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UPDATED: Hurry up and wait . . .

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, January 11th, 2010 at 12:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.

No news out of Alameda as yet, where coach Tom Cable is supposed to meet with Al Davis and presumably be informed his tenure as the 17th coach of the Raiders has ended after winning nine times in 28 games.

Of course, events seldom transpire in a timely manner where the Raiders are concerned.

Raiders senior executive John Herrera said “it’s been a very quiet day” and wasn’t aware of a meeting between Davis and Cable today.

During his season-ending press conference, the day after a 21-13 loss to Baltimore, Cable said he talked to Davis that morning and added “We’ll talk again next week.”

When asked if it would be Monday, Cable said, “Sometime next week.”

Will check in with more information as (or if) it becomes available . . .

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  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    They Ran the ball.

  • RaiderD

    CaptainBlack Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
    D, you Dog…..
    ++++++++++++++

    Dont give me that high and mighty Cap u were there too!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Trade DMAC for a new post!

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Cable problem was that he tried to please Al Davis too much.

    I had an argument with that idiot Captain Black yesterday about the great Raider teams of the past and their M.O.

    The only time when they passed more than they ran was 63-65′ when Al Davis was Coaching.

    Al Davis trying to make a name for himself by appropriating Sid Gillman’s game.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Cable’s problem was that he tried to please Al Davis too much.

    I had an argument with that idiot Captain Black yesterday about the great Raider teams of the past and their M.O.

    The only time when they passed more than they ran was 63-65′ when Al Davis was Coaching.

    2009, 485 passing attempts, 410 Rushing attempts.

    With 2 rookie WR’s.

    But Al Davis is such a chickenshyt, he’ll throw his puppet under the bus.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    When Davis had his other puppet, Art Shell in 06′ They were pass happy again

    483 pass attempts
    394 rush attempts

    and all the sacks.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2006.htm

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Good work on the research last night Kool, I did see it.

    What’s with Al and his pass-happiness? Revisions of Sid Gillman?

    If you have a GREAT QB you can pass more. We don’t even have GOOD QB’s.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    What’s with Al and his pass-happiness? Revisions of Sid Gillman?
    —————————
    Vegas,

    Married to ideology. You feeling me? ;-)

  • Nnamdi21

    KK

    Al Davis trying to make a name for himself by appropriating Sid Gillman’s game.

    =======================

    TRYING?!

    3 super bowl titles later…

    Yeah, its been faaaar too long since we’ve been competetive but c’mon, seriously….

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Excellent statistics Kell.

    I agree with you 100% concerning Al Davis’ buffoonery for the last 25 years. Completely and totally unacceptable performance.

    With that said, I don’t like Tom Cable’s coaching style. The marginalization of Michael Bush is unforgiveable to me. Bush can be a 1200 yard back and can catch the ball. Yet Cable CLEARLY played favorites with mediocre Justin Fargas. Fargas is a backup running back.

    I know what this team is all about in Oakland with Davis calling the shots the way he does. But I am hoping, and that’s all we have, that a competent coach can at least get some of the right players on the field. Namely Michael Bush. He is the key to this team being competitive. We can’t pass…and that likely doesn’t change next year and DMAC/Fargas are plodding running backs.

    Feed Bush, throw about 15x a game, and develop a run defense to keep the score manageable. Maybe we can be competitive in more games than not

  • mistic1

    Davis is not the only pro gilman off shoot. You van include the west coast offense as a shortened version of gilman’s scheme using more slants then vertical routes. Also the passing style spread / run and shoot are also derivatives of gilmans scheme. So for everyone that says Davis’s philosophies are behind the times, in actuality people are still trying to catch up with it….all over this league and in the college ranks.

  • Nnamdi21

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
    Anyone see how the Jets and Ravens protected their young QBs….not saying that JaDavis is capable of getting anywhere close to those guys…but perhaps a little more focus on the running game when the passing game is struggling might have been a good idea.

    Hence, why Cable’s job should be in jeapordy.

    Of course the RAiders need a new GM…but we all know that’s not happening

    ===============================

    You mean focus on the run game behind a line consisting of Morris, Satele, Carlisle and Green? Lot of injuries and scrubs on the field in case you forgot. Factor that in and consider Oakland probably was at the bottom of the pile in offensive plays ran and viola’.
    Pretty sure DMC and Farg were injured this year too.
    I think you’re right that there needs to be focus on the Raider ground game, but there needs to be some new line men next year.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Trade DMAC for pass-happy revisions of Sid Gillman!

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    Feed Bush, throw about 15x a game, and develop a run defense to keep the score manageable. Maybe we can be competitive in more games than not

    *****************************************

    That should have been the mentality approaching the 2007 NFL Draft. Instead we take Jamarcus, Darren and DHB and Al has some goofy visions of becoming the Dan Fouts Chargers or something.

    Set the franchise back years. In a business sense, they need to cut the fat and start over just like the way you see.

    Bruce, Bush and some O-line help, with a 1st rounder on our Defensive front 7. I would be real happy with that, even if Cable is still the HC.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    KoolKell Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
    Vegas,

    Married to ideology. You feeling me?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    EEEWWW. In a seven word to post to another guy, KK mentions marriage and “feeling him”

  • Nnamdi21

    KoolKell Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
    When Davis had his other puppet, Art Shell in 06′ They were pass happy again

    483 pass attempts
    394 rush attempts

    and all the sacks.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/2006.htm

    ==================================

    Try not to be such and idiot.

    The Raiders HAD to throw the ball more because they were BEHIND.

    2009

    410 rush 485 pass

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Remember that good ole boy Bum Phillips, Coach of the Houston Oilers?

    Talking about Don Shula, he said “He’ll take his’n and beat your’n. then he’ll take your’n and beat his’n.”

    In other words you coach the players you have, don’t force an ideology on them. Teach them to do what they do best.

  • http://www.us.army.mil/ texguy

    Charged Up For Superbowl Victory Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
    Adios fools! I have to go rock out with my band.

    Charged up’s band is a village people tribute band.

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    Just heard gilbride is considering taking the O coordinator job for the bears, if he’s willing to take a coordinators job for thye bears I don’t see why al wouldn’t consider offering gilbride the coordinators job here with the raiders keeping cable, killing to birds with one stone. This way the players and fans are kept happy and we have some continuity and al gets his play caller all in the same woo wop.

  • mistic1

    Are people anti gilman on this post? The pats dynasyty, the rams greatest show on turf, the walsh niners, the farve led packers, the tampa bucs super bowl run, the 09 saints, 09 vikings, and the two broncos superbowl winners. These are a few examples of the gilman /davis offense. Pretty damn good.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    These are a few examples of the gilman /davis offense. Pretty damn good.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    LOL.

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Try not to be such and idiot.

    The Raiders HAD to throw the ball more because they were BEHIND.
    ——————————-
    Nnamdi, are you going to show some common respect, or do I have to abuse your punk ass too?

  • spellcheck

    Nnamdi…don’t sweat that intellectually challenged real estate pansie

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    I’m not against a pass-first offense if you have a great QB. No problem when Rich was throwing 40+ passes a game.

    I am against Al trying to have Jamarcus and DHB play the role of Dan Fouts and Lance Alworth.

    You have to play to your strengths. We have the worst run D. We should have started every game trying to stay close, play the field position and such.

    Instead we dropping Jamarcus back in the shadow of his own goal posts throwing INT’s and fumbling. It was horrendous game management.

  • http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png 408RAIDER

    village people tribute band<—— Ha!

  • http://www.Move2Alameda.com KoolKell

    Al Davis record as head coach was 16-9.

    The Great Raider years were under Madden, and they pounded the ball, converted on 3rd down with Freddy B, and set up the long ball.

    Bo Chimp, you wouldn’t know a damned thing about it.

  • http://www.raiderfans.net Richochet

    # CaptainBlack Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Charged Up for Superbowl Victory Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
    Captain Black, if you saw my mom, you would want to do her. She has a nice rack.
    ____________________________________
    And puzzy, too
    =============================

    Richochet: You tried to get banned again, OakGlenn?
    Why is it every time the meekest of the meek, the weakest of the weak, and the true cotton balls of the board get slapped down, they believe getting banned saves face?

    It doesn’t.
    Just makes you look pathetic.

    HEY..I know…”how can someone tell when you’re not looking pathetic”? They can’t.
    Doesn’t mean you have to try and perfect the fine art..does it?

  • Thec07

    Winston Moss to be Raiders new HC????

  • r8eray

    Good Evening Raider Nation!

  • M Lonetree

    Has any head coach of the Raiders, whether while as coach or afterward in the past 40 years, ever stated uncategorically that Al Davis game-planned the offensive side of the ball? I don’t recall ever hearing any such thing.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Nnamdi21,

    Part of the reason this team was always behind was because of turnovers and multiple 3 and outs….the Raiders needed to take a page out of Kiffin’s handbook and just pound the rock no matter what.

    Sure, some games just won’t work out…especially if the defense is getting smashed….the Raiders should have been trying to smash the ball against the Broncos, Texans, Jets, Redskins, Chiefs, Chargers etc…

    Listen…WE CAN’T PASS THE BALL. Al Davis hasn’t developed a decent QB in 40 years….it is what it is…like KoolKell is pointing out…this team is at its best when it focuses on the run and minimizes the passing attack.

    Even if the O-Line is struggling…gotta keep running it.

    Until Al Davis turns over drafting and hires real coaches…the above is the only chance this team has to win!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    KoolKell Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Bo Chimp, you wouldn’t know a damned thing about it.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    More monkey/intelligence refernces Archie?

  • Thec07

    Who said it was Mr. Davis job to develop anything?
    Mr. avis is in capable of developing anything because the game of NFL football has sailed past the 70′s long time ago…. If he can somehoe get ot of the time warp,
    Hire a GM, and let the GM restructure the org like any
    CEO would then we are talking. Otherwise we will continue to be 4-12, 5-11, 6-10 at best……

  • SnakeStabler

    Winston Moss
    Assistant Head Coach/Inside Linebackers

    11th NFL Season
    Fourth Packers Season

    Entering his 22nd season in the National Football League and fourth with the Packers, Winston Moss begins his third year in the role of assistant head coach with inside linebacker responsibilities for the first time in ’09.

    Named to the current post by Head Coach Mike McCarthy on Jan. 15, 2007, Moss impressed McCarthy with his leadership skills when the two worked together for five seasons in New Orleans and again in 2006 in Green Bay. The 43-year-old Moss continues to coach the linebackers as well, his original duty upon joining the Packers. His position responsibility was modified to inside linebackers this year with the switch to a 3-4 defense and the addition of outside linebackers coach Kevin Greene to the staff in 2009.

    In 2008, with the addition of free-agent signee Brandon Chillar and the continued development of Desmond Bishop, Moss had his deepest linebacking corps in Green Bay to date, and it was needed when veteran Nick Barnett was lost for the season to a knee injury in Week 10. A.J. Hawk made a rather seamless transition to middle linebacker to fill Barnett’s spot, while Bishop and Chillar both contributed at Hawk’s former weak-side position.

    The previous year, Moss helped Barnett continue his progression from steady performer to true team leader with a Pro Bowl-caliber year. Barnett was named second-team All-Pro after leading the Packers in tackles for the fourth time in five seasons and posting a career-high 3 sacks along with two interceptions and numerous big plays late in games.

    Meanwhile, Moss continues to develop the talented Hawk, who earned All-Rookie honors in 2006 when he led the team with 155 tackles. He’s also overseen the maturation of Brady Poppinga through his conversion from a college defensive end into a solid strong-side linebacker, a responsibility that now falls to Greene in his new role.

    Moss spent six seasons total with the Saints, where he also coached linebackers. Originally hired by the Saints in 2000 as defensive assistant/quality control, he was promoted to linebackers coach near the end of that season to replace John Bunting, who departed to become head coach at the University of North Carolina.

    Moss began his coaching career in 1998 as a defensive quality control assistant for the Seattle Seahawks, the club where he played his final NFL season.

    A veteran of 11 seasons and 155 NFL games (146 starts), the former linebacker played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1987-90) and the Los Angeles Raiders (1991-94), in addition to the Seahawks (1995-97). Over the course of his career, Moss recorded 768 tackles, 20 sacks and six interceptions, and recovered one fumble for a TD.

    In 1993, when he led the Raiders in tackles on a team that advanced to the AFC Divisional playoffs, he earned the Ed Block Courage Award after a vote of his teammates. Moss also was a three-time defensive captain and received the 1996 NFL Players Association Unsung Hero Award while with the Seahawks.

    A four-time letterman at the University of Miami (Fla.), he and current Packers scout Alonzo Highsmith helped the Hurricanes to the national championship after the 1983 season under Howard Schnellenberger.

    As a prep, Moss attended Miami (Fla.) Southridge High School and was an all-state linebacker.

    Born in Miami, Fla., Winston and his wife, Zoila, have three sons, Winston Jr., 15, Robert, 10, and Marcus, 7, and two daughters, Victoria, 14, and Isabella, 1. In his spare time, Moss enjoys spending time with his family and playing golf.

  • Rayda23059

    Any vegas odds on Cables replacement?

  • Thec07

    Hire Reggie Mckenzie as GM
    Hire Winston Moss as HC

    Fire Herrea, trask, taylor, and the janitor service at Alameda…..

    Mr. Davis retire….

  • http://i41.tinypic.com/eb53t3.jpg Lynn from Snot
  • Thec07

    Rayda23059 Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
    Any vegas odds on Cables replacement?

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Funny I went looking for it but could not find anything…

  • Raider guy

    Why the moss talk?

  • Thec07

    Why not?

  • Raider guy

    Good point

  • Thec07
  • Thec07

    GM McKenzie
    HC Moss
    These two have a solid history as they both are with GB…..

    Pilage the packers….

    Wishful thinking as a new GM would go against the grain of illogical moves by Mr. Davis…..

  • http://tada Florida Pete

    from PFT

    Per a league source, Davis currently consults with senior executive John Herrera, director of college scouting Jon Kingdon, and general counsel Jeff Birren. That trio primarily tells Davis what they think Davis wants to hear. So if Davis wants to fire Cable, they’ll support it. And if Davis doesn’t want to fire Cable, they’ll support it.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    !

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    I think Moss was just a perfunctory Rooney rule interviewee, like Lofton before him.

    Speaking of Lofton, I heard him do commentary on Westwood One radio yesterday – glad we didn’t hire him for HC. Seemed mechanical and passion-less.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    What a dud of a day.

    I thought we would get somewhere today. Instead we get a few words from the philosopher John Herrera.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Florida Pete Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
    from PFT

    Per a league source, Davis currently consults with senior executive John Herrera, director of college scouting Jon Kingdon…

    “”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"”"

    Jon Kingdon = Dakota. DMAC = bust.

  • DKnight007

    # KoolKell Says:
    January 11th, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Al Davis,

    Firing Cable and bringing in Gilbride or Fassell will NOT stop the Blackouts!

    ^^^^^^^^^
    True!

  • Thec07

    senior executive John Herrera, director of college scouting Jon Kingdon, and general counsel Jeff Birren. That trio
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==

    Needs to be fired period…. Jon Kingdon the man behind the DHB pick…. Mr. Davis Should fire him….

  • Raider guy

    Didn’t GB deny him the opportunity to be the dc? Funny how my mind works, again, different coaches start to seem like they might turn this thing around. I remember thinking that about Shanahan when he replaced Flores. I am a lot more cynical now