Position group analysis: Tight ends
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, February 26th, 2010 at 11:39 am in Oakland Raiders.
Fourth in a series analyzing Raiders position groups with a contingent of scouts and coaches in Indianapolis at the scouting combine:
Starter: Zach Miller. Backups: Tony Stewart, Brandon Myers.
Review: Once upon a time the Raiders being laughed at behind the scenes when they signed Miller, their second round draft pick in 2007. It wasn’t that they’d taken Miller so much as they ended up paying him about a million dollars more than necessary when looking at the way contracts were slotted before and after him.
Turns out it was money well spent.
Miller is proof the Raiders don’t always go for the biggest, fastest and most imposing physical specimen. On this occasion, the Raiders instead went with moderately-sized player who wasn’t a basketball or track star and whose best attribute was finding open areas and catching a football. He’s the anti-Rickey Dudley.
Over the past three seasons, Miller’s receptions have gone from 44 as a rookie to 56 and 66. His yardage has escalated from 444 to 778 to 805. While not a blazer, Miller had a 63-yard touchdown reception in 2008 and an 86-yard catch in 2009. He’s pretty much the only receiver who developed any kind of chemistry with JaMarcus Russell.
If there’s a criticism of Miller it’s that he doesn’t get into the end zone often enough _ seven touchdown receptions among his 166 catches.
Miller’s backup, Tony Stewart is a core special teams player who caught 10 passes for 78 yards and is a physical blocker. Brandon Myers had an excellent training camp and caught four passes for 19 yards. His forced fumble and strip on a kickoff return against Cincinnati set-up a game-winning field goal.
Contract status: All tight ends are under contract.
What’s next: Miller had two concussions last season and missed a game because of his second one. With the NFL paying much closer attention to concussions, the Raiders will be looking hard at young tight ends. Myers also missed time due to a concussion last year.
It may not be someone who plays tight end at the moment _ Al Davis is fond of tinkering with athletes at the position. If Miller can keep his head clear, the Raiders can comfortably experiment with the tight end position in hopes of finding someone unique while at the same time knowing they’ve got a classic, sure-handed tight end on the roster for the next several years.
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February 26th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Cmon Ronda, lol!
Tell me again how the #2 TE was supposed to be a pro bowler?
LMFAO!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Gradkowski will make Miller a Pro Bowler this year
February 26th, 2010 at 11:44 am
3rd?
February 26th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Probably our strongest position, TE.
I think even our backups, Myers and Stewart, would make a lot of rosters and do what they do here, elsewhere.
How many other positions can we say that about? WR? QB? OL? DT?
February 26th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Tell me again how a #2 TE was a need. LMFAO.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:46 am
4 catches for 19 yards. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Need filled!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Amazing, that Miller became a Raider. After all he didn’t run a blistering forty time and wasn’t the best available athlete.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Didn’t you say earlier that WR and QB were a need when Al drafted them?
Was S a need when we drafted Huff?
Didn’t we need a S last year after letting Wilson walk?
Were Zach Miller and Brandon Meyers needs picks?
How many examples do you need?
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Cmon Ronda!
All you can focus on off the above is the #2 TE?
LMFAO!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Jamarcus Russell was the lowest rated passer in the NFL…….Need filled!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:48 am
Raiders needed a BLOCKING TE so that Miller to go run routes. He has the best hands on the team and it sucks to have to make this guy stay in and block.
thats why Myers was drafted. to block.
his hands were actually better than expected or advertised according to Jerry Mac in the offseason reports …
he was a freakin’ 6th rounder. also plays special teams
why is he even up for debate? it was clearly a need
he’s a much better blocker than Miller or Stewart
February 26th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Darren McFadden has never even approached the 1000 yard mark and rarely even carries the ball 20 times a game……………Need filled!!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Meyers REALLY improved the run game didnt he?? LOL
February 26th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Stewart is a solid backup as well, when you consider his ST value. Jamarcus almost him killed a few times.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:51 am
None of the guys drafted you mentioned can play, save for Miller. Therefore the needs werent filled. Period. End.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:51 am
4 catches for 19 yards. WOW
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a blocking TE isn’t going to have glorious stats Ron.
thats basically like posting the rushing stats for a FB and saying he’s not needed.
you don’t see how useful they are until you watch the games bro. besides, every team “NEEDS” depth
February 26th, 2010 at 11:51 am
LOL RRS!
Obviously Ronda wasnt paying attention to the COACH talking about the need for a #2 TE.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:55 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:51 am
besides, every team “NEEDS” depth
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Someone has to be the 3rd TE.
A 6th round pick, who makes a game-changing play on ST to win a game and never really royalled screwed up elsewhere is very solid.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Ronda
Filling a need and FILLED a need are 2 different things, lol!
Which team has a crystal ball at the draft? LMFAO!
Find me one so called expert that said that Russell, MCcFadden, or Huff weren’t the best player at their position when we drafted them.
I’ll wait!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Period. End.
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translation = I ran out of material, lol!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:56 am
the Vikings have Jim Kleinsasser & Jeff Dugan. they are primarily BLOCKING TE’s
if they aren’t NEEDED, then why do the Vikings keep them on the roster ???
February 26th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Seems like the back half of the first round produces much more consistant players than the top half, except for QB’s really.
Their were 4 Pro Bowl rookies last year: Orakpo (13) Cushing (15) Harvin (22) Matthews (26) and you can throw in Oher at 23 and Nicks at 29.
Your top 10: Stafford, J Smith, Tyson Jackson, Curry, Sanchez, Tits Smith, the great decoy, Monroe, Raji and Crabtree.
Not a whole lot in there but Monroe, Raji and the QB’s.
WEIRD
February 26th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
-They tried to GIVE the MLB position to Ricky Brown last year. Clear sign that they are not happy with Kirk.
-What bothers me about Morrison is the team had a great run stopper in Danny (Hammerhead) Clark when they drafted Morrison.
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Ricky Brown is a good player, just can’t stay healthy and he’s a bit undersized. He was doing so well at OLB they thought they’d put him at MLB to see how well he did. I think they did that as an insurance policy. Kirk’s only backup at MLB was Isaiah Ekejiuba and he’s never played a down on defense. strictly a ST player. So Brown entered the season as starting OLB, backup MLB and solid ST player. Brown was nothing more than depth & competition last offseason IMO.
the run defense was crap with Clark at MLB too. we didn’t have a real NT and teams ran all over us. A trend that continues today!
February 26th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Ronda ????
Oh Ronda ?????
Where’d you go?
CMON man, tell us some more about how you know Meyers can’t play because he didn’t make the pro bowl, lol!
February 26th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Your boy Tebow is at the podium!
February 26th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
# vegas raider Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Seems like the back half of the first round produces much more consistant players than the top half, except for QB’s really.
Their were 4 Pro Bowl rookies last year: Orakpo (13) Cushing (15) Harvin (22) Matthews (26) and you can throw in Oher at 23 and Nicks at 29.
Your top 10: Stafford, J Smith, Tyson Jackson, Curry, Sanchez, Tits Smith, the great decoy, Monroe, Raji and Crabtree.
Not a whole lot in there but Monroe, Raji and the QB’s.
WEIRD
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Not necessarily. Those going in the lst half of the lst round are arguably on much worse teams. In other words if we draft DHB and the Colts take another WR with their pick at 29th overall and their guy puts up much better numbers is that guy that much better or is the team around him that much better. More likely the latter. Just saying.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Cut Brandon Meyers.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
if we draft DHB and the Colts take another WR with their pick at 29th overall and their guy puts up much better numbers is that guy that much better or is the team around him that much better.
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Harvin & Maclin had Favre & McNabb.
if Heyward-Bey played for the Colts he would have had a much better season than Louis Murphy in Oakland imo
February 26th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
who is Brandon Meyers?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Good point, but I still think Cushing, Nicks and OHer are better than Curry, DHB and Jason Smith
February 26th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
cut Andrew Walters.
hahaha
February 26th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
RRS,
I think it was pretty obvious that had Ricky Brown “held up”, he would have been the starter. He was SO not up to the challenge physically, Kirk got the nod.
I think the fact that the job was clearly up for competition is my point. If the Riaders felt Kirk was a DT away from being the guy, I think it would be a bit more obvious. Same with Howard. The fact that he was moved to a new position in favor of Scott is telling.
Who starts at OLB next year, Brown or Howard?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Myers.
What are you, LMN now?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Cut little man Francis.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Dakota Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Anything new other than the Raiders being fukin retarded?
Why use the exclusive tag on Seymour? Why not let him shop his services, and if he signs a deal that we like we match, if we don’t like it we take that teams TWO FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS!
WTF?
I swear to god Al is brain dead these days.
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Yep, NOTHING good is happening….as always.
The next stupid thing that the old man will do will be on draft day! LOL
February 26th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
So which wrong player at a position of need will Al draft this year?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
In 2004, our run defense was ranked 22nd. In 2005, our run defense was ranked 25th.
So…you’re right. Even with Clark at Middle, we still sucked but I thought he shed blocks better and was more intimidating than Morrison.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Is there a height weight speed guy at MLB, Dline, or Oline that Al wii reach for?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Cut Marcus Allen.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Who starts at OLB next year, Brown or Howard?
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it depends on what we do in the draft. If we draft an OLB in the first 3 rounds I think they’re probably both gone … Raider O keeps lobbying for Spoon early in Round 2
Trevor Scott has 1 OLB spot locked down.
and if we draft a MLB I think they’ll let Kirk walk instead of trying to move him back to OLB where he started from.
If we don’t draft any backers (my preference) then we roll with Scott, Morrison & Howard. let ST guys like Brown, Williams & Alston test the waters in FA. then re-sign them later for peanuts.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
RD 1 – Oline
RD 2 – Oline or Mt. Cody if he is available.
Rd 3 – Oline
RD 4 – Oline
February 26th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
Danny Clark was a huge liability in coverage.
Scott will start at OLB.
Who will be playing nickel CB?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
The sad part is…we’re worried about Morrison when Sam Williams is still on the roster after all these years. The Alvis Whitted of Defense. We seriously couldn’t improve our depth after all this time?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Dakota Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Anything new other than the Raiders being fukin retarded?
Why use the exclusive tag on Seymour? Why not let him shop his services, and if he signs a deal that we like we match, if we don’t like it we take that teams TWO FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS!
WTF?
I swear to god Al is brain dead these days.
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Best post of the day…….
I asked my self the same thing. I would take 2 first for seymour everyday of the week……
February 26th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Bo – Clark might have been a huge liability in coverage but what has the coverage skills of Howard and Morrison done for us? Wouldn’t it have made more sense to have a Run Stopper in the middle while having 2 coverage skilled linebackers on the outside? That would have made being a liability in the middle less of a problem.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
I think it was pretty obvious that had Ricky Brown “held up”, he would have been the starter. He was SO not up to the challenge physically, Kirk got the nod.
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I don’t know man. Ricky Brown was 100 percent on Week 1 against SD. He started at OLB. Kirk Morrison got the nod at MLB even with a gimpy arm, remember?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Getting 2 first for rich would have been a smart move… especially 2011 will be rookie capped….
But again we are talking about the raiders org….
February 26th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
The trade of Seymour was supposed to make our DT’s look a lot better. Seymour looked like a freakin monster in his 1st game and was wreaking havoc all over the field. Did he give up for the remaining games because he quickly became invisible. If Seymour would have continued playing like that, do you think our defense would have looked much better?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
BRL <—-qb
exisitng O trench <——-garbage
5-11<——-2010-11 raiders record
February 26th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Sam Williams is still on the roster after all these years. The Alvis Whitted of Defense. We seriously couldn’t improve our depth after all this time?
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we tried to. remember we signed Robert Thomas, Marquis Cooper & Isaiah Kacyvenski? plus numerous undrafted guys over the years. then we even got Norris & Sulak last draft.
Sam Willi stepped it up on ST man, what can I say ???
February 26th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
rich is just 1 guy…. I would rather 2 first rounders than rich….
February 26th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
We really need to try and get someone like Bulger into camp just to compete with Gradkowski and Russell. I don’t feel confident about Bulger but he couldn’t possibly be worse and we need to ensure we have good QB play or we’re screwed again.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
True 24. Just noting why they dumped Clark. I am pretty sure the coaches didn’t envision Kirk and Howard being so poor on run D.
And you have another good point – we got killed last year in 10 yard dump pases over the middle. I’d like to know what Morrison IS good at.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:29 pm
right now, we are F@Cked at QB…..
BRL is a joke…… The rest are dime a doz scrubs…
February 26th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
24: Dick Seymour spent the past few weeks practicing spin moves & bullrushes with the trees in his backyard. shows up 2 days before the game and instantly looks like our best D-Lineman …
what does that say about the other starters we got? should there be that big of a gap?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Gotta love how our linebackers end up backpedaling into the safeties while our safeties make all the tackles. WTF?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I’d like to know what Morrison IS good at.
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who cares? he grew up a Raider fan!
February 26th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Would have been a good move to let rich walk, and get 2 first for him….
February 26th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
RaiderRockstar – I’m thinking everybody on the Raiders roster needs to get into the Richard Seymour training guide and start fighting trees during the week.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
We were NOT getting 2 #1s for Seymour. The exclusive tag is irrelevant in that I don’t think anyone doubts that we are/were going to resign the guy long term, so no biggie.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I would seriously look into adding either Pennington, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, David Carr or Troy Smith. We need to get into Gruden mode and add any and every mother fuker that has even a clue on how to be better than Jamarcus Russell.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
With the way the Raiders draft, do you seriously see us getting 2 players in the 1st round better than Richard Seymour? We need other players to draft for us so we can trade for them later. Think of the other 31 NFL teams as a farm system for us.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
I meant held up as in performed well. I think it was clear that he was not big enough or physical enough to take the job from Kirk. And he was worse in pass coverage. I think the only thing he was better at Kirk at was having everyone lined up correctly and calling the right sets.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
24, good point Bro, we are talking about the raiders….
February 26th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
# 24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
We really need to try and get someone like Bulger into camp just to compete with Gradkowski and Russell. I don’t feel confident about Bulger but he couldn’t possibly be worse and we need to ensure we have good QB play or we’re screwed again.
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Bulger’s body is shot..all those snaps behind Martz’s idiot system that leaves the QB open to hits, over and over.
Now he’s the walking wounded.
Rams have as bad an oline as the Raiders.
When healthy?
Grad doesn’t come close, and JR isn’t even in the same league…it’s just keeping Bulger healthy that’s the problem.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
You have to admit though…John Marshall called a much better game than Rob Ryan.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
I would seriously look into adding either Pennington, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, David Carr or Troy Smith. We need to get into Gruden mode and add any and every mother fuker that has even a clue on how to be better than Jamarcus Russell.
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Clearly the second best quote of the day…
February 26th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Richochet – I agree. Scott Linehan didn’t do Bulger any favors either with his terrible coaching.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
# 24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
With the way the Raiders draft, do you seriously see us getting 2 players in the 1st round better than Richard Seymour? We need other players to draft for us so we can trade for them later. Think of the other 31 NFL teams as a farm system for us.
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Seymour wasn’t all that last year. Had two bad games for every solid one.
At this point, my bet is at least one of them would be a starter..and if both contributed? Both ended up in the lineup? For a player that is towards the end of his career, who’s going to be commanding huge bucks just to sign?
Win/win
February 26th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
If the terms are 2 first for rich, i take that all day everyday…..
February 26th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Jason Campbell or troy smith….
Kyle orton pennington carr <—-what we have currently
February 26th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I would give up a 2nd rounder for Boldin. Most may disagree but Boldin is a tough mother fuker. He is talented and fights for the ball. I also enjoy the fact that Boldin and Javon Walker were a WR tandem at FSU. I would just like to find out if that could create a spark of motivation for those guys.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Does anybody realistically think that a team is going to give 2 1st round picks for Seymour AND give him a big contract? I seriously don’t think anybody would.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
24, i have a strong dislike for yvonne walker….
F@CK him and the horse he rides…..
February 26th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
so why did the raiders?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
There is not one team that would’ve given up 2 #1s for Dickey. Not even a #1 and 3.
Seymour for a couple of mid to late 1st rd picks?
No way!
February 26th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
I would have let rich talk to whom ever he pleased…
Would not have tagged him.. no need to…
February 26th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Yeah, 24, Bulger’s been a victim of bad timing.
He takes over as qb when Martz and Warner had their BrendaGate, where Martz went to 70/30 pass/run ratio just to get Bulgers numbers up, to prove the naysayers wrong.
Add to that the fact martz doesn’t allow audibles means the qb sometimes were sitting ducks. Martz gave them “hot reads”, and expected the qb to pick out the best option, but still, I can recall instances where martz would call a qb rollout, where the whole D knew what was happening, and you would just see Bulger resign himself to the fact he was going to get totaled.
That’s one of the reasons the Rams NEVER had any timeouts left after the 1st or 3rd quarter…the qb knew the play wasn’t going to work, and had no choice.
And being a stubborn SOB? martz sometimes would send out THE SAME PLAY, convinced he’s a “genius” and it WILL WORK..
lol…most of the time it didn’t.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Thec – Call me crazy. I still think Walker has something left. I swore last year that Walker would prove everybody wrong and I was disappointed that the team stuck with 2 rookies who couldn’t get open instead of Walker, who HAD to be better than that. Maybe its wishful thinking but we’ll probably never find out anyways.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Jhill, I do that trade every day of the week…
Rich has what 2 good years left?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I would give up a 2nd rounder for Boldin.
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Would much rather have Doucett with Russell at QB. And I wonder if Bowe is available?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
# jhill Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
There is not one team that would’ve given up 2 #1s for Dickey. Not even a #1 and 3.
Seymour for a couple of mid to late 1st rd picks?
No way!
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Very true.
Moot point for us all to state “should have taken it”…guess we should revise it to “IF ANY TEAM WAS STUPID ENOUGH TO OFFER IT..Raiders should take it”…but you’re right, Jhill…who in their right mind would give up two #1’s and absorb Seymours huge contract he’ll want?
The only team who makes those silly decisions happens to be the team he’s on
February 26th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Richochet – Are you telling me that Mike Martz is Al Davis reincarnated? Haha. The beautiful thing is that we’ll be seeing Cutler take much abuse next season. Oh the fulfillment.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Wouldnt mind seeing walker cut last year…
February 26th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
JHill – Bowe would be nice to have. Hes fallen out of favor in KC and Chambers tore it up last year. I don’t like seeing them with the Bowe/Chambers combination.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
That’s true…WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO WALKER?
Anyone ever find out?
Did anyone ever leak what, exactly he did that PO’ed Al?
Why go through all that hoopla, including talking him into NOT resigning, insisting he KEEP all the moolah, only to sit him?
He must have really PO’ed Al about something….
February 26th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
wack-o STFU.
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# 24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Does anybody realistically think that a team is going to give 2 1st round picks for Seymour AND give him a big contract? I seriously don’t think anybody would.
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No, at this stage in Seymour’s career no one would do that so the point is moot. Davis told Seymour he would take care of him and he did.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Thec,
I happen to think Seymour was a god send. A guy who commands a double team every play is hard to come by.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
I say…trade for Randy Moss and sign Terrell Owens. Hahaha.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Yeah, 24, you might say eccentric applies to both Al and Martz.
now wouldn’t that have been an interesting turn of events if Martz did entertain an offer from Al, after their interview?
Two stubborn egotists who refuse to give an inch, who thinks they, and they alone are the almighty Football Guru?
Would have been fun…up until Martz getting fired during the second quarter of game 3..lol..if he lasted that long.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Especially with the prospect of Trevor Scott at DE. Seymour trade was a no brainer!
February 26th, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Didn’t Rob Ryan say that Tommy Kelly was the best DT in the league at one point? Maybe we can sucker that Browns into trading 2 1st round picks for him instead? Think Holmgren will fall for it?
February 26th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Richochet – The crazy thing is…Martz is everything Al Davis is…they are one in the same in terms of offensive ideas, yet not even Al Davis himself could hire himself. Hmmmm.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
24,
lol! I was thinking we might be able to sucker Ryan into Nnamdi.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Trevor Scott at linebacker…who would have thought? I didn’t see him getting 7 sacks.
February 26th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Nnamdi for their DT and #1 pick!
February 26th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Wow…USA Hockey team up 6-0 over Finland.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
I say we trade Asomugha and Kelly to the Browns for 4 1st round picks.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
# jhill Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:56 am
Period. End.
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translation = I ran out of material, lol!
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That and “I’m lying..I’m hoping the PERIOD convinces you I’m not”.
Rafael Palmeiro: “I NEVER TOOK STEROIDS. PERIOD!!”
Pete Rose: “I NEVER GAMBLED. PERIOD’
Barry Bonds “I didn’t know what I was rubbing on…PERIOD”
Priest: “JR is the leagues next SUPERSTAR. PERIOD”
Oakglen: “I never had more than 25 handles…PERIOD”
February 26th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
LOL!
Al won’t wait around for 4 #1s to develop.
Besides, Kelly is a baller! Where’s Vegas with those stats?
What we need to do is move Seymour inside to play next to Warren and draft Pierr-Paul or Morgan!
February 26th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Speaking of Olympics, not sure the Canada women’s gold metal hockey team made the best decision to come back out on the ice with beer and champagne, with some obviously underage.
Might live to regret that as far as sponsors and endorsements…
February 26th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
LOL, Richochet!
I forgot about Ronda!
Ohhh Ronda??? Ronda, you there ????
If I may borrow a phrase ,,,, I guess he tucked his tail and went into hiding!
February 26th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
wack-o no one can understand what your saying. Why don’t you take mistabrOwns dik out your mouth?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Here’s hoping we see Mike Mitchell knocking some heads off next year. They really need to play him at FS.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
I just can’t get into the Winter Olympics … Seems like everytime I turn it on, the ice scrubbing event is on, lol. What’s the point of trying to get the washbucket to the other end of the ice?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
24,
You bring up a good point. What are we going to do with Mitchell? I think he was pretty effective in his role, and he lost a lot of time due to a bad hammy,
Huff is probaly CLEARLY our 2nd best DB, so what do we do with him?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
JHill – Well I believe Huff improved tremendously and I don’t have a problem seeing him start at FS but I’d rather see the head hunter Mitchell start instead. I say…
CB – Asomugha
CB – Johnson
NB – Huff (not Routt)
SS – Branch
FS – Mitchell
February 26th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
I think I would find a way to keep Mitchell on the field and in the box all the time. Attack the LOS and play some short zone. I don’t think we should put him back on the 3rd level.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Jhill, agree Bro… I dont even watch television, only during football season. I happen to catch the olympics at a restaurant. they have a lot of weird games, skying in a circle then stopping, and shooting at targets…weird Sh!T…..
February 26th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
As a Nickelback…Huff could still move into a safety position based on what the offense does and being the nickelback puts him in a good position to do what he does best in covering TE’s.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Curling rocks! No pun intended.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
JHill – I just think Mitchell is a better hitter when he gets a head start. I could see him getting out of control at SS and whiffing tackles when trying to go for the big hit instead of the tackle. Branch is more controlled while tackling. If need be…
FS – Branch
SS – Mitchell
Nickel – Huff
This puts 3 Safeties on the field at one time that can move around the field.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
We can’t limit our 2nd best DB to a nickle role, 24. I expect Huff to improve this offseason as well. I’m assuming he going to stick to the film room comittment. I think we should use him as a Rover. The same way CWood is being used, In some cases, I so put him at CB to cover a slot WR. Other times, I’d have him deep ball hawking.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
The Olympics for the most part are just too boring for me to get into. Its great for International relations but thats it for me.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
JHill – What do you think about starting Huff opposite of Asomugha and Johnson at nickelback instead?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
I think we are kinda saying the same thing 24.
You really want the possible whiff you talk about at SS to happen with Mitchell at FS? I think Mitchell is the best blitzer of the 3, so I think i keep him in the box.
I agree he needs to be on the field. tomayto, tomahto.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
I can’t stand Routt…he has a Higgins complex. Somehow, someway, they can’t go a game without finding a way to fuk up and give up a big play.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
JHill – What do you think about starting Huff opposite of Asomugha and Johnson at nickelback instead?
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Love the idea.
I’d have Branch at FS though and Mitchell at SS.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
JHill – Exactly…I guess the issue is finding a way to keep the 3 safeties on the field at the same time. If you really wanted to play it safe, you could keep Branch as the Cover 1 Deep Safety, play Mitchell up close as the 3rd linebacker and Huff in the slot as the Nickelback/Strong Safety.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
Trade DMAC for Johnnie Morant!
February 26th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
In Cover 2…Huff and Branch would be the Deep Safeties with Mitchell next to the linebackers.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Bo – Forget that…where’s Ken-Yon Rambo? I want to see Olanda Truitt back ASAP. Also…where’s Quentin Moses when you need him?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Okung didnt hurt himslef with those 38 reps on the bench today. He won’t be there at 8.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
# jhill Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
JHill – What do you think about starting Huff opposite of Asomugha and Johnson at nickelback instead?
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Love the idea.
I’d have Branch at FS though and Mitchell at SS.
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One of the major issues with the Raiders is the big plays they give up, and one of the major sources of big plays is runs around the edge. By getting Rich Seymour that was supposed to help some of that. But instead of this, what might not be a bad idea is to put Branch as a corner, keep Huff and Mitchell as safeties and put CJ as the nickel. Oh, and cut Stanford (PI) routt.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Tom Cable won’t draft an offensive lineman…hes more interested in the 4th and 5th round guys because they’re obviously better.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
Where did you go Olanda Truitt?!
February 26th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
We have drafted ONE offensive lineman since Tom Cable has been here and that is Mario Henderson in the 3rd round.
However…we have drafted 6 DE’s and 6 WR’s.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Branch at corner sounds decent but he was such a damn good safety last year.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
RIP Chekov Jr.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Since Tom Cable arrived, we have drafted…
QB – 1
RB – 2
FB – 1
WR – 6
TE – 2
OL – 1
DE – 6
DT – 0
LB – 0
DB – 4
February 26th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
So…based on those draft stats…despite being one of the worst run defenses in the league, we haven’t drafted a DT or a LB in a 3 year period.
We have drafted 1 Offensive Lineman. Whatever happened to winning in the trenches?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
10 WR’s & DB’s drafted in the past 3 years?
are you serious?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Not only that but we drafted 6 Defensive Ends and we still traded for Richard Seymour after all that effort in the draft and we converted Scott to Linebacker.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
RaiderRockstar – I think that answers a lot of questions yeah?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
After signing Kelly to big $ and trading for Warren, why would Al draft DTs?
And didn’t we need to see if Howard and Morrison were who some thought they were?
I think you’re likely to see DT and LB this year. Those are clearly need areas and we usually draft for needs positions.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
10 WR’s & DB’s drafted in the past 3 years?
are you serious?
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It’s a passing league isn’t it?
February 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
trade the walrus for Antajj Hawthorne!
February 26th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
# 24 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Branch at corner sounds decent but he was such a damn good safety last year.
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You really hate to move guys to new positions when they are performing well. But Tyvon was a college corner and with Huff coming on and drafting Mitchell means someone has to move to get all three on the field. Shifting tyvon to corner might be a good idea since he has speed, can cover, and is a force against the run game.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
24, you baiting KK with comment 130? Sounding like Coach Cable had something to do with who got drafted!!!??? If KK reads that…..you’ve fed him his “tonic”…..Al Davis rant forthcoming!
February 26th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
JHill – I think the problem is that our draft choices have been poor and the fact that the team put its faith in guys like Gerard Warren and Tommy Kelly is disappointing in that…they actually traded with the Broncos for Warren and his overpriced contract (why?) and they gave a huge deal to Kelly who was injured at the time (why?). Those deals were simply not good ones and it goes along with the poor draft choices as well. In all, the combination of things were a mixture of poor decisions.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Seymour Bush – I guess you can say that its nice to have the versatility. I’m happy to leave those decisions in the hands of John Marshall and Staff.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
SinceFrankYouellField Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
24, you baiting KK with comment 130? Sounding like Coach Cable had something to do with who got drafted!!!??? If KK reads that…..you’ve fed him his “tonic”…..Al Davis rant forthcoming!
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You read my mind Frank, swear to gawd. But 24 has asked me to cool it for awhile.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
SFYF – Well…I’m not very nice to Al Davis either so I can’t really say much. He too has played a role in the drafting process no doubt but theres no need to go deep into that anymore.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
After signing Kelly to big $ and trading for Warren, why would Al draft DTs?
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Warren was a flop in Cleveland & Dungver
Kelly hadn’t even played DT for us until Al gave him the whopping contract to do so
Kelly should have received a modest contract with lots of incentives. We never should have traded a 5th rounder for GW and absorbed that HUGE backloaded contract of his. could have let him hit FA and signed him for next to nothing
February 26th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Don’t much care for curling either, but I’ll be checking in on it today. Just to see that redhead couger on Cananda vs. the blondies on Sweden….
February 26th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Good afternoon, Raiders fans!
I just got in and quickly glanced over the comments, so I’ll throw a quick two cents in here:
Since Huff has shown such GREAT improvement in his coverage skills and closing on the ball, I’m completely in favor of moving him to corner (a la Nnamdi converting from a college Safety and becoming a press GOD), play Branch at SS, and put Mitchell at FS. I don’t want Mitchell covering TEs one-on-one and figure he’ll do better at FS with plenty of space to build steam. Routt and Johnson fight it out for the Nickel spot.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Trade DMac for a redheaded couger!
February 26th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
SteveAlford21 – Word.
February 26th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Kelly & Warren were both awful decisions and they are starting next to eachother on the D-Line.
both UT/penetrator types. not run stuffers, not NT’s
cut one and make the other take a massive pay reduction.
draft a dominant NT and watch the entire defense benefit as a direct result of it
February 26th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
909 – Done. She can be our cougar.
http://www.raiders.com/team/cheerleaders/natalie-m/a55e503f-beed-4e0f-8275-73a83521c2a2
February 26th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
Tomlinson & Westbrook got cut by SD and Philly, but Al Davis can’t bare to part ways with players like Walker & Warren.
LOL!
February 26th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
RRs, you and I get along great, so please don’t think I’m being a smartass here, I’m just REALLY pedantic… can you please refrain from saying NT? We’re a 4-3 team, not a 3-4, so we don’t have Nose Tackles. A NT lines up over center, which doesn’t happen in a 4-3. I know that’s being very picky, but I have a compulsion about crap like that… don’t know why… it’s a mental disease. I’m a somewhat functional Rainman, lol. That having been said, how the hell are ya, RRs?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
SteveAlford21 – Actually…the NT exists in the 4-3 as well. Read up.
http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine.html
February 26th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Steve:
In a traditional 4-3 defensive set, the term “nose tackle” could be (but is not usually) used to describe one of the two defensive tackles, usually on the weak side of the offensive line. His job is to take up the center and weak-side or pulling guard so that the smaller ‘rush’ end has a 1-on-1 matchup with the offense’s blindside tackle. The second defensive tackle sometimes referred to as an ‘under tackle’, takes up the strongside guard and the strongside end takes up the strongside offensive tackle.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
These guys each have a job to do, and the job depends on how they read the play. Frequently in a 4-3 defense, the DTs will have one gap responsibility. That means the DTs line up on the shoulder of their man, not head to head, and attempt to get by him and into the backfield. They are responsible that no running back comes through their gap. In the picture above, the gaps are lettered “A,” “B,” and “C.” The positions where the DTs can line up are numbered 1 through 6. Normally in a 4-3 you will have on very large DT who weighs about 330 to 360 pounds. He will line up on the Center’s shoulder and handle an A gap. This large guy is called a Nose Tackle (NT). You will often have a second DT who is just a little smaller and faster, perhaps 305-320 pounds, who will line up on the outside shoulder of the right guard in the 3 position. This DT is sometimes called a “3-technique” because of where he lines up. He will have responsibility for a B gap.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Steve:
In a 3-4 defensive scheme, the nose tackle is the sole defensive tackle, lining up directly opposite the center in the “0-technique” position. Like the traditional 4-3, the nose tackle must occupy the center and one guard, typically the weak-side or pulling guard. One defensive end then matches up with both the strongside tackle and/or strongside guard, while the other has a 1-on-1 matchup with the offense’s blindside tackle. This leaves the outside linebackers free to pass-rush, creating the 3-4 scheme’s distinctive pressure on the passing game.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Good afternoon, Raiders fans!
I just got in and quickly glanced over the comments, so I’ll throw a quick two cents in here:
Since Huff has shown such GREAT improvement in his coverage skills and closing on the ball, I’m completely in favor of moving him to corner (a la Nnamdi converting from a college Safety and becoming a press GOD), play Branch at SS, and put Mitchell at FS. I don’t want Mitchell covering TEs one-on-one and figure he’ll do better at FS with plenty of space to build steam. Routt and Johnson fight it out for the Nickel spot.
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The problem with this is you are moving EVERYONE around. lst off, the light kind of started to go off for Mike Huff last year @ FS. 2ndly Mitchell is NOT a FS type of player. He’s an in the box type of safety. So you would have to move Branch to FS which also wouldn’t overly work. Again, I think you leave Huff free, try MM as your in the box or SS, and then see if you can convert Tyvon to a cover corner which would make him a more valuable asset to both the team and himself. JMHO
February 26th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Mr. Alford :
I’m doing well, how are you?
got 50 minutes left and then I’m ready to start the weekend
woohoo!
February 26th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Tommy Kelly 3rd in NFL for tackles amongst interior lineman
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&statisticPositionCategory=DEFENSIVE_LINEMAN&season=2009&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go
February 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Tommy Kelly 3rd in NFL for tackles amongst interior lineman
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how many tackles has my boy Kirk amassed over the past 5 years?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Vegas Raider – Interesting stat. Does that stat mean he did a good job?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Ted Washington in 04′ 05′. Raiders went 4-12, 5-11.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Turns out it was money well spent
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This is the concept you dont have the brains to understand ron because you are a stooopid fair-weather bandwagon sissy
February 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
if tackles alone are a solid indicator of a player’s worth then Kirk Morrison is one of the league’s best MLB’s and Gibril Wilson never should have been released!
February 26th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
6th in 2008
http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticPositionCategory=DEFENSIVE_LINEMAN&season=2008&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=1&qualified=true&Submit=Go
February 26th, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Kelly:
Ted Washington was 35-36 years old when we signed him!
why do you think the Pats dropped him after just 1 season (2003)?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
I reckon that I stand completely corrected as terminology goes. I played CB and “Monster” LB as high as semi-pro and never heard a 4-3 DT EVER called a NT and was always told that NT was a 3-4 specific designation because of lining up over center (hence being dead center or “nose”) I apologize for that, I guess I was just sticking to rigid definition and ignoring the evolution of terminology. Mea Culpa.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
24…
Yep!! (-;
February 26th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Sam Adams in 02′ 11-5, ok?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
After signing Kelly to big $ and trading for Warren, why would Al draft DTs?
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Warren was a flop in Cleveland & Dungver
Kelly hadn’t even played DT for us until Al gave him the whopping contract to do so
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Actually, this is not quite true. Warren was a decent player in Cleveland, but certainly not what you would expect from an overall number 3. He played decently for Dungver but had a huge salary number coming. Shanahan wanted him to drop it. Warren wouldn’t so they shipped him out. That just so coincides with the demise of the Denver defensive line play and Shanahan’s demise. While Warren has not been an All Pro, he has been durable and worth the 5th rounder we gave up for him.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Seymour Bush:
I don’t see what the problem would be in moving a few players around (or even moving EVERYONE around), if those moves put players where they are more suited to play, would be able to play more comfortably, and most importantly: would be more productive.
On that note: unless we seriously upgrade the O-Line by the end of preseason, move JR to LT.
Without a great line in front of him, we’ll get more value and production out of him there. (not a knock on JR, just sayin that we can’t put Grads, Frye, or Losman there, but if they were 6′6″ and 275, I’d say put them on the line, too… they can’t be worse than Green).
February 26th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Sey Bush: If you’d rather keep Warren over Kelly fine.
but the point remains: we don’t have a NT and we need one!
February 26th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Vegas, I love stats, but you have to take a few more stats into account to gauge the value of TK’s tackles.
Okay, he was 3rd in tackles, but how many opportunities did he have? How many did he miss? I’d be interested in % of tackles on runs through his gaps. Considering that teams just run it up the gut on us over and over and over and over… I would expect him to be top 10 in tackles for interior linemen even if he only made the tackle on one out of ten runs that came at him.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
I agree with your point Steve,
I wish we could go to the “film” now RRS because I’d show you that Warren does exactly what your description of a 4-3 NT should. He is constantly doubled by the G and C. It’s up for debate how well he holds the point of attack against 2 guys at 330 lbs, but my take on it is opposing teams don’t double guys who aren’t any good.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:25 pm
Free Safety is no position for rookies, imo.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Dakota Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Anything new other than the Raiders being fukin retarded?
Why use the exclusive tag on Seymour? Why not let him shop his services, and if he signs a deal that we like we match, if we don’t like it we take that teams TWO FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS!
WTF?
I swear to god Al is brain dead these days.
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Best post of the day…….
I asked my self the same thing. I would take 2 first for seymour everyday of the week……
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We just have to make sure we overpay our players we keep. Otherwise with the other Franchise Tag, he would’ve been paid less and I’m SURRRRE someone would’ve tried to sign him and given us 2 first round picks (sarcastic)
February 26th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Tommy Kelly 3rd in NFL for tackles amongst interior lineman
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What more can the guy do?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
wow. “Money” actually has supporters?
LOL!
Denver trades a guy to a DIVISIONAL RIVAL for a 5TH ROUNDER and he’s a beast?
GW shows up for 1 game and disappears for the next 5 or 6. no difference between him & Sands imo. scrub
February 26th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Jhill:
Just to propose a different perspective here: assuming that TK is better than GW (my opinion)… if I’m an OC and I’m calling a run up the middle, I’d single-block GW and double TK… not because TK is necessarily GOOD… but because I have the available personnel to do that on a dead run up the gut.
TK being doubled doesn’t mean he’s “really good” any more than Kirk’s tackle stats mean that he’s great against the run.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
if tackles alone are a solid indicator of a player’s worth then Kirk Morrison is one of the league’s best MLB’s and Gibril Wilson never should have been released!
—————————————————— Tommy Kelly is not making tackles 5 or 6 yds downfield. Which would be the equivalent of Morrsion and his tackles 10 yds downfield or not at all. Wilson couldn’t cover.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Kell,
I know that he missed a lot of time with that hammy, but I wouldn’t consider MM to be a rookie anymore. At FS, we wouldn’t have to worry about him covering anyone man-to-man like we would at SS. I just don’t trust his coverage skills enough yet to have him man up on TEs at SS. At FS, he can play centerfield and have a head of steam for his hits on runs (if we’re unfortunate enough to have backs in our defensive backfield AGAIN) and plenty of time to read any pass plays and play the BALL instead of the man.
I would hope that MM has had enough experience to be able to handle FS.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
So RRS,
Do opposing teams double scrubs?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
“Do opposing teams double scrubs?”
If you’re running up the middle and have a C, RG, and LG to block two DTs, you double the better of the two DTs. Being doubled in that situation doesn’t mean you’re not a scrub, it just means that you’re better than Gerard Warren.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Steve,
Warren is the one I’m saying gets doubled.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
And my point was never how good or bad Warren is. The point is Warren is doing his job, and Morrsion should be making more plays.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Maybe the OC thought Warren was better than TK… or Warren was having a better game?
I’m not saying GW and TK are total scrubs, just that we need to upgrade. My opinion is that they are the weak points of our Defense, more so than Morrison (a close third). Either way, I’m not attacking GW (or at least trying to be fair), just trying to look at all angles in the light.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Seymour Bush:
I don’t see what the problem would be in moving a few players around (or even moving EVERYONE around), if those moves put players where they are more suited to play, would be able to play more comfortably, and most importantly: would be more productive.
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That’s the entire point. You wouldn’t take your center and move him over to the LT position just to see what happens. Mike Mitchell is not a roving center field type of player. Neither is Tyvon for that matter. Huff is. Mitchell is an in the box kind of guy with limited coverage skills. You don’t want that guy either in center field covering wide outs that run 4.25 forties or on the edge playing corner. You want him in the box or picking up bigger (ie, TE) type guys.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
Experienced QB’s gobble up Green Free Safeties like a handful of peanuts & raisins.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I think that we need to pay Dansby anything he wants for as long as he wants, no rookies at MLB (the QB of the defense, ffs)… and draft DT… I really want to trade our #8 overall, one of our 3rd rounders, and TK to the Lions or Rams so that we can get McCoy or Suh. I would have NO problem with that.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Big plays, Steve.
Specifically big plays. Look at the big plays here and tell me they are not 100% on Morrison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8xL2XT8te8
February 26th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Sey Bush: If you’d rather keep Warren over Kelly fine.
but the point remains: we don’t have a NT and we need one!
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We really don’t have a proto-typical NT here, that I would agree with, and we can really use one. I do agree with that.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
A low center of gravity is a plus when you engage in a struggle of leverage….Our DT’s are geometrically too tall….What we need at DT is 6-1 or 6-2 300lbs DTs,imo
Houston and Price just happen to come to mind
February 26th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
· Mistabrown Says:
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Jerry is it true OakGlenn/Seymour tried to reg 65 screen names ?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
SeyMoron’s Reality Check:
Compulsive Cross Poster:
The compulsive cross poster is someone who has serious self-image problems. They feel that creating multiple handles, and posting to oneself, and then proceeding to read what they posted, in their own little insecure way, they convince themselves they’re not a loser.
Some compulsive cross posters will actually engage in full conversations with themselves, only to gloat later to everyone how they conquered..well..their self.
Once they are exposed, the compulsive cross poster will always make more new handles, hoping to gain back a little bit of self respect that they never seem to find.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
The point is Warren is doing his job
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Jhill: strongly disagree
February 26th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Cop to it Seymoron/Oakglenn…how many handles you currently using?
+/- 10?
How many total have you had?
+/- 50?
February 26th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Krappy are you talking about football or what comes out in your turds?
Man, this Reggae Boat cruise is mo fly – except there’s so much bootie shaking its wobbling the buffet table.
Hey Krappy, did you get that fax off yet to Al? I’m guessing you haven’t because I haven’t heard about the sudden shake up to the front office.
Shizzle
February 26th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Tommy Kelly is not making tackles 5 or 6 yds downfield. Which would be the equivalent of Morrsion and his tackles 10 yds downfield or not at all.
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so none of Kelly’s tackles are 5+ yards downfield, but all of Morrison’s tackles are 10+ yards downfield?
Again. strongly disagree
February 26th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Jhill: strongly disagree
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Would love to go to the film, lol!
February 26th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Jhill, I never said that we should keep Morrison where he is and I’m well aware of the big plays he gives up on with his “I’ll drop ten yards and give them the first down before I break on the ball” B.S. I’ve said the whole time that I want Dansby or another veteran MLB brought in. I just think that upgrading DT is priority 1 and priority 2 for our defense. MLB is priority 3. This is just MY opinion. It’s close in my mind, though… maybe too close to call, but I still say upgrade DT first (mostly because I’m hoping to get a vet via FA before the draft).
February 26th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 25th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Oh good Wacky-chit is here! Hey Wack-ochit someone posted your life story!!
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February 26th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
I still say upgrade DT first (mostly because I’m hoping to get a vet via FA before the draft).
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Steve: all the NT’s in free agency are gone. they’ve been tagged. actually I think Hampton got a 3 year deal with the Stealers too
we’re gonna have to draft somebody unless Tony Brown (Titans) becomes available
February 26th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
# Richochet Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
· Mistabrown Says:
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Jerry is it true OakGlenn/Seymour tried to reg 65 screen names ?
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Of course I have come here being Seymour Bush for the last 5-6 weeks. So either mistabrOwn is some kind of clairvoyant mystic or this post is a flat out lie done by a hold on one second,
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And BTW wacky, take mistabrOwns dik out your ass before you come here.
February 26th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
I’d like Houston in rd 2
February 26th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
I’m well aware of the big plays he gives up on with his “I’ll drop ten yards and give them the first down before I break on the ball” B.S.
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That should be plenty reason to move MLB up on your priority list. At least the DTs are engaging someone. Morrison tiptoeing at MLB fuggs us up big time man!
February 26th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Would love to go to the film
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Jhill: 2 or 3 plays on a YouTube highlight clip do not depict an entire game, season or career.
You could show me 3 different clips where Kirk takes a bad angle and overruns the play, misses a tackle or is too late to react. I could probably find the same thing on Patrick Willis, Karlos Dansby or DeMeco Ryans.
very misleading. I’m not buying the “film” argument any longer
February 26th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
5pm in Podunk. later gents!
have a great/safe weekend!
February 26th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
RRs, I already knew that all the top DTs were tagged or under contract, that’s why I want to trade up and get McCoy or Suh and try to get a veteran MLB via FA or trade. We could always give two 1sts for Seymour’s buddy Wilfork, lol (the lol was only partially funny, because at this point, if he has 3 good years left, I’d probably be in favor of it).
February 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
A low center of gravity is a plus when you engage in a struggle of leverage….Our DT’s are geometrically too tall….What we need at DT is 6-1 or 6-2 300lbs DTs,imo
Houston and Price just happen to come to mind
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Sorry about the distraction fellas. That troll is starting to wig badly.
I don’t know, Albert Hayneworth is 6′6 320, Kevin Williams is 6′5 320, Kris Jenkins is 6′5 340. That seems to be about the going size for some very solid Interior Defensive Linemen
February 26th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Jhill, the reason MLB is 3rd on my list is because I’m taking for granted that we’ll fix it before the draft. I know that’s stupid on my part, though.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
You could show me 3 different clips where Kirk takes a bad angle and overruns the play, misses a tackle or is too late to react. I could probably find the same thing on Patrick Willis, Karlos Dansby or DeMeco Ryans.
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3 clips, yeah. But 3 clips PER GAME? I don’t think you’re going to find that film on those guys.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
I just don’t see how Al Davis could see Dansby out there and NOT give the farm for him. Call me crazy, but I just assume that we’ll get him or another vet who won’t leave a Morrisonesque void in the middle of the second level.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
That having been said, AD will probably stand pat on our linebackers and draft Joe Haden, Dez Bryant, or Eric Berry.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I’ve watched a few games this Price kid play. He’s a football player. Always making plays, quick, strong sob.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Because Cable will say we don’t need new OL (just give them eight more seasons, they’ll develop into All-Pros, says he… he swears!) and Al will ignore DTs to justify his prior investments there.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Al will trade one of the 3rd rounders for three 7th rounder picks and scrape the bottom of the draft barrel for guys who would otherwise end up as UFAs and get two offensive linemen and a DT there.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Brian Price is going to be a very solid Pro Player. I think 8th is too high to take him, and he will not last to the top of the 2nd. One guy who may be around tho is Lamarr Houston. That guy is also a player.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Haden or Bryant wouldn’t be bad picks!
February 26th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Steve A….
IF Taylor Mays is still there in the 2nd. No way Al doesn’t pull the trigger…
But, I think Pete will get him up in Seattle, before Al can make that blunder…least I hope so…
February 26th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
That having been said, AD will probably stand pat on our linebackers and draft Joe Haden, Dez Bryant, or Eric Berry.
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What did I write earlier? It’s a passing league……
February 26th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Neither would Houston in rd 2.
I like the idea of moving Seymour to DT and drafting the best DE in the draft. Either Morgan or Pierre Paul.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Draft Pierr Paul or Morgan in rd1, move Seymour to DT, and trade back up (a #3) to get Spikes!
February 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Morgan would be a good player, Pierre-Paul had one good year against inferior competition. He scares me a bit.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
909, I was referring to the FIRST round, lol. Sadly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Al took Mays in Rd 1 and justified it with, “He’s a great football player, get over it.”
Seymour, I would have no problem “reaching” for Price at #8 if there are no other DTs or OTs on the board when we pick. I think the first round pick for us HAS TO BE the best available OT or DT. Second round HAS TO BE best available DT, OT, MLB, or G. That’s just my opinion, though. I’d rather “reach” on Price and fill a need than take someone we that’s GREAT, but won’t help us as much as a DT or OT would. I’d rather take a “90″ LT than a “98″ WR/KR with that pick. I don’t expect you to agree, but to at least understand my logic.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
If Okung is there at #8 (a big if) grab him, if not grab McClain. 2nd round, Maurkice Pouncey the center from Florida, and then in the 3rd grab an OT/DT or both.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
I like Pierre-Paul on the field, but his attitude gives me pause. I’m worried that he’ll buy a gold Lamborghini and contentedly sit on his pile of cash until the final year of his contract so he can get signed by a better team. He was on my short list of acceptable picks in the 1st round… until I saw an interview.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
If you’re proposing OT at 8, then you’re done with Mario at LT?
February 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Davis has been known to not care what anyone thinks (obviously) and grab who he wants. (See DHB, Mitchell 2009 draft). If it were me I would go with Dan Williams the DT/NT from Tennessee if I were going to “reach” SteveAlford21. That Williams guy just seems like a playa! And he keeps getting better as the competition gets better. Like those kinds of guys.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Seymour, there’s no way that Okung will be there at #8, but IF he is, yeah… that’s a no-brainer. My shortlist is Suh, McCoy, Okung… in that order.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
# jhill Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 3:25 pm
If you’re proposing OT at 8, then you’re done with Mario at LT?
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I think Henderson would be a better RT than LT and by grabbing a true stud LT you take care of TWO BIG PROBLEMS. Henderson is a very big, athletic, good run blocking tackle. The issue with Super Mario is he tends to lose focus. You can do that on the right side. You can’t do that on the left side.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Knowing that Tommy Kelly is going nowhere, I’d have to take McCoy over Suh.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Dan Williams is another guy who would look seem to fit next to Kelly.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Jhill, I MIGHT be persuaded to give Mario another shot at LT and play Okung/Davis/Bulaga (the hypothetical picks) at RT. I think we can give Mario two or three preseason games to show something (or get injured).
Seymour, I like the way Williams plays, but I’m a Kentucky guy, so it’s hard for me to want a Volunteer. It KILLED me that Kiffin went to UT after he left us. I was a big LK supporter, upset to see him fired, and really wanted to support him after he was gone. Then he ended up at UT and I had to wish him the worst. Now that he’s at USC, it’s nothing to me. Either way, I’m chasing rabbits there. The point is that I’d be happy with taking Williams, too… as long as we fill a need… even if it’s with a Vol… yuck.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
There is always going to be some surprises in the draft (normally from us!) Right now, it looks like KC is the top stop for Russell Okung. However, KC has SO many problems, and Brandon Albert didn’t play too poorly over there last year. They could easily grab McClain, which might put Okung right in our laps depending on how Claussen and Bradford pen out.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
To finish the thought on Mario: if he doesn’t show something BIG in the first couple of preseason games, put his big ass at RT and keep him there.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
I really hope that Bulaga shows something before the draft that makes KC fall in love with him, Cleveland and Seattle go anything but OT, and Okung falls to us. This is assuming that Suh, McCoy, Bradford, and JPP are gone in the first four. A fella can dream, can’t he?
February 26th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
We can get a guy like Ciron Black in rd 2 or 3 to play RT. If I draft an OT at 8, he’s going to be my LT and it’s time to start talking about Henderson as a RT. Cable wasn’t impressed last year and brought in his boy Barnes. Hard to think that this past years performance gave Cable more confidence in the guy.
OT at 8 = Henderson done at LT.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Do you think that Pete Carroll would reach on Griffen (projected late 1st) just to get one of “his” guys? I really hope so… my scenario to get Okung or Bulaga kind of hinges on that… and on Cleveland not going OT, as well.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Damn it! How do I always fall into this trap? I hate talking draft! It’s a fruitless endeavor! You guys have to stop doing this to me!!!
February 26th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
We could always cut Gallery, wait for him to sign with another team, then trade a 1st round pick to get him back!
Trade for Chris Carr! Trade for Fabian Washington! Do other stupid things!
February 26th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
And if Henderson is going to be a RT, he needs to be working on that switch NOW! Not and the end of camp when he loses the LT battle. Very first OTA, have his ass at RT!
February 26th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
Convert JaMarcus to LT! Start Ricky Brown at QB!
February 26th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
… I hope you’re all happy now…
All this draft talk has broken me. Either that or I crushed one too many. I reckon it’s probably a combination of the two.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
The issue with Mario Henderson is he wore down last year. I want a guy who is going to wear the opposition out, not the other way around. I think Henderson could be a Pro Bowl RT. I like his athleticism, I like his size, I think he would be better going against Base Ends not Rush Ends.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:46 pm
Well any ways fellas, time to go start crushing ‘em myself. See y’alls next time. Wonder where troll boy slithered off to? Probably blowing mistabrOwn.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
We could make JaMarcus play two-way football and have him go in at DT, too.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Seymour… you enjoy partaking in the pharmaceuticals as well? Nifty, says I.
February 26th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Pill Snortin Raider Know it All’s, eh?
February 26th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Just the sticky 4me thank you very much
February 26th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Krappy you must be very confused still from your afternoon nap. That’s why I always recommend you stick your head in the toilet and flush a few dozen times to perk you back up.
Maybe then you’ll be clear enough to start writing that FAX manifesto to Al. You know, the one about the teams stats over the last 7 years?
February 26th, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Jhill,you keep perpetuating the myth that Barnes is ‘Cable’s guy’.If he was Cables guy,how come he never say the field?You know how the Raiders work.The coaches go to the GM and say they need certain positions-the GM asks who is available-the coaches tell him then he(the GM) goes out and signs the guys.Barnes had the most upside of the FA tackles last year,so he was signed.He didn’t work out,but it is totally wrong to say he is a Cable guy knowing how this team works.
BTW,Henderson’s play deteriorated after Gallery was lost to injury,just as most LTs play gets worse when they lose a good LG playing next to them.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Saw the field
February 26th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Kell:
Yes, I am a pill-snortin, Jameson-drinkin Raider Know-it-All.
It makes it easier to deal with things like taking DHB instead of drafting for the trenches. I’m stocking up on booze and painkillers in anticipation of screaming at Al for taking Haden/Bryant/Berry/Thomas/Wilson/Benn/Mays this April. My birthday is March 26th, so hopefully I’ll be able to party had enough over that weekend that I won’t be coherent again until after the draft, thereby saving myself the pain and aggravation. *crosses fingers*
February 26th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
And to be clear, I’d scream over any of those picks as long as there is a SINGLE top-three-at-their position DT or OT on the board when we pick.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Mitch Petrus OG who blocked for DMAC and Felix Jones tied the record for most reps 225 lbs, I guess his stock will jump from fourth rounder to a third rounder, I am really high on this guy, he is the run blocker who could do wonders for this team, besides he might put some sense into DMAC.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Answer to #19 Mike Mayock thought all those guys had issues
February 26th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
4eva,
you’re still here my brother. Good.
well, the Raiders don’t need no stinkin’ TEs.
The Raiders don’t need no stinkin’ safeties.
The Raiders wouldn’t need no stinkin’ running backs if a certain skinny-legged Hog would man up to the NFL the way he did to pretty little thangs in Fayetteville.
The Raiders don’t need no stinkin’ DEs what with SeymourDick, Shaughnessy and Trevor lurking around. The Raiders don’t need no stinkin’ kickers.
What the Raiders stinkin’ need is bonafide QB play instead of bonehead and fido play.
What the Raiders stinkin’ need is a psychologist, sports or otherwise, a priest, a shaman, an animal trainer, a freakin’ necromancer – anybody to get the WR corps to perform adequately.
What the Raiders stinkin’ need is for a linebacker to cause grievous harm to any opposing RB or WR daring to venture into the middle.
What the Raiders stinkin’ need is a DT to bust things up rather than to say “Ole!”
What the Raiders stinkin’ need is an OFFENSIVE LINE!!!!!
Cable? We don’t need no stinking Cable! We got us a Hue Jack now!
Yay.
Raider on.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
So ZMiller is having a bachelor party in Vegas this weekend..
February 26th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Hello Raider Nation,
I want to throw my two cents in on the draft and FA, also. It’s all just good, clean fun and harmless conjecture any way, so here it goes.
I too would like to see the Raiders get in on the Karlos Dansby sweepstakes. He’s big, 250+, fast and mean. He’s still young and just entering the prime of his career. He’s also a playmaker, recording an 8 sack season and also returning two or three picks to the house in his young career. He would look awesome in Silver and Black.
However, he’s also going to be the 2nd most sought after free agent in the league, behind J Peppers. He’s going to command huge dollars. Al is already going to have to pay Seymour, and another top 10 pick. On top of what he just gave Jano. Realistically I don’t know if Al is going to be able to outbid everybody else. The Raiders aren’t in the best shape cap-wise, and are supposedly cash strapped, at least in relation to most other teams. I would love to see it, just don’t know how realistic it is.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Buckeye, you just summed up a week’s worth of my posts very nicely. Thank you.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
Steve,
Buckeye only needs an hour or so to consolidate more sense than a year’s worth of input on this here dear ol’ blog.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Ole!
February 26th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Jhill,you keep perpetuating the myth that Barnes is ‘Cable’s guy’.If he was Cables guy,how come he never say the field?
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Because he broke his ankle in training camp, and never got on track. Point is, he was brought in to compete for the LT spot. THE reason we didn’t draft an OT last year.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:45 pm
That’s nice but what about Vegas?
February 26th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Mitch Petrus OG who blocked for DMAC and Felix Jones tied the record for most reps 225 lbs,
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I saw that 4eve …
Wondered who he was and what his projection was. Think I’d rather have fat ass Langstons, lol!
February 26th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Plan B might be Antonio Pierce, who was recently released by the Giants. He would probably come a lot cheaper than Dansby. He’s also older and coming off a serious neck injury. If he is healthy, he is definitely a better tackler, and much more physical than anybody they have now, especially Kirk. He would also help provide some more veteran leadership.
There is the little issue of the disparaging remarks he made about the Raiders last year. Saying it felt like a scrimmage out there. However, if you read the whole quote, he said he was a lifelong Raider fan, and it pained him to see his boyhood, favorite team, take a butt whooping like that. So, I don’t think that would be too big of a deal. Everybody knows how Al loves to sighn those “Raider Fans”.
Pierce might not be a bad consolation prize, if the Raiders are unable to afford Dansby.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Being concise is overrated. Random, disjointed, rambling thoughts FTW!
February 26th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Have a wonderful evening Nation
February 26th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Buckeye, I totally agree on Pierce. I wasn’t offended by his remarks last season because, well… it LOOKED like the Giants were scrimmaging against a semi-pro scout team and I heard the entire interview, not just one soundbyte taken out of context. The fear of him not being at full speed or being damaged goods will help us with the price… and it’s not like it’s the biggest stretch on a reclamation project that Al’s ever taken. I still want Dansby the most, but Pierce isn’t a bad consolation prize.
February 26th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Cant take a chance on a hard hitting player coming off a neck injury, can we?
I do believe that Al is going to spend some big $ on a guy not on our roser, so we’ll see about Dansby.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
They already have a young TE that may end up being even better tham Miller with Meyers. The young TE was a steal in last years draft.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
The guy I think could be key to the raiders off season is Marshall Yanda of Baltimore. I know I’ve said this a couple of times, so sorry if I keep repeating myself. I think he is a restricted FA, so Balt. could match. I haven’t heard if they tendered or anything yet. It might be costly, but the Raiders should try to pry him from Balt. He can play either RG or RT. He was a couple of years behind Gallery at Iowa. I don’t know if they know each other. Hue Jackson should surely be familiar with him though. He is supposed to be the type of tough, hard working, nose to the grindstone lineman that Cable covets. And unlike most of the other available free agent lineman, who are over the hill, he is still young and growing as a player.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
If we didn’t have so many needs, I would draft :
1- ILB McClain
2- OLB Spoon
3- DT T Cody if available or Cam Thomas
3- DE Austen Lane
4- LB Micah Johnson
5- KR Jacoby Ford if available, LSU Kid, or aleroy Vann
5- CB Walter Thurmond
It’s a good year for Defense!
February 26th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Jhill,not trying to argue with you,the only thing we totally disagree on is one position.All I’m doing is pointing out the main complaint HCs have when leaving the Raiders is lack of roster control while Barnes is being touted as a Cable guy and we all know the roster is made up of the guys the GM brings onto the team.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Then Go sign OL and QB in FA!
February 26th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Jhill Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
I saw that 4eve …
Wondered who he was and what his projection was. Think I’d rather have fat ass Langstons, lol!
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I am with you Langstons can start but if he struggles or seems out of shape, this guy is legit, he is very strong and was responsible for DMAC and Felix Jones success in Arkansas. He was projected as a fourth rounder but with good week in the combine, he might end up early 3rd. I don’t think I would put my whole faith on Walker, we need a young guy who can show up if veterans struggles.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
# Senior Beeecham Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Krappy you must be very confused still from your afternoon nap. That’s why I always recommend you stick your head in the toilet and flush a few dozen times to perk you back up.
Maybe then you’ll be clear enough to start writing that FAX manifesto to Al. You know, the one about the teams stats over the last 7 years?
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Ah yes…the 7th grade level toilet humor.
What would 7th graders do without it?
I can just see you giggling each time, Silly Lil Beech…you and your 13 year old buddies high fiving…laughing over the exact same pathetic whine for the 50th time…telling each other your masters of the universe of your bedroom.
Ahhh…to be young and easily entertained again….
February 26th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
I’m done with the Law Firm! I want Beef!
February 26th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Richochet, I hate to admit it, but I’ve become so used to the retardation that it kind of feels wrong to be here in the P.M. without the juvenile comments riddled throughout the posts. Oddly enough, I don’t miss them when I log in early.
It’s almost Pavlovian: If I’m here and the sun isn’t out, the blog seems broken if it’s NOT broken.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
O-since we know we are going to have a lot of beef playing QB,we’d better get some Grade AAA quality beef in front of him.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Hey Raider O. What’s up? Legalize it! The sweater vest is taking a lot of heat out this way about this years recruiting class. They’re saying he’s lost his touch. Man, some OSU fans are spoiled. How soon they forget, where they were before Tressel arrived in Columbus.
Snnyjcbs,
I agree with you on Meyers. Maybe not that he’ll be better than Zach. But I really like that guy also. He was supposed to be a blocking TE coming out of Iowa. But I think it was the SF preseason game that he caught my eye. That SOB seemed to catch everything thrown his way. I hope Hue Jackson utilizes more 2 TE sets, with a power running game, and utilizes Meyers a lot more.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
To go back to the TK tackles argument real quick.
Even though he has been 3rd and 6th in tackles for interior lineman, true that measure alone doesn’t make him the 3rd or 6th best lineman.
But for one, it shows the guy has played a lot, and stayed healthy and on the field. Not easy for DT’s. I think Haynesworth has played 16 games once in 8 years.
And second, let’s say these numbers are a little inflated do to the volume of running plays against the Raiders. Even still, how far are they inflated? Is it really a reach to say the guy who was 3rd and 6th in tackles the last two years is the 15th best DT in footballl. 20th?
I still say he starts for more teams than he doesn’t.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Dansby isn’t going to be a Raider and thats probably for the best. He’s good, but not great and will want the bank, plus he’s interested in NY, the Skins, Fins and *gulp* the Chargers…
February 26th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
USDA Beef!! LMAO
I Agree with you. We need to fix the Oline. I don’t want to fix that RUN D anymore, I want to cut everyone in the front 7 other than Scott, Seymour, Ellis, Matt S, and D Bryant as a backup.
Same with OLine: cut everone but Mario, Gallery, and Satele as a backup.
I’m gone with trying to fix the problem. We need to start fresh in the Oline and Front 7.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
LangsTON Walker sucks and is lay zee…
Draft Trent Williams or Bulaga if he’s there. Fix the O line please.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Buckeyeraider,
The OSU program is doing well, but needs to improve. He is a great coach, but we are lacking some Talent. (damn mich keeps stealing them)
Legalize it!!
February 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
If we take an O-lineman in the first, obviously Okung would be first, than I say Trent Williams or Iupati even.
You know there is going to be at least one bust of the top OT’s, who will be out of the league in 4-5 years, there always is.
I say Campbell seems like the biggest likelihood, with Anthony Davis second likeliest.
Both have had their work ethic questioned already. Hand them 25 million dollars and an iffy franchise, and that is destined to fail.
No Campbell!!!!!
February 26th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
Which is more important: fixing the Oline, or the Defense front 7?
February 26th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
hey Vegas..
February 26th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
OLINE!!!!!!!
February 26th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
Buckeye,
When you come to Cali, I will smoke all kinds of green with you. Purp, GDP, Diff kinds of Cush, and Blue Dream. I know the quality there is not great and very expensive.
Legalize it everywhere but Mich!!
Damn you mich!
February 26th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Get a good,bad-ass run stuffing MLB and the front 7 improves.If we don’t fix the Oline we still won’t be able to score points.If we can’t score points,we can’t win games.I hate to say it but if we are going to lose,I’d rather lose games 32-28 than 17-10.Just my preference.
February 26th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
This Mock draft is for you Lefty.
1- OT A Davis
2- OG M Iupati , or OT T Williams if Available. DT T Cody, or Kyle Calloway.
3- C JD Walton
3- DT Cam Thomas
4- ILB Micah Johnson
February 26th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Vegas
You want Iupati as 8th overall pick?
February 26th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Raider O
At the third I would like NT Jay Ross, I think we a need a real NT just in case if we end up playing a bit of 3-4 in certain packages or third down situations or if we are up with 2 minutes to go instead of playing prevent defense, we can disguise the blitz using Jay Ross as NT, along with Seymour and Kell as DE and having Scott and Ellis play OLB.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
Do you like it?
February 26th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
O-I like that one except no Cody.If a guy can’t control his weight in college,I doubt he will in the pros.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
So, if I got to play GM Jr., and run the Raiders draft this year, here is what I would try to do. This is supposing they were able to sign Yanda, and unable to afford Dansby.
Rd. 1 Rolando McClain ILB Alabama. He’s big, physical, and instinctive. He is also supposed to be a student of the game. A captain type. Lives in the film room, calls all the audibles. He is also a winner, and a national champion. I Like Capt. Kirk, just not in the middle. Not big enough, not physical enough. Can’t shed blocks or clog inside running lanes. He has to be replaced. The run D must be upgraded.
Now, I would trade the 2nd Rd pick along with the 3rd from NE, and even the extra 5th if nescesary, to jump back into the mid to late 1st Rd and grab G. Mike Iupati of Idaho. He’s a vandal you know Cable has to love the guy.
Rd 3 DT Teernce Cody of Alabama,if he slips this far due to conditioning or DT Dan Williams of Tenn. Another step to upgrade that porous run D.
RDs 4-7 Best available athlete.
There, that’s my two cents. Pure speculation of course. But, what do you gus think?
February 26th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Jay Ross can be drafted in the 5th IMO. Good NT, but not a pass rusher.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Lefty12
The problem with our OL is not entirely the lineman, its all so having a QB that goes on his progression and throws a quick pass. This is the NFL, if a QB is holding the ball for more then 10 secs, he will get killed regardless of who is the linemen. Mark Sanchez had the best linemen, but when he held the ball too long he got sacked. That is why I would rather have Grad over JR cause at least if there is nothing open down the field, dude can run the ball and get us a first down. Other thing is, its rare for a whole new unit OL to play well together from the start of the season, if we replace the Center, RG and RT with rookies, I guarantee you they would give up as many sacks and penalties. I would rather start the veterans and ease the rookies by week 4.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
I think anytime a DT is making tackles, it’s a good thing.
So the DT AND the MLB are making tackles, eh??
February 26th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Nnamdi, you and I have agreed on pretty much everything that we’ve discussed so far, but I have to oppose you on Dansby. A good measuring stick for me has always been “How bad would it be if they played for another team in our division?”
If I fear having him as a rival, then he’s worth top-five-at-his-position money, every time… at least in MY opinion. It may be a stretch and probably highly unlikely given the alleged cashflow shortages, but I think it’s more than worth trying our damnedest.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Why does everyone want to put so much focus on the Def. when we are one of the lowest scoring teams in the league?We need to score more points!If our Off. could score more and hold the ball for say 5-10 more minutes a game and not be one of the highest 3 an out teams,the Def. would be dramatically improved.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Raider O:
I loved that proposed draft.
Too bad it won’t happen.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Buckeye,
-Dan Williams is 1st RD talent, and he will be drafted in the 1st.
-I’m not sold on Iupati, he was holding A LOT in the SR Bowl.
McClain is a STUD.
IMHO: anyhting other than Suh, McCoy, Okung, McClain, A Davis, or Joe Haden will be the wrong pick.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
What’s going on 408?
February 26th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Lefty, that’s why I said to forget about McClain and Spikes. We have to get a VETERAN MLB through FA or trade and then use those four draft picks in the first three rounds on OT, G, and DT. Whichever is top available at one of those three positions (and ONLY those three positions) is the pick at that time. We use one of the four picks on DT, the other three are OT and G.
I’d love to get a veteran DT, but all of them worth having are either under contract or have been franchised (both cases would require WAY too much to acquire them via trade). Offensive Line needs to be our #1 priority in the draft.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
I would also be perfectly fine with trading our #8 overall, one of the 3rd round picks, and TK to either the Rams or the Lions in exchange for their #1 or #2, so that we can get McCoy or Suh.
Then we use our 2nd and 3rd AND 4th round picks on the best offensive linemen on the board at the time of the picks.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
4Eva-I think we all know who is going to start the year at QB.But even if Gradkowski is given a chance to win the job and does so,I’d like to see a line that could keep him healthy.If he isn’t then we have to build the best line we can to give the chosen one more time.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Berry and Dez B are great players, but we don’t need them.
We drafted DHB with the 7th pick last year, and we have have good talent and depth at Safety.
I’m not sold on the 2 QBs, and all other players will be a reach with the 8th.
No more REACHING!!
February 26th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Can’t wait until next week so I can place my order!!
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February 26th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Dammit, it didn’t show my custom “Bruce” #5
February 26th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
If I was a GM, this who I would like
1) Okung OT or Dez Bryant WR
2) Spikes MLB or Weatherspoon MLB
3) Mitch Petrus OG or Arenas CB
3) Jay Ross NT or Marshall Newhouse OG
4) Eric Olsen or Matt Tennant (Centers is a need)
5) Jacoby Ford WR/KR or Linval Joseph DT
5) Sam Young OT or Ciron Black OT
I know many of you think Dez shouldn’t be our priority, but think about it this way, how many of you wished we drafted Calvin Johnson the year we took Jamarcus? Dez is a beast, I will regret see him in shine in another uniform and having a young guy like McClain being average. I am not sold on McClain, unless we switching to 3-4 and utilizing his sack abilities. I know what kind of MLB system we implement and McClain doesn’t fit, some people think he might learn, we don’t need a guy who would learn, we need a guy to replace Kirk Morrison.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
So our new, and hopefully improved O-line would look like this:
LT Henderson
LG Gallery
C Satele
RG Iupati
RT Yanda
Hopefully, this young and aggressive line would help open some running lanes for our 3 headed rushing attack.
Carslisle has been serviceable, but is aging and slowing down. Green is too often a drive killing, false start machine. Both should be relegated to veteran back-up status. I wouldn’t mind re-signing Langston walker. He would be a valuable back up at both guard and tackle positions.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
I like talking positions more than names for a couple reasons.1st off if you talk names you get disappointed if your ‘guy’ isn’t picked.2nd we KNOW our GM will pick someone besides who everyone discusses so that will piss us off.But it is fun to see the names thrown about.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Raider O Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Berry and Dez B are great players, but we don’t need them.
We drafted DHB with the 7th pick last year, and we have have good talent and depth at Safety.
I’m not sold on the 2 QBs, and all other players will be a reach with the 8th.
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Just because we drafted DHB last year doesn’t mean we’re set at receiver. If Bryant is there, I think we’ve got to consider it.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
I’m watching the sr bowl on NFLN, and i’m not sold on Iupati at all!
February 26th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Along with OL and MLB,we seriously need to think about DE.Last year Ellis missed playing time and couldn’t practice due to age and injuries.We have to find a replacement for him in case he is done.i really like him and what he brings to the team but better to get someone now than wait too long.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Debo, why would we consider Dez when we can’t protect long enough to let a play develop and get him the ball? Offensive Line has to be the top priority. Playmakers are no good if you can’t run a play.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Vegas
You want Iupati as 8th overall pick?
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If we were to draft O-line #8 I think he would be my third choice after Okung and T Williams.
Obviously you would try to trade down if your taking Iupati.
I think the pick at #8 has to upgrade the middle of our defense.
And I would trade with the Lions, give them #8, a 3rd this year, and a 2nd next year, and take Suh.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Richochet, Beachem isn’t a 13 year old. 13 year olds have far better things to do than hang out on a Raider blog and defend Al Davis. Try him and his 40 year old season ticket holder, divorced/never married buddies high fiving each other, and you’re closer to it.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
About Bryant,while he is an outstanding talent,it seems every year or so the next great WRs come along and most of the time the guys picked lower turn into just as good of players over time.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
O,
Iupati had an uneven Senior bowl game. He had the holding call that wiped out a big play, and then could have been flagged on the very next play. He also had some moments of stellar play. There were a couple of times he just collapsed the Dline and opened huge holes. He also looked adept at blocking a lineman and then slipping to the second level and picking up another block.
From what I’ve heard he was also supposed to have had an excellent week of practice, and is a player that is supposed to be moving up a lot of draft boards. Some scouts think he even has the footwork to move out to LT. But, yeah, you’re right. There were some times he seemed to struggle.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Debo, why would we consider Dez when we can’t protect long enough to let a play develop and get him the ball? Offensive Line has to be the top priority. Playmakers are no good if you can’t run a play.
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100% agreed that the OL needs to be upgraded. Drafting Bryant doesn’t mean we can’t/won’t do that. We have more than one draft choice. There’s also the possibility of getting FAs or pulling off atrade or two. I’m very high on Bryant as a No. 1 wideout and this team needs one. Otherewise we go into the season with the passing game’s fortunes in the hands of Chaz. And we know how that turned out last year. He’s good when he’s healthy. But the guy was injured in college and his 1st two years in the league.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Iupati will probably go in the 17-25 range, IMO.
That’s pretty high for a G.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Al Davis would never draft Bryant. That would be an admission of failure.
February 26th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
Good night Raider nation
February 26th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Excellent point KK.
February 26th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Debo:
Also, I saw you question this morning that you asked me after I went to bed the other night. I have always admitted that the horrible Offensive Line play has hindered JR. I also state that behind the SAME LINE, Charlie Frye had 333 yards in a game and then 180 with a TD, no INT, no fumbles in a half before the lack of protection got him put out. JR finished that game with 108 yards, INT, 1 fumble lost.
I think JR has all the tools and capability to be great and I hope that he someday does, but for NOW… he’s fat, lazy, and he does dumb things (like missing meetings, not doing film study, being last to show, first to leave, etc). Until JR commits himself to doing all the things that he needs to do to become elite, I say to stick with Grads, Losman, and Frye. They might not be able to take the big hits that JR can absorb, but they take care of the ball, get 1st downs, and put points on the board. JR actually played much better in that half (only made three BAD throws that I counted, one of them picked… and he held he ball higher than usual on the fumble and was blindsided, so he takes less blame for it than usual), but it’s still not enough. Still, it’s progress and improvement. However, he has to spend this entire offseason getting in shape mentally and physically in order to get my backing.
I don’t know why you thought you were being clever or trying to trick me there, I’ve never been one calling to cut JR or calling him BRL. I truly hope that he gets his act together and becomes what he has the potential to be… and that he does it WITH US. However, he just finished his third year with very little progression and my faith in him is low. He just seems to be a waste of natural ability so far. I’m not one of the ones just condemning him, I also talk about what he NEEDS TO DO, not only what he’s done/is doing wrong.
And for you and Priest and all those who say that I only fault him because he’s black… I wanted us to draft Andre Woodson (black QB from UK) and I’m all in favor of us somehow getting Troy Smith (another black QB) and letting him start from day ONE. Race has nothing to do with it… JR just hasn’t shown me anything but a gut and a lack of accuracy and failure to make his reads.
February 26th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Once the “black QB” talk starts floating around, that’s my cue to bail.
Cheers Raider Nation!!
February 26th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Debo:
Yes, we have more than one draft choice. HOWEVER, every pick that isn’t used to address a need means that we have a lower quality set of players available for use in addressing that need when we get around to it. The fact that we have MORE picks doesn’t matter when we can’t get guys as good with the later picks. I think that our first pick HAS TO BE either Okung (probably gone by then), Davis, Bulaga, or Williams. All are top-10 quality OTs, so it won’t be “reaching” just to fill a need. I’m not denying that Dez is a fantastic talent, but I wouldn’t endorse taking him even if we had TWO picks in the top ten; we just have too many MORE PRESSING needs.
Hopefully we get Dansby or another MLB through FA/trade, but if we go to draft day as we are now, our top four priorities have to be OT, DT, G, MLB. I don’t think we can afford to use our first five picks (four in the first 3 rounds) on any other positions, no matter WHO is available. We don’t have the luxury of affording to waste a pick on anything other than OT, DT, G, or MLB. Nothing else will improve our team enough.
February 26th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Steve,
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on Russell. I think his deficiencies have been overblown and his strenths understated. But that’s something we’ll just have to see about. As for the original subject, we have needs in the OL. But in my opinion, we have a need at WR as well.
February 26th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Good night, Vegas. Sorry for broaching that subject, but it was a pre-emptive strike against the inevitable “you don’t like him because he’s not what you want in a QB” argument.
February 26th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Debo, I have never downplayed Russell’s strengths… but at this point, his weaknesses far outweigh them. You can’t continue to start someone who refuses to change the way he approaches the game. I could even handle the gut (reluctantly) if he would just start going to film sessions and stop blaming teammates. As I said, he has unbelievable tools and amazing physical gifts and I believe without a doubt that he could be All-Pro next season (no B.S.) if only he gave a damn and actually WORKED at being an elite QB instead of just blowing it all off. I’m a southerner myself and JR exudes our laidback “it’ll do what it’s gonna do” attitude at all times. I need him to be proactive… or hell, just ANY kind of active… if I’m going to support him.
I want him to succeed, but HE’S the one making me want him on the pine. Hopefully he’ll be a new man when OTAs arrive and lean, mean, and ready to study and drill more than he’s ever dreamed of once camp comes. If he is in shape, learning, has a 2-1 TD to INT ratio, and cuts down on the fumbles, he could lose EVERY game next year and I’d support him. All I need to see is the effort… that would give me faith that he’ll win the next season.
February 26th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
All this is predicated on the big IF, though. As it stands right now… without JR showing the work and desire… I want Russell behind Grads and Losman AND Frye. I really hope he shows us all a reason to stick with him, EARNS his starting spot, and then proves that he was just a late-bloomer by blowing the doors off the league. I want a vastly-improved offensive line so that he has every chance to succeed. However, if nothing changes and he regresses, I’ll be the first to shake my head and sigh.
February 26th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Have a great and safe weekend Buckeye.
Go Buckeyes!
Damn you mich!
February 26th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
You guys are insane. This team has no offensive line and an offensive gamelan that leaves the QB on an island with his junk in his hand. Bruce Almighty’s ‘10 season will end the same way his ‘09 season did. Injured. And that’s assuming Al ever even lets him play.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
RMR, please scroll up and read post 331 by me and let me know what you think… specifically the second paragraph and how our draft MUST BE used for the offensive line.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Marcel Reece looks like he could be a valuable option as another receiving TE. Nothing against Tony Stewart, but I think Reece has much more upside at this point with Miller the No. 1 guy and Myers as a solid blocking TE with receiving capabilities as well.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
I liked Reece when he split out wide in the Baltimore game… if only he were taller, it would’ve been great.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
O,
Iupati had an uneven Senior bowl game. He had the holding call that wiped out a big play, and then could have been flagged on the very next play. He also had some moments of stellar play. There were a couple of times he just collapsed the Dline and opened huge holes. He also looked adept at blocking a lineman and then slipping to the second level and picking up another block.
From what I’ve heard he was also supposed to have had an excellent week of practice, and is a player that is supposed to be moving up a lot of draft boards. Some scouts think he even has the footwork to move out to LT. But, yeah, you’re right. There were some times he seemed to struggle.
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I’m a big fan of Iupati. He was getting rave reviews during the Senior Bowl practice week. You’re right about his game being up and down. One thing I noticed is that when he played at LG — his position throughout his time at Idaho — he was downright dominant. I saw more than one play where he completely wiped out not just 1 but 2 defenders from that side. All his shaky moments came at RG. I think he’s a guy that probably got away with some sloppy habits — not moving his feet and grabbing — because he was so completely superior to most of the competition he faced in the WAC. But he does have very agile feet for a guy his size and that tells me as long as he corrects those bad habits he can be a dominant force anywhere along the o-line.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
vegas raider Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Probably our strongest position, TE.
I think even our backups, Myers and Stewart, would make a lot of rosters and do what they do here, elsewhere.
How many other positions can we say that about? WR? QB? OL? DT?
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Respectfully disagree.
Safety.
Article on RNS called “Safety First” about how since Huff’s 09′ play as an emerging center fielder coupled with Branch and rookie Mitchell Oakland suddenly strong at a position thats been lacking since Stacy Toran.
Really looking forward to seeing Tyvon in the Pro Bowl after next season. Even if its for special teams.
Hope I hope I hope we do something about Morrison at MLB.
Someone mentioned 6-4, 272 lb DE Derrick Morgan outa GT.
Frankly at this juncture, some D line hlep would be nice, but with Seymour here and Shaughnessy showing signs of growth, I’d be surprised, then again I think we’ve all been surprised by Davis on draft day…
Deep draft for both sides of the line. IF Oakland decides to go that route this April.
IF we take Haden at 8? Oh well…he’s pretty frikken good at man.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
Please gawd, let us get Trent Williams.
Trent Williams ??? T, Oklahoma, 6-5, 318, 1: Gets the job done more with fluid athleticism than force but plays with a high-rev motor. He is especially impressive handling quick, finesse-type defensive ends with his footwork and balance. While Williams appears to have enough strength to stop bull rushers, he is not always successful because he struggles to maintain a leverage position when attacked head on and has not learned to use his hands to jolt a defender. He moved from right to left tackle in 2009 and displayed an ability to recognize and react to various blitzes with an exceptional burst of speed and agility. – Frank Cooney, USA TODAY/NFL Draft Scout
He can learn and frankly, Cable IS a good line coach. Willaims would be a force in the ZBS and in theory, could keep pass rushers off Russell / Whomever.
Need a new RT desperately Mr Davis…
February 26th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
I don’t know all that much about Derrick Morgan. I know he’s rated very high on most boards and it must be for a reason. But the only time I saw him play was in GT’s bowl game vs. Iowa and Morgan got completely stonewalled in that game. Didn’t get within the same zip code as the QB. That scares me right there.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
341. Iupati tends to grab ALOT. Needs more polish then people realize and it would be a reach to try and plug him in at LT. Maybe after a few seasons…
February 26th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Steve,
We’ll just have to agree to disagree on Russell. I think his deficiencies have been overblown and his strenths understated. But that’s something we’ll just have to see about. As for the original subject, we have needs in the OL. But in my opinion, we have a need at WR as well.
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Whatta ya mean?! We’ve got Javon Walker haven’t we?! lol!
I think Dez isn’t fast enough for one, but to pay two “rookie” wides that much cash? Not gonna happen.
IF anything Hayden may get snagged as our nickle back return specialist.
I hope its an O line pick like Bulaga or Trent Williams.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Nnamdi21:
Post 331. Thoughts, please.
February 26th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
I still kind of think Dez Bryant is the best player in this draft. I see him as the next T.O. But I highly doubt the Raiders take him. For one, it’d almost be an admission that taking DHB at No. 7 last year was a ridiculous pick. You know Al’s not going to want to do that. And secondly, I think he could already be gone by the time we pick.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Chris, I REALLY hope that Dez is gone by the time that we pick… because that increases the chances of Bulaga or Davis still being on the board. We desperately need OT talent…
February 26th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
I wonder who Denver will take at 10? or is ti 11? Don’t know who won the toss.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see Eric Berry go to them.
If they took Dez Bryant it sure would make a statement about B. Marshall.
If theres a QB like Bradford or someone, they could go that route.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Man, I don’t know why you guys want Bulaga, the guy has red flag on him. Read all the knock on this guy besides the short arm.
LT Bryan Bulaga projects as a first-round pick despite a thyroid condition that forced him in and out of the lineup this season. Scouts love his 6-foot-6 frame and his run-blocking ability, although Bulaga was thoroughly handled by Michigan’s speedy DE Brandon Graham during the season.Bryan Bulaga’s arms measured at just 33 1/4 inches. This shouldn’t be a huge deal, but it could be enough to scare some teams off and keep him out of the top 10.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
4eve, I’m not saying he’s my #1 choice, but I AM saying that I’d rather have him… or any of the top five OTs in the draft… than Dez or any other player that doesn’t fill a need.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Debo:
Yes, we have more than one draft choice. HOWEVER, every pick that isn’t used to address a need means that we have a lower quality set of players available for use in addressing that need when we get around to it. The fact that we have MORE picks doesn’t matter when we can’t get guys as good with the later picks.
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Actually, our later round picks have been more hits than misses especially compared to our 1st round DPs the last 3 yrs or so.
Gems like Tyvon Branch (4th rnd) Trevor Scott (6th rnd) Chaz Schilens (7th rnd) Matt Shaunessy (3rd rnd) Louis Murphy (4th rnd)Brandon Myers (6th rnd)
Granted, its early in their careers and most have yet to prove themselves, but they’ve shown signs of life and can’t be considered out right busts at all.
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I think that our first pick HAS TO BE either Okung (probably gone by then), Davis, Bulaga, or Williams. All are top-10 quality OTs, so it won’t be “reaching” just to fill a need. I’m not denying that Dez is a fantastic talent, but I wouldn’t endorse taking him even if we had TWO picks in the top ten; we just have too many MORE PRESSING needs.
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Agreed.
No way Davis pays top ten money to two “rookie” receivers.
Deep draft on BOTH sides of the line. Pray we go that direction. Williams would be my pick at RT.
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Hopefully we get Dansby or another MLB through FA/trade, but if we go to draft day as we are now, our top four priorities have to be OT, DT, G, MLB. I don’t think we can afford to use our first five picks (four in the first 3 rounds) on any other positions, no matter WHO is available. We don’t have the luxury of affording to waste a pick on anything other than OT, DT, G, or MLB. Nothing else will improve our team enough.
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Dansby will be over priced and is along the lines of the two guys we’ve already got. He’s good, but not great. Not going to happen anyway.
Maybe on Madden.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see us take Hayden at CB if he runs a nice 40. A little short but would be a step up at Nickle over Routt and can return the ball too.
DT may not be on the table for us in the first or second round.
Just the way Davis seems to work.
Trent Williams would be a start on the O line but CENTER has been a glaring need since Barrett Robbins freek owt and is THE most important position in the ZBS.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Davis, Iuputi, Bulaga and Campbell all have potential busts written over them, Okung and T Williams seem to me the most legit guys, if not pick the best talent at 8, the superstar in the making Dez Bryant, a sure hand and go to guy. Schillens is not dependable, Murphy has potential as number 2 wide receiver, DHB is going to struggle at least another year, we need a guy who comes in and does what Crabtree did for the 49ers, a guy who can command respect right away not like Cable lies about DHB opening lane for others, he was getting man handled every play. Dez Bryant is a freak of nature and he runs fast you guys will remember me when he runs a 4.3, I seen him play, in the red zone he unstoppable. This offense needs a TD scoring machine like Dez, we can get OL in the second round and he might be as good as Bulaga or Iuputi, for example Calloway seems good enough to become a RT. We really need a RT not an LT, Henderson is our LT until AL decides to move him to RT.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Man, I don’t know why you guys want Bulaga, the guy has red flag on him. Read all the knock on this guy besides the short arm.
LT Bryan Bulaga projects as a first-round pick despite a thyroid condition that forced him in and out of the lineup this season. Scouts love his 6-foot-6 frame and his run-blocking ability, although Bulaga was thoroughly handled by Michigan’s speedy DE Brandon Graham during the season.Bryan Bulaga’s arms measured at just 33 1/4 inches. This shouldn’t be a huge deal, but it could be enough to scare some teams off and keep him out of the top 10.
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No way that happens. Top 10 teams NEED linemen and despite his, teams will REACH for Bulaga.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
354. An awesome Oakland receiver without an O line to block for him?
Randy Moss 2006.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I’ve been reading some post today and this argument that NT plays in a 4/3 is wrong even if someone typed NT for a few LDT’s. The term NT was derived from from the 3/4 formation where the DT is a 2gap player and spearheads the defense. With two 3tech falnking him on both sides L and R. To use that term in a 4/3 alignment belies the description and term NOSE TACKLE.
Where the 4/3 alignment employs TWO DT’s L and R a 1tech and a 3tech which are different positions but play a 1gap system. The 1tech is uaually bigger and more stout angles into the Agap to tie up the C and ROG while the 3tech is free to take on the LOG penetrate and disrupt he is the most important player in that defense outside of the WLB and edge rusher which used to be called the open end.
To call a 1gap 1tech a NT is like calling an ILB in a 3/4 system a MLB it doesn’t make sense………period
February 26th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
4eve… WHY would we take another receiver when we can’t protect long enough for a play to develop and get him the ball? Offensive line is the only way to go.
Nnamdi: The reason that our later picks have been hits is because they’ve been filling needs rather than going for talent without an environment in which they can flourish. (Excluding Stonehands last year, that would have been a fail even if our O Line and QB play were fantastic). I’m convinced that if we’d picked for need in early rounds for the past three years, those picks would have fared better than we’ve seen so far. Just my opinion, though.
Good night, all… time for me to head off. I’ll check back tomorrow and read what follows here in case anyone replies to what I’ve said.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Priest, you basically just said EXACTLY the same thing that I said to RRs several hours ago. Once again, good night all.
February 26th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
Having an off day against Brandon Graham is not a reason to shy away from a LT. Brandon Graham on a good would wreak havoc on most LT’s he is an edge rusher supreme. When he’s on he can look like Dwight Freeney his center a gravity is outstanding and his leverage is top shelf. He’s a lot stronger than what meets the eye. Brandon is one bad boy…..don’t sleep!
February 26th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
I want us to draft McClain & Spoon to replace Kirk & TH.
1- ILBMcClain
2- OLB Spoon
3- OT or DT
3- DE Austen Lane
4- OT, DT, or LB Micah Johnson
5- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Travis Ivey
February 26th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
I want McClain, Spoon, Austen Lane, Jacoby Ford, and Walter Thurmond.
Draft OLine with the other 3 picks!!!
February 26th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Raider O T Hpward when moved to the SLB away from all the responsibilty of the WSLB he played well. They gave T SCott the WSLB spot and he excelled that way he could be free of the TE and give the blitz look and roam more essentially played the elephant. That’s why late in the year yu saw howard covering TE’s a lot more where earlier in the year he was blitzing and covering space. They switched it and it worked really well. Kirk as we have learned is not a true MLB he’s more suited for a 4/3 system inside.So hs responsibilties are not so wide ranged.
Kirk is a good ILB he’s just not a MLB plain and simple. If we were to get a Brandon Spikes who’s more gifted in terms of that respnsibility. Even Micah Johnson who is a “MLB” that is what he is and that is all he is. Thse guy’s tend to anchor your defense much better.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Sorry!! Kirk is more suited for the 3/4 system inside.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Top 10 Defense:
RE: Austen Lane
DT: Seymour
DT: TK
LE: Ellis/ Matt S
OLB: Spoon
ILB: McClain
OLB: Scott
CB: Nnamdi
CB: CJ/ Walter Thurmond/ Huff
FS: Huff/ Branch
SS: Branch/ Mitchell
That’s a Good Defense! Next year we add a DT, and we should have a great D.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
I like TH, but I think Spoon is better, and will cost us less as a 2nd RD pick than resigning TH.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
BHP,
Do you like McClain?
February 26th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Raider O I like Lane but I would take the kid from USC or Brandon Graham over him. Also Matt S has to start that kid is just way to good for spot duty. I don’t have an issue with Spon becaue I really like him but to just dump Howard I don’t think is wise. Also I leave Huff right where he is and get a young corner like Jerome Murphy and coach him up. Our secondaruy is very good wether you guy’s realize it or not while we may give up a play here or there we’re pretty consistent. You can’t ask for perfection. Routt tends to lose concentration at times but he is a very good 3rd corner. Better than most starters.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
TH can cover (he started his career at UTEP as a S), but he doesn’t do well against the Run. Spoon can cover, and he is an asset against the run.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Lve McClain but we need a top level OT and there are 4 of them, MLB can be had even as late as the 5th rnd. A MLB is basically a meathead a thumper and there are some very stout smart MLB that can be had late. Mcclain is top shelf but MLB are much easier to get than OT’s by far. If you can get a legitimate LT like A Davis I think it is a must. Even Bulaga or T Williams it’s just too critical a position.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Graham and Griffen will be gone by the 2nd RD. Austen Lane maybe available in the 3rd.
I’m really high on that Kid. I also like Walter Thurmond from Oregon, and I think he will be a steal in the 2nd day due to injury last year at college. He didn’t play most of last season.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
Howard sometimes will sleep on a run play it’s true but he is so talented in coverage on TE’s it frees up Tyvon to stick his head in on runs we can get away with him in this defense at the SLB where he got us killed on the other side. Tyvon makes a huge difference. Now Spoon is a better player but it’s not necessarily a need truth be told Rickey Brown is very good at SLB. If we can get a MLB say in the 4th or 5th we’ll be fine. That kid from Florida St. looked really good at SLB I think his name is Watkins.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
I like A Davis and Okung, but I like McClain over Williams & Bulaga.
I like Suh, McCoy, Okung, Davis, McClain, Or Haden. In that Order.
DEZ B & Berry are Studs, but we drafted DHB last year, and we have talent and depth at Safety. I’m not sold on the top 2 QBs.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Watson us a good player, but he is small under 230.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Those QB’s are garbage I wouldn’t touch any of them in the 1st rnd. Yu hav eot be careful when you draft Raider O MLB’s don’t help you win SB’s OT’s do. While McClain is a absolute stud he plays aa position which is easy to fill. One of the hardest Positions to fill is OT and when you have a chance to get a good one and you pass on it. You saw what happened to us last year because we passed on the OT’s they are just waaay tooo important. I can get a MLB in the 4th to stop the run it easy. Kirk was drafted in the 3rd rnd. I can pick a MLB blind folded. OT’s are very hard to get. Trust me.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Priesttj
What about the Thyroid disease Bulaga got and his short arms and that he struggles in pass blocking while being a stellar in running blocking, reminds of Kwame Harris a solid run blocker but bad pass blocker? Another thing is that this kid is coming out as a junior, he hasn’t played much compared to other seniors like Kyle Calloway. Why take a guy with so many questions when there are others who could potentially solve our real problem which is RT not LT. Henderson was gassed out in the end of the year but was solid for most of the time.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
I agree with you 100%. spoon is not a need player. He is a luxury pick that we must have. lol
I like the kid a lot, but I think he will be gone in the 1st. If he is available in the 2nd, I think we should sigh him even we keep TH.
It’s about time we started drafting the best available player.
We reached for Nnamdi, Brayton, Washington, Routt, and DHB. (DMC was the best player available that year, and JR was a top talent QB at a need position)
No More Reaching.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
A good example is Brian Cushing wh IMO was a top shelf MLB he went at the 15th pick. Don’t be surprised if McCalin suffers a similar fate. Ray Lewis went like 13th overall.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Rey Maualuga went in the 2nd rnd and he is as good a MLB as you could wish for.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Davis, Williams,or Okung.One will be there at #8 and we’d better grab him.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
BHP,
I can live with an OT, as long as it’s Ikung or A Davis.
Top 8 players are:
1- Suh/ McCoy
2- McCoy/ Suh
3- Berry
4- Okung
5- Haden
6- McClain
7- Dez Bryant
8- A Davis
We don’t have to agree on the order, but do you agree with the player selection.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Bulaga struggled in pass pro? who told you that? Bulaga strength is his pass pro. He is hands down the most polished OT in this draft that’s why they’re wondering if he is as good as he’ll get. His reach is a definite concern but you have to be careful when you don’t let the film speak for itself. That kid was an outstanding LT I saw him against Derrick Morgan and he was very good.
Now Anthony Davis is the guy I’m starting to really fall for he just is very good now but has tremendous upside. Like Walter Jones or Ryan Clady. He has a ton of potential while being very good NOW.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Priesttj
Bro, with all due respect Ricky Brown seems lost at the game, I remember in preseason against the 49ers, Alex Smith carries that dude tackles him bad at their 10 yard line, imagine Alex Smith is 185 Lbs QB while Ricky Brown is 225 at least, I got clowned that the day, watch yourself at 20 secs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt0goA9XbwQ
February 26th, 2010 at 10:46 pm
Lefty,
I think 8 will be reaching for T Williams. He is not a top 10 talent IMHO. Top 30.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
O,Bradford or Claussen-perhaps both will be taken before we pick,especially Bradford who has added over 10 pounds of muscle by working out since the end of the college season.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
RaiderO why do you say that about Williams?
February 26th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
BHP,
Watch that clip and see how TH allowed the runner to have the edge.
We need at ILB, and SLB.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
The one thing the Raiders have consistently done lately is to draft directly to their needs in the early rounds. More recently it has been the best character person that fits their needs, but needs have directed the picks. If that holds, OT will be the pick with the best ‘worker’ that fits their system that is left when they pick. I know jack about any of them and their overall personalities, but I think somebody that does can pin down who the Raiders will pick fairly easily.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
I see him being a RT in the NFL.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Raiders4eve, Oh come now my man aren’t we being a little overreactive. So he stinks as a HB that’s not the position he plays. I’ve noticed when he was a SLB we played the run much better even when Kirk was at MLB. Brown is very instinctive and aggressive. Now if you asked who would I take out of three I’d take Spoon but the other 2 aren’t bad.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
I also forgot Campbell from Maryland.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Lefty,
And that’s why I think one of these players will be available: McClain, A Davis, or J Haden.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
I’ve been reading some post today and this argument that NT plays in a 4/3 is wrong even if someone typed NT for a few LDT’s. The term NT was derived from from the 3/4 formation where the DT is a 2gap player and spearheads the defense. With two 3tech falnking him on both sides L and R. To use that term in a 4/3 alignment belies the description and term NOSE TACKLE.
Where the 4/3 alignment employs TWO DT’s L and R a 1tech and a 3tech which are different positions but play a 1gap system. The 1tech is uaually bigger and more stout angles into the Agap to tie up the C and ROG while the 3tech is free to take on the LOG penetrate and disrupt he is the most important player in that defense outside of the WLB and edge rusher which used to be called the open end.
To call a 1gap 1tech a NT is like calling an ILB in a 3/4 system a MLB it doesn’t make sense………period
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For all you guys that think this guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about this is a pretty good description of the tackle assignments in an even front. While Under Tackle and Nose Tackle are used describing Even Fronts, basically Priesttj’s description is 99.99% accurate and well written. You guys might want to read it.
February 26th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
O,as i stated earlier,I’m more concerned about the position than the name and I hope we take a Tackle-whomever we decide is the best one for us.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
Lefty,
I like Campbell, and I forgot about him.
He is a top 10 Talent.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Raider O as i said at that time he was playing in space more which is more difficult if you’re not aggressive when they put him over the TE he was much better. That switch with TH and TS was one of the best moves the coaches made all year long.
I wont disagree about T williams as a RT right now and I will say it is exactly what we need right now.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
O,I also agree with Priest about getting a run stuffing MLB in later rounds.We will be able to get someone like Florida Pete’s guy last year(J.Brinkley) later.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
I think Ricky Brown is solid SLB in coverage but is too weak against the run, whenever we played Howard, Morrison and Brown, our Run defense collapsed, if you don’t believe me check the the games them three started, we played better when Scott became a LB he is strong and can shed away the blockers. As far who I want in the draft, I would do option A or B depending who is taken.
) Okung OT or Dez Bryant WR
2) Spikes MLB or Weatherspoon MLB
3) Mitch Petrus OG or Arenas CB
3) Jay Ross NT or Marshall Newhouse OG
4) Eric Olsen or Matt Tennant (Centers is a need)
5) Jacoby Ford WR/KR or Linval Joseph DT
5) Sam Young OT or Ciron Black OT
February 26th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
So,
Suh, McCoy, or Okung if Available, and if not: McClain, A Davis, Campbell, or Haden should be the pick
February 26th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
3 is a reach for Jay Ross. We can draft him in the 5th. IMO
Lefty,
Micah Johnson is a good MLB who we can draft in the 2nd day.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Whattup Lefty12?? I told Pete that Brinkley would go late and he did. There are some very good run stuffers atht’ll be there in late rnds. MLB’s are one of the easiest positions to fill and we’ve always done well with them late in the draft Monte Johnson and Matt Millen were 2’s but everyone else later. If we can get the OT at #8 and Spikes at #8 in the 2nd that would make your draft.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
that is exactly what I’m talking about!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Priesttj
What do you think about the wide receiver situation? If Schillens gets injured again, aren’t we in need of a 1 WR who can move the chains?
February 26th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
You can get Micah in the 5th easy so why pass on a top shelf OT for a run stuffer? even if he’s a Ray Lewis type our safeties are going to make the plays on this defense that’s where if we’re going to be great on defense you’ll see it at the safety spots. We stole T Scott which is critical in this scheme. Branch was a steal and now Huff and Mitchell get a guy wh’s stout in the middle aand the defense is complete.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
My only worries is that we focus our energy on the line and end up with another Schillens getting injured again with no good replacement, then we back to square one, we need a veteran or talented rookie like Dez Bryant imo.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Hey,Priest.I agree.Moving Scott to LB last year was a great move.I’m not saying he’ll be another Hendricks but he can be like him.He is quick enough and can play up or down.I agree the Def. isn’t that big of a concern,but the Off. is.We have got to be able to score-something we haven’t been able to do in quite awhile.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
McClain is 6′4, 255+, runs a sub 4.6, plays sideline to sideline, he is smart and was TC, and he is 20!!
Draft Him Al!!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
The WR’s are scary IMO Murphy is the key if he can continue to develope it takes a lot of heat off DHB and Chaz. I believe Murphy can be a go to guy. Chaz already is IMO now you have to deal with DHB straight up one on one and no one can do that with his speed. Once he relaxes and starts to get confident it’s OVER!!
There is nothing like “absolute speed” and he has it. When he starts to make plays the defense is incapable of covering it. We never saw that last year due to the obvious reasons. That’s why Jackson is here.
That is also why I hope Russell developes because he makes the speed effective if he can get enough confidence to play even we are on our way and it wnt be long before we are a nightmare to deal with.
factor in DMC in the passing game as well as Nick Miller or Watkins.
But the key is Murphy he has to become a go to guy he and Chaz that would makle DHB the most dangerous player on the team.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
We can also pick up a good possession WR later.We got Murphy later last year.We shouldn’t give up on Higgins.We have Miller who looked good last preseason before the injury ended his year,and despite what everyone thinks,we have DHB who should be much better in his 2nd year.By all accounts he is a hard worker and he won’t have the rookie jitters.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Lefty12, that’s why in my prayers I add Russell he is one of the most gifted QB’s I’ve ever seen. If somehow he gets it we are one of the more dominant teams in this league.
I know you don’t except that but the other guy’s are just stopgaps we need a top teir talent at that position. Or this doesn’t work. We’ll have to wait until Andrew Luck comes out of Stanford. Russell had got to get it together, he has to. Or we are sunk………..period
February 26th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Priesttj
Watkins won’t get resigned I guarantee you that, if Schillens gets injured and DHB struggles, we are back to square one except with a solid line but defenses would probably stack the box cause our passing game would be out of the question. Nick Miller is solid but he is coming back from injury that took away a year from his learning curve, Murphy and Miller would get doubled just like what happened this season. This why I think we Dez Bryant, a guy better then Craptree who can come in and do wonders.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
There are some very impressive WR’s available late. I saw this kid from Southern named Stewart, man I like this kid a lot he is smooth great route runner and great hands. WR’s are very easy to draft if you know what you want.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Cut Brandon Meyers.
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# RaiderRockstar Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
who is Brandon Meyers?
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# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Myers.
What are you, LMN now?
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Bwahahahhahaa, Classic, great to be appreciated….
February 26th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
yo Vegas…
I like your posts, but maaaan they are hard to read…
February 26th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Dez Bryant wont be there if he is there are some very stupid GM’s Dez might be the best player at any position. He’s not as physically gifted as was Calvin Johnson but he’s a better player.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Priesttj
So would you like Dez Bryant if he falls as our 8th overall pick?
February 26th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
McClain is 6′4, 255+, runs a sub 4.6, plays sideline to sideline, he is smart and was TC, and he is 20!!
Draft Him Al!!
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read this, he DOESNT run sideline to sideline..
—”Alabama ILB Rolando McClain is reportedly not even in the top 32 on some teams’ draft boards.McClain’s speed and agility testing will be key because it’s believed he may not run better than 4.7 in the forty. 4-3 teams want middle linebackers to have sideline-to-sideline range. McClain may be billed strictly as a 3-4 inside ‘backer if he doesn’t excel in movement drills over the weekend”—
we play mostly 4-3 so his speed is much more important, I would love some of his nature, and i would love to switch permanently to 3-4…. then he would be a great pick… but still with the 8th pick or what is we have??? nah rather get a OT, and then a MLB/ILB in the 2nd round… WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR QB!!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:44 pm
I actually read something earlier tonight that gives me a glimpse of hope concerning JR.It was an article that said he would work,but he needed a hard ass to make him do it and that H.Jackson is a hard ass so we shall see.However,i do believe many undersell Gradkowski.Like Gannon, who many consider the last good Raider QB,he was written off by many as just a journeyman QB before he was given the reins by us and took off-except I actually think he could be better than Gannon.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
In a NY second…………I would take him over any position or player……..period
If we can get the OT in the 2nd rnd and steal Dez Bryant I would do cartwheels down 880 freeway buttnecked and smiling!!!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Trade our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th to move up to draft McClain.
1- OT Okung, A Davis, Or B Campbell
1- (from Trade): ILB MCCLAIN
3- DE Austen Lane
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Demarcus Granger if Available, Kade Weston, or Travis Ivey.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Lefty12, what makes you say that? what in his game makes you say he could be better than Gannon?
Enlighten me.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Lol
February 26th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
With 2 3rds and 2 5ths you know there will be some moves somewhere but who knows where.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Raider O…
you’re crazy
February 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
I just think he could be better-a gut feeling if you will.He set passing records in a passing conference in college,he is a student,and his arm is just as good if not better.As i say,a gut feeling.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
http://twitter.com/davidherrold/status/9700220073
February 26th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
LMN,
He runs well, and from what I watched, he runs SIDELINE TO SIDELINE!
Daft McClain!! Draft an OT, but trade up and Draft McClain too!
MCCLAIN!!
February 26th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
priesttj Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
In a NY second…………I would take him over any position or player……..period
If we can get the OT in the 2nd rnd and steal Dez Bryant I would do cartwheels down 880 freeway buttnecked and smiling!!!
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LOL! Agreed Priest.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
I’ll tell you who reminds me of Gannon, it’s the Oklahma QB Bradford. Gradkowski is a fiery guy who competes but is very short on talent. He can scramble and make some plays but when defenses start to key him and gameplan him you’ll they will just rush in his face and force him to make stick throws and he can’t.
I’m not saying he can’t play at this level but he just can’t get it done 16 weeks a year his arm isn’t strong enough and he’s to small. People compare him to Brees that is a joke Brees has a gun and is extremely accurate all ways has been. Brees’s hieght is a problem smeimes but he is so freakin’ smart he counteracts it.
February 26th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
I also like his fiery attitude and the way he is able to get his teammates to rally around him.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:01 am
raider o…
he might be able to run s2s in college, i doubt he will be able to do that in the pros
February 27th, 2010 at 12:02 am
priest and his alterego agrees, what a surprise LOL
February 27th, 2010 at 12:03 am
I could be totally wrong but as I said I just have a feeling about him.I realize he doesn’t have the strongest arm or the optimum size,but I believe he has ‘it’-whatever it is.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:07 am
lefty12…
well Gruden loved the kid as well, and Gruden loved Gannon… I see your point, and i dont mind him drive the car for a few years while we find something that suits us better…
Jammy isnt IT, thats evident, more evident than that GRAD ISNT it…
February 27th, 2010 at 12:09 am
Passing records in College is fool’s gold if you don’t take into account how they were achieved. The garbage pale is overflowing with guy’s that did that because they were in conferences where the DB’s can’t cover. If he did that at LSU r USC or Texas where there are great defenses I’d be more impressed. Russell completed 68% of his passes at LSU and dominated that league. Elway dominated the Pac10 Stafford the SEC. These cllege QB in the spread throw to designated spots which makes it much easier to get great stats.
You have to look at how he did what he did. I’ve seen the kid Grads play OK but when he’s pressed he ytends to take some chances that his arm wont allow. Pittsburgh was is best game and their secondary was atrocious. Dallas made him loook very weak. Cincinati made him look bad. And the Redskins beat him up.
I honestly think it is the anyone but Russell syndrome that makes people hope for these guy’s but the talent level isn’t even close it’s almost ridiculous. Once Russell matures there isn’t much he cannot do. If anything.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:12 am
lefty12 Says:
February 26th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
I just think he could be better-a gut feeling if you will.He set passing records in a passing conference in college,he is a student,and his arm is just as good if not better.As i say,a gut feeling.
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I don’t hate Grads. He’s a good guy and he supports JR. Played pretty well in spots. But I don’t like comparisons to Gannon. Gannon had a much better pedigree than Grads. He was a starter for Minn and had them at 10 wins before he was inexplicably benched by Denny Green for Sean Salisbury. I always thought he was pretty good as a starter there. And the guy was nails in KC. I’m from Kansas and I remember him really kicking ass there and leading the team to the playoffs. But Elvis Grbac came back from his injury and Marty decided to start him instead of Gannon in the playoffs. Everybody in the state wanted to burn Marty at the stake for that one. Except for me that is. And of couse they lost. I guess that’s a long way of saying that Grads hasn’t accomplish anything close to what Gannon did. Won’t be too excited about the season if he’s the starter.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Like I said Debo, it’s the anyone but Russell syndrome. If you really look at last year when Russell had talent around him he played OK but TWO ROOKIES that is the most ludicrous position to put a young QB in and expect him to win.
Put some talent around this kid and he will win and win big I gaurantee it. I watched this kid compete at every level he was a star and he’ll be one at this level if we get him the right talent instead of that garbage he played with last year.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
I honestly think it is the anyone but Russell syndrome that makes people hope for these guy’s but the talent level isn’t even close it’s almost ridiculous. Once Russell matures there isn’t much he cannot do. If anything
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Well said Priest. Talent will win out here.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Priest,there are also many guys who have superior natural ability who never amount to anything.some guys over preform;some under preform.I refuse to get into that discussion again since i know how we both feel.Gradkowski is 6′1″ and weighs 220.That is big enough to play in this league.You have an opinion about him and I disagree,just as as of now our opinions of JR are totally different.Lets let it rest at that.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:26 am
priesttj Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 12:19 am
Like I said Debo, it’s the anyone but Russell syndrome. If you really look at last year when Russell had talent around him he played OK but TWO ROOKIES that is the most ludicrous position to put a young QB in and expect him to win.
Put some talent around this kid and he will win and win big I gaurantee it. I watched this kid compete at every level he was a star and he’ll be one at this level if we get him the right talent instead of that garbage he played with last year.
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No kidding. And he still has managed to pull out victories. The last drive against KC with that supporting cast was a hell of a lot more impressive than he’s been given credit for. All the draft busts that he’s compared to haven’t had the comeback wins that JR has engineered.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Gradkowski has never played with decent talent around him so it is really impossible to say what he can or can’t do.TB sucked when he was there(actually over preformed) and we aren’t world beaters either.I don’t care that you don’t like him,as i said,I have a feeling he will turn out to be pretty good-just as you believe JR will someday live up to his hype.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:27 am
later.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:31 am
lefty12 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Gradkowski has never played with decent talent around him so it is really impossible to say what he can or can’t do.TB sucked when he was there(actually over preformed
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Dude, let’s not re-write history here. Tampa Bay was pretty good under Gruden. In fact, the Bucs were a game away from the playoffs until JR crushed their dreams week 17, 2008.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Good night Gents, and it was nice to see you posting again LMN. Your new lady friend must be takning all your time. lol
February 27th, 2010 at 12:31 am
BTW,every QB in the NFL starred at every previous level they played.So did all the guys who were drafted high and failed.Now,later.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Lefty12, I think you’re right but my premise is that Russell will live up to his talent maybe not when we want him to but he will, he always has. That kid has a lot more pride than anyone is willing believe.
One thing I know about players that love to play they will do anything to get back on the field. You can take all his money but when they took the all away from him that got his attention. The same thing happened at LSU when they gave the job to Flynn in the spring by season start Russell had won the job back.
Player want to play that is all that kid knows he doesn’t know antything else but playing QB. He will fight until he wins that job back you just wait and see.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:42 am
Priest as long as he wears silver and black,I hope so.You know I want any player on our team to succeed.I just have doubts it will happen.
Debo-no need to rewrite anything.In 2008 TB was 9-3 and plunged to 9-7.Good teams don’t do that.In 06 he was a rookie.In 07 a 2nd year back-up with no experience.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:48 am
Besides,Gradkowski played in Cleveland in 2008,not TB.Are you going to say they were a decent team?
February 27th, 2010 at 1:13 am
So what, stevealford, just because YOU address the offensive line in your stupid fantasy draft means Al Davis is going to? Let me know if anyone has a realistic response to my comment.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:18 am
Lefty, moving Scott to linebacker was a great move? Yeh, our defense shot right up to the top 10, didn’t it? We haven’t made a great move since signing Jerry Rice, at least where results are concerned. Do you ever read your own comments?
February 27th, 2010 at 2:02 am
Oh god, the troll just got back from the bar. Apparently alone again.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:26 am
Draft:
Run defense is atrocious. Good defenses don’t rank in the 30’s against the run. Regardless of how bad the offense plays. Even in victory defense gets run over. Sets the tempo of being a soft touch team…which the Raiders are…SOFT!!!!
Draft the best available run stuffing (not pass rushing) DT at #8
Then fix the O-Line with the rest of the picks
Sign a free agent MLB. No rookie MLB is going to do jack shhhhh behind Gerard Warren and Tommy Kelly. Plus the coaching in Oakland is bad and we have not Those two attempt to penetrate, they do not occupy guards and centers.demonstrated an ability to develop talent. MLB is one of the hardest positions on the defense…do you really believe the Raiders will develop a 1st rounder here….Nope…Bust city…get an MLB that already knows how to play the game.
BUt we know Al Davis….here are the players on his list
Patrick Robinson – CB Mayock says he’s boom bust
Bruce Campbell – I think he had 35 reps on the bench
Carlos Dansby – Another H/W/S and a pass rusher…Davis doesn’t draft run stuffers
February 27th, 2010 at 5:45 am
Raider O…
LOL, well spot on =)
February 27th, 2010 at 7:19 am
The O-Line working out today. Lets watch and see Bruce Campbell’s 40x.
Raider staff probably ignoring all the actual position drills they are running right now…..
February 27th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Bruce Campbell – 4.78 40X as an offensive tackle at 310 pounds. Also put up 35 reps on the bench.
That’s the 1st pick for the Raiders fellas. Hope Mayock is wrong about his boom or bust status.
Hell, Davis might have designs on moving Campbell to tight end.
February 27th, 2010 at 8:07 am
Fastest 40x for an O-Lineman in 10+ years. And Campbell weighs 310lbs
NFL Network says this Campbell guy would be the top pick based on measurables. unfortunately his game apparently has some gaps.
Matters not! Draft discussion in the 1st round is over.
Campbell 4.78 40 and 35 reps on the bench.
With the 8th pick, the Oakland Raiders select Bruce Campbell, Tackle, Maryland.
Hopefully he and Heyward-Bey can motivate each other
February 27th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Bruce Campbell apparently jumping out of the gym on the vertical.
Never has predicting a Raider pick been so easy
February 27th, 2010 at 8:31 am
We already noted that Campbell put up 34 reps in the bench press, but that was nothing compared to what Campbell did in the 40-yard dash, where he finished in a sensational 4.78 seconds, an absolutely amazing time for a 314-pounder.
Agent Drew Rosenhaus says it’s the fastest 40 ever for an offensive lineman. The average 40-yard dash for an offensive tackle at last year’s combine was 5.3 seconds.
Campbell is generally regarded as a first-round pick, and his combine has obviously helped his draft status. But NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock did pour a little bit of cold water on Campbell, saying that when viewed on film, Campbell doesn’t look as impressive as he does in the weight room and on the track.
Intoducing the 8th overall pick and newest Oakland Raider
February 27th, 2010 at 8:32 am
LOL, SnB beat me to it…
February 27th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I say it’s a safe bet unless he gets snatched up before #8.
February 27th, 2010 at 8:39 am
LA To TheBay,
Campbell is not considered a top 10 draft pick based on production.
But it doesn’t matter. No way! Al Davis is picking this kid period.
Possibly the fastest 40x of any o-lineman in the history of the Combine.
I bet the Raiders have plans on converting Campbell to DT or something. Maybe tight end.
All credible draft talk for now on must be focused on 2nd round and later….1st is a wrap
February 27th, 2010 at 8:45 am
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/johnson_mike00.html
A mean,tough, durable OT
February 27th, 2010 at 8:50 am
I want to see Al trade #8 for three picks in the third or something like that.
Get some mean tough, durable ballers on both sides of the line
February 27th, 2010 at 8:57 am
I know that the Maryland kid has amazed EVERYONE at the Combine, but I’ve seen him in game action and I wasn’t all that impressed. I STILL say we need to focus our First Round pick on defense (Rolando McClain can be a real game-changer; that’s where I’d go). If Al can pull the trigger on a DT through free agency, we would have lots of possible combinations up front. Then, spend our next two picks on offensive line and perhaps dip into free agency for a quality lineman as well. This is how you build a franchise …
February 27th, 2010 at 9:00 am
AL Davis has had 7 straight years of top 10 draft picks and has done NOTHING with said picks. The team is no closer to respectibiltiy than they were then. Why is Raider fan even the least bit optimistic that all the sudden he will magically have the magic touch? How many times do you need to be shocked by the electric fence before you stop touching it????
February 27th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Raidertbone,
Campbell put up the fastest 40x of any O-Lineman in combine history. Case closed!
Rebuilding the defense means getting a DT that clogs lanes and occupies blockers…and getting a free agent MLB that already knows how to play football at the NFL level. No rookie is going to perform for this team the way its structured today. Need a vet MLB that can call the right plays, knows how to shed blockers and can work with minimal coaching.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Great another wasted 1 rd pick , is their anyway al pass on Campbell?
February 27th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Al Davis has a PROVEN track record of picking the wrong guy with his first round selection. It will be no different in 2010.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:05 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Great another wasted 1 rd pick , is their anyway al pass on Campbell?
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Only if Taylor Mays (safety), Patrick Robinson (CB) or Carlos Dansby have even more impressive 40x
February 27th, 2010 at 9:08 am
What I cant figure out is this…. If Raider fan REALLY cared about winning then why hasnt Al Davis been burned at the proverbial stake??? Raider fan loves to destroy coaches and players yet Al gets a pass…… How does that make sense. The sole reason for EVERYTHING should be the #1 TARGET.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Mr. Davis will never get a pass from me, as he is the number 1 reason the franchise is in the condition it is in.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:17 am
RD 1 OL
RD 2 Ol or T Cody
RD 3 OL
RD 4 OL
February 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Campbell also might have broken the vertical record as well.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Campbell is a project… stay the hell away….
We need guys that can step in right now….
February 27th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Add Thec07 to the list of ” Rational” Raider fans.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Okung just pulled up left leg something….
February 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
RaiderRon: What’cha gonna do? Al is the man, just like Danny Snyder is the man in Washington and the omnipresent evil J.J. is down in Big D. We just have to hope that the franchise starts to turn the corner this year.
SnB: I have only two words for you, when you start talking about absolute “can’t miss” offensive tackles — Tony Mandarich.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Thec07 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Campbell is a project… stay the hell away….
We need guys that can step in right now….
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Since when has that swayed Al Davis?
Bruce Campbell is a Raider! Let’s just hope that the Raiders are gettting Mario ready for the RT position now.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:22 am
RaiderRon, i wear that as a badge of honor. Mr. Davis has absolutly ruined this franchise, he and his lackeys, bootlicks, and yes men. The whole org needs to be dynamited…..
Check the record on Thec07, respect Mr. Davis football acumen, GM skills are far inferior to the other teams deptarments, and technology….
MR. Davis<—– Out manned, and out mathced….
February 27th, 2010 at 9:23 am
OK OK!
No More McClain for you.
O Mock Draft 7.0:
1- OT Okung if available, or A Davis or B Campbell
2- ILB Spikes
3- DT Cam Thomas
3- DE Austen Lane
4- OG Mike Johnson / RT-OG Ciron Black
5- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Demarcus Granger
February 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Oh, what the hell, let’s just draft every player available from the University of Maryland! Let’s also hire their coach, the Fridge, as our new offensive coordinator. If nothing else, he can teach JaMarcus all about proper diet and exercise!
February 27th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Hopefully 7 loising seasons will finnally sawy him to give up drafting duties…. The game has sailed by this organization… Look forward to another 5-11 season if you dont fix the oline….
February 27th, 2010 at 9:25 am
raidertbone Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
SnB: I have only two words for you, when you start talking about absolute “can’t miss” offensive tackles — Tony Mandarich.
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Again, when has “risk” ever swayed Al Davis. I don’t want the Raiders to draft Bruce Campbell. I think the Raiders need a DT. But that will NEVER happen because DTs in Oakland are a dime a dozen position that can be found anywhere in the draft.
Campbell was 1/100th of a second from the record. He also may have broken the vertical record. You can hope all you want. Al Davis is H/W/S period…especially in the 1st round. He also likes his staff to use YouTube (Mike Mitchell).
Bruce Campbell is a RAIDER. Who do you think the Raiders should draft in the 2nd round?
February 27th, 2010 at 9:26 am
O, how are you doing? Hey what do you think about Trent Williams????
February 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Funny though. The best Raider players that are not kickers are guys that don’t have blazing 40x for their respective position
Zach Miller
Nnamdi Asomugha
Michael Bush
February 27th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Raider O,
Okung and Davis didn’t get under 5.0 on the 40.
No way Davis picks them before Campbell…Again Campbell pushing all sorts of combine records.
And he plays in a “pro-style offense” at Maryland….LOL
February 27th, 2010 at 9:32 am
Trent Williams was .03 slower than Campbell and his game film translates.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Ghost, Exactly…. I wanted to see what my Brother O thought…
February 27th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Trent Williams > Campbell
February 27th, 2010 at 9:35 am
RD 1 OL
RD 2 OL
RD 3 OL
RD 4 OL
February 27th, 2010 at 9:40 am
I am watching the combine i can see how someone can get twisted up about a player, but if you have done this for a number of years this should be part of the whole not the 40x time….
February 27th, 2010 at 9:43 am
He also likes his staff to use YouTube (Mike Mitchell).
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LMFAO!
Have to admit that once Campbell put up that ridiculous 40 time I got this vision of him in Silver and Black.
I’ll go ahead and do my defeated exhale now, and get used to the idea of Bruce Campbell and Mario Henderson as our OTs.
Should we just move on to who we’ll take in the 2nd rd now?
February 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Okung was pretty impressive though, and his a HWS guy. Maybe we trade up for him or get lucky enough that he drops to us. I think a a few GMs will be impressed with Campbell.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:49 am
One thing I do like about Campbell he has long arms. They won’t say he is the next Gallery. No TRexing him.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Jhill,
Mt. Cody weighted in at 350lbs. Maybe he falls to the 2nd round? Probably not a good idea. The Raiders are not known for having a disciplined culture
February 27th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Campbell just got interviewed by the panel on NFLNetwork.
Hmmmmmmm ….
His issues are technique and leverage. Potential is off the charts. Work ethic is not an issue.
Raw prospect.
I think I take him.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:58 am
I’d rather have Lamar Houston
February 27th, 2010 at 9:59 am
LTR nation…
February 27th, 2010 at 10:01 am
jhill Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Okung was pretty impressive though, and his a HWS guy. Maybe we trade up for him or get lucky enough that he drops to us. I think a a few GMs will be impressed with Campbell.
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Jhill, there’s that hope thing again.
Okung didn’t get under 5.0 on the 40. He’s out.
No other GM is going to pick Campbell in the top 10 or 15.
They interviewed him on NFLN. Campbell said his big issues are leverage and technique. He said he’s raw, but all guys coming in are raw.
Perhaps…but we shouldn’t be taking “raw” athletes in the top 10.
Nevertheless, I know what’s going to happen. 4.7 40x at 314lbs….record vertical. He’s a RAIDER…GET OVER IT!
February 27th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Jhil, Didn’t see your previous comment. You saw the same interview.
Raw athlete…leverage and technique…good grief..not top 10…oh well….Al likes the idea of developing top talent with great coaching…lol
February 27th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Rex declines to talk about Asomugha
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 27, 2010 12:34 PM ET
Perhaps having learned a thing about how not to tamper, Rex Ryan declined to comment Saturday when asked about Nmandi Asomugha’s desire to play for the Jets.
And Ryan had some fun with me for bringing the topic up.
“Ah, there we go. I get myself in enough trouble,” Ryan said with a big smile on his face to laughter in the crowd. “I don’t really need your help to get me in trouble.”
Ryan did later say he’s open to adding a stronger second cornerback, but didn’t want to overreact based just on the AFC Championship.
As usual, the Jets coach filled up the tape recorder with good stuff, including the offseason work he’s doing on his abs. We’ll have more from him later.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:08 am
I get your point on the coaching SnB …
I don’t think he’s the equivalent of DHB at OT. Technique IS something that can be improved. Everything else seems to be there.
He’s definitely a top 10 pick man, cmon.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:09 am
He is a project that needs a lot of work…
February 27th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Campbell is destined to be a Raider.
Bruce Campbell is this year’s workout warrior
Posted by Michael David Smith on February 27, 2010 10:33 AM ET
The scouting combine workouts have begun, and the most impressive performance in shorts and a T-shirt so far belongs to Maryland offensive tackle Bruce Campbell.
We already noted that Campbell put up 34 reps in the bench press, but that was nothing compared to what Campbell did in the 40-yard dash, where he finished in a sensational 4.78 seconds, an absolutely amazing time for a 314-pounder.
Agent Drew Rosenhaus says it’s the fastest 40 ever for an offensive lineman. The average 40-yard dash for an offensive tackle at last year’s combine was 5.3 seconds.
Campbell is generally regarded as a first-round pick, and his combine has obviously helped his draft status. But NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock did pour a little bit of cold water on Campbell, saying that when viewed on film, Campbell doesn’t look as impressive as he does in the weight room and on the track.
“If there’s a star so far in the combine, it’s him,” Mayock said of Campbell. “What he’s going to have to overcome is the tape.”
UPDATE: Campbell’s official time was 4.85 seconds. In the past, fast 40 times haven’t meant much for offensive linemen.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Sorry Guys. I lost my connection.
Thec: I think he is a RT. ( T Williams)
S&B: B Campbell it is!!! lol
February 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Players Al is interested in :
- Campbell, Austen Lane, Spoon, and Jacoby Ford.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:18 am
My bad …
I was thinking this guy was the kid from Rutgers. I doubt Al takes Campbell over Okung, Davis, or Bulaga. Gallery and Grove weren’t HWS guys, so I don’t think that will factor in to the interior. If the need pick was Corner or WR, then yeah.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Where is the history of Al drafting a 40 time guy for the Oline?
February 27th, 2010 at 10:20 am
I would rather have Okung or A Davis over B Campbell, but I rather have him over T Williams and Bugala.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:23 am
I like McClain, but I notice an issue with him. He is a solid Tackler, but not a hitter.
I want a hitter! Spikes is a Hitter.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Jhill,
Al cares about K’s 40 times! 40 times are the best way to scout football talent! Did you play HS football? Do you attend games?
Word!
February 27th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I think a big indicator will be if we tender Howard and/or Morrison.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:38 am
If the Raiders draft an MLB in the 2nd round, they better have some more help up the middle because Warren, in particular does little against the run
February 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am
We MUST draft an ILB this year, and has to be:
1- McClain
2- Spikes
3- Micah Johnson
4- Boris Lee
February 27th, 2010 at 10:47 am
NFLN Interview with Bruce Campbell:
Mayock: Why did you decide to come out after your junior year?
Campbell: My body felt right and my coaches thought it was a good time…..
We know that’s not the real answer…. the real answer is:
Campbell: Because Al Davis traded his 2011 first round pick. Therefore, this year is my best opportunity, through the combine, to get 1st round money.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Tom Cable.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Cable
February 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am
S&B:
It’s a good draft for DTs. The strongest position in this draft IMO.
We have 8 picks, and we should draft:
2 DL
2 OL
1 MLB
1 CB
1 OLB
1 KR/ FB
February 27th, 2010 at 10:49 am
because Warren, in particular does little against the run
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Let’s go to the film. Show me where Warren is the problem …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8xL2XT8te8
February 27th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Campbell: Because Al Davis traded his 2011 first round pick. Therefore, this year is my best opportunity, through the combine, to get 1st round money.
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Still waiting on an example of Al using the HWS thing on an Olineman!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Great college game.
Kentucky has some unreal ballplayers
Calipari = coach of the year
February 27th, 2010 at 11:04 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPEDeY06WPo
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Show me Warren being a problem man …
February 27th, 2010 at 11:07 am
What about the fact that Warren, TK, TH, and Kirk have been the starters in the front 7 for the last 2 years, we can’t stop the run, and ranked in the bottom 4 against the run?!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:12 am
TK, Warren, and Kirk started all 32 games the last 2 seasons, and TH started 31.
we ranked in the bottom 4 of the NFL against the the run the last 2 years.
Those are the FACTS!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am
O,
What about the tape? There is footage of the big runs right there for you. Take away all those big plays, our #s are much better. Now lets look at the big plays in question and tell me how Warren and Kelly are the problem?
The coaches acknowledged Howard as a problem. He lost his starting spot and the question begs if he or Brown will start next year. And Morrison ’s job was basically handed to Ricky Brown last offseason, but Brown wasn’t up for it.
LBs are the issue!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Those are the FACTS!
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LOL!
And the video evidence is what?
It should be pretty easy for you to point on the problems you say exist.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Some will say that’s due to a poor offense that doest score and TO the ball.
Others said it was due to bad Coaching. Robo!
I say, look at your starters for the last 2 years, and that’s our problem.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:18 am
Look Jhill, I’m not arguing with you. I agree that LBs are the problem, but I’m adding that you can’t ignore those bug runs up the middle too and that on the DTs!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:19 am
So will Weis bring his boy Clausen to KC?
Or does Shanny snatch him at 4?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:21 am
Big runs*
February 27th, 2010 at 11:21 am
I’m adding that you can’t ignore those bug runs up the middle too and that on the DTs!
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Could you please show me where that happens? You ARE arguing that the DTs are a problem. I could be totally wrong. The footage is there for you to show me.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Mayock just said that Campbell was the best looking OT prospect he’s ever seen. Said he looked good in all the drills. Good knee bend, good mirror skills, and all. Zero negatives. Great work ethic.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am
You can always show video and stats to show both sides of an argument, but I look at the FACTS!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:28 am
You Want Video? OK!
Look at the one you posted at 24 & 35 sec, and tell me who the DTs were? The runs were up the middle!!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:34 am
Mike Lombardi has Campbell going to the Raiders after seeing his combine workout, he also nailed the DHB pick last year.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Calapari= Cheater of the year give it 5yrs and he will have UK on probation
February 27th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 10:43 am
We MUST draft an ILB this year, and has to be:
1- McClain
2- Spikes
3- Micah Johnson
4- Boris Lee
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Who is Boris Lee?
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