Raiders live chat set for Tuesday at noon
By Jon Becker
Monday, December 28th, 2009 at 6:30 pm in Live chats, Oakland Raiders.
Will Sunday mark the final game with the Raiders for Tom Cable and JaMarcus Russell? Find out what Jerry McDonald thinks during our Raiders live chat on Tuesday, Dec. 29 at noon PST.
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December 28th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
First!
December 28th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 5-10
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
5 Head Coaches, 8 Starting QB’s.
Do you really believe scapegoating yet another Head Coach is going to solve this mess?
December 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
The 70-year-old KK produces this…half of the last dozen posts are the same thing:
KoolKell Says:
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 5-10
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
5 Head Coaches, 8 Starting QB’s.
Do you really believe scapegoating yet another Head Coach is going to solve this mess?
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The real question is…did we really believe KK could come up with a more original line of thought (or one without having to cut n’ paste the same ol’ same ol’ he’s used 1,000 times)?
Of course we didn’t think he could do it! KK lives down to our expectations of him once again!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
congratulations KK !!!!
December 28th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Of course we didn’t think he could do it! KK lives down to our expectations of him once again!
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I believe you can only speak for your dumbaazz self, no?
December 28th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
There’s still a few of you gullible Davis idolaters, who are willing to scapegoat anybody but Davis, but only enough of you to half-fill the stadium.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Aww, c’mon…that was pretty funny Kell.
OK, let’s talk personnel:
Should the Raiders target a QB in the draft? If so, how early?
Should they bring in another journeyman vet…someone like Gannon (i.e., good enough, and READY to lead a team)?
If we bring in another journeyman…who will it be? Real hidden gems don’t just jump out every day. Who’s available next Spring, who’s also worth taking a chance on (and paying more than) Gradkowski?
Assuming Grads re-signs (he won’t be as cheap as this year), and JaMarcus is still in the mix, how much more will Al want to spend to try and upgrade the position?
I think the injury to Grads is going to cost him money, and therefor save Al money…and Grads deserves the chance to try and keep the starter’s job. Especially since he’ll be a relative bargain, if he keeps the job.
I say…grab a mid-to-late-rounder (and/or undrafted) at QB…and get another vet in here to push everybody at the position. Grads or that vet will then probably own the starter’s job.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
“I don’t want to go out there and not be able to make plays,” Heyward-Bey said. “I don’t want just to be out there to play because it’s the last game. I don’t want to that, there’s no reason to do that. I want to be out there and be able to cut and run and do everything I can do normally.”
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ROFLMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA
December 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I’M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY EXCUSES FOR DAVIS HE TRULY IS TOO OLD FOR THIS STUFF. HE SHOULD BE PLAYING BINGO AT THE SENIOR CENTER.
BUT MANY SO CALLED “DRAFT EXPERTS” HAD DHB AS A MID TOO LATE FIRST ROUND DRAFT CHOICE. I’M NOT SURE HE SHOULD EVEN BE ON A PRACTICE SQUAD HE REALLY SUCKS.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Pete’s List of Delusional Raiders:
DHB: thinks he can catch…
Russell: thinks he gets paid by the pound…
Cable: thinks all QBs can be as good as Manning… you just have to make them throw it often enough…
Al Davis: thinks we’re on the right track… that’s right, get over it…
and just for grins…
Florida Pete: thinks he should be a general manager…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 5-10
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
5 Head Coaches, 8 Starting QB’s.
Anybody who thinks yet another Al Davis draft is going to clean up this mess is seriously delusional.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
i don’t see any improvements to your list, KK…
they seem to be the same… identical… list… over… and over… and over… and over again…
makes me want to post my draft choices…
December 28th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
# Raider75 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Cable needs to go.
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What’s more important is Al Davis needs to go or at least stop making the freakin personnel and football operation decisions.
December 28th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 5-10
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
5 Head Coaches, 8 Starting QB’s.
Anybody who thinks yet another Al Davis draft is going to clean up this mess is seriously delusional.
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EXACTLY!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
There’s still a few of you gullible Davis idolaters, who are willing to scapegoat anybody but Davis, but only enough of you to half-fill the stadium.
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LOL!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
last entry by jerry was hilarious
December 28th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
HayesDaze37,any chance kk could post once for the day shift,once for the swing shift,and ONCE for the night shift,after that,change the post to something NEW,please PLEASE,worse than water torture! ps not a smiley face in sight!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
I relly hoped that JaPIG would of started in place of that CHOKE-RAT the reason why? To prove once and for all that this FAT PIG DOES NOT belong in the league and will NEVER revive his career like VY!I hope that the OLD GOAT opens his eyes and relizes that he got ripped off in paying this FAT BUM! I hope he cuts his LARDA$$ and drafts a QB that Paul Hackett could groom over the next couple of years while Grad is taking care of buisness!
December 28th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Florida Pete Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
i don’t see any improvements to your list, KK…
they seem to be the same… identical… list… over… and over… and over… and over again…
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Pete the list is the same, the editorial post script is different. Please read more closely.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
– Cable, asked to review his own performance as offensive coordinator and play-caller, had the following response.
“I think at times an exceptional job and at times an average job. I look at it that way, kind of nothing in between really. As I said, that has to get better, too.”
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wow how can you blame jamarcus and dhb on the way they grade their performances when the coach says this
December 28th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
2010 plan for QB:
1) Re-sign Gradkowski
2) Sign Troy Smith
Those two should be locked in.
3) Re-do JaMarcus’ contract for a minimal deal with playing time/performance incentives if he ever turns it around.
4) Give Frye and Losman a shot to compete in mini-camps/training camp.
May the best 1 of JaMarcus, Frye and Losman stay in addition to Smith and Gradkowski.
May the best man win the starting job.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
wow how can you blame jamarcus and dhb on the way they grade their performances when the coach says this
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Let alone how Al Davis grades himself!
December 28th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
wow how can you blame jamarcus and dhb on the way they grade their performances when the coach says this
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Let alone how Al Davis grades himself!
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The old stubborn delusional empereror grading himself….would be a site to see for damn sure!
The last 7 years he probably has given himself B….for his genius decision making. LOL
December 28th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Gruden quoting Bud Grant tonight on MNF…
“A head coach needs three things to make it in the NFL…
A patient wife.
A loyal dog.
And a helluva quarterback.”
December 28th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
i watched my man Brinkley play tonight…
i only watched the 4th qtr and the OT…
i would take him on this team in a heartbeat…
very disciplined, quick, and enthusiastic…
by the way… chicago’s o-line played really well…
December 28th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Pete,
Who do you like in the QB mix for next season?
December 28th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Also,
Gruden aside, who do you like as coach next year out of Cable, Fassel, Gilbride and Trestman — since those are the names that seem to get tossed around most often.
I’d go:
1. Fassel
2. Cable
3. Trestman
4. Gilbride
Given those options.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
2010 plan for QB:
1) Re-sign Gradkowski
2) Sign Troy Smith
Those two should be locked in.
3) Re-do JaMarcus’ contract for a minimal deal with playing time/performance incentives if he ever turns it around.
4) Give Frye and Losman a shot to compete in mini-camps/training camp.
May the best 1 of JaMarcus, Frye and Losman stay in addition to Smith and Gradkowski.
May the best man win the starting job.
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Sounds good but BurgerBoy is not going to regotniate. I say just cut his sorry butt and never look back. Nobody else wants him for any price. He’s like a dark cloud in the locker room. He’ll bring down whomever is around him. Can you think of any other QB you’d rather play against? He sticks out like a sore thumb and has about the same mobility.
The real contest will be between Gradkowski & Smith with Smith coming out on top IMO. The other concern is for Grad’s knees. That’s an unknown concern that may make or break him. In any event, if we can get Smith we’ll have a solid starter who’s willing to put in the effort to become outstanding.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Part of the reason I like Gradkowski and Smith paired up is that they’re very similar players. You could tailor an offense that would be interchangable with both guys while figuring out who should start.
December 28th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Part of the reason I like Gradkowski and Smith paired up is that they’re very similar players. You could tailor an offense that would be interchangable with both guys while figuring out who should start.
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100% correct! Their styles are almost identical. The same offense would work well for both. We can only hope someone at the Raiders would see the value of bringing in Smith while showing JaBustus the door and handing him his severence paycheck.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
I remember Smith and Ohio State getting destroyed by Florida in that Nat Championship game and thinking he wouldn’t make it in the pros. But from the glimpses I’ve seen of him with the Ravens he looks like a solid player. He actually had Flacco beat for that starting job last year but then got severely sick and Flacco got on a roll and the rest is history.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Here’s a list of 2010 Raider Free Agents. Who do we keep & who do we let go?
PK Sebastian Janikowski Keep
OT Cornell Green
DL Richard Seymour Franchise tag
LB Jon Alston ?
LB Ricky Brown Keep
LB Thomas Howard ?
LB Kirk Morrison ?
CB Stanford Routt Keep – maybe
December 28th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
wow i looked on youtube to see if they had anything from troy smith while he is in the pros and all they have is the throw to flacco embarrassing
December 28th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
16,
I just looked and that’s all I could find too. Don’t know if he’s had many more reg season throws than that, just preseason.
But that throw was 40 yards downfield and completely across the field — probably at least 60 yards total — and he hit Flacco right in stride. Pretty impressive.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
PK Sebastian Janikowski Keep
OT Cornell Green
DL Richard Seymour offer 3yr deal
LB Jon Alston
LB Ricky Brown keep
LB Thomas Howard keep
LB Kirk Morrison
CB Stanford Routt-maybe
December 28th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Some Troy Smith highlights from his Ohio State days on there. A lot of running plays included but some very accurate throws, too.
He did complete 65% of his passes with a 30/6 TD to INT ratio in his senior season when he won the Heisman. His last 2 season there he averaged a ridiculous 162 QB rating. He’s listed at 6-0, 225 — virtually identical to Gradkowski — and both guys have superior mobility.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Pete,
Who do you like in the QB mix for next season?
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The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 5-10
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
5 Head Coaches, 8 STARTING QB’s.
Anybody who thinks yet another Al Davis draft/Roster is going to clean up this mess is seriously delusional.
You a slow learner?
December 28th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Gruden aside, who do you like as coach next year out of Cable, Fassel, Gilbride and Trestman — since those are the names that seem to get tossed around most often.
Cable- because of continuity and the belief that we would be in the playoffs if gradkowski was our starting qb in the beginning of the year.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
If troy smith turns out to be a star in this league i’d be upset bacause I wanted him and calvin johnson that year coming out of the draft. We could’ve gotten johnson smith and zach miller all in the same year.smh
December 28th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
# Kirk Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Gruden quoting Bud Grant tonight on MNF…
“A head coach needs three things to make it in the NFL…
A patient wife.
A loyal dog.
And a helluva quarterback.”
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Heard that….Gruden is great!
Vick, Gradkowski, Losman and MAYBE Russell should be competing for the starting job next year with Gruden as HC.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
JB,
Factoring in not only their ability, but what I expect them to be paid, I’d definitely keep:
- Janikowski: Best kicker in the league this year.
- Seymour: One of the most powerful D-linemen in the league. Should probably slide to DT in most passing situations with the addition of a pass-rush specialist at DE in those spots.
- Howard: Tremendously athletic and energetic LB but has trouble shedding blocks.
- Morrison: Would like to see him moved outside with a thumper in the middle.
- Green: Solid run blocker and serviceable pass blocker but makes a lot of dumb penalties. Hopefully a backup T but you could do worse at starting RT.
Brown, Routt and Alston wouldn’t command big money and are decent special teams/backup guys who I’d let compete for roster spots. Guess it would depend on who we draft, who’s available in free agency, how Slade Norris and Nixon are coming along at LB in regards to those guys.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Chris in NY
I pretty much agree with your assessment. Morrison would be OK as an OLB. He’s not a run stuffer for the MLB position. Howard is good in coverage but a liability against the run for the reasons you cited. Maybe If we can get a Suh type for the nose tackle and a stout MLB it might be time to look at the 3-4 with Seymour & Shaughnessy at DE Morrison & Howard on ther outside with Scott & the new MLB in the middle. Back that up with Mitchell & Huff at safety and Asoumghua & Branch at corner letting CJ be the nickle back.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Add Tyvon Branch to that list as a RFA for 2010
December 28th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Dmac20 Says:
December 28th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
If troy smith turns out to be a star in this league i’d be upset bacause I wanted him and calvin johnson that year coming out of the draft. We could’ve gotten johnson smith and zach miller all in the same year.smh
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Looking back, could’ve had those three + Michael Bush, Mario Henderson and JLH still in that draft. If Smith ever pans out, could’ve got a stud WR, TE to go along with starting QB, LT and what looked like and could still be an elite return man in a single draft.
Actually, if we had gone Calvin Johnson at No. 1 and Smith instead of Eric Frampton in Round 5, it would’ve looked like:
1. Calvin Johnson, WR, Ga Tech
2. Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State
3. Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia
3. Mario Henderson, LT, Florida State
3. Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, UTEP
4. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville
4. John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati
5. Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State
5. Troy Smith, QB, Ohio State
6. Oren O’Neal, FB, Arkansas State
7. Jonathan Holland, WR, Louisiana Tech
And in a complete dream world sub in Mike Sims-Walker (breakout stud WR for Jags this year) for Quentin Moses in Round 3 and Jermon Bushrod (starting OT for the Saints) for John Bowie in Round 4.
Regardless, that was a very good draft. It’s sullied by picking JaMarcus at No. 1 but there were a lot of other quality picks in that draft.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Seacrest, out.
December 28th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
The players the team should target with a top 10 or top 8 pick…..should be (of course Suh, but he will be gone within top 3 picks) RDE prospect Derrick Morgan, 3-Technique DT Gerald McCoy, OT Bruce Campbell, OT Russell Okung.
The MLB the Raiders should probably look at ahead of Spikes is the BEAST MLB from Kentucky Micah Johnson. 6′2, 255. Built like a brickhouse and plays like Jon Beason they say. Doubt he lasts until round 2.
Three things are for certain…..the dumb old man better not pick the overweight two down player Cody….or another SS in Mays or a freakin CB with that top 8-10 pick!
December 29th, 2009 at 3:54 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 3:58 am
All Hail the 408Raider and AZR8ER for being King’s of the Fantasy Football World!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 4:06 am
If you keep JaMarBust and give him another shot at becoming an NFL level QB, you have to keep Cable.
Get rid of Cable, JaMarBust has no chance. He is 3 years into the current system. Change offensive systems and he is back to square one.
Keep them both Russle & Cable or get rid of both.
Al Davis is not going to give up on JaMarBust, that would require AD admit he made a mistake.
December 29th, 2009 at 4:17 am
This next season is it for #2,imo….His 3rd year playing….
If he comes to camp the same way he did last camp,cut him yesterday.
If not,well….we’ll just have to wait-n-see
December 29th, 2009 at 5:17 am
#2 is a waste of time…
his presense hurts us…
notice how the team does better without him…
his absense is inspirational…
gotta cut him loose…
December 29th, 2009 at 5:31 am
Pete….I kinda do think that,especially after the Redskins game,talk about a total bummer when#2 came in,the team deflated right B4 our eyes.But then came the Denver game and the team rallied around him.Did Gradkowski chew the team out after the ‘Skins game???? Maybe but they sure played better the next time #2 came in vs.donkeys.I am always for an open competition for playing time until someone steps forward.As much as #2 thumbed his nose at the Organization AND the Nation,I am willing to give him 1 more chance but this IS THE LAST TIME.1st day of next camp will tell all,imo.
I personally thought he lost the whole teams respect,doing the things he did.But he was gracious in victory after the donkey game so I thought there still might be a sliver of hope 4him.His teammates rallied around him and that says a lot to me.
Better arm than Grads but nowhere the field general.I personally do NOT think he can beat-out Gradkowski but I am for an open competition anyway
December 29th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Why does it always seem that all players who come here from other teams say the same thing about the officiating? Jerry Rice said it, etc, etc…now Seymour. And he said all he did was ask the refs why he was called on the flag??? If that’s true…what a bunch of crap! But…the team has to play through it because no matter…the team will always get flagged and many of it is phantom!!!
Anyways…
December 29th, 2009 at 6:09 am
plus all the non-calls on other teams,Hwnrdr
December 29th, 2009 at 6:16 am
I wonder why they never showed any replay of the supposed bump of an official by Tony Stewart? The NFL really has to get rid of these stupid “untouchable” crap that is the refs…seriously!
December 29th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Keep Darrius Heyward-Bey, Nick Miller, Bruce Gradkowski, Langston Walker, Justin Fargas, Gerard Warren & Slade Norris on the inactive list.
they are injured and we’re going to face a very physical Ravens team. We’re gonna need our troops at full strength.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:21 am
good morning AM crew!
OAKlifer, see the 76ers beat the Blazers last night?
December 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Frye is starting.
not sure if thats the right move?
Isn’t JP Losman only under contract through this season? that means we signed him without giving him a chance. we didn’t kick the tires. we wasted money.
maybe he’ll be 2nd string this week?
if Frye sucks or gets injured then he may see some game time…
December 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Why do I have a funny feeling that we will beat the Ravens this weekend? It fits with the pattern of not winning back to back lately…
December 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 5:31 am
I am willing to give him 1 more chance but this IS THE LAST TIME.
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i wouldn’t give Jacarcass the sweat off my balls…
December 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
It drives me crazy when I see other games where the same play doesn’t bring a flag. There were many plays in the Dallas – Washington game that didn’t bring a flag. Favre spikes the ball after a sack last night. No flag. Dude for Minn spears the punt returner just as he catches the ball. No flag.
I can go back to every game this year and here the anouncers, most of whom are anti-Raiders, say that was a bad call by the refs when they throw a flag at the Raiders.
This crap has got to stop.
December 29th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Good Morning Rockstar…
Is Losman really better than Frye, though? I guess you’re right…how would we know?
December 29th, 2009 at 6:47 am
maybe Losman doesn’t have a grasp of the offense yet?
thats all I can figure…
Frye reminded me of Kerry Collins last week. he can move the offense, but turns the ball over (not similar in arm strength or mobility I know…)
instead of trying to force something that isn’t there Frye should just take what the defense gives him. throw the ball away or check down. run if you have to! Chris Carr is starting at CB for the Ravens. therefore the defense will be giving him at least something
December 29th, 2009 at 6:50 am
I can see us beating the Ravens this week too Hwnrdr.
We’ve beat Philly, Cincy, Pittsburg & Dungver. Why not the Ravens?
I think we have a better chance beating the Ravens this week than if we were playing against the Lions or Rams. I know that sounds odd, but I gather this team prepares better and is ready when facing a better football team. We seem to lose all the games we should win and by good margins
December 29th, 2009 at 6:53 am
How about running Bush on first and goal at the two?
December 29th, 2009 at 6:53 am
How about running Bush on first and goal at the two?
December 29th, 2009 at 6:53 am
John Harbaugh is talking up this Raiders team so much I think he might just save Cable’s job. he’s acting like they are David facing Goliath or something …
better than the Bucs thinking Week 17 was a “gimme” last year, huh?
the Ravens will respect us, unless we start acting like an undisciplined team (like last week).
December 29th, 2009 at 6:56 am
That was the tale of this season…we beat the teams that we are double digit underdogs…and the teams that we are supposed to beat…what the heck…we lose by doubledigits!
December 29th, 2009 at 6:56 am
How about running Bush on first and goal at the two?
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or McFadden sweep right with Erik Pears as the 2nd TE.
Carlisle/Green/Pears and Satele pulling. DMC with the outside edge over the pylon
even Fargas with a leap over the middle would have been a better try than 4 passes
December 29th, 2009 at 6:58 am
work to do. later gents!
December 29th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Shoot…Satele sneaking over the middle was better than 4 staright passes…”Check with me”
December 29th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Yeah,this is a very young team and maybe they get full of themselves after a “quality” win,a lil 2 big for their own britches,if you will.
Some will say….that is the coaches fault and even tho Cable has been a coach,tho not at this level,maybe he is still an excitable little boy,like all us when we win.
I can see us winning this one also b/c thats been our M.O. this season.
Life is about 2nd chances….Big Al has always been about 2nd chances….
Cable will be better next year,the whole team also..
December 29th, 2009 at 7:09 am
4eva, what up Bruh? dissapointed in you man…..
How did you let my lowlife brother 408 beat you in the
fantast league? You have to watch him as i am sur ehe cheated…..
December 29th, 2009 at 7:11 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 6:56 am
That was the tale of this season…we beat the teams that we are double digit underdogs…and the teams that we are supposed to beat…what the heck…we lose by doubledigits!
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This was good for vegas, and sports books around the world….
December 29th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Were we ever favored this season?
December 29th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Thec….. Good morning To YA!
Well being as 408 got me into this great mess we know as Fantasy Football,…..As the person I am and being thankfull to just be invited,I let him win lolhahahahahahahahahahyahahaaaaaahahahahahahahahaah
December 29th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Tom Cable lost me with his assessment of his play-calling. Makes you understand what DHB and Russell are coming from when they give themselves high marks.
And what did Cable say, he gets feedback that he is a good game-manager? Apparently the 4 verticals on his own goalline doesn’t count towards “game management”.
And his “management” of the last drive in the first half against the Browns, doesn’t count either. If he wouldn’t have been calling TO’s right away, the whole situation would have never happened.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:29 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Were we ever favored this season?
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Doubt it brother, but most people would have bet the farm on us losing those games.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:30 am
4eva, I am quite sure you let him win. 408, is overated…lol
How did El dirty make out. Havent seen him in this blog in a while, do you know whats up with him?
December 29th, 2009 at 7:36 am
All I can say this season was filled with adversity,last season too.
Compounding the situation is sinse Daunte Culpepper left we have had no QB.No one has the annointed amount of time required to get to know each-other to trust each-other.
We still young
December 29th, 2009 at 7:38 am
El Dirty made an appearance like a few days ago and Wished everyone a Merry Christmas….that was the only post of his I’ve seen recently
December 29th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Oh and LMAO Thec!
December 29th, 2009 at 7:40 am
…and remeber that “mysterious” injury that Daunte had? Hmmm….
December 29th, 2009 at 7:45 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Were we ever favored this season?
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Nope, not once. Week 2 we were one point underdogs, but that was it.
We are 7-8 against the spread. All 5 wins and both games against SD we covered
December 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
# Thec07 Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 7:30 am
4eva, I am quite sure you let him win. 408, is overated…lol<—– Says the guy who was 2 scerrd 2 play
How did El dirty make out. Havent seen him in this blog in a while, do you know whats up with him?<—- That guy is having way 2 much fun!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 7:51 am
What did you do exceptionally?
“I think I managed it as well as you can under the circumstances and what goes into the decision making, the opportunities to score points and do things throughout games,” Cable said. “Certainly in game management. I hear a lot of compliment from others that way, feel like that’s a strength and I do that well.”
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First of all, THANK YOU for finally asking a decent follow up question, lol!
Secondly WTF kinda answer was that?!?!?!?
Game Manager????
LMFAO!
December 29th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Morning NATION!!
December 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Cable plans on having a sit-down with Russell following the season to go over those expectations in private.
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I guess he’s been too busy to meet with Russell to date?
LMFAO!
I’m sure that is going to go over well with Al Davis. I can’t believe Cable actually said that.
Fugg!!!!!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 7:56 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 5:31 am
Pete….I kinda do think that,especially after the Redskins game,talk about a total bummer when#2 came in,the team deflated right B4 our eyes.But then came the Denver game and the team rallied around him.Did Gradkowski chew the team out after the ‘Skins game???? Maybe but they sure played better the next time #2 came in vs.donkeys.I am always for an open competition for playing time until someone steps forward.As much as #2 thumbed his nose at the Organization AND the Nation,I am willing to give him 1 more chance but this IS THE LAST TIME.1st day of next camp will tell all,imo.
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Russell needs to be shown the door. He can’t even get on the field this late in the season. Tired of riding with rank losers. Send him on!
Give a “2nd chance” to Bush…LOL At least he produces!
December 29th, 2009 at 7:57 am
PICK TEAM W OPP%
1 RAMS 1 0.525
2 LIONS 2 0.517
3 CHIEFS 3 0.521
4 BUCCANEERS 3 0.558
5 REDSKINS 4 0.500
6 BROWNS 4 0.504
7 SEAHAWKS 5 0.475
8 BILLS 5 0.517
9 RAIDERS 5 0.521
10 BEARS 6 0.492
11 49ERS 7 0.483
12 JAGUARS 7 0.492
13 TITANS 7 0.546
14 PANTHERS 7 0.550
15 DOLPHINS 7 0.554
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Looks like we potentially could have anywhere from the #5 pick to the #10 pick.
Washington plays at SD
Browns play the Jags
Tenn plays Seattle
Indy plays Buff
Chicago plays at Det
Looks like we will probably be picking @#9 unless teams like SD and Indy just pack it in for the last game and Tenn plays awful in Seattle. Best hope for moving up in the draft would be a victory by the Browns against the Jags. Chicago shouldn’t move up as they should beat Detroit.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:57 am
as long as Cable is allowing personal animosity to dictate who plays and doesn’t play… i say piss on you, too, cable…
in professional sports it’s about winning…
and that is something you haven’t done…
i would give you a pass on playing Russell and DHB… ’cause those are Davis’ calls… no doubt…
but letting good players rot on the bench because of a vendetta is bullschitt…
and it’s not just Bush… it was Henderson too… and maybe a few others… Mitchell perhaps???
December 29th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Cable, asked to review his own performance as offensive coordinator and play-caller, had the following response.
“I think at times an exceptional job and at times an average job. I look at it that way, kind of nothing in between really.
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WOW!
So you were avearage and everyone else sucked?
LMFAO!
WOW!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:06 am
LOL, Jhill!!!
Who gives themselves these types of grades?
I bet if you asked Peyton Manning, he wouldn’t say “at times exceptional and at times average”.
An old saying I go by, “Always strive for perfection because it can never be achieved”. Basically, never be content.
If you give yourself an “exceptional” grade, you are content.
And we have the worst offense in the league!! LMAO. Imagine what he would say if we were a middle of the pack offense.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Cable’s statements just show what kind of man he is. The guy is a woman beater, they usually display these traits:
COMMON TRAITS OF A WOMAN BEATER:
Denial: In many cases, the abuser will act as if nothing happened, in order to excuse his/her behavior. If they do admit their actions, it is always the fault of the victim. They justify their actions by claiming that they were provoked.
Abusive men and women tend to feel inadequate and depressed. Abusive men and women generally come off to the outsider as arrogant and overly self-confident. This is in fact a defense mechanism they use to hide their dislike for themselves.
Jealousy and possessiveness: An abuser feels jealous and over-possessive of their victim. They often demand to know their victims whereabouts at all times, get insanely jealous at the slightest hint of someone else getting any of their victims attention, and become very hostile at the thought of losing their “property”.
Domination and emotional attachment: An abuser expects complete attention and support from their girlfriend / boyfriend / wife / husband. Abusers expect and demand complete control and submittance on the part of their victim.
Inability to understand or recognize their problem: The abuser is often times, if at all, the last person to admit that they have a problem. Abusers commonly do not respond well to counseling because they are unable to understand their anger or confusion.
:::::::::::::: Obviously some of those traits run into his coaching attitude too. He is in denial of his own abilities and makes excuses as to why the team sucks…he is fixated on guys like Fargas and Kwame Harris and went out of his way to make sure his lover boys got every chance to succeed to the detriment of the team…he can’t recognize or fix the teams problems, he just say we are working on it blah blah blah.
I can’t wait to see this POS get fired.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Come on Lakers….but thank you Warriors for beating the Celtics last night! Better not try that schit against the Lakers tonight!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:14 am
“I don’t want to go out there and not be able to make plays,” Heyward-Bey said. “I don’t want just to be out there to play because it’s the last game. I don’t want to that, there’s no reason to do that. I want to be out there and be able to cut and run and do everything I can do normally.”
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I think DHB is the most negative minded receiver I have ever heard. He doesn’t say ” I want to do this…”
or ” I’m going to do that…”
He speaks in double negatives. His mindset is totally negative. No wonder he’s dropping everything that’s thrown his way.
ZERO CONFIDENCE.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Sup 408?
December 29th, 2009 at 8:19 am
408RAIDER Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
# Thec07 Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 7:30 am
4eva, I am quite sure you let him win. 408, is overated…lol<—– Says the guy who was 2 scerrd 2 play
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Tru words Bother… I was acting line the headless chicken….
Congrats on your victory Bro…
December 29th, 2009 at 8:22 am
“I think at times an exceptional job and at times an average job. I look at it that way, kind of nothing in between really. As I said, that has to get better, too.”
What did you do exceptionally?
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I loved that follow-up question.
What did you do?…because we never saw it…
December 29th, 2009 at 8:24 am
“I think at times an exceptional job and at times an average job. I look at it that way, kind of nothing in between really. As I said, that has to get better, too.”
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I was actually embarrassed for the guy when I watched him say that at his press conference. Normally I would think that he is just angling to keep his job, but I think this buffoon truly believes what he said!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
not meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lol
December 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
I mean you want a guy to be confident, and not a downer.
But a little dose of reality and humility would do this coach/team/organization a lot of good.
What’s next, our president is going to give himself a B+……..
December 29th, 2009 at 8:29 am
4eva.. Just Getting my RAIDER FIX.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am
coo
December 29th, 2009 at 8:31 am
vegas raider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:26 am
I mean you want a guy to be confident, and not a downer.
But a little dose of reality and humility would do this coach/team/organization a lot of good.
What’s next, our president is going to give himself a B+……..
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No kidding, I mean just look at Russell…what is he thinking when he sees his unqualified worthless HC stand up at the press conference and declare that he is sometimes exceptional? Russell must think to himself, hey, that is what I have been saying all along about myself!!!! lol
December 29th, 2009 at 8:33 am
At the beginning of his statement Cable said….
“All things considered”….and there was and still is much to consider on this inherited team of his,imo
December 29th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Kudos to Cam Inman for writing what no one has wanted to say this season: Richard Seymour has been an average player for the Raiders.
Seymour has only 4 sacks — and 2 in the last 14 games. He does not regularly pressure the passer and has had little impact on the run defense.
Seymour says: “You can’t run on my side,” but it’s simply not true. There have been plenty of runs to the (offensive) left side for big yardage this season.
Belichick knew what he was doing (as usual) and Big Al did not (as usual).
Big Al will overpay Seymour for next year. And Raider Nation will cringe when the Pats use our top pick in 2011.
But, hey, Big Al would have blown the pick, anyway, on a safety who can’t play or a receiver who can’t catch.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Dakota Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:24 am
“I think at times an exceptional job and at times an average job. I look at it that way, kind of nothing in between really. As I said, that has to get better, too.”
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I was actually embarrassed for the guy when I watched him say that at his press conference. Normally I would think that he is just angling to keep his job, but I think this buffoon truly believes what he said!
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When they hired him, I liked the idea of bringing a positive attitude to the club. It was long overdue.
But when someone can’t tell the difference between good and bad results, and just gives out praise, then that becomes a problem.
Cable has reached that stage, where you can’t believe what comes out of his mouth. It’s just hot air.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:33 am
At the beginning of his statement Cable said….
“All things considered”….and there was and still is much to consider on this inherited team of his,imo
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He coached the team for the vast majority of 2008…how long will you let him ride that excuse?
December 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Loose to Washington, beat Denver, Get blownout by Cleveland (yikes!)…Crazy Raider Football. So keeping with the trend, Oak beats Baltimore, and the Stealers make the playoffs…
December 29th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Wonder if burgess has more sacks then seymour????
December 29th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Nothing about the Oakland Raiders 2009 offense, except for Bruce’s 4th quarter against the Steelers, has been anything close to “Exceptional”.
We haven’t even been “average” most of the time.
Cable says all these things he wants Russell to do, and than steps up to the podium and does exactly what he shouldn’t do.
I think we will look back and laugh at the great marriage of CAble-Russell for 2009. Could these two buffoons lived up to their stereotypes any more?
Cable looks the part of a stubborn, dumb, unsophisticated grunt, who beats coaches and as we found out women.
Russell shows up opening night, rocking 2 fat diamonds in his ears, a closely cropped mohawk and a big beer belly.
What a couple of tools!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I hate ALL other nfl teams, but i hate the chargers the most. so any team that gets into the playoffs needs to beat them.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Tools r us….
December 29th, 2009 at 8:40 am
1 more season Dakota
December 29th, 2009 at 8:41 am
RaiderfanNY Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Kudos to Cam Inman for writing what no one has wanted to say this season: Richard Seymour has been an average player for the Raiders.
Seymour has only 4 sacks — and 2 in the last 14 games. He does not regularly pressure the passer and has had little impact on the run defense.
Seymour says: “You can’t run on my side,” but it’s simply not true. There have been plenty of runs to the (offensive) left side for big yardage this season.
Belichick knew what he was doing (as usual) and Big Al did not (as usual).
Big Al will overpay Seymour for next year. And Raider Nation will cringe when the Pats use our top pick in 2011.
But, hey, Big Al would have blown the pick, anyway, on a safety who can’t play or a receiver who can’t catch.
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Nice observation.
Seymour may have dropped from his ‘elite’ level, and Al was stuck in the past. (Seems oddly familiar).
December 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Fire Cable!!!!!!
P L E A S E!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No More Cable!!
No More Cable!
No More Cable!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Burgess has 26 tackles and 4 sacks.
Seymour has 41 tackles and 4 sacks.
Different positions and roles, and the Pats D is slightly worse than it was last year, and the Raiders might be slighly better than last year.
Neither guy made much of an impact.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:43 am
My picks for next year’s head coach:
1) Randy Hanson (has been groomed by Davis himself)
2) Sanjay Lal (his development of DHB speaks for itself)
3) Art Shell, Joe Bugel, or something of the sort.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:47 am
The addition of losing Sands also helped,imo
December 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Cable uses the word exceptional to describe an offense ranked 31st in the league…can you imagine the orgasm he would go into if the offense ranked 15th?
December 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Dakota Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:36 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:33 am
At the beginning of his statement Cable said….
“All things considered”….and there was and still is much to consider on this inherited team of his,imo
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He coached the team for the vast majority of 2008…how long will you let him ride that excuse?
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It will always be an excuse.
McDaniel goes into Denver and cleans house. Guts the team.
He takes a year to figure out what works and what doesn’t, then he’s held accountable.
If Cable were the actual head coach, he would have gutted the team in the off-season.
He’s not allowed to gut the team. He’s only allowed to tweak it. Do a little fine tuning.
He’s only there to call bad plays, yell at the O-line and give waffling press conferences.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Oh great lets get a new coach that’s worse than the last 1… I don’t understand who you guys think will come in here and coach Jamarcus and deal with Big Al?
December 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
NorthernD Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:14 am
I think DHB is the most negative minded receiver I have ever heard. He doesn’t say ” I want to do this…”
or ” I’m going to do that…”
He speaks in double negatives. His mindset is totally negative. No wonder he’s dropping everything that’s thrown his way.
ZERO CONFIDENCE.
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how much confidence would you have if your hands were made of stone… and your chest refuses to catch the ball…
December 29th, 2009 at 8:50 am
The addition of losing Sands also helped,imo
LOL!
I actually miss sands and stu, now I have no one to blame for all of life’s miseries.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:50 am
LMAO @ 21!!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
121*
December 29th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
NorthernD Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:14 am
I think DHB is the most negative minded receiver I have ever heard. He doesn’t say ” I want to do this…”
or ” I’m going to do that…”
He speaks in double negatives. His mindset is totally negative. No wonder he’s dropping everything that’s thrown his way.
ZERO CONFIDENCE.
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how much confidence would you have if your hands were made of stone… and your chest refuses to catch the ball…
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I’m sure it must drive Murphy crazy to listen to DHB. The captain of a two-time national championship team. A team that basically ‘willed’ their way to the titles.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:55 am
408,
Do you think he can be worse than Cable? The only HC who was worse than Cable was Art. Every HC we had in the last 10 years was better than Cable and Art, and we had a lot of Coaches in the last 10 years. 6 HCs!
December 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Who do you suggest as coach O? Keep in ming Russell will be back…
December 29th, 2009 at 8:57 am
408,
Jim Fassel wants the Job. I think he can be better than Cable.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Richard Seymour was an upgrade to anyone we would have put in his place. And for that reason he is worth the money. The Raider D-Line has been absolute garbage for 7 years now. This year it was actually below average for a change.
Get a 2-down lane clogging NT this year, and the D-Line can actually become a contributor.
Seymour was an excellent pickup. Much better than the bust cornerback we would have selected next year had Davis kept the pick!
Draft the NT or trade the 1st rounder next year for Shaun Rogers. Yeah, I know, he isn’t worth a 1st rounder, but then again, the bust that Davis drafts in April won’t be either. At least Rogers will give us some production.
With Ellis, Bryant, Rogers, Seymour, Shaughnessy and Scott…with Kelly or Warren rotating in…the Raiders will have a good D-Line.
Please Al Davis, trade the top10 pick this year. YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO DRAFTING IN THE 1ST ROUND! — Bates, Buchanon, Washington, Gallery, Huff, Russell, DMAC, DHB….lets not add to the list!
December 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
=)
December 29th, 2009 at 9:01 am
408RAIDER Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Oh great lets get a new coach that’s worse than the last 1… I don’t understand who you guys think will come in here and coach Jamarcus and deal with Big Al?
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They can get a good HC in there. First step, “know your enemy.”
As long as the new coach preaches the gospel of Al, he will get a chance.
“Throw deep, vertical game, speed kills, man-to-man D, etc.”
He can do what he wants, as long as he can convince Al that he’s running things the “Raider way.”
Gruden did just that. He ran a short passing offence and won with it; But he spoke like he was playing Raider football.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am
If Big Al keeps running the show, it doesn’t matter who the coach/puppet is.
He can put Cable or Jim Fassel or Tracy Jordan out there and we’ll still lose.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
408,
Jim Fassel would be the coach to select once Cable is fired.
If Russell is back, which I believe you are correct in saying, then they might as well scrap the WCO and go to a more downfield attack. Russell and Losman are better suited for that offense and that’s what Davis wants anyway….even if he doesn’t admit it.
Fassell got Kerry Collins to a Super Bowl with a power running attack of Ron Dayne and Tiki Barber.
Quite frankly, I just want Cable fired. I think he’s the worst coach the Raiders have hired in the last 20 years
December 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
SnB….I am all 4 Bush getting a 2nd chance and redeeming himself =)
December 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
RaiderfanNY Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am
If Big Al keeps running the show, it doesn’t matter who the coach/puppet is.
He can put Cable or Jim Fassel or Tracy Jordan out there and we’ll still lose.
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Now you’re getting it. You need an actor at HC. Someone convincing enough to get Al to beleive they are playing ‘Raider’ football, when they’re actually doing something different. (Alec Baldwin is also an option)
December 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
There’s no doubt that Cable is running HIS offense out there.
And there is no doubt that Marshall is running HIS defense.
Problem is Cable just isn’t doing a good job of using his personell and calling plays. Not ONE of the young guys have developed under Cable. From DMAC, Russell, JLH, Bush, to DHB. Nothing!
December 29th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Good mornin 4eva, Snb, O, 408, Pete, NATION!!
December 29th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Davis should trade every 1st and 2nd round pick for actual players or more picks in the 3rd – 7th rounds.
Davis drafts these guys to big money contracts and they let him down.
Draft the 3rd to 7th rounders and get the Height/Weight/Speed guys that will work hard each and every day.
Remember during camp…..Louis Murphy attends Russell’s “Passing Camp….LOL” while DHB couldn’t be bothered. Both were not under contract at the time.
To quote Mike Singletary….”I want winners!”
December 29th, 2009 at 9:09 am
I find it strange that Fassell never got another HC job. does anyone have any ideas why he hasn’t landed any where else?
December 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
And I just can’t get past the Oline being the worst unit on the field. Cable should really be ashamed of that! How is it that we do not have ONE backup OG on the roster? WTF is he doing?
December 29th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Good Morning Raccoon. What do you think of Cable?
December 29th, 2009 at 9:12 am
When did they let you out DirtyRaccoon!?!?! LOL
December 29th, 2009 at 9:12 am
SnB, re post 141. I offered the same idea prior to this year’s draft. Make al trade his 1st & 2nd round picks for a bunch of later picks, and let him sign a ton of combine freaks. At least 2 or 3 will turn out bargains.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
jhill Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
There’s no doubt that Cable is running HIS offense out there.
And there is no doubt that Marshall is running HIS defense.
Problem is Cable just isn’t doing a good job of using his personell and calling plays. Not ONE of the young guys have developed under Cable. From DMAC, Russell, JLH, Bush, to DHB. Nothing!
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To be fair, Louis Murphy seized the day, Mario Henderson has matured into a decent starter…not Pro Bowl or anything..but has brought some stability to a key position……Zach Miller has continued to grow….
If the Coach had let Bush run the ball more, he would have had a top 10 running back IMO…also, Brandon Myers should have seen a lot more time…..
In the end, Cable has to go. AS you said, his personnel groupings are inexplicable and I don’t see it getting better next year.
In fact, if CAble stays, I see Bush and JLH being shown the door. While DHB plays while Murphy is the slot receiver…Because there is a good chance of this happening….Cable needs to go
December 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
SnB,
The leader of the team has to be the HC! Like Sapp said when Cable was first hired, Cable couldn’t lead a bunch of ants to a picnic! Turns out he was right!
I hope Jack Del Rio gets fired! I’d like to see a guy like that, or even Brian Billick coach the Raiders!
Get Harbaugh in here today for an interview!
December 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Jhill,
He worked as an OC for the Ravens with Bill B, and the results were ugly.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
for those of you who adhere to the idea that continuity of coaches and system is the best way to get something going in positive manner for the Raiders – if it ain’t broke don’t fix it, but if it is broke either fix it or get a new one. failed coaches and flawed systems are not reparable. auld lang syne baby, in with the new.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
los raiders de don rober Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Cable uses the word exceptional to describe an offense ranked 31st in the league…can you imagine the orgasm he would go into if the offense ranked 15th?
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okay… no more visuals from you…
December 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
NorthernD
Big Al got rid of Gruden and never liked his offense.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
los raiders de don rober Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 9:12 am
SnB, re post 141. I offered the same idea prior to this year’s draft. Make al trade his 1st & 2nd round picks for a bunch of later picks, and let him sign a ton of combine freaks. At least 2 or 3 will turn out bargains.
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I agree with you 100%…been better with Johnny Knox (5th round) over Darius Heyward-Bey. DHB has to be one of the worst top 10 picks ever.
Hopefully he goes into a cocoon in the offseason and re-emerges as an NFL receiver. We know he is going to get every chance to succeed…while Murphy becomes our slot receiver…
December 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
SnB….I am all 4 Bush getting a 2nd chance and redeeming himself =)
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yeah, so long as he’s blocking and not running…
December 29th, 2009 at 9:22 am
408RAIDER Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
NorthernD
Big Al got rid of Gruden and never liked his offense.
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Never liked his offence AND kept him for 5 years.
He never like Shanahan’s offence and kept him for 12 games.
The difference was that Gruden spoke to Davis and not at him. He told Al what he wanted to hear. That’s the difference. Al needs to have his ego stroked, and any coach that comes in, will have to do that.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Id be very happy with Harbaugh.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Judging off past results, I think it’ll be another no-name, young OC. Somebody not on the radar.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:27 am
It’s not out of the question that Gruden will be back. If we could do Shell II, then Gruden II isn’t so far fetched!
Very surprised that Gruden didn’t end up in Washington. Left a slight crack in the door for his return to Oakland!
December 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
DHB has to be one of the worst top 10 picks ever.
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Seriously SnB? I don’t think he will ever be that good, but that’s a tough list to crack.
I don’t think he is even in the top 5 WR’s bust of top 10 picks (Troy Edwards, Charles Rogers, Mike Williams come off the top of my head)
DHB will always be inconsistant and not worthy of a top 10 picks, but I am confident he will show a few flashes of brilliance to take him out of the all-time bust talk.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Russell Okung, Trent Williams, or Anthony Davis.
Those are the 3 names we need to consider in rd 1.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am
JHill,
I’d be happy if Davis just trades the pick for Shaun Rogers or Barrett Rudd….
December 29th, 2009 at 9:31 am
DHB is going to be a decent player once you get a coach who knows WTF he is doing. 1 reverse all year is ridiculous! No quick slants or getting him matched against a LB or S from the slot is ridiculous.
DHB will be ok, IMO.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I don’t want Cable back, but I am scared of the reports I hear of owners anticipating a 2011 lockout, and not wanting new coaching staffs on the books for that year.
John Fox is one example, and Tom Cable falls right in line with that. Expect lots of lame-duck coaches in 2010 if no new labor-deal gets ironed out.
Instead Al will insist on him hiring an OC, and than having Cable sit-in on an interview of a guy who will be next in line to replace him. Sounds bizarre enough.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:33 am
JHill,
From what I’ve heard, it sounds like Shanahan is going to Washington.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am
No Shaun Rogers. Complete loafer and has always been injury-prone and part of awful defenses. Weight and conditioning is always an issue with him.
No better than Tommy Kelly, except maybe Rogers does block a lot of kicks.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Same with Bush and McFadden, they just need a decent OC.
We should know every Sunday that we are going to see Bush get AT LEAST 15 carries a game. We should know that McFadden will get5 or 6 passes thrown his way via screen plays, or out of the slot. We should see McFadden running to the edges about 10 times per game.
There are just some things we should see week in and week out that we just are not seeing. Like Nnamdi said, we need an identity!
December 29th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Vegas Raider,
Think its coincidence that DHB got his foot stepped on after the K.C game…A game where he drops a TD pass and then bobbles another ball for an INT on a game winning drive?
DHB should not be handed anything in camp next year. Murphy and Schilens are way beyond him now and he will never catch them..and JLH makes enough plays to help the team during games….
DHB was a terrible pick cause everyone knew his limitations.
He needed to be a 2nd or 3rd round pick and brought along gradually. But instead he is syphoning off cap space and playing time from players who produce….even Watkins is ahead of DH-Bust
December 29th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Pete Bush could run and block more the more he is in there,meaning if you get a chance to get in the game and help your TEAM like Trevor Scott or say Tyvon Branch who will play anywhere if it will help the team and get them more playing time.Only a Big Dummy refuses’ playing time,imo
Also when you have players like Scott or Branch that will do anything to help their team win and then you got Bush that DIDNT
That cant be good for the team,imo
December 29th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Instead Al will insist on him hiring an OC, and than having Cable sit-in on an interview of a guy who will be next in line to replace him. Sounds bizarre enough.
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Not really bizzare at all. Actaully would be a pretty smart move to strip Cable of all OC and play calling responsibilties and MAKE him focus on things like meeting with Jamarcus Russell instead of waiting until after the season. Focusing on what’s going on on the field instead of trying to rack his brain for a play to call. Notice how the play always comes in with like 11 seconds on the play clock? Geeze!
An Asst Head Coach/OC would be just what the doctor ordered. And let him bring in a QB coach and WR coach, and let Cable run the Oline. Would also allow us to keep Marshall and see what year 2 brings for him.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:41 am
that was last year 4eva..
December 29th, 2009 at 9:42 am
why play football if you’re gonna refuse to play football?….I’m waiting
December 29th, 2009 at 9:42 am
SnB,
I don’t disagree, but on one hand you can’t get mad at team for playing him, than not give them credit for putting him on ice for the last quarter of the season.
I like you, don’t believe the foot-injury fully. He should not get anything next year as far as starting time, but just like Russell, you drafted him and at least have to give him an opportunity to live up to their draft-billing.
But WR was a huge need for this team, our 2008 WR production was the worst in the history of the NFL. Literally!!!
Wrong player, right position.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:43 am
O, I think cable is a awesome line coach, and a good head coach, but he is no play caller/ O coord!
I think if we had a better play from or qb, we would have won at least 2 more games. I don’t think Cable is great at putting using his players in a way to get the best out of the bunch.
We NEED better “FIT” DT’s also.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:44 am
“I don’t want to go out there and not be able to make plays,” Heyward-Bey said.
The first thing he said was ” I DON’T WANT TO GO OUT THERE…”
If you heard a boxer start a quote like that, you’d throw in the towel. The guy’s heart is just not in it.
Go back and check any quote by Miller or Murphy, or Marvin Harrison or Larry Fitzgerald or Jerry Rice.
They would never start a sentence that way.
DHB is done. He doesn’t want to play.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Eva, I am sittin at my desk lookin out the window @ 4 does, and 6 fawns. I have a smoked Bear shank in the Crock Pot with some Northern, Navy, and Pinto beans. Gonna make some bizkits later too.
I got a 3X3 on the last day of the season, my pop’s got a nice Black Bear on Opening week. Took the hind 1/4’s and Hammed them. Turned out great.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 9:42 am
why play football if you’re gonna refuse to play football?….I’m waiting
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That didn’t even happen when Cable was head coach did it? And Bush was well within his right to refuse a position chance. The man is a great HB and he isn’t the physical type player that he needs to be as a FB. He would have been nuts to change positions. The Raiders may have decided to keep him at FB and suddenly Bush goes from a position of glory and money to a position that is important, but that doesn’t get the glory or make the money.
Only an idiot would have allowed the Raiders to change his position to FB…if the Raiders wanted a FB, they should have signed a blocking FB when Oneal went down instead of trying to mess with Bush’s career.
Asking a guy to switch from fs to ss or from de to olb is one thing, but asking a man to switch from hb to fb is a major change, in both skill sets and earning potential.
Bush was right, the Raiders were wrong…if that puts him in the doghouse until he can sign with a team that will properly utilize his skills, then so be it…the Raiders will regret it, not Bush.
December 29th, 2009 at 9:54 am
J,
The “bizarre” part of it comes from Cable being involved in the process of hiring someone who will be looking to take his job if he fails. What companies do that?
But I do agree with you, get a real OC and let Cable focus on the “rah-rah” aspect of things and his great “game management” (lol)
I remember asking Jerry in one of his chats before the year, if the Raiders would not hire an OC to save a little money. Jerry said, “They WILL hire an OC”
Great call Jerry!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 10:00 am
The Raiders run D has been awful for the last 6-7 years, and you have to wonder what is the root cause.
We have a great tackling secondary, with Nmamdi and Branch being among the leaders in tackles at their position for help in the run D.
We also added, this year alone, a Pro-Bowl level player (Seymour), a savy veteran (Gregg Ellis) and a 3rd round pick who is among the best at his position in the rookie class (Shaughnessy).
So what gives? The LB’s I say. No upgrade at that position for years. Have to get a play-maker amongst one of the 3 LB’s. Morrison is regressing, and Howard is inconsistant, and our 3rd LB has been a revolving door of guys the last 6+ years.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Vegas Raider,
I am pleased that DHB was put on ice. However, like Russell, why do we have to wait until mid-season when we knew this during training camp?
The Raiders, meaning Al Davis, has to let the best players play out of the gate. The Raiders are throwing away entire seasons based on this in-season scholarship stuff. Seasons!
I wish Davis would step back from the 53 man roster. That’s all Gruden wanted. Davis can control the draft, free agency, roster cuts etc….but let the doggone coaching staff pick the starters based on PERFORMANCE ON THE PRACTICE FIELD AND PRODUCTION IN GAMES.
The Raiders, read Al Davis, threw away the season trying to force a Russell/DHB square peg into a round hole.
Cable also gets the blame for icing Michael Bush and Johnnie Lee Higgins all year.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:05 am
If I remember correctly, Michael Bush lined up at FB anyway. He didn’t refuse to play the position…he just wasn’t happy about it. And why should he be happy about it. He sees himself as an elite running back…
On a side note, Justin Fargas should be the FB. He runs with reckless energy right into linebackers and D-Lineman on every play and he can block. Plus his YPC is in-line with a FB.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:07 am
SnB,
So did Davis force Fargas on us too?
Go back to Jeff Garcia for a second. He as much as told you that Cable’s philosophy was going to be something that the team was not ready for. A flat out air attack featuring Jamarcus Russell. That was CABLE’s plan.
Al told you he wanted to see a lot more Mike Bush and power 2 TE sets. He told you that Chaz and JLH were GREAT WRs. We haven’t seen ANY of that! Davis had been know to meddle with the defense, not the O. This in ept O is all on Cable.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:09 am
SnB,
Again, don’t disagree Al needing to step away from starting spots and the final 53. No doubt about that.
WR is a little easier to ease a guy in during a game/season, than QB. Russell deserved the right to start week 1 due to his draft status, and he didn’t play that bad opening night. But after that awful Broncos game in week 3 is when he should have been benched. Maybe should have been at halftime.
I think JLH put himself on ice. How many drops, awful kick-returns and lack of effort on over the middle passes must we endure? He doesn’t play like he trusts his QB, coach or blocking. Part of it is just, and part of it is him taking a humongous step backwards in 2009. His roster spot should be in jeopardy next year, IMO, especially if Nick Miller can ever fix his shins and can return both kicks/punts.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:10 am
I like Cable but he should be demoted bak to the O-line.
Or maybe even kept as HC but with a new OC I could live with cause I agree with a lot of his HC decisions and they seem to workout but the play calling is atrocious. Having Frye chuck it up 45 times while DMcf and Bush combining for 17 carries!!?!!
I thought he should have gone 70% run and 30% pass… he went the exact opposite. I’m not even capable of coaching HS teams but I knew that running the ball was going to give us the best chance tyo win. WTF!!
Frye sucked then and sucks now…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Vegas Raider..
JLH is a chicken sh!t.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Nick Miller? LOL…the 1st undrafted free agent to go 16 weeks on IR…
I don’t think an established and productive veteran would receive such treatment
December 29th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Gruden was traded for a couple of draft picks.
Trade the Cable Guy! Oughta be able to get a po’ boy sandwich for him. Heck, throw Randy Hansen in the deal and ya might get a coupla soup bones as well.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:14 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 9:42 am
why play football if you’re gonna refuse to play football?….I’m waiting
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schitt, sorry… didn’t know you were waiting…
sometimes i do other things…
Bush is a running back… a ball carrier…
he knows that…
what they wanted him to do was career suicide… no way was that bullschit going to be temporary…
also… and i did say this before…
i would never apprentice myself to someone who isn’t better than me…
my attitude right now about this crap is that Cable needs to go… if not, then trade Bush to another team…
and then all you Fargas supporters can whine about why didn’t we keep him…
also… if fargas was so good, why did it take him 4 years to become first team???
why were the Raiders always looking for a better solution at running back???
Bush is way the best back… he knows it… i’ll bet fargas and mctiptoe know it too…
think of this: if you were a finish carpenter and was asked to do framework (thinking that this may not be reversible) would you do it??? would you do it if you knew the pay was less??? would you do it if you knew it was a dead end career path???
Bush, were it not for a broken leg… would have been a 1st round pick… we got him cheap in the 4th…
but true to the Raider way… it’s not about what you can do… it’s about the reach around you give Al or the HC…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:19 am
10/14/2009 Signed T Langston Walker, FB Oren O’Neal waived/injured
10/07/2009 Released CB/KR Justin Miller; re-signed RB Gary Russell
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We resigned G.Russell because when OO went down we only had Lawton left as a FB and we needed another one and…..
December 29th, 2009 at 10:19 am
The players the team should target with a top 10 or top 8 pick…..should be (of course Suh, but he will be gone within top 3 picks) RDE prospect Derrick Morgan, 3-Technique DT Gerald McCoy, OT Bruce Campbell, OT Russell Okung.
The MLB the Raiders should probably look at ahead of Spikes is the BEAST MLB from Kentucky Micah Johnson. 6′2, 255. Built like a brickhouse and plays like Jon Beason they say. Doubt he lasts until round 2.
Three things are for certain…..the dumb old man better not pick the overweight two down player Cody….or another SS in Mays or a freakin CB with that top 8-10 pick!
The other necessary moves for this team is hiring a REAL GM AND REAL HC who are WINNERS!!
December 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Dknight007,
Don’t kill the messanger but Javier Arenas, DB/KR of Alabama, is the best collegiate kick-returner ever, an all-american DB and runs a 4.3 on a national championship level team.
I hope you welcome him to Raider Nation with open arms, lol.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:24 am
—”Coach Tom Cable may have sealed his fate with owner Al Davis when he suggested Monday that the Raiders could have made the playoffs if not for JaMarcus Russell’s early-season play. “You know we would have,” Cable responded to a question about the Raiders gunning for a Wild Card spot. Though Cable seems a tad over-confident, the Raiders were 2-7 in Russell’s starts while improving to 3-3 in games started by Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye. Davis will have to choose between his head coach and his hand-picked 2007 No. 1 overall pick this offseason.”—
December 29th, 2009 at 10:25 am
LOL Vegas,
Does ANYONE have this kid as a 1st rd pick?
CB actually wouldn’t be a bad pick this year. Let Routt walk, and move CJ to the nickle.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Here’s his bio:
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/arenas_javier00.html
But all you need to read is at the bottom,”also a track star in the 200 and 400-meter events ”
There it is our next draft pick!!! Hey if he can return kicks like he does in college and can be an upgrade of Routt and ultimately CJ, I will take it.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:28 am
And his cousing is Mr. Habachi himself, Gilbert Arenas.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Michael Bush sealed his fate when he publicly advocated for Kevin Gilbride as HC last offseason. Cable is a sensitive bully, as all women beaters are, so he took it out on Bush all year…even to the detriment of the team.
Hey, Al Davis might actually respect that from Cable since Al did the same thing to Marcus Allen.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:31 am
JHill,
I think he is a projected 2nd rounder. Our saving grace is that, although a track star, apparently they say he lacks the straight-line speed, and is only 5′9.
Which means he is probably a great football player, but doesn’t have the “measurables” Al desires, so we won’t draft him and he will become a Pro-Bowler.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am
vegas raider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 10:31 am
JHill,
I think he is a projected 2nd rounder. Our saving grace is that, although a track star, apparently they say he lacks the straight-line speed, and is only 5′9.
Which means he is probably a great football player, but doesn’t have the “measurables” Al desires, so we won’t draft him and he will become a Pro-Bowler.
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ah, man…
everybody shout it with me…
NO MORE MIDGETS… NO MORE MIDGETS… NO MORE MIDGETS…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
I dont know the answer to any of those questions Pete but as I’ve stated many times I think Dmac is our best back….
December 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Yes, Pete, what we need is more big, track star types.
It is working so well!!!!
Can we get a football player occasionally, you know like the type that dominate the SEC.
That’s all I want is production. Bruce over Jamarcus. Crabtree over DHB.
No more TRACK STARS…..NO MORE TRACK STARS
December 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
vegas raider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 10:31 am
JHill,
I think he is a projected 2nd rounder. Our saving grace is that, although a track star, apparently they say he lacks the straight-line speed, and is only 5′9.
Which means he is probably a great football player, but doesn’t have the “measurables” Al desires, so we won’t draft him and he will become a Pro-Bowler.
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A top 10 pick as a kick returner. That makes Raider sense. Maybe use the 2nd rounder on a back-up long snapper…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
4evaRaider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 10:40 am
I dont know the answer to any of those questions Pete but as I’ve stated many times I think Dmac is our best back….
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the evidence says otherwise…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
A top 10 pick as a kick returner. That makes Raider sense. Maybe use the 2nd rounder on a back-up long snapper…
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LOL!
December 29th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Florida Pete,
You’re right about Bush changing roles. That would be career suicide. If anyone should change, it should be Fargas. He could put on 20 lbs, and he likes running into people anyway.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Well IMO Dmac is our best back abd will continue to improve
December 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am
A top 10 pick as a kick returner. That makes Raider sense. Maybe use the 2nd rounder on a back-up long snapper…
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yes, it is the only thing keeping us out of the playoffs…
woe is us… for want of a long-snapper… the playoffs would await…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
He is the best cornerback in the country Northern D!!!
I don’t think we should go DB in round 1, I would prefer LB, but this dude is a stud.
Remember the difference Hester made for the Bears? He was a 3rd round pick, and nowhere near the defensive player as Arenas.
Production, production, production….that’s what we need to focus on. Everybody wants an O-lineman, but if we take that kid from Maryland with the best forty time for an OT on a crappy offense, he will be a bust.
I just want the most productive player at the position we draft. Doesn’t matter to me what position, this Raiders team can be upgraded at literally every position but kicker.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Statiscally we are the worst team at returning kicks, and one of the worst returning punts.
This had to be addressed!! If it is Nick Miller fine. If it is Areans in round 2, fkn fantastic.
With our inept offense, an occasionally kick/punt returner to shorten the field would do wonders.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Anyone see Favre splike the ball last night and get no flag? The double standard in this league makes it unfair and unwatchable sometimes. I mean what happens EVERY time a Raider does that? Yeah, 15 yrds. OR in Zach Miller’s case, drops the ball, not even spiking it. Rediculous.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
We have Nick Miller, we don’t need Arenas as a KR.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Why go for an itty bitty Red Tider when you can go for the best? Draft Usain Bolt. Mount Davis could then be turned into a Jamaican Smoking Area.
Might not make for a better football team but there would be plenty of smiles and very happy gulls.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:52 am
^^^^ I like the way you’re thinking M…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
It would be easy to fix this problem ….
Eliminate the FB-HB distinction and have 2 RB’s….
Bush and Dmac together on all downs every down would be an extremely hard duo to defence.
If anyone can forward this up the line please do so
December 29th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Jim Fassell’s kid did a hellova job ruining the return game…. Isn’t Cable in contract for next year? Al would have to fire him for cause if that were the case. Time to polish up the ol’ overhead projector baby!
December 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/rumor-mill.php?id=098677
I thought our mod was bad…
December 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
M Lonetree 4 President
December 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 5-10
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
5 Head Coaches, 8 Starting QB’s.
Scapegoating anyone but Al Davis is useless.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:58 am
vegas raider,
I’ve been glancing at some of the mock drafts and scouting reports and haven’t seen his name at the top of any list. It will all change by March anyway.
Taking a CB first, I would disagree with that, but to throw in the Kick returner arguement will get a definite negative response.
I think we stand a better chance of taking Usain Bolt in the 7th.
December 29th, 2009 at 10:58 am
How far will Al trade up to over draft Taylor Mays?
December 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am
KoolKell Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
The 80yr old GM produces this:
09′ 5-10
08′ 5-11
07′ 4-12
06′ 2-14
05′ 4-12
04′ 5-11
03′ 4-12
5 Head Coaches, 8 Starting QB’s.
Scapegoating anyone but Al Davis is useless.
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Agreed.
Soooooooooooo, now what do we talk about?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:02 am
the rules changes ruined our return game…
if i didn’t know better, i would swear that the league saw that the Raiders were getting good at something… then decided that just could not be allowed to stand…
hence the rule change this past summer:
The kicking team now is prohibited from bunching too many players in the middle of the field, or on a single side of the field. That eliminates dangerous scrambles involving too many players on onside kicks.
The receiving team now is prohibited from using a blocking “wedge” of more than two players on a kickoff return.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Florida Pete,
I think those had more to do with concussions. Once a game you’d see the wedge, or wedge buster laying on the ground with a bent coconut.
Bringing in the no contact after 5 yards, was definitely brought in to defeat the Raiders man defence.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Pete, that rule didn’t seem to hurt other teams’ speacial teams play…
We should have never allowed our ST coach to leave for USC…the loss of schneider and Rathman over the past two seasons has really hirt this team. I don’t care if they were kiffin guys, they were producing results and should have been retained at all costs.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Keep the onus on Davis, and quit scapegoating others without the power to change anything.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Does anyone know how much Cable makes as HC? Couldn’t be more than 1 mill right?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Northern D,
LOL at Usain Bolt. He doesn’t have to go through the draft process, if we want him we can sign him today.
Kick-return is a big part of the game, and has crippled our offense with awful field-position all year. Again, it was a joke about Arenas (drafting a DB at #7), but if you think PR/KR is not important than I can’t help you.
My whole point is to draft production, not measurables, you know like the whole DHB/Crabtree deal that worked so brilliantly for us. Arenas is one of the best CB’s in the country, and I think an immediate difference-maker. If he is there in the 2nd and we pass on him, we will regret it. And if we pass on him, it will be because he is 5′9 and Al will rather draft a DB from the University of Tulsa who runs a 4.3 and is 6′2.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am
please…
my al davis apologist days are over…
results matter…
i have a business partner who likes to tout his 30 plus years in the business…
at our last meeting i told him that those 30 years mean nothing to me… what he has done over the past 3 years is all that matters…
results matter…
December 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Got to run for an hour or so, hopefully I can get in on Jerry’s back end of his chat.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am
And if Cable is hoping to make this a public choice between Russell and Cable, Davis’ 100 percent history is to go with the player, then try to find a better coach.
The Raiders aren’t typically fond of finding a middle ground, but there is one here: Russell and Cable have failed each other.
Russell is out of shape, slouches through Raiders HQ, shows no leadership ability and generally acts like he’s entitled to a job that he never earned.
But Cable and his staff are the grown-ups here. They’re supposed to reach Russell either with amazing teaching technique or tough love or great schemes or whatever it took.
Nothing worked. And Cable doesn’t want the blame. Tom, how did you do this year coaching the QBs?
“I think at times an exceptional job and at times an average job,” Cable said.
Imagine how poorly Russell would have played if Cable wasn’t doing such an exceptional job with him!
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LMFAO!
Kawakami made a funny!
December 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
vegas raider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Northern D,
LOL at Usain Bolt. He doesn’t have to go through the draft process, if we want him we can sign him today.
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Are you sure? I thought all players have to declare for a draft before they can just sign with a team. I know baseball has an exception for foreign players, but I didn’t think the NFL had that same exception.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Pete,
That rule was put in because that dude from the Bills got paralyzed on a kick return with the wedge.
Although it’s worth noting that the Texans clearly used a wedge on that kick return TD against us and it wasn’t flagged.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
KoolKell is simply keeping the focus where it belongs. Its easy to get distracted with discussion about coaches and 1st round busts.
Al Davis makes all of these disasterous decisions
December 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Vegas,
I agree that KR/PR is an important part of the game. I remember Rich Upchurch of the donkeys scaring the cr@p out of me. But that is something better addressed with a later round pick. Running full speed into an oncoming mass of humanity requires financial incentive.
As for taking a 5′9″ CB, it just doesn’t seem likely with Al, however talented he may be. They were fools for passing on Ed Reed and Bob Sanders, but they just didn’t meet the Raider standard.
I’m sure you can just look at a list of prospects by now and figure out which ones are on the Raider list and which ones aren’t.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Can’t make it to the chat today. Someone please ask Jerry this:
What are the chances Cable stays under each of the following circumstances: A) We get blown out by Baltimore. B) Lose a close, competitive game. C) Win.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:18 am
408,
that link you gave regarding the Colts forum reminded me of something Dilfer said last night. Trent said that no matter how much NFL coaches and executives deny that there is an influence, behind closed doors many decision makers ARE influenced by the press, the fans and the talking head opinionators.
Good for Caldwell and Polian that they didn’t listening to the talking heads and they rested their meal tickets in a meaningless game (that the donks are now squarely behind the eight ball because of the Jets victory vindicates the decision completely). If Addai or Clark or Wayne or any of the others had ripped a knee by playing then those same fans so outraged that the Colts dared to lose a regular season game for the first time in a year and a half would have been howling at the waste.
Fan(atacism) is an untrustworthy base for decision making.
Can anyone be as selfish as the players of the Florida Gator football team? They beg a man who has had heart problems for four years to continue to coach them even if it might kill him. A new low reached.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:19 am
I had to laugh when Cable was touting 6 wins as some great goal or achievement for this team at the press conference. Wow, that would be a 1 game improvement over last season…sign that man up to an extension!
Imagine how good we will be in 7 years under Cable!!!!!
December 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
what i don’t understand is a team’s willingness to pay an unproven rookie the same as an established free agent…
at a minimum, i would dispatch coaching staff around the country to investigate every potential 1st round pick that i might be interested in…
the objective: investigate character and dedication to football… interview not just coaches but friends, relatives, enemies, pastors, teachers, anybody with anything to say about the kid…
i know i said it before… but if it’s my money and i have a top 15 pick… i draft a solid 3rd rounder and offer 3rd round money… take it, leave it, wouldn’t matter to me… but i won’t be out 30 million over some 20 year old…
December 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Finally this effing decade is ending nothing but busts and bubbles.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:23 am
What do you guys think about Trindon Holliday, the KR/PR/RB/WR from LSU in the middle rounds of the draft? He’s like 5-6, 165 or something but runs a 4.2 and is extremely quick. Could be another Sproles.
I know Al is all about Height/Weight/Speed guys and Holliday is only one of those things. But I think he could be a real big-play weapon. And big plays are what you need to win in the NFL right now. Plus we need a legitimate KR — who ever heard of using fullbacks to return kicks?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Dakota,
a friend of mine works at the Westin on Maui and he said that the whole Ken Griffey clan (senior and junior etc.) was in the bar watching football last night. My friend identified himself as a Cubs fan and Griffey offered to buy him a drink out of sympathy.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Ouch lol
December 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
drafting in the top of the draft produces more busts than football players. Trade down and get more picks for less money.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Florida Pete,
who would you send on the scouting assignment? Randy Hansen?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:28 am
trading down used to be a very viable option…
the problem today is that no team wants to draft in the top ten…
too damned expensive and the reward is simply not worth the risk…
i’m trying to think of the last time a team traded INTO the top ten from a place more than 5 spots lower…
anybody??? anybody??? bueller???
December 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
drafting in the top of the draft produces more busts than football players. Trade down and get more picks for less money.
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Every team knows that…hence the difficulty of trading down out of the top ten. Most teams now what to know what you will give THEM to take on the burden of that top ten draft pick.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
New England in 2011
December 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
M Lonetree Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Florida Pete,
who would you send on the scouting assignment? Randy Hansen?
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after looking at his picture… and establishing that he is someone whose butt i would probably want to kick… yes…
i would probably do anything to get that guy out of my building…
December 29th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Trade your picks in advance for established players today
December 29th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Florida Pete Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:28 am
trading down used to be a very viable option…
the problem today is that no team wants to draft in the top ten…
too damned expensive and the reward is simply not worth the risk…
i’m trying to think of the last time a team traded INTO the top ten from a place more than 5 spots lower…
anybody??? anybody??? bueller???
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Jets traded from 17th to 5th to draft Sanchez last year I think, but it doesn’t happen too often anymore.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Dakota: good job…
December 29th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Seymour for 2011 pick ?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
– Cable, asked to review his own performance as offensive coordinator and play-caller, had the following response.
“I think at times an exceptional job and at times an average job. I look at it that way, kind of nothing in between really. As I said, that has to get better, too.”
Wow, these statements sound eerily similar to JaMarcus Russell when he is asked about his qb play. If Cable thinks that he has been an “exceptional” play caller then he is sipping on the same syrup as Russell.
Dakota was right all along. Fire Cable.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:34 am
i don’t think cable got the memo: just win baby
December 29th, 2009 at 11:34 am
The unfortunate thing is that they have a scouting staff that probably does it’s homework and digs into the players’ background, but then Al comes down the day before the draft and re-arranges the order.
That’s how they continually end up with garbage.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
RaiderDogg Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Dakota was right all along. Fire Cable.
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Yeah I caught on to Cable’s BS 14 months ago, but now that you guys are finally seeing the light I won’t be too hard on all of you.
lol
December 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Dakota Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
RaiderDogg Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Dakota was right all along. Fire Cable.
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Yeah I caught on to Cable’s BS 14 months ago, but now that you guys are finally seeing the light I won’t be too hard on all of you.
lol
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I am just too damn optimistic for my own good. One day I will learn to take your words to heart…
December 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Cable is a clown.
So Robert Gallery being out games 3-8 didn’t impact the offense?
Chris Morris in the starting lineup weeks 3-8 didn’t matter?
Erik Pears and Khalif Barnes starting at OT didn’t matter?
DHB and Fargas starting didn’t matter?
Satele not knowing the line calls didn’t matter?
Schillens being out for 9 weeks didn’t matter?
Cable is CRAZY to say that we would be in the playoff chase with a different QB! I’d like to know which games we actaully would have won with a different QB?
We should have won the opening night game and the KC game after the bye. Both those games had dropped TD passes by rookie WRs and we lost by less than a TD. Other than those 2 games, when did we even have a chance to win another game?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Dakota,
Thank you for showing the way.
Any other words of enlightenment?
December 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
RaiderDogg Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Dakota Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
RaiderDogg Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Dakota was right all along. Fire Cable.
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Yeah I caught on to Cable’s BS 14 months ago, but now that you guys are finally seeing the light I won’t be too hard on all of you.
lol
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I am just too damn optimistic for my own good. One day I will learn to take your words to heart…
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Dogg, they just tried to sell us a glass of warm piss and called it lemonade. I just took a whiff before I drank it…then said thanks but no thanks. Can’t blame you for being optimistic though…I just have a tough time with optimism when it comes to Al Davis and the Raiders.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
drafting in the top of the draft produces more busts than football players. Trade down and get more picks for less money.
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Exactly….we say the samething freakin thing over and over again for the last 7 years but the old man loves spending big money on unproven top 8 talent and making crazy reach picks like DHB and not doing his homework with Russell #1.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:49 am
260-
Yeah but this idea of trading future picks for experienced players might be a new trend to avoid paying rookies big money contracts.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:49 am
NorthernD Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Dakota,
Thank you for showing the way.
Any other words of enlightenment?
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Yes, but it involves politics…
December 29th, 2009 at 11:50 am
I just would like to have seen how this season turned out had we not had the early crucial injuries.
Schillens, Miller, Gallery, Morrison, Ellis, and Green.
I really think we beat SD on opening night with a healthy Schillens and Nick Miller. And with Morrsion not being fresh of a elbow dislocation.
Going into the Denver game 2-0 with a Gallery starting instead of Morris would have made a difference. Same with having Schillens and Murphy.
Too many things for an inexperieced rookie HC and play caller to juggle this season.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:52 am
jhill Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:50 am
I just would like to have seen how this season turned out had we not had the early crucial injuries.
Schillens, Miller, Gallery, Morrison, Ellis, and Green.
I really think we beat SD on opening night with a healthy Schillens and Nick Miller. And with Morrsion not being fresh of a elbow dislocation.
Going into the Denver game 2-0 with a Gallery starting instead of Morris would have made a difference. Same with having Schillens and Murphy.
Too many things for an inexperieced rookie HC and play caller to juggle this season.
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That is Cable’s main argument when meeting with Al next week begging to keep his job.
Al should look at him and say, “So what? Every team deals with injuries every single year. What is your next excuse fat man?”
December 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I expect Javon Walker to make a big impact against the Ravens.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
My wife and I got rid of cable last year and now we get much better reception … perhaps it is time for the Raiders organization to follow suit and dump their Cable!
December 29th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Dakota,
He might have had a half of a chance with Al if he went in with that argument instead of Jamarcus Russell killed the team.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am
# Lynn from Snot Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I expect Javon Walker to make a big impact against the Ravens.
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… only if he hits somebody out of bounds!
December 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# jhill Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:50 am
I just would like to have seen how this season turned out had we not had the early crucial injuries.
Schillens, Miller, Gallery, Morrison, Ellis, and Green.
I really think we beat SD on opening night with a healthy Schillens and Nick Miller. And with Morrsion not being fresh of a elbow dislocation.
Going into the Denver game 2-0 with a Gallery starting instead of Morris would have made a difference. Same with having Schillens and Murphy.
Too many things for an inexperieced rookie HC and play caller to juggle this season.
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Of the ones you mentioned, just give me a healthy Gallery and Schillens and the Kirk Morrison from the past two years, and I think we’re alright.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Cable will be fired by this time next week and Big Al will be waiting to see which assistant coach in the Super Bowl will be his next head coach.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
lmfaoooooooo @ post #267
December 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Zach Miller has not been used nearly enough this year.
Nick Miller was pretty much used up when he arrived.
December 29th, 2009 at 11:59 am
raidertbone,
Did you get a HD antenna?
December 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Cable will be fired by this time next week and Big Al will be waiting to see which assistant coach in the Super Bowl will be his next head coach.
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Some unknowing assistant coach out there somewhere just doesn’t realize how happy his next two (?) years are going to be!
December 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Dakota Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
RaiderDogg Says:
Dogg, they just tried to sell us a glass of warm piss and called it lemonade. I just took a whiff before I drank it…then said thanks but no thanks. Can’t blame you for being optimistic though…I just have a tough time with optimism when it comes to Al Davis and the Raiders.
^^^^^^^^
Thats what amazes me about this franchise. Al and his cronies love trying to sell the fans a crap product hoping it works.
This year proved that it’s over….with all the blackouts and the embarassing billboard along with the Cable controversy. It’s pretty obvious the fans have had a enough of Al Davis bullcrap!
December 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Just some info to chew on about the 2010 capless year…very informative, especially the part about the top 8 teams being limited in free agency:
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Threat of ‘11 strike spoils feel-good days before draft
Writer: Peter King SI
I normally hate writing about labor and things like looming strikes. You hate reading about that stuff. But I’m going to write about it here today, and I will make this commitment to you: I won’t do it again, at least not at the top of the column, until something really significant occurs that you need to know about.
I’m writing now because I think there’s so much misinformation out there, and I want you to have a bedrock of knowledge so you’ll be able to rebuke the office know-it-all if he says, “Hey, no more NFL after this year. They’re going on strike. Did you hear?”
Now there’s a wet-blanket lead for you. But I want you to understand why, a little more than two weeks before the draft, I’m taking the top of the column to cover labor issues. I promise it won’t be too painful. Give me five minutes.
***
First things first: There is no danger of the NFL being interrupted by a labor dispute in 2008, 2009 or 2010.
When NFL owners ratified a new collective bargaining agreement two years ago, it allowed for either the owners or the players’ union — if they were dissatisfied with the new deal — to opt out of the CBA, beginning in November 2008. That’s likely to happen seven months from now. If it does, this season will be wholly unaffected, as will 2009, when teams play with a salary cap of approximately $123 million per club. The 2010 season would be played without a salary cap if a new contract between players and owners is not reached.
And that’s where most of the misinformation has come in. The rules for the 2010 season are significantly more restrictive for players than they currently are, so players and agents waiting out the next two years for a pot of gold in the uncapped year are going to be disappointed. The 2010 rules for player movement:
FREE AGENCY: Currently, players who are unsigned and have finished at least four NFL seasons are free. In the 2010 market, players will be free if they are unsigned after at least their sixth NFL season. In other words, 2009 would have to be a player’s sixth season, and he would have to enter 2010 unsigned. Let’s use Cleveland wide receiver Braylon Edwards as an example. In his original rookie contract, signed in 2005, the final year is 2009, which would be his fifth NFL season. Ordinarily, he’d be a free-agent in 2010 — if the team didn’t sign him before then or place a franchise tag on him. But under the 2010 rules, he won’t be a free-agent.
MORE RESTRICTIONS VIA FRANCHISE AND TRANSITION TAGS: Each team now can use one franchise-player tag and one transition-player tag — which pay the tagged player, respectively, the average of the top five and top 10 salaries at his position. In 2010, the revised deal would allow each team the use of a second transition tag. If a team chose to use all its tags, it could stop its best three players from hitting the unrestricted free-agent market.
RESTRICTIONS FOR THE TOP EIGHT TEAMS IN FOOTBALL: If the uncapped year is reached, the teams with the best eight records in football in 2009 will be severely restricted from jumping into the pool. It’s still not precisely determined how the system would work, but let’s say the Patriots are one of the top eight and want to sign a free-agent to a five-year, $20-million contract. They’d have to lose their own player or players to contracts totaling $20 million before they could sign the free-agent they want. Conceptually, that’s how this clause in the deal is going to work, but the exact mechanics of it are not clear yet. The purpose is very clear: The best teams are going to have tight leashes in free agency. And I can tell you from talking to a few traditionally good teams at the league meetings last week, they’re not happy about it.
All told, teams would be able to protect more players with tags, and would have fewer free agents because of the six-year rule, and the best eight teams would be playing with one hand tied behind their back. This is a good system for the players?
Five of the eight richest players in free agency this year would not have been unrestricted free-agents in an uncapped system requiring six years of service. Defensive lineman Tommy Kelly (Raiders) had four years of service and would have been restricted, as would five-year vets Jeff Faine (Bucs), Lance Briggs (Bears), Calvin Pace (Jets) and Asante Samuel (Eagles).
In 2011 and beyond? Murky times. The union could disband and try to rewrite the rules of engagement with the NFL, as it did in the ’80s to try to break a labor stalemate. The league could try to unilaterally adopt bargaining terms. There could be a strike. That season is three-and-a-half years away, and to think the two sides couldn’t figure out some way to divvy up $8 billion or $9 billion a year … There’s a better chance of Brett Favre quarterbacking the Bears this year.
Now, the fear around football is that some very rich man — Jerry Jones, Dan Snyder, Woody Johnson — will grab hold of the free market in 2010 and make it their personal playground. Jones especially, because his new stadium, with personal-seat license fees as high as $150,000 per seat, will put his revenue stream far above other owners. I asked Jones whether he’d ever be a Steinbrenner if the market allowed it.
“I am so grounded in the thinking that higher payrolls don’t win Super Bowls,” Jones said. “Remember — one year when we won the Super Bowl [in the '90s], we had the second-lowest payroll in football. I’ve never experienced success throwing money at players. I never see myself doing that .”
He’s right. After seeing the Patriots win three Super Bowls this decade with a fairly anonymous team, there’s no proof that big spending means big wins.
As to how we got to this point, I won’t get too technical on you, but the previous CBA was very owner-friendly. Because of all the ancillary revenue (like luxury box fees) that wasn’t included in revenue-sharing, the players, who theoretically were supposed to be getting 60 percent of the gross revenue the game produced, were getting about 54 percent. So on March 8, 2006, owners approved a deal that would allow owners to skim 5 percent off the top of gross revenues, with an increasing percentage scale (60.75 percent this year) of the remaining 95 percent of the revenue going to the players. Seems easy enough, but for some owners, it was like going to bed and waking up to find their mortgage rate had gone up four points.
In the last few months, as the economic climate in the country has worsened, teams that need to borrow money for either new stadium financing or major stadium renovations (Giants, Jets, Cowboys, Panthers, Dolphins) have found the NFL’s lending branch has run dry. So teams needing money are looking increasingly toward private financing and bond issues.
For teams that don’t have the revenue of a New England or a Dallas, it’s imperative to get that $87 million check, as the NFL passed out for network TV dough in 2007. But with the salary cap $29 million higher than that this year, and rising $7 million next year, struggling markets like Buffalo and Jacksonville and New Orleans are playing in a different league than the haves right now. And it’s getting worse each year.
Back to reality. The system needs to change. But the landscape has three years of business-as-usual before the sky really does fall … if it ever does. I don’t think it will.
“He listens to me. I don’t know what he does with it, but he listens to me.”
–Oakland coach Lane Kiffin on the frosty relationship he has with owner/GM/free-agent savant Al Davis of the Raiders.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Trade our no. 1 for Cutler
December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:59 am
raidertbone,
Did you get a HD antenna?
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No, we got a big dish — about the size of JaMarcus’s dinner plate!
December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
tbone, i hope zmiller doesnt play this week. frye left him oout to dry on at least 4 throws last game. took a few good shots. he did play well, but i dont see any reason to play him. he’s fresh of the concussion, and established as our starting TE. this is a meaningless game. by winning, we may help the donks anyway. just rather not see the guy get another concus. in a game that may effect only tom cable. and our draft status of course
December 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
raidertbone Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:59 am
raidertbone,
Did you get a HD antenna?
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No, we got a big dish — about the size of JaMarcus’s dinner plate!
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It must block out the sun.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
# new englandraider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
tbone, i hope zmiller doesnt play this week. frye left him oout to dry on at least 4 throws last game. took a few good shots. he did play well, but i dont see any reason to play him. he’s fresh of the concussion, and established as our starting TE. this is a meaningless game. by winning, we may help the donks anyway. just rather not see the guy get another concus. in a game that may effect only tom cable. and our draft status of course
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For this week, I agree with you. Even though I am making the trip from the East Coast and would like to see Zach play, they just need to turn it over to Stewart and Meyers this time around. Hopefully, Frye can put up some good numbers (without all the picks) and we can be competitive. I would absolutely LOVE knocking the little black crows out of the playoffs.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
slight delay in chat. maybe cable slapped up jerry
December 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
raidertbone Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
# NorthernD Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 11:59 am
raidertbone,
Did you get a HD antenna?
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No, we got a big dish — about the size of JaMarcus’s dinner plate!
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It must block out the sun.
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It’s “sometimes really good and other times average”.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
# new englandraider Says:
December 29th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
slight delay in chat. maybe cable slapped up jerry
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… or hung him from the top of the billboard.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
i got a feeling we get this one. rather not see anyone banged up play. no need risking part of the future for a essentially meaningless game. especially miller with a head injury. with frye in there we;ve run a lot of short outs with the te. as i said b4 miller was hit a few times as soon as he turned around.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
like to see murphy start of jlh. while murphy probably didnt deserve to start earlyier in the season, i think he’s more reliable and productive than the eraser head. scary lee higgins. props to whoever glossed him that. scary lee. lmfao
December 29th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
cant spell again. damned weeds
December 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
It seems to me Al Davis has disowned the Madden and the Madden-era players. Look at the Raiders webpage, there you have Jim Plunkett, JaMarcus Russell, and Willie Brown. Those were Al’s guys all the way. How do you exclude John Madden, Kenny Stabler, Shell, Upshaw, Branch, Biletnikoff, etc? Because they won contrary to Al’s offensive football philosophy. Since Al has taken total control without decenters, we have been losers, horrible losers, worse than any other team in NFL football history. Al, you way stopped working after 1969. You have ruined this team. THANKS
December 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
JHill,
Post #256 — Right on the money!
Cable is just trying to save his job. Nothing else. He goes from NFL Head Coach to a college position coach if he gets dismissed. Unless of course, Jim Mora Jr. saves him by bringing him onboard.
Perhaps if “Coach” had given Javon Walker a chance to help out and wasn’t so devoted to Fargas….maybe we eek out a victory too….or his 4 verticals from the goal line.
Get this guy OUTTA HERE!
December 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
SnB,
Cable will be a HC.
At South Wyoming State university.
Where he will have a 10-57 record and tell everyone what a great job he did there.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Vegas said
Nothing about the Oakland Raiders 2009 offense, except for Bruce’s 4th quarter against the Steelers, has been anything close to “Exceptional
That monday night game with the discharge was exceptional
December 29th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Troy Smith, RFA Ravens should be AD’s first thing to do – get us a QB that can become a real elite NFL starter. I’m not sure what the penalty (compensation) is for the Ravens but I think it’s a 5th or 6th round pick.Smith for a 5th or 6th round pick would be a steal. Al should trade for his ASAP.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Cable is out, Davis maybe allowing cable to make a point to no.2, but that does not mean he pleased that cable could not get through to him. If you win Davis give you rope, when you lose and you dont lose his way you are out. Trestman for hc in 2010
December 29th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Cable said he did an exceptional job???!!!?? What kind of dope is he smoking, and can he score me some? Outrageous, what happened to all the talk about accountabilty? You throw your qb under the bus, and say its mainly his fault. No way cable can come back now, Mr. Davis wont like it. Are the dropped balls, lack of o-line play, lack of tackling and bone headed play calling no.2’s fault as well? What about the failure to utilize bush and mac 20, thats on jamarcuss. This dude is full of it.Cable stinks out loud disconnect him if you want any chance of saving no.2.
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