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Raiders live chat on Tuesday, with a new twist

By Jon Becker
Monday, January 18th, 2010 at 7:37 pm in Live chats, Oakland Raiders.

Assuming we hit Day 16 since the end of the regular season and the Raiders haven’t made a definitive statement regarding Tom Cable’s employment, let’s try a different tack with Tuesday’s weekly chat at noon.

Instead of answering the same question several different ways, tell me what you think. Then I’ll tell you whether I think you’re right or wrong. If I’ve written something you think is particularly stupid, have at it. If there’s something I’ve overlooked, tell me what it is and I’ll either defend myself or agree.

Let’s make this week about what you think _ and I’ll chime in. When it comes to what Al Davis is going to do, your guess is probably as good as mine, anyway.

– Jerry McDonald

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  • jhill

    Was Cooper Carlisle the only REAL guard we had on the roster last year?

    I wonder if Gallery will get a look at OT when Cable is out of here?

  • jhill

    Well he certainly looked better than Cornell Green when he started at RT for those 9 games.

  • 01rdrfan

    Even if we have a great draft this year I think it will take atleast 3 years to get back to respectablity in the league if we get rid of the coaching staff. Same ole $h!t, different toilet!!!

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    Was Gary Russell and John Holland REALLY the best options Cable could think of to return kicks? I really doubt it was Al’s decision to keep the faith on a Nick Miller return.

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    If thats the case fire the special teams coach, because tom is control of every thing. Fire marshall as well too. Cables responsible for everything right?? Last year higgins was a threat on punt returns, our specials teams coach leaves and all of a sudden higgins production dwindles. Cables not responsible for evrything wrong with this team like you make it out to be. The man was coaching the line calling plays etc a head coach can only do so much thats what you have assistant coaches for.

  • Seymour Bush

    # Tom cables pimp hand Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Why are so many guys on Tom Cable’s team out of shape?

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    Does al allow any coach to discipline??? So no matter who coaches that won’t change
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    When have you EVER seen Raider teams being conditioned?

  • DMAC

    Let’s move Walker to RG permenantly and pick up a RT and a Center.

  • jhill

    The D stacked the line, because they knew we were’nt a threat to throw the ball.

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    You’re right about that. With DHB and Murphy starting at WR, and an Oline made up of Pears, Morris, Carlisle, and Satele … what team would be able to pass?

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    Gallery credits cable for his ressurection. Carlisle is aging and he’s not brett favre , which means hes not playing better as he ages. sho signs players??? Al brings in players like dhb and refuses to bring in real o-lineman, No coach will be successful with the combo of carlisle and green. Henderson should be a RT.

  • DMAC

    They passed much better w/ Grads and basically the same players w/ the exception of DHB.

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    typo so who signs players

  • jhill

    Cables not responsible for evrything wrong with this team like you make it out to be.

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    Right, it’s Jamarcus Russell’s fault. I forgot, lol!

    So are you saying that Cable ISNT responsible for Russell and Holland returning kicks? You don’t think that is something the HC should look at and say we need an upgrade? Are you REALLY cool with the way the Cable kept Miller on the roster all year and went with “interim” return guys?

  • M Lonetree

    I know that some in here have blamed F%$king Fargas! for all the teams woes, but I think it is all on Javon Walker.
    If Walker hadn’t done his Vegas he might’ve caught 40 balls and 3 TDs over the past two years meaning the Raiders might’ve reached 6 wins dammit!

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    DMAC Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 11:02 am
    They passed much better w/ Grads and basically the same players w/ the exception of DHB.

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    Thank you Dmac… Its just jamarcus throws too hard, drew brees throws an accurate catchable ball. I mean jamarcus throws 5yrd bullets for crying out loud… Whos gonna catch that??

  • M Lonetree

    Javon or Nick Miller. The redacted promise of that dynamo Nicky would’ve completely changed the complexion of a 5 win team into a 6 win team! Dammit!

  • The Judge

    Gary Russell returned kicks for the Pittsburgh Steeler team last year when they won the super bowl. So, maybe not a horrible call.

  • Seymour Bush

    # jhill Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Can anyone tell me why we cut Paul Mcquistan?
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    not a system fit

  • jhill

    Al signs players that his coaches want. Cable is the ZBS guy, not Al Davis. We have nothing but ZBS guys on the squad until Al brought back an old power blocker in Langston Walker.

    Barnes breaking his leg MIGHT have been a real set back. Too bad we didn’t get to see him battle it out with Henderson with the loser getting the RT spot. Could’ve moved Cornbread to RG.

  • DMAC

    People started to respect the pass a little bit more and that’s the main reason Bush, finally had lanes to run through.

  • M Lonetree

    Or Barrett Robbins. It’s all been downhill since that day.
    Hire Robbins as HC. Might make for some interesting press conferences.

  • DMAC

    Al brought him back or Cable? We both don’t know that. We assume.

  • jhill

    DMAC Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 11:02 am

    They passed much better w/ Grads and basically the same players w/ the exception of DHB.

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    That’s BS!

    Basically the same players?????

    JLH and Chaz starting at WR are NOT basically the same as DHB and Murphy starting with Watkins the #3.

    Morris at G is NOT the same as Gallery at G

    Erik Pears and Barnes were WORSE than Cornell Green if you can actually believe that.

    Basically the same players? LMFAO!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Farking Walker!

  • Norco Bob

    Keep The Cable Guy.

  • DMAC

    Same players dog!

  • DMAC

    Gallery was reinjured.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Trade DMAC for the redacted promise of that dynamo Nicky!

  • DMAC

    If your going trade me. Let’s make a deal for Marshawn Lynch.

  • M Lonetree

    BoSJack,

    LMAO!

  • jhill

    I mean jamarcus throws 5yrd bullets for crying out loud… Whos gonna catch that??

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    Chaz and JLH have no problem catching his passes. Did you catch the Denver game? How about the Baltimore game? Too bad Henderson could block someone or we might have won the Baltimore game.Neither do Zack Miller, Meyers, or any of the running backs. Of, And Murphy cathces his passes too. Might have something to do with him hanging out with Russell this summer?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Nice diction Lonetree…

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    So are you saying that Cable ISNT responsible for Russell and Holland returning kicks? You don’t think that is something the HC should look at and say we need an upgrade? Are you REALLY cool with the way the Cable kept Miller on the roster all year and went with “interim” return guys?

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    Yes Im cool with it because him keeping miller on the roster wasn’t a reason we lost games. Yes we could have signed rossum and got a better return man but thats on scout staff and personell men to search for better replacements. You don’t fire a coach because he didn’t sign a returnman wtf, and al wanted jamarcus starting this season and you know that. Everybody knew garcia was the raiders best chance to win in camp, thats why cable brought him along im sure if cable was coaching on any other team he would have jamarcus on the bench ath the beginning of the season but our owner believes “jamarcus russel is a great player, get over it.” But Im done trying to tell you bout cable because your mind is not going to change and neither is mine. But I think cable is solid coach. There’s a reason 80% of fans feel he should get a second chance.

  • DMAC

    Dude, Jaskittle sux.

  • M Lonetree

    DMAC,

    Da kine thinkin’.

  • jhill

    Gallery was reinjured in the Pittsburgh game and Walker came in for him at G. Satele was on the bench and so were Pears and Barnes. Oh, and so were DHB, and Watkins.

    Not the same players, dogg!

  • DMAC

    Same players. I’m done responding to that topic.

  • Seymour Bush

    Jhill is right. The passing offense started to move once the following things happened:
    1) Jamarcus got benched
    2) Gallery Came Back
    3) DHB got benched
    4) Shilens came back

    To put it all on Jamarcus is short sighted at best. Once Gallery got reinjured we dropped three of our last four games.

  • jhill

    DMAC Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 11:15 am

    Dude, Jaskittle sux.

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    LOL.

    Ok man.

    But so does 3/5ths of our Oline and 3/5ths of our WRs, lol.

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    Chaz and JLH have no problem catching his passes. Did you catch the Denver game? How about the Baltimore game? Too bad Henderson could block someone or we might have won the Baltimore game.Neither do Zack Miller, Meyers, or any of the running backs. Of, And Murphy cathces his passes too. Might have something to do with him hanging out with Russell this summer?

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    Ive seen murphy drop plenty of ja-off the marcus balls, and he dosen’t even believe in jamarcus, and neither does chaz, nor zach, and why is that??? because he can’t throw. Jamarcus is a bum I hope you’re not trying to make a case for him… I’d find it real backwards if you back russel but bash cable.smh

  • bcz24

    Until we win more than 5 games I say the entire team, from the practice squaders all the way up to the own SUCKS!

  • RaiderRockstar

    SD got Norv’d !

    LOL. I wonder how many dolt players will elect to leave this offseason?

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Tom cables pimp hand Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 10:25 am

    What the players say matters because at the end of the day like micheal jordan said “its the players who win championships, the owners and all others just pay us”.

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    Jordan said that to insult the Bulls’ owner, who everyone hated. That’s all. There’s nothing going on with the Raiders right now where that quote by Jordan could be applied.

  • jhill

    DMAC Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 11:17 am

    Same players. I’m done responding to that topic.

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    Of course you are, lol!

    McFadden got hurt in the Texans game, and we got stuck with Fargas, right or wrong?

    Gallery went down in week 2 and didn’t come back until Grads started, right or wrong?

    Green was hurt early and Pears and Barnes started in his place, right or wrong?

    Who started at RT in the Jets game, lol!

    Was JLH hurt or starting early in the season? Who was the QB when JLH started his first game? Chaz?

    LOL at your same players argument. You don’t have one on that topic so yeah, you should be done with it.

    If Russell is as bad as you say he is, you should be able to make an argument for it without making stuff up, lol!

  • DMAC

    O’line also sux, but at least Grads did’t get his receivers killed played after play. JLH was terrified after that hit he took. Guess who threw the pass? Don’t even ask about Z. Miller in the Redskins game.

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    bcz24 Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 11:19 am
    Until we win more than 5 games I say the entire team, from the practice squaders all the way up to the own SUCKS!
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    lol. Wel if they’re on the practice squad I could only imagine they would suck.lol And the cheerleaders too, trust me I know one.hahaha Fire head

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    The 3 and half games with Bruce in:

    Cincy-20 points, seabass missed a 40 yarder, got the gifts 3 points, but two 80+ yards TD drives. Only game all year we did that.

    Dallas-Not a good game. 7 points, not our worst offensive game, but fairly close. Short week, on the road in Dallas

    Steelers-Best offensive games all year, best passing game in years, and best 4th quarter EVER

    Redskins (half)- 10 points, which at the time, tied our season high for points in the first half.

    Why do people say Bruce only had one good quarter? He only had one bad game.

  • DMAC

    You want Cable gone, but you support Russell? Get real!

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    DKnight007 Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Nnamdi Asomougha was on ESPN’s First Take this morning (with the scary bioootch Dana Jacobsen) saying how allowing Cable to return as head coach would give the players much needed continuity (especially on the offensive side of the ball with playbook terminology) and confidence into next season.

    …………….

    If Nnamdi meant that, he should be cut. Surely he understands that in the NFL going from 5-11 to 5-11 is not acceptable.

  • Tom cables pimp hand

    Jordan said that to insult the Bulls’ owner, who everyone hated. That’s all. There’s nothing going on with the Raiders right now where that quote by Jordan could be applied.

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    Naw my point was players opinions do matter because they’re the ones playing. Somebody said their opinions don’t matter at all like they’re just robots or some ish.

  • jhill

    Jamarcus is a bum I hope you’re not trying to make a case for him… I’d find it real backwards if you back russel but bash cable.smh

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    What does smh mean?

    Tom Cable was worse as an OC than Russell was as a QB, IMO. But I will say they were both awful.

    I really don’t blame anyone specific. I saw this coming when Chaz went down in the preseason. I knew Miller and Chaz would be sure targets for Russell that would compliment the running game. Once Chaz, Miller, and Gallery went down, it was already over, IMO. Pears and Barnes at OT?

    We all know Russell is no Peyton Manning. The exact way the Jets are playing with Sanchez is how our offense should have been DESIGNED. You even saw Cable forcing the air show when Russell was benched and it STILL didn’t work.

    The notion that this team would have done anything weeks 3-9 with a different QB and all the injuries we had is absurd.

  • Seymour Bush

    vegas raider Says:
    January 19th, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Steelers-Best offensive games all year, best passing game in years, and best 4th quarter EVER
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    I love Bruce Gradkowski, but if you remember on the game winning drive a Pitt DB dropped a sure INT that was thrown RIGHT to him. Murphy then went up among THREE defenders and brought a very ill advised ball down which NEVER happened with Russell. If neither of those two fluke things happened 99% of you would be cursing Gradkowski just like you all curse Tom Brady and the tuck game.