Brown makes final HOF list
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, January 8th, 2010 at 2:16 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Wide receiver/return specialist Tim Brown made the cutdown to 17 finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but six players were trimmed from the list and won’t be considered.
Raiders who didn’t make the cut were coach Tom Flores, wide receiver Cliff Branch, tight end Todd Christensen, punter Ray Guy, cornerback Lester Hayes and quarterback Jim Plunkett.
Jerry Rice, a Raider from 2001 through 2003 and dealt to Seattle during the 2004 season, joined Brown as a first-time eligible player along with Emmitt Smith.
The list of those considered:
Tim Brown – Wide Receiver/Kick Returner – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cris Carter – Wide Receiver – 1987-89 Philadelphia Eagles, 1990-2001 Minnesota Vikings, 2002 Miami Dolphins
Don Coryell – Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers
Roger Craig – Running Back – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Dermonti Dawson – Center – 1988-2000 Pittsburgh Steelers
Richard Dent – Defensive End – 1983-1993, 1995 Chicago Bears, 1994 San Francisco 49ers, 1996 Indianapolis Colts, 1997 Philadelphia Eagles
Russ Grimm – Guard – 1981-1991 Washington Redskins
Charles Haley – Defensive End/Linebacker – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Rickey Jackson – Linebacker – 1981-1993 New Orleans Saints, 1994-95 San Francisco 49ers
Cortez Kennedy – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Seattle Seahawks
Dick LeBeau – Cornerback – 1959-1972 Detroit Lions
Floyd Little – Running Back – 1967-1975 Denver Broncos
John Randle – Defensive Tackle – 1990-2000 Minnesota Vikings, 2001-03 Seattle Seahawks
Andre Reed – Wide Receiver – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins
Jerry Rice – Wide Receiver – 1985-2000 San Francisco 49ers, 2001-04 Oakland Raiders, 2004 Seattle Seahawks
Shannon Sharpe – Tight End – 1990-99, 2002-03 Denver Broncos, 2000-01 Baltimore Ravens
Emmitt Smith – Running Back – 1990-2002 Dallas Cowboys, 2003-04 Arizona Cardinals
Little and LeBeau were named senior nominees n August.
To be inducted, players must receive 80 percent of the vote from a 44-person selection committee. Between four and seven members will be elected.
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January 8th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Brown, Branch, Guy, Stabler, Hayes all belong
January 8th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
As the old commercial once said:
I am Emmitt Smiff!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Jerry Rice, Emmitt Smith and Chris Carter this year…sorry Timmy, Andre and Shannon!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
stabler Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Branch, Guy, Stabler, Hayes all belong
January 8th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Branch, Guy, Stabler, Hayes
These are the only Raiders deserving! Tim Brown I would pass on
January 8th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
MR, we will see. It is football here
January 8th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Cortez Kennedy?? That guy ain’t a HOF.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
MB, most excellent posts!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
You don’t have to tell me about it 1960, I can’t stand the guy either.
Was just making a little joke to 4eva…
January 8th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Vegas
Were cool… More for some other posters!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
4eva, something tells me you have always had your hand out!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
With each passing day, I believe the chances of Cable staying increase.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Love the political banter, but imho you guys are missing the real problem. I didn’t vote 4 BO, but I don’t have a big problem with him. What I do have a problem with is the incumbents in congress. We need to oust Pelosi, Reid, Nelson, and any GOP’s who’ve been in for multiple terms. (I’d name some, but there’s none in any of the states I’ve lived in.) Let’s get some new blood in there. Once they’ve been in office for awhile, they become polarized and extremely partisan.
And about the Raiders, please, no college coaches. Anyone who has success in the NCAA is probably a better recruiter than coach. They don’t seem to do as well in the NFL.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
The end.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I wonder how Tom Cable was as a college recruiter. Something tells me he didn’t go into homes and charm mothers.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Breaking News:
At this very moment Lane Kiffin is flying to LA to accept the head coaching position at USC.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
It looks like USC is going to go after my favorite head coach from my alma matter – that will suck but maybe Riley will stay here.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Solid job Lane did this year. 7-5, bowl loss, 3 arrests, and numerous other off the field issues.
They almost beat Bama though.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
I’m just throwing a name out there, but how about Brian Billick? I know some are immediately going to say he’d never work for the pay, or for Al or for the organization. I got it, you think Al is the Debil, get past it.
Billick has mentioned in the past his respect for Al, and apparantly he’s looking to get back into coaching next year.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Raiders who didn’t make the cut were coach Tom Flores, wide receiver Cliff Branch, tight end Todd Christensen, punter Ray Guy, cornerback Lester Hayes and quarterback Jim Plunkett.
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of all the people on this list…
i really want to see Lester Hayes get in…
January 8th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
The only reason for Billick to come here is if he gets impatient.
I never liked Billick, and I lmao when Grbac was crying on the sideline.
He kind of screwed up a good thing, but he did create the good thing.
I’m sure he is better than Tom Cable
January 8th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
The only reason for Billick to come here is if he gets impatient.
I never liked Billick, and I lmao when Grbac was crying on the sideline.
He kind of screwed up a good thing, but he did create the good thing.
I’m sure he is better than Tom Cable
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Read that last line….I’m sure he is better than Tom Cable…NUFF SAID. FIRE CABLE!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Lester is my favorite Raider hands down with stikem or not. The year he had to get Oakland to the superbowl might be the best a CB has ever had.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Solid job Lane did this year. 7-5, bowl loss, 3 arrests, and numerous other off the field issues.
They almost beat Bama though.
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that little weasel probably still could have led the Raiders to a 5-11 record though. was Cable really an improvement? his play calling & personnel moves have been atrocious!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
who isn’t better than Tom Cable?
right now i’d take Herm Edwards …
January 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Lester may be one of the best man to man corners ever. Heard a rumor years ago that he even tried to sneak stickum at practice.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Again one more time for those of you who missed it earlier:
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHO OUR COACH IS AS LONG AS AL DAVIS IS ALIVE AND IN CONTROL OF THIS TEAM.
So why sit here and speculate as to weather or not someone is coming here.
Because until that 80 year old drooling control freak is no longer in control the resurrected ghost of Vice Lombardi could be our coach and it wouldn’t matter!!
January 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
vegas raider Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I wonder how Tom Cable was as a college recruiter. Something tells me he didn’t go into homes and charm mothers.
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He was a great recruiter Vegas….they just couldnt say no,know what I mean lol
January 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Did anyone see Sportscenter’s report on Cable today with Adam Scheister? He said that if Cable goes, he’s almost guarenteed of getting a job elsewhere next year.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Dear Devil
Regarding post 57, that is the reason I am not for firing Cable or really fired up about a draft pick because AD is immersed in pride and will not delegate, which I hear is your problem as well.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Solid job Lane did this year. 7-5, bowl loss, 3 arrests, and numerous other off the field issues.
They almost beat Bama though.
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that little weasel probably still could have led the Raiders to a 5-11 record though. was Cable really an improvement? his play calling & personnel moves have been atrocious!
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Kiffin in 2007 lost multiple late game leads thanks to Rob Ryan…like it or not Kiffin is twice the coach Cable is….Cable is just a better boot licker.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
ColoradoRaiderFan Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Did anyone see Sportscenter’s report on Cable today with Adam Scheister? He said that if Cable goes, he’s almost guarenteed of getting a job elsewhere next year.
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Yeah, as an o-line coach…he will never ba a HC in the NFL again.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Lester is my favorite Raider hands down with stikem or not. The year he had to get Oakland to the superbowl might be the best a CB has ever had.
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1980 was a very good year. Lester was a machine that year!
January 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Lester the molester….. One of my all time favorites
January 8th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Herrera1 Says:
January 7th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
DKnight, so you’re done as a fan? Meaning you won’t be watching or attending a game any longer?
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Why do I have to keep on going over and over this on these boards??!!
Since Gruden was pushed out the door for WINNING!
My father and I didn’t renew our season tickets and we are glad we didn’t due to STUPID decisions like that.
That was the beginning of the moronic decisions within the dysfunctional organization and of course the stupidity and Commitment to Losing has remained for the past 7 years since then. I have gone to maybe 2 or 2 games a season since then and will try to watch on TV when it is not blacked out.
We our never buying season tickets again until TRUE change occurs within the “organization” the TRUE Commitment to Winning can begin again. That steps that to need to be made is hiring a TRUE GM/Personnel Man to take care of free agent signings and work the draft. NOT Al Davis. The next step would be to hire a REAL Head Coach to work as a team with the new GM to turn the ship around!
Al Davis needs to then be an owner and just watch for 3 years and not meddle and let them do their jobs. After 3 years then he can evaluate them.
It’s simple really….but to the old looney stubborn old man Al Davis, it’s not so easy, cause to him it’s rocket science.
An example of what needs to be done is what just occured with the Redskins. Daniel Snyder finally woke the hell up and hired to people who are proven WINNERS to run the team and turn it around.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Stabler
I am going to stop and honor your request! Thanks for saying that.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Is McLain worth our first round pick? I say no, only D line or O line in the first.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
And I am going to fold ‘em myself.
Go Raiders!!!
January 8th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
A poster named Stabler…..I’m so confused!
January 8th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Hey newbies, this is par for the course on this blog. In down times of Raider news anything goes.
That is what makes this site great.
You can still post your Raider rants between all the other stuff…we still will read it, don’t worry.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
OFL71
You are right but I did not start this… mostly responding to silly comments made.
Here is a good football question. Which is the worst HOF slight
1. Ray Guy – Best punter over a 20-30 year period
2. Lester Hayes 16 interceptions in a year playoffs + regular season.
3. Jim Plunkett 2 superbowls comeback player of the decades
4. Tom Flores – 2 superbowls first Hispanic Coach
January 8th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
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January 8th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
IMO good LB can be found at more of a bargain than 1st rd.
I agree that the OL/DL must be addressed first and foremost.
McLain is a great player but a LB can be had in later rounds,or possibly FA.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
HOF slights:
As for #’s 3 and 4, I can’t think of any QB’s or coaches that won two Super Bowls and aren’t in the HOF. Can anyone think of any?
January 8th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
What’s the point of the new fans vote if they’re only going to ignore it.
Look how many Raiders players made the top 15 fans voting part, yet the committee picks and chooses who THEY want. So what’s the point even offering a fan vote??????
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The Pro Football Hall of Fame, Phillips-Van Heusen Corporation and JC Penney Company have teamed to provide the first-ever dedicated forum for fans to debate, discuss and voice their choice by voting for the Hall of Fame Enshrinee Class of 2010. The robust forum also includes stats on all candidates and opinions from football experts, Hall of Fame players and fans around the country.
The Van Heusen Fan’s Choice campaign which launched in September, mirrors the Hall of Fame’s selection process and will name the first-ever Fan’s Choice Class live on NFL Network just prior to the official announcement from the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
The Van Heusen Fan’s Choice Top 15 list includes seven candidates who also appear on the official Pro Football Hall of Fame Selection Committee list including: Tim Brown, Cris Carter, Richard Dent, Charles Haley, Jerry Rice, Shannon Sharpe and Emmitt Smith.
Others who made the Van Heusen Fan’s Choice Top 15 list who didn’t make the official Hall of Fame Selection Committee list include an athletic trainer, Otho Davis; a coach, Tom Flores; as well as former players, Cliff Branch, Todd Christensen, Ray Guy, Lester Hayes, Ed “Too Tall” Jones , and Jim Plunkett.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Worst slight? I say Guy, probably the best EVER at his position…maybe Lechler will have that reputation someday too. Hayes definitely belongs, one of the top 5 or 6 CB’s ever, IMO.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
I have to say they’re all worthy equally of getting in to HOF.
I’m partial to Lester myself cause he was my fav growing up but how can Guy,Plunkett,Flores be denied…?
January 8th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Yeah,
How many miles of punting yardage did Guy provide over the years. He was so much better then all of his contemporaries, just like Shane today.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Another HOF slight is Cliff Branch – I think he had 2 superbowls and comparable stats or better to Lynn Swan. He would be number five on my list. For me all four are tied Flores, Plunkett, Guy and Hayes all are superior to many in the HOF.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
The states that ranked the lowest for high school and college graduates were all red states.
http://www.eduinreview.com/blog/2008/09/are-democrats-more-educated-than-republicans/
More afraid.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
Look at Oaklands W-L record while Stabler was QB.
And 2 Superbowl wins.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Are there any kickers in the HOF?
January 8th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
I guess I put an end to that nonsense.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Stabler only had one but the 13-1 year when they beat Minn. was probably the most dominant team I have ever seen. Stabler toyed with defenses. Pittsburg and Miami often kept Oakland out and the Oakland Pitt or Oakland Miami matchup was often called “the real superbowl.”
January 8th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
KK
Yea you put an end to it because your Redstate comments were so generalized and inane we all realized that this is not the right forum for politics.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Thanks Autumn Wind — I realized the mistake as soon as I sent it.
I remember thinking of those AFC games as the real Superbowl.
— George Blanda was a kicker (and QB) Hall of Famer
January 8th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Here is another question:
Are any Raiders on the current squad HOF material.
The only one I can see is Lechler if he keeps punting like this for several seasons. Maybe Seymour
January 8th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
KK,
We all know that testing shows that children from “red” states score higher across the board on standardized tests.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Brown is totally worthy of induction but that doesn’t mean squat.
There are other Raiders who are totally worthy and have been for decades now that will probably never get in so who knows about Brownie….
January 8th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Blanda had that casche that Farve has now. I remember him coming in like a pinch QB at the end of games and pulling them out.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Dkinght…you are ignorant. You knew that though
January 8th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
GG
Can you give any detail about where those rumors came from. JR on drugs might explain the regression.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
I cant say names, but it’s from someone who knows someone who works inside in the offices/admin area.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Interesting… about that.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Why it’d be good to get Jerry to check them out and get a scoop or confirm or something.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Here are the resumes of Kellen Winslow Sr. (who was inducted into the Hall long ago) and Todd Christensen:
Christensen:
- 5-time Pro Bowler
- 2-time All Pro
- 461 receptions
- 5,872 yards
- 41 TDs
Winslow:
- 5-time Pro Bowler
- 3-time All Pro
- 541 receptions
- 6,741 yards
- 45 TDs
Why was Winslow whisked in one of his first years of eligibility while Christensen is all but forgotten?
January 8th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Yeah,
Blanda would save the bacon over and over. The O-line would always block extra hard for him. He had some miracle comebacks after the starter (Lamonica) either blew the game, or got knocked out.
Then Blanda would kick the extra point.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
no, just a liar
January 8th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
GG
The Raiders are so secrative. I have been puzzled how JR went from his performance against TB last year to how he was in the preseason. If he lost it some how. It seemed if anything he would improve.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
1960AutumnWind…
People dont regress if they’re dedicated and working at it. Only for slacking off etc, and recreational drugs/partying is a very logical/feasible reason why. I’ve had friends who lost their jobs after gradually getting worse and worse (regressing) due to late nights, partying, recreational use. It makes sense, the rumor. Thus, probably the Bush one too. The Cable one, if true already packed up his stuff, then surely something that can be confirmed with a little Jerry checking up.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
GG, who do you speculate will be the next HC?
January 8th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Hell, even scheet kicking cowboys’ children from Wyoming score higher on standardized tests than liberal elitists’ children from Bo’s Michigan
Math Wy 282 Mich 277
Reading Wy 268 Mich 261
Science Wy 159 Mich 155
lmao
January 8th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
CaptainBlack…
I would speculate Jim Fassell due to the Vegas, Losman, and son already a coach, connection.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
err I was looking 4 the Raider blog..
January 8th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
GG, Fassel would not be a good choice in my opinion. I hope that is not the case
January 8th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
408 lmao
I brought this up earlier and only got one comment. (Maybe because we went Politico)
What do you guys think of Brian Billick?
January 8th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Raiders Still Considering Harbaugh: Reports
By JOE KUKURA
Updated 4:00 PM PST, Fri, Jan 8, 2010
That one-week reprieve on your possible firing is putting no stop to rumors of who they might replace you with, Tom Cable. Several of the most plugged-in NFL gossipmongers are breaking reports that the Oakland Raiders are still considering Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, should they dump Cable.
ProFootballTalk.com’s head snoop Mike Florio hears the Raiders are mulling Harbaugh for their head coaching position, as are the Buffalo Bills. NFL Network’s Jason LaCanfora hears the same, with the “Raiders particularly worth monitoring.”
Before his three seasons at Stanford, Harbaugh had been a offensive assistant coach on the 2002 Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl. Harbaugh is said to still have a very warm relationship with Mr. Davis.
The ProFootballTalk report describes Harbaugh as a “steath” candidate, meaning his Stanford recruitment efforts would prohibit the Raiders from publicly acknowledging that they were interviewing or pursuing him.
LaCanfora’s report ends ominously with, “Harbaugh has been doing research and preparing should an opportunity arise.” So that Stanford contract extension through 2014 Harbaugh signed recently may or may not be worth the paper it’s printed on.
Harbaugh coached Stanford to an 8-5 season and a Sun Bowl appearance this year.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
But just want to say, this is why even when the origin of the rumors is trustable, some rumors are true but others end up not.
Like I heard another rumor from someone else altogether, who works along the sidelines, that Davis was going to cut Russell pretty much for sure. Yet, that mightnt happen. Same person who told me that Davis was pissed off at Marshall after the Eagles game for blitzing that much and defying the gameplan they’d talked about doing, and that he would be fired that week. Obviously never happened, but in the end it was true—Davis WAS pissed off with Marshall for that tho he didnt fire him.
Grain of salt when you hear rumors. Cos some of them ARE true, and the truth comes out. While some are true but get embellished a little by the person giving out the info. Etc.
But if Cable is already packed up, surely something Jerry can find out. Not sure if he’s allowed to rumor-mongor tho.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
GG, who do you speculate will be the next HC?
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Another Al Davis’ Lap Dog!
January 8th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Nnamdi, you wont change so why bother. I call you what you are. Get it?
January 8th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
CaptainBlack:-
GG, Fassel would not be a good choice in my opinion. I hope that is not the case
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Probably why it would be true, lol. Davis only seems to make suspect decisions/choices these days.
Personally, I would’ve loved it if he brought Gruden back, gave him the roster control he wanted, got Allen back etc. But Fassell at least is competent in comparison to Cable as a HC. Cable had the players working for him, but he was out of his depth too, and made plenty of blunders, and lacked vision as a strategist. Fassell, Harbough and Gruden would be better strategists, football minds.
But what the Raiders desperately need is a proper GM, that whole structure and chain of command installed. Cos all the coaching changes wont make a huge difference if Davis is still tyrannically controlling everything from scouting to defensive gameplanning etc.
Once that structure was put in place, you would see significant improvement because competent coaches like Fassell or Gruden would be able to put “themselves” into it more, tailor things, have authority to do stuff without looking over their shoulders, etc.
Fassell could probably improve us to 6-10 or 8-8, but if he had more autonomy, had a proper and good GM, we might be able to do 10+ immediately, due to just running a broom thru the roster.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Dakota Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Raiders Still Considering Harbaugh: Reports
By JOE KUKURA
Updated 4:00 PM PST, Fri, Jan 8, 2010
That one-week reprieve on your possible firing is putting no stop to rumors of who they might replace you with, Tom Cable. Several of the most plugged-in NFL gossipmongers are breaking reports that the Oakland Raiders are still considering Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh, should they dump Cable.
ProFootballTalk.com’s head snoop Mike Florio hears the Raiders are mulling Harbaugh for their head coaching position, as are the Buffalo Bills. NFL Network’s Jason LaCanfora hears the same, with the “Raiders particularly worth monitoring.”
Before his three seasons at Stanford, Harbaugh had been a offensive assistant coach on the 2002 Raiders team that went to the Super Bowl. Harbaugh is said to still have a very warm relationship with Mr. Davis.
The ProFootballTalk report describes Harbaugh as a “steath” candidate, meaning his Stanford recruitment efforts would prohibit the Raiders from publicly acknowledging that they were interviewing or pursuing him.
LaCanfora’s report ends ominously with, “Harbaugh has been doing research and preparing should an opportunity arise.” So that Stanford contract extension through 2014 Harbaugh signed recently may or may not be worth the paper it’s printed on.
Harbaugh coached Stanford to an 8-5 season and a Sun Bowl appearance this year.
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If the old man knows whats good for him, the organization and team, then he better HIRE JIM HARBAUGH and hire a REAL GM so they can work together to turn the ship around!
January 8th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
4eva, tell them about Al Locasale
January 8th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
My vote would be Ray Guy. When he first came on the scene, the game changed. Lester “the molestor” was a great CB. Although I really wonder how many INT’s he would have had without his total exposure to Stick’um. He was literally covered head to toe with the stuff. The rule change directed at Stick’um was actually directed at our own Lester Hayes #37
January 8th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
I seriously don’t understand the fascination over Jim Harbaugh, he is a college coach, college coaches rarely succeed in the NFL. I would rather go with a guy like Steve Mariucci, Joe Philbin (Packers offensive Coordinator)or even Mike Heimerdinger (Tennessees Offensive coordinator). These guys know how to develop a young QB, not saying they need to work with Jabust but they can help guys like Losman, Grad or if we even sign Jason Campbell or Michael Vick, everyone keeps saying we need OL, or DL, I think we need a smart offensive minded coach, someone who can create new schemes everyweek rather than a guy like Cable who will keep doing the same thing over and over again. Jim Harbaugh is a good coach but under AL system, he will become another Norv Turner. Therefore, the next head coach needs to have some form of experience either developing a QB or coaching a bad team run by a tyrant, Mariucci fits that bill, he coached the Lions ran by Matt Millen, he will know what to do with AL. Maybe convince him to hire a guy like Mike Mayock as a GM. Wishful thinking but bottom line something needs to change, but dont change to the worst, change with something that works.
January 8th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
your right 408, keep Cable and Hackett and hire a offensive coordinator. Sounds like Seattle new they could get Carroll b4 they fired Mora so let’s do the same and take a look at Harbaugh and if he aint interested keep Cable, the boys like him
January 8th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
It doesn’t and hasn’t mattered who the coach is since Gruden was run outta town.
When Chucky and Bruce were sent packin they took any integrity,intelligence,common sense that was left of this organization with them.
The old man is runnin the show so whoever he props up on the sideline matters about as much as what I ate for breakfast.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
M Lonetree
I am pretty sure most coaches played in the NFL, whats your point? In my opinion, it dont matter if a college coach played the game or not, what you need to understand that in college its totally different ball game, as far as recruiting goes, game management, speed of the game, preparations and schemes. A college head coach has more time to prepare against other teams cause the season is shorter than the NFL. The stuff they got are more than the NFL. In contrast, the Nfl head coach needs to do more then the average college coach, therefore experience is the key, experience in dealing with a tyrant owner is another key. Why do you think Shanahan sent the Redskins to hire GM Bruce Allen before the end of the season, he knew when tough times comes, he needs to man to back him up, do you think AL has the patience to listen to a losing coach ? No, AL listen to a bully like Herrera. Whomever the next head coach is, he needs to convince AL that a GM must be placed before his hiring otherwise you will see another good coach like Norv Turner losing 11 games next season. College coaches never in their lifes dealt with a man like AL, they are used to being in charge, we need a coach who knows how to win without being in charge? is that possible ? yes, as long as a GM is there to babysit AL.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
If Brett leads the queens to the SB and wins the MVP, will Al hire him to lead us to the promised land?
January 8th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Raider4eve,
I’m pretty sure that MOST head coaches never played in the NFL. And as for your surmisal that college coaches have more time because of a less lengthy schedule, recruitment ventures are seldom a part of NFL coach schedules. Yeah, spring practices vs OTAs. Training camp vs summer practice. 14 game schedule vs 16 game schedule. A coupla weeks dif. The main difference is dealing with men vs boys. Some coaches have and some coaches haven’t.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Pete Carroll to take HC job in Seattle.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
here is a question for you guys instead of politics, since Cleveland Browns wont pay Josh Cribbs the money he clearly deserves, do you think AL should trade for him and sign him for let say 4 years 14 mill with 5 mill signing bonus, would you guys be willing to give up a second rounder for Josh Cribbs?
January 8th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
M Lonetree
My whole point in college vs NFL is that College coaches are in charge of everything as far as building the program the way they see it, in Oakland the WONT happen as you know and everyone knows, AL will never give up his power, therefore if u see a guy like Jim Harbough succeed mainly cause he has the ability to decide everything, in oakland he will fail just like Norv turner did cause those kind of coaches have no experience with dealing with Lord Voldemort i mean AL Davis.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
I would take Cribs but I think Mooch has lost it, if he ever had it to begin with.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
How about this, we give up our 8th overall pick for Vince Wilfork? Proven veteran who can stop the run, allows the Lbs to make plays, especially if we trade up and get a guy like Brandon Spikes. What you guys think?
January 8th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Report: Carroll close to five-year, $35m deal
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 8, 2010 8:12 PM ET
Maybe Leslie Frazier shouldn’t go through with that interview.
Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times reports that Pete Carroll and the Seahawks are “close to a deal” that would pay Carroll $35 million over the next five seasons to be Seattle’s coach and team president.
Carroll has often attributed his mediocre record in New England to his lack of control over personnel. That wouldn’t be a problem in Seattle, where the president tag indicates Carroll would run just about everything.
USC appears to be in the dark about the Carroll stories.
“In the past, [Carroll] hasn’t commented on such report,” USC sports information Tim Tessalone said. “He was not expected in today. I’ve put a message out to him, but haven’t heard back yet.”
With the Seahawks still needing to interview Frazier to comply with the Rooney Rule, we wouldn’t expect to hear anything official from Carroll or the Seahawks soon.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Plunkethead
Cleveland clearly dont want to pay this guy, he wont play for them if he doesnt get paid, aka Randy Moss style trade me or else you will get 50% of my game. Holmgren offered him 1.4 per year while he is getting something like 675,000 right now, he is clearly the most underpaid player in this league as far as contribution goes. He single handily won the Pittsburgh game for them. I would rather see us trade our picks since AL will clearly draft speedsters and get some veterans who could actually play. Josh Cribbs would be utilized enormously in Oakland. He would play special teams, wide reciever/running back, i wouldnt mind trading them DMAC plus second rounder for that guy.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Looks like the Seahawks are SERIOUS about getting out of the cellar…
Too bad Al doesn’t believe in ‘paying’ his coaches NFL type money…
these nobody’s he’s hired work cheap,
and that works for Al!
January 8th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Cribb has fooball skills.
I would work a deal.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
I don’t think Al believes in the ‘return Game’ anymore…
after this seasons disaster returning
kick offs…
January 8th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Cribbs would be a great addition,therefor it won’t happen.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
I’d take Wilfork in a second for our #8, Al tried to get him instead of Seymour. He’s exactly the what our D needs besides LB’s
January 8th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
This we do know: Harbaugh will be revoking scholarships next year. Question is: At Stanford or Oakland?
January 8th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Sorry 504…
You see Arenas last night?? Made himself some money.
Wasn’t that impressed with MT. Cody. Too one dimensional.
January 8th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
timmy brown suckas!
January 8th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Great post Jerry, I love my Raiders!!!!!!!!!
January 8th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
I love this one: lmao.
“There’s an old saying in Tennessee — I know it’s in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can’t get fooled again.” —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
January 8th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Seriously how is Cortez Kennedy on a HOF ballot?
Can we expect Chester McGlockton on next year’s ballot?
January 8th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
1st raider game 4 me at l.a. coliseum, went with my pop warner team, raiders vs. saints, 1994, tim brown being my favorite player scored 2 td’s , caught like 9 balls and the raiders route the cris everret saints, ahh… the good ole’ days.
January 8th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
KK, uhhh, ummm, ohhh.
January 8th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
R-LA, be it what it may, we are all a Raiders Family here, the good with the not so good, but we are still family!
January 8th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
I criticized both. Uhhh, umm, ohhh
January 8th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
I was at the game when Timmy housed that punt return against KC when he was like 37 years old.
The place was going bonkers!!!
January 8th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
But you do not.
January 8th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
But you do not.
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What’s there to criticize, ummmmm, uhmmm, ohhh?????????????
January 8th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
vegas #358, hell yeah after fair catching all the balls previous to that one, it looked scripted.
January 8th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
hey vegas, who would u put money on to make the super bowl this yr. afc/nfc?
January 8th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
My opinion, R-LA, way too soon on that pick, IMO.
January 8th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
yeah, i guess.
January 8th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
R-LA, ever since Heidi, the Raiders have lost at every turn. That’s OK, we play Raider football, everyone else is trying to catch on, Tuck rule, heh heh, ad libem, we are the Raiders, thou not of late, will arise to our lofty status and be feared again, I feel it in my bones, know all decisions are in the best interests of this team, and JR is going into a rehab QB house til August. We can’t lose this year!
January 8th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
860, who will be the HC?
January 8th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
obviously i hope timmy gets in. i really hope he has al give his induction speech. this way the rest of the world can see the complete absence of rationality and lucid thought that al davis is using to bury this franchise.
January 8th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
I truly think for the continuity of this team, we go with Cable guy, He does need help, weather Al gives it to him is up to AD. Our young neculeus, good talent, We need to build BOTH lines in the offseason, bruising n-tackle, MLB, IMHO, We go deep next year, we do have the talent, does JR get off his lazy Azz? IT is up to him, reality is striking home, I am hoping JR has finally got it, he has the talent, and get rid of his enablers and puts his nose to the gringstone. IF JR doesn’t do it this year, he’s young, dump him, it’s in his lap. Do you want to be a NFL QB or not, you have to put in the time, he seem’s to think its owed to him. It is not. It is earned, his team-mates agree, they feel let down. This is supposed to be a TEAM!
January 8th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Wallets are made of cattle! lol
January 8th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
OUT!
January 8th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Jerry –
Yes, as numerous folks have already mentioned – good article about “why cable should stay”.
With that being said, I find it amusing that a few of us around here have been voicing the same opinions about the need for Cable to stay, only to have the majority of you boys and hyenas (Richocrap) ripping us for it.
But when a journalist writes it, it’s gospel for y’all.
Funny stuff.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:52 am
good morning NATION!
January 9th, 2010 at 4:58 am
yo
January 9th, 2010 at 4:58 am
Wow very quite night in here.Eveybody must have got arrested lol
January 9th, 2010 at 5:00 am
Morning 408….
Either everyone got popped or there were a LOT od DELEATED comments
January 9th, 2010 at 5:02 am
What are you doing up at this wonderful hour 408?
January 9th, 2010 at 5:09 am
couldn’t sleep.. So it looks like Pete Carroll is gonna bail on usc.. HA! GO BEARS!
January 9th, 2010 at 5:12 am
I saw you post that yesterday….He had a pretty good run there at USC tho
January 9th, 2010 at 5:18 am
I really think Cable will right this ship…..players like him and play hard for him.I know there are many here that dont want him to be HC,but if we keep changing things up,we always gonna be confused,imo
January 9th, 2010 at 5:20 am
I dont know man.. Its all about what big Al wants… I Just hope we start winning soon.
January 9th, 2010 at 5:26 am
hey 408….see how your moniker is bold letters and mine are thin wimpy letters? How can my moniker have bold letters too?
January 9th, 2010 at 5:28 am
yep Jon Becker must have worked over-time last night lol
January 9th, 2010 at 5:29 am
click on your name where it says logged in as.. and then add something where it says website..
January 9th, 2010 at 5:32 am
what do you mean add “SOMETHING” just type in the word something?
January 9th, 2010 at 5:37 am
and I cant believe tim brown would get in B4 Cliff Branch…..timmy cant even hold Cliff’s jock
January 9th, 2010 at 5:38 am
yeah or past a hyper link or something
January 9th, 2010 at 5:39 am
dont talk bad about Timmy 2 me dude.. Thats my Guy! MR RAIDER himself.. All due respects 2 my man Branch..
January 9th, 2010 at 5:40 am
Cliff Branch changed the way defenses are played.I all started on a Colorodo day where he ran a wind-assisted 9.0 hundred yards….
Branch would line up,look at Stabler,bobble his arms and the DB would start crying =)
January 9th, 2010 at 5:41 am
Sorry 408.I guess I should be more caring about how others feel about certain Raiders….Branch was the bomb tho
January 9th, 2010 at 5:48 am
yo
January 9th, 2010 at 5:54 am
oh well wimpy letters 4me
January 9th, 2010 at 5:55 am
ha ha try it again
January 9th, 2010 at 5:56 am
ok
January 9th, 2010 at 5:57 am
yo =_
January 9th, 2010 at 5:58 am
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
thankx 408
January 9th, 2010 at 5:59 am
ha ha ha.. click on my name.. you still need to step your link game up
January 9th, 2010 at 6:02 am
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE that is the shizzzitt
How I do that?
January 9th, 2010 at 6:05 am
past this —> http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png
where it says website
January 9th, 2010 at 6:14 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/09/report-carroll-agrees-to-coach-seahawks/
January 9th, 2010 at 6:14 am
Bummer for Becker having to spend his Friday night, deleting posts.
But hey, at least it’s work, lol!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Morning vegas.. Hey the man is making his money..
January 9th, 2010 at 6:18 am
A couple paragraphs from an ESPN article:
Revelation No. 2: The old adage of “you win in January by running the football and stopping the run” is dead.
The importance of the Ten Things You Need To Do To Win A Super Bowl In 2010 goes like this: (1) throw the ball; (2) protect your QB; (3) defend the pass; (4) rush the passer; (5) win the turnover battle; (6) don’t let any unit of your special teams consistently murder you; (7) don’t let your coach kill you with boneheaded decisions or poor clock management; (8) run the ball; (9) stop the run; and (10) don’t give away a chance to finish 19-0 in a way that makes your fans feel like you just whipped horse manure at them.
It’s all about flinging the rock now. Look at the 2009 Chargers, the hottest team in football … and a team that can’t run to save its life. Look at this year’s MVP candidates: Rivers, Manning, Brees, Favre, Brady. All quarterbacks. Look at all the game-breaking receivers these days; every team has at least one (and some have two). Look at last year’s Super Bowl, which turned into an exhilarating playground game of pitch-and-catch. Hell, look at the difference in QB statistics in 1999 compared to 2009:
• QBs throwing for more than 4,000 yards: 1999 (five); 2009 (10).
• QBs throwing 26-plus TDs: 1999 (three); 2009 (11).
• QBs completing 335-plus passes: 1999 (two); 2009 (11).
• QBs with a 95-plus passer rating: 1999 (two); 2009 (nine). (Seven of the top 53 QB ratings all-time were posted this season.)
• QBs with 21-plus TDs who were at least plus-9 for TDs versus INTs: 1999 (six); 2009 (14)
• According to Peter King, there were 866 pass plays of 25-plus yards (third-highest since 1992).
Things changed once the spread offense took off, the NFL cracked down on violent hits to receivers and quarterbacks, and Bill Polian’s Chris Crocker-esque whining after the 2004 season’s Pats-Colts playoff game led to the NFL cracking down on physical play from defensive backs. The rest was history. No lead is safe; no over-under is too high. That’s why I laughed when I read Rex Ryan’s quote after his Jets thrashed Cincinnati on Sunday night:
“We’re dangerous. You have to be able to run the football this time of year, and you have to be able to play defense, and we can do that better than any team in the league. That gives us a chance in every game, no matter who we play.”
Umm … not really. You need to be able to throw the ball, Rex. You need to make big plays. You need to be able to play from behind. The rules reward a team that does those three things. That’s what makes Philly so intriguing. Like Steve Nash’s Suns, they don’t have a big guy, they can’t protect the rim and they need to make 3-pointers (or, in this case, connect on some long plays) to have a chance. Nash’s Suns know if their 3s aren’t falling, they will lose. McNabb’s Eagles know if their long passes aren’t connecting, they will lose. But if either team gets hot, look out.
And that’s what Rex Ryan doesn’t seem to understand. The Jets don’t have a chance in every game “this time of year,” because “this time” isn’t like the other times. There’s a reason Dan Marino spends every waking moment wishing he was born in 1981, not 1961.
January 9th, 2010 at 6:22 am
Yo 408, Happy New Year’s bro!!!
I think Cable is staying. With each day that passes, the chances of him staying increase.
January 9th, 2010 at 6:23 am
USC is going to be terrible next year. All the top assistants left, the master recruiter is leaving, and all the top players that are eligible are entering the draft.
January 9th, 2010 at 6:26 am
oh well I’m not as cool as you yet 408
January 9th, 2010 at 6:26 am
Cable watch day 6…
I actually want Cable to stay. So long as we get a OC..
January 9th, 2010 at 6:27 am
Yep if Jon is hiring,I would LOVE to moderate this site lol
January 9th, 2010 at 6:29 am
Morning Nation!
January 9th, 2010 at 6:32 am
vegas raider Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:23 am
USC is going to be terrible next year. All the top assistants left, the master recruiter is leaving, and all the top players that are eligible are entering the draft.
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All bailing due to looming NCAA sanctions for Reggie Bush and Joe McKnight.
January 9th, 2010 at 6:33 am
Last week, Carroll had to give a deposition to the NCAA.
January 9th, 2010 at 6:33 am
test
January 9th, 2010 at 6:34 am
aha !!!
January 9th, 2010 at 6:37 am
was you bad last nite Pete?!?!?!?! lol
January 9th, 2010 at 6:38 am
What did Reggie Bush “supposedly” do? Accept a 59 cent drink from someone?
January 9th, 2010 at 6:39 am
4eva.. You can do it
January 9th, 2010 at 6:41 am
it says link broke
January 9th, 2010 at 6:43 am
Oh I C Pete BOLD LETTERS =) D’OH !
January 9th, 2010 at 6:51 am
4evaRaider Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:38 am
What did Reggie Bush “supposedly” do? Accept a 59 cent drink from someone?
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No, family and himself got thousands of dollars weekly and a houe while at USC.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-bushprobe&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
January 9th, 2010 at 6:52 am
That’s house , not houe(referring to Kim Kardashian)
January 9th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Once again thankx Exla!….
I have no problem if the parents Reggie Bush were provided for to see their son play in a game,with all expenses paid to boot.No telling what sacrifices they had to make for their son to be where he is.So the parents,ALL parents should be exempt from this kind of witch-hunt,imo.
It sounds as if the R.Bush family was in need.Hind-sight is 20/20 but why couldn’t Reggie’s siblings work for the marketers during the recruiting of Bush until after he graduates? This way they could earn their way and the proud tradition of USC and these marketers appearance would be intact?
January 9th, 2010 at 7:06 am
Tim Brown in the HOF before Branch? Shameful!
January 9th, 2010 at 7:08 am
All this came to light in the battle for who would be the agent for Bush. He doublecrossed a committment and revenge happened.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:08 am
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW….
We agree on something CaptainBlack!
It’s a great day to be a Raider Fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 7:09 am
OOOOOH I see exla….yep the good ‘ol double-cross will get you one way or the other lol
January 9th, 2010 at 7:12 am
UCLA had a booster during the Wooden years, Sam Gilbert who provided cars, apts, and money to the team. Got away with it until Wooden retired.
http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11757857
January 9th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Black eyes for everybody!
January 9th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Go Bears!
January 9th, 2010 at 7:29 am
A good morning to the AM crew.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:35 am
And to you Neilbbbbbbbbbbbb
January 9th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Brown ain’t in the Hall yet….
January 9th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Morning 4eva!!
January 9th, 2010 at 7:38 am
Bill Walton said “Booster Sam Gilbert funneled so much money to players that NCAA probationary poster boy Jerry Tarkanian quipped, “The only team with a higher payroll was the Lakers.”
In 1995 Jim Harrick won the NCAA with the Bruins and was fired a year later. Surfaced at Georgia where his son was given a teaching job. Jim Jr. taught players a class featuring exam questions like this one: “How many points does a three-point field goal account for?” Even worse, it was a multiple-choice test. The players got A’s, while Harrick received a $254,166 severance package.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:39 am
but getting back to 100,000″s of $$$$$$$$, as parents Reggie’s Mom had to know this wasnt right.At least present the appearence of work,imo
January 9th, 2010 at 7:40 am
How many points……….?
January 9th, 2010 at 7:41 am
LMAO at the Shark!!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 7:41 am
What where the other questions ? What’s your name ? What’s your favorite colour ?
January 9th, 2010 at 7:46 am
I can’t remember it happening but,has any football game in the nfl been called off because of bad weather ?
I’m asking because just about every game has been called off this weekend over here.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:49 am
those are some pretty tough questions “sometimes”
January 9th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Off to go bet the Bengals. Rookie QB on the road in the playoffs, you bet against that every time.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Neilb….I believe a game in Miami was delayed because of lightning….Also a play-off game in Chicago vs. Philly was called the fogbowl.Watching on tv,you could see the fog a-rolling in off Lake Michigan and by the 2nd qt.,those watching on tv (me) could no longer see the plays
January 9th, 2010 at 7:56 am
I can remember the fogbowl.
But no games have been called off……we’re just soft over here!
January 9th, 2010 at 8:00 am
there was an extremely weird play in the 1st qt. of that fog-bowl neilb.The Eagles were backed-up in their own end-zone and were forced to punt.This is when ALL hell breaks loose.When the ball was snapped,it like floated in slow-motion towards the punter.BUT THEN,with there being NO wind at that moment the ball,still in slow-motion started to CURVE AWAY to the right of the punter.I think the Bears scored right there.But that was the 1st play-off game at Soldier field in 40 years soo all the commentaters said it was the breath of George Halas blowing the ball away
Sorry 4 the story….but they didnt call off the fog-bowl or the Miami game
January 9th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Don’t mind the story.Back in the 80’s we only ever got highlights of games,so that bit of history is welcome.
January 9th, 2010 at 8:21 am
And oh yeah! All the while the punter looks like he is mesmerized by the actions of the ball/His arms were out-stretched waiting 4 the ball but he just stood there and watched the ball.It was eerie like =)
January 9th, 2010 at 8:26 am
You’re starting to scare me now…
January 9th, 2010 at 8:31 am
It as great,They showed it over and over!!!! But like I said, the punter just stood there and watched the ball float away from him.It’s like time stood still and Papa Bear George Halas (RIP) blew that damn ball away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 8:34 am
hahahahahhaha
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/09/usc-recruits-cant-get-assistant-coaches-on-the-phone/
January 9th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Maybe the ball was full of helium.Was Ray Guy at the game ?
January 9th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Hmmmm thats possible lol
January 9th, 2010 at 8:38 am
there all drunk in Baja 408 =)
January 9th, 2010 at 8:46 am
They’re all in Seattle looking for homes.
January 9th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Time to go….
Enjoy your Saturday.
January 9th, 2010 at 9:03 am
U2 Neilb!
January 9th, 2010 at 9:37 am
USC is under investigation for these guys:
Reggie Bush
O.J. Mayo
Joe McKnight
Tim Floyd
Pete Carroll
All those guys are outta there. Too bad SC will have to pay dearly for what those dudes did.
USC will be going into overtime with Washington State for the next 5 years.
January 9th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Didn’t Pete Caroll coach in the NFL before the SC job?
January 9th, 2010 at 9:47 am
To be honest, I line those NCAA rules. The money will be there in a few years when they become PROs. They waited for a long time, but they can’t wait a few more years?!?!
He is a STUDENT Athlete! Most students that come from poor families can barely afford their meals, so Why should Student Athletes be different?
January 9th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Like*
These Student Athletes are getting a chance to get a great education at some of the top schools in the Nation like OSU, Mich, ND, USC, UCLA, etc….
That Should Be Enough! Do you know how Much Tuition Fees, Housing, and meals cost at USC?! A LOT!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Some of the stuff they receive is OK such as suits, but Money, Cars, special gifts, and things for their families is not acceptable.
January 9th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Silver-n-Smac Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Jerry –
Yes, as numerous folks have already mentioned – good article about “why cable should stay”.
With that being said, I find it amusing that a few of us around here have been voicing the same opinions about the need for Cable to stay, only to have the majority of you boys and hyenas (Richocrap) ripping us for it.
But when a journalist writes it, it’s gospel for y’all.
Funny stuff.
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Jerry also wrote on Tuesday during his live broadcast that Cable should go. Yesterday he writes he should stay? Did somebody at HQ give him scoop?
January 9th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Correction: Jerry wrote Cable should get another year. I thought he wrote he should go. I stand corrected.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:07 am
HIRE JIM HARBAUGH!
January 9th, 2010 at 11:09 am
I found one good team defensive statistic. The Raiders were 11th in the league in getting Sacks. That Blitzing sure paid off, Now if our offense was better where it could control the clock and not allow the defense to get worn down with the run.
Fact is Our offense sucks.
Fact is Jamarcus sucks
Fact is We need to improve the line play.
But we can say all of this all we want. But Al Davis will never do it. Don’t be suprised if we pick a Corner back next year in the first round.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:09 am
JIM HARBAUGH will bring in FOOTBALL PLAYERS and NOT TRACK GUYS.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:11 am
860Todd Christensen Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
R-LA, ever since Heidi, the Raiders have lost at every turn. That’s OK, we play Raider football, everyone else is trying to catch on,
RICHOCHET: Wonderful. It’s FlashBack Saturday. Late 70’s. Unfortunately 3 plus decades later, everyone WANTS to play the Raiders. Catch on?
CATCH ON TO WHAT, EXACTLY?
Why do I just know you’ll avoid that question? Hell, I GUARANTEE IT.
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Tuck rule, heh heh, ad libem,
RICHOCHET: ad libem?? ad litem, sure..something the courts will be dealing with, with Al, shortly..but ad libem??
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we are the Raiders, thou not of late, will arise to our lofty status and be feared again, I feel it in my bones, know all decisions are in the best interests of this team, and JR is going into a rehab QB house til August. We can’t lose this year!
RICHOCHET: Funny stuff. “lofty status”?? “feared again”?
Raiders haven’t attained that ‘lofty status’ in over A QUARTER OF A CENTURY.
Even longer since the Raiders were feared.
You sure you have the right team?
January 9th, 2010 at 11:12 am
CaptainBlack Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Correction: Jerry wrote Cable should get another year. I thought he wrote he should go. I stand corrected.
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What confused you, CrossPostingbeyotch?
Was it the BIG LETTERS SAYING WHY CABLE SHOULD STAY?
Jerry needs to remember to keep things simple, for simple people.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Well now, Pete Carroll certainly picked the right moment to bail on SC. With an uncapped year and a billionaire owner he can do just as he did at Southern Cal – sign the best players for the most money.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:24 am
should he stay or should he go>
Its always take,take,take~~~~~
January 9th, 2010 at 11:26 am
I agree DK.
LMAO M
January 9th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Silver-n-Smac Says:
January 8th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Jerry –
Yes, as numerous folks have already mentioned – good article about “why cable should stay”.
With that being said, I find it amusing that a few of us around here have been voicing the same opinions about the need for Cable to stay, only to have the majority of you boys and hyenas (Richocrap) ripping us for it.
But when a journalist writes it, it’s gospel for y’all.
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You’re so slow, lol…it’s almost abuse slapping you around.
Pay attention, Silver-n-Stupid..Jerry didn’t say Cable did a good job. Didn’t actually state he DID ANYTHING WELL.
He stated hard to hold him responsible for the complete total mess called the Raiders.
Actually, what he did state, was that it wasn’t Cable, but AL DAVIS WHO SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE.
Your ignorant ass kind of missed that..conveniently.
As well, starting and ending the topic was discussing OTHER possible head coaches, so the thread sure as hell wasn’t a glaring nod of approval.
Here’s the reality.
Jerry’s basically saying “Doesn’t really matter WHO’S IN THERE, because they’re not in charge anyway..so MIGHT AS WELL KEEP THE GUY WHO BLINDLY STUMBLES ALONG.”
Hell..when one of your “nods” is that you seem to beat up women, and co workers, while still not swaying from being a solidified tree stump at PC’s means you’re at the “better than nothing stage”.
Now..the point???
THAT IT’S ALL ON YOUR HERO, AL DAVIS, FOR THE TOTAL COLLAPSE OF THE RAIDERS SINCE ALLEN AND GRUDEN LEFT.
You clear now, mental midget?
January 9th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Blackout totals: Less than 9 percent of games were blacked out in local markets this season because tickets didn’t sell out – higher than the past few years, but still better than any season before 2005. The Raiders were blacked out in all home games except their opener. The average number of viewers for regular-season games was 16.6 million, the highest total since 1990.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/09/SPL21BFMPC.DTL#ixzz0c98LJ0RX
January 9th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Raiders should thank the NFL for the MNF games.
If not for those, a perfect 0 fer 8 on sell outs.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:57 am
thats a double-edged sword,imo KK
In 3 years when the lease is up you cant blame him if he leaves,for whatever reason.If there is no financial interest by the fans in Oakland,you can bet your bottom dollar there are Raiders fans elsewhere that will show a financial interest
January 9th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Man made bio-plagues
Supervolcanic eruptions
Core magnetic shifts
Asteroid impacts
Massive earthquakes
Nuclear winter
Solar storms
Toxic algal blooms
Gamma ray bursts
average viewership ~ 6.5 billion
blackouts complete (eschatologically speaking)
January 9th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Carson City Raiders kinda has a nice ring,imo
January 9th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Raiders CEO Amy Trask has been doing her part too. She seems to be ignoring the fact that Raider games at the Oakland Coliseum have been blacked out most of the season.
She hasn’t noticed that most jumbotrons in today’s NFL not only have the capability to show replays, but they have high definition screens as well. No, she seems to be content with the jumbotron that has the size and technology of Davis’ overhead projector.
The Oakland Coliseum is considered the worst stadium in the NFL, and at one point, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell couldn’t even hide his shock when he attended a game last season.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Man made bio-plagues
Supervolcanic eruptions
Core magnetic shifts
Asteroid impacts
Massive earthquakes
Nuclear winter
Solar storms
Toxic algal blooms
Gamma ray bursts
average viewership ~ 6.5 billion
blackouts complete (eschatologically speaking)
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Is this your to do list M?
January 9th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Man made bio-plagues
Supervolcanic eruptions
Core magnetic shifts
Asteroid impacts
Massive earthquakes
Nuclear winter
Solar storms
Toxic algal blooms
Gamma ray bursts
average viewership ~ 6.5 billion
blackouts complete (eschatologically speaking)
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now do you people understand why i hate mondays ???
January 9th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
4eva,
Me? No.
I like trees and rocks and lizards and dragonflies and birds and coatimundis and jackfish et alii to ever do things like that.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Now he is witnessing something new: the fans are fed up and beginning to revolt. They have rented billboards, started websites, and circulated petitions. Home games have been blacked out much of the season as ticket sales have been terrible.
My hope is that Davis will see the offers from his former players for what they are—olive branches extended to him for the sole purpose of reviving this once great franchise.
I hope that Davis will see that people like Amy Trask and John Herrera are holding the Raiders and their fans hostage, hoping that once Davis is gone, their efforts of not letting new blood and new ideas in are enough to allow them to continue in the front office.
I hope Al Davis sees that he cannot afford another losing season.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
and blond chimpanzees!
January 9th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
KoolKell,
I would hope that human beings understand the rampant devastation they do cause every moment on this planet and see a way somehow to change their behaviour.
The odds of that happening are worse than AD altering his ways.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
4eva,
the Stella Artois was blond as was the bartender, Miss Belgium
the chimpanzee was black
January 9th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Hello Richochet!
January 9th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Welcome back, KK
January 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
sure M….sure =)
January 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
4eva, how about Las Vegas R-A-I-D-E-R-S!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
> Blackout totals: Less than 9 percent of games were blacked out in local markets this season because tickets didn’t sell out – higher than the past few years, but still better than any season before 2005. The Raiders were blacked out in all home games except their opener. The average number of viewers for regular-season games was 16.6 million, the highest total since 1990.
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Hate to scare some of you with a little math, but this got me to do some number crunching:
- Total NFL home games in a season ( 32 teams * 8 homes ) = 256
- 7 blacked out Raiders games : 256 total games = 2.73%
- Raiders contribution 2.73% : Total blackouts 9% = ~30%
So the Raiders blackouts accounted for a full 30% of ALL NFL blackouts this season. Talk about doing more than their part!
See? Al Davis proves that he can be a league leader still!
January 9th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
How about it!!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Too bad Goodell is a giant vag when it comes to all things Las Vegas.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
I’m looking forward to Cable returning next year.
I’m looking forward to Fargas starting.
I’m looking forward to DMAC not getting enough touches, and when he does he’s going up the middle.
I’m looking forward to the (2) big games Bush will have and him getting benched for a post game comment.
I’m looking forward to our Leading WR ending the season with less yards than two of Randy Moss’ big games.
I’m looking forward to double digit losses.
I’m looking forward to laying huge money against the Raiders the week after one of those wins.
I’m looking forward to the next Cable OL reclamation project.
I’m looking forward to 1st and goal at the 2, and on 4th and goal, our defense trotting out on the field a half second after the snap.
In other words, I’m looking forward to continuity and stability.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
So, The Silver and Black lead the league in Blackouts from the Black Hole.
yay! we’re #1!
January 9th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
504,
You ran off last night before I could ask you about the BCS game.
Mt. Cody didn’t seem very impressive to me. I know it was not his “type” of game, but half a sack in two years? 2nd rounder, IMO.
I think Javier Arenas worked his way into the 1st round. Dude is going ball in the NFL, I am telling you.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
504, I do believe you are correct.
January 9th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Another interesting tidbit: http://pages.citebite.com/t2b0c6e9n8sqt
Ties into an analysis that I saw on a playoffs pregame show this morning. They were breaking down the #1 Jets rushing offense and broke down the play of the offensive line. Then they gave credit for their success to the OL coach. A guy named Bill Callahan.
That names sounded familiar . . . it ties back to a previous post I made an article or so back. During Gruden’s heyday, Callahan was the OL coach. Gannon had oodles of time to pick apart a defense and Wheatley was dominant. As Callahan picked up more OC and then HC responsibility, the play of the same OL personnel went noticeably downhill.
This is totally relevant to the current situation with the Raiders today. As Cable, once a stats proven top OL coach, takes on more responsibility the OL play drops and down goes the offense with it. And this is why I’m optimistic that if he kept on as HC and drops some duties to spend more time with the OL that he can do the same thing that Callahan has done with the Jets.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Go Bengals
January 9th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Vegas,
It’s hard to see Cody’s impact unless you strictly focus on him and not the ball. I saw Cody many times push the center and guard back towards the QB. That’s part of the reason Mack Brown put the QB in the shotgun to give him more time. Cody’s impact is other guys freed to make plays and they did.
Arenas had a great game but like I said, Kareem Jackson is their best corner. On Arenas first int if you watch the replay, Jackson had man coverage on the intended target and would have gotten the int. Arenas was in a zone and stepped in front of both of them for the pick. Jackson gets Nnamdi treatment from QBs.
Javier Arenas 5′9” 198 lbs.
Kareem Jackson 5′11” 192 lbs.
I’m no GM but will not be surprised if Jackson gets drafted ahead of Arenas.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Zymurge,
Sounds good but Callahan dropped down to his specialty.
Cable needs to go down to his specialty and that won’t happen in Oakland.
Callahan and Cable are not good Head Coaches. Just OL coaches.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Jackson don’t return kicks. Arenas will provide an instant impact to whatever team drafts him returning both kicks and punts.
I like the way Arenas plays, he is in the slot a lot, blitzes a lot, around the ball a lot. I saw him give up ONE reception on a rub play and that was really it. He might might be a late first-rounder and go to a good team and make an impact.
We have to stop the run, our number one issue (besides Al and all that,lol) so I would support Cody on our team fully. I just don’t think he is going top 20 really, we might be able to get him at #40 in the 2nd, which would be ideal. I am hoping for Gerald McCoy at #8. If he falls to us, we should get him.
Jackson-Arenas, we shall see the better pro.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
r8eray Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
4eva, how about Las Vegas R-A-I-D-E-R-S!!!
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the local population would go up by 1,I know 4sure =)
January 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Trade Nnamdi for wilfork…
January 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
I just watching the video of John Herrera and Tim Kamikazi! John, John, John
January 9th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
I WAS just watching the video of John Herrera and Tim Kamikazi! John, John, John
That is better
January 9th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Trestman will be the Raiders new headcoach, thats on the rumor mill on espn.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Trestman obviously would keep Paul Hackett
January 9th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Trestman would do what Al wants. Nothing will change. What did the ESPN report actually say?
January 9th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
It’s sad that we have to talk draft. Would be much better talking playoffs.
Way to go Al. Great job play-calling Tom, and way to be a professional Jamarcus.
Bunch of jerks!!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Paul Hackett will stay and so will Gradkowski he has 3 years with Hackett. Jmac will have to compete.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
You have to be an ESPN insider to read the whole script. I only read the headline “Trestman to Oakland”
January 9th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
yep the jets jets jets embarrassed us….Go Bengals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 9th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
I think Trestman would work wonders with the 3 backs we have. A lot like he did with Garner and Wheatly. He also has faster wideouts then he had with Rice, Brown, Porter. We will need to upgrade the O-Line though.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Rumors of Kiffin ditching Tennesse for USC. On ESPN
January 9th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Jerry always says Trestman left on bad terms. If Al brought him back as HC, it would just show how much of a puppet Trestman is.
Although he can certainly call plays better than Cable, I don’t think he is HC material. Trestman as OC, now your talking.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Rumors of Jmarcus doubling his salary from Oakland in Vegas. Rumors of Al Davis seeling the franchise or part of it to Tiger Woods.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Yeah they were teasing us with the info. Trestman makes sense, but I remember Callahan stripped him of play calling responsibilities.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Vegas,
I was just thinking that and was about to post it before I got distracted and took a phone call.
You are correct in that Arenas stock will rise because of the KR threat. And he does look like a better fit in the slot.
I would love to get Cody in the second round. To me he’s a taller and more athletic version of Gilbert Brown.
I would hope that we can get the best available OL in the first and see how far Cody drops. We may have to trade up from that 2nd rounder but what the hell.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Nnamdi for Wilfork? NE would have to throw in a draft pick too
January 9th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
The Raiders need to shed itself of John Herrera
January 9th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
John could go back to wiping clean footballs
January 9th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Damn, in 10 years Joe Gibbs will look like Al Davis.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Parlay the Bungals/Beagles straight up.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Wilfork for Nnamdi and our 1st from 2011.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
They also have rumored Vick coming in. Witch makes sense if our O-Line is still in shambles.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Trestman is a coach now although not in the NFL.
I wold still like to see him in Oaktown as coach and maybe Leach as OC, cause he wont be coaching anytime soon. Then if Jmac gets out of line throw his ass in the broom closet.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Vick would never come to Oaktown, so long as he retains his mentor (Dungee)
January 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Trestman is a coach now although not in the NFL.
I wold still like to see him in Oaktown as coach and maybe Leach as OC, cause he wont be coaching anytime soon. Then if Jmac gets out of line throw his ass in the broom closet.
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Can’t have a broom in the closet without a mop. Put Cornell Green in there with him.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Good point RAYDA,
but for a chance to be a starter and if Al does indeed have someone in m ind to be GM who knows.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Tim Brown is not a first ballot hall of fame candidate. He is not even the greatest wide receiver in Raiders history. He is behind Freddy B, Branch, Jerry Rice and I know I’m missing one from the 60s. Warren Wells was more dangerous. He was a very good receiver on Raider teams that made the playoffs a couple of times before Gruden. I think he was jealous of Rice. There was one game vs. K.C. that he whined the whole week before about not getting the ball. Well, Gannon completes something like 13 passes to him. The result. Raiders lose. He was the 3rd option behind Rice and Charlie Garner. Check out his Super Bowl stats. Maybe 2 receptions. In that game he was the 4th option behind Rice, Garner and Porter. Ray Guy, Lester Hayes, Branch and Plunkett deserve to go in before he does. He was not better than Art Monk. How long did it take for hime to get in(or is he in). Just the facts.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
504 RAIDER,
One of my favorite movies “A Bronx Tale” when Sonny says “put him in the bathroom”.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see Vick or McNabb, and we may need either if our o-line doesn’t improve.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
If Cris Carter gets in then Tim Brown gets in how quickly we forget how good he was for us. The last thing we need is for more Raiders to get snubbed from the Hall Of Fame.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Vick never impressed me as a QB. And with all those dogs running loose in Oakland, he may have a relapse. I could see him using the Coliseum as a dog fighing venue.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
It’s gonna be hard for Timmy to get in this year considering Rice and Carter are shoe-ins, too many receivers.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
R8dr4lfe21,
More like “Put em in da ba-chroom”
Classic Movie, still watch it.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Vick has always been an eye popper with is feet and sometimes with his arm. With him you have to respect his legs so the Defense will have to spy leaving 1 less person to cover or blitz. And with Trestman or Leach as a playcaller they will pick a defense apart.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
With coffee cakes, jo-jo the whale, and freakin mush.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
You could do the same with Gradkowski or Russell. But running a QB out of the pocket is risky. Gannon did it a lot his first few years in Oakland and it was effective. I don’t believe we need Vick here
January 9th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
What’s the story with Brohm. I thought he’d be a pretty good pro prospect. Another Louisville star to hook up with Bush.
January 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I’m gonna go get tha papers, get tha papers.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Does anyone know why Mike Martz is blacklisted in the league.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
We dont need Vick true but would be nice to have. Gradkowski is a hard worker but his deep passes are not very accurate. Al will never go back to a west coast offense, and Vick gives him the arm he covets. Trestman will burn you deep Gannon never had the arm for his offense and we never had the speed at WR either. Now we have speed with Murphy and Chaz, with Zack over the middle along with Dmac on the flat or bush running up the gut with a power blocking scheme. Tell me that doesnt sound nice, hell even making Dmac a pure WR he is built for it. Chaz, Murphy, Dmac, with an improved DHB being our 4th.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I’m gonna go get tha papers, get tha papers.
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Quit breathing on me… your breathing all over me.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
I’m gonna go get tha papers, get tha papers.
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I watch so many I get them tied together. That was Goodfellas.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
haha it was but also a good movie.
Joe Pesci is the sh!t in that movie.
“Dance spider you freakin prick”
“i like this 1 you got 1 dog looking 1 way and the other looking the other way, and this guy looks like hey what do you want from me”.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
LMFAO!
January 9th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Would you trade Bush straight up for Lynch?
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-01-09/report-bills-rb-lynch-accused-theft
January 9th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Lynch is a $$$$$$$….if he’s stooooopid enough to steal 20.00 we dont want him
January 9th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Test
January 9th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
So Moderator
The fact that it takes Al Davis 1/2 hour to walk from his limo to the front door is verbotten?
January 9th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
To say Davis still has a hand in day-to-day operations would be a gross exaggeration. One fan described Davis’ fifty-foot walk from his limo to the front door as “heartbreaking.” He said that Davis would stop every few feet and lean heavily on his walker to catch his breath while he engaged and talked to fans. His mind is still sharp, but his body has become weak and requires much rest.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
What’s up RAIDER NATION? Hope Tim makes it this year or next.One of my favorite all-time RAIDERS
1. Ken Stabler
2. Tim Brown
3. Bo Jackson
4. Jim Plunkett
5. Tom Flores
January 9th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Al’s pride kickin in if he doesn’t want to use a scooter and still prefers the walker.
January 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Nice list RMarty, but Marcus Allen has to be there.
My all time top 5 least favorite ex-Raiders…
1. Sapp
2. Moss
3. Biekert
4. Hall
5. Sands
January 9th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
That was a pretty pass.
Sancho looks much improved.
January 9th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Bungles fans are booing already
January 9th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
JERRY WAKE UP
YOUR BLOG DIED AGAIN
Thats what you get for allowing those rednecks to talk politics
January 9th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Is there any excuse for JR lovers seeing a rookie QB Sanchez shining in his first postseason?
January 9th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
The Raiders beat the Bengals. Enough said.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
STEEL CAGE DEATH MATCH
REX DOUBLE CHIN RYAN VRS TOM PIMP HAND CABLE
Who would you bet on?
January 9th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Tom would batter him like Willis thumped Hiram
January 9th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
I am betting the house on the beagles.
Romo is overdue to lay an egg
The Jets sure do look good.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
A 1st year successful HC making the playoffs, a successful rookie QB with a 139 rating, a successful playoff game win – everything we are NOT.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Cable would destroy Ryan until Rob and Buddy jumped into the ring at hit Cable with a chair.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
My prediction – Time for the Eagles to go down once again. After all, Dallas got the Arkansas RB that can really play RB. If the Dallas D shows up tonight, the Dallas O should have enough to win this evening.
January 9th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Nice list RMarty, but Marcus Allen has to be there.
My all time top 5 least favorite ex-Raiders…
1. Sapp
2. Moss
3. Biekert
4. Hall
5. Sands
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Biekert was a great Raider. What are you saying?
January 9th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Lets all hope on Monday that good things happen for the Nation… We could all use a bit of good news here!
January 9th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
JB i can’t argue your point about the better Arkansas rb. LoL However i hope Philly rips Dallas a new one and my boy Mcabb hopefully get’s his ring. I used to watch him ball when i lived up in Cuse.
If Al was smart he would do what it takes to get S. Rogers or C. Hampton then use the 1st round on OT or MLB. Then again we’re talkin about Al. You spend your time worrying about going after former players, coaches and media. LoL C’mon playa! Al hang it up man, it’s not too late to hire a GM.
January 9th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
If Brown gets in, does Al induct him?
January 9th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
In an odd twist of circumstance, another former Raider reached out, not to the Raider organization, but to Raider fans.
Former coach Jon Gruden and current ESPN analyst was covering the 49ers-Cardinals game in San Fransisco on December 14th, and made a pit stop in Ricky’s Sports Bar just outside of Oakland. He signed autographs and mingled with fans much of the night. Gruden also purchased a Bo Jackson jersey for himself and Raider hats for the Monday Night Football crew.
When Gruden was asked if he would coach the Raiders again, he was quoted as saying, “tomorrow if I could.”
January 9th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Cowboys puttin’ a beat down.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Wonder if the Saints can right the ship. Cowboys gettin hot at the right time. D is playing well. Got Phillies number.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
GM.
330.Rayda23059 Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
If Brown gets in, does Al induct him
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If he’s still alive he does.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Is there any excuse for JR lovers seeing a rookie QB Sanchez shining in his first postseason?
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HELLO!!!
Look at the all star O line who, btw, lead the League in rushing.
Look what Matt Ryan did with Atlantas run game. Not as dynamic this year huh and just cuz Sanchez managed the game and was able to throw high percentage pass routes doesn’t mean he’s King Sh*t of Diaper mountain.
He still threw 20 picks this year.
Russell?
He’s got next year.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Rush Limbaugh was right McNabb isnt a very good Qb.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Maclin vs DHB, hmmmm, that’s a tough one
January 9th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Hire Gruden or Harbaugh as Head Coach!
January 9th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Is there any excuse for JR lovers seeing a rookie QB Sanchez shining in his first postseason?
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HELLO!!!
Look at the all star O line who, btw, lead the League in rushing.
Look what Matt Ryan did with Atlantas run game. Not as dynamic this year huh and just cuz Sanchez managed the game and was able to throw high percentage pass routes doesn’t mean he’s King Sh*t of Diaper mountain.
He still threw 20 picks this year.
Russell?
He’s got next year.
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HELLO!!!!.
Russell had LAST YEAR AND HE WAS THE WORST STARTING QB IN THE WHOLE FREAKING LEAGUE.
HELLO!!!!
Russell had THE YEAR BEFORE, AND IN THAT YEAR HE WAS ALSO THE WORST STARTING QB IN THE LEAGUE.
I told you, fool. You’re stuck with that silly XS Russell jersey.
Your friends laugh at you.
Posters on this board laugh at you.
It’s because your whiney pathetic ass was literally crying when Russell got benched the first time..you threw a major hissy fit when he got benched for good, and now you’re reduced to the lowest of the low..”wait until next year”..WORDS ONLY SPOKEN BY LOSERS.
January 9th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Russell better take a huge paycut if he wants to stay on the team and TRY and EARN his way back as a starter.
First thing is to hire a personal trainer and lose 15-20 pounds….get in the best shape of his life in the offseason and work with a QB coach on fundamentals to prepare for training camp.
If he doesn’t do any of it….then his azz needs to be cut!
January 9th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
I agree DK007. If Russell doesn’t show significant improvement and take a pay cut by the final cut day, he should be outta Oakland. I am ok with Gradkowski starting going into next year, but I’d like to draft a QB at some point in this year’s draft. Jevan Snead in the 3rd or Dan LaFevour in the 4th would be nice…..
January 9th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Aside from QB, I’d love to see us improve our RG, RT, DT/NT, and MLB either thru the draft or free agency. WR and CB are secondary concerns cuz I don’t think we have good depth at those positions. Murphy and Schilens will be the starting wide outs next year, but I don’t think we have much beyond them except maybe JLH. DHB is the 2009 version of Troy Williamson…..
January 9th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
STEEL CAGE DEATH MATCH
REX DOUBLE CHIN RYAN VRS TOM PIMP HAND CABLE
Who would you bet on?
………………
Rex Ryan.
Never seen Rex throw down but here’s what we know about Cable:
Hits women.
The only guy we know he beat up is a scrawny little worm.
Cowers to an 80 year old, senile boss when he has a contract which guarantees him money.
Rex Ryan would pimp slap Tom Cable.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Nnamdi for Wilfork? NE would have to throw in a draft pick too
………………..
You’re crazy. Spoke it like a true Raider fan who buys into the nonsense that shut down corners are the key to a defense.
In today’s league, a run stopper in the front 4 is FAR more valuable than a good quarterback. This is taking into account Nnamdi being arguably the best in the game. Doesn’t matter. A mediocre run stopping mammoth in the front 7, especially the front 4, is worth more than the best cornerback in the game.
We’ve got the best CB tandem in the game right now. What’s it done for our defense? You put Wilfork up front with Seymour, on the other hand? Lights’ out. Nnamdi will be missed in some aspects but our defense will only improve.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Replace “mediocre” with “decent”. A decent run stopping mammoth in the front 4, is what I meant to say. I’m tired. Bad choice of words. “mediocre mammoth” is kind of an oxymoron. LOL.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
And of course, “good cornerback” instead of “good quarterback”. I’m tired. I’ll try again tomorrow. LOL. Later.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Would really like for Gerald McCoy to fall to us….
January 9th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Based on tonight’s game one could easily make the case that t’s time for the Eagles to get into a full rebuilding mode. I think there’s a strong possibility that Donovan McNabb has played his last game with the Eagles. The can trade him for a 2nd round pick I’d think & they have a decent back-up ready to take he reigns. Westbrook has also probably sen his last days with the Eagles. He might be worth a 3rd or 4th round pick. It would be higher but his concussion history is working against that.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
# Demon Raider Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
I agree DK007. If Russell doesn’t show significant improvement and take a pay cut by the final cut day, he should be outta Oakland. I am ok with Gradkowski starting going into next year, but I’d like to draft a QB at some point in this year’s draft. Jevan Snead in the 3rd or Dan LaFevour in the 4th would be nice…..
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Taking Snead in the 3rd Round would be a great pick IMO!
He would be able to sit and learn under Harbaugh and Hackett for a year.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
When the 8th pick comes around we need to pick the best player available as long as he’s a OLT, C, MLB or DT. If we can get the ranchise LT we can move Super Mario to the ORT position where I think he’ll do better. I can see Gallery & Walker at guard but we need a dominant center too. Satelle & Morris at best are mediocre back-ups. Our LB situation is also of concern. All but 1 of the starters, Scott are FA. Most of the back-ups are also FA so who do we keep? I think the real question is are we going to run a 3-4 or 4-3 defense next year. We should keep either Morrison or Howard but probably not both. Howard is quicker and good in coverage but a liability against the run. The same can be said for Morrision except he really strays from his lanes and constantly takes poor angles on pursuits. Maybe the LB’s on our taxi squad may help here.
The long & Short of it is that we need OLT, C, DT, MLB, G, CB, OT, PR/KR.
I’d also like to see us bring in Troy Smith, QB-RFA from the Ravens. Then let Smith, Gradkowski, Frye, Losman & JaBustus, if he’s still here, compete for the starting position.
January 9th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
If the price is right, I can see us re-signing both Morrison and Howard. At the very least, Seymour is gonna get tagged if he doesn’t get a deal. I would love for us to draft MLB Rolando McClain with our first pick, assuming that DT Gerald McCoy doesn’t fall to us and that McClain declares. I can see Walker playing RG and I am ok with that, but I think he might be a better back up though. I know it’s crazy, but I have seen projections where OT Trent Williams slips into the 2nd. There are some quality OL in the 3rd… I would love for these to be our first 4 picks:
1. DT Gerald McCoy
2. ILB Brandon Spikes
3. OT Ciron Black
3. OG Jon Asamoah
I’d prefer for OG Mike Johnson to slip to our second 3rd round pick, but I think that is unlikely….
January 9th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
C Matt Tennant from BC would be a decent pick in the 3rd, but he’d be better value in the 4th round, IMO…
January 9th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Scott has been pretty good as a rush LB, but I think he’s better suited as a down end. Aside from DT McCoy and MLB McClain, I wouldn’t mind seeing either DE Derrick Morgan or OT Bruce Campbell taken either….
January 9th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Demon – I have no problem with those picks. I would however like to get a dominant C like Tennant with the #2 or 3A pick. The center is really key to the running game as well as the signal caller for blocking assignments on passing downs. That position is just too damned important to have a second rater like Satelle or Morris in there. It will all depend who’s available when our turn pops up.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:00 am
Parting thought for the evening: I’m not sure which is really worse for the fans, not making the playoffs or making them & getting blown out on the first round. I guess only the Bengals & Eagles can answer that question so far this year.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:08 am
> You’re crazy. Spoke it like a true Raider fan who buys into the nonsense that shut down corners are the key to a defense.
In today’s league, a run stopper in the front 4 is FAR more valuable than a good quarterback. This is taking into account Nnamdi being arguably the best in the game. Doesn’t matter. A mediocre run stopping mammoth in the front 7, especially the front 4, is worth more than the best cornerback in the game.
We’ve got the best CB tandem in the game right now. What’s it done for our defense? You put Wilfork up front with Seymour, on the other hand? Lights’ out. Nnamdi will be missed in some aspects but our defense will only improve.
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Maybe I too am a “true Raider fan” because I beg to differ with this assessment (even including the modifications from mediocre to decent). A top tier CB is easily of equal if not superior value to a top tier DT. But you don’t have to believe my opinion. Let’s look at the collective wisdom of the entire pool of NFL executives.
If you can agree that we can use a metric such as annual cap value to equate to the relative value to a team that teams place on a player, then we can look at actual contracts/cap values and see what the NFL thinks: http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/default.aspx gives us the data that we need. Plug in the top 25 salaries (displayed ranked by cap value, not actual compensation for a given year) for both 2009 DT and 2009 CB and you’ll see that it’s not even close.
The top paid DT would be #3 on the CB ladder, while the top 7 or so CBs top the #2 DT. Meanwhile, the #10-#20 range of DTs (a fair place to put the “decent” caliber players) are on average about 10% lower paid than their peers on the CB ladder.
Cap value is a great measure of supply and demand in NFL talent. Where supply is low, such as elite level shut down CBs, the demand is high enough for teams to allocate a larger share of their limited cap space to secure such a commodity. Given the dropoff in cap hits to DTs beyond the top few, it looks like the consensus valuation of mid level DTs is that they aren’t that hard to find.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:12 am
I think picking a bookend LT like Campbell, Williams, or Davis should be the pick at #8 currently. It will strengthen the O-Line tremendously. Move Mario to RT and with Gallery at LG and L Walker moving to RG…..the line will be more powerful. If the old man picks a LT, then he better be damn sure he has LONG arms and has good footwork and balance. Gallery has aligator short arms and I don’t know how that got passed the scouts before drafting him.
Yes, a Center is needed to compete with Satele and Morris, but picking a Center with the #8 pick is silly and stupid. Then again, this is the looney old man Al we are talking about so it is possible. LOL
Just as I feared….after seeing Cody in the title game…..I still don’t think he is worth the #8 pick overall. He has weight issues and will be a two down player in the NFL. Those two reasons mean he is not worth the #8 overall pick.
New Raider mini mock by me….I like this one. Especially if Harbaugh is hired as Head Coach…..
Rd 1- LT Bruce Campbell, Maryland
Rd 2- DE Corey Wootton, Northwestern
Rd 3a- MLB Micah Johnson, Kentucky
Rd 3b- QB Jevan Snead, Ole Miss
Rd 4- DT Ekom Udofia, Stanford, or DT Geno Adkins, Georgia
Rd 5a- OG Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
Rd 5b- CB/KR Devin McCourty, Rutgers
January 10th, 2010 at 12:13 am
There are some guys I would love for Oakland to target these free agents either cuz they can start right off the bat or they got great upside….
OG Logan Mankins- Patriots
OT Jared Gaither- Ravens
OT Marcus McNeil- Dolts
DT Barry Cofield- Giants
DE Ray Edwards- Vikings
DT Fred Robbins- Giants
DE Will Smith- Saints
DT Vince Wilfolk- Patriots
DE/LB Elvis Dumervil- Donkeys
DE/LB James Harrison- Steelers
LB D’Qwell Jackson- Browns
MLB Barrett Ruud- Bucs
MLB De Meco Ryans- Texans
CB Richard Marshall- Panthers
WR Miles Austin- Cowgirls
WR Vincent Jackson- Dolts
WR Brandon Marshall- Donkeys
That is my list of possible free agents to target…. A lot more than I thought…
January 10th, 2010 at 1:38 am
I would like either mccoy or mclain in the first round as well. Al will be busy in free angency this year I believe because he stated big time change will come this season.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:40 am
Here’s why Tim Brown should be in the HOF:
Member of the All Rookie team
9 time Pro Bowler
6 time All AFC team member
Member of NFL 1990’s All Decade Team
9 straight seasons with 1,000 + receiving yards
Averaged 87 catches per year for ten straight years
Was great in special teams also – led the league in kickoff returns, return yards, and yards per return average as a rookie. Also led NFL in punt returns one more time, and holds record for oldest player to return a punt for a TD
14,934 receiving yards are 2nd highest total in NFL history
1,094 receptions are 3rd in NFL history
100 touchdown catches are 3rd in NFL history
19,682 combined yards are 5th in NFL history
Raiders’ all-time leader in games played with 224, also leads in receptions, receiving yards, and punt return yards.
And for kicks don’t forget his college career, even though it’s not technically part of the NFL HOF criteria, it shows that Brown was a stud from the time he first walked onto a field: Heisman Trophy winner, Walter Camp Award winner, 2-time All American, and member of College Football HOF.
Brown had it all: sustained greatness, records, high rankings on NFL all time lists in several categories, recognition as a Pro Bowler many times; all this while playing on several crummy Raider teams early on in his career, and without great QB’s to throw to him until right at the end of his career with Gannon. No, he won’t get in this year, but Tim Brown is unquestionably worthy of the NFL Hall of Fame.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:41 am
Did you guys saw that Felix Jones TD run yesterday?, I m pretty sure McFadden cant do that, I guess we choose the wrong guy out of Arkansas.
DKnight007, I hope we pick an OT in round 1 too (I would prefer to trade down, but that doesnt seem not be an option in Oakland)
January 10th, 2010 at 2:45 am
We should move the defense to 3-4, with Seymour and Kelly as DE, Scott,Ellis and Shaughnessy as pass rushing OLB, Morrison as weak ILB and sign/draft a NT and strong ILB
Broncos had a good cheap NT in FA last season (Ronald Fields) and a run stopping ILB can be drafted in round 2 (Spikes) or 3/4 (Micah Johnson)
January 10th, 2010 at 3:45 am
Ricochet:
It’s because your whiney pathetic ass was literally crying when Russell got benched the first time..you threw a major hissy fit when he got benched for good, and now you’re reduced to the lowest of the low..”wait until next year”..WORDS ONLY SPOKEN BY LOSERS.
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First of all, prove it, second of all, yaaaaaaaAAAAAAAWWWWWwwwwn!
Your pathetic attempts at human contact are futile oh ye of little d*ck.
Your Moms still yelling at you to clean your room and take out the garbage even though your 47 years old and wife divorced you, took the kids and is sleeping with the guy everyone ot the office where he works calls “King Dong” after that one barbeque where everyone had just a little too much to drink and decided to nude hot tub.
Your kids hate you, your dog killed itself to get away from you and we wish you’d be as brave.
I’m loving life and living large and theres not a thing you can say about it me lady…
Suffer the day staring thru a glass darkly and may you live a very very long time…
January 10th, 2010 at 3:49 am
El Tato Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:45 am
We should move the defense to 3-4, with Seymour and Kelly as DE, Scott,Ellis and Shaughnessy as pass rushing OLB, Morrison as weak ILB and sign/draft a NT and strong ILB
Broncos had a good cheap NT in FA last season (Ronald Fields) and a run stopping ILB can be drafted in round 2 (Spikes) or 3/4 (Micah Johnson
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3-4 NT’s are the hardest thing to find they say.
Need f’in linebackers too and ours suck case you hadn’t noticed by the constant loss of contain and poor gap control.
Nice idea, but another f’in rebuild project should be last on the list.
John Marshall’s finally got the D blitzing and doing some things that have them looking like they can play a little.
AFUL lot of youth on that squad too. hate to shift the entire scheme on them now, but man, FIX THE RUN!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:01 am
Vegas….
I thought you said the rookie QB always loses.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:05 am
test
January 10th, 2010 at 4:23 am
analyze however you will, but so often a football game comes down to one single play and not necessarily the final one.
if the eagle DB keeps his arms under the ball on his interception try the shift in the game is monumental. going forward from that play the calls by the OCs and DCs of both teams would’ve altered radically as the Cowgirls would’ve been playing from behind.
in the BS game. Down goes Colt. Game over.
and then there are other games where one team is completely overmatched no matter what (see: CincyKitties roll over and play dead).
January 10th, 2010 at 5:47 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 6:07 am
Neilb….Mark Sanchez is only the 4th rookie QB to win his post-season debut….the others are
Sanchez*-jets,’09
Joe Flacco*-ravens,’08
B.Rothlisberger-pitt,’04
Shaun King-bucs,’99
courtesy of St.Pete Times
January 10th, 2010 at 6:08 am
* = road game
January 10th, 2010 at 8:04 am
haha
Espn is showing McNabb entering the stadium. He plays air guitar, rather lamely. Then he runs up and slaps the wall.
He looks a big goober pea to me
January 10th, 2010 at 8:05 am
You Florida boys know what goober peas are, dont you?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:21 am
neilb Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:01 am
Vegas….
I thought you said the rookie QB always loses.
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Man I suck at the NFL…
January 10th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Espn just said Al almost fired Cable twice this past year.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Vegas
Look on the bright side. You are much better then me.
Put me down for a fin on a Crows/Packers parley
January 10th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Zymurge Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 12:08 am
> You’re crazy. Spoke it like a true Raider fan who buys into the nonsense that shut down corners are the key to a defense.
In today’s league, a run stopper in the front 4 is FAR more valuable than a good quarterback. This is taking into account Nnamdi being arguably the best in the game. Doesn’t matter. A mediocre run stopping mammoth in the front 7, especially the front 4, is worth more than the best cornerback in the game.
We’ve got the best CB tandem in the game right now. What’s it done for our defense? You put Wilfork up front with Seymour, on the other hand? Lights’ out. Nnamdi will be missed in some aspects but our defense will only improve.
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Maybe I too am a “true Raider fan” because I beg to differ with this assessment (even including the modifications from mediocre to decent). A top tier CB is easily of equal if not superior value to a top tier DT. But you don’t have to believe my opinion. Let’s look at the collective wisdom of the entire pool of NFL executives.
If you can agree that we can use a metric such as annual cap value to equate to the relative value to a team that teams place on a player, then we can look at actual contracts/cap values and see what the NFL thinks: http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/default.aspx gives us the data that we need. Plug in the top 25 salaries (displayed ranked by cap value, not actual compensation for a given year) for both 2009 DT and 2009 CB and you’ll see that it’s not even close.
The top paid DT would be #3 on the CB ladder, while the top 7 or so CBs top the #2 DT. Meanwhile, the #10-#20 range of DTs (a fair place to put the “decent” caliber players) are on average about 10% lower paid than their peers on the CB ladder.
Cap value is a great measure of supply and demand in NFL talent. Where supply is low, such as elite level shut down CBs, the demand is high enough for teams to allocate a larger share of their limited cap space to secure such a commodity. Given the dropoff in cap hits to DTs beyond the top few, it looks like the consensus valuation of mid level DTs is that they aren’t that hard to find
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And that is why I’d would demand either a draft pick or Vollmer(sic) for Asomougha
January 10th, 2010 at 8:38 am
good morning nation!!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Good morning all!!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:41 am
neilb!!!!!
good morning!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Been looking at a few mock drafts today.A couple had use picking Brian Price.What ya think ?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Good morning R8eray !!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:44 am
You aint fooling anyone Vegas….you knew in the history of da nfl ONLY 3 rookie QB’s won there post-season debut,and wagered accordingly =)
January 10th, 2010 at 8:44 am
……and what are goober peas ?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Rolando!!
or
Spikes!!
and thats all i got to say about that!
not in a rude way!!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Sorry ,I’m not passing judgement on Vegas.If I was going to bet on that game, I would have gone for the same result.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Vegas?
Where you at?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:47 am
I am really hoping McCoy falls to us. If the Redskins pick a QB, it could happen.
As far as an OT, I just think it makes more sense to wait one more year on Mario, and if he is not good enough to re-sign, you let him walk and than draft an OT in the first in 2011 and put him at LT.
The whole idea of drafting a LT, letting them compete and have the loser be pissed off having to go play RT, and position never played before, just seems like a recipe for disaster. Does anyone think that Tom Cable and the Raiders wouldn’t screw that up?
And with two 3rd’s and two 5th’s I anticipate Al to use those to trade up.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:49 am
I did win money on the Fresno State hoop game last night.
Another rule I have, is always bet against Hawaii when they are on the main land. At least that worked yesterday.
Sanchez outplaying Carson Palmer…..YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:51 am
If you would have told me that Cedric Benson would rush for over 170 yards yesterday I would have bet even more.
Good thing nobody told me that.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:51 am
I don’t watch any college games so I try to read everything I can on the net.
Rolando McClain looks like a Davis pick.Big and fast,fast,fast.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Vegas!!
I hit the Cowboys for two bills, yesterday!!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Whats the pick for today?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Sanchez only threw 14,15 passes ? Protect the ball and use your running game.Where have I heard that from….?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Boiled peanuts
January 10th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Good work R8eray!!!!
Cowboys are only getting two points next week in Minny I saw this morning.
I can’t pick NFL winners to save my life. I think I am going to focus on college hoops, been doing much better there lately.
Got the Jawhawks today, big. I have been trying to use this “unit” system, and have 3 “units” on Kansas -6.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:55 am
We should have drafted Sanchez!!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Palmer couldnt buy a completion yesterday
January 10th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Goober peas are boiled peanuts ?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:56 am
What a circus in Washington. Another bigot Democrat sticking his foot in his mouth lol
Jan. 10 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama accepted Senator Harry Reid’s apology for calling him “light skinned” and “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one” in private conversations during the 2008 campaign.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Did UNLV win yesterday?
January 10th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Yup…big win in the Pit.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:58 am
both teams had a good running game yesterday….Sanchez hit his passes,Palmer missed open WR’s all day
January 10th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Sanchez likes our hotdogs too much.Within a few weeks he’d be the size of JaMarcus.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:59 am
So…are we ranked again?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Anybody seen Paranormal Activity ?
Is it real?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Dodger dogs!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:01 am
MB, what about the Democratic Klansman Robert Byrd?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:02 am
lmao Mista
January 10th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Mista…its for real!
Don’t go to sleep!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:02 am
That RB Greene looked really good for the Jets.
Chalk-up another backup RB who would be our best back if he was on the roster.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Never mind sleep !! DON’T LOOK BEHIND YOU !!!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:04 am
I slept fine lastnight after I watched it.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Maybe 0bama needs to have another BEER summit for the bigots & hypocrires
January 10th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Cap,
Maybe 0bama needs to have another BEER summit for the bigots & hypocrites in his own party?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Yep watched Greene when he was at Iowa….Compact and fast.I drafted him on my FF team but he was injured so I let him go.looks like he is hitting his stride now and could carry the jets,imo
January 10th, 2010 at 9:09 am
10-4 Neil Yummy stuff
January 10th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Im a union worker.
My union told me to vote for Obama, what a big mistake!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Shelled/un-shelled ? Salted afterwards ?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Well at least Obama has your back, R8eray.
I went from financial services to a Medicare Advantage company.
The guy hates me, LOL
January 10th, 2010 at 9:12 am
LOL
Are you a sheep R8er? Unions are in bed with the Dem party.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Dont we like Jets leftovers!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Looking forward to Ravs/Pats game.Hope Lewis takes Brady and shoves him up Moss’ behind.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Im a Democrat….I guess?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Your ignorant….I guess?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Boil shelled peanuts. Add lots of salt.
Then let them cool and drain. They are soft and you can suck on the whole peanut to taste the salt and peanut flavor or just open it and eat the goober peas inside
January 10th, 2010 at 9:19 am
You should all be grateful you don’t have Gordon Brown running your country.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Just a little bit!
I guess? lol!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:20 am
If the Pats lose today I think NE implodes.
Dynasty way over & gone!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Sittin’ by the roadside on a summer’s day,
Chattin’ with my messmates, passing time away,
Lying in the shadow, underneath the trees,
Goodness, how delicious, eating goober peas!
(Chorus)
Peas! Peas! Peas! Peas!
Eating goober peas!
Goodness, how delicious,
Eating goober peas!
When a horseman passes, the soldiers have a rule
To cry out at their loudest “Mister, here’s your mule!”
But still another pleasure enchantinger than these
Is wearing out your grinders, eating goober peas!
(Chorus)
Just before the battle, the Gen’ral hears a row,
He says “The Yanks are coming, I hear their rifles now”!
He turns around in wonder, and what do you think he sees?
The Georgia Militia — eating goober peas!
(Chorus)
I think my song had lasted almost long enough,
The subject’s interesting, but rhymes are mighty rough!
I wish this war was over, when free from rags and fleas,
We’d kiss our wives and sweethearts and gobble goober peas
January 10th, 2010 at 9:21 am
I think so R8er, well I mean I think I guess so?
durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
January 10th, 2010 at 9:21 am
yep boiled peanuts are GREAT! I get the cajun flavored
January 10th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Don’t have that over here Plunkett.It does sound good though.Love peanuts….great beer food.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:22 am
I couldn’t bet this early game.
The Patriots haven’t lost a home playoff game in like 10 years, so I know if I bet it would be that way.
But no Welker or running game, and laying 4 points? I couldn’t do it.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:22 am
http://whatscookingamerica.net/History/BoiledPeanutsHistory.htm
January 10th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Vegas NE is primed for a ass whoopin its not too late!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:24 am
If the Pats lose today..look (Raiders) for a trade (big) before drat time!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:24 am
boiled peanuts in a coke coller…yeah hawwww
January 10th, 2010 at 9:25 am
MB, you are right, however, I believe the NE Dynasty is over!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Plunkett, you love you some peanuts!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:28 am
If Cable were to keep his job, would there be this silence? Al must be interviewing candidates…
January 10th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Who says you don’t learn anything on the net.If I ever come to America I’m going make sure I try some boiled peanuts.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Ray, I guess he does like dem nutz
January 10th, 2010 at 9:29 am
I do love them and have not had any for a few years.
But what made me think of them is McNabb looks just like a big goober pea with that big head and big green helmet.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Plunk, you originally from the South?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:32 am
You can buy frozen bags of peanuts in stores here in fl. year round…..and they’re GREAT….cajun style
January 10th, 2010 at 9:32 am
MB, this is NE swann song. They will lose today.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Karma is catching up to the Pats.
Welker blows out his knee in the last game, and pretty meaningless one at that.
Brady hurt last year. Go 10-6 last year and don’t make playoffs.
Karma is a MF
January 10th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Testicle humor is for 12 year olds and homos.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Peanuts are good without boiling I dont see what boiling can add to them.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:33 am
Testicle humor is for 12 year olds and homos.
?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Not to diminish Greene’s ability, but who wouldn’t look good running behind the Jets line? Just look at Thomas Jones career. A top flight RB pick that looked like a bust behind poor blocking in AZ, mediocre in a little more complex TB offense, and then got increasingly better each year behind good blocking in Chicago and now with the Jets.
A lot of NFL level RBs can look awful good when first contact comes a yard or more past the line of scrimmage and they have a full head of steam. Just look at DMac’s college highlights verses the traffic that he has to get through at the line of scrimmage with the Raiders.
On another note, let’s not forget that the Jets already have Leon Washington as their change of pace back. He was tearing it up this season before getting hurt. They’ll have some interesting choices to make next season. I think that Jones’ has at least a $3M cap hit next season, but I wonder if they let him walk and go with the younger tandem of Greene-Washington?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:35 am
MB, don’t ask Plunk…
January 10th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Never mind Cap.
I thought you were saying something else
January 10th, 2010 at 9:35 am
you have to be on your toes around here.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:36 am
How about R8er admitting the union told him to vote for 0bama and he went ahead and did it now he’s pissed…lmao!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:36 am
At 1st I didnt like boiled-peanuts,never heard of them till I moved here.Mushy and cold was the 1st 1 I had….but then I got them steaming hot and YO! they are totally addicting =).Even like them cold now,sometimes
January 10th, 2010 at 9:37 am
MB
You would not say that if you had ever sucked on a warm, juicey goober pea.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Plunk, are we talking peas or peanuts ?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:38 am
MB, you aren’t surprised. I had a woman tell me her union told her to contact elected officials to vote for Obumblecare.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Off to get something to eat…
Enjoy your Sunday and the games everyone.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:40 am
peanuts in the shell
January 10th, 2010 at 9:41 am
MB, at least Ray recognized the mistake of giving up his independence by voting the way a union tells him to vote.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:42 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX8cIdXlHuU
Add some humor to the subject!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Unions confiscate billions from their pool of suckers and instead of investing in the union and the workers they hand over billions to the Dem party, its almost sad but you have to be an idiot to be a Dem.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Cap I am from Kentucky but dad was born and raised in Plant City Fl. Thats where I learned Goober peas.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:43 am
lol @ 462
January 10th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Cap have you seen any HC debate televised on C-Span ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMf6kW_1Nw
January 10th, 2010 at 9:46 am
Kentucky is a beautiful state. Would you go back?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Plant City won the 4A state championship football recently!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:48 am
You can lie to a public that is uninformed. Those discussions are never held publically, but he lied because he knew the people did not know.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Plunk….I go to the Strawberry Festival yearly
January 10th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Gaytriots R going down!~!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:50 am
they could always cheat and win 408 =)
January 10th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Plunk, my grandfather sang the goober peas song. I believe he learned the tune in the navy during WWII
January 10th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Being uninformed is a prerequisite for the Dem party.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:52 am
I would like to go back but most family has died out or moved.
I am more then content here in the high desert. I can shoot squirels off my front porch.
I remember visiting Grandpa in Ohio when I was 8 and he and I would plink anything and everything on the porch.
I thought that was the coolest thing on earth.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Pretty much, MB
January 10th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Plunk that sounds very cool
January 10th, 2010 at 9:55 am
4eva
The Strawberry festival is great.
I went there in the late 70’s, early 80’s and all the girls were wearing hot pants. That was the big craze at the time.
Everytime I eat a strawberry I think of fine Florida women wearing hot pants.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:55 am
high desert??
where?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Thanks Cap
It was and is
January 10th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Yeah, makes you hungry for both strawberries and cherries.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Plunk….Yep!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Haulapi Mts in NW AZ near Kingman
January 10th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Near Laughlin!!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:01 am
lol yes especially as the crow flies.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Lil’ hot out there, Plunk. Too hot for me
January 10th, 2010 at 10:03 am
New England’s officiating crew today has the 2nd fewest penalties in the NFL this year.
What is the NFL’s mancrush on the Pats? I think Goodell and Belicheat are lovers.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:03 am
I am about an hour from Laughlin/Colorado River/Lake Mohave/Lake Havasu/ and or Lake Mead
January 10th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Ray Rice is a real running back
January 10th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Great game!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Plunk,
Lake Havasu is a lot of fun on the 4th! Maybe not as much fun as Shooting Squirels. That’s sick!!
I like your style. Living Alone in the desert.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Vaya Cuervos!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:20 am
The Pats suck!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:22 am
I wasnt always alone.
I still remember the day I lost my dear wife.
We went to the city one day, went to the bank ,and were in line when the robbers burst in. They ordered everyone on the floor and told us not to look up at them. The guy next to me on the floor whispered to me and said he was a cop and wanted to be able to ID them so he looked up and the bank robber screamed at him and ran over and shot him in the head.
Then he screamed at me and said did you look at me too?
I said no but the lady next to me said she got a real good look at you.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:23 am
lmao
January 10th, 2010 at 10:23 am
I hate the Cheaters, but not as much as the Dischargers.
Please God, don’t let them win it!!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Then what happened?
January 10th, 2010 at 10:25 am
LMAO
January 10th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Ray
The bastards shot here
January 10th, 2010 at 10:31 am
her
January 10th, 2010 at 10:32 am
My condolence!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:35 am
O back in the 70’s Havasu was wild and crazy. It is tame now. Drinking age was 18 and every three day or four day weekend California invaded and it was ten times wilder and crazier then it is today.
This was before Copper Canyon became a big hit and the feds clamped down
January 10th, 2010 at 10:36 am
lol Ray you need to reread that whole thing. It is a joke. Pay careful attention to the last sentence.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:36 am
21…I said the Dynasty was over.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:36 am
hey wassup,
watching Ray Rice run on that TD makes me think how far McFadden is away from a being a good back. Ray Rice went up the middle, cut to the left, cut back to the right and took off to the left again. That’s what a good RB does. he finds the hole. McFadden has yet to show me he can cut back.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Hey, Ray has a good heart
January 10th, 2010 at 10:38 am
TUCK YEAH!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Yes he does.
Condolences are always appreciated
January 10th, 2010 at 10:43 am
The dynasty that began with the bostonchowder mob buying off Walt “snowjob” Coleman ends with a good old fashioned dominating beatdown.
Sounds good to me.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Plunk,
I wish I lived in the 70s. A lot of sex, Drugs, great music, muscle cars, and People had jobs!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Chris Carr is playing really well.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Raider O, the 70s were not very good. Infation was and unemployment were high. Now the 80s were fun
January 10th, 2010 at 10:50 am
If Al is watching this game. Cable will keep his job. We played Baltimore better and the cowboys better than any of these so called play off teams. Maybe we are closer than we think. Just maybe. Go nation.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Raider O, the 70s were not very good. Inflation and unemployment was high. Now the 80s were fun.
That is better
January 10th, 2010 at 10:56 am
80s!!!
No thank you! I’ll take the 90s over the 80s.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Yes, the 70’s were great. Especially in Vegas. Better drugs! I lived by Paradise Park (known around the country as where to buy dope in Vegas).
I could get three reds for a dollar. Then I would get a quart of Bud for 87 cents.
Crosstops instead of meth.
Four finger bags for a dime
Cops would usually let you go and make you dump at your beer, dump your baggie and get home, even if you had been drinking.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:06 am
The 80′ were the only time I had trouble finding work. I was working on the Fashion Show mall as a union mason tender and the brickies went on strike.
I had a pocketfull of money and lit out for Northern B.C. to work as wrangler for the summer.
When I got back, noone was hiring but a friend of a friend said he would teach me to lay block for his barkyard wall company for 8 bucks (I was making 14) an hour. I laughed at him.
One month later I called him back, went to work for a huge pay cut, and learned a lot more then just laying block.
Best move I ever made.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:14 am
# Raider O Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 10:56 am
80s!!!
No thank you! I’ll take the 90s over the 80s.
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hell yeah, I 2nd that!
January 10th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Me too Milicia!
January 10th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Unions confiscate billions from their pool of suckers and instead of investing in the union and the workers they hand over billions to the Dem party, its almost sad but you have to be an idiot to be a Dem.
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as opposed to you… a completely ignorant fool for the republican party???
borrow and spend republicans…
a 5 trillion legacy…
by now i would have thought republicans would just shut up…
but no…
republicans are we win, you lose… when they win…
but they are we lose and you still lose… when they lose…
biggest bunch of freaking hypocrits ever…
January 10th, 2010 at 11:21 am
FP, you partying already? Oh, forgot, 3 hours ahead
January 10th, 2010 at 11:24 am
FloridaPete…
well said, I cant figure how, republicans dare to say anything, when they solehanded have run down one of the greatest countries… african countries are more healthy than USA, and even still they yell about how great they are…
if i had made such a fart, i would be way more discrete =)
January 10th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Negra, it obviously makes sense to you. You seem so well informed.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Negra, you obviously are a Democrat.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:31 am
No politics for me today.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:42 am
“Politics is like football. You have to be smart enough to understand it and dumb enough to think it is important.”
Eugene McCarthy – 1968
January 10th, 2010 at 11:44 am
We interrupt this political debate, for the weather:
Currently the temperature is, 74.2* here in SO-CAL…
LOL…..
January 10th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Oh, and keep up the beatdown on the Patsies, B-more. don’t let ‘em off the mat…
Hearing the hometown fans boo in N.E. is music to my ears….
January 10th, 2010 at 11:49 am
The Republicans have reduced themselves to running a cult. Brainwashing their followers to vote against their best interest (healthcare) and saying “What he [Obama] should be doing is following the right things that Bush did — one of the right things he did was treat this as a war on terror. We had no domestic attacks under Bush. We’ve had one under Obama,”
This lie was started by Bush’s express secretary back in Nov. Perino: We did not have a terrorist attack on our country during President Bush’s term. I hope they’re not looking at this politically. I do think that we owe it to the American people to call it what it is.
Only a brainwashed fool would listen to these guys much less believe them at face value!!
January 10th, 2010 at 11:52 am
oh pleez balt. keep spanking those cheaters.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Yeah RAIDER FANS unite in your hatred of the patsies
January 10th, 2010 at 11:57 am
I’m in Vegas and I could here them boos from New England!!
January 10th, 2010 at 11:57 am
ive done baptised my self in whisky to that hatred.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Unless they’re still in the beer line or trying to use the head, it sure looks like half the crowd has already bailed in N.E.
Brady picked AGAIN!!!!! serves the cheatin basturds right……
January 10th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
We Raider fans maybe suffering from all of Al Davis bad karma. I am sure the patsies are suffering from Brady’s crap eating grin after the snow job game and then begging for calls against the Ravens. Ya
January 10th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Being uninformed is a prerequisite for the Dem party.
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I know it’s foolish of me to extend political debates here, but this just made me laugh. Ever see the break down of higher education by red state/blue state? Ever see the same break down by average IQ? If not check it out. Or maybe your definition of being informed differs from mine, which happens to be shared by the majority of higher IQ, better educated US citizens.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
OK, so some people were saying that we should trade Nnamdi for a middle of the road DT like Wilfork. Did everyone see him get completly punked on the first play from scrimmage as Rice ran right up the middle? Yeah, he’s fit perfect into the Raiders scheme with that sort of non-hole closing skills . . .
January 10th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
You don’t trade a shut down corner for anyone. See the Clinton Portis for Champ Bailey trade. It’s just not smart to get rid of a great player. He shuts down half the field. You trade a draft pick for a proven player. Seymour for the 2011 first rounder. Now we have to sign Seymour for more reasons than the trade. Because if players see Seymour is happy in Oakland other free agent players would be more inclined to come.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
In liberals’ ideal world, everyone lives in abject poverty and stands in long lines, but we all live in the same abject poverty and stand in the same long lines — just like in their beloved Soviet Union of recent memory! (Except the commissars, who get excellent health care, food, housing, maid service and no lines.)
Instead of being honest and telling us that their plan is to make health care worse and more expensive — but fairer! — liberals have recently begun claiming that providing universal health care will actually save money. Overnight, they went from wailing about basic human needs being “more important than bombs” to claiming: “Our plan will be cheaper!”
January 10th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Zymurge, one of your brethren wrote this: “I would like some key points as to why you would choose a Democrat over a Republican or vice versa. My aunt is a Republican and I am a democrat and I said to her “Why would you want to be a Republican?” And she said “Whoa whoa whoa why would you want to be a democrat?” And I had nothing…I need an argument!
Just say because you are ignorant!
January 10th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
CaptainBlack, you must be an ideal liberal. Else, you aren’t qualified to state the point of view of one.
For the record neither am I. I’m just a middle roader that finds it comical how both sides like to pretend to know more than each other by spending 110% of their effort saying how the other is wrong, as opposed to justifying why their view is not wrong.
I mean, why go through the effort of fact finding and data driven arguments when it’s so much easier to cast aspersions based on stereotyped, extremists points of view?
January 13th, 2010 at 7:13 am
why can’t ken stabler get into the HOF
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