Position group analysis: Running backs
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, February 24th, 2010 at 11:01 am in Oakland Raiders.
Second in a series evaluating Raiders’ position groups as staff and scouts visit Indianapolis starting today for the scouting combine:
Starters: RB Michael Bush, FB Gary Russell. Backups: RB Darren McFadden, RB Justin Fargas, FB Luke Lawton, FB Oren O’Neal, FB Marcel Reece.
Review: For the third straight year, there are rumblings of the Raiders dumping players, and it’s worth remembering neither of the previous two supposed fire sales came off as planned.
The problem?
Even if the Raiders want to make changes, it’s tough to do it with players who aren’t at the peak of production. Bush led Raiders rushers with 589 yards and a 4.8 average but never seems to have caught the fancy of coach Tom Cable. Privately, Bush’s propensity to remove himself when he’s on a roll, halting momentum, rubs the coaching staff the wrong way. For all his talent, Bush’s production is not liable to bring back much more than what they expended to get him _ a fourth round draft pick.
McFadden would be a considerable salary dump, but he’s been a huge disappointment and can be thankful JaMarcus Russell is around to overshadow two seasons which have approached bust status because of injury problems (turf toe as a rookie, arthroscopic knee surgery in second year) and an inability to break tackles as evidenced by a puny 3.4 yards per carry average. He looks to be a gifted receiver, but the Raiders passing game is so poor he’s yet to be fully exploited in that way.
As for Fargas, he’s entering the final year of his contract, missed the last two games because of injury, and for all his heart and leadership, no team is going to give up much for an used crash test dummy.
The rest of the position is populated with fullbacks _ Lawton is a restricted free agent still under suspension and it’s conceivable he’s out of the picture. O’Neal’s catastrophic knee injury as a rookie wasn’t sufficiently healed for him to be successful last year. He’ll need to show something this year. The Raiders don’t seem to know what they want to do with Reece, playing him at fullback, tight end and even wide receiver at the end of the season.
Russell is a tweener not big enough to be a big-blocking fullback, not nifty enough to be a fulltime runner.
Contract status: Russell is a fourth-year restricted free agent, Lawton is a third-year restricted free agent and also under suspension for the first two games of the 2010 season should he re-sign for violating the policy on performance enhancing drugs.
What’s next: No doubt Al Davis and new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson have had long conversations about how the Ravens made the most of Ray Rice, Willis McGahee and La’Ron McClain.
Baltimore rushed for 2,200 yards, (fifth in the NFL) a 4.7 yards per carry average and 22 touchdowns. The Raiders were 21st with 1,701 yards, a 4.1 average and an incomprehensibly low seven rushing touchdowns in 16 games.
And that was supposed to be their strength.
With Fargas near the end of the line, the Raiders must decide if McFadden and Bush can become the kind of 1-2 punch popular in today’s NFL. Or they could simply make Bush the lead ballcarrier and convert McFadden into a Ronnie Harmon-type receiver out of the backfield _ provided they upgrade their passing attack to take advantage of his skills.
The third option?
Go in a different direction, deal McFadden or Bush and bring in some new blood through the draft, free agency or trade.
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February 24th, 2010 at 11:05 am
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N21: the run defense was bad BEFORE Morrison was MLB too … for 3 years in fact
We haven’t had a real NT since 2002.
Sucked against the run every year since then.
see what i’m saying ???
They’ve been showing LT highlights on SportsCenter like crazy this week and most of them are against the Raiders. Most of the time he’s untouched until he gets to the DB’s! is that just Morrison’s fault? Is that even primarily KM’s fault? and what exactly is Morrison’s role? Most of the time under Rob Ryan he was floating back into coverage …
February 24th, 2010 at 11:09 am
Love the position topics Jerry….
GOOD JOB!
February 24th, 2010 at 11:12 am
If it isn’t Marshawn Lnych or Ryan Mathews. I don’t want another RB.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:15 am
If it isn’t Marshawn Lnych or Ryan Mathews. I don’t want another RB.
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tell me more about this Ryan Matthews kid …
February 24th, 2010 at 11:16 am
McSkinny has the smell of bust lingering around him. Well, it’s becoming more like a stench now that he’s going into his third season, but still, maybe he’s salvageable either by him doing a few power squats or just swallowing hard and putting him out on the corner and throw him the ball. I like Chaz and JLH and all, but who knows if Chaz can stay healthy and JLH . . . man, that first week hit he took must have really done some damage because he was missing in action for the most part after that. I really thought he’d come on this past year. Louis Murphy? Lets just hope he continues to develop and not take a step back.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:18 am
# KoolKell Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Doofus Boob
You know where I’m at, why don’t you come tell me what you think of me to my face???????? Hello?????
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rather disingenuous, isn’t it?
That’s a real estate office. With the exception of rotating office personnel, with one realtor on hand in the event of walk-ins, or calls, you don’t spend time in the Realtor’s office.
Most clients never see the realtor office, right?
Chances are slim to none of anyone showing up there, and finding you sitting there…right?
February 24th, 2010 at 11:21 am
I think we have above average RB’s.The O-line did show whats possible with these RB’s with a healthy and cohesive O-line.Yes we need to up-grade the O-line.Or even taking that Matthews kid everyone is so high on at 3a pick.
We gotta stop the run tho
February 24th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:04 am
N21: the run defense was bad BEFORE Morrison was MLB too … for 3 years in fact
We haven’t had a real NT since 2002.
Sucked against the run every year since then.
see what i’m saying ???
They’ve been showing LT highlights on SportsCenter like crazy this week and most of them are against the Raiders. Most of the time he’s untouched until he gets to the DB’s! is that just Morrison’s fault? Is that even primarily KM’s fault? and what exactly is Morrison’s role? Most of the time under Rob Ryan he was floating back into coverage …
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Pffft!
NT’s or DT’s are no excuse for Morrison’s piss poor tackling on an island, constantly getting wired to blockers, over pursuing the run, not minding his gap responsibilities and getting caught out of position, making horrible audibles that cost TDs and long runs ect ect.
Morrison sucks at MLB.
He and Howard were brought in to deal with Gates, Gonzales and who they thought Schefler was going to be.
That was of course assuming teams would eventually need to pass against us when our offense provided a lead.
Surely you can’t be suggesting we DON’T need an MLB?
Besides, Wilfork’s tagged and anyone can see with the draft of guys like Sedrick Ellis and Glen Dorsey rookie DT’s rarely have a massive impact right away despite paying them top 10-15 money.
Do we need better play from our D line. YES!
Is MLB mmore of a priority? YES…
February 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Ricochet = Joke. Solution? Ignore.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Jerry,
The “crash test dummy” phrase is getting hackneyed. Find some new material, or skip the cliches altogether.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:26 am
an incomprehensibly low seven rushing touchdowns in 16 games.
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No, it is easy to comprehend, it is called Fargas
February 24th, 2010 at 11:26 am
4evaRaider Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:21 am
I think we have above average RB’s.The O-line did show whats possible with these RB’s with a healthy and cohesive O-line.Yes we need to up-grade the O-line.Or even taking that Matthews kid everyone is so high on at 3a pick.
We gotta stop the run tho
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Get the offense to start putting points on the board for the D to defend and you’ll see the run game improve. we still need better personnel, but man, this crappy O the last few years ahas put alot of pressure on our pass rush / cover D.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:28 am
and Bush and Dmac
February 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I think everyone agrees that we need an upgrade at the MLB position. Do you guys think it should be adressed w/ the draft or in free agency? who????
February 24th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Theres no way they ditch DMC.
Improve the O line please and get a RUN BLOCKING FULLBACK!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am
How can you get rushing TDs when half your carries are given to a stumbling fumblesaurus?
February 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am
crister Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:16 am
McSkinny has the smell of bust lingering around him.
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Unfortunate, but true. McFumblor makes Jamarcus look like a future hall of famer.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
DMAC Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I think everyone agrees that we need an upgrade at the MLB position. Do you guys think it should be adressed w/ the draft or in free agency? who????
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Take McClain with the 8th overall…its a given the top 2 DT’s will be gone and besides, they rarely have a massive impact.
If Gerard McCoy’s still there, you at least have to look at him. He’s the better pass rusher compared to Ndamukong and by all indications, Suh will be gone by at least the 5th pick.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
DMAC Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I think everyone agrees that we need an upgrade at the MLB position. Do you guys think it should be adressed w/ the draft or in free agency? who????
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Upgrade through trading……..DMAC.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:31 am
How can you get rushing TDs when half your carries are given to a stumbling fumblesaurus?
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And your right side is Chris Morris at center, Cooper “Kitty” Carlisle at RG and Green at RT?!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:33 am
DMAC Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I think everyone agrees that we need an upgrade at the MLB position. Do you guys think it should be adressed w/ the draft or in free agency? who????
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Upgrade through trading……..DMAC.
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To……PHILADELPHIA…
February 24th, 2010 at 11:35 am
How did the O-line make DMAC fumble 3X more often than the other RBs?
February 24th, 2010 at 11:38 am
# DMAC Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:29 am
I think everyone agrees that we need an upgrade at the MLB position. Do you guys think it should be adressed w/ the draft or in free agency? who????
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McClain and Spikes are the two real good ILB’s in this draft. Some think that McClain would be better suited for a 3/4 ILB position, personally I think He would be fine at MLB. Spikes should have come out last year, he would have gone higher. Jamar Cheney might be a good option in the 3rd depending on what we do in the lst two rounds.
As far as free agent pickups, most of the good MLB’s are going to have 9+ years of playing ILB in the NFL. That’s the equivalent of having 7000 trains run over you. At that point, most guys are about done so free agency is not the way to go here I don’t think.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Whatever it takes BO. As long as the run D gets improved.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Nnamdi,
You’re right on about Morrison. I’ve always kind of been down on him, but it became crystal clear to me that he needed to be replaced two years ago in that Buffalo game on the road. We had them down by nine and backed up inside their 5-yard line late in the 3rd qtr. On 3rd and 7, Captain Checkdown checked down to Marshawn Lynch. Morrison had him lined up and even had the sideline as his friend. Lynch makes one little move, Morrison hits the ground, and Lynch barely picks up the 1st down. The rest is history. If we win that game, there’s a good chance Kiffin keeps his job at least for a few more games. Morrison is garbage.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Do we need better play from our D line. YES!
Is MLB mmore of a priority? YES…
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so Warren & Kelly simply need to “play better” , but Morrison needs to go ASAP?
I don’t agree. I think this is at least 100 % wrong
but you’re entitled to your opinion
McClain would look like a clown behind starting DT’s humpty & dumpty …
February 24th, 2010 at 11:43 am
McFumblor makes Jamarcus look like a future hall of famer.
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HAHAHAHAHAHA!
“JaMarcus” & “Hall of Fame” in the same sentence?
must be an early April Fools Joke!
February 24th, 2010 at 11:44 am
The only guy that I’ve seen shed block after block and make the tackle is Shuanessy.
GAMER.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Morrison is garbage.
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Debo: if Morrison is “garbage” what are Warren & Kelly?
and what is your boy JaMarcus?
February 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Seymore tagged.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/02/24/raiders-tag-seymour/
February 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Seymour tagged per PFT
February 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am
Got me DMAC
February 24th, 2010 at 11:52 am
-cut Gerard Warren.
-pay cut for Tommy Kelly.
-draft a NT, 8th overall. Williams or Price would be a nice fit
- scrap the prevent defense once and for all!
-score some points on offense
RUN DEFENSE SOLVED. you’re welcome
February 24th, 2010 at 11:55 am
sweet!
Dick Seymour will wear Silver & Black at least 1 more year
anybody think Al Davis will draft Derrick Morgan or Jason Pierre-Paul at #8 ???
Matt Shaughnessy is going to be a player IMO
February 24th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
The Detroit Lions are about 20 cards short of a full deck.
Concensus is that two DTs are the best players coming out of college.
So, give the Lions, who have no RBs at all, McFeeble and exchange #8 for #2 (maybe Detroit will throw in a mid-rounder as well).
Voila, Defensive tackle
I prefer O-linemen, but what the hey.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Morrison is garbage.
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Debo: if Morrison is “garbage” what are Warren & Kelly?
and what is your boy JaMarcus?
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I think Tommy Kelly is pretty good. To me ctiticism of him has been harsh. I think that contract he was given is a big reason for that, but I hope he stays on the roster.
I liked Warren twon years ago, but he rreally seemed to slip last year. If he’s still on the team, I hope it’s as a backup.
My man JR is “on the rise”. Im looking forward to seeing him shut up all the haters in the fan base and in the media in 2010.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Lets be real here, if the Raiders wanted to unload Bush they could have done it, they do not. The young safety Branch, the DE/OLB Scott, the young future Pro Bowl TE Miller and on and on I could go.
I am sure that all teams look at making the team better but this Fire Sale stick that comes from the same guy each year and that never comes about is garbage.
Do you really think that Al Davis would have went out and brought in Seymour if he felt that he had to start over. Do you really think he would have kept Cable if he was going to have a Fire Sale and start over.
You people like to knock Mr. Davis a bunch but when held up next to owners of so many teams like the Jets, Chargers and so many others and what his Raiders have done in the NFL next to those people. It is like trying to talk up some wash out claimer running at Golden Gate when discussing the great Man O War.
As for the drafting, laugh or not but it is much to early to say what DHB will turn out to be, lets not forget you people were running Nnamdi out of town as a bust his first few years with the Raiders and you now have him walking on water as you should.
I mean what other owner in the NFL has developed or stole more Hall of Fame Corners than the Raiders and Al Davis. Willie Brown stolen from Denver = HOF, Mike Haynes stolen from New England = HOF, Lester Hayes drafted as safety switched to corner = future HOF, Nnamdi drafted as safety turned into corner = future HOF. How many corners are in the HOF?
This will be a big year for D Mac but I do not think they used him as they should have, Hue should get the most out of him and we will see what he does this year.
Russell?, who knows, I still think IF HE WANTS IT BAD ENOUGH and that is a big if, wanting it and doing the work it takes, I still think he could be a very good QB. You ever put him behind a line like Gannon had I think the kid could kill ya.
The Raiders on the other hand have found a bunch of very good players in later rounds. I think this will be a big year with a strong MLBer needed and both lines needing work.
Fire sale?, I know Al Davis better than that. By all the moves he has made so far he does not show he thinks he has to start from scratch. The man knows that once he gets this team right and they start to thump other teams he can tell you all where to stick it.
Way, way to much talent on this team to start over, adding to it and getting them in the best position to win and play as a team is the trick.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
I like that plan Lonetree, as long as we don’t pick a DB at #2.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
BoSJack,
the deal is only for McCoy or Suh.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
Trade DMAC for a Michigan WIN!
February 24th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Trade DMc for a meal at the Wynn!
February 24th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
The two best FOOTBALL players in the draft are McCoy and Suh. Personally I like Suh. Mayock likes McCoy. NO WAY either of those guys are going to be near the 5th pick more or less the 8th.
What is interesting tho is this: teams need Q’s. Washington, Minn, Carolina, Arizona, St.Louis, Seattle, Cleveland, ALL should be looking to see if either Bradford or Claussen falls to number eight. Because Buffalo and Denver are picking right after us, and they both need Q’s this could get interesting.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Hell, trade DMAC for a Suckeye win. He’s dead to me. LOL.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Sorry M Lonetree, I don’ think we would do that deal, and I don’t think Detroit would do that deal. JMHO.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I’ll take a CAL win. I could care less for the Buckeyes.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Richochet.
Battle of Kruger video was AMAZING.
This blog can be a total waste of my time.
But that video was well worth me scrummaging thru various comments/post
thanks a lot my friend
February 24th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
California Golden Bear Rugby 2010
16 wins – 0 losses
points for – 879
points against – 46
big match today vs. archrival University of British Columbia
February 24th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
What’s next: No doubt Al Davis and new offensive coordinator Hue Jackson have had long conversations about how the Ravens made the most of Ray Rice, Willis McGahee and La’Ron McClain.
Baltimore rushed for 2,200 yards, (fifth in the NFL) a 4.7 yards per carry average and 22 touchdowns. The Raiders were 21st with 1,701 yards, a 4.1 average and an incomprehensibly low seven rushing touchdowns in 16 games.
And that was supposed to be their strength.
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Let’s quickly take a look at the Baltimore Ravens Starting Offensive line:
Matt Birk Center: signed as a FA off Minn roster. 6 time pro bowl center
Ben Grubbs Guard: lst round pick
Marshall Yanda Guard: Raven players think he is the toughest guy on the line
Jared Giather T: Ravens high on him
Michael Oher T: 23rd overall pick did not disappoint.
Now Us:
Rob Gallery: Very very solid player
That is all.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Richy Rich just got tagged
We knew this was coming so its no big deal
February 24th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
snnyjcbs Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Lets be real here, if the Raiders wanted to unload Bush they could have done it, they do not. The young safety Branch, the DE/OLB Scott, the young future Pro Bowl TE Miller and on and on I could go.
I am sure that all teams look at making the team better but this Fire Sale stick that comes from the same guy each year and that never comes about is garbage.
Do you really think that Al Davis would have went out and brought in Seymour if he felt that he had to start over. Do you really think he would have kept Cable if he was going to have a Fire Sale and start over.
You people like to knock Mr. Davis a bunch but when held up next to owners of so many teams like the Jets, Chargers and so many others and what his Raiders have done in the NFL next to those people. It is like trying to talk up some wash out claimer running at Golden Gate when discussing the great Man O War.
As for the drafting, laugh or not but it is much to early to say what DHB will turn out to be, lets not forget you people were running Nnamdi out of town as a bust his first few years with the Raiders and you now have him walking on water as you should.
I mean what other owner in the NFL has developed or stole more Hall of Fame Corners than the Raiders and Al Davis. Willie Brown stolen from Denver = HOF, Mike Haynes stolen from New England = HOF, Lester Hayes drafted as safety switched to corner = future HOF, Nnamdi drafted as safety turned into corner = future HOF. How many corners are in the HOF?
This will be a big year for D Mac but I do not think they used him as they should have, Hue should get the most out of him and we will see what he does this year.
Russell?, who knows, I still think IF HE WANTS IT BAD ENOUGH and that is a big if, wanting it and doing the work it takes, I still think he could be a very good QB. You ever put him behind a line like Gannon had I think the kid could kill ya.
The Raiders on the other hand have found a bunch of very good players in later rounds. I think this will be a big year with a strong MLBer needed and both lines needing work.
Fire sale?, I know Al Davis better than that. By all the moves he has made so far he does not show he thinks he has to start from scratch. The man knows that once he gets this team right and they start to thump other teams he can tell you all where to stick it.
Way, way to much talent on this team to start over, adding to it and getting them in the best position to win and play as a team is the trick.
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Very well said. To me, it’s the only way to look at it. In my opinion, the rebuilding really started in 2007 when we drafted JR and brought in Kiffin. It’s been rocky to say the least, but there have been highlights. Going into the 2007 season we were on a three-year skid in the AFC West. We broke it that year and now we’ve got a QB that regulary beats two of them on the road and has us close to knocking off the top dog. And we now have two capable backups. If we’re close in the 4th qtr or we get the ball last with a chance to win, I feel confident. Al has put a lot into getting the skill players in place the last three years. Let’s see what he does with both lines this year. We’re very fortunate that this draft is very strong at OT and DT this year and we have extra picks. I think it’s moving in the right direction.
February 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
The DHB pick was really a head scratcher until this years draft. lst and foremost the Raiders wanted a guy who could stretch the field. They really wanted THAT guy. Then there is the typical Raider requirements: has to be big. Has to be unbeleivably fast. Not only was DHB the only guy in last years draft to fill those requirements, but he is also the only guy in THIS DRAFT to fill those requirements. There is no other 6′2″ 215 lber, who runs a 4.25 forty. Were there very good Olinemen in last years draft? There were. Are there good Olinemen in this years draft? Yes. When you think about it, it makes sense. Now the question is, can that kid develop?
February 24th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
The Detroit Lions are about 20 cards short of a full deck.
Concensus is that two DTs are the best players coming out of college.
So, give the Lions, who have no RBs at all, McFeeble and exchange #8 for #2 (maybe Detroit will throw in a mid-rounder as well).
Voila, Defensive tackle
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M:
the Lions have RB Kevin Smith (drafted in Round 3 of 2008)
Compare his first 2 seasons with McFaddens
February 24th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
The OSU > Mich > ND
Word!!
February 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Al has put a lot into getting the skill players in place the last three years. Let’s see what he does with both lines this year. We’re very fortunate that this draft is very strong at OT and DT this year and we have extra picks. I think it’s moving in the right direction.
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Glad to see Debo “gets it” even though JaWalrus doesn’t!
yippee!
February 24th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I think K Smith has an injury, and he may not recover. (I’m not sure)
February 24th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
He will recover, but not well enough to play in the NFL.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
regarding DHB:
“can that kid develop?”
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I think Hue Jackson & Ted Tollner can help this kid take his game to the next level. We also need a vet mentor type of WR on the roster who still has some left in the tank. Javon Walker is done in Oakland. WR Coach Sanjay Lal should be too!
Al Davis seems to think you can teach hands, but not speed. We’ll see how that works out the next 2-3 years
February 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Everybody on this blog knows I’m a huge Mike Huff supporter, but if we could use him as trade bait to move up from #8 to #2 and grab a NT I would do it.
Mike Mitchell will eventually be a starter at safety anyways and this is the final year of Huff’s contract.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
O:
Lions offensive coordinator Scott Linehan said he expects Kevin Smith (ACL, shoulder surgeries) to be back for the start of next season. …
-Roto World
February 24th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Patriots bring back veteran WR David Patten.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
RR,
I’m talking about his knee injury.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Lions already have Louis Delmas, Ko Simpson & Daniel Bullocks at safety.
Nevermind.
Trade Nnamdi Asomugha for Calvin Johnson and a swap of 1st rounders in April.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
Knee reconstruction.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
I’m talking about his knee injury.
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so am I. torn ACL (knee)
Lions say he’ll back healthy by Week 1
plus they still have Maurice Morris & Aaron Brown to split reps in preseason games
February 24th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
RR no one is trading Nnamdi not ever!
You don’t draft a guy put three or four years into developing him then pay him 45 million dollars only to trade him away.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
DMAC or Bush for Marshawn Lnych.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
I missed the ACL part. (selective reading) lol
February 24th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
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February 24th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
no one is trading Nnamdi not ever!
You don’t draft a guy put three or four years into developing him then pay him 45 million dollars only to trade him away.
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Luci, in case you missed it … Nnamdi is currently on the trade block as we speak (this was reported about 2 days ago)
February 24th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Lions already have Louis Delmas, Ko Simpson & Daniel Bullocks at safety.
Nevermind.
Trade Nnamdi Asomugha for Calvin Johnson and a swap of 1st rounders in April.
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Are you serious? Simpson and Bullocks both suck. They should be falling over themselves to get Huff. I want to keep him though. The real laugher is to think they would swap places with us to take Nnamdi off our hands for CJ. We would be lucky as hell to get that trade straight up.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Everybody on this blog knows I’m a huge Mike Huff supporter, but if we could use him as trade bait to move up from #8 to #2 and grab a NT I would do it.
Mike Mitchell will eventually be a starter at safety anyways and this is the final year of Huff’s contract.
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Mitchell is more of a SS type. Huff is more a FS. The Raiders claim their safeties are interchangeable, but the personnel would suggest otherwise. One thing that might be interesting is how well Tyvon Branch developed this year as both a coverage guy and run defender. They might be thinking of shifting Branch to corner and letting Nnamdi go.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
WTF is the [...] Read more. [...] BS??????????????????
February 24th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
snnyjcbs,
Here here.
Fire sale?
Please. Al has got this team put together quite nicely if you really think about it.
Even if you didn’t change one thing other than starting QB, it’s a .500 team, maybe a playoff team.
The run defense is poor, but if you think about it, how many offensive drives did we sustain? How many rushing yards did we get? How good were we on third down (offensively)? When was most of the opponents yardage gained?
A game manager at QB and our running back trio (used properly) = better defense.
And we will only get better this offseason.
Let Old Man Al do his thing. It’s been bad the last 7 years and most of the last 15, but I think he’s moving in the right direction.
Realized he didn’t need a spending spree in 09 offseason.
Realized he needed Seymour – made the trade.
Realized he needed to bench JaMarcus.
Realized he needed to bench DHB (don’t fool yourselves, he was healthy enough to play the last 2 – 3 weeks of the season).
He did keep Nick Miller on the roster too long. He didn’t bench JaMarcus quickly enough. He didn’t allow Marshall to maintain his defensive schemes as the coordinator wanted.
But I still feel better about this team now than I did in the past.
The question mark is still JaMarcus. His stock is as low as ever and we all know how much Al loves a reclaimation project.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
a #1 WR and NT would certainly help this team more than a shutdown corner.
a shutdown corner is worthless if you can’t stop the run and have no pass rush
“but he shuts down 1/2 of the field” who cares ???
teams can run 3 WR sets or double TE sets. They can throw it to RB’s. Our pass defense isn’t that great even with N21. QB’s are smart enough to avoid him and find the open man. Remember Kerry Collins lighting up Champ Bailey? Remember Peyton Manning lighting up Darrell Revis? Nnamdi is great, but he isn’t perfect. Tony Gonzalez abused him in 08 and Miles Austin abused him in 09.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
# mack-madden Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Richochet.
Battle of Kruger video was AMAZING.
This blog can be a total waste of my time.
But that video was well worth me scrummaging thru various comments/post
thanks a lot my friend
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My pleasure.
If you run across the Discovery Channel Caught on Safari:Battle of Kruger, well worth it.
They point out things missed, such as the lions moving into position, and the fact that it was one bull, and one bull only, that repeatedly attacked the lions, freeing the calf.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
RR if you are referring to the PFT article you should read a little closer….for the last two years Adam Shefter has reported a fire sale in the Raiders camp and we all know that no one significant has left or been traded.
Its a ruse by Shefter to fill an empty reporting day read between the lines.
Like I said no way Nnamdi goes anywhere or Seymour or Lechler or Janiowski or Miller…etc.
People like Huff Morrison Bush and Howard are always on the block but no one will offer anything significant so it never happens.
Each year at this time every team reevaluates their talent and is open to trade talk…were you seriously duped like a Sheep by a Bronco fan?
I can provide the link to show you if your still mired in Sheepland!
February 24th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
One thing that might be interesting is how well Tyvon Branch developed this year as both a coverage guy and run defender. They might be thinking of shifting Branch to corner and letting Nnamdi go.
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I’d move Branch to FS and give Mitch the SS job if Huff daddy gets traded. I’m not sold on MM’s cover skills, but I think Tyvon could be like a Brian Dawkins type of FS!
who knows? TB did play mostly corner at UConn
February 24th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
Luci, like him or not Adam Schefter is a pretty good source of information
February 24th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
WOW. An orca leapt out of the water, snatched and killed a trainer at seaworld.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/os-seaworld-orlando-shamu-injury-20100224,0,5560011.story
February 24th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
i read some of this stuff and i just shake my head…
there are about a dozen guys on the roster that are emminently tradeable…
but they are not trade bait…
those dozen guys each make less than a million a year…
and each of them perform…
those guys stay…
the guys that are trade bait are guys that are making big money…
February 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
The DHB pick was really a head scratcher until this years draft. lst and foremost the Raiders wanted a guy who could stretch the field. They really wanted THAT guy. Then there is the typical Raider requirements: has to be big. Has to be unbeleivably fast. Not only was DHB the only guy in last years draft to fill those requirements, but he is also the only guy in THIS DRAFT to fill those requirements. There is no other 6′2″ 215 lber, who runs a 4.25 forty. Were there very good Olinemen in last years draft? There were. Are there good Olinemen in this years draft? Yes. When you think about it, it makes sense. Now the question is, can that kid develop?
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No, MORON, when you think about it, it DOESN’T MAKE SENSE..fool.
Bey SUCKED in college.
His knock was he’s fast but CAN’T HOLD ONTO THE BALL. That he bobbles easy passes..that he hears footsteps, and shortarms balls, that he doesn’t run good routes.
In the NFL? CAN’T HOLD ONTO THE BALL…bobbles easy passes, or DROPS THEM, and in 11 games….11 GAMES HE HAS 9 COMPLETIONS.
Only makes sense to idiots…right, idiot?
NO ONE HAD BEY SLATED BEFORE THE END OF THE FIRST ROUND..many believed he was a 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Good one, Oakglen…dumbass
February 24th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
One thing that might be interesting is how well Tyvon Branch developed this year as both a coverage guy and run defender. They might be thinking of shifting Branch to corner and letting Nnamdi go.
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I’d move Branch to FS and give Mitch the SS job if Huff daddy gets traded. I’m not sold on MM’s cover skills, but I think Tyvon could be like a Brian Dawkins type of FS!
who knows? TB did play mostly corner at UConn
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Did you see how many times the SS was in single coverage against TEs this season? Just watch the 1st game of the year. I like everyone right where they are. MM made a real impact as a situational player this year. No need to change that.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
BSJ,
did Amy Trask ask JaMarcus to take a paycut?
February 24th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Did you see how many times the SS was in single coverage against TEs this season?
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so you agree that MM has questionable (at best) cover skills ???
February 24th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
so you agree that MM has questionable (at best) cover skills ???
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The sample size is limited. But from what I’ve seen, yes I agree.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Richochet Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
No, MORON, when you think about it, it DOESN’T MAKE SENSE..fool.
Bey SUCKED in college.
His knock was he’s fast but CAN’T HOLD ONTO THE BALL.
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Hey Ass Much, you have NEVER gotten anything right. Bey didn’t suck in college, his Q did and EVERYONE drops the ball. Especially you. But then again, Donovan McNabb is the biggest Q in the league right? Now here someone posted something you should read
# Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Ricochet = Joke. Solution? Ignore.
Isn’t your little Mommies Group meeting right now? Go troll over there dikwad.
February 24th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Richochet Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
My pleasure.
If you run across the Discovery Channel
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Hey wacky it’s on right now. Just don’t forget to take your meds!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Quoting a PFT blogger on the Shefter Report that the Raiders are having a fire sale…
“i am so sick and tired of adam schefter’s lie’s, what makes him think he knows anything about the raiders? remember how there was going to be a meeting between al davis and tom cable that was going to take place the second monday after the season so he could fire him…. never happened, then remember how he said marc trestman, jim fassel, and harbaugh interviewed for the job and then all three of them denied it, remember how tom cable was never fired after schefter swearing for a month that his “inside sources” told him he would be fired. adam schefter is a no talent mud-slinger. he has no reputable sources close to the raiders what so ever. he’s just trying to down grade the raiders, something that they do themselves better than he ever could….. but what do u expect from a guy that was raised on donkey milk….
There is more I could use to show you that Shefter is NOT a viable news source when it comes to the Raiders if you like I can find it for you…
February 24th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
DHB in College:
One of the nation’s most explosive receivers during his three-year career … has good size and blazing speed … earned freshman All-America honors in 2006 and honorable mention All-America accolades in 2007 … a two-time All-ACC performer … two-time member (2007-08) of the Biletnikoff Award watch list … ranks second in school history in career receiving yards (2,089), third in receptions (138), tied for third in TD catches (13) and tied for sixth in 100-yard receiving games (4) … also 17th in Maryland history in career all-purpose yards (2,403) despite never returning a punt or kickoff … caught at least one pass in 34 of his last 37 career contests … posted 228 receiving yards in his three bowl-game appearances … one of the fastest players in the ACC … his 40 time of 4.23 in 2006 set the school record among WRs … surrendered his final year of eligibility to enter the 2009 NFL Draft … invited to the 2009 NFL Combine.
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Two time All ACC but wacky says he can’t catch. But hey what do Frank Beamer, Bobbby Bowden, Butch Davis, Frank Spaziani and Randy Shannon know? They probably have wacky on speed dial to get his opinion of incoming freshmen prospects. Wacky maybe you could take a knitting class or something. Football is just NOT your thing.
February 24th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
I think they are dangling some players. I am sure the coaches and some of the other players that want to win here realize we have a distinct culture of losing here. And some guys HAVE to go. Look at Randy Moss, Lamont Jordan, Derrick Burgess. What have those guys done? And they were supposed to be leaders here. Moss did well his lst year in NE, but it has been downhill ever since.
February 24th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Luci,
a few quotes from a PFT blogger make Adam Schefter a bad source for insider info?
do a few quotes from a Jerry Mac blogger make David White or Steve Corkran a bad source for insider info?
the answer to both questions is NO.
this dude may be a donk homer, but who cares? He doesn’t work for them anymore. He’s good at what he does. get over it
February 24th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
What have those guys done? And they were supposed to be leaders here. Moss did well his lst year in NE, but it has been downhill ever since.
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Can’t quite agree on Moss. He did set the record or TDs in a season by receivers and was the main reason NE set the league on fire and made the SB. Plus, that’s been a position of weakness ever since he was traded. Pretty good the last two years as well although you never know if he would ever have done that with us. Kiffin made sure we would never find out. But you’re right about the other guys. The Burgess trade is looking real good right now.
February 24th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
guard Mike Goff was released today.
dude was solid in Sandy Eggo as a 5 year starter.
may just have 1 or 2 years left in the tank like center Casey Wiegmann
any interest?
February 24th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Nnamdi,
You’re right on about Morrison. I’ve always kind of been down on him, but it became crystal clear to me that he needed to be replaced two years ago in that Buffalo game on the road. We had them down by nine and backed up inside their 5-yard line late in the 3rd qtr. On 3rd and 7, Captain Checkdown checked down to Marshawn Lynch. Morrison had him lined up and even had the sideline as his friend. Lynch makes one little move, Morrison hits the ground, and Lynch barely picks up the 1st down. The rest is history. If we win that game, there’s a good chance Kiffin keeps his job at least for a few more games. Morrison is garbage.
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I know the exact play you’re talking about.
February 24th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Ryan Mathews is gonna be a beast! I hope we sign Antonio Pierce. He is a good MLB. He would be good upgrade to the backers. We could then draft OLB Sean Weatherspoon outta Mizzou. But I would almost rather draft RB Ryan Mathews in the 2nd. Sucks that all the UFA NT’s are getting. I’ve some mocks that have Cody falling to us in the 2nd
February 24th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
pretty funny most of you guys want to trade for Lynch and let Morrison walk because of 1 play. LOL
Morrison has been MLB for 4 years!
I’m gonna laugh if we do something stupid like draft McClain without addressing the real issue of NT.
you guys will be so excited until we finish as one of the bottom 5 teams against the run again for the 8th straight season …
February 24th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RR
He is not a good reporter I’m sorry to disagree with you.
One blogger does not make an opinion but when I see several NON Raider fans complain about him and his biased reporting constantly it makes you wonder if its not just us Raider fans who hate him.
Look at how many times he has reported things that did NOT happen vs how many times he reported thing that actually did happen. So stop sucking on Shefters Schlong and see him for what he is a HACK!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
mack-madden Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Richochet.
Battle of Kruger video was AMAZING.
This blog can be a total waste of my time.
But that video was well worth me scrummaging thru various comments/post
thanks a lot my friend
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Great how you’re catching these pehnomena at the peak of their freshness. Did you know Henry Ford built this thing called an a-u-t-o-m-o-b-i-l-e?
Also a new fangly thing called the teley o phone or sumthing or other!
23 skidoo!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
As soon as the fire sale happens and a big name player is traded I will believe Shefter and I will suck your salty nutsack….that is how sure I am that there will be no such trades.
So when the draft is upon us and we still have NOT made the Adam Shefter reported trade you will be my beiotch for a week how about that for a bet?
February 24th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
pretty funny most of you guys want to trade for Lynch and let Morrison walk because of 1 play. LOL
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LOL! Please tell me when I said I wanted to get rid of him for 1 play. Dude, you sure know how to make the leap. Just cited 1 play where the guy couldn’t even keep his feet on what should have been a fairly routine open-field tackle. Believe me, there have been many others. He’s an inferior athlete at that position. What is your assessment of him as an open-field tackler?
February 24th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Look at how many times he has reported things that did NOT happen vs how many times he reported thing that actually did happen.
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I would ask you to do the same.
Remember when he reported that Art Shell would be fired?
the Raiders fired back and called him names or whatever.
2 days later Art Shell was fired … LOL
I got news for you. Darren McFadden grew up a donk fan too and it didn’t shy Al Davis away from drafting him, nor did it strain DMC’s enthusiasm to be an Oakland Raider.
Former donks on the CURRENT roster include Javon Walker, Cooper Carlisle, Erik Pears & Gerard Warren
point being: IT DOESN’T matter what his past affiliation with the donks was!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Richochet Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
No, MORON, when you think about it, it DOESN’T MAKE SENSE..fool.
Bey SUCKED in college.
His knock was he’s fast but CAN’T HOLD ONTO THE BALL.
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Hey Ass Much, you have NEVER gotten anything right. Bey didn’t suck in college, his Q did and EVERYONE drops the ball. Especially you. But then again, Donovan McNabb is the biggest Q in the league right? Now here someone posted something you should read
# Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Ricochet = Joke. Solution? Ignore.
Isn’t your little Mommies Group meeting right now? Go troll over there dikwad.
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YES!!!
Isn’t it funny how ugly Bish ochet gets right off the bat? All high and mighty talkin down to everybody and calling names like an 8th grade bully?
Seriously laughing my azz off over this sad joker. What a sad pathetic existance he must lead being so butt angry all the time. So sad the rest of the world doesn’t measure up to his widdle expectations!~
“May you live forever…”
February 24th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
pretty funny most of you guys want to trade for Lynch and let Morrison walk because of 1 play. LOL
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LOL! Please tell me when I said I wanted to get rid of him for 1 play. Dude, you sure know how to make the leap. Just cited 1 play where the guy couldn’t even keep his feet on what should have been a fairly routine open-field tackle. Believe me, there have been many others. He’s an inferior athlete at that position. What is your assessment of him as an open-field tackler?
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Needs to play Will or Sam or begone…had MORE than enough of his blown plays, over runs, audibles and missed tackles. NEXT!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
As soon as the fire sale happens and a big name player is traded I will believe Shefter
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Luci,
please grow up.
He reported players are available for trade. Just because guys are up for grabs doesn’t mean other teams are interested. You also have to consider their current contracts and the asking price from Al Davis.
He wanted two 1st rounders for Jerry Porter back in the day. LOL!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
RR
There is no fire sale and Nnamdi will never be traded which is what started this argument!
Regardless of who reported it its a lie because at this time of year all teams are willing to listen to trade talk. DUH!
Stop being such a sheep
February 24th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Debo: you think Morrison is garbage, but Russell will be a stud
I’m pretty sure every owner, gm, coach, player and NFL media rep will disagree with you on that.
I’m just gonna take whatever you say with a grain of salt. It’s pretty fun to watch though
February 24th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Regardless of who reported it its a lie because at this time of year all teams are willing to listen to trade talk. DUH!
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it’s a lie because every team has players they are willing to trade? LOL
please go on. continue
February 24th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Debo: you think Morrison is garbage, but Russell will be a stud
I’m pretty sure every owner, gm, coach, player and NFL media rep will disagree with you on that.
I’m just gonna take whatever you say with a grain of salt. It’s pretty fun to watch though
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Been taking everything you say with a grain of salt from the very beginning. When’s your birthday? I want to send you on a cruise with your man-crushes Grads, Morrison and Schefter. LOL!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
I have nothing more to say to you because your not that bright….your a sheep who is easily lead down a path of bull crap served up to you by the media.
So please do entertain the rest of us with your ability to read slanted anti-Raider articles and believe them!
February 24th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Morrison is garbage, but Russell will be a stud, right Debo?
please find an owner, gm, coach, player or NFL media rep who agrees …
February 24th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
5pm in Podunk. later gents!
February 24th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
I wouldn’t mind signing both Goff and Weigmann to 2-3 year deals. Weigmann could show Satele how agood ZBS center plays. Goff would be good upgrade over Carlisle. He could mentor the rookie guard we draft. I wouldn’t mind signing Westbrook to a 1 or 2 year deal to see how much he’s got left in the tank and also so that he coul work with our RBs, hopefully they can learn some things from Westbrook…..
February 24th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Lucifer-666 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
I have nothing more to say to you because your not that bright….your a sheep who is easily lead down a path of bull crap served up to you by the media.
So please do entertain the rest of us with your ability to read slanted anti-Raider articles and believe them!——–
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Luci, you sound just like that maniac Oakglen. Can’t take a difference of opinion with the juvenile vitriol.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
LT cryin like a little school girl, NEXT on bspn….
LO effin L!!!!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Richochet Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
No, MORON, when you think about it, it DOESN’T MAKE SENSE..fool.
Bey SUCKED in college.
His knock was he’s fast but CAN’T HOLD ONTO THE BALL.
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Hey Ass Much, you have NEVER gotten anything right. Bey didn’t suck in college, his Q did and EVERYONE drops the ball.
RICHOCHET: Wrong, crossposting tool. Bey did squat in college. AND HIS BIG KNOCK WAS HOLDING ONTO THE BALL..idiot.
You open mouth, insert foot. You got reamed regarding Steve Young, regarding Montana, regarding crabtree..pretty much regarding everything.
You remember, right?
Oakglen: “I guarantee that Crab won’t sign. That’s why Al passed on him. I guarantee you Bey will be a star in his first year. He’ll lead the league in yards, and receptions”.
You’re just an idiot.
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Especially you. But then again, Donovan McNabb is the biggest Q in the league right?
RICHOCHET: Dumbass..why would you say that? He’s not. Noone except YOU said he is. What I said is he’s a big qb. At 240, and one lb less than Ben, you’re a freaking moron for stating ‘he’s not even close to being big’…that’s because your fat couch sitting potato chip sucking ass likely rivals those rolls that JR has hanging over his belt.
Hey…moron…tell everyone again how that’s ONLY 10 LB’S OF EXTRA WEIGHT, lol…you fool.
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2008/05/16/sp_raiders_058_pc.jpg
February 24th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Morrison is garbage, but Russell will be a stud, right Debo?
please find an owner, gm, coach, player or NFL media rep who agrees …
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Here’s a player:
Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco has a well-earned reputation for speaking his mind. He said Thursday that benched Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell is a victim of his supporting cast. “Man, JaMarcus is extremely good,” Ochocinco said in a conference call with Bay Area media. “You have to remember, a quarterback can only be as good as his supporting cast. Case closed. Always. It will always be that way. Always.” Ochocinco said New England’s Tom Brady or Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning would be struggling just as much as Russell in Oakland’s offense, which is ranked 31st in terms of yards and points per game.
Source: The Oakland Tribune
February 24th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Krappy, you can’t take a difference of opinion without unleashing a colossal old man dump in your pajamas.
So how was that visit to the barbershop, you old coot? Did you fellas exchange links to your favorite Raider stats? Or, more importantly, did you remind them to go check out your state of the art broker web site?
You know, the one with that awesome picture of you next to your Swiss chalet.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Richochet Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
No, MORON, when you think about it, it DOESN’T MAKE SENSE..fool.
Bey SUCKED in college.
His knock was he’s fast but CAN’T HOLD ONTO THE BALL.
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Hey Ass Much, you have NEVER gotten anything right. Bey didn’t suck in college, his Q did and EVERYONE drops the ball. Especially you. But then again, Donovan McNabb is the biggest Q in the league right? Now here someone posted something you should read
# Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Ricochet = Joke. Solution? Ignore.
Isn’t your little Mommies Group meeting right now? Go troll over there dikwad.
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YES!!!
Isn’t it funny how ugly Bish ochet gets right off the bat? All high and mighty talkin down to everybody and calling names like an 8th grade bully?
Seriously laughing my azz off over this sad joker. What a sad pathetic existance he must lead being so butt angry all the time. So sad the rest of the world doesn’t measure up to his widdle expectations!~
“May you live forever…”
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Actually, what’s funny is your sorry inept ass begging everyone else to ignore me, while you follow me like a little puppy…or is that sheep?
Dude..not sure who’s more pathetic..you or oakglen. You both wait with baited breath for my ever utterance..you both live to read me..and you both state you can’t be bothered, waving your white flag, while proving you are bothered, and more..lol…
It’s like slapping around the idiot neighborhood kid, who keeps coming back for more, and considers a kick in the ass as “cool attention”.
Now..get back to crying on how Cable was such a big meany to your hero, JaMongoButtCheeks..
February 24th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
I own a piece of land there. Not a Chalet, as of yet, ok Beeych?
February 24th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Beechy? How’s that scat fetish of yours?
The Stank King…hey…if not for people like you?
The couldn’t actually call it a fetish, could they?
Now..quick..pretend you’re not a flea…with feeling, this time.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
post #100
nmandi21
what are you trying to get at?
I don’t care bout Henry ford or his cars.
I don’t care bout no phone except my iPhone.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Morrison is garbage, but Russell will be a stud, right Debo?
please find an owner, gm, coach, player or NFL media rep who agrees …
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Here’s what COACH Rob Ryan had to say about him before the Cleveland game. I’m sure after the game, he’s glad JR didn’t get in the game.
“The backup QB (Russell) is the one I thought would be a superstar by now,” Ryan said. “He had that 77 rating his rookie year. I’m a little surprised he hasn’t become the superstar. I’m kind of hoping he doesn’t get in the game. That kid can throw it through a storm. I think the young man’s a good kid.”
February 24th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
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YES!!!
Isn’t it funny how ugly Bish ochet gets right off the bat? All high and mighty talkin down to everybody and calling names like an 8th grade bully?
Seriously laughing my azz off over this sad joker. What a sad pathetic existance he must lead being so butt angry all the time. So sad the rest of the world doesn’t measure up to his widdle expectations!~
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Pumpkin?
Didn’t you listen to Mom?
Only YOU can make you feel inferior..no one else.
Only YOU can make you revere someone in a godly manner..no one else.
Only YOU can make yourself feel inadequate..no one else.
Repeat after me ‘I’m NOT a loser…I’m NOT..and I’ll stop feeling like one”.
Repeat every time you start to feel not worthy.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
There no NTs worth the 8th pick. I would support a trade down. There are very good DTs and OTs that will still on the board at 15-20 overall….
February 24th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Hmmmm
Will Al go after Daunta Robinson?
February 24th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Hey, it’s that little dude ricochet! Always a pleasure to have him begging – on his knees – for my attention and acceptance!
I really enjoy how the little guy is on a lifelong quest to become my #1 minion. Meaning he’s longing to serve and attend to my every wish like a little puppy.
More specifically, like a new born poodle. With an ever wagging tongue.
I’ve had him jumping through hoop after hoop – for my entertainment, of course – for months now and I’ll have him continue to do so until I feel he’s earned the title of Beeecham’s Minion.
Such a tiny little ricochet. Now jump. Roll over. Beg. Good doggy! Such a good little poodle!
February 24th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Two thing that never change here in Raider blog land Beeecham
1. UnKoolKell will defecate all over himself daily
2. The little retarded guy will try hard to fit in with the big dogs
February 24th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Krappy, what the hell are you waiting for? That chalet sure as hell ain’t gonna build itself.
What, you plan on showing off that picture of you on the hillside for the rest of your life?
Good Lord, Krap. I know financing can be difficult these days, but I’m sure you can at least get a grand or two for that “sweet” red sports car you drive around in parades.
That’s a down payment on a few bags of cement and a new windbreaker.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
I am having happiest non-sexual moment in life reading about LT crying like a girl about how he has 4 years left and how it’s Marty Schottenhiemers fault his carries have declined etc..
February 24th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Here’s a good quote my veteran personnel man Phil Savage. I think the hiring of Hue Jackson could be huge for us.
• The scheme
Savage pointed to this as one of the more intriguing realities about Russell’s struggles. He watches the Raiders, and while they take shots downfield, it doesn’t appear that they are running a “true” pro-style offense. Instead, he sees a coaching staff rooted in more of a West Coast timing system than a vertical scheme.
“Lane Kiffin was the coach at the time they drafted him, and they were running somewhat of a West Coast offense,” Savage said. “[Former offensive coordinator] Greg Knapp was a West Coast offense guy. Now [quarterback coach] Paul Hackett is there and he’s somewhat of a West Coast offense guy. You just wonder about the philosophies. The owner has a philosophy of stretching the field vertically, and yet the last couple coaches have been West Coast system coaches, where it’s based on timing and short to intermediate passes. If you were going to be a heavy play-action team and throwing the ball down the field and playing JaMarcus Russell in the shotgun a lot like they did at LSU, that’s a different situation than putting him in a system that requires so much discipline.”
February 24th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Excellent points, 666. But you forgot one -
3. Charged Down sulking under his official Stan Humphries comforter for a month after next year’s Charger 1st round playoff loss
February 24th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Isn’t it sad that we know this chit before Jerry does?
I wanna get paid to coach Little League and refresh PFT all day.
February 24th, 2010 at 3:56 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Hey Wacky-chit, have you read this?
The Psychopathic Troll:
The psychopathic troll is motivated to participate in an internet forum by psychotic delusions or compulsions, or by a neurotic seeking of false self esteem. The postings of the psychotic troll are unlikely to make any recognizable sense at all. The Neurotic Troll either seeks to obtain false self esteem by manipulating the reactions of others, or by demonstrating his “power” to destroy what others enjoy. The neurotic troll is often manipulative enough to make it past the initial moderation.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
hey Wacky_chit:
# Lucifer-666 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
The little retarded guy will try hard to fit in with the big dogs
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Senior Beeecham Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Hey, it’s that little dude ricochet! Always a pleasure to have him begging – on his knees – for my attention and acceptance!
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Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
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YES!!!
Isn’t it funny how ugly Bish ochet gets right off the bat? All high and mighty talkin down to everybody and calling names like an 8th grade bully?
Seriously laughing my azz off over this sad joker.
# Nnamdi21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Ricochet = Joke. Solution? Ignore.
Isn’t your little Mommies Group meeting right now? Go troll over there dikwad.
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Everyone is piling on wacky. Sucks to be you. But of course wacky was the dumb fat kid that got beat up at school everyday. Fortunately he has passed that tradition down to his own kids.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Hey KoolKell, wacky-chit, Oprah is on, isn’t it? You guys may want to go watch the Oprah show. More your styles.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Great point beeeecham
I was so excited about the demise of LT that I forgot about their fan base.
So whats the under over today on KK crapping his adult diapers?
February 24th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Seymour
The problem, is that Al Davis is putting together ANOTHER Roster!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
The Combine is in Indianapolis, Al Davis is in Alameda.
Is Al Davis the only GM not to get to the Combine?
February 24th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
I’m not sure if he’s wearing diapers, overalls, swim trunks or an old pair of greasy Dockers, but its a lock that old barnacle has crapped whatever’s wrapped around his hind quarters.
But what I’m more concerned about is all that precious Swiss land of his sitting around undeveloped.
Who knows if a flock of hill sheep have already gained ownership of it through adverse possession?
And we all know there is NO way Krappy could out duel a sheep lawyer in a foreign court of law.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Hey old man, Al isnt the GM,..hes the owner/billionaire,..get over it,..and you are the blog biitch,..lol,..sorry old man Im just keepin it real,..I still have that email you sent Jerry about me, that he forwarded to me,…lol…we still get a laugh out of that….thanks old troll kell.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
I predict LT will go to the Saints…anybody else?
February 24th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
I predict old troll kell will be cranky until he changes his diaper.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Krappy – Norco has a point about you giving Al a personal visit.
I’m sure you could park your hot red sport car that you drive around in parades in his parking spot and they’d probably let you into his office.
Then tomorrow, in the late afternoon when Al rolls into work, you can jump out nude from behind his desk and scare the pants off him.
You gotta admit Krappy, it’s a much better plan than you trying to build that Swiss Chalet.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
All I know is I looked two seniors in their eyes a months ago and enrolled them in what I do, blah blah blah
Find out today on our first disenrollment list, 2 of my enrollees have already died!!! It’s only been 6 weeks!!
Is Al Davis going to Indianapolis?? Is Al Davis even alive??
February 24th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
No need to be at the combine,..the 40 yard dash is broadcast live on nfl network. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
No New General Manager. Al Davis operating the Combine from his wheelchair in Alameda.
Just like last year, and the year before, year before, year before, year before………………….
February 24th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.
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Way to go, SeyMoron, lol…you dumbass
February 24th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
If teaching Jamarcus Russell how to play QB was like teaching someone how to drive a stick shift, showing up to meetings on time, speaking to the media, and being the team leader would be about parallel to showing them where to put the keys.
Dude is a looooooong ways away. Getting the crapped kick out of him due to a crappy O-line, throwing to DHB and Ashley Lelie, and having a couple coaches already surely has only made the problem worse, but the facts remain.
Jamarcus has a steeper hill to climb to get to HIS top of the mountain. It is a beautiful view up there if he gets to that mountain top, but things aren’t looking good below.
February 24th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
harbor bay parkway,..thats where him and his wheelchair is old troll kell,..feel free to go tell him all that,…hes right down the street,..or is what old cowards in their 60`s do instead is cry like a little girl in a blog?…every day?…for years?…lol
February 24th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
Whats sad is…you’d think you’d want to be a great QB in the NFL. If you loved football, you’d think you’d be excited to watch film and learn and throw the ball around with your players. Jamarcus is showing that he doesn’t love the game, he just happens to have the talent to play it but without the love, the talent is useless. In college, he could wing it because the talent level was lesser than it is in the NFL. He can’t fake it anymore.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
When your General Manager is 29-83.
When you’ve lost 11 games or more for 7 straight years.
When you’ve had 6 winning seasons in the last 20
Your problems go waaaay beyond the Quarterback.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:05 pm
Krappy, it’s getting late and I’m sure your crusty old brain needs a rest. How about you just trot on outside and let KrappyWife hose you down before you sit down for your pop tart dinner.
That should give you plenty of energy for your evening’s meltdown. That would be so sweet if you started listing all the foreign countries you think you visited while in the Navy.
Remember how awesome that was, Krappy? You are priceless, my old, deranged pal!
February 24th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
Why hasn’t Jerry reported that Seymour got franchised? Btw, I heard yesterday that Mcclain might be taken as 6th overall
pick, if that happens then Okung should fall but if both are gone, I say take thr best available Dez Bryant before the Broncos, he is the only legit number 1 reciever the rest are mostly number 2 wrs.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Dez Bryant, you have got to be kidding?
February 24th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Al isnt the GM old troll kell,…are you always this clueless?…hes the owner/billionaire,…now go to bed you old idiot.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
I can see Okung potentially falling to us, especially if a QB or 2 are taken in the top 7.
The Lions always blow it, they might take Eric Berry.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
If Okung were to fortunately fall to #8, Al Davis would draft Dez Bryant.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Dez bryant sounds fine to me,..Deion said hes awesome,..thats good enough for me.
February 24th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Post140,KK,this is the issue I cant get past.The main constant I see is a losing streak of seven years,and of those seven,who is the GM? Please name the person that will be our next Bruce Allen,because We need a Gm,havent won since we had a real GM,and thats been how long,SEVEN YEARS!!! nb,SHUTUP already with youre bs that it doesnt matter,youre full of norcos crap.Deal with it,AL needs help now!my OPINION
February 24th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Dang, after that old troll fool kell bagged on dez bryant, I had to go take a look,…I think we should draft him!!…he would be instantly our best receiver!…hells ya! word….thanks for bringing him up you old lunatic!…when you go have your meeting with Al please mention dez bryant!
February 24th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Sorry to break this to you gilbert, but bruce allen wasnt the GM here.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
When you’re General Manager is too feeble to make it to market…….
February 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Excuse me Gilbert,
Yeah, when the General Manager is too feeble to make it to the player’s market……….
February 24th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
163,the title of GM has been disputed,however its a Fact that he was a contract guy,media go between etc, and since he and Gruden were traded,the franchise has been WEAK,I say he was the GM,period! Sorry to break this to you,nb, whatever the TITLE was, it seemed to work well,and whatever you say he was,we need that back,NOW
February 24th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I like the McFadden / Ronnie Harmon comparison. He may be better utilized as a more athletic Keith Byers / Larry Centers type.
Give Bush 250+ carries next year.
Calling Fargas a “crash test dummy” was a bit harsh
February 24th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Gilbert, I have been begging for the return of bruce and jon for years,..I love them both,..however bruce was basically a buffer, great cap guy, a reasonable man in the building,..hes missed big time,..as jon is,…however there has never been a GM for the raiders,..and never will be until the old man passes away,..and that wont happen for another 20 years or so. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
My boy brian called me today,..said hes 100% that nhambdi will be traded to the Jets prior to draft, and I believe him. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
You know Jerry, if you weren’t so stupid I might take you seriously and lambast your dumbas for calling Fargas that ignorant name given by a foolish coach.
Fargas is a very hard working professional with pride. I only wish half this roster took the game as serious as he does he is a joy to watch and when he’s not in the lineup you know it. We’re much better with him than without him. And he doesn’t deserve your foolish barbs about his running style. If only DMC would take apage out of his book. He’d lead the league in rushing. Stop the bufoonery and be a professional yourself at least 10% of what Fargas is. You might be editor and chief.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
KK, and anyone reading this, we could do a whole lot worse than Dez Bryant. He might just be the 3rd best player in this draft at any position. He is at least as good if not a lot better than Crabtree will ever be.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
TJ,..Im all for dez bryant at 8,..I think that would be awesome.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Man, I just got back from a kickass PX90 workout, downed a few margaritas and am getting ready to board a limo full of UCLA cheerleaders for some Korean BBQ.
Then I noticed Krappy ISN’T tucked safely into bed, he ISN’T happily snoozing after downing a box of Pop Tarts but that he IS still whining about the GM.
Krappy, you cranky old fool, either trot on down to Home Depot and buy some lumber for your Chalet or get ready for bed.
It’s far too late for an old relic like yourself to be typing or looking into a bright computer light.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Good evening, Raiders fans.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
I thought the McFadden/Ronnie Harmon analogy was spot on by Jerry, as well.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Out of all the needs we have WR is probably the least but when you get a player of Dez Bryants talent you can’t go wrong. He is IMO one of the can’t miss players in this draft. Can catch a bb in the dark and run like crazy has a firm grasp of the route tree and is a size speed ratio type that’s rare. You might call him a faster version of Brandon Marshall.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Yeah, when the General Manager is too feeble to make it to the player’s market……….
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Don’t worry, Herrera has got it all under control
February 24th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Vegas, I never said that all our linemen were low draft picks, I said that we had almost all mid-to-late round guys. I count third round as a mid-round. So, we have a former 2nd rounder that we got through trade and Gallery, who was a 1st rounder, but isn’t playing the position for which he was drafted. Take those two away and I stand by EXACTLY what I said: we have mostly mid-to-late round guys on our line that are castoffs from the scrapheap.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
TJ,..Im all over that dez bryant pick,..matter of fact Im calling gary forst thing tomorrow,..to talk about it,..and will mention your name,..is that cool?
February 24th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Dez Bryant is a year too late for the Raiders. That’s all Russell needs is another Al Davis rookie WR forced on him.
DHB is your boy, Al Davis.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
I’ve always thought in the first round, you go for the best value and whatever position.
If you can get Dez Bryant, easily the #1 WR prospect in the draft, you have to consider it.
Last I checked the only Pro Bowlers we have are kickers and snappers. If Clausen, Dez Bryant, Suh and Okung are the ovreall best guys in this draft, here’s hoping we get one of them.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Oh old troll kell,..cheer up you cranky old man,..it will be a great pick.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Bob, I now know that it’s on KFSO, but what’s the name of the show? I’m too tired to search their whole site to find it, lol… not when I could just ask someone instead.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
KK, you don’t get it this kid would make Russell proud. We don’t have a WR that approaches his talent NO ONE. He would instantly upgrade the entire offense. He’s that damn good, I’m talking Jerry Rice good.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
KNBR 680,..me and TJ are regulars on that show of Garys.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Old troll kell is still blaming the owner for russell still not being able to throw a basic pass,…whoever the qb will be, dez bryant will help. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Cool, cool. Thank you very much, Bob.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Adam shefter believes gradkowski is going to be the starter in 2010, so dez would make a great target for that little polock. Work.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
Dez Bryant is a year too late for the Raiders. That’s all Russell needs is another Al Davis rookie WR forced on him.
DHB is your boy, Al Davis.
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Whats the matter Michael? Isn’t it past your bed time Michael Kelly aka Kool Kell.
BTW you old goat, why did you remove the link from your web page, finally got tired of getting dissed. LMFAO… Tuck it under and run you old loser.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Steve, TJ got hisself banned from Garys show for a while,..but I got him back in, and hes never thanked me,..can you believe that?
February 24th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Steve,
The O-line needs to be ugraded. We all see it. I just don’t think it is a bunch of low-rounders and castoffs as so many in here say. EVERY O-line has a castoff or two, an old cheap FA vet, undrafted guys.
We used the #2 overall pick in the draft to draft Bob Gallery for crips sake. How many NFL franchises in the history of the draft have ever spent a #1 or #2 overall on a tackle? My guess would be about half the league.
February 24th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Bob, I think I love that station already… I went to their website and the very FIRST thing I saw was a banner at the top that said “Jameson Irish Whiskey.”
Yeah, this makes me happy.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
TJ,lets think of a pickup game,you pick,I pick,etc Well based on what Ive seen,I will take Mr Fargas first,youre turn.My turn again,I take Mr Fargas again,nine more times,period!ps reminds me of a throw back running back,fb,etc Heart!
February 24th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Adam shefter believes gradkowski is going to be the starter in 2010, so dez would make a great target for that little polock. Work.
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Come on bro, who give a shyte what Adam Sphincter says!
February 24th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Do you really expect Al Davis, the man who put together the last 20 rosters, only 6 of them producing winning seasons, to produce a better one this year?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
We rolled the dice on Gallery and lost (as far as getting a LT), but that doesn’t mean that we should never try to take an 0L in the 1st again! This line is ridiculously bad. I don’t think that #8 overall is too high to use on OL… especially when a great WR won’t do us a bit of good without better linemen to get some time for the plays to develop. Drafting Dez would be putting the cart WAY before the horse.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Dez Bryant would be nice but I think we seriously need to address either the Offensive Line or Defensive Line as its been put off way too long. If they gave Javon Walker a chance, I think he would be very reliable. If Schilens could stay healthy, he would be great on the other side. DHB and Murphy will hopefully progress and JLH should continue to be a nice fill in WR. If Hue Jackson has any say at all, I hope he gets to pick his starters because I have more faith in him than I do in Tom Cable regarding who the better players are at the skill positions.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
I’d rather have the second-best OL in the draft than the best WR in the draft this year… even if that WR ends up in the HOF with another team… because Dez will never get to the HOF with us unless we fix the OL unless he buys a ticket.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Is Tom Cable the Head Coach, and is Hue Jackson a ZBS guy?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
KoolKell – I’m ok with you unlike some others but I think we all realize the Al Davis issue. Theres really no point beating a dead horse into the ground. Seriously. I just don’t see the point in constantly repeating the same Al Davis info over and over. We already know how you feel. Lets just try to have fun with what we can. You and I both know this team needs a lot of help but constantly talking about how Al Davis is here isn’t going to fix anything. He may be here for another 30 years. I’m not saying forget, just let it go for awhile.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
old troll kell,…tell you what old man, seeing how the losing has made you a very miserable old man,..why not stop following the team for a while?…get another hobby…then if they ever start winning again you can rejoin the fanbase…makes sense to me, because its clear the losing has gotten to you,…good luck old man, and we will see you again down the road.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
We rolled the dice on Gallery and lost (as far as getting a LT), but that doesn’t mean that we should never try to take an 0L in the 1st again! This line is ridiculously bad. I don’t think that #8 overall is too high to use on OL… especially when a great WR won’t do us a bit of good without better linemen to get some time for the plays to develop. Drafting Dez would be putting the cart WAY before the horse.
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Possibly, but we simply HAD to roll the dice on him, we needed him badly, and he has turned out to be a decent guard. I agree, and I think the Raiders SHOULD pick OL with the first pick, or trade down if there are an quality FA’s available.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
The phrasing on that was totally messed up, but I reckon y’all got the point. We could have All-Pros at EVERY skill position and still have a losing record with our O and D Lines. If HOF-caliber players played behind our OL, the only way that they’d get into the HOF is if they bought tickets. (hope it was phrased better that time)
February 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
the raiders went 5-11 last year right?…me and my friends were at every game, and considered it one of the best ever!…however, cranky old men like old troll kell, maybe they were just born miserable. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
old troll kell,…tell you what old man, seeing how the losing has made you a very miserable old man,..why not stop following the team for a while?…get another hobby…then if they ever start winning again you can rejoin the fanbase…makes sense to me, because its clear the losing has gotten to you,…good luck old man, and we will see you again down the road.
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Good idea.
How bout building that “fantasy” chalet on that bogus land you own in Europe. Move there, stay there, and enjoy some soccer or maybe some cricket. Curling?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
24
It all starts and ends with Al Davis.
Yet, people go on and on ad nauseum about potential draft choices.
Why don’t you ask them to shut-up?
Why don’t you ask the Russell bashers to shut up.
Why don’t you ask the trolls to shut-up?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
24,..forget it,..some people, like old troll kell,…thrive on misery,..they love being angry all the time,…thats why he comes in this blog every day, and cries like a little girl,…its his life, he loves being a cranky old man.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Gilbert, I get it your point he a is a shinning example of what giving 100% means. The rest is just talk.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
the raiders went 5-11 last year right?…me and my friends were at every game, and considered it one of the best ever!…however, cranky old men like old troll kell, maybe they were just born miserable. Word.
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Michael Kelly aka Stool Kell born miserable? Nah, but Im sure his parent were instantly miserable when they saw his ugly mug. Not to mention how miserable he is with that man wife, thing, abomination, he fantasizes about as his wife. Gross. I just through up a little bit….
February 24th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
All we can hope for is that we draft an Offensive Tackle who can either take over at LT or RT and hopefully Henderson can move to RT if thats the best decision. I just don’t know what prospect Tom Cable would look at the most. We really should have drafted Eugene Monroe last year and we could have had Dez Bryant this year instead.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
old troll kell,…if al davis makes you this angry, why not go confront him, hes in your town,..either that, how about just follow another team?…when Al is gone you can come back,…why you let Al Davis take over your life?…is this your whole life?…al davis all day long?…you have been obsessing over al davis for years now,..and he doesnt even know you exist…lol
February 24th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Kell, you never answered my last night when I addressed your accusations that I am okay with Al’s decisions over the last decade:
Al’s been running my favorite team into the ground for nearly a decade. I signed the petition and donated money to get the billboard put up on 880, begging for him to hire a GM. Did you?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
KoolKell – Because talking about drafting people, whether we get the player we want or not…is fun. Talking about Al Davis all day is not fun. Thats the difference. I want to enjoy life, not dread it. In terms of Russell, I personally think hes terrible because hes not dedicated. I like the coaching hire of Hue Jackson. Hopefully he can make a difference and if not, I like how well Gradkowski played last season. In terms of the trolls, I don’t have a secret decoder that tells me who is or isn’t a troll so I can’t point those fingers.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
SteveAlford
I did, so what?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Why don’t you ask the Russell bashers to shut up.
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To shut up about what? That he is fat, lazy, fat, lazy, fat, eats too much, sucks, lazy?
Oh but we are racist because we don’t like Jabustus, thats right, never mind, we wouldn’t understand, because it’s just a “brutha” thing right Michael Kelly aka Stool Kell?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
24 #210 makes me want to cry man. It just makes too much sense. That would’ve been the best case scenario……..period
February 24th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Im at every game, tailgate with all kinds of people,…guess what?…al davis never gets mentioned,..by anyone,…thats for losers like old man kell, stuck in misery, wakes up thinking about al davis,…cant go a minute without thinking about al davis…all day long, every day,..for years now,…old troll kell should be institutionalized. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
24
Winning is fun too. When the Raiders start winning, you won’t have to listen to me complain about Al Davis. Until then…………I’ll discuss what I want to.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
TJ,..please dont cry,..we have old troll kell for that.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Lol,..discuss?…lol…nice one old man,..you never discuss,..you cry,..like a little girl. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
KoolKell – I’m not “telling” you what to do…I’m merely asking. Do whatever you want…just thought I’d add some insight to your way of thinking. No probs.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Al Davis has 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years, and you guys are breathless about who he might draft?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
I got it. I got it. Michael Kelly aka Stool Kell’s problem with Al Davis is this. His thing, pet, abomination, what have you, the it he calls his man wife, its real name is Al Davis-Johnson (Stool Kell is attracted to dudes with hyphenated names). He liked it at first, he stroked it, he fed it, he petted it, he even took it in public for walks. Then it just got uglier and uglier. Now he hates it, its name, hyphenated names, and anything related to its name, including people with the same name. Now he pretends he owns land in another country so he can move it there, leave it there, where nobody can see it. I just threw up a little bit again.. shyte.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Hue Jackson is great with WR’s…I’m really hoping he helps our WR coach and gets into the minds of our WR core. Hue Jackson needs to get Walker on the field and he needs to start Bush.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Oh I see, you can discuss what you want but they cant discuss the draft?…you really are an idiot old troll kell.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Why do you say Hue Jackson is great with WRs?
LMFAO at Javon Walker actually playing. Maybe the most rediculous post of the new year.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Oh I see, you can discuss what you want but they cant discuss the draft?…you really are an idiot old troll kell.
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Come on Bob, based on your comment above you are assuming Michael Kelly aka Stool Kell has common sense or logic.
Keep it together bro, don’t fall down that endless spiral of madness Stool Kell is circling in… besides his own feces.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
I’m honestly surprised Sanjay Lal is still the WR coach after last year. Hue Jackson not only needs to spend time with the skill position players but he needs to coach this coach how to coach.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
Al Davis, The General Manager is 29-83, can’t get to the combine, and you’re titillated about his draft pick, really?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RaiderRon – Hue Jackson did a great job with the Bengals for 3 years. He’s had success while coaching WR’s. Javon Walker has talent whether you like it or not. Hes proven that in the past. Whether he can show it again is another thing but unless he actually gets the opportunity, its impossible to find out. Al Davis gave him starter money and had he started, Jamarcus should have had an easier time instead of having 2 rookies. Walker has at least been there and done that and if healthy and with a competent QB, he should be able to be successful again.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
I better take another toke,…have a shot of Patron. shall I have one for you old troll kell?…pot and tequila is probably just what you need,…that and therapy.,..and likely a new diaper by now.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Old troll kell,..hes not the gm, and the combine is a waste of time,…simmer down dude, you are embarrassing yourself again,..you must enjoy that. lol
February 24th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
KK, and anyone reading this, we could do a whole lot worse than Dez Bryant. He might just be the 3rd best player in this draft at any position. He is at least as good if not a lot better than Crabtree will ever be.
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Well, let’s see TJ..
the following is Dez’s college awards:
# 2008 Wide Receiver Trophy Recipient, College Football Performance Awards
# 2007 Second-team freshman All-America
# 2008 First team All-America by AFCA-Coaches
The following is Crabtree’s awards in college:
2007 All-Big 12 Selected for first team [26]
2007 AFCA Coaches’ All-America Selected One of two wide receivers selected; first Freshman to earn the honor since Herschel Walker in 1980[27]
2007 AP All-America Selected for first team Garnered Unanimous All-America status by being selected for a fifth NCAA-recognized All-America team[28][29]
2007 AP Big 12 Offensive Newcomer of the Year Selected [30][31]
2007 AT&T ESPN All-America Player of the Year Winner First freshman to win the award[32]
2007 Biletnikoff Award Winner First freshman and first Big 12 player ever chosen for the honor[33]
2007 CBSSports.com All-America Selected to first team [34]
2007 CBSSports.com Freshman of the Year Selected Unanimous first place selection[35]
2007 ESPN All-America Selected [36]
2007 FWAA All-America Selected for team [37]
2007 Maxwell Award Chosen as a semifinalist Only freshman chosen as semifinalist in 2007[38][39]
2007 Paul Warfield Award Winner [34]
2007 Rivals.com National Freshman of the Year Selected [40]
2007 SI.com All-America Selected for first team [41]
2007 Sporting News All-America Selected for first team Garnered Consensus All-America status by being selected for a third NCAA-recognized All-America team[42]
2007 Sporting News Big 12 All-Freshman Team Selected [43]
2007 Touchdown Club of Columbus Freshman of the Year Selected [34]
2007 Walter Camp All-America Selected for first team [44]
2008 Playboy All-America Selected [45]
2008 Preseason All-Big 12 Selected for first team Only unanimous selection[46][47]
2008 All-Big 12 Selected for first team Only offensive unanimous selection[48]
2008 AFCA Coaches’ All-America Selected One of three returnees from last year’s list[49]
2008 Biletnikoff Award Winner First ever two-time winner[50]
2008 Walter Camp All-America Selected for first team [51]
2008 FWAA All-America Selected for team Garnered Consensus All-America status by being selected for a third NCAA-recognized All-America team[52]
2008 SI.com All-America Selected for first team [53]
2008 AP All-America Selected for first team [54]
2008 Sporting News All-America Selected for first team Garnered Unanimous All-America status by being selected for a fifth NCAA-recognized All-America team[55]
2008 Paul Warfield Award Winner [56]
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Sure, TJ, LOL…is just ‘as good, if not better than Crabtree”.
didn’t YOU predict Crabtree wouldn’t do squat when he signed?
You are pretty much torpedoing everything in sight, aren’t ya?
Hey..you throw enough darts? You’re bound to hit something…keep on truckin’, pops.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Roddy White also broke out as a WR in 2007 while Hue Jackson was the Offensive Coordinator.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
So Hue Jax happens to coach a couple of good recievers for a few years and all the sudden hes great with WRs. Ok.
Javon Walker hasnt done squat for what, 4 years now. The dude is freakn done. Period. If he couldnt get on the field last year with the garbage WRs the Raiders trotted out there then he never will. Javon Walker. PFFT!
February 24th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Al Davis has gotten NADA out of his last 3 Top 10 picks.
You wanna talk draft?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Dang rich,…I cant read all that,..does that post mean you like dez or dislike dez?…thanks.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
# Einstein Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Oh I see, you can discuss what you want but they cant discuss the draft?…you really are an idiot old troll kell.
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Come on Bob, based on your comment above you are assuming Michael Kelly aka Stool Kell has common sense or logic.
Keep it together bro, don’t fall down that endless spiral of madness Stool Kell is circling in… besides his own feces.
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Now how precious are you, EinStupid?
Beech the babbling Boob has a scat fetish…nay obsession..and here, you being void of original thought, are jumping in on his FecesFest?
Don’t you just love lemmings?
Just meekly follow along…as they are want to do..waiting for someone to think for them, then echoing the thoughts, giggling like a little school girl that they have something to post.
Yep, Einstupid, you’re just as precious as you can be.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Derrick Mason continued to have 1,000 yard seasons for 2 years under Hue Jackson with a young QB in Flacco.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Dang rich,…I cant read all that,..does that post mean you like dez or dislike dez?…thanks.
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Remember Bobbo..three lefts make a right.
And there you have it.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
Why talk Sanjay Lai who’s been here for a year, when the Raiders have lost 11 games or more for the last 7 years straight, with Al Davis as General Manager?
It’s besides the point, no?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
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Is Hue Jackson a ZBS guy? He’s the OC now.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
TJ,..please dont cry,..we have old troll kell for that.
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are you crying? ARE YOU CRYING???
There’s no crying in baseball…..
Wait…we’re not in….
Never mind.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
RaiderRon – I can’t predict the future and I can’t guarentee everything but I hope Walker can be good again. It would benefit our team. Its very possible hes done but I hope not.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Priest certainly has a gift for hyperbole and diversion.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Sanjay Lal should be in Gitmo Bay. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
KoolKell – I would think hes not but Mike Tomlin became the Head Coach of the Steelers and he was a Cover 2 guy coming into a completely different Defensive scheme. He kept the same Defensive Coordinator in Dick LeBeau and they molded their ideas together to become a hybrid and that worked just fine. I’m sure Hue Jackson can put his ideas with Tom Cable’s and they can make it work.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
You guys ever smoke blueberry pot?…its the best shyt Iv had that wasnt grown in Hawaii. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Me: No receiver, no matter how gifted he is, will perform at an elite level unless we have linemen good enough to create the time needed for plays to develop.
Priest: Dez will be as good as JERRY RICE! WE HAVE TO PICK HIM!!!
Total strawman argument by Priest and brilliant diversion to avoid admitting that he doesn’t know a damned thing about football. Dez is useless until we have a better line, Priest. Good job at “winning” the argument, though.
Let me spell it out slowly for you: Even if Dez is BETTER than Rice, we still need DECENT (not even great) offensive linemen before an elite WR will be a priority. Just because Al keeps trying to find ‘em, doesn’t mean it’s what we need. Please buy a copy of Football for Dummies, since you obviously never played above H.S. level and only know what you pick up from the play-by-play announcers raving about skill players.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
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I wouldn’t compare the Steelers with the Raiders.
Because it would’t be the first time Al Davis hired someone who doesn’t fit his system. DeAngelo Hall comes to mind.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Priest was comparing DHB to Jerry Rice last year, word.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Ok 24, got it. Hope is all we have anymore seems like. Hope Russell isnt as bad as hes shown, hope DHB isnt the bust he looks like, hope Al Davis finally passes away. Hope…………..
February 24th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
priesttj Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
KK, you don’t get it this kid would make Russell proud. We don’t have a WR that approaches his talent NO ONE. He would instantly upgrade the entire offense. He’s that damn good, I’m talking Jerry Rice good.
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Agreed Priest. We already have such a green group of receivers. Once Chaz came back, they had their moments. But do we really have a bonafide #1 guy? Drafting Bryant would make our reciving corps the unquestioned strenth of our team. Can’t say that about any of our units except for the kickers right now.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:49 pm
Old troll,..will you sit with me for a game in row 1 in 2010?…my treat…we can go up in the west side club, (I have access),..pound some tequila,…go get high,…big tailgate prior,..brian will be there,…what you think old dude?…ya?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Kell, please spell that Cornerback’s name correctly. It’s eAngelo Hall… there’s no D with him.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Tom Cable will watch the final 11 or 12 games from his living room couch. Hue Jackson was brought here to be the HC. Nothing more nothing less.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Hey Bobbo…what’s up with you posting something, then agreeing with yourself with the ‘word’?
While “word” has numerous uses, don’t recall seeing where you “word” your own comments..like saying ‘I agree with me’?? lol
February 24th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Doofus Boob
When I go to the games I sit in 218. So, I wouldn’t be interested in sitting with trolls downstairs in the endzone, ok?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Adding a rookie makes the WRs the strength of the team.
Wait for it……Wait for it…. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
Cool,…I have club seats too but dont usually use them,..I prefer the trenches. Word.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:54 pm
RaiderRon Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Tom Cable will watch the final 11 or 12 games from his living room couch. Hue Jackson was brought here to be the HC. Nothing more nothing less.
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It’s starting to look more that way everyday. I hope it happens.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Lol,..I actually was in 218 at the Philly game last year,…were ya there old dude?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
RaiderRon Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Adding a rookie makes the WRs the strength of the team.
Wait for it……Wait for it…. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I take it you think Dez Bryant sucks?
February 24th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
@ Debo and Priest:
Are you guys serious? Why the hell would you want the receiving corps to be the unquestioned strength of our team? Watch some games from last season, okay. No matter who was in at QB and no matter which OL rotation was in, we took a completely unacceptable # of hits to the QB.
We could run a 3WR package with Rice, Carter, and Brown (in their primes) with this OL and still have a losing record. Stop falling in love with skill players and learn what it takes to win games. Football games are won and lost in the trenches. For all we know, there were dozens and dozens of plays where the WRs that we have now were wide open and would have caught the ball, but the QB never got a chance to get it there. You build a team from the lines back. A WR who would “make Russell proud,” as Pries put it, is worthless when the QB is on the ground or running for his life and can’t see where the WR is.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
My club seats are in 221,..but had 218 I swapped,..and sat next to some people Morrison gave tix too,..some high school friends of his,..and they wore eagles gear,..I sent a tweet to kirk about it. Damn. he was pissed.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Dez bryant is all pro, deion said so,..so now hes my choice at 8,..actually i want to trade that pick to philly for mcnabb,..he has 3 great years left in him. hey now.
February 24th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Dez Bryant looks like a player, no doubt. The rest of the bums on the squad however leave alot to be desired.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Bob, I now know that it’s on KFSO, but what’s the name of the show? I’m too tired to search their whole site to find it, lol… not when I could just ask someone instead.
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It’s called the Raiders post game show..immediately following the games, after talking to a player or two, few words with Cable, wrap up from Greg Papa, it goes to one or two hosts who discuss the game, and field phone calls for an hour or more.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
I was telling him about what show I call rich,..garys show on KNBR 680,..the sports leader.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
TJ was banned from garys show,..I got him back in,..hes never thanked me either,..I think that sucks. Hey now.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Ohhhh…my bad.
I recall Steve asking about the shows where TJ calls, and makes a fool of himself, where the hosts hang up on him…of course, Dan and Gary probably do the same.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
@ Debo and Priest:
Are you guys serious? Why the hell would you want the receiving corps to be the unquestioned strength of our team? Watch some games from last season, okay. No matter who was in at QB and no matter which OL rotation was in, we took a completely unacceptable # of hits to the QB.
We could run a 3WR package with Rice, Carter, and Brown (in their primes) with this OL and still have a losing record. Stop falling in love with skill players and learn what it takes to win games. Football games are won and lost in the trenches. For all we know, there were dozens and dozens of plays where the WRs that we have now were wide open and would have caught the ball, but the QB never got a chance to get it there. You build a team from the lines back. A WR who would “make Russell proud,” as Pries put it, is worthless when the QB is on the ground or running for his life and can’t see where the WR is.
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Good to hear that you understand how the bad OL play affected out qbs last season. You’ve got a point, but if Bryant is the best player on the board and we’d be reaching for a tackle, I wouldn’t keel over if we drafted him. We’ve got three more choices in the 1st three rounds to address the line. And when Gallery was healthy, the pass protection was pretty good. He was there for the 1st two games and if not for a defensive collapse on the last drive of the SD game, we would have been 2-0. If Cable is back, I’m assuming he’ll be all over the OL. If Okung and Davis are gone, I’d be happy with Bryant.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
@Richochet:
I was asking the name of the show that Bob is going to call tomorrow morning. Is the name of it still the Raiders Postgame Show, even though we’re in the offseason?
February 24th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
In that case, Steve..you can DVR the show..the radio talk show is also on TV..at least in the Bay Area.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
No, Steve, it’s not..it’s the Gary Radnich show..and again, it’s on TV. At least it’s on my ATT UVerse..sometimes have it on in the background.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
@Debo:
I completely understand how the OL line play affected the QBs last year. I also understand that even with that horrible line play, Frye got over 300 yards and then had a 180 yard 1st half the next week before that line’s horrible play finally ended his season. How well did JR play behind that same line in the same game for the same number of minutes? I’m talking about the line sucking… don’t use that as an excuse for JR… because Frye and Gradkowski (Frye specifically, using the SAME linemen in the SAME game) totally outplayed JR.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Yeah so…Jerry McDonald…when are you going to stop spending time with your family and get to work by creating a post about Richard Seymour…we’re your bloggers…show some respect haha =P I’m just playin. Family or US Jerry.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
And no, I’m not saying that Grads or Frye are our saviors… merely pointing out that they played better than JR. If a better OL will make JR’s play better, imagine how much better Grads and Frye would look. A line that lets JR get to 300 yards might get Frye up to 500!
I’d rather have a good line and a determined, devoted JR than a good line and Grads/Frye/Losman… but my faith in JR’s ability to do what he has to is VERY low.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
They tagged Seymour today, no?
February 24th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:09 pm
@Debo:
I completely understand how the OL line play affected the QBs last year. I also understand that even with that horrible line play, Frye got over 300 yards and then had a 180 yard 1st half the next week before that line’s horrible play finally ended his season. How well did JR play behind that same line in the same game for the same number of minutes? I’m talking about the line sucking… don’t use that as an excuse for JR… because Frye and Gradkowski (Frye specifically, using the SAME linemen in the SAME game) totally outplayed JR.
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Dude, what’s your definition of a good game?? Do you really think Frye’s game against Cleveland was a good game? Three picks and we didn’t score a TD in a loss. Let’s not rewrite history.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Week 17, Raiders vs Ravens:
Frye with 180 yards, 1TD, 0INT
JR with 102 yards, 0TD, 1INT
Both played for one half. They had the same line in front of them and were facing the same defense. Sadly, this was one of the best halves of football that JR has ever played. It’s top five for him, at least.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Oh, I forgot:
Frye: 0 Fumbles, 0 Fumbles Lost
Jr: 1 Fumble, 1 Fumble Lost
February 24th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
yes old troll kell,..thats breaking news,..for you anyway. lol
February 24th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
And I meant that it’s one of the better halves he’s played AS A PRO, but I suspect that you know what I meant and won’t come back with the “He’s played amazing football all his life” crap and try to reference his Pee-Wee, HS, and NCAA games.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
If that little Polock gradkowski is the starter, like adam says, we need dez bryant. hey now.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Week 17, Raiders vs Ravens:
Frye with 180 yards, 1TD, 0INT
JR with 102 yards, 0TD, 1INT
Both played for one half. They had the same line in front of them and were facing the same defense. Sadly, this was one of the best halves of football that JR has ever played. It’s top five for him, at least.
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Your argument is too simplistic. Like I said in an earlier post, the only real way to compare performance with “the same supporting cast” is when Grads spelled Russell for the halves of the NY Jets and KC games.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:29 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
And I meant that it’s one of the better halves he’s played AS A PRO, but I suspect that you know what I meant and won’t come back with the “He’s played amazing football all his life” crap and try to reference his Pee-Wee, HS, and NCAA games.
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You really don’t think JR has played a better game in his pro career than the Baltimore game?????
February 24th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
So you’re saying that the only way to compare performance is in the games that support YOUR position?
February 24th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:34 pm
So you’re saying that the only way to compare performance is in the games that support YOUR position?
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I’m saying the comparing stats for one game doesn’t tell me who the better QB is. The sample size is way too small. Surely you agree with me.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Debo,
You just did the same thing that I called Priest out for: Strawman Argument.
I didn’t say the Ravens game was his best game or that he’s never played a better game than that. I said it was one of his best performances. Despite the fumble and INT, he did seem to have better awareness and had some good completions. Overall, I seriously would put it in his top five halves in the NFL, given all factors.
What you said is not what I SAID. You created something different from what I said and then put five question marks after it as if it was a crazy notion. Well, to say that was his BEST performance IS a crazy notion, but that’s not what I said. If you’re going to question my opinions, at least question what I said and not some distorted BS that you make up to make your position appear more rational.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
but I suspect that you know what I meant and won’t come back with the “He’s played amazing football all his life” crap and try to reference his Pee-Wee, HS, and NCAA games.
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My point is that I don’t have to “reference his Pee-Wee, HS, and NCAA games” to find a better half of football than the Balltimore game.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
i have no problem with d bryant as the pick.he would give us 4 big athletic wrs like russ had at lsu. i also like the fact that bryant is a tough physical wr with speed and strong hands. he reminds me alot of TO without the drama. dhb doesnt have to start right away and schilenz hasnt stayed healthy enuff to count on him. then higgins watkins n miller could battle out for 2 more wr spots. we really need a veteran to fill one of the 2 spots left. i also say get gerhardt in the 3rd if available. we need guys who are tough physical guys that can extend drives but also score tds. bryant and toby can do that.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
There’s the strawman again, Debo.
I never said he hasn’t had a better half than the Balto game. I said it was one of his best halves, probably top five. Stop making strawmen that you can easily knock down and dispute what I actually said instead of your distorted version.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
if we were to sign yanda from balti it might allow us to go ot in the second or if we do trade namdi for a couple of 1rsts then we could go ot and bryant in the 1rst.we really wont have an idea until FA is a few weeks in to see what we have goin into the draft. i feel we might make some headlines getting some pretty good names in here. im all for us going after peppers. it aint my money so go get em AL!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
armond Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 8:45 pm
i have no problem with d bryant as the pick.he would give us 4 big athletic wrs like russ had at lsu.
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Seriously?
Russell can’t get the ball to one WR, and you want the team to draft another first round WR? That’s like a cowboy with four pistols when he can’t hit the target with one.
Miller, Schilens, Murphy and sometimes DHB are enough for now. There are too many other needs to address before selecting a WR again.
February 24th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
@NortherD:
THANK YOU! I’ve been saying that all night (scroll up and read my posts concerning the line and needs), but Priest and Debo and others like them just don’t understand. Without better protection, we could start Rice, Brown, and Carter (all at their peaks) and still have a losing record.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
damn watchin dez on youtube i forgot how quick he is at his size. dude is a damn good open field runner. he is the perfect compliment to heybey.so many players in this draft its hard to choose which ones to get.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Armond,
Do you know nothing about football? If the QB doesn’t have time to let the play develop, then the best and fastest WR doesn’t mean a thing. You’re wasting your time watching Dez. You (and especially AL DAVIS) need to be looking at film on offensive linemen. That’s what the team needs in order to start winning games again… not more skill position players. The weapons we have now are more than good enough to go 9-7 if only we had good lines and decent play from the QB.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Taking a skill postion player at 8 would be a Mr. Davis type pick…. then why not draft crabtree last year, over the character we picked???
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In no particular order….
Unless Suh, or McCoy are avail at 8.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
I think people look at it like it’s a video game. They can just plug in a skill player and the team is that much better.
Unfortunately, it’s not a video game.
There’s still only one football, and if the team doesn’t make plays or complete passes, then they’ll be off the field in three downs.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
You dont draft for the trench 5-11 will be your 2010 – 2011 uncapped version…..
February 24th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
u guys read what the hell u want to read. why dont u copy where i also said depending on who we sign in FA we might be able to go after another position at 8. we also dont know if we will trade namdi or not. we could go ot but we might get mcclain at 8 as well. better wrs can make your qb better and he had no problem getting the ball to chaz accurately. we need playmakers period including wr. we also have other picks. why do so many of u act like the 1rst rnd pick is the only pick to address a need? u mean we cant get some good lineman in the 2nd or 3rd? the vikings had carter and jake reed but they still took moss and look at what happened.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
Prepare this team for trench warfare you win games….
If we had of drafted this way from the inside out, I had us taking Bryant this year… But for some reason Mr. Davis likes “prospects”….
February 24th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Thec07,
Suh and McCoy will drinking champagne backstage before the Raiders get to pick. That would be nice though.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
I am not hearing anthing but trench…
All the good teams have solid trenches….WTF do we have???
February 24th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
One of these guys will be available at 8
Suh, McCoy, or Okung…. Will lay coin down…
February 24th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
You people who are all excited over Dez need to learn something: Your entire offense is only a fraction better than your offensive line makes them and your entire defense is only a fraction better than the defensive line makes them. The Raiders Superbowl teams had one hallmark: STELLAR line play on both sides of the ball. The quality of your Offensive and Defensive Lines can make losers into champions… or champions into losers.
Despite common opionion, I think that Barry Sanders was the best RB of all time. If he had an AVERAGE Offensive Line, he could have taken the Lions to the NFC title game several times without an upgrade at QB, WR, or defense. That horrible line is the reason that Sanders has the record for most runs of negative yardage. Imagine how great he would’ve been with adequate blocking…
WE DON’T NEED DEZ! WE NEED LINEMEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL! Thank you.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
LTR NAtion…
February 24th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
NorthernD Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
I think people look at it like it’s a video game. They can just plug in a skill player and the team is that much better.
Unfortunately, it’s not a video game.
There’s still only one football, and if the team doesn’t make plays or complete passes, then they’ll be off the field in three downs.
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Not so sure about that. Look at the affect that TO had on SF, Philly and Dallas? How about Moss in Minnesota and New England? Guys like that can change everything. Maybe Dez should be the pick.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
sorry but OJ Simpson was the best of all time IMHO…
2,003 yards in 14 games….
February 24th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
I meant “effect”.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
stevealford azzhole i know alot about football. do you know how not to be a pain in the azz? do u know that u dont have to take what somebody wants u to take yet still address that need some other way including before the draft? shouldnt the 1rst rnd be for best player available regardless of position especially if the wrs could be upgraded. i can look at what the hell i want so dont tell me who to look at foolio. u are arguing a point that wasnt made. i never said to draft bryant 100% but that i wouldnt have a problem with it if we did. u dont know who i want as a FIRST CHOICE cuz i never said. u need to read and comprehend what people say like u claim others should do for you.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
armond,
I’m all for taking an OL in the 2nd or 3rd, or 4th.
Adding a WR at this point would be an entirely wasted pick. Picking up a third WR can be an effective way to maximize an offence, if the team is already productive. It’s a luxury pick.
The Vikings had an effective QB on the roster, a solid RB and good defence. Moss was a “once in 20 years” player who slipped in the draft, and was a steal where he was picked.
Totally different circumstances.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Look at the offensive lines on all those teams you just named…. Nothing like the raiders, QB had time to throw…
Draftin skill players is not a good business decision, you can get skill a dime a doz…
February 24th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Armond, I never said that the 1st pick is the only one that counts, but I’m saying that we need the best linemen that we can find. Are you saying that the best linemen in the draft will be there after #8? Are you saying that the linemen that are available in the 2nd and 3rd round are just as good as the ones in the 1st?
I’m saying that they’re NOT. We need to use our 1st pick to address our biggest need. We can’t take the best player available if he’s a WR. Why? Because by the time we get to our “need” picks, the best linemen are gone. I don’t care if there are five WRs rated higher than the best lineman when we pick… we have to take the top lineman available at #8.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
debo u have people in here that claim to know more than every1 and try to critique your knowledge if u dont agree. none of us said that dez should be the pick but would be a good 1. isnt it stupid to assume that if we pick wr 1rst it means we wont or cant address other needs later or even before our 1rst pick? yet they question our knowledge, haha idiots!!
February 24th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
take thee best available player that is a LB,OT,DT
In no particular order….
February 24th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Debo, plugging TO or Moss into a team with a good line is an instant upgrade and 2-4 more wins per season. Plugging them into the Raiders gets us maybe one more win per season. Until the line is fixed, we don’t need skill players, they’ll just take up salary that could be spent on elite linemen.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
I am telling Dez is the only legit number 1 wr in this draft, he is like Calvin Johnson in the sense the best wide out compared to the rest of the guys. If we miss Mcclain, we can draft Spikes n not miss out, Dez is one of a kind. I don’t mind AL taking him
February 24th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
If raiders end up with CB Joe Haden or WR Dez Bryant I’d be happy.
I know it’s not a glaring need.
But u can’t pass up that kind of talent.
Easier for me to judge/evaluate skill players than them big fat guys in the trenches.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Thec,
I almost agree. I say best available LT, DT, G.
I want Dansby BADLY. If not him, then another veteran MLB who preferably has experience in an NFL 4-3. Al will never switch to 3-4, and I don’t think McClain or Spikes would succeed in a 4-3, they’re more suited to ILB in a 3-4 (what they’ve been playing in college). MLB is completely different than ILB… and unless we get MAJOR upgrades at DT, they’ll probably fare just as badly as Morrison… though Morrison does need to be replaced (moved to Sam, in my opinion).
February 24th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
NorthernD Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
armond,
I’m all for taking an OL in the 2nd or 3rd, or 4th.
Adding a WR at this point would be an entirely wasted pick. Picking up a third WR can be an effective way to maximize an offence, if the team is already productive. It’s a luxury pick.
The Vikings had an effective QB on the roster, a solid RB and good defence. Moss was a “once in 20 years” player who slipped in the draft, and was a steal where he was picked.
Totally different circumstances.
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Dude, the “established” qb in Minn was Brad Johnson. And he got hurt like in the 2nd game which led to Randall Cunningham’s rebirth. After that, Jeff George and Daunte Culpepper enjoyed the best years of their careers with Moss. That’s the kind of impact a great wide receiver can have on a team.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
4eve and Mack:
I totally disagree. Dez IS the top WR in the draft, but you CAN pass up that kind of talent. If we take Dez, then we’ll end up with maybe the 4th or 5th best lineman in the draft, if not worse, instead of the 1st or 2nd best. A great WR isn’t worth that kind of dropoff in protection… especially when our lines are in the shape they are now. Taking the best player available at the expense of addressing a need is bad business.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
i dont know who will be there just like u dont. if okung is available of course he’s at the top of the list. what if he isnt and bryant is there? do u pass on him for a player who isnt the same kind of impact guy at another position? do we pass on him for heybey,murphy or cant stay healthy chaz? are u serious? bryant is a better talent than crabtree imho. i wished we had taken mack or oher over heybey last year. dez isnt the only guy i like at “8 either. u also dont know if a 2nd rnd guy isnt better than a 1rst. there are 2nd and 3rders that end up better than some 1rsts.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RaiderDebo,
Do you the good effect, or the bad effect that TO had?
I assume you mean an increase to the offence.
Having three + WR’s will benefit any team. The three amigos of Denver, the old Redskins with Art Monk and them.
But those were teams that were good already, and the extra option at wr only made them great.
But this is a Raider team that only scores around ten points a game. The QB situation is a mess, the O-line and RB’s are awful, and the OC is confused.
They have bigger problems to deal with than the third or fourth WR option.
Russell doesn’t have the time or awareness to pick up his third or fourth option when passing.
IMO, there are bigger fish to fry.
If DHB can get his act togther, then they will be set anyways, with Miller at TE, and Shilens, Murphy and DHB.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
armond Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
debo u have people in here that claim to know more than every1 and try to critique your knowledge if u dont agree. none of us said that dez should be the pick but would be a good 1. isnt it stupid to assume that if we pick wr 1rst it means we wont or cant address other needs later or even before our 1rst pick? yet they question our knowledge, haha idiots!!
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Dude I hear ya. This Steve dude is nuts. If you check one of my earlier posts, even I said that if Okung and Davis were gone, I wouldn’t have a problem with Dez. But the guy is in his own world. I just don’t want to reach for an Iupati or the guy from Maryland just because it’s a need. That’s how you end up with inferior players.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
I meant 1st or 2nd best available at #8, not 1st or 2nd best overall. Taking something we don’t need and that won’t get us more than one extra win per year is wrong. If we make DRASTIC improvements to the line in FA, then maybe Dez is an option, but as it stands now… no way. And considering that the uncapped year reduced the # of FAs greatly and put big restrictions on most of them (it’ll cost us picks to get almost anyone good), I don’t see Al making big moves in FA.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
Armond, here’s the bottom line:
Even though we pick at #8, I would rather have a linemen with 15th pick ability than Dez. “Reaching” on a guy that we NEED is better than getting a steal on a guy that won’t help much. Look at it this way… if you are STARVING to death, would you rather I gave you a ham sandwich now or promised you a steak next year? Dez is the steak next year. We need a ham sandwich now, hell we needed one six years ago; we’ve been starving to death as a team ever since.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
spikes is a 4-3 mlb and dez cant be passed on as easily as u think.i dont want 2 settle for anthony davis if he isnt much better than bulaga or campbell or another top ot. if dez is that much better period then u take him. also he is a STAR!! we need stars on this team regardless of where they play.i want an elite level guy and if okung is gone than u have to look at dez, mcclai,n etc. im not hung up on position cuz u can always get around that. we need guys that just make plays to win games. dont tell me fitzgerald wouldnt help this offense despite the weakazz oline.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Thr Raiders had Moss too, And they did nothing. It seemed like every other play was Collins lofting the ball, and hoping Moss would leap and grab it.
They need more balance, and selecting a wr is a luxury pick.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
And if we pass up on a 1st round lineman, then all the 1st round ability linemen will be gone when we pick again. I’d rather reach A BIT than drop A LOT.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Armond, I’d rather have a lineman who can give the QB four seconds to drop back than both Fitzgerald AND Boldin. If you think that having a great receiver with OUR line would make us a great team, you’re nuts.
As NorthernD said, we had Moss, remember? How’d that work out? The line was so bad that Randy got tired of running routes, getting open, and looking back to see a sack or a broken play… so he stopped trying. Until we fix the line, WR is our LAST priority (except P, K, and LS).
February 24th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
u gotta be kidding me!!!u really think we dont need dez? i agree about oline but u never take the 3rd or worst best option one area over a top 3 overall talent cuz of need especially when #3 overall player does represent a need. unless the 3rd -5th best option is still better than or just beneath that 3rd overall talent i pass on them that early. also do yall really think that dez would be a 3rd or 4th option at wr on this team? thats nuts. wheres my boy jhill to school yall about this?
February 24th, 2010 at 9:39 pm
armond,
You’re using the best player available theory of drafting. So no matter what the team needs, you take the best player on the board. KC use to swear by that method. Way back they selected RB Harvey Williams when they had Cristian Okoye and Barry Word on the roster.
Over the history of the draft, it has actually proven to be the most effective way of drafting.
Could drafting Dez work out in the long run?
Sure.
But linemen have always been less likely to be busts than other positions. WR’s more likely to be busts, especially when the QB is bad.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
armond Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:18 pm
debo u have people in here that claim to know more than every1 and try to critique your knowledge if u dont agree. none of us said that dez should be the pick but would be a good 1. isnt it stupid to assume that if we pick wr 1rst it means we wont or cant address other needs later or even before our 1rst pick? yet they question our knowledge, haha idiots!!
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Dude I hear ya. This Steve dude is nuts. If you check one of my earlier posts, even I said that if Okung and Davis were gone, I wouldn’t have a problem with Dez. But the guy is in his own world. I just don’t want to reach for an Iupati or the guy from Maryland just because it’s a need. That’s how you end up with inferior players.
thank you. which is how u end up picking top 10 again. didnt we do that last year choosing heybey over mack oher monroe?
February 24th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
You mentioned Calvin Johnson as being that kind of elite WR that is such a talent that you can’t pass him up, right? How much has his presence resurrected the Lions? How great a team are they with him? The messed up part is that the Lions have a BETTER offensive line than we do! We CAN afford to pass up the best WR available, even if he’s already elite. You’re talking about buying spinners for a car with no transmission.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
post316&317,Hey Fellas,Armond and Thec07,How are you doing on this fine pre draft RAIDER evening? Im with ya OL,DL,LINEBACKER,and what youve pointed out is True,we can/will upgrade before the draft/or after,this off season will be exciting! understand the interest in Dez,Armond, what do you think about Mays at some point? Understand were fine at safety,but trades do happen.Raiders!!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
NorthernD Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
RaiderDebo,
Do you the good effect, or the bad effect that TO had?
I assume you mean an increase to the offence.
Having three + WR’s will benefit any team. The three amigos of Denver, the old Redskins with Art Monk and them.
But those were teams that were good already, and the extra option at wr only made them great.
But this is a Raider team that only scores around ten points a game. The QB situation is a mess, the O-line and RB’s are awful, and the OC is confused.
They have bigger problems to deal with than the third or fourth WR option.
Russell doesn’t have the time or awareness to pick up his third or fourth option when passing.
IMO, there are bigger fish to fry.
If DHB can get his act togther, then they will be set anyways, with Miller at TE, and Shilens, Murphy and DHB.
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I hear ya man. By the way, I’m talking about the positive effect TO had. He helped McNabb have the finest statistical of his career and the Eagles made the SB. If our triplets can get it done. I’ll be happy. But like Armond, I worry about Chaz being able to stay healthy. His injury in the preseason basically wrecked our season. And who knows with DHB? I certainly hope he’s better. To me this group could stand the addition of a real stud.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
why the hell do u guys think i say we have to get him case closed? first moss was a biotch who quit so it didnt matter about the line or qb. 2 we picked gallery and we still need a tackle so its about the player not the position. 3 how do u pass up star power on a team that needs an identity? there are several guys i like and dez is 1 of them. your comments about jr are biased cu u dont think he can get good. i believe he can and i would like to help him get better. oline or dez, hell i dont mind if we wait and get gilyard later. point is we need playmakers no matter what they play. i hope spikes slips to the 2nd and we take him.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
24 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RaiderRon – Hue Jackson did a great job with the Bengals for 3 years. He’s had success while coaching WR’s. Javon Walker has talent whether you like it or not. Hes proven that in the past. Whether he can show it again is another thing but unless he actually gets the opportunity, its impossible to find out. Al Davis gave him starter money and had he started, Jamarcus should have had an easier time instead of having 2 rookies. Walker has at least been there and done that and if healthy and with a competent QB, he should be able to be successful again.
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Walker’s been valuable as a big receiver who can keep our DBs up to speed. Whether thats worth 2-3 million is Al’s call.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
You used Oher as an example of what we should’ve taken there… and you think Iupati would be a stretch at #8? The funny part is that I said yesterday (and agree with you) that Oher should’ve been the pick for us… but he wasn’t projected nearly as high as 7 (where we picked)… so you agree with me, but don’t know it. LMFAO.
If you pick the best available player every time, you end up picking top 10 every year. By waiting til 2nd round or later to address your needs, you always get inferior players at the positions that were NEEDS! Oher was taken 23 overall and was projected late 1st round at best. By agreeing that we would’ve been better off taking Oher, you agree with me,but don’t know it.
ADDRESS NEEDS FIRST INSTEAD OF TAKING INFERIOR PLAYERS AT NEEDS AND HAVING GREAT PLAYERS ON YOUR ROSTER THAT YOU CAN’T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF!
February 24th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Armond, I’d rather have a lineman who can give the QB four seconds to drop back than both Fitzgerald AND Boldin. If you think that having a great receiver with OUR line would make us a great team, you’re nuts.
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2006. Randy Moss.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
We don’t need playmakers if they never get a chance to make a play. We need linemen, PERIOD.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
RaiderDebo,
Murphy will only get better, and I could see him moving into the 80+ catch territory. The jury is still out on Schilens because of the injuries, and DHB because of the hands. Miller is a + TE and McFadden may see more time at WR.
The whole idea last year was to take the growing pains, and get the rookie WR’s some playing time. We’ll see this year whether they are starting to develop or not.
Bringing in another rookie WR may only set them back again.
I don’t think there would have be anyway that Minnesota would have drafted Moss without having two veteran WR’s like Carter and Reed to guide him. The Raiders don’t have that situation.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
I’ll say it again, in case you missed it:
I’d rather “reach” and take Iupati at #8 than get a “steal” on Dez and be left with 2nd or 3rd round talent for Linemen.
We have to take the best LINEMAN available when we pick, not the best overall player, regardless of position. Five All-Pro receivers on a roster are worthless with a bad offensive line.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
wattup gilbert? i like mays but we set at that position now. it all depends on this namdi rumor. do we trade him or not? what should we accept if we do trade him? these are legit questions. if we can get a kings ransom for him i say do it. we can fill alot of holes if we do. building up the front 7 and oline with that trade is the reason im thinking about it tho he is a probowler.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
341. They’ve spent high on offensive weapons the last few drafts, now its time to give them them run blocking and protection they need.
And no, I do NOT mean Langston Walker and Khalif Barnes.
Fix the O line please.
Upati is an undisciplined brawler. He’s going to meed time to adjust to the NFL nad has a penchant for BLATANT holding.
Can imagine how that would go over with refs at Oakland games.
First round? Thats a serious stretch.
Then again, so was Mike “WHO?!” Mitchell…
February 24th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Nnamdi, I wasn’t saying that Iupati is who I want. I was saying that I’d rather take him than Dez. At least it addresses a need.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Drafting an OG with The 8th pick is stupid!
Who drafts Gs & Cs in the top ten picks?
February 24th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
I’ll say it again, in case you missed it:
I’d rather “reach” and take Iupati at #8 than get a “steal” on Dez and be left with 2nd or 3rd round talent for Linemen.
We have to take the best LINEMAN available when we pick, not the best overall player, regardless of position. Five All-Pro receivers on a roster are worthless with a bad offensive line.
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Hate to tell you but most NFL linemen aren’t first rounders.
Jets are an exception but with Cable’s ZBS, its hallmark is using smaller faster guys to pull and cut block instead of traditional straight line blocking.
Be interesting to see if they go O line with 8.
I like Trent Williams to fill a need at right tackle and agree with your over all assesment, but Upauti’s not on the table in the 1st.
Do need line help though
February 24th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
I don’t think there would have be anyway that Minnesota would have drafted Moss without having two veteran WR’s like Carter and Reed to guide him. The Raiders don’t have that situation.
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Ain’t that the truth! Still can’t believe we attempted to do it last year. When it was announced that the two rookies were starting, I knew it would be a long year. All I’m saying is that I don’t think we have a true #1 guy. And teams don’t give up their #1 receivers. This could be a golden opportunity to get one of the best ones.
February 24th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
We don’t need playmakers if they never get a chance to make a play. We need linemen, PERIOD.
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Agreed.
Which is why Al will take a DB with the 8th overall.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
actually i havent proved your point. i thought oher was much better than heybey last year. i also thought mack monroe crabtree maclin nicks matthews raji orakpo mauauluga cushing and several others selected after heybey was better than him. i didnt want heybey even in the 3rd round.i always thought that oher was better than given credit for and he proved me right. he was considered the best prospect coming into his senior year and than for some reason the draft freaks marked him down. i saw mack at cal every year and wanted him more considering i feel great c’s are hard to get. so where did i prove your point?
February 24th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Drafting a G or C with the 8th pick is more of a reach than last year.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
I wanted Raji last year, FYI.
You proved my point by even MENTIONING that someone who wasn’t the best available playmaker would have been a good pick. That’s in diametric opposition to your “take the best on the board” position.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Oher was a LT at college, and was drafted as an OT.
It’s not the same with Gs & Cs.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
please show me where i proved your point by saying that x amount of players are better than a guy at a position of need as opposed to overall talent. heybey aint nowhere near the level of guys i named and i missed a few. i dont reach for need over talent especially when that talent is a need. u really mean to say that having a star wr isnt a need on a team that has none? if there is a stud ot and wr then yeah oline is the way to go for us. star wr vs reach oline i go wr. btw im not impressed with iupati. id rather have trent williams that high.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
I never said Iupati was the pick, I said that I’d rather have him than Dez, because at least Iupati addresses a need. He was just an example, that’s all.
I’ll explain it again: You proved my point by putting Oher’s name in the mix rather than saying we should have picked the best player available (Crabtree or Maclin). You proved it because you said earlier that you don’t pass on the best available player to address a need. Even MENTIONING someone other than the best overall player on the board is against what you said before.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
u are hung up on playmaker. im talkin talent period!!heybey wasnt even on my list of guys i wanted. i wanted crab maclin or nick if we went wr. i wanted mack and oher as oline and cush or even ayers on defense. i never said take the playmaker everytime especially if i felt the oline was better. did i ever say take the wr over the oline even if the wr is weaker? come on man do better than that. also both oline and wr was position of need so i would get the best guy of the 2. hell we need playmakers on defense as well. u act as if i only want bryant which i never said.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
armond Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
please show me where i proved your point by saying that x amount of players are better than a guy at a position of need as opposed to overall talent. heybey aint nowhere near the level of guys i named and i missed a few. i dont reach for need over talent especially when that talent is a need. u really mean to say that having a star wr isnt a need on a team that has none? if there is a stud ot and wr then yeah oline is the way to go for us. star wr vs reach oline i go wr. btw im not impressed with iupati. id rather have trent williams that high.
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Ur right on Armond. What do you think about Anthony Davis?
February 24th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Iupati didn’t play well at the SR Bowl.
Why are we even talking about a G when we need an OT?! If we are going to reach for an OL, then I would go with a RT like T Williams or Kyle Calloway.
Anything other than OT or McClain will be a reach or a luxury pick that we can’t afford. ( I think both DTs will be gone)
February 24th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
another thing i also said that it depends on how much better a lesser option is than the next best option. if u go back and read my one of my first posts i said the only way i pass on the best available is if the next best option was around his level. lets do this madden style. wr rating 95 ot 90-93. ill take the oline considering we need it even tho we wr 2. wr rating 95 ot 85-89 im takin wr cuz the dropoff is bigger. i dont care if the next best olineman is that 80+ range that aint good enuff for me at 8 when the wr is better and we need him. reverse that and ofcourse its oline all the way.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
If the best available Lineman when we pick is Calloway… and Dez is still on the board…
We HAVE TO pick Calloway. A great WR is useless if we don’t take the best available linemen in Rds 1 and 2. (if Spikes is still on the board in 2, then MAYBE go LB, but I still would rather have a vet at MLB… pay Dansby whatever it takes!) and then broaden it to best available regardless of need for ONE of our 3rd round picks.
In my opinion, 1st, 2nd, and one of the 3rds should be best available OT, DT, G. NOTHING in the 1st round other than OT or DT. I know that he is a guard, but I was using Iupati as an example… of filling need being better than taking Dez. We shouldn’t address guard until 3rd round.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Maybe the problem is that you think we NEED a WR and I think that we don’t. We have so many needs (OT, DT, G, MLB), that I say we shouldn’t THINK of using one of our first four picks on a WR. All that does is cost us his salary, take away a pick, and leave us with a hole to fill (still). You can’t honestly say that WR is a need over OT, DT, G, and MLB, can you?
February 24th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
If the best available Lineman when we pick is Calloway… and Dez is still on the board…
We HAVE TO pick Calloway
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Wow!! Ready to give up now Armond?? Lol!
February 24th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Armond,
Teams do rate players on the board. Not like Madden, but they do rate them to consider their value.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
You said that we need a playmaker because we’re a team that needs an identity. A playmaker is no good when the lines suck and we can never give the play enough time to develop. It will be a wasted pick. If any of the teams behind us want Dez and he’s on the board, I say we should trade our 1st for their 1st and 2nd/3rd. We need plenty of things more than Dez and those things will help us a lot more than Dez will.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
armond Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
u gotta be kidding me!!!u really think we dont need dez? i agree about oline but u never take the 3rd or worst best option one area over a top 3 overall talent cuz of need especially when #3 overall player does represent a need. unless the 3rd -5th best option is still better than or just beneath that 3rd overall talent i pass on them that early. also do yall really think that dez would be a 3rd or 4th option at wr on this team? thats nuts. wheres my boy jhill to school yall about this?
notice where i said unless that 3rd -5th best option is near the top overall talent? i know what the hell i said man. probably silly of me to suggest 3rd-5th best option can still be better than top 3 overall talent but u get my drift. near the same level at another position then i will pass top 3 talent. ill wait for u to clear what i said up.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Raider OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,has McCLAIN been youre guy all along? Didnt know you were into NYC cops at linebacker,sorry O,couldnt resist a weak attempt at humor! RAIDERS!!!!!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
We can draft Calloway in the 2nd RD!!
We can draft Suh or McCoy if available, McClain, A Davis, R Okung, B Bulaga, or J Haden. In that order.
One of those players should be avaliable at 8.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Armond,
We’ll keep your Madden comparison going.
An 85 OT will help our team more than a 95 WR. If you think that’s a stretch, then you don’t know football. Have you ever played past the H.S. level? Do you understand that “playmakers” don’t win games? Football games are won and lost in the trenches.
Tom Brady isn’t great because of Tom Brady. He’s great because of their offensive line. When he went out, they still made the playoffs and that offensive line made Cassell look like he was worth two 1st rounders. Ask the Chiefs if Cassell is as good as he looked behind the Pats line. We don’t need more “playmakers.” We need LINEMEN.
Here’s an idea for you. Sim an entire season on Madden. Look at the Raiders stats. Then, start over, but trade all our WR’s to the Pats for their WRs and sim again. Check stats. Now start over and keep our WRs, but trade all of our linemen for all of the Pats linemen. Check stats again. Tell me which works better. Make sure injuries are turned off.
The best WR in the game is useless if you can’t get him the ball when you need to.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
u outlined the problem very well. we disagree on wr being a need. what messes u up is u think i say we have to have him no matter what. there are alot of guys i like but i normally wait until FA has cooled off before saying who i want especially that early. who knows what moves we make that will alter what we look like. wr is a need but i COULD do without it for arguments sake, FOR NOW. i really want a tougher oline and a playmaking nasty defense.i do agree with u that our skill guys just need to develope and we can go other ways. i just dont see how u pass up a stud like him if u have him there compared to other options. show me some guys u think are better and ill look them up.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
I have been saying McClain for the last 2 months!
21, 6′4 255+, smart, and runs a sub 4.6.
RAIDERS!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Tom Brady isn’t great because of Tom Brady. He’s great because of their offensive line. When he went out, they still made the playoffs and that offensive line made Cassell look like he was worth two 1st rounders. Ask the Chiefs if Cassell is as good as he looked behind the Pats line. We don’t need more “playmakers.” We need LINEMEN.
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So you agree our porous OL played a huge role in JR’s poor season?
February 24th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
hey debo i dont know much about davis. thats why its hard for me to get 2 caught up into some of these ot’s. i hear sevreal things but not like last years group. i know this should be another good group but ill have to see more before i can say. i know more about bryant and some of these defensive guys cuz i paid more attention to them for the last few years.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
I never said that Dez would the the 3rd WR on our team, so you couldn’t have been talking to me. I said that he’s not a NEED. He would immediately be the #1 or #2 WR, but it wouldn’t do us a damned bit of good without better protection.
Either way, I’m headed to bed. It’s been fun talking to y’all… but it reminded me why I hate draft talk: By the time the draft comes, everything that we’ve discussed will be moot or will be completely disregarded by the whims of Al Davis. The only way to avoid being let down is to hope for Dez, at least that’s more likely than ANYTHING else. Even if Suh and McCoy are still on the board, Al would take Dez.
Good night, all.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Gilbert,
I don’t NYC McClain, but Alabama’s McClain is a stud.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:38 pm
I watched some video of Bulaga.
Not impressed.
He’s got slow feet and reaches with his hands to push DE’s around the corner. I don’t see him being able to get a glove on someone like Dumervil.
I think Trent Williams will shoot up the draft boards after the combine. He seems to be much quicker on his feet.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Tom Brady isn’t great because of Tom Brady. He’s great because of their offensive line. When he went out, they still made the playoffs and that offensive line made Cassell look like he was worth two 1st rounders. Ask the Chiefs if Cassell is as good as he looked behind the Pats line. We don’t need more “playmakers.” We need LINEMEN.
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So you agree our porous OL played a huge role in JR’s poor season?
debo he possibly admit that cuz he would have to rethink how evaluates russell!!hahahah
February 24th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Don’t know…*
February 24th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
Raider O Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Gilbert,
I don’t NYC McClain, but Alabama’s McClain is a stud.
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McLain is over rated.
He’s effective in office towers and airports, but that’s it.
( I couldn’t help it)
February 24th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
debo he possibly admit that cuz he would have to rethink how evaluates russell!!hahahah
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No kidding Armond. Had to try, but he went to bed. That dude cracks me up.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Now I remember McClain. Bruce W movie.
LMAO @Gilbert & ND
February 24th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
tom brady isnt good cuz of tom brady but russell is COMPLETELY bad cuz of russell. yeah and priest is supposed to be the one who changes his story. look at the smartazz football knowledge comment being thrown out again. pass up bryant for calloway, now ive heard it all. a top rated wr on a team that has no true go to wr wouldnt help out more than some pretty good olineman who could be found a round later along with several others like him. yeah pass up clearly the best weapon in his own class for an ot that is in a group of others lesser than the top 2 lineman. yeah and he questions MY KNOWLEDGE!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
i actually used the madden analogy to help u out.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
post 381,lol,NorthernD, I will send O,at some point,the three dvd set that I have,I think OOO Went to scout .com so he could check this guy out,from NYC
February 24th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
one good thing is this combine sheit gets us closer to the draft and we can begin to see the whos who of all this crap. when FA starts next week we can begin to position ourselves for the draft. thats why i dont get into who we should take 100% cuz things change based on your fa signings.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
hey raidero how about this, move seymour inside and sign peppers!!
February 24th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
John Mclain 5′10 190.
Good lateral quickness, but lacks elite top speed.
Is a gritty competitor who will find a way to succeed.
Has a history of not getting along with team mates.
Has a history of foot injuries, though nothing recently.
Likely a later round draft pick or free agent.
February 24th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
armond Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
tom brady isnt good cuz of tom brady but russell is COMPLETELY bad cuz of russell. yeah and priest is supposed to be the one who changes his story. look at the smartazz football knowledge comment being thrown out again. pass up bryant for calloway, now ive heard it all. a top rated wr on a team that has no true go to wr wouldnt help out more than some pretty good olineman who could be found a round later along with several others like him. yeah pass up clearly the best weapon in his own class for an ot that is in a group of others lesser than the top 2 lineman. yeah and he questions MY KNOWLEDGE!!!
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It’s a joke. No QB can elevate a garbage supporting cast. Not even Peyton Manning and I would probably vote for him as the best of all time if someone put a gun to my head. How hard is it for some of these guys to just admit that regardless of all the speculation about his work ethic and leadership, he was in a really bad spot last year? The last team to start two rookie wideouts was the 2000 Bengals with Peter Warrick and Ron Dugans. That team went 4-12 and Akili Smith was on the fast track to bustdom. I would hate to see things go that way for Russell because the Raiders set him up for failure. But I don’t think it will happen. Throughout his career he’s displayed a mental toughness that should get him past the bad times. And unlike me, it appears he could care less what all the haters have to say about him. I love it when he tells it like it is to reporters. He’s a special player and I really want to see him shut his detractors up for good.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
388,Armond,I hope that has crossed ALs mind,a bit surprised hes available.What info am I missing,if any? Guess I need to pay more attention,ah,you fellas are on it,no need Raiders!!!
February 24th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
aw gilbert im just talkin sh!t buddy. i have no clue but u know big al is thinking about it. people complain about all the mohney he spends but fugg it. it aint mine so say spend away.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
RaiderDebo,
I think there are QB’s who can elevate the players around them. Manning being one of them. They are HOF QB’s though.
I went back through the drafts of the Colts since Manning came to town, and they’ve spent almost nothing on O-linemen. They’ve focused on other areas because Manning compensates, and helps the O-line.
The ones that can do that are special QB’s and don’t come around that often.
On the other side, a QB can make his O-line look worse than it is. An example would be David Carr, who hung on to the ball much too long. Even Roethlisberger takes too many sacks because he hangs onto the ball too long.
I think Russell hangs onto the ball too long at times, because the defence takes away his first option and he is not prepared to go to his next option fast enough.
It’s a question of preparation, and knowing what to do under most circumstances. That can be solved through hard work and focus.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
debo i think he will come thru too. he started throwing better as the seaon went on but u could see his confidence was shot. it also didnt help that some mofos started to quit on him. he and the organization set him up for failure but he gotta get thru it.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
northd i agree with all of that. he needs to play faster nore than anything. i aslo dont believe he really trusts all of his wrs except chaz and the te’s and rbs. he got better with screens later in the year but he better be more prepared than anything to be what he can be.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
O Mock Draft 6.0:
1- ILB R McClain
2- OT T Wlliams or B Campbell if available, or Kyle Calloway
3- DT Cam Thomas
3- DE Austen Lane
4- LB Micah Johnson
5- WR Jacoby Ford
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- FB
Goon Night Gents.
RAIDERS!
February 24th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Armond, I agree with everything you and Debo have said about Dez. Anybody that would take Iupati over Dez is a flat out fool. Iupati has great upside and can play several positions along the line but he is a PROJECT!!!…….period
Dez Bryant on day one is our best WR, he is to WR what a Art Shell would be to a LT. Iupati scares the hell outta me his technigue is terrible. That is something he’ll have to correct and it’s severe. There’s a kid out of USC Nick Howell that you can get in rnd 4 to do what Iupati can do right now. Charles Brown a LT from USC is a player who needs to get stronger but he is as good as Sam Baker was coming out he’ll be there in the 2nd rnd no prblem. Sam Young from ND is another RT prospect that can help us who’ll be available in the 3rd IMO. Unless Okung or Bulaga Davis is there at #8 I pass on the Oline. If Dez is anywhere near #8 you’d be crazy not to take him……….period
February 24th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Any new QB will always start out trusting the TE first, then work their way out from there. I was hoping when Miller was hurt in camp, JaMarcus would have developed a better feel for the WR’s but he didn’t.
This will be his last year to make himself a legit QB.
When it comes right down to it, no one else can help him more than he can help himself. It’s all on his shoulders to improve.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Russell is a trooper and you’ll see what I mean. He’s a fighter he had to win his job back at LSU when they were going to start Flynn after spring practice and Russell took the job back and the rest is history.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
u are right d he will have to put it down and i believe he will. russell aint as soft as people think he is. priest the whole point was u dont pass up star power for just another guy just cuz u need him. there are several ots in this draft around the same level but there are no wrs comparable 2 dez. he is considered a top 3 talent and u would pass him up for lesser olineman? that makes no sense especially when we need A wr.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
Armond made the brightest points IMO when he said that Russel must play faster. What that means he neeeds to go through his processions faster and get the ball out quicker. That will reduce sacks, allow for much smoother running offense.
But that only comes with film study and better technigue and it also helps with more reps.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
i dont know much about davis but bulaga does seem really good. whats great about dez is he is a go to wr that makes everyone around him have a role. the reason i didnt like the heybey pick was that i never saw him as THE guy but a complimentary wr. i think he is the perfect compliment to dez. as a matter of fact i see him as an alvin harper type to mike irvin(dez) kind of combo. chaz is always hurt and cant be trusted to stay healthy until he proves it. murphy is your 4th guy and now u have 4 horses for russ similar to his lsu days. add jlh and n miller to go for that wr/kr/pr role and now every1 has a defined role to play. pickup yanda and get an ot in the 2nd or 3rd now u have a young offense with some structure. especially since hue will be calling plays. hell id take gerhardt with one of those 3rd rnders if available to add some power to the running game. the more i think of this the more i like this option.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Let me put it on record, any team that take Iuputi to play LT will be disappointed, I am not saying the guy is bust but he is a work in progress maybe two years before he becomes solid. Here is my wish for the Raiders.
1) McClain if not available, Okung if not Dez Bryant
2) Cody if not, Spikes or Weatherspoon if not, Gilyard
3) Ducasse OT if not, Capers OT if not, Fox OT
3) D’Anthony DT or J Ross NT or L Joseph NT
4) J Jerry OG, R Saffold OG, M Tennant C
5) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah CB/KR or A Spievey CB or J Ford WR/KR
February 24th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Armond
Bulaga has TRex arms just like Gallery, he is solid run blocker and below avg pass blocker which is the opposite with Anthony Davis.
Bruce Campbell or Trent Williams are better options if Okung is gone.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Armond we have gotten sme great Olinman in the mid rnds including Mario, Wiz, Art Shell was a 2nd rnd pick. I will bet that even Iupati will last until the 2nd rnd. If not Charles Brown is a quality OT who can play RT. If you look at Indy’s entire Oline they are mid to late rndrs even UDFA’s like Saturday.
A Dez Bryant is a rare beast and I do mean beast. It may take him a few games but by mid season that guy will be headed towards rookie of the year honors. He doesn’t have good hands he has outstanding hands. 6′2″ 220 and can flat out run. I would bet in the 4.35 range and if he does he’ll go maybe even #2 overall.
February 24th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
I think McLain will be special at MLB or ILB, for whichever team takes him.
I think Bulaga would be a reach at 8, and he may end up over on the right side or at guard in the NFL. I’m leaning towards Trent Williams because of his feet, but I would like to see him run at the combine first. Not for his timed speed, but for his back pedal and to see how smooth a runner he is.
Jason Smith looked very smooth running the 40 last year, which shows good co-ordination and movement agility.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Raider4eve,
While Bulaga does come up short in the reach dept. he is a technician he rarely gets caught off balance and out of position. He is very polished now the reach may have to move him to OG but he still is an outstanding prospect. Jeff Saturday went undrafted for that reason and how many probowls has he been to?
You have to let the film speak for itself and Bulaga is an opening day starter. Maybe not at LT but RT honestly speaking I’m hoping we get a shot at Anthony Davis he reminds me of Ryan Clady. Trent Williams is also a good propect who can come in and help great at pass pro iffy at run blocking. Anyway we should get a quality pick there.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:04 am
i heard about these short arms he has but alot of people think he can switch to rt as well. we need guys who are beasts. i think mcclain and spikes are beasts. toby is a beast. i also think people overlook the kind of swagger these guys have. its important to get guys who already have that juice in them instead of trying to coach it out. thats why i like the mitchell and shawny picks. those guys play angry and thats what dez does. why the hell would i want some ordinary olineman over an arrogant azz kickin wr or mlb? we need more azzholes on this team that expect to WIN. thats why i dont mind trading namdi but only for a kings ransom. im sick of his whining.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:10 am
amen brotha!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:12 am
u know if namdi wants to be traded we should consider it cuz we havent won with him. i would sell the idea hard to the jets but they would have to give me the world. there is no way u let him play with revis and only get a 1rst and a 3rd for him. if something was to go down what would u guys be willing to accept? id want atleast 2 1rsts/3rd /4th or 5th. may seem like much but they would have 2 of the top 3 cbs playing 2gether in the same conference. considering they went to the afc title game with a rookie qb i would have to get more from them. that defense would be too good long term to get just 2 draft picks.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:14 am
armond Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:04 am
i heard about these short arms he has but alot of people think he can switch to rt as well. we need guys who are beasts. i think mcclain and spikes are beasts. toby is a beast. i also think people overlook the kind of swagger these guys have. its important to get guys who already have that juice in them instead of trying to coach it out. thats why i like the mitchell and shawny picks. those guys play angry and thats what dez does. why the hell would i want some ordinary olineman over an arrogant azz kickin wr or mlb? we need more azzholes on this team that expect to WIN. thats why i dont mind trading namdi but only for a kings ransom. im sick of his whining.
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I totally agree with you about Nnamdi. It pisses me off to hear him say JaMarcus was unprepared and that the team will go only as far as he takes them. He needs to shut up and get that defense playing. Why is it that any mistake on offense has to end up with the other team scoring a TD? I don’t care how much JR works, if the D gives up 300 yds rushing like it did to the Jets, we ain’t winnin. Look at the defenders of the Ravens. Have you ever heard one of them even mention an offensive player’s name? They’re excited to take the field under any circumstance and try to win the game. We need guys like that here. As good as Nnamdi is, he just doesn’t bring that to the table.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:19 am
I would want something similar t what the Cowboy’s got for Herschel Walker a king’s ransom. Give me your 1st 5 picks and a big mac sandwich or something like that. We could rebiuld this team with this one draft it would give us 3 picks in the 3rd and this being a very deep draft. I think we could make it work.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:22 am
# Richochet Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.
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Way to go, SeyMoron, lol…you dumbass
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“My own personal opinion if you’ve followed the past few years, I said JaMarcus Russell was the most gifted college quarterback I ever saw” Mayock said.
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“The most gifted college quarterback I ever saw”
“The most gifted college quarterback I ever saw”. You have to repeat that a couple of times. So…..somehow this complete utter troll moron seems to know MORE than the NFL’s OWN ANALYST!! Wow, Wack-O! You are wasting your life being an internet troll. You should be commissioner of the league!
What I want to know is why you people on this blog let this complete bona fide moronic idiot insult YOU! He doesn’t insult me, I kick his flat ass. But he comes in here an insults all of you on a regular basis. Why do you allow him to do that?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:23 am
no he doesnt and hes not a winner either. when the hell have u seen him lead the defense? his attitude is very feminine and im done with him and this revis bullsh!t.i dont say trade him out of spite but only if a team will panic by giving us way too much for him. we can fill alot of holes. one position im never worried about filling is cb. one good thing we do is we develope some good cbs.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Nnamdi complains waaay too much t be making that kind of money. Everybody likes stats but that’s all he cares about when he complains is his stats. You ever heard him complain about us not stopping the run?
Nnamdi needs to lead that defense that’s why he’s getting the money. He’s the highest paid defensive player in the game.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:30 am
yeah i was thinking that same way priest but just wondered if it could work. but hey if u dream dream big. thats exactly what it should take and i hope we sell it that way.oh well somethin to think about, doubt it happens.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:31 am
adios guys!!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Seymour, I didn’t see your post, but plain and simple I never read the guy’s post. So in essence he never insults me. I skip everything he ever says unless I don’t notice it’s from him.
Think about it the guy is obssesed with th epeople in here and he not even a Raider fan. Now that is sick. why waste your time?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:41 am
Richochet Says:
February 24th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
RICHOCHET: Wrong, crossposting tool. Bey did squat in college.
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Let’s actually check the facts:
DHB in College:
One of the nation’s most explosive receivers during his three-year career … has good size and blazing speed … earned freshman All-America honors in 2006 and honorable mention All-America accolades in 2007 … a two-time All-ACC performer … two-time member (2007-08) of the Biletnikoff Award watch list … ranks second in school history in career receiving yards (2,089), third in receptions (138), tied for third in TD catches (13) and tied for sixth in 100-yard receiving games (4) … also 17th in Maryland history in career all-purpose yards (2,403) despite never returning a punt or kickoff … caught at least one pass in 34 of his last 37 career contests … posted 228 receiving yards in his three bowl-game appearances … one of the fastest players in the ACC … his 40 time of 4.23 in 2006 set the school record among WRs … surrendered his final year of eligibility to enter the 2009 NFL Draft … invited to the 2009 NFL Combine.
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The guy was Freshman All American and 2 time All ACC but wacky says DHB did squat in college. The coaches voted him twice All ACC. But hey what these ACC coaches know? Well, Frank Beamer has been to 17 straight Bowl Games and is the 2nd winningest coach behind Joe Paterno. Bobbby Bowden won 12 ACC championships. But hey, what would Bobby know about the ACC? Butch Davis is 44-22 in the ACC. Frank Spaziani has coached in 11 Bowl Games for Boston College. And Randy Shannon? Well, he had a defense ranked in the top 10 in the nation for 7 straight years. What would he know? All these guys must have wacky on speed dial to get his opinion of incoming freshmen prospects. You know Wacky, maybe you could take up a knitting class or something. Football is just NOT your thing.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:43 am
priesttj Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Seymour, I didn’t see your post, but plain and simple I never read the guy’s post
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You know Priesttj, no one does. He is wasting his life here. He should take a baby sitting class. Maybe he could get a job. A real job. One that pays minimum wage.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:26 am
It seems I may have given the wrong impression about JaMarcus earlier. I gave the impression that he actually had a good chance of becoming a quality NFL QB.
Nope. I’d give him 40% chance at best.
His biggest problem?
He’s LAAAAAAAAAZZZZZZZZZZZZZZYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.
That’s a character trait, and very difficult to fix. If he had a bad knee, he could have surgery. If he was dumb, he could study longer. If he had a weak arm, he could time his passes. Most things are correctable, except for laziness.
Is he immature? Ochocinco is immature, but he still works hard at his craft.
Laziness is also infectious. It spreads to those around him like a disease. Soon, the next laziest person next will begin to slack off because they don’t look as lazy in comparison. And so on, and so on…
Coaches and other players will grow tired of trying to motivate and teach at the same time. They will eventually throw that person under the bus, because the effort is too great, and in vain.
They have schools for the blind, deaf, physically impaired, mentally challenged, illiterate, foreign languages. Rehabs centers for drugs, drunks, sexually addicted, germophobes, bad drivers. Ever seen a school for the lazy? No? That’s because it’s a wasted effort.
That’s JaMarcus’ foremost problem. Until he comes to terms with and sets upon a life altering path to change it, he will never become the successful QB he should be. The talent will have been wasted.
February 25th, 2010 at 3:56 am
February 25th, 2010 at 3:58 am
Yep hard to say witch way 2 go until F/A plays out
February 25th, 2010 at 3:58 am
OOOOH NOOOO outta coffee bbl
February 25th, 2010 at 4:21 am
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February 25th, 2010 at 5:20 am
Lady Tomlinson should have worn his helmet with visor so we couldn’t see the mascara running.
February 25th, 2010 at 5:41 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT.S FAN’S,4EVA,NOMOREFARGAS,WERE DO U THINK TOMLINSON WILL LAND,DONT KNOW HOW MUCH HE HAS LEFT IN THE TANK..
February 25th, 2010 at 5:54 am
Dirt-Lot….I dont think he has anything left in the tank but a team such as the Lions or Rams need help everywhere,unlike us who are a DT & MLB away from the play-offs.Of course Grads has to stay healthy 4 that 2 happen,imo….
These young guys we have have hearts like my dog….she’s all heart!
The West MUST be ours this coming year!
February 25th, 2010 at 5:59 am
There’s been rumors that KC may kick the tires on LT. That seems logical since they need someone along with Charles and LT could potentially have a large roll, he’s familiar with the AFC West, and he would have 2 games every year to stick it to SD.
February 25th, 2010 at 6:01 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Not sure of what to think here…LT…could have used his talent about 3 years ago!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:03 am
And I’ve always thought there was more than meets the eye about the way Gradkowski “landed” 2 us.Exhibit A…
Gruden wants to leave,Big Al “lets” him
Jonny Boy’s 1st QB he EVER drafted was Gradkowski
The Glaizers dump Gruden,Gradkowski is released and floats around the league,seems nobody but Gruden believes in this kid even tho he was the highest % passer in Div 1A
While “floating” around nfl, Gradkowski lands in Oakland,seemingly just ready to hit his stride.Talk about perfect timing….
Best thing Jon Gruden ever did 4da Raiders was draft Gradkowski as a Buc
February 25th, 2010 at 6:04 am
From Debo:
Ochocinco said New England’s Tom Brady or Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning would be struggling just as much as Russell in Oakland’s offense
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LOL! Chad Johnson took a swing at then Bungles WR Coach Hue Jackson. this guy is nothing but drama
If we somehow landed Brady or Manning (even 5 years past their prime) and they struggled as much as JaWalrus I’d wash your butt & drink the water …
February 25th, 2010 at 6:11 am
if Russell is a good quarterback, Heyward-Bey is a good receiver and McFadden is a good running back.
oh yeah! and Carlisle & Green are good O-Lineman
February 25th, 2010 at 6:13 am
MIDWEST, GOOD POINT.L.T IN K.C. LIKE MARCUS ALLEN ENDED UP.THEY WUOLD LET OKOYE AND BARRY WORD WORK THE BALL DOWN THE FIELD, GET INSIDE THE 5 YRD LINE , HAND IT 2 MARCUS 4 THE TD.
February 25th, 2010 at 6:14 am
Al Davis is a good owner/GM and Tom Cable is a good Head Coach too
…if Russell is a good quarterback
February 25th, 2010 at 6:14 am
AND Sands was a GREAT DT hahahahahahaaaahahahahahaaahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahaahahhaahahahahahahaahahahahahahaahah
ahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahaahahahaaha
February 25th, 2010 at 6:15 am
Good morning from this side of the pond!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:16 am
I died every time Marcus hopped over the goal-line
February 25th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Christian Okoye & Barry Word?
wow. haven’t heard those names in 17 years!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:16 am
I died every time Marcus hopped over the goal-line as a member of my ALL TIME MOST HATED TEAM the squaws
February 25th, 2010 at 6:17 am
Just the thought of Marcus in red makes my guts flip.
February 25th, 2010 at 6:19 am
I know Neilb,I dont own anything red,or try not to
February 25th, 2010 at 6:20 am
my ALL TIME MOST HATED TEAM the squaws
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4eva: my list goes like this
1. Dungver
2. Sandy Eggo
3. Kansas Pity
4. SF Forty Fairys
5. Boston Teabaggers
February 25th, 2010 at 6:22 am
My local/childhood football team play in red and white stripes,but I still don’t own anything red.
Better dead than red!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:24 am
Add Newcastle Utd to that list and I’m with ya!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:26 am
Neil: you’re not a part of the Toon Army?
February 25th, 2010 at 6:27 am
AAAAAAGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Yeah, that Marcus Allen/Al Davis feud killed me! We had the greatest one two punch possibly ever, and Al and his ego…oh well, we ALL know the rest!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:29 am
Wash your mouth out!!
I’m Sunderland a.k.a a mackem
February 25th, 2010 at 6:29 am
lmao Neilb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A very fine hate list indeed Rockstar!
When I was young the merger hadnt happened yet.It was like the Raiders vs. squaws was like Ali vs Frazier,these 2 teams made each-other better and was the catalyst of the greatness of the NFL,imo
February 25th, 2010 at 6:29 am
for Basketball I always root against:
1. Nets
2. Knicks
3. Celtics
4. Pistons
5. Lakers
February 25th, 2010 at 6:31 am
Hwnrdr…
You never seen “America’s Game” of the ‘83 Raiders ? What Marcus said about Al was interesting stuff.
February 25th, 2010 at 6:32 am
Neil: mackem or magpie ?
February 25th, 2010 at 6:33 am
February 25th, 2010 at 6:35 am
ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) Oakland Raiders coach Tom Cable will not be punished by the NFL after an investigation into allegations of domestic violence against women and a fight with an assistant coach.
By JOSH DUBOW,
AP Sports Writer
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so Cable is 2-0 against the Napa County DA and the NFL.
next challenge? civil lawsuit …
anybody think he’ll go 3-0?
February 25th, 2010 at 6:39 am
last 3 games:
Lakers lost to Boston & Dallas. barely beat lowly Memphis by 1 point at the last second … LOL!
wait and see what happens in April. they are gonna fold like a cheap tent
February 25th, 2010 at 6:39 am
Rockstar….
I’m Sunderland,so it’s mackem.
The only good geordie/mag is Cheryl Cole!
How do you know about mackems and geordies?
February 25th, 2010 at 6:44 am
The winner and still undefeated in the court of law at 3-0 Tom Cable wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
February 25th, 2010 at 6:49 am
The only good geordie/mag is Cheryl Cole!
How do you know about mackems and geordies?
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did you buy her new album “3 words” ?
I had no idea what “Newcastle Utd” was so I googled it. LOL. the rest of the time I was just messin with ya
February 25th, 2010 at 6:50 am
I did Neil, but…after awhile, I tend to forget stuff…my memory is not what it used to be!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:51 am
The winner and still undefeated in the court of law at 3-0 Tom Cable
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Al Davis is his mentor. I guess we should have expected it …
the one thing Al Davis actually is good at!
screwing people over and facing no consequences. haha
February 25th, 2010 at 6:54 am
That’s just mean Rockstar!!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:57 am
Hey Neil…haha! Sorry, had to google it…
“Al Davis said he’s going to get me! He’s trying to devalue me, and stop me from going into the Hall of Fame! He’s just doesn’t want me to play!”
Pretty interesting, but sad stuff!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 6:59 am
Hwnrdr…
The impression I got was that Al was jealous of the attention that Marcus was getting.Like you say…sad stuff.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:04 am
Yup, you know Al HAS TO BE the face of the NFL, Raiders!!! Everyone knew that Chuckie’s time in Oakland was going to be shortened because Gruden’s face was on billboards all down 880! Al did not like that one bit!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:10 am
If hes making money hand over fist,what would it matter who’s face is on the bill-board? I dunno,Big Al has done many kind things for all kinds of people and we prolly dont hear the half of it.Do you really think Big Al wants or needs that drama of thinking about whos face reps the team.I’m almost positive hes got bigger fish 2 fry
February 25th, 2010 at 7:12 am
I’d hope that wasn’t the case 4eva but you just never know.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Hell….if Aunt Ester’s face would move my product,I’d sign her up lol!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:16 am
Ganja Ester lmao!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:18 am
if Aunt Ester’s face would move my product,I’d sign her up
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you mean it isn’t already?
February 25th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Man,she would RUIN yo high
February 25th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Well as Armond says,after F/A we will have a better handle on which way 2 draft,I hope.You never know with Big Al tho
February 25th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Let’s please not put any credence into what Ochocinco says.
How many former players turn out to be good GM’s? And has a former WR ever become an NFL GM? (I’m sure there must be 1 or 2 but I can’t think of them)
WR’s are mostly a bunch of no-nothing drama queens.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Unfortunately, Aunt Esther passed a few years ago. LOL, but…heck, who has rights to sign Aunt Esther’s image! Put her all over 880 with a patch over her eye…!!!
Remember her in the movie “Friday” with Ice Cube and Chris Tucker?
February 25th, 2010 at 7:28 am
Like the suspense is killing me.
Fargas in his last year
What will we do with Bush and Dmac?Dont know much about RB’s after this year so I hope there is room 4 a Toby Gerhardt or Ryan Matthews.That kid from Pitt is a true Freshman so he’s awhile away.
Bush or Dmac MUST step up this year.Who will be the 1?
February 25th, 2010 at 7:29 am
lmao Hwnrdr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:30 am
Trade Dmac for Ice Cube and Chris Tucker!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:31 am
4eva: I fully expect Bush to work on his conditioning and McFadden to work on his ball security this offseason …
I think these 2 guys will be the most improved from last season as a direct result of new OC Hue Jackson
February 25th, 2010 at 7:34 am
I sure hope you are right Rockstar because if either Bush or Dmac dont step it up, we get thin real quick at RB,imo
February 25th, 2010 at 7:35 am
Someone posted that the Tom Brady wouldn’t have been anything if not for the his offensive line.
So I went back in looked at some things. First of all from 2001-2005 (when the won all their Super Bowls) they didn’t draft a single O-lineman in the first 2 rounds. In fact, in 2006 they went crazy on the O-lineman in the draft, (2 of the first 3 picks) and have missed the playoffs two of the 4 years since and not won a Super Bowl. Not saying it is correalated but the fact remains.
And how many different O-lineman have started for Tom Brady since 2002? I stopped counting after about 20.
Yes there is 20 O-lineman, if not more, most of who were mid rounders to late rounders, that made Tom Brady.
LMAO!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Where did Tom Brady go to school again?
February 25th, 2010 at 7:38 am
I’d like to shy away from QB’s , RB’s and WR’s in this draft.
and if at all possible hold off on any CB’s until Round 4 or later.
please build the lines!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:39 am
Vegas…
Please………..let it go my friend!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:41 am
“Trade Dmac for Ice Cube and Chris Tucker!”
And you KNOW this MAYNE!!!!!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:41 am
not only ball security, but D-mac needs to learn to dodge tacklers and not go down the second he’s touched. Hopefully Mr. Jackson can instill these qualities…D-mac’s not too much of old dog yet. Needs to put some muscle on those legs.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:41 am
Brady went to Ann Arbor…he was a Wolverine!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Oh yeah, thanks Hwnrdr.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:44 am
Rockstar,
TOTAL agreement…avoid the temptation of QBs, RBs and WRs…go all out on the lines, and the aforementioned position incumbents can only benefit from that. Plenty of good linemen available in this draft!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Here’s some of the guys who started on the Patriots Super Bowl winning teams:
Tom Ashworth-RT 02-05 UNDRAFTED (has started 36 games)
Dan Koppen – G 03-present 5th rounder (was starting C for 03 Super Bowl winner as a rookie 5th rounder)
Stephen Neal -G 01-present UNDRAFTED (has started 70 games)
Bradon Gorin-T started all of 2004 7th rounder
I could go on for days but you get the point. Yes Matt Light is their best O-lineman and has been around for ever, and was a 2nd round pick. He is the exception not the rule.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Always thought Matt Light was undrafted.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:50 am
2008 Steelers, great D, 1st round picks at TE, QB, WR and a Pro Bowl RB. Terrible O-line, led the NFL sacks allowed, Super Bowl champs.
2009 Packers, 2nd best offense in NFL, terrible O-line, lead the NFL in sacks, scored 40+ points in a playoff game, two 1,000 yard WR’s, and Pro Bowl QB.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:51 am
Drafted with the 48th pick…..looked on the Pats site ( I feel so un-clean now ).
Guess I’m full of sh…
February 25th, 2010 at 7:54 am
lmao @ BO!
February 25th, 2010 at 7:54 am
The late-nighters were lucky I wasn’t in last night to drop some ACTUAL STATS on them.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:55 am
Time for me to go.
Have a great Thursday everyone.
February 25th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Trade DMAC for some ACTUAL STATS!
February 25th, 2010 at 8:01 am
U 2 Neilb!!!!!!!!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 8:08 am
morning all..
Vegas I still want Oline with our draft picks.. The meaner the better. C & RT RG
February 25th, 2010 at 8:09 am
chores bbl Ntion
February 25th, 2010 at 8:11 am
I want some O-liners in our draft as well, 408.
My point is that this whole “build the lines through the draft” is just waaaaaayy-off.
Teams build their O-lines through the draft…..with 5th rounders.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:13 am
avoid the temptation of QBs, RBs and WRs…go all out on the lines, and the aforementioned position incumbents can only benefit from that. Plenty of good linemen available in this draft!
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well said Maine. I’d like to go OT & DT in the first 2 rounds. maybe grab a center & guard in Round 3. Round 4 we take a hammerhead bulldozer FB. Round 5 can be spent on CB’s and/or KR’s. no picks in Round 6. Round 7 take the best available at any position.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:17 am
please let me clarify. when I say “OT & DT in the first 2 rounds” it doesn’t necessarily have to be in that order.
I’d love to take Suh or McCoy (pipe dream). But I’d be more than happy with Williams or Price at #8
February 25th, 2010 at 8:21 am
Looking back on how OT’s have panned out in the first round, I have come up with this probability:
Looking at the 5 for sure OT’s in the first (Okung, T Williams, Campbell, A Davis, and Bualaga)
One will be a Pro Bowler, two will be above average, one will be average at best, and one guy will be out of the league in 4 years or less.
My guess, Campbell will be the flop, Okung will be the stud, A Davis will be average, and Bualaga and T Williams will be above average.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:24 am
Vegas
Im good with that just so long as we address C RT RG.. 1st pick or last it doesn’t matter. 4 the record we could have had Mack last year. Wouldn’t you of rather had him than DHB?
February 25th, 2010 at 8:30 am
Looking back on how OT’s have panned out in the first round, I have come up with this probability:
One will be a Pro Bowler, two will be above average, one will be average at best, and one guy will be out of the league in 4 years or less.
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Vegas: how would you rate the 2004 draft?
Top 5 OL taken –
1. Robert Gallery (Oakland)
2. Shawn Andrews (Philly)
3. Vernon Carey (Miami)
4. Chris Snee (NYG)
5. Jake Grove (Oakland)
If you’re talking about OT’s only just sub in Jacob Rogers (Dallas, 2nd round) & Max Starks (Pittsburg, 3rd round) for Snee and Grove …
February 25th, 2010 at 8:37 am
OT’s taken ahead of Mario Henderson in 2007 –
Joe Thomas
Levi Brown
Joe Staley
Tony Ugoh
James Marten (LOL!)
Ryan Harris
Marshal Yanda
after him?
Doug Free & Jermon Bushrod
where does “Super Mario” rate along with these 9 guys?
February 25th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Garbagekowski is the best thing John G did for the Raiders!!
4eva,
You are losing it bro!! He is a backup at best!!
Only you people think a 6th/ 7th RD pick who was released from 2 different teams that need QB help can be our savior.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:43 am
GarbageKowski will be our QB, he can do it, he wasdrafted by John G, and he he works hard!
You people are crazy!
February 25th, 2010 at 8:47 am
“Only you people think a 6th/ 7th RD pick who was released from 2 different teams that need QB help can be our savior.”
“You people are crazy!”
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YOU PEOPLE x2. you owe FL Pete some serious dough!
February 25th, 2010 at 8:48 am
This whole “he was released by 2 teams is nonsense”.
How many teams did Sam Adams play for? I think it was 6. Ted Washington? 7.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Shaq & Dwight Howard are nicknamed “Superman” in the NBA.
Bruce Gradkowski & Mike Bush are nicknamed “Superman” in the NFL.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Rockstar,
You can pick any draft, and get the 1st 5 OT’s taken, Guards and Centers seem to have less of bust stigma, and you will always find at least one HUMONGOUS FLOP.
Mario would make the top 6 of that list, IMO.
Off to go sell. These old fcks better not die on me!!! At least wait 60 days so I can get paid!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 8:52 am
GarbageKowski is a joke.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Good Morning Crew!
February 25th, 2010 at 8:54 am
One last one before I go….
The Browns have taken O-line in the first round 2 of the last 3 years, both are REALLY good……and they are drafting ahead of us this year, again.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am
just because guys leave via free agency doesn’t mean that they have no value. check out the Super Bowl Saints who weren’t drafted by New Orleans!
Remi Ayodele
Mike Bell
Drew Brees
Heath Evans
Scott Fujita
Randall Gay
Johnathan Goodwin
Jabari Greer
Anthony Hargrove
Bobby McCray
Scott Shanle
Darren Sharper
Jeremy Shockey
Paul Spicer
David Thomas
Jon Vilma
February 25th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Vegas,
It’s not the same with QBs.
You don’t release a QB who can play in the NFL. You trade them.
QBs have a lot more value than NTs!! No one releases a QB who can play, but they trade them.
February 25th, 2010 at 8:58 am
1st rd pick should be someone who can help us cut down on those big runs we seem to give up every game. Big Runs for TDs where guys aer going UNTOUCHED.
Untouched = bad LB play to me.
Untouched? Where are the LBs?
February 25th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Morning Nation.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:00 am
However, on the flip side the Colts almost have NOBODY on the roster that wasn’t drafted by them.
besides kickers Stover & Vinatieri …
February 25th, 2010 at 9:00 am
I agree with you O …
We do not need to be talking about the Gradkowski “era” in any way shape or form. Dude is a backup, plain and simple.
Losman or drafting Bradford should be the talk, not let’s play Bruce.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Jhill: are you trying to provoke my man crush on Morrison & Howard?
haha. just kiddin’
February 25th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Are there ANY good QB’s throwing at the combine this year ???
February 25th, 2010 at 9:04 am
RR,
LMAO
I thought Huff was your man crush.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Latest team transactions. Few O-linemen that could possibly help.
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/transactions
February 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am
I don’t luke any QBs this year.
The only QB I may want to add is a FA. J Campbell. I would sign him to a 1 year deal, if He plays well & JR doesn’t improve, then we give him a 5 year contract next year, and cut JR.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Totally agree with Armond on the Dez Bryant thing. I think Chris in NY is on board with this too, although it would surprise me to see us go WR.
Dez Bryant would START for us and be the best WR we have by mid season, if not sooner!
February 25th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Shaunessy needs to see the field more next season. He’s a gamer and has a chance to be really good player.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:10 am
The Combine….I so exicited!!! I’m as wet as a girl would be on her first time!
February 25th, 2010 at 9:10 am
LMAO
I thought Huff was your man crush.
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that was LAST year. everybody knows how good Huff is this year. DC Marshall and SS Branch made a big difference imo
this year i’m backing KM & TH and lobbying for a real NT!
last year I was ok with Warren/Kelly as starters with a new DC to see if Rob Ryan was solely to blame for the poor run defense. I was wrong. I admit that. We don’t have the personnel, even with the additions of Ellis, Seymour & Shaughnessy on the DL last year. NT must be addressed
I think McClain & Spikes are good players and I know you’re a big fan of Spoon. I just don’t think these guys would make a difference with the same awful play by humpty & dumpty in the middle of the D-Line.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:12 am
What do you guys think of Micah Johnson?
February 25th, 2010 at 9:13 am
RRS,
I actually like Howard, and think he should stay. Morrison at MLB? He just stands out to me as part of the problem the way Russell stands out to you.
I wish you could view these videos so we could comment directly on these big runs. Bad DT play should not lead to guys running untouched for big yards on a regular basis. Bad DT play should equal 5 or 6 yard gains, maybe 10 with the MLB eventually showing up. Untouched though?
February 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am
The only QB I may want to add is a FA. J Campbell. I would sign him to a 1 year deal, if He plays well & JR doesn’t improve, then we give him a 5 year contract next year, and cut JR.
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Shanny said he’s keeping Campbell. they’ll slap a tender on him and have him compete with whoever they draft as the new “franchise QB”. Probably Bradford
if JC steps it up this year and keeps Bradford on the bench they can always tag & trade the vet like the Falcons did with Matt Schaub
February 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am
DMAC,
I think Shaugnessy will start for us next year.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:15 am
I totally agree Jhill. 5,6, or even 7 yards, but not those loooooooong runs untouched.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:17 am
I hope so. Things are looking bright for this kid. Looks like he has a great work ethic too and can learn lots from ellis and Seymour.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Gradkowski = Garbagekowski?
Um, sorry I guys I beg to differ.
The guy is professsional and prepared.
The team rallied around him.
He was accurate.
He was clutch.
He had ice water in his veins.
He overcame how many deficits in the 4th quarter of that Steeler game?
He made our receivers look like they belong in the NFL.
His mom makes a mean casserole.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Jhill, teams are not letting NT’s get away this offseason. why is that?
Vince Wilfork, Aubrayo Franklin, Casey Hampton & Ryan Pickett all tagged!
Marvin Lewis even wants to keep Tank Johnson!
Tony Brown (Titans) is the only guy out there and he’s a restricted FA. I doubt TN lets him walk either.
I would argue that NT is the most important position on defense. If you can’t stop the run, what good is a shutdown corner? teams don’t have to throw the ball!
February 25th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Didn’t Grad finish that first half of the Redskin game with TWO MCL tears?
Submitting for approval of the Nation:
Gangstakowski.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Meanwhile Karlos Dansby is free to walk. Giants cut Antonio Pierce. Colts letting Gary Brackett test the market.
RFA’s Barrett Ruud & DeMeco Ryans still out there …
February 25th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Having mentioned Russell, the Raiders currently have a member of their staff hanging out with him on a regular basis, even during the offseason. It’s unfair to call this person a spy, but it’s not that far removed. Also, although Russell has denied it each of the past two years, a source close to him said he was more than 300 pounds in each of the past offseasons, doing his best to drop weight about three weeks before camp.
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This is HILARIOUS to me! And WELL the fugg past due. About time an employee gets treated like and employee.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
We got Gradkowski as he is hitting is stride.Hes the best QB since Gannon,imo.I truely believe Grads will have a break-out year.He just has all the intangibles to me,not the rocket arm but still he can zipp it.He missed a few lat year,his 4th in the nfl.But to just come in and LIFT the whole team the way he did,well I haven’t seen a QB do that in Oakland since Gannon.Gradkowski will be better than Gannon when its all said and done,imo
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
RR,
I agree with you 100%. you can put Rey in there and we will not improve till we fix the DT issue.
I like Cam Thomas in the 3rd.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
The name Gradkowski always reminds me of Lebowski.
So lets just call him The Dude.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
RRS is right. NTs are such a commoditiy that no one lets them walk. Moreso in a 34, but in general they are the centerpieces of a defense.
We don’t have a true NT.
Its a shame we don’t go 34. Kelly and Seymour at LE and RE with a beast up the middle.
Morrison, Howard, Scott and ________ would be a better fit in that scheme than a 43.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
I don’t disagree with you on the need to upgrade Warren. Warren is going into year 11 and it’s time to replace him.
But untouched is my point. Untouched means bad reads and angles by the LBs. I mean, not even a rule change to flag football stops those plays. That is NOT on the DTs. Maybe the first 5-10 yds, but that’s about it. And not to make light of those 5-10 yds at all. That IS an issue. But giving up points on those untouched plays is a bigger issue, IMO.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Jhill,
It’s a double edge sword.
If the DTs did their job, then LBs would not be blocked by OL.
If the LBs did their job, didn’t miss tackles, then that will help make the DTs look better.
We need DTs & LBs.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:32 am
LA,
I wouldn’t call the guy Garbage. He’s a good backup.
He was accurate? Really?
Made our WRs look like they belong in the NFL? Which ones?
He had some hometown karma in that 4th qtr man, lol. I’ll just leave it at that. That karma didn’t translate to any other games.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:34 am
I agree with you 100%. you can put Rey in there and we will not improve till we fix the DT issue.
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Sorry, but I got to disagree w/ you on this one. So you’re telling me a Lewis, Willis, Urlacher, Ryans etc. on the team, won’t help the run d?????
February 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am
Jhill: if or when Warren/Kelly get taken out of the play and Morrison is met by an UNTOUCHED RB with a full head of steam or even sometimes a fullback he’s already in a position to fail imo.
Especially if his assignment on that play is to cover a TE or move to the opposite direction
Remember the first game against Denver they had Capt Kirk matched up with Brandon Marshall in a goal line situation.
that didn’t make you scratch your head? why was he covering thier #1? and why was Sam Williams trying to cover Jason Witten on Thanksgiving?
I could go on & on, but I won’t because we’ve already discussed this before and we’re both pretty firm on our positions …
February 25th, 2010 at 9:37 am
This is a good draft for DL, and OL in the 1st 3 RDs!!
We need to take advantage of that!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 9:38 am
LOL, O
DMACs right on this one. Rey Lewis wouldn’t upgrade our MLB situation? Heck Rey Maulauga would have been head and shoulders better.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:41 am
here is the responsibility as I see it regarding the Run D.
1- DC play calling
2- DL
3- LB
4- DB
if the first two aren’t working most likely the 3rd won’t either …
February 25th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Jhill,
How much time did he really have to shine?
He was solid in the Cincy game and showed a lot of intestinal (sp?) fortitiude in each game he played.
I wish he had more of an opportunity for playing time.
The bottom line is he had almost as many yards as Russell in less than half the starts and more TDs.
The only reason there’s an argument is because he didn’t get the reps.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Remember the first game against Denver they had Capt Kirk matched up with Brandon Marshall in a goal line situation.
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Yeah, that was pretty ridiculous.
If Morrison actually “met” the untouched RB in the hole, disadvantage or not he slows him down for his teammates. But being completely out of the play? I also question the S support in fairness to Kirk.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Don’t forget who’s usually the QB on the D. (LB)
February 25th, 2010 at 9:43 am
DMAC,
We finished as 1 of the worse teams against the Run. 28th or 29th (I forgot), so adding a PB LB will help, but he is not going to make it a top 15 unit.
Rey was crying for DTs after they lost Fat Boy and Sam Adams, so they drafted nagata and we drafteg a G!!!! Gallery
February 25th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Jhill
Specifically Murphy.
Gradkowski’s ball placement allowed Murphy to attack the ball.
Schillens looked pretty nice as well.
Come to think of it, didn’t JLH have his best game with Grad throwing the ball where it could actually be caught (or caught w/o having one’s head removed)?
February 25th, 2010 at 9:45 am
You guys using Russell as a measuring stick to how good Gradkowski is is HILARIOUS! NIETHER of them were worth talking about. Bring back Andrew Walter!
Solid in the Cincy game? 100 yds passing before the last drive man. Thank goodness Joseph dropped the gift pick Grads gave to him on that last drive, lol.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Worst*
I Know V Wilfurk was drafted same year as Gallery, but I’m not so sure about Nagata.
Jhill,
Improve a few spots: yes.
Improve to a top 15-20: NO
February 25th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Thank goodness Joseph dropped the gift pick Grads gave to him on that last drive, lol.
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how many dropped INT’s could Russell have thrown?
I counted at least 5 in the first 2 games alone…
February 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am
IMO, Howard and Capt. Kirk are pretty good in pass coverage, but are bad against the run. Remember a few years ago they both had all those int’s in a season. What has happen to that? The answer is easy….
Teams noticed a weakness in their game and attacked it, week after week.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am
There are more pressing needs than QB on this team.
If you fortify the O Line, give Grad a chance to start week one and I think he would show you some things.
I’m not saying he’s the franchise QB, but I am saying we already drafted one of those in 07 and he sucks (understatement of the century).
We could start over this year and waste another 1st rounder or we could play it safe and grab a guy like LaFevour or Pike in the later rounds and allow him to develop while Grad gets a shot.
Remember Gannon was a journeyman no one thought would amount to much?
I certainly didn’t think he was All Pro material, but it was his leadership that got him there. All the intangibles.
4eva has a point. He reminds me of Gannon in that way.
Maybe not quite as firely but that anecdote where he got in Henderson’s face and Henderson was like ‘oh, my bad, you da man.’? That’s what I’m talking about.
Russell doesn’t have the confidence in himself to get in someone’s face like that.
He sulks.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:50 am
LA,
Murphy didn’t look good opening night? Did Russell throw the ball too hard to him on that pass he dropped at half time, lol?
Schillens looked good catching the ball from Russell to win the game against Denver too, right? And didn’t he catch about 5 balls from Russell in the last game?
No argument here that Chaz looked good. Wish he would’ve been starting for Russell too. Might have made a difference.
JLH didn’t play after week 1 for Russell, did he? Took the big hit on opening night. the play right before the TD bomb to murphy. And Grads got JLH killed in that 4th qtr of the pittsburgh game too, right?
February 25th, 2010 at 9:51 am
how many dropped INT’s could Russell have thrown?
I counted at least 5 in the first 2 games alone…
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So, like I said, they BOTH were bad.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:51 am
The comparison to Russell has to be there as he is our starting QB and currently the only one under contract.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:51 am
News flash folks….Ngata does not play NT. Hasn’t in years.
Kelly Gregg is the NT for the Ravens and has been so for 10 years.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:52 am
This is Football & not BBall.
One man can’t carry the entire team like Jordan or James. QBs can really help a team, but they can’t do it alone.
1/5 is not the same as 1/11!
February 25th, 2010 at 9:52 am
How can you say Grad was bad?
Both were bad?
Grad was serviceable and at times brilliant.
Russell was nauseating. And I was one of his last supporters.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Gregg was placed on season-ending injured reserve on October 8, 2008 after he underwent microfracture surgery on his left knee. The team signed defensive tackle Brandon McKinney to replace him on the roster.
Gregg returned in 2009 and put in a strong year. He had 63 tackles (46 solo) and 3 sacks.
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Even when Gregg was injured in 2008, they went with an undrafted McKinney at NT.
Ngata is a DE. A big ass one, but he doesn’t play in the middle, except on some passing downs.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Murphy didn’t look good opening night? Did Russell throw the ball too hard to him on that pass he dropped at half time, lol?
After half-assing that route on Russell’s first INT.
Then he disappeared because Al told Cable to get DHB involved.
Not Murphy’s fault obviously, but his confidence was so low after the Houston game he NEEDED Grad to get him going IMO.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Vegas,
He plays END in a 3-4 scheme. He is 6′4 330, but he is a freak who can play every position @ the DL in both schemes.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:56 am
“Murphy didn’t look good opening night? Did Russell throw the ball too hard to him on that pass he dropped at half time, lol?”
That was a catch.
If it wasn’t then there a re a few WRs on other teams that need to have a few recalled.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Just telling you O, when you said Ray Lewis was screaming for a NT, he never got one!!
The same guy has been starting there since 2000.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:57 am
LA,
The issue to me is solving the QB situation. Not who is the most popular.
Gradkowski has a role of this team, IMO. Ideally, that role would be as a backup. He reminds me more of Jeff Garcia than he does Rich Gannon. And regardless, we don’t have Hall of Fame WRs playing with him like those 2 guys had. Jerry Rice and TO? Tim Brown and Jerry Rice? Where is the young 3rd WRs in Jerry Porter or a young Ronald Curry?
He’s too short and fumbles at the same rate that Russell does. Fiery is good and all that. For a backup. Coach in training type guy.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:57 am
“Schillens looked good catching the ball from Russell to win the game against Denver too, right? And didn’t he catch about 5 balls from Russell in the last game?”
And then threw him under the bus in the locker room after 2 awful plays to essential lose the game…. again.
February 25th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Trade Nnamdi for Ngata!
They need a CB, and we need Ngata!
February 25th, 2010 at 9:58 am
You guys are silly. Gradkowski is the best QB we are likely to have on the roster next season, unless Losman surprises.
His production in college shows he can move the ball. Haclett clearly knew him and wanted him in Oakland. Maybe he can grow into a first-class, Gannon type QB. If so, it will take a better running game, more experienced receivers, and a stronger O-line.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:00 am
“And regardless, we don’t have Hall of Fame WRs playing with him like those 2 guys had. Jerry Rice and TO? Tim Brown and Jerry Rice? Where is the young 3rd WRs in Jerry Porter or a young Ronald Curry?”
No disagreement from me there. At all.
But Al did want to get a year under these youngster’s belts. That was obvious. It was trial by fire for a very young offense as a whole in 09.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Jhill,
Again, just promise me the hating stops right before kickoff of week 1.
Because Bruce WILL BE starting that game.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Vegas,
He didn’t get a NT, but he got Ngata!
That’s much better than just a NT! LOL
I would take Ngata over Wilfork and Hampton! He plays all downs, and he is a Freak!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:01 am
So you’re telling me that Murphy half assed the route that led to the first pick ..
Disappeared because the coach wanted to feature another WR ..
And had a rdiculously bad game against Houston.
You concede all that …
So how does Russell factor in to any of that?
The funniest thing I heard ALL YEAR was Murphy saying “I didn’t even know we could come to work on Tuesday!”
February 25th, 2010 at 10:02 am
“Trade Nnamdi for Ngata!”
Or we could keep Nnamdi and draft our own talent.
Adam Schefter and the like really think that Al is willing to trade one of his pet projects?
Al would have tagged Nnamdi in 09 and either let him walk or tag him again this year and trade him.
Al LOVES shutdown CBs.
He wants Nnamdi’s bust in the Hall as Raider.
I am virtually certain of this.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:04 am
O,
I love Ngata, just setting the facts straight!!
BTW, I would trade Nmamdi for Ngata in a second. I would throw in a 3rd rounder just to get it done.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:04 am
“So you’re telling me that Murphy half assed the route that led to the first pick ..
Disappeared because the coach wanted to feature another WR ..
And had a rdiculously bad game against Houston.
You concede all that …
So how does Russell factor in to any of that?”
My point is that after all that, which is not really on Russell, Murphy needed a real QB to shine. That is on Russell, as I doubt Murph would have gotten the opportunity.
He was in the toilet until he was reenergized in Pittsburgh.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Gradkowski is the best QB we are likely to have on the roster next season, unless Losman surprises.
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you’ve given up on D-Smooth already?
February 25th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Murphy half-assed the opening night INT, so I would blame him.
You know who I wouldn’t blame for that INT….the O-line!!!
There wasn’t a guy within 5 yards of Russell.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:05 am
“Disappeared because the coach wanted to feature another WR ..”
Don’t fool yourself. Cable sat DHB when he was healthy enough to play.
Al wanted to feature him.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:05 am
And then threw him under the bus in the locker room after 2 awful plays to essential lose the game…. again.
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But him and Chaz looked like a good QB/WR combo, right or wrong?
Too bad Henderson completely missed his block allowing Russell to get hit from behind while trying to dump off to the FB. You know, the exact same 2 things happened to Tom Brady the following week against the Ravens. Suggs hit Brady from behind and caused a fumble. Brady got pressure up the middle and threw the same pick, lol.
Chaz is just mad he didn’t get an invite to Vegas on the G4.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:07 am
I like Nnamdi too!
Trade our 1st RD pick and a 3rd for Ngata!
Ngata, Seymour, and Nnamdi on the same team! Let me dream.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:07 am
“Chaz is just mad he didn’t get an invite to Vegas on the G4.”
LOL.
Seriously, though you’re point is valid. The O line sucked but I think they played worse with Russell in there, as if they were quitting on him. Not neccecarily on that play or that game, but in general as the year progressed.
That’s why Chaz was training w/ Garcia in the offseason not Russell.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:08 am
I can’t believe JaMarcus still has so many supporters.
BSJ posted that article yesterday…
Amy Trask went to go visit him at SeaWorld. She asked him to take a paycut and he attacked her!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:08 am
“I like Nnamdi too!
Trade our 1st RD pick and a 3rd for Ngata!
Ngata, Seymour, and Nnamdi on the same team! Let me dream.”
Down with that I suppose.
BBL Nation.
To be continued Jhill. I’ll be back with a tale from the Dark Side.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:09 am
LA,
CMON man. Remember that strike to Murphy is the KC game that was called back due to penalty? Right after the DHB drop in the end zone.
Murphy was just a 4th rd rookie going thru rookie struggles. Started in the NO game in the preseason. Bruce played how many games with Murphy before the Pittsburgh game?
February 25th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Vegas,
You are just mad cause I’m talking crap about your boy GarbageKowski!
lol
February 25th, 2010 at 10:11 am
if Danny Southwick isn’t the starting QB next year i’m certainly not going to purchase season tickets!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:11 am
The Wintern is the reason Gradkowski may shine next year…
February 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Trade Dmac for some silly!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Run D possibly solved??????????
Sign Vanden Bosch. Move Seymour to DT. Draft McClain.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
will anybody pick up LaFat Jordan?
It would be cool if he went to SD or KC!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am
The only trade proposal that I like is……..
Trade DMAC for Marshawn Lynch.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Vegas,
Ignore the Suckeye fan. He thinks Joe Germaine is better than Grads too…
And don’t get me going on Art Schlichter.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Jhill,
The Brady and Russell fumbles against the Ravens were completely different.
Brady got stripped the moment he finished his dropback. Russell had enough time, and a pocket, to step up in the pocket, which he did.
Russell had a lot more time to throw the ball than Brady did.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am
I would like 2C Gradkowski start at least the 1 st 9 games….I’m sure his record would be better than 2-7….6-3 most likely
February 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
LMFAO @ 592 RR!!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
DMAC,
McFelldown is so bad, he helps our defense by getting injured. Trade him for Lynch, or trade him for lunch. Just trade him.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Run D possibly solved??????????
Sign Vanden Bosch. Move Seymour to DT. Draft McClain.
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Seymour = UT
Kelly = UT
Warren = UT
Bryant = UT
NT’s on the roster = none. Sands was a flop
draft one! there are none left in free agency!
KVB isn’t needed. We got Ellis & Shaughnessy even if Seymour does play a handful of downs at DT …
February 25th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Lunch and Lynch huh????
I like that one!
LMAO
February 25th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Trade DMAC for Grady Jackson.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Bo,
Stop stealing our talent!! Get your own!
I forgot! The ghetto state needs help!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Seaturds tagged kicker Olindo Mare.
LOL. Pete Carroll is off to a good start!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:18 am
A better offense would improve our run D.
How many NT’s do the Colts have?
February 25th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Trade MICH for a Chris Webber timeout!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Joe Germaine, LOL.
I remember his game-winning drive in the Rose Bowl to steal Jake the Snake’s glory.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Uh you want to tag your kicker if you absolutely have to tag someone because its the least expensive position Einstein.
The Steelers did it too I suppose they are “Off to a good start” as well?
February 25th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Put JamRuss behind Shell, Upshaw, Otto, Wiz and Kennedy in their prime — and give him Branch Bilitnikoff and Casper to throw to — and while we’re at it, give him Marcus Allen and BoJax to hand it off to…..
And he’d still SUCK.
That’s how freaking bad Russell is.
He’s the most innacurate NFL QB I’ve ever seen.
And he’s as dumb as a rock.
Don’t know how he graduated from LSU or scammed his way through the Wonderlic.
Watching and listening to JaMoron stammer through interviews…reading his incomprehensible, incoherent statements to the press…
There is no doubt — JR is a certified MORON.
How can any Raider fan want this POS to be the face of the franchise ?
We can sit here and argue about who the Raids should draft – what’s the best way to rebuild the team…but the greatest addition the Raids can make is one of subtraction.
DUMP RUSSELL.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am
People in Mich steal talent from Ohio and money from the car industry!
It’s a sickness of self entitlement!
The OSU > mich
February 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am
This whole idea of Bruce getting lucky from dropped INT’s makes me crazy. DB’s drop INT’s all the time, every week.
I watch the Bengals-49ers Super Bowl replay a few weeks ago. On the 2nd to last 49ers TD (not the Taylor one but to Rice) Joe Montana threw a pass that hit the Bengals DB between both numbers, hit all 10 of his fingers and maybe his elbows as well. He dropped it, next play, TD to Rice.
Good players take advantage of the opportunities other teams give them.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:25 am
You know Vegas, we can always go to the video, lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8xL2XT8te8
On the first pick, Henderson gets beat, notice Russell getting up off the ground, lol?
2nd turnover Henderson get schooled again. Russell is going through his reads, and turns to drop the ball off to a wide open RB and gets hit from behind.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Let me quote Florio from the PFT site:
“The move entitles Mare to a one-year guaranteed contract worth $2.814 million, if he accepts the tender. Given that the Raiders are now giving kicker Sebastian Janikowski $4 million per year on a four-year deal, the decision makes plenty of sense.”
February 25th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Trade MICH for Charles Woodson’s turf toe.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:28 am
At the working docking station, J, so can’t view the clip.
But I will later today and we can go from there.
I do remember the INT he was under pressure. Still a bad decision, but I’m not going to hang him out to dry on that one.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:29 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzNnLFlqLqU
and then Brady … Notice him bouncing in the pocket getting ready to fire a pass?
Same thing man!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Carr picks off Brady the same way the LB did the week before. QBs didn’t see the guy because of the pressure.
LMFAO!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Ok Vegas …
And the QB shouldn’t be giving the DBs do many opportunities to get INTs man. You like to reference Manning. I don’t see him or Brees giving the DBs those opportunities.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Found out why JR ended up in Az, after a brief stint at Santa Monica….
Everytime he laid down at the beach, a group of people would congregate, and try and push him back in the water.
That didn’t bother him as much as some kid who kept throwing water on him, to keep him cooled down….
He still ate the 12 pack of soggy hotdogs…but still…
Arizona..here I come.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Trade the entire state of mich to Canada for a TON White Gold aka Sugar!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:37 am
People in Mich steal talent from Ohio and money from the car industry!
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Splain por favor.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:39 am
O, you have an Ohio inferiority complex.
There is no such thing as stealing talent. If the player is good enough, he takes the first train outta Nohio.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Almuerzo!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Trade Michigan to Canada for Pam Anderson!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 10:45 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Al LOVES shutdown CBs.
He wants Nnamdi’s bust in the Hall as Raider.
I am virtually certain of this.
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Nnamdi? Hall of Fame?
Never happen.
He’s not feared..he’s just always been better than the guy on the other side of the field.
While he’s not thrown at a lot, there were more than a few big plays completed to his guy, including game deciding TD’s.
It’s not like Nnamdi has made a ton of awesome plays that gets everyone’s attention, which is what’s needed over the course of a players career to get a nod into the hall.
don’t see it happening.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:47 am
Trade Michigan to Mexico for Ingrid Martz
and Ohio to Canada for Elishia Cuthbert
http://theryancokeexperience.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/elisha-cuthbert1.jpg
February 25th, 2010 at 10:52 am
# RAIDERMAN99 Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Put JamRuss behind Shell, Upshaw, Otto, Wiz and Kennedy in their prime — and give him Branch Bilitnikoff and Casper to throw to — and while we’re at it, give him Marcus Allen and BoJax to hand it off to…..
And he’d still SUCK.
That’s how freaking bad Russell is.
He’s the most innacurate NFL QB I’ve ever seen.
And he’s as dumb as a rock.
Don’t know how he graduated from LSU or scammed his way through the Wonderlic.
Watching and listening to JaMoron stammer through interviews…reading his incomprehensible, incoherent statements to the press…
There is no doubt — JR is a certified MORON.
How can any Raider fan want this POS to be the face of the franchise ?
We can sit here and argue about who the Raids should draft – what’s the best way to rebuild the team…but the greatest addition the Raids can make is one of subtraction.
DUMP RUSSELL.
…….
LOL! Best post I’ve read here in several days.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Ricky makes a good point.
Usually the guys that make the HOF have glorious stats.
Except for O-Lineman. They make it on reputation (sort of like the Pro Bowl).
the glorious stat for CB’s is INT’s.
first 3 years Nnamdi had ZERO. Last 3 years Nnamdi had 3 (1 per season). 2006 was his big hoorah.
this doesn’t mean N21 is an average or even overrated player. Just simply gets overlooked by everybody except the opposing QB
February 25th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Ah, ric, I get it – that’s a joke! Very clever, you compared jamarcus to a beached whale. Totally hilarious, I hope it doesn’t go over too many heads.
I know its your first attempt at humor on the blog, normally you just get your little self all worked up into a manic frenzy with cut and pasting and silly little emoticons, but a few tips to help you out (because I’m cool) -
1) i know you’re on a constant quest to impress me and earn my respect, but its obvious when you’re trying to hard. just ease back, little dude. there you go … excellent!
2) when your hands shake uncontrollably out of nervousness when you type, it means you’re simply NOT up to the task. don’t worry – this happens to a lot of my would-be minions when they’re around me. usually an inhaler will help – but not always!
And speaking of nervous little dudes, where the heck has my pal Charged Down been? if anyone talks to him, let him know i’ve got a sweet new cover for FingerForce 5.
February 25th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Luci,
I don’t think Mare or Reed are good enough kickers to earn tag money for 1 season, but you’re certainly entitled to your own opinion (or in this case PFT’s)
February 25th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Free Agent Kickers:
Neil Rackers
Shayne Graham
Stephen Gostkowski
Dan Carpenter
Jay Feely
Garrett Hartley
Matt Prater
Shaun Suisham
No need to tag a kicker like Mare or Reed and pay them $2.8 million for 1 year of service
Al Davis is the only owner in sports who would ever even consider handing $4 million per season to a friggin kicker so please don’t include that in your argument. I’m sure you’ll have one!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Beeych
Have you EVER had a football take.
You stalk here everyday just to post your lame little love letters?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:08 am
hey Kell,
whats your take on Al Davis?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:09 am
RR
I know you love me and my liberal ways so you chose at times to not read my posts….but what I said was it wasn’t a dumb move to franchise your kicker…..I didn’t say I liked either kicker just that it wasn’t a dumb business move.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:09 am
RRS
You funny! Hehehehehe.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Where’d all the Bruce Gradkowski guys go? I’d love to review the “film” on this guy. Maybe I missed something?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:12 am
RR….now you know better than to bait that old goat with the “Tell us how you feel about Al Davis” line….I would bet my nutsack the senile old man posts 5 times in the next hour our record over the last 8 years.
And in doing so KK will bust a hemorrhoids and crap his adult diapers 6 times.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:14 am
why do a bunch of posters on here always talk about reviewing film?
what exactly are you talking about?
you record all the games on DVR/Tivo and keep them from Jan thru August to rewatch in case somebody makes a stupid comment on an internet blog so you can try to prove them wrong?
please explain. I’m sure I probably have that wrong
February 25th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I’ll take a rain check J.
I am eager to review the film
February 25th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Kell: when Tom Cable was hired he compared the Raiders of football to the Celtics of basketball & the Yankees of baseball.
what do you think about those comparisons?
fairly accurate?
way off?
what are your thoughts?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Oh yeah Luci,
I will bring the conversation back to where it belongs. Whether the Al Davis Idolaters like it or not.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:19 am
“why do a bunch of posters on here always talk about reviewing film”
They are ADD RR and what they really mean is Youtube videos!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:19 am
The highlight clips we post a link to RRS.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Krappy, you sure are worked up today and you haven’t even taken your mid-day nap!
Now Krappy, pay close attention, you old goat – I have repeatedly offered to discuss any football related topic you please – on the condition that if I do, you will never again post the Raiders win/loss record over the past 7 years.
But each time you’ve either 1) run away in fear to crap your pants in a corner 2) realized your brain is too confused to engage in a normal “human” discussion with an awesome dude or 3) known you’re not enough of a man to put your favorite stat on the line.
The offer is still there, old Krap Krap – now will you go and run away like you’ve done every other time before or will you finally step up to the plate?
The blog dorks are waiting for your answer, Krappy!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:20 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 11:14 am
why do a bunch of posters on here always talk about reviewing film?
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Lol. You know the deal, the semantics are designed to portray a level of knowledge greater than (yours)
February 25th, 2010 at 11:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 11:17
Kell: when Tom Cable was hired he compared the Raiders of football to the Celtics of basketball & the Yankees of baseball.
what do you think about those comparisons?
fairly accurate?
way off?
what are your thoughts?
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In a nutshell those statements were designed to play to Al Davis’ ego.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:23 am
LOL, Kell …
Yeah, I’ve got my tea and crumpets going right now. I guess you guys missed the “s around the word film, lol.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:24 am
The highlight films actually give us something concrete to talk about.
Besides the you know, Jamarcus is turning the corner, the O-line is to blame, no Al Davis is to blame, no Tom CAble is to blame, rhetoric that goes around and around in circles all day.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Dont worry Vegas….its just #2 throwing into a crowd of 5 Ravens….it should have been picked off and it was
February 25th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Beeych
I ignore those long love letters you write to me, already.
If you want to get my attention, you’d better be succinct, ok?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Exactly Vegas!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:26 am
4eva
Brady’s # is 12 man!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Beeecham
you know that old fart has one line he posts every day for the many years I have been posting in here.
If he had to think of something else to write it might damage those last two marbles he has clunking around in that empty head of his.
Some things you can set your clock by and the daily posting of our record over the last 8 years by Crappy is one of them.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:29 am
LOL
February 25th, 2010 at 11:31 am
666
I know its too early 662 but I am leaving to lunch now so I had to do it.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:32 am
are the full games on YouTube or just the highlights from SportsCenter?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:33 am
Jhill….Brady sure put on a lot of weight and something else just isnt right either lol
February 25th, 2010 at 11:34 am
With the combine underway, I’ve narrowed my wish list to Dez Bryant, a MLB, or a DT in that order.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Russell has thrown 18 TD’s over the past 3 seasons.
some JR fan could get a short clip of each one and make it into a few minutes highlight with a song playing in the background and make him out to be a real machine.
then when you watch the full game you see him for what he really is …
you guys know what i’m getting at? very misleading
February 25th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Krappy, of all the pathetic ways you’ve ran away from my offer in the past, this is your most embarrassing one yet.
Claiming you can barely read? Really, Krappy. We all know how low you insist on sinking, but this is beyond ridiculous, even for you!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:37 am
RRS,
The specific plays in question are there. The 2 turnovers in the Balt game by Russell, for example. The same 2 turnovers for Brady the following week. It’s the entire play with a pause button and the ability to fast forward and rewind.
We can look at the big run by Ray Rice in that game and see WTF Kirk is doing or if the DT is getting pushed 5 yds back.
Like Vegas said, takes us out of the my opinion vs your opinion to a degree.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:38 am
no wonder you guys say I know so little about football.
my works blocks YouTube!!!
LOL
February 25th, 2010 at 11:39 am
some JR fan could get a short clip of each one and make it into a few minutes highlight with a song playing in the background and make him out to be a real machine.
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LOL!
No these are from the NFL Network.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Beeych
That’s better at least. Boy, when I was your age, I was out doing things.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:40 am
666, we all know the old goat is FAR too afraid to agree to something that would put his 1 cherished fact in jeopardy.
And we also know he is incapable of engaging in any kind of discussion that might actually reach a conclusion.
Krappy is like one of those mental patients who spends his whole life trying to fit a triangle into a square hole.
But it sure is fun watching the old buzzard melt down while trying to think up excuses!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:41 am
the NFL Network posts full Raider games on YouTube?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:43 am
RRS
Post a link, please. I didn’t know that.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Beeych
You and Doofus, 666, Oakglenn, can suk my dk, ok?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:45 am
post a link?
Kell, I was asking a question!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Sorry.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:48 am
The highlights and analysis from the game RRS. The exact same thing that runs on their post game show.
Cmon man, it’s not that hard.
You want to talk about his 17 turnovers, the entire play is there. What does the incomplete pass 3 plays prior to the specific play in question have to do with anything?
Same with Morrison vs DT argument. video evidence man.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Krappy’s excuses for not taking my offer:
1) I can’t read read
2) Give me oral sex
Honestly, if I didn’t see it for myself, I would have trouble believing it.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:52 am
And Krappy, let’s not do the “exotic locations I’ve been to in the Navy” bit again.
We all know you’ve been an old deranged pant crapper posing as a real estate broker since you were 17.
The difference is back then, you lived in a dishwasher box. Now you’ve moved on up to a 1 Bd apartment in the sky.
Or in Alameda. Close enough, huh Krap?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:54 am
so you go to YouTube and watch highlights and analysis from every Raider game over the past 3 years?
and that video evidence suggests JaMarcus Russell isn’t to blame for his struggles?
and that video evidence suggests that Kirk Morrison is more to blame for the bad run defense than Gerard Warren the past 3 seasons?
Is that you case you’re making Jhill?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Cmon man, it’s not that hard.
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Jhill: don’t get frustrated. obviously I haven’t watched highlights and analysis from every Raider game on YouTube or I wouldn’t be asking you these questions …
Just trying to find out what exactly it is that i’m missing out on!
February 25th, 2010 at 11:57 am
so you go to YouTube and watch highlights and analysis from every Raider game over the past 3 years?
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If we need to. The game isn’t on right now, so outside of just sticking with your OPINION vs. my OPINION, why not pull up some footage of the play in question?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Beeych
Although, I live better than you by a longshot, Raider Fans come here to talk Raiders. Nobody’s interested in me, ok?
Al Davis is 29-83 and putting together ANOTHER Roster.
February 25th, 2010 at 11:58 am
and that video evidence suggests JaMarcus Russell isn’t to blame for his struggles?
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What do you mean by “his struggles”?
February 25th, 2010 at 11:59 am
and that video evidence suggests that Kirk Morrison is more to blame for the bad run defense than Gerard Warren the past 3 seasons?
Is that you case you’re making Jhill?
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I wouldn’t say that. But the specific big plays we were talking about last year? Yes sir!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
Beeych
KoolKell is NOT the issue here.
Al Davis’ putting together another Roster is.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
don’t get frustrated.
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You mean and start calling people MORONS and other names?
No one’s asked me to take a coffee break, lol!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Al Davis is 29-83 and putting together ANOTHER Roster.
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But we should have made the playoffs last year. If only Gradkowski had started from day one, or the other guy Garcia who Al also signed. Too bad Garcia quit, and Grads got both knees broken.
We are about to turn the corner man!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RRS
Post a link, please.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
http://hotbiscuits.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/071008-walrus-04.jpg
there ya go BSJ
February 25th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
the Danchise
http://imageofsport.hosted.photocore.us/image/thumb/250-250/3754853.jpg
February 25th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Passing Game Coordinator Ted Tollner showing Tom Cable how many consecutive incomplete passes JaMarcus threw
http://imageofsport.hosted.photocore.us/image/3975513
February 25th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
You mean and start calling people MORONS and other names?
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when have I ever called you a moron Jhill?
show me …
February 25th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Krappy, you weird old freak, the issue is you post the same tired stats month after month and make no attempt to offer a solution.
It’s like a little girl crying to her mom about her period messing up her pretty dress every month but refusing to use a tampon.
If you’re so serious about talking Raiders, put your money where you mouth is and take me up on my offer.
Don’t worry, we all know you’ll run away and hide under the Raider’s win/loss stat.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
What do you mean by “his struggles”?
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QB struggles = incomplete passes, interceptions, fumbles, etc.
your “film study” showed that JaMarcus Russell isn’t to blame for any of those things. correct?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Beeych
*yawn*
February 25th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
“It’s like a little girl crying to her mom about her period messing up her pretty dress every month but refusing to use a tampon.”
SB: yikes man! haha
do you have to use word pictures like that?
gross…
February 25th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Jhill,
You, sir, are a moron.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I made that up. lol.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
So back at home, watched the youtube clips for Jamarcus and Brady and I will concede to JHill on that one.
I remembered the play by Russell, but I thought Brady had less time to throw than he actually did. Great plays both defenses, two whiffs by LT’s, and both QB’s need to get rid of the ball quicker.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
And Kirk Morrison blows.
Watched those Ravens highlights, and some plays he doesn’t get blocked at all, and also doesn’t put a finger on the RB.
Name me another MLB who does that consistantly??
February 25th, 2010 at 12:24 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Beeych
That’s better at least. Boy, when I was your age, I was out doing things.
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yeah, but now that you are a “successful” realtor, you can spend almost all of your time on an internet site trolling. Suuuure. You must be a top notch agent.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 12th, 2010 at 8:26 am
Rockstar seems to think he will win the RT spot
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find where I have ever said that clown
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Clown, ignorant, etc …
LOL, you were pretty “frustrated” the Friday before Valentine’s day.
Nervous anticipation maybe?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
LOL. nice try BSJ!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
and both QB’s need to get rid of the ball quicker.
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LMFAO!
I thought you conceded?
How about the OT make a block instead of whiffing?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Vegas I love the link you put up for the highlights to the Dallas game. At one point the NFL Network Analyst says during a TD pass to Austin Collie:
“Why is that Raider defender just standing there?”
Jamie Dukes then says, “He must be waiting to get blocked.”
Sure enough a Dallas blocker comes up, cleans out the Raider and Collie waltzes in for the score. Weak sauce.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Jhill: you said I called you a moron
I didn’t.
Just admit you were wrong and we’ll move on …
February 25th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
LOL Vegas,
Agree on Morrison. Can’t wait for RRS to see the “film” and see what his take is.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Welll……the QB’s were 3rd on the blame list, OT 2nd.
Plenty of blame to go around, on any play.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Seymour Bush/Oakglenn/Beeycham/Doofus Boob/Einsteen,
The issue here on this Raider blog is not KoolKell.
The issue here is Al Davis and the Raiders, ok?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Look @ Mich Fans!!
The schools steals talent and their Fans LIE!
Liars & thieves !!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Ok RRS, you were right.
You finally got one, lol!
Should have just said …
You mean and start calling people CLOWNS and other names?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Jhill : read post #696
i’m still waiting …
don’t try to change the subject to my boy Kirk. LOL
everybody knows he’s on the Rockstar scholarship program
February 25th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
KoolKell, if you wanted the focus to be on Davis and not you, you wouldn’t try so hard to irritate people with repetitive, mundane posts.
You are like MR. You need abuse to reinforce your lack of self worth.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
The only good thing about much is the Middle Eastern food, but we can get that from Chicago.
Trade Mich to Canada for Pam and a kilo of Sugar.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I was once a huge Morrison fan, and once a proud Jamarcus Russell jersey wearer as well, but I’m over both.
Sorry Kirk, love the East Bay ties and all, wish you luck, but our D needs better than you.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
BSJ: you asked for links and I gave them to you!
now you post a link before I get all Ted Nugent on you …
February 25th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Raider Nohio,
THE University of Michigan is the winningest Div. 1 football team ever. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Can’t we just hate both states?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
For you RRS,
http://www.bizarrerecords.com/galleries/stars/varJimmyCarter.jpg
February 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Bo
My posts are 90% related to the efficacy of Al Davis.
Why? Because he’s the fukking boss!
Refute my statements, otherwise stfu.
If some of you want to make happy talk all day, I suggest a Booster Club blog.
I’m not happy with the losing. I will NOT shut-up.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Is this KK’s wife? I never checked his site…
http://daveoxton.com/wp-content/uploads/carter.jpg
February 25th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Bo,
I lived in Columbus for 4 years. If I was an Ohio native, I would invade Mich and use Mich Fans for cheap labor.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
KK, once again:
You need abuse to reinforce your lack of self worth.
Refute that.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Jimmy Carter?
puuuke…
February 25th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
# Senior Beeecham Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Ah, ric, I get it – that’s a joke! Very clever, you compared jamarcus to a beached whale. Totally hilarious, I hope it doesn’t go over too many heads.
I know its your first attempt at humor on the blog, normally you just get your little self all worked up into a manic frenzy with cut and pasting and silly little emoticons, but a few tips to help you out (because I’m cool) -
1) i know you’re on a constant quest to impress me and earn my respect, but its obvious when you’re trying to hard. just ease back, little dude. there you go … excellent!
RICHOCHET: Now how cute are you, Lil Beyotch? “Talk to me, Richo…TALK TO ME…MAKE ME FEEL SPECIAL.”
Interesting..and sad that your sorry inept ass takes a generic post from yours truly, and wants to assume it’s directed at you?
You obsess much, little man? lol…I mean seriously.
Why is it that the meekest and weakest on the board believe that posting ignorant crap such as “you want to impress me” masks the fact that they’re an idiot?
Any idea on that?
no, no, little man…replying back the same just makes you look even more pathetic.
hey…I understand..I exposed your degenerate ass as being a skat freak. Deal with it, little man.
Oh..as far as you stating you’ll hang in any discussion regarding the raiders?
I’m your huckleberry, little man…
Well? What? You going to post some lame ass crap fetish take that you hope diverts from the fact I just challenged your ass to put up or shut up?
Going to pretend you can’t read?
Again, ShyteLover..my guarantee is I’ll torch you on any subject regarding the Raiders, or FOOTBALL in general, that you so choose.
Well, Skatboy?? lol…come on..think of something to say that doesn’t make you look like a whining tool…I’ll wait.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Michigan is Pakistan West and Ohio has Cleveland.
Mayor Kirkpatrick or Kucinich? Pick your poison.
Both colleges have preppy fans who wear sweater-vests, and have super over-rated college football programs.
How come we don’t trade states anymore? I want to go back to the days of buying and selling countries/states.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Jhill spent Valentine’s Day with his wife & sister…
http://www.eduwonk.com/uploaded_images/clown-719358.jpg
February 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Greatest Prez in my lifetime, so far…
February 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
That is what happens when you steal talent by offernig Extra Benefits!
The OSU program is ethical!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Krappy, why don’t you just email Al his team’s stats over the last 7 years?
I’m sure he’ll read that and immediately fire himself and reorganize the front office to your liking.
Man, you sure are kooky, old timer!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
KK, once again:
You need abuse to reinforce your lack of self worth.
Refute that.
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I don’t understand your point. But,
Oakglenn
Beecham
Doofus Boob
Einsteen
I don’t count
February 25th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
# vegas raider Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I was once a huge Morrison fan, and once a proud Jamarcus Russell jersey wearer as well, but I’m over both.
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Wow.
“proud” JR jersey wearer?
how so?
Couldn’t have lasted long..
February 25th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
I want to work a 3 country trade.
We give Michigan and Ohio to Canada, Canada trades Newfoundland and Saskatchawaan’s expiring contract to Europe, and we get Portugal.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Little Beech???
Cat got your tongue?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Senior Beeecham Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Krappy, why don’t you just email Al his team’s stats over the last 7 years?
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Sure, Do you have his email address?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Jhill : read post #696
i’m still waiting …
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Didn’t see that, sorry.
No, it proved what Vegas conceded to. Did you catch that. The topic was INTs and fumbles.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Both colleges have preppy fans who wear sweater-vests, and have super over-rated college football programs.
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BS. No preppies in Ann Arbor. More the hippie types, if anything. You are uninformed.
Tressell is a preppie, and the Larry Craig of the NCAA if you know what I mean.
And Kucinich is DA MAN!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Is this KK’s wife? I never checked his site…
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LOL! and she’s actually in a good mood in that pic?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Seymour Bush/Oakglenn/Beeycham/Doofus Boob/Einsteen,
The issue here on this Raider blog is not KoolKell.
The issue here is Al Davis and the Raiders, ok?
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Come on dude…you post the same repetitive take, knowing it’s going to warrant comments..then you state “don’t reply to it”??
February 25th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Extra Benefits? RichRod just practiced too long and a Ohio boy complained (then transferred to OSU).
February 25th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Richochet,
In this past offseason (my B-day) the wife told me to go pick out a jersey. I was thinking a Lincecum jersey, but I had to order it. So I got a black #2 instead.
I took me awhile to start my hatred for Jamarcus. About week 3 last year was when I hoped aboard that bandwagon. After the Steelers game, I can on here and said who wants to pay for postage and you can have my jersey.
I ended up mailing it to 504 Raider.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
Vegas,
I hope your clients kick the bucket on Day 59!!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Raider Nohio,
THE University of Michigan is the winningest Div. 1 football team ever. Learn it. Live it. Love it.
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You left out “No shirts, no shoes……noooo service”
February 25th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
No, it proved what Vegas conceded to. Did you catch that. The topic was INTs and fumbles.
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WHAT?
Vegas is a Bruce fan.
please answer the question using your own opinion.
thanks
February 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Vegas…
I recall that.
I suspect Ebay wouldn’t have gotten you much…
February 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Richochet
Getting lectured by you on blog etiquette is not convincing.
How about somebody I respect?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
what was the question again?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
I ended up mailing it to 504 Raider.
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Vegas:
you could have sold it to Jhill or Debo for 1k !
February 25th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
repost:
What do you mean by “his struggles”?
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QB struggles = incomplete passes, interceptions, fumbles, etc.
your “film study” showed that JaMarcus Russell isn’t to blame for any of those things. correct?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
KoolKell,
Please post a link.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
you could have sold it to Jhill or Debo for 1k !
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hardee har har!
Incredibly funny!
Woooooooooo woooooooo!
February 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
It took a few hours to unload. Not as many Russell takers after Bruce’s epic walk on water performance in Pittsburgh.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Bo Schembechler is rollin’ in his grave knowing that you voted for a MORON like Jimmy Carter …
JC was the Darren McFadden of Presidents
February 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
In fact I posted my e-mail, and only got 2 takers.
504 and some dude from Memphis who said he would he could give it to some kids in the neighberhood. No BS
February 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
ints and fumbles, yes.
incompletions, no.
etc, no.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
We see not preppies!
We hard working farmers!!
Go see Mich for lazy people with HS diplomas who feel entitled to 60K+ a year because they work at a car factory. We can have monkeys do their jobs, and they killed the car industry in the US.
February 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Jhill –
it’s funny to assume that you would buy a Russell jersey?
WHY ???
February 25th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:54
KoolKell,
Please post a link.
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Here you go, Bo:
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/117194-nfls-least-valuable-franchise-is?cnn=yes
Forbes magazine, famous for its rich lists, just came out with its evaluations of the 32 NFL teams. No surprise, Jerry Jones’ Dallas Cowboys tops the list with a current value of $1.65 billion. Only two NFL teams are unprofitable: the Seattle Seahawks, who lost $2.4 million, and the biggest loser of them all, the Oakland Raiders. Al Davis’ once wondrous franchise is now the least valuable NFL club at a “mere” $797 million, plus the Raiders had the biggest operating loss in the league at $5.7 million.
Los Angeles Times
February 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Al Davis lost revenue because his franchise is located in the armpit of the western US.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Ahahahahah! Lil ricochet, seeing you get all worked up and your panties in a bunch is priceless! I had no idea you took your job of trying to be my minion so seriously.
Oh, the joy …
But you should really be careful, being that you’re a little dude pretending to be some big angry ol internet tough guy. I’m sure there are some dudes in your office who’d love to slap the office weakling around in the bathroom if they knew he was talking mean on a football blog.
I can just see your nervous little hands shaking now at the thought of it! How priceless and adorable you are, my small, frightened little pal!
Now since you are trying so hard and basically on your knees begging for my attention, I’ll allow you enjoy the same offer as good ol Krappy.
But please try and calm down those shaking, pale hands of yours! We don’t want you chipping a nail on the company keyboard!
Ahahahaha! How priceless you are, my minion in training!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Jhill: if the fumbles and interceptions weren’t his fault he’d have 18 TD’s and 0 turnovers in 3 NFL seasons.
so why did he get benched? completion percentage alone?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Richochet
Getting lectured by you on blog etiquette is not convincing.
How about somebody I respect?
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And that would be nobody…at least not in these neck of the woods.
You’re like a glutton for punishment, too damn stupid to stay out of your own way.
And you just don’t get it.
You post that lameass web page, that reeks of insecurity. The fact you took it down AFTER I informed you of it shows you’re not as stupid as you look…but..hell..how ignorant are you?
On a realtor page? You post that for prospective clients to look at? Top of someone’s head? Ignorant.
Stating ‘I have a cool corvette? ignorant, insecure, and unprofessional as hell.
Wife is surveying? Lol…you moron…she’s SIGHTSEEING, YOU FOOL..and stating “this is where we’re going to build”?
You sound like a child with that stupid crap..and you’re too damn slow to figure it out?
and again, because you are slow…posting the same ignorant stat gets you WHAT YOU WANT…ATTENTION.
You scream out for attention…see above regarding INSECURITY. (yes, saying ‘I can’t believe a kid from oakland can say that” was stupid…I’ll ask again…SAY WHAT? WHAT IMPRESSED YOU? You actually think buying property, (IF YOU ACTUALLY DID, WHICH MY MONEY SAYS YOU LIE) IS a major accomplishment? Undeveloped land, in no where, Switzerland? I’m sorry..guess I must have missed the memo where Switz was the place to move to..as did everyone else.
And yeah..running that lame ass ‘I’ve done things you’ll never do’?? Bull..I suspect you’ve done no more or less than anyone your age..went on a few vacations..whooopeeee..what a guy. Went to Switz? Gosh..life time goal..no doubt..
So what?
You’re a realtor with no clients.
At your age, being in realty all those years, and NOT being a broker? means you failed, big time.
And yes, you being on this board nonstop..all day…and many a night? Says you have NO BUSINESS..and obviously NOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR WIFE..
I stop in and out..you live here.
Now…quick…post a stat…beats the hell out of actually thinking of a reply that makes sense.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
YOU PEOPLE:
Jimmy Carter = Darren McFadden
PERIOD!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Al Davis lost revenue because his franchise is located in the armpit of the western US.
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All you’re capable of is juvenile humor.
The Raiders lost money because, they are the laughingstock of the NFL, and they have the oldest dinkiest stadium in the league.
Bo Chimp Jackson, you’re so lacking in substance.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
He got benched because he is a knucklehead.
We all say the KC first half, if he played like that all year we might have been a .500 team.
Someone in Raiderland had enough, and pulled the plug. Bruce almost pulled that one out too, if DHB would have just dropped the ball instead of knocking it in the air, Bruce would have delivered.
We all know it.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Mich Fans and Players are preppies! Look at Tom Brady!!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
I remain unprovoked. Serenity is mine.
Oh, and Jimmy Carter is a lot harder to tackle than DMAC. Still.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Richochet, Beeych
If you want me or anybody else to read your posts, be succinct.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
If the Raiders were located somewhere you could eat out without being robbed, Al Davis would be a double billionaire. Shoulda stayed in LA.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
# Senior Beeecham Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Ahahahahah! Lil ricochet, seeing you get all worked up and your panties in a bunch is priceless! I had no idea you took your job of trying to be my minion so seriously.
Oh, the joy …
But you should really be careful, being that you’re a little dude pretending to be some big angry ol internet tough guy. I’m sure there are some dudes in your office who’d love to slap the office weakling around in the bathroom if they knew he was talking mean on a football blog.
I can just see your nervous little hands shaking now at the thought of it! How priceless and adorable you are, my small, frightened little pal!
Now since you are trying so hard and basically on your knees begging for my attention, I’ll allow you enjoy the same offer as good ol Krappy.
But please try and calm down those shaking, pale hands of yours! We don’t want you chipping a nail on the company keyboard!
Ahahahaha! How priceless you are, my minion in training!
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I’m sorry…is that you’re attempt at waving the white flag?
I just challenged your sorry ass to what you challenged Kell to..ANY DISCUSSION REGARDING THE RAIDERS..PAST, PRESENT,..letting YOU pick the topic.
and all you can do is soil yourself, as you hope the above covers up that you just bowed out, tail between legs?
Can you even spell Raiders?
Again, little man…whenever you borrow someone’s balls, try me.
No, no..that’s not an invitation for you to post the same ignorant crap. Between you and Kell it’s hard to tell who’s more void of thought.
Tell you what..you just post “I admit..I’m full of crap. I wouldn’t last 5 minutes in a discussion with you regarding the Raiders, or pretty much anything” and I’ll not keep challenging you, and embarrassing you.
Anything other than that…for fun? I’ll keep watching ya squirm…ok, lil fella?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
And Richochet
Quite frankly, I don’t care what you think. I made that clear when I first started posting on this blog.
I’m not here to date you mfkrs.
I’m here to shine the light on Al Davis.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Don’t Michigan fans where those ultra-preppy looking Stripped Rugby sweaters.
Do you have one BSJ?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Richochet, Beeych
If you want me or anybody else to read your posts, be succinct.
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Nice try, loser…but you read…squirmed, much like Lil Beech is..attempting to conjure up an original thought..and decided, wisely, THAT THERE WASN’T WORD ONE YOU COULD REFUTE.
BTW..if someone just crapped down my neck..like I just did yours? The last thing I would do is meekly bow out, accepting it as fact..IF IT WASN’T FACT.
The fact you did as you did? lol…seals it.
Oh..BTW…everyone already knew it.
I just detailed it..that’s all.
Now..pretend you aren’t embarrassed, ok?
lmao that two of the weakest here, you and beech, have a hardon for each other.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
And Richochet
Quite frankly, I don’t care what you think. I made that clear when I first started posting on this blog.
I’m not here to date you mfkrs.
I’m here to shine the light on Al Davis.
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OF COURSE YOU CARE, lol…who the hell do you think you’re kidding?
you POST all that crap about what you did..where you go..went..saw..saying how others haven’t done this or that…including “I can do whatever I want”…hell…EVERYTHING ABOUT YOUR POST SCREAMS I WANT ACCEPTANCE..and yes..screams ‘I’m INSECURE AS HELL”.
Hell, dude, NO ONE WHO DOESN’T CARE WOULD BOTHER TO STATE ALL THAT..it’s just backfiring on ya..because you’re too damn stupid to realize it.
You just don’t know when to shut up..and that’s a fact..and you bring it on yourself.
now…pretend ‘I don’t care’..and we’ll pretend we believe ya
February 25th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Don’t Michigan fans where those ultra-preppy looking Stripped Rugby sweaters.
Do you have one BSJ?
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I assume you meant striped? And no, thats probably the band. They do wear a lot of maize and blue, but Ann Arbor is definately not preppie. Basically it is the Berkeley of the midwest. Pot is a $5 ticket, and they have a great “hash bash” every summer.
Columbus, however, is where the hillbilles shoot target practice at cars on the freeway.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Richochet
That’s one thing I agree with Doofus Boob on, your posts are unreadable.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Hmmm…so much for Lil Beech, lol.
Wait..I see him….running….going over the top of the hill…tail between legs.
Oh well.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Just screwing with you a little BSJ.
With, what over 100K people at the college, they probably have a little of everything. Including crappy weather.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Richochet
That’s one thing I agree with Doofus Boob on, your posts are unreadable.
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Of COURSE they are..lol.
Again..you are too stupid to realize when to shut up
Soooo
I’ll just break it down, on a regular basis, POINT BY POINT, on individual post?
how’s that, pumpkin?
then you can pretend you can’t follow along on just ONE sentence? lol…yeah..that works.
Multiple squirming..for the price of one.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:19 pm
KK,
If someone is making the case that Al Davis is the lamest GM/owner in the NFL, the first example to cite is returning his franchise to the most crime infested, economically devastated dungheap west of the Mississippi.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Kelli?
Can you tell me why a “massively successful realtor” who’s been in the business for decades, is but a lowly realtor, exact same status as someone who walked in the door in the last year, and NOT a broker?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Just screwing with you a little BSJ.
With, what over 100K people at the college, they probably have a little of everything. Including crappy weather.
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Mucho bad weather.
The whole town of Ann Arbor wouldn’t even fill the stadium yet they have had sellouts for 30+ years running. I would live there if I could.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Kelli?
you stated you can do whatever you want, at this stage of your career…
Can you tell me why you have but one listing?
Is that a sign of success, or stuggling?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Richochet
Can you tell me why Al Davis, 29-83 with Double-Digit losing seasons for the last 7 years, is qualified to be General Manager?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Richochet
Can you tell me why Al Davis, 29-83 with Double-Digit losing seasons for the last 7 years, is qualified to be General Manager?
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He’s not. Always said he wasn’t.
If anything YOU jumped on my comments…see, unlike you, I can actually detail Al’s mistakes.
You?
You wait for others to post, then copy their material.
Hey Kelli, what’s your wife think about you being on this blog, morning, noon and night…hour after hour after hour?
You ever..like…wave to her?
Wait.
Are you two together still?
I suspect not.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Unreadable. lol.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Mich is a state of hillbillies that produced a guy like Kid Rock!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Al Davis has had 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years.
Any, you guys are breathless over his draft this spring?????????
February 25th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
KK,
Can you tell me why Oakland, with a murder rate that is 3.5X the natl. average, is qualified to have an NFL franchise?
Why does a city where, according to Cosby, “parents have failed to inculcate proper standards of moral behavior” deserve to host a team with a national spotlight?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/29/BAB712KI0T.DTL&hw=takeover+robberies+oakland&sn=003&sc=377
February 25th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
Can’t wait for it KoolKell. It’s on PrimeTime Thursday night this year.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Mucho unemployment is more like it!!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Al Davis has had 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years.
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how many are you suggesting we would have had without him?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Yes, we are ashamed of Kid Rock. Eminem too. And Madonna.
But Motown was the shizzit!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Bo
If you know another municipality who wants Al Davis and the Raiders, I suggest you write him a letter, ok?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
We gave you people Jack Tatum!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
Oscar Goodman would gladly take them!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Kell:
Al Davis has 3 Super Bowl trophies over the past 35 years.
How many are you suggesting we would have had without him?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
You gave us Tom Brady and the Tuck rule!
Mich Sucks!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Sure, if you can get the ok from the NFL for a Casino-funded stadium.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Kell:
Al Davis has 3 Super Bowl trophies over the past 35 years.
How many are you suggesting we would have had without him?
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Nostalgia is the mother of fanaticism. In adulthood as in youth, in lean years as in fat—we root for the home team because rooting for the home team is what we’ve always done, and because what we’ve always done is the essence of who we’ve always been.
The catch, alas, is that heroes in the rearview mirror are rarely as mighty as they appear. Lifelong Raider lovers will argue that Davis is responsible for the organization’s historical grandeur. I’d counter that he’s no less culpable for its contemporary gloom.
Decline is bad.
Stagnation is worse.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
That part probably isn’t happening.
We still can’t get the OK from the NFL to advertise during the Super Bowl!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Ohio: Farmers, honest people, good schools, and we just good to people and the enviroment.
Mich: car industry that kills our beloved earth, Ghettos, unemployment, Unions that kill honest business, and they are thieves and liars!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Kelli?
Considering how easy it is to get a brokers license, the one thing that would prevent you from that is having a criminal record.
Say it ain’t so, Kelli…
February 25th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Chicago would take the Raiders. They deserve 2 teams.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Super Bowls:
Raiders – 3
Pats – 3
Skins – 3
Packers – 3
Giants – 3
Cowboys – 5
Steelers – 5
49ers – 5
February 25th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Kell:
Al Davis has 3 Super Bowl trophies over the past 35 years.
How many are you suggesting we would have had without him?
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Nostalgia is the mother of fanaticism. In adulthood as in youth, in lean years as in fat—we root for the home team because rooting for the home team is what we’ve always done, and because what we’ve always done is the essence of who we’ve always been.
The catch, alas, is that heroes in the rearview mirror are rarely as mighty as they appear. Lifelong Raider lovers will argue that Davis is responsible for the organization’s historical grandeur. I’d counter that he’s no less culpable for its contemporary gloom.
Decline is bad.
Stagnation is worse.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/330081-al-davis-the-real-problem-with-oakland-raiders-fans
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More plagiarizing, Kelli?
Loser.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
People move out from Mich due to those reasons, and the only people moving in are Iraqi refugees. Then they move out!!
No one likes Mich!! Not even Iraqi refugees!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Steelers have 6 dude
February 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Never Worship A Mortal God.
Raiders fans are famously attached to their team. They’re also notoriously detached from reality. After another subpar season in Oakland, the local faithful are still praying for deliverance—which would be better news if Al Davis were a deity worth appealing to.
Devotion means holding to a steady course.
Delusion, on the other hand, means clinging to a sinking ship.
-Mike Silver
February 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Raider O then why does Ted Nugent live there?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
unless you’re a fan of the 49ers, Cowboys or Steelers you have no right to trash the Raiders imo
you’re either in the same boat or you’re a prostitute claiming Paris Hilton is “trashy”
February 25th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Never Worship A Mortal God.
Raiders fans are famously attached to their team. They’re also notoriously detached from reality. After another subpar season in Oakland, the local faithful are still praying for deliverance—which would be better news if JaMarcus Russell were a deity worth appealing to.
Devotion means holding to a steady course.
Delusion, on the other hand, means clinging to a sinking ship.
-Rockstar
February 25th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
LMAO…after I bust Kelli plagiarizing, you then rush to post something else, giving credit to actually wrote it?
Damn dude…you’re like a walking idiot bomb.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
Raider blOhio,
There are no ghettoes or car factories or unemployed people or A-rabs or pollution in OH?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
sorry typo.
“Never Worship A Mortal God.”
should be: Never Worship A Mortal Turd
February 25th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Super Bowls:
Raiders – 3
Pats – 3
Skins – 3
Packers – 3
Giants – 3
Cowboys – 5
Steelers – 5
49ers – 5
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And you never saw a one of them. Not in your lifetime, pal. lol
February 25th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Because he is a hillbillies who likes to hunt on cheap land.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
And you never saw a one of them. Not in your lifetime, pal. lol
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And you never saw Eldridge Dickey play QB. Not in your lifetime, pal. lol
February 25th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
# KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Kell:
Al Davis has 3 Super Bowl trophies over the past 35 years.
How many are you suggesting we would have had without him?
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Nostalgia is the mother of fanaticism. In adulthood as in youth, in lean years as in fat—we root for the home team because rooting for the home team is what we’ve always done, and because what we’ve always done is the essence of who we’ve always been.
The catch, alas, is that heroes in the rearview mirror are rarely as mighty as they appear. Lifelong Raider lovers will argue that Davis is responsible for the organization’s historical grandeur. I’d counter that he’s no less culpable for its contemporary gloom.
Decline is bad.
Stagnation is worse.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/330081-al-davis-the-real-problem-with-oakland-raiders-fans
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More plagiarizing, Kelli?
Loser.
AGAIN…WHY PLAGIARIZE, KELLI??
Why keep cutting and pasting things from other web sites, and posting them AS YOUR OWN??
February 25th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
unless you’re a fan of the 49ers, Cowboys or Steelers you have no right to trash the Raiders imo
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Why do you suppose the rest of the country and NFL commentariat disagrees with your piousness?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
unless you’re a fan of the 49ers, Cowboys or Steelers you have no right to trash the Raiders imo
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Why do you suppose the Oakland Coliseum is half empty during games?????????
February 25th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
And you never saw a one of them
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Kell: I’m an expert, I studied the film
LOL
February 25th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Quick, somebody tell me the best thing ever to come out of OH.
A flaming river? Charles Woodson? Jack Tatum? William Henry Harrison?
I got nothin of substance…
February 25th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Why do you suppose the Oakland Coliseum is half empty during games?????????
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Crime.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Richochet
If you want to talk to me. be succinct. I am not reading that unreadable shyt, ok. I told you that once. Not going to tell you again. You’ll just go on ignore.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
NO!
Ohio is a great place with good people!
We have Football and RR HOF.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
The Bengals, Browns and Buckeyes? LOL. Yeah, football.
And the real RR HOF is in Seattle, where Hendrix kicked it off.
February 25th, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Jimmy Carter came from Georgia.
that is the worst state in the nation.
GA = turd status
Mike Vick stills gets more love at the ATL!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
The premise for the movie Major League!!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
BSJ: I know you’ve lived all over the U.S.
did you ever work on Jimmy’s peanut farm?
February 25th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
James Brown = from Georgia. Word.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Super Bowl records
Raiders – 3-2
Pats – 3-3
Skins – 3-1
Packers – 3-1
Giants – 3-1
Cowboys – 5-3
Steelers – 6-0
49ers – 5-0
February 25th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
-Car Factories moved to Ohio after Mich Unions killed the industry there.
- Arabs moved there to escape crime and unemployment in Mich because they are good people.
-we get air, lught, and sound polition from Mich!!
That’s why you don’t live there!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
I never lived in the See-youth. All I know is that Texas is the Oakland of Northern Mexico.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
waterboard Elvis Presley’s sixth cousin!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Trade DMAC for lught and sound polition!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
I will never open a BOO in Mich!!
Never!!!!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Elvis is gayer than Elton.
I used to make a lot of enemies in the USMC saying that…
February 25th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
jhill Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
you could have sold it to Jhill or Debo for 1k !
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hardee har har!
Incredibly funny!
Woooooooooo woooooooo
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lmao!!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
the Carter family had a dog name Bozo they named after him …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jimmy_Carter_with_his_dog_Bozo_1937.gif
February 25th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
I will never open a BOO in Mich!!
Never!!!!
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LOL @ O
OH has King James.
best basketball player of this decade
February 25th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Light and sound pollution*
February 25th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
BSJ: Jimmy Carter is related to Elvis …
nuff said
February 25th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
We don’t need your Suckeye BOO!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
BOO????
February 25th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Bank of Omerica
February 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
RR,
You should go visit, but don’t travel North too far. You may end up in Mich. A land of Unemployment and unions. Uuugggrrhh
February 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Rockstar….I’ll bet Bo has all of his souvenirs from the Ann Arbor Hash Bash,dont ya Bo?
February 25th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Jimmy Carter is the only submariner to become prez. The man SERVED in wartime, unlike Reagan, Nixon, Bush2, Clinton, Obama, LBJ, Cheney, you people, etc.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
LMAO…25% want Obamacare, 48% say get a new bill, 25% say don’t do anything at all.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/24/cnn-poll-health-care-provisions-popular-but-overall-bills-unpopular/?fbid=UiE1mVUbF8y
February 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Your anti-union crapola is laughable O. You really need to look into their role in creating the middle class last decade. Without unions, most jobs would be like Walmart work.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Jimmy Carter passed more legislation than any president.Time was the 2 Houses could be respectable towards each-other but the publicans ruined that
February 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Souveniers are up in smoke.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Hell No you don’t need it!
Why would a financal inst open in a land of unemployment, Crime, Unions, and no investments?
No Boo for You!!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Dwight D. Eisenhower makes Jimmy Carter look like a coward…
February 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
not last decade, last CENTURY.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Hell No you don’t need it!
Why would a financial inst open in a land of unemployment, Crime, Unions, and no investments?
No Boo for You!!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Vegas, now polls matter whe a Prez wants to do something? You think Dubya had the polls behind his tax cuts for millionaires? Or torture? Or No Tard Left Behind?
The election was the poll that mattered. The public chose, and Obama is pushing through exactly what he campaigned on.
And Jimmy Carter should be in the HOF.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Dwight D. Eisenhower makes Jimmy Carter look like a coward…
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By that logic Me & Bo make you look like a Coward, no?
February 25th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Hasta Yomama!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Bo,
Without Unions, Organizations will have more to invest, and that creates more jobs.
With unions, organization are going broke,Ford just opened a huge factory in south America , and people will lose their jobs!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
BSJ: did you see the same UFO Carter did in 69?
LOL
February 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
Did Kell just type “Me & Bo”?
Now I really gotta go…
February 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Not 2 take sides but Joe Walsh is from Blohio lol
February 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
BSJ,
You mean tax cuts for everybody, rich and poor?
February 25th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Bo
We both served in the military, no.
Like Barack Obama, I like to find issues we can agree on.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
By that logic Me & Bo make you look like a Coward, no?
***
the day you make ANYBODY look like a coward let me know. you’re the one who challenged somebody from an internet blog to a fight and then backed down
LOL!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
I meand I hate Dubya too, but here’s the link, every tax bracket was lowered:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001
February 25th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Dwight Eisenhower makes Jimmy Carter look ALIVE
February 25th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Later you self entitled Mich Fan.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
RRS
That’s not the way it was. I said 3:00, Brian said 6:00.
Anyway that was stupid on my part.
But they know where to find me.
But, you cleverly evaded the logic.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
new post Barack worshippers!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
We should cut our loss and trade Mich Now! Let’s see if Canada or Mexico are interested.
February 25th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Ah, the laughs & joy … ricochet … son ….
I knew you were a cowardly little lamb and the blog doormat (welcome to the blog, now please enjoy kicking lil ric in the groin!), but I never thought you enjoyed melting down so spectacularly in front of me!
I feel bad in a way, but then I realize how much fun it is to have you lapping at my pant leg, doing everything your little mind can think up to get my attention that I … well, I just soak it all in!
I wonder if this is the way the Greek Gods felt?
Anyway, my little poodle, when you came shuffling around earlier pleading with me to talk Raiders with you – and giving you a chance at acceptance – you were given permission to receive my teachings
But now, like the truest of cowards, you post one of your pre made responses and run away in humiliation. Oh, it hurts to nailed, doesn’t it?
So now here’s the important part – don’t pee yourself in your little cubicle out of fear. Like a big boy, get up and walk to bathroom – that’s the place where they stick your head in the toilet and then flush – and do your little man business there.
Because the last thing a tiny fella like yourself trying to survive in the big world needs is being ostracized at work for messing his pants and breaking into tears.
But, my minion in training … I love every minute it!!
February 25th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
Bob Seger is from Mi.
My Uncle used to live in Oh. (played golf with J. Nicklaus.)
It’s a push.
February 25th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
That’s it, Beech? lol…
In other words, don’t mess with the big boys.
I called your ass out at 1:00 above.
Nay, challenged your sorryass.
You posted a “don’t pick on me” reply…THEN LEFT.
I challenged you again..yet what was your response?
YOU DISAPPEARED FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF..and now show up with that sorry weak copout?
Again, lil man, I’ll torch your inept uneducated shytefetish ass…guaranteed.
Now is when you can beg off…AGAIN..or disappear…again.
Offer is still there, lil man…admit you’re toast, or I’ll just keep calling you out, watching ya squirm.
I have a question..how’s it feel knowing that between you AND Kell, you can’t amass a single, much less a pair of balls?
February 25th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
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February 25th, 2010 at 6:15 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
He got benched because he is a knucklehead.
We all say the KC first half, if he played like that all year we might have been a .500 team.
Someone in Raiderland had enough, and pulled the plug. Bruce almost pulled that one out too, if DHB would have just dropped the ball instead of knocking it in the air, Bruce would have delivered.
We all know it.
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I see. So now DHB hurt hurt your man-crush’s performance, but all JR’s issues are JR. Did we watch the same game?
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