Position group analysis: Quarterbacks
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, February 22nd, 2010 at 12:11 pm in Oakland Raiders.
First in a series taking a look at Raiders position groups as the NFL teams convene in Indianapolis this week for the scouting combine:
Starter: Bruce Gradkowski/JaMarcus Russell. Backups: Charlie Frye, J.P. Losman.
Review: Any progress Russell made at the end of the 2009 seemed to evaporate from the time of the season finale against Tampa Bay to the first public workouts of the offseason. He was sluggish and inaccurate from the outset of minicamps and OTAs, failing to complete even the most basic passes. The decision to sign Jeff Garcia as a backup and/or mentor had little effect as it was made clear to both men Russell was the unquestioned starter.
When training camp arrived, Russell continued to struggle and Garcia, who looked as if he regretted his decision to sign with the Raiders, missed significant practice time with a calf strain and eventually requested to be released at the final cutdown.
Gradkowski was suddenly the backup instead of hoping to remain as No. 3. Russell, saddled with a young receiving corps, spotty protection and a running game the Raiders thought would be better, never got on track in terms of preparation, performance and leadership. When Tom Cable went to Gradkowski with the blessing of Al Davis, players fell all over themselves with glowing tributes to the hard work and leadership skills of the new starter. Rookie wide receiver Louis Murphy went so far as to call him “punctual.”
Only someone incapable of reading between the lines would miss the message _ Gradkowski was everything Russell was not in terms of many of the non-physical attributes needed by an NFL quarterback.
Gradkowski led the Raiders to a pair of come from behind victories (Cincinnati and Pittsburgh) and gave the Raiders some of their best quarterback play since Kerry Collins in 2005 (admittedly, that’s not setting the bar at the level of a consistent winner). A pair of torn MCLs brought in Frye, another worker bee who even contributed to game plans.
Losman was brought in when Gradkowski was injured after leading Las Vegas to a UFL title.
Contract status: Russell remains under contract and stands to make $9.45 million this season. Gradkowski is a restricted free agent. Frye will be a restricted free agent unless a collective bargaining agreement is reached before March 5, making him unrestricted. Losman is an unrestricted free agent.
What’s next: If the Raiders are seriously looking at quarterback prospects in Indianapolis, chances are it would be for a developmental player in a mid- to late round.
Considering the way Russell performed when handed the job with no competition, expect the Raiders to bring back Gradkowski and have a split-rep setup through the offseason and into training camp. This is a huge offseason for Russell, who took considerable heat from the TNT announcing crew for showing up at a Phoenix Suns game disguised as a jewelry store, including a diamond-encrusted figurine hanging from a chain in his own likeness.
There has been talk that Russell was actually in Phoenix to work out and get in shape. However, neither the Raiders nor Russell’s agents want any part of confirming what would be good news and positive publicity for his client. Why? Maybe it’s just because that’s how the Raiders operate, or maybe it’s because they’d like to see some real change before being too effusive in their comments.
Rest assured new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson and Davis talked about Russell at length. It will be Jackson’s job not only to be firm with Russell, but also rebuild his confidence.
Judging from the way 2009 went down, the Raiders have hopefully told Russell he’ll have to earn all the playing time he gets and give Gradkowski a legitimate chance to win the job. Russell has to win back a lot of teammates who are rightly concerned about his maturity and dedication.
The veteran crop of free agents is uninspiring.
A link to prospects at the scouting combine on Raiders.com is here.
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February 22nd, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Primero?
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:15 pm
segundo
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Lefty,
Anything outside of actual film is nothing but my opinion vs yours. I thought we could move past that by actually discussing what both of us can see in front of us.
6 fumbles = fumbling machine?
How many are acceptable with an acknowledge terrible Oline?
Just talking about the one play on the tape, was Barnes punked or not? Was Russell in the process of throwing the ball when he was hit?
Outside of having a set of eyes in the back of his head, what else should he have done differently?
And along the same lines, I don’t think the play where Grads fumbled while being hit from behind was a lack of pocket presence either.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
*Russell has to win back a lot of teammates who are rightly concerned about his maturity and dedication
*When Tom Cable went to Gradkowski with the blessing of Al Davis, players fell all over themselves with glowing tributes to the hard work and leadership skills of the new starter. Rookie wide receiver Louis Murphy went so far as to call him “punctual
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There it is folks, teammates prefer Grads.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
RRS,
I never said I wanted Barnes resigned. Why you keep posting that is hilarious. Repost me saying it.
I said that I thought CABLE would bring him back. Key word THOUGHT. After all, he signed him last offseason to be his starting LT so why would he feel any differently after Mario had a bad offseason and HIS guy never got a shot due to injury?
And it was one bad play by a backup in a new position, lol. Point is how was the fumble on that play by Russell because of a lack of pocket presense.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
6th?
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm
BBL
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:30 pm
LOL at Murphy calling Grads “punctual”.
According to Websters’:
Punctuality is the characteristic of being able to complete a required task or fulfill an obligation before or at a previously-designated time. “Punctual” is often used synonymously with “on time.”
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I said that I thought CABLE would bring him back. Key word THOUGHT. After all, he signed him last offseason to be his starting LT so why would he feel any differently after Mario had a bad offseason and HIS guy never got a shot due to injury?
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Barnes was brought in to start at LT?
link please!
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:33 pm
So basically Jamarcus wasn’t “on-time” and failed to do his “required tasks by a previously designated time”.
According to our leading WR last year.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:36 pm
showing up at a Phoenix Suns game disguised as a jewelry store, including a diamond-encrusted figurine hanging from a chain in his own likeness.
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any other starting NFL QB’s doing this?
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
How much of an arm does a QB need?
In the Dallas preseason game, at the 3:00 minute mark in the clip, Bruce (somewhat flat-footed) throws the ball 55 yards in the air.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSVy9M1vrcE&feature=related
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Vegas:
If a QB wasn’t drafted #1 overall and can’t throw 70 yards from his knees Al Davis & Jhill don’t want him. PERIOD
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Vince Wilfork officially tagged.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:49 pm
I am aware of this, lol.
I can’t wait to see the training camp battle and the preseason games. It gives us something to watch during the preseason, that’s for sure.
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Russell has 354 completions and 18 TD’s in 3 NFL seasons …
I’m sure Al Davis or JaBlubber lovers have posted every one on YouTube or a similar site to prove he really is the “chosen one”
haha!
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Vegas
Did you see that come back last night? It was a thing of beauty, down 18 and they pulled it out. Nice backcourt play with 2 bigs on the floor at the same time! The Arena was rockin as usual. Maybe Ellis and Curry CAN play together!
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Dogg,
What a game!! The Warriors made the 4th quarter run with Ellis on the bench, remember.
Curry is going to be the much better all-around player. The guy’s basketball IQ is off the charts.
I still think they move Ellis this offseason.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:00 pm
JaWeHateHim has been paid over 2 million dollars a TD pass. Brady and Manning could eliminate the national debt for EVERY country if they made that much per TD pass… lol
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Mike Florio talking smack again!!
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/22/prepare-for-the-inaugural-raidercruise/
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Vegas
Yes Ellis was on the bench but in the end he made some key plays like that steal and dunk putting the W’s up by 1 and then nailing those 2 FT’s at the end to seal it. But yes, I really am impressed with how quickly Curry has come along. He is clearly a smart kid.
I would not be surprised to see Ellis go, especially in exchange for a big man. Plus Ellis reminds me of JaMarcus in the way that he talks. He just sounds like an uneducated idiot…
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Nellie would probably trade Ellis for another 2 guard.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm
jhill Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
RRS,
I never said I wanted Barnes resigned. Why you keep posting that is hilarious. Repost me saying it.
I said that I thought CABLE would bring him back. Key word THOUGHT. After all, he signed him last offseason to be his starting LT so why would he feel any differently after Mario had a bad offseason and HIS guy never got a shot due to injury?
And it was one bad play by a backup in a new position, lol. Point is how was the fumble on that play by Russell because of a lack of pocket presense.
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You’re so right on Jhill. This pocket presence garbage is such BS! There’s a damn good chance that any QB blindsided while in the act of throwing will fumble. If you don’t want your QB to fumble, quit letting him get hit! Dorks like Dan Dierdorf have convinced too many of these sheep that JaMarcus doesn’t have “pocket presence”. What a joke!
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Deep within the bowels of the Legion of Doom (Oakland Raiders Headquarters – Alameda, CA), the Supreme Commander of the Silver & Black ponders the looming 2010 season.
Al (into the intercom): John, I need you to grab your stopwatch and help that oaf Cable at the combine. I don’t think he would know football talent if it crawled on his head and dropped a deuce.
Cable: Uh, I’m sitting right here, Mr. Davis.
Al: I know, stupid. Is that understood, John?
Herrera: Yes, sir, Mr. Davis!
Al: Good. Now bring in my blankie and Mr. Teddy. It’s time for my movie.
Herrera: Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants again, Mr. Davis?
Al: It’s Monday, isn’t it?
Herrera: Of course sir, how idiotic of me, Mr. Davis. I’m obviously not worthy of being your lowly assistant.
Al: Secretary.
Herrera: Um… (defeated) yes, Mr. Davis.
Al: Now, Todd —
Cable: (sigh) Tom.
Al: That’s Mr. Davis!
Cable: No, I’m Tom.
Al: It doesn’t matter, that other fella – the colored guy – he’ll be taking your job soon enough, Tim.
Cable: Sir, I’m trying to win over this locker room, and I’ve made great strides, but they keep quitting on Russell. I’m a middle linebacker and a nose guard away from making this happen, but I need Gradkowski in there at quarterback.
Al: The Pollock? (flipping through papers) What was his 40 time?
Cable: Mr. Davis – Al… Bruce has all the intangibles. No, he doesn’t have the arm or the height of a JaMarcus Russell but these guys believe in him. If for no other reason than he’s a professional and he’s NOT JaMarcus Russell.
Al: Nonsense. He’s probably in Phoenix right now, streamlining and perfecting.
Cable: Did you see him at that basketball game? He looks like Little Richard and Flavor Flave’s lovechild for Chrissakes! I honestly think he’s scarfing down Double Doubles and smoking pot right now. Heck, he may even be having sex with prostitutes from what I heard.
Al: Of course he is you twit. The finest money can buy. Go beat your wife. I don’t care what you do. Get out of my sight.
Cable scoots back about a foot to leave his chair.
Al: Good.
Cable: Mr. Davis, I haven’t even left the room yet.
Al: But you’re already out of my sight. Just wait til you’re my age, Ted. Only you won’t have one of these to change you.
Al: (to intercom): Herrera!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
“Russell, saddled with a young receiving corps, spotty protection and a running game the Raiders thought would be better”
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Gotta give Jerry credit for mentioning this at least. But the “young recieving corps” part is a big understatement. Rookies Jerry! And in DHB, a very raw rookie.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:21 pm
If I take a QB late and he is still there, I am rolling the dice with this guy:
Tony Pike | 6′6″ | 210 pounds | Cincinnati
Saw action in 27 games for the Bearcats, completed 421 of 682 pass attempts for 5,018 yards, 49 TDs and 20 INTs. In 2009, Pike completed 211 of 338 for 2,520 yards, 29 TDs and 6 INTs.
Watched him play and he is very good at throwing the ball down field and he is more mobil then you would think. Plus, this guy almost had a undefeated season. He knows how to win and not to mention most of his throw were made to speedsters. Made a lot of nice throws on posts and post corners. Plus, he is tall 6′6″ and throws long deep floaters that gets his WRs killed. Has Oakland Raider QB all over his game.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
His 2 steals were huge. I like Ellis, but he just doesn’t fit a backcourt with Curry, and I think Ellis is more replaceable than Steph.
The thing with Monta, he seems to be a different dude after he signed for big money. He made two huge clutch plays last night, but he was sulking on the bench during the decisive run. He didn’t have a single tat his first few years in the league, gets paid and he looked like he spent all offseason in a tatoo parlor. I mean how do you go from no tats to fully-sleeved and neck tattoo’s in one offseason?
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Choosy teammates choose Grads LOL
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Trying to be like Stephen Jackson.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:29 pm
LMAO…good one LA to the Bay
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm
I found this from somewhere in the blogosphere
Saturday, February 06, 2010
Super Bowl gossip: Raiders affilate gives up on Jamarcus Russell
Miami, South Beach, FLA – The latest Super Bowl gossip has Oakland Raiders Quarterback Jamarcus Russell again painted as a person who doesn’t care about being an improved player because he has his $30 million signing bonus.
This comes from a friend who’s in a position to know. Late last night, I ran into him and his girlfriend at the 11th Street Diner in South Beach and we caught up. This person’s a sports executive with close ties to a number of Raiders players, so he does know.
This blogger mentioned that he was excited that the Oakland Raiders brought in Hue Jackson as offensive coordinator. The response was “Let’s hope he can do something with Jamarcus Russell. I doubt it.” And he then went on to describe how a number of his offensive teammates like and hope the best for him, but consider Jamarcus Russell as someone who is more concerned about “his bling”.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Nellie would probably trade Ellis for another 2 guard.”
Damn it Kell, please don’t say stuff like that. It hurts more when it’s true. I honestly think Nellie will be done after this season and take some consultant job within the organization to keep his paycheck coming.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm
dischargers just cut LT… Ha ha dont do it Al.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:35 pm
gotta run…bbl
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Fingers crossed. I hope Russell shows significant improvement, has a passing camp for his wides again, gets some new O line guys who can clear holes for runners and protect him when he throws, gets a fullback who can BLOCK and catch and earns his place as the unquestioned starter.
Why?
Because it would suck to have the worst draft bust in the history of the NFL as a rotten cherry on the Sundae that has been this stretch of losing.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Chargers just released LT
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
sorry 408, my bad
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
“Russell, saddled with a young receiving corps, spotty protection and a running game the Raiders thought would be better”
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Gotta give Jerry credit for mentioning this at least. But the “young recieving corps” part is a big understatement. Rookies Jerry! And in DHB, a very raw rookie.
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With SanJay Lal at WR coach who’s a raw rookie at his job too…
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Fingers crossed. I hope Russell shows significant improvement, has a passing camp for his wides again, gets some new O line guys who can clear holes for runners and protect him when he throws, gets a fullback who can BLOCK and catch and earns his place as the unquestioned starter.
Why?
Because it would suck to have the worst draft bust in the history of the NFL as a rotten cherry on the Sundae that has been this stretch of losing.”
Nnamdi
I agree. I understand why people are pissed at #2 but it seems as if there are so many Raider fans that appear to WANT him to fail. Maybe just so they can say that they “were right” or maybe they just hate him for some other reason.
Seems to me if he is a Raider we, as fans, should want him to succeed. I think that too many people are more concerned about being right than having to admit that they were wrong and have a good QB.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Gradkowski – Strong heart, brittle body.
Frye – Future head coach of the Raiders.
Russle – 375 lbs of diamond-encrusted diarrhea.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:47 pm
dogg dont be sayin sorry 2 me bro.. Thought we were better than that.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
Only QB this freakin team should look at maybe in the 3rd Round is Central Michigan QB Dan Lefevour!
Otherwise…..sign or trade for a vet like Tyler Thigpen, Mike Vick or Kevin Kolb to compete with Grads, Russell or Losman…..cut Frye.
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:50 pm
408
You are one of the cooler mf’ers on this blog, certainly didn’t want to step on any toes. Take a rip in my honor, cuz if I was there I would give you one, preferably a purple strain if you got it
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Tomlinson & Merriman will probably both be Raiders if nobody else wants them …
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
what do you want Vick for???
we already have running backs…
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 pm
i think we have already the best Russell has to offer…
my money’s on the dark horse Losman to be the starter if Russell isn’t the guy…
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm
In a move that was fully expected but still feels odd to type, the Chargers released LaDainian Tomlinson Monday after nine seasons with the team.
The timing of the release was likely out of deference to Tomlinson’s career. He can get a head start on most unrestricted free agents and talk to interested teams right away.
“It has been a privilege to work with him and witness his entire career,” owner Dean Spanos said in a statement. “I’m proud of him and grateful to him for the way he has carried himself both on and off the field.
“He’s a future Hall of Famer,” G.M. A.J. Smith said. “My only regret is that he leaves without a Super Bowl ring.”
The memory of the last two disappointing seasons remain fresh in the mind, but Tomlinson’s first seven years in San Diego stack up with the greatest running backs in NFL history.
Where Tomlinson lands next may depend on his willingness to take a secondary role. He’s no longer capable of carrying an offense, but said he was unhappy with his workload in San Diego and wouldn’t consider a pay cut.
For reference, Tomlinson saw 243 touches in 2009 and was set to make $5 million for the Chargers.
We’d be shocked if he got anywhere near either number in 2010.
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Tomlinson & Merriman will probably both be Raiders if nobody else wants them …
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…and we were so close to getting rid of the last of other teams’ junk…
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:11 pm
I want to give a salute to LT, the greatest RB of all time. Thanks for the memories.
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
lmao
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Brings a tear to my eye:
http://www.usd314.k12.ks.us/Computer2/devanweb/ladainian.jpg
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
puzzy
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
LT Is a crybaby and all the SD bangwagon fan love him. Just wondering what will happen to all those sorry Chargeless fan when they start suckin verga again LMAO
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:24 pm
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Florida Pete Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
what do you want Vick for???
we already have running backs…
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Well, we have Bush and Fargas. DMAC suits up in silver & black, but practically speaking he plays for the other team.
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
R.I.P.
LaDaainian Tomlinson
June 23,1979 – Feb. 22 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuZ5Xbt8-00
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
I believe Ja(Marcus) deserved all the criticism he recieved this year. He was terrible, immature, & unprepared this year. Now as terrible as JR was,,the line was even worse. JaMarcus had no protection & niether did Bruce Gradkowski or Charlie Fry. Thats why Bruce got his ass knocked out for the year & Fry was damn near skinned alive. I wont call JaMarcus a lost cause yet, I believe if he rededicates himself to football, we fix the O-line in the draft (not free agency) the Wrs learn how to run routes & catch the ball then he’ll be ok. Yeah he has to earn his teammates respect back, but I dont think its gonna be impossible like some people think it will be. A few good preseason wins & he’ll win back his teammates as well as fans, then maybe people will start to call him JaMarcus again instead of the Ja(stupid nicknames). Get to work JaMarcus!
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm
This is a huge offseason for Russell, who took considerable heat from the TNT announcing crew for showing up at a Phoenix Suns game disguised as a jewelry store
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LOL!
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:40 pm
“I’m proud of him and grateful to him for the way he has carried himself both on and off the field.”
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You’re proud of the way he pouted whenever he lost? Hmmm….Spoken like a true Choker, Dean.
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Dude…. I came across this while looking at Bleacher Report.com!! Put it like this…I’m going to buy Pirelli Tires, from here on out!!
http://www.brobible.com/Story/90980
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:43 pm
And he then went on to describe how a number of his offensive teammates like and hope the best for him, but consider Jamarcus Russell as someone who is more concerned about “his bling”.
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Vegas,
Did you really post something talking about how Russell’s team mates all like him?
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm
End of ‘08-
“some” Raider fans: Wasn’t really the end of his second year..was actually his first year. I’m willing to give him another year. First year is learning. After next year we’ll know, one way or the other.
End of ‘09 season..”some” Raider fans: Wasn’t really the end of his third year..was actually his second year. I’m willing to give him another year. First year is learning. Second year is….uh…learning some more..yeah..that’s it. After next year we’ll know, one way or the other.
How can some of you say “well, let’s see if he comes into camp THIS YEAR, in shape”???
THIS IS GOING TO BE HIS 4TH YEAR.
You actually believe that NOW he’s going to, mysteriously, “get serious”??
Last year was out of shape.
Year before, when he KNEW he was starting, showed up flabby.
The dude just doesn’t care…never has…why do you think he will now?
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Year before, when he KNEW he was starting, showed up flabby.
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Not according to Kiffin.
February 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
R8eray, I think I dated one of those girls.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm
5pm in Podunk. later gents!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:02 pm
SD, what did you think of my tribute to LT?
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Jhill,
because u asked for it…
a much anticipated glimpse at the inner-workings of the finest organization in all of sports.
post 24.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Charged Down, I told you a while ago that LT’s entire career would be squandered.
Now that he’s gone without a Super Bowl, the only thing left for you to do is write a stirring teen punk/pop anthem with FingerForce 5 to play at your next high school dance.
I know you probably feel like your whole world is crumbling down all around you right now, but trust me, life will get better.
First of all, once you get through puberty, I promise you won’t get pantsed in the cafeteria each time your voice cracks.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Taps always makes me cry. But, this time it was special. The South will rise again!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Is Jamarcus Russell going to be the starter next year, or not?
Not do you like him, is he a bust, yada, yada. Will he be the guy next year or not?
I happen to think so because the OWNER gives all indications that it will be the case, right or wrong?
Since we know who the QB is going to be, doesn’t it make sense to talk about what he needs to be successful?
Does anyone really believe Bruce Gradkowski is going to be the opening day starter for the Oakland Raiders? If Al really thought that was possible, don’t you think we’d be trying to get Mike Vick or some other QB. Bruce Gradkowski is NOT an Al Davis type of QB.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm
That is hilarious LA …
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:15 pm
I agree that Russell’s probably the starter. But if he’s as bad this pre-season as he was last year.
OTA’s & Camp should be the decider.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Vegas,
Did you really post something talking about how Russell’s team mates all like him?
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I always said the guy is very likable, everyone seems to like “Jamarcus Russell”, but not everybody likes #2.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Krappy, what article did you get your opinion from?
I’m guessing it was Bleacher Report, because that’s the website you usually barf out a link from.
Time to come clean, Krappy – you wacky old plagiarist!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Does anyone really believe Bruce Gradkowski is going to be the opening day starter for the Oakland Raiders?
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I think if given a fair chance to compete with Russell for the gig throughout the offseason and preseason games, Russell will get his doors blown off by Bruce.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Vegas,
Was that a long winded NO?
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:28 pm
I cant even believe people jumped on the Bruce Almighty bandwagon. Why do people think because he had 1 or 2 decent games he was gona become the franchise & face of Raiderland. If we’re really honest with ourselves then we would realize that Cincy gave us the game on the fumbled kick return & Bruce threw a beautiful pick that was dropped by the safety in that Pittsburgh game & most Bruce fans are basing their love for him off those 2 games. I think Bruce is ok but I never got caught in the hype. We gota stop falling in love with other teams’ thrown away trash. I mean,,Cleveland didnt want him. Nice back up, but not a Franchise Qb.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Kind of…..lol
I think if Jamarcus does everything right from now until the first preseason game, it will be his job to lose, and he will REALLY have to lose it.
But if pulls the same BS as he did last year, showing up way out of shape, blowing off the last day of OTA’s, partying the night before a preseason game and all that stuff, he won’t even be given the opportunity to compete for the job and he may get cut.
So it’s up to Jamarcus. I hope I am wrong, but I think that ship has sailed.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:31 pm
And you know what Vegas …
I’ll say that given a decent Oline, WRs, and play calling, I’d take Russell over Grads all day long. Same with Losman over Grads all day long. I’d even take Andrew Walter back over Grads!
But I’d love to have Grads as a backup!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:33 pm
haha
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Pretty Rick,
You can play the what if’s all you want. How many dropped INT’s in the first KC game did Russell have?
DB’s drop INT’s, all the time, every week.
And how did the Bengals give the game to us? We were tied with 30 seconds to go at home. Home teams won over 60% of OT games last year.
We were in the driver’s seat, thanks to two 80 yard TD drives, and the fumble just hastened the inevitable victory.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:34 pm
First part of the season, Davis & Co were really forcing DHB on the offense.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:35 pm
LT
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Let me see, We lose all our Qb’s except JR, our highly touted RB corp can’t gain 3 yrds on the field, our O-Line is slapped silly all season, and we are going to blame JR for fumbling? We need to draft 6 QB’s to augment this team to get through 16 games this year, because our O-Line is non-existant! Wake Up Al!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
whhoooooooooohuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
finally they updated their wordpress!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Let’s not forget what happened to the D in that Bengals.
We gave up 14 points in a blink of an eye and things looked miserable. However, we got a 85 yard TD drive to end the 1st half and pick up the whole team’s energy, and we got a ton of sacks and only gave up 3 points in the second half.
And if Seabass wouldn’t have missed his only one under 50 yards in the season that day, the fumbled kickoff would have been a moot point anyways.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Vegas I dont play what if games,, the point Im tryn to prove is that those 2 games particular is when people started to label Bruce as our savior. Im saying Bruce is ok, and only ok. He’s not the next great Qb like some are making him out to be.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Pretty Rick,
Truth be told these guy’s wouldn’t know a franchise QB if he was already in the HOF. Anybody dumb enough to think Gradkowski can carry a franchise isn’t a very good judge of talent. The only guy capable of anything close to that on this roster is Russell. If he doesn’t get it done we are in the market for someone who can……….period
Mr Davis even Mrs. Davis would stop 5 minutes trying t get Gradkowski to be that Franchise QB. They keep talking about how accurate he is. His best game by far was the Pittsburgh game. o back and watch that entire game. He was average at best and lucky late. He is fiery and competitive yes but very short on talent.
If Russell can pull it together and get back on track the chance of Gradkowski or Frye beating him out is nill. He des things they can’t imagine in terms of getting the ball downfield and making aweinspiring throws. The game he was benched he threw a post to DHB that hit him in stride 60 yards downfield and he dropped it. His next pass was a strike to Murphy on the sideline 40 yards downfield and Green was called for holding. That’s two potential TD’s on successive plays that went for nothing which had nothing to d with him. In that game he had (9) drops by halftime. If half those are caught especially the post to DHB he never gets benched.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
its the Stanford expert!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Agree Priest, Al needs to come to grips with this O-line pronto, fill the gaps on D, Raiders always had the best O-lines in football, hence the titles….
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
The TD he threw to Murphy in the first SD game and the end of the half if you go back and watch that drive he was spectacular he shredded SD defense. And threw a strike to Murphy and the refs stole it. Give Russell a good running game and say WR’s like Boldin and Fitzgerald and a decent TE. He would put up some impressive #’s even at 270 lbs. We gave him garbage and asked him set the world on fire. And when he couldn’t do it he got blamed for the whole rotten mess.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Also, let’s FS Mitchell and let him have some fun!
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Here is some %’s of fumbles compared to number of sacks.
Sanchez 36%
Cassell 31%
Campbell 30%
Gerrard 30%
Russell 27%
McNabb 26%
Cutler 24%
Flacco 23%
Palmer 23%
Rodgers 20%
Peyton 20%
Romo 18%
Big Ben 14%
And than the shocker…..Drew Brees fumbled 10 times in 20 sacks, that’s 50%!!!
So much for my damn research
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
I agree Preist,, 2 good wins from Russell and all will be forgiven. I criticized Russell along with everyone else, without calling him Ja(dumb nicknames). I just dont think he’s a lost cause like the media is making him out to be. There’s gota be a reason Hue Jackson chose Ja(Marcus) over Jay Cutler.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
I agree we need to get the O line solidified if we are going to have any chance at turning this organization around. A good offense would help our struggling defense too.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Russell doesn’t get to throw the 60 yard TD opening night, if Bruce doesn’t bail him out by completing a 3rd down pass on that drive when Russell was out with a what……need of oxygen?
Why the hell was our franchise QB taking himself out of the final drive of a season opener, when he was clearly, as he later proved, capable of playing?
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
The Oline is the key to getting back on top. Fix that and whoever play QB has a fair chance to be successful. If they don’t fix it I don’t care who plays QB he’ll fail……..period
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
And Brees had a decent line, when is this team going to wake up and get it? We have very good young talent, games are won on the lines, for all reasons, and look what the greatest team in football has on the lines….Giants make us look bad…
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm
IF, Russell was really training in Phx. How many lbs. did he put back on from what he may have lost, by being King Exlax at the Mobile Mardi Gras?
A.) None.
B.) Some.
C.) All.
D.) And, thensome.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Priesttj
Jerry reported during OTA’s and Camp that Russell couldn’t hit the side of a barn.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Russell had his best half all year in the KC home game, and was benched at halftime.
My sources say that was the plan going into the game, no matter if he threw 4 TD’s in the first half.
They had had enough with his rockheadedness.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm
im so glad lt is gone.. unless the broncos pick him up ? hmmmmmmmmmmm….
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm
priesttj Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
We gave him garbage and asked him set the world on fire.
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Actually we just asked him to do better than Bruce Gradkowski and he wasn’t up for the challenge.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm
and please guys// al davis is no moron he knows LT is done
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Cmon Vegas,
There was a pile up on the guys knee after a QB sneak. You need the replay? You really trying to plug Bruce there? LMFAO!
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
Dont’t bring him here, the O-line will put him in traction, for life…
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
You need new sources Vegas!
The plan from the start was to bench him at halftime? Who’s plan, Cable? What would be the point of that? Why not just bench him to start the game?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Gradkowski at least had a decent WR to throw to. The line was much better with Gallery and Fargas helped in blitz pickup. Russsell was trying to win with two rookies very tough to do even if your a great QB.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
LOL, 909!
Yeah, I’m sure there was a feast for the King.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Reminds me of what Al did to Marcus, lines collapsed, Marcus pummeled, boy, short memories here?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Im not gona lie Im definitely on the McClain wagon. Taking him in the 1st rnd then fixing the O-line in rnds 2 &3 is what Im hoping for, but I did see one of those mocks draft on the bleacher report which had us taking Bruce Campbell in the first & actually had Brandon Spikes falling to us in the 3rd rnd and taking that crazy RG Brandon Carter from Texas Tech in the 5th. I would definitetly be happy with either scenario.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
I just know he laid on his back writhing in pain, than miracoulously sprung up, jogged off, took a few plays off, than threw a 60 yard TD.
James Brown couldn’t have done it any better.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
At times Russell looked brilliant. Sadly, more often than not, he looked inept…
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
I liked James Brown, the hardest working entertainer in history! lol
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
I think it’s going to take more than 2 good games from Russell.
Look, the QB gets the glory, and takes the heat. If Grads starts next year and loses3 straight games, the Grads hate will be in full effect.
If Russell starts, and go at least 3 and 1, you MIGHT start to see the tide turn for him as far as fan support goes. But it’s certainly not over for the kid.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
It’s not over for both “kids”
Both Bruce, Jamarcus and Losman for that matter, are all at the point in the career, whether it be age or NFL experience, to make the next step up in their career.
Some guys do, some guys don’t.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm
With that said, we need to go defense in Rd 1 and 2. Oline in rd 3.
Looking at the clips from our games this year reminded me of all the UNTOUCHED TDs we gave up this past year. We need a MLB and a DT quick fast and in a hurry!
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm
ahhahaha.. when did russell ever look brilliant ? was i in a coma ?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
IT
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
IS
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
All I know is I will support Russell if he is starting, and happily admit I am wrong and take all the shots from you guys if he leads us anywhere close to .500.
Will you anti-Bruce guys do the same if Bruce is our QB and we go 8-8 next year?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm
JHill, agree, but no QB in this league will prosper with this O-line, neither will the RB’s, and line stradegy. This team is sucking right now, has been, and the faults have not been adressed. It sickens me to see what my team has rendered itself to! Someone has been asleep at the wheel for far to long, it will show up in putting butts in the seats, I only hope ots not too late…
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Winning cures everything. If Russell loses the first few games he’ll get booed off the field, if he wins then he’ll be loved again. Its pretty much that simple. My faith in him is small but Im not a JaHater. Get a real O-line & lets see what he can do. Get rid of that Zone Blocking BS too.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Are any of you Raider fans going on that Raider cruise?…looks like a good idea…looks like a nice place to get drunk for a few days. Word.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm
1st round- Run D…be it McLain, Spikes, Dan Williams or someone else
2nd round- Javier Arenas…goes without saying
3rd round(2)- A guy who played RT in college and can start just about right away, and a C/G prospect who can play guard for a year and than compete to take over the C gig
4th round-7th round- QB, FB, more line depth.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Rick, Russell will be boo`d off the field during the national anthem,..but he doesnt care about that,..which is good I guess.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:15 pm
OVER
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
4 RUSSELL ..
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Norco, they get you drunk and steal your wallet trying to sell out the season, get smart, thier product wont sell seats, that is why you got row 1, nobody wants them……
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
WHAT .. IN the FUKK!!! WILL IT TAKE 4 EVERYONE TO GIVE UP ON THIS IDIOTIC, LAZY BUM ?? !! iswear to god. u guys would be the dudes sittin down sippin tea in the titanic. thinkin its all gonna blow over .
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
The Raiders should trade McFaddon, and Fargas,..start Bush and sign LT,…heck with it, sign Merriman too. Word.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
We have Nick Miller, we don’t need Arenas.
MLB or DT Rd 1
DT or MLB Rd 2
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Satan, you blow a gasket, some of us have watched this team since 64, who are you?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Bob…So Thursday huh?
Staying at the Rio? Bring some grass and I will buy a few rounds.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Actually it took me 12 years for row 1,…but I did finally get them,..the person who had them prior to me was a player my tix rep told me,..wouldnt say what player.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Yep, thursday,..Rio,…mt friends have their RV in the infield, will be around there too. Word.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Jhill, how about a BRUISING NOSE TACKLE in round 1. O-line the rest?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
In case some of you missed it, the owners opinion is the only one that matters. Until further notice Jamarcus Russell is his guy.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
860 toddchristiansen , then u old muhfukkas need 2 be sick of the losing . stop being so dumb!! like sayin we need mike vick. or russell can be salvaged. wake da fukk up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 and im me
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:24 pm
The rest, 860?
LOL! I agree we need 4 new starters, but i doubt it happens.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
fans since 64 ? so dude ? im 32 . and i believe like 75 percent u guys are lost …….. the other 25 percent are very knowledgable raider fans.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Jhill, Russell needs to have a solid season nthing spectacular just solid something that gives people a reason to have hope in him. That’s the reason Hue was hired to get that running game going and consistent and to develope DHB into a legitimate WR. If Hue can come in and transforn this offense you’ll see that slid season from Russell. He will playcall according to what Russell does well and makes him loook good.
Hue Jackson is vey similar to Norv Turner in that he playcalls in a way that gives the ofense confidence. If you watch what he did for Flacco he never asked him to do things he might not be able to do. Cable was just trying to show of his offense not taking into account he had a very young unit. He called some of the stupidest plays I have ever seen. I thought the fake FG against KC two years ago was an anomaly boy was I wrong.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:26 pm
I’ll meet you at the Sports book at 4. I fell like I must shake the one and only Norco Bob’s hand and take a shot of patron with you.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Satan…youre 32?…thought for sure you were like 13. Dang I was way off.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm
You got it Vegas,…We leavin from Sac early in the morning, unsure how long it takes to drive there.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:28 pm
I got nothing but crickets on this one. Guess I didn’t need to ask…
vegas raider Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
All I know is I will support Russell if he is starting, and happily admit I am wrong and take all the shots from you guys if he leads us anywhere close to .500.
Will you anti-Bruce guys do the same if Bruce is our QB and we go 8-8 next year?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
TJ,..Im calling Gary tomorrow, tell him the Raiders should dump mcfaddon and fargas and sign LT,..you like that idea?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
norco bob .. whens da next douche bag convention ? and when does the new maroon 5 album come out ? and have yur ed hardy shoes been delivered yet ?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Satan I cant follow what your point is man, try again. English this time,..your ghetto talk act is boring.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:32 pm
Too all the defeatists, RAIDER FOOTBALL was decided by the RAIDERS. It created the mystque, the lore, the swagger, that you children now try to enjoy. I lived it. For years. And not in LA. Al’s biggest mistake, we are still paying for that one, the Rams were smart for leaving, Al started dementia…..now you know the rest..
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm
norco ill try and talk like a bigot republican white prick then ……………….
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
If thats what you are Satan thats ok with me.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
All I know is I will support Russell if he is starting, and happily admit I am wrong and take all the shots from you guys if he leads us anywhere close to .500.
Will you anti-Bruce guys do the same if Bruce is our QB and we go 8-8 next year?
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You know Vegas, I don’t think anyone wants to be anti-Grads. He’s a good guy and he had a Hallmark moment in the 4th qtr of the Pitt game. He also seems to be genuine in his support of JR. But this man crush you have on him makes no sense. I’m in disbelief that you’d stoop so far as to post what some POS wrote on some BS blog. You really think that convinces anyone of anything? I’d have a hell of a lot more respect for your opinion if you’d just admit that you don’t like JR for personal reasons. I’ve read a ton of your posts and you’re just not making a believable case for Grads or against JR. And I don’t believe for a minute that you’d support JR even if he leads us to the SB.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 pm
i hate obama . minimun wage should be lowered t0 4.25 an hour. all quarterbacks in the nfl should be guys named chad , gus, bubby , or chase . my ford f150 has some new dale earnhardt seat covers in it ….
better norco ?
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Satan, if thoseare your opinions thats ok with me.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Being 29, all I’ve got to enjoy was the Rich Gannon era. I lived that, and one of those years we knocked the QB out something like 3 games in a row. It WAS Raider, winning football.
Other than that, just lots of disappointment, as we all know. Jamarcus Russell is the new poster-child, so he feels the wrath of the fury from Raider Nation. Fair or not, it’s up to Jamarcus to try to pull it off and win everybody over and win games.
Man, that would be one heck of a turnaround.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Why do you hate the Prez dude?…hes doing his best.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
i wish i wouldve given all my life savings to bernie madoff too … im gonna go buy me some enzyte tommorow… i like the nbas new racist dresscode……. this rap thing is just a fad.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Youre not one of those jerks that hate Obama because hes half white are you?…dont worry bout that, judge him on his job performance, not that hes half white.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Hang in there Satan,..things will be ok,..smoke some pot bud.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
now im talkin your talk norco
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
I think a lot of the Anti-Russell Ja(Hater Niks) are a cultural reaction to his bling/furs etc.
Grads and the Mormon Southwick sit better with the culture warriors.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Koolkell,
I don’t know if you’re kidding in post #162, but I agree with that take on Russell.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Old kell,..will you join me on that Raider cruise? I will bring a bag of grass.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
I’m all for the Raiders snagging Tomlinson, as long as he can play linebacker. P.S. JarJarMarcus sux dork.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
I think furs n bling are fine,..as long as you have won some games first, maybe a playoff game or two.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
What part of the culture are charles Barkley in?..he was the one on TNT bagging on Russell for that look.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
KK, this is the first thing yu’ve said in a long time that agree with 1,000% they just don’t like he demeanor and choice accessories not to mention his complexion. All of which have ZERO to do with football.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
I don’t like Russell for personal reasons (I’m a Raider fan) and I have a man-crush on Bruce (because I am a Raider fan).
I will admit it, but that’s the way I feel. We all have our favorites in sports for whatever reasons, I like the hard-working, plucky, underdog good guys.
I don’t like the lazy, underachievers.
Hence my feelings and “man-crush”. It may be true, but it’s only because I love the Raiders so much, and I truly believe Bruce is about the best this franchise can do.
Al Davis has tainted this franchise so much that they really don’t deserve a guy like Gradkowski, and well deserve someone like Jamarcus Russell. Al is really to blame for it all, but blaming him gets old every year, so hey here we are.
That’s my manifesto.
Cheers
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
SATAN,
I you’re going to put Dale Earnhardt anything on your truck, man it better be a Chevy, Dammit.C’MON.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
RaiderDebo
Not kidding. The undertones of some of the Russell critics is “cultural” (to be nice)
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
TJ,..Im callin Gary tomorrow,…I will give you a shout out.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
Old kell,..have you overdone the metamucil today?…you sound odd.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:46 pm
*If
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
You guys really think Russell is disliked because hes black?…hmmm,..never thought of that,…I think its probably mostly because he looks like a guy whos never played quarterback before…but if it makes some feel better to say its because hes black,..so be it. lol
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
I remember all of us booing Collins a few years ago,..maybe we all hated him because he was white,..damn.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
dang, vegas…
getting all Glen Beck on us…
you weren’t cryin’ when you wrote that, were you…
that was the most raider/patriotic thing i ever read on this blog…
“i just love my raiders so much”…
wow… i’m feeling kinda unqualified to be a raider fan…
i gotta go out and buy something silver and black…
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
You see, old fools like old kell, bitter, jealous, mad at the world,..will ALWAYS blame why things dont work out for him, because of race,..I guess you are from that old angry man generation,…however old kell, you just come off as an old fool, and that has nothing to do with your skin color,..but go ahead and use that card forever,…its all you have.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:52 pm
KoolKell,
I’m a SF Giant fan, and I hated Livan Hernandez as well.
Lazy, underachievers on my favorite sports teams, that’s all it is. Has nothing to do with “culture”
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Norco Bob Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
I remember all of us booing Collins a few years ago,..maybe we all hated him because he was white,..damn.
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i didn’t hate him because he was white…
i hated him because he was white and wouldn’t admit it…
he never came out and said: “look, i’m a white quarterback, but i’m just as good as any other quarterback, period”…
we need to hear that from white guys more often…
just sayin’…
word…
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Anyway old kell,..lets party on that Raider cruise together,..and every time the captain sees you, tries to hand you a mop to swab the decks, I will explain to him that you arent the ships janitor, but a guest,..all good bro. lol
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:54 pm
I also remember them booing Gannon and cheering when he got hurt in his last game against Tampa Bay. Raider fans are just f ed up. That’s all there is to it. Not racist just F ed up.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Vegas,..old kell is the resident jealous angry old fool in here,..when he gets backed into a corner he pulls out his race card,..too bad nobody buys that anymore,..sorry old man.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Im off to the bar,..old kell, its safe to come out of your fetal position now,..stupid old man.
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Vegas
Not everybody, but many of the comments about Russell are stereotypical. And he has made himself an easy target.
But the Caricature is Fat, Dumb, Lazy. Fried Chicken, Hamhocks, Neckbones. All Day/Everyday on this blog.
Vegas
RaiderRockstar
Known Republicans
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Why does political affiliation matter on a Raider blog?
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Brady Quinn
White, hard working, blah, blah, blah,
JaMarcus Russell, Fat, Dumb, Lazy.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 4:58 pm
But the Caricature is Fat, Dumb, Lazy. Fried Chicken, Hamhocks, Neckbones. All Day/Everyday on this blog
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I use fat and lazy, with a low football IQ. I really don’t think he is THAT dumb of a guy, and is much smarter than he sounds.
I think he got a higher wonderlic than our buddy Grads
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Is Brady Quinn a Republican?
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:09 pm
And is Jamarcus Russel a known democrat?
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Thought I could get you to come out you old fool kell,…your race card doesnt work old man,…sorry,..lol…it is sad though to see you in here sinking lower every day,…cowering, crying,..then when all else fails you pull out your race card,…doesnt work though old man,…youre too old and stupid though to find a new tactic…it will be over soon though old man,…the clocks tickin,…
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
stupid old man kell has only two tactics,..and both fail,..when he has no argument, he blames race,..when that fails, he blames politics,..old kell is just a stupid old man that has noplace else to turn,..its sad…but he brought it on himself,..hes an old angry man and cant break loose from that.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Frankly, Russell doesn’t look fat to me.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Frankly, youre lost old man.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Iv never thought russell was fat,..he just has no talent, desire, drive..doesnt care,..etc.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Doofus Boob
Frankly, you’re too stupid to be bothered with.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Frankly, Russell doesn’t look fat to me.
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he’s big boned…
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Either that old kell or you have no argument. I know which one it is.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm
It’s a great evening to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
KoolKell Says:
Not kidding. The undertones of some of the Russell critics is “cultural” (to be nice)
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KK — You are one of the most, ummm, culture-bringer-uppers in this whole forum. Until 4 months ago, you were JaMarcus’s #1 fan, and ANYBODY who questioned his TALENTS was labeled a racist.
Kettle effin’ black, you master hypocrite, you.
Ahh, that feels better.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Also, the two main male mentors in his life died last year, no?
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Old kell, your angry old man bit, is that going to be your legacy?…will you be the angry old man the rest of your life?…the little that remains of it?…will you keep pulling race cards forever?…even when they dont work?…stop embarrassing yourself you old fool.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Based upon the American/Capitalist way of thinking, JaMarcus Russell is the smartest man around. He was able to parlay a single Sugar Bowl performance into a hold-out and an effortless guarantee of tens of millions of dollars.
Tell me of anyone here who has banked that without even trying.
JaMarcus Russell, smart, very very smart.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Jamie Foxx said during Super Bowl week that Jamarcus Russell had birthing hips.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm
old kell,..why at your age and lack of intelligence do you spend so much time in a blog?…is it ok to be an angry old man in a blog then in real life?…is it that when you say these things to people in person do they walk away from you?…are you the crazy old man on your street that people avoid?
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm
HayzeDaze
Russell definitely deserved to be criticized.
I’m just saying that a lot of the undertones to the jokes and criticisms were racist. Even before the draft.
Now, I know you think I’m the most racist person in here, funny that.
Yes, when I hear it I call it.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:23 pm
JR needs to do more than show up in shape.. his accuracy,footwork and pocket awareness are MAJOR problems, that he’ll have to address for longer than just 1 off season. Which, looking at the last 3 off season’s, he hasn’t done a damn thing to improve is game…yet, some here think he’s just going to’turn it on’ whenever he wants too…but it don’t work like that.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:23 pm
Jamarcus had a smart agent to tell him leave LSU now because another year at LSU would take him from top pick in draft to 3rd round.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Old kell youre too stupid to be a racist,..you are just an idiot that never has a point to make, cant debate well, all you have is your race card,..or political card,..and they both never work for you.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:25 pm
I remember Otto coming out of a play, no helmet, Raider Blood coming off his face, and suiting up for the next play, our O-line are patsies!
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm
You guy’s don’t get it. It’s one thing to boo someone because they didn’t deliver. I do it all the time black white pokadot. The thing with Russell and these Jadumbell fans is the adjetives Lazy, dumb worthless. they say verthing except the (N) word to describe someone they don’t even know. Food references normally soulfood types. It smacks of bigotry.
Now of course you’ll all get alarmed and swear to your innocence well even the KKK think they’re doing God’s work. The slave traders reasoned if we don’t ave these poor savages they’ll only die off. Why not make good use of them and even give some good christian training and names. They certainly aren’t capable of saving themselves.
Racism is very very real and it is definitely a part of american culture as real as apple pie.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Even before the draft people were calling Jamarcus lazy and a fried chicken eater?
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Jamie Foxx said during Super Bowl week that Jamarcus Russell had birthing hips.
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Dude, are you serious????? First you post some garbage frome the “blogoshphere”. Now you’re quoting Jamie Foxx??? Who the hell is next? The friend of you 3rd counsin’s brother? LOL!
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm
jamarcu russell doesnt know what a democrat is … he thinks its a new version of gonorhea
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I think I’m going to have to agree with Kell on this one, to an extent. I don’t want to paint with too broad a brush. Certainly, Russell’s play and behavior have opened him to valid criticism by many on this blog. However, I think you would have to be pretty naive to not think that a lot of the flak he takes regarding how “dumb” he sounds, his furs, and his “bling-Bling” aren’t racial or “cultural” in nature.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Hey, what happened to the indignation about Pendergast jumping to Cal because he was underpaid.
Crap, I say that JaMarcus is underpaid. 60 million for no effort and no accomplishment whatsoever, shyt he should be paid commensurate with any Wall Street banker.
Bail out JRuss! Bail out JRuss! Definitely too big to fail.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:32 pm
wjy even discuss jamarcus russell ? he will never even be a halfway decent 3rd string qb in the nfl. he is uselss. banta fodder . me jobba wookie ? oh oh oh
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Jamarcus is the QB version of Philip Buchanon…
except he’s tall and fat…
otherwise…
pretty much the same guy…
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:33 pm
M Lone, who drafted and trained him?
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm
I think the loss of his two mentors was huge with Jamarcus this year. At least I hope so. I would hate to think that he regressed so much just because he is getting paid too much. But, this year he needs to come in and win over his teammates. And I don’t care what he wears he just needs to play better..
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Show’s how this organization has progressed our team, funny aint it! Ha Ha, LA Raiders………
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:39 pm
anyway time 4 me to post my daily movie. tonights treat is starring peter fonda and judd nelson .
http://www.novamov.com/video/i6ua0bjv2lsz8
the boondock saints 2 . enoy ahahahahhahaha
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Vegas Raider making a whole lot of sense today. Right up until he believes Norcomabob is anything he purports to be.
BHP — You’re one great fan…but you’re losing grip. If JaMarcus can actually BEAT out Gradkowski, this Raiders team will be leaps and bounds better Game 1. However…Grads proved he could move the offense in a way JaMarcus never did, and he proved he could MOTIVATE a team to follow him, whether he was playing like Joe Montana or, well, like himself.
This team has 4 QB’s CURRENTLY in the mix, and all of them were drafted not long ago, and by different teams. We aren’t the only team looking for the long-term answer at QB.
We have 3 QB’s because their other teams gave up on them. JaMarcus is next on that particular list…unless he actually lives-up to his potential, or gets closer to it than the other guys do.
By ALL accounts, JaMarcus went backwards last year. But…the fact is, in more limited action, Gradkowski showed as much or more potential than the $30-million man.
Truth is, you color-counters…I can’t tell what “shade” JaMarcus is because the bling’s so freakin’ bright.
And that’s not racist, KK — lots of people dress that way. I’ve seen Malibu’s Most Wanted.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:41 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:27 pm
You guy’s don’t get it. It’s one thing to boo someone because they didn’t deliver. I do it all the time black white pokadot. The thing with Russell and these Jadumbell fans is the adjetives Lazy, dumb worthless. they say verthing except the (N) word to describe someone they don’t even know. Food references normally soulfood types. It smacks of bigotry.
Now of course you’ll all get alarmed and swear to your innocence well even the KKK think they’re doing God’s work. The slave traders reasoned if we don’t ave these poor savages they’ll only die off. Why not make good use of them and even give some good christian training and names. They certainly aren’t capable of saving themselves.
Racism is very very real and it is definitely a part of american culture as real as apple pie.
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RARELY has the race card been played by someone who wasn’t a racist.
JR sounds dumb..was YOU that ran the race card.
JR came in fat, and admittedly out of shape..was YOU that said “RACIST”
The weakest of the weak…and yes…YOU ARE A RACIST…PERIOD.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Since when did any person in the NFL need handlers? We all of a sudden need handlers, copy, recruits, personal protection, every idiot in the world. No wonder why a QB can’t think.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Ghost it’s ridiculous about him and the money angle. He got the the day he signed and he played the next year and posted a decent year over 15 games. His uncle Ray was like a father to him from his being an very young boy he idolized him. I’m not making excuses I’m just saying this money angle doesn’t hold water. He’s just very immature and lost his mentor. If that did effect him I would understand it.
I just see a kid who needs to be given sme direction from someone he trust. Someone he admires, we all need that in our lives. He mades some immature choices and mistakes that only he can atone for but that does take some maturity. The lazy ting is a p;erception because he was over weight and has a bad demeanor for his position.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Pete,
I always had a soft spot for Phillip, and I don’t even know why. The guy just had the guts of a riverboat gambler. But, like Tim Brown used to say: “Phillip giveth, and Phillip taketh away”. Kills me to think we could have had his teammate Ed Reed, though. Damn.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Priesttj, did you read this from Jerry’s thread?
“When Tom Cable went to Gradkowski with the blessing of Al Davis, players fell all over themselves with glowing tributes to the hard work and leadership skills of the new starter. Rookie wide receiver Louis Murphy went so far as to call him “punctual.”
Only someone incapable of reading between the lines would miss the message _ Gradkowski was everything Russell was not in terms of many of the non-physical attributes needed by an NFL quarterback.”
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The lazy thing is not a “perception”, he was clearly the laziest QB on the roster last year.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:51 pm
I think we should just dump Gradkowski. If he’s as good as some of you seem to think he is, he’ll get picked up and start for somebody next year, although I highly doubt that will happen. We need to go into camp with a starter named. This garbage about splitting snaps in the preseason is just that, garbage! When has that worked for any team? And whoever gets the job will be questioned with every incompletion. Russell should be the starter and Bruce should hit the street for what, the 4th time??
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:54 pm
i hated him because he was white and wouldn’t admit it…
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LMFAO!
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:54 pm
HD37,
I’ve lived long enough to know racism when I see it, I don’t need you to endorse it or deny it. I know it when I see it. Russell struggled badly last year I’ve said it hundreds of times. I saw Gradkowski just like you did and yes he at times was very impressive. But I didn’t see anything that would lead me to believe he is some sure fire starter that I want to see week in week out. He’s OK if you don’t have anyone else. But I would much rather see Frye Losman and definitely a confident and productive JaMarcus Russell.
You can have Grads and Gradkowski and Bruce all yu want I just don’t see anything worth getting overly excited about.
February 22nd, 2010 at 5:54 pm
TJ — Spoken like a true counselor. Good for you…and for JaMarcus if he has someone like you to chat with. It can’t hurt.
It also doesn’t change the fact that the kid needs to be held to the SAME exact standards as any 2-4 year starter (depending on how you count ‘em) in the NFL: It’s time (past-time, actually) for him to step up and claim what was once his for the asking.
And, if he can’t do that, Grads (or another, better, journeyman vet) will be the best QB for this team to move forward. Rapidly move forward.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:00 pm
I LOVE fried chicken!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Stereotyping might be a better word than racist. It’s pretty clear that there are more adjectives used against Russell than say McClown, Falters, or Collins.
But Russell makes himself an easy target. Of course you are going to have food jokes about a guy who is arguably 300 lbs.
White furs and million dollar jewels?
Southern indifference?
The guy brings it on himself. For instance, you only heard HE SUCKS in regard to Aaron Brooks.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:05 pm
BHP — No way am I saying the racist BS doesn’t exist. But, I bet you (and my #1 fan KK) have no idea what “race” I am. And, for the most part, I think most of the posters in here don’t even think about race as a matter of course when discussing things.
What if I’m half one thing and half another…can I not say that JaMarcus has not lived up to his potential?
It’s pretty obvious that those who claim race as one of their rating factors has ZERO credibility…and we all know a certain few people in here who love to spark up the racial “debate.” Why you guys even give that stuff credence in here escapes me.
I’m already bored with it.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:06 pm
LMAO at “don’t see anything worth getting overly excited about”.
The greatest 4th quarter in Oakland Raider history for a QB was nothing to get excited about? Really?
I was pretty damn excited that day.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Vegas,
do you reallly think I give a flying fig about what Jerry writes? That’s Jerry’s opinion of what he wanted to see and say. I definitely think the team did in fact get excited about what Grads would bring to the table. They had seen him in practice and wanted to see a change so they could win. Players are competitive. They want to win Russell had struggled badly. Had some bad habits. But that is ONE year and one year doesn’t make a career. Russell played well his first 15 starts.
I know what I saw and what I believe your opinion and Jerry’s for that matter are your own. Jerry’s opinion about Russell doesn’t hold water with me because he’s BIAS as hell.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm
RaiderDebo,
I’ve agreed with all your posts the last couple of days, except for that last one. I don’t think it would hurt Russell one bit to be pushed in camp by an open competition. Russell is going to be questioned with every incompletion anyway. At least until he can win back some fans. If JR truly wants to be an NFL quarterback and works at it , he will win the job going away. And in that best case scenario, the Raiders have a backup qb in Bruce, that they have confidence in. I think releasing Bruce would be disheartening to the team, it’s fans and would send JR the wrong message.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Vegas,
Let’s say we go into the season with Grads as the #1 with Russell still “learning”, lol. You know, a carry over from last year rewarding Grads for his play.
Under what scenario does the #2 QB come in?
0-5?
2-7?
Just curious.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Vegas,
that was a great performance for a guy with his limitations for sue. But did you see Pittspukes secondary it was atrocious. Take the blinders of and watch that game we should’ve dominatd that game if not for Grads who misssed open recievers all day long until 10 minutes left. It was more a fluke than pure skill.lol
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
shut up and watch da damn movie …….
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:14 pm
First of all…I don’t use the words fat or stupid for JaMarcus. I don’t think I’ve called him lazy…but this is his last chance to prove that label wrong, regardless who gave it to him.
But, nowhere in the middle of those words do I see anything regarding his cultural heritage or color.
However…some people like to play up the race card…like KK does when he posts this:
KoolKell Says:
Vegas
Not everybody, but many of the comments about Russell are stereotypical. And he has made himself an easy target.
But the Caricature is Fat, Dumb, Lazy. Fried Chicken, Hamhocks, Neckbones. All Day/Everyday on this blog.
Vegas
RaiderRockstar
Known Republicans
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Where the F did the hamhocks, fried chicken and neckbones come from? From the guy complaining about stereotypes and racism.
If some were truly concerned about racism, they might try NOT stirring the pot just because they want to get attention in here. Their daily affirmation? Of course.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:14 pm
In case you forgot Priesttj here is a comment from you on this thread:
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2009/12/08/gradkowski-afc-offensive-player-of-week/#more-8695
priesttj Says:
December 8th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Great Gradkowski lives!!
Bowdown to the Great Gradkowski!!
I say we keep Russell and Grads and let them grow together on the same team in casse either stumbles.
But I’m really for re-signing all 3 QB’s that we have right now how can we go wrong?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:15 pm
god i hate u guys… i scream 4 the day we can debate over a real quarterback. a nice white boy from idaho that can read a playbook … and a defense.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:15 pm
Y,all just don’t see it.
The only man of the Raiders smarter’n JRuss is Al Davis.
JaMarcus took a coupla quarters of college football and made himself 39 or 60 mill. Wow. Didn’t have to do damned thing for it afterward.
AD took an investment of a few grand and made a billion dollars. Holy freaking krikey!
Okay armchair GMs, go ahead and try to do what either one of them did.
Al has tried but he got in on a rigged in his favor game. JRuss has made no effort at all.
Smart? Lucky? Why in the heck should either of them care what any of you think?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
the nfl should really look into banning black quarterbacks ,,, and norv turner …. and peyton mannings haircut .
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:19 pm
If we go into the season with Grads, it’ll be the Dallas game all over again until we’re out of playoff contention and everyone gets fired. Let’s get him out of here and go with our future. I don’t think JaMarcus struggled just because of JaMarcus. Two rookies at wideout and injuries to the offensive line to go along with no running game or return game and an awful defense had as much to do with it as anything else. The receivers are more seasoned and hopefully Chaz makes it through camp without another injury. I’m expecting help this offseason with the OL. JR will be better off this year for sure. Frye is a good enough backup as far as I’m concerned. Plus the guy knows his role.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:21 pm
To any one of you Gradkowski guys ….
When we start the season 0-3, then what?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:22 pm
I never could care too much for Kerry Collins because I thought he bore an uncanny facial resemblance to Jay Frickin Schroeder. Kinda played like him too.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Wasn’t Andrew Walter from Idaho?
Or was i Udahoe?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Collins did have that great Denver game in the snow.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Whoever the QB is, should be benched if we are 0-3, unless it is obviously not the QB’s fault.
0-3 = not happening, even with Russell at QB
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
AZ or AZ St.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Vegas,
I’ve never said I didn’t like Gradkowski, I like him Ok bujt in no way do I confuse himm with a franchise QB. There’s only one QB presently on this roster that has that kind of potential IMO RUSSELL!!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
read an article recently about Jacksonville being a money-strapped franchise because of attendance numbers.
pi$$ down my back and tell me its raining. Television contracts give each of the NFL franchises 160 million dollars per year. Salary cap has been about 40 million less than that. A minus B equals bull$hit. Even if there are no fans in the stands it still equals what? Profit.
Go ahead. Prove that wrong.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
So will does LT getting cut mean Reggie Bush comes to Oakland?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Talent is overrated.
Drew Brees just won the Super Bowl, and he might have less talent than Bruce Gradkowski!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
no Grad is NOT a franchise qb..no one said he was.
All that has been said is he is, in almost EVERY category, a better qb than JaMultipleButtCheeks.
that’s a fact.
REFUTE IT, IF YOU CARE TO.
Has better touch on the ball…FACT.
has better pocket awareness…FACT.
has better footwork….FACT.
fumbles less…..FACT.
Knowledge of playbook? lol…do we need to go there?
Average yds per game? 143 for Grad..107 for JR..
TD/Int Grad 6/3 JR 3/11
QB Rating? Grad 80.6 JR 50.0
Sacked? Grad 1 out every 13 passes JR 1 out of 7 passes
Leadership ability? No contest…JR couldn’t lead a cub scout pack.
Respect from players? Players are very careful to NOT throw teammates under the bus (JR being the exception) so while many have NO COMMENT when asked about JR, MANY gladly state they appreciate what Grad brings…AS COMPARED TO JR.
Sure, some have the politically correct ‘We still have faith in JR’ when DIRECTLY ASKED, knowing full well that Al/coaches/players are reading what they’re saying.
But WHAT DOES JR DO BETTER THAN GRAD? Going to point to a COUPLE of deep balls that just happen to fall in?? A COUPLE/FEW IN A WHOLE SEASON? (conveniently forgetting the dozens of deep balls that weren’t even close).
Only a fool would state “With a better Oline, more talented receivers, JR wins hands down over Grad”…
Hell, some of JR balls were so badly thrown, even the announcers AND the players weren’t sure who he was throwing to.
Grad might not be the franchise qb. Might not be the “future”.
What he is is an improvement, in EVERY category, over Russell.
Works for me.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Holy cow, people are still in here debating tj!
LMAO
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Drew Brees is certainly the smallest starting QB in the league, and maybe has the weakest arm, as far as distance goes.
He has plenty of talents, but size and arm stregth, he is amongst the weakest.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Jamracus Russell is garbage. Anybody that thinks differently is a brain dead fool, hey tj whats goin on ?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Vegas,
Really!?!?!
Are you REALLY trying to argue Gradkowski’s arm strength over Brees’?
REALLY ?!?!?!?
LMFAO!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Hey tj, anybody that thinks Russell has potential in the NFL is a brain dead fool, right tj ?
tj, if you don’t believe me ask your left nut Jhill, she will tell you!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:34 pm
The Jacksonville Jags are the lead candidate to move into LA’s stadium.
Anybody that thinks playing in empty stadiums is alright, is kooky
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Rich,
With all that said, who’s the starting QB next year for the Raiders?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:36 pm
You can leave this blog for 2 weeks and NOT miss a damn thing!
One poster after another debating tj as if he isn’t a deranged loon.
tj keep contradicting yourself right & left and suckin on AL like a hoover it gives these goons something to talk to you about..
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:36 pm
JR is a frachise QB?
What Fast Food Franchise are u referring too??
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Oakland, Kirk Morrison, linebacker: Morrison, a restricted free agent, led Oakland in tackles for five straight years and is among the league leaders. Still, he is not a complete player and is not good in run support. Oakland may not pursue bringing him back since he was nearly beaten out by Ricky Brown last year.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Speaking of Kooky…
KooKell hows that hope & change? Your head still firmly planted in your anus ?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:38 pm
kooky
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Jhill,
Yes I would, neither has a stong arm.
I’ve seen Bruce toss it over 55 yards in the air. I don’t know if Brees can do that.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
priesttj Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Russell played well his first 15 starts.
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Your memory sucks as bad on recalling that as you did, last night, stating Plunkett played on the best coaching staff in the history of college ball, with Ralston, Vermeil, Walsh, and Wyche on the squad.
(Walsh and Wyche WEREN’T on the squad.)
After Russell’s first 15 starts? Wasn’t he the absolute worst starting qb IN THE LEAGUE?
Much like he ended last season?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:39 pm
When did u see Bruce toss it 55 yds in the air? What game was that?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Vegas,
You either don’t understand talent or don’t recognize it’s qualities or characteristics for the specific positions.
To say something a ludicrous as Drew Brees has less talent than Grads is in a word FOOOLISSH!!! and ignorant and misguided.
Drew Brees is one of the mst talented QB’s in the league easily in the top 5 talent wise. If he were coming out I might take him over Farve in fact I would based on what I already know. Bress is supremely talented.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:40 pm
priesttj Says:
Vegas,
that was a great performance for a guy with his limitations…
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…watch that game we should’ve dominatd that game if not for Grads who misssed open recievers all day long until 10 minutes left. It was more a fluke than pure skill.lol
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Flukes like that are what it takes to win in this league…and what it takes to build on.
I’m trying to figure out…just exactly what are Gradkowski’s limitations? Why does he have more limitations than JaMarcus? Except for the lack of a cannon-arm, it appears Grads has as much upside as anyone on the roster.
Let’s look at some factors, that Gradkowski actually DEMONSTRATED last season:
Height? NFL QB average.
Arm? NFL QB average.
Mobility? Arguably better than NFL QB average.
Vision? Appears to be NFL QB average.
The oh-so-tangible Pocket Presence? At least NFL average.
Reaction/Instincts? At least NFL average.
Recognition? NFL average.
Problem Solving? Arguably better than average.
Decision Making? NFL average.
There are other, way more scientific measurements to be had…but when given the reins last season Gradkowski showed he actually CAN be a real #1 QB. How many #1 QB factors did/does JaMarcus show when he plays? How many of the things I mention above did JaMarcus actually do at an average-or-above level?
Barring the addition of a Donovan McNabb, Grads is #1 going into camp…and unless JaMarcus has IT figured out THIS YEAR, he will never be a great QB in this league. Serviceable maybe, but not great. Whether he has the most “potential” or not.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Jhill, do you still get a tingling sensation up & down your leg every time you hear tj on the radio or did you get past that ?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Hermen Munster used to say kooky!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Hello to you to Mista …
You should just stay focused on trying to take the country back.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:45 pm
All we need is Oakglen/Seymour to post and all the village idiots will be in here!
How about a group hug tj, oak, jhill, kookykell ? All the braindeads pose for a picture!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Jhill,
Go to the 3 minute mark, from his 42 to the 3, exactly 55 yards (and does he even really step into it?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSVy9M1vrcE&feature=related
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
So thats a yes Jhill? You still get that tingling up your leg?
When you ignore my question i’ll just assume I’m right as usual!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
To say that Russell “only” has a strong arm, is like saying Mike Bush only has strong legs.
Strong Arms beat tight coverage.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Maybe we could sign Herman Munster to play right tackle!
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:47 pm
# jhill Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Rich,
With all that said, who’s the starting QB next year for the Raiders?
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The guy who wins it in camp.
In answer to ‘what if 0-3′??
IMO look at how his stats are before yanking, regardless of the qb.
Not rocket science on seeing across the board who’s doing/not doing their job, obviously.
Sometimes you win, in spite of the qb’s play, and sometimes you lose, when the qb was solid.
If, as the qb, your numbers are at/towards the bottom? Easy call to make..right?…whoever is behind center.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Ask Jeff George how that strong arm worked out.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:49 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
To say that Russell “only” has a strong arm, is like saying Mike Bush only has strong legs.
Strong Arms beat tight coverage.
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No…strong arms WITH CONTROL beat tight coverage.
Strong arms just means you don’t have to make two trips bringing in groceries from the car.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:49 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:40 pm
priesttj Says:
Vegas,
that was a great performance for a guy with his limitations…
./.
…watch that game we should’ve dominatd that game if not for Grads who misssed open recievers all day long until 10 minutes left. It was more a fluke than pure skill.lol
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Flukes like that are what it takes to win in this league…and what it takes to build on.
I’m trying to figure out…just exactly what are Gradkowski’s limitations? Why does he have more limitations than JaMarcus? Except for the lack of a cannon-arm, it appears Grads has as much upside as anyone on the roster.
Let’s look at some factors, that Gradkowski actually DEMONSTRATED last season:
Height? NFL QB average.
Arm? NFL QB average.
Mobility? Arguably better than NFL QB average.
Vision? Appears to be NFL QB average.
The oh-so-tangible Pocket Presence? At least NFL average.
Reaction/Instincts? At least NFL average.
Recognition? NFL average.
Problem Solving? Arguably better than average.
Decision Making? NFL average.
There are other, way more scientific measurements to be had…but when given the reins last season Gradkowski showed he actually CAN be a real #1 QB. How many #1 QB factors did/does JaMarcus show when he plays? How many of the things I mention above did JaMarcus actually do at an average-or-above level?
Barring the addition of a Donovan McNabb, Grads is #1 going into camp…and unless JaMarcus has IT figured out THIS YEAR, he will never be a great QB in this league. Serviceable maybe, but not great. Whether he has the most “potential” or not.
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Unbelievable!! Hell, let’s not stop with JR HayesDaze. He’s obviously better than a lot of starters in the league. Out of the top 32 qbs, where would you rank your best buddy Bruce?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Vegas is hard at work giving tj & jhill fact after fact so they can spin him in a circle with drooling brain dead rhetoric so he doit all over again! Vegas get off the merry go round! Your not going to pound an ounce of sense into an empty head!
lol
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:50 pm
HD37,
Grads is a short guy man. Mini Garcia.
Pocket presense? What about his 3 fumbles lost in what, half the games played?
All thise other attributes got him a 54% completion avg.
If Russell is not the answer, and he very well may not be the guy, Gradkowski is NOT the guy I want to be “next in line”. I’d rather go with Losman, or try and draft another QB like Bradford.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Reporter: “Hi Dan Pastorini. I heard you once threw a football up to the 6th floor of a hotel’s balcony?”
Pastorini: “Yeah…people were PO’ed on the balcony…I was aiming for the 5th floor.”
True story.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:51 pm
This is dumbest post I’ve read since OakGlen/Seymour called Russell a “bonafide Qb”.
KookyKell go pick up your prize at Dollar Tree..
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# KoolKell Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:46 pm
To say that Russell “only” has a strong arm, is like saying Mike Bush only has strong legs.
Strong Arms beat tight coverage.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 pm
# buckeyeraider Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Maybe we could sign Herman Munster to play right tackle!
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“Two yutes? What’s a yute”?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:53 pm
kooky,
the Detroit Lions can lose every game for fifty years and still make money.
the Jacksonville Jaguars can have the worst attendance figures in the league and still make money.
what a scam.
kooky.
oh yes, let’s be serious about about the cap, no-cap…kooky.
NFL franchises are mints. Only their owners say otherwise. Woe is them. Woe is them. Kooky.
I didn’t make ten percent on my billion last year. Oh pity me. Oh pity me. Kooky.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Accuracy is the number attribute a QB needs. That is where Drew Brees reins supreme.
Height and arm strength have failed many a 1st round QB.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:54 pm
KookyKell, if you weren’t 1/2 retarted youd a thunk before you posted that Russell and his strong arm was ranked 35 out of 32 teams, no?
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Jamarcus Russelll = Dan McGwire
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
tj & jhill are quiet maybe they got a room at Super 8 and are lifting up each others skirts..
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
And this drivel is just that: “Give JaMarcus the line and receivers Grads had, and he’d light it up…”
OK…let’s say that JaMarcus would light it up with those guys. It’s possible.
But, isn’t it just as possible that Gradkowski would be that much better, too?
Imagine that…Grads actually playing better. Isn’t that possible? Or, are his limitations too much to overcome?
The ONLY way I want to compare Grads to Gannon right now…is that they both had little-to-no respect when they grabbed a starter’s role. Just ACTING like he wants the starter’s job gives him a leg-up, unfortunately.
And, if his performance is the same as last year, and THE REST OF THE TEAM improves, Gradkowski can take this team places. Discounting his potential is nonsense.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Velocity and Accuracy is the difference maker.
Without velocity, DB’s close on the ball.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:57 pm
I’ll be back in a week or 2 to set tj, jhill, oakglen/seymour, and kookykell on fire.
Guys stop feeding the animals..
take care,
Regards,
Mista
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:57 pm
# SATANFEARS ALDAVIS Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:15 pm
god i hate u guys…
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And oddly…no one pays attention to you, or even knows you’re alive.
Sad..but true.
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:59 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Velocity and Accuracy is the difference maker.
Without velocity, DB’s close on the ball.
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LMFAO..ridiculous.
IF you have a step on the defender..and you LEAD the receiver???
Well????
Not talking hail mary’s..key is LEADING THE RECEIVER..which means the defender isn’t going to close on the ball.
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:00 pm
# Mistabr0wn Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
tj & jhill are quiet maybe they got a room at Super 8 and are lifting up each others skirts..
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They’re Scottish?
It’s kilts..not skirts
Oakglen is skirts…granted.
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Velocity allows the QB to put the ball in small windows, Ok? Yikes.
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Why don’t you guys start citing some plays this year where Gradkowski made throws/plays that JaMarcus Russell hasn’t/can’t?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Russell still hasn’t thrown for 300 yards in a game in his career.
Both Bruce and even Frye did so last year.
How about we start their Debo?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
What about the TD pass to Murphy in the Bengals game?
The next time Russell looks one way and pump fakes, than comes around to the complete other side of the field and throws a TD, will be his first time.
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:17 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Russell still hasn’t thrown for 300 yards in a game in his career.
Both Bruce and even Frye did so last year.
How about we start their Debo?
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Charlie Frye’s start against Cleveland is proof that this is a useless fact. Do you have anything else?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Debo,
Are u saying Russell is a good QB?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 pm
I’m saying he’s a hell of a lot better than he looked last year. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that his supporting cast had a lot to do with his struggles last year. Hell, in three years, JaMarcus has never entered the season with the same wideouts he had at the end of the previous season. For just about any other young qb, that would be the main topic of conversation. Instead all I hear about is his work ethic, or lack therof. 2010 will be the first time he’s had the same guys. I’m looking forward to seeing how good he can be.
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Ok, Vegas …
Nice throw. Reminded me of why I’m looking forward to seeing Nick Miller over JLH. JLH would’ve never made that catch.
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Deb — You keep defending JaMarcus. Good on ya. I hope the guy is the greatest QB the Raiders ever had. But, I don’t think so.
I don’t care what his name is, what he looks like, or where he comes from. If the guy can do the job…and DOES do the job…that’s the only thing that matters.
A real fan of this team wants ANY of the QB’s to be the answer. We just want the answer — and he may not be on the roster already.
Even if Gradkowski’s the #2 this year…his new $1.5-2.5 Mill per year contract will be worth it — the cost of QB’s in this here league keeps going up. $2 Million for a guy with his potential (and limitations) could end up being a bargain a year from now.
Gotta run…
It’s a GREAT night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:35 pm
shees every where I go blah blah Russell sucks Grads is the man only he can take us to 8-8…. and then what? Grads is a back up! damn..
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Really Debo?
DHB and Murphy again in 2010? You think so?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
OK…after this, I’m gone.
RaiderDebo Says:
I’m saying he’s a hell of a lot better than he looked last year. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that his supporting cast had a lot to do with his struggles last year…/…
For just about any other young qb, that would be the main topic of conversation. Instead all I hear about is his work ethic, or lack therof.
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Deb — Ummm…the ones talking about JaMarcus’s work ethic, or lack thereof, are his own teammates and coaches.
Not just the blogosphere. His own teammates and coaches. Just the teammates’ opinions should be enough to convince anyone with a doubt.
Disregarding the comments coming from his own teammates isn’t really taking facts into account.
Gotta go.
And yes, to answer my own question, it IS a great night to be a Raiders fan.
Isn’t it?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Vegas,
How about those 3 fumbles lost for Grads in just 4 games? Think he would’ve got to 6 if he got 5 more games?
Is that acceptable?
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Grads is a backup at best. He is in comparison to Brees what Madonna is to Marilyn Monroe. A wannabe.
It aint even in the park. Brees has it all and had in college was spectacular should’ve been drafted higher but only 6 ft. other than that he would’ve gone in the top 5 very accurate strong arm anticipates leads and competes at a very high level. He was as good a QB as Peyton Manning just Peyton was 6′5″.
For those who say Russell made it off one game, do some homework go back and look at that kids stats from year to year and wins in the SEC if he had stayed in school he would’ve dominated he was just becoming a dominant QB in his junior year the same as the Manning he would’ve broken several records for passing yardage and TD’s, int ratio to TD and wins.
The kid rarely threw int’s had 8 come fro behind victories in 29 starts. in in 26 starts in the NFL he has had 4 come from behind wins in the 4th qrtr and OT.
Go back to HS days he was off the charts good. Right there with Mannings in Ole Miss. That kis has been great his whole life. Last year I think shocked him and I really believe could be a blessing in disguise.
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Jhill, not as sure about DHB. Couldn’t believe how many times the guy fell down just trying to come out of a break. Wouldn’t blame JR if he never threw the guy another pass. But I’ve got to believe with a year and another offseason under his belt, he’ll improve. and Murphy did show improvement by thge end of the year, especially when he became the THIRD receiver. Hoping it continues.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:01 pm
The list of QBs that were great in HS and College but never made it in the NFL is so long you couldnt list them all here. Who gives a flying F how good he was in school. This is the NFL where you cant get by on natural talent alone. Period. In this league the great ones work their arses off and thats the bottom line. Jamarcus Russell is not one of those guys, he has always skated by on his natural talent. No unbias observer ANYWHERE thinks this kid is heading anywhere but Bustville.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Ahhh…I can’t leave.
BHP — JaMarcus isn’t washed-up…anyone who says he is is wrong. They may predict it, and be (unfortunately) correct in the end…but, nobody truly knows if the kid’s a bust or not yet. Anyone who claims to know for sure is full of it.
But…just like DMC is closer to being a relative bust than DHB is at this point…JaMarcus is closer to being a bust than Gradkowski is at this point.
Until he shows a little (football) smarts, charisma (different than likeability) and maturity, JaMarcus will be closer to a bust than a success at the NFL level.
No matter where Gradkowski is in the pecking order.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 pm
‘No unbias observer ANYWHERE thinks this kid is heading anywhere but Bustville.”
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Hey Ron,
Which unbiased observers are you referring to? And how do you know they’re unbiased??? And can you think of any “unbiased” observers who have been wrong about other players in the past? What a joke!
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:09 pm
Hayes, of course Grads will never be considered a bust. He was drafted as a career backup and that’s all he’ll ever be. He’s meeting expectations for his 4th team.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Is Losman the journeyman backup to push for the starter’s job?
What journeyman backup is available, who might actually be able to take a team like this and do something with it. Sage Rosenfelds wants out. Is a Sage R the answer?
Is JaMarcus the answer? Do we just stand-pat, and hope he is better than Gradkowski (and Frye)? Do we go out and get another QB with experience, hoping for a break?
We already know we’ll be looking at a few kids before and after the draft — we’ve got to.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
It would be a joke if the opinions werent a consensus one. You find me one football “expert” who will tell you they think Russell is headed down the right path. I refering to guys who are paid to have opinions. Are they always right? No one is. Do they know more than me or you? Yep. Does EVERY one of these guys when talking about Russell say the same thing? Sure do. Their opinions arent the end all be all but they sure add credence to the argument that Russell is headed to the afore mentioned Bustville.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Debo,
Since your sooooo smart. Lets hear your SPECIFIC reasons why Russell wont be a bust.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 pm
That’s where most of these guy’s just don’t get it. You don’t do what Russell did in college on natural ability. You have to study the game and be a student f the game to learn any offense at that level in college. To say you don’t is VERY IGNORANT. That’s why kids get drafted in the 1st rnd instead of FA’s this kid played at a vey high level in his junior year his pro day work frew raves from every scout taht attended. He was a concensus 1st rnd pick. Your nuts if you think they do that based on one game. They went into this kids background from junior high to the day he was drafted.
But as I’ve said many times ignorance is blliss it’s like talking to kids in here. There were practices when Kiffin was here when he called what Russell did in practice like watching star wars. They went over this kid with a fine tooth comb B4 they drafted him. I know because I talked t some of the scouts that scouted him. It was an organizational pick. The only guy who wasn’t on board was Kiffin and I’m not sure why.
Russell has talent beyond anything Gradkowski could dream about all he needs to do is grow up……….period
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Deb — If Gradkowski can’t win…and hold onto the Raiders QB job, he would be considered a “bust.” But, there are plenty of teams out there who’d love to pay a guy like that $1.5 Mill to be #2 for them. That’s not too shabby for a bust.
But, would he be a bust because of where he was drafted? What if he were drafted #1? Would he be a super-bust then? How long does JaMarcus get before he is a bust? Or a super-bust?
In my mind, by the way, JaMarcus gets this year before I cut the cord. He saves his career, and his self-esteem by becoming a professional QB.
Like Gradkowski (even 4 years later), JaMarcus must become a professional-quality QB…that other teams would covet to be a reliable addition to their squads. Otherwise, why would we want to keep him?
This is it for JaMarcus. The time is now.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:22 pm
Is Phil Simms one of the “unbiased” experts your referring to? He sees greatness when he watches JR play. He rightly said that it was JR’s size and talent that won the Denver game. He said that JR makes very difficult throws look easy. He praised his decision making in the Balitimore game. He hardly makes it sound like JR is heading for “Bustville”. A Super Bowl winning qb’s opinion in case your interested.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Russell will put his nose to the grind stone and begin becoming the QB he was meant to be.
He had a 68.7 percent completion percentage his last year at LSU.
He’s shown a penchant for game winning drives.
He’ll get better play at WR.
He’ll get along better with Hue Jackson.
He’ll get some line help this off season.
He’ll get a fullback.
The run game will improve.
He’s got Zach Miller.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
#321 great post
the guy is Shaun Hill at best nothing more. If we’re going to ever get back to the SB someone much better than Grads has to get here if Russell doesn’t make it.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Listen, Grad can’t be a bust. There would have to be sky high expectations and a boat load of cahs expended before he could be considered a bust.
Far as Super Busts go, Russell would be King Sh*t of Diaper Mountain were he to bust out.
Highest paid number one draft pick QB ever to wash out?
Yikes…that would suck.
He’ll get his chane this coming camp to show if he gives 2 craps or whether he’s content to sit on his millions and waste his talent.
If he doesn’t win the starting job at the end of pre season, he may be gone.
Lets hope he rocks.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:29 pm
Priest, thanks for making a point that should have been made on this board a long time ago. Are there really people here who believe JaMarcus has accomplished what he has in his career just because he’s tall with a strong arm? You don’t throw 28 tds against 8 interceptions in Jimbo Fisher’s offense on your way to 1st-team all SEC because you are tall, lazy and you have a strong arm. People want to put this guy in a box so bad that they’ll actually try to get away with this madness!
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:30 pm
We’ll know somethings up if with the 8th overall pick we select Sam Bradford…
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Deb — You stop making sense with comments like this one:
RaiderDebo Says:
…Grads…/…was drafted as a career backup and that’s all he’ll ever be. He’s meeting expectations for his 4th team.
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There isn’t a football person in the world that would make that statement. From the #1 pick to Mr. Irrelevent…these guys are drafted to play. Not to be backups (at least, not for their entire careers).
Are they ALL expected to exceed? No way…they’re lucky (and great) just to even succeed.
But, the NFL was built on little nuggets of hope who turned into superstars. No matter where they were (or weren’t) drafted.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 pm
This ain’t the SEC anymore.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Debo, they keep talkling this one game wonder crap as if it’s fact. This put together a collegiate career that ranks with the best in SEC history and they just wont give him any due.
Russell just needs to up his game at this level and he will. It took him into his Soph season to put it together and when he did he put up some serious #’s with the best of them. They want him set the world on fire at age 23 when most QB’s don’t until 25-6 B4 you really start to see why they were drafted that high.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Debo,
You want this Fat Fuk to be good sooo bad that you flat ignore all the evidence that is right in your face.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 pm
There isn’t a football person in the world that would make that statement. From the #1 pick to Mr. Irrelevent…these guys are drafted to play. Not to be backups (at least, not for their entire careers).
Are they ALL expected to exceed? No way…they’re lucky (and great) just to even succeed.
But, the NFL was built on little nuggets of hope who turned into superstars. No matter where they were (or weren’t) drafted.
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Dude, are you kidding? are you telling me that you think the Bucs drafted Gradkowski to come in and win the starting job? Sure there are miracle stories. Look what happened with Tom Brady. But if a team really believes you’re starting material, you’ll go higher than the 6th round!! You can’t tell me that the Buc’s draft intentions with Grads were the same as the Raiders’ with JaMarcus. Not trying to rain on anyone’s Cinderella story, but let’s be realistic.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 pm
HD37
who said it was? he’ll get there that’s all we’re saying you talking smack aint going to stop him. Just give the time to pull it together. Brees did it at age 25, as did most great QB’s I’m betting that’s when he’ll get it done. so we’ll see..
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:41 pm
“Fat Fuk”
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Spoken like a true JaMarcus Hater. LOL!
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 pm
aint it the truth…………..they hate the kid. They really don’t want him as their QB and it aint football related.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
Are there really people here who believe JaMarcus has accomplished what he has in his career just because he’s tall with a strong arm? You don’t throw 28 tds against 8 interceptions in Jimbo Fisher’s offense on your way to 1st-team all SEC because you are tall, lazy and you have a strong arm. People want to put this guy in a box so bad that they’ll actually try to get away with this madness!
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No — The madness is not acknowledging the fact that college IS the place to do all those things with the strong arm and height. I don’t care if it’s the SEC, community college, or Pee Wee leagues…a strong arm gets it done there.
In the NFL, the strong MIND wins almost every time.
When JaMarcus demonstrates his football mind…at a professional level…and combines it with his cannon-arm…then, he’ll be a success.
His arm means nothing if his MIND isn’t as strong.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:50 pm
BHP — Does that mean you’re labeling me a racist because I point out JaMarcus might not have IT?
If you are, BHP, you’ve lost all credibility with me…because I’ll know then where your heart and mind REALLY are.
So, enlighten me as to why I can’t have a different view than you on JaMarcus — a player on my one and only favorite team, who I would never wish any harm to?
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
He demonstrated his football mind plenty HazeDaze to the coaches in practice and in meetings. You don’t know everything son. You pulling straws you don’t start in the NFL if you don’t demonstrate those things. This kid won games and competed well at times wether you are capable of admitting it or not he did IT. And the coaches have intimated as much wetheer the haters realize it or not. This kid KNOWS his playbook he is just struggling with NFL speed and defenses when he gets that down he’ll be fine.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 pm
No — The madness is not acknowledging the fact that college IS the place to do all those things with the strong arm and height. I don’t care if it’s the SEC, community college, or Pee Wee leagues…a strong arm gets it done there.
In the NFL, the strong MIND wins almost every time.
When JaMarcus demonstrates his football mind…at a professional level…and combines it with his cannon-arm…then, he’ll be a success.
His arm means nothing if his MIND isn’t as strong.
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It’s JaMarcus’ strong mind that makes me think he will be a success in this league. He demonstrated a very strong mind in engineering 8 fourth-qtr comebacks in college which translated to similar perfomances in the NFL against Tampa Bay, San Diego, Kansas City and Denver during the last two seasons. Three of those were on the road and resulted in wins. In the KC game, he overcame a horrid game and faced the wrath of his teammates on the plane ride home, and he come through. And after being benched for two inferior players, he found a way to pull out the Denver game without any pass protection and teammates that had supposedly given up on him the previous week against the Skins. And this is a the guy you say hasn’t shown a “stong mind”????? Dude, you’re nuts!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 pm
HD37, I haven’t called anyone a racist. I’ve said what they say smacks of bigotry. Now wether you are a racist or not is on YOU. I say if the shoe fits wear it, if not why trip?
You’re not going to change my mind on what I think about some of the folks in here. Out f the hearts abundance the mouth speaks and some of these guy’s reveal who they are by what they say………..period
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Jeez, Priest — You make it seem like I’m a JaMarcus hater. Far from it…I want him to be nothing but successful — with or without the Raiders. But, we can’t ignore what’s happening right in front of us (even if you have a special connection to the kid — directly or otherwise).
So, BHP — Let’s just say we disagree…but STOP the racist implications just because I see things differently than you.
“They” are not me…and you building an ally by making it seem as though I have some racial agenda behind my comments (like a few trolls and/or pigs do) is offensive.
I thought you had a little more character than that, frankly.
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm
Amen Debo!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Hayes,
Don’t know if you you have a racist agenda. But if you don’t want people to label you a hater, you should watch the name calling. You may not like Russell’s performance, but why do you have to refer to him as a “Fat Fuk”? That’s a Hater red flag if I ever saw one.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
FOOTBALL SMARTS, Deb…the kid goes nowhere without FOOTBALL SMARTS.
It’s that simple.
How come nobody’s explained to me why JaMarcus would be the only QB on the roster to benefit by having a better line and running game? Why wouldn’t it stand to reason that Gradkowski and Frye would improve equally if that were to happen?
Oh, yeah…it’s that limitations thing again. Does pointing out limitations = racist remarks? If so, BHP…kettle black to you, too!
Can I say “kettle black” without someone calling me a racist?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Do me a favor Hayes. Tell me what makes you think JaMarcus doesn’t have football smarts. Also, do you agree that the “strong mind” I referred to in my previous post is an intangible that is important to having success in the NFL?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:11 pm
HD37, you keep bringing up the race issue concerning yourself. Who said you were? that’s your opinion not mine.
And it offends me when you keep saying we’re (I) am ignoring something right in front of me. I seee what’s going on as well if not better than you I saw his struggles and I know what he does in way of partying. You guy’s think we didn’t see that chaos last year I just don’t see it the way YOU do……perid
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Deb — I’ve NEVER, EVER, called JaMarcus anything. Here or in person. I don’t even “boo” my team — no matter how poorly they play.
So, get off your high horse, and go find the people who do say those things. Obviously, you know not what kind of fan I am…the kind that will never hate his own players (even if I don’t want them on the team to start with).
Deb — Never heard of you before…no reason to get into it with you…unless you start labeling me something I’m not, just to make yourself look (or feel) better.
Raiders 100%…no matter who starts or who plays. Raiders #1 at all times, whether I “like” a guy or not.
Anyone who isn’t 100% Raiders no matter what…is NO fan of the Raiders.
So, Deb — What is your beef with me?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RaiderRon Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:37 pm
Debo,
You want this Fat Fuk to be good sooo bad that you flat ignore all the evidence that is right in your face.
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Hayes,
Totally my bad man. Got you mixed up. Sorry.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Debo, the football smarts thing is all they have to hang onto. They’ll never say he has them or they have nothing left.
BTW it is ridiculous to think a QB would start an entire fotball season without football smarts. It’s a contradiction in and of itself.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
I agree Priest. Honestly, when I watch JaMarcus play, I don’t see a guy who doesn’t get it. He rarely throws the ball into a crowd like you see a lot of other qbs do. Lane Kiffin, Pat Kirwan and Jimbo Fisher have all spoken to him his football intelligence. But people stick to that belief without any real proof. It’s mind boggling!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Priest — This actually deserves a HYPOCRITE ALERT, but I don’t have it in me right now.
priesttj Says:
aint it the truth…………..they hate the kid. They really don’t want him as their QB and it aint football related.
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Since I’m basically the only “they” around right now…who’s that supposed to refer to?
So, like I said before Priest — Let’s just agree to disagree on the QB position…but don’t label me something I am not.
And…there are example every year of QB’s who play without “football smarts”…the Raiders have had a number of them over the years…and so have many other teams.
QB’s of all colors and creeds no less!
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm
How about that Kirk Morrison?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Deb — I’ve NEVER, EVER, called JaMarcus anything. Here or in person. I don’t even “boo” my team — no matter how poorly they play.
So, get off your high horse, and go find the people who do say those things. Obviously, you know not what kind of fan I am…the kind that will never hate his own players (even if I don’t want them on the team to start with).
Raiders 100%…no matter who starts or who plays. Raiders #1 at all times, whether I “like” a guy or not.
Anyone who isn’t 100% Raiders no matter what…is NO fan of the Raiders.
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Wrong, sasquatch.
What you mean to say is you’re a lemming.
Lemming: “He that follows blindly, never questioning the status quo, goes where he’s told to go, does what he’s told to do. Matters little if it makes sense, you will march merrily along, over the cliff if need be, simply because you know no other way but to follow”
Save that silly grade school “If you’re not 100% a WIMP, YOU’RE NOT A RAIDER FAN”.
You’re the first person I’ve run across that makes a jellyfish look like it has a spine…it doesn’t, and neither do you.
Now..get back in line..and do as your told.
Send in your money. Bow down, and kiss everyone’s ass, then tell yourself “I’m a good boy. I’m a fan. Who do I write the check too?”
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
There…changed the subject. Now, I’m gone.
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan! Oh, yeah…it really is.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
That was in response to RaiderRon HD37, so if you just want to put it on your self so be it. It wasn’t meant for you.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm
Debo, the football smarts thing is all they have to hang onto. They’ll never say he has them or they have nothing left.
BTW it is ridiculous to think a QB would start an entire fotball season without football smarts. It’s a contradiction in and of itself.
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Not if it’s the Raiders.
ANY other team would have benched JR after the 4th game..hell…maybe even after he showed up looking like a beached whale, and refused to run during camp, while everyone else did…while he stunk up camp, stunk up the preseason, then proceeded to stink the rest of the year.
The fact JR, after THREE FULL YEARS, STILL DOESN’T KNOW THE PLAYBOOK says he’s never going to be considered as “smart”.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Who thinks LT is done?
I read some articles that suggest Jacoby Ford may run a sub 4.2.
Who thinks Al will draft him, if he runs well at the combine.
He can return kicks, and he can also catch.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Ahhh, RickyLake is here…another delay — A lemming, you say? I wouldn’t call me that.
But, I’d be proud to LEAD the group supporting the Raiders no matter what.
Something RickyLake (or his other troll names) just hates to hear…that there REALLY are REAL fans who REALLY like their team…win or lose.
Lemming? Naaah. Good fan? Oh, yeah. Thanks for pointing that out, Ricky my girl.
Swing and a miss, there, RickyLake. Anything better than the 10th grade argument?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Good evening BHP.
I think J Peppers will not be tagged again, so do you think we should try to sign him and move Seymour to DT?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
RaiderO, I don’t know what he runs but the kid can play he’s exciting to watch.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 8:57 pm
HD37, I haven’t called anyone a racist. I’ve said what they say smacks of bigotry. Now wether you are a racist or not is on YOU. I say if the shoe fits wear it, if not why trip?
You’re not going to change my mind on what I think about some of the folks in here. Out f the hearts abundance the mouth speaks and some of these guy’s reveal who they are by what they say………..period
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EXACTLY…and you’ve made it 100% clear you’re the biggest racist on the board.
See…it’s YOU that keeps playing the race card…
Bad news for you, TJ..you aren’t slow because of your race….give that sorry angle up.
You don’t speak like an illiterate because of your race..even though you probably use that as a crutch…
and when someone says Jr is ’slow’?? Don’t automatically run the racist crap you run when YOU hear it…has NOTHING TO DO WITH COLOR, FOOL..it’s because he’s slow..plain and simple.
Someone says he’s fat and you make it into race.
Someone says he’s lazy, AND YOU MAKE IT INTO RACE.
You’re the worst of the worst with the race crap…
In other words, YOU’RE MAKING EXCUSES…FOR YOU, AND JR.
it’s you…plain and simple.
It’s JR…not his color…SO GIVE IT UP.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:36 pm
The Raiders are a bad fit for Russell. An Immature guy like him would have benefited from being in a stable, smart organization.
Instead 2 Head Coaches, 3 Play-Callers, No Leadership within the organization, No accountability anywhere there……………
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
What’s up RaiderO I’m not sure we’re rcih enough t pay that freight but if we can I would do it. It would probably make that line considerably better vs the run and dominant in pass defense. I would not be shocked if Big Al did it.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Ahhh, RickyLake is here…another delay — A lemming, you say? I wouldn’t call me that.
But, I’d be proud to LEAD the group supporting the Raiders no matter what.
Something RickyLake (or his other troll names) just hates to hear…that there REALLY are REAL fans who REALLY like their team…win or lose.
Lemming? Naaah. Good fan? Oh, yeah. Thanks for pointing that out, Ricky my girl.
Swing and a miss, there, RickyLake. Anything better than the 10th grade argument?=
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ARGUMENT? lol..from who? YOU???
Lemmings don’t argue…you know that.
Good fan? dude…you’re a mouse…mice don’t make good fans. Mice meekly sit, usually on their hands..politely clapping.
No, mouse, good fans want what’s best for the team. Good fans expect players to do their best. Good fans expect the front office to do their job…AND GOOD FANS SHOULD DEMAND BETTER WHEN THEY DON’T.
The mice? Well, hell…you just sit back and wait for others to speak…while you gasp at their audacity, lol.
Now…quick…back in the shadows…where it’s safe.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
And…I’m actually ADDING to my season seats this year, not subtracting.
Win or lose, baby.
Raider O — Take care of Ricky tonight, would ya? What little logical discussion we were (almost) having in here went out the window when RickyLake BLEW in.
He’s not that hard to knock around, O — He’ll do it to himself, given the chance.
I’m really out now — Not worth my time or effort at this point.
Patron me, baby.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
BTW TJ…everytime you run your race card Bull**** I’m going to cut and paste the above..calling you out.
Because that’s what good fans do
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
BHP,
Would you take him over Leroy Vann from Florida A&M?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Richochet Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
Now back in the shadows for you, Haze.
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HayesDaze37 Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:39 pm
I’m really out now — Not worth my time or effort at this point.
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Good boy.
You take directions so well.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Have a great Evening Hayes, and enjoy the Patron.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Do you guys like Weatherspoon, and do you think he is a better fit for our Defense than McClain?
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Haven’t seen Vann, not sure. There’s a kid named Stewart from Southern Uni. that I like a lot he’s possesion guy who runs great routes. We should take one of these gifted WR’s in the 5th or 6th because there are some very good ones that will be left.
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Witherspoon is an OLB McClain is a MLB we need the MLB. Spoon is a great talent though
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm
adios guys!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 pm
BHP,
I like RT Kyle Calloway in the 2nd, or Trent Williams if he was available.
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:03 pm
Good night BHP.
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Spoon is projected as an ILB/OLB in the 4-3, and an ILB in the 3-4.
Teams that showed interest in the SR Bowl are the Raiders and Bears according to NFL Draft Countdown.
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Actual memo sent down from Herrera’s office to all employees, and even some fan booster clubs:
“Act like you have a great life. Act like you have lots of friends, and all you do is party. Label pessimistic fans as grumpy outcasts. And most importantly, say you’re going to buy even more season tickets this year!”
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Oh snap!….all dis shizzle bout jamarksus..he da man, ya heard me? who said that?
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
i puts my change on jamarksus…all year long, ya heard me? who said that? ooooohhhhiiiiieee
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm
oh snap, guess what i saw…im all abouts da raiduhs football. oooohhhiiiiieeeeeee
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:46 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Do you guys like Weatherspoon, and do you think he is a better fit for our Defense than McClain?
^^^^^^^^^
Weatherspoon can play MIKE in this type of Raider defense. He is a verbal leader and is not afraid to get in his teammates faces when they miss an assignment.
He would be a solid 2nd round pick for this team.
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
oh snap whens da drafts this year….oooohhhiiiieeeee I cants waits another second…oh snap, wit da 8th picks in da draft, da raiduhs select,..one bad mo fo!…ya heard me?
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:53 pm
watchin soul plane on da dvd,..ya heard me?…funny chit homie!
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:58 pm
biz markie shut up white boy .. anyway
just wanted 2 say. if raiders dont get jimmy clausen in this draft. theyll be sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Russell scored a 24 on his Wonderlic. He’s not stupid.
February 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 pm
The Raiders need to draft any one of these players beloe and be happy:
Anthony Davis (would be a great pick at #8 and would start at LT or RT right away)
Ndamukong Suh (will need to trade up to get him)
Jason Pierre-Paul (this athletic beast would be the stating RDE from the get go)
Rolando McClain (may wait for a LB like Weatherspoon in the 2nd Round instead)
Brandon Graham (intense and a Dumerivil type of player, probably not tall enough for the old man though to pick that high, even though he is a beast)
February 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Actual memo sent down from Herrera’s office to all employees, and even some fan booster clubs:
“Act like you have a great life. Act like you have lots of friends, and all you do is party. Label pessimistic fans as grumpy outcasts. And most importantly, say you’re going to buy even more season tickets this year!”
^^^^^^^^^^
Thats EXACTLY what is going on in here! LOL
February 23rd, 2010 at 3:54 am
February 23rd, 2010 at 4:46 am
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February 23rd, 2010 at 5:48 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
4eva…good to see you. I thought yesterday was your last day for awhile here…anyways…:)
February 23rd, 2010 at 5:56 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,WONT BE THE SAME WITHOUT 4EVA,HE CANT LEAVE..
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:10 am
DKnight007…any one of those would be good…but get ready for Taylor Mays or any DB that runs a lightning fast 40 time…
Gawd, I hope not!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 am
I would trade JaMarcus Russell to the Denver Broncos right now in exchange for QB Tom Brandstater.
He would not beat out Orton or Simms. Then they could pay him to eat skittles on the bench!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:13 am
Other than Bradford, I don’t have a lot of confidence in the early QB options in the draft. They could select someone in the later rounds, but I think just re-signing Losman to a contract would be the same thing. They may go into the OTA’s with 4 QBs but I think either Losman or Frye will leave for a better opportunity. I can’t think of where though.
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:15 am
I’d trade JaMarcus for a bag of skittles right now.
But if you had a bag of skittles, wouldn’t you rather go with that instead???
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:16 am
Pendergast spent the past 15 years in the NFL, including five years as defensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He helped Arizona make it to the Super Bowl following the 2008 season before leaving for Kansas City last year.
Pendergast’s defenses have excelled at creating turnovers. In his five years in Arizona, the Cardinals had 77 interceptions and 71 fumble recoveries, the eighth most turnovers in the league in that span.
“Hopefully, I can bring the ability to be a very good teacher of the game, give our players direction and put them in position to use their strengths along with their talent to make plays,” he said. “We want to play smart, tough and aggressive. Those will be the three keys.”
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and some of you clowns said he wasn’t even qualified to be asst DB’s coach? LOL!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 am
LOS ANGELES (AP) Carnell Lake is resigning as an assistant football coach at UCLA.
Head coach Rick Neuheisel said Monday that Lake is leaving after one season for family reasons.
Lake, who played at UCLA and in the NFL, had coached the Bruins’ cornerbacks since arriving in January 2009. The Bruins ranked second in the Pac-10 in pass defense.
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go get him Al !!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 am
2day is my last 4awhile Hwnrdr
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:18 am
I know Rockstar…
I was shocked when AZ let him go…
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 am
Tim Tebow is making some concessions as he transitions into a (hopeful) NFL player: He’s adjusting the mechanics of his throwing motion.
Tebow, who came out of Florida’s shotgun-based offense and then drew heavy criticism for his performance at the Senior Bowl, told ESPN he is trying to adjust his throwing style to fit in with the NFL.
Said Tebow:
“I’m not changing who I am or how I approach football. But there are things that I can get a lot better at — my fundamentals. I’ve never been asked to shorten or quicken my release and not have a loop in it. The changes I’m making have gone very well and it’s becoming more and more natural to me.”
Tebow said it was not the criticism he absorbed at the Senior Bowl that prompted him to change his motion. At the Senior Bowl, he rejected those who suggested he might need to change positions in the NFL.
“Without hearing the criticism,” Tebow told ESPN, “I would have done it.”
Tebow has been working with several NFL coaching veterans trying to improve. Zeke Bratkowski, a former NFL offensive coordinator, told ESPN Tebow has already improved drastically:
“You’re not looking at the same quarterback. To say we’re there 100 percent where we want to be, no. But we’ll be more improved come pro day than we are at this point in time now.”
Tebow said he will not show the new throwing motion to NFL talent evaluators at this week’s combine, holding it back instead for the Florida pro day on March 17.
– Sean Leahy
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 am
4evaRaider Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 am
2day is my last 4awhile Hwnrdr
Sad to hear that, 4eva! But…I know you WILL be back!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 am
thankx guys
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 am
408
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:21 am
So…are you lobbying for Tebow, Rockstar?
I get the point of you posting that, though. Something JaSkittles never done!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:21 am
Oh yeah wouldnt miss it
GO RAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDEEEEEERRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:24 am
so yesterday Jhill said that he expected Russell to struggle with his mechanics, footwork and drop backs since he didn’t do it much at LSU. Mainly a shotgun-based offense … So Russell was given a pardon for 3 offseasons (possibly 4 if you include this offseason).
Tebow takes heat for the same thing and he’s working on it BEFORE THE DRAFT. HAHAHA!
come on haters. please explain why the ever so hard working Russell needs 4 years and Tebow thinks he can get it done in a month or so.
I’ll take Tim Tebow over JaMarcus Russell 10 times out of 10 …
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:25 am
11 times out of 10
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:27 am
That would be some kind of message to Russell wouldn’t it, if Al grabs Tebow…huh?
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:29 am
like HELLO
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 am
This Jamarcus Russell character is about the most divisive thing to happen to the nation in awhile.
If you think he is overweight and lend credence to his coaches and teammates comments on his work ethic, you are a racist.
If you want to see what you have in Bruce, you have no idea what talent looks like.
This is going to be a very looooooong offseason.
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:35 am
So…are you lobbying for Tebow, Rockstar?
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Hwnrdr:
Consider me a fan of Tim Tebow. Having said that, I think we have more important needs than the QB position.
I think an open QB competition between Russell (yes I said it!), Gradkowski, Frye, Losman & Southwick could produce a starter capable of 8 or more wins. Let the guy who gives us the best chance to win games play – even if he’s not the highest paid!
two biggest areas to upgrade IMO are OT & DT. We also need a guard and cornerback. That is where our first 4 draft picks should be spent.
If Tebow somehow drops to Round 4, consider it a steal like Louis Murphy, Mike Bush & Tyvon Branch. DRAFT HIM!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:35 am
IMHO….the way #2 has conducted himself sinse his signing,has been more detrimental 2 the team than any other thing. Move to L.A. included
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 am
BRING IN VICK AND GO TO THE WISHBONE,VICK-DMAC-BUSH-FARGAS,WHAT THE HELL…
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:38 am
If you want to see what you have in Bruce, you have no idea what talent looks like.
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Vegas: people dump on us for simply wanting to give Bruce a friggin opportunity. I don’t get that
He’s shown more promise in 4 starts than JaMarcus has in 25 starts!
slap a tender on the guy and let him compete…
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:40 am
Dirt Lot: I’m not a fan of Vick the player or Vick the person …
but I’d still rather have him on this team than JaWalrus!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:41 am
vegas raider Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:32 am
This Jamarcus Russell character is about the most divisive thing to happen to the nation in awhile.
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Solution? Trade DMAC.
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 am
Gradkowski = Uniter
#2 = divider
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:42 am
You know I really hope that what has been passed around as JaMarcus NOT being handed the reigns this year and that he would have to earn it is TRUE!!!
I don’t want him to fail, but have this feeling that he just doesn’t have it. Doesn’t have that fire because everything was given to him. That is the one thing I agree with Kiff on…he’s just NOT ready!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:43 am
lol @ Bo
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:44 am
BSJ: trade DMAC to Philly for McNabb?
Westbrook is done imo
and Kevin Kolb is waiting in the wings …
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:45 am
I’m going off the deep-end and won’t make any friends with this, but fck it I’m saying it:
This racial “element” that black guys like Priest and others throw out when chiding the anti-Russell crowd really pisses me off.
All the excuses for Russell (the bad O-line, play-calling and young WR’s) are not allowed to be used to make any sort of excuses for the white guys behind Russell.
Sounds like a double standard towards the white guys.
I scream racism!!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 am
Relax Vegas …
You’re not even backing the white guys.
You’re rollin with the polish dude, lol.
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:49 am
I’m going off the deep-end and won’t make any friends with this, but I want Kirk Morrison & Thomas Howard back …
-get a real NT
-drop the prevent defense for good
-score some points on offense
watch and see what happens!
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 am
Lol, Jhill….I feel better.
Just hate the double-standards. I tossed and turned all night, couldn’t unwind from the great Grads debate.
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:53 am
jhill Says:
February 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Vegas,
How about those 3 fumbles lost for Grads in just 4 games? Think he would’ve got to 6 if he got 5 more games?
Is that acceptable?
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:55 am
Vegas: “the great Grads debate.”
the Great Gradsby?
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:55 am
Well Marc Wilson made me wanna fukkin PUKE that fukkin white boy S-U-C-K-E-D.SUCKED…..I HATED HIMMMMMMMM
But he’s better than #2
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 am
I got no problem say #2 S-U-C-K-E-S,because he DOES
I got no problem saying Marc Wilson S-U-C-K-E-D,because he DID
To us Vegas its that simple…..not for others,it would seem
February 23rd, 2010 at 6:59 am
Eldridge Dickey was better than JaMarcus and he never got a chance to play QB in Oakland !!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:00 am
J,
I was just going to post on that.
Definately, too many fumbles. One of the fumbles was in the Jets game, so it wasn’t in just 4 games, but still too many. He also fumbled a snap in the Cincy game.
That’s one area where Jamarcus is better, not fumbling snaps.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 am
Tim Tebow over Jamarcus Russell?
Wow!
He can’t even throw the ball man. At least Russell can actually pass the ball. Every throw in the book I think the consensus was.
With Tebow he needs to learn how to THROW the ball on top of his footwork. I wouldn’t waste a 4th rd pick on that guy. Plenty of better prospects than him, including Russell.
And the 4 year pardon propoganda is hilarious.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 am
Shoot, Dan FN Pastorini is better than #2!!!
Sad thing about that was…anyone remember that when he went down to bring in Plunkett (at least for the rest of the season that hey…got us our second SB win)…the fans hollered and cheered because of it!
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:03 am
ELDRIDGE DICKEY HAS 2 B IN HIS 70′S NOW.U STILL THINK HE BEATS OUT MR RUSSELL ROCKSTAR ?
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:05 am
Tim Tebow and Jamarcus Russell are almost complete polar opposites.
One guy has every physical tool you would want from a QB, the other has every mental tool you would want from a QB.
Sadly, I think they will both just end up being NFL tools.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:06 am
So Vegas,
I’m no numbers guy, but I it would seem that Russell and Grads a very similar % in the fumbles lost category.
Why is it that only Russell gets talked about as having a lack of pocket presense?
Frankly, I don’t think it applies to either guy. They are just both victims of bad OT play, and get hit while looking downfield. Grads isn’t too slow reading the field, he just doesn’t have time to get the ball out, right?
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:07 am
ELDRIDGE DICKEY HAS 2 B IN HIS 70′S NOW.U STILL THINK HE BEATS OUT MR RUSSELL ROCKSTAR ?
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Dickey became a minister later in life
passed away 10 years ago (stroke)
he would have been 65 years old this year …
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 am
He can’t even throw the ball man.
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Tim Tebow isn’t the only QB who needs to work on his mechanics Jhill. As I recall Philip Rivers had an awkward throwing motion in college too. How is he doing in the pros?
Yes. Tebow over Russell. I’ll say 100 more times if thats what it takes to make you understand …
4th Round Pick = low risk, high reward
Has Russell been working on perfecting his game since February of 2007? How is that transition going thus far?
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:12 am
The numbers are true, pretty identical.
When looking at Bruce’s 3 lost fumbles, one is in the Jets game late in the 4th. One was a fumbled snap, and the other was the last play of the first half on Turkey day.
So they weren’t the same type of fumbles, each one was different.
Russell seems to fumble the same way almost everytime, right at the beginning of his throwing motion.
I think that leads to the theory of no pocket-presence but I look at the sack numbers for that.
Bruce was sacked 5 times in his 3 and half starts. Jamarcus was sacked 6 times in the 2nd half of the Redskins game.
Same line, same WR’s, same play-caller.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:18 am
LOL!
I’m sure you’ll say it more than a 1000 times, and it doesn’t really surprise me one bit.
4th rd pick = guy we need now like a FB or LB.
As for since 2007, Kiffin and Knapp seemed to think so. Like Vegas said, all the physical tools you want in a QB. I’ll go with that guy instead of hoping a guy might develop those tools after finally reaching the NFL. I’d rather trade the 4th rd pick for Alex Smith.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:19 am
Cable as play caller
Heyward-Bey & Murphy at WR
Carlisle at RG
Green at RT
these guys seem to take a lot of heat from the JaBlubber lovers.
did Russell do his job any better than the above mentioned clowns?
the answer is no.
so why is it that he gets a free pass and they don’t?
hey are all EQUALLY BAD imo
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:22 am
I thought it was because Bruce played faster and was more mobile. I don’t see how pocket presense has anything to do with that. To your point, Russell is getting hit just as he starting his throwing motion. I’d say that’s a fat arss issue. If he was a half a second quicker in his drops those things are avoided.
OR ….
If we had better OTs …
just sayin’
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:25 am
I’d rather trade the 4th rd pick for Alex Smith.
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SF isn’t going to trade their starting QB for a 4th rounder man. come off it
FB’s & LB’s in the draft are dime a dozen. grab one in free agency or Rounds 5-7.
Kiffin & Knapp are both in their 3rd job in 3 years and have not been successful at any of those stints. So what makes their opinion so respected or accurate? They brought in Josh McCown & Daunte Culpepper to start until JaMarcus was ready. Dumped Moss and kept scrubs like Ronald Curry, Tim Dwight & mike Williams on the roster.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 am
Cable as play caller
Heyward-Bey & Murphy at WR
Carlisle at RG
Green at RT
These guys don’t seem to take a lot of heat from the JaFukdus haters.
Did the above mentioned clowns do their jobs any better than Russell?
the answer is no.
so why is it that they get a free pass and Russell doesn’t?
They were all EQUALLY BAD imo
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 am
would the 49ers trade Alex Smith for JaMarcus Russell?
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:30 am
those guys take a lot of heat from EVERY Raider fan Jhill.
but Russell gets a pass from you and 2 or 3 other JaBlubber lovers out there in Raider Nation.
why pull him away from the scrubs category? what has he done?
he’s obviously PART of the problem. not part of the solution
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:30 am
I’d say that’s a fat arss issue. If he was a half a second quicker in his drops those things are avoided.
OR ….
If we had better OTs …
just sayin’
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Agree….
But than there is the issue of what happens with the ball AFTER he throws it. We still haven’t gotten that down either.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 am
Here’s an exerp from a yahoo article.
Likewise, Oakland didn’t understand the tendencies of quarterback JaMarcus Russell(notes), the No. 1 overall pick in 2007. The book on Russell, even in college, is that he requires an authority figure leaning on him constantly to make sure he works hard. Yeah, Russell has been tagged with being lazy, but that’s not exactly right. He’ll work, but he has to be prodded. The Raiders now have hired offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, a guy who isn’t afraid to ride herd. Sadly, it may be too late.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 am
Jhill : did you forget to change the last line of your copy & paste?
“They were all EQUALLY BAD imo”
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 am
be back later. gotta meeting!
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:32 am
SF isn’t going to trade their starting QB for a 4th rounder man. come off it
FB’s & LB’s in the draft are dime a dozen. grab one in free agency or Rounds 5-7.
Kiffin & Knapp are both in their 3rd job in 3 years and have not been successful at any of those stints. So what makes their opinion so respected or accurate?
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LMFAO man!
We’re NOT drafting Tim Tebow in rd 4 either, so YOU come off it.
Of course anything or anyone contradicting what you say isn’t credible, lol. Kiffin and Knapp aren’t credible but Cable is? LMFAO!
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 am
but Russell gets a pass from you
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I’m still waiting on you to explain what that mean. Fact of the matter is there are only 3 or 4 of you who run that JR gets a pass stuff.
Usually right around the time you run out of valid takes, lol.
I’ll say it one more time. You know, like you’ll say the Tim Tebow thing over and over …
I accept the fact that the OWNER has a Jamarcus Russell fetish and will likely be our starting QB next year. Whether I like it or not, it is what it is.
I like the idea of Losman over Grads for competition.
Not impressed with Grads AT ALL!
Not liking Grads = in love with Russell in RRS world, lol!
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:37 am
another exerp from the same article.
Having mentioned Russell, the Raiders currently have a member of their staff hanging out with him on a regular basis, even during the offseason. It’s unfair to call this person a spy, but it’s not that far removed. Also, although Russell has denied it each of the past two years, a source close to him said he was more than 300 pounds in each of the past offseasons, doing his best to drop weight about three weeks before camp.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:42 am
For the Gerhart fans. Sorry for the copy and pasting but finding some interesting things as it relates to prior talks.
For all those fans (yep, including me) of Stanford running back Toby Gerhart, the guy who barely lost to Alabama’s Mark Ingram in the Heisman race, the news later this week might not be so good. According to two people, Gerhart’s medical report is likely to feature a number of lingering injuries from his hard-running college days. It likely will be enough to drop Gerhart out of the first round.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 am
Russell, even in college, is that he requires an authority figure leaning on him constantly to make sure he works hard. Yeah, Russell has been tagged with being lazy, but that’s not exactly right. He’ll work, but he has to be prodded.
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It’s amazing to me how many people are just avoiding the “prodding” issue. He shouldn’t have to be they say. LMFAO! Even if doing it makes things work? Are you really going to just stand behind he’s a grown man, yada, yada, yada …
Everyone likes to talk about Gannon, but what about his REAL critique of lack of structure and discipline?
I think someone described it best when they said Cable is like the dad that lets his sons get high with them. Kiffin and Knapp ran a tight ship and were on a mission to change the “culture”. Hopefully Hue is Russell’s new carpool buddy.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:45 am
Having mentioned Russell, the Raiders currently have a member of their staff hanging out with him on a regular basis, even during the offseason. It’s unfair to call this person a spy, but it’s not that far removed.
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About fugging time!
This guy and all the rest of these guys are fuggin EMPLOYEES MAN!!!!!
Who the fugg is runnin shyt, the inmates?
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:55 am
But than there is the issue of what happens with the ball AFTER he throws it. We still haven’t gotten that down either.
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I thought we covered 6 of the 11 picks yesterday?
SD game 1 – Murphy’s bad route and a hail marry
Denver game – DHB falls down, DHB bumped out of his route.
SD game 2 – Murphy fall down
Jets game – Revis’ ball skills vs Watkins
We even had the video, but we can surely do it again. And even go over the other 5. I concede the pick in the Jets game that almost got returned for a pick, and the pick in the Baltimore game. Horrible throws. The pick in the Washington game was a helluva play by Landry. Can’t remember the other 2.
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 am
Randy Hanson?
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:01 am
Good article Midwest … I thought this part was interesting
Step 2: Build around the quarterback
When the Indianapolis Colts took Peyton Manning(notes) with the No. 1 overall pick in the 1998 draft, they already had wide receiver Marvin Harrison(notes) in the fold. Presumably, such a great pitch-and-catch combination should have allowed Indy’s brilliant personnel man, Bill Polian, to use his next few high picks on defensive players.
Not exactly. In the next five years, the Colts selected running back Edgerrin James(notes), wide receiver Reggie Wayne(notes) and tight end Dallas Clark(notes) in the first round. In fact, in the 11 drafts since Manning was selected, the Colts first have taken a running back, wide receiver or tight end six times.
Likewise, after taking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) in the first round in 2004, the Steelers used their first-round pick in three of the next four drafts to take tight end Heath Miller(notes), wide receiver Santonio Holmes(notes) and running back Rashard Mendenhall(notes).
By contrast, after the 49ers took Smith in 2005, they used their 2006 pick on tight end Vernon Davis(notes) but didn’t take a wide receiver in the top two rounds until Michael Crabtree(notes) last year. In Oakland, the Raiders have turned the wide receiver position into a revolving door, although they did take Darrius Heyward-Bey(notes) in the first round this year. That said, Heyward-Bey appears to be a hyphenated way to spell bust.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:06 am
Not as worried about the turnovers as much as the completion %.
The missed opportunity on screen passes could be just as costly as a turnover!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:07 am
One thing you don’t see the Colts or Steelers doing in the first-round…drafting O-lineman.
Just saying.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 am
a source close to him said he was more than 300 pounds in each of the past offseasons, doing his best to drop weight about three weeks before camp.
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Vegas, your friend ditched you and is now this guys source, lol.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:09 am
Hope it’s not accurate but a line that stuck out to me from the article as well was Heyward-Bey appears to be a hyphenated way to spell bust.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:10 am
Not as worried about the turnovers as much as the completion %.
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I find that hard to believe since you keep talking about his 17 turnovers and Grads only completes 54% of his passes.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:12 am
vegas raider Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:07 am
One thing you don’t see the Colts or Steelers doing in the first-round…drafting O-lineman.
Just saying.
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You’re right!
Dez Bryant at 8!
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:17 am
Vegas, your friend ditched you and is now this guys source, lol.
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LOL….my guess is their is a lot of “sources” around this guy.
He admitted that he was fined by the Raiders last year for his weight. He is overweight, even by the Oakland Raiders standards.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:18 am
I find that hard to believe since you keep talking about his 17 turnovers and Grads only completes 54% of his passes.
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Well……all right, I’ll give you that one
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:19 am
Come Off it!
No, you come off it!!
Word!
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:22 am
Well……all right, I’ll give you that one
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What, that Grads 54% completions means he’s not the guy you thought he was? Misses too many screens, and what not?
Or that his fumbles lost % is right there with Russell making him turnover prone and not the guy you thought he was?
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:24 am
Bottom line on JR:
He’s too stupid and innacurate to ever be even a decent NFL QB.
He’s a certified MORON. Completely inarticulate and incapable of putting a coherent thought or sentence together. I can only imagine what goes on in the huddle when he’s attempting to call a play.
Accuracy ? NONE. Not even when he has time to throw.
Can’t read a defense. Can’t pump fake or use his eyes to move defenders.
Touch ? ZERO. Can’t even complete short passes to his backs. Every pass leaves his hand with the same velocity and arc.
Will go down as the biggest bust in NFL history without a doubt.
If you’ve watched the turd play and haven’t come to this conclusion yet, you’re either delusional or in complete denial.
Russell SUCKS. There’s no hope for him and no hope for the Raids if he regains the job as starting QB.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:25 am
He is everything I think he is, lol
I was giving you that I bring up Russell’s 17 turnovers more so than his sub-50% completion percentage.
Bruce was just a victim of spotty O-line play and young inexperienced WR’s.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 am
Bruce was just a victim of spotty O-line play and young inexperienced WR’s.
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LMFAO!
Now you’re getting the hang of it.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 am
I still believe Jabustus!!
You can do it!
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:29 am
So do you guys think Bob will be at the Rio Sportsbook Thursday at 4 for me to buy him a drink?
The moment of truth is upon us!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 am
I figured you’d like that one.
Let’s just hope that their is an open QB competition, with another guy BESIDES Bruce and Jamarcus, and one guy really emerges in the preseason as THE GUY.
If it is clearly Jamarcus, that would probably be the best case scenario. If it is maybe Bruce or the other guy, and Jamarcus still starts, that is about the worst case scenario.
We need someone to emerge, ANYONE. Bruce seems ready and willing to give it a go, talent be damned.
Off to do some work…later Nation
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:33 am
I hope so Vegas
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:38 am
Hope and change, huh?
Well it got Obama elected, lol.
When you’re done hoping for Al Davis to do something, hollar at me.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:38 am
“but Russell gets a pass from you”
I’m still waiting on you to explain what that mean.
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Jhill: it means “excused from blame”
blame the OL. blame the WRs. blame the play caller. even blame the defense. but don’t you dare blame my boy JaMarcus!
thats what it means … now go ahead and giggle and type something that has to do with Bruce
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:41 am
I accept the fact that the OWNER has a Jamarcus Russell fetish and will likely be our starting QB next year. Whether I like it or not, it is what it is.
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now you’re getting somewhere Jhill. please elaborate
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:52 am
Tom Cable had the authority WITH PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER to bench JaMarcus Russell last year.
Guys like Gradkowski, Frye & Losman were all thrown into the game ahead of the man you claim Al Davis has a fetish for.
Cable’s demotion from play calling duties has nothing to do with Russell imo. Cable is still the man in charge until further notice. If Al wanted to fire him he would have done it already this offseason or perhaps during the Hanson investigation or after the history of violence towards women report surfaced.
so what makes Russell the undisputed starter this year? If Davis was ok with him not starting last year, what makes this year any different? Hue Jackson?
John Herrerra & Hue Jackson himself said he’ll be there to coordinate the offense and help out “whoever the starting QB may be”. JR isn’t assured of anything. Al Davis wants to win games. He said he’d rather be right than consistent, didn’t he?
Russell will have to work hard this offseason. come to camp in shape, focused and ready to learn. build a chemistry with his young wides and gain the confidence of his coaches & teammates. He’ll have to OUTPLAY the other QB’s on the roster in order to start. He’ll be given every opportunity to be the guy, but unless he PROVES to be the best with his play on the football field then he will not be the starter.
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 am
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) The son of offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride has been added to the New York Giants coaching staff.
Tom Coughlin announced the hiring of Kevin Gilbride Jr. as the new offensive quality control coach.
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sounds like the Gilbrides are happy in NY!
February 23rd, 2010 at 8:57 am
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February 23rd, 2010 at 8:59 am
blame the OL. blame the WRs. blame the play caller. even blame the defense. but don’t you dare blame my boy JaMarcus!
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I did giggle ….
You read, or interpret things how you want to on any given day. You finally get it on the 1000th time I’ve said it?
LMFAO.
You agree that the Oline needs at least 3 new starters. How am I blaming them. It’s true, they suck.
You agree that DHB and Murphy should not have been starting as rookies, and Cable was an awful play caller. It’s not blame, they sucked.
I said Russell should have been benched in week 2. WEEK 2 MAN!
Gimme a break!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:00 am
Morning Nation
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:01 am
now that Tomlinson is gone, who will be the next big name dolt out in Sandy Eggo?
Unrestricted FAs include WR Kassim Osgood & OT Jon Runyan
Restricted FAs include OT Jeromey Clary, OT Marcus McNeill, WR Malcom Floyd, WR Vincent Jackson, OLB/DE Shawne Merriman and RB Darren Sproles
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:03 am
I said Russell should have been benched in week 2.
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Weeks 2-17?
wow. so you don’t have a man crush?
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 am
Just throwing something out there. With LT cut from the Chargers and a possible Huggy bear, DMAC, or Bush trade or release. Would you guys accept LT in a silver and black uniform??
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:10 am
eww LT in a raiders uniform almost makes me want to puke as much as seeing Marcus Allen in a chiefs uniform.
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:11 am
it would piss charger fans off something fierce though. maybe it would be good
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:13 am
DMAC: Tomlinson hasn’t just lost a step, he’s lost 3!
I’d bring him in to join the RB committee if we did trade Bush or McFadden, or if Fargas is released …
It’s rather crowded though at the moment and I don’t know that he’d be an upgrade over any of them, much less all of them. you know he wants to get paid more than the minimum and you know he wants to play for a winner. so unless our situation changes drastically, I simply don’t see it happening
one thing that I would like: he can find the endzone. Fargas seems allergic to it. The other guys I think can be productive under Hue Jackson with a revamped O-Line
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:17 am
what would you guys think if the Chargers offered us Kris Dielman or Jamal Williams in exchange for Mike Bush?
Deal or No Deal?
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 am
He’s probably pissed that SD cut him. He’ll have two games a season to try to run all over them.
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 am
I take the deal and then draft my boy RYAN MATHEWS!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:24 am
Delaware Pediatrician Accused of Molesting 103 Child Patients
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-us-delaware-pediatrician,0,770777.story
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:25 am
He’s probably pissed that SD cut him.
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He’s wanted out for 2 years now DMAC. He got his wish. He wants to play for a champion. I don’t think he’s bitter about the cut. I think he’s bitter that they sort of phased him out of the gameplan. Then they tagged Sproles last offseason & claimed Michael Bennett (former starter & 1st rounder) off waivers.
Only had 223 carries last year. That’s 16th in the NFL. Only 4 more than Joseph Addai
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:26 am
be back later. gotta run to the other building …
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:27 am
I would like to get on the Ryan Matthews train. But, he would only get killed if we don’t do something about the O line. Also, I wonder how good Michael Bush could be with more reps and a better line. He should be healthy. We haven’t abused him by over using him.
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 am
lady tomlinson is through
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:33 am
HELLLL NNOOOOOO!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 am
DMAC Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:05 am
Just throwing something out there. With LT cut from the Chargers and a possible Huggy bear, DMAC, or Bush trade or release. Would you guys accept LT in a silver and black uniform??
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HELLLLL NNOOOOOO!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 am
Thats what I meant to say!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:36 am
I forget to push F5…my bad!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:37 am
I forgot!!!lol
Damn…that bud is good!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:39 am
we know
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 am
Adam_Schefter
Raiders been shopping much of their roster, including CB Nnamdi Asomugha. But his contract makes him untradeable. More details at ESPN.com
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:53 am
Damn…the Raiders are shopping?
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 am
SHOP DMAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:57 am
thanks for the update 408!
I would trade Nnamdi for a player like Wilfork and a 2nd or 3rd round pick…
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:00 am
blockbuster trade idea:
Asomugha & McFadden in exchange for Kris Dielman, Jamal Williams, Antonio Cromartie and a 4th round pick…
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:01 am
I would shop everyone but Nnamdi.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 am
Nnamdi has the most trade value!
…and corners are dime a dozen with a good pass rush and run defense imo
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:04 am
15 million this year and 25 million next year is WAY too much money to pay a CB.
team can pass or run the ball at will against our defense as it stands right now!
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:05 am
RRS has a point.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 am
“Adam_Schefter
Raiders been shopping much of their roster, including CB Nnamdi Asomugha. But his contract makes him untradeable. More details at ESPN.com”
Oh right, another firesale right?
Schefter’s just upset that Al hasn’t done anything newsworthy yet this offseason.
Nnamdi untradeable?
Meh.
Somebody would take him, contract and all.
It would be dumb. Forget that CBs are a dime a dozen crap. When u come across a player of his talent, you hang on to him.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 am
Bruce is a 6th/7th RD pick, was released by 2 or 3 teams, but he should be out starter!
I like Bruce as a backup, but I don’t think Bruce will be a solid starter.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:07 am
Half the field is taken away by Nnamdi. They don’t throw his way. Even if he is not as good as I may think. They still don’t throw to his side. I don’t think corners are a dime a dozen either.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:09 am
Add a few peices.
Aso is the heart and soul of the team.
Lets build and not REbuild.
Schefter’s full of schit.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 am
Yeah, I don’t buy any talk of Nnamdi being untradeable. I’m sure there are plenty of teams that would be interested.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:12 am
Trade Nnamdi for a 1st and a DT.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:12 am
players with trade value:
Nnamdi Asomugha
Tyvon Branch
Michael Bush
Jon Condo
Robert Gallery
Mario Henderson
Thomas Howard
Michael Huff
Sebastian Janikowski
Shane Lechler
Darren McFadden
Zach Miller
Mike Mitchell
Kirk Morrison
Louis Murphy
Chaz Schilens
Trevor Scott
Richard Seymour
Matt Shaughnessy
this doesn’t take into consideration the players pay or free agent status.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:13 am
Not Nnamdi! I just bought his jersey last season.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 am
We can get a lot for Nnamdi:
- 2 1st RD picks
- 1st RD pick and a good player: LB, DT, or a QB.
- PB player and a draft pick.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 am
When is the deadline to put a tag on a player? I have a feeling Seymour will be tagged
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:19 am
DB’s left if Nnamdi is traded.
CJ
Holland
possibly Routt
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:20 am
I think its this Thursday.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am
I would see if the Eagles were interested in Nnamdi. I would trade Nnamdi for # 5 and a 1st/ 2nd.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:22 am
DMAC: here are the available cornerbacks in FA
Leigh Bodden
Dunta Robinson
Carlos Rogers (RFA)
Richard Marshall (RFA)
Tramon Williams (RFA)
Dre’ Bly, San Francisco 49ers (33)
Ralph Brown, Arizona Cardinals (31)
Roderick Hood, Cleveland Browns (28)
Nick Harper, Tennessee Titans (35)
Walt Harris, San Francisco 49ers (36)
Anthony Henry, Detroit Lions (33)
Ken Lucas, Seattle Seahawks (31)
Deshea Townsend, Pittsburgh Steelers (34)
Fabian Washington, Baltimore Ravens (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Usama Young, New Orleans Saints (25) – Restricted FA
Kevin Dockery, New York Giants (26) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Brent Grimes, Atlanta Falcons (27) – Restricted FA
Ellis Hobbs, Philadelphia Eagles (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Karl Paymah, Minnesota Vikings (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Marlin Jackson, Indianapolis Colts (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Tim Jennings, Indianapolis Colts (27) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
Alan Ball, Dallas Cowboys (25) – Restricted FA
Will Blackmon, Green Bay Packers (25) – Restricted FA (UFA-CBA)
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 am
Not a very good list IMO.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:23 am
SD_Raider_619
its Wednesday or Thursday..
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am
Any stud OT that are worth the number 8 pick? or is McClain the pick for the Raiders?? Please dont say CB lmao. We wont be able to get the top 2 DT, but we need to build the Damn OLINE and stop the run of course
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am
I would trade Nnamdi and TK, and Cut Warren, Walker, and Cooper.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am
Guys like Ken Lucas, Anthony Henry, Leigh Bodden & Dunta Robinson look like Pro Bowlers with a solid pass rush and a defense that can stop the run …
Ellis Hobbs, Carlos Rogers, Richard Marshall and Marlin Jackson too.
plus we still have CJ, Routt (who everybody says plays better on the outside anyways) and Huff can play nickel corner
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:26 am
Thanks 408 Raider
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:27 am
Thursday is the deadline for seymour.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 am
I’ll take McClain over any OT in the 1st RD.
I like Spoon a lot, 8 is too high, and I don’t think he will fall to the 2nd RD.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:30 am
Round 1 -
Ndamukong Suh (DT Nebraska)
Gerald McCoy (DT Oklahoma)
Dan Williams (DT Tennessee)
Brian Price (DT UCLA)
Round 2 –
Terrence Cody (DT Alabama)
Lamarr Houston (DT Texas)
SD_Raider_619: we should be targeting one of these beasts IMO …
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
Not only does Nnamdi take away one side of the field for the QB, he can tackle RB’s coming to his side. He’s to valuable to trade unless we’re packaging Russell with him for a proven QB, starter at DT, MLB or corner and D or O lineman.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
According to profootbaltalk all top four teams want to trade down!!! WTH man
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
CJ???
Gets beat, waaaaaaaaaaaay too many times. I truly believe he’s underachieved. Got his contract and hasn’t been the same.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:34 am
Thanks for the info guys,I dont watch college football so i dont know nada until the combine and crap i read about the players coming out. So we can get a decent OT to help our line next year in the 2nd round??
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:35 am
SD_Raider_619 Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:31 am
According to profootbaltalk all top four teams want to trade down!!! WTH man
Teams are geting sick of payin 20-30 mil for rooks/ playwers that don’t usually help until year 3 if they eve nturn out to be good.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 am
yeap carl, look at Jawalrus LMAO
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 am
Until they get a better salary structure for rookies teams don’t want to put huge money out anymore on maybe’s. They want a for sure thing like Seymour or Peppers. It’s too expensive for what if’s.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:36 am
Russell Okung (OT Oklahoma State)
Anthony Davis (OT Rutgers)
Bruce Campbell (OT Maryland)
Bryan Bulaga (OT Iowa)
Trent Williams (OT Oklahoma)
Mike Iupati (OG Idaho)
Charles Brown (OT USC)
SD_Raider_619: who do you want ???
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:37 am
Al will never trade down in the 1st. He thinks you should go after your player and ignore the board.
Too bad!! We can add more picks and still get our guys.
DHB was rated as the 6th best WR by most boards behind Crab, Maclin, PH, Nicks, and K Britt. We could have drafted him in the 2nd or at the end of 1st.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:38 am
Maybe we can find a true LT in the 1st round and kick Henderson to RT, is the a possibility with this year draft?
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:40 am
He’s to valuable to trade unless we’re packaging Russell with him for a proven QB, starter at DT, MLB or corner and D or O lineman.
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would you trade JaMarcus & Nnamdi to Cleveland for Brady Quinn, Joe Thomas and Shaun Rogers ???
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 am
RaiderRockstar i will do the trade in a heart beat. call Davis right now!!!!!1
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 am
I like Mike M, but he wasn’t going to be drafted in the 2nd by another team. We could have drafted him in the 3rd. Matt S was injured his last year at college, and we could have drafted him in the 4th RD. Norris was a DE at 240 pounds, and we could have drafted him in the 6th. We Reached on everyone except L Murphy and the TE!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 am
then trade brady quinn for a bag of chips lmao
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:43 am
would you trade JaMarcus & Nnamdi to the Rams for Alex Barron, Chris Long and Clifton Ryan ???
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:44 am
Al davis should not be allowed to have 1st or 2nd round picks. NFL give him a bunch of 3rd or 4th round picks. Except Miller in teh 2nd round.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:45 am
hmmmmmm????
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:46 am
I enjoy reading this blog, It definetley makes me laugh. Some fans on this blog remind me of WWE fans, one day Jamarcus is the “hero” the next day he is the “heel”. Consistent some of you are not. (that was a quote from Yoda in Star Wars episode VII: Al’s empire stikes back)
I guess I understand during the slow part of the off season there is only so much to talk about.
I figure I’m going to do what I have been doing, which is being a loyal Raider fan who does not believe in Jamarcus.I would be happy as a pig in sheet if by some miracle Russell’s potential was lived up to. I’ll take a Raider victory any day over being right/wrong on #2’s capabilities.
Is free Agency here yet!?!??!
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:46 am
I dont like that trade RR.
Big baby is always crying about something, Quinn can’t pass & has a noodle arm, but Joe is a Stud.
I would trade them to the Eagles for a QB, CB, and an OT.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:47 am
I passed on that trade RaiderRockstar
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:50 am
would you trade JaMarcus & Nnamdi to the Bills for Trent Edwards, Marcus Stroud and Marshawn Lynch?
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:50 am
I be the first to say i was happy when we took Jamarcus Rusell as the number 1 pick. I thought he had a lot of potential, big frame like big ben hard to take down but i was way wrong. and Cannon arm (which i have not seen, i think Grad throws the same distance) but no accuracy.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:51 am
I know Raider fans would be pumped going into “beast mode” aka Lynch
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:51 am
Yes RR but we have to be trading Fargas for a pick or DB
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:52 am
No at the cost of losing Nnamdi though
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:53 am
*not
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 am
we have to be trading Fargas for a pick or DB
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Fargas has no trade value SD …
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 am
well, let me put it this way …
Justin Fargas has the same amount of trade value as Sam Williams.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 am
Some dip caca in raiderfans.net said we were getting stroud last year, do any of you remember that??. Come he fargas is at least a 5th round pick or 6th and Davis can do wonder with those type of picks.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
Eagles release Brian Westbrook.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
Are you saying Sam Williams has no trade value?!!??! He’s one of Al’s favorite scholarship players, any other GM would be lucky to Have Sam Williams in there team!
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
Fargas has some miles on him but he had better production then DMAC last year when it came to running the ball at least and thats some sad stats to look at by the way.
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
408 are you joking?
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:59 am
SD, thay’s not saying much
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 am
Dmac will have Reggie Bush stats this year
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:00 am
Sam williams is horrible, a waste of a 3rd round pick. He has 1 career sack and he has been in the league since 2003 LMAO
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 am
He’s lucky to be in the NFL period
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:02 am
SD_Raider_619: I don’t think teams would give the Raiders a 5th or 6th Round pick for 30 year old injury prone Fargas when they can get guys like Tomlinson, Leon Washington, Chester Taylor, Willie Parker, Kevin Faulk or Adrian Peterson (Bears) in free agency without giving up ANY draft picks …
plus you know there are other restricted free agent RB’s who won’t be tendered.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:02 am
I am a DMAC fan but he needs to work on those chicken legs that foo goes down so fast.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:03 am
You are right RR but fargas is way cheaper then any of those guys. We are going through a recession remember lmao cheaper is better j/k
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:04 am
Not so sure those lege are going to get any bigger, But there are other things he can work on to not go down so easily. He should also talk to Tiki about correcting his fumbling issues.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:05 am
restricted free agent RB’s :
Pierre Thomas
Ronnie Brown
Jerome Harrison
Darren Sproles
LeRon McClain
Cadillac Williams
Mike Bell
LenDale White
Jerious Norwood
Kenneth Darby
Kolby Smith
Jason Snelling
DeShawn Wynn
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:07 am
How about gettin a new RB and WR coach? no one has talked about that all, damn Rathman come back. Does anyone know if bush and dmac fumbled more this year then before?? technique maybe?
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:08 am
Crockett-RB coach
J.Rice-Wr coach
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am
Rathman was an asset
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:09 am
Yeah, I’m surprised Zack isn’t on the coaching staff yet.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 am
hell yeah HB. Does anyone recall an interview with Jerry Rice during trainin camp sayin he had a big announcement that it will come later wth was that all about?
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 am
I know he helps with recruiting
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 am
hairy bush no im not..
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 am
All i know mr 7eleven needs to go because he cant coach no wideouts at all
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:11 am
I do remember that, dont want to get my hopes up but would be nice.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am
Those type of things piss me off bout the raiders always a mistery for everything. the same way Al said he was talkin to someone to help him thats a native of the bay, WTF man lmao. Sorry frustration for the past 7 years. I put up with it everyday, been from Daygo lmao
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:13 am
How about gettin a new RB and WR coach? no one has talked about that all
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I have mentioned that SD, but it’s been several weeks. Kelly Skipper & Sanjay Lal need to be replaced. ST Coach John Fassel too …
I was hoping we’d make a run for ex-bills ST Coach Bobby April, but the Eagles grabbed him rather quickly.
Ted Tollner (Passing Game Coordinator) isn’t needed in that role any longer with the hire of OC Hue Jackson so he should coach the WR’s
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:14 am
408 Im surpised, sounded like he was still in there gameplan for next year. What do I know anyways?
He is quite versatile, just not sure we have room for him.
I do believe he would help J.R a lot with picking up blitzes and being available to dump the ball of to. just wishful thinking.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am
hire Tyrone Willingham as RB Coach!
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 7:27 am
would the 49ers trade Alex Smith for JaMarcus Russell?
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In a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am
Thanks RR, i totally forgot about ST, after brian schneider to USC the raiders have been horrible in ST
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:17 am
I don’t want another RB, unless it’s Marshawn Lynch or Ryan Mathews.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 am
brian schneider is going to seattle now!!!! damn
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:18 am
I wouldn’t trade Jruss and Nanamdi for any of those scenarios.
I would trade them for TJackson, KWilliams & Cedric Griffin.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:19 am
It seems like every time the Raiders have a strenght one year, the next year it is not. (majoritly anyways)
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:20 am
lol @ mr. 7-11
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:21 am
I would trade Aso and Jruss for Wilfork and bag of chips for Jruss of course lmao
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 am
I agree with you 100% HairyBush!!!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 am
In a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!
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Really Debo?
Alex Smith: 2350 yards, 18 TD’s, 12 INT, 60.5 comp percent, 81.5 QB Rating, 2 fumbles (1 lost)
JaMarcus Russell: 1287 yards, 3 TD’s, 11 INT, 48.8 comp percent, 50 QB Rating, 9 fumbles (6 lost)
then pull the trigger like yestaday!!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 am
Hairybush, it seems like we really suck in a certain area one year and then the next year, we still suck! See~QB play, Stopping the run, WR play, protecting the QB etc.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:27 am
I would trade Aso and Jruss for Wilfork and bag of chips for Jruss of course
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we could probably trade Nnamdi to New England for Wilfork and some change, but they wouldn’t have any part of Russell with Tom Brady at the helm …
plenty of times tagged players get traded for a 1st & 3rd. or an awesome player for two 1st rounders
In this case though I’d trade Nnamdi for Wilfork & a 2nd!
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:28 am
RR can we just give them Rusell then for free lmao, i was jokin about the trade because Rusell and Aso have huge contracts
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 am
In a heartbeat!!!!!!!!!!!
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Really Debo?
Alex Smith: 2350 yards, 18 TD’s, 12 INT, 60.5 comp percent, 81.5 QB Rating, 2 fumbles (1 lost)
JaMarcus Russell: 1287 yards, 3 TD’s, 11 INT, 48.8 comp percent, 50 QB Rating, 9 fumbles (6 lost)
then pull the trigger like yestaday!!!!
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Rockstar, I think you’re probably a pretty cool dude. But it appears you’re also one of those guys that thinks any and all football arguments can be made with stats. Mike Tomlin said it best: Stats are for losers. I could never understand why Alex Smith was drafted No. 1 overall in the 1st place. And to think they could have drafted Rodgers instead. Screw stats. Did you see the Monday night game between the Bears and the 49rs? That’s all I needed to see. Smith sucks!
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:31 am
I would trade them for TJackson, KWilliams & Cedric Griffin.
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T-Jax is already a restricted free agent. they can’t trade him unless they offer him a tender and he signs it first.
do you want Sage Rosenfels instead?
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 am
Did you see the Monday night game between the Bears and the 49rs? That’s all I needed to see. Smith sucks!
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Russell sucks too!
at least 2010 is the last year of Smith’s contract and he’s only going to make $4 million.
Russell has 3 years left and is scheduled to make over $9 million this year!
if the 49ers were dumb enough to make that trade 90 percent of Raider Nation or better would celebrate
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:39 am
Alex Smith was thrown into the fire as a rookie.
Aaron Rodgers sat on the bench for 3 years behind future Hall-of-Fame QB Brett Favre. Didn’t start a game until his 4th NFL season!
you don’t think that makes a difference?
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:44 am
Determined to get himself into better shape this off-season, JaMarcus Russell boards his private jet and flees across the pond to Gdansk and checks himself into the world famous Sebastian Janokowski Fitness Clinic.
Upon seeing the owner of the establishment Jamarcus mumbles “Hey.”
SeaBass looks him over and asks, “Who are you?”
Russell, “Your QB.”
SeaBass, “I didn’t think we had any QBs.”
So, after rigorous workouts consisting mostly of learning how to say things like “barbell” and “bench” in Polish, and extensive efforts at the sausage and potato-laden dining table, JaMarcus is satisfied that he has done his best off-season work thus far.
Back he climbs into his private jet and heads for home and his own “passing camp” (the passing of time between meals is not as effortless as it seems what with all the jewelry to buy and girls to see.)
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:47 am
Alex Smith also had 5 different OC’s in his 5 seasons with the 49ers!
2005: McCarthy
2006: Turner
2007: Hostler
2008: Martz
2009: Raye
Packers OC Joe Philbin has been with the team since 2003 (2 years before Rodgers was even drafted)
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:53 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:35 am
Did you see the Monday night game between the Bears and the 49rs? That’s all I needed to see. Smith sucks!
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Russell sucks too!
at least 2010 is the last year of Smith’s contract and he’s only going to make $4 million.
Russell has 3 years left and is scheduled to make over $9 million this year!
if the 49ers were dumb enough to make that trade 90 percent of Raider Nation or better would celebrate
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Let me put it to you this way Rockstar. I’ve watched both of these guys play. Both have played with inferior supporting casts. I like Russell better. When has AS ever led his team on a game-winning/tying drive in the fourth qtr? I saw JR do it three time THIS season. Against KC, he enigineered a game-winning drive with Murphy, DHB and Todd Watkins as his wideouts. Todd Watkins!!! I don’t care what his stats are. He could stand to work harder, but I believe his poor stats have more to do with his supporting cast. You will never see any QB elevate an poor supporting cast. Brady, Montana, Bradshaw, etc. None of them have done it. Hell, the Patriots won 11 games with a guy that never started a game in college. That tells you how important the supporting cast is to the QB’s success. Al is working on that. And I’ve never ever said the supporting cast isn’t a hindrance to Grads or Frye as well. While both showed flashes, just as JR has, both of them sucked too. The difference is that neither of them have a starting QB’s stature so they couldn’t even stay healthy. Bottom line is that until we upgrade the talent around him, I refuse to throw the face of the franchise under the bus.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 am
I think we have run the gammet on offensive coordinators here with Jamarcus too. continuity and cosistency. Let’s fire the whole lot. I laugh everytime I read that.
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 am
There is hope:
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/messages/chrono/20172284
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 am
Vegas
Please.. Like big Al called Adam Schefter and told em..
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:58 am
Russell is going into his 4th season with his 4th different play caller as well.
Kiffin, Knapp, Cable and now Jackson
not the best way to develop your franchise QB imo
neither is having Carlisle & Green start on the right side of the o-line
neither is starting 2 rookie WR’s with the dropsies
neither is having McCown/Culpepper as “mentor types” during his rookie season
the list goes on & on. that is why I think he deserves a shot to earn the starting job back
key words there are “a shot” meaning fair competition and “earn” meaning re-gain the trust and respect from coaches, teammates and fans by his actions both on & off the field
February 23rd, 2010 at 11:59 am
Your not bursting my bubble 408
Bruuuuuuuuucceeeee!!!!!!!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
I hope the play caller and the playmaker both show up this year and they carry that over to the next season and so on and so forth. We need to develop our QB with some help from consistency and continuity. We won’t get better changing the system every year. It just doesn’t work. I agree with the comment about Cassell he shined in New England with that supporting cast but, in KC he looked like crap. I wonder why?
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Debo,
Just promise me you will stop hating on Bruce when he is starting week 1.
Deal?
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm
you read my mind Ghost to the Post. haha
I was just a little more long winded!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Vegas
Im in the minority. Im pulling 4 JaMarcus! Go Fatboy! Prove em wrong!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:05 pm
“Jerry McDonald, of ANG Newspapers, reports Oakland Raiders QBs JaMarcus Russell and Bruce Gradkowski are expected to split reps during offseason workouts and the start of training camp”
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WTF Jerry you give your scoop to Schefter and not your blog followers?
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:05 pm
G to the P,
Cassel still looked 20 times better than Russell with an inferior supporting cast last year!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:06 pm
3 cheers for a QB competition.
May the best man win
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Trade Huff, DMC, and TK for a good DT and a 2nd Pick.
Draft Ryan Matthews with the extra 2nd.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I’ve never ever said the supporting cast isn’t a hindrance to Grads or Frye as well. While both showed flashes, just as JR has, both of them sucked too. The difference is that neither of them have a starting QB’s stature so they couldn’t even stay healthy.
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Drew Brees is 6′0″ , 209 lbs
Bruce Gradkowski is 6′1″ , 220 lbs
Your QB doesn’t have to be 6′6″ , 280 lbs just to stay healthy!
If anything that’s considered unhealthy. LOL
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:12 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:05 pm
G to the P,
Cassel still looked 20 times better than Russell with an inferior supporting cast last year!
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Still not getting it, huh? Let’s try this. Even if your QB sucks, it won’t stop the team from winning if the supporting cast is very good. Mark Sanchez sucked. He threw 20 picks. 20! That’s as many as JR threw the last two seasons. But a wicked OL, No. 1 running game, No.1 defense and some veteran wideouts (Cotchery and Edwards) led this team to the playoffs. Our D sucks. We have a lousy OL and rookie wideouts. Who cares if someone might have had marginally better stats. The results will be the same. We’ve got to get that stuff fixed.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
JR & DHB have no trade Value.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I’ve never ever said the supporting cast isn’t a hindrance to Grads or Frye as well. While both showed flashes, just as JR has, both of them sucked too. The difference is that neither of them have a starting QB’s stature so they couldn’t even stay healthy.
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Drew Brees is 6′0″ , 209 lbs
Bruce Gradkowski is 6′1″ , 220 lbs
Your QB doesn’t have to be 6′6″ , 280 lbs just to stay healthy!
If anything that’s considered unhealthy. LOL
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LOL!! You just made my point for me. Would you rather have our OL and wide receivers or NO’s? Maybe if we had NO’s supporting cast on offense, Grads could have stayed healthy. Whoops, I forgot. If we have NO’s supporting cast, JR never gets benched.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Trade R Gallery too!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Still not getting it, huh? Let’s try this.
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Debo, I understand. Just don’t agree. big difference bro
see the above post #620 regarding Russell by yours truly. the situation he’s in isn’t ideal
I still think that young guys like Matthew Stafford, Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Matt Cassel and Trent Edwards played better than he did with a WORSE supporting cast
even the vet types past their prime like Bulger & Hasselbeck …
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Trade Cable!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Would you rather have our OL and wide receivers or NO’s? Maybe if we had NO’s supporting cast on offense, Grads could have stayed healthy. Whoops, I forgot. If we have NO’s supporting cast, JR never gets benched.
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how do you know that?
Is Russell’s supporting cast the reason he didn’t put the work in?
If we traded Russell for Brees straight up prior to last offseason he would have been benched in favor of Mark Brunell and we would have won the AFC West. PERIOD
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
shouldn’t Jerry be makin with the fix soon?
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
The Golden State Warriors “build” by trading away their best players every year.
The Raiders need to keep Nnamdi and add good players to the team, not subtract good players.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Players to target with the 2nd Round Pick:
DT Lamarr Houston
LB Sean Weatherspoon
DE Corey Wootton
LB/OLB Jerry Hughes
LB Darryl Washington
RB Toby Gerhart (if they trade Bush or Fargas for a pick)
DT Terrance Cody
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
I still think that young guys like Matthew Stafford, Josh Freeman, Jason Campbell, Matt Cassel and Trent Edwards played better than he did with a WORSE supporting cast
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Dude, it’s debateable whether those supporting casts are worse than ours and whether or not those players played better. But even if you’re right, where did any of those teams end up? When your team sucks, the QB’s stats will suck. At that point it’s just about who sucks the least. WHO CARES?????????????
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:09 pm
I’ve never ever said the supporting cast isn’t a hindrance to Grads or Frye as well. While both showed flashes, just as JR has, both of them sucked too. The difference is that neither of them have a starting QB’s stature so they couldn’t even stay healthy.
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Drew Brees is 6′0″ , 209 lbs
Bruce Gradkowski is 6′1″ , 220 lbs
Your QB doesn’t have to be 6′6″ , 280 lbs just to stay healthy!
If anything that’s considered unhealthy. LOL
^^^^^^^^
Hey…someone in here gets it!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Drew Brees was the best QB in the NFL last year and he’s smaller than Bruce.
Debo, please explain why stature should have anything to do with Russell staying and Gradkowski going. or which player starts even
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 pm
I don’t like the idea of Jerry Hughes as an OLB.
The guy played every single snap in college with his hand down as a DE, and was one of the best in the nation at it.
And now they want to change his position? Didn’t Denver do that with Dumervil until the decided to just let him rush the QB?
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:28 pm
I JUST WANT A WINNING SEASON OR AT LEAST 500 RECORD. I DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHO GETS THE JOB DONE.
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Would you rather have our OL and wide receivers or NO’s? Maybe if we had NO’s supporting cast on offense, Grads could have stayed healthy. Whoops, I forgot. If we have NO’s supporting cast, JR never gets benched.
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how do you know that?
Is Russell’s supporting cast the reason he didn’t put the work in?
If we traded Russell for Brees straight up prior to last offseason he would have been benched in favor of Mark Brunell and we would have won the AFC West. PERIOD
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Dude, are you serious????????????? You’re saying that with two rookie wideouts, the injuries to our OL and the garbage play of our defense and return teams that we win the AFC West just by plugging in Drew Brees? I am in a state of shock. Anyone want to tag in???
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:29 pm
I don’t believe Grads is anywhere near 220lbs.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Grads is a 65.5 career passer rating.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
WHO CARES?????????????
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you brought it up. I just proved you wrong.
don’t ask questions or make silly statements if you don’t want somebody on a blog to debate it with you
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Yep….
WE WAS GAAAAAAAAASHED!
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:33 pm
I don’t believe Grads is anywhere near 220lbs.
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KK,
look it up and get back to me …
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:34 pm
RR
No, I saw that a few weeks back. I just don’t believe it.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:35 pm
GAAAAAASHED I SAY
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Drew Brees and Peyton Manning, given a full offseason, would have ANY team in the NFL above .500, and probably in the playoffs.
The Colts, were dead last in 3rd down D, and 3rd worst run D. 2nd to last rushing offense, and 2nd lowest YPC. And what, the 3rd best record in the NFL in the regular season?
6th round pick at LT, who never started at LT (was TE in college) until this year. Undrafted, waiver-wire pickup at RG. 60% new O-line from year before. 2 young and inexperienced, and less talented, than our young WR’s amongst their 3 WR’s.
What happened? Went to the Super Bowl. They will change over their lines, still have a below average D, rotate in new skill players, and guess what? They will win 12 games again next year.
QB is the 1st, 2nd and 3rd most important position on the field, and just as important off the field.
February 23rd, 2010 at 12:39 pm
new post!
February 23rd, 2010 at 5:52 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 23rd, 2010 at 10:02 am
Nnamdi has the most trade value!
…and corners are dime a dozen with a good pass rush and run defense imo
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while zone corners are dime a dozen not many corners can play man like Asomugha. in fact we ought to be looking for another shutdown corner. Chris Johnson looks tired
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