Jets’ coaches won’t be part of a post-Cable era
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, January 10th, 2010 at 12:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The world revolves around the Raiders, even in the playoffs:
– The kind of power running, play-aciton, limited option passing attack utilized by Mark Sanchez in a 24-14 win over the Bengals would be ideal for JaMarcus Russell.
If Tom Cable gets the bad news this week, the Raiders ought to look seriously who is responsible for that.
Wait . . . it’s offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer and assistant head coach/line coach Bill Callahan, with at least a minor assist from assistant quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo.
Unless Schottenheimer is one of those rebellious sons who loves to stick it to the old man, never mind.
– Two problems if you’re hoping Al Davis makes a run at Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett. Garrett is making some $3 million-plus per year as an assistant coach and considers Norv Turner a close friend and mentor.
He’d undoubtedly ask Turner his honest opinion about working for the Raiders.
– Playoff football is an entirely different animal, but it sure looked from my couch that the Charlie Frye of a week ago looked a lot better than Tom Brady in the first half against the same Ravens defense. Let’s see if Brady put out an all points bulletin for Randy Moss at halftime and if he can spread out the Ravens and attack them with some success.
– With Seattle coming to Oakland next season with Pete Carroll as head coach, here’s hoping Davis brings in Jim Harbaugh just for the pleasure of watching the post-game handshake.
– For as long as the franchise has been back in Oakland, there have been a few letter-writers and e-mailers who flood local and national markets with a remarkably accurate view of the Raiders through a staunch pro-Al Davis point of view.
This week one took aim at Mike Shanahan, Bruce Allen and Rich Gannon . . . and indicated that “whoever coaches the offensive line should be fired.’’
He wasn’t talking about Jim Michalczik.
– Donovan McNabb, anyone?
You’ve got to think Philadelphia believes it’s gone about as far as it is going to go in the McNabb era and will elevate Kevin Kolb next year.
That would mean McNabb would be looking for a starting job somewhere.
If it doesn’t happen, Kolb isn’t nearly as good as people seem to think he is.
– Big hit the Raiders took on the Hall of Fame ballot cutdown. Only Tim Brown survived, with Ray Guy, Cliff Branch, Lester Hayes, Jim Plunkett, Todd Christensen and coach Tom Flores failing to make the cut.
Davis pushes hardest for Plunkett and Flores. I’m partial to Branch, a dominant deep threat in both the regular and post-seasons who is at least a match and probably superior to Hall of Famers Lynn Swann and John Stallworth.
As for Guy, the bottom line is that for the majority of selectors, any time they come down to a player they consider worth and pair him with a punter in an either/or situation, the punter’s going to lose every time.
I mean, the Hall of Fame has a place where sports writers and broadcasters get their name displayed, but not a punter?
– Here’s the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel’s profile of Charles Woodson, grown up and flourishing as a star and a leader in a way he never did in Oakland.
Easily one of the most interesting and charismatic guys to ever set foot in the locker room, he could also be one of the most infuriating, given his Monday-through-Saturday preparation as a Raider.
Whether he shuts down Larry Fitzgerald today or gets lit up by him, expect Woodson to do as he’s always done and tell the truth when it’s over.
– Gannon’s taking some deserved heat for using his radio show to volunteer his services, knowing full well going public removed any chance of it happening. Gannon should know this _ he’s reached out before to no avail.
But do the Raiders have to take the bait every time? They could have looked above the fray for once with a polite, “thanks, but no thanks.’’
– Thanks to those e-mailers who pointed out my monumentally stupid error in my weekly NFL notes column for print, calling Chris Johnson “Chris Henry.’’
It’s been since repaired on Internet versions, but remains there for all to on paper. Any abuse for that mistake is richly deserved.
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January 10th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
The Ravens are tearing that Patriot ass up
January 10th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
…good
January 10th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Come on in, take off your skin, and rattle around in your bones.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada described in private then-Sen. Barack Obama as a “light skinned” and “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” Who knew?
January 10th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
where’s Moss?????????
January 10th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Jerry, nice article. The overtone seems as though a coaching change is probable. McNabb only comes if he’s assured as the starter. Not gonna happen so long as Russell is on the roster, something surely to happen for at least one more year.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Effin refs sure are trying to help out the Patsies…
January 10th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
3×3 from In n Out time. Go B-more!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
NE’s getting it up the azz from the refs! Ha ha. Karma.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
nothing I’m afraid will equal the tuck fuk
January 10th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Brady’s looking determined on that sideline, though. His v agina’s feeling better. We’ll see what happens.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Go for 2 now. F’k New England.
January 10th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
CHALLENGE AGAIN! HE CROSSED THE PLANE!
January 10th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
A billion dollar industry and they dont have a camera from another angle?
January 10th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
bs
January 10th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
McNabb would be great if we wanted to continue the legacy of inaccurate passing. Granted, he’s gotten better in the last few years, but he’s also lost a lot of his mobility. Without a very good OL in front of him, he’ll regress back to his days of rushed throws, hung up WRs over the middle, and bad misses on deep balls.
I’d say that he’s a year or two away from being in Daunte Culpepper’s current career stage. Great if you want a veteran backup or place holder to groom someone young, but not someone that you want to build your offense around; especially at whatever his significant cap hit will be. I’d seriously prefer a competition amongst several cheap vets, like Grads, Frye and maybe Grossman off the FA market. Then either look for a 2nd or 3rd round project to hold a clipboard while being groomed or wait for the chance to get a very good backup from a team with depth, like Houston did with Schaub or KC attempted with Cassell — just make sure that he’s actually good and not a system product like the latter mentioned player
January 10th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Zymurge, one of your brethren wrote this: “I would like some key points as to why you would choose a Democrat over a Republican or vice versa. My aunt is a Republican and I am a democrat and I said to her “Why would you want to be a Republican?” And she said “Whoa whoa whoa why would you want to be a democrat?” And I had nothing…I need an argument!
Just say because you are ignorant!
January 10th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
It has now officially been 5 years since the Patriots have won a Super Bowl. Can the media stop pretending they’re still the NFL’s gold standard?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
They should throw a bomb and try to score one more. Tell the press after the game that the play was called “the Belichick”.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
– Thanks to those e-mailers who pointed out my monumentally stupid error in my weekly NFL notes column for print, calling Chris Johnson “Chris Henry.’’
Jerry, you typo in nearly every single blog. It’s gonna happen in print, too.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Jerry, funny how when guys like Charles Woodson leave Oakland, they’re fine. Ever occur to you that the reason they don’t show up and give it 100% here is because it’s a waste of time? You’re holding guys like him, Sapp, and Moss accountable for not being the ONLY ONES to take things seriously here. At some point the overall environment at Raiders’ headquarters has to meet these big name players half way, doesn’t it?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
I’m happy for Seymour. Kiss ass Moss, Burgess and the rest of the ungrateful ex Raiders scrubs who looks for so called greener pastures in NE.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
It is good to see a media member smart enough to see Gannon and what he did for what it was. Gannon was well aware that going over the Radio would send the Raiders through the roof. And than to not just mention helping Russell but Cable and the Raiders as well.
What Gannon did was the moves of a punk, much as he was made to be by the Buc;s in the Super Bowl. 5 picks with 3 being returned for TD’s and he wants to help teach a QB how to handle pressure.
One question why not call out your media coworkers when they build up what Gannon did making him a Saint. And write something about the Raiders getting rid of that dude that always makes the Raiders look so small with his responces to news, he is bad for the image of the Raiders, whats left of it.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
The Raiders image, the one I knew in the 70s, does not exist.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Rayda, was the pasture not greener in NE for Moss and Burgess? They did make the playoffs.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
21) the environment at the Raiders Headquarters has been the same since the beginning. The only difference is the older legends were not selfish. It’s a new generation of players, the “me” generation, not the “we” generation that makes the same old irregular disfunctional environment an issue.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Here’s the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel’s profile of Charles Woodson, grown up and flourishing as a star and a leader in a way he never did in Oakland.
Easily one of the most interesting and charismatic guys to ever set foot in the locker room, he could also be one of the most infuriating, given his Monday-through-Saturday preparation as a Raider.
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Jerry
That’s a damned lie. Woodson was our best defensive player his whole time here. And not just coverage. There’s no tuck rule without Charles Woodson.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
That force! That D end extraordinaire! Derrick Burgess! What an impact player!
Did he even play? I had a hard time noticing if in fact he did.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Madden, are you measuring success on playoff appearances? I realize it’s better than we can say, but not the ultimate goal.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Snnyjcbs, why do you think Gannon made the public offer to help the Raiders?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Rayda, you said “greener pastures”. What’s greener? 5-11, or 10-6 with a division title? Seems to me Burgess made the right move.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Bye bye Patriots, we had more chances to win against Ravens last game than Brady & company had today
F###k the Patriots, Moss, Burgess, Belichick,…
January 10th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Moss and Burgess both had a “great” game
hahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
21) the environment at the Raiders Headquarters has been the same since the beginning. The only difference is the older legends were not selfish. It’s a new generation of players, the “me” generation, not the “we” generation that makes the same old irregular disfunctional environment an issue.
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Player Free Agency started in 1989. You have to adjust with the times. no?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
El Tato, the Ravens didn’t prepare as hard for us. It was an automatic win on their schedule, as far as they were concerned. The Patriots, on the other hand, were huge. And Baltimore prepared. NE didn’t show up so you got the result you did today.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
I agree, though. Fk Belichick. I always root against him. But I’ve got nothing against Moss or Burgess. Can’t blame either of them for wanting out of this mess in Oakland.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
21) the environment at the Raiders Headquarters has been the same since the beginning. The only difference is the older legends were not selfish. It’s a new generation of players, the “me” generation, not the “we” generation that makes the same old irregular disfunctional environment an issue.
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When airplanes were invented, the railroad took a hit, no?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
They left for greener pastures, and got it. They went from one of the worst teams in football to a playoff team. I’d take that deal, too.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
El Tato, the Ravens didn’t prepare as hard for us. It was an automatic win on their schedule, as far as they were concerned. The Patriots, on the other hand, were huge. And Baltimore prepared. NE didn’t show up so you got the result you did today.
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I know man, but still they had to beat us to be in the playoffs. If they had lost in Oakland they would be at home now instead of playing in Boston
January 10th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
If the queen had balls, tato.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
KK, Madden
I’m just bustin’ your chops. The organization has not adjusted over the years, obviously. The facts are the facts however.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Which I believe says we were coached up for the baltimore game more than the patriots were for the playoffs. Give Cable some credit their.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
MR,
you should ask Ray Lewis how he prepared for the Oakland game, the game which meant a playoff berth or going home. I doubt he took it for granted as you assume.
and when you excuse the ‘cheats for “not showing up today” is that the same excuse you use after someone uses, abuses and humiliates you as the ‘cheats were today?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Rayda, what facts are you talking about?
I was the one who presented the fact: New England is a “greener pasture” than Oakland. Is it not? Burgess and Moss left for greener pastures, and got it. The facts are the facts. What facts have you presented? I’ve only seen you insist that Burgess and Moss somehow wound up in a place no better than Oakland. That’s not a fact. That’s a falsehood, and a pretty crazy one, at that. New England isn’t a Super Bowl team obviously, but they are a world better than Oakland. Burgess and Moss indeed found greener pastures. Fact. Are you denying that?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Nobody has ever “used”, “abused”, or “humiliated” me, Lonetree. So I don’t understand what you’re talking about.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
moss can go hell
January 10th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Not a Super Bowl winner after going 18 and 0. I bet they all felt green after that.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
moss didnt play hard for us, at least burgess tried hard
January 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
players get paid to play hard, thats the minimum you can ask them to do
January 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Moss will never get that ring he left for-haha
I was dispointed when Davis said “we couldn’t satisfy him”-screw him he got paid didn’t he?
didn’t SAP get paid and Gannon? They got paid well and they have no class! As a business owner I will sick my attorney on any ex employee slandering, misrepresenting or interfering with my business. My attorneys state there are several Torts protecting me in this regard.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
I don’t think so, Ghost. We’re one of the worst teams in football. The Ravens just took a while to get going ,but they got the job done. It was an automatic win on their schedule. It was the Raiders. This week they had to prepare for an actual NFL football team, and a pretty good one, at that. So that’s why they looked better.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
El Tato, players do not get paid to play hard, unless their contract has performance incentives. A contract is a done deal. They get paid for showing up, period. It’s up to them what they do from that point on. An owner can cut them whenever he wants to. Why didn’t Al just cut Sapp or Moss?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Yes but it won’t last forever. We will get better and it looks like the patriots may just get worse. I was on message boards back in 96 and it was just about this bad then. Guess what we had some decent years after that. Culminated in a super bowl loss to our former coach. We will be great again. And I believe we are getting closer.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Madden
Was refering to the other post about the organizational environment and gen differences. In regards to whether NE or Oaktown is greener would be up to the individual player. Several players choose to come to or stay with the Raiders (for a variety of reasons). Why would Gruden want to come back to coach there as Gannon said? Something must be attractive (as bazarr as it may seem).
January 10th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
El Tato, players do not get paid to play hard, unless their contract has performance incentives. A contract is a done deal. They get paid for showing up, period. It’s up to them what they do from that point on. An owner can cut them whenever he wants to. Why didn’t Al just cut Sapp or Moss?
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If players get paid millions for “showing up” you should be really happy with the performance Moss had in Oakland because thats exactly what he did
January 10th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
mikeschoice Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Moss will never get that ring he left for-haha
I was dispointed when Davis said “we couldn’t satisfy him”-screw him he got paid didn’t he?
didn’t SAP get paid and Gannon? They got paid well and they have no class! As a business owner I will sick my attorney on any ex employee slandering, misrepresenting or interfering with my business. My attorneys state there are several Torts protecting me in this regard.
Sapp is still talking shyte
January 10th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Mike, ever wonder why Al hasn’t sicked his attorneys on Sapp and Gannon? Same reason Tiger wont’ sue his accusers. Because they’re telling the truth, and he doesn’t want to open the can of forms any more than it already is. Sapp and Moss get sued, everyone gets subpoenaed to testify, and all of the dirt in Oakland goes public, what Gannon and Moss said, times a thousand. Al doesn’t want that, so he wont’s sue. Usually when someone who has the money to sue the pants off of someone decides not to, Mike, it’s because that person is telling the truth and they want to keep everything under wraps. Surely you knew that as a savvy businessman.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Sapp IS a piece of shiit
January 10th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
can of “worms”, not “forms”, I meant. Attack away. I know you guys are desperate.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Yes but it won’t last forever. We will get better and it looks like the patriots may just get worse.
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There’s been no indication of us getting better from watching the 2009 season. 5-11 to 5-11. All that’s changed is more scandals. And, we won our final game last year. Remember? I don’t know what you’re watching but it’s nothing realistic.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Nnamdi just shows up? Gradkowski? Fargas? I could go on. Do some players just show up? C. Woodson comes to mind
January 10th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
whether NE or Oaktown is greener would be up to the individual player.
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What? So, Burgess and Moss actually think the grass is greener in Oakland now? Because they lost a wild card game. they’d rather play for the Raiders than a team that won their division? Stop sniffing glue.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Patience MR. Patience. We played a lot of play off teams this year tough. We layed down in three games. We are improving. It’s going to happen. I just worry what you will say when we are good again.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Patience MR. Patience.
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Same patience you had with Kiffin?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
We are improving.
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How so?
Surely not by our record.
We were 5-11 last year. And, we won our final 2 games.
We’re 5-11 this year, losing our final two, and had two huge scandals involving the head coach.
Just what color is the sky in your world, dude?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
No patience for a person who is undermining his own organization. Kiffin was looking at the Raiders as a stepping stone job. One as smart as yourself should see that.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
My sky is always the same. Silver and Black. I hated Al Davis 15 years ago. When I was young. Now, I realize you can’t change the owner. So, either you root for the team or you switch. It’s pretty simple.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
“I just worry what you will say when we are good again.”
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When we’re good again, ghost, this is what I’ll say:
“I don’t wish death on anyone, but let’s face it, since Al Davis passed away we’ve only improved.”
January 10th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
No patience for a person who is undermining his own organization. Kiffin was looking at the Raiders as a stepping stone job. One as smart as yourself should see that.
Why did he use the organization as a stepping stone? I thought everyone wanted to be the HC of the Raiders?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Madden, both players did leave for what they thought and may still think are greener pastures, but I’m sure that they were expecting a SB ring, especially Moss. Some players have stayed and you can’t refute that as much as you would like to.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
No patience for a person who is undermining his own organization.
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LOL. What? What are you talking about? How did Kiffin “undermine” the Raiders? You’re one dramatic character. You sound like Al reading the overhead projector.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
By the way in my world we won the opener against SD. So, you can see an improvement in my world. And he did it with all of that scandal surrounding him. Which was also a media driven witch hunt. I don’t belive everything I read in print or here on ESPN. Especially when it comes to the Raiders.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
So, either you root for the team or you switch. It’s pretty simple.
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What if we choose to do neither? What are you going to do?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
My sky is always the same. Silver and Black. I hated Al Davis 15 years ago. When I was young. Now, I realize you can’t change the owner. So, either you root for the team or you switch. It’s pretty simple.
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Yeah, ya got that Madden Raider. Support the team or switch. Those are your options.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Kiffin called Morten Andersen and Co. more than his wife. Kiffin can suck my left nutt…
January 10th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Why was he disloyal? Former Raiders team trainer George Anderson said Al is loyal only to himself.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
I’ll keep teaching you about how life really works. And hopefully one day you look back at all of this with a greater appreciation for who you are and what you do with your life.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Madden, both players did leave for what they thought and may still think are greener pastures,
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Again, genius.
What pasture is greener?
New England, or Oakland?
What do you mean they “think” New England is a greener pasture?
Is it not?
They went 10-6 and won their division.
The Raiders got worse. Same record, yet with even more scandals and chaos within the organization, and they also tanked at the end of the year, as opposed to last season when the Raiders finished strong.
What do you mean they think New England is a greener pasture? New England is a greener pasture and a complete better universe than Oakland. They left Oakland for greener pastures, and got it. What is the matter with you?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Ditto, support the team or switch, beotch
January 10th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Vegas NE is primed for a ass whoopin its not too late!
January 10th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Madden
Moss will leave again, you dumb shyt. He’s a selfish, 1/2 effort fuk
January 10th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
By the way in my world we won the opener against SD.
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In the real world, the Raiders switched up to their famous prevent defense with time on the clock and allowed SD to march right downfield and score for the win. See, that’s the thing. There’s your world, then there’s the real world. You tell me what you saw in your world, and I’ll tell you what really happened. We can play this game all day.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Yeah, ya got that Madden Raider. Support the team or switch. Those are your options.
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And what happens if I do neither?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Madden
How dare you use the Madden name, he would beotch slap you if he saw how you talk down about this organization.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
MR has a striking resemblance to Richochet.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Sorry Ghost but this is just a mind numbing statement. No doubt your probably a liberal as well.
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# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
By the way in my world we won the opener against SD.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Kiffin called Morten Andersen and Co. more than his wife.
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How do you know that? Oh, that’s right, you saw it in “your world”. LOL. Seriously, what proof do you have that Kiffin was telling reporters things that he shouldn’t have?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Facetious…Lighten up, Francis
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
I’ll keep teaching you about how life really works. And hopefully one day you look back at all of this with a greater appreciation for who you are and what you do with your life.
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Uh, ok. I’m going to call of the mental hospitals now, and see if anyone’s missing. I think I’ve found one.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
I said it was my world. We played Baltimore tough, we played SD tough, We beat Cincy (playoffs), We beat the Eagles (Playoffs) and we beat defending super Bowl champion Steelers. Not a great season. But, I didn’t expect us to be much better this year anyway. Show me a post before the season began that I said we would findish better than 6 and 10.
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Ditto, support the team or switch, beotch
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Or else what, beotch?
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
MB, he is a liberal. He’s waaayyyyyy out there
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
I knew it!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Right on CaptainB, I think they are Broncos or Chargers fans spewing hate
January 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
…and a liberal too, holy shyt, that says it all
January 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Madden
Moss will leave again, you dumb shyt. He’s a selfish, 1/2 effort fuk
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you listen, dumb shyt. You insinuated that New England is NOT a greener pasture than Oakland, which makes you the dumbest shyt to ever float to the top of the toilet. Now pipe down before you get flushed.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Because MR which is very appropriate by the way. When kiffin was here we were in the news everyday. Kiffin gone the media had to go else where for there stories. You really are a blind.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Madden Richochet is another…
January 10th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Madden
How dare you use the Madden name, he would beotch slap you if he saw how you talk down about this organization.
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Madden feels the same way about the Raiders as I do.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Only 24 more hours until the overhead projector gets plugged in and the off season soap opera begins! Its almost better than the regular season..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
And who is more mental. The guy on the blog spewing hate for a team. Yet he still says he is a fan of that same team. Time for a little self ananlysis.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
…and a liberal too, holy shyt, that says it all
Lol!!! I don’t believe you are being sincere but I will play like you are.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
I said it was my world. We played Baltimore tough, we played SD tough,
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Ha ha ha ha!!! Now you’re saying we played SD “tough”. At first you said we beat them. I guess you do a lot of beck pedaling in your world, too. Hey, that’s the one thing your world has in common with the real world. You do a lot of back pedaling in this world, too!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Ghost, in my mind Barback 0bama didnt really get elected and we are not the laughing stock to the world for the way we handle terrorism. Health Care and bribing Senators for votes also is NOT happening, right?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Madden,
me so scared, me dont know what to do other than to say, fuk off. Your opinions are not only unpopular and unfounded, but down right stupid. Admit it, you’re a broncos fan.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
MB, he is a liberal. He’s waaayyyyyy out there
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So is most of the country. Otherwise Obama wouldn’t be president.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
e Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
I said it was my world. We played Baltimore tough, we played SD tough,
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Ha ha ha ha!!! Now you’re saying we played SD “tough”. At first you said we beat them. I guess you do a lot of beck pedaling in your world, too. Hey, that’s the one thing your world has in common with the real world. You do a lot of back pedaling in this world, too!
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Reminds you of Obama, doesn’t it!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Thank God Barback didnt get elected and we didnt triple our deficit in 11 months..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Captain, I am sincere
January 10th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Less than 20% of Americans identify themselves as Libturds. Over 50% call themselves Americans, I mean conservative. Numbers don’t lie.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Keep hating MR. Keep hating. And of course keep rooting for the Raiders too. I wouldn’t want you to feel incomplete or anything…. Have a great day. Go Raiders.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Because MR which is very appropriate by the way. When kiffin was here we were in the news everyday. Kiffin gone the media had to go else where for there stories.
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Your world: The media left Oakland with Kiffin.
Real world: National headlines involving Cable’s violence in the locker room and hitting women, Gannon and Sapp speaking out against the Raiders, John Herrera bashing Gannon to the press, a billboard going up near the coliseum….
Let’s keep playing this your world vs. the real world thing, Ghost. It’s fun.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Captain, I am sincere
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Cheers!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
The same Country that voted this clown in is going to vote him out in 2012.
Every 12 years or so this Country forgets what a disaster Liberals are and votes one in, then reality sets in.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Hey Madden, pretend you are Richochet now.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Packers are self destructing. The packer KR person is as bad as ours. Maybe AD will pick him up in FA.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
And the independents in the middle (30%) are damn angry that 0bama got their vote. 2012 is just around the corner…
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Less than 20% of Americans identify themselves as Libturds. Over 50% call themselves Americans, I mean conservative. Numbers don’t lie.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
And who is more mental. The guy on the blog spewing hate for a team. Yet he still says he is a fan of that same team. Time for a little self ananlysis.
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I don’t hate the team, I hate the management.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Madden, America voted Carter in as president too. Yes, we have made mistakes before.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
How did that one work out for the media. Cable kept his job and the NFL punished Cable to the fullest. Not..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Ghost, in my mind Barback 0bama didnt really get elected
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Wow, you have your own world, too? Hey, you and ghost should meet up. You guys can discuss your alternate realities. In the real world, however, Obama did actually get elected. He annihilated John McCain and Sarah Palin, and got more votes than any presidential candidate in history, just short of 70 million. Let me know if you need any more help with the real world.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I bet you were slurpin’ and burpin’ from your momma’s tyt when Jimmy was president.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
MR, is so uninformed and ignorant like his BFF KoolKell, he thinks Liberals are a majority. He also doesnt understand Independents sway elections and they are mad as hell right now with Barback/Peelosi
January 10th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Like I said in a few years you will wake up. That hate is good stuff too.. It’s helping you. I can really tell. Have a good afternoon. I am.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Apparently even sarcasm goes over MR’s head.
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Ghost, in my mind Barback 0bama didnt really get elected
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Wow, you have your own world, too? Hey, you and ghost should meet up. You guys can discuss your alternate realities. In the real world, however, Obama did actually get elected. He annihilated John McCain and Sarah Palin, and got more votes than any presidential candidate in history, just short of 70 million. Let me know if you need any more help with the real world.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Madden, you can hate the management, but you are hurting the team by not showing support for the whole. Just remember, it’s the same management that brought greatness and the reason you are a so called fan.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Annihilated….Lol! You must be KK too.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Madden,
me so scared, me dont know what to do other than to say, fuk off. Your opinions are not only unpopular and unfounded, but down right stupid.
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What’s downright stupid is your repetitive insinuations that New England is somehow *not* a more greener pasture than Oakland.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
No patience for a person who is undermining his own organization. Kiffin was looking at the Raiders as a stepping stone job. One as smart as yourself should see that.
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You didn’t follow along, did you?
Kiffin DID his job.
the team loved the guy, across the board.
Kiffin dared to actually believe HE WAS SUPPOSED to make coaching decisions…silly twaddle.
When he CORRECTLY stated ‘Old man? I really…REALLY..think it’s a mistake to draft that fat toad, Russell’..he was CORRECT. Al bristled at the idea he dare even think..
Then..Kiffin CORRECTLY fired that sorryass joke of a DC, Ryan..where Al made it clear to the world “You don’t make decisions here, I do. Didn’t you read the fine “I’m but a puppet in Al’s world” disclaimer?
Foolish to state Kiffin used the Raiders as a stepping stone.
He was in it fully…ACCORDING TO EVERY PLAYER ON THE TEAM..UNTIL Al did was Al does best, which is sabotage the coach.
Kiffin did what he should do..which is made it clear ‘I DON’T NEED YOUR SHYTE, AL’ just like Gruden did.
the ONLY ones who accept Al’s crap is coaches on the fence, hoping for another chance in the NFL..the Turners, the Shells.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Thank God Barback didnt get elected and we didnt triple our deficit in 11 months..
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Yeh, and the economy was just soaring before Obama got elected. The whole election was about the economy, genius, which is why Republicans weren’t taken seriously.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Madden Richochet has risen.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Less than 20% of Americans identify themselves as Libturds. Over 50% call themselves Americans, I mean conservative. Numbers don’t lie.
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You’d better get them to vote, then. Because Democrats control DC and the president is a liberal, black Democrat named Barack Hussein Obama. you’re right, numbers don’t lie. Obama got 70 million votes, more than any candidate in the history of the union.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
0bama, KoolKell, and MR are taking a beating in here. Dont worry ladies AL will break out the overhead soon and you can duck for cover then…
January 10th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
LMAO at someone comparing NE to the Raiders.
At your drunkest state…totally fried state…stating that would still make you a fool.
Being cohesive, and stating that?
Damn…it’s called setting yourself up for abuse.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
LOL MistaB
January 10th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Keep hating MR. Keep hating. And of course keep rooting for the Raiders too. I wouldn’t want you to feel incomplete or anything…. Have a great day. Go Raiders.
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Goodbye, Ghost. Have fun in your alternate world. And keep believing that Oakland is a more greener pasture than New England.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Maxine Waters and her husband made fortunes from Fannie and Freddie giving loans to those who did not make enough money to own a home. As a matter of fact, the Democratic Party filled their piggy banks on all that tax payer money.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
The same Country that voted this clown in is going to vote him out in 2012.
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Right. That’s why you can’t name one single Republican who’s rumored to run in ‘12 that can beat Obama.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Eureka had a 6.5 Earthquake?????
I didnt feel anything!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
MR = Barney Frank
January 10th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Richochet, if NE is so much of a better place, then why aren’t you a pats fan?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Enjoy it while you can, MR, KK, Richochet. He will be voted out in 2012.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Madden Richochet has risen.
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I’m curious about something, OakGlenn.
When you tuck tail, and run..accepting the fact you got slapped so hard you’ll never be able to get up…do you still cringe a little when you sign in under a new name?
It’s like accepting total defeat.
Maybe the solution is to not be such an easy target?
Food for thought, OakDork.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
MR=Jesse Jackson….uhh, umm, ohhh. Clear the smoke, Jesse is thinkin’
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
And the independents in the middle (30%) are damn angry that 0bama got their vote. 2012 is just around the corner…
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What polls have indicated that they’ll vote for any of the Republicans rumored to run? Independents are upset with Obama, but they’ve shown no indication that they’re going to vote for lunatics like Sarah Palin. I see Obama getting reelected, just by a lesser margin. Republicans are probably going to try to put a minority in there to run against him, and it will be a huge fail. They only tapped Palin to get Hillary supporters, and you saw how well that went.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
The same Country that voted this clown in is going to vote him out in 2012.
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Right. That’s why you can’t name one single Republican who’s rumored to run in ‘12 that can beat Obama.
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Yeah, and Obama wasn’t a no name 3 years prior to the election?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Billary was the front runner and Obama wasn’t even a thought.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Richochet, “your” crazy, lol!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Domestic terrorism in 2009 has skyrocketed with our Liberal Community Organizer/Pres. 0bama makes J Carter look like a foreign policy whiz.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Richochet, if NE is so much of a better place, then why aren’t you a pats fan?
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Oh geez…Mental Midget 101 class is in order.
Isn’t EVERY place better than the Raiders?
What positive emits from OakSlum?
Worst fans in the NFL.
Arguably the worst city in the country. (Detroit, St. Louis are in running.)
Worst owner of any team of any sport.
Team is laughing stock of the country.
Team has set records for futility.
Most blackouts in the last decade of any team.
WHAT TEAM/ORGANIZATION CAN YOU LIST THAT IS WORSE THAN OAKLAND?
Oh..and save the ‘back in ancient history days, before CD’s were invented, and some guy named Reagan was running things, Raiders were good’..talking about the last two decades.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Madden, America voted Carter in as president too.
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Not by as much of a margin as they voted for Obama. Obama’s got more charisma and political talent in his pinky finger than Carter has in his entire body. Obama’s up there with Bush, Clinton, and Reagan when it comes to raw political talent. It’s a key factor. Obama’s not in campaign mode right now. Look up some youtubes of when he was, in 2008. They threw everything at him. Birth certificate, supposed muslim upbringing, Jeremiah Wright, “palling around with terrorists”, and he still won in a landslide. Jimmy Carter would not have withstood those odds. He would have folded.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Rayda,
Billary looks like a moderate level headed thinking conservative Dem in the 0bama cabinet. Thats how bad this current admin is….Billary looks like the sane one.
God help us..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
If “Dubya” can win a second term, even though everybody knew he was the dumbest SOB ever to win an election, anybody can win a second term. Obama will win the second go round so get over it.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Jimmy’s Secretary of Defense was a pacifist. Can you imagine appointing a pacifist to that post? Only an incredibly ignorant Libturd!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Richoshyt You are obviously no Raiders fan…and a waste of my time. Good riddens
January 10th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
MR, how did Barback manage to lose us 4 million jobs after his 800 billion dollar “job stimulus”. And dont blame BUSH this Barbacks economy.
Go ahead..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
The Cardinal have OWNED the Packers in the 1st Quarter. The Packers will have to really settle down if they want to get back into this game. So far, I don’t see that happening.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
# Ghost to the Post Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
How did that one work out for the media. Cable kept his job and the NFL punished Cable to the fullest. Not..
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You said the media left us alone when Kiffin left, as if it was Kiffin bringing all of the drama. Kiffin leaves, we have a coach hitting another coach, a coach beating women, a public fight between a former player and one of al’s lackeys, a billboard going up near the coliseum demanding Al to jump into a lake… yeh. The media hoopla sure left with Kiffin, didn’t it?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Mista, I hear ya
January 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Madden, the media has done a great job covering for Obama. When a reporter from the LA Times was asked why the paper did not expose the corruption in a certain gov. entity, the reported responded by stating that they did not want to be responsible for bringing down the first black manager.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Richochet, “your” crazy, lol!!!!!
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Let’s not pretend I’ll let you off the hook, OakDork.
First off, you freaking moron..you stupidly sign in under Herrera..EXCEPT YOUR DUMBASS DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO SPELL HIS NAME…dude..just when I think you can’t appear anymore pathetic, you prove me wrong…sooooo, LOL..you change that name..AFTER YOU GO LOOK UP HOW TO SPELL IT.
You’re the board pinata..OakGlenn..regardless of what name your sorry cross posting slapped on inept ass signs in under.
Hell, I made you my beyotch on day one..and you followed me, posting take after take after take..JUST LIKE YOU DO UNDER THIS HANDLE.
You’re just too stupid to figure out how to cover your tracks, lol..you moron.
No shame in running and hiding..and signing in under a new name, hoping no one will know it’s you.
Ok..I lied..there is.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Obama is so smart and Bush was so stupid yet Obama has visited 57 states!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
LMAO!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Woodson has done it again.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I bet Barback can see Russia from all 57 states..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Mista, I thought Obumble visted 58 states?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I bet you were slurpin’ and burpin’ from your momma’s tyt when Jimmy was president.
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I was. But I can read, and learn about past presidents and past political climates. Reading is that thing you see smart people doing. It’s kind of like when you look at pictures in your gun magazines, but it’s those small little characters on the rest of the page. Maybe one day someone will teach you.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Richoshyt You are obviously no Raiders fan…and a waste of my time. Good riddens
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Translation: I think it wise that I shut up. This guy seems to be able to hand me my ass on a platter. I should WAVE THE WHITE FLAG NOW.
Wave away, little boy.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Richochet keeps bouncing between aliases….Nice!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Well he did visit 57 states with 1 or 2 more to go…
So…uhmmm yah could have been 58 or 59, whos counting ?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
MR, is so uninformed and ignorant like his BFF KoolKell, he thinks Liberals are a majority.
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I don’t know if they’re a majority or not. All I know is that if this country were more conservative than liberal, Obama would not have won by as much as he did.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I bet you were slurpin’ and burpin’ from your momma’s tyt when Jimmy was president.
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I was. But I can read, and learn about past presidents and past political climates. Reading is that thing you see smart people doing. It’s kind of like when you look at pictures in your gun magazines, but it’s those small little characters on the rest of the page. Maybe one day someone will teach you.
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And ignorant people like you assume and judge. Switch alias quick!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
JB is another uninformed head stuck in the sand Liberal.
JB, go ahead and curse Bush for his deficits while Barback tripled Bush in his first year in office, thats my favorite argument from you drones. Or better yet say what a mess he inherited..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
You call yopurself Madden Raider and you were not even alive when he coached. Go away, boy!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Madden, you can hate the management, but you are hurting the team by not showing support for the whole.
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You’re insane.
The fans didn’t hire Tom Cable.
The fans didn’t run Kiffin out of town just for trying to build a winning team.
The fans didn’t pass on Ben Roethlisberger because we already had….drumroll…Kerry Collins!
The fans didn’t trade Jon Gruden to a competitive NFC team we’d likely have to play in the Super Bowl.
The fans didn’t take Mike Huff with the first pick of the ‘06 draft.
Put your pipe down and get to rehab, asap.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
MB, Madden Raider, KK, and Richochet is the same turd… Uhhhh, ummm, ohh.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
KK=KOOL KELVIN? lOL
January 10th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Kool Kelvin, uhh, umm, ohh…
January 10th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Enjoy it while you can, MR, KK, Richochet. He will be voted out in 2012.
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Considering you guys can’t name one single Republican rumored to run against him that you think will beat him, it’s not likely.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
What a flyppin loser. Postin with multiple aliases on a football board. Get off goment aid and get a job, KK
January 10th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
JB is watching that youtube clip wondering how the hell is genius HERO is talking about 57 states..lol
January 10th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
MR=Jesse Jackson….
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See, there’s the problem with most of you Republicans. You guys are living in the past. Jesse Jackson is irrelevant today. It’s a new day. Jackson criticized Obama when he said that black parents need to be more responsible, etc. Obama brushed him off like a flea. Jackson is part of the old era. It’s a new day now. Hey, there are people that Obama’s connected to who hate white people, and Obama might just throw them a bone or two. But keep your eyes on Jesse Jackson, because he’s not one of them. That’s why you guys are out of power. You’ve lost that edge. You’re arguing the politics of 10 years ago. You guys just don’t understand what’s happening in this world today. You only know how to deal with it with paranoia. paranoia = self destroya. Nothing will rot your brain faster. That’s why Obama won by so much and will win again.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
What a flyppin loser. Postin with multiple aliases on a football board. Get off goment aid and get a job, KK
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Oh, that is right, we are losing jobs.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
It wont really matter who runs against him he will just get voted out because he’s a reckless imbecile thats FK’d up the Country, get over it.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Richochet, “your” crazy, lol!!!!!
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# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
You call yopurself Madden Raider and you were not even alive when he coached. Go away, boy!
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Yopurself?? let me guess..you learned that where you live? Which, as I recall is 5 min from the stadium?
Ghetto-ebonics?
LMFAO..you’re still dumber than cotton, OakGlenn.
You still set yourself up to get slapped on.
Now..moron..if you want to post the weakest of the weak, a typo as your ONLY REPLY, then learn to spell.
Quite simple, even for simple people.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
According to KK the economy couldn’t be better. In March when they close Nummi down KK should stand outside and shake hands with all the unemployed workers that probably voted for 0bama.
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# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
What a flyppin loser. Postin with multiple aliases on a football board. Get off goment aid and get a job, KK
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Oh, that is right, we are losing jobs.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
states..lol
181.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
MR=Jesse Jackson….
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See, there’s the problem with most of you Republicans. You guys are living in the past. Jesse Jackson is irrelevant today. It’s a new day. Jackson criticized Obama when he said that black parents need to be more responsible, etc. Obama brushed him off like a flea. Jackson is part of the old era. It’s a new day now. Hey, there are people that Obama’s connected to who hate white people, and Obama might just throw them a bone or two. But keep your eyes on Jesse Jackson, because he’s not one of them. That’s why you guys are out of power. You’ve lost that edge. You’re arguing the politics of 10 years ago. You guys just don’t understand what’s happening in this world today. You only know how to deal with it with paranoia. paranoia = self destroya. Nothing will rot your brain faster. That’s why Obama won by so much and will win again.
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And Madden quotes a Rap tune. You are a joke, Chicken George
January 10th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Yeah, and Obama wasn’t a no name 3 years prior to the election?
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Actually, Obama was rumored to run for prez almost immediately after he was sworn in as senator. Rumors were swirling and polls were being taken, that showed strong results for Obama. That’s why he decided to run. Liberals and Democrats were already throwing in with him that early, saying they think he could win. These guys in here, MB, CaptainBlack, they can’t name one single republican rumored to run who they think can beat Obama. Some confidence! That’s a huge reflection on the electability of the current cast of Republican clowns, like Palin, Romney, Guilaini, who’s still walking around saying, “9/11, 9/11, 9/11!!”. LOL. If even Republicans dont’ believe in any of their potential candidates, what makes you think the rest of the country will?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
MR, I didnt get your answer.
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# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
MR, how did Barback manage to lose us 4 million jobs after his 800 billion dollar “job stimulus”. And dont blame BUSH this Barbacks economy.
Go ahead..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
MR, if you can explain how we lose 4 million jobs after 0bams job stimulus without blaming Bush I wont say another word..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Richochet, “your” crazy, lol!!!!!
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Let’s not pretend I’ll let you off the hook, OakDork.
First off, you freaking moron..you stupidly sign in under Herrera..EXCEPT YOUR DUMBASS DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO SPELL HIS NAME…dude..just when I think you can’t appear anymore pathetic, you prove me wrong…sooooo, LOL..you change that name..AFTER YOU GO LOOK UP HOW TO SPELL IT.
You’re the board pinata..OakGlenn..regardless of what name your sorry cross posting slapped on inept ass signs in under.
Hell, I made you my beyotch on day one..and you followed me, posting take after take after take..JUST LIKE YOU DO UNDER THIS HANDLE.
You’re just too stupid to figure out how to cover your tracks, lol..you moron.
No shame in running and hiding..and signing in under a new name, hoping no one will know it’s you.
Ok..I lied..there is.
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I’m curious, OakGlenn..do you think replying to the above with the following, means it will go away?
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Richochet keeps bouncing between aliases….Nice!
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You ok, pumpkin? lol…don’t worry, I’ll continue to remind you of your tucked tail, about you slithering off, crying like a slapped on child, begging everyone to stop picking on ya.
My pleasure
January 10th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
0bama claims to visit 57 states
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
January 10th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Richochet, “your” a poodle.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Billary was the front runner and Obama wasn’t even a thought.
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Nonsense. Why are there so many people in here who try to talk politics and obviously have no idea what they’re talking about? Do a google news search on Obama in ‘05, which was less than a year after he was sworn in as senator, and the rumors of him running for president. Obama was the star of the ‘04 convention. A lot of democrats wanted to toss John Kerry and run him then! You have no idea what your’e talking about. You’re not informed enough to discuss this. You’re the type of guy who only reads the sports page, and I mean the captions under the picture, with your mom helping you.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
No, “your” a peanut
January 10th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
MR if you can explain how we lose 4 million jobs after 0bams job stimulus without blaming Bush I wont say another word..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Domestic terrorism in 2009 has skyrocketed with our Liberal Community Organizer/Pres. 0bama makes J Carter look like a foreign policy whiz.
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domestic terrorism? The only domestic terrorism we see today is from these right wing nuts! The failed attack on christmas was foiled. After 9/11, Americans are looking out for that shyt now. They see anything funny on an airplane, and they’re taking care of business. Obama even said that, too. We’ve got the citizens foiling attacks, now. It’s on to new things. The economy is a bigger issue. Guiliani has been banging that 9/11 drum for the past decade, and it’s why he didn’t get out of the starting gate in the ‘08 primaries. He’s living in the past.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
It should be impossible for a Govt to spend 800 million on jobs and lose 4 million unless you know Govt cant create jobs, tell a liberal this!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
MR, when is Obama going to pay that woman’s rent and gas for her vehicle? She was not the only one either. Did you hear those folks on that radio show in Detroit? 40 acres and a mule
January 10th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
MR, how did Barback manage to lose us 4 million jobs after his 800 billion dollar “job stimulus”. And dont blame BUSH this Barbacks economy.
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Bush’s fault. Economy crashed in summer of ‘08. Everything that’s happening now is connected to it.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Really? You uninformed ingrate!
Does Fort Hood ring a bell ???? How about the muslim in Colorado that got arrested with all that bomb making materials?
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
domestic terrorism? The only domestic terrorism we see today is from these right wing nuts!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
MR, “The failed attack on christmas was foiled.” The moron couldn’t ignite the explosive correctly.
And it’s Christmas, Richochet!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Madden, the media has done a great job covering for Obama.
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Yeh, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Fox News, Brit Hume, they’re always covering for Obama. Are you guys insane?
January 10th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
JB is another uninformed head stuck in the sand Liberal.
JB, go ahead and curse Bush for his deficits while Barback tripled Bush in his first year in office, thats my favorite argument from you drones. Or better yet say what a mess he inherited..
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Obama didn’t get 4000+ of our young people killed – that’s on George W & his good buddy Cheney. Obama isn’t responsible for 60000+ injured servicemen & women – Yhat again is on George W ^ his buddy. Obama didn’t waste 1.8 trillion dollar on a war we should never have been involved in – Same guys, same story. Obama did inherit a very bleak economy and is doing everything he can to prevent another full blown depression – thanks to the efforts of George W, Cheney & all their corrupt business buddies. Granted corruption knows no one political party and the democrats have more than their share. Just proves that all politicians are likely to be corrupt if they are there long enough – a good reason for term limits. Point is that if we hadn’t been involved in two unjustified wars our financial picture would have o doubt looked beter and the steps that Obama took might not have been necessary. I’m neither left or right but I ‘ll be damned if I was going to vote for an ex-military POW & a Female George W Bush – probably the dumbest female SOB ever to run for office.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Loser, this is Obamas mess as soon as he confiscated 800 billion and spent it on garbage and called it a “job stimulus”.
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Bush’s fault. Economy crashed in summer of ‘08. Everything that’s happening now is connected to it.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
MB, Madden Raider is horribly ignorant.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
MR is not even aware of Domestic terrorism!
Not only is 0bama stuck on stupid so are his boot licking followers.
JB, I’m not even going to waste a minute on you. LOL what a mess!
January 10th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I bet Barback can see Russia from all 57 states..
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How sad that you can’t make fun of a Democrat’s gaffe without including a comment by a Republican that might be one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said on television? And, Palin’s answer was no gaffe or error. She meant to say it. She was mocking Obama’s lack of experience in national security, and when Couris asked her what experience she had, she said she could see Russia from her house. Go see what happened to your guys’ poll numbers after that interview. You guys were going to lose, anyway. But that made it a landslide. Sarah Palin was so stupid that a black liberal named Barack Hussein Obama beat her and her running mate in a landslide. Wow.
January 10th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
MR, tell the 13 families of Fort Hood that lost their son or daughter theres no domestic terrorism you ignorant tool.
Good grief..
January 10th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
McFadden is playing DB for the Cards! Cool..
January 10th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
JB is another uninformed head stuck in the sand Liberal.
JB, go ahead and curse Bush for his deficits
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LOL. Will due. And, Bush had the convenience of hiding the Iraq budget from the recorded national budget. Bush failed at every single aspect of presidency. Every single aspect. Let the largest attack in US history happen on his watch, and was informed of the intelligence beforehand. Then we get the worst economy since the depression. Bush is the reason you’ll never another Republican president in your lifetime. Bush is the reason you can’t go out on a limb and name any individual republican who could beat obama. because you know there isn’t one, on the planet.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
I can’t help but wonder where the Raiders would be if they would have drafted similiar to the Jets over the last 7 years??
Great to see Baltimore completely dismantle the myth that is Bellichek and Brady. Brady looked completely demoralized in the first half…couldn’t have happened to a better guy.
Even the refs were trying to help the Pats win, with there fair share of favorable spots, and questionable calls. Too bad for the Pats, the former darlings of the NFL.
I wonder what Harbaugh is going to say about the missed challenge? I wonder if Bellichek pulled a fast one.
The Pats are a dirty team, and their WR’s got away with interference the whole game.
So do the Ravens have what it takes to handle Manning?? Definitely the game to watch next week.
And here’s hoping the Jets D comes through against SD. The Jets have a punchers chance against SD, it all depends on how they match up against Jackson and Gates.
Go Raiders!
January 10th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
MB, Madden Raider, KK, and Richochet is the same turd… Uhhhh, ummm, ohh.
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Got us! We’re owned. And don’t forget, we’re also Rich Gannon, Warren Sapp, and Marcus Allen! Later on today we’re going to transform into Italian president burlasconi, for kicks.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Bush spent money like a Dem. He was on his 2nd term so we couldn’t vote him out.
Thank god we can vote out Obama in 2012.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
If GB scores before the half Arizona is in trouble in the 2nd half.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Maybe, GB has a big play D, but it’s the playoffs on astro turf, Warner could keep lighting it up. Can’t count out Fitzgerld.
If Gant can get going then the cards are in trouble.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
It wont really matter who runs against him he will just get voted out
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Are you really this stupid?
How will get get voted out?
If nobody runs against him, he wins by default.
Somebody has to run against him. And they’ll be running against a candidate who set a record with the popular vote in the previous election, and will have a war chest of money. Obama is going to be on the defense, on the attack, and still pointing out how Bush is at fault for everything happening right now. It doesn’t matter if you agree with him or not. What matters is that he’ll make his case, and there’s not a republican with the charisma or message who could beat him. That’s why you won’t name one. Think about how sad that is, that you keep insisting Obama will lose, but can’t name one single person who will beat him?
January 10th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Roch R Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
And here’s hoping the Jets D comes through against SD. The Jets have a punchers chance against SD, it all depends on how they match up against Jackson and Gates.
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The Jet’s have the #1 Defense and it shows. Put Rivers on his ass on a regular basis and Gates & Jackson will be non-issues. I like the Jets chances as long as Sanchez plays next week like he did yesterday.
Just proves that Defenses also win Championships.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
If the Jets can get the running game going the game is theirs.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
MR, if you can explain how we lose 4 million jobs after 0bams job stimulus without blaming Bush I wont say another word..
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That’s like explaining Nicole Brown Simpson’s murder without blaming O.J.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Really? You uninformed ingrate!
Does Fort Hood ring a bell ????
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Is fort hood a soft target? It’s not Obama’s fault they were too busy playing cards there and let a nut job get off that many rounds.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
That was Bushs’ army at fort hood farting around and letting that idiot get that many shots off. His guys running the place.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Packers should have gone for the TD IMO. There is no tomorrow for the loser of this game. They REALLY needed the 7 points more than the 3.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
MR, tell the 13 families of Fort Hood that lost their son or daughter theres no domestic terrorism you ignorant tool.
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While you could technically call that domestic terrorism, it was really more of a wake up call that some soldiers on some bases need to be a little more cautious of their surroundings. Every US base is a target of our enemies, all of the time. There was no excuse for him to get that many rounds off. He did because they were farting around, just like their former commander in chief.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Mistabrown Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Bush spent money like a Dem.
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Wrong. No Dem in history spent as much as Bush did, if you count the Iraq budget, which he conveniently removed from the national budget. Bush spent like Bush. Bush spent like a modern day, neo con Republican. Corporate welfare for wall street and military contractors.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Ha ha Patriots!
January 10th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
So I’m guessing that Raider nation is pretty bored here. Watching polarized red/blue conversations is at first amusing, and then just damn annoying. Get a room guys and try to keep at least 20% of the content here Raiders related please. It gets old sifting through the same old drivel from both sides.
Seriously, has anyone here EVER seen a polarized political debate ever change the opinion of anyone on either side? I’m not exactly expecting to see that here either, so please stop clouding the board with the same so-called debate topics over and over and over and over . . .
So back onto football: Fitzgerald is winning the 1:1 battle against Woodson. As much as I liked Woodson, I think Nnamdi is better. They’re both great tackling CBs (the edge to Woodson here) but Nnamdi is the better shutdown cover guy by a long ways. He gambles less than Woodson and gets beat less. He also doesn’t get run over in traffic like Woodson just did
January 10th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Woodson just makes 20 times more plays than Nnamdi….for whatever reason.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
# Demon Raider Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Scott has been pretty good as a rush LB, but I think he’s better suited as a down end. Aside from DT McCoy and MLB McClain, I wouldn’t mind seeing either DE Derrick Morgan or OT Bruce Campbell taken either….
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I disagree. Scott is much better as a standup elephant OLB then a full time down DE.
He is to small to be a full time down DE. He makes more plays being a standup OLB elephant type.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
DKnight,
I agree…Scott is a huge liability at DE. Todd McShay has us drafting that Derrick Morgan, a DE…why would we do that? Matt S., Ellis and Seymour are just fine as far as I am concerned.
Get an OT, MLB or DT instead.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
This game is over. It was over when the Packers went for 3 instead of 7 at halftime. It’s just not their day I guess. Oh well, doesn’t rea;;y make any difference as the Cardinals will gas it next week. The Saints are due for a big blowout & I think Dallas will handle the Vikings. That will leave us a rematch of the Saints & Cowboys at New Orleans. Don’t know who to pick but my heart would like to see the Saints make it to the SB.
On the other side we’ll have the Jets vs. The Chargers & the Colts vs. the Ravens. I predict that will result in a Jets vs. the Colts with the Colts ending up in the SB. The net result will be one great SB between the Colts & Saints – the way it should be, the two best teams. It’s really going to be a great & explosive game. I think the Saints gave a good chance, if their running game is working, of pulling an upset and taking it all. Only time will tell.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
# Demon Raider Says:
January 9th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Scott has been pretty good as a rush LB, but I think he’s better suited as a down end. Aside from DT McCoy and MLB McClain, I wouldn’t mind seeing either DE Derrick Morgan or OT Bruce Campbell taken either….
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I disagree. Scott is much better as a standup elephant OLB then a full time down DE.
He is to small to be a full time down DE. He makes more plays being a standup OLB elephant type.
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Agreed!
January 10th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
I think picking a bookend LT like Campbell, Williams, or Davis should be the pick at #8 currently. It will strengthen the O-Line tremendously. Move Mario to RT and with Gallery at LG and L Walker moving to RG…..the line will be more powerful. If the old man picks a LT, then he better be damn sure he has LONG arms and has good footwork and balance. Gallery has aligator short arms and I don’t know how that got passed the scouts before drafting him.
Yes, a Center is needed to compete with Satele and Morris, but picking a Center with the #8 pick is silly and stupid. Then again, this is the looney old man Al we are talking about so it is possible. LOL
Just as I feared….after seeing Cody in the title game…..I still don’t think he is worth the #8 pick overall. He has weight issues and will be a two down player in the NFL. Those two reasons mean he is not worth the #8 overall pick.
New Raider mini mock below by me that won’t happen. I kinda like this one. Especially if Harbaugh is hired as Head Coach…..
Rd 1- LT Bruce Campbell, Maryland
Rd 2- DE Corey Wootton, Northwestern
Rd 3a- MLB Micah Johnson, Kentucky
Rd 3b- QB Jevan Snead, Ole Miss
Rd 4- DT Ekom Udofia, Stanford, or DT Geno Adkins, Georgia
Rd 5a- OG Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
Rd 5b- CB/KR Devin McCourty, Rutgers
January 10th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Will Cable have a job tomorrow?
January 10th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Negra, you obviously are a Democrat.
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LOL, neither Democrats nor Republicans pull many votes around these parts =)
January 10th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
So the Black militia resides outside the U.S.?
January 10th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
I hae thought for a long time, with sources inside the organization, that cable will be retained. But today I have a feeling that he is gone. This isn’t from whatI hear, this is from what I feel. At some point Al has to think “this might be my last hire.” Do you think al wants a zone blocking scheme non, ticket selling, potential to get blown out head coach? It just doesn’t fit. If Cable does get fired, I expect there to be a big hire, not gilbride or fassel.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Cable will be gone next week IMHO
January 10th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
I hope with all my heart that you are right Raider Guy.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I don’t see AD drafting any more QB’s. He’ll feed that need via FA. And, that’s OK. I’d still like Troy Smith, RFA-Ravens. After yesterday’s games, I fully expect Donovan McNabb to become available. Donovan is the kind of player that AD likes so don’t be surprised if he shows up here. If he does, he’ll do better here than he’s done in Philly. With a decent QB, albeit a veteran on the downside, we will definitely be a playoff caliber team. If we focus the draft at O-line, D-Line & MLB, our defense could be very good if the DC has the latitude to run it the way he wants. If that happens & we have a decent QB, we should be more than competitive.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
# Dakota Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
DKnight,
I agree…Scott is a huge liability at DE. Todd McShay has us drafting that Derrick Morgan, a DE…why would we do that? Matt S., Ellis and Seymour are just fine as far as I am concerned.
Get an OT, MLB or DT instead.
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Yeah, but I can see where McShay is coming from. If they draft a potential stud DE like Morgan, he can start right away at the RDE spot and Seymour can be moved inside to full time DT.
However, there is more value getting a stud O-Linemen LT prospect with the #8 pick. The O-Line needs serious help and this draft is deep at the DE/DT spots. It’s way deep on the DE/OLB side of course.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
If Al tries to “for cause” Cable though, I think we might see Sanjay Lal as our next HC because no one will touch this job….unless Al pays them up front of course.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
It boggles the mind how Joe Buck is an announcer…I think Stephen Hawking’s computer has better voice intonation.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
I like cable. I just don’t think he fits with al and the further the season gets the more different the two seem. He reminds me of Bugel when he was in Az. All the players wanted him and thought they were on the verge of something big but when he got the gig with the raiders, and the players wanted him, he proved that potential to be something good was a mirage not reality
January 10th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Raider Guy my gut tells me the same. This is probably Al’s last shot to do it right and win. I have a suspect the HC will be a surprise too.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
BTW love that steven hawking and the word “intonation” is referenced in the raider blog
January 10th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Thanks for the above post Zymurge. I check in for Raiders or atleast football talk in here and often I’m disappointed
January 10th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Packers are back in this game – GOOD FOR THEM! If they can pull this out I may have to revise my predictions LOL.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Raider Guy my gut tells me the same. This is probably Al’s last shot to do it right and win. I suspect the HC will be a surprise too.
There, that is better
January 10th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Andrew Bynum for Chris Bosh?
Say what?
January 10th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Point blank folks….in the NFL you have to develop your own QB in order to get the great play. With few exceptions this is the rule.
The Raiders have to rely on a strong power running game and a game manager that won’t lose the game.
The Raiders are incapable of developing a QB and have done so ONCE in its entire history.
Run the ball 40x and call 15 to 20 passes a game.
Until Al DAvis hires real coaches that know what they are doing….the best we can hope for is a competitive 8-8
January 10th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Midwest Fan Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Thanks for the above post Zymurge. I check in for Raiders or atleast football talk in here and often I’m disappointed
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Zymurge purpetuated much of this conversation. Go to Jerry’s last update.
January 10th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Could have had sean peyton, could have had weisenhunt, could have had arron rogers (instead we took fabian washington)!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
This games QB’s and WR’s further demonstrate how much work we have to do to get to the next level
January 10th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Rayda, you are right!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
# Raider guy Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
I hae thought for a long time, with sources inside the organization, that cable will be retained. But today I have a feeling that he is gone. This isn’t from whatI hear, this is from what I feel. At some point Al has to think “this might be my last hire.” Do you think al wants a zone blocking scheme non, ticket selling, potential to get blown out head coach? It just doesn’t fit. If Cable does get fired, I expect there to be a big hire, not gilbride or fassel.
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It better be Harbaugh and not some reach like Leach.
My view is that if Cable gets fired, then the old man better hire a far better upgrade who has solid upside like Harbaugh certainly does.
If he replaces Cable with some retread like Fassel or Gilbride, then who cares.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
look at the acuracy of the qbs in this game!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Nope, I was right the first time – this game is over. My predictions remain intact.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
We have very good receivers, Schillens and Murphy, and both will get better. The QB position obviously is a concern. We are not that far off, but we do need to make good decisions this off season
January 10th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
This games QB’s and WR’s further demonstrate how much work we have to do to get to the next level
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Not possible with Tom Cable as head coach. Cable has no sense of balance. He is a pass happy coach who has no respect or use for the running game.
He loves backs that get 3 yards a carry and throws 4 verticals from the 10 yard line.
Until Cable is removed as head coach…talking about a competent offense is a waste of time
January 10th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Dknoight- aL knows about hiring just some other guy. I know that for a fact. AL likes power running. He referenced that in firing Turner. He will NEVER hire leach.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Raider Guy, accurate and what a release!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Whats the record for the most combined points in a playoff game…may be broken tonight.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Al has not forgotten how to hire a HC. He just has to be willing to spend the money. You get what you pay for.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
# Culebra Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
It boggles the mind how Joe Buck is an announcer…I think Stephen Hawking’s computer has better voice intonation.
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Joe Buck is highly overrated!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
WHen you watch real teams like Arizona and Green bay…you realize the rank baffoonery in Oakland.
The Raider offense is a disgrace
JaDavis Russell’s regression has been breathtaking
We rely on Fargas on the ground and guys named Gradkowski and Charlie Frye..
And you wonder why this team can’t score….
Oh, DHB is our number 1 receiver according to Tom Cable.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
In the last game of the year I saw that from Jamarcus. Split two defenders, i thought it was a pick. DId you see it?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Leach is a whiner, and probably a backstabber. No way Al will hire somebody like that. He already got rid of Kiffin and Lombardi.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
You get what you pay for!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
# Raider guy Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Dknoight- aL knows about hiring just some other guy. I know that for a fact. AL likes power running. He referenced that in firing Turner. He will NEVER hire leach.
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A head coach like Harbaugh would bring power running back and he would be able to develop a QB like Snead if he were to be drafted in like the 3rd Round.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Snb…Rank Boffoonery LOL
It is a sad state, and I know hope is not a plan, but it’s all we’ve got
January 10th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Raider Guy, I did. I have watched that game several times, and breathed a sigh of relief with his performance. I actually went over his LSU stats earlier.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Plus he has a history with al. I just wouldn’t be that surprised if Harbaugh is the guy.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
I think picking a bookend LT like Campbell, Williams, or Davis should be the pick at #8 currently. It will strengthen the O-Line tremendously. Move Mario to RT and with Gallery at LG and L Walker moving to RG…..the line will be more powerful. If the old man picks a LT, then he better be damn sure he has LONG arms and has good footwork and balance. Gallery has aligator short arms and I don’t know how that got passed the scouts before drafting him.
Yes, a Center is needed to compete with Satele and Morris, but picking a Center with the #8 pick is silly and stupid. Then again, this is the looney old man Al we are talking about so it is possible. LOL
Just as I feared….after seeing Cody in the title game…..I still don’t think he is worth the #8 pick overall. He has weight issues and will be a two down player in the NFL. Those two reasons mean he is not worth the #8 overall pick.
New Raider mini mock below by me that won’t happen. I kinda like this one. Especially if Jim Harbaugh is hired as Head Coach…..
Rd 1- LT Bruce Campbell, Maryland
Rd 2- DE Corey Wootton, Northwestern
Rd 3a- MLB Micah Johnson, Kentucky
Rd 3b- QB Jevan Snead, Ole Miss
Rd 4- DT Ekom Udofia, Stanford, or DT Geno Adkins, Georgia
Rd 5a- OG Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
Rd 5b- CB/KR Devin McCourty, Rutgers
January 10th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
JaMarcus seemed not to have any relationship with Cable. I believe JaMarcus turns it around this year.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
I think Jason Garrett would be another solid hire as Head Coach.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Russell did make some sweet throws in the last game. Too many errors overshadow unfortunately.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Raider Guy, I did. I have watched that game several times and breathed a sigh of relief with his performance. I actually went over his LSU stats earlier.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
We have very good receivers, Schillens and Murphy, and both will get better. The QB position obviously is a concern. We are not that far off, but we do need to make good decisions this off season
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I agree completely. I don’t see any of our current QB’s, Losman maybe, solving the QB problem. Gradkowski’s 2 bad knes don;t bode well & Frye just seems too open to injury. JaBustus, if he;s still here, is NOT the answer. So, it’s off to FA we go if we really want to solve this problem. Let’s not forget that a couple of our greatest QB’s were FA’s – Gannon & Plunkett. They did just fine during their time at the helm.
we also need to move DMac to permanent slot WR. That’s the ONLY place where he can be sucessful. If we do, I think he’ll be just as good, maybe better, than Welker. We’ve got 2 very good TE’s with great hands so our receiver corps is not all that bad. And, if BEY can develop some hands, all the better.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Rayda, that is true. But that 0-line really sucked. It gave up 49 sacks this year, notwithstanding the hurries. I am not making excuses for JaMarcus’ poor play, but there was no hope for a pocket passer behind that line.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
JB, I believe JaMarcus can improve. Go back over his stats at LSU. He was impressive and improved each year. Also, he only played 3 seasons at LSU. There is a lot of potential, hopefully JaMarcus has gotten his wild oats out.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Cap
Agreed. Russell also needs to lose 15 pounds minimum and be the mobile QB we need.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Russell did make some sweet throws in the last game. Too many errors overshadow unfortunately.
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Inexperience…
January 10th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
He does need to lose weight. What happened to the defenses in this game?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Makes our D look pretty good
January 10th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
If Russell only looses 15 pounds it will be a disappointment. He needs about 25 lbs less. and about 15 of those punds have to come off from between his ears.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
The fear and ability of a mobile QB helps the offense. When Gannon took off, he moved the chains, and it kept defenses honest, and off balance
January 10th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Raider guy Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
If Russell only looses 15 pounds it will be a disappointment. He needs about 25 lbs less. and about 15 of those punds have to come off from between his ears.
LOL
January 10th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Power running game has to be developed folks. Its easier to develop a running game.
The Raiders have rarely had an even decent passing game these last 25 years.
They simply have no clue what they are doing.
The Raiders were at their best with Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, Harvey Williams, Greg Bell, Ty Wheatley and Charlie Garner.
Get Bush 20 carries a game…with DMAC getting 10 to 15 and Fargas about 5….pound the ball, stop the run on defense, keep the score low and don’t put the game in the hands of the QB…regardless of who it is.
JaDavis failed spectacularly and Gradkowski and Frye are no real answers….just wait until DCs get the film on Gradkowski and Frye…..JaDavis’ effort is horrendous
January 10th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
I’m afraid he’s likely to gain more weight this offseason. Unless of course he’s drinking light beer in vegas.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
He’s probably drinking Alize, which is caloric nightmare!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Notice Troy Aikman’s commentary on the linebackers.
He just said “those big guys upfront keep those linebackers free to make plays behind the line of scrimmage”
Just sayin
January 10th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
JB, I believe JaMarcus can improve. Go back over his stats at LSU. He was impressive and improved each year. Also, he only played 3 seasons at LSU. There is a lot of potential, hopefully JaMarcus has gotten his wild oats out.
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He certainly can improve as he can’t get much worse. As far as making the right moves and descisions, JaBustus needs tobe less than 250# to make him more mobile. More importantly, he really needs an attitude adjustment. Perhasps the D-line should just take him out and kick his ass. Give him the message you are either in or you are out – there needs to be a 110% effort at all times and if he’s not willing to commit then hit the road. JR also needs to go back to throwing basics. He has a ton of bad habits. He relies to much on arm strength and throws off his back foot with no follow-thru all to often resulting in errant passes. He also needs to understand that where he throws ball affects his receiver’s exposure. All too often his poor accuracy exposed the WR’s to injury. I’m not a big JR fan, quite to the contrary. I’m fed up with his poor development and I do blame him for that. I suspect that AD will keep him one more year but I don’t see him starting anytime soon.
Damn, the Packers have tied this game up. Great game!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Go Jets, GB making it stinky, interesting?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Hell of a game between the redbirds and fudgepackers.
Hope you gamblers out there took the over…lol
January 10th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
SnB, I don’t believe Grads is bad as you make him out to be. I am not impressed with Charlie Frye. Charlie is too fragile, and probably Grads too.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
JB, excellent post
January 10th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I just got a shiver at the thought of McNabb on the Raiders next year. Not sure of his contract status but even if we have to trade a 2nd I think it’s worth it. I’ll tell you why (in my head) I think we could build on that and be VERY competitve in 2010.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Wow, 800+ yds of offense and still 8 minutes left.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
The Eagles said McNabb was staying
January 10th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
And why build a team with a 34 year old QB?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Reminds me of the Raiders Steelers game in 81
January 10th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
# Midwest Fan Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I just got a shiver at the thought of McNabb on the Raiders next year. Not sure of his contract status but even if we have to trade a 2nd I think it’s worth it. I’ll tell you why (in my head) I think we could build on that and be VERY competitve in 2010.
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# JB Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I don’t see AD drafting any more QB’s. He’ll feed that need via FA. And, that’s OK. I’d still like Troy Smith, RFA-Ravens. After yesterday’s games, I fully expect Donovan McNabb to become available. Donovan is the kind of player that AD likes so don’t be surprised if he shows up here. If he does, he’ll do better here than he’s done in Philly. With a decent QB, albeit a veteran on the downside, we will definitely be a playoff caliber team. If we focus the draft at O-line, D-Line & MLB, our defense could be very good if the DC has the latitude to run it the way he wants. If that happens & we have a decent QB, we should be more than competitive.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
SnB, I don’t believe Grads is bad as you make him out to be. I am not impressed with Charlie Frye. Charlie is too fragile, and probably Grads too
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All Gradkowski has proved is that he can be a reliable backup and give you a good game or two.
I have seen so many QBs have a couple of good games only to get exposed over time.
Gradkowski was cut by three teams that needed QBs…I don’t think this guy is all of a sudden transformed into this QB of the future…Not getting cut by three teams…three teams in his short career…
Gradkowski earned the right to compete…that’s it.
The Raiders need some healthy a strong competition. And JaDavis is not that competition
January 10th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Older QB’s still do have some life left in them. LOL
January 10th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Cap & money issues aside. (I think if Al is motivated, he would make it happen)
Take McNabb, Gos, & Russell are in at QB (Russell restructures)
keep same RB’s.
Draft McClain 1st rd
Draft OT 2nd pick
Draft OG 3rd pick
January 10th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
JB, I truely don’t believe 02 is out of it, he needs to grow up, he is not a Rap Star, needs to get away from his handlers. Needs to get down to football. I hope when the new contract is signed, rookie anything has a limitation of $200,000 per year for anyone, anywhere, anyplace. These new recruits havent done a thing and are commanding entry salaries higher than 10 year players that have done the job, got it done, can’t even come close to. The salaries these pimps are getting from college aged kids is repulsive! Most of them cant wipe a chalkboard.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:33 pm
And why build a team with a 34 year old QB?
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Because the Raiders have not shown a capability to develop its own QB. So you have to rely on veteran free agents and just get used to swapping out QBs every 3 or 4 years…that’s the price to pay for organizational / coaching incompetence
As for McNabb…the Raiders would be fortunate to get a guy like that. He instantly becomes one of the top 2 or 3 QBs in franchise history. He brings with him experience winning in a tough division and winning consistently for a decade. I would feel a lot better with McNabb than I would with Gradkowski or JaDavis
January 10th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
SNB, Plunkett was cut by New England and San Francisco. Some take longer before the light goes on.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
What’s the bad rap on Martz? Could be potent as o-coordinator.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
# Midwest Fan Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Cap & money issues aside. (I think if Al is motivated, he would make it happen)
Take McNabb, Gos, & Russell are in at QB (Russell restructures)
keep same RB’s.
Draft McClain 1st rd
Draft OT 2nd pick
Draft OG 3rd pick
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I like hat but I’d pick Matt Tennant, C- Boston College with the 3A pick instead of an OG. We can use Walker and Gallery as the bookend beef guards. We REALLY need a smart dominant center to pull the O-line together.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
C Black, Plunkett had a very good O-Line, we present, what?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
SnB, we need to develop a QB here who will be with us for 10 years. We have not had that since Stabler
January 10th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
# 860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
JB, I truely don’t believe 02 is out of it, he needs to grow up, he is not a Rap Star, needs to get away from his handlers. Needs to get down to football. I hope when the new contract is signed, rookie anything has a limitation of $200,000 per year for anyone, anywhere, anyplace. These new recruits havent done a thing and are commanding entry salaries higher than 10 year players that have done the job, got it done, can’t even come close to. The salaries these pimps are getting from college aged kids is repulsive! Most of them cant wipe a chalkboard.
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Couldn’t agree more. The game will be better overall for all players if this rule comes to pass. Reward for actual NFL performance rather than college spin.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
860, yep. Get JaMarcus an O-line and let’s talk afterward.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
We have a so so pass defense. That is where the emphasis has been.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
What’s the bad rap on Martz? Could be potent as o-coordinator.
It is his style. All passing and little running. QB has to wait in the pocket for a long time for the receiver to get open. That is dangerous for a QB
January 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
C Black, Stabler sat on the bench for 5 years, JR has been forced in, he is very immature….IMO
January 10th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Back in the day when the Raiders were great, they pounded the ball. Which then setup the pass.
Davis seems to forget that, with his one-track mind obsessed with verticals.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
This has turned out to be one great competitive game. 2 minute warning – play or die, this is the last hurrah this year.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Raider guy Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
We have a so so pass defense. That is where the emphasis has been.
I wonder if Chris Carr will be available this off season. He could be an inexpensive addition who could help
January 10th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Cap, I understand, but they got Marshall Faulk plenty of carries.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Snb offense… Tell me how many teams gannon was cut by before he led us to 3 divisional championships and a conference championship. kurt warner was cut and had to go to the arena fb league before he led the rams to two sbs and one with the cardinals, how many times was warren moon cut? and moons a hall of famer, and plunkett was a castoff who led us to 2 sbs so give me a break with that “hes been cut by 3 teams” crap because it doesnt mean squat. all that matters is can he play? I think gradkowski can.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Back in the day when the Raiders were great, they pounded the ball. Which then setup the pass.
Davis seems to forget that, with his one-track mind obsessed with verticals.
Not true…Lamonica was pass first always. Stabler was run first to set up the pass. Madden believed in pounding the ball down your throat.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
The prevent defense just lost another game.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Kell, we won many games by throwing deep the first pass deep from scrimmage, completely took teams out of their game, Raider football…..Love It!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
SnB, we need to develop a QB here who will be with us for 10 years. We have not had that since Stabler
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I hear what you are saying. But that QB is not going to be developed here.
I just want to see competitive football…I’ve downshifted my expectations for this franchise. I really don’t see the Raiders as capable of winning playoff games let alone Super Bowls.
Just take me back to the early 90’s where the team competed got to the 7-9 to 9-7 range and gave you something to look forward too
Get a veteran QB like McNabb or Pennington…get back to respectable and enjoy the game.
The current structure and decision making makes developing a long-term option like a matt ryan or aaron rogers…hell even JOsh Freeman…virtually impossible in Oakland
January 10th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Rayda the HC then was Vermeil. No?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
# 860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
C Black, Stabler sat on the bench for 5 years, JR has been forced in, he is very immature….IMO
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Very true. Free Agency was the one thing that really screwed up AD’s strategy. You can’t wait 5 years any longer because their contract will be up. The solution is as to the points 860 made about limiting the pay scale for rookies and not breaking the bank trying to resign someone who’s been on the bench for 5 years. If they’ve already made 35 Million where do you go from there?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Rackers sucks!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
OVERTIME!!!!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
OVERTIME!!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Zymurge Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
So I’m guessing that Raider nation is pretty bored here. Watching polarized red/blue conversations is at first amusing, and then just damn annoying.
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Like there’s anything more interesting going on with the Raiders. Tomorrow Al’s just going to shuffle one puppet coach for another.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Holy #@$! overtime!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Wow!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
lol…beat me even with more !!!!!’s
January 10th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Coin toss = winner
January 10th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
great game…but shows you how far from being good the Raiders are 8-(
January 10th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
# Dakota Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
If Al tries to “for cause” Cable though, I think we might see Sanjay Lal as our next HC because no one will touch this job….unless Al pays them up front of course.
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How can Al fire Cable for cause?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Fine with a C.
Either way, gives us a fairly solid O-line w/ backups.
Veteran QB who can still move some, running game that has power and speed (McNabb really never had that)
His posession WR in Schilens, Deep threat in Murphy, good slot b/t Higgens and DMC. DHB can be used in some sets (more than most of us would like).
Defense:
DE: Ellis, M. Shaun, using Scott, Seymore & Rich
DT: still need some help, use Seymore a lot here
LB: Howard, McClain, Morrison – Maybe we can retain Kirk & Howard
Still need another CB IMO.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
TAILS NEVER FAILS!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
Leach is a whiner, and probably a backstabber.
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Good. Al backstabbers = wins. See Gruden. I say hire him, in that case.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Alex Mack instead of DHB last year would have been so much of an improvement it is MADDENing
January 10th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Back in the day when the Raiders were great, they pounded the ball. Which then setup the pass.
Davis seems to forget that, with his one-track mind obsessed with verticals.
Not true…Lamonica was pass first always. Stabler was run first to set up the pass. Madden believed in pounding the ball down your throat.
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Madden was an old O-line man is his day. Let hear it for Pete Banazak, Hewrit Dixon, Charlie Smith, Kenny King, Mark Van Eagan, to mention a few.
January 10th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
SnB, teams don’t have the time to develope anyone, with the sba”s that they have to deal with. Does JR deserve 66 mill for what he has put on the table?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Great, I stop by to check on the blog dorks and KrappyKell and Captain BlackTurd are engaged in a heated battle of the half wits.
I’m telling you fools, if you don’t shape up over the next 5 months, you will NOT be considered for my Super Awesome Baja Surf Experience.
That means no tasty babes, cold bro down beers or the chance to see Brian the Genital get abused in the bathroom of Papas and Beeer by a Mexican drug cartel.
I’ll be keeping my eye on you two losers!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Cap, wasn’t he HC after Vermeil and Faulk still playing?
January 10th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Back in the day when the Raiders were great, they pounded the ball. Which then setup the pass.
Davis seems to forget that, with his one-track mind obsessed with verticals.
Not true…Lamonica was pass first always. Stabler was run first to set up the pass. Madden believed in pounding the ball down your throat.
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Captain Black,
You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. I was there.
Hewritt Dixon made the Pro=bowl in 67′ 68′ 70.
Marv Hubbard made the Pro-Bowl in 70′ 71′ 72′
January 10th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
I have a couple of friends that are GB fans. They ain’t answering their phones….lol..
January 10th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Unbelievable! Rackers choked it!
January 10th, 2010 at 4:59 pm
Rogers is dreweling over the cards defense
January 10th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
I can’t believe this game. I turned it off earlier thinking it was an Arizona blowout.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
WTF
January 10th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Time to take the agents out of it, production produces what you are actually paid. I only wish I could command my paycheck, never doing anything to support it, and sitting pine? Sign me up!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
can’t believe they let Berry’s head-shot on Rodgers go after the one they called on GB
January 10th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
WOW!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
Az won!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:01 pm
That’s no way to lose.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Tuck rule? lol
January 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
My prediction, Woodson will make the difference on this game. Actually, he just did – called the con flip correctly. Arizona may not see he ball again.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
SnB sayz:
> Because the Raiders have not shown a capability to develop its own QB
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I started thinking about when was the last time that the Raiders have “developed” a solid QB that they drafted. I actually couldn’t come up with one since Ken Stabler in 1968 — 41 drafts ago!!! I can only thing of a single QB that the Raiders drafted since that period that went onto any modicum of success with another team: Steve Beuerlein.
So maybe it was written in the cards to not go QB at all in the first round. Nor to try again in the future. Let’s go FA vet please . . . just not McNabb.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
So the Black militia resides outside the U.S.?
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yup! black militia hold the raider fort here in the oldest monarchy of all, known as Denmark, the land of the original raiders…
though of late we really have become demoralized by all the ridiculous moves made by the organization..
January 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
SnB, teams don’t have the time to develope anyone, with the sba”s that they have to deal with. Does JR deserve 66 mill for what he has put on the table?
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Well, then don’t draft someone in the 1st round that you don’t think has what it takes to be the guy within 3 to 5 years. No one forced Al Davis to draft a kid who apparently can’t read defenses and has bad work habits. You don’t pay people like that that aren’t ready to put in the work….but with Al Davis..you know he doesn’t care about stuff like work ethic and chemistry…so we end up with JaDavis
JaDavis regressed so badly that he is worse than he was his rookie year.
You need good scouting, good coaching, and good support. The Raiders have none of the above…hence JaDavis and every other QB they’ve drafted over the decades have mostly been abject failures (excepting for Stabler)
January 10th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
That wasn’t a tuck was it?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Tuck rule? lol
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never see that call again unless the Raiders are involved
January 10th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Rodgers tried to kick the ball and kicked it right into Dansby’s hands. Shades of Divac swatting that ball to Horry.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
what makes a believer in bruce is how he has the faith of his recievers, te, o line and defense. He doesnt have the aura of a back up, hes a leader and i think hes coming into his own as a qb in this point of his career like a gannon or warner. But what im most mad about is how davis refused to listen to kiffin. kiffin wanted to trade moss for rodgers and pick calvin johnson but he was so sold on jawalrus.smh We had our best draft under kiffin as well.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
That was a lights out throw. Too bad he was off a bit.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
1970 Raiders #7 in Rushing
1971 Raiders #8 in Rushing
1972 Raiders #3 in Rushing
January 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
Daryle Lamonica 220 425 51.8 3228 7.60 30 20 80.8
Clem Daniels 1 1 100.0 28 28.00 0 0 118.8
George Blanda 15 38 39.5 285 7.50 3 3 59.6
Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Clem Daniels 130 575 4.4 4
Hewritt Dixon 153 559 3.7 5
Pete Banaszak 68 376 5.5 1
Roger Hagberg 44 146 3.3 2
Larry Todd 29 116 4.0 2
Daryle Lamonica 22 110 5.0 4
Estes Banks 10 26 2.6 0
Rod Sherman 1 13 13.0 1
Warren Wells 1 7 7.0 0
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Hewritt Dixon 59 563 9.5 2
Fred Biletnikoff 40 876 21.9 5
Bill Miller 38 537 14.1 6
Billy Cannon 32 629 19.7 10
Clem Daniels 16 222 13.9 2
Pete Banaszak 16 192 12.0 1
Warren Wells 13 302 23.2 6
Roger Hagberg 11 114 10.4 1
Rod Sherman 5 61 12.2 0
Larry Todd 4 42 10.5 0
Dave Kocourek 1 4 4.0 0
Ken Herock 1 -1 -1.0 0
January 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
That was 1967
January 10th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
It wasn’t a throw. It was a kick. Watch the replay. Rodgers tried to Dave Casper that fugger.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
1970 Raiders #7 in Rushing
1971 Raiders #8 in Rushing
1972 Raiders #3 in Rushing
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wonder how many more times we’ll see this post?
I’ll take umpteen in the pool
January 10th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Rogers is a really excellent QB. Too bad he’s not on our team.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Statistically, the Raiders were a passing team.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
bumblin fumblin stumblin
January 10th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
It wasn’t a throw. It was a kick. Watch the replay. Rodgers tried to Dave Casper that fugger.
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think he was referring to the earlier missed pass to Jennings about 2 plays previous
January 10th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
JB, and Plunkett, the man played every game hurt, but was so dedicated to Raider football, just like Todd, and they are bypassed? Go figure…..
January 10th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Who was the HC in 1970 KK? Thanks KK, you proved my point.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
1968 Oakland Raiders Stats
Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
Daryle Lamonica 206 416 49.5 3245 7.80 25 15 80.9
George Blanda 30 49 61.2 522 10.65 6 2 120.1
Cotton Davidson 1 2 50.0 4 2.00 0 0 56.3
Pete Banaszak 0 1 0.0 0 0.00 0 1 0.0
Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Hewritt Dixon 206 865 4.2 2
Charlie Smith 95 504 5.3 5
Pete Banaszak 91 362 4.0 4
Roger Hagberg 39 164 4.2 1
Daryle Lamonica 19 98 5.2 1
Larry Todd 13 89 6.8 2
Mike Eischeid 2 41 20.5 0
Warren Wells 2 38 19.0 1
Preston Ridlehuber 4 7 1.8 0
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Fred Biletnikoff 61 1037 17.0 6
Warren Wells 53 1137 21.5 11
Hewritt Dixon 38 360 9.5 2
Billy Cannon 23 360 15.7 6
Charlie Smith 22 321 14.6 2
Pete Banaszak 15 182 12.1 1
Bill Miller 9 176 19.6 1
Roger Hagberg 8 78 9.8 1
Larry Todd 4 40 10.0 0
Dave Kocourek 3 46 15.3 1
Eldridge Dickey 1 34 34.0 0
January 10th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Again, Crazy Kelvin, a passing team. And do not address me again. You sicken me!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Obviously I hit that enter a little too quickly. LOL. Rogers only problem is that he holds onto the ball too long. It cost him that time. But I guess I was also right – the AZ Cardinals never saw the ball offensively again.LOL. Prediction: Cards vs. Saints = Saints vs. Colts for the NFC Championships.
GREAT GAME!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
never knew Billy Cannon played for the Raiders
January 10th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Tom Cables Hand
Gradkowski is as unknown as anyone on this roster…2 games don’t mean jack. He earned the right to compete…that’s it! Nothing more.
All those journeyman veteran made good that you mentioned (Moon, Plunkett, Gannon etc…) were never given the job because of 2 decent games.
Give Gradkowski real competition, and not JaDavis…JaDavis is the worst QB in the history of football….no way you go into 2010 with a 3x cut 3rd string QB as your starter without a fight for the job.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
1969 Oakland Raiders Stats
Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
Daryle Lamonica 221 426 51.9 3302 7.75 34 25 79.8
George Blanda 6 13 46.2 73 5.62 2 1 71.5
Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Charlie Smith 177 600 3.4 2
Hewritt Dixon 107 398 3.7 0
Pete Banaszak 88 377 4.3 0
Larry Todd 47 198 4.2 1
Marv Hubbard 21 119 5.7 0
Daryle Lamonica 13 36 2.8 1
Warren Wells 3 24 8.0 0
Mike Eischeid 1 10 10.0 0
Roger Hagberg 1 3 3.0 0
George Blanda 1 0 0.0 0
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Fred Biletnikoff 54 837 15.5 12
Warren Wells 47 1260 26.8 14
Hewritt Dixon 33 275 8.3 1
Charlie Smith 30 322 10.7 2
Billy Cannon 21 26 1.2 2
Pete Banaszak 17 119 7.0 3
Larry Todd 16 149 9.3 1
Roger Hagberg 6 84 14.0 1
Marv Hubbard 2 30 15.0 0
Drew Buie 1 37 37.0 0
January 10th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
1976 Oakland Raiders Stats
Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
Ken Stabler 194 291 66.7 2737 9.41 27 17 103.4
Mike Rae 35 65 53.8 417 6.42 6 1 98.0
David Humm 3 5 60.0 41 8.20 0 0 86.3
Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Mark van Eeghen 233 1012 4.3 3
Clarence Davis 114 516 4.5 3
Pete Banaszak 114 370 3.2 5
Marv Hubbard 60 294 4.9 2
Carl Garrett 48 220 4.6 1
Hubert Ginn 10 53 5.3 0
Mike Rae 10 37 3.7 1
Terry Kunz 4 33 8.3 0
Rick Jennings 10 22 2.2 0
Cliff Branch 3 12 4.0 0
Dave Casper 1 5 5.0 0
Morris Bradshaw 1 4 4.0 0
Warren Bankston 1 3 3.0 0
Ray Guy 1 0 0.0 0
Ken Stabler 7 -2 -0.3 1
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Dave Casper 53 691 13.0 10
Cliff Branch 46 1111 24.2 12
Fred Biletnikoff 43 551 12.8 7
Clarence Davis 27 191 7.1 0
Mark van Eeghen 17 173 10.2 0
Pete Banaszak 15 74 4.9 0
Mike Siani 11 173 15.7 2
Carl Garrett 9 108 12.0 0
Marv Hubbard 7 81 11.6 0
Warren Bankston 5 73 14.6 1
Ted Kwalick 4 15 3.8 0
Morris Bradshaw 1 25 25.0 1
Rick Jennings 1 10 10.0 0
January 10th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Most combined points history. Dang
January 10th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Now look at all the running in 1976
January 10th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Kell, your stats never get old. What does get old is Davis’s management of this team. Kell doesn’t bother me at all. But of course, we’re the same person, too. Just like we’re also Richochet, Warren Sapp, Rich Gannon, Marcus Allen, and Anne Killion. Tonight we’re going to transform into Tiger Woods. I for one can’t wait.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Looked like a tuck to me
Negra
You are a hell of a photographer.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Back in the day when the Raiders were great, they pounded the ball, which setup the pass.
1970 Raiders #7 in Rushing
1971 Raiders #8 in Rushing
1972 Raiders #3 in Rushing
Hewritt Dixon made the Pro=bowl in 67′ 68′ 70.
Marv Hubbard made the Pro-Bowl in 70′ 71′ 72′
January 10th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
CB, show Todds stats, and the film to back them up! He was relentless, even injured.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
KoolKell,
Those stats highlight why the Raiders were successful
Tom Cable is a pass happy coach that doesn’t respect the running game unless its his boy Fargas
January 10th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
CB, show Todds stats, and the film to back them up! He was relentless, even injured.
Whose?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Todd C’s?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
oPPSSS
January 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Cable doesn’t run because it’s shows how weak his o-line is = his fault.
If he runs ridiculous pass plays with 2 rookies and Russell = their fault
January 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Kell, we always ran the ball to set up the deep pass, or used short passing to set it up. These Davis apologist morons have bought into the myth that we once had an offense that went out and set up with the deep ball. It never happened.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
1984 Los Angeles Raiders Stats
Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
Jim Plunkett 230 379 60.7 2935 7.74 20 18 82.7
Marc Wilson 153 282 54.3 2151 7.63 15 17 71.7
Marcus Allen 1 4 25.0 38 9.50 0 0 66.7
David Humm 4 7 57.1 56 8.00 0 1 43.5
Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Marcus Allen 275 1168 4.2 13
Frank Hawkins 108 376 3.5 3
Kenny King 67 254 3.8 0
Marc Wilson 30 56 1.9 1
Derrick Jensen 3 31 10.3 1
Jim Plunkett 16 14 0.9 1
David Humm 2 7 3.5 0
Chester Willis 5 4 0.8 0
Joe McCall 1 3 3.0 0
Cleo Montgomery 1 1 1.0 0
Greg Pruitt 8 0 0.0 0
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Todd Christensen 80 1007 12.6 7
Marcus Allen 64 758 11.8 5
Malcolm Barnwell 45 851 18.9 2
Cliff Branch 27 401 14.9 0
Dokie Williams 22 509 23.1 4
Kenny King 14 99 7.1 0
Frank Hawkins 7 51 7.3 0
Dave Casper 4 29 7.3 2
Greg Pruitt 2 12 6.0 0
Derrick Jensen 1 1 1.0 1
January 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Tom Cable is a pass happy coach that doesn’t respect the running game unless its his boy Fargas
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Tom Cable is a Davis puppet. He throws the ball because he knows that’s what Davis wants. When did you become a fan of this team, like a week ago?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
1985 Los Angeles Raiders Stats
Passing Comp Att Comp % Yds Y/Att TD Int Rating
Jim Plunkett 71 103 68.9 803 7.80 3 3 89.6
Marc Wilson 193 388 49.7 2608 6.72 16 21 62.7
Marcus Allen 1 2 50.0 16 8.00 0 0 77.1
Rusty Hilger 4 13 30.8 54 4.15 1 0 70.7
Rushing Rush Yds Avg TD
Marcus Allen 380 1759 4.6 11
Frank Hawkins 84 269 3.2 4
Marc Wilson 24 98 4.1 2
Kenny King 16 67 4.2 0
Derrick Jensen 16 35 2.2 0
Jessie Hester 1 13 13.0 1
Jim Plunkett 5 12 2.4 0
Rusty Hilger 3 8 2.7 0
Steve Strachan 2 1 0.5 0
Ray Guy 1 0 0.0 0
Receiving Rec Yds Avg TD
Todd Christensen 82 987 12.0 6
Marcus Allen 67 555 8.3 3
Dokie Williams 48 925 19.3 5
Jessie Hester 32 665 20.8 4
Frank Hawkins 27 174 6.4 0
Tim Moffett 5 90 18.0 0
Kenny King 3 49 16.3 0
Jim Smith 3 28 9.3 1
Trey Junkin 2 8 4
January 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
at least one of this weekends games was competitive
January 10th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Coaches that run the ball don’t last long around here. Ask Gruden and Kiffin. Ask Shannahan.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Do you remember Todd Christensen? Greatest TE of the Raiders organization? Played injured, allways got it done, the man to go to? Should be HOF now!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Most of these new Raider fans don’t know anything but hype.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
No coaches (of any kind) last long around here.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Coach Davis has been here since ‘63
January 10th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Unfortunatally, fan since 64! Lived it!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Warner
29-33
379 yds
5 td’s
Damn
January 10th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Al is the HC, OC, and DC. Everybody else is an “assistant”.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Good one Random, I forgot
January 10th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I bet you were slurpin’ and burpin’ from your momma’s tyt when Jimmy was president.
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I was. But I can read, and learn about past presidents and past political climates. Reading is that thing you see smart people doing. It’s kind of like when you look at pictures in your gun magazines, but it’s those small little characters on the rest of the page. Maybe one day someone will teach you.
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Then the dingleberry posts this:The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Kell, we always ran the ball to set up the deep pass, or used short passing to set it up. These Davis apologist morons have bought into the myth that we once had an offense that went out and set up with the deep ball. It never happened.
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Madden Raider is a liar
January 10th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
# Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
No coaches (of any kind) last long around here.
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As of recent, the ones who play ball with Al last a little longer. Kiffin was here just over one year. He liked to run the football. You do things Al’s way, you get two years. You try to change things around here, and you’re gone in one.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Then the idiot contradicts himself with this:The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Tom Cable is a pass happy coach that doesn’t respect the running game unless its his boy Fargas
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Tom Cable is a Davis puppet. He throws the ball because he knows that’s what Davis wants. When did you become a fan of this team, like a week ago?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Lamonica and Pastorini drew the fans…the running game won the Super Bowls.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
I’m going with the Jets nexed week, Vegas, whats the line?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
How am I a liar, Captain Black? I know about the Raiders’ offenses of the past from reading, too. I’ve read Slick, Madden’s books, Stabler’s books, watched plenty of NFL films features on the Raiders. I didn’t have to be alive in the ’60s to know that the Raiders did not set up their offenses with the deep pass then. They didn’t. And, they never have, ever.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Pastorini drew the fans??? They cheered when he broke his leg
January 10th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
I just don’t see another successful coach here unless there is someone in Al’s “inner circle” that I’m not aware of.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Captain Black, are you high right now? Where do I contradict myself about Cable and Davis? couldn’t find it. Just like I can’t find any sign of intelligence in your comments today.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RDT, the LINES won all our SB games, funny how the front office doesnt see this?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Pastorini sucked here
January 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
I think the Lamonica era, they did set up the run with the pass (threat).
January 10th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Pastorini didn’t pan out…but the long ball draws the casual fans to watch for it, like a long drive in golf. Put you have to be able to putt to win it all.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
You would have to be intelligent enough to recognize them, liar
January 10th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Al’s inner circle? You have better odds of finding a successful coach at a graveyard. Looking for a successful coach in Al’s inner circle, or anyone who knows anything about football, for that matter, is like looking for a midget in an NBA locker room.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
I think the Lamonica era, they did set up the run with the pass (threat).
That is correct, not the other way around
January 10th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Madden would qualify but, need I say more.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Captain Black, there is no contradiction in my points about Cable and Davis, nor my points about my age and my knowledge of the Raiders offense in the ’60s. And that’s why you can’t point them out. You’re flinging dung at a wall right now to see what will stick, probably because to try and salvage the beat down you took from me in that political discussion earlier today, and it’s not working. Stick to what you know..well, you really don’t know anything, I guess. So just keep spouting off like a retard.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Al loves the long ball. Only he would trade Stabler for Lamonica and keep Marc Wilson for what, 6 years.
For his next trick, he will keep Russell for at least 6 years.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Raiders have always had that threat, with the means to back it up, hense the .40 times, long knowledge
January 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Madden’s in Al’s inner circle? Madden rarely talks to Al, Rayda. Would you get real?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
*Stabler for Pastorini*
January 10th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RDT, it’s like I’ve been saying all year. Russell’s not going anywhere. I said a few weeks ago when the Grad/Russell debate was on fire in here, that Russell’s staying, Cable’s going. Tomorrow it looks like I’ll be proven right.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
# 860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Do you remember Todd Christensen? Greatest TE of the Raiders organization? Played injured, allways got it done, the man to go to? Should be HOF now!
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I was there and saw all the games in the 60’s, 70’s up until they moved to LA. He wasn’t as flashy as Raymond Chester and David Casper but he was in my opinion, the absolute best TE with the best hands that the Raiders ever had. Yes, he should be in HOF. So should Cliff Branch.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Madden ran a ball control offense, which conflicted with Al’s philosophy of going verticle. Al forced Madden out in 1979
January 10th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Madden frequently talks to Al and is at the games. To suggest that they are not close is nonsense.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Casper to me was the best Raiders TE
January 10th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Madden ran a ball control offense, which conflicted with Al’s philosophy of going verticle. Al forced Madden out in 1979
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FINALLY, HE SAYS SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE!!!
Sound the alarms and drop the confetti!
It’s almost like we’ve taken the training wheels off, and let you ride. Look at you go. Now, stick with this train of thought. Don’t start going into retard mode again, where you defend Al Davis and Republicans.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Pastorinin was three years younger than Stabler, and the organization believed Stabler was nearly out of gas.
Stabler should be in the HOF.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RDT, it’s like I’ve been saying all year. Russell’s not going anywhere. I said a few weeks ago when the Grad/Russell debate was on fire in here, that Russell’s staying, Cable’s going. Tomorrow it looks like I’ll be proven right.
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Unfortunately you are probably correct about Russell, but that doesn’t mean I support Grad’s or Frye as our QB. I’d rather go with Losman (if anyone on the roster).
However, you may be wrong about Cable…he seems to do whatever Al wants in order to keep his job. Just what Al likes in his Coaching assistants.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Madden frequently talks to Al and is at the games.
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Once a year, tops. That is not “frequently”. Are you like Ghost to the Post? Do you have your own reality?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Oakland Raiders Daryl Lamomica QB
1969 439 Pass Attempts, 459 Rush Attempts,
1970 418 Pass Attempts, 471 Rush Attempts.
1971 348 Pass Attempts, 473 Rush Attempts.
That’s why I post stats. I don’t just talk shyt.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
RDT, Al doesn’t reward his coaches for loyalty. He only punishes them for being disloyal. Loyal Head coaches get two years. Cable’s number’s up. Time for the next puppet.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Stabler was fun to watch. He almost always got it done. I wished however, he would have taken better care of himself when he played.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Stabler was fun to watch. He almost always got it done. I wished however, he would have taken better care of himself when he played.
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Here we go. You’re slipping back into it. Working your way toward blaming Stabler for getting dealt off for Dan Pastorini. Do yourself a favor and look at Stabler’s stats after leaving Oakland. He was far from finished.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Knowing Al as we all do…if the Draft was tomorrow, who would he take?
I will go with Arenas from Alabama.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Agree JB, that was when men were Raiders, not posters, gold enclad, Tattoo embossed, non performers, were introduced to our organization, now we live with them, how do we get real Footballers?
January 10th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Madden, you are a bit sensitive to be upset over the notion of such a thing. It has been well documented that they are close friends. Who knows for sure how many times/yr, but their close friendship is well documented and even madden said that al is a person he could call at any time if he ever needed anything.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
He won’t take any LB or DL that can stop the run, that we know. Whoever he take will have only half as much football ability as their athletic ability, too. So start with those guidelines.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
LOL. Now I’m “upset”. You guys are so desperate to win an argument today, aren’t you? I know it must be debilitating, the way I’ve been smacking you around all day. But your game won’t work. I’m bigger than it. I’m bigger than you. That being said, Madden only visits Davis once a year, tops. Madden pays respect to Davis because obviously Davis gave him his first real NFL job. But that’s it. Madden has nothing to do with this organization. Madden jumped at the opportunity to work for the league, so he’s not retired. The Raiders could really use him right now. So do the math. He wasn’t interested. If he was Al’s friend, he’d help him out right now. Madden probably believes Al’s getting what he deserves.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Madden is too “savvy” to get caught up in being friends with Al Davis.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Patriots lose big at home in the playoffs.
I’m as happy as a little girl!
January 10th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Stabler was fun to watch. He almost always got it done. I wished however, he would have taken better care of himself when he played.
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Different time, different players. Most of the early Raiders were real schit disturbers. More than half could be considered 5150. Freddy B smoked like a chimney. Alzedo was on the juice, many drank and smoked heavily, and I’m sure quite a few were using various pharmacy concoctions. Somehow I don’t think you’d find that kind of physical abuse in today’s athlete. Our guys enjoyed partying and Stabler was always right in the middle of everything. Work hard, play hard. It worked for them.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
And you said Madden’s in Al’s “inner circle”, which is hilarious! Glad to see you’ve back pedaled from that, finally. Now you’re splitting hairs over how little Madden visits him. You do agree now that Madden is not in his “inner circle”. Al’s inner circle is John Herrera and Amy Trask. If you can find a decent head coach in that inner circle, you can probably find a snowflake in hell.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Agree JB, that was when men were Raiders, not posters, gold enclad, Tattoo embossed, non performers, were introduced to our organization, now we live with them, how do we get real Footballers?
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All 32 NFL teams have to deal with the challenges of the modern athlete. You have to adjust…all endeavors of life people and organizations have to adjust.
FAct is, Davis refuses to adjust to the times…hires puppet coaches, drafts players with great measurables and nothing else…
He doesn’t change and as a result we get to watch terrible, terrible terrible football…Some of the worst in NFL history
January 10th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Matuszak said in a book that when they were on the road they would go out at night and “wreck towns”.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Savvy has nothing to do with it, RDT. You make it sound like it’s shady that Madden’s avoiding Al. What’s wrong with avoiding bad people who make your life miserable? Madden’s avoiding Al because he simply wants nothing to do with him, which is his human right. Savvy has nothing to do with it.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
JB Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
# CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Stabler was fun to watch. He almost always got it done. I wished however, he would have taken better care of himself when he played.
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Different time, different players. Most of the early Raiders were real schit disturbers. More than half could be considered 5150. Freddy B smoked like a chimney. Alzedo was on the juice, many drank and smoked heavily, and I’m sure quite a few were using various pharmacy concoctions. Somehow I don’t think you’d find that kind of physical abuse in today’s athlete. Our guys enjoyed partying and Stabler was always right in the middle of everything. Work hard, play hard. It worked for them.
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That is correct
January 10th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Madden knows how to manage his public image…he says good things about Al and the Raiders, has Al induct him into the Hall of Fame, but draws the line there. He knows where further involvement would lead. He was there before and left.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Knowing Al as we all do…if the Draft was tomorrow, who would he take?
I will go with Arenas from Alabama.
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Agreed! It will be a cornerback this year. And the run defense will continue to be abject rubbish…the O-Line undermanned and the record well below .500
January 10th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Agree JB, that was when men were Raiders, not posters, gold enclad, Tattoo embossed, non performers, were introduced to our organization, now we live with them, how do we get real Footballers?
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All 32 NFL teams have to deal with the challenges of the modern athlete. You have to adjust…all endeavors of life people and organizations have to adjust.
FAct is, Davis refuses to adjust to the times…hires puppet coaches, drafts players with great measurables and nothing else…
He doesn’t change and as a result we get to watch terrible, terrible terrible football…Some of the worst in NFL history
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I believe Al knows he’s got to get it right this time and select a quality HC. This is an important off season and I believe he knows he has to make a big splash.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
JB, that was the Raider and every teams Phil back then, dont’t go 35 years back enless you lived there.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
http://sdg.scout.com/a.z?s=102&p=2&c=553442
Madden HOF induction speech excerpt:
“To have Al Davis here is something special. I mean, if it weren’t for Al, I wouldn’t be here. He was a guy that gave me an opportunity. He was a guy that hired me 40 years ago, brought me into pro football. He was a guy that made me a head coach when I was 32 years old. I had two years of pro-coaching experience.
Who the heck names a guy 32 years old as a head coach? Al Davis did. But he not only named me head coach, he stood behind me and he helped me and he provided me with players, with great players. As he was saying, nine of the players are in the Hall of Fame. I mean, those are the types of players that he provided me with.
He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. AL DAVIS IS A FRIEND, ALWAYS HAS BEEN A FRIEND. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.
All these years later, I got an opportunity, I got voted into the Hall of Fame, I had a phone call to make for a presenter, and I called Al Davis
January 10th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
I kind of like the pick, already knowing that it won’t be a DT, LB, or Oline. My expectations are properly set after all these years.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
The Raiders were unique in the ’70s because they basically rounded up all of the guys in the league who liked to party, but were also real football players. Everyone in the ’70s drank and smoked a little herb. It was the ’70s. That’s what Americans did, and they were much cooler about it then than they are today. It was more about having fun then. Today it’s more about showing off and making others miserable. Every one of those guys on the ’70s Raiders were pretty decent people. Talk to anyone who met any of them. Todays’ players are a holes. Only a few people are like that these days. People that get after it on the party scene, yet treat most people with respect, while they’re at it. A dying breed. The Reagan era killed that culture. became more about outdoing your fellow man. Wall street culture. If you’re not rich, you’re nobody. We’ve sort of been there since, only showing glimpses of the good old days.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Careful MR, you almost sound…Canadian
January 10th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
# 860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
JB, that was the Raider and every teams Phil back then, dont’t go 35 years back enless you lived there.
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I was a season ticket holder beginning in 1964 and remained so until they left for LA. I was there, I did se the games, I did se them at camp every now & then. I’m fortunate in that I got to see the Real early Raiders when the were a force to be dealt with – Not like they are today.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Look, in the 60’s 70’s playing football was a part-time job. Guys had jobs in the off-season.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Reagan era brought back hope and optimism to america. Only thing he killed was a disfunctional carter administration.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Rayda, speeches are about as truthful as commercials. I don’t care what Madden said in his speech, he wants nothing to do with Davis at the end of the day. Speeches are formalities. Do you like every single person you’ve shaken hands with? It’s a formality. If you dont’ do it, it’s hostile. What’s Madden supposed to say? “No, Al, I wont’ speak at your induction”. This is what the Raiders do. Invite people to speak at functions, then use their formal, b.s. speeches as some kind of evidence that that person endorses them.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
RDT <===== going through Sunday Night Football withdrawal
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
JB, during the 60s, run first or pass first offense?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Reagan era brought back hope and optimism to america.
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You’re nuts.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Run first was my recollection followed by a long bomb.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Reagan era brought back hope and optimism to america. Only thing he killed was a disfunctional carter administration.
MaddenRaider was not even a teen then, but he’s going to tell us how it was. Lol
January 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Reagan era brought back hostages from Iran….the end.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
SNB, Truth be told, all in all, we have a very good, young team, that can be factor in this league for years. It seams you do not agree with this team, I love it’s youth and exubernence. Do we have a chance next year? You bet, I’ll never count my Raiders out!
January 10th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Reagan started a culture in Wall Street that would eventually bring the doom we saw in mid 2008, and that we’re still suffering from today. Reagan was also a puppet for some of the most evil people the CIA and our military have ever employed. H.W. Bush and Oliver North played Reagan like the 70 year old drooling windbag he was.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Madden, what documented proof (speeches or otherwise) do you have to the contrary about their relationship?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
JB, during the 60s, run first or pass first offense?
474.The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Reagan era brought back hope and optimism to america.
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You’re nuts.
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Then the psycho calls you a name when he disagrees with your view. So much for tolerance…
January 10th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
What I really do remember clearly is that our lines, both O & D were a real force. Stabler could sit back and look for 10 seconds or longer. When they ran it was usually over Shell & Upshaw althouh we also always had great ORT’s ORG’s & the same centers for long periods of time.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
What documented proof do you have that Davis and Madden are friends? you’re the one using some stupid formal speech as evidence that they’re chums. I have no proof, neither do you. So we’re both at the mercy of common sense. Commons sense tells me that the Raiders are in the worst crisis since their inception right now, and Madden, who retired from broadcasting and was free to help Al out, instead took a job with the league, who are also Al’s enemies, in case you forgot. Neither of us can prove out point, but since you obviously have your head up your ass, I win the argument by default.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Captain Black, when did I ever say I was tolerant?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
JB Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
What I really do remember clearly is that our lines, both O & D were a real force. Stabler could sit back and look for 10 seconds or longer. When they ran it was usually over Shell & Upshaw althouh we also always had great ORT’s ORG’s & the same centers for long periods of time.
The o-line in the 70s was stronger than in the 60s. But the d-line was better in the 60s than in the 70s
January 10th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Captain Black, when did I ever say I was tolerant?
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Well I remember you saying you sucked calk, so yeah, maybe you didn’t.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Madden, common sense would tell you that they are still friends. Inner circle is open to interpretation. There are numerous unsolicited accounts of madden speaking favorably of al. Regardless, the problem with common sense is that it’s not too common in your case. Not many would take your position on this argument, so without evidence, you lose.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Captain Black, when did I ever say I was tolerant?
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MR would only say that if someone said he was “intolerant”….and vice versa.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
CaptainBlack Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Captain Black, when did I ever say I was tolerant?
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Well I remember you saying you sucked calk, so yeah, maybe you didn’t.
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That is right, just a calk sucker
January 10th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Captain Black, we had a roster full of football players in those days.
Triva: How many Al Davis scholarships, with speed and jumping strength, yet little football skill, were we saddled with then? Ron Wolf filled the roster with real football players who love to get in the mud and fight while Al was dikcing around with the league. That’s all it was. We had a team full of football players, and probably had more bachelors than the rest of the league which brought on the reputation for partying and carousing. At the end of the day, they were just good football players.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Later guys – Good memories & discussion for the most part.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Captain Black, when did I ever say I was tolerant?
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MR would only say that if someone said he was “intolerant”….and vice versa.
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It’s called mental illness, or liberalism
January 10th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Captain Black, I’ve never sucked “calk”, or anything, for that matter, other than a bong and a nipple. And i’m not tolerant. I hate idiots like you, and have no tolerance for you.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
If truth be told, a large percentage of Raider Nation is more likely fans of those old Raider players than they are of the Organization and/or it’s owner.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Captain Black, we had a roster full of football players in those days.
Triva: How many Al Davis scholarships, with speed and jumping strength, yet little football skill, were we saddled with then? Ron Wolf filled the roster with real football players who love to get in the mud and fight while Al was dikcing around with the league. That’s all it was. We had a team full of football players, and probably had more bachelors than the rest of the league which brought on the reputation for partying and carousing. At the end of the day, they were just good football players.
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Can’t argue with this. Seems like you are right on point.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Madden, common sense would tell you that they are still friends.
………..
If they were real friends he’d be helping his old friend get out of this rut. Friends dont’ let friends die the way Davis is dying right now. Madden would be doing everything he could. He would go public to offer his help. Considering that, Gannon likes Al Davis more than Madden does. LOL.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
MR, you are a bore. Later, caulk sucker
January 10th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
I remember Otto getting off the bus, Real Raiders getting off the bus, so does AL………
January 10th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Back in the day when the Raiders were great, they pounded the ball, which setup the pass.
1970 Raiders #7 in Rushing
1971 Raiders #8 in Rushing
1972 Raiders #3 in Rushing
Hewritt Dixon made the Pro=bowl in 67′ 68′ 70.
Marv Hubbard made the Pro-Bowl in 70′ 71′ 72′
Oakland Raiders Daryl Lamomica QB
1968 468 Pass Attempts, 471 Rush Attempts
1969 439 Pass Attempts, 459 Rush Attempts,
1970 418 Pass Attempts, 471 Rush Attempts.
1971 348 Pass Attempts, 473 Rush Attempts.
They were a pass first team when Davis was Coach 63-65′ but they were not great then.
That’s why I post stats. I don’t just talk shyt.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Captain Black, I’ve never sucked “calk”, or anything, for that matter, other than a bong and a nipple. And i’m not tolerant. I hate idiots like you, and have no tolerance for you
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And the feeling is mutual.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
With the #8 pick of the 2010 NFL Draft the Al Davis’s take
CB – Javier Arenas of the College Champion Alabama Crimson Tide.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Ha ha, I’m a bore! This guy’s been responding to my comments all day long, now he’s saying I’m boring! And, you’re a caulk sucker. So are both of your dads.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Look it up
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/
January 10th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Madden
That was the mistake that Gannon made, he went public. You know Al isn’t going to stand for someone suggesting that he needs help. It would not surprise me if Madden is helping Al, privately. He certainly spends a lot of time at the ballgames.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
SNB, Truth be told, all in all, we have a very good, young team, that can be factor in this league for years. It seams you do not agree with this team, I love it’s youth and exubernence. Do we have a chance next year? You bet, I’ll never count my Raiders out!
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Have a some good players in spots does not make a team Most of the youth is unproven.
The team gets run out of the house on the ground every week….the O-Line was losing QBs at an ever increasing clip as the season went along.
Our “young players” don’t really have any production. I’ll give you Trevor Scott….the rest simply flashed the ability to be decent to good.
We have holes all over:
No QB
No RB (Bush doesn’t play, DMAC hasn’t done jack and Fargas is a plodding back)
No FB
WR – Schilens is real deal…Murphy flashed..but DHB is being given the job
No RT, RG, C, LG….Mario is about average
No DT(s)
No LB(s)
No NB
No KR
And FS is no sure thing with Cable starting Eugene right to the end
January 10th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
I don’t care if you hate me, Captain Black. A Republican who supports Al Davis? My god I’ll spend the rest of my life making sure idiots like you hate me, and it’ll be well spent! you’re the one who brought up this whole tolerance thing, not me. I don’t know where you were going with that.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Random, not opposed to a CB, but we have bigger needs.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Rayda, Madden attended one game this year. Get a clue. Your’e losing it.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:21 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Random, not opposed to a CB, but we have bigger needs.
——————————————————-I asked who do you think AL will pick…not what we need.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
wait a minute…I never checked his 40 time.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Al Davis will continue to draft speedy skill players.
Oh well…
Run defense is still garbage…offensive line gets the QB killed….
and with yet another top 10 pick the Raiders foolishly pick another skill guy….
sigh
January 10th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
RDT, that’s the thing. These idiots really think Al’s going to pick who we need. Then when he picks another track start who takes a hit about as well as a girl scout, they’ll make excuses for it. That’s their pattern.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
” … also a track star in the 200 and 400-meter events … ”
I’m still good.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
SNB, and Al’s followers will still blame those players, and the coaches, for the losing.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
I remember when the Toronto Argonauts tried out Lou Ferrigno back in the day.
He kept getting hurt, they said his muscles weren’t built for taking hits…same goes for track stars.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
That’s because Ferrigno’s muscles are entirely fake. Take roids out of the equation, and he looks like Mario Cantone.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
I’ll bite…who’s Mario Cantone?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Al’s 2nd round pick for the Defense?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Al will be conservative in this draft and try to make a splash with a big name free agent. Too much uncertainty with the CBA issues and the Russell disaster.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
nice b-day cake 4 howie long pre-game. anybody see?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
A gay comedian.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
I saw it…did you see Herrera come running out and smudge the icing on the Raider Logo?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Rayda, why should we listen to you? You’re just telling us what you *hope* Al Davis will do, then when he does the exact opposite, you’ll shill for it as if you were secretly hoping for that all along. Don’t you think we know how you Davis shills function?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Herrera is officially the NFL’s biggest jackass.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Herrera – is that Spanish for Henchman?
January 10th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
I love Al Davis…I’m glad that he is willing to spend money and has always tried to find the Silver n Black Bullet every year that will return the team to greatness.
However, I believe his methods have become……unsound.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
2010 Raider potential FA’s
Jon Alston* OLB RFA Raiders
Khalif Barnes* OT RFA Raiders
Ricky Brown* OLB RFA Raiders
Hiram Eugene S RFA Raiders
Charlie Frye* QB RFA Raiders
Bruce Gradkowski* QB RFA Raiders
Cornell Green OT UFA Raiders
Thomas Howard* OLB RFA Raiders
Sebastian Janikowski PK UFA Raiders
Luke Lawton FB RFA Raiders
Chris Morris C RFA Raiders
Kirk Morrison* ILB RFA Raiders
Stanford Routt* CB RFA Raiders
Gary Russell RB RFA Raiders
Richard Seymour DE UFA Raiders
Langston Walker OT UFA Raiders
Sam Williams OLB UFA Raiders
Lets hope Sam Williams is finally let go, hell, lets hope they let all but Howard go…
January 10th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Far as the LBs are concerned…
January 10th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
SnB claims:
> We have holes all over:
No QB
No RB (Bush doesn’t play, DMAC hasn’t done jack and Fargas is a plodding back)
No FB
WR – Schilens is real deal…Murphy flashed..but DHB is being given the job
No RT, RG, C, LG….Mario is about average
No DT(s)
No LB(s)
No NB
No KR
And FS is no sure thing with Cable starting Eugene right to the end
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Paints a pretty bleak picture. Explain how a team this devoid of any apparent talent managed to win 5 games and rank higher than 20% of the rest of the league in terms of end of season placement. I’d love to see you assessment of just how bad those teams must be!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. One or two weak players make everyone around them look suspect. Fix the weakest link in the chain first, observe how the others adjust to better talent, assess where the next weakest link is, upgrade it … rinse, lather, repeat.
Wholesale change, whether in fixing a struggling company, doing scientific experimentation, troubleshooting a complex problem, or improving a sports franchise, is a recipe for continued failure. You can’t tell what the cause and effect is of changing too many variables and end up throwing out the baby with the bath water. Perhaps the only thing worse than doing nothing is knee jerk reacting and changing too much, too fast.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Potential Tackle FA’s in 2010
Khalif Barnes* RFA Raiders
Alex Barron* RFA Rams
Kevin Boothe* RFA Giants
Jammal Brown* RFA Saints
Jermon Bushrod RFA Saints
Rashard Butler* RFA Texans
Tyson Clabo* RFA Falcons
Jeromey Clary RFA Chargers
Chad Clifton UFA Packers
Willie Colon* RFA Steelers
Damion Cook UFA Lions
Ryan Cook* RFA Vikings
Brandon Frye RFA Seahawks
Jared Gaither RFA Ravens
Mike Gandy UFA Cardinals
Brandon Gorin UFA Broncos
Cornell Green UFA Raiders
Stephon Heyer RFA Redskins
Jon Jansen UFA Lions
Charlie Johnson* RFA Colts
Levi Jones UFA Redskins
Daniel Loper* RFA Lions
Damion McIntosh UFA Seahawks
Marcus McNeil* RFA Chargers
Pat McQuistan* RFA Cowboys
Tony Moll* RFA Ravens
Ikechuku Ndukwe RFA Chiefs
Tony Pashos UFA 49ers
Donald Penn* RFA Buccaneers
Cory Procter* RFA Cowboys
Ephraim Salaam UFA Lions
Jonathan Scott RFA Bills
Barry Sims UFA 49ers
Wade Smith UFA Chiefs
Mark Tauscher UFA Packers
Adam Terry* RFA Ravens
Jeremy Trueblood* RFA Buccaneers
Ryan Tucker UFA Browns
Langston Walker UFA Raiders
Guy Whimper* RFA Giants
Mike Williams UFA Redskins
January 10th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Potetinal free agent guards 2010
Andy Alleman RFA Chiefs
Eugene Amano UFA Titans
David Baas* RFA 49ers
D’Anthony Baptiste RFA Redskins
Jeremy Bridges UFA Cardinals
Chris Chester* RFA Ravens
Nick Cole* RFA Eagles
Daryn Colledge* RFA Packers
Dan Connolly* RFA Patriots
Harvey Dahl* RFA Falcons
Daniel Federkeil RFA Colts
Kynan Forney UFA Jaguars
Dylan Gandy* RFA Lions
Rex Hadnot UFA Browns
Ben Hamilton UFA Broncos
Artis Hicks UFA Vikings
Ross Hochstein UFA Broncos
Montrae Holland UFA Cowboys
Richie Incognito* RFA Rams
Max Jean-Gilles* RFA Eagles
Scott Kooistra UFA Bengals
Chris Kuper* RFA Broncos
Deuce Lutui* RFA Cardinals
Logan Mankins* RFA Patriots
Evan Mathis* RFA Bengals
Seth McKinney UFA Bills
Will Montgomery* RFA Redskins
Stephen Neal UFA Patriots
Ryan O’Callaghan* RFA Chiefs
Chester Pitts UFA Texans
Duke Preston* RFA Cowboys
Manny Ramirez RFA Lions
Tutan Reyes UFA Texans
Dan Santucci RFA Bengals
Mark Setterstrom* RFA Rams
Rob Sims* RFA Seahawks
Darnell Stapleton RFA Steelers
Zach Strief* RFA Saints
Keydrick Vincent UFA Panthers
Bobbie Williams UFA Bengals
Marshal Yanda RFA Ravens
January 10th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. One or two weak players make everyone around them look suspect. Fix the weakest link in the chain first, observe how the others adjust to better talent, assess where the next weakest link is, upgrade it … rinse, lather, repeat.
Zymurge Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Wholesale change, whether in fixing a struggling company, doing scientific experimentation, troubleshooting a complex problem, or improving a sports franchise, is a recipe for continued failure. You can’t tell what the cause and effect is of changing too many variables and end up throwing out the baby with the bath water. Perhaps the only thing worse than doing nothing is knee jerk reacting and changing too much, too fast.
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I agree %100…that is exactly why we had to sit Russell, in order to properly evaluate the rest of the “talent”. (not evaluate Grad’s or Frye)
January 10th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Potential free agent centers 2010
Nick Leckey UFA Saints
Kevin Mawae UFA Titans
Chris Morris RFA Raiders
Rudy Niswanger* RFA Chiefs
Dennis Norman UFA Chargers
Lyle Sendlein RFA Cardinals
Chris Spencer* RFA Seahawks
Jason Spitz* RFA Packers
Chris White RFA Texans
January 10th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Madden, not ok, jerk. Disrespecting the owner like you do is irresponsible. You should drop Madden from your sign-on, he’d be pissed to see your posts.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Fix the O line, solve the problem.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
solves most of them.
January 10th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Davis brought in Ellis and Seymour, he will do more of the same this year.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
The Raiders need to draft Rolando McClain in the first round PERIOD.
Start the movement, Rolando to the Raiders.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Winning 5 games means nothing. That makes you one of the 5 to 10 worst teams in the league.
And that’s the Raiders for you.
All those holes I highlighted are real. Those holes are the reason why this team wins 5 or fewer games every year.
Run defense is still amoung the worst in the league and the pass defense is just okay (with all those safeties and corners we drafted)….the o-line is amoung the worst in the league and the passing game is the worst! The running game is no real threat.
This team loses because it is no good.
I would like to see wholesale changes…starting with a new owner and GM…but that’s not going to happen sooo.
Replace the coach (tom cable) immediately…hopefully tomorrow…and fill the gaps all over the roster with productive FOOTBALL PLAYERS…
No more track stars
January 10th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
On offense, I agree that the running with QBs not named Ja-anything showed that the entire offense isn’t broken. Schilens, Murphy and Miller are a workable set of primary targets; DMac is effective in a spread offense; Bush can pound the ball in the right situations; depth at WR and TE is usable.
The exposed weaknesses now are the right side of the line and a real FB. Satele showed consistent maturation and is about average now. Henderson, when paired with a healthy Gallery, make for an above average left side. Morris is a very good interior depth guy and it’s probably worth hanging onto Barnes if the price is low to continue to develop for T depth.
So bring in three upgrades at RG, RT and FB to improve both the pass and run blocking, and then we’ll see the cumulative improvement in all facets.
On defense, THE primary need is a true MLB. If both Morrison and Howard are kept, they’d make a very solid OLB pair. Of course this is all predicated on resigning Seymour, whose presence makes the interior two serviceable. With that, you’ll see improved play from 2 out 3 LB spots make the DL look a lot more impressive against the run.
So if I’m looking for bang for the buck, fixing those 4 positions first are the place to focus. Of course if All-Pro potential players in any of the other spots fall into your lap, pounce. But with the shape of the cap — and assuming that there continues to be a cap — this team can’t take on any further big commitments before addressing the main weaknesses mentioned about.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Madden, not ok, jerk. Disrespecting the owner like you do is irresponsible.
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The General Manager is working on a 29-83 record.
3 winning seasons in 15 years.
7 straight double-digit losing seasons, AND COUNTING.
WTF are you talking about??????
January 10th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Great lineman elevate to play of linebackers
Great linebackers are impossible without a great line.
You build inside out…otherwise everyone will be bagging on the next sad sack of LBs to be signed/drafted.
Warren and Kelly are pass rushers at best….they aren’t run stuffers…they aren’t swallowing up lineman to keep the LBs clean.
Inside out….how many 30 something run defense rankings can you people tolerate.
The DTs are not starting material
January 10th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
and KoolKell is right….the record is atrocious!
January 10th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Zymurge,
I agree with everything you said. Now the $64,000 question is what do you think Al will do with #8 pick?
January 10th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Sports is about Winning!
It’s not about the freaking Owner!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 10th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
DTs playing run support in a 4-3 are 2 players battling against 2 OGs, 1 OC, and often times either a FB or a TE/HB punching through the hole. They are out-numbered one their own. Their job is to soak up blockers, create a traffic, and to let the MLB read and fill the hole to make the tackle. They can be executing to perfection, but if the MLB either anticipates the wrong hole or out-muscled in the right space, it doesn’t matter. The result is that the RB gets into the second level.
Now I’m not claiming the the Warren-Kelly combo is great. I agree that they are better pass rushers than run stuffers. But I think that they are better than they are credited with here. Based on that, if working in front of a good MLB, I don’t think that they are the position that needs the focus to fix right now.
Weakest links first, then the next weakest, etc. Reality says that in a cap constrained world, teams can only make a few strategic changes per season.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Sports is about Winning!
It’s not about the freaking Owner!!!!!!!!!!!!
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they why do you keep posting Al Davis’s Won-Lost record over and over ad nauseum?
January 10th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Can Rolando Mclain play the Mike in a 4-3 or is he solely an ILB in a 3-4?
January 10th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
So is Tommy Kelly and Gerard Warren worth over $5 million + per year?
They are not good against the run…..they are penetrators…
Get their salaries out of here and we would have the money to get a real NT
Morrison may need to improve…but he is not horrible…yes he’s bad and one of the MANY holes on this team…but not the weakest link….the DTs have been the weakest link for a long time and will continue to be until we get physical players at the position
January 10th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
RDT asks:
“Now the $64,000 question is what do you think Al will do with #8 pick?”
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And what does that question have to do with my assessment of the team needs?
Al is going to do what Al wants. I wanted to trade down last year and pickup DHB in the bottom half of the 1st (since we knew Al was going there anyway) and get some OL help with an acquired 2nd. The year before I wanted to either get one of the top OTs or trade down using the right to DMac as bait, get Felix Jones instead, and use the extra pick for OT again. The year before that, I wanted anyone but Russell!
My guess is that Al will become enamored with some currently off-the-radar uber-athlete and then try to prove to the NFL that he knows more than they and pick him way higher than he should be taken. And it won’t be a position of need either, you can count on that!
On the other hand, this team does a pretty job of finding diamonds in the rough in rounds 2-5. Maybe I can dream that even Al gets that his cap is so horked from all these high first round picks — and from the inevitible way higher than market FA contracts he’ll come up with — that he’ll be forced to trade out of #8 for multiple 2nds and 3rds. And then he’ll make some picks with those that will at least intrigue us as more Mike Mitchell / Louis Murphy type players.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Roch I’ve been saying it for awhile. I want McClain.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Sports is about Winning!
It’s not about the freaking Owner!!!!!!!!!!!!
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they why do you keep posting Al Davis’s Won-Lost record over and over ad nauseum?
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BECAUSE HES THE FREAKIN GENERAL MANAGER!!
geezus h. christ.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
do you think Al hasn’t traded down before because he didn’t want to or because he couldn’t find a partner?
January 10th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Hire the best GM available.
Retire Mr. Davis
GM builds a “real org” based on sound current football priciples, not 70’s logic, which has zero place in modern football….
Without hiring a GM, this team will be 5-11….
January 10th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Sports is about Winning!
It’s not about the freaking Owner!!!!!!!!!!!!
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they why do you keep posting Al Davis’s Won-Lost record over and over ad nauseum?
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BECAUSE HES THE FREAKIN GENERAL MANAGER!!
geezus h. christ.
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I guess you are right on that one.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Think about what Mr. Davis does is funny, and stupid….
What the hell is a DHB, and how, where or when did Mr. Davis get into his head that the fastes guy is the best guy….
January 10th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
SnB
Actually, the OL are the weakest link. If the offense under JR cant stay on the field long enough for the Defense to gather their breath, then its eventual that they will give up huge yards. But I do agree with you that both Kelly and Warren are not worth the money or keeping them in this team. Matter fact, I dont mind warren staying if he is willing to play with a backup money and substitute him on third down when he can rush the passer but kelly is pure garbage, a fat guy who cant stop the run neither can he rush consistently on third downs. As far as Morrison goes, I would switch him to the Sam if he struggles then he could be a backup. But I doubt he would accept a minimized role, if we let him go, a team like the colts will jump over him, he could be a great player in the Tampa 2 defense that requires a speedy LB. Rolando Mclain can play the Mike, if he is available in the second round, I will draft right away. My guy is Brandon Spikes, he is solid against the run and a real defensive leader not just a good linebacker, otherwise trade for injury prone Urlacher, Chicago needs picks and we need a true legit MLB.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Urlacher is done. he’s a shell of what he used to be.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
SnB — I didn’t say that the two DTs were worth their cap hit. The fact that they, primarily Kelly, are way over-priced is a different discussion.
So if I could dump one or both and replace them with similar talent in a way that is a net cap savings, I’d pull the trigger for sure. But my statements are all based on the assumption that to replace any starter position that there will be a cap impact, so if that remains true, then it’s not where I would allocate limited cap spending this season.
Again, I’m not saying that they aren’t good upgrade targets. What I’m saying is that they aren’t the top priority and that moving Morrison to OLB and getting a more natural MLB will make those two better as a side effect, lessening the immediate need to upgrade them.
It’s kinda like saying that your car isn’t stopping safely but you have limited money to address it. If you have to choose between new brake pads and tires that grip better, you should figure out that in the most typical stopping situations, the extra traction won’t make any difference if the brake pads aren’t grabbing, so you get more bang for the buck fixing the pads first.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Think about what Mr. Davis does is funny, and stupid….
What the hell is a DHB, and how, where or when did Mr. Davis get into his head that the fastes guy is the best guy….
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His theory and, I’ve heard him say it, is that you can teach everything BUT, size & speed.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Doesnt matter who we pick, until a real GM is in place 5-11, 6-10 at best…. Cable the great as HC…lol
cable
morrison
BRL
DHB
all need to go….
January 10th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
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His theory and, I’ve heard him say it, is that you can teach everything BUT, size & speed.
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Thats the dum best theroy in the world. What is ray lewis 40 time???
how many losing seasons did we have before the aberition of 2002??? Mr. Davis is literally insane…
January 10th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
cable must be a bad teacher than becasue we sure as hell cant tackle….
January 10th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
2 LB’s we passsed on last year from USC cushing, and mathews getting some serious rookie of the year considerations….. Last year was a good year to draft a LB…. But I guess all four of the USC LB’s didnt have good forty times…
January 10th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Haven’t been able to tackle for years and years, stop the run either.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
I was in the bay area on business, saw the sign….
It is a work of art, wish I had a camera to take a picture….
Mr. Davis should have retired in 1990…..
January 10th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
CB Javier Arenas….your new Oakland Raider!
January 10th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Funny how new englands D lloked like ours today. suspetable to big plays and cant stop the run. belichick and Mr. Davis must be sharing d strats, and notes….
January 10th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
CB Javier Arenas….your new Oakland Raider!
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If that happens I will destroy something….
January 10th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Oline to protect Al Davis project Jamarcus Russell.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I don’t think you need to worry Thec…I predicted Al would take C Alex Mack with #7 last year.
Bet now you wish he had.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Draft should be easy……
Take the best avail MLB/OL/DT on the board.
Best move the last 3 seasons should have been trade
down and stockpile…..
Doesnt matter though, our GM is stuck in the 70s time warp…
January 10th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
packers ruined my parlay picks damnit. had it all riding on them, nyj, dal, bal did their part but it was on the last game in ot. to decide it.
January 10th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
On my 53 man roster i dont have a player with the name jamarcus russell…..
January 10th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
I’ve heard Al talking about trading down. His opinion is that it’s not worth the hassle. You just use your picks to get the guys that you want and not worry so much about what others think about the value.
I think one thing that gets in the way is that he projects his value system into everyone else’s. I think that he gets so psyched about his under dog picks, that he starts worrying that someone else sees that same hidden value and will try to steal the player from him. So in the case of last year and DHB, once he decided that this was going to be the best WR or the draft (in his mind) he figured that the rest of the NFL might eventually catch up to his football genius, assume that he knows more than everyone else, and use his interest as the reason to trade up and take the player. At that point, he sees trading down as a risk that could mean losing his secret prospect.
That said, what I would’ve loved to see him do last year was to draft Crabtree with his pick, and then start offering him to teams on the clock starting several picks later in exchange for them taking DHB and then trading along with some compensatory extra picks. Not only would that’ve landed more picks, but also let them sign DHB to a more Raiders friendly contract conducive with the lower pick. So even if in Al’s paranoia that he thought DHB would go only 3 or 4 picks later, this strategy would’ve still gotten some extra value.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
underdogs look good 4 next week.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
I don’t think you need to worry Thec…I predicted Al would take C Alex Mack with #7 last year.
Bet now you wish he had.
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Your right, I would have take louis murhy over DHB…
January 10th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
I’ve given up hoping for an Olineman after the last few years.
Face it. Al will take a skill or secondary player.
Hence…CB Javier Arenas, the next Rookie-of-the-Year.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
that howie long cake was the s***!
January 10th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
rookie of the year on a 5-11 team?????
raiders next year 6-10 at best…..
January 10th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
BUILD THE LINES IN ‘10.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Sound strategy Zymurge, I always kind of thought myself that Al was worried other teams would “steal” his sleepers.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
we should have been drafting ol, dl, lb the last 3 drafts…. Look at all the successful teams, you csn get skill players a dime a doz…
NFL is about trench warfare…. Look at the winning teams and what they have in the trench. How many trench warrioirs do we have that could start on ALL 31 other teams???????
January 10th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
In a way, I do somewhat agree with the “can’t teach size and speed theory”. At the root it’s true. Assuming that a raw player actually can be taught all the skills necessary up to the NFL level, his physical abilities then become the difference.
The problem is that Al takes similar projects with his 1st round picks. So now you’re not only gambling with a much more valuable pick, but you’re paying this project top tier starters money the first few years while they are being taught and not very effective.
And the saddest part is that sometimes it means that the team has to cut their cap losses and waives one of these projects a few years in. Then they sign with another team for the league minimum and continue their training. So the drafting team has now subsidized a large majority of the prospects cost.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
In the NFL you need to:
1) have a Quarterback
2) protect the Quarterback
3) get the other Quarterback.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
OK take a project in the later rounds if you “need” to have that player. How ever agreed, signed off, even put DHB’s name on the board should be fired…..
What Mr. Davis does is insanity….
January 10th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
> NFL is about trench warfare…. Look at the winning teams and what they have in the trench. How many trench warrioirs do we have that could start on ALL 31 other teams???????
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In my opinion, we have 1 1/2. Seymour is a beast that is at least as good as probably every other teams’ #2 DE, if not their #1.
I’d say that Gallery starts at OG for at least half of the teams.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
2010 – YEAR OF THE BIG UGLIES. LET IT BE WRITTEN, LET IT BE DONE…
Well, it worked in Egypt eons ago. I think big Al was around then.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
If we are going to play 85% of time man defense, then we as strong as our weakest link. Clearly, our DTs are struggling. If they get pushed by the opponents OL, then our LBs will 100% get blocked and you will see our Safeties with record setting tackles just like Branch who lead the safeties in tackles. I am not saying Branch is not a good player, but he doesnt int any balls, and he is got high tackles just like stuart schweigert did. Only think good about him is that he sometimes forces fumbles and is sure tackler unlike Schweigert getting run down from Tomlinson. Here is the think, if we gonna solve the problems in our defense, I would think we need trade for either Vince Wilfork and Shaun Rogers, trade down get extra picks to give up a second rounders for those two players. Draft MLB Spikes and sign a CB like Carlos Roger hopefully he learns to play man defense. I know its a wishful thinking since I doubt Wilfork is available for trade since they traded Seymour to resign Wilfork and I also doubt holmgren would trade one of his best defense players. But thats not the end of the road. Realistically, we can get a guy like Casey Hampton if AL starts his spending free and sign a cheap guy like Fredd Robbins. Our DL line would be Ellis, Hampton, Robbins, Seymour. Our Lbs should be Scott, Howard and draft MLB Brandon Spikes. CB Asmough and Carlos Rogers, SS Branch and FS Huff.
January 10th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
James just tore up Portland
January 10th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
The people on this messageboard have it figured out.
Offensive tackle, defensive tackle, middle linebacker.
That’s what we need the most.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
So is Tommy Kelly and Gerard Warren worth over $5 million + per year?
They are not good against the run…..they are penetrators…
Get their salaries out of here and we would have the money to get a real NT
Morrison may need to improve…but he is not horrible…yes he’s bad and one of the MANY holes on this team…but not the weakest link….the DTs have been the weakest link for a long time and will continue to be until we get physical players at the position
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The OT, DT, MLB and RDE positions are the weakest positions on the team. Oh and the QB position needs talent and leadership as well.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
# Zymurge Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
I’ve heard Al talking about trading down. His opinion is that it’s not worth the hassle. You just use your picks to get the guys that you want and not worry so much about what others think about the value.
I think one thing that gets in the way is that he projects his value system into everyone else’s. I think that he gets so psyched about his under dog picks, that he starts worrying that someone else sees that same hidden value and will try to steal the player from him. So in the case of last year and DHB, once he decided that this was going to be the best WR or the draft (in his mind) he figured that the rest of the NFL might eventually catch up to his football genius, assume that he knows more than everyone else, and use his interest as the reason to trade up and take the player. At that point, he sees trading down as a risk that could mean losing his secret prospect.
That said, what I would’ve loved to see him do last year was to draft Crabtree with his pick, and then start offering him to teams on the clock starting several picks later in exchange for them taking DHB and then trading along with some compensatory extra picks. Not only would that’ve landed more picks, but also let them sign DHB to a more Raiders friendly contract conducive with the lower pick. So even if in Al’s paranoia that he thought DHB would go only 3 or 4 picks later, this strategy would’ve still gotten some extra value.
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Looney thinking by the old man.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
# Random Drug Tester Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
In the NFL you need to:
1) have a Quarterback
2) protect the Quarterback
3) get the other Quarterback.
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This is right but there are cases where you win with mediocre QB. The Ravens did it. We also so New England lose from a QB who posted 10 point rating and 34 yards the whole game. I still think Defense wins championships. If our OL gets fixed and AL allows the coaches to run the ball more than passing, with our improved DL and MLB we can more games, we could end up winning eleven games next year with Grad as our QB as long as we change the playing scheme and improve our OL, DL and MLB. I just dont think like you guys who believe rookies will improve this team next year. A good DL will take him time to become the beast you guys want him to be. If we really want to improve right away, draft for future, trade and sign for present. As they say someone junk is is another persons gold, sign players who will fit our system not DeAngelo Hall or Moss case, but trade for guys like Seymour or sign a guy like Hampton or Kampman. To be honest with you, I think Seymour should play DL fulltime, he would command double team and allow our DE to play one on one. With a strong defense and improved OL, I believe a mediocre QB like Grad lead this team to the playoff.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Wilfork is a FA. We dont need to trade for hm unless they fanchise him.
I think we should draft OT, DT, DE ( after we move Seymour inside), LB, CB, and FB.
We also should sign QB J Campbell, WR, OL & DL depth.
Hire Harbaugh!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Sign J C , WR, and OL & DL depth in FA*
January 10th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Jason Campbell? What’s so great about him?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
He had Santana Moss to throw to and the Skins still lost more games than Oakland. Granted he did spank the Raiders, but as we know that’s no big whoopdeedo.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
The jason Campbell is a non-starter. Shanahan said he was going to use him.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
KC is getting better by getting better coaches.
Denver is getting better by coaching ( for the first 1/2 of the season).
SD are full of talent, and they are doing well in the coaching department
Fix the Coachng issue Al, so we can compete with those teams or it’s going to be an ugly decade.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I keep saying this, but any of you guys who have tape of the Raiders, pay attention to some of those BIG running plays teams had against Raiders, and keep an eye on Morrison and Howard and how horrible they were. They don’t get in their gaps; or they overshoot it, or worse yet, they consistently whiff on tackles if they do happen to get a shot at the runner.
I will say that they do a decent job of keeping up with their man if they are sent in coverage. That’s what they do I guess, but we NEED guys that can tackle and know where they are going, or Raiders will continue to be one of the worst teams against the run year after year after year, like it has been.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
No More ZBS!!!!
Cut Pears, Cooper, Green, and Morris.
Cut TK, Warren, and Euk!!!
Euk is making 1.5 M to play STs only!!!
Cut Fargas & Walker!!!
DON’T sign Alston, Brown, Sam Williams, Eugene, William Joseph, Stanford Routt, Watkins, Frye, and Barnes unless he wants to play G!!
Fire Cable!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Questions
What do you guys think rookies will improve this team dramatically? Are we still in a rebuilding mode?
Personally, I dont think this team is rebuilding, we drafted many young players, we are in a desperate need in finding true leaders, only way we can improve our record is signing or trading for true veterans. Kampman is a free agent who we know GB won’t resign him, I understand many teams that play 4-3 would try to snatch him b4 us, but hey thats market demand and supply. Bid high for proven veterans who fit our system. A line with Ellis, Hampton, Seymour and Kampman would be feared in this league. Along with if we trade for Urlacher. This line would definitely stop the run and create havoc in passing situations.
Thats my vision in improving a struggling defense rather than drafting a young player who is not even guaranteed if he succeeds in this league.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
If AL drafted Seymour thinking he will single handedly stop the run, he is clearly lost his mind. He needs guys who understand their role. Ask Ray Lewis how did Haloti Ngota help his game. We need a big DT like Hampton and big MLB like Urlacher, those two understand football.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Raider O Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
KC is getting better by getting better coaches.
Denver is getting better by coaching ( for the first 1/2 of the season).
SD are full of talent, and they are doing well in the coaching department
Fix the Coachng issue Al, so we can compete with those teams or it’s going to be an ugly decade.
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Gotta disagree with you on the coaching thing.
KC and Denver got NEW coaches. Time will tell if they are good.
KC was worse than the Raiders last year and they had the QB they wanted.
Denver finished 8-8 like the year before, so the Bellicek trainee wasn’t quite up to the job. He ripped apart his team in the process. If not for the fast start, there would have been a mutiny in Denver. They’ll probably end up trading more players who aren’t on board with his way of thinking.
Pretty much all of the Bellicek disciples have tanked.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Resign TH and Kirk to play OLBs, Scott can play both OLB and DE, Move Seymour inside, draft a True MLB, DT, and RDE.
That should give us a solid front 7 that can slow down the run, and rush the passer.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
I’m starting to think that even if the Raiders switched uniforms with the Ravens, they STILL couldn’t stop the run.
Seems like no matter what Oakland does they can’t stop the darn run.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
So is Tommy Kelly and Gerard Warren worth over $5 million + per year?
They are not good against the run…..they are penetrators…
Get their salaries out of here and we would have the money to get a real NT
Morrison may need to improve…but he is not horrible…yes he’s bad and one of the MANY holes on this team…but not the weakest link….the DTs have been the weakest link for a long time and will continue to be until we get physical players at the position.
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I agree with Kelly and Warren needing to have their salaries reduced.
However, replacing the money used on them and paying slightly more money to an overweight two down player like Cody with the #8 pick, is dangerous.
A similar situation happened last year with the Maualuga dilemma. Most of the league felt he was a two down player and not good in coverage and he slipped to round 2. He was a thumper however, but in the end the nobody in the top ten or even the first round touched him.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
NorthernD,
KC hired Charlie Weis as OC, and they will hire Romeo Cornell as DC according to espn and the NFLN.
That’s a good Coaching staff IMO!
Denver finished 8-8 under a new Rookie HC. Not bad IMO
SD play next week in the POs!!
January 10th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Well, the OT, DT, MLB and RDE positions are the weakest positions on the team. Oh and the QB position needs talent and leadership as well…..badly.
Hire Jim Harbuagh and a GM to work with him and build the lines. He has seen what his brother has in Baltimore. He will know what the Raiders will need to do to turn the ship around.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Questions
What do you guys think rookies will improve this team dramatically? Are we still in a rebuilding mode?
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There are a couple in the draft who could have an immediate impact.
The one I think who will make the biggest impact might be MLB McClain.
I don’t know bringing in more FA’s will accomplish. Al will overpay for an aging vet past his prime. He’ll come in, get frustrated and mail it in. Then the Raiders will be stuck with more dead cap money.
“If you want an apple that’s not rotten, you pick it from the tree.”
Build through the draft. I know Al will want size and speed with his first pick. But after that focus on character. Take players from winning schools. Players with great character and desire. Let them influence the talented but less focused players. And if the talented players don’t succeed, then replace them.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
So..does Cable get the axe tomorrow or does Al give him an endorsement, OR, does Al drag this out till spring?
January 10th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
The players will respect Harbaugh and his way because he has been there and done that in college and in the NFL….the HARD way!
Jim Harbaugh would be the Raiders version of Mike Singletary…..only with more of an offensive background.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Raider O Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
NorthernD,
KC hired Charlie Weis as OC, and they will hire Romeo Cornell as DC according to espn and the NFLN.
That’s a good Coaching staff IMO!
Denver finished 8-8 under a new Rookie HC. Not bad IMO
SD play next week in the POs!!
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Weis and Crenell did nothing when they weren’t working for Bellicek. So, having them go to KC doesn’t guarantee any success at all. They are still just two big names at this point.
As for Denver, they finished 2-8 down the stretch. Our fatboy had a better record than that.
SD is the cream of the division, I’ll grant you that.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
OT Bruce Campbell, MLB Rolando McClain, or DE Derrick Morgan should be the pick……IF Suh and McCoy are not there of course AT #8 IMO.
January 10th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Draft McClain or Bruce Campbell in the 8th!!
Anything else is just another bust or reach!!
Suh and the other OT will be gone!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Denver’s record was 8-8 and I know we can agree that is a descent/ good record for a ROOKIE HC.
As for KC, you do make a great point. I feel they failed as HCs, but they were and still are good Coordinators.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Warren draws double teams… our lbs are soft mcclain would do wonders. I think we should sign both bama boys in mcclain and terrance cody and change to a 3-4 alignment. Imagine trevor scott and thomas howard coming off the edge along with morrison and mcclain in the middle with cody playing nose with that big body with seymour and kelly playing de. Kelly had his best year at de. I think we’d be a tough team to stop on d.
January 10th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
# Raider O Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Draft McClain or Bruce Campbell in the 8th!!
Anything else is just another bust or reach!!
Suh and the other OT will be gone!
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Agreed! But my top three players that maybe on the board at #8 that the crazy old man or the new GM (hopefully) should target are an EVERY down beast MIKE MLB like McClain, a beast OT like Campbell or a stud RDE Morgan.
That’s it and nobody else. Then again the old looney man will over think it and REACH for a player that he thinks will make him look like a genius, but instead make him look foolish…..again! Ugh..
January 10th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Raider O Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
Denver’s record was 8-8 and I know we can agree that is a descent/ good record for a ROOKIE HC.
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Callahan was 12-4 as a rookie HC. Then…
What’shisface from Indy was 14-2…
I think it takes a couple of years as a HC before it becomes their team.
Besides, Denver was 8-8 last year. So he didn’t exactly make any great strides. Gruden took a 4-12 team to 8-8 in his first year.
Everyone rips on Cable because he didn’t improve on the team’s record. Yet, McDaniel is supposed to be a good coach because he had the same record as last year?
I don’t buy it.
And as I recall, Good ol’ Norv didn’t exactly lights things up in Oakland. I think QB Rivers has more to do with making him look smart right now.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Think about what Mr. Davis does is funny, and stupid….
What the hell is a DHB, and how, where or when did Mr. Davis get into his head that the fastes guy is the best guy….
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This is Raider 101.
“The size power and intimidation of the old Yankees and the Dodgers speed, fundamentals and willingness to pioneer.”
January 10th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Northern D, Rivers is acarrying the day. Alot of those games were close and required some passing magic from Rivers to carry them throguh. That’ll change in the play offs. He won’t be as likely get that done.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Think about what Mr. Davis does is funny, and stupid….
What the hell is a DHB, and how, where or when did Mr. Davis get into his head that the fastes guy is the best guy….
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You know what i’d give it to you nnamdi… DHB pretty much sucks but I think in the long run he’ll be ok because he actually wants to be good and he’s a hard worker meaning he’ll do what ever it takes to become great. He has the size and the speed all he needs to do is work on his route running which will come over time and I believe its easier to teach someone to catch vs. run fast. But jamarcus is the total opposite which is why I have no faith in him. His work ethic is shot and his will todo better is non-existant. I picture dhb becoming a faster version of T.O when its all said and done.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Nnamdi21,
I wonder how smart those top coaches would be, if they didn’t have QB’s like Brady, Manning and Rivers?
I can’t see SD going to the SB this year. They still have to go through Indy to get there. Although tanking the last two games may have thrown off Indy’s timing a bit. The year they won the SB, they played all their games at full speed.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Tom cables pimp hand,
IMO, WR is not just a position where hard work will get it done. I believe the WR must be very self-confident, almost arrogant to play the position. The player has to want the ball. He must want the attention his position draws.
Look at all the great WR’s. They loved the limelight. They wanted to be in the spotlight.
DHB is timid. He lacks self-confidence. He appears very quiet, and I don’t think that will ever change.
Louis Murphy seems to like the spotlight much more than DHB, and should become a much better WR in the next few years.
DHB will only become a bad memory, IMO.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Louis Murphy is our Hines Ward. Both have very similar mannerisms. This speaks well for Murphy. DHB will come around next year or the one after that. He’s a good hard working kid. Let’s let him develop and not shoot before he’s had time to be all he can be.
Schillins, Murphy, JLH, DHB & Nick Miller are the nucleus of an excellent receiver corps. All they need is a QB that can get them the ball on time. The O-line problem will be fixed this year both through the draft and through FA. AD’s time is running out & he knows it. He has to go all out if he wants results in his lifetime. We should also move DMac to the Slot WR position permanently. He could do well there. It would also be a natural to run reverses with him in the slot. Top all that off with 2 very god TE’s – both with great hands. Overall our extended receiver corps is in a very good position right now.
Draft Big Uglies and a MLB. Bring in McNabb or Troy Smith on FA for the QB position. We’ll also need a Sproules type to replace Dmac’s RB position. Rankin might work if he’s available.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
# NorthernD Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Nnamdi21,
I wonder how smart those top coaches would be, if they didn’t have QB’s like Brady, Manning and Rivers?
I can’t see SD going to the SB this year. They still have to go through Indy to get there. Although tanking the last two games may have thrown off Indy’s timing a bit. The year they won the SB, they played all their games at full speed.
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An NFC team like the Saints or the Vikes will win the Super Bowl this year. They can beat any of the AFC teams. The Bolts are overrated and their lines and lack of a running game and bad run defense will be exposed in the playoffs or Super Bowl.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
We’ll also need a Sproules type to replace Dmac’s RB position. Rankin might work if he’s available.
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Jb I know just the guy if the raiders want a sproles type rb. His name is dexter McCluster and he plays for ole miss, im tellin you this kid is chris johnson form tennesee typr fast, has dreads like chris too.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Dexter McCluster would be a great pick in Round 2, but the Raiders don’t need a RB.
January 10th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
A RB I like in this year’s draft is Ryan Mathews from Fresno State…. He has the most vicious stiff arm in the country. He breaks like 15 tackles every game. He can run between the tackles and he has the speed to go the distance. This year, he ran for 234 yards and 3 scores against Boise State. His touchdowns were 69, 68, and 60 yards…
January 10th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
NorthernD Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Tom cables pimp hand,
IMO, WR is not just a position where hard work will get it done. I believe the WR must be very self-confident, almost arrogant to play the position. The player has to want the ball. He must want the attention his position draws.
Look at all the great WR’s. They loved the limelight. They wanted to be in the spotlight.
DHB is timid. He lacks self-confidence. He appears very quiet, and I don’t think that will ever change.
Louis Murphy seems to like the spotlight much more than DHB, and should become a much better WR in the next few years.
DHB will only become a bad memory, IMO.
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Uhhh northern D… Marvin harrison wasn’t arrogant loud and a demand the ball type reciever neither is fitzgerald, Jerry rices wasn’t T.O/ rand moss arogant either nor was rod smith. arrogance isn’t it its confidence with dhb thats the problem, and with the way everybody jumped on dhb before he even got a chance to play… its no surprise his confidence was shot. When jerry rice first came into the league he had the dropsies as well but he worked at his craft and became better, T.O. had the dropsies when he first started as well remmember jj stokes was thought to be the guy to take the torch from jerry remmember but after that magical catch against greenbay it built owens confidence, all it takes is that one catch. I doubt dhb will have those jitters all his career. You think he doesn’t have a chance but I think in the future he’s gonna surprise us all like nnam did and all of a sudden become great. Robert meachem had a bad year last year too and was thought to be just another a height weight speed guy to and he turned it around this year so give dhb sometinme before you count em out.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:00 am
A RB wouldn’t hurt if we traded Fargas for a pick…
January 11th, 2010 at 12:08 am
Any chance we could trade a 2nd and a 3rd or both 3rd rounders for DT Darnell Dockett??
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
to add dexter mccluster i’d trade any one of our 3 rb’s trade dmac for dockett or shaun rodgers and pick up another solid dlineman or olineman, get rid of that monster contract and go with bush mccluster and fargas. I’d be more in tune to trade dmac because getting rid of him would add cap space.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
I think that the most likely guys to be our first 4 picks are:
1. MLB Rolando McClain, assuming he declares
2. OG Mike Iupati
3. OT Ciron Black
3. DT Boo Robinson or QB Jevan Snead
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
I think that the most likely guys to be our first 4 picks are:
1. MLB Rolando McClain, assuming he declares
2. OG Mike Iupati
3. OT Ciron Black
3. DT Boo Robinson or QB Jevan Snead
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
to add dexter mccluster i’d trade any one of our 3 rb’s trade dmac for dockett or shaun rodgers and pick up another solid dlineman or olineman, get rid of that monster contract and go with bush mccluster and fargas. I’d be more in tune to trade dmac because getting rid of him would add cap space.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
to add dexter mccluster i’d trade any one of our 3 rb’s trade dmac for dockett or shaun rodgers and pick up another solid dlineman or olineman, get rid of that monster contract and go with bush mccluster and fargas. I’d be more in tune to trade dmac because getting rid of him would add cap space.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
to add dexter mccluster i’d trade any one of our 3 rb’s trade dmac for dockett or shaun rodgers and pick up another solid dlineman or olineman, get rid of that monster contract and go with bush mccluster and fargas. I’d be more in tune to trade dmac because getting rid of him would add cap space.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
to add dexter mccluster i’d trade any one of our 3 rb’s trade dmac for dockett or shaun rodgers and pick up another solid dlineman or olineman, get rid of that monster contract and go with bush mccluster and fargas. I’d be more in tune to trade dmac because getting rid of him would add cap space.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
I think that the most likely guys to be our first 4 picks are:
1. MLB Rolando McClain, assuming he declares
2. OG Mike Iupati
3. OT Ciron Black
3. DT Boo Robinson or QB Jevan Snead
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 am
I think that the most likely guys to be our first 4 picks are:
1. MLB Rolando McClain, assuming he declares
2. OG Mike Iupati
3. OT Ciron Black
3. DT Boo Robinson or QB Jevan Snead
January 11th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Sorry about the duplicate posts. My computer was messing up….
January 11th, 2010 at 12:20 am
I like Mathews better than McCluster, a lot more….
January 11th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Before we can seriously figure out who we should draft, we’re gonna have to wait til FA starts….
January 11th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Never seen matthews play. gotta check em out.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Never seen matthews play. gotta check em out.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Nevr seen matthews play. gotta check em out.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:38 am
Tom cables pimp hand,
Unavoidable delay…
Your list:
Marvin Harrison, easily the quietest of the bunch, owns a bunch of bars named after him.
Jerry Rice couldn’t leave the spotlight and stayed on past his years. He tried other venues and was on “Dancing with the stars.” He’s hardly a wall flower.
Larry Fitzgerald has a weekly speaking gig on MNF radio.
Micheal Irvin, Cris Carter, Keyshawn, Colinsworth, Shannon Sharpe, Steve Tasker?, Bob Trumpy, and there are others, are all talking heads on the pre-game shows.
They love the spotlight.
TO and Ochocinco.
Houshmandzadeh left Cincy so he be the man in Seattle.
Arrogance and bold behaviour go with the position.
DHB doesn’t have it. Crabtree does.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:51 am
Ok Northern D… But only time will tell which one of us is right. But being mouthy doesn’t make you a great player is all ima say. Nnamdi isn’t a big smack talker and is great at what he does deion was a smack talker and is great at what he does. Deion cam in recognized as a good db nnamdi had to work his way to greatness. Some are born with it others have to work for it. The ones born with it love to talk those who work are humbled but are more respected when its all said and done. Crabtree was born with it but that doesn’t mean dhb can’t work to get there and I think he will.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8fLyL1yHmg&NR=1
I think all these highlights are from the ‘07 and ‘08 years, his lesser years, stat wise. In ‘09 he ran for 1808 yards, 19 Tds, a 6.6 YPC avg, and a 151.3 YPG average….
January 11th, 2010 at 1:09 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF7rbevTpsM&feature=related
Here’s his 3 TD game against Boise State in ‘09
January 11th, 2010 at 1:30 am
Ryan Matthews lloks great in those highlights, great vision and power.
McCluster could be a steal in round 3 or 4, poor man Chris Johnson
January 11th, 2010 at 1:31 am
I am pretty sure that he’ll run like a 4.4… Not really sure. He has speed, but it’s not Chris Johnson speed tho….
January 11th, 2010 at 1:33 am
His freshman year he ran for only 866 yards and 14 TDs. He’s been part of a 3 man rotation his whole career at Fresno State. Oh, and there were a lot of games where Mathews was sat in the 4th cuz we were winning by a good amount this year.
January 11th, 2010 at 1:36 am
over 100 yards every game except 1 he went out with injury this season, I like is vision, something McFadden lacks
I would love to trade McFadden and go with Bush as our primary RB, Fargas as a backup, and a young RB via draft (Matthews in round 2 or 3, McCluster in round 3 or 4, he is fast and can return kicks and punts,…)
January 11th, 2010 at 1:43 am
Yeah, he went down in the 1st quarter against Nevada with a Concussion and missed the next game. He easily would’ve ran for over 2,000 yards this year.
January 11th, 2010 at 1:45 am
He’s got great size, IMO. 5′11 and 220. I think he’ll run a 4.4-4.45 at the combine and his pro day.
January 11th, 2010 at 1:46 am
Ryan matthews looks like the juice in the face. lets just hope he’s not a murderer.lol But he looks good though. an everydown back.
January 11th, 2010 at 1:53 am
Totally he could be an every down back. It’s sad when the guy who won the Heisman is below you in every rushing category and only won it cuz he went to a BCS school….
January 11th, 2010 at 2:08 am
It sucks that the Heisman doesn’t mean what it used to anymore. It’s basically just a BCS popularity contest now…
January 11th, 2010 at 3:07 am
Raiders should draft MLB Pat Angerer out of Iowa.
Never seen him play, don’t care.
That name is awesome.
Now if they can only find a Riley Nastee, and Phil Thee to go along with him.
January 11th, 2010 at 4:03 am
i don’t see us doing very well this upcoming year…
the number of holes we had a year ago were confined to (offense) C, OG, ROT… (defense) DTx2, DE, MLB… my recommended draft by the way…
because we only addressed one of those positions (DE) we now have a need list that has gotten bigger…
we need: C, OGx2, ROT, MLB, OLBx2, DTx2
even if we did go out and spend in free agency… they will need a half year to gel…
so… conclusion… we will suck next year…
January 11th, 2010 at 4:46 am
Good Morning Nation, The Only Nation.
Down goes Frazier “Patriots”, they got the b!tch hand come down on them hard. Spoiled fans booing there team after all they have done to that state.
The tides are turning and the league is changing, when a team like the Cardinals and Jets are advancing. So i say stay positive and cross your fingers and toe’s and just maybe we can be there soon.
January 11th, 2010 at 4:49 am
Morning NATION!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 4:54 am
Think the Pats could have used Seymour yesterday?
I think they bit off more then they can chew, and now that the league is on them for cheating it’s harder to be a dynasty. Now the Cowboys will get the boot next against a Vikings team that will stop the run and force Romo into bad throws.
If Marvin Lewis loses his job we need him as a DC or headcoach, i like his dimeanor kinda like a Dungy.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:02 am
909RaiderLifer Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
I have a couple of friends that are GB fans. They ain’t answering their phones….lol..
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THAT is funny 909!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 5:05 am
Nnamdi for Wilfork and a pick?
I want a long-term deal,” Wilfork said when asked about his situation following the team’s 33-14 loss to the Ravens in the wild-card round of the AFC playoffs. “That’s something me and my wife [Bianca], we want. We’re going to try to get a long-term deal done, that’s first and foremost.”
Wilfork, who is the team’s top free agent, said he could imagine himself playing for another team.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:14 am
r8dr4lfe21,
Don’t even think it.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:18 am
Did we fire the chubby dude yet??
January 11th, 2010 at 5:19 am
Apparently Tom Cable urged the Raiders to draft Stryker Sulak in the 5th round last year.
Cable was disappointed to later find out he didn’t spell his name “Strike her.”
On a lighter note, heard a radio rumour saying Jim Harbaugh wasn’t even asked to interview for the Bill’s HC job. They speculated because he was interested in the Raider position…
I guess we’ll find out this week.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:23 am
the cliche is “it’s a passing league”
then why was each playoff game this weekend won by the team with the better running game? in fact two winning quarterbacks threw less than 15 times each and one qb threw for 420 yards and lost.
charlie frye 45 passes and bush/mcf 15 rushes is bassackwards as a winning formula.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:24 am
NorthernD Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 5:14 am
r8dr4lfe21,
Don’t even think it.
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Nnamdi is my all time favorite Raider, but this is a team sport. I dont think Nnamdi helps us enough covering 1 side of the field, he rarely shadows a WR. Wilfork is the piece were missing on defense. Moving Routt to the outside, and Huff to Nnamdi’s side with C-Johnson or a FA pick-up playing the nickel spot.
Moving Mcfadden to WR this offseason and Michael Bush as our starting RB. Our starters would be ChaZ,Murphy, Dmac. Not to mention with more pressure on the QB with Wilfork and a better run defense. He would help out our LB’s.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:28 am
Cable is bassackwards as a headcoach.
I would love to see Trestman or Harbaugh as coach.
hell get both keep Trestman as OC if not hire Leach his options are slim to none right now.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:30 am
fire sam williams..
January 11th, 2010 at 5:32 am
Strike-Her LMMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 5:36 am
Rumor has Jmac kicking it with Hip Hop star Drake. Drunk and singing out loud “I WANT THE MONEY, MONEY AND THE CARS, THE CARS THE HOES I SUPPOSE, I JUST WANNA BE SUCCESSFUL”.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:45 am
Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Reagan era brought back hope and optimism to america. Only thing he killed was a disfunctional carter administration.
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Goes to show….The Carter administration passed more legislation than ANY administration B4 it.Hence Jimmy Carter was given the moniker “The Working Mans President”….Also Carters determination brought down that wall Regan stood on.Regan was at his best when he ACTED like he did something, but we all know Regan did his best work with a monkey
January 11th, 2010 at 5:46 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Yesterday’s game between the Packers and Cardinals…wow…talk about fireworks! 13 total TD’s, with 9 coming through the air. Over 1,000 yards total offense…some astronomical 52 something first downs and almost 900 yards passing…Geez…Although I could say that when they got to Rogers…wasn’t that a face mask violation? Oh well…
January 11th, 2010 at 5:47 am
Iran-Contra anyone?
January 11th, 2010 at 5:50 am
Hwnrdr….That was a great game….This is 1 time anyway,imo,that a good offense beat a good defense….Warner and Rodgers WOOOOOW!
January 11th, 2010 at 5:54 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. A GREAT GAME 2 WATCH HWNRDR, POINT’S EVERYWERE..
January 11th, 2010 at 5:55 am
ravens beating the isht outa the gaytriots was by far the better game yesterday.. IMO
January 11th, 2010 at 5:56 am
Yes…forgot…96 points and only what? 2 punts?
January 11th, 2010 at 5:56 am
Seeing Rice run on the first play 87 yards to pay dirt…that was something!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 5:57 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 5:47 am
Iran-Contra anyone?
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cut it out.. You been hanging out with Dakota to much. Next you’re gonna start talkin bout the Lakers..
January 11th, 2010 at 5:57 am
Still brings a tear 2my eye =)
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Rayda23059 Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
http://sdg.scout.com/a.z?s=102&p=2&c=553442
Madden HOF induction speech excerpt:
“To have Al Davis here is something special. I mean, if it weren’t for Al, I wouldn’t be here. He was a guy that gave me an opportunity. He was a guy that hired me 40 years ago, brought me into pro football. He was a guy that made me a head coach when I was 32 years old. I had two years of pro-coaching experience.
Who the heck names a guy 32 years old as a head coach? Al Davis did. But he not only named me head coach, he stood behind me and he helped me and he provided me with players, with great players. As he was saying, nine of the players are in the Hall of Fame. I mean, those are the types of players that he provided me with.
He stood behind me not only the 10 years I was the head coach, but he stood behind me for the last 40 years. AL DAVIS IS A FRIEND, ALWAYS HAS BEEN A FRIEND. I remember I had the opportunity to induct him into the Hall of Fame. At the time I said, you know, talking about loyalty, what a guy Al Davis was. I said that he’s the guy, you know, if you had anything happen, you had one phone call, who would you make that phone call to? I said it would be Al Davis.
All these years later, I got an opportunity, I got voted into the Hall of Fame, I had a phone call to make for a presenter, and I called Al Davis
January 11th, 2010 at 5:58 am
Sorry 408 wont do it again….after ALL this IS The Morning Crew!!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 5:58 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 5:23 am
the cliche is “it’s a passing league”
then why was each playoff game this weekend won by the team with the better running game? in fact two winning quarterbacks threw less than 15 times each and one qb threw for 420 yards and lost.
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Let’s not let the first weekend take you from the rest of the league.
We still have the Cardinals, Colts and Chargers around. No D, and the Colts and Chargers are two of the worst rushing offenses in the NFL (look it up). Saints also don’t play much D, and will throw the ball just as much as anyone.
Just because the Jets and Ravens won don’t get too confused. When they both get pounded this weekend and the Super Bowl is the Saints-Colts, nobody will be talking D and running the ball. It will be QB, QB, QB, QB.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:59 am
oh and lakers-schmakers =)
January 11th, 2010 at 6:05 am
This league is set up for passing offenses. That is why there are so many rules against CB’s that will not allow them to succeed. You cant strike fear in a WR anymore cause you have to hit below the head and above the waist on a catch attempt. So pretty much allow him to catch it, let his feet hit the ground and then pursue to tackling. No more hitting a guy at the same time the ball is getting there, unless your going after the INT. QB’s cannot be hit anywhere near the head or below the knees and cannot be hit after releasing the ball, but if a running back is running free Hines Ward has the right to blind side you.
So the league want points, points puts fans in the seats, and allows the Patriots, Colts, Chargers, and Saints to be dominant. Cable tried being a passing guru with no O-Line and it blew up in his face.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:05 am
Yo Jerry! WAKE UP! we need a fix.. Is there gonna be a presser? Come on man we need answers!!! FUK
January 11th, 2010 at 6:07 am
That was a very good speech 4eva…
January 11th, 2010 at 6:07 am
Morning Vegas..
Saints? Really? I think the saints are well the saints.. Ha Ha.. Im pulling 4 the cards..
January 11th, 2010 at 6:08 am
Vegas….I think it will be Warner and the Cardinals vs. the j-e-t-s jets.The oppisite ends of the spectrum.Pass-happy Kurt vs. the sound running game of the jets…..
Cardinals all-the-way
January 11th, 2010 at 6:09 am
The Ravens always have a chance, because of their defense.
But that is one of the greatest defenses of all-time, with two HOF on it (Reed and Lewis).
Not only will we never be able to build a D like that, nobody ever will. Sit back and enjoy it, but don’t even attempt to duplicate it, because it will never happen.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:10 am
It was Hwnrdr….and always will be IMHO =)
January 11th, 2010 at 6:11 am
Cardinals vs Jets in Superbowl 44? Far fetched but I would like to see it. But…do you think the Jets will past the Chargers this week? I hope so, but…
January 11th, 2010 at 6:11 am
Man its been sinse 1969 sinse we heard from the jets
January 11th, 2010 at 6:12 am
– Here’s the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel’s profile of Charles Woodson, grown up and flourishing as a star and a leader in a way he never did in Oakland.
Easily one of the most interesting and charismatic guys to ever set foot in the locker room, he could also be one of the most infuriating, given his Monday-through-Saturday preparation as a Raider.
Whether he shuts down Larry Fitzgerald today or gets lit up by him, expect Woodson to do as he’s always done and tell the truth when it’s over.
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C Wood got abused yesterday. Kurt Warner made him look like MeAngelo Hall. that was awesome!
maybe Nnamdi should have given HIM some advice. not vice versa …
January 11th, 2010 at 6:12 am
Chargers beat the Jets by at least 2 TD’s this weekend, IMO. I have been awful picking games, but I see all the favorites winning but the Vikings.
Saints-Cowboys
Colts-Chargers
3 dome games and a game in San Diego, the whole cold-weather all D games will not happen. You most score points this weekend to win.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:13 am
sorry fellas, but this week I’m a Jets fan…
J-E-T-S
jets! jets! jets!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:13 am
I sure hope so 2 Hwnrdr….GAWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
If the doltz win Raider O will go postal =)
January 11th, 2010 at 6:14 am
CAN THE J-E-T-S, JETS,JETS,JETS, MAKE IT WITH A ROOKIE Q.B. ALL THE WAY ?
January 11th, 2010 at 6:15 am
Kurt Warner threw 33 passes, and had more TD’s than incompletions, lol
When he is on, is their anyone better?
January 11th, 2010 at 6:16 am
well David Woodley started for the ‘fins but Marino finished the season and went as a rookie
January 11th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Never thought of that, Vegas…4 incompletions to 5 TD’s…when he is on, I don’t know if anyone is better. Not bad for a grocerey store clerk, huh?
January 11th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Chargers beat the Jets by at least 2 TD’s this weekend, IMO.
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Vegas, I disagree. surprisingly, the Jets match up very well with the dolts this weekend…
Kerry Rhodes & Davis Harris on Antonio Gates.
Revis on Vincent Jackson.
loads of pressure on Rivers from the Jets front seven.
Jets can run on anybody and the Chargers can’t stop the run w/o Jamal Williams …
you know Rivers always folds under pressure and LT is averaging 3.3 yards per carry this season
January 11th, 2010 at 6:18 am
What year was Brady when Bledsoe went down?
January 11th, 2010 at 6:18 am
No Vegas there isnt….Thats why I made him my very 1st pick in FF,but I shoulda known he’s hot and cold during the season.But come play-off time he is MONEY,imo
January 11th, 2010 at 6:19 am
Did the Jets beat them this season? If they did, it had to have been within the first 5 games…
January 11th, 2010 at 6:19 am
not ” Davis Harris ”
David Harris. ILB
sorry, typo
January 11th, 2010 at 6:22 am
everyone wants to talk about the Chargers winning their last 11 games or whatever, but the Jets are hot too. won 6 of their last 7 games and Sanchez returns home to so cal
January 11th, 2010 at 6:24 am
The Jets shouldn’t have even made the playoffs. They lost 5 of 7 games, than played 2 teams that played 2nd and 3rd stringers.
Bengals choked in the playoffs that game away. The guy missed 3 FG’s and twice they were in the red zone.
Rivers won’t let the Jets off the hook like that. I hate the dolts, but I see them winning easily.
Every year there is one blowout in this round of the playoffs by a home team. I think it will either be the Chargers or the Saints.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:25 am
That is exactly what I mean, Rockstar…somethings gotta give! SD does have the longest win streak now…I still think Indy should have went for it all!!! I mean, why not?
January 11th, 2010 at 6:26 am
WEEL SAID VEGAS,GOOD MORNING ROCKSTAR..
January 11th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Jets beat the dolts in the 2004 playoffs back when Tomlinson was still in his prime.
I’d be surprised if SD wins this one by more than 7 unless Sanchez turns the ball over 2-5 times, which is very possible.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:30 am
WELL SAID, OR SOMETHINH LIKE THAT..
January 11th, 2010 at 6:30 am
I hope Sanchez, Rex and the Jets beat the Dolts because if not…I believe they have had the Colts number for a few years now, and they know it!!! But…watch out for the Ravens!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:30 am
Ravens V.S. Vikings in the superbowl.
They are clock managment type teams. The Ravens can pass if need be, and the Vikings can run and pass. Jets will beat the Chargers this weekend setting up a game with Rex playing against the defense he assembled.
The Vikings just need to shut down Miles Austin “ugliest WR in football” and the Roy Williams cant catch so it will be up to Whitten cause the Boys run game will be shut down.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:30 am
The Jets were 3-3 when they played the Raiders, 4-3 after they beat us. They then went 3-4 until the last two weeks of the season.
Hardly, a HOT team.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:31 am
I don’t usually root for injuries, but I wouldn’t be upset or saddened if Rivers is carted off on a stretcher before halftime.
get ready for another sweet shot of LT on the bench by himself pouting with his helmet on too!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:32 am
I know it was last year, but the Chargers blew them out at home.
Doesn’t really count, but these East Coast teams struggle when they fly out west.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Cant wait 4 that Rockstar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Vegas,
it’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.
see Cards last year & Cowboys this year and Giants when they went on to win the SB.
Jets have won 6 of their last 7 games my friend. thats not opinion, thats FACT.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Redskins, Jets, and Ravens didnt struggle beating us lol. Oh you ment against actual NFL teams, my bad.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:35 am
And vice versa, Vegas! Somethings gotta give!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:35 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Never thought of that, Vegas…4 incompletions to 5 TD’s…when he is on, I don’t know if anyone is better. Not bad for a grocerey store clerk, huh?
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Looks like the Raiders should have taken the QB who was bagging all the groceries, instead of the one who was eating them.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Morning Nation,
I have an opposite view of the games yesterday. I hated it. The NFL to boost ratings has radically changed football to favor the offense. It should be a physical sport, not touch football. Like the NHL, they changed the rules. I like tough defenses. Not just a passing game. Let the defense hit the QB, push the receivers.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:38 am
It is a fact Rockstar, I will give you that.
But before that 6 of 7, they lost 3 in a row, lol.
I just don’t believe in the Jets. I think they got throttled this weekend.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:38 am
every Raider fan knows: charger = choker
whether it’s this week or next, it WILL happen.
obviously i’m hoping it’s sooner rather than later
January 11th, 2010 at 6:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:34 am
Vegas,
it’s not how you start, it’s how you finish.
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In that case, it should be Dallas-Chargers in the bowl.
And it very well may be.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:41 am
But before that 6 of 7, they lost 3 in a row, lol.
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well the dolts started the season 2-3. is that impressive?
nobody cares about 8 or 15 weeks ago man. all that matters is who shows up on Sunday and I think Rex will have that defense fired up!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:41 am
dischargers are playing great football right now probably best in the NFL. That said go jets!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:41 am
NorthernD Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:35 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Never thought of that, Vegas…4 incompletions to 5 TD’s…when he is on, I don’t know if anyone is better. Not bad for a grocerey store clerk, huh?
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Looks like the Raiders should have taken the QB who was bagging all the groceries, instead of the one who was eating them.
Thanks for the Monday morning funnies, Northern D!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:41 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:05 am
This league is set up for passing offenses. That is why there are so many rules against CB’s that will not allow them to succeed. You cant strike fear in a WR anymore cause you have to hit below the head and above the waist on a catch attempt. So pretty much allow him to catch it, let his feet hit the ground and then pursue to tackling. No more hitting a guy at the same time the ball is getting there, unless your going after the INT. QB’s cannot be hit anywhere near the head or below the knees and cannot be hit after releasing the ball, but if a running back is running free Hines Ward has the right to blind side you.
So the league want points, points puts fans in the seats, and allows the Patriots, Colts, Chargers, and Saints to be dominant. Cable tried being a passing guru with no O-Line and it blew up in his face.
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exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Morning Nation,
I have an opposite view of the games yesterday. I hated it. The NFL to boost ratings has radically changed football to favor the offense. It should be a physical sport, not touch football. Like the NHL, they changed the rules. I like tough defenses. Not just a passing game. Let the defense hit the QB, push the receivers.
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I agree the league is worried about making money, and with Manning, Brady, Rivers hurt for getting hit like Bradshaw, Stabler used to will lose them a ton of money.
WR’s and tight ends are glamour positions and cannot be risked by hard hitting safeties.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Of course this coming from a guy, other than Florida Gators, hasn’t picked a game right in weeks.
Seriously, I am smack dab in the middle of one of my worst football picking streaks that I can ever remember.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:42 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder,
Gotta agree with you there.
Watching an all passing game is like watching half a game.
A good ground game is like watching a good pitcher’s duel in baseball. Lots of strategy.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:43 am
With that being said, I could see how far the Raiders are from being a contender.
Fire Cable!
Cut JaLoser!
Go Lakers!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:45 am
Imagine a superbowl game where a team like say this years Rams “Stephen Jackson” V.S. a team like Dolphins “Ricky Williams” the score would be 9-3 and the league would lose a ton of money.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:46 am
let’s call it fellas.
what will happen today in the Al & Tom meeting?
A. Cable is fired
B. Cable is retained
C. no decision made
not what you want, but what do you PREDICT will happen (if anything…) ???
January 11th, 2010 at 6:48 am
Good morning AM crew.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:49 am
vegas raider Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:09 am
The Ravens always have a chance, because of their defense.
But that is one of the greatest defenses of all-time, with two HOF on it (Reed and Lewis).
Not only will we never be able to build a D like that, nobody ever will. Sit back and enjoy it, but don’t even attempt to duplicate it, because it will never happen.
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i’m not sure i agree with you…
any team that decides that defense will be it’s identity and then drafts and signs FA accordingly can be as good as the Ravens or the ‘85 Bears…
but you do need to determine if that is the identity you want and that’s where you put your focus and money… the Ravens have done that for the past 12 years…
a great defense needs to be quality throughout…
on offense it’s a different story… a great QB can make an entire offense great…
best example would be the offense of the Seahawks back in the late 70’s, early 80’s…
Zorn and Largent… and that was jsut about it for offense…
January 11th, 2010 at 6:49 am
I think it’s more important to the NFL who the teams are in the superbowl. I’m sure they’d much rather have pretty boy Tom vs America’s team, rather than Jacksonville and Detroit.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:49 am
Cable is gone, a replacement will be named after the Chargers lose and Ron Rivera is brought in for an interview. That starts the minority interview then Al will turn to Trestman or Harbaugh with Leach as OC.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:50 am
I’ll go with “c”.
Cable won’t be sacked until every other vacant nfl Head coaches job is filled.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Yup…and the 2 best SB’s played (besides the 3 the Raiders won…I am biased of course…haha) was the SB in 91 with the Giants winning because of Norwood going wide right and the Giants beating the 18-0 Patriots ( I think because of that, that will be one of my all time faves)!
Although, AZ almost pulling last year’s “Shock the World” off will be #3!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:51 am
RRS
I choose C. no decision made! I just hope big Al has a presser!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:52 am
Good Morning Pete…
Don’t forget that the 85 Bears also had a decent offense in McMahon and “Sweetness”!
January 11th, 2010 at 6:52 am
I just loved watching the Pats/Ravens game.The look on Brady’s face was kinda “WTF is going on ? The league said the win was in the bag”.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:52 am
I also think that superbowls should be played in poor weather stadiums. Thats football a bunch of grunts going at it and it makes the coaches alter there game planning if say they played in the snow. A lot more running and more game planning. This league is trying to set up the perfect game with good weather locations and america sweetheart teams.
January 11th, 2010 at 6:53 am
Unless Big Al can snare,trick or hog-tie Harbaugh,Cable will be retained,imo
January 11th, 2010 at 6:54 am
RaiderRockstar,
Al has never been in a big hurry to fire/hire coaches after the season. So I think he waits until Thursday.
My call is that Al was at the video store this weekend and rented ” Run Fatboy Run.”
Al will give him 30 seconds to clear out his office before he sicks the dogs on him.
But the biggest reason for that decision, is that he has someone better in mind…
January 11th, 2010 at 6:57 am
I really think Al has something in store for the league this season coming up. As far as getting headlines with his next head coach hire, and GM hire. Then he will turn heads by making trades for his 1st round pick, and also a couple of blockbusters in store with FA’s. He will slowly fade to the backround and allow his coaches and GM to run this franchise back to respectability. “Babe wake up you over slept”
DREAMING, DREAMING, DREAMING…
January 11th, 2010 at 7:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 6:46 am
let’s call it fellas.
what will happen today in the Al & Tom meeting?
A. Cable is fired
B. Cable is retained
C. no decision made
not what you want, but what do you PREDICT will happen (if anything…) ???
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Al Davis: hey, Tom, have a seat…
Tom Cable: thanks, coach…
Al: i gave this a lot of thought…
Tom: and???
Al: you can stay, but there have to be some changes…
Tom: sure, sure… absolutely…
Al: not so fast… i mean big changes…
Tom: i’ve always thought Jamarcus could run the football too…
Al: no, no… that’s not what i’m talking about…
Tom: well… then what???
Al: ya need one of these…
Tom: what the hell is that???
Al: it’s a probe… it goes in your rectum… it allows me to talk through you…
Tom: huh???
Al: yeah, that way we make all the right calls… you see??? it connects to your spinal cord and allows me to control your mouth…
Tom: i don’t think…
Al: let me get herrera in here… he knows how to install it…
Tom: HELP… HELP…
Cable wakes up covered in sweat… he picks up the phone and calls Al Davis…
Al: yeah, Tom…
Cable: uh, i’m not feeling well today… i won’t be able to make the meeting…
January 11th, 2010 at 7:02 am
TMZ has a picture of McFadden legally buying a shotgun and hunting supplies in Arkansas. http://www.tmz.com/
January 11th, 2010 at 7:02 am
I think it’s Herrera thats controling Davis as Mr Davis passed away 7 years ago.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:05 am
TMZ has a picture of McFadden legally buying a shotgun and hunting supplies in Arkansas.
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is he durable enough to hunt?
he’s fast. I’d use him as a bird dog…
January 11th, 2010 at 7:06 am
TMZ has a picture of McFadden legally buying a shotgun and hunting supplies in Arkansas.
Now if Cable were buying guns today, that would be a story…
January 11th, 2010 at 7:09 am
Tom wake up, Tom wake up…
Huh OMG it was only a dream. Prior to his interview in 2009 to become Raiders head coach.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:11 am
Would you want to go hunting with Dmac ? He’ll only fall over all the time and drop his gun.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Whatever Chris Mortenson reports today, the Raiders will do the opposite just to discredit him.
That is the focus in the organization….payback…not winning football games, just payback baby!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:12 am
You’d be safer with Dick Cheney.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:15 am
lol Neilb!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:19 am
Cheney had an excuse he yelled duck and the man thought he said Duck as in quack quack.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:19 am
Whatever Chris Mortenson reports today, the Raiders will do the opposite just to discredit him.
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so true. However, remember Adam Schefter reporting Art Shell would be fired and the whipping Al gave him?
then 3 days later Shell was canned. LOL
January 11th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Well, today is the day…I’ve given up on expecting anything from Al these days! Whatever happens…
RAIDERS TIL I DIE!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:25 am
“As an American I am not so shocked that Obama was given
the Nobel Peace Prize without any accomplishments to his
name, but that America gave him the White House based on
the same credentials.”
**Newt Gingrich**
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“As a Raider fan I am not so shocked that Tom Cable was given
the play calling duties without any accomplishments to his
name, but that Al Davis gave him the Head Coaching job based on
the same credentials.”
RaiderRockstar
January 11th, 2010 at 7:26 am
work to do. later fellas!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Don’t work too hard Rockstar!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:31 am
Newt Gingrich the JaMarcus Russell of politics lmfao.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:34 am
The new head coack of your Oakland Raiders is, drum roll please. Randy Hanson the man that took 1 on the chin, the man that was knocked out by Cables 1 hitter quitter. The man CB’s credit for there progress.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Gawd…we have joked about that in here lately, but I surely hope not!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:38 am
What kind of a name is “Newt” ? Is it a man or woman ?
January 11th, 2010 at 7:38 am
it would not surprise me if Hanson were the dark horse candidate…
January 11th, 2010 at 7:39 am
It wouldn’t surprise me either, Pete…but…
Got work to do…have a good day Nation!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Randy Hanson ? Why not ? Shanahan’s gone.
May I introduce the next Head coach of the Oakland Raiders…….Rich Gannon!!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:44 am
If Randy Hanson is the next HC that might finally break me as a fan…at least until Al is dead anyhow.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:47 am
I think Tom Brady’s performance yesterday can officially end the Brady is as good as Joe Montana bull Spit conversations.
muhahahahahaaaaa
January 11th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Mike Tyson to host Monday’s episode of Raw.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Brady is as good as the NFL wants him to be.
Tuck game, no more hitting below the knees. He was running scared after Suggs popped him then Ray Lewis. Randy Moss well he Randy Moss’ed it yesterday.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:50 am
Time for me to go…
Enjoy your Monday my friends.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:52 am
The league lost money yesterday when the Ravens laid the pimp hand down on the Patriots. Boston is burning right now.
January 11th, 2010 at 7:54 am
“David White, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, January 11, 2010
Raiders coach Tom Cable, meets with owner Al Davis today to discuss all the reasons he’ll get fired, say people up and down the organizational chart.
The only question, as one confidant put it, is whether Cable gets fired “for cause” (see Randy Hanson scandal, “Between the Lines” report, etc.) or if he gets fired just ’cause (JaMarcus Russell benching, non-scoring offense).”
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I hope you are right David.
FIRE CABLE!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Gaytriots fans booing has 2 be the best thing I’ve seen all year..
January 11th, 2010 at 7:58 am
anybody know what time the meeting between Big Al and lil Cable will be?
January 11th, 2010 at 7:59 am
408RAIDER Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 7:58 am
anybody know what time the meeting between Big Al and lil Cable will be?
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My guess would be around 3 pm…and that is an early day for Al!
January 11th, 2010 at 7:59 am
As an American, I appalled that Sen. Harry Reid (D) Nevada was forgiven for making rascist remarks about Barack Obama. Barack Obama said he knew what was in Reids heart. WTF, if a Republican said the same thing, he would be forced to resign.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Well Davis gets in about Noon so anytime after that. We will not hear anything till after the superbowl only speculation. Then whatever is being said we will do the opposite.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:00 am
that’s: I was appalled
January 11th, 2010 at 8:01 am
r8dr4lfe21 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Well Davis gets in about Noon so anytime after that. We will not hear anything till after the superbowl only speculation. Then whatever is being said we will do the opposite.
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I have to wait until at least 4:00 p.m. est, DAMMIT!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Racist remarks forced to resign, shooting someone in the face still good to go. Wow sounds like bizzaro world.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Here’s a stat for you:
The Cardinals scored one fewer TD yesterday than the Raiders did while JaMarcus was in at QB in part or all of 12 games.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Fire Cable Fire Cable Fire Cable!!!!!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Fire the scouts, fire Cable, fire Herrera, fire Hanson.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Hey Dude, wherever you went, I guess Carroll was pretty happy with Jeremy Bates as his OC last year:
“The Chicago Bears have been informed that Jeremy Bates, who was scheduled to interview for their offensive coordinator’s job, has decided to accept the same job with Pete Carroll and the Seattle Seahawks, two sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen on Sunday night.”
January 11th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Fire Big Al.. <—- luv that guy but I Luv my RAIDERS more!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Hey Cable, Duck!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Cam Cameron.
I’ll say it again, Cameron should be the # 1 guy on the list if Cable is fired and Harbaugh won’t come.
With 4 picks in the top 100 in 2010’s draft we should hire Cameron and pick up 2 or 3 nasty OL.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Chris Mortensen = D bag
January 11th, 2010 at 8:13 am
“I’m going for this job 100 percent,” stated Steve Sarkisian back in January of 2007. “I’m solely focused on this job with the Oakland Raiders.” He appeared to be the prohibitive favorite before bowing out. “The Oakland Raiders were not ready to offer the position and wanted to wait until after the weekend as the organization is still doing its due diligence,” the organization said in a press release prior to settling on Kiffin. “I thank them for their interest in me,” Sarkisian then commented. “While the job was never offered to me, at this time in my career, I’ve told them I want to stay at USC. I strongly believe that the Raiders’ job is a great opportunity for whomever their next head coach is going to be.”
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Al you dumbass…strike while the iron is hot…you leave people hanging and they walk. Hell, Gruden wasn’t even sure if he had been hired or not for several days, lol.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Any chance we can trade for McNabb now?
January 11th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Sarkisian could have been the next Head Coach at USC. Instead he’s stuck at Washington. lol
January 11th, 2010 at 8:21 am
804
January 11th, 2010 at 8:22 am
awww it ain’t the same..
Trade DMac 4 McNabb!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:23 am
hey Exla,
Did you hear about those Bynum for Bosh rumors Peter Vescey started?
January 11th, 2010 at 8:24 am
It’s monday. Fire Cable !!!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:27 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
# Dakota Says:
January 10th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
If Al tries to “for cause” Cable though, I think we might see Sanjay Lal as our next HC because no one will touch this job….unless Al pays them up front of course.
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How can Al fire Cable for cause?
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Insubordination and conduct unbecoming an NFL HC….and for being a total Buffoon.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:29 am
I hope Al doesn’t try to “for cause” Cable….that would just make it that much more difficult to hire a decent HC to replace Cable.
Just re-assign Cable and let him shuffle paper for the next couple of years…or have his scout the CFL and China or something.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Dakota, that’s a good trade for you, Bosh in his prime can help you more than Bynum, at least for the next couple of years while Kobe remains at the top of his game.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I can see it already.
Al is going to keep CAble around for awhile, have him sit in on some interviews for “OC”, than fire CAble as HC, hire the “OC” as HC, reassign CAble to assistant HC/line coach/player personnel guy, than 6 games into next season when we are 1-5 with Jamarcus at QB, firing the new HC and than putting in CAble back at HC as the “intern” again.
Just keep Cable, remove him from play-calling, and hire an OC.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:23 am
hey Exla,
Did you hear about those Bynum for Bosh rumors Peter Vescey started?
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No, but why fix something not broken?
January 11th, 2010 at 8:34 am
I’m just worried about Gasol’s hammies.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:44 am
I did a web search of Bynum for Bosh and there are all kinds of stories.
January 11th, 2010 at 8:45 am
Herrera have anything to say lately?
Some pretty good performances by Maclin and Felix Jones on Saturday. Too bad we didn’t have a chance to draft these guys instead of DMC & DHB. Oh wait, we did!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Oh shut the hell up with the maclin and felix jones bit. Neither of them would have helped either. Raiders have zero toughness in the trenches
January 11th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Lakers missing Ariza….ron ron aint the same player he use to be not even close. No legs
January 11th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Lamar Odom will be a mess when that bastard child is born
January 11th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Fire Cable!!
No way we keep the Fat Talking Monkey who beats on women!!
No F ing Way!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:53 am
# vegas raider Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I can see it already.
Al is going to keep CAble around for awhile, have him sit in on some interviews for “OC”, than fire CAble as HC, hire the “OC” as HC, reassign CAble to assistant HC/line coach/player personnel guy, than 6 games into next season when we are 1-5 with Jamarcus at QB, firing the new HC and than putting in CAble back at HC as the “intern” again.
Just keep Cable, remove him from play-calling, and hire an OC.
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LOL, yeah this may just happen
January 11th, 2010 at 8:54 am
So what Cable slapped around his ex wife 20 years ago….You are muslim yall do women worse!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:54 am
He hasn’t announced anything on Cable, but I’ve heard Al is looking at some young offensive-coordinator types, at least one whom is local and a bit surprising.
I won’t write the name now because doing so might eliminate his candidacy and it’s not a big enough name to mean much to anybody. But the level is interesting–several candidates might be similar to Kiffin in ‘07…
Kawakami
January 11th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Hire Harbaugh!
January 11th, 2010 at 8:58 am
local OC type hmmmm?
January 11th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Knowone has seen Harbaugh since the Ravens game, maybe Al put him in the bathroom with Jo-Jo the whale and Coffee cakes, along with Mush. Now he will be forced to be our coach or Herrera will lay the pimp hand down.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Gotta love the Patriots fans booing Brady like he was Jamarcus. I’d love to see what those spoiled brats would do with 7 years of drought and all hopes of rain hanging on the dynamic over weight duo of Cable & Jamarcus….
January 11th, 2010 at 9:01 am
B,
Oh I get it!
You are black, so you can’t read, you sell drugs, and all your kids are bastards!
It’s not good to stereotype!! Especially when you are a Minority!
January 11th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I think Cable will be given an option to coach the O-Line or walk. I say he walks.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Exla,
I like that Bosh is less injury prone than Bynum, but other than that, I would not want to make the trade. If Bynum rounds into form on the defensive end he will be the best center in the NBA…Bosh is smaller and would probably play PF next to Gasol.
One espn article said that Bosh wants a max deal, which would be much more expensive than Bynum, so I am sure Dr. Buss wouldn’t do it anyhow….unless they included Odom’s or Artest’s contracts in the deal…which would make us a weaker team.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:02 am
There is no such thing as a minority cause Blacks and asians, and hispanics “witch i’am” we out number the whites so they are the minority.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:04 am
The Return Of Godliness Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:54 am
So what Cable slapped around his ex wife 20 years ago….You are muslim yall do women worse!!!
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hey man, check your facts. That’s an offensive comment you said there, anytime you generalize you offending someone. U are not a Muslim and you can’t prove all Muslims do worse, you to even know what the holy Quran states so please watch your mouth n don’t offend other ppl religion.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Morning Nation.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:06 am
See what happens when we lose our focus. Racial sh!t pops off. Lets all quit being so sensitive and agree on one thing. The Raiders.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:06 am
# Raider O Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:01 am
B,
Oh I get it!
You are black, so you can’t read, you sell drugs, and all your kids are bastards!
It’s not good to stereotype!! Especially when you are a Minority!
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WTF O???
January 11th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Anbody cut yet?
WTF?
January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Damn, I thought GB was going to make some noise in the playoffs. I guess not.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 am
The Packers got screwed like the Raiders yesterday. Should have been a facemask on that last play.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 am
lmao
January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Green Bay made some noise but Arizona’s noise was louder.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:11 am
GB vs AZ…Awesome game, one for the ages! That game had more TDs than the whole Raiders O season.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Imagine a Woodson and Nnamdi tandem? deadly.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:13 am
4eva,
Well said. It bothers me more when minorities do it. You think since they felt it they can be more understanding, but as you can see: Some are not!
January 11th, 2010 at 9:13 am
I saw woodson get run the fugg over mor than once yesterday.. L. Fitzgerald = beast!
January 11th, 2010 at 9:13 am
We had it but our patience wore thin with Nnamdi back then lol.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Wow, the internet is running with David White’s report and basically saying Cable is gone. lol
Can you say premature?
I think the bast@rds are just getting my hopes up!
January 11th, 2010 at 9:15 am
408RAIDER Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:13 am
I saw woodson get run the fugg over mor than once yesterday.. L. Fitzgerald = beast!
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Just think, we could have had Nnamdi, Woodson AND Fitzgerald on this team for the past many years….
January 11th, 2010 at 9:17 am
408,
Trying to show the kid how stereotypes work, and how everyone can do it. That’s not how I think. You should know that by now.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Whoo-hoo i just peeled an orange without breakin the skin more then once yes. Gonna be a good day tater.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Anyone else enjoy seeing the Pats get their asses handed to them this past weekend? Ravens should have challenged that punt fumble recovery but I guess it didn’t matter in the end. Not even the refs could get in the way of that stomping.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:27 am
King James is in town. Let’s go Warriors!
January 11th, 2010 at 9:27 am
anyone see the cheap shot on heap by jr.? and how the commentators didnt say jack about it? the replay clearly shows seau shoving his hand into heaps facemask and pushing up the commentators just say “oh.”
January 11th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Test
January 11th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Adam Scheftter reporting Cable will be gone today.
Ken Norton Jr will follow Carroll to Seattle maybe as a D cordinator. The job he has done with LB’s at USC cannot go unnoticed. Pete is filling out his coaching staff quickly and effectivly. We on the other hand sit and wait for Al to show up to work, and we bash Jmac for his work ethic lol.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:30 am
WTF happened to the blog? it’s all slanted and well different.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:33 am
coulda warned you about the shrooms r8dr4life.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Has anyone seen the white smoke yet?
January 11th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Has anyone seen the white smoke yet? Lol.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am
# Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 am
The Packers got screwed like the Raiders yesterday. Should have been a facemask on that last play.
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An incedental grab of mask isn’t a foul anymore..
January 11th, 2010 at 9:41 am
They might as well hold the presser now. I am not going to get any work done till I find out whats happening with my RAIDERS..
January 11th, 2010 at 9:43 am
408RAIDER Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:39 am
# Dakota Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:09 am
The Packers got screwed like the Raiders yesterday. Should have been a facemask on that last play.
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An incedental grab of mask isn’t a foul anymore..
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Yes it is…there is no 5 yard “incidental” facemask anymore…if you grab a facemask it is an automatic 15 yard penalty.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:44 am
I have a meeting to go to, but if Cable is fired before I get back then I just wanted to say:
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Dakota correct it is now a personal foul 15 yardenalty. Or personal foul a hit on a QB’s head.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Adam Scheftter reporting Cable will be gone today.
Ken Norton Jr will follow Carroll to Seattle maybe as a D cordinator. The job he has done with LB’s at USC cannot go unnoticed. Pete is filling out his coaching staff quickly and effectivly. We on the other hand sit and wait for Al to show up to work, and we bash Jmac for his work ethic lol.
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It’s freakin sad our GM is still at home eating his oatmeal in a diaper full of shyt. Al has no worries, no plan and no idea. Opps, Sorry Al, please don’t ban me from this site.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:46 am
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/10/SPIL1BFJ8F.DTL
hes fired
January 11th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Dakota
Please explain to me how hiring a new coach is going to change things here!
Is Al Davis going to magically realize that the game has passed him by because of this new hire and is ready to hire relinquish control of the team.
Because unless that happens we will be here next year saying the same thing and wanting to fire yet another coach.
Seriously explain to me how we are better off by firing Al’s yes man?
January 11th, 2010 at 9:53 am
By firing Cable it brings in a more compitent coach that understands you dont go all run against the Ravens and all pass against the Browns. This zone blocking mess starts with Cable, bringing in another coach say Trestman, or Harbaugh they understand how to game plan Cable does not. They will know that Bush is our best RB and start him, they will know that Morrison cant get the proper angles of pursuit and bench him.
January 11th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Al Davis is the problem not the coach not the players or the trainers or even the water boy.
Until he gives up control of this team he will continue to sabotage it from within.
Who wants to coach this team anyways no one worth a crap that’s for sure only up and comers looking to get a head coaching job on their resume (kiffin, Cable)
January 11th, 2010 at 9:56 am
So r8dr4lfe21 when Al Davis tells the new coach he has to start Russell then what?
How is a coach supposed to win with his hands tied behind his back?
January 11th, 2010 at 9:59 am
I hope you like coaches like Jim Zorn, Fassell and Kevin Gilbride because that is the talent pool you are choosing form when you fire Cable
January 11th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Even if Davis is the problem, that does not make Cable qualified to be coach!
January 11th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Always blaming Al, he has his faults but he does bring in talent. Maybe not 1st round picks but the rest of our drafts look decent. Cable should have not given this team 1 week off of training camp by doing basics. He should have had them working hard at all times. Cable should not have abandoned the run in pre-season thinking it was a given we can run. Cable should have known this O-Line witch he said he could put together with late round draft picks or FA pick-ups would struggle. Cable should have known that running up the middle with Dmac and Fargas was not there strength.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Speaking of the awesome GM, do you think he makes any trades this offseason?
As much as i like Bush and Huff, i think they get traded.
They used Bush very little and when they did he ran farely well. I think Davis has a crush on Fargas, so i doubt he gives up on him. I want Bush to start don’t get me wrong, but bottom line is why do we keep him if he rides the pine?
Huff i think only has a year left and did farely well as well. Mike Mithchell is eagerly waiting for his shot, so this move wouldn’t surprise me.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:02 am
All those coaches you named are better suited for Al, Fassel has worked for him before. An open competition at QB next season and i wold allow Jmac back, but he gets cut if he doesnt show work ethic.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Keeping Huff and moving him to CB would be better then releasing him.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:08 am
I have posted this before i agree Russell had no work ethic last season true. But the hard workers on this team still got gashed so what was there excuse for sucking.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Cable at Idaho 11-35
Raiders 9-18
The record at Idaho should have gotten him a job at Burger King. At least he could have fixed JaLoser a Triple Whopper with cheese.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:11 am
Yep, Cable made some mistakes. He’s a rookie HC that didn’t even have more than a short stint as a coordinator to build upon. He also had arguably one of the most difficult environments in the league for an HC to be successful in under an owner that limits his options for personnel, assistant coaching staff and play calling style. To expect him to have done any better is just, pretty unreasonable if you ask me.
I don’t think that he did any worse than Singletary across the Bay, yet he’s already been annointed as the best HC since Walsh somehow. He claimed to bring “punch them in the mouth” football, yet that team more often played like “thlap them in the ath” as, aside from the strange matchup against AZ, they beat nobody but real bad teams.
Regardless of Al’s direction, I’m tossing my hat into the ring for continuity. Cable does have them pointed in the right direction, and, if given the chance, will likely improve upon his mistakes. Unless Parcells wants to take a shot at this gig, going with yet another diamond in the rough, potential Madden/Gruden type means yet another season of HC learning on the job, making the same mistakes as they go, causing yet another culture change on the team, and basically disrupting things that much more.
For a guy with the clock ticking, Al sure seems to like the 1 step forward-1 step back approach each and every year.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:12 am
# Lucifer-666 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Dakota
Please explain to me how hiring a new coach is going to change things here!
Is Al Davis going to magically realize that the game has passed him by because of this new hire and is ready to hire relinquish control of the team.
Because unless that happens we will be here next year saying the same thing and wanting to fire yet another coach.
Seriously explain to me how we are better off by firing Al’s yes man?
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Easy.
Cable does NOTHING right.
Blew it during training camp with his silly kindergarten level “back to walk through basics…NO TOUCHING”
Zero clock management.
Zero motivational skills.
Refuses to pretend he’s alive on the sidelines.
Watches the team fall apart during games, and still can’t detect a pulse in the guy.
Was confused since day one on who the rb should be, and still never made a decision all year long..READ THAT AGAIN..IN 22 WEEKS, HE COULDN’T MAKE A SIMPLE DECISION. Waffled every week, back and forth.
Is a bad example across the board (sorry, beating up wifes, AND assts is a bad example, like it or not.)
Stupidly couldn’t see that taking on 3-4 duties, and doing very very badly at all of them, wasn’t wise. Guy sucked at calling plays, O line sucked, yet he stubbornly refused to give up either.
Allowed JR to poison the teams attitude. WHEN YOU ALLOW SOMEONE TO BE FAT, LATE, AND BLASE’..while he throws other players under the bus, and you do nothing about it, the team KNOWS you have no control.
I’ll ask it again…NAME WHAT CABLE DID RIGHT.
No one has yet.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:13 am
The fact that Cable is not qualified to be a head coach is irrelevant (exlaraiderseasonticketholder )
Think about it was Kiffin qualified to be a head coach was Art Shell and his bed and breakfast OC qualified to coach in the NFL.
NO!!
A qualified and experienced head coach would never come here Al Davis has to hire unqualified people because no one else will work with him.
Again I ask please explain to me how a new coach is going to stop Al Davis from sabotaging this team again?
January 11th, 2010 at 10:14 am
any chance cable takes a shot to his pride and goes to OL coach while AL brings in another HC?
January 11th, 2010 at 10:16 am
r8dr4lfe21
(Always blaming Al)
Yeah I suppose the Tooth Fairy is to blame for poor drafting….7 different coaches in 8 years?
January 11th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Well since Cable is no real head coach and the next guy will just be a puppet. Then i say bring in the puppet with a new puppet phylosophy. At least he might play Bush and not be angry that Bush wanted Gillbride.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Anyone else see Randy Moss jogging through his routes in the 4th quarter of yesterday’s smackdown. Looked just like his days in Silver & Black. I’ve never seen such a great player quit in the face of adversity as much as Moss. Dude’s got a glass jaw.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Lucifer-666 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:13 am
The fact that Cable is not qualified to be a head coach is irrelevant (exlaraiderseasonticketholder )
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That has to qualify as one of the most asinine responses anyone has ever posted. LMFAO
January 11th, 2010 at 10:19 am
BTW..Lucifer..I agree.
Al is the problem.
Will continue to be the problem.
Will continue to sabotage the team.
Will continue to prove he should have stepped down decades ago.
When you have an owner who takes away that many coaching duties, as a HC you’ve got to be able to at least do well, what remaining few duties you have.
Cable seems to honestly be slow..as in no clue on what’s going on.
However, if you just want a yes man. A slug. A blob. A guy who toes the company line..then hell yes, Cable is your guy.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Trade Huff not upright release him.
We got Jonathan Holland at CB are you kidding me? LoL
I’m not bashing your thoughts on that move to CB, but i think he has some trade value based on his play this year, and we need lineman bad. You know Al is going to draft a corner or 2 anyhow.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:20 am
the over/under for the Packers vs Cardinals game for the ages was 47 1/2. hahahahaha.
sports books must’ve taken a bath on that one ’cause the over/under for the Cardinal vs Saints is 56 1/2.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:21 am
If thats the only job Big Al has 4 him….Yes Cable would take the assignment,imo.Cable loves the Raiders and if this is the only way to help the TEAM,I think he would
January 11th, 2010 at 10:21 am
No Callahan had to go after being incompitent and not changing the freaking game plan. Norv had to go cause he was to freakin soft and the players didnt respect him. Shell had to go well enough said there. Kiffin was a little sh!t trying to run things at his young age instead of just doing his job he was being sneaky to get another job. Cable is well Shell/Turner put together the players want him cause they dont have to be accountable cause they just have to blame Jmac. And his play calling sucked worse then Shells bead and breakfast offense.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:22 am
There is no way a qualified head coach will work for AL so he has to hire wanna be’s and retreads
Now we can all sit here and say how crappy those coaches were.
I am not a Cable fan I am not sticking up for him I could care less if he is fired, because I am smart enough to know that it will make no difference at all.
Is everyone’s head buried so far up their asses that they cannot see a football team is a direct reflection of its management?
January 11th, 2010 at 10:22 am
It’s either Cable or Russell, I’d rather keep Cable and give him Michael Vick or someone else at QB, but Al will probably pick JaMarcus so Cable needs to go.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Heads up our asses sounds like a Band cool. But just cause we dont agree with you lucifer dont go all cyber bully on us.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:25 am
I agree with you guys I am not by any means a Cable supporter:
“However, if you just want a yes man. A slug. A blob. A guy who toes the company line..then hell yes, Cable is your guy.”
That,s about as good as it is going to get in Oakland so maybe its our best option until the Grim Reaper comes.
“the players want him cause they dont have to be accountable cause they just have to blame Jmac. And his play calling sucked worse then Shells bead and breakfast offense.”
You are so dead on with that one!!
January 11th, 2010 at 10:26 am
# Raiders4eve Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 9:04 am
The Return Of Godliness Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 8:54 am
So what Cable slapped around his ex wife 20 years ago….You are muslim yall do women worse!!!
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hey man, check your facts. That’s an offensive comment you said there, anytime you generalize you offending someone. U are not a Muslim and you can’t prove all Muslims do worse, you to even know what the holy Quran states so please watch your mouth n don’t offend other ppl religion.
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Dude..that’s Br ien..the board moron. The idiot who proudly states ‘I’s a drunk’ “I’s a drug addict..so what?”
This same idiot was jumping up and down, all giddy as hell, because Monte Poole, of all people, talked to him.
His goal is to say stupid things, and get banned.
Telling Br ien to get a clue is about as likely telling Al to get that same clue.
Not going to happen.
Stupid is as stupid does.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:22 am
It’s either Cable or Russell, I’d rather keep Cable and give him Michael Vick or someone else at QB, but Al will probably pick JaMarcus so Cable needs to go.
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Why can’t we sack them both? Agree that JaMarcus is far more incompetent though.
Actually, I think we definitely could do a lot worse than Cable but we could also do better.
Bottom line: We need dramatic improvement at the QB position and on the offensive line. Gradkowski could be the answer at QB. But there needs to be some other viable options in case he’s not the answer or he gets hurt.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:29 am
r8dr4lfe21
Cyber Bully!
That’s funny thanks for the laugh!
Like I said I am not a Cable backer I am a guy who has not been to any games in two years because I am boycotting Al Davis and I refuse to by any tickets or Raider paraphernalia until the old man is gone or relinquishes control.
Judging by the attendance at the Ravens game I am not the only one who feels this way.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:29 am
Monte Pool is a joke a reporter that has no clue so he makes his own conclusions. KNBR sucks with there company line 49er reporters sucking a$$. Talking crap when they dont have a clue.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:30 am
i know our OL struggled but obviously cable coudln’t handle all the duties that come with being the HC but maybe, just mabe if he is our OL coach and focuses on being only that, then maybe our OL will see some imporovement.
i was just thinking along those lines because Al did bring hanson back. so who know maybe cable will get a chance to come back too.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:30 am
# Chris in NY Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Anyone else see Randy Moss jogging through his routes in the 4th quarter of yesterday’s smackdown. Looked just like his days in Silver & Black. I’ve never seen such a great player quit in the face of adversity as much as Moss. Dude’s got a glass jaw.
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Noticed the same thing. I thought the Pats would yank him. Time and time again Brady would start off looking his way then eventually look to other receivers as Moss just wasn’t doing anything.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Most of y’all know about Kurt Warner being a stock boy at HyVee’s in Cedar Falls, Iowa before becoming one of the most accurate QBs in NFL history.
Most of y’all probably don’t know is that Cal coach Jeff Tedford had gone to a small JC in NorCal, Butte Community College to check out a tight end he wanted for the Golden Bear football team. While working out the tight end Tedford became enamored of the QB making the tosses during that workout. Jeff asked that QB, Aaron Rodgers if he wanted to play for Cal also.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Lucifer then your doing the right thing. If you dont agree with the product then dont buy it. But as soon as things turn around here come the bandwagom jumpers. I’m with this team through the good and the bad, it’s entertainment thats it. These players know how we are happy when they do good, but turn on them when they do bad “Patriots spoiled fans” so they will not bendover backwards for us. They only have eachother, oh and millions of $$$$$$$
January 11th, 2010 at 10:38 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:30 am
# Chris in NY Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Anyone else see Randy Moss jogging through his routes in the 4th quarter of yesterday’s smackdown. Looked just like his days in Silver & Black. I’ve never seen such a great player quit in the face of adversity as much as Moss. Dude’s got a glass jaw.
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Noticed the same thing. I thought the Pats would yank him. Time and time again Brady would start off looking his way then eventually look to other receivers as Moss just wasn’t doing anything.
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Yup he started looking edelmans way. brady probably should have looked at him earlier in the game. once they got in the groove brady was more than happy to throw to him. not bad as welkers understudy im sure we’ll see more of him in the future.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:43 am
As much as i like Bush and Huff, i think they get traded.
Huff i think only has a year left and did farely well as well. Mike Mithchell is eagerly waiting for his shot, so this move wouldn’t surprise me.
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Huff wont be traded, he did well this season and while Mitchell wants a shot, he is unproven and needs to compete for his shot, it wont be handed to him.
Bush wont be traded, someone has to realize he is our best RB. McFadden could be trade bait.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Hmmm dont we have a Welker esk type of player on our team. Oh yeah we had him inactive cause of injury all season instead of the PUP list. Cable must go now why wait.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Moss can go hell.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:45 am
A good read: http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_14162360
January 11th, 2010 at 10:48 am
wow. Jerry named 2 Jets coaches that MIGHT not ever want to come to Oakland … what about these guys ???
Quarterbacks – Matt Cavanaugh
Running Backs – Anthony Lynn
Wide Receivers – Henry Ellard
Tight Ends/Assistant Offensive Line – Mike Devlin
Offensive Assistant – Mike Bloomgren
Defensive Coordinator – Mike Pettine
Defensive Line – Jeff Weeks
Senior Defensive Assistant/Linebackers – Bob Sutton
Defensive Backs – Dennis Thurman
Assistant Defensive Backs – Doug Plank
Defensive Quality Control – Jim O’Neil
Defensive Quality Control – Brian Smith
Special Teams Coaches
Special Teams Coordinator – Mike Westhoff
Special Teams – Kevin O’Dea
Assistant Special Teams – Ben Kotwica
Strength and Conditioning
Head Strength and Conditioning – Sal Alosi
Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Ryan Cidzik
Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Kyle Thorne
good reporting Jerry!
January 11th, 2010 at 10:49 am
“Chad Pennington, an impending unrestricted free agent, is seeking a shot at a starting job.
Given some of the quarterback situations around the league (St. Louis, Buffalo), Pennington probably has a chance at a starting opportunity even though he’ll be 34 and coming off his third shoulder surgery. The Dolphins may not be an option as a backup with Tyler Thigpen and Pat White in the fold.”
WE COULD GIVE HIM A 1 YEAR DEAL AND FOCUS ON OL AND DEFENSE IN DRAFT DAY
January 11th, 2010 at 10:50 am
# r8dr4lfe21 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Hmmm dont we have a Welker esk type of player on our team. Oh yeah we had him inactive cause of injury all season instead of the PUP list. Cable must go now why wait.
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Yeah we do! He’s known as DMac. This is where he belongs and NOT at RB – which he is NOT, in the NFL at least.
January 11th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Tom Heckert is leaving the Eagles’ nest.
Philadelphia’s general manager has agreed to become the Cleveland Browns’ new GM.
wow!
I expect the Browns to have a solid offseason with Heckert & Holmgren in charge now …
January 11th, 2010 at 10:54 am
i’m tired of Russell this and Russell that…
he can’t do anything right…
well i am telling all of you right here and right now…
that nobody… but nobody… cashes fat checks like my man Jam…
ya hear that , Jam… i’m a ‘fending ya, brother!!!
January 11th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Chad Pennington, an impending unrestricted free agent, is seeking a shot at a starting job.
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we already have a noodle armed QB that is younger and (hopefully) isn’t as injury prone …
Bruce Gradkowski
January 11th, 2010 at 10:58 am
BREAKING NEWS!
The Raiders have re-signed OL Brandon Rodd.
LB/SS Darnell Bing has signed with the Houston Texans.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Dmac should be moved to WR, but i was thinking of Nick Miller
January 11th, 2010 at 11:02 am
are you guys ready?
Cable gives up play calling duties.
Ted Tollner is promoted to OC & play caller
Russell is retained & will not be asked to restructure his existing contract
January 11th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Huff won’t be traded because:
a) He was Al’s pick and has finally began to justify his existence
b) You need at least 7 good DBs in this league for both depth and nickel/dime/quarter packages as well as STs coverage
c) As mentioned above, Mitchell hasn’t done enough yet to make Huff expendable
Bush won’t get traded because:
a) He’s an Al Davis “steal” type of pick and Al needs to show the world that he was right
b) He’s at worst a good short yardage and clock eating back with a lot of upside towards every down back
c) His contract is very team friendly
For someone to get traded they have to both have legit trade value to the rest of the league and not be an Al project pick that he will stick with to prove he’s smarter than everyone else. Which means that there are very few tradeable players on the roster right now. Of those that are, many are already FAs such as Morrison and Seymour.
In other words, don’t look for any trades of note.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Danny Southwick = VP of football operations
January 11th, 2010 at 11:04 am
RaiderRockstar
How did we pass on those Tackles in the draft last year?
Jason Smith
Andre Smith
Eugene Monroe
Micheal Oher
Phil Loadholt
Oh I forgot we drafted the great DHB
January 11th, 2010 at 11:05 am
Al Davis will probably put Mike Bush on the trade block and when another team comes calling to check the asking price he’ll say: 2nd rounder this year & 1st rounder next year
LOL
January 11th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Oh I forgot we drafted the great DHB
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Luci, big Al thinks Heyward-Bey is destined to become the next Jerry Rice
Cable said his hands were great when they brought him in for pre draft workouts. Who was covering him? Bowie? Holland? Horton? nobody? haha
was this like playing catch with Sanjay Lal in the parking lot or actually making cuts & running routes?
AD probably just wanted to watch him run the 40 in person. sub 4.3 40 time = automatic Top 10 pick in Al’s eyes. he was scared the Jags or 49ers might trade up for him!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Yeah I think everyone was trying to trade up for him that’s why we had to trade up to get Mitchell as well!
“was this like playing catch with Sanjay Lal in the parking lot or actually making cuts & running routes?”
That’s funny!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:13 am
DHB is still raw, but believe this Al has patience, Nnamdi, Huff, Janikowski, Gallery.
45 minutes till this supposed meeting between Al and Cable. Al shows up for work around Noon daily.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:13 am
# JB Says:
Hmmm dont we have a Welker esk type of player on our team. Oh yeah we had him inactive cause of injury all season instead of the PUP list. Cable must go now why wait.
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Yeah we do! He’s known as DMac. This is where he belongs and NOT at RB – which he is NOT, in the NFL at least.
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I’d say not. DMac is a straight ahead speedster. Welker is shifty-quick. If anything JLH has more similar physical attributes to Welker. DMac’s value as a WR is when he shifts out of the backfield and forces a mismatch with either an LB or S that has to cover him. Making him an official WR means that he gets CBs covering him at which point he’ll be exposed for not having the route running skills of a true WR.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Enough on Jmac and DHB and DMac, this O-Line needs fixin, zone blocking crap they cant even block there own shadows let alone try to zone block.
They cant get the freakin snap count right, but we ask them to zone block, they give up when Jmca is in but it’s there fault Gradkowski got hurt. Focus on the trenches ppppplease.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:22 am
My twitter page has tweets from beat writers saying Al has potential candidates to replace. NFL reported the packers asst coach/ LB coach is one. Here are the tweets:
CamInman
Heard the name of potential successor to Raiders coach Tom Cable. I don’t know whether to laugh it off, cry for new guy or smile 4 hope.
timkawakami
Hint: Al obsesses over USC football… and the teams that recently beat the Trojans.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:22 am
this O-Line needs fixin, zone blocking crap they cant even block there own shadows let alone try to zone block.
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Cable is an awful personnel man. I can’t believe i’m saying this, but I think Al Davis should pick the players for Cable to use on his O-Line. or even that OL coach from Cal we got Jim Malalalala. let that dude find some ZBS beasts in FA & the draft
if we strip away Cable’s play calling & personnel decisions, what is he left with?
January 11th, 2010 at 11:24 am
El Tato Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:49 am
“Chad Pennington, an impending unrestricted free agent, is seeking a shot at a starting job.
Given some of the quarterback situations around the league (St. Louis, Buffalo), Pennington probably has a chance at a starting opportunity even though he’ll be 34 and coming off his third shoulder surgery. The Dolphins may not be an option as a backup with Tyler Thigpen and Pat White in the fold.”
WE COULD GIVE HIM A 1 YEAR DEAL AND FOCUS ON OL AND DEFENSE IN DRAFT DAY
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I’ve gotta think Pennington is all but done. Someone may bring him in as a backup/mentor type if he’s somewhat recovered from yet another surgery on his already frail arm but that’s about it. I watched Pennington play a little before the injury and he really couldn’t complete any passes beyond about 10 yards. I’m not kidding. His arm was below average to begin with but with these injuries it’s really shot. Gradkowski has twice the arm Pennington has at this point and is a much better option given Gradkow’s mobility and age.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:24 am
NFL reported the packers asst coach/ LB coach is one.
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Winston Moss? he interviewed last year …
couldn’t be any worse than Cable imo unless he punches a staff member and his wife sometime in the next few weeks
January 11th, 2010 at 11:25 am
“if we strip away Cable’s play calling & personnel decisions, what is he left with?”
A wicked right hook!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:26 am
A wicked right hook!
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LOL. I’d like to see him try that on Bob Gallery or Dick Seymour!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Anticipation is setting in along with anxiousness on who will wear the head set next season. Allow our next coach to pick his staff, Sanjai Lal see ya.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:29 am
if all we want at HC is a guy to run Al’s style of football, tote the company line and take the blame for losing, why doesn’t Al just give John Herrerra the HC job and save himself some money?
January 11th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Closing in on 1000 post Jerry Wake up are you on Al’s time or what?
January 11th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Chad Pennington, an impending unrestricted free agent, is seeking a shot at a starting job.
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we already have a noodle armed QB that is younger and (hopefully) isn’t as injury prone …
Bruce Gradkowski
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Dont even compare Pennington with Gradkowski.
- Pennington has 17.000+ passing yards, 100+ TDs and a 90+ career rating.
- Grad has 2000+ yards, 15 TDs with 16 INT and a 65 career rating.
Pennington is proven QB, injury prone but he can stay healthy 1 season he will do good for us like he did in Miami in 2008.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:32 am
“why doesn’t Al just give John Herrerra the HC job and save himself some money?”
That is so damn funny and sadly so true I will laugh all day because of this post!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:32 am
with our o-line Pennington wouldn’t last beyond the first time he dropped back to throw…
can you say: SNAP…
January 11th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Pennington is a statue he will get crushed behind this O-Line. Gradkowski is better suited for our O-Line. We need Vick, Gradkowski, and Tyler Thigpen i’m telling you dude is a baller.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Chad Pennington 2008 season:
16 GAMES PLAYED / 16 GAMES STARTED
67.4 PCT
3,653 PASSING YARDS
7.7 AVG
19 TD / 7 INT
97.4 QB RATING
January 11th, 2010 at 11:36 am
What’s the proposed purpose of bringing in a vet QB with few years left as the starter? That’s typically a move that a team that is real close to pushing for playoff contention does, since it comes at the expense of developing the heir apparent. Or do you see Pennington filling the role that they wanted Garcia for last year? If so, is he really better than Grads in terms of bang for the buck, given that Pennington will eat up considerably more cap space.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:36 am
with our o-line Pennington wouldn’t last beyond the first time he dropped back to throw…
can you say: SNAP…
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1) Sign Pennington
2) Draft best OT with 8th overall pick
3) Draft best OL in round 2
January 11th, 2010 at 11:37 am
What if Al had Randy Hanson and Herrera escort Cable off the premisses. Irony i think so, or is it Karma?
January 11th, 2010 at 11:37 am
El Tato Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 11:36 am
with our o-line Pennington wouldn’t last beyond the first time he dropped back to throw…
can you say: SNAP…
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1) Sign Pennington
2) Draft best OT with 8th overall pick
3) Draft best OL in round 2
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problem with that is that is a good start…
we would also need a center…
and a couple backups…
January 11th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Vick and or Thigpen would be great pickups to compete with Grads for the starting QB gig.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Miami went 11-5 in 2008 with Pennington after finishing 1-15 the year before.
I prefer to have Pennington here 1 season and win some games rather than spend “again” the next 7 seasons trying to find our Franchise QB
Sign a veteran, draft a QB in round 3 or 4 and let him develop, and play him when ready. That how REAL football teams work.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:41 am
RAIDADAMUS PREDICTS:
Madden GM,
Harbaugh HC,
McNabb QB.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:42 am
kokomo Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 11:22 am
My twitter page has tweets from beat writers saying Al has potential candidates to replace. NFL reported the packers asst coach/ LB coach is one. Here are the tweets:
CamInman
Heard the name of potential successor to Raiders coach Tom Cable. I don’t know whether to laugh it off, cry for new guy or smile 4 hope.
timkawakami
Hint: Al obsesses over USC football… and the teams that recently beat the Trojans.
^^^^^^^^^^
The “hint” should mean Harbaugh or Sarkisian. At least lets hope.
Winston Moss would be terrible. He can’t teach or develop QB’s.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:43 am
777,
Raider nation would flip out if Al Davis decided to just cut Russell outright and trade our 1st rounder to Philly for McNabb. I like it
January 11th, 2010 at 11:43 am
I am really intrigued about what our next move is at the QB position
If McNabb or Vick or another starting QB is available via trade, we should be very interested, we need a QB now
January 11th, 2010 at 11:43 am
You could sign the Dali Lama to play QB and it wont matter because Al Davis will never draft OL in the first two rounds.
Did you see how many good Tackles we passed on in last years draft….if you want me to I can list them again
January 11th, 2010 at 11:44 am
I would trade our first pick for McNabb right now
January 11th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Al Davis will never draft OL in the first two rounds.
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he let Norv do it!
(Gallery & Grove, 2004)
January 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
# raider777 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 11:41 am
RAIDADAMUS PREDICTS:
Madden GM,
Harbaugh HC,
McNabb QB.
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That would definitely qualify as a news-busting announcement.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:47 am
RAIDADAMUS PREDICTS:
Madden GM,
Harbaugh HC,
McNabb QB.
I love it!
A guy can dream can’t he?
January 11th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Good point RR
Grove got bad reviews in Miami this year!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:49 am
if we traded our 1st rounder for McNabb and drafted OL in rounds 2 & 3 we’d be left to address the defensive front seven in free agency …
January 11th, 2010 at 11:51 am
awfully quiet in massachusetts 2day. wonder why
January 11th, 2010 at 11:52 am
# El Tato Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 11:44 am
I would trade our first pick for McNabb right now
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This from the same guy that wants Pennington? I’d gladly take McNabb but NOT for a 1st round pick. A second maybe or even an early 3rd but definitely NOT a 1st. McNabb already has 11 years under his belt. He’s got maybe 2-3 years left at very best. I think he’d be great here while he was here but a first round exchange has to be at least a five year deal IMO. Personally, I’d like to try & get Troy Smith, QB-RFA from the Ravens. It might cost us a 5th round pick plus a good size dollar contract but the contract could be back loaded.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:52 am
I would love to see davis bring in vick. he would come at a relatively cheap price, and he is a proven veteran qb that can win games now. This would instantly upgrade our qb spot.
Next you match him up with trestman. The year in philly has been good for him, and jamarcuss can learn what it takes behind him. This is an ideal scenario. The draft then can be all about our o-line and our defense up the middle.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Jake Grove only started 10 games this past year and had 6 penalties. 1 sack allowed
his most since the Shell/Walsh era in 2006 (also had 6 that year) LOL
Satele had 12 starts & 1 penalty. 2 sacks allowed
January 11th, 2010 at 11:53 am
mcnabb reminds me of culpepper. have a great game 1 week, and play poorly the next. not vey consistant. got friends in cape may NJ, which is very close to philly, mcnabb is not very popular with the fans. also heard rumors of mcnabb thinking he’s better than everyone else type shyt.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:57 am
mcnabb reminds me of culpepper
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LOL. yeah and Susan Boyle looks like a swimsuit model
come on man!
both black QB’s. comparison similarities end there
January 11th, 2010 at 11:57 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Most of y’all probably don’t know is that Cal coach Jeff Tedford had gone to a small JC in NorCal, Butte Community College to check out a tight end he wanted for the Golden Bear football team. While working out the tight end Tedford became enamored of the QB making the tosses during that workout. Jeff asked that QB, Aaron Rodgers if he wanted to play for Cal also.
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Being a proud Butte College alumni, I can tell you that the TE was Garrett Cross, who was drafted in the same draft as Rodgers by the Packers later in the draft. Tedford became enamored with Rodgers’ intelligence, and his ability to be able to transfer after only one year of JC ball, due to his academics.
You don’t mess with the Butte College fighting roadrunners. I think they have about 7 guys in the league right now.
January 11th, 2010 at 11:57 am
time to get back to work. later fellas!
January 11th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Speaking of Thigpen, the KC UFA that I’d rather have is Brodie Croyle. Still young, mobile, and has some starting experience for a very bad offense. He’s a guy that could have a lot more upside in a different system.
Apparently the Chefs are pretty high on him, so expect them to offer a deal to keep him onboard. If anything, getting into a bidding war for him could at least increase his cap hit to the Chefs, which is not a bad thing.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
mcnabb is one of the top 5 qb’s in the game. What hurts mcnabb is a lack of a consistant run game, and very shakey o-line play. You put mcnabb behind the dalls o-line, and he would put up spectacular numbers every week.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Trading the #8 pick for McNabb would actually be a good move for the Raiders.
Reid might consider it. He gets the #8 pick and Kolb can start for him right away.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
It’s Noon the meeting is taking place right now.
I still say get Tyler Thigpen he’s athletic, can scrammble, and has a decent arm. Open competition thats the only way, no one player should get a pass, compete or be 2nd on the depth chart.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 11:57 am
mcnabb reminds me of culpepper
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LOL. yeah and Susan Boyle looks like a swimsuit model
come on man!
both black QB’s. comparison similarities end there
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I disagree here and no need to make a “black QB” thing. They’re both big QBs with real strong arms that used be mobile and now not so much so. Each has had issues with accuracy as they’ve adjusted to being pocket passers and each has taken some serious punishment as they’ve learned to change their game.
I think it’s pretty accurate to say that McNabbs career path seems to be following Culpeppers in a similar pattern, with the exception that McNabb hasn’t started bouncing from team to team yet. And it sounds like he’s about to enter that phase.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Why would anyone think a Tyler Thigpen could be more effective than Bruce Gradkoswki.
Being the QB for the Raiders is one of the hardest places for a QB to have any level of success. Whatever guys do elsewhere, they will be worse here, and vice versa.
Bruce needs to be our man.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
McNabb has been a playoff QB for how many seasons now. There is no comparison, Culpepper had Randy Moss make him look good, McNabb is just good. I would not trade our 1st for him though. If we traded our first for a QB it would be Matt Schaub but only if we upgraded the O-Line.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Thigpen only as cpmpetition Vegas not as a starter but an open competition. No more handouts at any position.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
McNabb, Vick or Thigpen should be on the Raiders next year!
January 11th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Thigpen has more intangibles than the fragile Croyle.
Thigpen has Gannon type of qualities.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
It’s about mobility at the QB position. It allows a group of young WR time to fight off of press coverage and run deeper routes. It also makes a defense use a spy in there scheme witch means 1 less player to worry about blitzing or coverage. Making roll out plays that much more successful.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Why would giving the job at QB to Bruce be a handout?
He came in on a one year deal, worked his ass off to become the starter and than produced as a QB. His teammates love him, and is one of the hardest workers on the team.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Cable loses it:
When informed he was fired by Al Davis, Cable became enraged, slapping Mr.Davis repeatedly about the face.Jim Otto pulled Cable off Davis and beat him senseless.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Because make him keep working, working 1 year doesnt give you a thing. Making him battle is what keeps him good, and what better battle then a QB with his same attributes. I love Gradkowski dude has heart but no more handouts keep him working and if he wants it he will win it.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
thank u zymurge
hey crackstar…. noo. they have nothing in common other than their skin color. damn fool
January 11th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
I would have loved to have seen Gradkowski with Bush at RB.
In Bruce’s 3 starts, Bush had 9 carries total, and Fargas almost had 40.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
And your new Oakland Raiders headcoach is:
A) S. Sarkissian
B) M. Stoops
C) J. Harbaugh
?
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Thigpen isn’t a bad option to throw into the QB mix next year. Gradkowski is a must-sign. Frye I could kind of live with or without. Not a bad backup but probably not a ton of upside — although he did look far better vs. Baltimore than Tom Brady did just one week later.
Troy Smith is a guy I’m really interested who I thought was going to be a FA after this year, but then I read a week or two ago that he’s asking to be traded — which would indicate the team has an option on him for one more year. I’d send them the second of our two 3rd-round picks for him, then enter 2010 with a mix of:
- Gradkowski
- Troy Smith
- Tyler Thigpen
All mobile. All young. All have shown flashes in limited opportunities.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
You have to have a starting QB as your leader durihng the off-season.
This two QB situation never works. Any examples R8dr4lfe21 when a team brings in two QB’s come in for a job and it works well? I am sure there is some but I can’t think of any.
Bruce isn’t going to get lazy on the job. Give him the starting job to lose, and if he loses it he loses it. But he needs to be the starting QB, so he can get guys rallying around him starting in March, not 2 weeks before the season opener.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
True Vegas but that is when Cable knew his O-Line sucked. He had to put Fargas in for blitz pick ups. Cable has to go he failed to realize his O-Line was the problem, he failed to realize his play calling was horrible, and he failed to realize the talent on this team by not benching his kiss a$$es.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
D) Chip Kelly
January 11th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Also,
Whoever the HC is Paul Hackett should be kept around. Gannon and Pennington — two very smart QBs — both say Hackett taught them everything they know. Look at the leap forward Gradkowski and Frye made in their careers this season. JaMarcus is a lost cause so I’ve gotta give Hackett a pass on that one.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Simply telling him the job is his is fine, but he needs to know that he will have to compete to keep Thigpen off of his tail. When the season starts the best man is at QB.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Troy Smith is a guy I’m really interested who I thought was going to be a FA after this year, but then I read a week or two ago that he’s asking to be traded — which would indicate the team has an option on him for one more year. I’d send them the second of our two 3rd-round picks for him, then enter 2010 with a mix of:
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Troy Smith is a RFA. He could be had with a 5th round pick (compensation) and a $ contract that the Ravens won’t match. The contract we offer could be back loaded.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
C. Kelly
or
J. Harbaugh
Curiouser.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
I think Gradkowski motivated Russell more then Hackett did. Gradkowski is a team player i love that. He was coaching Jmac and he was listening. Gotta have Gradkowski, Thigpen and Jmac needs another shot at competing. He and Gradkowski should work together this offseason conditioning and weight training. Cause Gradkowski is Yoked.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Thigpen stinks!!!!! Why would you bring in another young unproven inexperienced qb?!? What sense does that make? We already have 2 of them grads and russell. I agree you must bring in a new qb, to match with the new head guy and oc, but this guy should be a proven pro that can model profeesionalism and preperation for russell. Also this must be a guy that can win now. There are only 2 guys out there that fit this mold. Vick, and culpepper, and vick will sell tix.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
It’s official. MLB Rolando McClain declares for draft.
Read the article below….it says alot about his intangibles, intelligence, experience and leadership for being a junior. This guy should be the Raiders pick at #8 or an OT.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4816604
January 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Hey I am all for competition, but if you bring back Bruce and sign some guy like Thigpen or Smith, what have they done for the organization to warrant the starting job or warrant not naming Bruce the starter?
You have to have a starter. If the other guys are better than you make the move, but the starting QB is the team leader and you need a team leader from March-August, not just starting in September.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
McClain skips senior year for draft
Alabama linebacker Rolando McClain, the centerpiece of the Crimson Tide’s national championship defense, announced Monday that he was skipping his senior season to enter the NFL draft.
McClain won the Butkus Award this season as the top linebacker in college football and led the Crimson Tide in tackles. He was a three-year starter and has been calling the defensive signals since he was a freshman.
Alabama coach Nick Saban has called McClain one of the smartest players he’s ever coached.
“I’m going to leave the university pretty satisfied with what I’ve done here,” McClain said.
Most projections have McClain going in the top half of the first round.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
uh huh…
C. Kelly to coach the Raiders.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
check yr pedigree.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
3-4 defenses will go hard after him, I hope McClain doesnt land in Denver
January 11th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
OK Vegas you win, i dont have a problem with Gradkowski i just wanted competition. But your right we need a leader now. Mystic1 Thigpen has played well when given the chance he beat us a couple years back. His mobility and price are better then what Vick would bring. Not to mention there are teams out there already bidding for Vick.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
just ducky.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
# mistic1 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
There are only 2 guys out there that fit this mold. Vick, and culpepper, and vick will sell tix.
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2 bad choices. Vick is a RB trying to be a QB asnd Culpepper is waaaaay over the hill. Besides, we already saw what Culpepper could do here and it was nothing to write home about. If you want a proven veteran then McNabb would be the target choice. If you’d like a younger prospect with some experience and a lot of upside then you go after Troy Smith RFA, Ravens.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
1.000
January 11th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I definitely agree, that whoever the new head coach turns out to be if Cable is not kept, (hope and pray Harbaugh gets hired) that Hackett is kept as the QB coach.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
duck tales.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I really like what I see in Bruce, R8dr4lfe21, that’s it. If they bring him back, he will work hard and do his best, which is what we can’t say about the previous guy.
I like Bruce, Losman and Frye. Bruce is the starter, Losman is the former first-rounder and Frye the future QB-coach 3rd stringer.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
you heard it from fingerz.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
It’s official. MLB Rolando McClain declares for draft.
Read the article below….it says alot about his intangibles, intelligence, experience and leadership for being a junior. This guy should be the Raiders pick at #8 or an OT.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4816604
January 11th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
I think McLain will be off the board before we pick.
If Suh is off the board, I don’t see the Lions passing on him.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
My list is a bit different i have Gradkowski, Thigpen , and Jmac only cause i dont give up on youngsters so easily.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 11th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
It’s official. MLB Rolando McClain declares for draft.
Read the article below….it says alot about his intangibles, intelligence, experience and leadership for being a junior. This guy should be the Raiders pick at #8 or an OT.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/news/story?id=4816604
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if he is there, we gotta take him…
he really could be a game changer…
a la Ray Lewis…
January 11th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
A dominant MLB like McClain could do a lot for this team for Many years. Just think back on what Ray Lewis has done for the Raven’s D. Ray by himself is manageable but he brings together the WHOLE defense for a very formidable squad. I think McClain plus a few other key D players could also do the same thing. Use our #8 pick for McClain. Then 2-OT, 3A-C, 3BOG, 4, 5A, 5B & 6 on best available athlete (not fastest necessarily) in the DT, CB, DE, PR/KR categories.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Lions need all the help in the world, they could pick anyone, who knows, it could be McClain, but also an OT or Eric Berry, their OL sucks
January 11th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Alabama plays 3-4, McClain is a 3-4 ILB, but I guess he could play also 4-3 for us
January 11th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Are we missing the point? Davis wants to develop Russell, and win now. You don’t bring in another young unproven guy, to get this done. He will struggle, as he learns on the fly, you might as well send Russell back out there if this is the case. That is why you bring in an older proven nfl veteran, with a limited shelf life. We also have to consider the draft in terms of cost of signing your picks. This is why your new veteran qb, must be inexpensive. Finally, if davis brings in trestman, you need a guy with expeirnce in that sort of passing offense, Vick and Culpepper, fit the bill there. When culpepper was here he was still not over his injured knee. Vick is not an rb playing qb. he is a proven winner at his position, and like most so called mobile guys, the passing game evolves for them as they lose some of the speed and quickness in thier running ability. See Elway, Young, Moon, Cunningham, and Mcnair for reference.People become enamored or mesmerized by the spectacular things the guys do with thier legs, and underestimate, or discount their passing ability. This is an unfair stigma attched to most running qb’s, including vick.Remember the falcons were a running team, and were not built for a high flying passing attack win vick was there.
January 11th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Hey Plunketthead….Ha Big Al tweeted you yet?
January 11th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Lets take a look if McClain will be there when the Raiders pick then:
1.St. Louis (1-15)- Clausen or Suh
2.Detroit (2-14)- Suh, Okung, or Berry
3.Tampa Bay (3-13)- McCoy or Berry
4.Washington (4-12)- Clausen, Okung, or Bradford
5.Kansas City (4-12)- Berry, Haden, Campbell, McClain or Bryant
6.Seattle (5-11)- Okung, Campbell, Davis, T. Williams or Morgan
7.Cleveland (5-11)- Berry, Haden, Bradford or Bryant
8.Oakland (5-11)- Hopefully McClain or a top OT
9.Buffalo (6-10)
10.Jacksonville^ (
In conclusion, I think only 1 team may take a look at McClain hard before the Raiders at #8 and it’s a dreaded division rival. The Queefs! Ugh…..
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