Jackson does Harbor Bay Parkway
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, January 20th, 2010 at 8:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.
With all the conflicting accounts of another typical offseason for the Raiders, one thing is for sure _ Hue Jackson was in Alameda, talking to team officials.
Assume that Al Davis was among them if you want, but at this point, with all the reports, denials and non-denials, it’s hard to know what’s up with the Raiders.
The Jackson visit, I’m assured, is a lock.
So where does that leave us?
First, Jackson wouldn’t be in the building if he’s not a serious candidate to be something. Since John Herrera said earlier today the Raiders have interviewed no head coaching candidates but have fielded calls from assistants, we’ll assume the reports about him being interviewed as a candidate for offensive coordinator are accurate.
Whether Jackson is under contract or not doesn’t matter much. The Ravens simply deny permission if he’s under contract, or perhaps they’ve already agreed in writing he could leave for a coordinator’s spot. He’s not here unless he’s available to be hired.
Jackson has considerable experience as an offensive coach. He coached running backs for the Redskins in 2001-02, was the Redskins offensive coordinator in 2003, coached wide receivers in Cincinnati from 2004-06 and was offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons in 2007.
With the Falcons, the line coach was Tom Cable. When Jackson was on the staff at Cal in 1996, Cable was the line coach.
Correction: Cable was with the Raiders in 2007. Jackson and Cable worked together only at Cal.
So it’s not a reach to think Jackson could be the new offensive brain-trust on a Cable-coached team. Or that Davis is at least examining the possibility.
In that scenario, if the Raiders were to again stumble out of the gate, Jackson could take over as head coach. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves, as we media-types are prone to do during yearly coaching searches.
As for all the Raiders denials about not talking to Fassel, Trestman, Harbaugh, etc., about the head coaching job?
In their favor is the fact they haven’t operated that way in the past, or at least since they returned to Oakland. The real “interviews” came after the head coach was fired.
On the other hand, every team in the NFL has ways of reaching out to prospective candidates should they dump their coach. That’s not the same as an interview. It’s more along the lines of, “In a hypothetical situation, if we fire our coach, are you interested or not?”
Every team has a front office to do those kinds of things. The Raiders? Not so much. Although it’s not impossible, I’m guessing if Davis wants to gauge the interest of someone like Jim Harbaugh, he calls himself, rather than having Mike Taylor or John Herrera do it.
And even those conversations leave a lot unsaid. Linebackers coach Don Martindale was convinced after a lengthy interview with Davis last season he was under consideration to be the head coach. The Raiders, by way of a Herrera statement after the fact, said he wasn’t.
Jon Gruden said he never remembers even being told he had the job. Lane Kiffin said he and Davis talked and the only thing he was asked is, “Well, do you like us?” Then he was taken away with lawyers to work out a contract.
The Raiders offered the job to Dallas assistant Sean Payton in 2004 and USC assistant coach Steve Sarkisian in 2007, only to flatly deny it when Norv Turner and Kiffin were hired. Even people who work in the building, when their guard is down, will admit as much.
So pick a side to believe and cross your fingers.
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January 20th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Hue Jackson as Asst Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator works for me!
January 20th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Still fire the cable goon…
January 20th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Jhill, what up Brother….
January 20th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
ah, never a dull moment in raiderland.
it’s crazy to think that oakland may very well end up with 5 guys (miller and seymour) going to the probowl after sunday. you can so see big al using those bogus probowl selection numbers as evidence of continued raider greatness and his still capable eye to pick talent. nevermind that by the time to actual game rolls around from the time probowl rosters are first announced third string beer league guys are being picked as replacements for everyone who is dropping because of real injury or a sudden and narly case of toe jam.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
SCREW JACKSON:
I wants me some Gruden…
http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/2749.html
January 20th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
We do need a OC.
If Jackson is the choice atleast he is familar with cable.
Hope cable is still the head coach here in that case.
Until further news.
I’ll be drinking more of the raider koolaid hoping mr. Davis plan works out great for us.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:40 pm
I cant take any more of this, its ruining my life, my therapist advised me to go support another team,…hmm,…I wonder if my life would greatly improve if the Raiders went from 5-11, to say 11-5…I should have asked. Next week.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
Lets look at the positives:
It appears Cable won’t be calling plays next year.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Hope Hue Jackson can convince Al/Cable to scrap the zone blocking and go power.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Lets really look at the positives:
It appears Justfukdus Russell won’t be starting next season since Cable is staying.
I am sure Al’s decision on Cable rest with the ability to get a quality OC under contract.
No OC – No Cable
January 20th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Another day in the world of double negatives and plausible denials.
I think Al has a list of 20 head coaches taped to the dart board in his office. He jsut lacks the arm strength to throw the dart.
AL:” Smithers, get in here and help me throw this blasted thing.”
HERRERA:”Yes, Mr.Davis.”
January 20th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
# Raider O Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
MR,
Not an order. I read a post that said jerry should do a thread about the draft, so I wanted to talk about the draft since nothing else is going on as far as the HC job.
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Nothing’s going on with the HC job? Herrera spoke today and couldn’t just say that Cable will remain the head coach. If you don’t want to speculate on the coaching situation, that’s fine. But don’t give orders to those of us who do.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Raider75 Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Lets really look at the positives:
It appears Justfukdus Russell won’t be starting next season since Cable is staying.
I am sure Al’s decision on Cable rest with the ability to get a quality OC under contract.
No OC – No Cable
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I’m sure someone like Harbaugh would want run the whole show, and not just be an OC for Cable.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Hue Jackson is an awful coach, the mere suggestion is ridiculous. Naturally, he’s reportedly interviewing for our head coaching job.
Just one more insult on the heap.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
I’m confused here. Thought Jackson coming on board was for Russell to be the man. Cable keeping Russell benched defeats the purpose of bringing in Jackson. Tollner and Hackett did good job with Gradkowski. No need for Jackson if Gradkowski is the man.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Raider75 Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Lets really look at the positives:
It appears Justfukdus Russell won’t be starting next season since Cable is staying.
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How do you know Cable is staying? Herrera spoke today and could have put this whole thing to rest with two words: “Cable’s staying”. He said no such thing. Either something’s in the works or the Raiders are hijacking the press for attention, which is sad considering their priority right now should be building winning football teams, not staying in the news.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
The Raiders matter to the NFL. I’ve seen more coverage of the Raiders on ESPN than the Saints since Sunday.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
# NancyGayFan Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
SCREW JACKSON:
I wants me some Gruden…
http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/2749.html
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Yes, Gannon evidently did an interview tonight and had some things to say. From the link above:
‘Here are his thoughts on the what’s happening with Tom Cable and the coaching saga:
I can’t tell you that anything surprises me out in Oakland. I know that some of the decisions they have made have been probably, leaving you scratching your head, There’s a reason why they’ve gone seven straight season where they’ve lost 11 or more games. You got a guy on the coaching staff right now – Tom Cable – and your bringing in other coaches. They don’t allow him to pick his own coaching staff. Al [Davis] is probably going to go out and hire an offensive coordinator, someone to coach the quarterback – JaMarcus Russell – Al thinks this guy has a bright future in the league. And you know, its tough. It’s a tough situation to work in and when you look at the results, you have to question whether or not they are making the right decisions.
On JaMarcus Russell and how Cable could lose credibility by sticking with the young passer if he doesn’t feel he is the answer:
You have to tell him how you feel. I think what’s at stake here it’s the fact that you may start to lose your football team. These guys, they work hard every day, they put a lot of time in and they want to win and when you put a guy out there who is not ready to play, is not prepared, doesn’t work necessarily to put himself in a position to have a chance to be successful then you start, then the players start looking at the coaches and saying ‘hey, put the other guy in.’ The guy that gives us a chance. When you go back to the same guy, because the owner wants him to play, then you lose your credibility in the locker room, you lose your credibility with your players and that becomes a problem for a coach.
On him helping the Raiders in any way:
I absolutely have no problems with Al. I think there is obviously a philosophical difference of opinion on what needs to get done an obviously, he’s the owner and I’m not. But he and I have agreed to disagree on a number of occasions even when I was playing there we didn’t agree on a lot of things, but I think he respected the fact that I took a stand and that I was a guy committed to do the work necessary to help turn the thing around. I believe I left the place in better shape than what I found it. My purpose of calling Al was just to reach out and he used to call me in the past and I was willing to go out and help JaMarcus, or anybody, in any way that I could. Look, its important to me to see that team play well. I think I have a vested interest. I spent six years of my career out there. I helped turn it around. You know, I still have teammates out there, people that work in the building, some coaches I know and the trainers, the equipment guys that…I want to see them win. I’m not looking to coach. I’m not looking to be in management – I’ve been offered positions by other organizations, it’s just a gesture on my part to reach out to a young quarterback that has really struggled and that has not been able to find his way in the NFL.
Rich_Gannon1
On Jon Gruden ever coming back to the Silver & Black:
I was with Jon and Bruce Allen about six weeks ago and we had that very same conversation, I asked him, ‘Would you ever go back and coach Oakland. You’d be surprised what Jon Gruden said. He said, ‘Absolutely.’ I don’t think he’ll go back under the current situation, but I know he loves northern California. He loves the Bay Area. He loved his time with the Oakland Raiders.
I’m sure he wouldn’t go back under the current set-up and situation.’
January 20th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
RMR
Herrera was only saying what he was authorized to say.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Hue is being brought here to reach Russell,…period,…Al Davis, nor any other owner, is goin to cut 32 million guarunteed,…not happening,…Hue Jackson, if he convinces Al he can reach Jamarcus, is the new OC/qb coach/mentor/uncle Ray…book that. Go Warriors!
January 20th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
The Raiders matter to the NFL. I’ve seen more coverage of the Raiders on ESPN than the Saints since Sunday.
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Not true. I’ve been watching ESPN too and they’ve only been running a few seconds here and there on the Raiders, with some feedback from Adam Schefter. And, almost every report on the Raiders comes with mockery, even from the reporters. There’s getting respectful attention and then there’s being made fun of.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Cable has been fired as OC. Demoted to Head Coach..
January 20th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Island Raider,
My point is, if nothing’s going on, all the Raiders have to do is say, “Cable’s staying”.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Either Cable has agreed to step down as OC or AL is making it so terrible he’s hoping Cable will quit.
Eventually our regular season should be more entertaining than the off season…
January 20th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
You people kill me, you pass off all this information regarding who the Raiders talked to for a head coaching position as fact with sum even claiming that old “inside source” many like to throw in.
PFT claims to havr dug around and verified all the talk about people being talked to for the position as head coach is nothing but bull. The clowns even throw in the one dude did not want the job.
Most people when not very good at the job they were hired to do are fired, whats up in your line of work?
I know that many spread the bull knowing that the Raiders seldom will come out to knock it down unless it gets to bad and you get by with it.
Last Cable as I have wrote many times is going noplace and is under contract. There will be some changes but will not include Cable going.
So lets do your jobs and end all the bull you people love to spread, hell even a broken clock is right twice a day. You people on the other hand are bad, real bad. If you told me the Sun was out I would grab a rain coat.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Dang I feel great,..new concoction,…1 Norco, 1 Percocet,…2 tokes…feeeeelin fine,…you all think we got it bad,..my best buddy is a die hard Bolts fan, I bring him to his game every year,..hes on a roll,..gives it to me, laughs it up,..calls his buddies on drive home,..talks it up loud for me of course,…all good for him,…I let him have his fun,..hes on a nice little roll,…until I ask him how many superbowls his team has one, silence……would you rather the Raiders be on a 13 game winning streak over the Bolts and THEY have 3 superbowl trophies?…ot the other way around,…dang, these pills,…reminds me of how the windowpane in high school made me feel…go Warriors!
January 20th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I got you. No problem. Just typical game playing with the media. Why would they uncover the mystery?
Also, if Jackson is being questioned on whether or not he can help Russell, I wonder if Al has to buy him a plane ticket to mobile? Maybe Al wants him to open up some diplomacy with the King. Damn. Jackson could be the Henry Kissenger of football.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Are they Raiders honestly doing this to get attention? What kind of attention do they think they’re going to get? Is the objective to gain ticket sales? I can see the advertising angle, but what are they advertising? Failure and chaos? The end result is that they’re just being made fun of. I really hope this isn’t just a rouse to get attention. If so, it’s just another sign that the organization has hit bottom. It’s almost like when Art Shell had Hostetler do that hard count on like 3rd and 5 when we were getting killed by the niners in that mnf game in ‘94. I can still hear the MNF crew, “How embarrassing. This is the NFL, Jeff Hostetler”.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Bob, being us or the chargers isn’t our only option. We can have our super bowl trophies and win, too, if the team is managed right. If you were to ask me who I’d rather have as a GM, Al Davis, or AJ Smith? AJ Smith. Easily.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
What else would they do it for? These are normal behavorial patterns of a dysfunctional organization.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Sunnyjcbs,
Learn to type/spell so reading your posts doesnt give the person reading it a headache. At least the content wasnt the worst part, close though.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Screw the coaching search,Wheres the GM? Without that position being filled,nothing else Matters! Hire a GM,or count me out for season tickets.Get the GM,and then look at Head Coach,my opinion
January 20th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
” It’s a mystery, inside a riddle, wrapped in a tortilla.”
January 20th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Cable will stay on as head coach…
January 20th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Whats AJ Smith won?…maybe if AJ wouldnt have fired Marty they would have 3 superbowls by now,..nah, you can have AJ,..,not me,..actually I want him right there in san diego,..not winning any titles.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Thank you darkhorse for your insights.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Cable has been fired as OC. Demoted to Head Coach..
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At least he gets to keep the head set.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Norco, what’s Al Davis won without Ron Wolf or Bruce Allen? AJ Smith is a long shot better than Al Davis.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Are the A`s functional?…Warriors?…maybe its the east bay.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
MR,..whats he won without bruce allen and ron wolfe?…I would have to ask KK to rev up his googlie machine for that,…however, of those three, only ones in the hall of fame.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
As you’ve said yourself, norco, a lot of people in the hall don’t deserve to be there. I think Al’s one of them. I think he’s a fraud.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Are they Raiders honestly doing this to get attention? What kind of attention do they think they’re going to get? Is the objective to gain ticket sales? I can see the advertising angle, but what are they advertising? Failure and chaos? The end result is that they’re just being made fun of. I really hope this isn’t just a rouse to get attention. If so, it’s just another sign that the organization has hit bottom. It’s almost like when Art Shell had Hostetler do that hard count on like 3rd and 5 when we were getting killed by the niners in that mnf game in ‘94. I can still hear the MNF crew, “How embarrassing. This is the NFL, Jeff Hostetler”.
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Even the Bills GM is throwing the Raiders under the bus.
The BILLS….
January 20th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
The A’s and Warriors are far more functional than the Raiders. Both of them have been to the post season more recently than the Raiders.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
I saw that. What did he say? “It’s not like we’re Oakland”? LOL. Wow.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
More and more people around the league are openly criticizing Al Davis. And, the Raiders’ response of, “well, consider the source”, is just running dry. You get to pull that card the first couple of times.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Yes I did say that, dang you pay attention dont you,..not bad,…as far as the W`s and A`s,…both pathetic,..and I have partial season tix for them both,…been a joke of a run for Cohan,..and Billy Beane the genius makes me sick fielding a AAA team every year,..gets lucky occassionally,…the Raiders to me are much more functional then both, for certain more then the Warriors,..Hell as soon as they had a nice thing going, they blew it up!!!
January 20th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Ya that hick of a gm in buffalo,…funny guy,..and the poor Bills still waiting for their 1st superbowl trophy.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
the warriors and a’s are pathetic, but not as bad as the Raiders. Not even close. If you think the Raiders are more functional, you’re surely not basing it on results.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
The Raiders won their super bowls under entirely different management. I think the past 7 years proves that Al Davis had very little to do with the success of those teams. It’s likely that Bill’s GM never failed at anything for 7 straight years. I think the Bills have had a winning season in the past 7 years, haven’t they?
January 20th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Youre right on MR,..its awful,..if I were you I wouldnt take it anymore.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
well well, Crazy Al is going to bring in a black OC to work with young Jawalrus. Perhaps he can command better respect from young Jawalrus than Cable. If they can make it work, I’m all for it. I already think we’ll be an upgrade by having Hue calling the plays over Cable. Cable is a good motivator but not a good playcaller for in-game situations.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
And if I were you I wouldn’t spend my time trying to defend Al Davis.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Mr. How are you bro?
dude, please dont ever confuse the warriors with teh Raiders. As a lifelong fan of all 3 eastbay teams, the warriors are the worst. 1 playoff app in a gazillion years and they dont even spend the money to upgrade the team. They only trade away future stars or break the team apart after showing any potential.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Cable is a good motivator? And what do you base this on? Surely not on any improvement in the win column.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
AIg, I don’t think the Warriors are as bad as the Raiders at present day, which is the point bob seems to be making. The Raiders are probably the single most dysfunctional team in all of sports, sans maybe the Clippers.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Am I defending Al?…lol…hardly old buddy…but, its his team, and I enjoy going to the games,..is what it is,..but people cant live forever, Im not losing any sleep over wins and losses…and me crying about the owner of the Raiders,..or Warriors,..not going to change a thing,..all good.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Mr.
We had the best season in 05? We made the playoff. Then we proceeded to kicking everyone off that mattered. What kind of team are they now? they’re winning what 30% of their games. Believe me, that playoff team was exciting. This current team is junk. I dont even bother to pay to watch them from Memphis.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
The Raiders go into Cleveland to play a mediocre Browns team, and with an opportunity to hit the 6 win mark for the first time since 2002. The Raiders get worked, by Cleveland, 23-9. If you ask me, when it comes to motivational skills, Cable is as bad as anyone who’s ever coached here. Cable a motivator. LOL. Please.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
The only good thing about Davis is that he is at least willing to spend money.
The Bengals under Paul Brown were notoriously cheap. There’s stories of them re-issuing jocks to save money.
Tommy Kelly showed off his brand new jock to the world.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Norco, you say you’re not defending Al, then defend him in the same sentence. “it’s his team”. Whaa whaa whaa.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Mr.
His guys play hard for him even in Dec. Crazy Al forced Jawalrus on him. We had to find out anyway whether he was any good. All of Cable’s blowouts involved Jawalrus at the helm. Under Cable is the only time they played hard in Dec in the past 7 yrs.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Why would NFL players need to be motivated?…ridiculous. Isnt being a pro, being paid huge bucks motivation enough?…some pregame speach?…for NFL players?…damn.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Northern D, and that’s a good thing? To waste money? I don’t see how spending money is a good thing unless your’e spending money on something with a return.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Lo,..ok MR,..if you say Im whinin, so be it…lol.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Norco Bob Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Why would NFL players need to be motivated?…ridiculous.
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Take it up with AIG. He’s the one who called Cable a motivator. I think the bare minimal requirement to call yourself a motivator is to improve by one game…
January 20th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
aig Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Mr.
His guys play hard for him even in Dec.
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Was the Cleveland game, an easy game to win with the opportunity to win their 6th game, something they haven’t done in nearly a decade, NOT in December? Last season, the Raiders finished strong, winning the last two games. The team regressed. And when you consider that they regressed in Cable’s first full season, you have to wonder if last year’s strong finish was really Kiffin’s discipline wearing off.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Take it up with AIG,…nah, maybe tomorrow.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I almost went to that Browns game too,..glad I didnt.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
If you’re willing to spend money, you can at least get some players in town. Nnamdi, Lechler, Seymour. How bad would the Riaders be if some of those guys weren’t around?
Al spends money foolishly most of the time, but at least he spends it.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Cable is an excellent motivator. He took a 5-11 team and didn’t make it worse.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Norco Bob Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Why would NFL players need to be motivated?…ridiculous. Isnt being a pro, being paid huge bucks motivation enough?…some pregame speach?…for NFL players?…damn.
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” If I have to motivate you, I’m gonna cut you.”
Chuck Noll.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
I enjoyed a couple of comments from greg ellis tonight on a radio show. He hopes Cable stays and that the players respect him and play hard for him but certain players need to learn how to prepare better during the week before a game. JAHUBABUBBA RUSSELL I would imagine was one of those players… he was also upfront and quick to point out how well Gradkowski prepared and how well he and the offense was playing before he went down.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Cable motivated me from day 1. When I first saw him, I purchased a razor and an ab lounger II.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Will be shocked if this warriors lead holds up.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Perhaps Al spending money is a blessing in disguise, afterall, ” A fool and his money are soon parted…”
January 20th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Greg Ellis sounds like he interviewed for DL Coach.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Greg Ellis sounds like he interviewed for DL Coach.
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He getting prepared for his post playing career. Gotta build those bridges.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
NorthernD Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
If you’re willing to spend money, you can at least get some players in town. Nnamdi, Lechler, Seymour.
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Nnamdi and Lechler are draft picks. You’re inevitably going to have franchise players, who cost money. Ok, so Al doesn’t exactly draft first round players who he knows are mediocre so he won’t have to pay them in 3 years. Or, wait, when you consider Russell, McFadden, and Bey….
January 20th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Cable is an excellent motivator. He took a 5-11 team and didn’t make it worse.
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What a standard. Well then I guess by Raiders’ standards, Cable would be a good motivator. If your only goal is to not get worse…
January 20th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Yo 504,
How quickly things changed for Bush, huh? Oh what a difference a couple of TDs makes, lol!
January 20th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Overtime!
January 20th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Wasn’t aware Hue Jackson is black. I have no doubt Russell will improve now. Playbook is gonna have greasy edges.
Jackson probably told Al at the interview about the History of Uncle Ray Ray. They are working out contract details as we speak.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Mr.
If you gonna pick on Cleveland, then let’s talk about that. the final score was 9-23. It was 9-17 at the half. If you call that a blowout then obviously you and I are on diff planets. things like 38-0 is a blowout. The Giants game was a blowout. The Dallas game was never close. For all of Dec’s games, Pitt, Was, Denver, Cleveland, and Balt, we were competitive and had a chance in all of those 5 games. Tell me where since 2002 that other raider hc’s had us playing competitively in Dec?
January 20th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
AIG, We’d just come off of a huge win against Denver, we have an opportunity to get our first 6 win season since 2002. The Raiders have no excuse to win by any margin less than 20! Biggest statement game ever. Instead, they lose by double digits. Cable has not proven to me that he’s one bit better of a motivator than any coach who’s ever been here.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Yeah Jhill,
Couldn’t happen at a better time for Saints. Meachem is out and looks like Shockey won’t go (DMac toe). They activated Adrian Arrington from the practice squad.
They gotta keep Jared Allen away from Brees and Saints D gotta pay attention to Bernard Berrian. Rice and Harvin been gettin all the play and people forget about Berrian on the outside. I think the Vikes get Berrian heavily involved in this game. Favre is a gunslinger and will change most running plays to pass at the line of scrimmage.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Good Night Nation…going to bed before KK and Bob go at it!!lol
Talk to you guys tomorrow!
January 20th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Gregg ellis has been a leader whereever he has been, College, Dallas and the Raiders. The players kept on quoting “some” players on the team not putting in the effort. That’s BS talk to me. They wont say it out loud but it is 1 player and that player is Jawalrus. Everyone knows it but afraid to say it flat out.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Come on Warriors,..finish!!!
January 20th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Cable can’t motivate or call plays. About the only thing he did right was lobby to start Gradkowski and Frye. Frye played the whole game against Cleveland, didn’t he? Cable is worthless.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
MR,..whats he won without bruce allen and ron wolfe?…I would have to ask KK to rev up his googlie machine for that,…however, of those three, only ones in the hall of fame.
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Answer to #1, Alex is “What is zero”
Al isn’t in the hall for being GM, or owner. Was his involvement long before he lost all of his marbles.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Mr.
Do you ever even do your homework before you post on here? You do realize that Cleveland won its last 4 games right? Yet, you expect us to travel to their home and win by 20 in cold Dec?
Has the raiders even won any games by 10 points the whole season even at home? But you expected us to win by 20 in Cleveland. Why cuz you “assumed” Cleveland sucked? They only won 4 in a row to finish the season incl against the Jags.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
What the hells it gonna take to win this damn game.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Aig you may have a point there. Grown white men maybe can’t get through to JaMarcus. From everything I read JaMarcus was cool with and listened to Kiffin. Maybe he listens to young guys who maybe he can relate to better. He also had Jimbo Fisher at LSU. Another young guy. Hue is fairly young (44).
January 20th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Ya he has lost his marbles Richie,..but hes not being removed from the hall of fame….and neither bruce or ron are getting in.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Yo Mr.
do some homework before you debate on here man.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Hard to imagine that cleveland game getting all this attention.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
Question still remains..WHAT DID CABLE DO THAT WAS RIGHT?
Nothing, zero.
A moron could have figured out Russell needed to hit the pine..but even at that, Cable still waited too long..(not that it was his choice to begin with)
January 20th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
# r8eray Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Good Night Nation…going to bed before KK and Bob go at it!!lol
Talk to you guys tomorrow!
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thanks for the warning, RayRay
January 20th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
504,
I dont think JR listened to Kitten. That’s why Kitten was pissed at Jawalrus and had his beef with Al over it. At the end of the day, JR got his fat contract and felt like he was DA MAN according to his posse. I hope we get Hue in here. Hue can get in his face and tell him to stop being a knuckle head.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Crap,..Warriors couldnt finish…goodnight to all you kayboard GM`s. lol
January 20th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
The only one who is going to motivate JaMarcus is his mama.
The guy is a total mama’s boy. There was a video about him growing up. He’s surrounded by women telling him he’s great.
For everything Cable tells him to work on, someone back home tells him not to get upset about it.
His mind is still in Mobile.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Later Nation,
Hopefully Al makes an announcement before the draft.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
Too bad his hometown didn’t rub off in his footwork.
Later.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Just before he selects Tim Tebow…
January 20th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
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January 20th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
# aig Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Mr.
His guys play hard for him even in Dec. Crazy Al forced Jawalrus on him. We had to find out anyway whether he was any good. All of Cable’s blowouts involved Jawalrus at the helm. Under Cable is the only time they played hard in Dec in the past 7 yrs.
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WTF? Just when I think you can’t say anything dumber than previous takes, you prove me wrong.
You dumbass…a motivator gets their players to play WHEN IT COUNTS, not when nothing is on the line. Winning those have nothing to do with anyone motivating you, except for the fact you know you’re auditioning for the following year.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Ya he has lost his marbles Richie,..but hes not being removed from the hall of fame….and neither bruce or ron are getting in.
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True..but…that bust in Canton doesn’t mean someone can now do a job that they’re obviously clueless about.
The good news?
Al’s apparent dementia means he’ll likely not grasp the fact he’s not just tarnished him image, but that he’s now pitied, and looked down on as a lost bitter old man.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I’m not so sure about Cable as a motivator either. The ONLY thing I’ll give him is that he might have a decent working relationship with Al, which is no easy feat. That’s it. This team got blown out way too often and had big letdowns after a win. Oh and btw, the O-line, which is his baby, is crap.
January 20th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
But it looks as if Cable may stay if we’re to believe John Herrera the car salesman. Seriously, where did they find this guy?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
MR,
What part of it wasn’t an order you don’t understand?! It was an idea.
Don’t be so sensetive, or is it that time of the month?!
January 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
It’s so tough to call someone a girl over the internet, Raider O.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Crap,..Warriors couldnt finish…goodnight to all you kayboard GM`s. lol
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Is a keyboard GM better or worse than an overhead projector GM?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:00 am
# aig Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Mr.
Do you ever even do your homework before you post on here? You do realize that Cleveland won its last 4 games right? Yet, you expect us to travel to their home and win by 20 in cold Dec?
Has the raiders even won any games by 10 points the whole season even at home? But you expected us to win by 20 in Cleveland. Why cuz you “assumed” Cleveland sucked? They only won 4 in a row to finish the season incl against the Jags.
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We know one of Cleveland’s 4 wins was against a Raider team that committed one stupid penalty after another, melting down at the end of the first half and allowing a mediocre Cleveland offense, at best, to drive down field like the Colts and go up by two scores at half time. Plus, you were the one who tried to break the game down and make it look as if we were in it. Now you’re saying we didn’t have a chance because Cleveland was on fire?
Do I expect this Raider team to beat Cleveland, in the cold? The thought never crossed my mind. I knew we were going to lose out after beating Denver. They reached their 5 win maximum. LOL.
BTW, this same team, practically, went and knocked Tampa Bay out of playoff contention to close off last season. Was it Cable’s motivation? Considering this season? I’d have to say not. Probably Kiffin’s discipline wearing off.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:04 am
Try Some Reality Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
I’m not so sure about Cable as a motivator either. The ONLY thing I’ll give him is that he might have a decent working relationship with Al, which is no easy feat. That’s it.
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That’s a good thing? A working relationship with the worst GM in the game? A good thing would be if those two are clashing.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:09 am
# Norco Bob Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Ya he has lost his marbles Richie,..but hes not being removed from the hall of fame….and neither bruce or ron are getting in.
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Who cares if Al is in the hall of fame? If anything, it just diminishes the hall of fame. I’ll take a GM who’ll never get in the hall of fame who at least understands the basics of today’s NFL over a hall of fame owner who has no clue what he’s doing anymore. You know what? I’ll take it back. You’re right. Al does belong in the hall. Literally. Put him there, his actual breathing person, and lock the door. Put his HOF bust in his office in Alameda. Then hire Ron Wolf back.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:28 am
My Observations:
In recent history during the 1st three rounds, Davis seems to draft better some in some areas. He has generally done well in DT LB and CB and areas where he’s flopped regularly WR, RB, QB, DE Safety and OT(Yes, all our OT early picks have sucked majorly except for Mario Henderson).
The HORRIBLE THING is that the areas we seem to get better results in we rarely draft people and keep wasting picks on other areas:
DTs (You have to go back 12 years to 1998 when we last drafted a DT in the 1st 3 rounds).
Leon Bender (was looking good. Unfortunately died at a very early age)
Darrell Russell
La’Roi Glover
LB:
Thomas Howard
Kirk Morrison
Napolean Harris (still a starter for Vikings….I think….)
Rob Frederickson
That’s it for the past 20 years
CBs
Fabian Washington
Stanford Routt
Namdi Asomugha
Philip Buchanon
Charles Woodson
James Trapp
Now look at those in contrast to:
Defensive Ends (HORRIBLE)
Matt Shaughnessy (not bad pick)
Quinten Moses (didn’t even last to training camp)
Tyler Branton
DeLawrence Grant
Tony Bryant
Lance Johnston (the one that did work out)
James Folston
Offensive Tackles (HORRIBLE)
Mario Henderson
Paul McQuinston
Robert Gallery (as Tackle sucked)
Langston Walker
Matt Stinchcolm
Mo Collins
QBs (DAMNED SHAME)
Jamarcus Russell
Marques Tuasosopo
Andrew Walter
Billy Joe Hobert
Todd Marinovich
Jeff Francis
Again, these are ONLY the first 3 rounds and spans the last 20 years. It’s pretty sad to see how bad we’ve been drafting over these years.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:29 am
Notice, that we haven’t drafted a DT in the 1st three rounds for OVER 10 YEARS!
And you wonder why our Run Defense sucks….
January 21st, 2010 at 2:40 am
Look at the drafts and you can see how many are not even in the league any more (that I know of):
2009
LOOKS LIKE 4 OUT OF 7 COULD BE KEEPERS. ONE OF OUR BETTER DRAFTS BY THE “RAIDERS STANDARD”
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
2. Mike Mitchell, S, Ohio University HAS POTENTIAL
3. Matt Shaughnessy, DE Wisconsin LOOKS GOOD
4a. Louis Murphy, WR, Florida DAMNED GOOD PICK
4b. Slade Norris, LB, Oregon State
6a. Stryker Sulak, DE, Missouri
6b. Brandon Myers, TE, Iowa POSSIBILITY
PROBABLY OUR BEST DRAFT IN 20 YEARS AND WE ONLY HAD 5 PICKS.
2008
1. Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas YOU NEVER KNOW
4a. Tyvon Branch, DB, Connecticut DAMNED GOOD PICK
4b. Arman Shields, WR, Richmond
6. Trevor Scott, DE, Buffalo SHOWING UPSIDE
7. Chaz Schilens, WR, San Diego State DAMNED GOOD PICK
LOOKS LIKE 4 DESCENT PICKS WITH 2 REALLY GOOD ONES. 2 OUT OF TOP 3 ARE MAJOR BUSTS.
2007
1. JaMarcus Russell, QB, LSU
2. Zach Miller, TE, Arizona State GREAT PICK UP
3a. Quentin Moses, DE, Georgia
3b. Mario Henderson, OL, Florida State STILL PLAYING
3c. Johnnie Lee Higgins, WR, UTEP LOOKS OKAY
4a. Michael Bush, RB, Louisville COULD BE GREAT
4b. John Bowie, CB, Cincinnati
5a. Jay Richardson, DE, Ohio State BACKUP, STILL PLAYING
5b. Eric Frampton, S, Washington State
6. Oren O’Neal, FB, Arkansas State
7. Jonathan Holland, WR, Louisiana Tech BACKUP
ONLY 3 OUT OF 7 ARE EVEN IN THE NFL STILL I THINK.
2006
1. Michael Huff, S, Texas FINALLY SHOWING UPSIDE
2. Thomas Howard, LB, Texas-El Paso LOOKS GOOD
3. Paul McQuistan, OL, Weber State
4. Darnell Bing, S, USC
6. Kevin Boothe, OL, Cornell
7a. Chris Morris, C, Michigan State NOW PLAYING 4 US
7b. Kevin McMahan, WR, Maine
2005
1. Fabian Washington, CB, Nebraska STARTER IN BALT
2. Stanford Routt, CB, Houston BACKUP
3a. Andrew Walter, QB, Arizona State NO JOB NOW(?)
3b. Kirk Morrison, LB, San Diego State STARTER
6a. Anttaj Hawthorne, DT, Wisconsin
6b. Ryan Riddle, LB, California
6c. Pete McMahon, OT, Iowa
2004
1. Robert Gallery, OT, Iowa BUST AS OT, GREAT AS GUARD
2. Jake Grove, C, Virginia Tech STARTER IN MM
3. Stuart Schweigert, S, Purdue BACKUP AT BEST
4. Carlos Francis, WR, Texas Tech
5. Johnnie Morant, WR, Syracuse
6a. Shawn Johnson, DE, Delaware
6b. Cody Spencer, LB, North Texas
7a. Courtney Anderson, TE, San Jose State
1 GREAT PICK. 2 BACKUPS. REST NOT AROUND ANY MORE.
2003
1a. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, California PROBOWLER
1b. Tyler Brayton, DE, Colorado
2. Teyo Johnson, TE, Stanford
3a. Sam Williams, DE, Fresno State SPECIAL TEAMER
3b. Justin Fargas, RB, USC SHOULD BE BACKUP
4. Shurron Pierson, LB, South Florida
5. Doug Gabriel, WR, Central Florida
6. Dustin Rykert, T, BYU
7a. Sideeq Shabazz, S, New Mexico State
7b. Ryan Hoag, WR Gustavus Adolphus
OKAY, YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE WHY WE’RE HAVING SOME PROBLEMS. I HAVE TO BLAME IT ON WHO WE DRAFT AS WE’VE HAD SO MANY DIFFERENT COACHES YOU COULDN’T SAY THAT NONE OF THEM CAN COACH. AND THERE’S NO PERIOD OF TIME (EXCEPT FOR RECENTLY) WHEN YOU HAVE OVER 50% DOING ANYTHING. SO, IF THERE IS ANY REASON THERE MIGHT BE HOPE IN THE FUTURE, OUR DRAFTS ARE LOOKING A BIT BETTER RECENTLY (AT LEAST LATER PICKS). SO, IF WE CAN PICK BETTER EARLY AND KEEP THE CONSISTENCY LATE WE CAN BUILD UP SOME GOOD PLAYERS. MAYBE IT’S A PIPE DREAM, BUT AT LEAST IT’S SOME HOPE.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:17 am
Can you see the pattern yet?
CBs
Fabian Washington
Stanford Routt
Namdi Asomugha
Philip Buchanon
Charles Woodson
James Trapp
Washington, Routt, Buchanon, and Trapp ran the fastest at the combine. They’re garbage.
Asomugha and Woodson were selected based on production.
Same theory applies to WR’s.
LB:
Thomas Howard
Kirk Morrison
Napolean Harris (still a starter for Vikings….I think….)
Rob Frederickson
That’s it for the past 20 years
Howard, Harris and Fredrickson had some of the fastest 40’s at their position. Morrison taken on production.
QBs (DAMNED SHAME)
Jamarcus Russell
Marques Tuasosopo
Andrew Walter
Billy Joe Hobert
Todd Marinovich
Jeff Francis
Strong arms over production. (Ironically Russell was the most productive college QB)
Now look at those in contrast to:
Defensive Ends (HORRIBLE)
Matt Shaughnessy (not bad pick)
Quinten Moses (didn’t even last to training camp)
Tyler Branton
DeLawrence Grant
Tony Bryant
Lance Johnston (the one that did work out)
James Folston
Al has always preferred DE’s over DT’s. always searching for the next Howie Long. Pass rushers over run stuffers. They also have better 40’s.
Now, you can project who Al will take in the next draft.
1) the fastest 40 at the combine.
Second fastest player in the draft
2) A DE
3) OT
4) CB/S
5) WR
6) A player coming off a major injury. ( Perhaps he didn’t even play last year)
7) Someone no one has ever heard of.
9) Someone who will changed positions in the NFL.
10) An unproductive high school all-American.
Al is nothing, if not predictable.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:02 am
Good Morning NATION!!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 4:11 am
504 Raider Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Cable motivated me from day 1. When I first saw him, I purchased a razor and an ab lounger II
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lmao!
January 21st, 2010 at 4:27 am
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January 21st, 2010 at 4:29 am
Maverick….Great post @120. That sums it all up 4me.We need better scouts. But also the drafts have been looking better as of late,and I hope this new trend continues
January 21st, 2010 at 4:33 am
Raiderzmaverick,
Good posts breaking down our drafts. A couple of things I’d like to point out though.
First, no team hits on all or close to all of their picks with any regularity. I think if you get about half the guys you take to fit in as starters or backups you’re doing alright.
Second, what’s missing? Not what’s missing from your list, what’s missing from that list that is the single most vital component to success in the National Football League?
Answer: A first-class QB.
We haven’t had one since Gannon emerged from the shadows of the NFL for us and that’s the biggest reason we’ve struggled this long.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:37 am
Remember that documentary Ice Cube was shooting during training camp? The one about the Raiders and Gangsta Rap and all. Just saw that it’s been picked as one of ESPN’s 30 for 30 documentaries. Going to air on May 4 at 8 p.m.
Here’s the link to the list for the spring slate of 30 for 30 movies including the synopsis of Ice Cube’s Raiders movie:
http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2010/01/spring-schedule-for-espn-films%e2%80%99-acclaimed-%e2%80%9830-for-30%e2%80%99-series-announced/
January 21st, 2010 at 4:50 am
# jhill Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
We have some incredible needs for FA and the draft this year. We may not like DHB and Russell, but I think we can all pretty much agree that those won’t be position taken with the #8 pick.
OT, C, DT, LB, and CB ALL have legit arguments for the #8 pick or a trade to acquire.
OTs are kinda thin this year but do we take the 3rd best OT if the best LB is on the board?
# Dude Says:
January 20th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
OT- agree
C- AT 8. No way in hell
DT- agree
LB- agree
CB- How do you figure that? Draft a guy at 8 to be a backup?
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Jhill…
good to see ya! I agree with your list… “Dude” I dont agree with your statements…
OT, yup, need protection and the rungame going again, dont know if the right guy is there in the 1st though
C, same goes here, I dont care about where we draft guy unless its a kicker, lol, if there is a guy in the nick mangold mold, pick him up right away, I want and we need a probowl center..
DT, Hell yeah, we need a fat and fast one like danrnell dockett or Ngata
LB, a proper run-stopping MLB is probably our biggest need on defense, some ray lewis kinda player will really help stopping the opposition run over us and stop making us look silly..
CB, absolutely! we need a proper defender opposite nnamdi, its evident that Chris Johnson and Routt simply isnt better than a dime corner…
Last comment to sum up, well all aforementioned positions is a need but the really sad part it has been a need position for the last 3 years…
cross my fingers that each player drafted is a keeper and a starter, that offseason acquisitions are all beasts…
Then it might be alright and we might go 8-8… wishful thinking, isnt that raider fans are best at? LOL
January 21st, 2010 at 4:53 am
1) Mike Iupati, G, Idaho
- Guy is projected to go in the second half of the first round by most, but I say ignore the Guard label and take him at No. 8. Okung will most likely be gone as well as another OT or two. Iupati is 6-5, 330 with long arms and possibly the most athletic feet of any lineman in the draft. If that doesn’t scream OT I don’t know what does. Been a fan of this guy since I saw his bowl game about a month ago. Mike Mayock spotlighted him in a brief segment on NFL Total Access last night as well saying he thinks he can play all 5 o-line positions.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:54 am
Northern D..
CB Washington would have been a starter in the playoffs for Ravens hadnt he been on IR, instead they started Chris Carr at Corner…
Napoleon Hariis havent played all year, Vikings dumped his ass 2 years ago…
January 21st, 2010 at 5:00 am
Raiderzmaverick…
not a bad walkthrough…
January 21st, 2010 at 5:02 am
LMN,
Chris Johnson is just fine. He gets tested a ton playing straight man opposite Nnamdi and the only times I remember him getting beat late in the year was when the WR got away with a blatant pass interference (the Hines Ward facemask and I believe there was another one). He almost never gets beat badly, he’s almost always within arm’s reach of his guy. He does need to work on locating the ball when it’s in the air though. Sometimes he’ll be on his man but the ball is completed for a big gain because he turns around too late or misplays the ball. He also has to play the opponent’s No.1 WR as much if not more often than Nnamdi. We only allowed a couple of guys to have 100-yard games this season and most of the big pass plays came against Routt or other defenders.
We could use another corner for depth and to compete for the increasingly important Nickel CB spot but CJ is just fine in his starting role on the outside.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:03 am
Washington isn’t a total washout. He’s been pretty solid after leaving Oakland.
Just saying that it’s pretty easy to figure out who the Raiders will go after based on the numbers.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
I think the first pick should be o-line unless we go with Dez Bryant (unlikely) or there’s a DT on the board that just blows you away. I don’t think there’s an LB in the draft worthy of the No. 8 spot. Same with Center. CB isn’t a real need but we do need to improve depth at the position later in the draft.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:06 am
Perhaps after watching Darrell Revis play man up against the other teams best WR, maybe Nnamdi will get a chance to do that next year.
CJ will look a lot more effective in that scenario.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:08 am
Some mocks have the Raiders taking a OT at that spot. There are a few to choose from.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:15 am
Chris in NY Says:
I don’t think there’s an LB in the draft worthy of the No. 8 spot.
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Rolando McLain from Alabama looks like he may fall around there. He’s a good run stuffer and would be an upgrade over Morrison.
But he had Cody eating up blockers in front of him, and he may not run a fast enough 40 for Al.
Overall, he would be my first choice at 8.(Not that it matters)
January 21st, 2010 at 5:21 am
here’s the deal…
Al Davis does care about his legacy… and for that reason it is he who wants the credit for turning the Raiders around…
therefore…
do not look for a hire that would make it seem as though it wasn’t Al who turned it around…
what does this mean???
no-one to whom credit would be given will be hired…
so…
no Gruden…
no Trestman…
no anybody with the goods to claim credit…
so look for an O co-ordinator… yes…
an up and coming coach that Al discovers… yes…
someone with the resume and the backbone to actually turn this ship around… not so much…
January 21st, 2010 at 5:53 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,WHATEVER IS GOING ON AT THE FACILITY IS PROBABLY A DECOY,IF ANY MEETINGS R TAKING PLACE, THEY TAKING PLACE IN A PARKING-GARAGE IN CUTBACK MONTANA…
January 21st, 2010 at 6:00 am
Chris..
Woaw, you think Chris Johnson is doing fine? I bet you think Hiram Eugene is an okay safety aswell?
January 21st, 2010 at 6:01 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
OK, so is Cable here for another, at least, 4 games?
January 21st, 2010 at 6:01 am
Al is just trying to harness more talent to help mold the next great Raiders QB….Bruce Gradkowski
January 21st, 2010 at 6:06 am
COULD BE HWNRDR,BAD IDEA IMO THOUGH, MAKE A CHANGE OR DO NOT,IF U DO IT IN-SEASON, THE SEASON IS A WASTE ANYHOW.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:10 am
I know…I was trying to be sarcastic. If they keep Cable…its good they are (supposedly) looking for an OC. I just hopae that if Cable fails in the beginning of 2010 that (if it is) Hue Jackson is NOT named the HC!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:28 am
We could have “Wolverine” on our coaching staff.
I like that Hue Jackson guy, he makes good movies.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:29 am
I think Chris Johnson is doing a fair job at CB… he has Nnamdi on the other side who almost gets completely ignored, that considered, CJ does not get beat that much
January 21st, 2010 at 6:35 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 4:29 am
Maverick….Great post @120. That sums it all up 4me.We need better scouts. But also the drafts have been looking better as of late,and I hope this new trend continues
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Yeah, they have looked better (at least we’re hitting a higher percentage of picks who are staying around). Pretty shocking that we only took 3 DTs in the last 20 years though in the first 3 rounds!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:38 am
# Chris in NY on Post 126 – It shows that we’re doing quite horrible as far as our % of who sticks around actually. I saw another place where it actually broke down how long each player stuck around and who was a starter. VERY FEW players we drafted even became a starter and even fewer lasted more than 1-2 years as a starter.
But…as you say….in 20 years we haven’t drafted anyone that is even good enough to be a long-term backup on another team at QB. That’s a long time (and a long run at mediocrity or worse)…..
January 21st, 2010 at 6:39 am
# Raider75 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:28 am
We could have “Wolverine” on our coaching staff.
I like that Hue Jackson guy, he makes good movies.
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bwahahahahha LOL good one
January 21st, 2010 at 6:40 am
If he comes here (Jackson)…he better put some “wolverine” back in our Offense! Haha!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:41 am
Good morning all.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:42 am
# bcz24 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:29 am
I think Chris Johnson is doing a fair job at CB… he has Nnamdi on the other side who almost gets completely ignored, that considered, CJ does not get beat that much
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hmm aha? CJ wouldnt be able to get a backup job on a playoff team, but he has apparently done a “fair” job… LOL
January 21st, 2010 at 6:44 am
LMN…for what he’s worth…I think CJ has done a “fair” job. He does attract all of those “non calls” from the refs. Like Chris in NY said though…he does need to work on knowing where the ball is all the time though. Yeah, it would be good to have a Reevis on the other side of Nnamdi, but…
January 21st, 2010 at 6:44 am
Neil…
seems to me Rafa just bought himself another week… =)
January 21st, 2010 at 6:44 am
Kiper has Raiders picking OT Anthony Davis in his first Mock Draft.
If Al picks anything other than O-line or D-line with any of the first 4 picks, he is crazier than I thought.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:45 am
You must be feeling better today LMN,good win for Liverpool last night.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:45 am
…and besides…
Most of our players won’t get to be backups on playoff teams…but if they all can gel, isn’t that what “team” means? And before you say it…I know…we need a coaching staff that can make that happen!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:46 am
He’s got a job till next weekend….no game this weekend – it’s all cup games.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:47 am
One other thing we’ve lacked in the draft that we’re in dire need of (see the trend). QB is one thing. DT is the other. Since we lost Ted Washington (YEARS AGO) we haven’t had a BIG DT. Back in the Gruden years we had 2 big dawgs manning the middle. I’m talking 6′6″ and 340lbs+.
We had Sam Adams, Ted Washington, Grady Jackson all 340+ guys manning the middle during that time period (2001 area).
January 21st, 2010 at 6:47 am
CJ cant lean more than he has, either you got it or you dont… neither CJ nor Hiram has it, next, move on… though CJ is a better backup than routt, he plainly sux, had we just let routt go to ravens and kept washington…
Washington was bad because of Rob Ryans play, just as Huff was bad because Rob Ryan, Routt simply doesnt have it, neither does Hiram or CJ…
January 21st, 2010 at 6:47 am
I think it’s pointless to think about the draft until we see what free agents we pick up.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:49 am
We don’t need DE. I keep seeing drafts (and people in this chat) saying to pick a Defensive End. We have Ellis, Seymore, Sanoghessy(spelling?), Richardson and Trevor Scott all as ends. We DON’T have any space-eating DT in the middle. So if we draft, it’s DT or OT. Middle of the Defense or a new bookend for our O-Line.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:49 am
hire Hue Jackson today!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:50 am
saw a mock draft for ESPN. they have us taking OT Anthony Davis from Rutgers.
is this kid a player?
January 21st, 2010 at 6:53 am
NorthernD Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:17 am
Can you see the pattern yet?
CBs
Fabian Washington
Stanford Routt
Namdi Asomugha
Philip Buchanon
Charles Woodson
James Trapp
Washington, Routt, Buchanon, and Trapp ran the fastest at the combine. They’re garbage.
Asomugha and Woodson were selected based on production.
Same theory applies to WR’s.
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Northern D – not actually true. Asomugha was picked and he was one of the fastest in the draft also. The pick was blasted because “Al only picks speed”. Woodson was the first defensive Heisman winner for as long as I remember and was also fast as all hell. But being the heisman winner I think is what got him in here.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:54 am
Maverick,
Gibson, I mean Mitchell was pretty fast too!
January 21st, 2010 at 6:57 am
Rockstar..
Another tackle I’ve seen mentioned was Bruce Campbell.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:58 am
have a great morning fellas.
Gabby, get these boys some coffee while i’m gone
put it on my tab. thanks
January 21st, 2010 at 6:58 am
Hey guys ready for a funny Davis/Cable picture? I’m not sure if you guys read sports humor blogs but there is a really funny pic of Grim Reaper Al as the Featured Pic on the homepage of this website:
http://www.jockpost.com
January 21st, 2010 at 6:58 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:50 am
saw a mock draft for ESPN. they have us taking OT Anthony Davis from Rutgers.
is this kid a player?
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Here’s 1 scouting report.
Offensive Tackle
Rutgers
6-6 335
40 time (projected): 5.28
Draft board overall prospect rank: #10
Draft board offensive tackle rank: #2
Overall rating: 87*
1/19/10: He’s that Jason Peters type left tackle, overrated against the pass, but a huge mauler against the run. He’s only 20 years old and is still inexperienced at the left tackle position and has huge upside as a pass blocker, but right now the 330 pound tackle’s best attribute is his mauling run blocking and ability to use his large frame to his advantage.
6/29/09: Anthony Davis is a massive offensive lineman with huge potential. He’s a natural guard and an excellent run blocker, but Rutgers moved him over to offensive tackle because of his large size. He flawlessly made the transition to offensive tackle, using his long arms and strong upper body to protect Mike Teel, who led one of the Big East’s most electrifying offenses last season. He’s still very raw and struggles with the fundamentals at left tackle, but he’s the type of guy that coaches and GMs will take a chance on at the next level, with his high potential, and also knowing that he can play guard and probably right tackle if he doesn’t pan out at left. He’s a bit slow on his feet, which is expected because of his size. However, speed rushers can still blow past him. He doesn’t always play up to his size and he doesn’t always quite know how to use his size to his advantage. Still, the upside is there and with the way teams have been reaching for left tackles, Davis has a very good shot of going in the first round, assuming he continues to grow and learn the fundamentals of his new position as expected.
NFL Comparison: Jason Peters
January 21st, 2010 at 7:04 am
Raider75 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:44 am
Kiper has Raiders picking OT Anthony Davis in his first Mock Draft.
If Al picks anything other than O-line or D-line with any of the first 4 picks, he is crazier than I thought.
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if there is a McClain or a Micah Johnson (linebackers) in any of those 1st four picks…
i’d be happy
January 21st, 2010 at 7:08 am
But, in our 2001/2002 Season, we didn’t have many people we drafted either. Just look at our starters, and you can see that we did better with F/A than we are doing recently for sure!
Rich Gannon QB – NE Patriots Drafted 4th round
Charlie Garner RB – Philadelphia Eagles Drafted 2nd Rd
John Richie FB – Raiders Drafted 3rd rd
Tim Brown WR – Raiders Drafted 1st round
Jerry Rice WR – 49ers Drafted 1st Round
Roland Williams TE – Saints Drafted 4th Round
Barry Sims LT – We drafted (I think)
Steve Wisniewski LG – Cowboys Drafted 2nd Rd
Barrett Robbins C- we drafted 2nd round
Frank Middleton RG – Bucs Drafted 3rd rd
Lincoln Kennedy RT – Falcons Drafted 1st Rd
Regan Upshaw DE – Bucs Drafted 1st rd
Darrell Russell DT – we drafted 1st rd
Grady Jackson DT – we drafted 6th rd
Sam Adams DT – Seahawks drafted 1st rd
Tony Bryant DE – we drafted 2nd rd
William Thomas LB – Eagles drafted 3rd rd
Greg Biekert LB – we drafted 7th rd
Eric Barton LB – we drafted 5th rd
Eric Allen CB – Eagles Drafted 2nd rd
Marquez Poe SS – San Diego Drafted 2nd rd
Rod Woodson FS – Stealers drafted 1st rd
CB Charles Woodson – we drafted 1st rd
January 21st, 2010 at 7:09 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:50 am
saw a mock draft for ESPN. they have us taking OT Anthony Davis from Rutgers.
is this kid a player?
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i think he’s rated as one of the top 2 or 3 OT in the draft…
January 21st, 2010 at 7:10 am
Yeah, Raidersrockstar, he definitely drafts for speed. Sometimes it pans now. Sometimes not. Miller was a really supprise pick as he wasn’t a speed monster but a football player. wouldn’t mind some more like him.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:11 am
Dam Mav…that was a good line. What happened? LOL…just kidding…
January 21st, 2010 at 7:13 am
13 of our starters in our last playoff year were brought in from other clubs. 9 were drafted by us.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:20 am
Per NFL.com’s Jason LaCanfora, the Raiders have reached out to Stanford’s Jim Harbaugh through “back channels” to gauge his interest in being the next head coach.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter has reported similar news, though it’s believed that Harbaugh is not interested in the job. Schefter points out Thursday morning that there is a “growing contingent of people” believing Tom Cable will keep his job for another season.
Source: NFL.com
January 21st, 2010 at 7:22 am
After this long…I hope so. But you know Al…Over head projector probably is in for a repair!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:22 am
I know you’re at work Rockstar,so here’s the top 3 by Walter
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Russell Okung, Oklahoma State – Scouting Report
Height: 6-5. Weight: 305.
Projected 40 Time: 5.22.
Projected Round (2010): Top 5 Pick.
1/18/10: A First-Team All-American, Russell Okung will likely be taken No. 4 (Redskins) or No. 5 (Chiefs) in April. He has an outside chance of going to the Buccaneers, depending on what happens with Donald Penn.
10/24/09: Having a very good year, but could receive some competition from Bruce Campbell to be the first left tackle off the board. It’ll be hard for the Chiefs and Lions to pass up on him.
1/6/09: Russell Okung, Oklahoma State’s starting right tackle, qualified for the All-Big XII First Team. I couldn’t blame him if he declared early, but he could be a first-round prospect if he wats another year. There’s even a chance he gets drafted toward the end of the opening round this April.
7/27/08: Played extremely well for the Cowboys as a sophomore. Russell Okung should be able to play multiple positions at the next level, as he also works out at guard.
Bruce Campbell, Maryland – Scouting Report
Height: 6-7. Weight: 310.
Projected 40 Time: 4.94.
Projected Round (2010): Top 10 Pick.
1/3/09: Bruce Campbell has declared for the 2010 NFL Draft. This was a no-brainer; Campbell has an outside shot at the top five if GMs are convinced that his past injuries are a non-factor.
10/24/09: Bruce Campbell is a dominant left tackle who could be the first player at his position off the board. Unfortunately, Campbell has a history of minor injuries that will likely allow Russell Okung to have that honor.
Anthony Davis, Rutgers
Height: 6-6. Weight: 325.
Projected 40 Time: 5.24.
Projected Round (2010): Top 15 Pick.
1/3/10: Anthony Davis has declared for the 2010 NFL Draft. Davis is a massive blocker with some athleticism. He’s an intriguing prospect and has an outside shot at the top 10.
10/24/09: Run-blocking is easily his strength, but has some athleticism to play left tackle.
2/9/09: Flawlessly made the transition from guard to left tackle, starting 11 games as a sophomore. Anthony Davis made the All-Big East Second Team.
7/27/08: A big man who qualified for the Freshmen All-American first team and All-Big East third team. Anthony Davis started the final eight games of his freshman campaign.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:31 am
Wouldn’t that be nice? An OT that is athletic and can block? But I heard that his pass blocking isn’t all that but has an upside!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:32 am
Qusetion:If we didn’t draft one of the “cadillac’s” last year,what makes anyone think we’ll do it this year ?
January 21st, 2010 at 7:36 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:08 am
Barry Sims LT – We drafted (I think)
Steve Wisniewski LG – Cowboys Drafted 2nd Rd
Barrett Robbins C- we drafted 2nd round
Frank Middleton RG – Bucs Drafted 3rd rd
Lincoln Kennedy RT – Falcons Drafted 1st Rd
Darrell Russell DT – we drafted 1st rd
Grady Jackson DT – we drafted 6th rd
Sam Adams DT – Seahawks drafted 1st rd
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Talk about a set of Defensive Tackles
Pretty good O-line as well. People may have had some complaints about Sims, but he played every down at left tackle for years. Every time they brought insomeone to replace him, Sims always won the job in training camp. That includes the #2 overall pick who some consider the best current o-lineman. Quite a slide in quality the last 8 years.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:39 am
Good question Neilb. I have this funny feeling that Taylor Mays may be picked at 8…Goodness, I hope not!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:41 am
Too bad one of those D tackles wouldnt stop doing Extacy in order to continue his career as a professional football player
January 21st, 2010 at 7:41 am
PLEASE dont say that Hwnrdr!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:44 am
Was it only me or did everyone get a cold chill when Hwnrdr said that.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:45 am
Sorry 4eva…I hope Al realizes what we need!!! I mean, things could be changing. He recognized that although Cable did handle adversity well and has got the group playing for him (although very inconsistent), Cable should NOT be calling plays! Hue Jackson as an OC? The bad is that they worked together before, so it may be the same!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:46 am
I’m still recovering Neilb!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:48 am
Ok Ok…
Sorry AM crew! Where’s the delete button?
Like I said, I hope not either!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:48 am
bcz24 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:41 am
Too bad one of those D tackles wouldnt stop doing Extacy in order to continue his career as a professional football player
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No kidding
January 21st, 2010 at 7:48 am
LMAO
January 21st, 2010 at 7:50 am
Every time I see the name Hue Jackson, I think Hue Jackman for OC..
Can you imagine him calling in plays to Russell in that prissy English accent
January 21st, 2010 at 7:51 am
After Russel fumbles me will just say ” Whoops a daisys”
January 21st, 2010 at 7:51 am
That would be funny Stabler…and when Russell throws an int or fumbles…his claws would come out as he returns to the bench!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:55 am
Hugh Jackman is an Australian.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:56 am
……and I don’t have a prissy accent !!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:58 am
Almost the same accent though! I hate the offseason! Every year when Christmas rolls around I get this empty feeling inside because in about a week…the season will be over for me! Can’t wait till the Raiders get back in the post season…Christmas always hurts!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:58 am
Sorry Neilb…not implying anything!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:59 am
Sorry,
I just dont keep up on these things,
back to work, has to be more interesting than this
January 21st, 2010 at 8:01 am
No problem !!!
I have a very board north-east of England accent,just like Cheryl Cole……just deeper!!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:02 am
# raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:10 am
Yeah, Raidersrockstar, he definitely drafts for speed. Sometimes it pans now. Sometimes not. Miller was a really supprise pick as he wasn’t a speed monster but a football player. wouldn’t mind some more like him.
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assuming you speak of Zach Miller, well we all know who drafted him, dont we, and his name surely isnt Al.. he is the USC coach now…
January 21st, 2010 at 8:02 am
Reports persist of Raiders interest in Jim Harbaugh
Posted by Mike Florio on January 21, 2010 9:44 AM ET
As the Raiders deny that they have commenced the process of interviewing potential replacements for head coach Tom Cable, reports continue to persist that the Raiders are exploring possible upgrades.
Adam Schefter of ESPN hasn’t backed off his claims that the Raiders gauged the interest of Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh. Jason La Canfora of NFL Network says that the Raiders have made overtures to Harbaugh via the “back channels.”
And Bay Area media guy Rich Lieberman insists that Harbaugh has met with Davis, and Lieberman suggests that a four-year, $20 million offer could get the deal done.
So stay tuned. Though Cable might survive, there are plenty of people who think that one of the factors will be whether they can get the replacement that they want.
Possibly, they want Harbaugh.
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Wow. Anyone really think Al will give a HC 5 mil a year?
January 21st, 2010 at 8:03 am
Have a good day Nation!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:03 am
Thanks GG,…great info you posted for us in here,..what would we do without you, we will call you our “internet guy”,…because none of us have computers.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:04 am
Yeah,time for me to go aswell,
Enjoy your Thursday my friends.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:04 am
Ok, one last post to respond to Raider75…
No…although, I wish he would and then leave that guy alone!
Ok, back to work for me!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:09 am
Harbaugh better get the full $20 million up front!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:12 am
JR’s in Phoenix working with a master trainer to get in shape or be fired. My sister saw him at the gym yesterday. The guy he’s working with is supposed to be one of the best there is. You show up and he just kills you.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:13 am
# neilb Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:01 am
No problem !!!
I have a very board north-east of England accent,just like Cheryl Cole……just deeper!!
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neil b…
cheryl cole and the word deeper, is just about right, and its not her voice im talking about =)
January 21st, 2010 at 8:14 am
On the level Weaselbit? Couple of years late is better’n never if so.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:14 am
So Al’s definitely not firing JR as long as he does his training.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:17 am
So Sunny Jacobs, defender of the current dysfunctional regime, bloviates as follows:
“Most people when not very good at the job they were hired to do are fired, whats up in your line of work?”
So who’s Al accountable to? I would say us, the loyal fans, but of course he isn’t. Doesn’t care at all or else he wouldn’t have moved the team back in 1982. And wouldn’t try to salvage JMR to save face on his now squandered $32 million.
And yet, Al’s defenders best come back is “it’s his team, he can do what he wants. You think he’s listening to you? Have won three Super Bowls?” Well, any board of directors worth their salt doesn’t prop up a CEO for what he or she accomplished 25-30 years ago.
Al’s become a sad, megalomaniacal owner, alone on his weird little island of yes-men (and women) and sycophants who apparently can’t get through to him.
You realize he’s gonna saddle us with another year of the JMR experiment, even though the fans–myself included–long for a blue collar type QB who may be short of raw talent, but shows heart and passion and fierce desire to win–just like Gannon did.
Al, in his wisdom, doesn’t even realize how this caricature of an urban, hip-hop fop alienates the working class fan base. And if you think I’m using color-coded terminology you’d be right.
Lear’s daughters had a cure for this problem. Wish we had a couple in the organization, but Amy’s not up to it apparently.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:17 am
M Lonetree: Yeah. My sister called me right after she saw him. But at least he’s doing it. This guy works with freaking Olympians. You have to do whatever he tells you. I was kind of hoping he’d be fired. and you’re right. Why couldn’t he have been given that ultimatum sooner?
January 21st, 2010 at 8:20 am
weaselbit Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:12 am
JR’s in Phoenix working with a master trainer to get in shape or be fired. My sister saw him at the gym yesterday. The guy he’s working with is supposed to be one of the best there is. You show up and he just kills you.
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I know the guy you are talking about…this is him….should really whip Russell into shape!
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Health/Images/fat-guy-in-spandex.jpg
January 21st, 2010 at 8:25 am
# weaselbit Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:12 am
JR’s in Phoenix working with a master trainer to get in shape or be fired. My sister saw him at the gym yesterday. The guy he’s working with is supposed to be one of the best there is. You show up and he just kills you.
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This is great because we all know that a skinny QB that sucks and can’t hit the side of a barn is SOOO much better than a fat QB that sucks and can’t hit the side of a barn.
Lets see…
Fat Russell = Less Accurate, Less Mobile Andrew Walter
Skinny Russell = Slightly more Accurate, Less Mobile Mike Vick
I don’t like either choice.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:25 am
The other thing is: All JR had to do is refuse, then take the money and run. But he didn’t. He’s here working out. Maybe somebody in his inner circle finally pulled him aside and said,”DUDE! Everybody thinks you’re a fat lazy fokker. This is your life!”
It could happen.
Maybe there’s an athlete under all those rolls.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:27 am
Here is the QB we should have picked up when he was available. Al Davis bugs the living $#!t out of me. His way of tryiong to win is just so @$$ backwards and stupid. What coach would really want a job here?
http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_14234634?source=rss&nclick_check=1
January 21st, 2010 at 8:28 am
You mean: “Everybody KNOWS you’re a fat lazy fokker. This is your life!”
January 21st, 2010 at 8:31 am
Hey I agree. Being in better shape won’t make him look around to see if someones about to slap the ball loose, or may there’s another receiver besides Miller. Won’t make him smarter. Won’t make him more accurate. Won’t make him show up early and stay late. Won’t make him become a student of the game. Won’t make him a leader not hated by his teammates. Frankly, I was disappointed when I heard cause he’s the worst I’ve EVER seen and I want him gone.
HE HAD HIS CHANCE!!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:33 am
Never seen a guy take losing so nonchalantly.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:37 am
Maybe I was a little harsh.
Perhaps fat Russell is slightly more mobile than Andrew Walter.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:38 am
Hue Jackson – OC, yeah I could buy that.
What the team really needs is for Samuel L. Jackson to reprise his Jules Winnfield character from Pulp Fiction as the Raiders MLB. Put the fear of God into the opposition.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:39 am
Trade DMAC for Samuel L. Jackson!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
This just in: Raiders sold to Cameron Diaz. Al Pacino named head coach.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
Any man or woman deserves the chance to turn their life around for the better no matter whether they are overweight slackers or keyboard hacks.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:46 am
is JRuss working out just so that can he fit into his King Elexis I garb?
January 21st, 2010 at 8:47 am
Is Andrew Walter out of football?
January 21st, 2010 at 8:47 am
Dakota Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:09 am
Harbaugh better get the full $20 million up front!
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why??? so he and JaCarcass can both party down???
January 21st, 2010 at 8:49 am
I hate to say this but this is how I see it. JR gets in great shape. shows up at camp. Goes to meetings late but does okay in training camp then predictably sucks in real games. Becomes backup, but only after season is ruined again. Gets cut. Goes to another team and eventually becomes hard working hall of famer. Just like Woodson and Moss. I freaking hate that sh@t.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:50 am
Andrew was released by the Bostonians in Sept.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:51 am
Weaselbit the oracle.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:52 am
Moss has not become a hard working anything, and has quit on the Pats too. POS.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:52 am
weaselbit Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:12 am
JR’s in Phoenix working with a master trainer to get in shape or be fired. My sister saw him at the gym yesterday. The guy he’s working with is supposed to be one of the best there is. You show up and he just kills you.
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I hope your sister saw the real Jawalrus. We’re stuck with him so at least we all hope he improves.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:53 am
weaselbit Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:42 am
This just in: Raiders sold to Cameron Diaz. Al Pacino named head coach.
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Are we changing our name to the Sharks and signing Willie Beaman
January 21st, 2010 at 8:55 am
I hope my prediction’s wrong.
Then again, hope in one hand and cr@p in the other and see which one fills up first.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:56 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:47 am
Is Andrew Walter out of football?
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andrew walter is out of footballs…
(he never did make very much money)…
January 21st, 2010 at 8:57 am
Aig: It was him. Black SUV with 2 other big guys and a driver. Immediately stood out because of his size. Word gets around quick.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:58 am
weaselbit Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:57 am
Aig: It was him. Black SUV with 2 other big guys and a driver. Immediately stood out because of his size. Word gets around quick.
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are you sure Russell didn’t hire a look-a-like???
i mean… really ???
January 21st, 2010 at 8:59 am
Gotta go.
Enjoy the rain.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:06 am
Ahh….the King Elexis thing again,hmmm
I knew there just had 2B something else =)
January 21st, 2010 at 9:12 am
I think we should bring in Bill Parcells as OC…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:13 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:12 am
I think we should bring in Bill Parcells as OC…
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if we can do that…
then Jesus Christ for GM !!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:15 am
Bill P is overrated!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:16 am
bring in anyone who isn’t satisfied with the likes of Khalif Barnes, Erik Pears, Cornell Green and Chris Morris.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:16 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
I thought Gannon said what Russell needed to do was lose 20 pounds?
January 21st, 2010 at 9:17 am
He knows how to pick football players, and he can manage the game, but he is no Bill Walsh.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:20 am
I think Gannon has a lot to say about everything. He is starting to remind me of Sapp.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:22 am
terrence cody!!! terrence cody!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:22 am
“The other thing that concerns me is when the coach comes out and says that the [Russell] needs to . . . come to work every day and do the work it takes to be successful. To me, that’s mind-boggling, how, in this day and age, whether it be a coordinator or a position coach or a head coach, wouldn’t demand that the guy come in on Tuesdays and do the work. …
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Totally agree with Gannon on this one! Been saying this ALL YEAR!
To your point Weasel, how could the get in shape or be fired ultimatum NOT be MANDATED from day 1?
Well, better late than never. Maybe they mandate a 12 hour work day too?
January 21st, 2010 at 9:23 am
Round 2 !!!!! Round 2 !!!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:25 am
I think you can pencil in Henderson, Gallery, and Walker next year. C and RT SHOULD be wide open!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:26 am
I dont think Jesus has a very good mastery of football… If we were the Oakland Carpenters… I would be sold on that
lol
January 21st, 2010 at 9:28 am
the Oakland Carpenters would be masters at cut-blocking…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:28 am
taking the right angles…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:28 am
filling the holes…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:28 am
Bill Parcells is the archetype of the truth that no head coach has ever won a SB with two different teams.
Punching out the Donks and Scott “wide right” Norwood were nearly two decades ago.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:29 am
nailing the uprights…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:29 am
Kurt Warner’s retirement talk has forced the Cardinals to consider a future without him. Doubts remain about the next man up in Arizona: Matt Leinart.
Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic says Leinart has to re-gain the trust of his receivers. “Everyone can say all the right things about believing in him, but Leinart’s inaccuracy this season eroded confidence among the receiving corps,” Somers writes.
Leinart also faces questions about his passion for football. He’s turned around the perception regarding lax work habits the last two years, but it’s difficult to measure up to Warner.
The receivers’ lack of confidence speaks more to Leinart’s talent than work ethic. After four years in the NFL, we still have no idea whether Leinart is good enough to succeed as a starting quarterback.
The Cardinals hope they don’t have to find out in 2010.
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Thank GOD Shell picked instead of Al that year!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:30 am
Terrence cody wont make it to round 2… He’s the type dt we need. Brian price and all those guys are good but they dont occupy space like cody. We have pass rushers we need a run stuffer tho and my man cody fits the bill. ciron black in the second.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:30 am
RD1 should be:
1- OT Bruce Campbell
2- LB R McClain
3- OT Anthony Davis
4- DE Dereck Morgan
Anything else is a mistake unless Suh or the other 2 OTs fall to the 8th.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:31 am
Well, if we learned anything from tiger woods and the manner in which “big names” deal with the media, if something is being adamantly denied it probably is the truth.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:32 am
1st round = McClain…
2nd round = Dan Williams…
3rd round = Micah Johnson…
yeah… baby… that’s Raidering !!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:32 am
Florida Pete,
but what if the QB of the Oakland Carpenters is sawing logs on the bench?
January 21st, 2010 at 9:32 am
McClain won’t make it past the 15th pick…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:34 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:32 am
Florida Pete,
but what if the QB of the Oakland Carpenters is sawing logs on the bench?
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we will need a buzzsaw at halfback…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:35 am
Would be better than him screwing the fans
January 21st, 2010 at 9:35 am
or nailing the cheerleaders…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:37 am
Leinart hasn’t helped himself with his persona but in a way he got royally screwed. No tears here.
The past few years the Cardinal receivers have been playing with one of the most accurate passers in history. Of course after Warner, Leinart, like most QBs, is gonna look like garbage in the accuracy department.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:37 am
Pete,
I think Micah Johnson will be the steal of that draft. He will fall due to his injury, and he will not workout at the combine. Reminds me of M Bush.
Draft Micah Johnson in the 3rd or 4th!!!! He is a BEAST!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
# RaiderD Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:31 am
Well, if we learned anything from tiger woods and the manner in which “big names” deal with the media, if something is being adamantly denied it probably is the truth.
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We learned that from the Raiders as well. Remember the Lane Kiffin fiasco? Deny, deny, deny….BAM! all of it turns out to be true.
Same with Art Shell. Schefter – “Art Shell will be fired”. Raiders – “Ah, what a bunch of BS! Schefter doesn’t know what he’s talking about” BAM!, Art Shell is fired.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
Run D won’t be fixed with 3 rookies!
And we still need a C and RT!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:40 am
We have our own problems with Russell and here we are talking about Leinart. Nice! How about we take care of our own backyard before peeking over to criticize someone else’s.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
Trade DMAC for the son of God!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:42 am
Jebbuss Bo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:39 am
We learned that from the Raiders as well. Remember the Lane Kiffin fiasco? Deny, deny, deny….BAM! all of it turns out to be true.
Same with Art Shell. Schefter – “Art Shell will be fired”. Raiders – “Ah, what a bunch of BS! Schefter doesn’t know what he’s talking about” BAM!, Art Shell is fired.
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no more Emeril Lagasse for you !!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
Trade DMAC for Matt Leinart!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:43 am
So you don’t think Harbaugh and Jackson, lol, are going to make DMAC into the player he was supposed to be?
January 21st, 2010 at 9:44 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:41 am
Trade DMAC for the son of God!
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no-one would make that trade…
can we deal in REALITY HERE !!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:44 am
Bananas,
as 1,100 posts per day on this site dissect, intersect, interpret, villify, cry out, chastise, blame, prognosticate and speculate about JaFreaking Russell isn’t there a moment to have a thought which diverges from the tedium of the endless rehashing?
January 21st, 2010 at 9:45 am
Trade DMAC for Steven Jackson!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
4eva,
“Help Me Jebbus!!”
LMAO
One of my Fav!!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:46 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:44 am
as 1,100 posts per day on this site dissect, intersect, interpret, villify, cry out, chastise, blame, prognosticate and speculate about JaFreaking Russell isn’t there a moment to have a thought which diverges from the tedium of the endless rehashing?
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sure…
now on with our regular programming…
JaCarcass sucks !!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:47 am
BigB,
i guess i have all turned around, tiger must be a raiders fan and took a page out of Al’s book.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:47 am
Trade DMAC for a thought which diverges from the tedium of endless rehashing!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:49 am
trade DMAC for a di-pole moment !!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am
M,
I’m learning English by reading your posts.lol
I need a dictionary for some of those words.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:50 am
Damn….I just got rid of my last one
January 21st, 2010 at 9:52 am
Trade DMAC for a pouch of Skittles!
Then tell JaMarcus to meet you at the Golden State Bridge, throw it over and watch that idiot dive in for it!! lmfao!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:52 am
BoSJack,
LMAO!
Florida Pete,
you’re on a roll this morning.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:57 am
I hope the weaselbit was right about JaMardiGras (or King Eczema I or whatever) working out hard in Phoenix. I would not be surprised, however, if the kid was actually putting ON weight in honor of the whole Fat Tuesday thing…
January 21st, 2010 at 9:59 am
RaiderD – funny thing is, I’m pretty sure Tiger is a Raider fan. Or at least I remember them showing Tiger at the ‘02 SuperBowl and talking about him being a Raider fan.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:01 am
no sh*t?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:04 am
# Raider O Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:20 am
I think Gannon has a lot to say about everything. He is starting to remind me of Sapp.
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No, Sapp just spouts Bull $hit. Gannon usually has something worthwhile to say or at least thought out and with insight.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:07 am
RaiderD…
http://www.footballbabble.com/football/fans/celebrity/
January 21st, 2010 at 10:10 am
Rumor is Jim Harbaugh is getting an offer of 4 years 20 million contract with the Raiders!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/21/reports-persist-of-raiders-interest-in-jim-harbaugh/
January 21st, 2010 at 10:14 am
we got tom hanks too! lol.
adam sandler? steelers?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:14 am
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:29 am
Kurt Warner’s retirement talk has forced the Cardinals to consider a future without him. Doubts remain about the next man up in Arizona: Matt Leinart.
Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic says Leinart has to re-gain the trust of his receivers. “Everyone can say all the right things about believing in him, but Leinart’s inaccuracy this season eroded confidence among the receiving corps,” Somers writes.
Leinart also faces questions about his passion for football. He’s turned around the perception regarding lax work habits the last two years, but it’s difficult to measure up to Warner.
The receivers’ lack of confidence speaks more to Leinart’s talent than work ethic. After four years in the NFL, we still have no idea whether Leinart is good enough to succeed as a starting quarterback.
The Cardinals hope they don’t have to find out in 2010.
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Thank GOD Shell picked instead of Al that year!
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RICHOCHET: Really? How so? Matt Leinart or VY are vast improvements over JaBlase’.
Just the fact they want the job, come in in top shape, work hard to improve, don’t blame others for their screw ups..
Not saying Leinart would be the answer, but all JR has shown to be is a deposit slip..and not one thing more.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:14 am
oh and dont forget george lopez.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:16 am
rumors? lol…rumors about contracts, and actual $ amounts?
has ANY OF THESE RUMORS EVER PANNED OUT IN THE PAST?
No..never…it’s Al.
He’s not sure what he’s going to do this afternoon, and can’t remember what he did yesterday.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:16 am
If Raiders were really interested in Harbaugh they would get him over to the Collesium and definitely would do so before talking figures. I think that 4 year 20 mil is BS. Maybe there has been contact….
January 21st, 2010 at 10:18 am
I think it’s just as likely one reporter reports on it and then someone else reports on it using this first reporter as “someone familiar with the situation” and then someone else adds more bogus conjecture onto it….news reporting at its best.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:18 am
In my view Jim Harbaugh would be a very good hire.
Unlike many college coaches Harbaugh knows the ropes in the pros as he is not that far removed from his own professional football playing/coaching career.
He has a passion for the game.
He is intelligent.
He understands the workings of the Raiders.
Raise a glass to the Heavens boys and hope, that if true, Jim is the equal of his brother Jon (if not better) and not the Rob to his brother Rex.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:19 am
I’d be happy with Harbaugh. I just think it’s BS
January 21st, 2010 at 10:20 am
Huff was a better option than Leinart, that’s how.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:20 am
Wow…Tiger (Horny) Woods is a Raider Fan!!
January 21st, 2010 at 10:20 am
sure…
now on with our regular programming…
JaCarcass sucks !!!
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LOL!
Lonetree – just struck me as ironic considering that we have the biggest problem in all of the NFL at QB with Russell and here we are divulging into the problems of Leinart. Frankly, I almost wish we would have drafted Leinart. We’d wouldn’t be much better off at QB, I know, but it would be an improvement and we’d at least not have drafted JaBeafcake and, therefore, wouldn’t have so much money tied up in our QB. But if it somehow makes you feel better about our Raiders, than by all means, go right ahead. While your at it, that Todd Haley sure stunk up the joint in KC, didn’t he?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:21 am
BTW..does ANYONE WONDER WHY AL HASN’T COME FORTH AND STATED WHAT’S HAPPENING WITH CABLE?
One thing Al LOVES is ‘rumors’..he lives for them.
It’s the one thing he seems to gravitate towards…the limelight..of keeping everyone “guessing” (I.E. predicting another one of his screwups)
Al will DRAGGGGGGGGGG it out as long as freaking possible…and when it gets the most bang for the buck (read: Al gets his jollies) THEN he’ll either announce Cable is fired…OR..he’ll gleefully announce how Cable is still on the payroll, while patting himself on the back for stringing everyone along…too damn stupid to realize it’s basically the off-season, and regardless people will ponder what might/might not be.
Hey, gives him a reason to get out of bed..that, and his regularly scheduled Depends rotation.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:21 am
Incorrect usage of the word divulging…
January 21st, 2010 at 10:22 am
We got two SPELLCHECKS on this blog!
January 21st, 2010 at 10:24 am
You pay for what you get. AD doesn’t believe in spending a lot of $’s on coaches. If he pays a schit salary he will get a schit coach. This is NOT rocker science. AD’s reputation with coaches precedes him. What coach in his right mind would tolerate that environment for so little compensation? Answer: a newbie wanting to move up the ladder or and over-the-hill failure frrom some other organization. And, we wonder why we can’t get decent coaching. Come on people, we are getting exactly what AD is paying for.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:26 am
“The reports that we’ve interviewed prospective head coaches is totally untrue, totally false,” said Herrera, adding that those reports were were “absolutely untrue, false and completely irresponsible.”
You know, whenever he goes into this ‘cover up mode’ that there’s some truth in the reports. He goes way over the top when things were reported on that he doesn’t want known. It’s really funny actually.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:28 am
# bcz24 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 10:21 am
Incorrect usage of the word divulging…
Should be delving
January 21st, 2010 at 10:29 am
#305, yeah, remember him on the sidelines at a play-off game, not sure if it was the afc championship or the divisional rd in ‘02.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:30 am
New NEWS!!!!!
Someone familiar to the situation heard from someone who knows about such things that Al is still in the process of deciding whether or not Cable will be retained.
Come back for an update at 9:00
January 21st, 2010 at 10:30 am
Rumors is an incredible album =)
January 21st, 2010 at 10:31 am
I didnt say he spelled it wrong, I said its the wrong word. Divulge means to disclose or reveal… we werent disclosing or revealing anything about Leinart on this blog, we were discussing and article that was written about him.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:31 am
Harbaugh? LMAO..give me a break? Never happen.
Just signed a 3 year extension a month ago.
One thing he knows about the Raiders is how Al screwed over Gruden, and then witnessed how Al took over as GM.
Being in the bay area, he’s seen the billboards about fans wanting Al to butt the hell out, and has read all of the pundits comments about Al being a total control freak..
How, in their right mind, would want that?
Leave Stanford, and his new contract, to soil his resume with a stint under the worst owner in all of sports?
Nope, lol..never happen.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:32 am
We got two SPELLCHECKS on this blog!
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lol. Boy, I just got busted didn’t I? Whew. Good catch, Bcz24. Lurking behind the trees, just waiting to pounce on me, aren’t you? Good job. Want a cookie?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:32 am
How s/b who
January 21st, 2010 at 10:33 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:44 am
Bananas,
as 1,100 posts per day on this site dissect, intersect, interpret, villify, cry out, chastise, blame, prognosticate and speculate about JaFreaking Russell isn’t there a moment to have a thought which diverges from the tedium of the endless rehashing?
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Fargas sucks
January 21st, 2010 at 10:33 am
Chocolate Chip please =)
January 21st, 2010 at 10:34 am
harbaugh would obviously be a good hire, but the media spins everything outta control. the hue jackson hire would be good too, only if they scrap the zbs and go back to power, signing and drafting some lineman.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:35 am
lol
January 21st, 2010 at 10:35 am
Leave Stanford, and his new contract, to soil his resume with a stint under the worst owner in all of sports?
Nope, lol..never happen.
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Never saw a good coach spoil his resume here. Gruden immediately got a good contract with the Bucs.
Norv Turner is now the HC of the Chargers (okay, that’s imbarassing, but….still…..)
Kiffin got a HC job in UT and then USC after here.
Don’t that that would worry people.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:38 am
Cable will be back like richochet said al just likes to string people along. When you read between the lines and look at the signs all signs point to cable returning.
1. at the end of the season when asked about his feelings toward wether he’d be back or not, cable had no signs of worry on his face and sounded a lil too confident.
2. Al hasn’t gotten rid of him yet even many days after the season has ended.
3. Cable has the support of the locker room and majority of fans.
4. None of the canidates that have been proclaimed to have interviewed say they have not been interviewd.
5. all of the true interviewees have worked with cable in the past at some point of time in their coaching carreers, and if al were to fire cable I doubt he’d hire a full staff before bringing in a new coach.
5 signs, there you go cable will be coach… remmember you heard it here first people.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:43 am
It’s pretty easy to figure out why guys like Harbaugh won’t come near us. Look how the current coach is being treated? He doesn’t even know if he has a job, while others are being interviewed for his job. Does Davis not think the people he’s trying to hire can see that?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:44 am
thanks 4eva & Raider75 (posts 168 & 177)
if Russell Okung, Bruce Campbell & Anthony Davis are anything like Kwame Harris, Khalif Barnes & Cornell Green then i’ll pass!!!
that being said, build the o-line and rushing yards will come!
January 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am
Dakota Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 10:33 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 9:44 am
Fargas sucks
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Well, he used to suck. Then we brought in DMAC. Now we all know Fargas could be a lot worse. And cost a lot more.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am
Dakota,
Fargas – career rushing attempts 827, 4.1 yards per carry, 9 fumbles
McF – career rushing attempts 217, 3.8 yards per carry, 7 fumbles.
not really much else to say except:
“If at first you don’t succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed.” – Curly Howard
January 21st, 2010 at 10:45 am
A 3.5 million dollar raise is plenty of reason to leave Stanford. You have to be a pretty insecure coach to prefer a 1 million dollar job over a 5 million dollar job.
He’d be dumb to turn down that cash! Take the 2 years at 10 million and go somewhere else after you’re fired for cause, lol.
So is Tom Cable dumb for taking Al’s 3 million a year instead of remaining a line coach somewhere for what, 250k?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:46 am
Name the last successful OT we recruited… (the jury’s still out on Henderson).
January 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am
Kiffin being fired in spectacular fashion, Al seeking to humiliate him to the public.
Gruden being low balled and eventually traded when he has the Raiders playing their best football in nearly two decades.
The current head coach not being informed of his job status, while others are brought in to interview for his job.
I dunno. I’m thinking maybe these 3 things are contributing to coaches telling Al “no thanks” before he’s even finished asking them if they want to coach here?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am
Never saw a good coach spoil his resume here.
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Art Shell? Mike White? Art Shell? Joe Bugel? Randy Hanson?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am
Never saw a good coach spoil his resume here. Gruden immediately got a good contract with the Bucs.
Norv Turner is now the HC of the Chargers (okay, that’s imbarassing, but….still…..)
Kiffin got a HC job in UT and then USC after here.
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Exactly …
And make millions of dollars while coaching thne Raiders on top of it.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:48 am
Yea to be honsest if I were cable I’d dog it like kiffen did if al treated me the way he’s treating cable right now. if you’re going to fire me fire, if not all this interviewing people having a man second guess himself is pretty f’d up if you ask me.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:48 am
No way Cable makes $3 million a year…
January 21st, 2010 at 10:49 am
HA! Bo…you’re joking right?
Art Shell didn’t ruin his resume here. He was out of coaching for 5 years and then went back out of coaching when he left.
Okay, maybe I should emphasize one word….
I never saw a GOOD coach spoil his resume here.
OMG and you include Randy Hanson in your examples…..
January 21st, 2010 at 10:49 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am
Kiffin being fired in spectacular fashion, Al seeking to humiliate him to the public.
Gruden being low balled and eventually traded when he has the Raiders playing their best football in nearly two decades.
The current head coach not being informed of his job status, while others are brought in to interview for his job.
I dunno. I’m thinking maybe these 3 things are contributing to coaches telling Al “no thanks” before he’s even finished asking them if they want to coach here?
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That and the fact that Al probably has more respect for John Herrera than he does for his head coaches.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:50 am
JHill, I honestly don’t think there’s any amount of money that will get someone like Harbaugh to come here.
Two things:
1) They know it’s going to end bad, and even though they’ll get paid, when things do go bad, and they will, Al will seek to destroy their reputation the way he tried to do with Kiffin.
2) There’s the possibility they won’t get paid, regardless. Al still owes Shannahan money. So, whatever big chunk of change Al’s lures them with, they may never see it.
Al can offer Harbaugh a billion dollars and he’s not going to coach here. He has an agent. They’re not stupid. They know Al will find some way to fire him for cause, and he’ll just wind up wasting a year and a half of his life.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
Does Davis not think the people he’s trying to hire can see that?
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MR,
Al traded Gruden, fired Kiffin “for cause”, asked for two 1st rounders for Jerry Porter & selected Heyward-Bey in the Top 10 last year.
obviously the man has lost touch with reality. to his defense, he’s 81 years old. Him talking about the Raiders of old with great memory & detail is like an old war veteran telling their story to anybody eager or willing to listen. he’s living in the past and he’s still pretty sharp explaining old philosophies and such, but as he relates to today’s NFL the man clearly has no clue how to turn around a sinking ship and he’s not looking for help either.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:51 am
# raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 10:35 am
Leave Stanford, and his new contract, to soil his resume with a stint under the worst owner in all of sports?
Nope, lol..never happen.
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Never saw a good coach spoil his resume here. Gruden immediately got a good contract with the Bucs.
Norv Turner is now the HC of the Chargers (okay, that’s imbarassing, but….still…..)
Kiffin got a HC job in UT and then USC after here.
Don’t that that would worry people.
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Gruden was the last of the “has an actual functioning GM” coaches with the Raiders..hence the team progressing under him. Gruden was an asst..looking to get his foot in the door. Once he did, he took it and ran.
Norv was a previous HC with less than stellar results, who wanted another shot, even with the Raiders.
Went to be OC in SF prior to SD hirings.
Kiffin didn’t even interview for the HC job..he interviewed as the OC…which really makes his hiring weird as hell. After Sark turned it down, the job was offered to Kiffin, who was just a college asst..so yeah, lol..who wouldn’t go from college asst. to HC..of any team..in the NFL?
Kiffin took on the old man, and that got noticed.
Yeah, for some it’s worth the negativity that goes along with working for Al, to get your foot in the door..but Harbaugh is hardly in that category.
assts and retreads..that is the lot in life of all future Raider coaches.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:52 am
Maverick, Shell did ruin his resume here. He had a good coaching record before his second stint. Now he’s below .500, I believe. He felt he owed something to Al. He owed Al nothing. Shell is just another person Al Davis manipulated and ruined.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:52 am
MR,
Lance does well enough humiliating himself (see proposal for Lame Kitten Sewage Center), he is a billboard for the axiom “give him enough rope…”
January 21st, 2010 at 10:55 am
Lonetree,
My point is, what coach is going to want to come here and have Al attempt to humiliate them, and, worse yet, not even pay them, when things go bad?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:58 am
I want a cookie!
January 21st, 2010 at 10:58 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 10:52 am
Maverick, Shell did ruin his resume here. He had a good coaching record before his second stint. Now he’s below .500, I believe. He felt he owed something to Al. He owed Al nothing. Shell is just another person Al Davis manipulated and ruined.
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When Shell left here the first time he had a good record. He didn’t try to go onto coaching in other places despite the fact that he could have. He went to work for the League. If he wanted another job he could’ve gotten one. Noone else would have hired him as HC, but noone would’ve before he became HC for the Raiders.
I’m saying GOOD coaches guys. If Gruden came here he could afterwards go somewhere else with no problem. If Harbaugh came here, he could go somewhere else afterwards without any problem. People actually do seem to respect Al’s ability to find young coaches still. After we interview younger guys they almost always end up HC the next year somewhere even if they don’t want our job.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:59 am
MR,
you always have the same point. and the point of that is…?
January 21st, 2010 at 10:59 am
I believe Cable presented his plan to improve the offense to Al, and it included a staff change or two.
So Al told him to go see if Cable’s targets are available, etc. and willing to come in and talk.
Cable plays out his contract in 2010 with a “perform or else” mandate. Al gets to review a few new coaching options, and even see one perform for a year as playcaller.
Seems fair to Cable. Of course Al could always find someone so impressive he pays Cable off.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:59 am
No way Cable makes $3 million a year…
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Agreed. he’s probably the lowest paid HC in the NFL
January 21st, 2010 at 11:00 am
As the Raiders deny that they have commenced the process of interviewing potential replacements for head coach Tom Cable, reports continue to persist that the Raiders are exploring possible upgrades.
Adam Schefter of ESPN hasn’t backed off his claims that the Raiders gauged the interest of Stanford coach Jim Harbaugh. Jason La Canfora of NFL Network says that the Raiders have made overtures to Harbaugh via the “back channels.”
And Bay Area media guy Rich Lieberman insists that Harbaugh has met with Davis, and Lieberman suggests that a four-year, $20 million offer could get the deal done.
So stay tuned. Though Cable might survive, there are plenty of people who think that one of the factors will be whether they can get the replacement that they want.
Possibly, they want Harbaugh.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:00 am
Lonetree, what’s your overall point of being here? I have just as much right to comment here as you do. It’s Jerry’s blog, not yours.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:01 am
I think you’re pretty much right there Bo. Al’s keeping Cable. But he’s not totally certain about it so he’s feeling around for future and picking brains on how to turn the thing around.
He’s definitely going to get an Offensive Coordinator if Cable stays.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:02 am
3 million would be the lowest paid coach in the league.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:03 am
Well, Maverick, whatever you say, regarding Shell. The bottom line is he had a pretty good winning percentage before he came back for his second stint. He should have hung up when Al asked him to come back. He owed Al nothing. If the Raiders hadn’t have drafted him, someone else would have. And it was probably Wolf that wanted him, anyway. Considering Al Davis prioritizes his offensive line about as high as he prioritizes paying coaches.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 10:59 am
No way Cable makes $3 million a year…
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Agreed. he’s probably the lowest paid HC in the NFL
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There are probably HC’s in Division 1aa that are paid more than Tom Cable.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am
JaBlubber lovers (and yes, I know some of you are still backing him) :
if you’re giving JR a pass because his uncle died last spring, does that mean Cable gets a pass too? He lost his father in Feb.
plus you know Jawgate & ESPN’s history of violence toward women reports were huge distractions from coaching – even if he acted like they weren’t …
I’m not backing Cable. just an honest question to those who want Russell here & Cable out.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am
I am really glad we aren’t hearing any Greg Knapp rumors…
January 21st, 2010 at 11:04 am
…or Tom Walsh.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:05 am
Kiffin only made $2 million, I am sure Cable doesn’t make more than that.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:06 am
3 million would be the lowest paid coach in the league.
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Jhill, where can I look up that info?
can you post it on here?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am
For example, the Bucs still owe Gruden $15 million over the next three years after firing him in January. Broncos owner Pat Bowlen has to pay former head coach Mike Shanahan $7 million annually over the next three years. In contrast, a first-time NFL head coach usually draws an average salary in the range of $2 million to $2.5 million.
Tomlin even spoke about the economic factors when he recently told NBC’s Bob Costas that young head coaches are “cheap labor.”
“When you look at a lot of these situations, you are talking about coaches who are replacing older guys who are still getting paid,” Edwards said. “Don’t get me wrong. I’m happy for all those guys. But if you’re a young coach, you’re not demanding as much money because you’re just happy to be there. And if it doesn’t work out, [the team] doesn’t feel it as much financially.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&page=hotread1/youngcoaches
January 21st, 2010 at 11:07 am
Comment to everyone except MR:
I wonder in Ron Wolf evers talks with Al these days.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:08 am
Kiffin only made $2 million, I am sure Cable doesn’t make more than that.
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yup. Kiffin signed a two-year deal worth about $4 million with a team option for 2009 when he took over in 2007.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:08 am
Rockstar, instead of making excuses for Cable, why not just tell us what he’s accomplished? Oh, that’s because there is nothing. It’s called the professional world, Rockstar. Distractions happen. Professionals get the job done in spit of distractions. So, if your excuse for Cable is that the media outing him as a woman beater made it too hard for him to focus, it’s not going to fly.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:08 am
Ok Rockstar. You don’t want Cable and you don’t want Russell. Who do you want? And please don’t say Cowher, Gruden and Peyton Manning.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:08 am
“in spite of”, not in “spit”. We’ve got some desperate ones here today that will try to nail me for anything. LOL.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:10 am
Comment to everyone but Bo:
Do any of you ever wonder why Ron Wolf doesn’t visit Al Davis anymore?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:10 am
2 million?
1.5?
The point is, it’s more than the 250k he would have made as a OL coach in Seattle before being fired along with the rest of Mora’s staff.
And the 5 million to Harbaugh would be WAY more than the 1.5 he’s getting from Stanford.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am
JHill, Harbaugh’s not coming here for 2 billion, let alone 2 million. Al won’t pay him, anyway. Do you think Harbaugh hasn’t spoken with Kiffin or Shannahan?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:12 am
MR,
you are full of the humors, as in blood, phlegm and bile, but never humorous. sarcastic of course, but never humorous.
as for myself,it humors me to visit with the folks here.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:13 am
Last I checked, Al Davis can’t file for a restraining order to keep Shannahan and Kiffin from talking to his coaching prospects. LOL. They talk. Coaches always talk to each other. They’re a fraternity. Harbaugh knows the deal in Oakland. It doesn’t matter what Al offers him. Al won’t pay him, anyway. So what’s the difference?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:14 am
MR,..I see you are enjoying another pleasant day in here,..you should come up here, south shore, (if you have 4 wheel drive and chains)….enjoy a tall glass of brandy,…get high…enjoy the championship games this sunday,…f*ck the Raiders for a few months,..you deserve an offseason too bro!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:14 am
Lonetree, if you have a problem with my comments, you don’t have to read them. Again, this isn’t your blog. You can contact the moderators. If they feel I’m violating any rules, they can take the appropriate action. But I don’t think I am.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:15 am
By the way, my 4 team parlay,..took both home teams, both overs.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:15 am
i honestly want cable and zbs out. he prides himself in finding o-lineman late in drafts and or other team’s scraps. we need to invest on getting o-lineman at all costs and run power football.if he’s already out as play-caller isn’t it big change in a coaching perspective already.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:15 am
Wow, Norco, your life is so cool. Well, your imaginary life, that is.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:16 am
Record snow falling by the way,…Folsom lake will be filled to the brim this year!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:16 am
Lol,..oh MR,…if I said I lived in south sac, Mack rd,…the ghetto,..would you believe that?…lol
January 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
Ok Rockstar. You don’t want Cable and you don’t want Russell. Who do you want?
***
Seymour Bush:
for QB?
Gradkowski, Frye, Losman, Southwick & Tebow (open competition)
for HC?
Jim Harbaugh, Leslie Frazier, Jim Fassel, Winston Moss, Marc Trestman, Kevin Gilbride, Rob Ryan (in that order)
January 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 10:47 am
Never saw a good coach spoil his resume here. Gruden immediately got a good contract with the Bucs.
Norv Turner is now the HC of the Chargers (okay, that’s imbarassing, but….still…..)
Kiffin got a HC job in UT and then USC after here.
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Exactly …
And make millions of dollars while coaching thne Raiders on top of it.
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Actually the term “Never saw a good coach spoil his resume here” doesn’t apply…NO GOOD COACHES HAVE COME TO THE RAIDERS.
Right?
rethreads..assts looking for a shot..that’s all that will contemplate accepting the job.
But, as been pointed out, last few years Al has tarnished his image more than the previous few decades COMBINED.
You let a Gruden go..you embarrass the hell out of a team legend, Shell, you embarrass the organization with that sorry silly overhead projector fiasco, with the sole purpose of trying to make a case (failing miserably so) to NOT HAVE TO PAY THE GUY..
Hell..ADD TO THAT CABLE WAS PROMOTED IN WEEK 4 LAST YEAR..that Cable CONTINUED to hold the Oline position coach…AND WAS NOW HC..and didn’t get a freaking dime more in pay….
Al’s one of the dumbest skinflints in history.
Spends silly money on players, and trys to save on coaches.
Recipe for disaster.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:10 am
Comment to everyone but Bo:
Do any of you ever wonder why Ron Wolf doesn’t visit Al Davis anymore?
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He doesn’t? You know this how? You stalkin’ the old man?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
If you don’t believe that a coach would come to Oakland for a significant raise in salary, then I’ll just say you are entitled to your opinion.
Al: Jim, I got this job for ya that pays 3 million
Jim: HC? Raiders? Nah, I need 5, at least.
Al: OK, I’ll get back to you.
ESPN: Harbaugh turns down Raiders.
SFGate: 4 years 20 million might Harbaugh to Oakland.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
Cal Trans is making people with 4 wheel drive strap chains on,..Iv actually never seen that before.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:18 am
# Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:16 am
Lol,..oh MR,…if I said I lived in south sac, Mack rd,…the ghetto,..would you believe that?…lol
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Yes, actually.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:18 am
Wow. So Norco gets channel 3…
January 21st, 2010 at 11:20 am
So MR,..you think I never get to Tahoe?…lol,..actually not that much of an accomplishment,..its free to be there, less then an hour from where I live,…its not like Im saying Im hangin in Aspen,..lol.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:21 am
They wouldnt like me in south sac bro,..Mack rd,…Power Inn,…I dont have the look. lol
January 21st, 2010 at 11:21 am
we should have hired Mike Holmgren in the front office. Him & Ron Wolf might have came as a package deal!
but Al Davis isn’t looking for help. Raiders 2010 division champs!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:21 am
Not channel 3 MR,..channel 903!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
With all that said Richochet,
People still don’t pass up winning lottery tickets. Millions of dollars of income is millions of dollars of income.
Even if Al tries to not pay FUTURE $ owed, the 2 million a year they earned for 2 years is still more than they would have every recieved as a USC asst or a Seahwaks Oline coach!
I just can’t understand this I have to have the perfect working conditions to accept a job mentality. Especially one that pays so well.
This is the 2nd year that has gone by and Harbaugh has not gotten a job anywhere else, lol. I wonder which job he’s really waiting for? Did USC call? Tenn?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:23 am
Raiders must know Im a sucker,..sent me an email reminder this morning that my renewel package is on its way, arriving by the 28th,..,theyve never donethat before,..guess they are bracing us all…Im renewing, all good,..one of the last places a guy can get drunk in public.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:23 am
Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:20 am
So MR,..you think I never get to Tahoe?
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Well of course you do, Bob. When I was a kid I used to imagine going all kinds of places. And it was almost like I was there. You just have a good time in …tahoe, Bob. LOL.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:24 am
# Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:21 am
They wouldnt like me in south sac bro,..Mack rd,…Power Inn,…I dont have the look. lol
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The look is poor. And, I’m quite sure you have it. It’s just too bad you deal with it by demeaning other poor people.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:25 am
SFGate: 4 years 20 million might bring Harbaugh to Oakland
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I think theres a better chance we let Seymour walk in free agency (none)
January 21st, 2010 at 11:25 am
Not that great a time,..havent hit a 4 team parlay all year,..Horizon is closing,..Mt Bleu sucks,..Bills is closed,..the indian casinos have pretty much destroyed gambling in tahoe….no sports books in indian casinos though.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:25 am
# Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:16 am
Lol,..oh MR,…if I said I lived in south sac, Mack rd,…the ghetto,..would you believe that?…lol
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NorcoDorko?
You already stated you DON’T live in South Shore..that you live more than an hour away.
Trip down memory lane:
RichoCoolGuy: “You’re in south shore? And you’re here blogging? Weird priorities”
Norco: “Don’t live there..I’m an hour away..I’m home now”
Let me guess..You’re in the Rocklin, Placerville, Fair Oaks triangle?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:26 am
In a year, only casinos in tahoe will be harveys/harrahs and mt blue,..lakeside inn I dont go to,..north shore has a couple,..but who goes there?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:26 am
# Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:21 am
Not channel 3 MR,..channel 903!
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Comcast triple play. And I’m supposed to believe you’re rolling in dough and taking trips to south shore on a regular basis?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:26 am
I live in diamond springs.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
Bobby,
seen Big Ben in Tahoe recently?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
The contract Harbaugh is looking at from Stanford is a five year deal at $1.25 million per season..which would be $6.25 million over the course fo the contract.
I doubt he would leave Stanford for Oakland and their standard 2 year contract with team options for 2 or 3 additional years at $2-2.5 million a season…especially given Al’s history of ripping coaches off.
Al would have to have a huge change in his philosophy to pay Harbaugh the $4-5 million a year, with a longer term guaranteed than he usually pays out…say 4-5 years and none of those team-option gimmicks, that it would take to entice Harbaugh away from Stanford.
Why leave a job that 1) doesn’t have an insane man looking over your shoulder, 2) has more stability 3) has more talent…. unless Al makes the money too good to pass up.
Al still thinks he is the coach….and he probably still believes that it is a privilege to coach the Raiders and that it will only take a slight increase in pay to get someone like Harbaugh into Oakland.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
No MR,..lol,..iv actually never been to tahoe,…lol..I live off florin.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:28 am
wesee big ben at the celeb golf tourney every year,…that event is awesome,..dude can golf for sure.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:29 am
# Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:27 am
No MR,..lol,..iv actually never been to tahoe,…lol..I live off florin.
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Florin and what? Because the part of Florin around I5 and Kennedy High is a nice area. But of course, you know that.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:29 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:23 am
Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:20 am
So MR,..you think I never get to Tahoe?
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Well of course you do, Bob. When I was a kid I used to imagine going all kinds of places. And it was almost like I was there. You just have a good time in …tahoe, Bob. LOL.
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WTF?? Tahoe is a day trip..what are you talking about?
We would leave bayarea at 5, be in line to ski at 8:30, and be home by 8 or 9 that night…Closer if you want to hit Bear…
South Shore..summer time..it’s hopping then..in the winter just a lot of long slow lines of cars trying to stay out of snow drifts..this week? Have to be a fool to tackle Donner pass
January 21st, 2010 at 11:29 am
True. If Harbaugh were such a good prospect, wouldn’t other people have offered? I’m sure in the future he can eventually get a good position. Maybe in the not too distant future….but, it’s a good way in to go to the Raiders. If you do good your stock rockets for when you’re fired in 4 years. If you do bad everyone doesn’t blame you anyways as it’s all Al’s fault and you can get another good job anyways. What’s to loose?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:30 am
So you think that Harbaugh would stay at Stanford for 2 years for 2.5 million instead of going to the Raiders for 5?
Why would he leave 2.5 on the table?
ANd do you really think he wouldn’t be able to find work after he’s fired in 2 years? I mean, he is the great Jim Harbaugh after all.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:31 am
all this goofy crap about firing a Head Coach before looking for a new one is just plain stupid…
in every other business… you have a replacement ready BEFORE you pull the trigger on firing a key manager…
not after…
January 21st, 2010 at 11:31 am
Im actually considering letting you all follow me on twitter,…not sure yet,..or my facebook page,…you may be surprised who follows me on twitter…and I post alot of twitpics too…just did about 20 minutes ago,..anyone want to follow?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:32 am
Richochet, my point is, I don’t think “Bob”, aka “b rien” aka “bo schembechler jackson” is in Tahoe. I think he’s on his lap top in his apartment, in some town. But it’s not tahoe.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:32 am
Well richie, we go 50 of course,..and got here early,…80 is always worse…but we never go to north shore anyway,..too quiet.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:32 am
# Norco Bob Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:26 am
I live in diamond springs.
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Just barely made it inside the triangle…
Placerville..LOTS of trips up there, and abouts, growing up, doing the gold panning bit..horse back trips…beautiful country.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:32 am
Its ok MR,..not trying to convince you baby,..you are unhappy enough as it is.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:33 am
Yeh. What’s your twitter and facebook names, Bob?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:33 am
Placerville is strugglin,..the main bars in hangtown are now closed,..liars bench, etc,..strugglin.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:33 am
Oooh, now hes’ back to the “unhappy” comebacks. I guess you gave up on the whole “I’m going to pretend I’m in some resort town, so everyone will think I’m important” angle, huh?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:34 am
Lol,..no thanks MR,..(as if I knew you wouldnt ask) lmao
January 21st, 2010 at 11:34 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:32 am
Richochet, my point is, I don’t think “Bob”, aka “b rien” aka “bo schembechler jackson” is in Tahoe. I think he’s on his lap top in his apartment, in some town. But it’s not tahoe.
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Was more referring to your comment about how ‘cool’ it must be to be in tahoe..just saying Tahoe’s ok, but not a big deal.
that said..would LOVE to live on that Lake..actually scuba dived it once
January 21st, 2010 at 11:34 am
Hhaha,..thanks MR,..knew that was coming.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:35 am
Tahoe’s nice, richochet. I’m due for snowboarding and hitting a couple of casinos at south shore. Norco, you’re welcome to come with, considering I doubt you’ve been to tahoe in years. Just let me know where off Florin you live.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:35 am
Yeah, Placerville seemed to thrive off the tourist bit..at least back when we got to them parts.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:35 am
I doubt he would leave Stanford for Oakland and their standard 2 year contract with team options for 2 or 3 additional years at $2-2.5 million a season…especially given Al’s history of ripping coaches off.
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No chit!! Al is a freakin thief!!
I wouldn’t want to work for him, knowing he doesn’t pay up!!
What…you want me to work for free!!
That’s the type of chit Coaches take in consideration before taking a job with us!!
No one in the right state of mind would!!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:36 am
I don’t think “Bob”, aka “b rien” aka “bo schembechler jackson” is in Tahoe.
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BSJ = Bob or Br1en? LOL
let’s find out …
hey Bobby, whats your take on Southwick & Losman?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:36 am
Poor ol MR,..in here daily,..always crying about the raiders,…pulling his hair out in here daily, so mad at the owner,…MR, try and relax, more to life them whining about al davis,..lol…catch ya all tonight maybe…cya
January 21st, 2010 at 11:37 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:17 am
Ok Rockstar. You don’t want Cable and you don’t want Russell. Who do you want?
***
Seymour Bush:
for QB?
Gradkowski, Frye, Losman, Southwick & Tebow (open competition)
for HC?
Jim Harbaugh, Leslie Frazier, Jim Fassel, Winston Moss, Marc Trestman, Kevin Gilbride, Rob Ryan (in that order)
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Nice lists. Thank you. One thing that the playoffs have taught us is you HAVE to have the marquee Q. None of those guys have that ability. Grads and Frye have proven that they will not last 2-3 games behind our offensive line, so we are back to Russell again anyway, unless you cut him outright. JP Losman makes Russell seem like Dr. Stephen Hawking by the way. Losman ain’t the sharpest tool in the drawer. Southwick I will defer on, but I am a big Tebow guy, some guys just know how to play the game.
While Harbaugh and particularly Leslie Frazier would be VERY intriguing choices, most in their camps would agree that the very lst NFL Head Coaching position for either of them to take would not be with the Raiders. It is just TOO challenging for a guy with a real bright future. It’s the same way in Washington. No rookie head coach is going to have success dealing with Dan Snyder. (See Shanahan, Mike new Redskins HC). So even if the job was offered, chances are their agents or others around the league would counsel them against taking the gig. Which leaves the other established NFL guys to sort thru. End result is are ANY of those goes guaranteed to do any better? Probably not.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:40 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:32 am
Richochet, my point is, I don’t think “Bob”, aka “b rien” aka “bo schembechler jackson” is in Tahoe. I think he’s on his lap top in his apartment, in some town. But it’s not tahoe.
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LMAO.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:40 am
Oh, no Norco’s going back to the “your’e here all day (as if he isn’t…)” and “you’re unhappy”. blah blah. First it’s the “I’m in Tahoe!” (yeh..in tahoe…who in the hell goes to tahoe just to sit on the internet?)
January 21st, 2010 at 11:41 am
# Florida Pete Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:31 am
all this goofy crap about firing a Head Coach before looking for a new one is just plain stupid…
in every other business… you have a replacement ready BEFORE you pull the trigger on firing a key manager…
not after…
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Thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you not only know squat, but that you’re a freaking idiot…
WRONG, DUMBASS..that is NOT how it’s done.
I can name you HUNDREDS OF INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE GOT FIRED/CANNED/RELEASED..where the interviewing process THEN STARTED.
Who in the hell goes out and publicly INTERVIEWS..solicits applications…WHEN THE PERSON THEY’RE GOING TO REPLACE IS STILL ON THE JOB???
Boss: “Hi..oh..psst?? I’m going to fire Joebob over there…so I’m interviewing everyone before I can him…try to avoid eye contact with the other employees..don’t want them getting wind of it”
OR “Let’s keep this hush hush..don’t want it out..because, after all, interviewing while the guy is still on the job is about as sorryass tacky as you can get”????
YOU’RE A FREAKING IDIOT, LONEMORON.
NO ONE does it the way you said..just shows how little you know about business
January 21st, 2010 at 11:41 am
Oh, look at the timing! Hi, Bo. Where’s “return of godliness…”?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
I’ve been posting all afternoon MR. Pay attn.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
return of norco schembechler,
If you really are in tahoe, and you’re sitting on the internet for this long? That would be even more sad than living in a ghetto off of florin road. You’re in tahoe, you’re logging on to check your email, see if some 9/11 type of catastrophe happened, and that’s it. Then you’re shutting your lap top and it’s either off to the slopes of the casinos. But of course, you’re not really in Tahoe anyway. But just saying, if you were, it would be pretty sad.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
What are these handcuff that the owner places on coaches? Rookie coaches with no experience at that?
And why should Kiffin be paid for the two year HE DIDN”T COACH THE TEAM when he got fired for, well, trying to get fired?
Cable is responsible for the game plan, personnel, and lack of offensive production!
Jim Harbaugh is a BETTER offensive mind! I doubt we will see the same bland ass vanilla offense we had with Cable. If we do, then Harbaugh SHOULD be fired for cause!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
JP Losman makes Russell seem like Dr. Stephen Hawking by the way. Losman ain’t the sharpest tool in the drawer.
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Losman’s 3rd year in the league he had a MUCH worse O-Line that Russell did this year. JP got sacked 47 times! JR 33 times this year. Raider QB’s went down 49 times total.
Losman (3rd year in the league) passed for over 3000 yards and 19 TD’s. QB Rating of 85. completed 63 percent of his passes
if Russell put up those kind of numbers nobody would ask for him to be benched or released. and he certainly wouldn’t get beat out by Gradkowski or Frye!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
Oh, sure, “Bo”.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
Well, afternoon here at least.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:45 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:44 am
Oh, sure, “Bo”.
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No problem, “StrahanManNY”.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:45 am
Al didn’t pay Shanahan. Al didn’t pay Kiffin. But Kiffin was literally trying to get himself fired and intentionally screwing things upI think anyways once the coach gets another job you don’t have to pay out the remainder of the contract. That’s why these coaches like Shannahan who now is with the Redskins had to get a better deal than just sitting at home and getting paid after being fired.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Thanks for the logic there RRS. Losman would be a huge upgrade from day one.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
strahanmanNY…LOL. OK. That’s funny, though.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Who were Losman’s WRs?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Florida Pete? LMFAO..even better.
My bad LoneMoron..that astute, head up ass take was from Florida “dumber than Cotton” Petey..
I should have known
January 21st, 2010 at 11:48 am
J P Losman is nice competition for the QB spot.
Anymore former first rounders out there we can resurrect? Looking for a C, RT, and MLB!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:49 am
Maverick, you see it that way. But does Harbaugh see it that way? Is Harbaugh looking at the Kiffin situation, how Kiffin basically tried to change the culture in Oakland and bring a winning attitude to the team, something Harbaugh would try to do if hired here, as well, and how Kiffin was fired and humiliated, and eventually not paid, and thinking, “well, he shouldn’t have messed with big bad AL”? I know that’s how you see it. But is that how potential coaching candidates see it? Remember, they aren’t Raider fans. They don’t have an undying loyalty to Al Davis, like you.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:50 am
I didn’t know Losman was that good. Why didn’t he even catch on as a backup on any other team?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:50 am
Looking for a C, RT, and MLB!
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Jhill,
quit fooling around man. you know Cable is content with Satele, Green & Morrison!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:50 am
Bo pops up, Norco’s gone…
January 21st, 2010 at 11:52 am
Tahoe sucks, you dumb hicks! Man, I had the unfortunate experience of having to spend a day in your slack jawed back wood excuse for town a few year ago and nearly suffocated from boredom.
No wonder you tools write like you’ve been sniffing glue / chugging motor oil all morning. I’ve got a good mind to report the lot of you to the mod and have you banned on the grounds of human decency.
And here I thought KrappyKell and his grandson Brian the Genital were the bottom of the barrel.
Man, I can’t wait for Baja.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:52 am
Let the best QB in camp start P E R I O D .
January 21st, 2010 at 11:52 am
1. I don’t have an undying loyalty to Al Davis
2. Harbaugh knows Davis. So he knows what he’d be getting himself into. And I don’t think he is worried that Davis would do an overhead projector drill on him.
But, I don’t think he necessarily would see this as a good operating atmosphere or that he would be able to succeed within the limitations. There is a high level of instability – no doubt about that.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:52 am
2. Harbaugh knows Davis. So he knows what he’d be getting himself into.
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Which is why he’ll never take a job here.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am
Mary Steed is off her meds again…
January 21st, 2010 at 11:54 am
I didn’t know Losman was that good. Why didn’t he even catch on as a backup on any other team?
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Bills drafted Trent Edwards in 2007 to be “the guy”
Dick Jauron was a genious
Edwards “beat out” Losman to be starting QB in 2007 & 2008. Losman’s contract expired
Then Losman elected to start in the UFL rather than be a backup in the NFL. He got paid handsomely and still got to latch onto an NFL team after the UFL season was over and he had won the championship under Fassel
January 21st, 2010 at 11:54 am
Why the hell would Bo be Norco Bob. I mean why would someone be lame enough to try to enforce their opinion by “backing it” with themselves under another logon?
It’s true, it looks like one comes and the other goes. I hope to hell it ain’t true as that’s singularly adolescent.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:55 am
Helen Keller for GM!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:55 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:53 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:52 am
2. Harbaugh knows Davis. So he knows what he’d be getting himself into.
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Which is why he’ll never take a job here.
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You’re probably right
January 21st, 2010 at 11:55 am
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Who were Losman’s WRs?
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Josh Reed and Lee Evans. And Don’t forget Marshawn Lyncy was there while Losman was there, in addition to jason Peters who developed into a Pro Bowl tackle. Losman had talent around him. Trent Edwards certainly did well with the same cast.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:56 am
I’m goin to the slopes… poppin some pillz…they’ll kick in on the lift…later…ooops forgot to change my name…bummer.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:57 am
Thanks Seymour …
I see Rockstar did want to answer that one.
Now who were Russell’s cast? Ehhhh, doesn’t matter. I know, he sucks, lol!
January 21st, 2010 at 11:57 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:54 am
Why the hell would Bo be Norco Bob. I mean why would someone be lame enough to try to enforce their opinion by “backing it” with themselves under another logon?
.,………….
I wonder myself.
But there’s no doubt that Noco, B rien, return of godliness, and bo schembechler jackson are the same person. I thought bo was separate for a while, but he blew it yesterday.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:57 am
LOL.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:59 am
Yeah I blew it yesterday. Sure regret that mistake. Whatever it was.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Actually, I have a split personality and I post as Bo when I feel a little liberal.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Am I the only one paying attention? Norco Bob’s here for a half hour, bragging about tahoe, etc. Next thing you know, he disappears, Bo pops up. And, this isn’t the first time.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Bo is Bob!!
That makes a lot of sense!
Bob is Bo’s Alter Ego.
LMAO
January 21st, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I like Losman. I like his athleticism, I think he can play, he just really went down hill in Boofalo. I wonder if all the fans booing him had anything to do with it?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
The fact that you guys ignore the coaches ego angle is amazing. Gruden himself said he would come back to coach here for Pete’s sake. He wants us, be we (AL) don’t want him, lol!
Like Gruden said, the Raiders are a GLOBAL football team. To bring the Raiders back to prominence would INSTANTLY catapult you to coach of the year, and top guy in the league.
No one wants that challenge?
BULLSHYT!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Oh, I’m sure you don’t know what you did yesterday, but I do. Just try and switch up some of the insults you use toward others, for starters. And try not to come in and argue the exact same points under another name. That tends to give you up, too.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Feelin little liberals? Jeepers, you ARE Catholic!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Thanks Seymour …
I see Rockstar did want to answer that one
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yeah guys. the Bills are awesome! they are obviously just 1 QB away from a championship and Losman didn’t get it done. LOL
Nix as GM and now Gailey as HC should tell you all you need to know about that team. Tedy Bruschi was right to call them the Oakland Raiders of the East Coast!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
When in Rome….
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Am I the only one paying attention? Norco Bob’s here for a half hour, bragging about tahoe, etc. Next thing you know, he disappears, Bo pops up. And, this isn’t the first time.
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Somehow, just because someone comes, and someone else goes, doesn’t prove they are the same. In fact I have been called Captain Black, aig, and others, and I have no idea who any of those people are. Nor have I seen them.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
With all that said Richochet,
People still don’t pass up winning lottery tickets. Millions of dollars of income is millions of dollars of income.
Even if Al tries to not pay FUTURE $ owed, the 2 million a year they earned for 2 years is still more than they would have every recieved as a USC asst or a Seahwaks Oline coach!
I just can’t understand this I have to have the perfect working conditions to accept a job mentality. Especially one that pays so well.
This is the 2nd year that has gone by and Harbaugh has not gotten a job anywhere else, lol. I wonder which job he’s really waiting for? Did USC call? Tenn?
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Actually, Jhill, lots of people passed on that ‘lottery ticket’…from Sean Peyton, to Whizenhunt, to Sark, to Mike Martz..list is long, and getting longer, of coaches just deciding that to them, it’s not worth it.
No doubt a ton will snatch up a job only 32 in the world have, but, as is obvious, many just choose to not butt heads with Al.
As far as Harbaugh? Guys still young..don’t think he’s desperate, and obviously he’s currently a HC at Stanford..a high visibility job that he currently actually loves doing. It’s not like he’s approaching the end, and has to grasp at all offers..right?
He did interview with the Jets, I believe, before they settled on Ryan..so obviously he’s open to the NFL…
Of course, taking it a step further, a contract with Stanford means it might have to be bought out…
If that’s the case..can you see Al doing that? lol…I can’t.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Like Gruden said, the Raiders are a GLOBAL football team. To bring the Raiders back to prominence would INSTANTLY catapult you to coach of the year, and top guy in the league.
No one wants that challenge?
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Nope, no one wants it. And Gannon went on to day yesterday that he doesn’t think Gruden would come here under this situation. I think what Gruden meant is that he’ll come here when Al’s dead. JHill, let me know when we have another coach like Gruden while Al’s still alive.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Somehow, just because someone comes, and someone else goes, doesn’t prove they are the same.
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Oh, it’s more than that, trust me. That was just one obvious example. Anyhow, weak defense, AIG, I mean, Seymour. LOL.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:04 pm
I have been called Captain Black, aig, and others
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ahhhh, it all makes sense now!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Gannon went on to say yesterday, not “day”.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:06 pm
MR is a confirmed, admitted, and supposedly rehabilitated troll with multiple names. Getting accused by him of the same thing is really an honor. Sorta like setting new punting records.
Ain’t that right StrahanManNY?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:06 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Am I the only one paying attention? Norco Bob’s here for a half hour, bragging about tahoe, etc. Next thing you know, he disappears, Bo pops up. And, this isn’t the first time.
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Somehow, just because someone comes, and someone else goes, doesn’t prove they are the same. In fact I have been called Captain Black, aig, and others, and I have no idea who any of those people are. Nor have I seen them.
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Interesting that you leave out OAKGLENN, isn’t it, OakDork?
Yeah, fool..was VERY OBVIOUS you posted as Cappy..called your sorryass out on that…THEN VOILA’..just like that…a NEW NAME SHOWS UP…SEYMOUR BUTTS…
Oh..took back the assumption you’re AIG, OakDork.
Like AIG, you have the habit of doing the little kiddy posting, post after post after post after post..one sentence little whines, showing you’re frustration..and, like AIG, when you switch handles, you immediately jump in with those who crapped down your neck, making it obvious you’re cross posting…OH..AND THE FACT YOU ADMITTED IT??
Easy tell, OakDork, lol….big time.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Captain Black is Oakglenn. Everyone knows that. Oakglenn can’t resits those redundant question marks when he gets excited. Know what I mean??? Huh???
January 21st, 2010 at 12:07 pm
“resist”, not resits. f’n A.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:07 pm
the Bills have been trash since Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reed, James Lofton, Bruce Smith, etc. departed
January 21st, 2010 at 12:08 pm
The bills have been better than us since the Super Bowl loss, rockstar.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Odd how Captain Black was all over these boards..and now?
he’s “gone”
And now? Seymour is all over the boards…just like Cappy was..same comments..same M.O…same snide remarks directed at the same posters?
Same tail between leg.
Same “deer in headlight” look.
Yep,
It’s OakDork..the Board Beyotch..the Human Target…the poster child for “This is your brain, this is your brain on STUPID”.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Think only detroit has a worse record than us since ‘03.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Richochet,
I’m not saying specifically that Harbaugh will be the guy to come to Oakland. I’m speaking more to the notion that coaches won’t come here because of the owner. If a guy has other options at the time, then yeah to take more money and control all day long.
Peyton – more $ and control, but Benson is not an owner who knows football.
Wisenhunt – Better offer in Az.
Sark – That was wierd!
Martz – Don’t believe for a second that he wouldn’t have taken the job if offered. His agent got laughed at when he called the Raiders saying no thanks! I bet he even had to leave a message with the admin, lol. Him leaking his denial to the media? Not buying that at all.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:11 pm
JHill, let me know when we have another coach like Gruden while Al’s still alive.
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You mean some young OC who Al chooses over a guy like Belicheat and then picks his staff for him?
Will do!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Well I haven’t seen Oakglen or captain black since I’ve been posting. But I do know two things, wack-o you are the board biatch. That is clear.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Somehow, just because someone comes, and someone else goes, doesn’t prove they are the same.=============
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Well then, prove us wrong.
See…YOU stated, once you started posting as Seymour ‘Richochet has been stealing my comments all year’..admitting you’re cross posting.
So..if you’re not AIG or OakDork…who are you posting as?
Well?
Seymour: “oh damn…I’m going to ignore that one..maybe he won’t repost it..yeah, that’s it, that’s what I’ll do”
And you would be wrong
January 21st, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Would’ve been your boy Kiffin had he been a bit more, well, like Gruden.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:13 pm
hahahaha
January 21st, 2010 at 12:13 pm
The bills have been better than us since the Super Bowl loss, rockstar.
Think only detroit has a worse record than us since ‘03.
***
I think even the Lions trump us MR. not sure about this year – but before the season started they were better overall since 2003. We gained 3 games this season so it might be a close race. yippee!
Jon Kitna & Mike Martz almost had Detroit in the playoffs, remember? then lost 7 straight games after starting 7-2 or something. Reminds me of Denver nowadays
haha!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:13 pm
You foaming at the mouth again wack-o?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:14 pm
JHill, what do you not understand about the reality that Al Davis is noted to have refused paying his head coaches, one of them being one of the most respected coaches in NFL circles? Davis can offer someone like Harbaugh 50 billion dollars, doctor evil style. Harbaugh knows he’ll see about a million of it, tops, if even that. Al will find some kind of cause. Harbaugh knows that. HIs agent knows that. And that’s why even the promise of money won’t lure a good coach here anymore.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Remember me? You idiots are still getting played and don’t even know it.
King of the Trolls Says:
January 9th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I troll as Blackholepriest, MaddenRaider, Oakglenn’s Revenge, Unknown, Raiderdogg, Dakota, Kool Kell, Vegas Raider, Br1en, Mistabrown basically anyone.
My favorite way to troll is to act like Oakglenn and fire up MaddenRaider or act as MaddenRaider and fire up Oakglenn. Br1en is fun to troll too because I can say anything dumb and people always believe it is Br1en. Koolkell gets kind of boring because I just repeat crap about the last 6 years and Al Davis. No fun there.
So now you have it I have messed with you all and you didn’t even know it or you blamed each other.
You are a sorry bunch of children and you are very fun to mess with but my work here is done.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
oooh, he said I’m foaming at the mouth. I’m devastated. I think I’m going to run off now. Well, maybe not.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Well then, prove us wrong.
See…YOU stated, once you started posting as Seymour ‘Richochet has been stealing my comments all year’..admitting you’re cross posting.
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When did I say that? More figments of your pyschotic imagination no doubt. I think you are confusing cross posting with cross dressing. Now take off that womans bra and panties. Yeah, I know, for you wack-o wearing womens clothes is a comfort thing.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I can’t believe that people would really suffer from M.I.P.
Multiple Internet Personalities
Being wrong about something would really cause people to, well ….
Nahhhhhhh!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
has anyone here been called LMN???
January 21st, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Here’s what we know –
* MR is really Charged Down disguised as Dakota
* RaiderRockstar sometimes pretends he’s Brian the Genital, then crossposts as KrappyKell
* Vegas Raider sometimes believes he’s Norco Bob, but when he looks in the mirror in the morning his reflection is that of Albert Bigelow Paine
* Florida Pete recently took a dump on ricochet who then made out with M Lonetree while simultaneously passing his DNA into his bloodstream, which transformed him though mitosis into Bo Jackson
* Baja is going to RULE
January 21st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Trade DMAC for LMN!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
oooh, he said I’m foaming at the mouth. I’m devastated. I think I’m going to run off now. Well, maybe not.
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Actually, that was directed at the other wack-o. But nice to know you think of yourself as wack-o. It does fit you to a T.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Well, everyone in here must have some psychosis….after all, we’re still Raiders fans…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Mitosis? I use Listerine for that.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Bo hell yeah, I’ll show’em, but who would get DMAC then?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Richochet,
I’m not saying specifically that Harbaugh will be the guy to come to Oakland. I’m speaking more to the notion that coaches won’t come here because of the owner. If a guy has other options at the time, then yeah to take more money and control all day long.
Peyton – more $ and control, but Benson is not an owner who knows football.
Wisenhunt – Better offer in Az.
Sark – That was wierd!
Martz – Don’t believe for a second that he wouldn’t have taken the job if offered. His agent got laughed at when he called the Raiders saying no thanks! I bet he even had to leave a message with the admin, lol. Him leaking his denial to the media? Not buying that at all.
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actually Whiz didn’t get a better offer with Az…he turned it down with Al, and stayed on with Pittsburg for another year. After that year Az made him the offer.
martz? Well, let’s put it this way..Martz went public with the fact that, after meeting for whatever time it was with Al, that immediately following the meeting, where Martz felt it went well, and that he was going to receive an offer, he had his agent call the Raiders and tell them “thanks, but no thanks..don’t bother drawing up an offer”..NOW, HAD THAT NOT BEEN TRUE..you and I both know the Raiders would have very quickly gone public denying it..but they never did.
As well, when Martz started as OC with the Niners, and was interviewed, which I saw, he was again asked about the Raiders, and he again stated the same, adding “Just wasn’t something that I felt was a good match, and we’ll leave it at that”.
Again, public comments, and had it gone differently, Al would have immediately, if not shortly thereafter, denounced it.
They didn’t.
Considering the other decisions to back off, don’t see any reason to believe Martz would publicly lie.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Using Shannyrat as an example is ridiculous. Gruden came here despite that, lol!
Kiffin was trying to get fired, right or wrong? Why should Kiffin get paid after what he pulled?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:20 pm
trade 2010 Al Davis for 1980s Al Davis!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Maersk!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:21 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Using Shannyrat as an example is ridiculous. Gruden came here despite that, lol!
Kiffin was trying to get fired, right or wrong? Why should Kiffin get paid after what he pulled?
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Kiffin should be paid because he was the one drafting zach miller!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:21 pm
For Jerry and his know so much about Jon Gruden and his feelings towards Al Davis and the Raiders. Below is from what Jon Gruden told Gannon not long ago.
“I was with Jon and Bruce Allen about six weeks ago and we had that very same conversation, I asked him, ‘Would you ever go back and coach Oakland. You’d be surprised what Jon Gruden said. He said, ‘Absolutely.’ I don’t think he’ll go back under the current situation, but I know he loves northern California. He loves the Bay Area. He loved his time with the Oakland Raiders”.
There you go Jerry, right from the Horses mouth.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
NOOOOOOO la Milicia Negra….then we’d have 20 years of failure again!!!!!!
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# La Milicia Negra Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:20 pm
trade 2010 Al Davis for 1980s Al Davis!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Bo…
of course, LOL Im sure they could find some use for him somewhere =)
January 21st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Florida Pete? LMFAO..even better.
My bad LoneMoron..that astute, head up ass take was from Florida “dumber than Cotton” Petey..
I should have known
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hey… strap-on !!! so how is my little, obsessive-compulsive, manic, little buddy !!!
ya got yer little football helmet on ??? good…
looks like you had a little epiphany here… didn’t know who you were writing about, huh ??? oh well… not the first time… i’m sure it won’t be the last…
but you just keeping hacking… i’m sure you’ll get something right soon…
oh… the thing about hiring and firing…
smart businessmen know who they are going to hire before they fire… certainly who is interested…
now i’m sure you’ve seen lots of advertisements in the newspapers for professional coaches at all levels, in all sports…
and if you would just share the name of that publication with us…
why… we could all apply to be the next head coach or manager of a lot of teams…
equal opportunity you know???
January 21st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Raiders are 29-83 since 2003 (last 7 seasons)
January 21st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Snbnyjcbs,
Let me know when Gruden’s here, or any coach of his caliber, while Al Davis is still alive.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Maverick…
well im sure teh 1980s Al would understand the need of an GM in the 2010 market..
January 21st, 2010 at 12:23 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:21 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Kiffin should be paid because he was the one drafting zach miller!
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You certain? Davis loves him some TEs. Casper, Dudley, Christensen, Jolley…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Gruden would take the job. Al would NEVER offer it to him again. He publicly had his beatch boy Herrera say that Gruden is an average-at-best coach and point out how he has barely above a .500 record. He would never now backtrack and hire him.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Meyers!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:24 pm
jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Using Shannyrat as an example is ridiculous.
………….
Are you talking to me or Jim Harbaugh? Because I guarantee you he’s considering it. I guarantee you his agent is thinking about it. They’re certainly using it as an example. It’s their livelihoods. Harbaugh has a family. Kids he wants to put into school. If doesn’t want to waste a year and a half of his life coaching the Raiders for free.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:25 pm
He doesn’t want to waste a year of his life, not “if” wants to waste a year of his life. Typos off the charts today. Don’t know what to say. LOL.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:26 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:25 pm
He doesn’t want to waste a year of his life, not “if” wants to waste a year of his life. Typos off the charts today. Don’t know what to say. LOL.
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Sure “Dude”.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:27 pm
LMAO @ 513
January 21st, 2010 at 12:27 pm
BoSJackson is a closet homosexual
La Milicia Negra is an angry American ex-pat
Jhill is a borderline retard
Dakota makes love to animals
Richochet is a loser with few friends
Seymour Bush is a coward
MaddenRaider is bipolar
Rockstar is racist
Koolkell is racist
Lonetree wakes up everyday wishing for his youth
Mistabr0wn is obsessed
Priesttj is delusional
Did I miss anyone?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:27 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:23 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:21 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Kiffin should be paid because he was the one drafting zach miller!
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You certain? Davis loves him some TEs. Casper, Dudley, Christensen, Jolley…
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absolutely! no doubt about it, but im sure the company line is that Al was at Zachs 10 years birthday and have been following him ever since…
But hell yeah it was Kiffin, he rave about him, and this is speculation, Kiffin was allowed picking him because Al wanted JaMarcus…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:28 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:16 pm
I can’t believe that people would really suffer from M.I.P.
Multiple Internet Personalities
Being wrong about something would really cause people to, well ….
Nahhhhhhh!
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LOL..quite common among the “apron wearing” bunch.
Take AIG, for example. Stupidly posted how he beats up women, how he stays home while his wife works, how he’s afraid of guys on the street so he crosses the street to avoid them…took so much flack, he immediately changed his name. Once he got busted, he signs back in under AIG, rarely, to state ‘oh..now..here I am”.
Same with OakGlenn..guy was a pinata..first guy in the history of blogging who got a digital concussion from all the smack downs..he finally announced, in a most tearful way “I’m taking my BabyBop and going home..you guys are meanies”..with much fanfare, going away parties, testimonials..the whole bit…then immediately changed to Captain Black.
Got busted as Cappy..and now? Seymour Butts.
His decoder ring is in the mail.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Had Al Davis wanted an TE, he would have picked the fastest one… Zach wasnt the fastest, but he had the best hands and wasnt slow….
January 21st, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Kiffin also “drafted” McCown.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:30 pm
King of theTrolls Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:27 pm
BoSJackson is a closet homosexual
La Milicia Negra is an angry American ex-pat
Jhill is a borderline retard
Dakota makes love to animals
Richochet is a loser with few friends
Seymour Bush is a coward
MaddenRaider is bipolar
Rockstar is racist
Koolkell is racist
Lonetree wakes up everyday wishing for his youth
Mistabr0wn is obsessed
Priesttj is delusional
Did I miss anyone?
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Florida Pete is a genius???
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.
.
i’m just ASKING !!!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Oh Florida Pete, you actually left this site for many weeks after I trolled you for a while. What a puss.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Why should anyone not believe that our good players were likely picked by someone other than Al, and our bad players were picked by Al? I know it doesn’t seem fair, but when you have Al being the only constant in our 7 year collapse, it’s not a far fetched accusation.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:31 pm
LOL, well we all know Kiffin wanted him because he knew that Jammy was shyt.. I still want McCown over Jammy…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Biz Markie? Oh snap!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Yeah, I remember Kiffin stupidly playing McCown just to prove his point. It was the opposite of the Jamarcus debicle this year.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Did I miss anyone?
***
King of theTrolls: tons!
what about 4eva, Hwnrdr, Dirt Lot, TW, Beeecham, norko bob, Raider O, Luci, Pete, Einstein, happy troll, maverick, M, Banana, Exla …
January 21st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Maverick, what point was Kiffin trying to prove by playing McCown?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
McCown would have won 5 games for us this season, had he been the starter…how much did Jammy win?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Kiffin sat a big black QB (Culpepper) to start a hard-working but thoroughly undertalented QB (McCown). This year we played a big black QB(who happens to be the antithesis of hard working) and sat a hard working and mediocrely talented QB (Gradowski)
January 21st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Yikes
January 21st, 2010 at 12:35 pm
wack-o if anyone in here is a pinata it’s you dude. So who am I, oakglen, captain black, aig, or someone else? Or are you even more confused?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:35 pm
He was trying to show that the man he chose was the best. He’s as stubborn as Al is.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:35 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Florida Pete? LMFAO..even better.
My bad LoneMoron..that astute, head up ass take was from Florida “dumber than Cotton” Petey..
I should have known
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hey… strap-on !!! so how is my little, obsessive-compulsive, manic, little buddy !!!
ya got yer little football helmet on ??? good…
looks like you had a little epiphany here… didn’t know who you were writing about, huh ??? oh well… not the first time… i’m sure it won’t be the last…
but you just keeping hacking… i’m sure you’ll get something right soon…
oh… the thing about hiring and firing…
smart businessmen know who they are going to hire before they fire… certainly who is interested…
now i’m sure you’ve seen lots of advertisements in the newspapers for professional coaches at all levels, in all sports…
and if you would just share the name of that publication with us…
why… we could all apply to be the next head coach or manager of a lot of teams…
equal opportunity you know???
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That’s your weak ass answer?
Now you really appear ignorant.
WRONG AGAIN, FOOL.
“smart managers know who’s interested”?? LMFAO..YOU DUMBASS. The guy STILL HAS A JOB..HOW IN THE HELL CAN HE POSSIBLY KNOW WHO’S INTERESTED IN THAT POSITION?
And yeah, little man, I’ve seen LOTS of advertisements for jobs..NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS FOR ONE THAT SOMEONE WAS STILL OCCUPYING, you dumbass.
Like I said, stick to what you know..gardening. Leave the business talk to those that have a clue.
See, dumbass, no quality person wants to work for someone who goes out and advertises to hire someone for a job that the some other person still has..TELLS THEM THEY’LL DO THE SAME TO THEM.
And no one..EVER..gives advance warning that “Oh..in two months, I’m going to fire you..but hey, you make sure you give 100% up until then, and don’t cause any dissension, ok?”
You’re an idiot, Pete..plain and simple.
Now..go weed your garden, fool.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:36 pm
sorry, you got M …
what about El Dirty, Raider75 & Dude?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Or more trying to show that he wasn’t wrong and wouldn’t be bullied into playing Culpepper and wanted to do things “his way” even if that meant losing.
At least that’s the way it seemed to me.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Rumors fly that Cable could reunite with Kiffin
Posted by Mike Florio on January 21, 2010 3:14 PM ET
As Raiders coach Tom Cable continues to twist in the wind, we’ve caught wind of a rumor that former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is prepared to add Cable to the USC coaching staff if/when Cable is fired in Oakland.
If it happens, it will mean that both Kiffin and Cable have resolved their differences from late 2008.
Cable wasn’t happy that Kiffin was poaching members of the Raiders’ staff for Kiffin’s new gig in Knoxville. And Cable wasn’t afraid to say so.
“I’m pissed. That’s the best way to put it,” Cable said at the time. “Quite frankly, that’s the only way I can put it.”
We didn’t really understand Cable’s consternation at the time. With every Raiders assistant on a year-to-year arrangement at best, an offer to leave will be regarded by some as a chance to escape.
But we can imagine both men letting bygones be bygones once they are members of the same club.
After all, once a fired Raiders coach, always a fired Raiders coach
January 21st, 2010 at 12:37 pm
One of the mistakes the Raiders made with Russell was bringing in Daunte Culpepper to “mentor” Russell. While seemingly a good intentioned move, and being a similar sized guy with a similar game, Culpepper taught Russell the value of lying around on the couch and screwing around. Watching game film was for the backups. Not quite the message the Raiders wanted.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:37 pm
LOL, Serbia got a beating tonight =)
January 21st, 2010 at 12:38 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Maverick, what point was Kiffin trying to prove by playing McCown?
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it was a PRE-point…
Kiffin was PRE-pointing out that a QB with smashed feet, missing knee-caps, and back problems could STILL play better than Jamarcus Russell…
it’s a “PRE” thing…
kinda like this blog was a month ago…
everybody PRE-posting answers to other people’s questions…
it’s a time-space continuum thingy…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:41 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:35 pm
wack-o if anyone in here is a pinata it’s you dude. So who am I, oakglen, captain black, aig, or someone else? Or are you even more confused?
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I’m sorry..everyone missed your answer.
Question was you showed up and made it clear you’ve been posting for quite a while..taking right up with insulting those who slapped your sorryass down…
Uh…what was that other cross posting handle, again?
Oh..btw..YOU’RE A CROSS POSTER.
I could care less on detailing who your sorry inept ass is, OakGlenn…YOU’RE A CROSS POSTER..means you’re the weakest of the weak.
Means you didn’t have the balls to sign back in under your other handle.
You think it matters who nails down exactly who your beyotch slapped ass is?
YOU’RE A CROSS POSTER..means you were toast,..and will be again..where you’ll accept the fact you have to sign up..again…because you just can’t hang, lol.
You’re easy, dude..that’s all there is to it.
the board beyotch.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:42 pm
florida Pete I think you have wack-o foaming at the mouth and spouting jibberish again. Where’s Al’s drool rag?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Damned Florida Pete – that was funny!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:42 pm
anyone know where i can score some oc 80’s?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:43 pm
As Raiders coach Tom Cable continues to twist in the wind, we’ve caught wind of a rumor that former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin is prepared to add Cable to the USC coaching staff if/when Cable is fired in Oakland.
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that would be AWESOME !!!
HC of an NFL team to OL coach at USC under Kiff. LOL!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Florida Pete?
Waiting on those ads that advertise for a job where someone still occupied the job…
Any idea how long that will take ya?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Pre-trade DMAC for a QB with smashed feet, missing knee-caps, and back problems!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:43 pm
call me onycontin bob
January 21st, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Maybe Kiffin will hire Cable to be OC?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Cmon!
The best Cable could do is OL coach for USC?
I’m sure he’ll turn that down for a better offer since everyone knows he would have had an underqualified Raider team in the playoffs had it not been for a bunk QB.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:45 pm
cant post o x y c o n t i n??????????
January 21st, 2010 at 12:45 pm
hahahaha. Now that shows how delusional this fruit cake really is. Wack-o don’t you realize that everyone kicks you around all over this board? And 99% of the other posters just ignore you. I started posting a week or so ago and you were an easy target. You are the board bulls-eye. Now, where’s the drool rag to wipe up your foaming response?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:46 pm
c. oliver bush
January 21st, 2010 at 12:47 pm
lmao Bo
January 21st, 2010 at 12:48 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:42 pm
florida Pete I think you have wack-o foaming at the mouth and spouting jibberish again. Where’s Al’s drool rag?
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LOL..right on cue.
You get slapped down..and challenged..and you immediately rush to hold Pete’s hand..who got slapped down.
This is where you and Pete try and convince yourselves that IF YOU WANTED TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO SAY, you could..but..you choose NOT TO..but..you could..IF you wanted to
BTW..MORON..you might want to pick a better example next time.
See..at this moment?
Pete is embarrassed.
He just had his idiot take rammed down his throat..and he has nothing in reply.
Simple reason is there is NOTHING HE CAN SAY IN REPLY..because it was a dumb ridiculous comment.
And you jumping on it? LMFAO..you’re a cotton ball in disguise, aren’t you?
HEY..I KNOW..why don’t you help Pete, in his reply???
Come on..the two of you should be able to pool your thoughts, and come up with just ONE comment that will help Pete not look like a complete moron…right?
right???
Guess not.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:48 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Kiffin sat a big black QB (Culpepper) to start a hard-working but thoroughly undertalented QB (McCown).
……………….
What?
OK, let’s try this again.
You said Kiffin was trying to make a point by playing McCown. What point was that?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:48 pm
with the 8th pick in the 2010 draft, we have a trade. the oakland raiders trade dmac and the 8th pick for…… bo schembechler jackson
January 21st, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Taking the Lakers +3 tonight!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:50 pm
What team does Bo Schembechler Jackson play for?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:50 pm
lakers win by at least 10 2night
January 21st, 2010 at 12:50 pm
I think Carroll was hired before they fired Mora and Shanny was without question hired before Zorn was let go. Or at least talked to.
Wasn’t Buffalo also playing the Cowher Shanny game while before the season ended?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:50 pm
ufl’s las vegas locomotives
January 21st, 2010 at 12:51 pm
strap-on… (you know who you are)…
why would you advertise your confusion for all to see???
your attempt to paraphrase a sentence that everyone can see immediately above your own ramblings… and that your interpretation is completely wrong is beyond retarded…
it’s braindead…
i’m thinking you should probably take off the football helmet while you’re posting on this blog…
but… yeah… i know… the doctor said you had to wear it…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:51 pm
new englandraider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:48 pm
with the 8th pick in the 2010 draft, we have a trade. the oakland raiders trade dmac and the 8th pick for…… bo schembechler jackson
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I’m riotch biotch!!!!!!!!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:52 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:45 pm
hahahaha. Now that shows how delusional this fruit cake really is. Wack-o don’t you realize that everyone kicks you around all over this board? And 99% of the other posters just ignore you. I started posting a week or so ago and you were an easy target. You are the board bulls-eye. Now, where’s the drool rag to wipe up your foaming response?
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Wonderful, lol
I call you an easy target. I state you put a bulls eye on your head, and you reply back with same??
Good one, Gomer.
Hey, cross posting beyotches, are cross posting beyotches…
What? You don’t think it’s obvious to EVERYONE?? Why do you think others are calling you on it, OakGlenn?
Because you’re easy..slow..stupid..predictable..and yes, you saying back to me what I said to you?
Predictable as hell.
Fool…Now..get to helping Pete..he needs it.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Yup. Right on cue, the foaming at the mouth reply that says nothing.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:52 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:48 pm
OK, let’s try this again.
You said Kiffin was trying to make a point by playing McCown. What point was that?
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Yes, my point was that Kiffin was playing the person he wanted to even though he knew Al wanted him to play someone else. And he did it to the point of being destructive even when “his player” was underperforming. From the start he wanted to do things “his way” and he was being just as stubbornly adamant to prove his point as Al does.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:52 pm
not really bo.. u weren’t picked with the 8th pick, u were traded 4 it
January 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
and dmac
January 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
new englandraider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:52 pm
not really bo.. u weren’t picked with the 8th pick, u were traded 4 it
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Well at least I can fall back on my blog commenting career…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Gotta run.
Maverick, i’ll check back later to see if you ever explained just what Kiffin’s “point” was by starting McCown. Sounds interesting.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Hey, there’s a new game on the board. It’s called “Punch The Clown”. Wack-o, you’re the clown.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Thats why I stayed in college for the whole six years…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Florida Pete?
Waiting on those ads that advertise for a job where someone still occupied the job…
Any idea how long that will take ya?
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strap-on… you are the one who thinks these jobs are advertised…
you are the one who needs to name a publication…
look at your own posts above…
and please… take that stupid looking helmet off…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Ok, you explained it, never mind.
So, OK, Kiffin’s point was to play the quarterback who he thought was the best? Isn’t that what a coach is supposed to do?
Anyhow, I’ll read your answer later.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:55 pm
“he robbed a bank in his diapers and his little bare baby feet
all he said was folks my name is florida pete”
i’m florida pete, im florida pete. can u hear me? can u hear me? can u hear me?
January 21st, 2010 at 12:56 pm
im just f’in with u bo. ur the man.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:57 pm
jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Cmon!
The best Cable could do is OL coach for USC?
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since Alex Gibbs is with Pete caroll in Seattle, im sure Shanahan would love to have a guy like Cable as his O-line coach in Washington…
January 21st, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Al Davis is and will continue to ruin this franchise.
January 21st, 2010 at 12:58 pm
trade Cable to the foreskins for a 6th rounder!
January 21st, 2010 at 12:59 pm
some say pete and his pony vanished over the edge
some say they remain frozen high upon that icy ledge
January 21st, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Shanahan grabbed his old Denver coach no?
January 21st, 2010 at 1:00 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Gotta run.
Maverick, i’ll check back later to see if you ever explained just what Kiffin’s “point” was by starting McCown. Sounds interesting.
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Are you F’ing blind RMR? I explained it to you twice? Do you need a SIMPLER explanation?
Kiffin wanted to do things his way. He brought in McClown. He started McClown just to show that he could. He kept doing it even though McClown sucked.
He was as stubborn as Al is. Al now plays Jamarcus despite how he obviously sucks just to prove that he is right. Kiffin kept playing McClown just to show that he’s right.
Kiffin brought in McClown. Davis brought in Russell. Kiffin had to prove a point. Later now Davis does the exact same idiotic thing to prove his point that “Russell is good – get over it”
January 21st, 2010 at 1:00 pm
:}
January 21st, 2010 at 1:01 pm
BSJ,
The Washington Redskins have hired Kyle Shanahan as offensive coordinator, Matt LaFleur as quarterbacks coach and Jon Embree as tight ends coach.
OL Coach still open
January 21st, 2010 at 1:01 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Ok, you explained it, never mind.
So, OK, Kiffin’s point was to play the quarterback who he thought was the best? Isn’t that what a coach is supposed to do?
Anyhow, I’ll read your answer later.
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If Kiffin thought McCown was the best and you believed that then you’re as much of an idiot as he would be.
McCown S-U-C-K-E-D flat-out. Anyways, I see why everybody makes a fool out of you in the blogs now.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:02 pm
hey rockstar,
saw u were at it again with ur derrick gibson/ mike mitchell comparisons. it’s been 2 weeks, can u tell me a reception of significance other than the td vs washington that mike mitchell allowed? and the 2 week 17 against baltimore that went for like 20 combined yards dont count…. im waiting
January 21st, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Kyle Shanahan will be a HC one day (not for the Raiders)…but he has a hellovan upside.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:02 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Shanahan grabbed his old Denver coach no?
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I believe it was his RB coach he nacked..
January 21st, 2010 at 1:03 pm
I’m done with this team till next season, i’m going to try and ignore everything about them, Al Davis has ruined this franchise so much it sickens me, i’m always loyal to the raiders but i am just sick to my stomach how he keeps ruining the great raiders.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Pete Carroll is seeking a new wide receivers coach in Seattle.
will somebody please fax him the resumes for Charlie Coe, James Lofton & Sanjay Lal?
thanks!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:04 pm
video killed the raiderrockstar
January 21st, 2010 at 1:05 pm
# raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 1:01 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Ok, you explained it, never mind.
So, OK, Kiffin’s point was to play the quarterback who he thought was the best? Isn’t that what a coach is supposed to do?
Anyhow, I’ll read your answer later.
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If Kiffin thought McCown was the best and you believed that then you’re as much of an idiot as he would be.
McCown S-U-C-K-E-D flat-out. Anyways, I see why everybody makes a fool out of you in the blogs now.
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As said before, McCown sucked, but I would chose him over Jammy anyday, McCown would win 5 games and Jammy would win 2….Kiffin just knew before all of us that Jammy was a freaking retard on the field..
January 21st, 2010 at 1:05 pm
woulda been nice if ricochet blasted u. then i coulda typed richochet killed the raiderrockstar
January 21st, 2010 at 1:06 pm
new englandraider : why is it that you can remember more plays Gibson #36 failed to make, rather than how many plays he actually made?
you name 3 plays where he got tore up and never anything positive. why is that?
Please tell me why Cable is correct in comparing him to Lott/Tatum from what you’ve seen during his rookie campaign. thanks
January 21st, 2010 at 1:06 pm
rockstar????
a reception please. surely u can back up ur derrick gibson/mike mitchell comparison. can u not?
January 21st, 2010 at 1:06 pm
MR,
you surmised a while back that Harbaugh wouldn’t want to waste a year of his life coaching Oakland.
Question for you. Why would you waste years of your life posting your hatred of Al Davis on the internet?
Hatred is often the sincerest form of jealousy.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:07 pm
La Milicia…you’re missing the point. Anyways, yes Jamarcus sucks. McCown sucks. Both were played stupidly and stubbornly even though better options were available.
Culpepper and Andrew Walter looked better than McCown but Kiffin stuck with him despite his horrible play just because Al Davis wanted someone else in there.
Gradkowski and Frye looked better than Jamarcus, but Al had him kept playing just to prove he was right and could put whomever he wanted in there.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:09 pm
woulda been nice if ricochet blasted u. then i coulda typed richochet killed the raiderrockstar
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this makes no sense. It’s not my fault you can’t hang with Ricky in a debate. don’t try to drag me into it
you’re on your own!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Bruce
January 21st, 2010 at 1:09 pm
maverick…
no you miss the point, good luck finding it…
January 21st, 2010 at 1:10 pm
rock
u r the one who said mitchell was just like gibson. right? i remember gibson getting beat deep most every game he played.
as for mm34, had 2 sacks. credited as 1.5. hurried big ben at least 3x in pittsburgh game. stood brandon jacobs up twice at the goal line. and had many other qb hurries. (will admit he fanned twice against big ben).
but the comparison to gibson is just not valid bro. gibson was always late helping out. always bit on play action, and quite frankly didnt tackle well.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:12 pm
give me some plays Gibson didn’t make that Mitchell could have …
January 21st, 2010 at 1:13 pm
be specific. you have a great memory it sounds like …
January 21st, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Trade DMAC for Derrick Gibson!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Mitchell is new enough to still have potential. Gibson has potential to sell life insurance.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:13 pm
a derrick gibson/stu scweigert comparison, i keep my mouth shut. but gibson/mitchell. no.. MM showed more promise as a rookie than debbie gibson ever did? right or wrong?
January 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Dolphins hired Mike Nolan as DC & Bill Sheridan as ILB coach.
their defense just got a whole lot better!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Vegas, take the over on the Laker game.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Mitchell is in Gibson’s league in coverage, at least right now. He should get better, and the Raiders should not put him in to many situations were he is covering WR’s, or he will look like a guy trying to catch a chicken like he was against Derrick Mason the last week.
Mitchell is a downhill player, and a pretty good one. He is a solid tackler, maybe our best blitzer and was an impact guy on special teams week 1.
I like him a lot, but he can’t cover. Carnell Lake was a DB for the Steelers who had like 10 sacks one year and almost won Defensive Player of the Year, and we should use Mitchell like the Steelers used Lake. Blitzing, attacking, not backpedaling.
My two cents, back to work
January 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm
why u turning it around rockstar
U ARE THE ONE WHO STATED THAT MIKE MITCHELL WAS NO BETTER THAN DERRICK GIBSON… ELABORATE. BACK IT UP
January 21st, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Trade DMAC for Debbie Gibson!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Let Thomas Howard play SS and bulk Mitchell up as a LB…
January 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Lil’ Rico,
you do understand that your feeling the need to attempt constantly to ridicule others defines you as the epitome of insecurity.
I suppose it is better that you expose your vagaries here rather than to do harm elsewhere.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Mitchell is new enough to still have potential. Gibson has potential to sell life insurance.
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they are the same player. good enough to make 5 plays per season. Gibson had loads of “potential” ton, remember?
MM has as much potential to live up to his 2nd round billing as DHB has as much potential to live up to his 1st round billing
January 21st, 2010 at 1:18 pm
If I remember correctly,after being hit a 2nd time by MM,Jacobs didnt return and Bradshaw proceeded to run rough-shod all over us =)
January 21st, 2010 at 1:19 pm
BAN THE TROLLS!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:20 pm
we should use Mitchell like the Steelers used Lake. Blitzing, attacking, not backpedaling.
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you know this isn’t the Raiders style of defense Vegas. MM will be matched up 1-on-1 with a WR or TE every game and he’ll lose that battle 9 times out of 10
January 21st, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Let Thomas Howard play SS and bulk Mitchell up as a LB…
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Trade DMAC for a LB!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:23 pm
all in good fun rockstar
guaranteed mitchell will have a longer more productive career than gibson. maybe im giving too much credit to MM. bottom line is i watched gibson give up big play after big play week after week. one game i mentioned b4 that stands out was the gb game after favre dad passed. u have no clue how many “meltdowns” i’ve had in the past because of gibson. countless. dude was one of the worst safeties ive ever seen. but as i said, i think mm showed more as a rookie than gibson ever did. i’d be happy with the guy being strictly a blitzer and having back field responsibilities
January 21st, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Gibson #36 could play in the box too.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I never make any list
But nobody here should be suprised at the trolls within trolls. Its been going on for years.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:28 pm
many of u have said that mm struggles in coverage. we just haven’t seen enough of him in coverage. maybe by design. aside from the td vs washington, (one in which nnamdi was behind mm in endzone and took off towards middle of field) and 2 catches he allowed to backs in baltimore game, i just dont remember the guy giving up any receptions. the fact that he probably blitzed 60-70% of his snaps may help my arguement, i understand that
January 21st, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Derrick Gibson:
An All-American at his hometown Miami Killian High School, Gibson was rated the number one prospect in the state of Florida by many analysts. He was a four-year letterman at Florida State University who finished his career with 214 tackles, nine stops for losses, seven interceptions and 16 pass deflections.
1st Round draft pick. Played in the NFL 6 seasons
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MM wasn’t even invited to the combine. Ran a 4.4 forty. was going to be undrafted
Mitchell comes from a school (Ohio) thats previously highest drafted player was Gene Ruskowski – 5th round selection by the Los Angeles Rams in 1948. LOL
January 21st, 2010 at 1:33 pm
troll king (King Elexis?) offered that I wake up in wistfulness for youth. quite an alien thought that.
I died at the age of 21 in a small village in the Himalayas. The perception of age and years became a non-specific content after that.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:38 pm
RAIDERS
Harbaugh reportedly quashed overtures
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/01/21/SP2I1BL58B.DTL
January 21st, 2010 at 1:38 pm
watching Gibson #36 try to cover TE Fred Davis or 40 year old Derrick Mason was like watching Sam Williams try to cover Jason Witten on Thanksgiving!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:39 pm
let’s bring our expert senior analyst Kelly.
Kell, whats your take on Gibson #36 ? be honest
January 21st, 2010 at 1:40 pm
what is the general consensus from the alameda barbershop quartet?
January 21st, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Yep, and MM will turn out much better than Derrick Gibson.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:41 pm
rockstar
don’t care about combine or gibson’s bio. dude was a bust period. u dont think mitchell has already showed more promise than gibson?
January 21st, 2010 at 1:41 pm
KookKell….you’re a bit late on that breaking news buddy…
January 21st, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Yes, Mitchell is already playing better as a Rookie than Gibson ever did. And yes, I think he is coming along well. DHB on the other hand looks like a total bust at this point.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:42 pm
thank u maverick
January 21st, 2010 at 1:42 pm
u dont think mitchell has already showed more promise than gibson?
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No. Mitchell = Gibson
exact replica
January 21st, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Mike Mitchell’s coordinator had a clue …
DHB’s didn’t!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:44 pm
MM & DHB are equals at this point.
If MM is Lott/Tatum, DHB might as well be Rice/Brown!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Gibson and Mike Mitchell are two COMPLETELY different players too. Gibson was like a “roamer”. He wasn’t a tackling, hard-hitting, in the box type player. Gibson is more like Huff, but finally Huff is showing some potential whereas Gibson never clicked.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm
The Problem With Raider Fans:
Never Worship A Mortal God.
Raiders fans are famously attached to their team. They’re also notoriously detached from reality. After another subpar season in Oakland, the local faithful are still praying for deliverance—which would be better news if Al Davis were a deity worth appealing to.
Devotion means holding to a steady course.
Delusion, on the other hand, means clinging to a sinking ship.
I’m not suggesting that the Raiders won’t ever turn it around. What goes down must come up, and sooner or later the club is bound to experience a renaissance. But a body can’t be reborn when its head refuses to die. In a league where ownership rights extend to the grave, only the most starry-eyed fan would bet on recovery before Al finally runs himself into the ground.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/330081-al-davis-the-real-problem-with-oakland-raiders-fans
January 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm
RaiderRockstar….were you watching the same games I was? I didn’t see DHB show any upside or potential! Did you? Name one instance where you saw something that looked like he will turn into Rice/Brown?
I saw MM show some potential. I saw him take good angles and make some damned hard tackles. I saw him on special teams putting the smackdown on some guys. He’s not Lott/Tatum, but at least he looks like he can go in that direction. Where did you see this in DHB?
January 21st, 2010 at 1:46 pm
1 year ago Huff was a bust & Branch was a 4th round ST gunner coming off IR.
MM was drafted and sits on the bench for 16 games
January 21st, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Thanks KoolKell….I was actually thinking we’d be in the Superbowl next year if I kept on worshipping Al.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:48 pm
For the exception of DHB, we did good in last years draft!! Myers, Mitchell, and Murphy!!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm
rockstar
you’re wrong. no offense bro. but you’re are just not correct. of all the worries we have with this team, S is no longer one. either u bought a gibson jersey ( i bought a russell) or u were bangin his sista, or something. ur memory might not be good. gibson was the worst S ever. and we’ve had some doosies. schweigert, dorsett, pope. we’ve had some bad ones lately. mike mitchell isn’t one of em
January 21st, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Quote of the Day!!!
“Thanks KoolKell….I was actually thinking we’d be in the Superbowl next year if I kept on worshipping Al.”
January 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Gibson is more like Huff
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LOL! Huff is a FS/centerfield type. Gibson was a SS/in the box type. not a roamer!
sure they trying to play Huff out of position for a few years, but once they left him at FS (like i’d been saying since we drafted him. who woulda thunk it?) he started making plays. Gibson was never a FS
Al probably thought Gibson was Lott/Tatum too when he was drafted … hahaha
January 21st, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Don’t forgot Shaughnessy!! The guy had the second most tackles and sacks of any defensive line rookie. He may have been our best rookie.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Right!! Almost forgot!!
M&M&M….Oh and Shaughnessy!!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Those who can’t remember old defeats are doomed to repeat them.
Those who can’t forget old victories are doomed to romanticize them.
If there’s a lesson in the Raiders’ recent struggles, it’s simply that sentimentality is an inevitable impediment to success.
Nostalgia is the mother of fanaticism. In adulthood as in youth, in lean years as in fat—we root for the home team because rooting for the home team is what we’ve always done, and because what we’ve always done is the essence of who we’ve always been. The catch, alas, is that heroes in the rearview mirror are rarely as mighty as they appear. Lifelong Raider lovers will argue that Davis is responsible for the organization’s historical grandeur. I’d counter that he’s no less culpable for its contemporary gloom.
Decline is bad.
Stagnation is worse.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:52 pm
I’m not a fan of Gibson or Mitchell. just saying they are exactly alike. thats all
at least Gibson #36 was a player in college
what is MM gonna hang his hat on?
“I sacked Big Ben once behind their awful o-line!” hahaha
January 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Neil b
dammit, we just sold a striker to celtic : (
January 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Matt Shaughnessy was our best draft pick last year. Brandon Myers was solid. Louis Murphy has potential. I think he’ll get better & better. Hard to know with WR’s when you got JaWalrus at QB
January 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm
The Raiders face a long road back to respectability, but they’re doomed to keep driving in circles until someone pries the keys from Al’s disreputable grip.
Reverence ought always to come with an expiration date. Altars are built but to crumble; idols are raised but to fall. The real problem with Oakland Raiders fans is that they’re living in the past, where memories are golden and greatness is Silver and Black. Every true believer initially commits himself to heavenly excellence. The one who swears by a perishable savior ultimately condemns himself to earthly decay.
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Horace didn’t survive long enough to see the Tom Cable Era, but he certainly knew a thing or two about terminal degeneration:
What does ravaging time not ruin?
The age of our fathers, worse than the one before,
brought forth ourselves, worse men than our fathers,
who will beget offspring more vicious still.
Which is a fitting ode to a forlorn franchise.
Because one century’s swaggering conqueror is the next century’s still-breathing corpse, and anyone who foretells future glory for Raider Nation is either giving Al’s eulogy or only just saying, is all…
January 21st, 2010 at 1:55 pm
MM has about as much value as the 2nd rounder we gave up for MeAngelo Hall….
NONE
January 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
If the Raiders use him right, Mitchell should get 4 or 5 sacks next year, most on 3rd downs when he is on the field most.
The Mitchell pick could have been worse, when you look at the disaster of DHB. He can play a little, he kind of jumps off the screen at times, and you notice when he is on the field because he is around the ball.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Rumors.
Ten days ago in the 9 a.m. timeframe prior to the weekly Tuesday chat I was tired of reading about Gilbride and Trestman et al. so I decided to throw a hat in the ring who had been mentioned last year but never this time around. Wanted to see what would happen.
I wrote : I have it on good authority that Steve Mariucci will named head coach of the Oakland Raiders.
That began a discussion of Mooch in here
Three hours later Jerry Mc wrote that Mariucci was a darkhorse candidate.
Some hours later I watched as John Clayton on BSPN reported that the Raiders were now considering Steve Mariucci.
The next morning Tim Kawakami had a whole column dedicated to the hiring of Mariucci.
The next day some correspondent named Rosenthal had picked it up and spread it a bit further.
As it was absolutely baseless it died within two days.
As the Raider Org. never divulges anything, people do look here for ideas about the team.
I wanted to see how true that was. It made me laugh.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Hmmm. KoolKell shows up right after MR leaves. Hmmmm.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:58 pm
# r8eray Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 1:48 pm
For the exception of DHB, we did good in last years draft!! Myers, Mitchell, and Murphy!!
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Exactly. As I said before, Al needs to stay out of the first round. Easier said than done but our 1st rounder needs to be traded for late round picks or proven veteran talent.
January 21st, 2010 at 1:58 pm
666
January 21st, 2010 at 1:59 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Matt Shaughnessy was our best draft pick last year. Brandon Myers was solid. Louis Murphy has potential. I think he’ll get better & better. Hard to know with WR’s when you got JaWalrus at QB
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how can you say that, Murphy is hands down our best pick and best receiver drafted for a dacade…
Myers is good to, Shaughnessy has been just as good as Jay Richards which is just above avarage..
January 21st, 2010 at 2:00 pm
I heard a runor that Al is considering trading DMAC for Steve Mariucci…
January 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm
If the Raiders use him right, Mitchell should get 4 or 5 sacks next year
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Vegas: give me 5 players Tom Cable and Ryan/Marshall have used right on defense …
January 21st, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Wonderful, Krappy finally makes his afternoon appearance, still groggy from his mid day nap, and starts immediately cut and pasting old article.
Krappy, I know your head has spent more time in the microwave than a Lean Cuisine at a test kitchen, but is it at all possible for you to formulate thoughts on your own?
I know the constant interruption of pant crapping has to put a damper on your thought process, but just give it a shot, you greasy old goose.
Maybe you’ll surprise yourself and actually come up with a rational thought that doesn’t bleed racism and senility.
Or not.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Al’s problem, well one of many, with his 1st round picks is that he picks the positions of such boom or bust. QB’s, WR’s, S. Too risky.
He should be taking LB, DT, or trading down for G/C
LT is a high boom or bust position as well. If their is a bust among these guys this year, and their probably is, Al will find him.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:03 pm
I meant later round picks (late 1st, 2nd, 3rd) not late round.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Vegas: give me 5 players Tom Cable and Ryan/Marshall have used right on defense …
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Michael Huff
Tyvon Branch
Richard Seymour
Trevor Scott
Matt Shaughnessy
January 21st, 2010 at 2:06 pm
I could also add Ellis and Tommy Kelly if you want.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:07 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Rumors.
Ten days ago in the 9 a.m. timeframe prior to the weekly Tuesday chat I was tired of reading about Gilbride and Trestman et al. so I decided to throw a hat in the ring who had been mentioned last year but never this time around. Wanted to see what would happen.
I wrote : I have it on good authority that Steve Mariucci will named head coach of the Oakland Raiders.
That began a discussion of Mooch in here
Three hours later Jerry Mc wrote that Mariucci was a darkhorse candidate.
Some hours later I watched as John Clayton on BSPN reported that the Raiders were now considering Steve Mariucci.
The next morning Tim Kawakami had a whole column dedicated to the hiring of Mariucci.
The next day some correspondent named Rosenthal had picked it up and spread it a bit further.
As it was absolutely baseless it died within two days.
As the Raider Org. never divulges anything, people do look here for ideas about the team.
I wanted to see how true that was. It made me laugh.
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Must have been a slow news day!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Players they’ve used wrongly:
Nnamdi (should give him more freedom to cover best opponent)
Gerrard Warren (not misuse, but wrong person in there. Should be a BIG Run-stuffing DT on that other spot)
Kirk Morrison (again, probably better suited for something else but just don’t have someone better for MLB).
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
maverick: then how come our defense is so terrible?
teams can run or pass AT WILL against us. you guys know that
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Now you’re running the “I’m all confused” bit, Petey?
Hell, lol…let me repost it for you, so you can try and wipe that dumbass off your face.
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# Florida Pete Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:31 am
all this goofy crap about firing a Head Coach before looking for a new one is just plain stupid…
in every other business… you have a replacement ready BEFORE you pull the trigger on firing a key manager…
not after…
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Thanks for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you not only know squat, but that you’re a freaking idiot…
WRONG, DUMBASS..that is NOT how it’s done.
I can name you HUNDREDS OF INSTANCES WHERE SOMEONE GOT FIRED/CANNED/RELEASED..where the interviewing process THEN STARTED.
Who in the hell goes out and publicly INTERVIEWS..solicits applications…WHEN THE PERSON THEY’RE GOING TO REPLACE IS STILL ON THE JOB???
Boss: “Hi..oh..psst?? I’m going to fire Joebob over there…so I’m interviewing everyone before I can him…try to avoid eye contact with the other employees..don’t want them getting wind of it”
OR “Let’s keep this hush hush..don’t want it out..because, after all, interviewing while the guy is still on the job is about as sorryass tacky as you can get”????
YOU’RE A FREAKING IDIOT, LONEMORON.
NO ONE does it the way you said..just shows how little you know about business
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Shanahan hired Chris Foerster as OL coach…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/21/niners-hire-new-offensive-line-coach/
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
We’ve drafted DT VERY well in the earlier parts of the draft. But we’ve only done it 3 times in the past 20 years. We should go with a DT for sure.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
# Lucifer-666 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 1:58 pm
666
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… and he’s “bringing it” with numbers!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
NOW HERE’S THE FOLLOWUP, PETEY
# Florida Pete Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 11:46 am
Florida Pete? LMFAO..even better.
My bad LoneMoron..that astute, head up ass take was from Florida “dumber than Cotton” Petey..
I should have known
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hey… strap-on !!! so how is my little, obsessive-compulsive, manic, little buddy !!!
ya got yer little football helmet on ??? good…
looks like you had a little epiphany here… didn’t know who you were writing about, huh ??? oh well… not the first time… i’m sure it won’t be the last…
but you just keeping hacking… i’m sure you’ll get something right soon…
oh… the thing about hiring and firing…
smart businessmen know who they are going to hire before they fire… certainly who is interested…
now i’m sure you’ve seen lots of advertisements in the newspapers for professional coaches at all levels, in all sports…
and if you would just share the name of that publication with us…
why… we could all apply to be the next head coach or manager of a lot of teams…
equal opportunity you know???
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That’s your weak ass answer?
Now you really appear ignorant.
WRONG AGAIN, FOOL.
“smart managers know who’s interested”?? LMFAO..YOU DUMBASS. The guy STILL HAS A JOB..HOW IN THE HELL CAN HE POSSIBLY KNOW WHO’S INTERESTED IN THAT POSITION?
And yeah, little man, I’ve seen LOTS of advertisements for jobs..NOT A SINGLE ONE WAS FOR ONE THAT SOMEONE WAS STILL OCCUPYING, you dumbass.
Like I said, stick to what you know..gardening. Leave the business talk to those that have a clue.
See, dumbass, no quality person wants to work for someone who goes out and advertises to hire someone for a job that the some other person still has..TELLS THEM THEY’LL DO THE SAME TO THEM.
And no one..EVER..gives advance warning that “Oh..in two months, I’m going to fire you..but hey, you make sure you give 100% up until then, and don’t cause any dissension, ok?”
You’re an idiot, Pete..plain and simple.
Now..go weed your garden, fool.
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Now..take your head out of your ass and try again, foolish gardener.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:09 pm
3 out of our last 4 first round OTs sucked at Tackle and went into guard, and the 4th is Henderson….looking so/so at this point.
This is for the past 10 year history.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Tommy Kelly is the biggest overpaid waste of space on the D-Line i’ve seen in quite some time. one could argue that even Warren is better at stopping the run and getting penetration
January 21st, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Scott, Seymour, Huff, Branch definately. I think they are getting about the most from them, all things considered.
Kelly, Shannessey and Nmamdi are being used OK. We saw Nmamdi on a few blitzes and moving around a little, but he is one of the best at his positions so you would like to see them max it out a little more. But he is one of the best at his position, so hard to say they aren’t doing a good job with him.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Vegas,
prior to Russell, Al’s last QB in the first was when they were in L.A. and prior to DHB the last WR in the first woulda been Timmy.
He does not have an extensive track record of choosing either one of those positions in the first round.
DBs, you betchera$$.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
maverick: then how come our defense is so terrible?
teams can run or pass AT WILL against us. you guys know that
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Because we’re missing 2 key parts to our defense:
a. A BIG run-stuffing tackle to play next to Tommy Kelly.
b. A MLB who holds his ground.
It’s not mis-use of the personnel we have on Defense. It’s lacking pieces to it I think.
Maybe we can throw in some other twists and make it a bit more imaginative, but I can’t say we misused the above people I mentioned.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Hey, don’t get me wrong..nothing against gardeners, Petey.
My gardener is a sharp as a tack.
Knows just what fertilizer to use to get maximum results.
Just amazing.
Almost could say in this regard, and only this regard, he knows his “schitt”
Just like I’m sure you have just as much experience shoveling same…so..again..not knocking that which you excel, Petey.
Someone has to do it..might as well be you, right?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Vegas: then how come our defense is so terrible?
teams can run or pass AT WILL against us. you guys know that
January 21st, 2010 at 2:12 pm
# M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Vegas,
prior to Russell, Al’s last QB in the first was when they were in L.A. and prior to DHB the last WR in the first woulda been Timmy.
He does not have an extensive track record of choosing either one of those positions in the first round.
DBs, you betchera$$.
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CBs he doens’t have a huge track record. Did pretty good actually.
Woodson
Asamuagh
Routt (well this one is the exception).
It’s Safeties where he really sucks in the 1st round….and OTs….and QB…..and…..
January 21st, 2010 at 2:13 pm
FIRE HIM ALREADY!!!!!
FOOOOOOOOOOOK!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Beech
Where exactly in Baja are you rolling the caravan of smoke blowers, pantcrappers, trolls, misfits, and loners that have never been 100 miles from the place their moms settled.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Seymour was invisable in half the games. Scott was a liability vs the run in half the games. Kelly is trash more often than not. Shaughnessy didn’t get enough playing time. Richardson or Scott at DE on occasion over him is ridiculous …
January 21st, 2010 at 2:15 pm
# Plunketthead Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Beech
Where exactly in Baja are you rolling the caravan of smoke blowers, pantcrappers, trolls, misfits, and loners that have never been 100 miles from the place their moms settled.
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Who says their moms actually settled?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:15 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Vegas: then how come our defense is so terrible?
teams can run or pass AT WILL against us. you guys know that
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Our LB’s suck and the whole D’s leadership is from guys who have been their for a year (Ellis, Seymour), and it is saddled with the worst offense in the NFL.
They aren’t that far away from being a decent D, IMO.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:17 pm
M,
Good point on the QB/WR’s.
Wilson, Marinovich, and Russell. I don’t care if it is over a 25 year span, they should never do it again.
Throw in 2nd rounders Tui, Walter and Billy Joe Hobert, and the whole idea of drafting another QB is lunacy.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:18 pm
It looks like Rolando McClain may be the best defender available when it comes our turn at the podium on draft day. Several key pieces turned the Dolphins from crap to cash in just one year. Pick up a good O-lineman in the second round, pick up an experienced wideout, shift a few pieces around and — maybe not so bad.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Even with Marshall & Seymour replacing Ryan & Burgess the defense didn’t improve as much as I had hoped …
January 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Hmmm. KoolKell shows up right after MR leaves. Hmmmm.
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You’re a stupid mfkr, you know that?
What are you dummies so worried about me for?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Also, just to consider — perhaps either Tony Pike or Dan LeFevour might be available in the third round. That would certainly be worth a gamble at that spot, in my opinion.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
You said it best Vegas!
OUR LB’S SUCK!!!!!!
I don’t care if their (LB) fathers father is a Raider fan!! Who f’n cares!! Draft a LB in the 1st round!!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Who in the hell goes out and publicly INTERVIEWS..solicits applications…WHEN THE PERSON THEY’RE GOING TO REPLACE IS STILL ON THE JOB???
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It’s done a ton. It’s called backstabbing and it is a staple of the corporate world. But, then you are safe under your little slimy rock away from the vagaries of the real world.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Cable is staying.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/20/raiders-have-interviewed-no-head-coaching-candidates/
January 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Dakota Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:13 pm
FIRE HIM ALREADY!!!!!
FOOOOOOOOOOOK!
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Look, you can saw what you will, I know how close this team is, I can see it. We are just trying to get over the mountain and it is so close. With the play of guys like Satele, Justin Fargas, Cornell, you can see how close we are to overcoming this. We just have to get back to work, roll up our sleeves, and beat the guy in front of us.
(That was my Cable impersonation)
January 21st, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Thats what the 100 miles is for.
Od hos are like wolf packs.
They have their area marked.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:23 pm
That is an excellent question, plunky.
While the destination must remain top secret in regards to intimate contact we’ll be having with the Mexican drug cartels, I CAN tell you we’ll be very close to a ton of hot tanned chica locas, frost cold cervesas and 15 ft. breaks.
Just wait until you see Dakota try to maneuver his boogie board!
Its going to be a great experience for these dorky bloggers, and yes, I am packing an extra bag of onions just in case.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Of course Cable is staying. Al Davis felt Cable was in a bit over his head, and Cable admitted as much. So, Al went out and interviewed someone who could relieve some of the QB coach and possibly OC duties. Apparently, as good as Paul Hackett is at teaching Q’s, he was not that good at teaching Jamarcus. Maybe Hue can relate to him better. As for all of you that hate Jamarcus and hate Cable, the Whiners look like they are headed in the right direction. You might want to check them out.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:24 pm
# r8eray Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:20 pm
You said it best Vegas!
OUR LB’S SUCK!!!!!!
I don’t care if their (LB) fathers father is a Raider fan!! Who f’n cares!! Draft a LB in the 1st round!!
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Comparatively speaking, our linebackers didn’t suck nearly as bad as the highest paid (and lowest producing) rookie first-round wideout. I’m sorry, but that pick was an f-ing joke!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:25 pm
M. Lonetree,
If your hypothesis is right, and this blog is must reading for insights into the Raider Organization.
Then, is that the reason why so many trolls try to shut me up?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Look, you can saw what you will, I know how close this team is, I can see it. We are just trying to get over the mountain and it is so close. With the play of guys like Satele, Justin Fargas, Cornell, you can see how close we are to overcoming this. We just have to get back to work, roll up our sleeves, and beat the guy in front of us.
(That was my Cable impersonation)
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LOL! Very Nice
January 21st, 2010 at 2:26 pm
So, when’s the announcement that we have a new Offensive Coordinator then?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm
hahahha, do u like us .. check yes or no
January 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Dakota,
I thought FOOOOOK! was a NoDakism. Thought y’all had better pronunciation in the South.
Vegas,
you are correct sir. the QB lunacy must end. Tyvon Branch said he’d play anywhere, give him a shot.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:27 pm
I think our current coordinator is offensive enough!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Who in the hell goes out and publicly INTERVIEWS..solicits applications…WHEN THE PERSON THEY’RE GOING TO REPLACE IS STILL ON THE JOB???
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It’s done a ton. It’s called backstabbing and it is a staple of the corporate world. But, then you are safe under your little slimy rock away from the vagaries of the real world.
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OakDork? I told you to try and help, dumbass.
that’s not helping.
Now their are two that are playing the fool.
Now..pay attention, mental midget.
Fl Pete stated: ” you have a replacement ready BEFORE you pull the trigger on firing a key manager…
not after…”
Now..try and think..disregard any smoke..then go offer advice to Petey that’s going to help him remove his head from his ass for that moronic take.
Of course, looks like you’re on your own, OakDork.
As soon as Petey gets smacked on, he disappears.
In your case, you just sign off, and sign in under another name.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Ronald Curry can play QB, right?
haha. you guys remember those days a few years back?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm
one thing we can all agree on . al davis is one unusual dude. just weird man. does nothing like the rest of the world. i love it !
we are raiders so we cant conform to other teams ways. eveen if it means losing 20 years in a row….
January 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm
KoolKell,
you don’t offer inside info, you offer up a failed crop of seasons.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:30 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:28 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:08 pm
Who in the hell goes out and publicly INTERVIEWS..solicits applications…WHEN THE PERSON THEY’RE GOING TO REPLACE IS STILL ON THE JOB???
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It’s done a ton. It’s called backstabbing and it is a staple of the corporate world. But, then you are safe under your little slimy rock away from the vagaries of the real world.
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OakDork? I told you to try and help, dumbass.
that’s not helping.
Now their are two that are playing the fool.
Now..pay attention, mental midget.
Fl Pete stated: ” you have a replacement ready BEFORE you pull the trigger on firing a key manager…
not after…”
Now..try and think..disregard any smoke..then go offer advice to Petey that’s going to help him remove his head from his ass for that moronic take.
Of course, looks like you’re on your own, OakDork.
As soon as Petey gets smacked on, he disappears.
In your case, you just sign off, and sign in under another name.
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He just laid the OakDork AND the “mental midget” whammy on you; you got double-ganged!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:30 pm
draft a qb .! lets do it! u gotta have a decent qb to be succesful .
January 21st, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Good post….
Gonna take a stab at figuring out this puzzle… please read on it makes very good sense. I see this situation in two ways, and Cable’s situation depends on everyone else (why he hasn’t been fired yet).
1. I think the only guy Davis would take as HEAD COACH is Jim Harbaugh. Reports have surfaced that Harbaugh has been interviewed, but is not interested. But I think he is (with conditions). What college coach would say they are interviewing for another position in the middle of college recruiting? Only an idiot — Harbaugh will never say he has interviewed or is interested somewhere else, that would be dumb (assuming he stays at Stanford). You always deny interest or a possibility of another position until you accept it (see Lane Kiffin, Pete Carrol, etc).
Second, everyone keeps saying, why would Harbaugh come here if he already turned down Buffalo? Hmm…. well lets see… maybe because Buffalo is 3/4 of the way across the country and is dam cold, and doesn’t have a very good football team. Where is Oakland from Standford? Across the damn bay. People forget that coaches have families and Oakland would appeal to Harbaugh because he wouldn’t have to move his family. Second, Harbaugh has past experience with Davis, he is more comfortable with the relationship than an outside guy. And Oakland has talent, a lot more than Buffalo.
Third, everyone is connecting the dots from Hue Jackson to Cable. WHY? They were small coaches on a Cal team like 15 years ago. Where is the bigger connection? Hue Jackson to Jim Harbaugh. What if Jim called and asked his brother — if you had to hire a new offensive coordinator, who would it be? My guess is answer — Hue Jackson. Also what does Al want fixed? JRUSS — who specializes in QB? Well ****, Harbaugh was one, and Jackson coaches them.
Summary, I think if Harbaugh can get Jackson and maybe a few other considerations (money), he will come to Oakland. That is why we interviewed Harbaugh, and that is why we are now interviewing Jackson.
2. The second situation is simple — if Harbaugh doesn’t come, Al’s gonna keep Cable because there is no other choices. All of the other “possible candidates” you hear rumors about being interviewed are for OCoordinator under cable. None have ties to Cable, but just to Al Davis. He wants to keep Cable and plug in an OC — hoping for a better outcome.
THAT is why Cable has not been fired yet. Because if Harbaugh/Jackson doesn’t work out, he’s gonna keep Cable.
My opinion — get Harbaugh in here. Best option since Jon Gruden and something I would be happy with. AND remember this people — Al Davis is OLD. He’s not gonna be around much longer (as much as we worry he is…). Harbaugh I’m sure recognizes that. If he can get in now, there could be bright things in the future.
I think the puzzle fits together pretty good.
Thoughts?? Be easy on me.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I think you are making a big mistake taking that hapless crew anywhere near surf.
I would settle for the tranquil bays on the east coast with the white sand and women who are into the spiritual ways.
A rouge wave took out my cousin in Cabo.
I almost died scuba diving at La Bufarodora?
I prefer the tranquil, calm waters and excellant snorkeling on the sea of Cortez
January 21st, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Trade DMAC for a mental midget!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm
SFearsAL,
I think Bradford will be a solid QB in the NFL as long as his shoulder heals properly. The kid’s throws look polished, he isn’t an ego-maniac and he will work on his game. Whoever drafts him should be doing fine.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Actually makes sense (the above). He didn’t fire Cable because he has this one idea in mind. Would make sense Harbaugh asked for simliar terms like Gruden did – good money and control over his 53 man roster. Probably Davis is taking a long time to think this over. But, what the hell. Why wouldn’t Harbaugh come in here if the terms of the contract were right?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Trade DMAC for a mental midget!
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Russell? no can do brother …
January 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm
BoSJack,
you have a gift.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:38 pm
I got to run up and down Baja before the bandidos and pancho villa wannabees took over.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:39 pm
trade Cable for Verne Troyer!
Troyer for HC
January 21st, 2010 at 2:43 pm
But…then again….
“I asked if he(Cable) had time to talk and he said he was late for a staff meeting. I then asked if he had met with Hue Jackson on Wednesday (Jackson was confirmed to be at team headquarters) and Cable responded, “Who?” When I clarified I was referring to Ravens QB coach Hue Jackson, Cable said, “No.”
I asked if he had met with Al Davis during the last 24 hours and Cable said, “No.”
January 21st, 2010 at 2:44 pm
sam bradford is so light in the ass though. can he put on like 50 ponuds >?? he needs to hang with jruss. or hell stay hurt .
January 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I still don’t understand how Verne Troyer was able to land Genevieve Gallen.
thats like Gabrielle Union falling for Kell!
January 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm
earlier this afternoon MR made perhaps the most ludicrous statement of all time. he wrote -
Harbaugh wouldn’t come here for 2 billion dollars let alone 2 million dollars.
$2,000,000,000?!?!? 2 billion dollars? And he wouldn’t sign for that?
Harbaugh’s wife and children and parents and siblings and in-laws and unborn relatives would offer up a Promethean fate to the man if he didn’t sidle up and sign on that dotted line.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Once again, you are richo-shietting all over the place. hahahahaha. You don’t say anything because you know the second you say anything it gets ripped to shreds. What a loser.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm
All this talk of “who’s going to be HC”
“Cable is staying” “Cable is going”
AND..there is the talk of “Al’s interviewing so and so for OC, or oline, etc”
SHOULDN’T THE HEAD COACH BE THE ONE DOING THE INTERVIEWING FOR HIS STAFF??
Now, of course, it’s all speculation. Maybe interviews going on, maybe not, not sure who’s in room, etc….BUT..it was bad enough Al hired all of Cable’s staff BEFORE he hired Cable..but if in fact Al is still hiring his staff, after he’s the HC??
What quality HC will EVER COME TO THE RAIDERS, KNOWING THAT?
None..zero..zilch.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm
time to wrap things up here. have a great evening fellas
January 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm
KoolKell,
you don’t offer inside info, you offer up a failed crop of seasons.
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Oh, just wondering why so many stalkers try to shut me up.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm
ahhh . who needs a quality head coach anyways ? we can win with superior athletes and great coordinators.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Seymour=OakDork? You’re right on schedule..I just crapped down your neck on #716, and you reply with the above stupid take?
You actually think getting slapped down is ok, as long as you just post a little giggle reply?
Oh..wait…that’s EXACTLY what you did..following me around, like a little puppy, post after post after post..with the silly little comments.
So, tell me, cross posting beyotch..did changing your name make you feel less of a loser?
January 21st, 2010 at 2:52 pm
# SATANFEARS ALDAVIS Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:50 pm
ahhh . who needs a quality head coach anyways ? we can win with superior athletes and great coordinators.
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Aaahhh…..who needs a quality head coach anyways? We can win with faster players and mediocre coordinators…actually with only 1 coordinator as we’re missing the other one….
January 21st, 2010 at 2:53 pm
I slapped down richy so hard he pinballed around the room soiling himself, before he got up dazed and confused and soiled himself again.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Richochet #735. You’re right. Never heard of the Head Coach not interviewing his prospective assistance before. Just another part of the contract any coach will demand while coming in here…..
Control over my 53 man roster
Being able to play who I want
Guaranteed money
Can choose my own coaches
January 21st, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Cable is still under contract. Other than Jerry Jones giving Wade’s acknowlegement of his returning next year who else has? The media started all this because of the 5-11 season not the Raiders. Al is just letting them make fools of themselves. They’re already starting to backtrack. Eveyone is trying to predict what a delusional 80yr old is going to do. Can’t be done even he does’nt know.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/cbb/115794/Mini-Me-Verne-Troyer-is-a-sex-addict-reveals-his-ex-wiife-Playboy-model-Genevieve-Gallen-Celebrity-Big-Brother.html
January 21st, 2010 at 2:57 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:48 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:29 pm
KoolKell,
you don’t offer inside info, you offer up a failed crop of seasons.
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Oh, just wondering why so many stalkers try to shut me up.
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You’re confusing laughter for trying to shut you up? lol…talk about delusional?
dude..they’re laughing at you..you and your silly re-pastes, your even sillier “well, have you been here?”
Honestly, are you slow? You think posting the same stupid comment to Jerry about talking to Al, dozens and dozens of times, doesn’t make you come across as ’slow’ and “easily entertained”?
then you do it again with the record, lol..which, oddly, does, in fact, entertain you. How can it not?
Now, that’s common with teens, mostly pre-teens..you know, the “doubleditch” mentality..but you’re not a teen, but..for some odd reason, you still act like one.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm
When the Raiders are about to make a coaching change it is pretty obvious they are going to do so. This one is not quite so obvious and it is very hard for a front line or even possible coaching prospect to get thru the phalanx of press in Alameda. What does that all mean? Cable is staying. Let’s see what a tiny bit of stability does for the offense here.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Look at what HazeDaze was saying same time last year.
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• HayesDaze#37 Says:
January 14th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
KK — Tell us how you know Cable’s dangling? Any chance he and AL made arrangements to take this time for the team to make the right decision?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm
reality bites the brain that fails to grasp it.
there is football nor futbol head coach that is worth five million dollars per annum.
there is no quarterback nor cornerback nor striker nor goaltender that is worth fifteen million dollars per annum.
there is no banker worth a twenty million dollar bonus.
there is no politico worthy of any tally lessen it be the flat rock the cow be pi$$in’ on.
such is this world. yay.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:00 pm
# SATANFEARS ALDAVIS Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:56 pm
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/showbiz/cbb/115794/Mini-Me-Verne-Troyer-is-a-sex-addict-reveals-his-ex-wiife-Playboy-model-Genevieve-Gallen-Celebrity-Big-Brother.html
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Why do I get the feeling that the peanut sized guy in the photo is richochet?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm
# raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Richochet #735. You’re right. Never heard of the Head Coach not interviewing his prospective assistance before. Just another part of the contract any coach will demand while coming in here…..
Control over my 53 man roster
Being able to play who I want
Guaranteed money
Can choose my own coaches
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I think the above, along with some other control issues, is what made so many, including Peyton, Whiz, Marz, Sark decide to pass…
More importantly, the players know.
they know it’s not the HC they need to please.
They know when they screw up, on almost ANY TEAM you leave the field, and go directly towards the HC to get reamed, get advice, or to state my bad..but not in Oakland. They don’t even offer a glance towards Cable.
Players also know Al calls the starters, and if Al signs you, you’re in..you’re going to play..and the HC has little to do with it.
And the assts? Geez..that alone would make many if not most coaching candidates pass. Inheriting a team of assts is one thing..but once you’re there?
That’s one of the controls Gruden wanted, that Al reneged on.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm
When the Raiders are about to make a coaching change it is pretty obvious they are going to do so. This one is not quite so obvious and it is very hard for a front line or even possible coaching prospect to get thru the phalanx of press in Alameda. What does that all mean? Cable is staying. Let’s see what a tiny bit of stability does for the offense here.
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OMG..you’re so freaking ignorant.
“very hard for a coaching prospect to get through the press in Alameda”???
You didn’t just say something that bone head ignorant, did you?
WTF?
How is it you get through your day without hurting yourself?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Once again, you are richo-shietting all over the place. hahahahaha. You don’t say anything because you know the second you say anything it gets ripped to shreds. What a loser.
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Oh geez…you mean because I didn’t post for a bit?
You actually sat here, refreshing your page, LOOKING FOR MY POSTS? lmfao…wow.
Sorry ass puppy dog following wow.
Yeah..I run a business..and..most times business calls.
But how sweet are you to just sit here and wait for me?
You get a lollipop, young lady.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:10 pm
“They call him….mini me!”
January 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
And so Lil’ Rico, since you promise to know more than anyone on this here planet about all things under the sun, what are the solutions? The solutions for both the Raiders franchise and for everything else.
hint: you’ll have to make this up yourself without relying upon attempts to belittle others plus there is no one to blame but yourself for your own thoughts.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
whats funny is ricochet and seymour bush are freinds. fellow raider fans that like each other. i wonder how they would treat charger fans ?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm
“I slapped down richy so hard he pinballed around the room soiling himself, before he got up dazed and confused and soiled himself again.”
Nice work Seymour!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:13 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:06 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:58 pm
When the Raiders are about to make a coaching change it is pretty obvious they are going to do so. This one is not quite so obvious and it is very hard for a front line or even possible coaching prospect to get thru the phalanx of press in Alameda. What does that all mean? Cable is staying. Let’s see what a tiny bit of stability does for the offense here.
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OMG..you’re so freaking ignorant.
“very hard for a coaching prospect to get through the press in Alameda”???
You didn’t just say something that bone head ignorant, did you?
WTF?
How is it you get through your day without hurting yourself?
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Once again, you are richo-shietting all over the place. hahahahaha. You don’t say anything because you know the second you say anything it gets ripped to shreds. What a loser.
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Oh geez…you mean because I didn’t post for a bit?
You actually sat here, refreshing your page, LOOKING FOR MY POSTS? lmfao…wow.
Sorry ass puppy dog following wow.
Yeah..I run a business..and..most times business calls.
But how sweet are you to just sit here and wait for me?
You get a lollipop, young lady.
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Hahahahaha. You never say anything. All you do is gloss yourself over and over. That’s all you do. Sucks to be you pal. hahahaha.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:14 pm
you guys know if u all met ricochet youd all sit around and drink beers , play scrabble, watch old raider games and discuss the importance of sex in the city on the effects of female self esteem in todays society . BE HONEST NOW.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:15 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:03 pm
# raiderzmaverick Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:54 pm
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I think the above, along with some other control issues, is what made so many, including Peyton, Whiz, Marz, Sark decide to pass…
More importantly, the players know.
they know it’s not the HC they need to please.
They know when they screw up, on almost ANY TEAM you leave the field, and go directly towards the HC to get reamed, get advice, or to state my bad..but not in Oakland. They don’t even offer a glance towards Cable.
Players also know Al calls the starters, and if Al signs you, you’re in..you’re going to play..and the HC has little to do with it.
And the assts? Geez..that alone would make many if not most coaching candidates pass. Inheriting a team of assts is one thing..but once you’re there?
That’s one of the controls Gruden wanted, that Al reneged on.
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Wow. You have such a firm and complete grasp of the obvious. No wonder you spend most of the day glossing yourself. hahaha
January 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Little Ricky says he owns a business:
Selling bracelets you made a retard camp on the corner is not considered a business but hey its better than most disabled people are doing so I give him props!
I will take a black one little Ricky!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:19 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Rumors.
Ten days ago in the 9 a.m. timeframe prior to the weekly Tuesday chat I was tired of reading about Gilbride and Trestman et al. so I decided to throw a hat in the ring who had been mentioned last year but never this time around. Wanted to see what would happen.
I wrote : I have it on good authority that Steve Mariucci will named head coach of the Oakland Raiders.
That began a discussion of Mooch in here
Three hours later Jerry Mc wrote that Mariucci was a darkhorse candidate.
Some hours later I watched as John Clayton on BSPN reported that the Raiders were now considering Steve Mariucci.
The next morning Tim Kawakami had a whole column dedicated to the hiring of Mariucci.
The next day some correspondent named Rosenthal had picked it up and spread it a bit further.
As it was absolutely baseless it died within two days.
As the Raider Org. never divulges anything, people do look here for ideas about the team.
I wanted to see how true that was. It made me laugh.
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wow… very very cool…
i did something on Crooks and Liars a couple years ago that had a huge effect… contributing to blogs sometimes does have a significant effect…
it’s one of the reasons i was so pissed off last year’s draft… a lot of people here had some good ideas…
none of them were taken…
January 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Yeah..I run a business..and..most times business calls.
But how sweet are you to just sit here and wait for me?
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Yeah I know that business you run. It’s the one all boarded up with you sitting at a desk next to a dusty phone from the 1970’s waiting for it to ring. It does ring, just 99% of the time it’s a wrong number. And BTW thinking I wait for you is another example of you glossing yourself. Don’t flatter yourself.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Yeah Pete there were 3 or 4 great Tackles taken in the first round and none by us!
Several people in here had us taking one of those OL prospects can you imagine how disgusted many of us were when Al took DHB!!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Seymour
“Yeah I know that business you run.”
Ever see the Movie Office Space
“This is my stapler” probably looks and sounds like Little Ricky!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Triple6,
yeah, I wanted “THE REACH” Alex Mack. All great Raider team have been anchored by an excellent player at the C position. Otto, Dalby, Mosebar, Crazy Barrett.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Heres the ,most likely deal. Cable stays and the Raiders are having him help with who he might like as assistants per Davis’s selections or final say.
If we do hire Hue, maybe he can help SanJay teach our wides how to run routes and catch the ball.
Hoping whm ever we get as a play caller cracks the books because I’ve ssen some nice creative calls that picked up good yardage like a nifty hook and lateral screen play to DMC that picked up 20 and pumped the crowd.
Ran a reverse on the next play for 15 on an eventual scoring drive.
Do I think oakland should go college back yard ball? No.
But I do think they should open it up with the kind of speed and talent they have on O.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm
All this talk of “who’s going to be HC”
“Cable is staying” “Cable is going”
AND..there is the talk of “Al’s interviewing so and so for OC, or oline, etc”
SHOULDN’T THE HEAD COACH BE THE ONE DOING THE INTERVIEWING FOR HIS STAFF??
Now, of course, it’s all speculation. Maybe interviews going on, maybe not, not sure who’s in room, etc….BUT..it was bad enough Al hired all of Cable’s staff BEFORE he hired Cable..but if in fact Al is still hiring his staff, after he’s the HC??
What quality HC will EVER COME TO THE RAIDERS, KNOWING THAT?
None..zero..zilch.
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a rather bizarre assessment considering the number of head coaches we’ve had over the past 9 years…
then again…
it is coming from you…
huh, strap-on…
January 21st, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Florida Pete,
yes, it was pretty entertaining to watch the unfounded thought of Mariucci take wing.
It seemed both a plausible and good idea to me and it was both plausible and good enough to fly.
I’ll stand by it. Steve Mariucci Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:38 pm
M….Vs. Cleavland,I watched Mack man-handle warren and Kelly single-handedly.The whole game
January 21st, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Lonetree
I wanted Monroe or Loadholt
January 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Mack would have been a solid pick someone to anchor the line for years to come.
I knew Satele wasn’t the answer!!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Grove kind of flopped in Miami too
January 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm
4eva,
I ain’t lyin’ when I reflect that all great Raider teams had excellent centers. Mack seemed like that man to continue the tradition.
Contributors here regurgitated the BSPN/expert line “no centers so high as #7!!!!” Why the F not? If he’s the player to anchor your line till Kingdom come then why the F not?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:45 pm
WHEN OUR PICK CAME UP I WAS SCREAMING FOR MICHAEL OHER . WHEN THEY DRAFTED DHB I WAS LIKE= WHO ?
THIS YEAR ILL BE SCREAMING FOR JIMMY CLAUSEN. IM USUALLY RIGHT .
January 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm
DID YALL HEAR BOUT THE ALL WHITE BASKETBALL LEAGUE STARTIN UP IN GEORGIA? SUM EX WRESTLER SAID HE WANTS TO SHOWCASE FUNDAMENTAL BASKETBALL .
January 21st, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Finally Jerry McDonald wrote something that is true. That Jackson for sure interviewed. I love how there are all these rumors about Trestman, Fassell, etc. that have interviewed. No one has seen them, no one has anything official from either party, espn reported some stuff but it’s all conjecture and rumor. And hence it’s all BS until something actually happens!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Lucifer-666 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Yeah Pete there were 3 or 4 great Tackles taken in the first round and none by us!
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“Great?”
I don’t know about that. Too early in their careers.
Jason Smith went 2nd overall so we would’ve had to give up alot for him IF St. Louis would even do that. He ended the a mediocre season injured I think.
Fatso Andre Smith has been less than impressive in Cincy, again a trade up.
Could’ve had Eugene Monroe, he held out on the Jags for 12 days before signing a $25 mill deal. Started 13 games and seemed to be developing into a good LT.
Michael Oher wnet at 23 to the Ravens and did well.
I agree it would’ve been nice to have a solid LT but to grab one but we had Henderson (who faded down the stretch and who missed Gallery) and thats alot to ask and to pay for a left tackle to jump to right.
Hope we fix the O line this year!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Triple6,
OT a solid choice. From what I read and saw Loadholt actually held his own better’n Monroe in the rookie season.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:47 pm
“no centers so high as #7!!!!”
I know how stupid is that…..what about no crappy WR’s at #7!!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm
BUT TRUTHFULLY. I WATCH COOLEGE FOOTBALL EVERY YEAR. AND EVERY YEAR RAIDERS DRAFT SUM1 I NEVER HEARD OF . LIKE ROBERT GALLERY . THOMAS HOWARD. MICHAEL HUFF , DHB .
January 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm
in an all white basketball league will dunks be automatic ejections. crossovers will be technical fouls. all players will be forced 2 wear john stockton nut huggin shorts. and gatorade will be replaced with coffee ?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Yep Mack was a lot of guys in here pick.If I was running a draft,I would draft for team need.Thats why I rejoiced when Big Al picked Sea-Bass #1 because the year B4 we lost like 6 games by 2 points….so 2me Sea-Bass was the only and logical pick….We haven’t been a dominating team since Robbins and we all know this….Why dont they?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Lucifer-666 Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Mack would have been a solid pick someone to anchor the line for years to come.
I knew Satele wasn’t the answer!!
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I was hoping Satele’s injury while in Miami was the reason he struggled. Turns out he’s not smart enough to execute the ZBS.
cable said Satele was starting to get it later in the year but you could’ve fooled me.
The guy whiffed on assignments and is dumbfounded by stunts.
He’ll probably get the start next year.
Hopefully we get a solid center and a new right side.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Gallery was a consensus top 5 pick coming out, Huff was a consensus top 10 pick coming out!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
SATANFEARS ALDAVIS Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:48 pm
BUT TRUTHFULLY. I WATCH COOLEGE FOOTBALL EVERY YEAR. AND EVERY YEAR RAIDERS DRAFT SUM1 I NEVER HEARD OF . LIKE ROBERT GALLERY . THOMAS HOWARD. MICHAEL HUFF , DHB .
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Seriously?!
Gallery was THE blue chip lineman that year and Huff was dynamite. Tops at his spot his year.
Howard was a great pcik up and not a secret either.
DHB was known, but not rated in the top 10 or even 20 by some accounts.
Had a sh*t QB and no real help on O but had size and speed.
Knew he’d be a project but gawd, he’s looked awful…
January 21st, 2010 at 3:53 pm
“Hopefully we get a solid center and a new right side”.
Well put….not asking for much just an OL overhaul!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Lucifer 666: No doubt! But needed my friend…
January 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 2:46 pm
All this talk of “who’s going to be HC”
“Cable is staying” “Cable is going”
AND..there is the talk of “Al’s interviewing so and so for OC, or oline, etc”
SHOULDN’T THE HEAD COACH BE THE ONE DOING THE INTERVIEWING FOR HIS STAFF??
Now, of course, it’s all speculation. Maybe interviews going on, maybe not, not sure who’s in room, etc….BUT..it was bad enough Al hired all of Cable’s staff BEFORE he hired Cable..but if in fact Al is still hiring his staff, after he’s the HC??
What quality HC will EVER COME TO THE RAIDERS, KNOWING THAT?
None..zero..zilch.
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a rather bizarre assessment considering the number of head coaches we’ve had over the past 9 years…
then again…
it is coming from you…
huh, strap-on…
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Geez..slow..and stupid.
Hell of a way to go through life, Petey.
What part of that confused you?
Point is because of Al’s meddling, no QUALITY head coach will ever come and coach for the Raiders..and you stupidly reply “bizarre assessment considering the number of coaches in the last 9 years”????
You even confuse yourself, don’t you?
Key phrase, moron, is QUALITY HEAD COACHES..you dumbass.
Yeah, peanut, the Raiders have had a LOT OF HEAD COACHES, but ZERO OF THEM CAME IN ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS A QUALITY HEAD COACH.
You need everything explained for you..don’t you?
January 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Triple6,
three drafts ago Russell was the obvious pick to me. No more retreads and no Quinn. Oh well.
two draft ago it was obvious that Ryan Clady was the pick. Hello McFumble.
last draft Mack. Ahem, we took Clank.
next? I defer.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm
There’s no reason we shouldn’t be able to add to our OL through FA too. In some ways I like those guys better because you know more of what you are getting and OL is one of those positions that it’s good to have experience. I think we will indeed see an over hall in the OL!
January 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm
just thought this was hilarious!
http://www.break.com/index/guido-guy-wants-to-fight.html
a guido wldin out …
January 21st, 2010 at 3:59 pm
thats why the pick will be defense,Dtrain,imo
January 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:22 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Yeah..I run a business..and..most times business calls.
But how sweet are you to just sit here and wait for me?
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Yeah I know that business you run. It’s the one all boarded up with you sitting at a desk next to a dusty phone from the 1970’s waiting for it to ring. It does ring, just 99% of the time it’s a wrong number. And BTW thinking I wait for you is another example of you glossing yourself. Don’t flatter yourself.
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Hey, moron, your words, not mine.
Go look above.
I leave for a while and you post your 5th grade level giggles..everything about you screams “stupid kid”
I show back up and you follow me like a pathetic little puppy…Yep…screams ’stupid kid’.
What’s sad?
Is you’re probably not a kid, lol…which makes you even sadder..now..beyotch..follow me.
And pick up after yourself, dammit..might as well be useful for something.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Ravens RFA Jared Gaither (not exactly ZBS nimble) but a good lineman.
Broncos Ben Hamilton Knows the ZBS and may have some tread.
Texans Chester Pitts may be available
January 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm
As long as that D pick is an LB or a DT I would be okay with that too
January 21st, 2010 at 4:01 pm
4eva,
if it’s D then let Florida Pete have a go at the choice.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Nnamdi21,
do we need more retread ZBS linemen or just better linemen?
January 21st, 2010 at 4:05 pm
thank you gentleman, ladies for a fine afternoon.
Raider on.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm
What quality HC will EVER COME TO THE RAIDERS, KNOWING THAT?
None..zero..zilch.
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a rather bizarre assessment considering the number of head coaches we’ve had over the past 9 years…
then again…
it is coming from you…
huh, strap-on…
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Geez..slow..and stupid.
Hell of a way to go through life, Petey.
What part of that confused you?
Point is because of Al’s meddling, no QUALITY head coach will ever come and coach for the Raiders..and you stupidly reply “bizarre assessment considering the number of coaches in the last 9 years”????
You even confuse yourself, don’t you?
Key phrase, moron, is QUALITY HEAD COACHES..you dumbass.
Yeah, peanut, the Raiders have had a LOT OF HEAD COACHES, but ZERO OF THEM CAME IN ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS A QUALITY HEAD COACH.
You need everything explained for you..don’t you?
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wow… you do get all wound up don’t you… i told you earlier to take off the helmet when you post…
uh, i was wrong… better put that thing back on before you hurt yourself…
um… you’re gonna have to define “quality”…
there’s an article saying Gruden would still like to come back…
but, hey… for a little nutcase, manic depressive like yourself… well… you probably only consider the previous year’s super bowl winner to be quality…
so tell us… did you think Kiffie (who i know is your kind of guy) was quality???
how about Turner??? he seems to have done okay since he left…
so define quality…
January 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:56 pm
Triple6,
three drafts ago Russell was the obvious pick to me. No more retreads and no Quinn. Oh well.
two draft ago it was obvious that Ryan Clady was the pick. Hello McFumble.
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Clady wasn’t the pick at #4. McFadden was. Clady didn’t go until #12.
Everyone was salivating over DMAC in the ZBS Oakland was running very well at the time.
Who could’ve pictured his abysmal performance? You know, other than Mike mayock who called it before the draft.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:07 pm
the floor is yours Pete!
January 21st, 2010 at 4:09 pm
if it’s D then let Florida Pete have a go at the choice.
797.M Lonetree Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Nnamdi21,
do we need more retread ZBS linemen or just better linemen?
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Better linemen. I hope we don’t continue with the cheap retreads we’ve got like Green and Carlisle and I hope Tom Cable has nothing to do with their selection. His guys have worse then sucked. Kwame and Khalif? Complete wastes of space.
If Cable stays, so does the ZBS. If you’re giving Cable one more year and then want to ditch the ZBS they may go with ZBS retreads again and Denvers got a couple potential FA’s.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:11 pm
dtrain Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm
As long as that D pick is an LB or a DT I would be okay with that too
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Maybe but we need depth at CB unforch. I think Routt’s contract may be up and he’s been an under achiever.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Altho….Georgia Tech runs the wing-t formation.O-line-men from G.T. could play right away for us,imo.I gotta go see if any G.T Olinemen are coming out =)
January 21st, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Jackson in Oakland for three straight days of interviews…for an OC position….hmmmm, not likely…
“January 21, 2010
Jackson could be interviewing for Cable’s job, source says
Ravens quarterbacks coach Hue Jackson spent a third straight day in Oakland interviewing with the Raiders for a coaching position Thursday.
Despite media reports that Raiders owner Al Davis has recently been interviewing candidates for an assistant coaching position, it should not come as a surprise if Raiders coach Tom Cable is fired and Jackson replaces him, according to a source. The Raiders could not be reached for comment.
The Raiders like Jackson, 45, because he played a major part in the development of Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer, and the Raiders also like what he has done working with Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco the past two seasons. Jackson, who has been with the Ravens for two years, also has ties to California, having held coaching jobs at USC, California and Cal State-Fullerton.
If Jackson, who has not been a head coach, is hired, it wouldn’t be the first time Davis made an interesting pick for coach, including Kiffin, who was the offensive coordinator at USC when Davis hired him in 2007, and Cable, who had been the offensive line coach at Oakland and Atlanta before succeeding Kiffin.
Cable went 5-11 in his first full season as coach and is 9-19 since replacing Lane Kiffin early in the 2008 season, leading the Raiders to their NFL-worst seventh straight season with at least 11 losses.”
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/01/jackson_could_be_interviewing_for_cables_job_source_says.html
January 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm
According to Hacksaw Hamilton, Kiffin is going after Cable for the OL job at USC…
Raider coaches dont flourish at Oakland because of the GM/Owner, but go elsewere and have good careers…
January 21st, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Nnamdi,
I agree that we need CB depth. I just don’t want any backfield with our first pick. I think we really need guys that can tackle and stop the run first and foremost. If that’s improved, Routt may improve some too.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Yeah..I run a business..
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I don’t think going down to the St. Vincent DePaul to get your weekly handout of groceries counts as running a business. Technically.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:17 pm
See ya tomorrow…Cable better have been fired by then or I will crack some skulls!
Or maybe I’ll just get really pissed off and type angrily!
January 21st, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Centers
Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State
Wisniewki will be highly regarded by zone-blocking teams. He reminds me of Tampa Bay Buccaneer Jeff Faine with his technique and athleticism.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm
JT, interesting statement
Raider coaches dont flourish at Oakland because of the GM/Owner, but go elsewere and have good careers…
That tells me that Al is good at evaluating talent but not letting that talent flourish. And if Al is good at evaluating talent then all that stuff about the game passing him by is BS.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Oops….from Walter football
January 21st, 2010 at 4:21 pm
rochochet, i don’t like you
January 21st, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Dtrain
I think the game has passed him by in the sense that in todays NFL, a 80 yr Al Davis who micromanages everything, is set for failure…
I think he is good at spoting talent, but he gets in the way of his EGO… he wants all the credit, and wants a puppet coach… so he dominates the raiders into failure LOL…
January 21st, 2010 at 4:27 pm
What AL needs to do is hire Mike Mayock, that dude clearly knows how to evaluate talent and knows which players will flourish in the right system. AL needs to make him VP of player evaluator or something along that line, pay the dude more than what he is making in NFL Network. He could hand pick a list of talent for AL to choose from and AL chooses who he wants but from that list. As far as Coaching goes, I wished AL would fire Sanjay Lal and the running back coach right away, Sherman Smith is still available along with Robiskie Falcons Wide Reciever coach. We need coaches who could teach these young players.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Dtrain
In other words, AL Davis needs a GM and needs to step out of the way so the raiders can progress into the future.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Maybe John Herrera will be the GM LOL
January 21st, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Al still can evaluate talent. Schilens is a hell of a 7th round pick and Murphy and Bush in round 4 are pretty good themselves. Al was laughed at for drafting Nnamdi. Quality coaching candidates need the autonomy Gruden asked for or they will get it elsewhere so unless we find another diamond in the rough like Gruden, we’ll continiue to suck
January 21st, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Inoneword,
I agree we do seem to do fairly well in later rounds. I know Nnamdi was a late first the same year that that DE was drafted too, (can’t remember his name but ended up in Carolina) but it seems as though generally our 1st rounders struggle.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:46 pm
To say Davis can’t draft is not quite right. Zach Miller, Schilens, Louis Murphy, Henderson, Trevor Scott, Nnamdi, Lechler, Tyvon Branch there are some pretty good players there. You may not like Tommie Kelly but he is a damn good player for being undrafted. The problem with the Raiders is they don’t seem very good at developing some of their higher choices like Jamarcus, Huff, DHB, Dmac. Gallery took a while to turn into a top flight player and part of that was they misused him and of course the coaching carousel certainly did not help his development.
January 21st, 2010 at 4:53 pm
we do need cornerback help… but not right away…
what we do need right away are linebackers…
a lot of them ’cause just about all of the ones we have are about to be free agents…
so…
1st round… McClain…
2nd round… Dan Williams…
3rd round… Micah Johnson…
rest of the draft should be for o-line help…
Kelly and/or Warren need to take a big paycut…
that one that doesn’t needs to be released…
January 21st, 2010 at 5:02 pm
The Raider Draft does better in the late rounds, while Davis is asleep.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:02 pm
We do need cornerback help, but I am with Pete that we could probably limp one more year with Routt. Also Branch might be able to play corner in a pinch.
Once again, I am looking at the excellent Left Tackles in the lst round, but I have to say, McClain might be a very good choice at #8. Everyone will say we took him too high, but what other good ILB is there? Dan Williams will be gone before we choose in the 2nd round, and remember we have 2 third rounders this draft! If Golden Tate was available when we choose in the 2nd round….
January 21st, 2010 at 5:05 pm
I would imagine the few professionals left there in the front office, have more sway in the later rounds of the draft.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:14 pm
In the later rounds, that is probably when Davis draws names out of a hat.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:17 pm
In the coming draft, the Raiders should not draft anyone who weighs less than 300 pounds.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Raiders Grief Counselor Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 5:17 pm
In the coming draft, the Raiders should not draft anyone who weighs less than 300 pounds.
Thats what they did 3 years ago when they drafted Russell!!!! LOL
January 21st, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Agent says Jim Harbaugh didn’t meet with Raiders.–pft.com
January 21st, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Florida Pete
Only player that I am sure will be available is McClain, Dan Williams is projected as late first rounder, between 25th and 29th overall pick. Now a more realistic pick would be like this, considering AL’s fascination with the 40 time.
1st round… OL Campbell fastest LT in this draft project 4.8
2nd round… CB Javier Arenas AL will draft this speed demon for his return game and play making ability.
3rd round… DT D’Anthony Smith Al’s pick written all over him if he runs 4.8 or 4.9
3rd round MLB Micah Johnson he will be available this late
This of course pending a trade but I seriously think this would be the picks AL favors.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:38 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 3:55 pm
What quality HC will EVER COME TO THE RAIDERS, KNOWING THAT?
None..zero..zilch.
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a rather bizarre assessment considering the number of head coaches we’ve had over the past 9 years…
then again…
it is coming from you…
huh, strap-on…
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Geez..slow..and stupid.
Hell of a way to go through life, Petey.
What part of that confused you?
Point is because of Al’s meddling, no QUALITY head coach will ever come and coach for the Raiders..and you stupidly reply “bizarre assessment considering the number of coaches in the last 9 years”????
You even confuse yourself, don’t you?
Key phrase, moron, is QUALITY HEAD COACHES..you dumbass.
Yeah, peanut, the Raiders have had a LOT OF HEAD COACHES, but ZERO OF THEM CAME IN ALREADY ESTABLISHED AS A QUALITY HEAD COACH.
You need everything explained for you..don’t you?
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wow… you do get all wound up don’t you… i told you earlier to take off the helmet when you post…
uh, i was wrong… better put that thing back on before you hurt yourself…
um… you’re gonna have to define “quality”…
there’s an article saying Gruden would still like to come back…
but, hey… for a little nutcase, manic depressive like yourself… well… you probably only consider the previous year’s super bowl winner to be quality…
so tell us… did you think Kiffie (who i know is your kind of guy) was quality???
how about Turner??? he seems to have done okay since he left…
so define quality…
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Paying attention isn’t your strong suit, is it?
NO QUALITY COACHES CAME TO THE RAIDERS.
Gruden WASN’T A COACH, nimrod, he was an asst.
Turner was anything BUT a quality head coach when he came to the Raiders.
Shanahan wasn’t a quality head coach when he came to the Raiders.
HAD THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR BONES, they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of the Raiders..
Get the point? lol…geez..it’s like explaining things to my 12 year old..except..HE GETS IT THE FIRST TIME..
You? You’re a fool. Same fool who ran the “advertise, interview and HIRE a replacement PRIOR to firing a manager” take.
that explained it all.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:39 pm
I doubt AL drafts a Center or RG, he will keep this OL together maybe sign a veteran or two but I highly doubt AL will invest his money on RG or C.
January 21st, 2010 at 5:40 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 4:53 pm
we do need cornerback help… but not right away…
what we do need right away are linebackers…
a lot of them ’cause just about all of the ones we have are about to be free agents…
so…
1st round… McClain…
2nd round… Dan Williams…
3rd round… Micah Johnson…
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Hey peanut?
Anyway you can post that another dozen times?
Go for an even 100…why not?
January 21st, 2010 at 5:47 pm
A center is not needed but RG and RT should be priority…I would like to see what Barnes could do with a full training camp and a healthy start
January 21st, 2010 at 5:57 pm
we do need cornerback help… but not right away…
what we do need right away are linebackers…
a lot of them ’cause just about all of the ones we have are about to be free agents…
so…
1st round… McClain…
2nd round… Dan Williams…
3rd round… Micah Johnson…
January 21st, 2010 at 6:07 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 5:38 pm
What quality HC will EVER COME TO THE RAIDERS, KNOWING THAT?
None..zero..zilch.
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Paying attention isn’t your strong suit, is it?
NO QUALITY COACHES CAME TO THE RAIDERS.
Gruden WASN’T A COACH, nimrod, he was an asst.
Turner was anything BUT a quality head coach when he came to the Raiders.
Shanahan wasn’t a quality head coach when he came to the Raiders.
HAD THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR BONES, they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of the Raiders..
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Mike Singletary was a motivational speaker. He came to become Head Coach of the Whiners as an interim coach after being an assistant. Andy Reid was an assistant with Green Bay before Philly hired him. Brad Childress was a QB Coach right before Minnesota hired him. You know Brad Childress. He’s coaching in the Conference Championship. Whisenhunt was an assistant in Pitt who got hired in Zona. You want me to keep going? YOU are a complete DUMMASS pal.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:12 pm
BTW Hue Jackson is a very highly touted and respected offensive coach who has been interviewing with the organization for the past three days. Hence the idea that no quality coaches will come here is debunked once again.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Guys go check out the mock drafts, Dan Williams is highly rated, he wont drop to the Second and even if he drops, he will be snatched by the Chiefs or someone b4 us.
1st Campbell Fastest OL
2nd Arenas Best return man and playmaking CB
3rd Anthony Fastest DT
3rd Micah Knucklehead MLB
January 21st, 2010 at 6:18 pm
We find out tomorrow. I got a feeling.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:18 pm
More than a feeling
January 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:07 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 5:38 pm
What quality HC will EVER COME TO THE RAIDERS, KNOWING THAT?
None..zero..zilch.
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Paying attention isn’t your strong suit, is it?
NO QUALITY COACHES CAME TO THE RAIDERS.
Gruden WASN’T A COACH, nimrod, he was an asst.
Turner was anything BUT a quality head coach when he came to the Raiders.
Shanahan wasn’t a quality head coach when he came to the Raiders.
HAD THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR BONES, they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of the Raiders..
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Mike Singletary was a motivational speaker. He came to become Head Coach of the Whiners as an interim coach after being an assistant. Andy Reid was an assistant with Green Bay before Philly hired him. Brad Childress was a QB Coach right before Minnesota hired him. You know Brad Childress. He’s coaching in the Conference Championship. Whisenhunt was an assistant in Pitt who got hired in Zona. You want me to keep going? YOU are a complete DUMMASS pal.
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Holy schitt….yes..honestly…I’m ROFLMFAO.
Dude..you honestly have no idea how ignorant you just came across?
Ok..I’m going to dumb it down for you…WAY DOWN..so even YOU can understand.
Yes, pumpkin..Singletary was an asst. And yes, he was hired by the Niners. Whiz was an asst. For that matter, you complete moron, EVERY SINGLE HEAD COACH IN THE NFL WAS, AT ONE TIME AN ASSISTANT.
Now, lol..and yes..I can’t stop laughing..even kids are asking why I’m laughing..the comment was NO QUALITY HEAD COACH WILL COME TO THE RAIDERS.
The raiders…not SF..not Minn…THE RAIDERS.
But..you freaking moron, even THAT WASN’T YOUR POINT.
You’re saying “assts got hired and became good coaches’??
Yeah…and???
AND??? lol..what the hell does that have to do with the fact that NO QUALITY HEAD COACH WILL EVER COME AND COACH FOR THE RAIDERS??
All smack aside..you really, truly..are an idiot, aren’t you?
Now…here…this is the LAST THING I POSTED ON YOUR PASTE…”HAD THEY ALREADY MADE THEIR BONES, they wouldn’t even entertain the idea of the Raiders..”
You understand that? Says HAD THEY ALREADY BEEN GOOD..ALREADY ESTABLISHED..IN DEMAND…you know..”QUALITY”..they wouldn’t want the Raider job”..
HOW IN THE HELL IS IT YOU NEEDED THAT EXPLAINED?
wow..lol..yeah…wow. Even dumbing it down gets a wow.
you do know other posters read your comment, shook their head, and muttered ‘you dumbass’..don’t you?
Trust me..they did. Now dammmmmnnnn…shut up fool. Now you’re just embarrassing yourself.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:27 pm
EVERY SINGLE HEAD COACH IN THE NFL WAS, AT ONE TIME AN ASSISTANT.
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So there for if an excellent assistant becomes an excellent Head Coach, only a moron would have a problem. And since I knew this was coming, the very top head coaches would not go to a lot of destinations. That’s why guys like Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher and Jon Gruden have not been hired. But only a moron would not know that.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Man this guy is stupid. OK, so let me get this straight. This guy says that no top Head Coach will come to Oakland. But Childress was an assistant who is now a HC, Sean Peyton was an assistant promoted to HC, Caldwell was an assistant promoted to HC and Rex Ryan was an assistant promoted to HC. So of ALL the teams left in the playoffs, they all fall into what I am saying and against the irrelevant point rich-sheeit is making. You should be laughing rich-o. You’re a joke.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:12 pm
BTW Hue Jackson is a very highly touted and respected offensive coach who has been interviewing with the organization for the past three days. Hence the idea that no quality coaches will come here is debunked once again.
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He’s being run out of Baltimore, blamed for Flacco’s regression this year.
I posted the article 3 times yesterday.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:02 pm
# KoolKell Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:12 pm
BTW Hue Jackson is a very highly touted and respected offensive coach who has been interviewing with the organization for the past three days. Hence the idea that no quality coaches will come here is debunked once again.
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He’s being run out of Baltimore, blamed for Flacco’s regression this year.
I posted the article 3 times yesterday.
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Why did you post it three times? Wasn’t once enough? And if he is being run out of Baltimore for taking a guy his rookie year to the AFC Championship game, what happened? He somehow forget how to coach?
January 21st, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Seymour Bush
What Richochet is trying to say is very simple. AL mingles with coaches game plan and personal. No Quality meaning a good Coach who has options other then the Raiders would coach this team under AL’s mingling terms, all the coaches you mentioned were given complete authority over their teams, AL runs the show and the coach who comes here understand that and becomes a puppet just like Cable ” We are progressing” yeah right 5-11.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Yes, Krappy, you sure did. You posted that article 3 times, along with the Raider record over the last 7 years. You posted that over 800 times.
Are you that senile that you think all people – not just deranged, brain dead ones like yourself – need something repeated to infinity for it sink in?
Krappy, I’ve had pity on you for a long time now, as I’m not one to pick on senior citizens for no reason. Well, not usually.
But you seem to honestly believe your incessant posting and reposting of meaningless stats, old articles that everyone has read and irritatingly ignorant racist comments are getting some kind of message across to the fans AND the powers that be.
Krappy, you’ve give me no choice:
I’m not longer donating adult diapers to your wife.
Baja will KICK ASS, bros!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Hue Jackson is a bright young defensive coach with experience working with young receivers and a young talented QB. He is an ideal candidate to come in as OC because he has seen first hand how to handle two problem spots for our team and has worked with Cable in the past.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Offensive*
January 21st, 2010 at 7:15 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 6:42 pm
Man this guy is stupid. OK, so let me get this straight. This guy says that no top Head Coach will come to Oakland.
RICHOCHET: You’re FREAKING RETARDED, AREN’T YOU? I broke it down so even a slow child can follow along. Hell, EVERYONE ELSE KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANS SAYING NO QUALITY HEAD COACH WILL COME TO COACH IN OAKLAND. hell, MANY POSTERS HERE HAVE ECHOED THAT EXACT SENTIMENT..but you? You don’t know what that means? You can’t figure out WHAT IT MEANS?
Dude…I can’t dumb it down any more. I just can’t. You’re not 5. I refuse to post to you as if you’re 5. Sorry, not going to do it.
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But Childress was an assistant who is now a HC, Sean Peyton was an assistant promoted to HC, Caldwell was an assistant promoted to HC and Rex Ryan was an assistant promoted to HC. So of ALL the teams left in the playoffs, they all fall into what I am saying and against the irrelevant point rich-sheeit is making. You should be laughing rich-o. You’re a joke.
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RICHOCHET: I’m quoting you here, just so in the future I can, for fun, paste this again.
You just honestly can’t be this stupid, can you?
Who’s talking about “some assts turn out to be good/great/horrible/bad/mediocre coaches?”
Who?
OF COURSE some assts pan out..many don’t…WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH MY COMMENT THAT NO QUALITY HEAD COACH WILL EVER COME AND COACH THE RAIDERS?
You actually need me to post “Oh..uh…SeyMoron? uh..gosh.. you know, some assts work out. some don’t. Some get promoted, some never do…but..uh..Seymoron? Those who do go on? who get promoted? Who TURN INTO QUALITY HEAD COACHES??? They MADE THEIR BONES, and don’t even consider coming to Oakland”?????
How old are you?
Seriously..I feel like I’m talking to someone retarded.
I have nothing against retarded people. It’s not their fault. But I do have a problem picking on someone who is retarded, or acts retarded.
Dude…your elevator stops a few floors short..doesn’t it?
January 21st, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Raiders4eve
A big name doesn’t make a good coach. There are plenty of good coaches that would come but very few big names.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Ricochet
noun
1. the motion of an object or a projectile in rebounding or deflecting one or more times from the surface over which it is passing or against which it hits a glancing blow.
How fitting. His comments just don’t stick.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:20 pm
# Raiders4eve Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Seymour Bush
What Richochet is trying to say is very simple. AL mingles with coaches game plan and personal. No Quality meaning a good Coach who has options other then the Raiders would coach this team under AL’s mingling terms, all the coaches you mentioned were given complete authority over their teams, AL runs the show and the coach who comes here understand that and becomes a puppet just like Cable ” We are progressing” yeah right 5-11.
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Raiders4eve I understand what he is saying, it is just a stupid point. Let me elaborate: when the Phony Whiner job came up last year, there wasn’t a line of marquee coaches out the door for that gig. Why not? The SF ownership is in flux, the stadium is the worst in the league, there are rumours as to where they are going, their ownership is not the most committed to winning. In other words for these marquee coaches to go to a destination, there has to be a lot of things in place for them to go there. Do you think a marquee coach is going to San Diego with AJ Smith there? and their stadium and moving issues? Not likely. In other words we are not alone in that situation and the reality is all final four playoff teams are coached by guys who were assistants on successful teams just a few years before. That seems to be the more realistic approach. Richo-sheeit must want Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno to come here.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Once again, I thought even richo-sheeit could figure out what I was saying. He couldn’t. He wasn’t smart enough.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:25 pm
# severeraiderz Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Raiders4eve
A big name doesn’t make a good coach. There are plenty of good coaches that would come but very few big names.
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“very few big names”?? don’t you mean zero big names? Name one..even ONE that would consider it.
“plenty of good coaches would come”? You mean plenty of good assistant coaches would come, right? Zero GOOD coaches have interviewed and stuck around for the second day. Lots of asst’s couldn’t even be bothered coming to Oakland to interview, such as Peyton, and Whiz.
As far as a “big name doesn’t make a good coach”??????
Uh..can you name me someone in the NFL that is a “big name” who ISN’T a good coach?
Maybe we differ on what a “big name” means.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 5:02 pm
We do need cornerback help, but I am with Pete that we could probably limp one more year with Routt. Also Branch might be able to play corner in a pinch.
Once again, I am looking at the excellent Left Tackles in the lst round, but I have to say, McClain might be a very good choice at #8. Everyone will say we took him too high, but what other good ILB is there? Dan Williams will be gone before we choose in the 2nd round, and remember we have 2 third rounders this draft! If Golden Tate was available when we choose in the 2nd round….
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I like the idea of McClain too, but you really end up reaching when you draft for need. They’ll create their board of the best players and take the guy who is available.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Uh oh, looks like we need to bust out rich-o’s drool rag again. By big name coaches richo-sheeit means Bobby Bowden or Joe Paterno. Some 95 year old guy with a “big” name. He’s right those guys wouldn’t come here.
As for the rest of the league, they’re all promoting assistants and winning that way. But of course everyone but richo-sheeit seems to know that.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:29 pm
To me, Al going to all this trouble to take the offense away from Cable is a bad sign for him. What’s the use in keeping him around if he’s not calling plays? I’d have no problem with Jackson or Harbaugh.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:30 pm
RaiderDebo expect Scott Pioli to draft for need right in front of us. I know it is unpopular, but he build some pretty good New England teams that way.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Where is my man Dogg?
Gasoft man! Pau Gasoft!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Cable got in a bit over his head. Bringing in Hue Jackson would be another guy who’s been in the league awhile he could bounce ideas off, and to take some responsibility from Cable, e.g. playcalling. + Jackson might be able to relate to Russell better than Cable, Tollner and Hackett.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Only reason “big name” coaches won’t come to Oakland is because Al is not offering 10 million a year.
Of course no big name coach will come for 3-4 million a year.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:33 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Once again, I thought even richo-sheeit could figure out what I was saying. He couldn’t. He wasn’t smart enough.
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You got your ass handed to you on a platter. You have others trying to also dumb down the comments so you can grasp it..and all you can state is ‘OH..UH..WE’RE NOT THE ONLY ONES WHO MIGHT HAVE PROBLEMS ATTRACTING A QUALITY HEAD COACH’??
That’s it? lol…you sorryass joke.
And San Diego? YOU DUMBASS..they just extended Norv for three more years…geez.
Snyder? One of the toughest owners to work for? GOT GIBBS TO GO IN THERE..GOT SHANAHAN TO GO IN THERE.
And SF?? are you serious? lol…oh geez.
Uh…SHYTT FOR BRAINS? Singletary TOOK OVER DURING THE SEASON, YOU STUPID FOOL..Niners canned Nolan mid season..YOU FOOL. There was no hiring..at the end of the season, the Niners IMMEDIATELY offered Singletary a contract. And you STUPIDLY STATE “There was NO LINE of marquee coaches out the door”? Damn..you’re slow.
Yep, LMFAO at you going down in flames, moron.
Go ahead..bring up another team…I’ll torch your sorryass on that..and laugh as I do it.
Care to bet? Come on, mental deficient tool..think of something, lol..because you’re not doing too well.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:34 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Only reason “big name” coaches won’t come to Oakland is because Al is not offering 10 million a year.
Of course no big name coach will come for 3-4 million a year.
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Oh c’mon..you don’t even want to go there, do you?
Only reason? Just the money?
You serious?
January 21st, 2010 at 7:36 pm
You’re not torching anyone you idiot. We’re all laughing at you.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Why is Cowher not working right now? Why is Jimmy Johnson not working right now? Why is Jon Gruden not working right now? Why is Marty Shottenheimer not working right now? According to rich-o none would come to Oakland. So they are all just sitting down waiting til Al dies.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Ricochet
Big names that would come but I don’t want include
Fassel, Dennis Green, and Gilbride.
And yes I said good coaches, a good coach isn’t just exclusive to a head coach.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Yeah, he did pretty well in New England. But to be honest with you, I think NE’s drafting the last few years has been pretty poor. I think Meriweather (?) is the only guy from his class still in the NFL, and I’m not that impressed with him. Last year, I thought Pioli reached for Tyson Jackson. No way he should have gone that high. It may end of working out, but I’m skeptical. We’re not overly talented at any position so I won’t be upset with any pick as long as he can come in and make plays.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:43 pm
# Richochet Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:33 pm
EVERY THING YOU SAY HERE IS WRONG!!
And San Diego? YOU DUMBASS..they just extended Norv for three more years…geez.
THEY HIRED A RETREAD TURNER CAUSE THEY HAD NO ONE ELSE. IT WORKED OUT FOR THEM, AND THEY JUST EXTENDED HIM.
Snyder? One of the toughest owners to work for? GOT GIBBS TO GO IN THERE..GOT SHANAHAN TO GO IN THERE.
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GIBBS IS FROM THERE. THINK THAT MAKES SENSE? SHANAHAN HAD NO OTHER OFFERS. HIS DENVER TEAMS WENT STRAIGHT DOWNHILL.
And SF?? are you serious? lol…oh geez.
Uh…SHYTT FOR BRAINS? Singletary TOOK OVER DURING THE SEASON, YOU STUPID FOOL..Niners canned Nolan mid season..YOU FOOL. There was no hiring..at the end of the season, the Niners IMMEDIATELY offered Singletary a contract. And you STUPIDLY STATE “There was NO LINE of marquee coaches out the door”? Damn..you’re slow.
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THE WHINERS NAMED SINGLETARY AN INTERIM COACH FOR THE GAMES AFTER NOLAN. ONCE THE SEASON WAS OVER BILL COWHER COULD HAVE CALLED. HE DIDN’T. WHO WAS BETTER THAN SINGLETARY FOR THEM?? WHO WAS BETTER THAN A GUY WITH ALMOST NO HEAD COACHING EXPERIENCE? NO ONE WAS!
YOU ARE THE DUMBEST PERSON IN HERE DUDE!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:45 pm
RaiderDebo I think you are exactly right, I do believe in drafting to fill needs tho. You have to. But I agree their drafting has been a bit suspect lately. So has San Diegos.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Yeah Richochet, I do want to go there.
Al is a cheap bahsturd! If Al wrote an 8 million dollar check and ALLOWED Gruden to come back, he’d be hear in a second.
If Al paid Dungy “Holmgren” money to be the GM he’d be here in a second.
Along with any other name you want to come up with.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:48 pm
No decent coach would come to Oakland. Period. Its not even debateable. The Raiders list of candidates and the rest of the league are entirely different. Only a guy desperate for a job would come to Oakland.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:48 pm
HERE’s WHY NO QUALITY HEAD COACH WILL EVER COME TO COACH FOR AL DAVIS.
1. Al hires the assts. has stated only HE hires and fires (See Kiffin/Ryan)
2. Al, regardless of opinion, still makes head up ass decisions regarding draft.
3. Al, regardless of what HC wants to do, decides, when he sees fit, who plays, and who sits. (See Norv benching Collins, stating Tui has the last 4 games, where immediately was overruled by Al, where Collins proceeded to lose out those same games)
4. Al will decide to toss out a whole scheme, on a whim, because he wants the defense or offense to try something different (See Sapp, Gannon, Rice, Brown..LOTS)
5. Al refuses to accept that he needs help/GM..whatever..and continues to make stupid decisions that hurt the team/organization (See Walker, Kwame, Hall, Wilson, Kelly)
6. Al refuses to pay his HC’s anywhere near what they are worth (”See EVERYONE)
7. Al goes public with dirty laundry instead of handling things with class (See OverHeadProjectorGate)
8. Al stupidly announced to all that he was not just terminating his HC, but wasn’t going to pay him HIS CONTRACT, STATING JUST CAUSE..which tells every quality candidate that the contract they sign might just be voided, for one of the owners demented reasons, that could end him in court for years to recoup.
9. Al is known for calling down from the box, to call in a play (See Gruden, flipping off Al up in his box, after one of many calls. See Sapp stating “We’re going deep. The phone from Al just rang.)
10. Al is known for his little spies that he puts in that run to Al tattling (See Shell/Lombardi. See Cable/Hanson)
There is more..but..I think an even 10 IS ENOUGH.
Anyone of those would keep many QUALITY head coaches away.
All of those?
IT’S NOW KEEPING THE WHIZ’S, THE PEYTON’S..ETC..AWAY.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:49 pm
fyi the following coaches are no longer on the Raiders website….
Bert Leone Quality Control, Defense
Aaron Pelch Assistant Special Teams
Rich Scangarello Quality Control, Offense
January 21st, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Personally and you guys will remember what I am saying, B. Spikes is better than McClain. He is true leader, solid against the run, played in SEC and I think he is the best MLB in this draft. Besides I doubt AL would pick either of them, but if I had choice I would trade down and pick Spikes. My two guys who I see can make a difference in this defense are B Spikes from Florida and fatso Terrence Cody, from Alabama. I see those two players as Haloti Ngata and Ray Lewis combo. Yes I know fatso lacks the athleticism but he can play football, he plays well against the run and helps the offense in the goal line. I hope AL picks them both.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:51 pm
we do need cornerback help… but not right away…
what we do need right away are linebackers…
a lot of them ’cause just about all of the ones we have are about to be free agents…
so…
1st round… McClain…
2nd round… Dan Williams…
3rd round… Micah Johnson…
January 21st, 2010 at 7:51 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Yeah Richochet, I do want to go there.
Al is a cheap bahsturd! If Al wrote an 8 million dollar check and ALLOWED Gruden to come back, he’d be hear in a second.
If Al paid Dungy “Holmgren” money to be the GM he’d be here in a second.
Along with any other name you want to come up with.
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NO WAY IN HELL
Holmgren?
Dungy?
going to put up with that list I just posted??
NO WAY IN HELL.
You’re assuming..you have NO IDEA if that’s an option, because you’re playing the safe card with the IF HE PAID 10 MILLION..well..many of those coaches that walked/ignored the job hadn’t even been given an offer.
Money and control was obvious with Gruden..but saying anyone would forsake that above list for the money?
Wrong.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Jhill
If AL is willing to pay 8 mill or more to a coach or GM, that means he is conceding his authority. He will no longer have a say on personal or game plan philosophy. AL wants puppets as coaches just like Richochet mentioned, no quality coaches comes here because AL is a control freak.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:52 pm
4eve,
All the things you said about Spikes are also true with McClain except that McClain is more than solid against the run.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Hey Moron, as I wrote earlier, you have an extreme tight grasp of the obvious. Tell us something we don;t know. So, Sean Peyton or Bill Cowher are not coming here. Are other good solid coaches willing to come here? Well, Norv Turner just finished 12-4, Jon Gruden would come back, Lane Kiffin just got hired at SC. What do you think?
January 21st, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Jon Gruden would come back?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Trade DMAC for a puppet!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:56 pm
al get your pants off the ground. Make a decision you jerk.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Ricochet
your argument is very flawed, especially since we know for sure that Gruden would come and that we had Sean Payton hired before JJ intervened. I mean we could hire any number of guys, but that doesn’t make them a good choice. How many guys do u think would have taken the Indy job, but for continuity sake they kept a GOOD coach that happened to be an assistant and promoted him. You probably thought Caldwell was a bad hire. How many in here thought Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh was a good hire or Mike Smith in Atl? Who knew how good Sporano was before Parcells hired him in Miami?
January 21st, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Al is not stupid enough to want Gruden back. He flamed in Tampa, and is overrated.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Seymour Bush, it could be said that Norv Turner hired before Al Davis was deemed completely insane. Besides, Turner had already been fired and wasn’t exactly in high demand. Gruden, is most likely blowing smoke since he knows Davis most likely wouldn’t hire him back. Plus, it is doubtful Gruden would coach the Raiders under current conditions, as Gannon stated. Kiffin? USC was just desperate.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Hey Jmac how come no word on these coaches that are no longer listed on the Raiders site?
Bert Leone Quality Control, Defense
Aaron Pelch Assistant Special Teams
Rich Scangarello Quality Control, Offense
January 21st, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Bert Leone, Aaron Pelch, Rich Scangarello, those guys sound like interns.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Al is the GM!
Did Carroll and Shanny Rat get to pick their whole staff? No hangovers? How about Buffalo?
Well outside of DHB and Mike Mitchell, Russell, Gallery, Huff, and DMAC were not bad picks at the time they were made. Easy to go Monday morning QB on us.
You mean like The Titans owner told Fisher to play Vince Young? (side note: can’t believe he made the Pro Bowl!).
Only person I’ve heard say that is Sapp. No argument that Ryan was a puppet. Marshall sure seems to be mixing it up though.
Or it just goes back to he needs to fork over the cash and hire a better coach. Kiffin and Cable picked those players!
The rest sound like personal issues you have against the owner or are lumped in to the whole Kiffin thing. Kiffin shouldn’t have acted like a spoiled brat. So Al told him NO you can’t bring your daddy here. Play out the year and hire someone else when Ryan’s contract is up instead quitting and trying to get fired.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Simon, Raiders.com also has Willie Brown still listed even though he retired. I wouldn’t take too much stock in that.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Zack Crocket is a scout.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Seymour, I
I totally agree with you about Jackson and Russell. I heard Greg Ellis on the raido say he doesn’t think JaMarcus and Cable can coexist. Maybe Jackson can solve that. Here’s my problem: I think we had a good setup in 2008 with Cable, Knapp and Russell. Knapp and Russell were joined at the hip on the sidelines and things really seemed to be progressing. The last two games of the year, we really looked like a good team. Then we quietly had one of the worst offseasons ever when Knapp left for Seattle and Schneider left for USC, we cut Jusitin Miller and Chaz got hurt. That day our passing game and kick/punt return game went right down the drain. I’ve always wondered why we couldnt retain those coaches. I’m assuming since Cable didn’t know for sure that he had the job, he had a tough time convincing those guys to stay, so that would be on Al. Whoever’s fault that was, it really set this team back. Hopefully, bringing a guy like Jackson on board can get this offense headed back in the right direction.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Knapp is a bum. That said, trade DMAC for Greg Knapp!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:11 pm
I never thought I would hear a football song lamer than San Diego Super Chargers, but hear it is by Prince:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/sports/prince-reveals-song-for-vikings-saints-game
January 21st, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Screw Bill Cowher anyway. His claim to fame is that he had a job NOBODY gets fired from. I should hope he won ONE Superbowl in what, 15 years???? When he coached there, Pittsburgh was the was the No. 1 choice of any coach who had to take his team on the road to win a playoff game. I couldn’t care less if that guy doesn’t want to come here.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:16 pm
I never though I would read a blog post dumber than the ones I have seen in here, but here it is compliments of PFT, regarding Jim Harbaugh rumors:
jreed says:
January 21, 2010 8:22 PM
Jim Harbaugh leaving Baltimore does not make any scene to me. He just got to B-more and has made himself a pretty good football team. Why would he turn around and start from scratch and rebuild the Raiders? Esp when we all know that Skeletor wont give him any freedom with the team!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:17 pm
I stand corrected RaiderDebo. Your previous post may be even stupider.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Did Mike Tomlin get to hire his own staff? Wonder what he’s making? Wonder if he has much say so in who got drafted?
January 21st, 2010 at 8:19 pm
hue jackson will also help dmc become a factor by giving him the ball along with bush. cable never made it a point to get dmc the ball nearly enuff. the argument to keep cable is weak. take russell out the mix and there hasnt been real progession by any of our young offensive guys. miller been solid from day 1 but every1else has been spotty. i have a hard time believing that a qualified oc couldnt get more out these guys than mr 4 verticals has.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:27 pm
wassup jizzie!!!!!! none of these coaches picks all of there staff just like they dont get to pick all of the players, the gm’s do that. coaches get paid to coach and anything more is a bonus.there wouldnt be any use for a gm if the coach did everything. fisher gets credit for being tough but bud adams slapped that azz when he wanted to see vince young play. owners hire the gm and the gm hires the coach. understanding all that why would any coach have complete say over anything? u know it really aint worth arguin with people over that j.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I bet you in Al’s mind, Gruden and Gannon cost him another SB win which is why they are not allowed in the building.
LMFAO!
January 21st, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Wassup Armond …
January 21st, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Even with an OC, if there are not MAJOR upgrades on the Oline, the RBs won’t be much better.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Anything POSITIVE or GOOD happen yet with the Raiders today??
Has the dumb old man offered Harbaugh at least a 4 year contract worth 16.5 million total guaranteed?
If the idiotic old man can waste money on guys like Juggs Russell and DHB, then I’m sure he has the nuts to give a REAL coach like Harbaugh 16.5 million over 4 years right?
Nah…the old man Al doesn’t know what the heck he is doing.
Hire Harbaugh as Head Coach and the he can hire Hue Jackson as his offensive coordinator and keep Hackett as QB coach.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:49 pm
oline no doubt has to be upgraded along with lb. alex mack wouldve solidified that entire left side this season. dhb wasnt a good pick considering we couldve had a future all pro C on the team. dezmon briscoe from kansas would be a guy to go after this year after the 1 rst rnd. the wiz nephew from penn st might be a good option this year.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Jhill
Tomlin drafted Rashard Mendenhall and thats why he started over Speedy Parker, he also drafted Wallace, besides, Tomlin is clearly in command you can notice it by the way he talks and says who is starting or not. Cable needed AL’s permission to bench Jawalrus. Ken Whisenhunt controls everything in Arizona you gotta agree some coaches have more leverage then others.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm
hopefully seymour can throw some salt in the game against the pats for us to get wilfork. wouldnt that be somethin to have seymour/wilfork and a 3rd/5th pick for burgess and a ‘11 1rst rnder? id do that every time.
January 21st, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Chucky!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
January 21st, 2010 at 8:58 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Al is not stupid enough to want Gruden back. He flamed in Tampa, and is overrated.
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Thats’ funny…because Gruden would turn this franchise around in a heart beat!
Without a doubt!
January 21st, 2010 at 9:04 pm
armond Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:19 pm
the argument to keep cable is weak. take russell out the mix and there hasnt been real progession by any of our young offensive guys.
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How’s about Schilens and Michael Bush.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:13 pm
evereraiderz Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Ricochet
your argument is very flawed, especially since we know for sure that Gruden would come
RICHOCHET: Actually, what is known is that Gruden answered yes when asked if he would ever coach the Raiders again. What he DIDN’T SAY was would he take that job without Al dumping that List of 10. I say no. My money says no.
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and that we had Sean Payton hired before JJ intervened.
RICHOCHET: While Gruden is a, IMO, quality coach, Payton was an assistant.
Do you understand what I mean when I’m saying the Raiders won’t get a quality head coach? I don’t mean they can’t hire someone who turns INTO a quality head coach..I’m saying what others are saying, that an ESTABLISHED, QUALITY HEAD COACH would find no desire, or need to compromise so many things in order to come to coach the Raiders? OF COURSE any team can hire an assistant, and find gold when they turn out to be a star coach..not saying that. I’m saying that ONCE YOU MAKE YOUR BONES (means once you’ve established yourself, obviously) that you now are in a position to be a little more selective. Yes, Payton turned out to be a quality head coach..BUT..then he was an asst.
BTW..that assistant? TURNED DOWN THE JOB..because of a 500K raise. What does that tell you?
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I mean we could hire any number of guys, but that doesn’t make them a good choice. How many guys do u think would have taken the Indy job, but for continuity sake they kept a GOOD coach that happened to be an assistant and promoted him. You probably thought Caldwell was a bad hire. How many in here thought Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh was a good hire or Mike Smith in Atl? Who knew how good Sporano was before Parcells hired him in Miami?
RICHOCHET: again, the point wasn’t “you can’t hire an asst and him turn out great”. Apparently you think that’s what I meant.
Not at all.
if you go all the way up the thread, you’ll see the whole context. Seymour the Flea just cut and paste one paragraph out of the whole thing.
In other words, he has no excuse for looking stupid..he screams stupid, lol..big time.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RICHOCHET: While Gruden is a, IMO, quality coach, Payton was an assistant.
Do you understand what I mean when I’m saying the Raiders won’t get a quality head coach? I don’t mean they can’t hire someone who turns INTO a quality head coach..I’m saying what others are saying, that an ESTABLISHED, QUALITY HEAD COACH would find no desire, or need to compromise so many things in order to come to coach the Raiders?
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What the hell is wrong with this guy? Why is he sooooooo freaking dense? We understand the redundant obvious irrelevant posts. That’s what you do. What you don’t seem to grasp is what were the combined records of the Head Coaches that are coaching in the AFC Championship Game coming into this season? I will answer that for you 0-0. You know what that means? You don’t need an established Head Coach to win in this league. So your argument is irrelevant.
January 21st, 2010 at 9:42 pm
# jhill Says:
January 21st, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Al is the GM!
RICHOCHET: Exactly. The biggest faux paus.
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Did Carroll and Shanny Rat get to pick their whole staff? No hangovers? How about Buffalo?
Richochet: Don’t know about Carroll..but you can bet Shanahan has full control over who’s on his staff. You can also bet that Shanahan, and most likely every HC in the league, (except the Raiders) has the authority to terminate an asst, if need be. How could they not?
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Well outside of DHB and Mike Mitchell, Russell, Gallery, Huff, and DMAC were not bad picks at the time they were made. Easy to go Monday morning QB on us.
RICHOCHET: Outside of? lol..Two picks just this last year that made no sense to anyone. Russell, Huff, and DMAC? Huff and DMAC were way down the list of priority needs at the time, and both are suspect. Russell was that “deep threat” Al can’t resist. Obviously that could have gone either way. obviously it didn’t work out.
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You mean like The Titans owner told Fisher to play Vince Young? (side note: can’t believe he made the Pro Bowl!).
RICHOCHET: I’m sorry..but which of the ten does that directly apply to? None.
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Only person I’ve heard say that is Sapp. No argument that Ryan was a puppet. Marshall sure seems to be mixing it up though.
RICHOCHET: The list is long on explayers that have no shortage of things to say about Al butting in..from Romo to Collins to Rice to Sapp. How many do you need?
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Or it just goes back to he needs to fork over the cash and hire a better coach. Kiffin and Cable picked those players!
RICHOCHET: Picked what players? Where did you ever see that? For that matter Kiffin didn’t want Russell. Obviously as HC he had no say in it.
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The rest sound like personal issues you have against the owner or are lumped in to the whole Kiffin thing. Kiffin shouldn’t have acted like a spoiled brat. So Al told him NO you can’t bring your daddy here. Play out the year and hire someone else when Ryan’s contract is up instead quitting and trying to get fired.
RICHOCHET: lol..that’s not how it happened, and you know it. Al pulled his ‘YOU DON’T FIRE ANYONE. NO ONE FIRES ANYONE AROUND HERE BUT ME.”..THAT’S when Kiffin said if I can’t control my staff, fire me. Al didn’t. Al dared him to “quit if you want”..knowing he wouldn’t have to pay him. Kiffin didn’t take the bait. Kiffin went public with his displeasure in Al’s offseason total chaos fiasco, starting with Walker. Comments from Kiffin about Al butting in prompted Al to threaten Kiffin for going public with what was going on (Ironic that Al did the exact same thing..no?) INCLUDING Al getting together with Ryan to game plan the defense, ignoring Kiffin. Al sends a warning letter. Then Kiffin suspends Randy Hanson, where Al promptly OVERRULES KIFFIN.
You’re welcome to state exactly which of the 10 is wrong.
So far you haven’t.