But watching them go off the field, outside of a few players happy for him as a personal achievement, you would have thought someone had hit a home run in a 19-0 baseball game.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Howard, Brown, Morrison, Alston….all free agents
December 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
HD: Yes, Seabass #’s go down because he’s asked to try long attempts no other kicker is asked to.
Also, yes. strong leg for touchbacks is impressive
I just assume that the 45 yarders and under are automatic and I remember quite a few that he has missed which really costed us at the time.
I’m not hating on the man, just saying … it’s the truth
December 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Branch and Eugene are free agents.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Guys like Gary Russell, Reece, Watkins, Holland, Nixon, Norris, Carlisle, Green, Routt, Eugene, Pears, etc don’t belong on this team! not even for depth…
and guys like Sam Williams, Jon Alston, Ricky Brown, Luke Lawton & Tony Stewart only have value on special teams!
come on Al! draft football players for a change
December 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Some, like Branch, are restricted free agents….if they have less than 5yrs.
The Raiders have to get the salary cap in-line with performance. Too many players that are average or worse being paid as elite talent.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Branch is not a FA. this is only his 2nd season
December 28th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
One of my biggest problems with Art Shell at the helm…
The team would be in the middle of a meltdown — a real, tangible, visible loss of composure — for more than a few plays…and the coach holds it in until he gets into the locker room. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
Find the problem (Stanford Routt was looking for a fight for 3 straight plays)…and get the problem fixed right there, RIGHT NOW. Chew the a$$es that deserve to be chewed — Seymour among them — and let it fly right there on the sideline. Not appropriate all the time, but definitely appropriate yesterday.
Tom Cable’s got the lockerroom. He’s got the players’ respect, and he’s probably earned the job for another year. He wouldn’t have lost any points by jumping a$$ appropriately yesterday…and might’ve changed the tempo of the game.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Marcel Reese
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PRO: Converted wide receiver spent most of 2008 season on the practice squad.
2008: Signed to active roster on 12/26…(12/28) @ TB: Inactive for final game of the season…Signed by Raiders as an undrafted rookie free agent in May, 2008.
COLLEGE: Had 48 receptions for 980 yards and nine touchdowns at Washington…Started all 13 games as a senior and earned a team award for most improved offensive player…Set Washington record for longest play from scrimmage with a 98-yard touchdown reception vs. Arizona…Finished season with 39 receptions for 761 yards and eight touchdowns…At El Camino CC, helped lead Warriors to 11-1 record and trip to California state semifinals.
PERSONAL: Attended Hesperia (Calif.) High School…First team all-league performer in football, basketball and track…Had 41 receptions for 989 yards and 11 touchdowns in his senior season.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
The game changed when Langston Walker went down.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
The game changed when Frye threw a pick on the second play of the game.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
the game was over before it started. the raiders always collapse after a win, even to a lesser opponent
December 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
The game changed when Langston Walker went down, and the running game with it.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Cable has no one’s respect.
Because he’s a flea.
He knows it.
Team knows it.
Cable has NEVER gotten in a players face..ever.
HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY LEAD WHEN YOU DON’T TAKE COMMAND?
He doesn’t coach on the sidelines, doesn’t motivate on the sidelines, doesn’t seek out the players on the sidelines, doesn’t challenge players on the sidelines to do better..he has that blank stupid stare as he feverishly tries to figure out what call to make next.
Name me ONE coach in the NFL who coaches on the sidelines with less spark than Cable.
You can’t.
Hell, next to Cable, even Norv Turner looks like a fireball.
The above info is EXACTLY WHY CABLE WILL BE BACK..Al loves fleas..Al loves submission…Al loves the meek.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
the team is not motivated in 50-75 percent of games.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
The game changed when Cable decided to give Bush 1 more carry in the 2nd half.
In fact the game ended once that decision was finalized in Cable’s head
December 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
the game was over before it started. the raiders always collapse after a win, even to a lesser opponent
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Wow.
Captain Obvious.
Way to repeat what has been posted only 3000 times…good job, peanut.
Stick to making jokes about dead players…as only your sorryass can.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The game changed when Langston Walker went down, and the running game with him, forcing Cable to go elsewhere.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Mike Bush had 52 yards on 10 carries.
more carries might have meant more yards, more first downs, more time of possession, more points and a defense with more rest.
45 pass attempts by Charlie Frye against the Browns a week after Jamaal Charles of the Chiefs gashed them for 154 yards and a TD?
not to mention Bush himself had 133 yards and a TD last week against a good donks defense.
why didn’t Cable give Bush another 10-15 carries?
December 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
why didn’t Cable give Bush another 10-15 carries?
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Didn’t you just hear me say the running game became non-viable when Langston Walker went down in the 2nd qtr?
December 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Richochet: I haven’t read the past 3000+ posts
obviously you have. thanks for filling me in buddy
December 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
why aren’t McFadden and/or Heyward-Bey fielding kicks instead of Gary Russell?
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Geez…McFumble? Bey?
McFumble was known for fumbling balls in the open field, no one around..is known for going down from a stiff breeze, never breaking tackles.
Bey? Guy can’t catch a cold, and you’re suggesting he field kicks?
Make it easy on everyone.
Just put DUH before and after everyone of your posts.
Go ahead..try it.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RickieLake is here to crack on other people for restating the obvious…by…restating the obvious.
Good thing you popped in, RickieLake. Now you and KK and MR can all dance around in a circle and repeat each other’s nonsensical/tired/boring/repetitive drivel, designed just to get you the sad attention you so crave. Go cake yourselves in it.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Al Davis will figure this thing out… like he always does.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I have to agree that the game changed big time when Walker went down. Morris at OG is just a flat out disaster.
But funny thing is the ball was moving. Both Frye and Cable were just bad in the red zone.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Rudy Niswanger, Wade Smith & Ryan O’Callaghan on the Chiefs o-line is about the same as Satele, Carlisle & Green on ours.
we could have ran the football on Cleveland with Mike Bush at RB. Even with Morris at LG imo
December 28th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Nick Miller is our KR/PR …
You’ll see this weekend, lol!
December 28th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Cable does need to go elsewhere, he can’t go soon enough. So glad they lost now we can get a real coach. With the guys we have and a few upgrades dt o- line maybe mlb and we can win or at least improve
December 28th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Losing Langston Walker didn’t change the running game much. Not running the ball with Mike Bush changed the game a lot.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
LOL @ Jhill.
we’ve been waiting all year to see Nick Miller. I sure hope he’s active.
I’m expecting Wes Welker on offense & Josh Cribbs in the return game!
December 28th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
we ran the ball at will against SD with Jamal Williams on the D-Line and Chris Morris starting on the OL in Week 1.
has he regressed like Jamarcus or is there a bigger issue here?
December 28th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Janikowski is an excellent kicker. He’s absolutely the best kicker in the NFL this season.
His overall percentage does take a hit because he’s asked to kick like 7 to 10 from 50+ and he’ll hit about half of those. Kickers on the majority of teams don’t even attempt kicks from 50+ unless it’s end of the half, end of the game type situation where it’s that or a hail mary.
Janikowski has attempted 27 FGs this year. His only misses are from 45, 57 & 66 yards. He also has more FGs of 50+ yards than anyone in the league. His 61-yarder yesterday is the longest in the league this season.
Janikowski definitely deserves a Pro Bowl nod this year, but I kind of doubt he gets it because the team is 5-10.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
The game changed when Langston Walker went down, and the running game with him, forcing Cable to go elsewhere. Watch the game.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Nick Miller……(sigh)…..it doesn’t take a medical professional to realize that broken shine bones won’t heal for a good month or two for a lazy office worker like myself.
A football player??? Please, WTF was this guy doing on the roster and not IR all year? Easily one of the biggest head-scratchers this year.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
new post Barack worshippers!
December 28th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
The Raiders can blame the officials all the live-long day. But, the refs didn’t throw three interceptions. Quarterback Charlie Frye did. The refs didn’t call four straight failed pass plays from the Browns’ 2-yard line. Raiders coach Tom Cable did.
And, the refs certainly did not let Browns running back Jerome Harrison run them over a franchise-record 39 times for 148 yards. Seymour and The Gang did.
Who needs a conspiracy to beat the Raiders when they play like that?
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/27/SPF41B9TI1.DTL#ixzz0b1QUmwPG
December 28th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Cable is clueless that is the big issue. Yesterday and Dallas showed the no.2 is not the only problem, why can’t cable beat the teams they should beat? In fact they get blown out when they should win. This falls directly on the coach. Also the offense is awful, poor play calling is painful to watch. Players like cable because he doesn’t blast them, this is why he just go. Chuky was awesome he would put guys in check, we need some one to kick these guys in the rear.
December 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
why didn’t Cable give Bush another 10-15 carries?
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Didn’t you just hear me say the running game became non-viable when Langston Walker went down in the 2nd qtr?
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oh, schit… somebody forgot to check with you…
let’s see… you say that our ability to run the ball was due to one guy… ONE GUY… Langston Walker…
isn’t he the guy we signed in midseason???
isn’t he the guy that first played left guard like two weeks ago????
ya really think he was that good…
that without him we can’t even run the ball???
i think that’s astonishing…
don’t you???
December 28th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Richochet: I haven’t read the past 3000+ posts
obviously you have. thanks for filling me in buddy
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LMFAO..Holy Crappoly..when I stated it’s only been posted 3000 times that the Raiders do a face plant immediately after a win, I wasn’t referring to this site..it’s also been posted on pretty much every sports page, blog, sports cast, etc, that follows the Raiders…
Obviously you rely on this site, and only this site for your raider info.
Sad..isn’t it?
December 28th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
mistic1 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Cable is clueless that is the big issue. Yesterday and Dallas showed the no.2 is not the only problem, why can’t cable beat the teams they should beat? In fact they get blown out when they should win. This falls directly on the coach. Also the offense is awful, poor play calling is painful to watch. Players like cable because he doesn’t blast them, this is why he just go. Chuky was awesome he would put guys in check, we need some one to kick these guys in the rear.
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The looney old man needs to make every effort to bring Chuckie Gruden back….he has the passion, the work ethic, and discipline to get this team turned around ASAP!
Plus by hiring Gruden, season ticket sales will shoot thru the roof!
It’s a no brainer actually….but to the old stubborn man….it’s rocket science.
December 28th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Hey idiot Al Davis,
Do something SMART and HIRE JON GRUDEN!!
December 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
If you watched Grudens face when the calls came down from the box, the grimmaces, the laughing, smirking, and he just called his own calls, that mimmocked what was shot down to him, I say, give him another try, he tried his best to overcome!