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Seymour perplexed by flurry of flags

A day later, Raiders defensive lineman Richard Seymour was still confused by the flags which seemingly outnumbered the snowflakes at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

The Raiders were hit with 13 penalties for 126 yards. The only time they had more penalties was 14 against Washington, and the 126 yards was a season high, topping 188 against the Redskins.

The yardage figure was, in fact, the highest for the Raiders since they drew 16 penalties for 149 yards in the 2005 season opener in New England.

It appeared as if officials sensed the game getting out of hand and then resorted to penalties in an attempt to get it back under control.

“That’s how I felt. I’ve never seen flags thrown like that,” Seymour said, apparently not remembering the 2005 season opener when he was on the other side of the field. “It was so ticky-tack. Obviously we have to understand how the game is being played and how the game is being called and play accordingly. We didn’t do a good job of that after we understood that they were going to throw it if you looked the wrong way.”

Seymour was responsible for back-to-back penalties during the Browns’ 93-yard scoring drive near the end of the half. The first, for unnecessary roughness, was offset by an unnecessary roughness call on Browns’ guard Rex Hadnot.

Seymour, however, protested and earned an addtional 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

“ I asked him a question like, ‘Why did you throw it on me?’ He didn’t even know he called (it on) me,” Seymour said. “The ref didn’t know what number is was supposed to be on. It was a bunch of mess.

“I guess he just tried to figure out who he wanted to throw it on. I was the lucky number, which I’ve never seen anything like that in all my days of playing.”

Regarding the original scuffle which broughton the first flag, Seymour said, “There’s always little tussles. It’s part of football, you know? And you never want to go out and do anything to hurt your team or give your team bad field position. I could understand, well, if you hit the quarterback late, that’s a reason for a late flag. Or if they’re protecting quarterback, or if it’s a late hit on a guy. But if me and you get into a jawing match, I don’t feel like that’s an excuse for a personal foul or anything like that.

“But I thought all game long, once we understood how the game was being called, that’s when we should have backed off and said, hey, let’s just keep our mouth shut and play ball.”

Tight end Tony Stewart, one of two ejections along with Stanford Routt, was tossed for bumping official. Replays didn’t show it, nor did the Raiders’ team copy of the game, according to Stewart.

Stewart said he was double-teaming the Browns’ Alex Hall on a kickoff return and was punched in the face by Hall.

“I’d give them one percent chance that they couldn’t have seen the play, seen that happen. I was saying to the refs, ‘You didn’t see that? You didn’t see him punch me in the face? You’re not going to throw a flag?’ And the ref came up to me and put his hand on my chest and started pushing me,” Stewart said. “I just swiped his hand off my chest. Just a natural reaction.”

Stewart, one of the more professional and even-keeled Raiders players, was stunned to find himself out of the game.

“I was just in utter disbelief,” Stewart said. “In the locker room it was like almost comical because if I could have told you what was going to happen from last week to this week, that wasn’t one of the things I would have said.”

The worst call may have been a taunting call on Zach Miller, who merely dropped the ball to the ground after a 31-yard completion. It ended up not hurting anything, as a later pass interference penalty on the Browns put the Raiders in scoring position anyway.

Following the game, Seymour talked about the “Raider mystique,” the implication they got a raw deal simply because they’re the Raiders.

Defensive end Greg Ellis said the Raiders had demonstrated to officials they were an undisciplined team and were treated in kind the rest of the afternoon.

“I have to say we did it to ourselves because we put the referees on guard against us,” defensive end Greg Ellis said. “When we do it to ourselves, the ref looks like, ‘You know what? We’re fed up with these guys.’ Any questionable call …”

More to come . . .

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  • Richochet

    # Richochet Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    # RaiderRockstar Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    Richochet: I haven’t read the past 3000+ posts

    obviously you have. thanks for filling me in buddy
    ————————
    LMFAO..Holy Crappoly..when I stated it’s only been posted 3000 times that the Raiders do a face plant immediately after a win, I wasn’t referring to this site..it’s also been posted on pretty much every sports page, blog, sports cast, etc, that follows the Raiders…

    Obviously you rely on this site, and only this site for your raider info.

    Sad..isn’t it?

  • DKnight007

    mistic1 Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
    Cable is clueless that is the big issue. Yesterday and Dallas showed the no.2 is not the only problem, why can’t cable beat the teams they should beat? In fact they get blown out when they should win. This falls directly on the coach. Also the offense is awful, poor play calling is painful to watch. Players like cable because he doesn’t blast them, this is why he just go. Chuky was awesome he would put guys in check, we need some one to kick these guys in the rear.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    The looney old man needs to make every effort to bring Chuckie Gruden back….he has the passion, the work ethic, and discipline to get this team turned around ASAP!

    Plus by hiring Gruden, season ticket sales will shoot thru the roof!

    It’s a no brainer actually….but to the old stubborn man….it’s rocket science.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Seymour ranked 13th for NFL’s dirtiest player.

    did you guys forget the Ryan Clady episode?

  • DKnight007

    Hey idiot Al Davis,

    Do something SMART and HIRE JON GRUDEN!!

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    RaiderRockstar

    Doesn’t your Klan meeting start at 3:00pm pst?

  • 4evaRaider

    It was 12 years B4 Cohwer won a S/B wasnt it?

    And I dont want no stinking steAler ex-coach either.No matter what Cable should get another year;

  • Richochet

    # Plunketthead Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 2:16 pm

    But I have faith that the next 5 years are gonna be great years, especially after the past 7.

    Cable and company are about to turn this ship around!!
    ========================
    Hmmmm..the next 5 will be “great years”, especially after the past 7??

    Not sure how that equates.

  • raideredoutL.A.

    damn jano just got props from tim cowlishaw on around the horn

  • DKnight007

    KoolKell Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
    Bill Cowher coming back to coaching

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4773962

    ^^^^^^^^^^
    Another team willing to take the NECESSARY steps to field a WINNING football team UNLIKE the dumb old man Al Davis!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Patriots coach Bill Belichick said Dick wasn’t a dirty player.

    his wife said he wasn’t dirty, just “a little kinky”

    LOL. seriously!

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    Ellis, no matter what the refs should be impartial, even if the raiders brought on the negative attention from the start… because you act like a fool in 1stQ, does NOT mean you are more foolish than the other team in the 3rd Q…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Kell: what klan meeting?

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    RRS..

    what? where do you have that from??

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Steve Wisnewski (devout Christian btw) was accused of being the dirtiest player in the league year after year. I never heard a single Raider Fan complain about him.

  • Richochet

    # 4evaRaider Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 2:28 pm

    It was 12 years B4 Cohwer won a S/B wasnt it?

    And I dont want no stinking steAler ex-coach either.No matter what Cable should get another year;
    =========================
    Typical 4eva “DUH” comment.

    “Yeah…we don’t care if we suck..we don’t want no steenkin’ coach who coached another team to the SB..hell no..we want the tree stump Cable…slow, dense, borderline incapacitated..HE’S OUR GUY”

    Cable has done a dozen ..oh hell…DOZENS of things wrong this year…and hasn’t done ONE SINGLE THING RIGHT THAT ANYONE CAN POINT TO (anyone, not you, 4eva..you aren’t capable of still following my point) that says Cable is/should be a solid coach..

    NOT ONE THING.
    Yet..some still want this blob to return, lol…geez…go figure.

  • raideredoutL.A.

    wisnewski was the s***

  • HayesDaze37

    Take out the emotion, and look at the QB situation…

    Gradkowski: We already have an idea of what he can do. Did he earn a new contract? Absolutely. A “big” one? Absolutely not. A nice medium one would do. But, he shouldn’t play this game…we already know he’s a gamer.

    Frye: We’ve seen what he can do…and know he’s not the under-fire answer at the position. Since we already know that, we need to move on.

    Losman: Not fair to him, or the team, to expect him to do anything unless it’s an emergency. Ride the pines until camp, JP.

    JaMarcus: This is the one last chance for JaMarcus to have a positive feeling going into the off-season. The team stands as much of a chance of winning with JaMarcus as they do with Frye…and it could be Jamarcus’s chance to throw down the gauntlet to Grad, JP, and a yet-to-be-named Free Agent, that he isn’t going to go away so easily.

    For the sake of potential development, without diminishing the team’s chances to be competitive in the game, I say it’s time to put JaMarcus out there one more time.

    A few months to digest the Ravens’ Defense, and his own QB future, might be just what the doctor ordered for JaMarcus. There aren’t any other on-the-job-training opportunities left for him this season.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I wasn’t complaining about Seymour being a dirty player. I just pointed out the fact that he was one and HD37 said he wasn’t. so I gave him some info to prove my point – that’s all.

    I got no probs with the Wiz

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    JaMarcus needs to stay on the bench until he demonstrates something substantive.

  • RaiderRockstar

    JaMarcus needs to stay on the bench until he demonstrates something substantive.

    ***

    a new fur coat maybe, eh kelly?

  • 4evaRaider

    I watched Cohwer on the side lines for years crying and trying….There is no way to collect a bet like this because of too many variables but….IF and yes thats a BIG IF there Richochet but….If Cable stays with the Raiders,he will win a S/B in less then 12 years like it took Coward…..Coward sucks but of course like him because you know nothing,my little fair-wheather coach coward lover

  • r8eray

    KoolKell, and while he sits on the bench…we trade one of our 3rd RD picks to the Ravens!!
    Check this out!!!
    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/28/ravens-notified-of-troy-smiths-trade-request/

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    You can take all your clean-cut, hard working, good Christian QB values QB’s you want, with a pop-gun arm, and you got nada.

  • Plunketthead

    Seymour laid a karate chop to the neck on Rivers in the first game this year. Rivers got his technical on the next play because he was still mad. He had been sacked, was on the ground with Seymour on top when WHAM, karate chop to the neck.

    Thats when I knew one of the dirtiest players in the league was now a Raider!!

  • HayesDaze37

    RRS — You’re joking, right? That sour grapes crybaby from the Chargers a few years ago, when they choked against NE? That makes Seymour dirty? That was from the same game Tomlinson whined like a little girl on the podium, too.

    If the D-line had another two or three who played like Seymour, the D would be top-10 in every category.

    Wiz had a much nastier temperment than Seymour has, on a play-by-play basis. Seymour is closer to Howie that way.

  • 4evaRaider

    To this day,if anyone near coward mentiones the name Eric Metcalf,coward runs away and pee’s his pants

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    I wouldn’t start Russell. Even if they plan to keep him next year. The fans will turn on him and the situation will get nasty.

    Russell should stay on the shelf.

    I would start J.P Losman. He is going to be the starter next year if Cable is rightfully dismissed and there is an open and fair QB competition next year.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    I don’t know Troy Smith. The grass always seems greener on the other side.

  • 4evaRaider

    no shizzzzittt =)

  • RaiderRockstar

    it took Bill Cowher 13 years to win a Super Bowl in Pittsburg.

    Al Davis doesn’t have that much patience (see Gruden, Jon)

    plus Mike Tomlin did the same thing in his 2nd season.

  • r8eray

    Troy Smith, JP Losman, and Bruce..let the best man win!!

  • Plunketthead

    Rico
    Compared to the past 7 the next 5 will be great even if its
    8-8
    7-9
    9-7
    8-8
    etc
    etc.

    Does it make more sense thatway?

  • RaiderRockstar

    You can take all your clean-cut, hard working, good Christian QB values QB’s you want, with a pop-gun arm, and you got nada.

    ***

    yeah Drew Brees, Peyton Manning & Rich Gannon

  • HayesDaze37

    The ONLY way JaMarcus has a chance to be the starting QB next year (based on playing merit)…is if he starts this game, and plays well.

    Otherwise, once Camp starts…given an even chance to win the job, and he will be, Gradkowski will win the job outright from JaMarcus.

    JaMarcus needs the work…and the leg-up, if he can get it (without it, he’s probably toast). It’s “one more last chance” time for Russell.

  • bjbrown1968

    People! Get over it! Gruden is not coming back to the Raiders. I’d love it if he did, but I’m guessing there ain’t enough money in the world to bring him back to work with Davis, and if there were Al sure as hell wouldn’t pay it to him.

  • mack-madden

    Your only a dirty player to the refs if you get caught in the act.
    Do refs pay more close attention to raider players and keep them on a shorter leash?
    I doubt it but I’m not sure.
    I’ve seen A LOT of weird questionable calls against the raiders.
    For example. I’ve never seen the ‘tuck’ rule enforced before that game against pats.
    Most times its just a fumble.
    Vincent Jackson spinning the ball after catch is ‘illegal forward pass’ instead of fumble.
    Minor. Recent examples of note

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    #85 Ridiculous.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    HayesDaze37 Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
    Take out the emotion, and look at the QB situation…

    Gradkowski: We already have an idea of what he can do. Did he earn a new contract? Absolutely. A “big” one? Absolutely not. A nice medium one would do. But, he shouldn’t play this game…we already know he’s a gamer.

    Frye: We’ve seen what he can do…and know he’s not the under-fire answer at the position. Since we already know that, we need to move on.

    Losman: Not fair to him, or the team, to expect him to do anything unless it’s an emergency. Ride the pines until camp, JP.

    JaMarcus: This is the one last chance for JaMarcus to have a positive feeling going into the off-season. The team stands as much of a chance of winning with JaMarcus as they do with Frye…and it could be Jamarcus’s chance to throw down the gauntlet to Grad, JP, and a yet-to-be-named Free Agent, that he isn’t going to go away so easily.

    For the sake of potential development, without diminishing the team’s chances to be competitive in the game, I say it’s time to put JaMarcus out there one more time.
    =======================================================
    Gradkowski didn’t EARN anything. 3 games is not enough to make a decision on a guy that’s already bounced around to 4 teams in his short career. The only thing he’s earned is a chance to legitimately compete for the starting job.

    Frye should be a coach next year or 3rd string. Good to have a guy like that around.

    Losman: I’d give him a shot next week if Gradkowski can’t go. Let’s see what he can do….He’s my choice to start next year pending training camp.

    Russell: He needs to shut it down. No benefit comes from playing him. He’s clearly not ready and it would be a waste to play him if they are going to cut him anyway. He’s had his chances and threw them away in spectacular fashion. I personally don’t think he deserves another chance. Handed a starting job and treating the team, the league, the black QBs before him that paved a way, Davis, the fans and his own alma mater and family with a tremendous amount of disrespect and indifference.

    Should Russell come back? Only if restructured and only if he’s dedicated 100%!

    BTW, I would bring in Chad Pennington or Jason Campbell

  • M Lonetree

    Vegas,

    your post #23 echoes exactly what I also thought would unfold with The Cable Guy’s ill-conceived use of timeouts before the half.

  • CaptainBlack

    Richochet, come here and suck my calk, ya lil’ beyotch! Come on and play you cut and paste ignoramus.

  • CaptainBlack

    The Raiders have a lot to be ashamed of after yesterday’s game. The play calling sicked; the defense sucked, and the referees always suck. Please exclude Janikowski, he has played on a Pro Bowl level all year.

  • bjbrown1968

    Al NEVER pays coaches what they’re worth and Gruden would require waaaay too much. Al needs to stick with Cable because, let’s face it, who else would be willing to coach the Raiders? Maybe somebody looking to pull a “Kiffin”

  • bjbrown1968

    What we really need is a GM and an offensive play-caller. Cable should, by all means, NOT be calling the plays like he is this year.

  • 860Todd Christensen

    Mark it, Cable is done, this team is in fragments, I truly hate to say this, there is no hope til AD steps down, fan since 64″.

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