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Deals with Seymour, Seabass require some thought

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NFL teams were able to designate franchise and transition players as of today and can do so for the next two weeks.

During that time, the Raiders can be expected to lock up defensive end Richard Seymour and place kicker Sebastian Janikowski, whether through the tagging process or long-term deals. If last season is any indication, when Nnamdi Asomugha and Shane Lechler became the highest paid players at their positions, both are feeling good about breaking the bank themselves.

However, there’s a chance both could come away disappointed _admittedly a relative term when millions of dollars are being discussed.

Oh, they’ll still be Raiders, but it’s probably unrealistic to think they’ll come away with the kind of deals Asomugha and Lechler received, contracts which stunned not only the players involved but the rest of the NFL.

Seymour is classified as an end for purposes of his tag, meaning he would earn $13,398.000 if he doesn’t come to a long-term agreement. If given the exclusive tag, it could be more, as his deal would be recalculated with the top five salaries at his position as of April 15.

But Seymour isn’t looking for a year-to-year existence, no matter the salary. He will turn 31 during the 2010 season and is looking for what could be his last big score. Given that he’s a unique player given his ability to move inside as well as play at the end, and the fact that he has five Pro Bowls under his belt and three Super Bowl rings, his agent, Eugene Parker, will be looking closely at three contracts while setting his price.

The two highest paid defensive ends are Minnesota’s Jared Allen (six years, $74 million, $31 million guaranteed) and Indianapolis’ Dwight Freeney (six years, $72 million, $30 million guaranteed) and Washington defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (seven years, $100 million, $41 million guaranteed).

With the later years of the deal so much window dressing, the guaranteed money is the issue. Seymour, who wisely went on record saying how much he enjoyed it in Oakland, probably can’t be brought home with less than $35 million in guaranteed money. Parker could reasonably request Seymour be made the highest paid lineman in the NFL.

For all his accomplishments, that’s a huge figure for someone who had four sacks in 16 games (including two in the opener) and whose presence couldn’t prevent the Raiders from being one of the most porous teams in the NFL against the run.

After giving up a first-round draft pick in 2011, allowing Seymour to walk isn’t an option. Unless the Raiders are willing to pay him the huge guarantee, or can get back a first-round draft pick, they’ll be looking at keeping him with a franchise tag and paying the $13,398.000. Given Asomugha’s age and level of performance, it was an easier call to write the check for his three-year deal than it will be with Seymour.

In past years, franchising Seymour would have meant Janikowski would be a free man. Not so in the absence of a collective bargaining agreement. With no CBA in place, teams can use both franchise and transition tags. In Janikowski’s case, the franchise tag is $2,814,000, the transition tag $2,629,000.

Janikowski knows what Lechler received _ $16 million over four years, $9 million guaranteed.

But it’s hard to make the case that Janikowski should get anything approaching what Lechler got. Lechler has been among the NFL’s premiere punters since he arrived in 2000. Janikowski, in 2009, enjoyed his first truly elite season as a place kicker.

What he does have in common with Lechler is that Al Davis is proud of the draft where he got both his kickers, getting Janikowski in the first round and Lechler in the fifth.

This year’s climate may not be conducive to long-term contracts with big money paid up front. Salaries won’t be paid in the event of a 2011 work stoppage. Bonus money is out the window.

As you may have noticed, blog postings have slowed in the absence of news but are will pick up as events warrant . . .

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Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • Senior Beeecham

    Krappy, I’m glad you can sympathize with my plight. I mean, ever since I stared doing the PX90, these super models think I can go all night. It’s like I’m being totally exploited for my ripped delts and quads.

    Whatever happened to discovering the man behind the brawn? I totally agree with you – it’s completely “lame”.

    So what’re your big plans with the little lady?

    Gulf Stream to London?

    Canoeing in Peru?

    Crapping the heck out of your golf pants while she puts?

  • Norco Bob

    I think old kell is havin a bad day,..folks in here make fun of him for posting 7 year stats all the time,..its clear he really doesnt have anything to say besides that,..he must be the life of the party in social settings!!!…so please old man, feel free to put some tokens in that googlie machine there in that laundry mat,…post some cool 7 year stats,..because thats really all you have,..hang in there old dude.

  • Einstein

    Senior Beeecham Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    Crapping the heck out of your golf pants while she puts?

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    LMFAO!!! That was funny.

    I can just see it, Stool Kell’s ugly azz white wife changing his diaper on the putting green.

  • Norco Bob

    Come on now, dont make fun of the old mans lady,…have you seen him???…lol…by the way, someone in here claims that woman was at one time a man,..damn.

  • Norco Bob

    Besides, if you want a hot lady, you need to leave the bay area,…famous for ugly women, and homosexuals…I grew up in the bay area, couldnt get out of there fast enough,..one big open sewer.

  • Senior Beeecham

    Norco, Krappy can do WAY more than just post those stats over and over again.

    The wacky old derelict is very skilled at posting lame articles from the Bleacher Report and taking full credit for writing them.

    He’s also great at driving that bright red Krappy Mobile around town during parades.

    And of course, the old goat somehow remodeled his 1 bdr apt all by himself. Check out those sweet shots on his state-of-the-art web site.

  • Norco Bob

    Yes,..the old fool for sure can cut and paste,..very skilled at that. Also very good embarrassing himself.

  • Senior Beeecham

    Hey Krappy, where’d you get all those wonderful ideas for remodeling you and your wife’s 1 Bd apt.?

    I really hope you checked with you Super first, he could dock your security deposit if you make improvements without written approval.

    Just trying to help out in any way I can, old pal!

  • Debo,

    I think your missing my point a little.

    No doubt, if Jamarcus pisses everyone off during the week, and goes out and balls on Sunday’s all will be forgiven. I don’t disagree with that, and only a moron would.

    My point is, he is making it harder on himself by not getting guys fully on board the Jamarcus Russell train during the work week.

    And I look at football just like other jobs. If the boss takes you out to eat for lunch, you always work harder that afternoon. The little things sound stupid and mundane, but that shyt works. Why do QB’s always buy their O-lineman rolexes and such when they make the Pro Bowl? Because it probably helps and certainly doesn’t hurt.

    That’s my point. Jamarcus has enough of an uphill battle already, he doesn’t need to compound the issue by allowing guys like Bruce Gradkowski to outwork him and endear himself to his teammates more.

  • Seymour Bush Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    All that being said, a major difference between Russell and Grads is Grads plays MUCH FASTER. He has his team in and out of the huddle faster, he gets back faster, the gets the ball out faster. Just by doing that, the offensive line doesn’t have to hold their blocks as long and they look much better. And BTW, that was the very first thing Gruden worked on when he got here: playing much more uptempo.

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    Bingo!!!

  • Norco Bob

    God I miss Gruden,…Im still not over that one.

  • 24

    Raider O – Yes…I moved to San Diego.

  • DKnight007

    KoolKell Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
    Hey Boob,

    Is Gary Radnich going to the beach with you?

    ^^^^^^^^
    Radnich….another old wind bag who thinks he can turn into Pete Franklin now that he is older and sounds like crap on the radio.

    Nope! LOL

  • Beech

    Do you really think I read all of those krappy lullabies?

    Lame.

  • Beech

    You write krappy short stories about me all day/every day. Really?

  • Beech, Boob & Einstein.

    What’s wrong with that picture?

  • Norco Bob

    Whats wrong with that picture?…dude,..wasnt going to bring it up,..but,..that pic you make sure we all see once a week?…need to photoshop it,…gross,…oh, and photoshop your pic as well,…lol. hahahaha

  • Norco Bob

    Seriously old kell,..al davis looks better then you do,…not to mention hes a billionaire.

  • RaiderDebo

    vegas raider Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
    Debo,

    I think your missing my point a little.

    No doubt, if Jamarcus pisses everyone off during the week, and goes out and balls on Sunday’s all will be forgiven. I don’t disagree with that, and only a moron would.

    My point is, he is making it harder on himself by not getting guys fully on board the Jamarcus Russell train during the work week.

    And I look at football just like other jobs. If the boss takes you out to eat for lunch, you always work harder that afternoon. The little things sound stupid and mundane, but that shyt works. Why do QB’s always buy their O-lineman rolexes and such when they make the Pro Bowl? Because it probably helps and certainly doesn’t hurt.

    That’s my point. Jamarcus has enough of an uphill battle already, he doesn’t need to compound the issue by allowing guys like Bruce Gradkowski to outwork him and endear himself to his teammates more.
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    Loomk man, I think your missing my point a little. I mean, who says JR is “not getting guys fully on board the Jamarcus Russell train during the work week”? That’s my point. You’re making a lot of assumptions about the locker room that you can’t prove. And that’s not a knock against you. None of us know what’s going on behind closed doors. An please, no more comparisons between an NFL team and the regular workplace. Hell, I’d still like more evidence that JaMarcus doesn’t work hard. There is no one on this site that knows what he does week in. Bottom line, there are lots of reasons why this team, especially JR, has struggled. There’s tons of “tangible” evidence I can look at before making a bunch of assumptions about things I’m not privy to. Just my opinion.

  • who says JR is “not getting guys fully on board the Jamarcus Russell train during the work week”?

    ***********************************

    His coach pretty much says that, Nmamdi said it at the end of the year.

    It is pretty much a known fact Bruce and Charlie outworked him this year.

    Every comment about how Russell needs to improve, and the company line is “figuring out what it takes to be an NFL QB, doing everything possible to be fully prepared on Sunday, and on and on and on”

    You need evidence Jamarcus didn’t work hard in 2009? Look at his waistline from the previous year. Look at his own admittance that he was fined by the Raiders for being “a little heavy” (his words) in training camp.

    These aren’t assumptions, these are facts. He can turn it around, no doubt, and I hope he does.

    But 2009 was a colossal disaster for Jamarcus. How does one go from 13 TD’s and 9 ints to 3 TD’s and 17 ints in one year? How do you let a career hack like Charlie Frye outperform you on the football field? Not working hard or taking the game serious.

  • *17 turnovers, not INT’s*

  • Yeah Russell is immature, stipulated.

    But, he has tremendous upside, that neither Frye of Grabowski have.

  • And than there is the missing of the last Monday. The Raiders excused him, but Jerry reported that one verteran teammate was disgusted by it.

    I’m sure he wasn’t the only one.

  • I hope we see that upside Kool, I really do.

    But how does anyone expect us fans, hint-hint Al Davis, to be anything about negative about the idea of him starting in 2010 just taking a shyt on the field like he did in 2009?

  • vegas raider Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    I’m sure he wasn’t the only one.

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    OK, well that’s an assumption

  • jhill

    Vegas, It doesn’t matter man.

    Did you notice the bad chemistry between Chaz and Russell on the field?

    Henderson needs to block someone man. Just as bad as all the things your saying Russell needs to do for his teammates. Cornell Green needs to not get pushed 4 yds back into the backfield on a 3rd and 1 running play.

    That is the stuff we need to work on.

    Russell needs to throw the ball to the WRs even if they cant catch.

    McFadden needs to hold on to the ball.

    All the off the field stuff? So what!

  • Vegas

    How do you expect a General Manager who’s 29-83 to build a better team in 2010?

  • You getting your bags packed for Baja Kool, lol.

    Seriously, that whole thing may be one of the weirdest things I have ever encountered in my 29 years on this earth.

  • jhill

    CJ and Branch need to have better communication when we play zone.

    Morrison needs to take better angles and learn how to shed a block.

    Bush needs to be able to stay on the field for more than 5 plays.

    We need to call more running plays witgh 2 TEs.

    We need to call a reverse.

    We need to get DMAC matched up with a LB or S.

    Plenty to do before we worry about off the field stuff!

  • Russell had a couple of good games too, in 08′

  • Why is it that Defensive Players for the Raiders never understand gap control?

    Every Freakin Year!

  • 24

    We need someone who can call plays and setup an offensive plan that could put our guys in the best chance to succeed like running Bush more frequently, taking advantage of McFadden in the slot and using 2 TE sets with Miller and Brandon Myers. We also need another FB and it would be nice to finally see Javon Walker get involved if hes actually going to be on this team. I hope Hue Jackson has the power and ability to make all these things happen.

  • Kool,

    At this stage, I guess we are hoping for blind luck.

    But I will continue to hope, and talk myself into something positive potentially happening.

  • Raiders4eve

    Just a question guys, do you guys think regardless of having Hue Jackson as our OC, do you guys really think we will be a running team just like the year when Kiffen coached us to become a top 10 running team???

    I think we have a philosophy that is backed and stamped by the Owner AL Davis. We are a vertical team passing and man to man defensive team. Meaning, if we do run the ball, it will be 25 to 30 times a game but expect JR or Grad whoever starts to throw the ball 30 to 35 times a game. Now, can JR win us some games if he is forced to throw more then 30 times? I guess we will see.

  • C’mon, They never figured out how to use Randy Moss for christsakes.

    They get players, then can’t figure out how to use them.

  • Out for a crappy buffet dinner.

    Check in later

  • 24

    Raiders4eve – If theres one thing I noticed about the Raiders, our philosophy has generally been the same under every coach but what I noticed differently this year from last was the improvement of our defense going from Rob Ryan to John Marshall. The Defensive idea was still the same but the play calling for the situations at hand were far better and our defense got tighter after the 1st week against the Chargers when the defense went to its typical prevent defense. All of a sudden, Marshall was blitzing a lot more and our defense was causing more turnovers.

    Willie Shaw ran our defense well, Chuck Bresnahan was average, Rob Ryan was terrible and John Marshall was successful and adding Mike Waufle and Clancy Pendergast as Defensive coaches can only make us that much better in my opinion.

  • Plunketthead

    Everybody except owner Al Davis seems convinced that JaMarcus Russell, the No. 1-overall pick of the ’07 draft, is a bust. Bruce Gradkowski was their best quarterback last season, but he is a restricted free agent.

    Adding Vick would give the Raiders an alternative should Russell continue to struggle. Despite the Raiders’ huge financial commitment Russell, he has looked better in one of his fur coats than he has on the field.

    Davis loves guys who can run and quarterbacks who can throw deep. Vick does both.
    Meanwhile, new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson has a superb reputation working with quarterbacks and likely would relish the chance to work with both Russell and Vick.
    http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-02-11/michael-vick-could-be-jolt-energy-desperate-franchises

  • Raiders4eve

    You guys are dreaming if you expecting our offense to be similar to the Ravens, we dont have the same personal, Ray Rice is one of the top 5 running back in the game. They can run with two head monster between Ray and Willis. They have to run, they can play the clock to their advantage and their defense top 5 so they can play conservative type of game. We can’t. Simply, we are not top in anything excepting punting the ball. We need different strategies as far as I see, if we going to run we need to run smart alot of play action, if we going to pass, simplify the passing game for JR or Grad, if we going deep, DHB needs to catch it. Our OL needs to play smart not stupid penalties. This is what I see if we are top 15 rushing and top 20 passing, we are in the right track. Our defense needs to force turnovers and stop big plays. I dont think we will stop the big plays but at least we need to be solid in the redzone defense thats all i am hoping for.

  • jhill

    4eve,

    Why does Vertical passing attack translate to a lot of pass attempts to some of you. Vertical passing attack has to do with the type of routes that we run, not how many times we throw the ball.

    I HOPE we get back to running the ball and trying to have a top ten running attack. We need to run PA off of the run game and go vertical down the field with one of our WRs. The other guys need to run some shorter routes and flares.

  • 24

    Raiders4eve – As far as our offense goes, I think a lot of the problems had to do with the play calling. There were many times Tom Cable could have stayed with the running game because it was working while Bush had the ball but for some reason, he would continue to get away from something that was working and would get into a passing mode. The fact is, you just can’t go passing every down if you don’t have a running game. Had he stayed more balanced and focused on the side that worked better, I think our offense would have played much better.

    Thats where Hue Jackson comes in. Like John Marshall, he should be able to call better plays in better situations and run the ball when we’re successful at it vs. going to the passing game just to develop it. The passing game will eventually come around without having to force it by having a steady running game and allowing defenses to move up on the offense and try to stop it. Once the defenses move up, the offense can start backing them up with passing and it will be more effective.

  • Raiders4eve

    Vick wont come to the Raiders, period. He has more options like Arizona, Panthers or the Bills. We are who we are and should move forward with the 4 QBs we got.

  • Norco Bob

    Gradkowski has no upside?…hmmm,..Beats the Steelers…check…beats the Bengals..check,..gets hurt behind crappy line,..Russell, monumental bust, fat, stupid, lazy, couldnt htt water fallin out of a boat,…but he has upside,..ok,..God, I dread getting old like old kell, being a senile old man must suck,..sorry old kell.

  • jhill

    Actaully, pull out the tape from the game 1 against SD and that’s EXACTLY how we should play.

    A lot of Bush and McFadden in the game together with McFadden motioning to the slot. A lot of single back with 2 TEs. Murphy and DHB will be much better next year than they were in game 1, and hopefully Chaz and Miller are healthy!

  • raidertalk

    Raiders4eve Says:
    February 12th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
    Vick wont come to the Raiders, period. He has more options like Arizona, Panthers or the Bills. We are who we are and should move forward with the 4 QBs we got.
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    There is a slightly better chance that Vick could come to the Raiders this year. Last year Vick needed to “remake” his image and going to the Raiders would have just added fuel to his haters. Now that he is “reformed” will probably go where they pay him the most.

  • RaiderLen

    Evening Nation,

    Glad to see most of the crowd still banging away.

    Until the OL and DL are “fixed” we are shyt outa luck.

    No Matter who the starting QB is next year,until the lines are fixed…we will remain the suckers of the hind tit.

    Behind a strong OL we can get a much better assesment of the strenghts and weaknesses of our potential QB’s.

    Conversley, the DL and it’s ability to stop the run and sack the QB enhances everything the offense can do.

    It opens up the playbook.

    Our OL has, what I think is generally acknowledged, one above average O lineman…Gallery.

    All of the others, including Henderson, are backups, or also rans.

    Build a dominant OL through the draft, trade and free agency.

    Ensure the same with the DL.

    Then measure the results.

  • Raiders4eve

    Raidertalk

    why do you think AL will pay top money to Vick when he is committed to JR? JR is getting payed $9 mill, do you think he will over pay to get Vick to come here? Doesnt make sense bro. If I am vick, I will go to Arizona, they have all the weapons he needs, good OL, Wrs and RBs. Easy division and friendly system. No way AL will pay Vick close to $4mill if he is paying for JR and Grad.

  • RaiderLen

    If JR is on the roster, Mike Vick is the last thing we’d want.

    Make no mistake Vick is thinking “starter”

    He paid his penance to the NFL god and now want’s to get paid and ride high in the saddle again.

    If JR is outa here, I could see the old man making a play.

    Otherwise, no chance.

  • 24

    Mike Vick sucked as a QB…I can’t understand why anybody cares to make him the leader of a team when his head isn’t into it 100%. The guy would constantly abandon the pocket to run way earlier than he should have because he didn’t see the field very well. He was a run 1st QB and we have enough RB’s on our roster, we don’t need another one playing QB. Vick is talented, thats undeniable but hes not a complete QB. His accuracy is terrible, his reads are terrible, hes lazy and he has a sick mind. No Thanks.

  • 24

    Michael Vick Lifetime Stats

    86 Games, 53.7 Completion Percentage, 75.9 QB Rating

    Jamarcus Russell Lifetime Stats

    31 Games, 52.1 Completion Percentage, 65.2 QB Rating

    Vick has literally had 86 games to improve. I mean really…you see this as an improvement?