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Seymour perplexed by flurry of flags

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, December 28th, 2009 at 1:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.

A day later, Raiders defensive lineman Richard Seymour was still confused by the flags which seemingly outnumbered the snowflakes at Cleveland Browns Stadium.

The Raiders were hit with 13 penalties for 126 yards. The only time they had more penalties was 14 against Washington, and the 126 yards was a season high, topping 188 against the Redskins.

The yardage figure was, in fact, the highest for the Raiders since they drew 16 penalties for 149 yards in the 2005 season opener in New England.

It appeared as if officials sensed the game getting out of hand and then resorted to penalties in an attempt to get it back under control.

“That’s how I felt. I’ve never seen flags thrown like that,” Seymour said, apparently not remembering the 2005 season opener when he was on the other side of the field. “It was so ticky-tack. Obviously we have to understand how the game is being played and how the game is being called and play accordingly. We didn’t do a good job of that after we understood that they were going to throw it if you looked the wrong way.”

Seymour was responsible for back-to-back penalties during the Browns’ 93-yard scoring drive near the end of the half. The first, for unnecessary roughness, was offset by an unnecessary roughness call on Browns’ guard Rex Hadnot.

Seymour, however, protested and earned an addtional 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct.

“ I asked him a question like, ‘Why did you throw it on me?’ He didn’t even know he called (it on) me,” Seymour said. “The ref didn’t know what number is was supposed to be on. It was a bunch of mess.

“I guess he just tried to figure out who he wanted to throw it on. I was the lucky number, which I’ve never seen anything like that in all my days of playing.”

Regarding the original scuffle which broughton the first flag, Seymour said, “There’s always little tussles. It’s part of football, you know? And you never want to go out and do anything to hurt your team or give your team bad field position. I could understand, well, if you hit the quarterback late, that’s a reason for a late flag. Or if they’re protecting quarterback, or if it’s a late hit on a guy. But if me and you get into a jawing match, I don’t feel like that’s an excuse for a personal foul or anything like that.

“But I thought all game long, once we understood how the game was being called, that’s when we should have backed off and said, hey, let’s just keep our mouth shut and play ball.”

Tight end Tony Stewart, one of two ejections along with Stanford Routt, was tossed for bumping official. Replays didn’t show it, nor did the Raiders’ team copy of the game, according to Stewart.

Stewart said he was double-teaming the Browns’ Alex Hall on a kickoff return and was punched in the face by Hall.

“I’d give them one percent chance that they couldn’t have seen the play, seen that happen. I was saying to the refs, ‘You didn’t see that? You didn’t see him punch me in the face? You’re not going to throw a flag?’ And the ref came up to me and put his hand on my chest and started pushing me,” Stewart said. “I just swiped his hand off my chest. Just a natural reaction.”

Stewart, one of the more professional and even-keeled Raiders players, was stunned to find himself out of the game.

“I was just in utter disbelief,” Stewart said. “In the locker room it was like almost comical because if I could have told you what was going to happen from last week to this week, that wasn’t one of the things I would have said.”

The worst call may have been a taunting call on Zach Miller, who merely dropped the ball to the ground after a 31-yard completion. It ended up not hurting anything, as a later pass interference penalty on the Browns put the Raiders in scoring position anyway.

Following the game, Seymour talked about the “Raider mystique,” the implication they got a raw deal simply because they’re the Raiders.

Defensive end Greg Ellis said the Raiders had demonstrated to officials they were an undisciplined team and were treated in kind the rest of the afternoon.

“I have to say we did it to ourselves because we put the referees on guard against us,” defensive end Greg Ellis said. “When we do it to ourselves, the ref looks like, ‘You know what? We’re fed up with these guys.’ Any questionable call …”

More to come . . .

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  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Welcome to Oakland dick!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    2nd?

  • Chris in NY

    “That’s how I felt. I’ve never seen flags thrown like that,” Seymour said.

    Welcome to playing for the Raiders. Whereas the Pats get every call imaginable, the Raiders get every call against them imaginable.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    The Raiders can blame the officials all the live-long day. But, the refs didn’t throw three interceptions. Quarterback Charlie Frye did. The refs didn’t call four straight failed pass plays from the Browns’ 2-yard line. Raiders coach Tom Cable did.

    And, the refs certainly did not let Browns running back Jerome Harrison run them over a franchise-record 39 times for 148 yards. Seymour and The Gang did.

    Who needs a conspiracy to beat the Raiders when they play like that?

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/27/SPF41B9TI1.DTL#ixzz0b1QUmwPG

  • 4evaRaider

    Yep it sure was a “bunch of mess”

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    All seemed OK enough just before halftime. Cleveland’s 10-0 jump-start was whittled to a 10-6 lead. Then, a scuffle broke out at the Browns’ 25 with 1:30 left in the second quarter.

    Seymour was called for unnecessary roughness, though he said he hit his own teammate accidentally. Browns right guard Rex Hadnot was flagged for an offsetting unnecessary roughness.

    It should have ended there, but no. Seymour was then charged with a 15-yard penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct, moving Cleveland to its 40.

    Two plays later, Routt was ejected for a flagrant head butt. Just like that, the Browns were spotted the Oakland 27.

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/27/SPF41B9TI1.DTL#ixzz0b1R4MLHi

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Not only were the officials bad and border-line biased, WTF was taking so long for some of these calls?

    It would be obvious off-sides, and they would meet for a good minute or two and than make the call. It was driving me crazy!!!

  • 4evaRaider

    and 1 more thing

    WE WAS GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASHED. thank you

  • The Big Banana

    “I’d give them one percent chance that they couldn’t have seen the play, seen that happen. I was saying to the refs, ‘You didn’t see that? You didn’t see him punch me in the face? You’re not going to throw a flag?’ And the ref came up to me and put his hand on my chest and started pushing me,” Stewart said. “I just swiped his hand off my chest. Just a natural reaction.”
    ===================================================
    The answer is no, they didn’t see it. They were too busy waiting for you to make a mistake. I think the refs make a lot of assumptions about the Raiders and just sit on their hands waiting for them to make a mistake.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    “I have to say we did it to ourselves because we put the referees on guard against us,” defensive end Greg Ellis said. “When we do it to ourselves, the ref looks like, ‘You know what? We’re fed up with these guys.’ Any questionable call …”

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/27/SPF41B9TI1.DTL#ixzz0b1RW4eEW

  • Florida Pete

    Florida Pete Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
    KoolKell Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
    why didn’t Cable give Bush another 10-15 carries?
    ===========================
    Didn’t you just hear me say the running game became non-viable when Langston Walker went down in the 2nd qtr?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    oh, schit… somebody forgot to check with you…

    let’s see… you say that our ability to run the ball was due to one guy… ONE GUY… Langston Walker…

    isn’t he the guy we signed in midseason???

    isn’t he the guy that first played left guard like two weeks ago????

    ya really think he was that good…

    that without him we can’t even run the ball???

    i think that’s astonishing…

    don’t you???

  • Chris in NY

    KoolKell Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
    The Raiders can blame the officials all the live-long day. But, the refs didn’t throw three interceptions. Quarterback Charlie Frye did. The refs didn’t call four straight failed pass plays from the Browns’ 2-yard line. Raiders coach Tom Cable did.

    And, the refs certainly did not let Browns running back Jerome Harrison run them over a franchise-record 39 times for 148 yards. Seymour and The Gang did.

    —————————–

    39 rushes for 148 yards is only a 3.8 YPC average. Who cares if he set a franchise record for carries if he didn’t even average 4 yards per? Cribbs was bottled up as well.

    The 3 INTs and generally horrendous red zone offense was what lost this game. The refs were terrible and were certainly a contributing factor to the outcome, but I guess that’s what you get when a 5-9 team is playing a 3-11 team — bottom of the barrel officiating.

  • Roch R

    Janikowski for the Pro Bowl!
    Draft O-line Depth
    Go Raiders!

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    et’s see… you say that our ability to run the ball was due to one guy… ONE GUY… Langston Walker…

    isn’t he the guy we signed in midseason???
    ==========================
    Go back and look at the damned game. Yeah Walker was signed mid-season to replace the terrible Chris Morris, who had to come in and replace Walker.

  • Roch R

    Oh yeah I almost forgot, Fire Cable.

  • RaiderRockstar

    roch: o-line depth?

    we need starters!

    Morris is a Center. versatile enough to play both guard spots

    Langston Walker was needed because Green was injured and Pears was trash. we didn’t sign him to play guard. we cut McQuistan to make room

  • Chris in NY

    All I know is the great Jerry Rice said in a TV interview, years after he was retired, that the officials seemed to target the Raiders. That he never experienced anything like it with any other team. That the Raiders had more strange and flat-out terrible calls go against them than anybody.

    This isn’t me or some other fan who’s just pointing out the obvious from what we see on TV. This is arguably the greatest football player of all-time making this point. It was after his Raider days were over. And it’s a guy whose primary team with which he’s identified isn’t even the Raiders. Come on.

  • HayesDaze37

    JMcD: Defensive end Greg Ellis said the Raiders had demonstrated to officials they were an undisciplined team and were treated in kind the rest of the afternoon.

    “I have to say we did it to ourselves because we put the referees on guard against us,” defensive end Greg Ellis said. “When we do it to ourselves, the ref looks like, ‘You know what? We’re fed up with these guys.’ Any questionable call …”

    —–

    Cooler heads will prevail, and the mature players will understand they lost their composure. The immature players will not get it…now, or ever. Stanford Routt was looking for trouble, and he found it. Richard Seymour needed to make more tackles than comments.

    If it’s true the team realized they needed to stop doing things that got the attention of the refs…and kept doing those things anyway…then they absolutely have nobody to blame but themselves. No matter how bad (or good) the calls were.

    The refs lost control of the game, and throwing the flags didn’t make it a better product for the fans in the stands, or at home…and it sure didn’t bring the game under control. The league should be as embarrassed as the Raiders should be for the collective loss of composure on the field yesterday. It didn’t much resemble football.

  • Florida Pete

    KoolKell Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 1:51 pm

    Go back and look at the damned game. Yeah Walker was signed mid-season to replace the terrible Chris Morris, who had to come in and replace Walker.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    so you agree with cable to abandon the running game…

    and to pass your way to victory with a 3rd string QB in december in cleveland…

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    KoolKell,

    Theoretically, I will give you Langston Walker going down impacting the running game.

    However, that theory wasn’t much tested yesterday….1 carry for 2 yards for the last 30 minutes of regulation?

    My theory is that had justin fargas been available, we would have seen 10 or so carries in the 2nd half.

    Davis needs to fire the coach again. Cable last game SHOULD be next week.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Gallery’s injuries have hurt our o-line as a unit.

    Satele, Morris & Pears have all failed trying to replace him there. Langston Walker played well the past few games there, but we was not signed to play guard. nor does a Langston Walker absence mean the running game is flushed down the toilet.

    If Kell is right and Cable abandoned the run game because of a Langston Walker injury, he is an idiot and should be fired on the spot.

  • raideredoutL.A.

    lets spoil the ravens’ playoff hopes, somewhat a consolation 4 another disasterous season and the 2000 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    The whole pre-halftime meltdown should have never happened and I blame Tom Cable.

    Let’s set the stage: 1:30 on the clock, cleveland at own 7, Raiders down 10-6 with 2 timeouts.

    Cleveland’s first play is a draw that gets 4 yards. Browns eager to go into the half, only Tom Cable thinks he has Peyton at QB, sadly it is Charlie Frye, and uses a timeout. Why, I don’t know? Can’t we just let the Browns concede, maybe use a timeout on 3rd down? As soon as he called it, I said now they are going to get the first to have this backfire. Of course it came 2 plays later on a 3rd and 16 draw (nice tackle Kirk!!) that they RB got the first and OB.

    So instead of letting the Browns run out the clock and go to the half down 10-6, Cable thinks he has the Steel Curtain on D and can stop them and use his timeouts. With only 2 TO’s, the Browns could have still ran it 3 times and given us the ball back with maybe 30 seconds and no timeouts. What is Charlie Frye supposed to do with that?

    I saw it coming from a mile away, and it unfolded exactly the reason way I would have never even considered calling a timeout after first down.

    Cost us 4 points (Seabass bailed him out) a player, and our poise.

    Great job Cable!!! Really has his finger to the pulse of the team doesn’t he?

    Good grief

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    so you agree with cable to abandon the running game…

    and to pass your way to victory with a 3rd string QB in december in cleveland
    —————————
    When Walker went down there were no more holes. What the hell else is going to do? Frye is a QB that can make plays with his legs.

  • Florida Pete

    Cable: we couldn’t run it with Bush because we had nobody to block for him…

    he had the opportunity to block for himself last year and turned it down…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Richard Seymour has always been a dirty player. the only difference is that now he plays for the team everybody loves to hate, not “America’s Team” …

  • raideredoutL.A.

    we really are a jekyl and hyde type of team, wouldn’t be surprised if we play a good game next week.

  • mistic1

    I love the Ellis comment, you have a reputation gor being undisciplined of course calls will go against you. Cae has failed to utilize , groom, or develope the young talent. He has failed to bring the knuckle heads and underachievers into the fold. He has proven that has no clue on how to prepare a team week to week. He has demonstrated beyond the shadow of doubt he is inept as a play caller. He has failed to instill discipline. He has failed to take his defense to task when they flop he says we are close.The new head coach needs to be an offensive guy, he should have a special qb school and attach himself to no.2, in order to develope our qb. Playing fry ahead of Russel coupled with a loss has sealed the fate of cable.

  • raideredoutL.A.

    sad to say, lets see what this offseason holds 4 us this yr.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Re-post (Cable might not go anywhere)

    vegas raider Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 11:23 am
    Just heard on the radio that with so much concern of a lockout in 2011, teams(owners) are reluctant to hire coaching staffs this offseason and have them on the “books” for 2011. So expect lots of “lame-duck” coaches this year (with John Fox being the example that started the conversation).

    So that may mean, Tom Cable in 2010 as a lame-duck. I can see Al insisting on hiring an OC, and having Cable sit in on the interview of a guy to ulitmately replace him. Sounds twillight-zonish enough for the Raiders

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    KoolKell,
    And, the refs certainly did not let Browns running back Jerome Harrison run them over a franchise-record 39 times for 148 yards. Seymour and The Gang did.
    =========================
    Only 3.79 yrds per carry. That’s because the Browns were awful throwing the ball. Anderson was throwing in between receivers. Hitting the ground 2 feet in front of the WR. Crowd was booing him. Looked like their version of JaLoser. One good pass that Mohamed Massaquoi beat Chris Johnson by getting away with an offensive PI that wasn’t called.

  • RaiderRockstar

    who should start in Week 17 at home against the Ravens?

    A. Gradkowski (if healthy enough to walk)
    B. Frye
    C. Russell
    D. Losman
    E. Otis
    F. Southwick

    cast your vote now !!!

  • HayesDaze37

    Seymour’s a dirty player?? What???

    There’s a BIG difference in being tough and nasty, and being a dirty player. Seymour’s a highly-respected player in the league, not known as a dirty player.

  • 4evaRaider

    Chris in NY Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
    All I know is the great Jerry Rice said in a TV interview, years after he was retired, that the officials seemed to target the Raiders. That he never experienced anything like it with any other team. That the Raiders had more strange and flat-out terrible calls go against them than anybody.

    This isn’t me or some other fan who’s just pointing out the obvious from what we see on TV. This is arguably the greatest football player of all-time making this point. It was after his Raider days were over. And it’s a guy whose primary team with which he’s identified isn’t even the Raiders. Come on.
    *****************************************************

    As a few of us have said many times on here….

    The Vendetta Is Alive And Well

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Oh, by the way, FIRE CABLE! CUT JALOSER! as my confiscated sign said.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Losman should start.

    Than bring in Russell in the second-half so he can get booed and hopefully the shyt kicked out of him.

    Would be a perfect farewell package on his way back to Mobile.

  • Frank YoooooooLLL

    My daughter dates an assistant coach from Deroit Lions, he told us that it is a known fact that the refs will go against the raiders as soon as they get out of hand, he said all teams are aware of this and use it as a small part of the game plan. So I guess the conspiracy theory could have some substance all though not an excuse for clusterfu… of a game.

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    December 28th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
    who should start in Week 17 at home against the Ravens?

    A. Gradkowski (if healthy enough to walk)
    B. Frye
    C. Russell
    D. Losman
    E. Otis
    F. Southwick

    cast your vote now !!!
    ===========================================
    a. Grads
    d. Losman
    f. Southwick
    b. Frye
    e. Otis
    c. if everyone else is carried off on a gurney!

  • bjbrown1968

    I would agree with Greg Ellis’ observation of the Raiders essentially giving the refs more fodder to throw more flags. However, it did appear that the refs were confused and had very little control of the game. I think they realized that when Alex Mack threw a punch and wasn’t kicked out of the game. At that point they knew they screwed up and decided to tighten the reins. The Raiders then gave the refs more opportunities to throw flags for stuff that they might not normally throw a flag for (the Tony Stewart incident is a good example). I believe the Raiders have nobody to blame but themselves for the loss (hell, we had 1st and goal from the 2 and we couldn’t put it in). But I also think the officiating crew was confused and disorganized and not really paying close attention to what was happening on the field.

  • 4evaRaider

    #25 lmao Pete lol

  • 4evaRaider

    Glad you’re coming around Pete lololhahahahaha

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    This could be the very last weekly game-plan film session that Jamarcus can blow off.

    Kind of nostalgic.

  • mistic1

    Why do we have so many fat guys on our team? Cable gets no respect. Davis is not happy, I’m certain he wants his guys developed, not ridding pine. Also why can’t he figure out how to use bush and mac 20. Finally a screen pass!!! With all of the speed on this team you would think there would be a decent screen game. Cable’s teams don’t score he is done. Davis wants his guys in the game he wants to score and he wants to win. Rathman, Trestman, 2010

  • raideredoutL.A.

    jamarcus will work hard this offseason, by his standards. eat healthy, except when buzzed late night, then its fast food frenzy, work out 3-4 times a week for about an hr., then watch film, probably of himself, last yr’s game @ den and the bowl game vs. notre dame. and finally work on his accuracy by throwing through a tire. working hard 4 tha money.

  • Plunketthead

    Hayesdaze

    I cringe everytime I think about Lechtor and Jano.
    Al gets tired of losing close games so he goes against the grain (as usual) picks P and K early, gets called a fool. turns out he is right and Shane may become the greatest punter ever to play the game while Jano is worth every penny.

    Then the cringe part. As soon as he gets them we stop winning, get blown out most of the time and 10 years spent having the greatest kicking game ever are wasted.

    They retire, we start winning but lose the close, important games because our kicking game sucks.

    AAAAAAAAAAArghhhhhhhhh

  • RaiderRockstar

    I think Tony Siragusa should unretire and suit up for this game.

    then let Russell start and see what happens.

    hehehe

  • Plunketthead

    But I have faith that the next 5 years are gonna be great years, especially after the past 7.

    Cable and company are about to turn this ship around!!

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Bill Cowher coming back to coaching

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4773962

  • Frank YoooooooLLL

    We need to draft a great offensive line that can give Jabubbagump 10 to 15 minutes to find an open player, otherwise we are doomed….the best we can do is let seabass kick more touchdowns……….

  • RaiderRockstar

    While the Chargers were generally complimentary of the Patriots following today’s victory, one notable exception was center Nick Hardwick, who went off on Patriots defensive end Richard Seymour in an expletive-laden tirade caught by colleague Rob Bradford in the Chargers locker room.

    “There are 10 (bleeping) good players on that team,” Hardwick said. “But Richard Seymour is a dirty, cheap, little pompous (expletive).”

    Hardwick was only getting started.

    “He’s cheap and dirty and the head man just let him get away with it the whole time,” Hardwick said. “They’ve got 10 great players on that team and when Jarvis Green comes on the field, they’ve got 11 great players who compete how you’re supposed to play. But Richard Seymour is the biggest (expletive) I’ve ever played.”

    Hardwick said Seymour usually plays this way, but that he, “took it it to another level today.”

    “Head slapping, foot stomping in the pile, running by and throwing punches in your back,” Hardwick said. “He’s a (expletive). … There were a lot of things he did. There’s a field goal where he was stomping feet. Who stomps feet? And the officials weren’t doing anything about it. He plays like a punk.”

    ***

    thats for you HD37!