Janikowski cashes in, will Seymour get tagged?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, February 16th, 2010 at 1:42 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Whatever disappointment Sebastian Janikowski felt by missing the Pro Bowl after a deserving season was pushed into the background after he signed a four-year contract making him the NFL’s highest paid place kicker.
The terms, first reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter and delayed here while problems were worked out for logging in to the blog software, are the same as punter Shane Lechler received last season _ four years, $16 million, with $9 million guaranteed.
“He is the best kicker in the NFL and the Raiders have recognized that fact by rewarding him with this monstrous contract,” said Paul Healy, the agent for Janikowski. “He loves it in Oakland and wanted to be there. Give Al Davis credit for stepping up an doing what it takes to keep him there.”
No confirmation from the Raiders, who usually wait until the contract is approved by the league before making an announcement.
Actually, the Raiders went ahead and confirmed the signing on their Web site.
A 10-year veteran, Janikowski’s run-ins with the law at Florida State and then with the Raiders, all which involved drinking, have become distant memories.
At a reunion in San Leandro hosted by Jon Gruden in December, Janikowski put in a brief appearance, mingling with some old teammates, drinking ice water with lemon and leaving early the night before a game.
Late in the season, I saw Janikowski headed towards his car in the parking lot, munching on a salad.
When I mentioned it to Lechler, he laughed and said, “he’s in a contract year.’’
While Lechler has been among the elite at his position since his rookie season, Janikowski has yet to make a Pro Bowl and until the last few years it was still up in the air as to whether he was actually worth the first-round draft choice Al Davis spent on him in 2000.
It took until this season for Janikowski, 9-for-10 between 40 and 49 yards, to bring his percentage up to 70 percent for his career in that range.
Tennessee’s Rob Bironas, for example, is 76.8 for his career from 40 to 49. Janikowski is 77.7 percent from that range (21-for-27) in the last four years, distances that are truly money kicks for NFL place kickers.
An elite NFL kicker, or any professional kicker for that matter, should be nearly automatic from 39 yards and in. Percentages normally begin dropping off at the 40-plus range.
From 50-plus, Janikowski is 25-for-51, including 6-for-8 this year, but his percentage suffers from some absurdly long attempts because of his range _ most notably the 76-yard prayer dialed up by Lane Kiffin in his last act as a Raiders head coach.
Next up for the Raiders is Richard Seymour, who can expect the franchise tag if he doesn’t first sign a long-term deal.
I’m expecting the tag rather than the contract.
Considering the $41 million Albert Haynesworth defensive tackle got from Washington last year, and the highest comps at defensive end _ $30 million guaranteed to Dwight Freeney of Indianpapolis and $31 million to Jared Allen _ giving a huge sum of upfront money to Seymour with a potential lockout in 2011 is a risky proposition.
Instead, the Raiders could pay Seymour the franchise figure of $12.398 million (or potentially more if he is an exclusive franchise player), lock him up again in 2011 and then not be on the hook for his salary should there be a work stoppage.
It’s also a legitimate question as to whether Seymour, seeking his last big contract at age 31, played at a level which earned him the kind of money in the Haynesworth-Freeney-Allen realm.
There were times when Seymour looked like what he was in New England _ one of the NFL’s best defensive players and an unblockable force up front. There were other periods where Seymour’s presence did little to prevent Oakland from being among the most porous run defenses in the NFL.
Wisniewski talks with Redskins
Steve Wisniewski, the former Raiders guard who has expressed a desire to return to coaching, has interviewed with the Washington Redskins for a position as an assistant offensive line coach under head coach Mike Shanahan and line coach Chris Foerster.
Wisniewski was a rookie with the Raiders in 1989 when Shanahan was an in-season casualty of Al Davis, replaced by Art Shell. He has spent time in training camp with the Raiders as observer and you wonder if Wisniewski couldn’t conceivably a candidate for the same position in Oakland, given his good standing wit the organization and ties with the community.
Meanwhile, Washington has hired Paul Kelly, a former coaches’ assistant to Jon Gruden in Oakland and Tampa Bay and to Bill Callahan in Oakland, as the administrative assistant for Shanahan.
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February 16th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
YES!
February 16th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
two
February 16th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
3rd?
February 16th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Why does a long snapper suck up a valuable roster spot? Can’t the backup center do long snapping? It can’t be that hard…
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BSJ – Condo also has value because he plays on the kickoff units. I’d rather have a Pro Bowl long snapper than a guy like Chris Morris in any capacity!
February 16th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
repost -
there isn’t a real nose tackle in this draft until you get to Terrance Cody
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Sey Bush: I don’t watch college football, so you’ll have to educate me.
Ndamukong Suh (Nebraska)
Gerald McCoy (Oklahoma)
Dan Williams (Tennessee)
Brian Price (UCLA)
Lamarr Houston (Texas)
none of these guys can play nose tackle?
February 16th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Six
February 16th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Fire Jon Condo for cause!
February 16th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Krappy, I think the whole blog community is wondering what the first PR move of your “Blog Personality” campaign is going to be.
Doing the talk show circuit? I’m sure Ellen would love to slide you in between Bill Paxton and Usher.
And independent film? There’s always a need for a “known” commodity in low budget productions.
Maybe become an official spokesperson? You’d have to drop about 65 – 125 lbs, but Wendy’s is looking for a spokesman for their new low carb menu.
C’mon, Krappy – the entertainment world is waiting on your decision!
February 16th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Steve Wisniewski, the former Raiders guard who has expressed a desire to return to coaching, has interviewed with the Washington Redskins for a position as an assistant offensive line coach under head coach Mike Shanahan and line coach Chris Foerster.
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would anybody be upset to see Raiders assistant offensive line coach Chris Morgan replaced?
February 16th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Fire Jon Condo for cause!
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you’re right BSJ. get rid of Condo so we can reserve his roster spot for another Russell/McFadden/Heyward-Bey (take your pick)
February 16th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Obama Approves Loan Guarantees for New Nuclear Construction in Georgia
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/17/business/energy-environment/17nukes.html
= very good for BSJ’s business!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Does Condo help us stop the run? Does he stop the big plays on defense? Does he keep McFadden from tackling himself and fumbling? Does he help block on the O-line? Does he keep JRUSS awake at meetings?
If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I want him gone yesterday.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
LOL
February 16th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Condo ensures good kicks from the kicker and the punter by accurately placing the ball where it needs to be and safely to the punter. Every position has a reason and if Lechler and Janikowski had great years, it has a lot to with who’s snapping them the ball because theres nothing worse than a bad snap to the holder or a punter that can instantly change momentum or put our players in a position to get injured.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
BSJ: if the Raiders had 52 other players as dedicated to thier craft as Condo & Southwick, we’d be Super Bowl Champs. PERIOD
(do you have to put a “.” even when you spell out period?)
February 16th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Anyone else watching curling?
February 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
YOU PEOPLE:
Condo is an Oakland Raider
I don’t care if he replaces friggin Tom Cable as Head Coach. he’s THAT GOOD
you keep the players that produce – PERIOD
February 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Condo has NOTHING to do with the starting units, in other words…the team should be focused on improving the 22 starters on Offense and Defense. Thats how we’ll ultimately be successful. To go along with that, its important to have a decent player behind every single starter position. If that was the case, that covers 44 players on a 53 man roster. Thats 9 more spots on the roster that can be used for anything and 3 of those are dedicated to special teams with the kicker, punter and place holder. Thats not a big requirement. I believe you should always have a good punt returner and kickoff returner as well so it should be 5 players as JLH and every other guy who’s tried to return a punt or kick has proven how valuable those positions really are.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
24 knows whats up.
Condo to replace Prez BO like yestaday!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Jon Condo may only long-snap, but at least he does it very well.
The whole premise of easily replacing a ST guy with a guy who can play other positions as well is what got Justin Miller cut and we ended up with fat fullbacks returning kicks, after the undrafted white guy from Southern Utah shockingly didn’t pan out.
Let’s keep Condo.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
couldn’t agree more Vegas!
can’t believe we cut Justin Miller. the dude was trying to play through turf toe in preseason and he was still a better KR than anybody else we tried out
bring JM back please
February 16th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
These days, the Raiders having Pro Bowlers is hard to come by. Our Pro Bowlers were Asomugha, Lechler and Condo. He should get credit for that if nothing else. Its pretty hard for a special teams guy to make it there in the first place and we’re lucky we even got a sniff. Notice we have 2 special teams people…Condo has some to do with the success of Lechler.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Al Davis made Seabass, Shane & Isaiah the highest paid ST guys on the planet.
I expect him to follow suit with Jon…
re-sign Johnny Bravo!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
I completely agree with the Justin Miller comments. The guy only returned 2 for Touchdowns 2 years ago and I guess that was 2 TD’s too many. We’ve been fighting for TD’s and we let a guy like that limp or walk away? Come on man. I don’t think people value returners enough. Hester looked like one of the greatest returners of all time and he was getting more TD’s than the Raiders offense so the Bears move him to offense and don’t let him return anymore? WTF?
Look at what Joshua Cribbs does and what he did in the Pro Bowl alone. You just can’t teach that.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Always fun to stir up the hornet’s nest!
Next up: Fire Jim Otto!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Speaking of stirring up the hornest’s nest…
February 16th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Bo – Haha. The Biggest No Leg Bad @$$ in the World.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Injuries and surgeries
Otto punished his body greatly during his NFL career, resulting in nearly 40 surgeries, including 28 knee operations (nine of them during his playing career alone) and multiple joint replacements. His joints are riddled with arthritis, and he has debilitating back and neck problems.
One time, Otto nearly died on the operating table. He also fought off three life-threatening bouts of infections due to his artificial joints, and during one six-month stretch, was without a proper right knee joint because he had to wait for the infection to clear up before another artificial one could be implanted. Today, Otto is handicapped, but he says he wouldn’t change a thing if given the opportunity to do it over again. It’s detailed, proudly, in his book, “The Pain of Glory” (ISBN 1-58261-066-5), published in 2000.
Jim Otto had his right leg amputated on August 1, 2007.[1]
[edit]Personal
During the 1980s, Otto was involved in numerous business ventures. He owned numerous Burger King Restaurants near Sacramento, California until the early 1990s.
In 1997, Otto’s daughter, Jennifer, a 39-year-old mother of four, died from a blood clot. Five years later, in 2002, Otto was stricken with prostate cancer, though the cancer is currently in remission.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Otto was involved in numerous business ventures. He owned numerous Burger King Restaurants near Sacramento, California until the early 1990s
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oh snap!
Otto is MR’s boss ???
February 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Just like I always said Old Kell,..the only good camel jockey is a….
February 16th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
hahahahahahahaha!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
I can’t believe you just said oh snap! I’ve seen that way too many times on here.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Congratulations Sea-Bass
Polish Power!!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
LOL RRS. Otto employed MR’s whole family it appears.
Refire Willie Brown!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
First preseason game of 2010, I will be the first to give congrats to Seabass,..now that Im in row 1 everyone else can get in line. Word.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
I can’t believe you just said oh snap! I’ve seen that way too many times on here.
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I was just kiddin’ 24 …
“oh snap” is a Biz Markie trademark
just like “YOU PEOPLE” belongs to Florida Pete
and “JaWalrus” is mine
I think “McFumble” and “McFelldown” are both BSJ’s
February 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Even though I yelled at Seabass as a rookie, at candlestick when he choked,..I told him I was going to kill him in the parking lot,..I will apologize,..ten years later,..from row 1. Hey now.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Norco Bob Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Yes jhill, that part is true, I want every home game blacked out,…so do the raiders….especially al davis.
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You lying Mfkr. How does a dumb Mfkr like you speak for Al Davis?
Well…………..on second thought.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
wannaberocker,..know what mine is?…its,..Im in row 1 now biitch so get in line!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
I love blackouts, so do the raiders,..get over it old fool.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
hey old fool,..if you have a prob with the game not on tv,..go buy a ticket,..and stop crying. lol
February 16th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Norco Bob = One of the biggest morons that has ever graced this fine blog.
Get your transgender self out of here and let real men talk football – moron!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
February 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
RaiderRockstar – Wow. I didn’t know all that. Consider me enlightened.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Lol,..all you poor losers,..Im sorry that Im in row 1,..and youre not!!! get over it.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
this is the most WACK site in the world. I just completely broke down the nose tackle possibilites of the draft and posted it on this blog and the prior one, and they took it off. I guess if you are a bonafide troll, you can post at will. If you want to talk football, you are outta luck.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Krappy, as a high profile “Blog Personality”, you really need to clean up your language now that you’re going to have a wider audience.
What will all the young up-and-coming bloggers of the world think of your 2nd grade Oklahomian hillybilly speak? After all, you’re supposed to be a role model.
So let’s get it together, Krap Krap, you worthless old buzzard!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
couldn’t agree more Vegas!
can’t believe we cut Justin Miller. the dude was trying to play through turf toe in preseason and he was still a better KR than anybody else we tried out
bring JM back please
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No kidding. Just one of many blunders last offseason. It really bothered me watching JM having to struggle to make the team durring the last preseason game against Seattle when he was crippled with turf toe. We went from having aguably the best kick/punt return game in the league to the worst overnight.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Seymour Bush – Its a sick world.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
I guess they put it back up. hahaha.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Not only did we cut Justin Miller, we kept Nick Miller in his place. WTF?
February 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Anyone else watching curling?
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12 or 16 oz?
February 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Poor old fool kell,…been circling the drain for a while now,..al davis is just about to flush you away old kell,…by the way, that pic you forced on us,..you do look like a big fat turd!!!! hahahahaha!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Maybe the Raiders actually got confused and thought Nick Miller WAS Justin Miller? Hmmmmm.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Norco Bob – you’re an idiot. get ovah it. Child please…
Troll elsewhere lil’ girl.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Row 1 = Cheap Lame Ticket, Can’t see far end of field. Too Low.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Al Davis said…hey, keep that Miller guy, he’s good and he scores TD’s and John Herrera cut the wrong guy.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Where are your seats old man?….lol thought so!!!!…hahahahahaha!!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Maybe the Raiders actually got confused and thought Nick Miller WAS Justin Miller?
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LOL!
Al accidently cut Quinton Moses, remember?
February 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
And yes youre still invited for a game,..even though my neighbors down there will think I brought down the A lot parking attendant. lol
February 16th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Oh now Nancy,..play nice now…
February 16th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
I just completely broke down the nose tackle possibilites of the draft and posted it on this blog and the prior one, and they took it off.
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Sey Bush: I must have missed that. it was probably a good one
February 16th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Gosh,..why are all you mad at me nowadays?…cause I got in row 1?…you should be happy for me,..we are all Raider fans!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Gosh,..why are all you mad at me nowadays?…cause I got in row 1?…
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bob: i’m mad at you for taking your dog to the heavy petting zoo
February 16th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
I am very happy for you Bob!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Thanks 4eva,..you come join brian and I any game you want,..on me. Word.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
This fan-base sucks! It does…
Everyone that wears black talks about ‘Nation’ this, and ‘Nation’ that, but the facts are, this grouoing of fans cries, moans, bitc#es and is no where as dedicated as some others. Sectors of fans within this group fighting with others, its really sad and pitiful.
And, not to mention, they are dopey too. Raider fan, educate yourselves a tad. Stay in school and remember, crack kills…
February 16th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Norco Bob….as soon as I have 2 nickles to rub together I will….Thank You
February 16th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Just make it out here,..we got it all covered,..tailgate, row 1 seat,…we got all the booze, pills, pot…bar b q,..loud metal, and some rap for brian…all good.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
you may be a mother Nancy Gay,but not mine.Go preach to someone else
February 16th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Norco, I’m sure you have a great selection of pills, but better leave the bottle of Viagra at home.
If Krappy comes to your tailgate he’ll down the whole thing and then spend the entire game trying to hump the goal post.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
All old kell gets is his can of pork n beans,…might cut up a hot dog and stir it in there…:)
February 16th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
By the way, I got a DM today from Skip Bayless,…I think that makes about 10 famous people now that have sent me a direct message.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
sorry bob. you obviously didn’t understand the “heavy petting zoo” comment. it went WAY over your head!
heavy petting and petting zoo combine to suggest taboo human-to-animal interactions.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Better make it a Hebrew National – you know how finicky these “Blog Personalities” get with their food.
February 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
lol!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
^ I like sausages…
February 16th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
are you a Helen Reddy fan,Nancy…..I am woman hear me roar!!!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Please dont panic rocker,..I accidently missed your joke post,..my bad,..it was funny!!
February 16th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
5pm in Podunk. later gents!
February 16th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Someday I will ask where Podunk is.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Gotta jam, bros – I’m taking a few of my European ladies on a reggae boat cruise and then having an oyster eating contest in my bedroom.
But I’ll be back later for a Krappy “Blog Personality” Kell Classic Meltdown session this evening. He usually starts shredding the last of his dignity around 9:45, so tune in around 9:15 for the build up.
Please, only adults 18 years or older.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Good article out of K.C. Tom Cable should take a page out of Todd Haley’s book on how to talk about your embattled QB when talking to the press.
Chiefs’ Cassel has expectations as high as his salary
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star
Chiefs coach Todd Haley (right) says he is encouraged about where quarterback Matt Cassel is and about where the team is on offense.
Red Zone | Helping Cassel should be top priority
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“I can see him in that role,” Haley said. “I don’t have any doubt.”
That’s fortunate for Haley, because this year Cassel certainly will get paid like one of the NFL’s top quarterbacks. Cassel’s base salary of $11.75 million ranks third among 2010 projected starting quarterbacks, behind only former Super Bowl champions Manning of Indianapolis and Brett Favre of Minnesota.
Players are often compensated with bonuses given when a contract is signed and at other times, so base salaries tell only part of a player’s financial situation. Cassel, for instance, received a $10 million roster bonus last year and is due a $250,000 workout bonus this year, according to financial records obtained by The Kansas City Star.
But base pay often makes up the greatest portion of a player’s income in a given year. Next season, Cassel will draw a salary far in excess of that to be earned by Brees, who is to make about $6.5 million after leading New Orleans to the Super Bowl championship.
Cassel’s salary won’t be rivaled by any of his teammates currently under contract. The next-highest base salary is that of defensive lineman Glenn Dorsey, scheduled to make about $3.2 million.
“I’ve never been a guy who has cared about money,” Cassel said. “Just because you have a dollar figure and that’s what you make, that’s not the kind of person that I am. I’m a down-to-earth kind of guy, and everybody knows that. I’m probably still one of the cheapest guys you’ll ever meet, to be completely honest.
“There’s pressure, and I understand that. That’s what this position is. That’s part of what we signed up for. Everybody looks to you to be the leader. I wouldn’t have it any other way, you know. People have high expectations. I have high expectations for myself. I have high expectations for the Kansas City Chiefs. That just kind of goes along with the territory.”
In ranking third among NFL quarterbacks in base pay, Cassel is in some unfamiliar territory. Each of the five other highest-paid quarterbacks, all also making more than $9 million, has taken a team to multiple Super Bowls (Manning and Favre) or was a high draft pick (Cincinnati’s Carson Palmer, Atlanta’s Matt Ryan and Oakland’s JaMarcus Russell).
Down the list are Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger and New England’s Tom Brady. Each has guided his team to multiple Super Bowl titles and has been financially rewarded with fat bonuses.
Cassel, a starter for only two seasons, has never taken his team to the playoffs and was originally drafted by the Patriots in the seventh round in 2005. But the Chiefs have high expectations for him just the same.
“I’m really encouraged about Matt and where he’s at, and I’m encouraged about where we are as an offense,” Haley said.
Cassel was the 25th-rated quarterback last year, according to the NFL’s arcane passer-rating system. He was 20th in completions and 21st in touchdowns but was held back by a low completion percentage of 55.0 percent.
“We led the league in (dropped passes),” Haley said. “That created a little different perception of Matt.”
The Chiefs threw Cassel into a most difficult situation last season. Their receivers didn’t play well, the offensive line had problems, the running game was nonexistent until Jamaal Charles emerged at midseason, and defensive troubles left the Chiefs behind in many games.
All of that put pressure on Cassel. Haley said the Chiefs will try to provide more help next season, and pointed to the recent hiring of offensive coordinator Charlie Weis as evidence of their intent.
In this case, it’s all about the Chiefs protecting their investment.
“We’ve got to give some help to him, which we’ve done as far as coaching staff, but he needs additional players around him, too,” Haley said.
“We have a number of areas that have to be addressed as we continue to improve. Personnel on offense at a number of those positions is (among) those. We’ll do whatever we can with whatever is available, keeping in mind we have a whole team to try to improve. A lot of things can happen. Things don’t always go as you planned, and sometimes you have to make do.
“There are only so many things you can do. We felt like we exhausted all avenues (last year) that we had as far as what was available. We had a number of different areas — and still do — that we have to address on this team. So I don’t second-guess any of the decisions we made from a personnel standpoint.”
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February 16th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
As much as it would piss off Dick Seymour, the most prudent thing to do is franchise him, wait to see what happens with the labor deal and go from there.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Lol…silly old fool kell,…cant seem to humiliate himself enough,…great entertainment though!!
February 16th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Nope,..now that Im in row 1, I get better info,..Seymour will get a 3 year deal, 4th year club option,…about a 25 million dollar bonus,…word.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
I would make him highest paid player, make him overall team captain…superbowl time…and I will see it all unfold from row 1!
February 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Seymour needs to prove that hes worth a big contract. The franchise tag would force him to play harder for that contract hopefully. If he doesn’t understand that, then he doesn’t understand business. Hes gonna get $13 million for the year…thats not bad money.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Nope,…hes getting a 3 year deal,…and I should know, Im in row 1!
February 16th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Seymour might have done well in Belichicks scheme but now he has to prove that he can be just as successful in our scheme if he wants the money. 4 sacks? Average on stopping the run? We need more than that.
February 16th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
a taliban military commander ? haha not possible
February 16th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
thats like sayin . hey there goes a f a g g o t christian
February 16th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Seymour looking for his retirement money from the Raiders. Hmmmm, another star player just collecting a paycheck????
February 16th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
wow KK just made sense!!
February 16th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Enough with the row 1 talk Bob.
Act like you’ve been there before.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
The Chiefs threw Cassel into a most difficult situation last season. Their receivers didn’t play well, the offensive line had problems, the running game was nonexistent until Jamaal Charles emerged at midseason, and defensive troubles left the Chiefs behind in many games.
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Substitute Cassell for Russell and Chiefs for Raiders and see what happens.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
24 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Seymour needs to prove that hes worth a big contract. The franchise tag would force him to play harder for that contract hopefully.
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The gamble that teams take is Richard can always yell “Oh my hammy!!!” He then plays a half, rests for 8 weeks, plays another quarter, and shuts it down for the year. $13+mm for about 18 snaps, damn that’s good money.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Vegas….If I had those seats,I would die from lack of oxygen from screaming it from sea to shining sea
February 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
S. Bush
Yeah Seymour could do that. He could sign a long term deal and do that as well.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
I used to cringe when Seabass would lineup for a FG attempt, but I must admit I’ve done a 180. Hell, Jano was about the only one worth a damn last year…
February 16th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Vegas….
I saw a blurb from tmz.com, via raidernews.com . That Yvonne Walker is back in your town…
February 16th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Well Iv never been there before, so I am acting apropriatly.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
S. Bush
Yeah Seymour could do that. He could sign a long term deal and do that as well.
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Not really. The trade off on these tag deals is the athlete wants a bigger money, longer term deal. But, that doesn’t all come in the first year. Normally those deals are more backloaded. So, if he signs a long term deal, and starts belly aching or doesn’t play, a team could outright him after a year or so, and he might only get 60-70% of what he got if he were franchised. And then other teams would have to step up and take a chance on an “injured” player who hasn’t been out there. Probably won’t happen and certainly not for big bucks.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
With a long-term deal Seymour would most certainly get 30+ Million guaranteed.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
who cares boit the chefs??!!
February 16th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
30 million is nothing to a billionaire old fool!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Why cant we get Wisniewski 2 help coach our O line?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Dooofus Boob
What the hell do YOU know about money?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Oh old fool,..having another angry day today?…whats todays probs old man?
February 16th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Come join me in row 1 you old cranky man,..might cheer you up.
February 16th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Doofus Boob
Nobody here is interested in your nonsense. People come here to talk Raider football. Can’t you find something else to do?
February 16th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
With a long-term deal Seymour would most certainly get 30+ Million guaranteed.
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While you are certainly correct that players are now going for guaranteed money, guys that are getting $30mm guaranteed are guys like Haynesworth or Peppers who are a little younger, slightly better and signed contracts worth almost $100mm, $30mm of which would be guaranteed. Of a $40mm contract maybe $15mm would be guaranteed. And think of it, $40mm is $10mm a year for four years. That’s not a bad contract for Richard Seymour.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Oh,..is this just a blog for cranky old men?…lol…cranky old men that post personal info of themselves?…lol
February 16th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Seymour will get a 3 year deal, Al Davis option for 4th,..and I should know, Im in row 1!
February 16th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
http://www.bet.com/video/350948
February 16th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
By the way old kell,…you said this is a blog where people come to talk raider football,..but just a bit ago you were posting taliban news,..guess its ok for you to post about other things,..geez, old people are so weird.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
san jose dude,..whats that of?…I dont click on links here.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Bobbo?
You never answered.
How can you buy ganja weekly, travel to otherwise not so worldly places, while continuing to buy season tickets, if, as you have stated, you have no job?
Ok…a more pressing question…have you ever been on The Good Ship Lollipop…which is not to be confused with Peppermint Bay?
February 16th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
I save my welfare checks.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
History suggest Al Davis will have a big time contract for Richard Seymour before the deadline just as he accomplished the same thing for Lechler and Asomugha last year. Too much pride to trade for that guy and watch him walk away somehow.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Here you go 408, you live in the best city and I live in the worst, lol
http://www.gallup.com/poll/125864/Among-Cities-San-Jose-Top-2009.aspx
February 16th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
After a rough start, J Kow’s settled in and given the Raiders a pretty stable kicking game. LOVE how he leads in touch backs most years too. Exciting to see him boot 60 yarders too.
Good job J Kow and congrats.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
San Jose is the best?…great!…I was born there!
February 16th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Where you at san jose dude?…King/Story?
February 16th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
YOU PEOPLE:
Condo is an Oakland Raider
I don’t care if he replaces friggin Tom Cable as Head Coach. he’s THAT GOOD
you keep the players that produce – PERIOD
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I fully agree, he is among the best snappers in the league, he is why seabass is good, and certainly why lechler keeps such a high standard…
Furthermore Jon Condo was a huge part of Cable’s first win, a trick-play, snap from Condo on a special teams play, snapped it to Alston an he ran it way down field, oh and Condo made some huge blocks on that play aswell…
Condo is the 3rd most important man on our special teams, and a close 2nd behind Lechler and Seabass…
February 16th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
You got that right La Melissa.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Ok…I’m from San Jose and I finally moved away from that city of hell and into San Diego (Death to the Chargers). San Diego is awesome and San Jose is dreadful. I seriously don’t believe that article. Its too hot and too cold, theres not enough entertainment as the city lacks terribly, the prices are too flippin high due to the Yahoo’s and the Google’s that reside there and the people are stuck up and angry.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
oh and btw, Jon Condo would be tendered by any team if we let him go, he was a pro bowl snapper this year…
do you guys remember how the season went for the eagels and steelers, when those teams lost their LS, they had a sure run for the playoffs and effed it up.. eagles I believe was in 2007 and steelers in 2008.. but im not sure of the dates/years…
February 16th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
bwahahaha… Seabass contract has made it to danish mainstream news… the raiders NEVER gets into the mainstream news LOL
February 16th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
24
I like San Diego, but 5 is the only N-S freeway, right? How’s the traffic?
But I love the feel of SD.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
San Diego sucks,..illegal alien criminals on every corner. San Jose way better.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Old kell, you should buy san diego, then charge us all to visit it. lol
February 16th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
KoolKell – 5, 805, 15 and the 163 run N-S. The traffic has been pretty good. Each freeway has its own times so its hard to say. I know that 5 north is busy in the morning and busy in the afternoon. It has congestion areas elsewhere but they’re not extreme or anything. It all depends on the accidents.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Hey old kell, wasnt it you just a bit ago saying this was a place to talk raider football?…has that recently been changed to whats the best city talk?…lol…silly old man.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
KoolKell
http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=San+Diego&state=CA&country=US&latitude=32.715302&longitude=-117.156403&geocode=CITY
February 16th, 2010 at 5:49 pm
We can’t sniff a playoff game, but we have a better punter and kicker than the rest of the league! Hooray! Sure hope we throw some more money at guys like Javon Walker for sitting the bench and Stanford Routt for getting torched for long TDs his whole professional career. I watch the games just like everyone else. I just remember what I see because I’m not baked in Momma’s basement. When we struggle to win 6 games a year until Al Davis admits he’s the problem (dies), at least we can take solace in knowing that we had the highest paid kickers in the history of the game as we endured humiliating futility as the laughingstock of all professional sports.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Believe it or not, San Jose seemed worse than San Diego in terms of illegal alien status. Most people who get across the border don’t want to stay close to the border so they don’t stay in SD. There are A LOT in San Jose.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
I like the signing just win!!…its a great day!…
February 16th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Yes I know that 24,..on king/story!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
24
Yeah ok. I’ve never seen a lot of traffic, but……..love the Del Coronado, and the Mexican food.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
“But I love the feel of san diego”…classic old kell quote,…keep em coming you old loony!!
February 16th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Some guys on here remember how bad Oaklands kicking game was before J Kow and how many close games we lost because of it.
Glad he’s here.
far as Davis paying “too muc” and making guys the richest at their position I wonder if its Al setting the bar for everyone else or just that he’s signing them first and the leaps are just what guys get paid now. Everyone sh-at when he made Tommy Kelly the highest paid DT (hasn’t earned it) but then it was suprpassed and as Jerry mentioned you’ve got Fat Albert getting a $100 mill.
KNEW Albert was a rip off. Played balls out contract year and I’m not sure he EVER played an entire season.
Knew we wouldn’t and glad we didn’t.
Like Seymour.
Lot of personal fouls against him and I liked it.
Didn’t take crap and meted out punishment to bishes who tried to chop him or get cute.
Wish he was more vocal though and called out bishes who slack.
We need a team leading azz kicker like Ray Ray for the Ravens or like Gannon when he was here.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Hahaha,..old kell,..we think youre awesome man!!!…lol
February 16th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
You should run for mayor of san diego old kell. lol
February 16th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Your slogan can be,.”I love the feel of san diego”…lmao
February 16th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
I understand that statistics won’t show “illegal alien” information but San Jose is a much more diverse and multi cultural city than San Diego.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Even though they all would think youre the janitor of the city hall there.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
24,..is that a good or bad thing,…just checking,..unsure your point. (Norco)
February 16th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
KoolKell – Del Coronado is awesome. Thats where I’d like to get married.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
I’m not going to tie up the blog with Boob’s nonsense. But, is it fair to say, I own this tard?
February 16th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Norco – Its irrelevant in terms of good or bad but I’m showing you that more diversity has found its way moving farther from the border and into places like San Jose instead.
February 16th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Yes you do!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
I left SJ bout 10 years ago,..I miss it,..I hope it misses me.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Now now old kell,..you tried to not mention me,..but failed,..get over it!! lol
February 16th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
You just have to wonder what the “shareholders” of the Raiders are thinking when Al Davis spends their money.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
24, They do the grandest brunches on Sunday that I’ve ever seen, in that room with the spectacular hand-crafted ceiling.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
lol…greatest brunches,…..hand crafted ceilings,..lol…it keeps getting better every day,..thank you old man!
February 16th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
KoolKell – Haven’t had a chance to do that yet, I’ve been so freakin broke since I moved here. Its been tough getting on my feet.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
24, dont worry, old kell can float you a million or so,..all good.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Dont let his look fool you,…he may look like the custodian, but in reality hes a millionaire.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
I don’t know why you guys always argue. I guess this is your way of taking it out on someone other then your wives or girlfriends I guess. Gotta go somewhere and let off some steam with the least resistance haha.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Bingo!
February 16th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
If football teams were judged by kicker salaries instead of wins, my raiders would be the envy of all others. Feels good to be on top again!
February 16th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Baby,..they are highest paid because they are the best!…ya dig?
February 16th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
You can’t possibly draft a kicker #1 and not give him #1 kicker money eventually right?
February 16th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Hes the best kicker in the league 24,..shouldnt he be paid as one? Word.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Sonofabi,…the library is closing,..if someone at the shelter has a laptop I will see you guys later,…I hate leaving,..the sadness….
February 16th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Speaking of shareholders, why would anyone invest in the Raiders the way they’re setup?
February 16th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Yeah, I get that, but it just seems askew to me. We suck, but our kickers are good. I would trade them both for eleven wins and an average kicking game.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Just Win Baby – Well you’re right but we have to be happy and look on the bright but in the grand scheme of things, you’re absolutely right. I’d rather have a better team then the highest paid kicker.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Janikowski broke the record for longest field goal in Raiders history with a 61 yarder so…thats why hes getting paid I guess. I’m still surprised that after all this time, he has yet beat the NFL record. I believe its 63.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
He just started making the long ones this year. Before that he hit the upright 9 out of 10 times.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
it IS 63yds, held by two guys… elam and some other dude..
February 16th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Speaking of shareholders, why would anyone invest in the Raiders the way they’re setup?
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Buy low??
February 16th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
before this season, Joe nedney (whom he replaced) has been better…
still, Al will never be able to justify picking him in the first round
February 16th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
What, waiting for Davis to die?
February 16th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
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February 16th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
I love having Seabass and Lechler on the team as much as anyone else, but we have to evaluate this a bit further:
For our two kickers, we have given out 18 million guaranteed and 32 total. I believe that we’d be much better off with two Rookie UFAs at PK and P making near the league minimum and using the remaining bulk of that 32 million to invest in the best OT, DT, or LB that can be found. I would rather have ONE elite DT or OT than the best punter and kicker in the league.
Think about it… how many points per game does Janikowski average? How many per game does Lechler’s net average prevent? Wouldn’t you rather use their salaries to try to build an offensive line that could actually get some first downs and maybe, just MAYBE result in a few more touchdowns? To me, that’s worth having an average ST unit in terms of kicking and punting.
Plus, we could try to put #2 behind a good line so he can have one last chance to try to be an NFL QB. If he fails behind a good line, no more excuses… if he succeeds, I’d gladly eat crow for every insult I’ve ever spewed about him, but as long as Al’s priorities are “Skill Positions” instead of the men in the trenches, we’ll have this endless cycle of useless arguing with no way of knowing who’s really right about whether #2 sucks or not. (FYI, he does).
That talk about the guaranteed money and our PK and P salary MIGHT not matter this year because of a lack of CBA making it a capless year… but it’s far from being a moot point, because there will be a CBA again within the next four years and those cap numbers to which I refer WILL matter. Oh well, maybe #2 will spend the offseason improving his footwork and hands so we can move him to LT and let Gradkowski have the keys to the offense. Nah, that’d never work… JaMarcus could never learn the blocking schemes.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Raiders have to take their good players where they can get them. Kickers, are the only things they’ve been able to develop recently.
February 16th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
So the Raiders now have the highest paid kicker and punter in league history……. Seems about right.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
The signings of Janikowski and Lechler make strengthening the defense so that the Raiders can properly take adantage of Janikowksi and Lechler.
What good is a championship punter if the defense gives all the yards back….a defense that keeps the field short makes Janikowksi more valuable.
So fix the defense. A great place to start is Dan Williams out of Tennessee
February 16th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Great point!
February 16th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Krappy, you are right on target for another classic blog meltdown!
This will be your first as an official “Blog Personality” so I expect it will be extra special.
Can’t wait for the implosion, you old goat!!
February 16th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
@ KoolKell:
That was my first post, but I’ve been reading this blog and the comments contained therein for a few months now, so I believe that I’m familiar enough with you to make this statement: How can the person who continuously posted the losing records of the past seven seasons for over two weeks POSSIBLY make a statement like the one you just made in reply to mine? If you really want to stop losing, then you can’t support the team having to “take their good players where they can get them” if that comes at the expense of a solution. Are you actually saying that you support the Al Davis policy of paying a fortune to the punter and kicker because they’re great rather than throwing their salaries back into the pool of available funds to use to make improvements on the OL and DL? It sure sounds like you’re agreeing with an A.D. philosophy of losing there, Kell. No offense meant… I just don’t see your rationale, considering your vehement opposition to the culture of losing and the policies which have led the team to where it sits now. If you pay attention to the deeper meaning of what you just said and its true implication, you’ve basically done a 180 without realizing it.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
it IS 63yds, held by two guys… elam and some other dude..
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Tom Dempsey of the Saints. He had the front of his foot amputated, so his shoe was flat in the front. Perfect for a straight on kicker.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
BTW, bros – a little advice the next time any of you party on a reggae cruise with 3 Danish runway models – bring plenty of sunscreen!
And not for the ladies, for yourself – I found that these wildcats wanted my clothes off at all times, so I had to protect the, uh, royal jewels, if you know what I mean.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
SteveAlford21
My rationale for that statement is that, a proven player is worth 2 potentials in the bush. Lechler and Jano are good. Trusting Al Davis to replace them, not so good.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
What a horrible off season so far. 7th straight year of 11 or more losses, no improvement from the previous season, no change in upper management or the head coach position.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Jon Condo needs to be let go…………………….period.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
We are one cheap long snapper away from another trophy.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
BTW, Rickey Henderson is one fast Filipino. No Joe Rudi, though.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
trade BSJ for a football fan…
he needs to stay, and we need to lock him up for the next 7 years………………………….Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Senior Beeecham Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
BTW, bros – a little advice the next time any of you party on a reggae cruise with 3 Danish runway models – bring plenty of sunscreen!
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LOL good for you!! yeah we have some of the worlds most beautiful women…
February 16th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
trade BSJ for a football fan…
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Sorry, soccer is for Elton John and his admirers.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Point taken, Kell. However, I’m saying that although I agree that P and PK are valuable positions, the expense here isn’t worth the detriment that it brings on the ability to upgrade other areas. What I’m stating is that we don’t NEED to replace them, at least not with the same caliber of player skill-wise. I’m saying that I would be more than happy with average or even slightly BELOW-average punting and placekicking if it meant that we could get one elite OL or DL or two midlevel players in those areas.
In economics, it’s a cost-benefit analysis. The benefit of having the the best punter and one of the best kickers in the league do not outweigh the costs in terms of available capital for use in upgrading other positions (in my opinion).
February 16th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
BSJ..
I truly hope you are joking about your statements about Condo… if not how I admire you football knowledge and views really have to be diminished…
February 16th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
3 Danish runway models
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Bjørn, Jens and Regner?
February 16th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
KK,seems the Raiders have a few bucks,after all, You say Al is broke, selling off bits of the team ,needs cash,etc.Well I think you should re think that position,dont think Big Al is worried after this signing of Seabass,would you agree? After all, kickers are a dime a dozen,right?
February 16th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
Giving 2 kickers 2 record contracts is the type of thing losing franchises do. Bottom line. Just more evidence to the fact that Al Davis has lost his mind and is no longer capable of running my sons Pee Wee team let alone an NFL club.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
LMN, I was (as admitted in an earlier post) stirring the hornet’s nest with my Condo posts. I even said fire Jim Otto. lol
BTW, “stirring the hornet’s nest” means provoking an argument.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
a repost, for BSJ sake..
Condo is among the best snappers in the league, he is why seabass is good, and certainly why lechler keeps such a high standard…
Furthermore Jon Condo was a huge part of Cable’s first win, a trick-play, snap from Condo on a special teams play, snapped it to Alston an he ran it way down field, 22yds, oh and Condo made some huge blocks on that play aswell…
Condo is the 3rd most important man on our special teams, and a close 2nd behind Lechler and Seabass…
oh and btw, Jon Condo would be tendered by any team if we let him go, he was a pro bowl snapper this year…
do you remember how the season went for the eagels and steelers, when those teams lost their LS, they had a sure run for the playoffs and effed it up.. eagles eff-up, was in 2007 I believe, and steelers in 2008.. but im not sure of the dates/years…
February 16th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
LMN, I was (as admitted in an earlier post) stirring the hornet’s nest with my Condo posts. I even said fire Jim Otto. lol
BTW, “stirring the hornet’s nest” means provoking an argument.
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ohhhh, thank lord! now everything is in its place again!
February 16th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
The Raiders have among the worst WR, QB, OL, and DL units in the league and Al Davis’s answer in 2 consecutive years is to give record deals to the kickers. Brilliant!!
February 16th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
3 Danish runway models
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Bjørn, Jens and Regner?
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Bwahahahhaa, I know of ONE male model, and several female… I think we just get beautiful girls and ugly men around here =) LOL
btw, I havent heard about a regner in several hundred years….
February 16th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Condo is among the best snappers in the league, he is why seabass is good,
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Nothing like a late-evening oversimplification…
February 16th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
SteveAlford21
I’m saying that I would be more than happy with average or even slightly BELOW-average punting and placekicking if it meant that we could get one elite OL or DL or two midlevel players in those areas.
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Yeah, but would you trust Al Davis’ ability to take the saved money and actually produce an elite Olineman?
I don’t, what would probably happen, is that we’d lose Lechler and get an over-priced paycheck collector in return.
Better to keep the bird in hand, imo.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
What a horrible off season so far. 7th straight year of 11 or more losses, no improvement from the previous season, no change in upper management or the head coach position.
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Prior to Last year the Cinncinatti Bung-holes did nothing. Their win totals decreased the prior three years, they lost Houshmanzadeh, people were clamoring for Marv Lewis’ head. They still did nothing. They won the AFC North division. Maybe a tiny bit of continuity might help around here.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
Condo needs to change his name back to Condeaux….he is clearly Belgian. What a wuss.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
Did I type Regner? I meant Magnus.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Also, for the record: I’d rather see Condo get a contract that sets a record for longsnappers and have him snapping for Rookie UFAs at P and PK that make the league minimum than see us have the best P and PK of ALL-TIME when the P and PK come with record pricetags. Great longsnapping can make a decent punter great and can add valuable percentage points to a PK’s accuracy just by dent of having the ball where it needs to be earlier and consistently.
How many Superbowl champions owe their winning it all to their kicker and/or punter? None that I can think of. How many owe it all to their offensive line allowing the skill players time to produce or to their defensive line dominating the line of scrimage and keeping the other teams’ offenses on the bench? More so than not.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Bengals have a real #1 RB, QB and WR. Raiders have none of the above.
February 16th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Belgian!
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/89750462.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D0CFD8B8CEDCD5983E57552B9FEBC3C0482956E5DA2056BC2AE30A760B0D811297
February 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
oh well its late here, 0500, and no valid football talk, so I might as well find my sled dogs and hit home…
February 16th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Would wager you could add the salaries of the kickers and punters for both the Saints and Colts and they wouldnt equal either Lechler or SeaBass
February 16th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Steve Alford? Curious nick for a Belgian apologist. Mancrush?
February 16th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Bo, it’s not a nick.. it’s actually my real name. Maybe I should trade DMAC for a good nickname…?
February 16th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Raider Ron says:
“The Raiders have among the worst WR, QB, OL, and DL units in the league and Al Davis’s answer in 2 consecutive years is to give record deals to the kickers. Brilliant!!”
Post of the day! I was thinking same thing. Al’s really fixing all the problems. How does this improve the Raiders???
February 16th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Johnny,
It dznt. Improving the Raiders is not an Al Davis thang. Hes the same guy that refuses to fix either line and drafts skill players year after year after year while trying to patch the lines with journeyman and dudes off the street.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Seymour, sorry, but the Bengals didn’t go 7 years straight with 11 or more losses. In fact, nobody in the history of the league has.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Kell, I’m not talking about a Tommy Kelly kind of deal here. I’m talking about using that saved money to bring in a proven veteran from another team for either of our lines. Ironically, letting Seabass go would have given us the right to pick up some very good Restricted Free Agents because we lost a tenured one ourselves. That way, we wouldn’t be overpaying a fat, lazy, P.O.S. like Kelly… we could actually pick up an established commodity instead of claiming linemen off the trash-heap and throwing them into a patchwork line that allegedly is suited to players of any skill level as long as they’re “quick and smart,” a la the abomination of an offensive line that we have now. We wouldn’t have to worry about Al being able to scout or evaluate talent if he was only seeking to get the highest rated RT (for example) available, no matter what the price tag, even if it meant surrendering draft picks to the RFA’s team.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Seymour, sorry, but the Bengals didn’t go 7 years straight with 11 or more losses. In fact, nobody in the history of the league has.
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yeah and the Bungholes haven’t been to a Super Bowl in over 20 years either. We have the year before that 7 year streak.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Al should of signed Nate Kaeding instead.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:42 pm
Sorry for being pedantic, Lynn… but it just kills me when people do that. It needs to be like this: “Al should HAVE signed Nate Kaeding instead.”
HAVE.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Seymour must of played for the Raiders. Only excuse for dropping “we” when talking of the Raiders.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Yeah what i said , Steve.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Also acceptable is the contraction from which your confusion comes: “Al should’VE signed Nate Kaeding instead.” It sounds pretty much the same as what you typed if you say it out loud, but there’s one fundamental difference: One makes grammatical sense and the other is more ignorant than JaMarcus Russell at an offensive gameplanning session.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:46 pm
He should’ve signed Kaeding?
Kaeding is great in the regular season, but has been awful in the playoffs. He’d be perfect for the Raiders.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Sarcasm , ever hear of it?
February 16th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Considering the Raiders are never and untill Al Davis dies(fingers crossed) will never be in the playoffs. Kaeding would be perfect.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
There’s only one thing left for Seabass now, and that’s to kick one 64+.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
sorry , have you ever heard of it.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Sarcasm? Never heard of such a thing. What is it?
February 16th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
I’m worst at what I do best
February 16th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
Anybody ever heard of the saying, specialteams is 1/3 of the game? Crying about top notch money for a top notch kicker is wasted energy. Better to have a great kicking game than not, trust me.
Also if didn’t notice how they never put Nick Miller on IR or waive him to the practice squad tells me one thing someone other than the Raiders was very interested in that player. Otherwise you don’t protect him like that. Someone must have wanted him besides the Raiders.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
64+? Think like Lane Kiffin: Seabass should be shooting for the 75-yarder. I really wish he’d made that one so Kiffin could’ve kept the HC job. That way, we’d still be a running team and maybe JaMarcus’s inability to read a defense or throw an accurate pass more than seven yards downfield wouldn’t be as much of a liability.
I think Cable made the passing game a priority so that #2 could have more of a chance to fail sooner (deservedly so, considering a 3rd year QB should know the playbook and come to camp in shape), giving Cable a chance to put in his own guy at QB and throwing off the BRL saddle. I see that as a brilliant strategy, but I DO wonder if maybe JR would be a bit better of a QB by now if Kiffin had stayed at the helm to keep the ball on the ground the majority of the way and ease JR into the pro game, taking baby steps all the way. I hate #2’s lack of work ethic and commitment, but I sympathize anyway. Hopefully, he’ll prove me wrong… but I find myself more often than not wishing that he’d just walk away from the game now and stop wasting our time and the prime years of a few of the Raiders’ careers with his lack of progression.
February 16th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Best case scenario would be to give Seymour the franchise tag and a one year deal.
They could cut Warren and replace him with Bryant, who has had another year to pack on some pounds and learn the pro game, or grab a stud DT with one of their early picks in the draft.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
Nice post #235 Priesttj. Tell the San Diego Dischargers how important the kicking game is right about now.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
SteveAlford21,
You used Tom Cable and brilliant strategy in the same train of thought.
I’ll let it go just this once.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Priest, Special Teams IS 1/3 of the game… but that refers to Special Teams as a WHOLE, not just two players. The Punter and Place Kicker are NOT 100% of Special Teams. Do you see the fallacy of your assertion now? A top notch kicker doesn’t make enough of a difference over an average kicker to warrant a record deal when there are glaring deficiencies in plenty of other areas that have more effect than Seabass on the outcomes of games and there is a limited supply of money or a cap to come (if not this season, definitely within the next four). You sound like the kind of guy whose rims are worth more than his car and you rationalize it by saying, “A whip’s gotta have wheels, yo.”
February 16th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
# NorthernD Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Best case scenario would be to give Seymour the franchise tag and a one year deal.
They could cut Warren and replace him with Bryant, who has had another year to pack on some pounds and learn the pro game, or grab a stud DT with one of their early picks in the draft.
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Gerard Warren has played better than most of you guys give him credit for. Next year will be his 10th year in the league. He won’t be around for ever. Right now would be a nice time to grab a Cam Thomas or Lamar Houston to supplement the Dline.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Priest,
Been reading on here how you think Jamarcus Russell is head and shoulders better than Mark Sanchez. I am curious how you came to this conclusion. What makes Jamarcus so much better than Sanchez?
February 16th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Seymour Bush,
He played better the year prior.
I think he hit the wall last year. He’s a glorified blocking sled now.
Either he, or TK has to go. There’s no way they can stop the bleeding versus the running game if both of them come back.
Warren would be cheaper to cut loose than TK.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Seymore, if the Chargers spent as much as our beloved Raiders did on P and K, they never would have gotten to the playoffs to be let down by their kicker. They’d be just like the Raiders… watching the playoffs at home on their couches, saying to themselves, “At least we have the best kicking game in the league! Our kicker would’ve made that field goal!” every time a team misses one… without ever acknowledging the silent shame of the knowledge that we have no way of knowing if that’s true or not… because our kicker hasn’t seen postseason football from a helmet’s view for seven years.
I’d take a playoff loss due to missed field goals over 5-11 with an 89% regular-season kicker ANY day.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
# NorthernD Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Seymour Bush,
He played better the year prior.
I think he hit the wall last year. He’s a glorified blocking sled now.
Either he, or TK has to go. There’s no way they can stop the bleeding versus the running game if both of them come back.
Warren would be cheaper to cut loose than TK.
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I actually don’t agree with that. I think our problem in stopping the run has been more with the LB corp and poor tackling in the 2ndary, than it has been the horses up front. Mainly the LB corp.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Alright fellow Raider fans, it’s past midnight here in Virginia and it’s time to close the tattoo shop for the night. Have a good night everyone. No matter what details about the team on which we disagree, I’m sure we can all agree with this sentiment: Go Raiders!
February 16th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
If your relying on the secondary to make tackles your front 7 is not doing their job. That is fact. Name one time that either Tommy Kelly or Warren has played on a good D.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Seymore, if the Chargers spent as much as our beloved Raiders did on P and K, they never would have gotten to the playoffs to be let down by their kicker.
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Steve, when I look at the Raider roster I see areas that need some major improvement, but I don’t see a lot of dead money. In fact I see some pretty good young players.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
It’s hard to constantly finish near the bottom in run defence and have only one problem to fix.
I agree, the LB’s have been terrible at times. Way too many missed tackles.
I would love to see McLain as the first pick, but I doubt that will happen.
But having a difference maker at DT would make evryone better.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
@ Seymore:
I’m glad I refreshed one last time before shutting down. Pretty good young players don’t win division titles without seasoned, talented veterans to lead them and teach them. With all the cash we tied up in a few players, we can’t add enough people to groom and instruct our young guys with all their potential. I’m afraid that our roster’s potential might just go to waste and there will be nothing to show for it five years from now.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I actually don’t agree with that. I think our problem in stopping the run has been more with the LB corp and poor tackling in the 2ndary, than it has been the horses up front. Mainly the LB corp.
yeah the LB corp is pretty bad, but when O-linemen are getting to the 2nd level and rb’s are getting a full head of steam its on the d-line. there is a reason why gibril wilson and branch had 100+ tkls.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Ron, do you know anything about football? if you do you should know the answer.
Steve/Alford, hah! lol just your name alone says it all. Look when you can’t count on a kicker it changes how you play offense in the redzone. A punter changes field position just as a returner does for offense a punter tremendously helps your defense. A kicker can be the difference between some points and NO POINTS!! get it? It changes the way you play offense.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Well NorthernD I wanted Sedrick Ellis with the Dmac pick. So, that would tell you what I think about our Dline, and what I thought of Sedrick Ellis, who BTW, now owns a world championship ring. The Raider coaching staff will say the issue with our defense is the big plays they give up. That is definitely the problem with the Defense. The Defense can play well at times, but then give up the big play or big gain at inopportune times. I attribute that to poor linebacker play (not shedding blocks, over running plays) and when you have to have a tackle in the 2ndary, rarely, if ever, does the DB make the tackle. Result: HHHUUUUUUUUUUUGGEEE Gain. Or more likely, Six.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
Priest, yeah I do actually, thats why I ask the question. Seriously bro, what does Russell do that makes him better than Sanchez?
February 16th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
RaiderRon Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
If your relying on the secondary to make tackles your front 7 is not doing their job.
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Gonna call you on that.
One of the biggest problems the Raiders have is long runs of 11+ yards.
A lot of those yards are caused because the DB’s are locked up in man-to-man and have their backs to the play.
The Tampa 2 became popular because the DB’s always kept the play in front of them and it cut down on the number of long runs.
Everyone on defence must be able to step up and make the tackle.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
Seymour Bush,
You sound like a smart guy. I wanted Ellis over DMAC too.
And Ngata instead of Huff.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Priest, we aren’t talking about the red zone… any kicker who can’t be counted on for field goals of less than 38 yards (distance from a kick when the L.O.S. is the 20) shouldn’t be in the NFL to start with. How many times did we have to depend on Janikowski in the red zone this past season? Yeah, exactly. You’ve ruined your own point. The 9 million up front that was given to Janikowski could have been used to secure a pretty darned good lineman to help the offense get inside the red zone a bit more often. Let me try to break this down very simply for you so that you can understand it: We gave a boatload of money to a kicker with a monster leg because we can’t get inside the red zone… and we can’t get inside the red zone because the money that we could’ve used to obtain better linemen has been given to a punter and a kicker for the past two years. Do you understand now or do you need some pictures?
February 16th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
99% of the raiders’ problem is on the line of scrimmage. period!
February 16th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
# raideredoutL.A. Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I actually don’t agree with that. I think our problem in stopping the run has been more with the LB corp and poor tackling in the 2ndary, than it has been the horses up front. Mainly the LB corp.
yeah the LB corp is pretty bad, but when O-linemen are getting to the 2nd level and rb’s are getting a full head of steam its on the d-line. there is a reason why gibril wilson and branch had 100+ tkls.
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Not neccesarily. Troy Palomalu and Ed Reed will have over 100 tackles themselves. The LB HAS to read and beat his man to the point of attack. If he doesn’t or over runs the play, then, yes, the Olman seals it up, and now you have to have your 2ndary come up and make the play. That is why the Raiders drafted both Huff and Michael Mitchell. They want a sure tackling safety back there. But almost all defenses are designed for the DL to take on blockers and the LB’s to come in and clean up. Almost every designed defense is that way. Other than the (Dallas Cowboy) Jimmy Johnson “hitman” defense. The LB’s have to read and react and beat their man to the point of attack.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Neither Ed Reed or Palamalu have ever had 100 tackles. Why let facts get in the way of a good story though, right.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Also, there is no concern about changing the way you play offense when you’re already just trying to do the best you can with second or third tier offensive linemen. The difference in Janikowski’s leg and an average kicker’s leg roughly translates to one field goal attempt rather than a punt (because he has more distance) in every two games. Of field goals at that distance, Janikowski was 6 of 8 this year. That means that 25% of those kicks that we can attempt because of his power ended up far worse than a pooch punt would have left us. The six that he made comes out to 18 points over 16 games. That means that our offensive output is just a little over one point per game better with Janikowski than it would be with an accurate kicker with less power. Is 9 million up front worth one point per game instead of getting a big, powerful lineman with that bonus and seeing how many points worth of improvement can be gained with the extra yardage the offense could garner, both in terms of getting touchdowns and in terms of short field goals? No. In summation, you’re an idiot who doesn’t understand economics, statistics, or football.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
@ Seymore:
I’m glad I refreshed one last time before shutting down. Pretty good young players don’t win division titles without seasoned, talented veterans to lead them and teach them.
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What you are saying here is completely correct. The problem with the Raiders over the last few years is who are the leaders? Randy Moss? Aaron Brooks? Kiffin? Daunte Culpepper? Lamont Jordan? Jerry Porter? Derrick Burgess? I mean LOOK AT THOSE NAMES! Kerry Collins? We have had a dearth of veteran leadership on this team for five or six years. I don’t know if we can just go out and hire Ray Lewis or Peyton Manning to come in here and try to lead. Guys have to realize they are tired of losing and develop that skill here.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
That last post was to Priest, FYI.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
RaiderRon, just how football challenned are you? Any ignorant football observer knows the Jets have one of the best Olines and running games in the league. They also have very decent WR’s and TE’s. He had everything a young QB needs around him. He still loooked like he could see past his Oline. He was wildly inaccurate and sometimes it looked like he didn’t know who was playing with him or against him.
Everyone knows that a running game and a Oline are a QB’s best friends that’s why Ryan and Flacc looked as good as they did as rookies. Now I expect him to be better next year but don’t count on it. Look at what happened to Cassell when he wnet from the protection of NE to the exposure of KC he looked like crap on a stick. It’s just in this mentally football challenged arena that fans just don’t get that a QB can only be as good as the talent around him. A great QB can make average talent lok somewhat better but a stuggling young QB with bad talent sround will look TERRIBLE. He had great talent around him and was HORRIBLE.
Gapiche???
February 16th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
# RaiderRon Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Neither Ed Reed or Palamalu have ever had 100 tackles. Why let facts get in the way of a good story though, right.
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Don’t be a complete idiot dude. Of course they have but you don’t know anything. Grown people are talking here “Bronco” Ron. Why don’t you head back to the little kids table where you belong before you completely melt down and fritz your brain again.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
That is why the Raiders drafted both Huff and Michael Mitchell. They want a sure tackling safety back there.
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I think it has more to do with Al’s fetish for “knock-out” safeties than anything else. He’s still living in the days of George Atkinson and Jack Tatum.
Unfortunately, the rule changes now prevent clothesline tackle and helmet to helmet hits, so the days of the big bad Raider safeties are gone.
Would someone tell Al?
February 16th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Seymour,
What year did each have 100 tackles?
February 16th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
our DT’s are inconsistent and undisciplined, and 1 out of every 10 running plays are big gains because of that. NFL rb’s are too good to be running full speed through the LOS, makes everybody look bad, especially hiram eugene vs. willis mcgahee.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
And since Priest brought it up, I was named after my cousin… THAT Steve Alford. However, the fact that he was a basketball player doesn’t have any bearing on my knowledge of football. I played semi-pro for the Virginia Mutiny (a D.C. team) after I got out of the army. I was a cover corner and my jersey # was 21, hence the i.d. here. I injured my knee badly in only the second game after training camp and decided to quit before it got worse rather than take any more risk chasing a pipe dream. Tell me, Priest… what is your experience level as a player again? J.V. at your high school? Please enlighten me as to what your qualifications are for having an opinion that you wish to be taken seriously. Let me guess… you watch Sportscenter and NFLN every day and read a lot of blogs and listen to/call in to sportstalk radio shows, right? You’re a sad little wannabe that THINKS he knows what he’s talking about because you partially comprehend what the color announcers break down into idiot terminology for you.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
@ Seymore:
I’m glad I refreshed one last time before shutting down. Pretty good young players don’t win division titles without seasoned, talented veterans to lead them and teach them.
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Teach them how to cheat.
I’ve always thought that the only difference between a rookie lineman and a veteran one, is that the veteran knows how to hold better.
They know which refs will call make the calls and which ones won’t, and what they can get away with.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
maybe not 1 out of 10, but 1 out of 5 is more like it.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
SteveAlford, if you don’t believe you’ll ever be any good offensively then it doesn’t matter. If you believe you have a chance to have a decent offense the money they paid for the two kickers is no big deal…….period
I see what you’re after though you want to srgue about Russell right?? find someone else,I aint got the inclination nor the time. Sorry try me another time.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
# RaiderRon Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Seymour,
What year did each have 100 tackles?
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My mistake, it’s Quentin Mickell, Chris Hope and Brian Dawkins that tackle. Reed is a cover safety, and teams stay away from Palomalu.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Oh, you mean you were talkn out cho arse again? Shocker!
February 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
priesttj Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
RaiderRon, just how football challenned are you? Any ignorant football observer knows the Jets have one of the best Olines and running games in the league. They also have very decent WR’s and TE’s. He had everything a young QB needs around him. He still loooked like he could see past his Oline. He was wildly inaccurate and sometimes it looked like he didn’t know who was playing with him or against him.
Everyone knows that a running game and a Oline are a QB’s best friends that’s why Ryan and Flacc looked as good as they did as rookies. Now I expect him to be better next year but don’t count on it. Look at what happened to Cassell when he wnet from the protection of NE to the exposure of KC he looked like crap on a stick. It’s just in this mentally football challenged arena that fans just don’t get that a QB can only be as good as the talent around him. A great QB can make average talent lok somewhat better but a stuggling young QB with bad talent sround will look TERRIBLE. He had great talent around him and was HORRIBLE.
Gapiche???
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Don’t know how long it’s ggonna take people to figure this out Priest. I applaude the effort though.
February 16th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Priest… I specifically stated that an offensive lineman was what I would rather the money be spent on than guaranteeing 9 million to Seabass. How could you possibly construe that as trying to talk about #2? Are you insecure or paranoid about people trying to get you into an argument over him or do you honestly think that what I said was in any way an indictment of #2? Considering that I was saying an upgrade was needed on the OL to get more offensive production and that I mentioned absolutely nothing about JR, I find it truly fascinating that you could draw that correlation. Tell me something, Priest… did your parents have any children that lived?
February 16th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Steve, just because he was your cousin means nothing to me. He still couldn’t get his shot off with out a screen. He sucked!!! Your cousin and…..
You played maybe OK, But I’ve talked footballwith GM’s and players and coaches for years and tons of scouts. I think I know my stuff. Oh yeah I played JC college basketball.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Is 9 million up front worth one point per game instead of getting a big, powerful lineman with that bonus and seeing how many points worth of improvement can be gained with the extra yardage the offense could garner,…..
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Obviously not. The point with Davis is he makes these “huge” contracts but they all get quietly reworked later. That’s why you see the Raiders “pay” all these huge contracts but always seem to get under the cap without a lot of hassle or fanfare. The players appreciate it, because both Jano and Shane can claim to be the highest paid at their positions, which believe me, if you are in the league, you like the boasting rights. And it is a generous contract. Fact is, rarely if ever are they paid the contract amount and it is not really an impact on securing other players. Certainly hasn’t been in the past, but your point about leadership is completely on.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Overpaying for two kickers is no big deal.
It would be a problem if there were an actual salary cap.
The Raiders had a salary figure of $150 Million +, when the NFL cap was supposed to be 120.
If Al can get away with it, then it’s no big deal signing kickers to insane deals.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
And yes, Priest, the money they paid for the kickers IS a big deal… because for the past two years, that is 9 million up front each year… to a PUNTER and a KICKER. Giving that kind of bonus up front to those two positions when you need to upgrade BOTH lines is ridiculous. No matter how much faith you have in your QB, no matter who he is, you still need offensive linement to block for him. That 9 million last year and 9 million this year could have been signing bonuses to lure and hook some great talents here that would help move the ball or help stop the opponents from moving it. Seriously, don’t you think Dansby would be more tempted to come to Oakland if that 9 million was still in the pot to be used as part of an offer to him? Every penny spent NOT filling a pressing need is a penny wasted. The difference between an average kicker and Janikowski… not pressing.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
The upgrade needss to be made on the Oline and will be made the money paid to Seabass is inconsequential. Your the one who’s paranoid. Relax I think they know what they want and who they want they don’t need a blogger to tell them how to spend a few bucks.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
To be honest, I would have been sad if Jano was let go, I don’t mind him getting overpaid he is the best kicker in the league, u all seen how kickers have been missing in post season, during regular season close to 6 kickers became free agents due to their whackness kicks just like Folk from the Cowboys. I mean Jano is the best he should be overpaid. We need a kicker we all believe in, Jano delivers.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
You’re stupid……….period.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
I played HS football, so I know more than the avg fan. lol
February 16th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Priesttj
You’re a condescending son of a bytch.
Particularly for a guy who was dead certain the Kiffin/Davis feud was a media creation.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Raiders4eve, don’t waste your breath bro. these know nothings got it all figured out……….they think.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Priest, I say this with all due respect: talking football with a GM doesn’t mean you actually understand it. Even if you say all the right things, it doesn’t mean that you comprehend what you’re saying. Also, saying that he was my cousin wasn’t because I thought it would mean something to you; it was merely a reply to you saying that my name said it all in terms of football knowledge. I was letting you know that it’s not an i.d. meant to emulate a basketball player… it’s MY name, and I was named after him. I was illustrating that the name itself has no significance in terms of sport as it relates to me posting online.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Priesttj
You and Al Davis talk regularly. So why are you sonsabytches 29-83?
February 16th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
KK,,, you don’t like it take a flying leap sucka.
I say what I want when I want. Don’t come in here telling me what to say punk. You’re in here day in day out running peple down. Shut the hell up!!
February 16th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
I would rather give Jano 9 mil than give:
Cooper: 6 mil Salary
Walker: 15 mil
Fargas: 3 mil Salary
Warren: 9 mil salary
TK: 20 Mil & 5 mil salary
Euk..: 1.7 mil
February 16th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Listen Boy!! people like that dn’yt waste time with you if you don’t know what you’re saying. Are you crazy. The can smell a know nothing ten miles away.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
I think with uncapped year, Al Davis will be investing with players he believes in, other players who were overpaid most probably be forced to reconstruct their contract or take hike. Besides, there will be many cuts and free agency will be filled with many good role players. I believe we will have new faces maybe out of the 53 man roster we had this last year maybe we retain 33 and have 20 new players or at least 10.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Raiders4eve, I wouldn’t mind Seabass being overpaid IF THERE WAS AN UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF MONEY. The fact is that even if the year is uncapped, the Raiders are still working with a limited budget. Also, if we were to lose Seabass, the loss of a tenured free agent would give us the rights to sign a Restricted Free Agent from another team of equal or lesser tenured value. By keeping the kicker, we lose the ability to sign away a veteran lineman from another team. That’s where it REALLY hurts us to keep him. We’ll be forced to collect linemen off the trash-heap that other teams have discarded (like we’ve been doing for the past few years). This becomes even more of a problem in an uncapped year because teams can use both the Franchise Tag AND the Transition Tag… that means far fewer Free Agents… and far fewer QUALITY Free Agents. Keeping Seabass makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside in a sentimental way, but it’s a horrible deal in terms of football and in terms of business.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Warren: 5 mil*
February 16th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
Hey SteveAlford,
I’ve been following your little debate with Preist. My conclusion: He gets it and you DON’T. I don’t care what semi-pro team you played for. You should quit while you’re behind. Priest is buring you.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
One thing Steve that you don’t talk about when you do the point breakdown is the number of touchbacks Janikowsky accounts for. Another thing about Jano is making the “tackle” on a long kickoff return, when the lanes breakdown, which actually is worth a lot of money! And he is good for one or two of those a year. You NEVER see kickers save a touchdown. How much is that worth? Probably at least a few hundred grand on just that play alone.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Priesttj
You condescending piece of shyt, you haven’t been right about a gawdamned thing since you started lecturing here.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Seymour,
Did you play HS Football?
February 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Priesttj
You gotta be pretty gawdamned stupid to lecture fans of a 29-83 team.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
See, Al had to sell off non-voting shares to get the money for the Gibril Wilson and DeAngelo Hall deals because the Raiders don’t have enough money in the franchise to afford to reach the salary cap in a CAPPED season. Teams with more revenue (see: EVERY other franchise) will be able to afford to use both Tags (Franchise and Transition) in this uncapped year. The lack of a cap helps teams with money (nearly all of them) and HURTS teams who need to sell shares or take out loans just to get enough capital to reach the salary cap (our beloved Raiders). Keeping RFAs is suicide in an uncapped year if you’re a poor team. Check the league revenue stats… WE are the poorest.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Seymour,
Did you play HS Football?
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yeah.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
We have good coaches now, some of them will attract players they are familiar with. Wauffle might bring some of the guys he coached in NY, same goes with the others. Only spot I am worried about is the wide reciever position, Sanjay Lal is not qualified to coach my daughter soccer league, I really hope we get a good coach or veteran player who can mentor these young guys. Our wrs are critical to the QB game, we don’t want Murphy and Watkin running into each other.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Unless you played HS- College- Pro Football or attend games, you should NOT have any opinion.
I know ricky bobby agrees!
February 16th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Seymour Bush,
The value of those two kickers is as good as it gets. The HC of the Steelers referred to them as aliens. They’re that good and other teams would give at least what we gave them to get them.
Most teams have one or the other very few teams have both. We are very lucky in that we got them both in one draft. Jano was very instrumental in getting us to the playoffs 3 yearsin a row and the SB. They are due and he paid them simple as that.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Opinions*
February 16th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
See, Al had to sell off non-voting shares to get the money for the Gibril Wilson and DeAngelo Hall deals because the Raiders don’t have enough money in the franchise to afford to reach the salary cap in a CAPPED season. Teams with more revenue (see: EVERY other franchise) will be able to afford to use both Tags (Franchise and Transition) in this uncapped year. The lack of a cap helps teams with money (nearly all of them) and HURTS teams who need to sell shares or take out loans just to get enough capital to reach the salary cap (our beloved Raiders). Keeping RFAs is suicide in an uncapped year if you’re a poor team. Check the league revenue stats… WE are the poorest.
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Steve, the NFL is an absolute CASH COW! How much are the television revenues worth per team per year? And remember Davis does not have a lot of debt service on that team and he plays basically zilch in rent. I really have a hard time believing Al is hurting for cash.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
Lol, Raiderdebo… I’m using statistics, economic information, football knowledge, and various other forms of logic, clearly spelled out to make a cogent argument and you say that I’m being buried by someone whose rationale is “I’ve talked to GMs” and “I know what I’m talking about.” Never mind how I broke it down to a child’s level to explain to him exactly how it’s bad for the team to give a kicker 9 million up front in an uncapped year. Forget facts… you probably can’t understand them anyway, Priest. I’m amazed you figured out how to register another name to use to post an agreement with yourself. (Because there’s no way anyone could take anything you said as a valid argument against anything I said, so I know it’s you on another handle, Priest)
February 16th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Seymore, I had a hard time believing it, too… but Al Davis himself admitted the reason why he sold the non-voting stock was so the team would have the capital to make those two deals. I’m sure it’s archived in the interview on raiders.com from that year and it’s probably somewhere on this site, too. Just google it.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:28 pm
SteveAlford21
That arrogant lying piece of shyt was calling everybody stupid a few years ago for believing that the Kiffin/Davis was real.
He had inside information to the contrary, of course.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
KK, You gotta even dumber to be concerned about it.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Steve
Listen bro, 16 mill with 9 mill is not alot, trust me. He is basically getting a starting 4 mill every year. That’s nothing. Look at this way, Schillens would have made starting 4 mill if he didn’t get drafted as a seventh rounder. So the money we giving Jano is been saved in another position. Kickers are hard to find, Jano is thr best don’t worry about retaining one of the best kickers.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
He swore up and down that we were being duped by the “media”. That the Kiffin/Davis feud was a media creation.
He had spoken with senior officials within the organization, mind you.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Steve look at is this way: $9mm over 4 years breaks down to $2.25mm per year. That’s what the contract will pay. What’s a fair value for a modest cheap kicker? 700grrrrr? OK, so Al paid 1.5 over value per year. How much are the touchbacks worth? A few hundred grand? How’s about the one TD Jano saves by forcing a returner to the boundary? Another few hundred grand? So Davis actually only paid a few hundred grand over value and he sends a message to his team that you perform, stay clean, and not be a problem and the team will take care of you. How much is that worth?
February 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Seymour Bush, he’s hurting for cash about as much as a whore for sex. This guy is reading his own book. Al has NEVER EVER devulged any info on the financial state of that team to anyone publicly.
He’s lying and he knows it.!
February 16th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
Also, despite the fact that the NFL is a cash cow and the profit-sharing is designed to help each team because of differences in market sizes, the Raiders have been LOSING money in order to operate for the past few years. Someone posted an analysis of teams across all major sports in America and their bottom lines on this blog sometime last week. The Raiders are at the bottom of the NFL in terms of revenue and team value. We just don’t have the money to compete with richer teams for Free Agents in an uncapped year. Al may act like he has more money than God, but without a salary cap to keep spending equal, the Raiders will not have the cash to lock up the big names… not while other teams have no cap to worry about and a lot more money to throw around.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
You’re doing the math incorrectly. The 9 million guaranteed comes out THIS year and the other 7 million is broken down over 4 years (mostly back-end). Now retry your math. No offense, but you need to learn how the salaries are structured if you’re going to try to discuss this. You can’t form a valid opinion when you’re misinformed or unaware.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
The Raiders sold 20 percent of the team in October 2007 to three businessmen to get a cash infusion, which is also the goal of the latest transaction, the sources told Mortensen. However, the 2007 sell-off did not give those investors an option to purchase the team and Davis remained in control as majority owner.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809431
February 16th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
The Raiders have the higest payrole in the NFL, he doesn’t care what it takes he wants to win. Kepping thse two was a step in the right direction now it’s one less worry and you move on to the next step………..period
The only thing I’ve ever heard him say as to the state of affairs financially is he needs a bigger stadium with Luxury boxes to get players. But that was 30 years ago. Long B4 the TV contracts they have now.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
The Oakland Raiders, through owner Al Davis and Raiders chief executive Amy Trask, are negotiating to sell off another percentage of the team, this time to a billionaire who has been trying to buy a franchise with designs on moving it to Los Angeles, league sources told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.
Trask has been spearheading negotiations with a group headed by C. Dean Metropoulos in a transaction that would sell at least 10 percent stake in the Raiders, sources told Mortensen. Forbes Magazine has estimated the Raiders’ value at a little more than $800 million, but league sources say the calculation is closer to $700 million.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3809431
February 16th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
I think we will minimize our overall salary by retaining many restricted free agents for 1.7 or less then 2 mill when in any other time same guys might command around 3 mill. We good this year.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
SteveAlford21,
Don’t bust a blood vessel, some bloggers are only here to call names.
Most people join the army after their playing days are done. You got it backwards.
Thanks for serving.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
So where’s the statement by Mr Davis? that’s a report rogue report by an adversary. Mortenson would lie on his mother if he can keep that job.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
The sale of shares that Kell mentioned is the one to which I’m referring. And Priest, you can say all you want that Al never discusses the finances with anyone, but guess what… you’re WRONG. The NFL and all teams are protected from anti-trust by the U.S. Government (that’s why Congress can intervene on disputes if they go too far). As such, the finances of each team and the NFL as a whole are all PUBLIC matters. Al has had to disclose every single financial exchange that the team has ever made under his control. Once again, try to know what you’re talking about before you speak, Priest. Your ignorance is showing.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Priesttj
When Davis goes, all you bloodsuckers will be swept out with the morning trash.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
You’re doing the math incorrectly. The 9 million guaranteed comes out THIS year and the other 7 million is broken down over 4 years (mostly back-end). Now retry your math.
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Where is the breakdown? I was looking at the contract posted in the above article, right here. The only money on the hook is the $9mm. That could be a $4mm signing bonus, lst year salary of $500,000, 2nd year at $1mm, 3rd year at $1.5mm, 4th year at $7mm with a $2mm buy out, which would account for the contract. Where is the real breakdown if you have it?
February 16th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
I said to the public, Showm,eaquote from Mr Davis talking to the press, show me.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Steve, you act like you’re the team’s capologist. You have no clue what the team’s financial position is and even less of a clue what the team’s plans are for upgrading the roster no matter how smart you try to sound. If there is someone the team thinks it needs from another team, it’ll get done. When some big named players with bad contracts get let go without salary cap ramifications and the team decides it wants one of them, it’ll get done. And since this is a very strong draft (Charlie Casserly calls it the strongest since ‘83), and we have extra picks, there will be plenty of opportunities to upgrade. Bottom line: your little “sky is falling” rant has worn thin. Shut the hell up already!
February 16th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
As long as Al still has 51%, we’re still in the same boat. But if that story is accurate, then it is a step in the right direction.
If Al is forced to reduce his share percentage, then he’ll have to listen to the other owners if he wants a cash infusion in the future.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Priesttj Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
So where’s the statement by Mr Davis? that’s a report rogue report by an adversary. Mortenson would lie on his mother if he can keep that job.
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Remember this is the lying pos who said Mortensen was lying about the Kiffin/Davis feud.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
What none of you who see Davis selling his team realize is he BOUGHT the McGah portion of the team after a court ruling in 2005. That was roughly 30%. So he sells 10% to raise cash because of that purchase. Makes sense.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Thanks Northern D. I actually took my Honorable Discharge and left the Army because I had tweaked my knee a bit during my enlistment (I was a Psychological Operations Specialist, Airborne) and decided to stop risking permanent injury. After I had been out for a few months, the inactivity was killing me and I still had a love for the game, so I tried out for the Mutiny. I was reminded by that reinjury in the first season that even if my knee was back to 100%, it wasn’t guaranteed that it would stay that way, so I gave up the dream. I didn’t want to be a cautionary tale someday. Anyway, that’s the reason that I did it backwards. Again, thanks for the sentiment… and you’re welcome.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Yeah,he’s hurting for cash real bad that’s why he just gave a kicker 14 mill. Yeah RIGHT!!
Sometimes cmmon sense doesn’t make any sense. That is the best business in the country to be a part of, it’s selfcontained they’re insulated from failure. Ask the owners of the Lions the Saints and so forth. Thye can’t lose perid. Unless they flat out stupid.
If you know Amy Trask you’d have to be deaf dumb and blind to think they would get out of pocket financially. that women is brilliant. He didn’t hire her for her looks I gaurantee you.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Seymore, the statement on raiders.com says that the deal is worth “up to” 16 million, with 9 million of that guaranteed. In NFL contracts, the guaranteed money is applied to the team salary in the first year of the contract and is referred to as the “Signing Bonus.”
February 16th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Priesttj
Your guarantees aren’t worth shyt.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Only an idiot like Norco Boob would say 7 straight blackouts are insignificant.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Remember KK, is the same brain dead jerk who wouldn’t know a blocking scheme if you took the rest of the year to explain it to him. That’s why he sonsumes his time worrying about Mr Davis’ finances. Then recruit this crap stirrer in here t help him sling mud. Right Mr Alford?
February 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Debo, you just said that we would get players we wanted because they get dropped by their team due to cap ramifications. Unless a miracle happens in the next couple of weeks, this will be an uncapped year. You just proved that you have no clue what you’re talking about. Please unplug your keyboard now.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
KK, neither are yours punk.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Priest, no one recruited me for anything. My first comment on this blog was earlier tonight and it was a disagreement with Kell. Try some other way to divert attention from the fact that you don’t know what you’re talking about and are full of it. No one’s buying your line… sorry. Now go talk football with some GMs and owners. LMFAO
February 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Seymore, the statement on raiders.com says that the deal is worth “up to” 16 million, with 9 million of that guaranteed. In NFL contracts, the guaranteed money is applied to the team salary in the first year of the contract and is referred to as the “Signing Bonus.”
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No. Now he might have gotten a $9mm signing bonus, but that would be just plain nutty. As I wrote in a couple of my posts, most of these contracts never come to full value. There are certain gurantees tho: signing bonus, one or two years, buyouts. Those are GUARANTEED. Go look at my numbers again. I’ll be they are going to be pretty close. And don’t call me or anyone else misinformed or unaware unless you are completely positive. It is insulting and most of us don’t take kindly to insults.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
7 Straight blackouts.
Lowest attendance in the NFL.
Oldest least profitable stadium in the NFL.
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And Al Davis is rolling in dough, yeah right.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
priesttj Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Remember KK, is the same brain dead jerk who wouldn’t know a blocking scheme if you took the rest of the year to explain it to him. That’s why he sonsumes his time worrying about Mr Davis’ finances. Then recruit this crap stirrer in here t help him sling mud. Right Mr Alford?
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Lol!!! KoolKell, I’ve got to give you credit. I really believed this SteveAlford dork was real. You got me.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Debo, you’re actuall very right. They have always done extremely well picking up other teams financial burdens. That’s how we got the Stork and Tooz.
February 16th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
We also traded for Mike Haynes because they wouldn’t pay him. Seymour was acquired the same way.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Oakglenn-Priesttj, talk amongst yourselves.
Maybe call out the Beech & Boob show.
Gnite Steve. Don’t let those 2 bluff you about their inside knowledge. They’re never right about anything, the record show.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Debo, you just said that we would get players we wanted because they get dropped by their team due to cap ramifications. Unless a miracle happens in the next couple of weeks, this will be an uncapped year. You just proved that you have no clue what you’re talking about. Please unplug your keyboard now.
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Players with “bad” contracts that can be dumped during an uncapped year without salary cap ramifications! Can you read?????
February 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Seymore, I wasn’t trying to insult you. I was stating a 100% FACT that the 9 million dollars is guaranteed money. It’s not in the structuring of the salary. I apologize if the way I said it came off as condescending, but you were indeed misinformed or uninformed if you thought the 9 million was to be broken down over the course of the contract. No offense was intended.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
What none of you who see Davis selling his team realize is he BOUGHT the McGah portion of the team after a court ruling in 2005. That was roughly 30%. So he sells 10% to raise cash because of that purchase. Makes sense.
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Davis will never sell off the controlling interest in the club. Unfortunately.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
Alford where’s the quote from Mr Davis that you promised everybody? You said he said that he sold a % of the team to sign two players.
Where’s the proof of that?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
FYI,
Seymour Bush is a cross-naming troll, who will conjure up all kinds of fake posters to bolster his bogus claims.
Later.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
All you gave us was some writer spreading crap. He sold the % maybe for another minority owner. Who knows?
I’ve always said that the Raiders need a better stadium for better revenue. But since I’ve been saying that he has never stopped signing players. Whichever player he wanted he’s always signed them. So this notion that he’s broke we’ll see clearly in time.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Seymour, us going to the Super Bowl 7 years ago has nothing to do with my point. 7 years is nearly a decade. How many people can truly use an accomplishment from 7 years ago to make the case that they’re on their game today? Especially in the NFL, the “not for long” league, where yesterday has practically no merit based upon what you can do for a team today? Give me a break. 7 years of losing 11 or more games, and not an iota of improvement over last season. Al’s move? Nothing. Continuity? Continuity of what? Again, ZERO improvement from ‘08. ‘08 record: 5-11. ‘09 record: 5-11. Unfortunately they don’t count “moral victories” in the standings.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
SteveAlford21,
I wouldn’t worry too much about the kicker’s salaries.
Davis has always found a way to overpay for players. That’s the only way he can get some of them to become Raiders.
Signing the right players, is a totally different matter.
Besides, there was no way Al was going to let Seabass walk after drafting him in the first. It would seem like it was a bad idea. And Al has never had any of those.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Debo, I misread your post. I didn’t see the “without” before salary cap ramifications and therefore thought you were saying the opposite of what you were saying in terms of cap ramifications. Mea Culpa on that point. However, the Raiders STILL don’t have as much capital as other teams, so any players that we would want in an uncapped year (fewer Free Agents) would also be wanted by other teams… and other teams have more cash to spare than we do… and have no salary cap to stop them from doing so. That was my point to begin with. You’ve done nothing to dispute that point except to say, “We’ll get the players that we want to get.”
February 16th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Seymore, I wasn’t trying to insult you. I was stating a 100% FACT that the 9 million dollars is guaranteed money. It’s not in the structuring of the salary. I apologize if the way I said it came off as condescending, but you were indeed misinformed or uninformed if you thought the 9 million was to be broken down over the course of the contract. No offense was intended.
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Actually Steve you are the one who is misinformed. You said the $9mm is a signing or upfront money. Channel 2 news just reported the contract and stated EXACTLY what jerry macdonald and the Raiders reported. $9mm guaranteed over 4 years. That’s $2.25 million a year, exactly as I said in post #313. No one has yet refuted what I said, and when the contract is finally announced, I will bet those numbers are going to be fairly close to the breakdown I came up with. Now, if the Raiders pay him $4mm in signing bonus and a 500,000 salary and cut him in week 2, of year one, that would be a 4.5mm hit against the cap. But it’s an uncapped year next year, so even that would not be the case.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
KK,, just make another repost and shut the hell up.
repost repost repost………..that’s your claim to fame. The repost man. Freakin’ idiot!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
I’m with you Priest. Raider fans are probably the only fans in the league that can get up to get a beer when the kicker is lining up for a 45-yarder. It’s automatic! Why shouldn’t we pay for it? Another team probably would have paid more. I’m damn glad we kept he and Lechler.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Because we always get the players we want. It’s been happening for years. I’ve been saying we need a better stadium to compete but he signed Jerry Rice right after that. Then he signeseveral others as well as Allen the corner and Garner. Then he gave CWood big money.
We have always gotten the players we needed. That were available.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
I’m with you Priest. Raider fans are probably the only fans in the league that can get up to get a beer when the kicker is lining up for a 45-yarder. It’s automatic! Why shouldn’t we pay for it? Another team probably would have paid more. I’m damn glad we kept he and Lechler.
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A field goal has now become a rare and cherished event for Raider fans. Any points at all are worth savoring.
Only Saints and Colts fans would turn away from 3 points for a beer.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Seymour, us going to the Super Bowl 7 years ago has nothing to do with my point.
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My point was the Bungholes lost progressively more and more games over a four year period. The fans wanted the Head Coach gone. They lost one of their best offensive players, and basically did nothing. Not one coaching change on the entire staff. Nothing else. Their lst round draft pick barely suited up all season. They went to the playoffs. The point is instead of the constant turmoil and change, maybe stability will work. It sure worked in Cinncy this year.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Seymour, the problem with the Raiders for the past few years has not been the lack of team leaders. Yes, it’s one of the problems, but not the most pressing problem. The quarterback who took us to that last Super Bowl that you still rest on as evidence that Al Davis still has it has said repeatedly in recent years that Al Davis created an atmosphere so chaotic in Oakland it was nearly impossible to concentrate and prepare for games. Do you think Rich Gannon was lying? If not, then tell me again what a team leader is supposed to do when you have an owner creating chaos from the top?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
KK,, your recruit came in here and got his ass kicked. Now what??
February 16th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Seymore, I’m searching like mad to find the release that I read earlier stating that the 9 million guaranteed would count against this year’s salary numbers. I know that I read that and am trying to find it so I can post a link, but if it was bad information and it’s been taken down, then I apologize for being wrong on that… but I know for certain that’s what it said because they made a point of saying that it was structured that way because everyone is certain that there will be no CBA for this year, which means no cap, therefor having the 9 mil count for this year’s salary total will not hurt the team’s cap number NEXT SEASON, when a cap should be back in place after a new CBA is reached. The fact that it was phrased that way and used that logic for placing the 9 mil upfront is why I remember it saying that. Damn the internet.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Seymour, what are we doing right now that the Bengals are doing, besides keeping our staff and management in tact? Give me some other examples as to how we’re modeling ourselves after the Bengals.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
NorthernD Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
I’m with you Priest. Raider fans are probably the only fans in the league that can get up to get a beer when the kicker is lining up for a 45-yarder. It’s automatic! Why shouldn’t we pay for it? Another team probably would have paid more. I’m damn glad we kept he and Lechler.
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A field goal has now become a rare and cherished event for Raider fans. Any points at all are worth savoring.
Only Saints and Colts fans would turn away from 3 points for a beer.
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Not sure I follow you dude. I’m just saying I don’t worry about because the guy is “automatic”. Are we on the same page?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Damn the internet.
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Steve you should know the only thing the internet should be used for is raising kids. Just put them in front of the screen and nothing bad can happen.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Priest, the days when we got Rice and almost any other player that the team wanted were days when the team was MAKING money. Now, the team is LOSING money… and in an uncapped year, it can’t compete with teams that have cash to burn. You can’t use the teams that won division titles every year and were swimming in profit as a comparison to the team that had SEVEN STRAIGHT blackouts. The Raiders are the lowest valued team in the league. We are worth less than 800 million dollars.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Seymore, the statement on raiders.com says that the deal is worth “up to” 16 million, with 9 million of that guaranteed. In NFL contracts, the guaranteed money is applied to the team salary in the first year of the contract and is referred to as the “Signing Bonus.”
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No. Now he might have gotten a $9mm signing bonus, but that would be just plain nutty. As I wrote in a couple of my posts, most of these contracts never come to full value. There are certain gurantees tho: signing bonus, one or two years, buyouts. Those are GUARANTEED. Go look at my numbers again. I’ll be they are going to be pretty close. And don’t call me or anyone else misinformed or unaware unless you are completely positive. It is insulting and most of us don’t take kindly to insults.
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Shut up you brain dead cross posting worm of a woman.
Your ignorant uninformed sorryass has PERFECTED the fine art of being misinformed.
Tell us again, fool, how “Russell is a bonified star”
Tell us again, fool, how “Montana never showed any emotion..that’s why the called him Joe Cool” lol…that’s just for starters…
then you can explain about why you’ve the Cross Posting Beyotch of the Board.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Jerry, can I temporarily rename myself the rebirth of slick? I’m cool like dat.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Somebody here once said that Montana told him personally he wanted to play for the Raiders. Remember who that was, Seymour?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
Do you think Rich Gannon was lying? If not, then tell me again what a team leader is supposed to do when you have an owner creating chaos from the top?
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No, I don’t think Gannon was lying. In fact I think Rich is a fairly candid guy. And was or is the owner creating chaos? Well, duh. Does Jerry Jones create chaos in Dallas? yes. Does he meddle? Yes. Funny thing is we have been to a Super Bowl since Jerry Jones has. That’s the point about stability. If the environment is more stable, Davis’ meddling could become more irrelevant.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Also, Priest… my first interaction with Kell was to call him out on contradicting himself and being wrong (as I saw it). I told him that for someone who spent two weeks posting the records from the seven straight 11+ loss seasons, it was wrong to support a move that made it harder to improve the lines and make the offense and defense better, sacrificing the ability to garner an elite offensive lineman for the luxury of keeping a kicker. I told him that by taking that stance he was SUPPORTING Al Davis and the commitment to losing. Of course, if you paid attention to anything other than what you have to say or any comment made directly to you, you’d have known that. Are you really THAT paranoid and delusional that you think that anyone who disagrees with you is in collusion with others in some grand conspiracy to get you?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Looks like Trolly Troll and the Trollsters have shown. Sorry to say, have to go. Isn’t it funny how the trolls ALL seem to show up at once? As for the rest of you, Happy Mardi Gras!!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 11:30 pm
Oakglenn, if you don’t think Gannon was lying, then how do you expect team leaders to fix the problem, when the problem is clearly coming from up top? Does Jerry Jones really create as much chaos as Al Davis? Have any of Jerry’s former players come out and said the things that Gannon has said of Al Davis? Also, Seymour, what are we doing similar to the Bengals, other than merely keeping our coach and management as is?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Happy Mardi Gras, Oakglenn Seymour. Later.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Is this site appearing in html in your guys’ browsers, too?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
BTW, wack-job don’t hurt yourself thinking! You might use up all of what little natural ability God gave you. In fact, you have already used it all up. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
February 16th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Alford this team was struggling with blacouts back then. Last year was the first year they really had back to back t back blackouts. The 1st year!!!
That had about as much impact as I did when I tried to fly off the roof of a playhouse when I was a 9 year old kid. They bring in well over 250 mill a year from everything output is right at maybe 190 mill. That’s 60 mill + and I’m just guessing. 160 mill just from major TV money. That doesn’t include licensing and crap like that how much world wide do they make in Raider gear? It would boggle the mind. This stuff is global now. and your talking about a few unsold tickets, are you NUTS?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
What’s wrong with this blog, Jerry? Is it that if you put the Raider logo on something, it just starts to suck?
February 16th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Seymour, the difference is that when we went to that Super Bowl, Michael Lombardi and Bruce Allen were still here (rather, the team that was built under their watch was still in tact). We still had plenty of people in management and scouting and personnel who weren’t named Al Davis. Al’s meddling in those days was tempered with the input of other very qualified men. Now, there is no filter. I’m not trying to diminish anything Al has accomplished or to speak ill of him, I’m merely saying that he hasn’t done a good job of running the team in the absence of a sounding board/running mate/advisor/help of ANY kind other than Amy Trask and the attacker of reporters who shall not be named.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
I don’t see how an argument that we made the Super Bowl 7 years ago should even be considered in this discussion. The NFL has about the shortest shelf life of any industry. 7 years in the NFL is 20 years in the regular workaday world. Imagine some old guy working for you, dragging your whole crew down, and saying, “20 years ago I could do this and that..”.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
@Priest:
LMFAO @ “and I’m just guessing.” You ADMIT that you’re full of it and just pulling random numbers out of your rectum… and still continue on trying to act as if you have a real point and know what you’re talking about. Just because you say something with an air of certainty doesn’t make it true. It also hurts your cause in the eyes of readers when you admit that you’re making stuff up.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
NorthernD Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
I’m with you Priest. Raider fans are probably the only fans in the league that can get up to get a beer when the kicker is lining up for a 45-yarder. It’s automatic! Why shouldn’t we pay for it? Another team probably would have paid more. I’m damn glad we kept he and Lechler.
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A field goal has now become a rare and cherished event for Raider fans. Any points at all are worth savoring.
Only Saints and Colts fans would turn away from 3 points for a beer.
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Not sure I follow you dude. I’m just saying I don’t worry about because the guy is “automatic”. Are we on the same page?
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I’m just saying that ANY points are too rare these days.
I’ll wait to get a beer. Three points may be all the points the Raiders get in a game. Whether it’s automatic or not.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
I say it honestly because I would never be so presume to think that I know about the teams finances. In fact I don’t give a damn. I don’t get paid by them.
All I’m saying is the idea that Mr Davis somehoe broke is FOOOOLISSH!! Get It??? FOOLIssh…
30 years ago tickets sales meant a ton now you could get by with a studio audience they make so much money.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Hey Priest! Here’s an article in Forbes for you. It breaks down all the Raiders income and expenses for this past season.
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/30/football-values-09_Oakland-Raiders_300874.html
As you can see (unless you’re as big a retard as you appear to be), our favorite team operated at a LOSS of 5.7 Million Dollars this past year. Do you understand now? Is Forbes a good enough source for you? You know, since it’s an official source of financial information on public companies. That’s right, you moron. Who was right? You can keep making up numbers in the hundreds of millions all day long, but I just gave you proof of what I claim. The Raiders are LOSING money in order to stay alive. As I said earlier: in this uncapped year, we cannot afford to compete with teams that have money to burn in the fight to attain players of any value. Other teams have the money to outbid us and they will.
February 16th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
I’ve seen that article and all I have to say is watch and see what happens. Over the offseason we’ll see what we do in FA. I don’t trust any of that crap in terms of accuracy if you take into account NFL licensing and what’s in the bank.
That article has been debated in here over and over again. I still don’t see a quote by Mr Davis on the state of the team. Do you?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Priest, if you READ the footnotes and the diagrams (pay special attention to the pie chart), you’ll see that income from NFL profitsharing and licensing is taken into account. LMFAO @ you trying to question the accuracy of the publicly reported earnings of a company that is legally obligated to fully disclose all financial info to the public (because the federal government has oversight on the NFL… Al couldn’t hide any financial info regarding the Raiders if he wanted to. Just keep making stuff up to try to hold on to any possibility of avoiding admitting that you’re wrong and that you’ve been proven wrong. Whatever works for you, Priest… everyone with any sense has already seen that you were proven wrong whether you want to acknowledge that fact or not.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:05 am
I am no expert in salary negotiations but sometimes the agent wants to cover some face and certain deals will seem overblown while actually its face value. There would be there incentives to reach the full amount of the contract. I think this contract is good enough as he gets his money and we get one of the most consistent kicker in this league. Vintari commanded $3.3 mill while he is always injured under the Colts. We getting a legit player for cheap, Jerry Jones would have given him 20 mill with 10 mill guaranteed.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Listen dumbell. I don’t question actual report I question anyone that says he’s BROKE, get it idiot. The team is operating at a loss. The team is a corporation. It is not HIM.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:07 am
So, Priest… I have a serious question for you: With which GMs, owners, and league officials have you had these deep, meaningful conversations about football philosophy and business aspects?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:09 am
Nunyo!
February 17th, 2010 at 12:09 am
I never said that Al Davis was broke, Priest. I said that the TEAM operates at a loss now and doesn’t have the capital to compete in contract offers with richer teams in an uncapped season where richer teams can bid as high as they want and our beloved Raiders won’t be able to match the offers. You were saying that I was wrong, were you not? I never once said anything about Al’s personal finances. I said the TEAM can’t afford to get the FAs that it wants if other teams try to outbid us.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:12 am
Jano contract is fine. What I am worried about is Seymour, you see if we franchise this year, next year he would command 20 mill for a year just like the Panthers faced, we need to lock for at least 4 years and give him 20 mill up front that’s the only way we benefit from losing the 2011 first rounder to the patriots. I hope Al locks him Down.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:13 am
LMFAO @ you saying “Nunyo!” when asked which GMs you have had those alleged conversations with. You’ve already admitted to making stuff up when it came to profit and earnings numbers. Why not just go ahead and admit that you’re lying about being buddies with owners and GMs and having these talks with them. No one will think any less of you. In fact, you might get some respect for being real and admitting that you were just trying to sound big and important.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Listen man, I don’t care what the situation is to be honest. They all make TOOOO much money for me to worry about. So I’ll let you keep up with it OK!!
I’m done adios!!
I’ve been a Raider fan for 40 years and I’ve never seen him npot get a player he really wanted that wanted to come here. So you worry. Out!!
February 17th, 2010 at 12:16 am
@Raiders4eve:
The problem with that is if we give him all that money up front and then there’s a lockout next year. If we franchise him, he gets a little over 12 mil for 2010 and then we worry about 2011 when it comes and either franchise him again (we can do that) or give him a longterm contract at that time. I think that it’s better to give him just the 12 million this year, that’s much safer than risking a loss of all that guaranteed money if there is no CBA by 2011.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Steve
Which player do you think would command competition from other teams that you worried about, please don’t tell me Morrison, read Jerry’s breakdown of restricted free agents if we lose a player we get a high draft compensation, we building this team through the draft, we probably get veterans like Ellis who want to be Raiders to play for this team we don’t need to get in war with any high market team. Have faith bro.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Sorry, the 12+ mil was for transition tag. It’s just under 13.5 million for this year to franchise tag him. Still, the three highest paid defensive linemen are Jared Allen, Dwight Freeney, and Albert Haynesworth. They all got at LEAST 30 million guaranteed. That’s a LOT to give for a 30+ year old guy when you don’t know if there will even be a season in 2011. I say just franchise him for the next two years… it’s likely all that’s left in the “great” years of his career anyway… and those two years of franchise tagging him will cost LESS than the guaranteed money alone for a six year deal (which he would want to be in the 75 million dollar range like Allen’s or Freeney’s… or a 7 year, 100+ million dollar deal like Haynesworth’s). I could be wrong, but all in all, I think it’s best to tag him for two years, then work on a deal based on the performance of those two years.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Regardless if there is a lockout, players under contract won’t get any money so if u lock him down it wontmatter if there is a lockout, Am I right Steve?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:33 am
4eve:
I wasn’t worried about losing any of the players we currently have on the roster to other teams outbidding us. I was worried about US being able to get any Free Agents or Restricted Free Agents that we wanted, because we have less operating revenue than ALL the other teams… which will make it very difficult to build on our roster in any way except the draft in this uncapped year (because the richer teams have no cap to worry about staying under, so they can just keep spending and outbidding us). The only way we would have to build through Free Agency is the unfortunately horrible way that we’ve built our terrible offensive line these past few seasons: by taking players off the trash-heap that no other team wants. Cable was a great O-line coach, but that “players of any skill level can become great linemen in a zoneblocking scheme as long as they are fast and smart” line of crap isn’t true. You can’t take second and third tier journeymen and make a top tier offensive line using ANY scheme. It may be easier to get production out of lesser linemen with ZBS than with power blocking, but you’ll never get an elite unit with ALL unwanted castoffs.
My fear is that given the financial state of the team and the lack of a cap to keep spending even among the teams, we’ll be left with only unwanted castoffs from which to choose in Free Agency after all the good players have gotten WAY over market value (value in a capped year, that is… no cap means value is relative to the size of the bank account of the team that wants you). Sorry if that was long-winded… I was just trying to explain thoroughly.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:34 am
I am out goodnight everyone
February 17th, 2010 at 12:35 am
You are right in that they won’t get any of their SALARY for that season… but that doesn’t apply to guaranteed moneys and signing bonuses. So if we give him 4 years for 55 million with 27 million guaranteed, he gets the 27 million whether he plays every down for 4 years or gets hurt in camp and never plays a single down. Nothing can prevent being payed the guaranteed money, not even injury or a lockout.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:36 am
It’s all good Steve
Thanks for the info
Good night
February 17th, 2010 at 12:39 am
Good night, bro. It was nice meeting you and good talking Raiders football with you.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:45 am
In spite of all the numbers, Al will find a way to leverage out more money for players. He has always had the ability to pay for players.
Being 6 Mil in the red for one year will not deter Al from spending.
Good players are usually smart players, and that’s the reason they don’t come to Oakland. If it’s just a case of money, then Al will find a way to get it done.
Given his age, Al will not hesitate to spend all the money in the piggy bank, just for one last shot at the superbowl. ( Except if that means spending money on a coach)
February 17th, 2010 at 12:55 am
Northern D, I was with you right up until the parentheses, lol. I know that Al will spend every penny he has to try to find a way to get it done… but he won’t pay any coach what they’re really worth. Everyone says that Al doesn’t value coaches and thinks they’re all interchangeable. I disagree with that assessment. After seeing all the old in terviews, I think that Al has a perfect understanding of the value of a coach. However, it seems that he thinks that his philosophy of the game is greater than the value of any coach and if a coach decides that his fair market value is more than what Al is willing to pay, then Al thinks he can always go find an enthusiastic and brilliant young coach who agrees with his philosophy and set him free to go win the division, the conference, and the Super Bowl within a few years based solely on belief, desire, and philosophy. While that may have been close to being true in the days before Free Agency when teams could hold the same players for their entire career and before modern offensive and defensive systems overtook Al’s philosophy, well… the same just doesn’t hold true anymore. Sadly, I believe that Al is still stuck in a stubborn old man mindset wherein his philosophy will never be overcome and his way of doing things will never be the wrong way. That’s just the impression that I get, anyway… and it makes me think that Al will NEVER spend elite coaching salary money on a coach, no matter how good the coach is.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:12 am
He can find good young coaches, but he just doesn’t trust them.
Al was just like Gruden back in the 60’s, except evil.
He basically stole the Raiders away from the other team owners.
Now he figures the same thing will happen to him. That’s why he always keep power over the coaches. He doesn’t trust any coach.
As far as Davis is concerned, he built the Raiders, he designed the system. If they win, it’s because of him, if they lose, it’s because the coach can’t implement his plan.
He’s a stubborn old man who refuses to let go of the team. And since behaviours rarely change as a person grows older, we’re in for more of the same.
February 17th, 2010 at 3:54 am
awwwwwww
Steve Alford you made my day so much better…
The way you told BHP/priest off was great, you said stuff i have said for years, nice job…
and you are so right, when he starts losing a battle, he either gets in the fight with a fake name, or run away…
February 17th, 2010 at 3:58 am
# priesttj Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Steve, just because he was your cousin means nothing to me. He still couldn’t get his shot off with out a screen. He sucked!!! Your cousin and…..
You played maybe OK, But I’ve talked footballwith GM’s and players and coaches for years and tons of scouts. I think I know my stuff. Oh yeah I played JC college basketball.
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this is the funniest post of the night… you need to namedrop, titles isnt worth a shyt, well I guess namedropping isnt either, but still…
LOL yeah and btw, if Al always gets the player he wants, either he is an 1diot for getting bad players, or its a lie, because why the hell have we been losing for 7 years if we got the players we wanted…
maybe its because we got the players that Al wanted we lose? maybe we should start getting the players we NEEEEED!
February 17th, 2010 at 4:07 am
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February 17th, 2010 at 4:50 am
February 17th, 2010 at 5:51 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,U AWAKE 4EVA ?
February 17th, 2010 at 5:54 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
At least Jerry blogged about why he was late in getting that story out!
February 17th, 2010 at 6:11 am
LMAO @ another Priest meltdown.
February 17th, 2010 at 6:15 am
GOOD DAY HWNRDR,HOPE JANO IS NOT OUT PARTY’N IT UP WITH RUSSELL…
February 17th, 2010 at 6:18 am
San Diego Chargers linebacker Shawne Merriman and reality television star Tila Tequila have settled dueling lawsuits.
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now Al Davis is interested.
February 17th, 2010 at 6:22 am
I’ll need to check Dirt-Lot lol
February 17th, 2010 at 6:24 am
Bills released tight end Derek Fine, Receiver Justin Jenkins, defensive back John Wendling, linebacker Ashlee Palmer, defensive ends Jermaine McGhee and Marcus Smith, and center Marvin Phillip
February 17th, 2010 at 6:24 am
time for the Raiders to release 6 or 7 players of thier own …
Marcel Reece, Cooper Carlisle, Erik Pears, Gerard Warren, Javon Walker, Slade Norris & Jerome Boyd
Jon Alston, Khalif Barnes, Hiram Eugene, Luke Lawton, Chris Morris, Gary Russell, Cornell Green, William Joseph & Sam Williams are all FA’s who should not be tendered or re-signed!
February 17th, 2010 at 6:30 am
Rockstar….at least Morris is a solid back-up and I know,but Green is a good back-up too,imo.We need starters 4sure but we need depth too,imo.Besides Green was our starting RT when we was 6th&10th in rushing.I think Green and The Road-Grader Walker would be excellent together in running game
February 17th, 2010 at 6:30 am
2 of the Top 5 UFA DT’s are getting the franchise tag:
Vince Wilfork (Pats) & Aubrayo Franklin (49ers)
Casey Hampton, Ryan Pickett & Tank Johnson are still out there …
February 17th, 2010 at 6:37 am
4eva: I wouldn’t mind keeping guys like Satele, Walker, Green, Carlisle & Morris for depth …
but Tom Cable thinks these guys are starter quality. He doesn’t have an eye for talent. I fear that if they stick they’ll be handed starting jobs.
Cable has already given Samson Satele a vote of confidence this offseason and it looks like he’ll be the unquestioned starter heading into the 2010 season (unfortunately)
I wouldn’t care if we scrapped everybody on the OL besides Henderson (who only played well in a handful of games last year) and Robert Gallery
February 17th, 2010 at 6:40 am
the dolts are looking to trade CB Antonio Cromartie for a RB …
hey BSJ! your thoughts?
February 17th, 2010 at 6:42 am
I hope not either Dirt Lot!
Langston Walker only highlight in my mind was that block on Jason Elam’s FG in the waining seconds of that win in Denver when Ronald Curry did that snow angel in the end zone! But, still could be serviceable!
February 17th, 2010 at 6:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 6:40 am
the dolts are looking to trade CB Antonio Cromartie for a RB …
hey BSJ! your thoughts?
Are you kidding me? I would say trade DMac but…you know it will probably be Bush!
February 17th, 2010 at 6:48 am
Are you kidding me?
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Hwnrdr -
Chris Mortensen reported it, so it must be true. haha!
February 17th, 2010 at 6:50 am
We should go after Sproles.The rb from S.D. Great return man and third down back/change of pace.
February 17th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Cromartie is a good CB imo…I wonder why? I guess they do need a rb…
February 17th, 2010 at 6:50 am
Trade DMac for the midget!
February 17th, 2010 at 6:51 am
—”The Dolphins averaged 44.2 more rushing yards per game when C Jake Grove was in the lineup. Grove missed the majority of six games in 2009 thanks to an ankle injury. The former second-round pick remains a one of the best run-blocking centers in the game”—
February 17th, 2010 at 6:58 am
LMAO @ RRS 422!!!!
February 17th, 2010 at 7:01 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 6:51 am
—”The Dolphins averaged 44.2 more rushing yards per game when C Jake Grove was in the lineup. Grove missed the majority of six games in 2009 thanks to an ankle injury. The former second-round pick remains a one of the best run-blocking centers in the game”—
Isn’t that messed up LMN? I guess he was better at power blocking, huh?
February 17th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Cable lobbied hard to keep Grove if you guys remember.
He just wasn’t worth what the Fins paid for him.
We’d be silly to match that offer. We should have drafted Max Unger in Round 2 last year
We could have used that 6th rounder we traded to Miami for Satele to get Mike Mitchell!
February 17th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Grove just couldn’t stay on the field man. Only played 12 games last year too.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:13 am
The Bears were going to draft Mitchell in rd 3.
You really don’t think that guy gave us anything?
He had a hammy problem early in the year, but looked solid when he got on the field, IMO.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Jake Grove is 30 years old, but he’s already past his prime due to all the injuries IMO
especially the microfracture surgery on his knee …
I’ll be surprised if he makes it through 3 years of the 5 year deal he signed with Miami
February 17th, 2010 at 7:16 am
The Bears were going to draft Mitchell in rd 3.
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Jhill: the Bears denied that they were even interested in him. Dallas too
February 17th, 2010 at 7:20 am
If the Raiders wanted a safety to replace Mike Huff they should have chosen Jairus Byrd, not MM34
you know … somebody with COVER SKILLS
Branch has the SS spot locked down
February 17th, 2010 at 7:22 am
The surprise pick of the second round was Ohio University safety Mike Mitchell going to the Raiders with the 47th overall selection, two slots before the Bears were supposed to pick.
Our friend David White from the San Francisco Chronicle, who covers the Raiders, informed us that Mitchell expected to go to the Bears at No.49. The Raiders traded down from No. 40, swapping with the New England Patriots.
“I thought I was going to Chicago because they had told me to stay close to my phone,” Mitchell told Oakland-area reporters. “When they did that, I was like, `Ok, I’m going to be a Chicago Bear.’ That’s what I was thinking.”
Bears general manager Jerry Angelo said he was looking at a defensive player before shipping the pick to Seattle for a third-rounder and a fourth-rounder. Angelo would not reveal the name of that defensive player.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:22 am
Byrd ran a 4.60 at the Oregon Pro Day.
Al Davis never even gave him a sniff.
typical Raider move, drafting speed over production
February 17th, 2010 at 7:23 am
We should go after Sproles even if he sucks at least he would not be in a position to kick our @$$ again this year. He always comes up big aginst our lame defense.
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hellsbells Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 6:50 am
We should go after Sproles.The rb from S.D. Great return man and third down back/change of pace.
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February 17th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Branch has the SS spot locked down
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He didn’t at the time of the draft last year. Wilson had just been cut and Branch was injured pretty much all year. No one knew what we had in Branch or Huff.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:26 am
the Bears seem to deny this. On the Bears’ Web site, Larry Mayer was asked a question about this very subject and whether or not the Bears would have selected Mitchell at No. 49:
“Ohio safety Michael Mitchell was on the Bears’ “hot list” as one of nearly 125 players they were going to consider selecting in the draft. But I can tell you with 100 percent accuracy that there’s no way they would have chosen him as early as the second round.”
http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/michael_mitchell/
February 17th, 2010 at 7:31 am
gotta meeting. time to run
it’s been real!
February 17th, 2010 at 7:32 am
The boy can hit though! He gave Huff a stink look when Huff made that hit on Marshall in Denver. (Marshall or Royal, can’t remember)
February 17th, 2010 at 7:32 am
As reported by Adam Rank at NFL.com, “Chicago Bears General Manager Jerry Angelo told the Chicago Tribune that after Brian Robiskie WR from Ohio State was taken (14) spots before the Bears were to pick in round two at 49. And Michael Mitchell was taken at pick 47 in round two by the Raiders it was time to trade back.”
Considering that wide receiver and safety were two of the Bears biggest needs to try and handle on draft day the above comment made by Jerry Angelo to the Chicago Tribune makes a lot of sense.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:34 am
It was Marhsall Hwnrdr.
I like what Mitchell has turned out to be and the prospect of what he can be down the road. Definitely didn’t like the pick at the time, but the kid was noticeable in a good way on the field, IMO. Really good on STs, and very effective in the 3 S sets.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Of course the Bears would say that about Mitchell, they didn’t get him. Jairus Byrd was a surprise this year to everybody. There is no way anyone saw that kid coming, and he was injured a lot, and finished the season on IR. Mitchell will be solid as a back-up for Branch and even in a Dime or Quarter package covering TE’s or blitzing. Give the kid a chance, he is young, hits like a freight train and has a phenominal work ethic. He will be a leader in this defense in years 3 or 4.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Good morning to my family in here,..yes, we are family,..and it was a long night apart,..Im so blessed to be able to wake up and join you, my family, in here…yes, Im tearing up,..with joy.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:37 am
RRS,
The player is telling you that the Bears had him on the phone, and the GM said he was the guy as well. Once he was drafted, the GM traded the pick.
Kiper and Mayock missed it man. Mayock even apologized to the Raiders once he confirmed for himself that other teams were interested in Mitchell much earlier than he had him projected.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:39 am
Since when do we care what Mel Jr, Mike M, or anyone else says about us?
February 17th, 2010 at 7:41 am
I actaully think Mayock is pretty on point. Kiper is 50-50 at best.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:42 am
I actually think they are both tools.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Have a good day Nation!!!
February 17th, 2010 at 7:49 am
Of course they are, lol.
Just part of the entertainment of draft day. Add Berman, Schefter, Carter, Eisen and all the other cast of characters to your list as well.
February 17th, 2010 at 7:54 am
Good Morning Raiddaazz!
February 17th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Looks like Bulger and Campbell will be FAs. Aren’t they better options to compete for the QB job than Gradkowski and Frye?
February 17th, 2010 at 8:15 am
jhill,..it has come to my attention, from my rock solid source, that no matter what, no matter what, Russell starts every game in 2010…thats the world we live in,..get over it,…however, I see Jamarcus leading us to the afc west title,..now that I finally made it to row 1, I now have special powers,…future sight…word.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Sounds good Bob!
But we still need 2 backups.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Gradkowski and some other dude,..I doubt Frye stays as 3rd option,..he can be a 2nd option somewhere else. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Oh boy, another insider with sources. Ha.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Correctamundo Baby,…if you need anything answered,..feel free to ask.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Sign J Campbell!!
February 17th, 2010 at 8:37 am
The more we talk about Russell being the starting QB, the more we should know that Oline will be the pick at 8. That or Dez Bryant.
The reason Russell wasn’t successfull last year in his mind was lack of protection and lack of plays from guys around him. If he’s the guy, it makes sense to upgrade the talent around him.
Factoring in getting DMAC and Bush rolling, Oline at 8!
February 17th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Good morning O,..our resident dude in a dress here…hows thangs?
February 17th, 2010 at 8:37 am
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February 17th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Its not talk jhill, its fact,..there will be no open competition for the qb job in Napa,…however there will be one for 2nd string. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Sign Campbell, and restructure JR’s contract.
QB: Campbell, JR, and Woodson.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Clearly O has overdid the Mydol again,..get a grip.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Ricky Bobby,
It’s called KILT!!
How are the peach poodles?
February 17th, 2010 at 8:43 am
What about Oline Bob?
Is Henderson safe?
Satele, Green, and Carlisle outta here?
How’s Gallery’s back?
February 17th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Bob,
Will DMAC or Bush start next year?
February 17th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Ricky Bobby,
You are too funny!!
February 17th, 2010 at 8:47 am
McFaddon is starting.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Ricky Bobby doesn’t know!
All ricky bobby wants to do is walk the peach poodles, drink Hot choclate, and pop pills.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:48 am
O,…you seem the the prototypical Niner fan,…all giddy with exclamation points,..post like a girl,…you sure youre in the right blog?
February 17th, 2010 at 8:48 am
And smoke grass.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Not to mention, now in row 1,..that means front row…word.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:49 am
God dammit I tried to get Stallworth to come here,..but Peter Queen just reported hes a Raven,..damn.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:52 am
I just left a scathing DM to Stallworth, informing him what a mistake hes made. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Stallworth wouldn’t get any playing time here. Chaz, Murphy, DHB, and the up and coming Nick Miller would all be in front of him.
He’ll get a chance to play in Baltimore.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:57 am
A plane crashed into a residential area in EPA? Hopefully our blog friends in the peninsula are ok.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Oh damn,….I used to buy rock there,..long time ago.
February 17th, 2010 at 8:59 am
I thought you don’t believe in god! You must be confused.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Lol,..blog friends in EPA?…nice one old buddy.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Might have hit a day care. I seriously doubt any of the kids there sold you rocks, Norco.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:00 am
My God is Satan.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:01 am
How do you know, Norco? Isn’t priest from Palo Alto? If you don’t like what I have to say scroll along.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I used to go there alot, bus 22 take ya right there,..long time ago,..for a hundred dollar bill,..I would get 8 nice rocks. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:02 am
I think hes in Mountain View. Thats a whole different world then EPA.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:03 am
That’s nice, Norco. But it just so happens I’m more concerned about any potential victims of this crash than I am impressed with your stories of buying rock cocaine. Go get drunk.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Norco, I’m impressed with your knowledge of the bay area, and am aware that Mountain View is different from EPA. I’m still going to express my concerns. You’re just going to have to deal with it.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Anyone heading to Pheonix for spring training?…I will be getting drunk at Pheonix stadium from March 8th to about the 15th. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Ricky Bobby,
Grow up!! go look for your daddy, and then ask him why!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am
No prob dude,..Gary talkin bout it right now….Dibs said nobody hurt.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Wow. Norco will be getting drunk at spring training. Is anyone here not enamored?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:05 am
I bet it was a DEA plane.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:06 am
MR,..at Pheonix Stadium, they still have vendors bringing beers to your seats,..word.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:06 am
The reason Russell wasn’t successfull last year in his mind was lack of protection and lack of plays from guys around him.
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Jhill: the key phrase there was “in his mind”
Russell thinks he played pretty well last year. 3 or 4 delusional Raider fans feel the same way
if we don’t want scrubs at QB you gotta toss JaMarcus out along with Bruce, JP & Charlie. Can’t say “upgrade the QB position” and keep the same horrible starter. upgrade at the position means more than adding 2 or 3 backups IMO. draft another QB in Round 1 if thats what it takes. make a big offer to Philly for McNabb. something needs to happen. even if Russell hits the gym this offseason … he’s not going from 3 TD’s and 17 turnovers to 17 TD’s and just 3 turnovers in 1 offseason!
Anybody who feels Russell should be the 16 Week starter next year is perfectly ok with Al Davis’ scholarship program, because he certainly hasn’t earned it and IN MY OPINION hasn’t even showed signs of becoming a decent QB in this league. When you draft a guy in the 1st round you’re shooting for good or great! Russell was #1 overall!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Ricky Bobby,
Do you pray to a little baby Satan, or the full grown Satan with horns?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Iv begged Trask to please let vendors deliver beer to our seats,..she said she would if could,..but state law,..cant.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:08 am
A DEA plane, good. If I had the time, I’d take your bait and debate you on the sham known as the war on drugs, and how the drugs in EPA are likely supplied by the DEA themselves. But not today, my drunk, totally cool, pill popping friend.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:09 am
I think Coors Field that last major league stadium that still delivers….they did 4 years ago when I was at a game Bonds went deep in. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Well Im certainly no fan of them,..I grow pot in Arcata,..and worry daily they will rip me off.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:10 am
BP is at 120/88.
Fuk Al Davis.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:11 am
I’m past getting myself worked up over Jamarcus Russell. For whatever reason, It’s pretty obvious that he’s the guy.
With that in mind, plus the lack of holes in the running game, we need to upgrade the Oline to give the QB and RBs a better chance of being productive.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:10 am
BP is at 120/88.
Fuk Al Davis.
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Trade DMAC for an Irish Priest!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Anyone goin to the Oracle tonight?…I will be there,..if I see Ellison, I will offer congrats to his Americas Cup win!!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:13 am
Keep DMAC and trade Fargas to the Chargers for Cromartie (sp?).
February 17th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Dakota, be vigilant on your BP meds. Cubs pitchers/catchers are reporting to spring training.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:18 am
That’s a good blood pressure, Dakota. Even better if you can get the diastolic down to 80.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Marcellus Wiley on the Raiders win over the Eagles
“Oakland finally found JaMarcus Russell and he wasn’t in the buffet line!”
he hammered JR again the other night on NFL Live with Mike Hill & Mike Golic.
who deserves a presidential pardon? Nnamdi Asomugha
who should be de-throned? Golic said Jerry Jones (as GM)
Wiley said Russell. showed some highlights (what I like to call “lowlights”) of him and everybody started laughing
February 17th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Dakota,
I heard from a few people here that he could be traded this season. They need a RB, but I don’t think they will trade with us.
I like the trade, but I don’t think it will happen.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Al Davis will probably do something wacky, like give up Mike Bush and a 3rd Rounder for Cromartie …
February 17th, 2010 at 9:25 am
We can trade:
- Fargas
- Huff
- Warren
- Walker
-TK
I like Huff, but he is the only player with value in a trade.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:26 am
MR,
I am working on it. Low sodium V8, fruit and veggies have replaced my normal snickers, Doritos and diet coke snacks.
I guess the 10 lbs of sympathy weight I put on isn’t helping either.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am
I agree with Schefter …
You have to wonder why they would give up on a 6′3 corner with blazing speed and a Manut Bol wingspan.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Don’t trade Bush!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:27 am
We MUST trade: DMAC
February 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am
At least 3 people dead in Palo Alto plane crash. They’re now saying it’s Palo Alto, and not the east. You more sympathetic now, Norco?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Don’t trade Bush!
If we must trade a good player, then trade Huff.
Keep Bush!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:26 am
I guess the 10 lbs of sympathy weight I put on isn’t helping either.
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There are studies that show men do more than gain sympathy weight when their wife is pregnant – their whole system is affected. Stress, mood swings, cravings, bad sleep…the whole shabang.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am
We finally have a guy who can play the single deep safety and you’re suggesting we trade him? Branch and Mitchell can not do the things in coverage that Huff can. WE’d be opening a serious hold there O.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Pulgas Ave. Blocks from the PA airport.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Bo,
The Cubs haven’t stressed me out since Bartman. I can no longer watch baseball on TV. I think I might have watched 3 innings of BB on TV last summer. I keep track of how they are doing, but I just can’t watch it anymore.
Still love to go to the Rockies-Braves and Rockies-Cubs games in Denver though.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Glad to hear it, Dakota. It’s amazing how many people overlook blood pressure, and how bad salt is for you. Not me, with the diabetes in my family. My aunt died at 38.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Looks like Bulger and Campbell will be FAs. Aren’t they better options to compete for the QB job than Gradkowski and Frye?
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Bulger, Campbell, Gradkowski & Frye are all better options than JaMarcus Russell. so what’s your point?
replacing backups doesn’t fix a problem Jhill.
Ricky Brown & Isaiah Ekejiuba back up Kirk Morrison at MLB.
Desmond Bryant & William Joseph back up Gerard Warren at DT.
so would replacing Brown, Ekejiuba, Bryant & Joseph improve the run defense? the answer is no!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Trade Cable
February 17th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Yeah, its hard to get stressed about baseball, especially when the players themselves are barely awake, and only because of the nicotine in their craw.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:36 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Glad to hear it, Dakota. It’s amazing how many people overlook blood pressure, and how bad salt is for you. Not me, with the diabetes in my family. My aunt died at 38.
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I guess that is why they call it the silent killer. I felt just fine then I donated blood last week and my BP was way up. If I hadn’t given blood I would not have know about it for quite some time.
Diabetes is rough…my grandmother had type 2 and she suffered through it the last years of her life, but she was 65 and not 38. That is a tragedy MR. Sorry to hear that.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Jhill,
I would rather not trade Huff, Bush, or DMC, but I would rather trade Huff and keep both RBs.
We need both RBs to help this poor Offense. Huff is a FA next year, and he will demand a lot of money.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Trade Dmac 4 the whole shabang!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Cromartie gambles a ton, trying to get INT’s. Lots of times he ends up getting burned. reminds me of DeAngelo Hall.
his nickname is “crimetime” . LOL
did nothing as a rookie in 2006. exploded on the scene in 2007 and made the Pro Bowl.
seriously not that impressive the past 2 years.
plus he’s had some run-ins with the law
can he be salvaged? it’s possible
SD wants Tashard Choice from Dallas in exchange for him. Maybe we can get him for Justin Fargas? LOL
February 17th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Wow….I’m sorry MR….38 is very young to die,imo
February 17th, 2010 at 9:39 am
BSJ…
hahahah LOL, yeah, I will never get baseball
February 17th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Tashard Choice is a starting caliber back, Fargas is not even close. While I am quite sure Fargas would look better behind SD’s line, there is no way he would be as good as Tashard Choice, nor would SD ever make that trade with us.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Uuuggggg
We ran well with Kittin, were 6th & 10th, but not anymore.
We gave the same RBs, Cable is a great Oline coach, so should we improve?
We DID NOT improve, but the entire offense regressed.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:41 am
ummm thats Dallas I think
February 17th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Switch to a 3-4?????
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/2/15/1311685/the-time-is-right-raiders-should?ref=yahoo
February 17th, 2010 at 9:42 am
No Im not sympathetic dude,…and I would rather it go down in PA,..then EPA,..I nver had a prob with EPA,..quite the contrary actually.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:45 am
The point is Gradkowski and Frye played last year. If it comes down to the backups elevating themselves to first string, for whatever reason, Campbell and Bulger might be better options than Frye or Gradkowski.
And actaully Brown started at OLB and was given every chance to replace Morrison. If Brown is replaced by a better player, that better player may in fact unseat Morrison and improve our run defense. Brown is out at OLB anyway. Ike is a special teams player dude, don’t be ridiculous.
Desmond Bryant, William Joseph and you other examples didn’t START games for us last year. Upgrading potential STARTERS surely helps the team. You disagree?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:45 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:39 am
BSJ…
hahahah LOL, yeah, I will never get baseball
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Yep, baseball is almost as hard to watch as soccer.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:47 am
So we should*
I didn’t like kittin, he didn’t want to be our HC, he acted like a little kid, but he ran the offense a lot better than Basic Cable. Kittin used our strengths on offense (rushing the ball), but cable wants was trying to win with our weakness (passing).
Upgrade Basic Cable!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Our coaching staff is 4-3 based. I wouldn’t make the switch now.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Upgrading potential STARTERS surely helps the team.
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so in other words… get Campbell and/or Bulger because there is a good chance Russell will fall flat on his face?
have you suddenly lost faith in him?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Soccer > baseball
February 17th, 2010 at 9:53 am
O,
Kittin would have done no better working with Jamarcus. Probably worse in fact.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Bulger?????
Are you guys serious????
Cambell=maybe
Bulger=hell no
February 17th, 2010 at 9:54 am
When did I ever have this so called faith in him?
Fact of the matter is he finished the season 3rd string and the same coach is still here.
It’s pretty simple. The owner game the coach the green light to start the QB who gave the team the best chance to win. Why would that be any different this year? Campbell, Bulger, or Losman would be better options IMO.
Russell may well come to camp in shape and make this a moot point. But why assume he will?
February 17th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Soccer > root canal
February 17th, 2010 at 9:55 am
RR,
I think Campbell wasn’t he problem for the skins, and I believe that he a good QB. I’m not welling to give him a lot of money, but I would love to give him a 2 contract with option for more.
He can compete with JR, and if he wins, we cut JR and resign Campbell. If JR wind the job, then we trade Campbell.
It’s a win/win situation!
February 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am
If by chance Russell falls on his face, I’d rather have better options there to pick up the pieces than what we have now. We are not going anywhere with Frye or Gradkowski at QB for us.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:57 am
THE OSU > mich
February 17th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Here you have it, draft junkies!
http://football.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/15914/20100216/top_103_nfl_draft_prospects_version_40_(pre_combine)/
February 17th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:57 am
THE OSU > mich
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Only in your addled mind…check the record.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:58 am
DMAC > Mich
February 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am
ND > OSU + MICH
February 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Ohio = hillbilly sh!t farmers.
February 17th, 2010 at 9:59 am
O: I like Jason Campbell too
not 100 percent sure though. he has some great games and in others he looks lost out on the field, like he has no idea what he’s doing
HUGE upgrade over Russell though and I think he’ll only get better
February 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am
ND = N.A.M.B.L.A. headquarters
February 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am
BSJ,
I agree with you about JR, but I was talking about our running ability. We ran better with Kittin, and I know we ran when we were behind too.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Trade MICH for Jimmy Clausen’s jock strap.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Mich: ghetto state with high rates of unemployment!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:05 am
We are not going anywhere with Frye or Gradkowski at QB for us.
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I don’t think 8 wins are out of the question. maybe even 9!
aren’t you the one clamoring about a weak schedule next year and the liklihood of us fixing the OL in free agency and/or the draft ???
Bruce & Charlie are leaders. They don’t have to carry this team on thier backs. They just have to do thier job and execute when need be. Like you, I expect the running game & defense to be much improved in 2010.
JaMarcus is not a leader. guys don’t rally around him or play hard for him. they don’t believe in him. He’s a liability.
I’ll take average over awful any day of the week!
I’m not convinced Jason or Marc from FA could come in here Day 1 and win over the locker room with a new team and be more than average in the first year. Campbell (unfairly) gets the bust label and Marc (unfairly) gets the injury prone label, but it is what it is …
February 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am
BSJ,
I agree with you about JR, but I was talking about our running ability. We ran better with Kittin, and I know we ran when we were behind too.
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Just look at the Cleveland game last year. Cable passed the ball almost twice as much as he ran it in the FIRST HALF against a team that can’t stop the run and while we had a scrub QB playing.
I can’t believe that fat fuking tard still has a job.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am
# Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am
BSJ,
I agree with you about JR, but I was talking about our running ability. We ran better with Kittin, and I know we ran when we were behind too.
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Technically ran better with Fargas is what it boils down to.
Technically, Al, you boneheaded another draft pick when you picked a RB, after the team was #6 in THE NFL in rushing, when there were so many other holes to fill.
No biggee…rushing dropped to what? #22 or so?
So much for the “3 headed monster” in the backfield.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:01 am
BSJ,
I agree with you about JR, but I was talking about our running ability. We ran better with Kittin, and I know we ran when we were behind too.
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Cable would have done just as well with the running game if he was not forced to develop Russell. Plus DMAC is a fraud and had to be exposed eventually. It was Cable’s bad timing.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:07 am
Mich have no football talent, so they go tho those farms to get talent like Dez Howard, Woodson, etc,,
February 17th, 2010 at 10:08 am
Lunch!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:08 am
trade the walrus for lunch!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:10 am
My challenge remains to those Cable/Al lovers out there…
WHAT DID CABLE DO THAT WAS EVEN ADEQUATE??
Not surpass…not excel….not above and beyond…just adequate?
Nothing..not a damn thing.
Al Lovers: “uh…well…he had the players playing hard last game of the year”….
REPLY: “The players ARE PLAYING FOR THEIR JOBS THE FOLLOWING YEAR”
Again…the answer is Cable hasn’t done one thing even mediocre’.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Raider O
running with the lame kitten = 5 wins, 15 losses
running with the steel rope guy = 9 wins, 19 losses
whether the dysentery is bacterial or ameobic, it still su<ks.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Easy Dakota….Easy
February 17th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I hate Mich!!!!
They steal talent!!! Why Sir Charles? We could have been great. Boston on offense, and you on Defense!
Damn you mich!!!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Ricky:
Cable & Davis lovers still exist?
they must be hiding under a rock with the Russell lovers!
don’t sweat though. Priest will be here soon enough to explain why the Raiders will win the Super Bowl next year …
February 17th, 2010 at 10:12 am
and, technically, the Raiders were a much better running team before the introduction a certain #20 scampering hog.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:14 am
the Raiders were a much better running team before the introduction a certain #20 scampering hog.
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and #29 too!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:16 am
# jhill Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:56 am
If by chance Russell falls on his face, I’d rather have better options there to pick up the pieces than what we have now. We are not going anywhere with Frye or Gradkowski at QB for us.
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I would rephrase that “If by chance Russell DOESN’T fall on his face”.
No doubt a better option is preferable…isn’t it kind of sad that this is what it’s reduced to?
It’s like…what’s the lesser of the evils?
“So and so sucks, but doesn’t suck as much as that guy”?
IMO, jettison JR.
Don’t even leave the option there.
Team will be happy for it.
Fans (at least most) won’t be cringing at the idea he might come off the bench, or…*gasp*…start..whoever does start at QB won’t be as worried about a quick hook from Al the Bard…
Lot’s of good reasons to let JR just meander back to the bayou…very few good reasons to not.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:17 am
M,
lol..I enjoy reading you posts.
My problem with Cable is he did well at the end of last season, but he regressed this season. We can blame JR, injuries, Oline, but we didn’t improve.
Why did we run with fargas over Bush?
Why didn’t walker start or play offense?
Why did we rum DMC up the middle?
Why didn’t we use DHB better to improve his development? Rev & short passes.
He wanted Barnes, but didn’t play him that much after he recovered from his injury.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:17 am
I can’t believe the Monday morning QBing on the DMAC pick. LOL at everyone acting like they were Fargas fans.
LMFAO!
DMAC was a NO BRAINER pick once the Dorsey medicals came back red flagged.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:19 am
M Lonetree Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:12 am
and, technically, the Raiders were a much better running team before the introduction a certain #20 scampering hog.
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Sure, replacing Barry Sims with Kwame Harris and Cooper getting old and the Russell debacle and a total lack of a passing game I am sure had nothing to do with the decline in our running game.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:20 am
during the 2009 season Gradkowski was the highest rated QB who was drafted in 2006-including V.Young and J.Cutler.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am
He wanted Barnes, but didn’t play him that much after he recovered from his injury.
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O: If a remember correctly, Barnes & Pears both got starts at RT last year (2 each). Green was out 4 games
Cornbread was actually better than those clowns at RT. I didn’t think it was possible!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Fire Cable!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:21 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Ricky:
Cable & Davis lovers still exist?
they must be hiding under a rock with the Russell lovers!
don’t sweat though. Priest will be here soon enough to explain why the Raiders will win the Super Bowl next year …
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Yeah, TJ will give yet another reason why “I see in JR what you don’t. Him and I shared crawdads together, and delved into the meaning of lint in our navels.”
Except that wasn’t lint in JR’s..was cobwebs.
Leave it to priest to not know the difference.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:22 am
I wouldn’t just cut Russell.
I would put it all on him to make the roster. Weight clauses or you go to the PUP. Shyt like that. Whatever Kiffin was doing last offseason with the guy needs to be law for him, 1st guy there? What happened this past offseason?
Russell didn’t play under C in college. His slow development doesn’t surprise me.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:23 am
during the 2009 season Gradkowski was the highest rated QB who was drafted in 2006-including V.Young and J.Cutler.
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Kevin Kolb was probably the highest rated QB last year from the 2007 draft!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:25 am
We need better talent at Oline, DT, LB, and FB!
I’m sure we can all agree on that.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Lunch!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:27 am
# jhill Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:17 am
I can’t believe the Monday morning QBing on the DMAC pick. LOL at everyone acting like they were Fargas fans.
LMFAO!
DMAC was a NO BRAINER pick once the Dorsey medicals came back red flagged.
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Au contraire’..stated on numerous sites how DMAC not only wasn’t a need, but that RB’s who have a history of having skinny/weak legs, who also have led the college ranks in fumbles, many where no one even touched him, while known for going down once touched, WHILE THE TEAM NEEDED O LINE, AND WR’S..was a stupid pick.
Remains true to this day..he still fumbles…he goes down on contact..he never breaks tackles..he’s not feared, at all, and he’s injury prone because of his pencil leg status…
How can he even be viewed as a good choice? Especially considering the team already was #6 in rushing?
Wasn’t a stellar rushing attack..for sure..but considering all the holes the team had?
Pick made/makes no sense.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am
You forgot CB!
And you could arguably add WR to that mix. Chaz is clearly and injury waiting to happen, and to say DHB is a question mark at this point in an understatement.
Only legit WR we have, IMO is Murphy. Wouldn’t be mad at all if we drafted Dez Bryant at 8. At least not DHB mad, lol!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Later Gents, I have to go study.
Free Dell, TW, and R8P.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Sorry, Norco Bob. You’re not going to make me mad with your cruel comments today. I’m just going to shake my head.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Best offensive weapon : Seabass
Best defensive weapon : Lechler
hmmm…neither one plays offense nor defense but the truth holds…sigh
February 17th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Bo, if soccer is like a root canal, what is Raider football, a trip to the beach?
February 17th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Yeah, what did happen to that “JR was the FIRST ONE IN THIS MORNING”???
Did that even last a week?
More than a day or two?
In this case, I don’t think the “no news is good news” applies.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:32 am
If soccer is a root canal, Raider football is euthanasia.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Well I wanted Dorsey, so I’m not going to sit here and lawyer up too hard for DMAC.
I’ll say that I don’t recall many people using Fargas as a reason to pass on a weapon for our offense. Even all the networks, Jerry, and the likes were praising the pick. I don’t recall you being on this board back then, so I’m not saying you didn’t say what you are saying.
I know Priest was against it, lol. I know that for a fact!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am
I think it lasted as long as Kiffin did that season. I don’t know why Al tried to act like Kiffin was not in Russell’s corner. I think he’d be MUCH further along had we kept Kiffin. I think Kiffin and Al were equally childish. Kiffin should have just been cool for one more year. Ryan’s contract was up for goodness sakes, then he could’ve brought in his Daddy.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Cable shouldn’t have a job. 5-11 to 5-11. 8-8 to 8-8 would be one thing. But when you’ve sucked for 7 straight years, I’d say a one game improvement is a minimum requirement for a first year coach to be brought back for a second year. Cable couldn’t get us one extra win. One. Not to mention the off the field chaos. Only in Oakland does this happen.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am
DMAC is going to pay off for us IF we upgrade the Oline, get a FB, and use the guy as a “weapon” instead of a 20-25 carry RB.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Cable’s just another tough acting Davis puppet. Might as well give Herrera a headset and clipboard. Same result.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:37 am
I dont know why you all would equate going to a Raider game anything but awesome,..we have a blast!…as for baseball, its a great place to hang for a few hours drinking beer and having a hot dog,..mainly the beer though.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am
If by puppet, you mean carries out the wishes of the owner, I’d like to know which HC isn’t a puppet?
February 17th, 2010 at 10:39 am
JHill, Kiffin had to do what he did to get any kind of results. He would not have been given Gruden-like time to turn things around. Al even considered getting rid of Gruden after ‘99. It was a damned if you do, etc., situation.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Im going with a bunch of Kings fans tonight,..Warriors better show up,..however I predict an easy Kings win.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Most owners only wish that their HC does what it takes to win, JHill, while taking care of a few high priced investments in the process, I’ll admit. Al Davis, on the other hand, expects his HC to work with a staff that he picked for him, expects his coach to win with a defensive gameplan that he insists on, and makes nearly all personnel decisions, draft, free agency, what have you, for his coaches. That’s the difference.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Davis made the right move bringing in an OC/play caller.
We are beyond HC talk. At this point, how about the players making a few plays? How about simply understanding your gaps and angles on defense? How about catching a pass? How about making a block? How about not bouncing a pass?
Different HC + same players = 6-10
February 17th, 2010 at 10:44 am
There’s nothing wrong with you going to games to have a hot dog, Norco.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:10 am
I hate Mich!!!!
They steal talent!!! Why Sir Charles? We could have been great. Boston on offense, and you on Defense!
Damn you mich!!!
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If you have spent time in both Columbus and Ann Arbor, you will know why the Ohio kids who are good enough to go north, GO NORTH.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:47 am
M Lonetree Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:12 am
and, technically, the Raiders were a much better running team before the introduction a certain #20 scampering hog.
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Lucidity from the hinterlands!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am
No argument that Al is the guy who makes the decisions and signs the checks for the Raiders.
But when you are watching the game, I see missed tackles, dropped passes, blown blocking assignments, and shyt like that as reasons we are losing.
I think Marshall was calling a much different defense than we’ve seen in the past starting with the Philly game. DBs and LBs were blitzing from every where. Trevor Scott was moved all over the place. How is that the man to man 70’s defense Al gets accused of mandating?
February 17th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Kiffin did what he had to do?
What do you mean by that?
I think the way he handled his relationship with Al was ridiculous. Al gave him the job so why would he want him to fail? The way he reacted to being told no he can’t fire Rob Ryan and no you can’t draft Brady Quinn #1 overall was childish!
February 17th, 2010 at 10:51 am
jhill Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Well I wanted Dorsey, so I’m not going to sit here and lawyer up too hard for DMAC.
I’ll say that I don’t recall many people using Fargas as a reason to pass on a weapon for our offense. Even all the networks, Jerry, and the likes were praising the pick. I don’t recall you being on this board back then, so I’m not saying you didn’t say what you are saying.
I know Priest was against it, lol. I know that for a fact!
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I wanted Clady and Ellis over DMAC. Still do. Worse even.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
JHill, all owners “sign checks”, including the most successful owners in the game today who let their coaches make most of the personnel and game planning decisions.
And, the reason you’re seeing missed tackles, dropped passes, blown blocking assignments, and shyt like that is because Al Davis can’t spot talent anymore. It’s all the more reason to give more control to his head coach.
I don’t believe Marshall was calling a different defense that what we’d used in recent years. He used far too much man defense, in a league where adjustments are mandatory. And of course he ran this man defense at Al Davis’s demand.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I had a dream the other night that we were beating the Titans 50-23 late in the 4th quarter of opening night (I know we probably don’t open or even play Tenn next year, it was a dream okay). I was amazed that Cable was getting the job done.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:57 am
And, man to man ’70s defense? What are you talking about, JHill? Phil Vilapiano has said repeatedly that they were in fact using too much zone defense up till ‘76, where they then simplified it by, get this, using just cover 1, 2, and 3. He considered the Cover 3 vanilla compared to what they were running beforehand. Madden had those guys playing everywhere, JHill. They never just went out and manned up every down.
February 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 9:01 am
How do you know, Norco? Isn’t priest from Palo Alto? If you don’t like what I have to say scroll along.
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Actually, according to the radio hosts…priest lives in Fremont.
“and the next caller is priest from fremont”……
could never figure out why they then proceeded to chuckle and laugh…
February 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Bo,
I don’t mean to doubt you, but if you posted a pre-draft comment showing that you wanted Clady at #4 it would be a lot more convincing lol.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:54 am
I had a dream the other night that we were beating the Titans 50-23 late in the 4th quarter of opening night (I know we probably don’t open or even play Tenn next year, it was a dream okay). I was amazed that Cable was getting the job done.
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Your meds are working! Pass one over….
February 17th, 2010 at 11:02 am
JHill, you just admitted that Al makes the decisions. So, you know what I meant when I said that Kiffin did what he had to do. When you have a meddling owner who obviously doesn’t know what he’s doing (which is why Kiffin was hired to begin with…afterall, were the Raiders winning in previous years?), and who’s also prone to scapegoating coaches, you’ve got a short time frame to implement your own regime. IF Kiffin didnt’ want to be scapegoated for Al’s failures, he had no choice but to just go in there and take charge, even if it meant undermining “mr. davis” at every turn. Kudos to him for trying.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Bo,
I don’t mean to doubt you, but if you posted a pre-draft comment showing that you wanted Clady at #4 it would be a lot more convincing lol.
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Doubt away. I’m too lazy to research, as it resembles the work I am here to shirk.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am
What are you going to say about Al Davis when we win the division next year?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:03 am
I also was jonesing for a trade down in the 07 draft. Knew it wouldn’t happen.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:05 am
As I recall, seems things went South with Kiffin not only after the Ryan overruling, but was the request from Al for Kiffin to put in his notice, voiding the contract.
Wasn’t that when Kiffin went to the Senior Bowl, and blatantly avoided all Raider gear, making a not so subtle statement?
And no, Jhill..wasn’t on this board during Dmac’s pick..numerous others.
I came on around the “Bombing by the Bey” fiasco.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:06 am
RMR,
I was specifically talking about him allegedly angling to get fired. I have no problem with anything he did from a coaching perspective.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:07 am
“What are you going to say about Al Davis when we win the division next year?”
Wake up your dreaming!
February 17th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Whos getting F`ed up tonight at the Oracle?….come join me for Patron shots!!
February 17th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Right Rich,
That was right after the Ryan thing. Well if I can’t hire my dad, then fire me. No, you quit! Yada, yada …
February 17th, 2010 at 11:10 am
JHill, if we win the division next year, I’ll congratulate Al Davis. If we win using man defense and forcing the deep pass on offense, and with a bunch of players who are better at running track and jumping over hurdles than blocking and tackling, I’ll admit that Al Davis’s philosophy still works in today’s game. If we win using an offense that takes what the defense gives us, and make adjustments on defense mixing zone and man coverages, I’ll give Al props for finally letting the coaches coach the team.
Now, what will you say about Al Davis if we only win 5 games or less, for the 8th year straight?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:13 am
I wont congratulate Al if we win the division,…why would I?…hes the owner, not a player of on coaching staff….F that.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:14 am
You guys always give him too much credit and too much blame,…silly.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I’ll say he needs to fire Cable!
February 17th, 2010 at 11:15 am
In my memory, Kiffin – long before trying to fire Ryan – angled for a few choice college jobs. He was never working for long term success in Oakland, just as he wasn’t in Knoxville. Lance wanted attention at any price.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Dang I could use a brewski right about now,…is it too early?…I will have one for lunch,..hows that?…with a bag of Funyons. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:19 am
DE’s KVB & the freak are both UFA’s
I bet the Titans will trade up and draft Derrick Morgan.
outside chance they grab Carlos Dunlap or Jason Pierre-Paul instead because Morgan was drafted in the Top 5 …
February 17th, 2010 at 11:20 am
BSJ,
on SportsCenter this morning Lance Kiffin said his family is still receiving death threats from angry Vol fans. LOL!
is TN considered “podunk” ???
February 17th, 2010 at 11:21 am
The HC is NOT the GM or president of the team. I just don’t get the idea of the HC having control of who the players are. I don’t care if Parcells says it 1000 times in his NE power play.
I agree BSJ which is why I referenced the way he handled being told no to Brady Quinn.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am
BAN THE TROLLS!
So exactly who was the player that couldn’t be signed because the Raiders didn’t have enough money? I seem to have missed that part among all the whining about how the Raiders spend their own money.
You sound like a bunch of kibitzing yenta wives.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am
JHill, most the head coaches of most Super Bowl winning teams were heavily involved with personnel decisions, if not given the keys outright.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:28 am
can you imagine what would happen if Al Davis gave the keys to Tom Cable?
yikes!
February 17th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Like who MR.
People tend to say that Belechik has all this say so, and a few SB later, he just might. But pre SB wins, his is the same owner tha Parcells was complaining about, lol!
February 17th, 2010 at 11:32 am
And to say Al doesn’t give his HCs input on the roster is propaganda.
Look at all the players Kiffin cut. Did he slip that past Al?
Hiram Eugene, Cornell Green, Satele, and Khalif Barnes are not guys Al Davis would have wanted. Those have Cable written all over them.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:28 am
can you imagine what would happen if Al Davis gave the keys to Tom Cable?
yikes!
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I think Al is no longer capable, but Cable is a complete and utter moron (which goes to show how Al has lost it).
Jezuz, my BP just went up again…
February 17th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Does Indy’s HC run anything?
NY?
Dallas?
Norv?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:35 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am
JHill, most the head coaches of most Super Bowl winning teams were heavily involved with personnel decisions, if not given the keys outright.
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So what you are saying is Jim Caldwell told Bill Polian what to do in Indy? Or that Sean Payton was telling Mickey Loomis what to do in New Orleans? Real MaddenRaider you might want to bail out right now. You are flaming. And I mean the USA Mens Figure Skating team is saying you’re flaming. Almost every single coach, in practically every single sport refers to the GM as their “Boss.”
February 17th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Hue Jackson is our HC guys.
Why are you talking about Cable?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Rockstar, I certainly didn’t suggest giving the keys to Tom Cable. I don’t think he should even be in the league, for both performance and personal reasons.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:36 am
According to Real MaddenRaider AJ Smith is there to fetch Norphus Turner his morning Coffee and croissant.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:37 am
GM = Owners mouthpiece.
HC = GM puppet!
February 17th, 2010 at 11:38 am
jhill Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Hue Jackson is our HC guys.
Why are you talking about Cable?
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No, this is the new hierarchy:
Marshall is the HC of the Defense
Jackson is the HC of the Offense
Cable is the HC of the pre-game and post game speeches and assistant time out coordinator behind Tolner.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:38 am
LOL, Seymour …
Exactly!
Yes our HC is a puppet. But he should be. Coach the guys the team gives you. You want to draft the players, try and get promoted!
February 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am
AJ Smith is there to fetch Norphus Turner his morning Coffee and croissant.
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I thought he was busy doing Phil Rivers’ laundry? (still wets the bed)
February 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Draft Hopes
round 1
Okung, Campbell, or Davis
With this pick then loser for LT battle beomes right tackle. Green could slide inside a play RG. Fills three positions..
round 2
Spikes MLB or Cody
True MLB shift Morrison ouside. Or get true run stuffing DT
Round 3
A) Pouncy center FL
B) Thompson CB Cal to play in the nickel at first
Round 4
Havalii FB USC Would be a great pick
REST best value pick we need depth everwhere
February 17th, 2010 at 11:39 am
# jhill Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:32 am
And to say Al doesn’t give his HCs input on the roster is propaganda.
Look at all the players Kiffin cut. Did he slip that past Al?
Hiram Eugene, Cornell Green, Satele, and Khalif Barnes are not guys Al Davis would have wanted. Those have Cable written all over them.
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This is exactly right. And if you remember correctly, Phillip Buchanon and Stinchcomb followed Gruden over to TB.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am
JHill, Seymour, from everything that I’ve read, I believe that at least Sean Payton, Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, and Bill Belichick, as recent Super Bowl winners, have had significant say over their personnel, and likely made most decisions. I obviously have no way of proving this, as you guys have no way of disproving it. While Mike Tomlin might not have significant control, considering how junior he was when winning the Super Bowl, Bill Cowher, his predecessor, likely did.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Cable is the HC of the pre-game and post game speeches and assistant time out coordinator behind Tolner.
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Tom Cable is training to become the next John Herrerra …
February 17th, 2010 at 11:41 am
JHill, I simply don’t buy your notion that Al Davis gives his head coaches as much control as the more successful teams in the league do.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:43 am
Seymour, I never said that Turner called the shots in SD. I just said that most owners, including all of the successful teams in the league, give their HC far more control of staff and personnel than Al Davis does.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:45 am
I simply don’t buy your notion that Al Davis gives his head coaches as much control as the more successful teams in the league do.
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Agreed. Davis goes through HC’s like Kell goes through a bottle of prune juice
Players march up to the owners office if there is a problem. they bypass the HC altogether. That should tell you enough about the chain of command in Oakland
February 17th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Players march up to the owners office if there is a problem. they bypass the HC altogether. That should tell you enough about the chain of command in Oakland
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Do we have evidence that this behavior has occurred much these last two seasons? Al has been notably absent from operations compared to the past…
February 17th, 2010 at 11:47 am
You know what? You guys are right about San Diego. Turner likely has very little control there. Maybe even as small of an amount as Cable has under Al Davis. And, SD has been a good football team in recent years. So, that’s really your guys’ only example. Considering that, and the fact that SD is still yet to win a SB, I’d rather do what teams like the Saints are doing. Plus, I don’t think Al Davis understands today’s game as well as AJ Smith. The results would back that up, wouldn’t it? I mean, AJ Smith wins. Al Davis doesn’t. It’s that simple. So the argument that a GM really calls the shots still doesn’t protect Al Davis. It’s all the more reason for him to actually hire someone to replace him as GM.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Physically absent at least.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:48 am
The job of the GM is to put the team together and negotiate the contracts. That’s his job. The job of the coach is to then take those players and get them to win. Coach ‘em up! That’s HIS job. The job of the owner is to hire those guys, and get guys with like philosophies. If you think right now that Cable or Jackson or John Marshall or Pendergrast have little or no input in the decision making process, then why are they all at the Senior Bowl and the combine? To sample the local culture?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Both people that Cable slapped around deserved it MR,..keepin it real…I applauded that. Word.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Good afternoon, fellow Raiders fans. What’s on the agenda for discussion today?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Bo, physical evidence isn’t even needed in a court of law. A case only needs to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. If 20 different people from different walks of lives and with no known common profit motive say that something happened, it happened. I think there’s been enough testimony over the years for any sane person to be thoroughly convinced that Al Davis’s players often circumvent their coaches and go right to Al. I’ll throw JaMarcus Russell out there as one who probably still does it.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:53 am
You guys seen FL Pete in here lately?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:53 am
Steve: the usual
Davis, Cable, Russell and why they all suck
LOL
February 17th, 2010 at 11:54 am
BSJ-
yeah. last time he was in he said something about giving DMC and Condo contract extensions
weird, huh?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:54 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Bo, physical evidence isn’t even needed in a court of law. A case only needs to be proved beyond reasonable doubt. If 20 different people from different walks of lives and with no known common profit motive say that something happened, it happened. I think there’s been enough testimony over the years for any sane person to be thoroughly convinced that Al Davis’s players often circumvent their coaches and go right to Al. I’ll throw JaMarcus Russell out there as one who probably still does it.
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Perhaps. But we used to hear more concrete reference to players visiting Al’s office. It can’t be as pervasive anymore.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:55 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:40 am
JHill, Seymour, from everything that I’ve read, I believe that at least Sean Payton, Tom Coughlin, Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher, and Bill Belichick, as recent Super Bowl winners, have had significant say over their personnel, and likely made most decisions. I obviously have no way of proving this, as you guys have no way of disproving it. While Mike Tomlin might not have significant control, considering how junior he was when winning the Super Bowl, Bill Cowher, his predecessor, likely did.
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Actually, we can disprove this. lst off, the new trend now, is to have completely separate coaching and personnel departments. Guys like Holmgren, Parcells, Gruden are now things of the past. Notice how Holmgren took the front office job not both. Bellichek had the entire Pioli/Floyd Reece team that built their team. That is a well known fact. Pittsburgh has one of the excellent front office teams in Colbert/Ron Hughes/Doug Whaley. Let me explain something: those guys don’t need input from ANYONE. Obviously Dungy has say in who he wanted in Indy. No doubt. But so does Cable.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Seymour Bush, what is your source for that definition of a general manager? Is there an official definition? Does the league have an official definition? Or is that your definition?
February 17th, 2010 at 11:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:54 am
BSJ-
yeah. last time he was in he said something about giving DMC and Condo contract extensions
weird, huh?
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Floridians love them some Condos.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Seymour, I don’t see how that disproves my statement that successful head coaches have a significant amount of control.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Bo Schembechler would have turned McFadden into a combination of Adrian Peterson & Chris Johnson IMO
RIP
February 17th, 2010 at 11:57 am
RMR, the problem with that is that these stories aren’t coming from people who have no common thread. The problem with anecdotal evidence is that a story can be corroborated or repeated or copied by anyone for any reason and there’s no way to know if it’s the truth, embellishment, or someone else jumping on the bandwagon or seeking attention. Anecdotal evidence from sources that share some form of common bond usually can’t be taken for more than face value. Having said that, I firmly believe that certain players have always had, and still do have, a direct line to Al. I think they can circumvent whatever the coach wants and get their way as long as they’re one of Al’s Guys.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:58 am
be back later. another meeting
February 17th, 2010 at 11:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 16th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
I think “McFumble” and “McFelldown” are both BSJ’s
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McFelldown is mine. And don’t forget the Wintern.
February 17th, 2010 at 11:59 am
The definition of GM for the Raiders: The guy Al Davis can let everyone blame for Al Davis’ decisions.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Oh and tom Coughlin worked under Ernie Accorsi and Jerry Reece who were both the protege’s of George Young, who built the bad ass mid 80’s-1990’s NY Giant teams. These are well known facts. Look em up.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I simply don’t buy your notion that Al Davis gives his head coaches as much control as the more successful teams in the league do.
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I’m suggesting that NONE of the HCs have as much control as you are suggesting Raider coaches should have. Not that Tom Cable has much control at all.
I think Kiffin was clearly allowed roster control. 100%? Of course not. He didn’t get the final call on the #1 pick in the draft, but what coach does? ANd what coach should? That should be totally above their pay grade. Scouting dept, and the GM should address personell.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Circumvent, Anecdotel, Embellishment… these are words that do not belong on a Raiders blog!
February 17th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Seymour Bush, what is your source for that definition of a general manager? Is there an official definition? Does the league have an official definition? Or is that your definition?
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That is THE definition. I’m sorry if it conflicts with your definition that the GM is only there to get the Head Coach his morning coffee and croissant.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Bo Schembechler would have turned McFadden into a combination of Adrian Peterson & Chris Johnson IMO
RIP
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Suckass!
February 17th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Steve, that would apply to testimony where there isn’t a victim. For instance, a bunch of people stating that they saw that same alien that we always see in sketches. It’s obviously a hoax by a bunch of sci fi geeks who just correspond with each other from around the world, pretending to be every day citizen witnessing the appearance of these aliens. The reason why it’s merely anecdotal is because we haven’t found a bunch of different people laying dead in corn fields yet with the some strange, webbed hand prints on their body. With the Raiders, at least where football success is concerned, you have victims galore. Coaches are fired while players stay. Players’ career stats, which can make the difference when being considered for the hall of fame, are affected by an owner forcing an ineffective scheme on them, or scholarship players into their lineup who underperform. With the Raiders, the victimhood is constant. Careers are ruined in Oakland. And the testimony all points toward Al Davis.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Isn’t it strange that Steve Alford and Boy George are never seen together at the same time? Makes you think it is more than just a “resemblance”…
February 17th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Seymour, what is your source for that definition, and is that the definition officially recognized by the NFL? I wasn’t aware the NFL General Manager had a specific and official set of responsibilities.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Thanks for catching me up, Rockstar. I’ll try to get up to speed.
Davis: Doesn’t suck, the game has just passed him by and he needs a new Bruce Allen (and a few handfuls of other people) on the staff to filter his thoughts and guide the team in the new era which confounds Al so. Al still has a lot of great stuff in his head… he just can’t tell the difference between the great and the archaic.
Russell: Does suck, and it’s mostly his own fault for coming in overweight and underinformed. I particularly liked on NFLN when Nnamdi said that #2’s problem this past season was coming into not just games without being properly prepared, but into the season as well. Russell has amazing physical gifts, but until he can get the desire and work ethic required to utilize them, we’ll never know if he’s really good enough or intelligent enough to play at this level.
The OL has needed drastic improvement for two years and DHB can’t catch… but that didn’t stop Gradkowski from performing at five times JR’s level… and the OL and DHB didn’t create those 9 interceptions for #2 this year (although DHB actually DID create an interception of Grads, if you remember the perfectly placed pass that he popped off his hands right to a defender). As many excuses as can be made for JR, it still boils down to this: a player who is about to begin his fourth season should certainly be able to read both sides of the field, know the whole playbook, and have at least AVERAGE ability to hold onto the ball when he drops back. I’d love to see him turn it around and become a great Raider (because I know we’ll never cut him), but I would be just as happy to see him walk away from football tomorrow. Basically, I’d be happy with anything besides another year of turnovers and incompletions that are 20 yards from the nearest receiver.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Seymour Bush, that doesn’t prove that Coughlin didn’t have significant control. I never said successful head coaches necessarily have complete control, just that they’re heavily involved. I don’t care if Jesus Christ is Coughlin’s GM. I still believe he makes a lot of pivotal personnel decisions, and just don’t buy your argument to the contrary. I just don’t believe your notion that Tom Cable is given the same amount of control as all other head coaches. I believe he’s given just about the least.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Tiger having a presser today?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
RMR, the fact that the victims in this situation COULD all be using the same convenient excuse to rationalize the failure of their careers in Oakland is the reason why the anecdotal evidence isn’t really evidence and has to be taken at face value. Hypothetically, they all might have sucked or made lots of bad decisions or just not known what they were doing when they were with the Raiders and Al Davis is the perfect reason for them to give in saying “It’s not MY fault… Al did to me exactly what he did to (x)!!!”
I don’t think that’s the case, though. As I said, I believe that Al lets the players’ happiness take precedence over the coaches’ desires and their control over the team. I’m just pointing out again that just because all the anecdotal evidence is in agreement, that doesn’t mean that it’s true. Twenty-five people from different walks of life can be on a baseball team and all of them blame an umpire for a loss, but that doesn’t mean it’s the case. They can all say that they saw the ump give a wink and a nod to their opponent’s manager, but that still doesn’t make it fact.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:55 am
I wasn’t aware the NFL General Manager had a specific and official set of responsibilities.
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As I said earlier Real MaddenRaider you are looking kind of silly and stupid here. So, you think guys like Bill Polian or Mickey Loomis or Bill Parcells or Scott Pioli run onto the practice field with their arms out like airplane wings buzzing around the field for something to do? Doesn’t ANYONE who has a job NORMALLY have a “specific and official set of responsibilities?” Unless I am missing something really transcendent, you are flaming out worse than the Hindenburg here. “Oh the humanities….”
February 17th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade DMAC for a Culture Club LP autographed by Boy George?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Steve, could you give me some examples of the “great” things Al Davis has in his head, where building a winning football team is concerned?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Seymour Bush, I was just asking you if the NFL had an official definition of a GM and their duties. You gave what at least your perceived as a clear definition of a general manager. I didn’t know the NFL clearly defined what a GM is. My question stands. Do they?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Grads played 5 times better than Russell?
LOL!
What does that mean? Certainly didn’t add up to better offense. Our offense was HORRIBLE in the Cincy and Pittsburgh wins.
Funny thing is I was actaully enjoying the Pittsburgh game. I thought Cable was calling a good game, and Grads was playing decent. The I looked up and realized that we had all of 6 pts going into the 4th qtr.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade DMAC for a Culture Club LP autographed by Boy George?
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Deal! And you can keep the LP.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
Also, Seymour, I never said anyone runs out with their arms out, or whatever. I don’t know what you mean by that. I just said that I believe the most successful coaches in the league have far more control over personnel and scheme than Tom Cable does in Oakland, and don’t buy your arguments to the contrary. In fact, your argument that Cable has just as much control as other coaches in the league is what’s silly to me.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I just don’t believe your notion that Tom Cable is given the same amount of control as all other head coaches. I believe he’s given just about the least.
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lst you were saying guys like Cowher and Jim Caldwell made ALL the personnel decisions and Davis made ALL the personnel decisions. Now, you have backtracked and said some coaches probably have more control in those decisions then others. Well, hallelujia!! You think Andy Reid has more personnel control than Jim Mora jr. did last year? Holy moly, get this guy a lollipop.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
RMR, Drafting Nnamdi (who no one thought was a good pick for the spot where we took him, especially if the intent was to convert him from safety to cover corner) is a great football thought that Al still had in his head. There are several others, but I’m not going to make a list because I’m not trying to defend Al, merely stating that for every good thought he has, there are a ton of bad ones and he needs a new Bruce Allen and some more front office help in order for him to have a chance of succeeding in the modern NFL.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Back up. Back up. I never once said that Cowher and Caldwell make “all” of the decisions. I never insisted that any head coach makes all decisions, although I did say it’s possible that some do. “thrown the keys”, I believe, is the phrase I used. Don’t put words into my mouth, Seymour. It’s a cheap way of winning an argument. All I said was that I believe most coaches in the NFL have more control than Tom Cable. Your attempts to convince me otherwise have been unsuccessful. In fact, to use your word, they’ve been “silly”.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
So RMR,
I think to a degree, you are right about Al Davis having an influence on scheme. But it is overstated. Fact of the matter is Ryan was installing the 3-4 until it was plaily obvious Sapp couldn’t play DE.
Last year, we played man, zone, blitzed, had Nnamid at S, moved Scott around, dropped our DT into a zone, and all kinda things. Certainly ran a lot of man though, as we should.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Ron Wolf is the prototype, not Bruce Allen.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Steve, I don’t recall a lot of criticism for drafting Nnamdi. Who do you mean specifically when you say “nobody” thought it was a good idea? I was well aware of Nnamdi and thought it was a great pick from the get go, and I never watch college football. I’m also usually skeptical of Al. I’m as lay as you can get on college players and drafting. And I knew Nnamdi would be great. Guess I’ve got great ideas, too. Hate to burst your bubble, though, but I just didn’t see the criticism you’re talking about in response to Al drafting Nnamdi, and that Al somehow went on a limb with that brilliant idea. It was common knowledge Nnamdi was a player. That’s right up there with the myth that Al Davis picked Gruden out of the rough. He was well coveted for a couple of years before we hired him.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Of course Jhill, in the last SEC championship game Urban Meyer was running man coverages trying to win and move on to the National Championship game. But hey, it’s an antiquated system that no one would use anymore, right?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
JHill, I didn’t see that zone defense you’re talking about. We used a lot of 2 man under, as we always do. We used a lot of cover 1 in that first game against SD, which worked like gangbusters. It could be our defense, and, it is a man defense. But you still have to mix in other coverage shells to keep the QB guessing. We ditched that cover 1, anyway. Heck, we ditched it that game, and went to a prevent and allowed SD to march right downfield for the win. Thanks, Al.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
@jhill:
Yes, Gradkowski played five times better than Russell. Did you happen to notice that Grad got the ball out quickly, knows how to use his feet, can read both sides of the field, throws his passes with much more accuracy, knows the playbook, has the ability to lead a team, and generally did everything on a football field MUCH better than JR did.
Did Gradkowski go 6-0 in starts? No. Does that have any bearing on whether or not he played better than Russell? No. I wouldn’t care if we had lost all of the games that Gradkowski started last year, I would still say that he played a ton better than #2 and an offense has a much greater chance of success with #5 than with #2 this season, unless JR does a WHOLE LOT of work and improves nearly every aspect of his game. Seriously, how could you watch Russell and Gradkowski and NOT think that Gradkowski played much better? Just the fact accuracy, reading both sides, and getting the ball out quickly… just those three things make Gradkowski’s play last year at least 5 times better than Russell and his 2-9 TD-INT ratio and his too many fumbles to count.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 11:24 am
JHill, most the head coaches of most Super Bowl winning teams were heavily involved with personnel decisions, if not given the keys outright.
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Back up. Back up. I never once said that Cowher and Caldwell make “all” of the decisions.
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So what does given the keys outright mean?
February 17th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Al Davis picked Gruden out of the rough. He was well coveted for a couple of years before we hired him.
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Had he interviewed with anyone before we hired him as HC? Yes, Al Davis.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Seymour, you’re just making me laugh, now. You’re not going to use a college football team to explain Al’s overuse of the man defense in the NFL, are you? Please tell me you’re not.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Bo, we were floating a youtube video around here a couple of years ago when this debate came up. It’s from the 2007 season, in a pregame show, where Fox’s Jim Brown is giving a run down of all of the teams interested in Gruden. The Raiders were just one team on a list of about 5 teams. Gruden was one of the hottest assistants in the league when we hired him, Bo. I don’t think that youtube exists anymore, as I tried to find that video to refute someone else a few months back who was acting as if Gruden worked at McDonald’s when Al discovered him.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Excuse me…the Gruden youtube video, with the fox news pregame show talking about teams looking to hire him, was from 1997, not 2007.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
RMR:
I’m going to have to google now in order to find specific articles, but I remember a bit of criticism for drafting Nnamdi in the first round (no one said he sucked, just that it was a stretch to take him 31st overall) and a LOT of criticism for moving him to Corner in a primarily man-to-man defensive backfield after he’d played his entire college career at Free Safety. This was all six years ago, of course, so I’ll have to do some digging and hardcore searching to try to find some links.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Seymour Bush, given the keys means complete control, but I still only said it’s possible. I didn’t say it’s a certainty. And I never mentioned anyone by name.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Have fun with the google search, Steve, because I just don’t recall it. I only remember praise when Nnamdi was drafted.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
And, now it’s “a bit of criticism”? You said “nobody” believed in Nnamdi, but Al. Now you’re backpedaling and saying that there was a few people criticizing it? Come on. Al Davis did not go out on a limb to draft Nnamdi Asomugha. It was not some outside the box, brilliant idea. It was a good idea, but not exactly brilliant as everyone knew he was good. It was about as brilliant as picking up a 100 dollar bill off the ground. Oh, boo yah!!!
February 17th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
1. There was definately a lot of head scratching when Al picked Nnamdi.
2. Gruden had interviewed with Al Davis several times before we hired him. There is no evidence he interviewed anywhere else for HC before Oakland.
3. Other innovative Al ideas from the last 10+ years: suggesting Gruden consider Gannon; signing Rice when he looked done in SF; suing Oakhole; reinventing Lincoln Kennedy…
February 17th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
jhill Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
So RMR,
I think to a degree, you are right about Al Davis having an influence on scheme. But it is overstated. Fact of the matter is Ryan was installing the 3-4 until it was plaily obvious Sapp couldn’t play DE.
Last year, we played man, zone, blitzed, had Nnamid at S, moved Scott around, dropped our DT into a zone, and all kinda things. Certainly ran a lot of man though, as we should.
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Correct.
The notion that we run a vanilla man defense the majority of the time is incorrect.
Per Davis’s philosophy, we mix in alot of things.
Often I disagree with zone where we drop a DT. I’ve yet to see Gerard Warren pick one off or even defense a pass in coverage.
Saw more effective blitzing last year under the Marshall plan and it was fun. Got burned by it a few times too, but seeing 2 LBs, corners, both safeties and combos of all of them was pretty good.
Didn’t get there everytime, but pressured well.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Okay, all the relevant search terms still turn up millions of articles all dated THIS year alone, so I give up on trying to find ones from 2003. The point is that I clearly remember a lot of media criticism for switching Nnamdi to a cover corner after he had only played free safety at Cal.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
717. The old man gets scorn when his ideas flop (and when his decisions cost us 7 yrs of losses) but doesn’t seem to get = amounts of credit for his successes. Probably might if they’d resulted in wins the last few years…
February 17th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Okay, all the relevant search terms still turn up millions of articles all dated THIS year alone, so I give up on trying to find ones from 2003. The point is that I clearly remember a lot of media criticism for switching Nnamdi to a cover corner after he had only played free safety at Cal.
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The days of things staying posted forever are gone.
Nets being purged.
February 17th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Seymour Bush, given the keys means complete control, but I still only said it’s possible. I didn’t say it’s a certainty. And I never mentioned anyone by name.
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RealMadden Raider you are turning into Richard Simmons before all of our eyes. You are flaming here dude.
When the Raiders drafted Nnamdi in the lst round, there were a LOT of raised eyebrows. And that was a Davis pick. But of course so were Napoleon Harris and Tyler Brayton.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
is TN considered “podunk” ???
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Podunk is everywhere and nowhere
February 17th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
And I admit that I used a bit of hyperbole when I said “no one” thought he was a good pick, but then in the same sentence, I clarified by saying especially with the intent to move him to cover corner. The fact that we drafted him in the first round in order to move him to a position that he’d never played and that entailed very different responsibilities than the only position he’d played in college WAS criticized and the “no one” there IS accurate in that I can’t recall a single person in the media saying anything positive about drafting him with intent to move him to a cover corner. I’ll give you a C-note if you can find a single article from ‘03 that praises drafting Nnamdi at 31 overall AND mentions converting him. You might find a couple that say it was a good pick, but I bet you won’t find any that say he was a good pick for use as a cover corner.
No matter how you say you remember it, there wasn’t any praise for that. Do you realize that it was 2006 before he got his first interception? You seriously don’t remember ANY of the criticism between the ‘03 draft and a ‘06 about how he was a wasted pick? I suppose you don’t remember any of the talk about Huff being a bust between the ‘06 draft and this past season when it stopped? Now that Huff appears to be turning the corner and becoming a good NFL player, that talk seems to be over, just as it ended for Aso. I guess if Huff becomes a Pro-Bowler in a couple of years, you’ll say that there was never any criticism of him being taken at 7 overall and that no one ever said he was a bust and that the past four years of smacktalk about him being a wasted pick DIDN’T happen, right?
February 17th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Alford,
It’s pointless to debate Russell. Agree with you on some of your points related to him, but I think the point is the offense being better. The offense, IMO, was not any better with Grads or Frye than it was with Russell. That’s more of an indictment of the OL and young WRs than it is Russell, Grads, or Frye.
Grads is much more mobile than Russell so of course he played “faster” and made the OL look better. Vick would do an even better job of playing faster, but I don’t want him either.
I don’t buy the didn’t know the playbook angle. Russell was benched for not getting the ball to the WRs. He didn’t even look DHBs way. There was no time to look at the whole field. Our Oline was horrible. Standing in the pocket letting plays “develop” got Grads and Frye knocked out of games!
February 17th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Yeah …
The bust talk of Nnamdi prior to his 1st pick was right up there with Russell, Gallery, and Huff.
And as soon as Russell wins the division next year, he’ll be loved just like the rest of those guys, lol.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
John Mellencamp for Senator!
February 17th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
This is our country…
February 17th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Personally I don’t think Nnamdi is as good as everyone thinks.
I think he is good, don’t get me wrong, but I think that he is more of a product of teams simply not having to challenge him because of our inability to stop the run and score points.
If teams had to go at him they could have success against him, they just don’t have to so why bother?
He is good, just not HOF good.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Mellencamp is cool. He was on Bill Maher and Maher asked him why he sold out, with the truck commercials. Mellencamp said that’s the only way his music will be heard anymore. Got to respect the grounded honesty. Cool guy.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
jhill,
How can you say that the offense wasn’t better with Gradkowski than it was with Russell? The offensive production went up in every positive category, especially the one that matters most: points per game. Are you going to attribute that to the fact that Gallery was back from injury for most of Gradkowski’s snaps? If so, then I counter with the question: Then why hasn’t the offensive production for every JR start in which Gallery played been up to the level of the production in the Gradkowski games where Gallery played?
All other things being made equal (or looked at when they are as close to equal as possible), Gradkowski played much better than Russell. Receivers dropped passes for Gradkowski, too. The difference is that Gradkowski drops primarily hit the receivers in the hands and in stride and were flat drops; Russell drops were primarily thrown behind receivers or way over their heads, causing them to try to adjust wildly at the last second. There were a FEW flat-out drops for Russell, but most of the drops were caused by bad throws. I’m surprised he didn’t get someone killed with the passes behind guys over the middle (to WRs on crossing routes AND to backs on checkdowns). There were several times when I thought we’d lose players for the year after #2 hung someone out like that.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
He got Miller and JLH killed!
February 17th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
OK, guys, even though I don’t remember the widespread criticism of drafting Nnamdi, I’ll give you guys that one, anyway. Steve, I believe, said that Al still has a lot of great ideas. Today, Bo, not 10 years ago, when he hired Gruden. What do you see with this Raider team now that you can attribute to Al Davis’s “great” idea? To ANYONE’S great idea, for that matter? It seems to me the only thing Al Davis is capable of doing anymore that’s great is keeping a larger consumer base than most owner with his performance would have, due to brilliant marketing…the “Raider Nation”, family approach to Raider fanaticism. That is a good idea, because it’s all that saves him from seeing completely empty stadiums on Sundays.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Starting Gradkowski won’t improve anything. He’ll just get injured early in the season, due to our line and our playcalling, which is about the worst offensive playcalling where protecting the QB is concerned. Russell is awful. But the one attribute he does have is that he’s big, and can sustain the hits that a QB has to take in our offense. Gradkowski can’t. That’s why he finished the season on the bench.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Without a completely overhauled offense, with a new offensive line, a QB like Gradkowski is useless.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
I personally believe that hiring Marshall as DC was a great decision when most people assumed that Al would just extend Retard Ryan’s contract (because they were all buddy-buddy and Ryan had Al’s total support no matter how badly he screwed up and no matter how many games he blew by going to prevent with 13 minutes left and a five point lead). That hiring seemed to be a brilliant move by me… and will show more fruit when Al allows Marshall to blitz more and use more exotic schemes. Progress was made there this year, but I think more will come. Now, how many prognosticators were calling for teams to hire Marshall as a DC before we did? Was that common thought and was it just a “duh” move by Al, too?
February 17th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Alford,
The point is the offense didn’t do anything with Grads back there. You say you don’t care if we went 0-6 with him back there? Well that’s kinda the point man.
The last 2 times we saw Russell in a game, he looked much better than he did earlier in the year. Won the Denver game, and looked good against the Ravens except for when Henderson was getting beat like a drum.
Our offense was bad with Grads, bad with Frye, and bad with Russell.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Garbagekowski isn’t the answer…
Career stats: 279 for 523, 53.3 comp %, 2,824 yards, 15 TDs, 16 INTs, QB rating of 65.9
Last year in his “great year” Garbage complete 54% of his passes….Shaq has had better free throw shooting percentages than that in the past.
Just because he looked better than Russell doesn’t make him the answer…it just makes him a slightly better smelling POS QB.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
(Your the GM, and want to select a QB in this years draft.) Who do you draft?
February 17th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
I bet Clausen doesn’t get a 65.9 rating for a season…
February 17th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RMR,
Hue Jackson has experience with offensive systems that protect young QBs. Now that he is in charge of calling the plays, I believe there will be fewer big hits even though the line still sucks (as of today, before draft or Free Agency improvements… hopefully). The offensive philosophy will become one that should reduce injuries to the QB. Having said that, would you rather have Russell in there taking fewer hits and making bad throws or Gradkowski in there taking fewer hits and making good throws or finding yardage with his legs? Even if Gradkowski gets injured, I’d rather have him start the game and leave with a tie or small deficit in the second half than have Russell start the game and be down by 21 at halftime. Russell’s only good work last year (after the opener) were in games in which he came off the bench. Even then, it took some good luck on 4th-and-forever plays for him to get first downs. The bottom line for me is that I’d rather have Gradkowski behind ANY line (good, bad, or ugly) than JaMarcus… at least until #2 proves that he has a commitment to the game and to improvement… and learns how to read both sides of the field.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Are you going to attribute that to the fact that Gallery was back from injury for most of Gradkowski’s snaps? If so, then I counter with the question: Then why hasn’t the offensive production for every JR start in which Gallery played been up to the level of the production in the Gradkowski games where Gallery played?
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The offensive production was very good in game one for the offense with Gallery in there. Dropped TD pass by Murphy at the half, and the DMAC fumble spoiled our offensive production.
Gallery got hurt in game 2. We won that game, right? Russell was awful right up until the final drive.
Offense was no where to be found once Morris stepped in for Gallery. No running game, and no pass protection. Not to mention Green going down too. Amazingly, Green was better than Pears and Barnes. How long did it take Satele to learn the blocking assignments, lol?
We all know Russell has to “work harder”, but we also know that Russell has more talent than Grads. And we also know that the Oline, WRs, and play calling were all just as bad, if not worse than Russell was last year. They were all awful.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
I bet Clausen doesn’t get a 65.9 rating for a season…
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Yeah, I too seriously doubt he will ever have a 65.9 passer rating…it will never fall that low.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Again, jhill… how can you say that the offense didn’t do anything with Gradkowski? Look at the production with Gradkowski versus the production with Russell. Every category went up drastically, including almost TWICE AS MANY POINTS PER GAME. You can’t call that “not doing better.” I’m not saying to cut JaMarcus. I say to give him his shot one last time. Find out if the improvements he showed can be built upon and see if he can dedicate himself and learn to be a quality NFL QB. But I think that camp should be an open and fair competition and based upon what I’ve seen so far, Gradkowski is the guy at this moment. Unless #2 proves otherwise in camp, I say Gradkowski should start the season.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
Last year in his “great year” Garbage complete 54% of his passes….
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Exactly!
February 17th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
I’m not saying Russell should be the starter Alford. I’m just saying that Grads should NOT be the guy. I’d prefer Losman.
And again, the offense didn’t produce man. I don’t care what the stats say. The Cincy game? He has 100 yds passing until the last drive. Got lucky with a dropped pick and STs fumble.
6 pts going into the 4th qtr at Pittsburgh and then the luckiest 4th qtr in years.
Grads is not the guy man.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
OK Dakota. Clausen will be a stud.
Now relax and take it eeeaaasssyyyy. Maybe hire some counter help for the shop?
February 17th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
“luckiest 4th qtr in years.”
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It was Stableresque. Grads does appear to improve under pressure, say what you will about him. It wasn’t simply luck.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
This just in: Stallworth was signed by the Ravens.
Thank goodness we didn’t pick him up. To be honest, I was a little afraid that we would. Wouldn’t that have been great? Stallworth and Javon Walker as a tandem… on the bench, only here to “mentor” the young guys and contribute nothing of value. I knew that there was no logical reason for us to go after Stallworth and no need to do it considering the price vs. value for him… which is why I was so scared that we WOULD go get him. *whew*
February 17th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Mitch Kokchap and John Malkovich. Seperated at birth?
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef012877b01f6d970c-pi
GO LAKERS!
Trade DMAC for Sasha Vujacic!
February 17th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
# jhill Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Yeah …
The bust talk of Nnamdi prior to his 1st pick was right up there with Russell, Gallery, and Huff.
And as soon as Russell wins the division next year, he’ll be loved just like the rest of those guys, lol.
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Lunchtime humor…gotta love it.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
DMAC Says:
February 17th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
He got Miller and JLH killed!
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When did he get JLH killed?
February 17th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Even then, it took some good luck on 4th-and-forever plays for him to get first downs
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Steve, I know you hate Russell. But you have got to explain yourself here.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Was Marshall a good hire? Compared to Rob Ryan maybe, but that again is just a case of one turd making another turd look good.
Let me dig up the stats.
Okay:
09′ under Marshall
23rd in points allowed per game
26th in yards allowed per game
7th in pass D
29th in rush D
08′ under Ryan
24th in points allowed per game
27th in yards allowed per game
10th in pass D
31st in rush D
Nothing to write home about IMO.
With the exception of one good year in SF, Marshall has been a average to below average DC, especially against the run.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
I was greatly in favor of signing Losman and I think he should have his chance more than just that ONE snap he played last year for us. When I said that I want an open competition in camp, I meant for Russell, Gradkowski, Losman, Frye, and anyone else we can get to come in who is hopefully an upgrade over all of the aforementioned. I am calling Gradkowski the guy for now based on his comparison to Russell so far and the fact that we have no real basis of comparison for Losman yet. You can’t call Losman’s non-NFL success a valid look at what he’ll do for us any more than you can use the one play he was in last year as a basis for same. I had high hopes for Losman and still do, but he hasn’t proven anything yet, while Gradkowski HAS proven that he’s an upgrade over Russell. It’s Grads until someone takes the position and shows that it’s theirs in an open competition (in MY opinion).
February 17th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Debo, I would be glad to explain myself on that one.
Remember the game that we won in Denver when Russell came off the bench? Do you remember a 4th-and-forever that we thankfully converted with Russell in there? If JR was better at playing his position, then he might have some manageable 3rd downs instead of 3rd and long that turns into 4th and long. And I don’t hate Russell… I hate the fact that he hasn’t put in the work to be where a guy who just finished his third season should be. I hate that he can’t read both sides of the field. I hate that he’s overweight. I hate that he holds the ball below his waist when he drops back. I hate that he fumbles whenever a defender touches him (better than DMAC tackling himself and stripping the ball from himself on the way down, though). I hate that he throws behind or over receivers across the middle. I hate that he had a 2-9 TD-INT ratio last year. I don’t hate him as a person, but I hate what he’s done so far as a Raider… and until he dedicates himself and does what he needs to do in order to succeed, I will continue to hate the fact that he’s on the roster.
February 17th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Okay, I just had an epiphany. #2’s best production after game 1 last year came in his relief appearances, right? Okay, I have decided that I am in favor of keeping Russell for the year as the emergency QB and instead of letting him start every preseason game, we let him play the entire second half of each preseason game. That way he gets a lot more snaps in game situations and they’re against second and third string defenses so he has a chance to improve. I’m okay with him on the roster this season as long as there are no expectations or responsibilities placed on him other than to learn and improve and get in shape (and stay there). As long as he’s not the starter or asked to be, then I’m okay with him being here with the goal of someday getting him to that point. For now, though, he’s not there and isn’t ready to be thrust into that position.
February 17th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Dakota:
The inability to stop the run last year was more a function of horrible offensive line play letting offensive linemen get to the second level with their blocks than it was of bad defensive playcalling. If our defensive tackles were better than second-string quality (for any other team), then the run d wouldn’t be so porous. The reason that Morrison leads the team in tackles is because opponents just keep running it right up the middle on us with offensive guards and centers destroying Kelly and Warren with Morrison left holding the bag seven yards downfield to make the tackle when the ballcarriers run through the massive holes up front. You can’t blame the lack of run stoppage on the coordinator when the DTs can’t fight off a block. You can’t blame the run d’s yards against average on Marshall any more than you could on Ryan.
My argument against Ryan wasn’t about run d yardage, it was about how he went to a prevent defense every time we had a lead in hte fourth quarter… EVERY TIME. No matter how much time was left in the game. He caused us to lose more “won” games than anyone or anything else during his tenure. The only times that Ryan didn’t kill us in those situations were when we blocked a field goal against the Browns as time expired to keep the lead and in the game where Kiffin used the sneaky timeout just before the snap of a potential game-winning field goal and then the opponent missed the second try. If not for those two incidents, Ryan’s fourth quarter stupidity would’ve cost us two more than the many that it did anyway.
February 17th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
With two minutes left in the game and and an offensive line that’s a sieve, who the hell cares how many downs it takes to pick up a 1st down? There was absolutely no luck involved. It was because of JR’s arm strength, accuracy, physical toughness and his ability to overcome extreme adversity that the Raiders were able to pull that game out. Since it’s obvious you don’t remember, go back and look at that 4th and 10 play. Our OL had opened the floodgates in the 4th qtr. Charlie Frye got knocked out and both JR and Losman took devastating hits. But on that play, JR used his pocket presence and mobilility to cooly slide left away from Vonnie Hollliday, who had been living in the backfield, and fired a perfect strike to Tony Stewart who was in single coverage. Under the pressure of the rush and the pressure of losing the game, JR found the right guy and put the ball where only the receiver could catch it for a 1st down. Oh, and it was on the road too. After that, he couldn’t be stopped and you know how it ended. Bottom line, I don’t care what you think of the guy. There’s no way you can take that victory from him. It was his THIRD game winning/tying drive of the season. How many of those do Flacco or Ryan have in their careers? This guy is clearly special.
February 17th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
I wasn’t taking the win away from him, merely stating that it took getting a miracle completion on fourth and forever to keep that drive going. Given JR’s completion percentage, there’s no arguing that it’s a miracle that he converted, especially since there was heat in his face. If Russell has such amazing qualities in his “arm strength, accuracy, physical toughness and his ability to overcome extreme adversity,” then why was his record such horrible crap and why were his only decent performances after game 1 last year in relief appearances? If he’s really such a great QB like you’re trying to imply, then why did he produce so little when Gradkowski produced double the numbers with the same offensive line? You can’t blame the O Line for it all when someone else stepped in and beat playoff teams (except Pittsburgh, who fell off after the SB of the previous year, and KC). Taking all things into account, a guy that you all call a journeyman and say is pure crap (Gradkowski) performed much better than the guy that you’re saying is so admirable.
February 17th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
Just to clarify, I’m not defending the offensive line, either. They suck and are all scrap-heap castoffs. We need massive upgrades on the offensive line. I was just saying that you can’t use the offensive line to excuse JR’s troubles when Gradkowski was behind the same line and performed much better. The O Line sucks, DHB can’t catch, and DMAC tackles himself and then strips the ball from himself on his way down. Those are all problems. The fact that those problems exist doesn’t take away from the fact that Russell is a problem, too. I know you want to defend your guy, but the numbers don’t lie. Wins, completions, touchdowns, third down conversions, first downs… in every way except height, weight, interceptions, and fumbles… Gradkowski gives us more than Russell does.
February 17th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Steve, the same OL got Grads knocked out for the year. The guy doesn’t have the physical stature or tools to start in this league. It’s not like he hasn’t had his chances. And he played with Chaz during all his starts and DHB for only two of them. If you really want to compare appples to apples, how did Grads do in relief appearances agaisnt the Jets and Kansas City? Grads didn’t lead the offense to ONE point. Those are the only two instances where you can say he played with the same supporting cast as JR. Tell me one thing you liked about his performance against the Cowboys?
February 18th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Spending $8 million a year on a kicker and a punter??!!!! Yikes!! Al must have accidentally added a zero to the figures when presenting Shane’s contract and forgotten to fix the error with Sea-bass’s…lol.. Seriously, $4 million a year for both will get you the cream of the kicking crop, and the other $4 million could buy someone to stop the run (which might actually help this team win some games).
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