Raiders predictably vague on Cable
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, January 23rd, 2010 at 7:48 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders response to ESPN’s story claiming Tom Cable will be the coach in 2010?
We won’t say he’s staying, but we never said he was going.
The Raiders stand for a lot of things _ silver and black, pride and poise, commitment to excellence, great tailgates . . . but straight talk has never been one of them.
Let’s assume for a minute ESPN’s Adam Schefter (the false rumor mongerer) is right, just as he was as a member of the NFL Network claiming Art Shell would be fired (met initially by a Raiders denial).
This time, we’re talking about a coach the Raiders ostensibly want to keep.
Someone that, you know, they might want to get behind and support _ as they did Rob Ryan when reports surfaced about his imminent firing at the request of Lane Kiffin. (Kiffin was overruled by you-know-who).
Instead, more jabs and feints than Sugar Ray Leonard the first seven rounds against Marvin Hagler.
Cable’s not talking on the record. His agent, Don Yee, declined comment. A few players, eager to hear of Cable’s fate, aren’t returning phone calls.
Cable is expecting to attend the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., as the Raiders head coach, evaluating talent for next season.
For what it’s worth, here is the Raiders statement issued by senior executive John Herrera:
“We’ve never made any statements that the head coach would not be back. That has been media speculation from the beginning. We’ve consistently stated that we’re going through an evaluation process to determine the direction that the organization needs to go. The process is ongoing, and it has not reached a conclusion.”
Thanks for clearing that up.
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January 23rd, 2010 at 7:49 pm
This Cable stay crap is depressing.
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Depressing for you 504,..try prozac,..I love that hes staying.
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Jerry, how about just stop hounding them for answers, comcast setting up a tent in tha parking lot was really stupid,…Cable is under contract, the team doesnt have any statement to release, unless theres a firing.
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Cable will get to the Senior Bowl in a rental lookin for them Escalades. Hope we don’t pick a Ferrari with a bad paint job. Fast but can’t catch the eye.
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Norco you must love losing and writing about it. You next in line after Jerry?
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Im not losing.
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Lets go Warriors!
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:01 pm
# djohnnyg Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 7:46 pm
I wish the Raiders would move back to LA. At least they might get some support, and Al would make more money that he could spend on the team.
All LA has to do is guarantee to build a new stadium or upgrade the Coliseum and Al could do it.
The Los Angeles Raiders were a good team when they were there. Won a Super Bowl and made it to the AFC Championship one year and the fans in LA were hardcore and really embraced the team.
Why does the 2nd largest city in the country without a a pro football team when they used to have two of them?
I have good memories of the LA Raiders. It has a bad azz ring to it and they didn’t suck, and weren’t a laughingstock.
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Shut the fuk up about LA. Not going to happen. That isnt the Raiders home and the LA crowd was weak and fake. Eric Dickerson played for Rams and Raiders and said LA doesnt deserve a team
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:02 pm
All you LA fuks prepare for the Chargers or Niners to play in Ed Roski’s stadium. Raiders are staying in Oakland and will have a football only stadium in about 3 years cuz the A’s are moving to downtown Oakland.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Ya brian, …that johhnyg loser,..he needs to realize he aint getting them back, and I doubt any new team there for decades, if ever, likely never. lol
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Brian,..you know who emailed me that they were never leaving oakland, and to wait another year or so for big announcement.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Its depressing that the ZBS is still here
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Bob i know who. These LA people need to shut up for real. They have no clue how disrespectful they are. Did you hear the idiot lying about the greatness in LA? LA fans hardcore? lol
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Johnnyg is typical L.A.,..a biitch.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:13 pm
exactly and they make me sick……worse thing Al did was go there
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
I went to some games in LA. It was pretty lame as far as fans/enthusiasm. Still fun though.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Iv been to games down there,..place was always half empty, unless huge game.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
The oakland raiders belong in oakland, and will remain in oakland, forever.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
One of Cable’s biggest faults that he gets knocked on in here(aside from playcalling) is that he is loyal to a fault with some players.There could be worse sins. Maybe he stuck with Kwame Harris too long. The guy was a first round pick out of Stanford, supposedly very bright. Cable was trying to get something out of the guy. It didn’t work. I don’t have as big a problem as most on here with his use of Fargas. Everybody seems to hate huggy bear. I watched a little of the thanksgiving day game earlier. I was bored. We were at family thing didn’t get to watch the game as closely as I would like. Knew they lost, so I never watched the recording. You know Fargas had 49 yards on his first four carries vs. Dallas. The guy runs hard. The Hiram Eugene thing I don’t get. Guy shouldn’t see the filed except because of injury. I’m Glad they kept Cable.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I was there in the 93 wild card when we put a beatdown on the Broncos. Nap McCallum had 3 TD’s.
That was very cool.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm
# oo00tt00oo Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:11 pm
i dont care what blocking system we run but we cant change it every two years…none of the parts fit together and have to start all over…same with the rest of the team for that matter…its all just a mish-mash of bodies…no organizational plan
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Once you start getting continuity in the coaching staff you begin to develop an organizational plan.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:24 pm
I do have to agree with the belief that the Raiders are just messing with the media on this one. I do hope that Cable stays so that we have some continuity. As Seymour Bush, a fine goal to have, says you cannot keep changing the system every two years.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Sweep The Leg. Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
I was there in the 93 wild card when we put a beatdown on the Broncos. Nap McCallum had 3 TD’s.
That was very cool.
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Fargas has 10 rushing touchdowns in 7 years.
That is very loyal.
I prefer cool.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
al’s machinations to keep the raider name in the news. perhaps lame, but quite effective.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 pm
I was at a Raiders game in Cincy, in the early 90’s. Long necked Harvey Williams, I always thought he looked like one of those Bud Bowl bottles, ran through the snowflakes and the Bengals defense for about 140 yards. The Raiders kicked their Azzes. I remember Big Daddy Dan Wilkenson drove ol Hoss into that frozen Astroturf in the endzone, right in front of me. Thought he killed him. Hostetler got up and shook it off like nothing happened. Ol Hoss was one tough SOB. Art Shell had some pretty good teams in LA back then. I always thought if one of two things had happened, either Bo didn’t get hurt, or the Raiders had pryed Hoss away from NYG a couple of years earlier, with Bo, Marcus,and a young Tim Brown, Al might have another trophy or two in the case. We’ll never know.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:30 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
One of Cable’s biggest faults that he gets knocked on in here(aside from playcalling) is that he is loyal to a fault with some players.There could be worse sins.
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I completely agree with your post Buckeyeraider. The problem was not the playcalling, the problem was the execution of those plays but most “fans” don’t realize that.
With regards to Cable being seemingly too loyal, I don’t agree with that. I think the reason they left Kwame in there was NO ONE on the coaching staff thought Henderson would play as well as he has, but the first few games he started had a lot of help on his side of the field.
One thing Cable does favor is high motor high effort guys like Fargas. Don’t kid yourself, the coaching staff does have a lot of input into the draft, and look at some of the guys in the last drafts: Trev Scott, Matt Shaughnessy, Murphy, Norris, these are ALL high motor guys. Something we deseperately need around here.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 pm
Jerry,
Why do you sound so bitter when you predicted in earlier posts that the Raiders will say exactly this below….
“We’ve never made any statements that the head coach would not be back. That has been media speculation from the beginning.”
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Bri3n
EastBaySick aka Rap Is A Joke was crazy last night. They had that whole place jumping. There was a stripper pole on the stage and women were lining up to work that thing while they were performing.
Also I am happy to say that, as I drove out of Livermore, I did not see one cop.
They will be having another gig soon, I will give you a heads up.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Whoah, Aig. There are some people here who think I am you. Interesting to see that you actually exist, other than in their deranged minds.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
Philly fans aint too bad. They have passion just like Raider fans and both get a bad rap from the media. That Santa Claus shyt was in the ’60s. 40 friggen years ago.
I remember when the donks fans hit Atwater with a battery, nobody rips on them.
I’d like to see Cable with a real QB, McNabb in Silver and Black.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:42 pm
My 2010 Mock Draft
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1 LB ALA. Rolando McClain
2 OG IDAHO Mike Iupati
3 RB STAN. Toby Gerhart
3 DT CAL. Tyson Alualu
4 LB KEN. Micah Johnson
5 WR/KR CINCI. Mardy Gilyard
5 OG Tex.T. Brandon Carter
7 C N.D. Eric Olsen
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*Logan Mankins was picked up in free agency. (OL)
*Marcus McNeill was picked up in free agency. (OL)
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*Free Agent
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
I completely agree with your post Buckeyeraider. The problem was not the playcalling, the problem was the execution of those plays but most “fans” don’t realize that.
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That’s like saying a QB sneak on 3rd and 27 is a good call if the team executes the play for a first down.
The majority of DMACs touches were between the tackles runs. Right up the middle. As soon as the running game got established, it was abandoned, especially if Bush was on a roll. No creativity. The first half of the season was — 1st down Fargas straight ahead into Gallery. 2nd down Fargas for no gain. 3rd down incomplete pass over Miller’s head.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:44 pm
The Return of Godliness Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Its depressing that the ZBS is still here
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Theres bothing wrong with the zbs, its just we don’t have the talent right now. Many teams use the zbs and are successful with it, and have even wons sbs with it. Hell under two years with kiffin we were top 5 in rushing with the zbs but we lost players to injury and free agency. Half the players on our line this year were backups ups or lineman new to the zbs. I think the line will be adressed during the offseason coach cable talked about how getting better in the trenches among both lines was a big deal towards the end of the year, along with new staff. We have new staff like he mentioned nows the time to add the talent. And we know cable will have an O-coordinator this year so he’ll be able to spend more time with the line this year, so I think the line and zbs will be fine tuned next season.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:53 pm
The Return of Godliness Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm
Its depressing that the ZBS is still here
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Watching the Jets o-line man-handle the chargers last week reminded me that
Its depressing that the ZBS is still here
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
If Cable was smart, he should have moved Kwame Harris to RG, Kwame Harris is above average run blocker, he also has similar body to Gallery, I remember watching him open lanes for Gore the year Gore had over 1600 with Norv Turner as their OC. I would have definitely used him as a RG. Who knows maybe he could have become like Gallery. Can you guys imagine if that happened?
LT Henderson LG Gallery C Satele RG Harris RT who cares Cornhead is pure garbage.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 pm
For those of you around when John Madden was named coach, do you remember the crap he and al took from the press, it was far more crying than you guys are doing now, and look at the Madden outcome…….
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 pm
I also dont like Satele as our center. He is slow minded and makes too many mistakes, I would love if AL signs Leckey from the Saints, he is smart and protects Brees.
Btw, I am picking Colts to win and covering the Spread 7.5
Saints will win and cover it too
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 pm
And Hererra would me right Mr. McDonald. Cable was always under contract and the ONLY speculation came from people like you! It may have happened but it was still ALL speculation from media types like you
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:56 pm
I also dont like Satele as our center. He is slow minded and makes too many mistakes, I would love if AL signs Leckey from the Saints, he is smart and protects Brees.
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Agreed. Is Leckey a FA? Should be fun to watch him go against the Williams’ Sunday
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 pm
I’m drinkin’ and whoring it up tonight. I’ll check back in later to see what really is going on!
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:04 pm
I don’t think Leckey is a FA.
That’s why I have Eric Olsen going in the 7th RD!
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Stabler76
Yes he is, he is also only 27 yrs so we can lock him if AL is willing to spend the money. He would be a great fit in this team since we haven’t had a decent Center ever since Robbins went bananas
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 pm
My 2010 Mock Draft
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1. LB ALA. Rolando McClain
2. OG IDAHO Mike Iupati
3. RB STAN. Toby Gerhart
3. DT CAL. Tyson Alualu
4. LB KEN. Micah Johnson
5. WR/KR CINCI. Mardy Gilyard
5. OG Tex.T. Brandon Carter
7. C N.D. Eric Olsen
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*Logan Mankins was picked up in free agency. (OL)
*Marcus McNeill was picked up in free agency. (OL)
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*Free Agent
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Oh – and to all you dummies with your ‘mock’ drafts, STOP IT!
It’s Jan., youtube clips don’t qualify for game film, you are not an expert, your biased “I want this guy, I dont like this guy” garbage is lame, and no one wants to see a multiple round mock when combine, post-season games, personal work-outs and many other activities that REAL scouts attend have not even started.
Hey Jerry, how dumb are these dopes that bother conjuring up mock drafts in Jan., and have no idea of what it takes to scout, evaluate or go through the process…
Buffoonery!
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
For those blaming Cable and the ZBS for lack of production, just how much do you know about the ZBS anyway? I knew only the basics, so I looked up info online and found this great breakdown: http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/3/31/815874/zone-blocking-tutorial-inside-zone
One thing that it calls out is that the ZBS requires a certain type of RB. Fact is, none of the 3 Raiders RBs are a great fit, but Fargas is probably the best. That would explain why Cable uses him as the starter. That, and he’s also the best pass blocker. They key is that the RB must be decisive, make one quick read, and then plow towards that decision whether the hole is there at the time they commit or not. DMac lacks the cutback ability and Bush so far is too hesitant and won’t commit himself into traffic.
NFL teams that exclusively run the ZBS are Oakland, Washington, Green Bay, Carolina and Houston. How did some of the non-Raiders offenses with the ZBS do?
Houston: #6 passing, #30 rushing, #6 overall
Green Bay: #5 passing, #11 rushing, #9 overall
Carolina: #2 rushing, #17t rushing, #18 overall
Washington: #12 passing, #29 rushing, #19 overall
* all ranks based on average per play, not total yards, to give a better feel for effectiveness of system
Looking at the system overall, that’s pretty much overall success. And all of those teams have RBs that are a better match for the system — not too mention better QBs to keep 9 out of the box.
BTW — the much maligned Raiders rushing game was #19 overall in yards per attempt, which is just under average. Not bad for a team that had a so-called horrible run blocking scheme, no passing threat for more than half the season, horrendous play calling and an offensive line that most here think needs at least 2 if not 3 of the players replaced.
Maybe, just maybe, the ZBS is the only reason that they were as successful as they were.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 pm
According to Jason La Canfora, Nick Leckey is free agent.
NancyGayFan
I can tell you I am not an expert but I do watch college football. McClain is good but I would take B. Spikes over him just cause of his leadership and him not having Cody to open up the lanes for him like McClain does.
I would like Cody cause players like him are rare to find unless we got after Wilfork or Hampton in free agency.
There are others I like but I dont think we would go after like Dez Bryant, Clausen, Seller. We no longer need skill players cause we are invested in bums like JR, DMAc and DHB.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Yes he is, he is also only 27 yrs so we can lock him if AL is willing to spend the money. He would be a great fit in this team since we haven’t had a decent Center ever since Robbins went bananas
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That would be cool, big strong centers are a Raiders tradition. I used to love watching Robbins shove 5 or 6 guys (defenders and Raiders)at a time to make a hole for Garner or Crockett.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 pm
How did some of the non-Raiders offenses with the ZBS do?
Houston: #6 passing, #30 rushing, #6 overall
Green Bay: #5 passing, #11 rushing, #9 overall
Carolina: #2 rushing, #17t rushing, #18 overall
Washington: #12 passing, #29 rushing, #19 overall
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None of those teams are on TV tomorrow
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Zymurge
Shanahan can make any RB gr8 under the ZBS remember Mike Anderson, Portis, Rueben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Mike Bell and others i am forgetting.
My point, its not the system is the kind of coach who implements it. Give Shanahan a bum from the streets he will make him a good runner cause he knows the system. Cable barely knows anything. Ask Warren Sapp
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 pm
# Stabler76 Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:43 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
I completely agree with your post Buckeyeraider. The problem was not the playcalling, the problem was the execution of those plays but most “fans” don’t realize that.
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That’s like saying a QB sneak on 3rd and 27 is a good call if the team executes the play for a first down.
The majority of DMACs touches were between the tackles runs. Right up the middle. As soon as the running game got established, it was abandoned, especially if Bush was on a roll. No creativity. The first half of the season was — 1st down Fargas straight ahead into Gallery. 2nd down Fargas for no gain. 3rd down incomplete pass over Miller’s head.
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Well, I don’t agree with your assesment, and as a running back you better figure out how to run between the tackles or you are just a gimmick back. Even small guys like Sproales and Westbrook gain most of their yardage between the tackles. McFaddden has never shown the ability to do that. If your run plays gain little on lst, get little on 2nd, and put you in continual 3rd and long, you’re not going to win many games. Lots of teams can run the ball and get into 3rd and short or 3rd and manageable situations. The Raiders couldn’t.
The passing game was a disaster til DHB and Russell were benched, and the offensive line suffered all season long. The Raiders were going to begin the season with two new starters on the Oline, and once Gallery went out in preseason, that made it three. There was no time to develop any type of offensive line continuity. Once Schilens went out in the preseason, that offense was in serious trouble.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Just went and saw that Book of Eli flick.
Pretty good..a lot of depth to it.
I looked around and saw teenage girls texting and a bunch of young kids, which I don’t think the movie was intended for. Probably went right over their heads.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
The Jets run a ZBS system.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 pm
My 2010 Mock Draft
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1. LB ALA. Rolando McClain
2. OG IDAHO Mike Iupati
3. RB STAN. Toby Gerhart
3. DT CAL. Tyson Alualu
4. LB KEN. Micah Johnson
5. WR/KR CINCI. Mardy Gilyard
5. OG Tex.T. Brandon Carter
7. C N.D. Eric Olsen
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*Logan Mankins (OL)
*Marcus McNeill (OL)
*Jahri Evans (OL)
*Nick Leckey
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*Free Agent
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
The Jets run a ZBS system.
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Watching the Jets o-line man-handle the chargers last week reminded me that
Its depressing that the Raiders ZBS is still here
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
The worst passing offenses in the NFL last year: Raiders, Browns, Jets, Bills, Rams. Jets are the only exception.
The worst rushing offenses: Colts, Chargers, Texans, Cardinals.
We need a QB and a passing offense. Jets and Ravens are the exception not the rule.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:32 pm
4eva — Shanahan did not take bums from the street and make them stars. It just seemed like it because he took players other teams didn’t rate highly because they didn’t have great power or speed. But they did all have the right kind of talent for his system and he had the eye to spot the guys that did. They had one cut and go ability, a head for the game, and a willingness to trust and commit to his system.
One key theory of the ZBS is that it allows you to get quality play out of lesser in demand players at OL and RB. In a cap dictated game, it’s a smart concession to make. If you can get 5 OL starters for an average $1M less cap hit per game and the same for your RB, then that extra $6M can be applied to another position where you need more of a pure talent to succeed, like QB, DE, CB, etc.
While I agree that none of the primarily ZBS teams are in conf finals tomorrow, it should be noted that it takes more than a blocking scheme to go deep in the playoffs. Of all those teams, only one had a top 10 defense, Green Bay. And that same defense lost the playoff game for them by giving up 51 points in a game where their ZBS based offense scored them 45 — plenty enough to win most games.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Damien Woody – “Earlier in the year, we had implemented the zone blocking scheme. It wasn’t really successful early on and that’s because the scheme takes time to really get cranking. Now that we’ve got it cranking, it’s a thing of beauty. Once you see the line doing the same thing, the running backs and everyone in the same motion it’s almost like it doesn’t matter what they throw at us.”
This is a quote from the Jets starting right tackle in Dec of 09. Two things about this: the Jets returned all five offensive line starters last year for the lst time since 2001 which is what my post in #50 is about. 2ndly, when guys execute, it makes the play calling look much much better like I said.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Er, meant to say:
“… If you can get 5 OL starters for an average $1M less cap hit per *player* …”
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 pm
When your defense gives up 10 points a game, it makes your offense a lot better.
Let’s not forgot the Jets went 3 and out the first 3 times they had the ball last week and had zero points in the first half, and only a couple of first downs.
The Raiders do that, and we are losing 17-0, at least. The Jets D allows the offense to be patient with the run, and play the field position game.
Without that D, that offense is a train-wreck, O-line and all.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Fire Cable!!
Hire Hue Jackson as HC!
No more ZBS!!
No More Basic Cable!! I want an upgrade.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Bill Callahan is looking more & more like a prophet,,,”dumbest team in America”
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Draft:
1- DE D Morgan ( Move Seymour Inside)
2- DT T Cody or Jared Odrick, or OT Trent Williams
3- OT Sam Young
3- ILB Micah Johnson
4- OG
I don’t think Al will pay a LB that much money, so I think it’s DE D Morgan or Bruce Campbell. Both are athletes with good 40 times.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
# vegas raider Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
The worst passing offenses in the NFL last year: Raiders, Browns, Jets, Bills, Rams. Jets are the only exception.
The worst rushing offenses: Colts, Chargers, Texans, Cardinals.
We need a QB and a passing offense. Jets and Ravens are the exception not the rule.
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I think among the top passing offenses was Houston and they are not in the playoff picture. One thing that is undeniable this year, last year, and the last 50 years is most of the teams in the hunt at the end are either the top or among the top defensive teams in the league. We are not in that picture.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Raider O, what you think of my mock draft?
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
the Jets returned all five offensive line starters last year for the lst time since 2001 which is what my post in #50 is about. 2ndly, when guys execute, it makes the play calling look much much better like I said.
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Good explanation.
But why is it being employed here where there has been a great deal of personel turn over on the o-line?
Regardless of scheme, I am just sick of cream puffs on the Raiders o-line and all the excuses for them.
Call the Jets a ZBS if you want, but the o-line I saw last week push the chargers around was a far cry from Shannahans ZBS with small quick linemen. Both were successful, but very different. Label them ZBS or whatever.
I am sick of o-linemen that cant block and protect the QB and sick of running backs that can’t score touchdowns. If Cable could field a line like I saw beat the chargers last week, I would love him and ZBS, no matter how Wikipedia defines ZBS.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Or he will daft The Florida CB or DE Carlos Dunlap.
We all know how much Al loves athletes. Especially the ones that win championships.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Hey Raider O
Legalize it!
But Give the Cable guy at least one more year.
Goodnight Nation.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
Buckeye,
I’m with you on that one. Legalize it.
Have a great night.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 pm
On my board it would be
1) Okung OT or McClain ILB
2) Asamoah OG or Pouncey OG
3) Bowman OLB or Tate WR
A couple of intriguing propsects are Toby Gerhardt in the 3rd and Dan Williams NT if you trade down a few spots in the lst round if both Okung and McClain are gone by the time you go to pick, which is a very distinct possibility.
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
R8,
-Tyson played DE at Cals 3-4, and he is 290. I’ll pass on him
- 2nd is too hog for an OG when there will be a guy like Cody, Williams, or Odrick available. IMHO
- why draft a RB that high?
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 pm
High*
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
If Cody is there….yes!
RB? Cause we’re parting ways with Fargas (the big three 0) and Toby will be a steal in the 3rd RD!
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Did a bit more research. The Jets are now in a full time ZBS. The Colts have been running some form for a few years and switched to primarly ZBS on their bread and butter stretch running plays.
So that guarantees that a ZBS based team will be in this year’s Super Bowl. I’m pretty sure that the scheme is not the problem.
As many here are saying, it takes time for the line to learn the system. And turnover on the line doesn’t help any. This is why I would leave Satele in place along with the left side. Carlisle can stay on and fight for a starting job, since he has more knowledge of the system than anyone else and can be a useful backup/mentor type.
But as I think about it more, and alluded to earlier, the Raiders really don’t have a good natural RB for the system with any of the three in the stable. If you could put Fargas’ head and heart into Bush’s body you’d have a great fit, but I don’t think that’s within Al’s powers.
So don’t be shocked if you see some nobody have a great camp and by midseason, you’re going to see a big uproar here about why he’s not getting more touches.
Heh, maybe we’ll see Rankin back. He actually looked pretty good in the system in two preseasons . . .
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
I’m from midwest NOT LA. You guys were there, I wasn’t. My point was Raiders were decent back then. I sense a disdain of LA from N. Cali folks. I get it. When I was in LA for work, I was in a bar at Venice Beach and everybody was rooting for the Jets over San Diego. So I got that people from LA hate San Diego. Now I get that Oakland folks don’t like LA. Fair enough, but it doesn’t seem like Raiders are getting mass support when only 30,000 fans show up and games are constantly blacked out.
I find it strange that a large city like LA doesn’t have a team. Maybe people there just don’t give a sht about having a team in the NFL. Just seems strange. I did see a lot of Raider gear being worn down there.
Anyway, sorry I brought it up. My bad.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:05 pm
I never knew the story of the Raider center that went AWOL before the super bowl against Tampa and ended up in a drug rehab clinic in Tijuana. Man, those blows to the head’ll mess you up big time.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Good Night Nation!!
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm
R8,
I’m looking him up. I heard of him, but I don’t know much about him. I haven’t been looking at RBs.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Good night R8.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Djohnny — the issue with the low attendance and blackouts in Oakland are a direct result of growing fan frustration with Al’s machinations. It culminated this year with the forcing of JaMucus on the fans, when any football fan could see that he was the absolute weakest link on the team.
Maybe the LA fans are more forgiving than the very knowledgeable east bay fans in No Cal. Then again, LA has never had a great attendance track record either.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:18 pm
RB Ryan Mathews from Fresno is Avg 7.4 YPC. He is 5′11 220, and runs a 4.4.
He is projected as a 2nd day talent. 3-4 RDs.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 pm
This Ryan Matthews Kid could be a steal.
He had 76 carries for 480+ yards against Wisc, Cinci, and Boise.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
My take (admittedly as an “outsider”) while down there was the Raiders almost as kind of a cult thing or what not, like it was cool to be a fan of the ‘bad boys’ or something. Not sure if they even care whether they lose or win. I was under the impression Raiders did ok with attendance in LA, but I guess maybe not. Being a life long fan of the Raiders, and not living the animosity between the Califronia cities, I haven’ had the emotional investment either way.
I will say Raider fans, wherever they live, deserve better.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 pm
I would draft RB Ryan Matthews in the 4th, if he was available. Could be a solid RB to compete with Bush & DMC. He can also saves money after we cut Fargas.
1- DE D Morgan
2- DT T Cody or Jared Odrick
3- ILB Micah Johnson
3- OT Sam Young
4- RB Ryan Mathews
5- OG
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Save us*
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 pm
No running backs please, there are many available in Free agency.
1- Campbell
2- Arenas
3- D’Anthony Smith
3- Micah Johnson
4- Jay Ross
5- Mitch Petrus
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Kinda funny that on a previous post, a guy said (since I was from mid west) that I should “get the hell outta here”.
What do some people think ‘Raider NATION’ means anyway?
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Correction:
RB Ryan Matthews Avg 6.6 YPC and not 7.4.
January 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 pm
oh here again their positions
OL Campbell
CB Arenas
DT D’Anthony Smith
MLB Micah Johnson
NT Jay Ross
OG Mitch Ross
January 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 pm
The Return of Godliness Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:02 pm
All you LA fuks prepare for the Chargers or Niners to play in Ed Roski’s stadium. Raiders are staying in Oakland and will have a football only stadium in about 3 years cuz the A’s are moving to downtown Oakland.
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really….whos gonna pay for that….the leaugue will lend some funds to a new calif stadium…but how much you want to bet that goes to san jose and san diego before oak…
whos gonna talk davis out of claiming the rights to LA
for what its worth i lived in LA when the raiders were there…and i live in No Cal now that the raiders are in oak….both cities had about 45,000 good hard core fans…and both cities had about 15,000 solid fans that show up when they win……the difference is those 60,000 fans fill up the oak stadium and its a pretty cool atmosphere….60k fans in LA the stadium was still half empty and sounded hollow…..the other difference is when the raiders won in LA and the stadium did fill up the remaining fans didnt give a damn what happened on the field…they arrived late, left early, did the wave and played with beach balls…..it was totally annoying to watch
i go to one game a year…ill continue to go to one game a year if they are in oak or LA….but at least if they are in LA i wont get blacked out anymore
January 24th, 2010 at 12:00 am
The Raiders keep Cable’s status close to the vest. People wonder if the Raiders are playing the media. Raiders repeatedly insinuate that everything is fine with Cable and that he will be back. Suddenly, ESPN reports that Cable is staying. Now the Raiders are denying THAT report, which insinuates he might be gone. Who’s playing who?
January 24th, 2010 at 12:12 am
i dont think the statements are necessarily saying two different things…
Cable will fulfill the final year of his contract with the Raiders, the source said.
Raiders spokesman John Herrera did not confirm that Cable would remain coach for the 2010 season, saying only that, despite meetings into the night the past two days, no decision has been reached.
raiders get new coach and cable stays on to play the role of “Driving Mr Davis”
January 24th, 2010 at 12:51 am
[...] damn press release was incredibly vague IMHO Raiders predictably vague on Cable – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the hig… [...]
January 24th, 2010 at 1:17 am
First thing Davis has done that made sense in a long time. Hope is eternal.
January 24th, 2010 at 1:22 am
Ryan Matthews will be gone by the start of round 3, he will be a second rounder
January 24th, 2010 at 1:25 am
On my board it would be
1) Okung OT or McClain ILB
2) Asamoah OG or Pouncey OG
3) Bowman OLB or Tate WR
A couple of intriguing propsects are Toby Gerhardt in the 3rd and Dan Williams NT if you trade down a few spots in the lst round if both Okung and McClain are gone by the time you go to pick, which is a very distinct possibility.
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We have two 3rd rounders this year, we dont need to trade down to get an extra 3rd
January 24th, 2010 at 1:30 am
r8eray Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 pm
My 2010 Mock Draft
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1. LB ALA. Rolando McClain
2. OG IDAHO Mike Iupati
3. RB STAN. Toby Gerhart
3. DT CAL. Tyson Alualu
4. LB KEN. Micah Johnson
5. WR/KR CINCI. Mardy Gilyard
5. OG Tex.T. Brandon Carter
7. C N.D. Eric Olsen
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WR Gilyard is a 2nd round prospect, and Iupati could be gone in round 1, it would be nice to get Iupati in the 2nd thought.
The pick in round 1 should be McClain or OT (Trent Williams or Anthony Davis, both can replace Cornell Green in Day 1 at RT)
January 24th, 2010 at 1:32 am
OL, LB and CB are the Top-needs this offseason in my opinion, in that order
January 24th, 2010 at 1:53 am
1. OT Anthony Davis (Rutgers)
2. CB Donovan Warren (Michigan)
3. ILB Micah Johnson (Kentucky)
3. CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (Indiana)
4. FB Rashawn Jackson (Virginia)
5. OT Rodger Saffold (Indiana)
5. RB/WR/KR Dexter McCluster (Ole Miss)
7. WR Marcus Easley (Connecticut)
January 24th, 2010 at 2:55 am
Okung will be a top 5, OL Campbell is the fastest muscle on top of muscle LT u will see this year. Reminds alot abt jets LT Ferguson. If he fits ZBS that requires athletic OL, he can run a 4.6 I just can’t see AL passing on him. Everyone keeps saying B Spikes will be first rounder keep in mind this guy has bad sheet n been suspend in Florida if he drops AL will take him. D’Anthony Smith is the Fastest DT in this draft runs a 4.8 n AL will take him, along with Arenas the CB if he falls to us in pick 3 a. A sure 4th rounder NT Jay n 5th will be OG Mitch from Arkansas who blocked for DMAC
January 24th, 2010 at 3:02 am
Power Stretch…they would stretch like they do in ZB but block assignments and levels of the “D” instead of zones. The cut back lanes will remain but they will happen latter on down the field giving the RB 3-4 yard to decide…..yeah.
January 24th, 2010 at 3:47 am
Keeping Tom Cable as BMOC makes sense financially.
If the NFL shuts down for a year with the agreement squabbles, then the Raiders don’t have to pay for a coach during that time.
Players won’t get paid, but they still have to pay the coaching staff, during a lockout.
So if they don’t have a coach on the books, even better.
Hey guys, love all the mock drafts everyone is starting to pump out.
But 7 rounds? C’mon, don’t waste your time burning brain cells that far into the draft. Most of those players won’t be in the league this time next year.
” I really think Ryan Hoag can help us this year…”
If someone past the third round pans out, consider it an early Christmas present.
If you wanna guess who Al might take in the later rounds, just read the 40 times after the combine.
January 24th, 2010 at 3:59 am
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January 24th, 2010 at 4:33 am
Does anyone think that finally big Al has found someone in Cable that he will actually trust to make decisions ??? He did allow Cable to bench Russell, so maybe there is alittle hope the Al will allow Cable to shape this time and have more influence on players then past coaches.
January 24th, 2010 at 5:25 am
Great so Al trust an awful head coach who hasn’t won anywhere, I always wondered who Al would hire that would be worse than Norv Turner and 2 HC in a row Lane Kiffin,Tom Cable wow what amazing HC. Can’t wait to see Fargas 2010 maybe 3 1yrd TD and 500 rush look out league .
January 24th, 2010 at 6:26 am
Morning Nation!!!!
January 24th, 2010 at 6:27 am
Thank You Zymurge
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Zymurge Says:
January 23rd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
For those blaming Cable and the ZBS for lack of production, just how much do you know about the ZBS anyway? I knew only the basics, so I looked up info online and found this great breakdown: http://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/3/31/815874/zone-blocking-tutorial-inside-zone
One thing that it calls out is that the ZBS requires a certain type of RB. Fact is, none of the 3 Raiders RBs are a great fit, but Fargas is probably the best. That would explain why Cable uses him as the starter. That, and he’s also the best pass blocker. They key is that the RB must be decisive, make one quick read, and then plow towards that decision whether the hole is there at the time they commit or not. DMac lacks the cutback ability and Bush so far is too hesitant and won’t commit himself into traffic.
NFL teams that exclusively run the ZBS are Oakland, Washington, Green Bay, Carolina and Houston. How did some of the non-Raiders offenses with the ZBS do?
Houston: #6 passing, #30 rushing, #6 overall
Green Bay: #5 passing, #11 rushing, #9 overall
Carolina: #2 rushing, #17t rushing, #18 overall
Washington: #12 passing, #29 rushing, #19 overall
* all ranks based on average per play, not total yards, to give a better feel for effectiveness of system
Looking at the system overall, that’s pretty much overall success. And all of those teams have RBs that are a better match for the system — not too mention better QBs to keep 9 out of the box.
BTW — the much maligned Raiders rushing game was #19 overall in yards per attempt, which is just under average. Not bad for a team that had a so-called horrible run blocking scheme, no passing threat for more than half the season, horrendous play calling and an offensive line that most here think needs at least 2 if not 3 of the players replaced.
Maybe, just maybe, the ZBS is the only reason that they were as successful as they were.
January 24th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Hope springs eternal. I have a small amount of hope for next season. Al made a good choice in bringing back Cable. If he get’s an OC that knows how to use the running backs and Gallery coming back full strength will help a lot. Of course all this is moot if Al forces Jafukus on them because all that MF does is fuk us up. Lost cause he is. Oh and if he let’s Marshall blitz more, I think the defense can get excited.
January 24th, 2010 at 7:09 am
As much as I’ve grown tired of this circus at the end of every season, I will have to say that the Raiders are in the right with that statement. It has all been media speculation. They never said they were dumping him to begin with. Cable’s under contract if you’re a true fan you’d know Al isn’t going to pay a coach for not coaching. Unless he’s been crossed and as far as I can tell with Cable thats never happened.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:05 am
I think Jerry should ban fans from yappin about the draft until we at least get to February…say after the combine? But whatever, Iv seen some of you weirdos post about this coming draft, about 3 days after the previous draft,…I wouldnt be surprised if you guys whack off thinking about Mel Kiper Jr.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:06 am
bawhahahahaha
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=2&thread=1584335&page=1&pc=4
January 24th, 2010 at 8:07 am
I’m a weird-ooo…..why the hell I am still here….I don’t belong here
January 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406.html
11 Minutes Of Action
Football fans everywhere are preparing to settle in for the NFL’s biggest and most electric weekend of the season—a four-game playoff marathon that will swallow up at least 12 hours of broadcast time over two days.
But here’s something even dedicated students of the game may not fully appreciate: There’s very little actual football in a football game.
According to a Wall Street Journal study of four recent broadcasts, and similar estimates by researchers, the average amount of time the ball is in play on the field during an NFL game is about 11 minutes.
In other words, if you tally up everything that happens between the time the ball is snapped and the play is whistled dead by the officials, there’s barely enough time to prepare a hard-boiled egg. In fact, the average telecast devotes 56% more time to showing replays.
So what do the networks do with the other 174 minutes in a typical broadcast? Not surprisingly, commercials take up about an hour. As many as 75 minutes, or about 60% of the total air time, excluding commercials, is spent on shots of players huddling,
January 24th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Hi Vegas,..hey Mr High Roller, you got your bread on the Jets and the money line?…goin 4 team parlay with a couple overs?…its always so interesting to hear you go on about how you bet the weekends games,..we talk about it for hours afterwards.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:27 am
LOL
I’m here for your entertainment Bob.
I took the Saints because of MaddenRaider’s Madden simulator. I can’t pick worth a shyt right-now, so I am going to try this, this weekend.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Hey some people talk about taking their poodles for romantic walks by the river, others talk about betting, other’s on their mock drafts.
To each their own.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:31 am
I hit 5 4-team parlays last year at Cal-Neva in Tahoe last year, rough year on those this year, hit a few money line payoffs,…put a few bills on Oakland at Denver, money line….the sports books in Tahoe, well theres only two, are strugglin, all of Tahoe strugglin, too many Injun casinos,..the latest one in Shingle Springs is killing Tahoe.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Vegas always talks good football here on this Raider football blog.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Thank you Plunk, Im sure he apreciates your support.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Hey 408….thankx 4dat funny as hell true life choking by the dolts ;}
January 24th, 2010 at 8:42 am
LOL…hey I can stir the pot and play devil’s advocate fairly well.
Off to the Sunday morning married-lif runs to best buy, wal-mart and god knows what else.
Enjoy the morning!!!!
January 24th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Plunkett, I agree the WSJ stat is pretty interesting. Of course, they might say the something about the time spent shooting in a firefight. It underscores the importance of preparation. Once a play starts, it requires immediate reaction and commitment, and there is almost never any opportunity to correct a mistake. Would that JRuss would understand that having a gun and knowing how to pull the trigger is hardly enough.
I wonder if the 60% includes replays. (At least the Raiders have made it to the huddle and gotten their plays off the last couple years.)
January 24th, 2010 at 8:49 am
You are welcome Norc
January 24th, 2010 at 8:51 am
They break it down at the link. I was gonna c&p all of it but I did not want Norc to bark at me this morning.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Cutting and pasting should also be banned here….cutting and pasting shows a lack of intelligence.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Preach it, Norc.
The masses will follow
January 24th, 2010 at 9:07 am
What do you think of Bretts chances of popping too many vics and laying another interception filled tuurd on the field?
January 24th, 2010 at 9:09 am
I was listening to murp & mac the other day and they were talking bout how Herrera’s wife had a 4 year battle with cancer that she ended up loosing. Big Al paid 4 everything. No wonder the guy does what he does 4 Al.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:10 am
No they wont, not on that,..theres some real slow pewople in here like old man Kell, he has an excuse though, hes not smart, doesnt have any original theories, cant think for himself, so he has no choice but to cut and paste and post as his own thoughts, eventhough they clearly arent his ideas,..but hey look, hes old, battling depression, stupid looking, (yes Iv seen his pic),..then theres the Rich`s, MR`s, they cant seem to post without first posting someone elses thoughts,…thats what happens when you cant initiate an arguement on your own.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:20 am
O Mock Draft 1.0:
1- ILB R McClain
2- DT T Cody or Jared Odrick
3- OT Sam Young
3- DE Austen Lane
4- ILB Micah Johnson
5- OG Sergio Render
January 24th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Did you really do research on Sergio Render?…damn.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:24 am
How Many DTs will be drafted in the 1st? T Cody is rated lower than Suh, Mccoy, Price, Dan Williams, and Odrick at this point.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Terrance Cody makes Jamarcus look like the “hardest working man in show business…James Brown!” Do any of you really think we need another all world talent that won’t lift a finger on the other side of the ball? Puuleeeeze.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Ricky Bobby,
Go walk the Poodles, pop a few more pills, and get lost.
I don’t feel like being nice to retards today.
God bless you!
January 24th, 2010 at 9:31 am
wouldnt it sukk if by game 8 al fires tom cable next season ?
January 24th, 2010 at 9:33 am
I hear antonio pierce is a FA and I think he would be a good pickup. He is an LA native that grew up a fan of the team and is the type of personality that can hold other players accountable.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Seymour,
I will not draft anyone with questions about his work ethic in the 1st, but you don’t think a 2nd RD is worth the risk & return with a guy like T Cody? (if he falls that far)
January 24th, 2010 at 9:38 am
God?…lol…F*ck God.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Don’t be angry at God. He didn’t make you a pill popper- poodle loving- alcoholic. lol
January 24th, 2010 at 9:41 am
NORCO , HEY HEY HEY . god is a raider fan buddy he told me
January 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am
why else do u think the rest of the world hates the raiders but us righteous few ? damn jews that run the nfl keep holdin us down man
January 24th, 2010 at 9:44 am
When are you gonna come to SD, and bring me some of the Greens you guys have up there? I heard you have better Quality up there.
January 24th, 2010 at 9:45 am
SFAD,
you are crazy!
LMAO
January 24th, 2010 at 9:45 am
we have been watching for some solid news on cable and specultaing about harbaugh, trestman, etc…..another possibility just came to me….what if this is our annual wait for the super bowl offensive coordinator
oakland raiders next head coach is..drum roll…
Clyde Christensen or Pete Carmichael or Darrell Bevell or Brian Shottemheimer(ok..that wont happen)
or how bout this one….davis waiting to bring back bill callahan
January 24th, 2010 at 9:54 am
or the other possibility….raiders are jerking cable around hoping he quits so AL doesnt have to pay him his salary
boy…that one actually sounds the most accurate
January 24th, 2010 at 10:08 am
# Raider O Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Seymour,
I will not draft anyone with questions about his work ethic in the 1st, but you don’t think a 2nd RD is worth the risk & return with a guy like T Cody? (if he falls that far)
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Exactly. I know you are not a big Cable guy but those high effort guys are the kind of guys Cable wants on his roster, and not only on the field but in the locker room and film room as well. There was no reason to start Frye the last game especially if you REALLY are trying to develop Jamarcus. But because of all the effort that Charlie Frye put in getting to work early, doing everything he could to get on the field, helping the coaching staff, Cable started him in the last game and let the fat assed lazy dude sit. Don’t think that did not go unnoticed in the locker room. The players appreciate that.
With regards to Cody, I think our offensive line has been an unmitigated disaster for years. Actually since our last playoff run. Al has tried to fix it but to no avail. If Okung is available (no sure thing), you take him. If he isn’t and McClain is (no sure thing) you take HIM. If neither is available, you might want to trade down a few slots and grab Dan Williams, the best Nose Tackle available in this draft. that’s what I would do, if I was primed to get a nose tackle. Sorry for the long response.
January 24th, 2010 at 10:29 am
a lot of talk of cody being over hyped. also, heard a lot about his work ethic, or lack there of
January 24th, 2010 at 10:34 am
High motor guys that are GOOD! That’s the key! High Motor guys that are GOOD
January 24th, 2010 at 10:35 am
random thought . wasnt karate kid part 2 like the most ubderrated movie ever. u remember when sato told his son 2 go help daniel son but his son was like . i cant then sato ran out side and helped danielson & then came back in 7 told his son . NOW, U ARE DEAD 2 ME. i coulda shed a tear man.
January 24th, 2010 at 10:40 am
then at the end errbody pulled out that stick thingy with the string and started twirling it while daniel son was gettin his ass kicked and then chosen i think was the japanese dude name was started lookin around & got pissed cus errbody was against him and charged daniel son ….
January 24th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Cable rides with guys to the point that the season becomes lost. He rode DHB and Kwame Harris when it was clear they couldn’t play.
His absolute devotion to wasting carries with Fargas is well documented…and Eugene continues to steal snaps from Huff.
Now we have another “Cable Guy” in Bruce Gradkowski. The Raiders need to bring in competition for this 3x released journeyman QB.
January 24th, 2010 at 10:48 am
My 2010 Mock Draft
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1. LB- ALA.- Rolando McClain
2. OG- IDAHO- Mike Iupati
3. RB- STAN.- Toby Gerhart
3. DT- CAL.- Tyson Alualu
4. LB- KEN.- Micah Johnson
5. WR/KR- OLMISS.- Dexter McCluster*
5. OG- Tex.T.- Brandon Carter
7. C- N.D.- Eric Olsen
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*Logan Mankins N.E. (OL)
*Nick Leckey N.O. (C)
*Jahri Evans N.O. (OL)
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*Free Agent
January 24th, 2010 at 10:56 am
satan
that was sato’s nephew
January 24th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Well, we could do better than Tom Cable but we could also do much worse.
Players get better with experience and so do coaches, Cable is still a young coach (45) with just 27 games under his belt, it’s hard to imagine any coach having to put up with so much adversity in the past few months as Cable did, including probably the toughest situation for a coach to handle which is to try to develop a #1 draft pick as your QB while dealing with the pressure to win now, not to mention his off-field issues.
I like the guy because he kept fighting, never backed down and now has apparently survived, it seems he’s earned the respect of the players and that should only help his cause next year.
Most of the problems with this team are mental anyway, if Cable can emerge as the strong minded leader this team needs it might be enough to get them to play up to their potential every week.
Cable’s team should have won 8 or 9 games last year, maybe next season they put it all together and finally give us a playoff contender.
Just go get a couple of OL in the draft and FA, have an open competition for the starting QB job and give this guy one more shot.
January 24th, 2010 at 10:57 am
false start # 74 offense 5 yard penalty still 3rd down
January 24th, 2010 at 10:58 am
that was satos nephew huh ? yeah. that movie deserved sum sort of oscar man……like the epic scene when sato & mr myagi made up.. priceless
January 24th, 2010 at 11:04 am
wax-on
wax-off
January 24th, 2010 at 11:05 am
# new englandraider Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 10:57 am
false start # 74 offense 5 yard penalty still 3rd down
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I think that says it all right there. Other than 3rd and 18 deep in their end, screen pass to their back, Howard misses a tackle, uh oh, still on his feet, gain of 90. And a touchdown.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Seymour,
That makes sense. Cable does appreciate work ethic.
IMHO work ethic is great, but it’s not enough. Players need talent, and a coach to help develop that talent.
Players like Fargas, Eugene, Brown, alston, Frye, Bruce, etc… Have a great work ethic but they lack talent.
I don’t think we can win with work ethic. We need talent and coaching. The old Raiders teams didn’t have a great work ethic, but we were loaded with talent.
I think we need more talent, and better coaching.
BTW, I enjoyed reading your response.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:16 am
From the Las Vegas sightings section:
“Oakland Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkoswki with friends at Moon Nightclub at the Palms on Friday.”
January 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Haha if you think there is a better nose tackle than Cody in this draft YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
January 24th, 2010 at 11:18 am
# vegas raider Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:16 am
From the Las Vegas sightings section:
“Oakland Raiders quarterback Bruce Gradkoswki with friends at Moon Nightclub at the Palms on Friday.”
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You mean that guy that works hard and has his teammates respect?
January 24th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Raider O what most GM’s in most sports have come to use as a winning formula has been the high effort scrappy hungry teams. Like last years Steelers, or the year Before NY Giants, Zona Cardinals. Orlando playing in the NBA finals, Tampa Bay and Philly in MLB are other examples. I mean the Lakers and the NY Yankee teams of the last two years kind of blows that theory, but still there is certainly some truth to the theory. Now, that being said, granted you have to have some PLAYERS on your team. Rudi can only carry you so far and he is not going to single handedly beat the 2009 Alabama Crimson Tide. That is kind of a given.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Don’t forgot the fan’s respect as well. He doesn’t get booed the moment he steps on the field.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am
VR……..sad thing is Russell is back
January 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
# The Return of Godliness Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Haha if you think there is a better nose tackle than Cody in this draft YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
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Terrance Cody is a two down player who most GM’s are terrified is going to cash his big “fat” check and take the rest of his life off. Where have we heard THAT before? Dan Williams is a dominant way more athletic every down NT that will no doubt go in the lst round, who has a motor and work ethic. Who would you chose?
January 24th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Seymour Bush…
Giants have a BEAST O-LINE and a BEAST D-LINE during that SB run.
The Steelers defense is littered with BEASTS at NT, LB and Safety….and the Cardinals…Fitzgerals, Boldin, Breaston are as talented as they come… and Kurt Warner is a no compromises complete passer.
The Raiders have a bunch of gym rats. Great for the rec league…but you absolutely get CRUSHED during real football.
We need players that work hard AND HAVE TALENT. Louis Murphy strikes me as potentially that kind of guy.
Fargas, Eugene, Carlisle, Green, Brown, Gradkowksi, Alston, and others are role players at best…not starters that you base the season on!
January 24th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Seymour,
LMAO @ Rudi.
NY giants had a descent QB, Good Oline, and a great DLine that was full of talent.
M Strahan, Osi U, Justin Tuck, and DT Robbins. That’s more than enough talent on Defense to carry an offense.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:27 am
I was happy he was even recognized and made the papers. He’s listed with Meg Ryan, Avril Lavigne, Jason Giambi and the other celebrities seen.
Bruce really doesn’t fit but hey.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am
# SATANFEARS ALDAVIS Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 9:42 am
why else do u think the rest of the world hates the raiders but us righteous few ? damn jews that run the nfl keep holdin us down man
Hey numbnuts, Al Davis is Jewish.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
# The Return of Godliness Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Haha if you think there is a better nose tackle than Cody in this draft YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
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Terrance Cody is a two down player who most GM’s are terrified is going to cash his big “fat” check and take the rest of his life off. Where have we heard THAT before? Dan Williams is a dominant way more athletic every down NT that will no doubt go in the lst round, who has a motor and work ethic. Who would you chose?
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Dan Williams is a one year wonder. His work ethic and effort have been questioned before. How the fuk is he is 3 down player when he lacks pass rushing ability? He isnt the monster Cody is and its not even close. Terrence Cody could have entered last year’s draft could Dan Williams?
People need to realize the Raiders will not get any better until they address the biggest problem on the field………….in the interior of the dline.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am
The Return of Godliness Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am
VR……..sad thing is Russell is back
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Back for what?? To lose his job again? I’m not really too worried about it. If Bruce is on the roster, he will be starting soon enough, if not immediately.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am
I have to laugh at the latest nonsense speculation that it’s the zone blocking scheme that’s holding the team back. You guys kills me!
January 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Raider O,
don’t forget about ex-Raider Dave Tollefson. He was the glue that held that Super Bowl winning D-line together.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:32 am
LOL Seymour Bush……….are NTs really 3 down players anyway? You think Minnesota has Pat Williams as a pass rusher on 3rd down? How about Casey Hampton or Kris Jenkins? Those guys are there to stop you on first and second down forcing a 3rd and long. Remember the Maualuga 2 down talk last year? Yeah see hwo wrong you all were then and you will be wrong again.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
VR……….Bruce isnt good
January 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
# ohioraider Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am
I have to laugh at the latest nonsense speculation that it’s the zone blocking scheme that’s holding the team back. You guys kills me!
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The ZBS sucks man
January 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
yeah but look at that Giants offensive line:
Diehl fifth rounder, Shaun O’Hara the leader of the line was undrafted! So was Rich Seubert! David Tyree? Brandon Jacobs was a 4th rounder. Ahmad Bradshaw a SEVENTH rounder! Where did those guys come from? That’s a mean scrappy team.
Look at Pittsburgh: Hartwig and Keomatu were 6th rounders, Willie Parker undrafted. Kiesel was a 7th rounder, and their corners were late picks. Pitt is a little different in the fact that they do a REALLY GOOD job of drafting. NFL Defensive MVP James Harrison was UNDRAFTED! But those are all EXTREMELY HIGH MOTOR GUYS!
January 24th, 2010 at 11:34 am
The Raiders need to focus on running the ball and stopping the run.
That’s it! The passing game will always be down because Al Davis hasn’t developed a QB in over 30 yrs…he relies on free agents and hopes that someone else makes a mistake…happens occassionally….
The defense is a rank joke. Soft to the touch and filled with speedy guys that can’t play physical football. Everytime they line up against the physical teams…they get smashed. The run defense is non-existant.
Run the ball and stop the run. Let’s do that before thinking about becoming this high flying passing attack.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:35 am
# The Return of Godliness Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
# ohioraider Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am
I have to laugh at the latest nonsense speculation that it’s the zone blocking scheme that’s holding the team back. You guys kills me!
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The ZBS sucks man
OK, man.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:35 am
ZBS main issue is it falters inside the 20 man. Fk the ZBS and Cable
January 24th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Cable’s ZBS highlights pu$$y o-line play
January 24th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Arent we supposedly running a vertical attack? Withthe ZBS though? If anyone is well versed on this please explain to me how that works out
January 24th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I don’t know if ZBS is holding us back, but F Pete said it best: it’s being used as an excuse not to draft OL in the 1st 2 RDs, and an excuse to have guys like Cooper, Green, Pears, Harris, Barnes ( who I wanted us to sign), Satele, and Morris.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Man Mountain Tom still in charge?
Iron Mike Waufle in da house.
“King” JaManteca training in the Valley of the Sun.
Gradkowski the Bruce ripping it up in Vegas.
now if only the Raiders can re-up Pears and Eugene and Nicky and Mop Handle and Watkins and Morris and Joseph and Carlisle they’ll be well on their way to that elusive 6 win campaign. AAAAAAAAAArgh.
Bring in an OC already!
January 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am
TROG, I don’t know if I would blame the Raider woes on the DT positions. Were those guys all pro? Certainly not. But the defense played very well in spots and then gave up HUGE plays in both the run and passing games. Normally that would not be the fault of the DT’s. Should there be an upgrade at the position? Absolutely. Is Terrance Cody the answer? Don’t get me wrong, I like Cody an awful lot, but I am completely tired of fat ass players that seemingly don’t give a fukk.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Oh its an excuse alright…….its a poor excuse of a blocking scheme for us
January 24th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I agree Cody is very rare player something that comes every 5 yrs, he is beast can play offense in goal line situation. Single handedly he can cause havoc, he is impact player worth the risk, he can become the next Kris Jenkins
January 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:39 am
TROG, I don’t know if I would blame the Raider woes on the DT positions. Were those guys all pro? Certainly not. But the defense played very well in spots and then gave up HUGE plays in both the run and passing games. Normally that would not be the fault of the DT’s. Should there be an upgrade at the position? Absolutely. Is Terrance Cody the answer? Don’t get me wrong, I like Cody an awful lot, but I am completely tired of fat ass players that seemingly don’t give a fukk.
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Go look at the game tape of Gerard Warren fronting like a run sutffer. He cant shed double team blocks and tries to play the one technique and shoot the gaps. That has allowed Kelly to take on most ofthe double teams and the Raiders get gashed up the gut.
With Cody that shyt is cut in half for sure. How do you know Dan Williams wont get a fat check and not give a fuk when he comes out to Cali?
January 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Cut back blocking constitutes pusy line play? Didn’t Denver’s OL develop a nasty reputation using ZB? And for years didn’t Denver lead the league in rushing by turning average runners into superstars using this scheme?
Look, I don’t know what “scheme” is ultimately the answer but the main problem with our line was mostly related to mistakes and poor pass blocking.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Draft status has nothing to do with being “scrappy”
Scrappy to me means a player that doesn’t have the talent to excel and therefore must play with extraordinary energy to get buy…they give you a play or two here and there…they may even give you a spirited play or two. But they can’t do it for 16 games…just can’t.
Scrappy teams work until you run into a team with high motor guys with talent.
5-11 is what scrappy teams do….
January 24th, 2010 at 11:43 am
# Raiders4eve Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:40 am
I agree Cody is very rare player something that comes every 5 yrs, he is beast can play offense in goal line situation. Single handedly he can cause havoc, he is impact player worth the risk, he can become the next Kris Jenkins
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Last time the Raiders run defense wasnt pitiful…who was the Nose Tackle? Sam Adams? He sure was a 3 down player right?
January 24th, 2010 at 11:43 am
M,
LMAO
BTW, He is still on the Giants’ roster.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am
No way we can afford to gamble on a fat arss like Cody at #8.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am
The Return of Godliness Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Arent we supposedly running a vertical attack? Withthe ZBS though?
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the ZBS would not be incongruent with a deep passing game. The Jets run it and they had the number one run O in the league last year they just don’t incorporate the deep passing game which would be a nice feature. If you are going to heave the rock deep down the field, you need one of the if not THE preeminent Offensive lines in the league. Otherwise, you get killed. We don’t have that so we get killed.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am
# ohioraider Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Cut back blocking constitutes pusy line play? Didn’t Denver’s OL develop a nasty reputation using ZB? And for years didn’t Denver lead the league in rushing by turning average runners into superstars using this scheme?
Look, I don’t know what “scheme” is ultimately the answer but the main problem with our line was mostly related to mistakes and poor pass blocking.
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Denver develops reputation because they are foul with it and were doing underhanded shyt. The NFL started to outlaw that crap and they haven’t been a strong since. Denver is scraping the ZBS this season if you must know.
January 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am
# jhill Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am
No way we can afford to gamble on a fat arss like Cody at #8.
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Put the ganja down
January 24th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
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January 24th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I have to laugh at the latest nonsense speculation that it’s the zone blocking scheme that’s holding the team back. You guys kills me!
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The ZBS sucks man
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Hate the playuh and/or the execution; not the system.
The Jets seem to be just fine with the ZBS. And that’s with a rookie QB and a rookie RB that is taking over the majority of carries.
The Jets also have a few higher round picks that make up their OL, so it’s not necessarily the case that the ZBS is made for low round castoffs. With more teams moving to the ZBS, the best OL fit for the system are starting to see increased demand for their services.
January 24th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Arent we supposedly running a vertical attack? Withthe ZBS though?
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the ZBS would not be incongruent with a deep passing game. The Jets run it and they had the number one run O in the league last year they just don’t incorporate the deep passing game which would be a nice feature. If you are going to heave the rock deep down the field, you need one of the if not THE preeminent Offensive lines in the league. Otherwise, you get killed. We don’t have that so we get killed.
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Were you watching the first half of the Indy-Jets game? The Jets used the ZBS based run to set up a deep pass to Edwards for a long TD. The announcers were talking about how the Jets players were saying that their running game didn’t really take off until after the trade for Edwards and a legit deep threat to keep the defense honest.
Which brings us back to the Raiders. In Al’s mind he’s on the right page. He has the blocking scheme, the coach to run it, and is stockpiling deep threats. Of course the grand flaw is that the QB that he wanted to execute doesn’t scare the defenses at all.
Get a QB in there that can make the deep throws, and continue slowly upgrading the OL, and this is a formula for success. Taking OC duties away from Cable and letting him be more in tune with coaching the ZBS and that’s a step in the right direction as well.
January 24th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Long live the ZBS!
January 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
The Raiders never indicated he was going to be fired!!! I am tired of the media, in absence of information, creating their own stories and assigning them to sources or whatever. It is almost a mind set where “we’ll throw this crap out there and force their hand in having to respond with the real story”. Every single outlet had Cable GONE. Now it is BREAKING NEWS HE STAYS….their was never any Raider evidence he was not going to stay so how is this news???
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January 24th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
# Raider O Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I don’t know if ZBS is holding us back, but F Pete said it best: it’s being used as an excuse not to draft OL in the 1st 2 RDs, and an excuse to have guys like Cooper, Green, Pears, Harris, Barnes ( who I wanted us to sign), Satele, and Morris.
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Exactly.
What needs to happen is two things when it comes to improving the running game and the O-Line play in general.
The implementation of more POWER running schemes….whether it’s a power ZBS scheme or a more power counter, man or misdirection blocking scheme within in the red zone. ZBS should not be the exclusive blocking scheme that used 100% of the time….the blocking schemes need to mixed up much like what the Ravens and Jets use.
The other big change that is needed is the drafting or signing of FA’s O-Linemen that are bigger and stronger and weigh 320 pounds or more or maulers who can also move.
No more of this exclusively focusing on adding 300 pound O-Linemen who can move….but are NOT maulers.
January 24th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
# Phila. Raider Says:
January 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
The Raiders never indicated he was going to be fired!!! I am tired of the media, in absence of information, creating their own stories and assigning them to sources or whatever. It is almost a mind set where “we’ll throw this crap out there and force their hand in having to respond with the real story”. Every single outlet had Cable GONE. Now it is BREAKING NEWS HE STAYS….their was never any Raider evidence he was not going to stay so how is this news???
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Yeah but the old man and Herrera never exactly offered any great votes of confidence that Cable was gonna stay either.
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January 25th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Can’t somebody just tell Al Davis not to act so stupidly?
He wants so desperately for the media to say good things about the Raiders, and he figures he’ll get that result by referring to the most recognized announcer in the league as having “not a bone of morality in his body”? Since when is criticsizing a football team “immoral”? How ridiculous. Then, didn’t he call Chris Mortensen “a chronic liar” or something like that? Why not just ignore stuff like that? Who freaking cares?
Then he embarrassed himself by interrupting Seymour at the presser by saying “and he wants to play for the owner”; referring to himself of course.
We wonder why a decent head coach like Cowher, or heck, even Sarkisian, wouldn’t come to Oakland. Gee whiz, maybe it’s because they worry they may not even get freakin’ paid, or that they worry Al will bring out a freaking overhead projector and read private letters, and then publicly state that he is firing his head coach “for cause”. Or maybe that Al will fire him in the middle of the season and not pay him the amount he owes him. Gee, I wonder WHY a good coach would be resistant to coming to Oakland.
Somebody tell Al that he is only embarrassing HIMSELF with this stupid crap, not to mention the Raider fandom.
After considering the above, how can anyone come to the conclusion that he is anything but a sane individual?