Position group analysis: Offensive line
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, February 27th, 2010 at 11:23 am in Oakland Raiders.
Fifth in a series analyzing Raiders position groups with a contingent of scouts and coaches in Indianapolis at the scouting combine:
Starters: LT Mario Henderson, LG Robert Gallery, C Samson Satele, RG Cooper Carlisle, RT Cornell Green. Backups: T Khalif Barnes, T-G Erik Pears, G Brandon Rodd, C-G Chris Morris, T-G Langston Walker.
Review: More than the bad publicity from anything that allegedly happened off the field or in a Napa hotel room with Randy Hanson, the play of the Raiders line is the reason why Tom Cable was left twisting in the wind, his job “under evaluation” rather than the sort of backing Rob Ryan got when his demise was supposedly imminent following the 2007 season.
The Raiders ran the ball poorly (21st in rushing) had seven rushing touchdowns (only the Rams and Bucs had fewer) and had the third highest sack total in the league (49) despite ranking 26th in pass attempts (485).
As bad as JaMarcus Russell was, and he deserves much of the blame for his performance, the fact that he was playing behind a line that couldn’t run and couldn’t protect made it unlikely to pull out of his tailspin and contributed to his issues with confidence and accuracy. Things got better when Bruce Gradkowski came aboard, but he couldn’t last the season because of _ you guessed it _ knee injuries sustained against a pass rush.
Cable virtually shoved line coach Jim Michalczik aside for a time attempting to right the ship, to no avail.
It didn’t help matters any Gallery, their best lineman, had a Triple Crown of surgeries (appendectomy, broken fibula, back) and played in only six games.
Henderson started the season OK but regressed as it went along. Green’s hold on right tackle and Cable’s glowing reviews of his play have been a three-year mystery. Morris is suited for short stints of a game or two as a sub at all inside spots but struggles if he starts more than two games in succession. Carlisle was the Raiders best lineman in 2007 but has not approached that level in the past two seasons.
Barnes came to Oakland to jump-start his career but is still waiting by the side of the road, hood open, waiting for a tow truck. Pears did his best work as an emergency tight end in the running game. As for his play on the line, Denver let Pears go last season without tendering him a contract and he did nothing with the Raiders to suggest the Broncos were wrong in their assessment.
Walker was a late-season addition and actually ended up doing some good things as a guard at 362 pounds. Rodd has been a practice squad player.
Contract status: Morris is a restricted free agent, Green and Walker unrestricted free agents.
What’s next: Lots of change, unless Cable is of a mind that he can coach up the same cast and come up with a different result. Good Raiders teams are built along the line, and this was the worst line since the 2006.
You keep Gallery and hope he stays healthy. Every other position ought to be looked at. Draft analyst Mike Mayock thinks the Raiders at No. 8 will come away with one of the four top tackles in the draft _ Oklahoma’s Russell Okung, Oklahoma State’s Trent Williams, Rutgers’ Anthony Davis and Iowa’s Bryan Bulaga.
Maryland’s Bruce Campbell is at this point considered a reach at No. 8, but had a gold medal performance in the Indianapolis Underwear Olympics, (4.78 time in the 40-yard dash, 34 reps with 220 pounds on the bench press). A year ago, his former Terrapins teammate, Darrius Heyward-Bey, was similarly impressive and you know how that turned out.
It remains to be seen whether Cable will strictly adhere to the zone blocking principles he believes in, or if Hue Jackson’s control of the offense as coordinator includes power blocking schemes like the Ravens ran in Baltimore.
The way they chose to attack will determine which players the Raiders pursue in free agency and the draft.
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February 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am
First
February 27th, 2010 at 11:26 am
With the 8th pick, the Oakland Raiders select Bruce Campbell, OT Maryland
February 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Jhill,
You Want Video? OK!!
Look at the one you posted at 24 & 35 sec. The 2 runs are up the middle, so can you tell us who the DTs were on those 2 plays?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:54 am
This is the report I was waiting for. I was interested to see how our offensive line gets broken down by Jerry.
I can’t wait for the defensive line position group analysis
February 27th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Our oline is a path work group of garbage. I would only keep 3 of these guys max. Do like smart teams do, build thru the draft…. what a mess….
February 27th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Where is Jhill?
I’m still waiting!!
February 27th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Thec,
To answe your question, I don’t like T Williams at 8th. I think he is a RT in the NFL.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
rd 1 OL
rd 2 OL
rd 3 OL
rd 3 OL
February 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
O, I agree, he will be gone by our second pick. But if he is there you gotta take him… or Cody
February 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I’ll be back later.
Let me know what you think of those runs ip the middle Jhill? 24 & 35 sec.
February 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
One last time before I go.
I Mock Draft 7.0:
1- OT Okung, A Davis, or Campbell. ( in that order)
2- ILB Spikes
3- DT Cam Thomas
3- DE Austen Lane
4- OG Johnson or RT-OG Ciron Black
5- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Demarcus Granger
February 27th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
would anyone be mad if we picked sam bradford,hadden or berry?
February 27th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
i would be pissed…
February 27th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
does anyone know who are locks for the top 10 in the draft or top 5. so it would be easier to see who we can target? im guessing, suh,mcoy,bradford and a OT are locks for the top 4…….
February 27th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Bruce Campbell, 4.78 40yd. 34 reps @ 225lbs.
Anticipation or concern?
Any thoughts from those of you, who “break tape”….
February 27th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Schefter’s twitter say’s, Campbell “Looked like an Adonis.”
To quote that famous Dane, S. Doo. “Wruhh Wrohh.”…lol..
February 27th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
O,
Which video are you talking about? The Dallas game?
The wildcat play? Both DTs engage their blocks at the line. What are they supposed to do?
Same with the Felix Jones run. Warren is on the opposite side of the action, and Kelly is putting his guy on the ground AT THE LOS.
What should they have done better? Specifically.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Henderson will be fine with Gallery next to him and some fresh blud on the right side..almost every game he had a different lg beside him
February 27th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
T Williams looks better than A Davis at the combine.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Jhill,
Look at the one against the Ravens.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
Hello Bruce Campbell, come on down! You’re the next contest on Oakland Raider’s top draft pick to be scrutinized! Honestly, he may pan out to be fine. Trent Williams in the 2nd? Line needs an upgrade. OL depth looks impressive.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
I hope B Campbell doesn’t end up like that guy from GB back in the day.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
O,
Very first highlight is of morrison running up the DEs back and Rice bouncing outside of his mistake for big yards.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
I doubt if Al will ever pick a QB in the top round again.However lets hope Sam or Jim fall to us at #8 and someone like Minnesota wants to trade up.
Get a big, mean, nasty, durable Olineman and there first
February 27th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Jhill,
24 sec & 35 sec on that Ravens’ video syas it all.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
I was Wrong about T Williams!! He is a LT in the NFL! He is an athlete!
February 27th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
# jhill Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 1:23 pm
O,
Very first highlight is of morrison running up the DEs back and Rice bouncing outside of his mistake for big yards.
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that’s exactly right. The play is designed to go inside, but low and behold, there is nothing there. So Rice bounces the play outside and where is the contain? There is no contain. Why isn’t there any contain? Because the LB is caught inside on the play. 50 yard run later…..
And you look at the Dallas highlights you guys posted. The defense actually plays pretty well for the lst quarter. But there is a run inside where Morrison is blocked, just lamely throws himself at the RB, no one else is there and the play goes for 70 yards. You take those plays away, and the run defense plays fairly well.
February 27th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
ATTENTION JERRY
Nice work, now get your butt down to Raiderquarters and dont leave untill you have an answer. All us semipro draftpicking bloggers dont stand a chance untill you earn your paycheck
chop,chop!
It remains to be seen whether Cable will strictly adhere to the zone blocking principles he believes in, or if Hue Jackson’s control of the offense as coordinator includes power blocking schemes like the Ravens ran in Baltimore.
The way they chose to attack will determine which players the Raiders pursue in free agency and the draft.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
I vote for power blockers to protect Janormous as his butt grows too big to scramble. The man will need a solid pocket in order to lead us to the promise land.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
# ppleschamp030 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
does anyone know who are locks for the top 10 in the draft or top 5. so it would be easier to see who we can target? im guessing, suh,mcoy,bradford and a OT are locks for the top 4…….
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Suh, McCoy, Okung, and Eric Berry are pretty much considered to go top 5-6 pretty easily as they are the best DL, OL, and DB in this draft. After that it gets a bit dicey. Bradford/Claussen? Which one is better? Washington is almost guaranteed to take a Q, altho Shanarat was just saying at the combine that they are working hard to get Jason Campbell under contract. Suuuuure they are. After that it kind of gets a bit wild.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
If they go O-Tackle….the pick will be the Oher type Anthony Davis is more polished or of course the workout warrior type in Bruce Campbell who has upside, but could turn into the next Tony Mandarich.
Knowing the stubborn old mans Al way of warped thinking he will take the boom or bust type Campbell.
It pisses me off, that the Anquan Bolding/Andre Johnson type of #1 WR in Dez Bryant maybe be there at #8, but since the old man screwed up last year by reaching for a WR like DHB, the chances are Bryant being the pick at #8 is slim.
Unless the old man wants to make up for his mistake last year and take a REAL #1 WR in Bryant…who can also return punts.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
No Campbell please, some GMs are saying he is the next Gholston. Read this everyone who likes Campbell including myself.
Some still have Bruce Campbell low on the board
Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2010 3:37 PM ET
Despite the eye-popping 4.78-second 40-yard dash generated by non-donut-eating Bruce Campbell in the donut run and his 34 reps in the 225-pound bench press, Campbell isn’t a lock to be taken in the top ten.
He’s not even a lock to be taken in round one.
One league source tells us that multiple teams have applied a round-four grade on Campbell, based on evaluation of his college game film. Another league source described Campbell’s game film as “terrible.”
The dynamic immediately brings to mind Jets linebacker Vernon Gholston. The Jets fell in love with his physique and his non-football feats, and they ignored a set of 2007 game tapes in which he disappeared for long stretches. The thinking by many — that a player destined to be great in the NFL is always great in the college game — has been confirmed by Gholston’s NFL career to date.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
It pisses me off, that the Anquan Bolding/Andre Johnson type of #1 WR in Dez Bryant maybe be there at #8, but since the old man screwed up last year by reaching for a WR like DHB, the chances are Bryant being the pick at #8 is slim.
Unless the old man wants to make up for his mistake last year and take a REAL #1 WR in Bryant…who can also return punts.
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Actually we have a receiver that would play the exact same position as Dez Bryant in Chaz Shielens arguably our best receiver. Dez Bryant is not the speed burner that DHB is. He would play a different position. Unless of course, in his year out of football he got his forty time down to below 4.4.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Key word. Campbell game film shows that he is “terrible”. We need a guy who can start from day one, Okung is one or Trent Williams, the rest are projects. Okung is worthy of 8th overall pick, T Williams a second rounder or late first rounder at best. Please AL, take the best talent available if its Dez Bryant I would be happy. As Priesttj said, if we get Dez as our first and T Williams as our second, I will be running to Oakland butt naked. Lol
February 27th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
What about the 2 big runs up the Middle @ 24 & 35 sec?!?!
Do you have selective Watching disorder too?
February 27th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
I like Okung, T Williams, Campbell, and A Davis for LT.
Kyle Calloway, Sam Young, and Ciron Bkack for RT.
I also like Ciron Black as an OG.
This draft is Full of Talent at the DT position.
MLB: McClain, Spikes, M Johnson, or Boris Lee. ( I don’t like the rest)
Austen Lane is a Freak at DE, and we can draft him in the 3rd due to him being from a small school. He is raw!
WR/ KR Jacoby Ford can be our D Jackson!
CB Walter Thurmond & LB Micah Johnson will fall due to injury the last year at college, and both will be steals after the 3RD RD!
February 27th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Seymour Bush
On his pro day, Dez will run 4.4 or 4.3, the guy is been training with the best and if you seen him play, he is the kind of guy that plays faster with pads on. There are many guys who run 4.3 but when they suited up, they more like 4.7 for example Vernon Davis. The guy run a 4.3 but really seems slow for a guy who run that speed. Hakeem Nicks ran a 4.5 last year but he is burner for the Giants. Speed is not everything in Dez, the guy is a touchdown machine, a one of a kind receiver. Schillens is been injured every year he is been in the league, he is not even a fast healer like T.O, to be honest Schillens is at best a number 2 Wr not a guy who gets you TDs in the red zone, teams do shut him down and I don’t see him as a guy with 85 catches 1400 yards and 10 tds a year, Dez is that kind of guy. Murphy can be our number 1 Wr, he has a talent for getting open and understands where to be to get the ball, Schillens is average so far nothing I seen in him makes him a go to guy. Can he be maybe? but I want our team to be like the Saints have three quality wide receivers that are hard to cover, that would force teams to play deep against us which opens up running lane. If we go into next year with the same Wrs crew we got and Schillens gets injured and DHB struggles in his second year, we won’t be able to run even if we have 5 pro bowl linemen, teams would stack 8 men in the box and challenge us to win through the air, we seen that happen in 2007 when our rushing was top 3 in the league I believe it was 2007 or 2006. We need to spread the offense and force teams to cover our Wrs.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
I heard people compare him to Andre Johnson. Andre is faster, but this kid can catch.
I still will not draft him.
Suh or Mccoy, Okung, A Davis, B Campbell, T Williams, McClain, or Haden Only at 8!!’
February 27th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Minimally we need an OLT (move Henderson to RT) and top level center. Keep Gallery at center and if no top OG is available in the draft use Walker at RG. A far as Carlisle goes, keep as a back-up or release him. Morris & Satelle are at best back-up players. Henderson is better suited for run blocking and less aggressive pass blocking. He’ll do fine at ORT especially if we put a big-body next to him like Walker.
As far as our other immediate draft needs go, we definitely need a run stuffing MLB and a run stuffing DT. Morrison or Howard can play the WSLB. Keep Trevor Scott at SSLB. He’s doing well there.
Our backfield is pretty well established. Nhamdi at CB, Let CJ or Huff work the other corner. Stick Mike Mitchell at “in the box” SS and let Branch roam at the FS. Actually, that’s a very strong group of 5. I’m assuming the Rhoutt will be gone to FA so we might need to pick up a development CB in the draft.
So, as I see it, the starting lineup wil look like New OLT, Gallery, New C, Walker, Henderson, Zach Miller, Schillins, Murphy, Bush, OO (assuming he’s regained his health)and who the hell knows at QB.
On the D it should be Shaughnessy, Kelley, New DT, Seymour, Scott, New MLB, Howard/Morrison, Asomugha, CJ/Huff, Mitchell/Huff, Branch/Huff.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Believe me I like Dez Bryant. My point is based on his lst two years at Ok State he was projected to be more of a possession guy than a speed guy. Shielens is our possession guy. I don’t think we need another one of those.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
It pisses me off, that the Anquan Bolding/Andre Johnson type of #1 WR in Dez Bryant maybe be there at #8, but since the old man screwed up last year by reaching for a WR like DHB, the chances are Bryant being the pick at #8 is slim.
Unless the old man wants to make up for his mistake last year and take a REAL #1 WR in Bryant…who can also return punts.
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Actually we have a receiver that would play the exact same position as Dez Bryant in Chaz Shielens arguably our best receiver. Dez Bryant is not the speed burner that DHB is. He would play a different position. Unless of course, in his year out of football he got his forty time down to below 4.4.
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LOL….your reasoning and evaluation is proof as to why the Raiders have sucked for 7 years….
February 27th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Given our need for BIG-UGLIES, both O & D, I fully expect AD to pick Dez Bryant @ #8 if he’s available.
As far a already having a possession receiver, we can never have enough possession players, especially if they are speedy receivers too.
February 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
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LOL….your reasoning and evaluation is proof as to why the Raiders have sucked for 7 years….
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What are you talking about?
February 27th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
I heard people compare him to Andre Johnson. Andre is faster, but this kid can catch.
I still will not draft him.
Suh or Mccoy, Okung, A Davis, B Campbell, T Williams, McClain, or Haden Only at 8!!’
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I would take Dez ahead of Campbell, McClain, Williams and Haden!
Especially if the Raiders didn’t do the stupid thing last year and reach for DHB ahead of guys like Oher, Monroe, Orakpo, and Raji.
Now, since the dumb old man did the stupid thing last year, the chances are of getting a REAL, DYNAMIC #1 type of WR like a Boldin and A Johnson type in Dez Bryant are not good.
Gawd I can’t stand that old man Al.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
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LOL….your reasoning and evaluation is proof as to why the Raiders have sucked for 7 years….
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What are you talking about?
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Well, I’m talking about you worrying about a 4.30 straight lien forty and saying non sense that Schilens already plays the position Bryant would play.
Come on…..I like Chaz but he is injury prone and Bryant is a better overall and polished WR prospect than Chaz, Murphy, DHB, and JLH EVER were!
February 27th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
# JB Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Given our need for BIG-UGLIES, both O & D, I fully expect AD to pick Dez Bryant @ #8 if he’s available.
As far a already having a possession receiver, we can never have enough possession players, especially if they are speedy receivers too.
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Speedy receivers, who are physical who have great body control and good hands……especially….but the old man doesn’t like drafting those types within the top ten….hence why he passed on STUDS like Fitz and Calvin Johnson and then ends up doing something stupid and reaches for a one dimensional WR like DHB??
Oy vey….ugh!
February 27th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
We just flat out need a O linemen in this draft. The closest thing we have had to a decent lineman has been Gallery. Aside from him we have not made a move for a probowl or 1st round O lineman in seven years.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
^^^^^^^^^
LOL….your reasoning and evaluation is proof as to why the Raiders have sucked for 7 years….
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What are you talking about?
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Well, I’m talking about you worrying about a 4.30 straight lien forty and saying non sense that Schilens already plays the position Bryant would play.
Come on…..I like Chaz but he is injury prone and Bryant is a better overall and polished WR prospect than Chaz, Murphy, DHB, and JLH EVER were!
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No. What I am saying is positions are not interchangeable. An OLB is not an ILB. A SS is not a FS. A blocking TE and receiving TE are not the same position. LT is different from RT and requires a different skill set. An X receiver and a Y receiver are different positions. We already have one that I think we are all happy with. We have too many other holes to go for that. If you don’t know the difference in these positions, you are showing your ignorance of the game. Just saying.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Man, was last years draft horrible.
Made me and I think most us sensible Raider fans in the Nation turn off the freakin TV after Mitchell was picked in Round 2 and not care what happened later in the draft.
Granted Murphy was a steal in Round 4 and Shaunessy has potential but after the 1st two rounds last year…..I was disgusted and I called it a crappy way to start the draft and didn’t care what happened next.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
OL is a must and the OT Williams would be great. But so is MLB and NT. If we could land a monster NT, then that would enable a switch to the 3-4 where the speedy LBs will work better–Morrison cannot play MLB effectively in a 4-3 system. Trevor Scott would be well suited to rush the QB as a OLB in a 3-4. If we stick with the 4-3, then a MLB is as big need.
But why do I have the feeling Al will draft Taylor Mays? Because he runs a 4.2 and is a DB. Al loves DBs…has drafted 16 of them since 2000. Against a grand total of 3 DTs. No wonder the D is a mess.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
As far as WR keepers go we now have Schillins, Murphy, DHB, Nick Miller, JLH and 3 other new names. I personally feel JLH is damaged goods and he still hasn’t recovered from getting blown up. If AD should pick Dez Bryant, he should fit into the rotation right away. DHB will probably need another year under is belt to grow into a producing WR.
Now all we will need is a producing QB.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
By the way….Dez Bryant is Mayocks #3 ranked OVERALL player…..if he drops to #8….sometimes you better take the best OVERALL player available.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
By the way….Dez Bryant is Mayocks #3 ranked OVERALL player…..if he drops to #8….sometimes you better take the best OVERALL player available.
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This is why I think AD will pick him if he’s there even though the WR position is way down the list as far as the draft goes.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Key Raiders have roster bonuses coming
Posted by Evan Silva on February 27, 2010 5:39 PM ET
Scout.com’s Adam Caplan reports on his website’s Combine live blog that three Raiders starters are scheduled to receive roster bonuses next month. They are left guard Robert Gallery, defensive tackle Gerard Warren, and running back Justin Fargas.
Caplan doesn’t have the price tags, but we know that Warren’s bonus is worth $1 million. Fargas is slated to receive a $1.5 million salary in 2010, while Gallery’s is $625,000.
Warren, who had just two sacks in 2009, and Fargas, who averaged just 3.8 yards per carry and turned 30 last month, may be candidates for release. Oakland is deep in the offensive backfield, and Warren is obviously overpaid.
The Raiders figure to make good in Gallery’s bonus because he has been their most consistent lineman since executing a successful conversion from left tackle.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Cut Warren and crush test dummy Fargas, they are not worth any bonus.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Don’t say cut Warren. We have people that think he’s a contributor to this defense.
JHill, I saw the two clips of the Ravens and Cowboys games. The first run that Rice bounced outside was clearly on Morrison. But the bulk of those runs looked like surges by the offense. 1-1 blocking of DTs and Guards and Fullbacks surging into the 2nd level. Replay those clips in slow motion…in a Cowboy clip…Trevor Scott is fighting of a Tackle or Guard….no one running clean as Ray Lewis would say…..
This team will forever be terrible until they address the middle of that defense….DT and MLB….and in that order.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Justin Fargas should be getting back up money. A 3.8 yd per average, below average catching skills precious little playmaking ability.
The Raiders lead the league in overpaying middling players.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Being that the draft seems to be loaded with lineman this year I really think we need to get a playmaker at #8. Grabbing some O-lineman in rnd 2 ,3 & 5 would instantly be a huge upgrade. I like Vladimir Duccasse in rnd 2 & Brandon Carter from Texas Tech has Raider written all over him in rnd 5. So the playmaker should be McClain in rnd 1. Some mock drafts have Brandon Spikes falling to us as low as the 3rd rnd, but I have a feeling some team is still gonna take him in the 1st. I would hate to see us miss out on one of the top 2 MLBs when we can still fix the O-line in this years draft in the mid rnds.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:42 pm
As for the draft. O-Line and D-line needs to be the priority. When you spend top 10 picks on WR, QB, RB, CB, S…..quite frankly…those guys “have to play better”
The DT position next to Kelly and the MLB position are the weak links in the chain. The levels of play at those positions are unacceptable.
So, in the 2nd round draft a 1-gap DT and get a free agent MLB. Ruud would be a good place to start.
Also, stop talking about the 1st round. Bruce Campbell is a Raider. No doubt about it!
February 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
pretty rick,
When the middle of the D-Line can’t keep the linebackers clean…no 1st round pick will be effective. We need to fix the middle of this line for once. The most neglected position on the team…only 3 low round draft picks since 2000….and is it a wonder the Raiders are the softest team in the league
Get a MLB that already knows how to play the position and call a defense. No rookie is going to be able to do that hear in the current state this team is in
February 27th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
By the way….Dez Bryant is Mayocks #3 ranked OVERALL player…..if he drops to #8….sometimes you better take the best OVERALL player available.
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Most successful teams will do that after they have had success. It’s a good strategy once you are winning, but not a good one when you have tons of holes to fill like us.
February 27th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
SnB
Statistics indicate that TK and KM are among the league leaders in tackles for their positions.
What does that tell you?
February 27th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
Kell, it tells me that other teams run up the gut against us A LOT. That doesn’t necessarily make them good at tackling or being in the right place to stuff the run: it just means that they get a ton of opportunities.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:01 pm
MadBomber Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
OL is a must and the OT Williams would be great.
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Trent Williams is strictly a RT in the pros. Not that we don’t need a RT.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
SnB,, I agree. What I dont understand is why the Raiders cant see that the problem can be fixed by moving Seymour inside to DT & leave him there. If you think about it Seymours big plays came when he was at DT rather than DE. I like Shaunessey to take Ellis spot, & I must be the only one left who thinks Jay Richardson should be starting at the opposite DE. I think that would allow us to take McClain with the first pick. I also would like Cam Thomas with one of the 3rd rnd picks.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Trent Williams ran a 4.68.
Fix the O line please!~
February 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
pretty rick,
When the middle of the D-Line can’t keep the linebackers clean…no 1st round pick will be effective. We need to fix the middle of this line for once. The most neglected position on the team…only 3 low round draft picks since 2000….and is it a wonder the Raiders are the softest team in the league
Get a MLB that already knows how to play the position and call a defense. No rookie is going to be able to do that hear in the current state this team is in
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Rolando McClain. Our MLB is awful and a solid thumper who wasn’t constantly out of position would make our DT’s look much better and actually STOP the run.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
What’s up Raider Nation,
I don’t understand all this talk of Moving Mario to RT, if we draft an OT in the first this year. Ease the rookie in on the right side, which is supposed to be less demanding than protecting the QB’s blind side.
Besides, Mario is a more natural LT, anyways. Pass pro. is his strong suit…Long arms, decent lateral movement. He made his name in ‘08 neutralizing Mario Williams and Gaines Adams (RIP) in back to back weeks. Like any young player he has had his ups and downs. Orakpo absolutely abused him. However, I believe he responded the next week by shutting out Elvis Dumervil, who was leading the league in sacks, at the time. Besides, drive blocking is not really his strength.
Leave Mario alone at LT and bring in an upgrade for Mop Handle at RT, in the draft or FA. IMO.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Like I said, the O-line can be fixed instantly in the mid rnds. McClain & Spikes will be gone by the end of the 1st. & I think Micah Johnson’s stock is gona jump up into the 3rd rnd. Fix the O-line but get that Mlb that can make take a load off our DTs.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
What’s up Raider Nation,
I don’t understand all this talk of Moving Mario to RT, if we draft an OT in the first this year. Ease the rookie in on the right side, which is supposed to be less demanding than protecting the QB’s blind side.
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There’s a problem with that. Because every single thing is opposite. That’s was one of the big criticisms that outside organizations had with us with Rob Gallery. We started him on the Left side then moved him over to the right side, then moved him back over to the left side. Every single thing is completely opposite: stance, footwork, arm swing, everything. Best off to put someone in a position and leave them there. Don’t shift them side to side. To me it could be a problem doing that with Henderson after 3 years on the left side but I think he is better suited to the Right Side.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
How about Trent Williams in the 1st, and either Jon Asamoah or Mike Johnson in the 2nd. And I agree let the rookie play RT and give him a chance to get up to speed. The Guard too. They learn and grow together.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Bruce Campbell was an impressive looking physical specimen today. That dude is ripped, and he can move. I just hope he’s not the old proverbial “Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane” type. And I hope that’s all natural, not the Tony Mandarich type of Ripped. The guy looked good though. Opened a lot of eyes today. You know he got Al’s attention. I think he might be too risky for top 10 money, though.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
If you guys think we are drafting O-line in the first round, and you don’t think it will be Campbell, than well…you just haven’t been paying attention to how things work around here.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
DK,
I dont think Dez is better than any of those guys. The gut didn’t play football last year, and has ONE year of real production.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
And hope like hell Bryan Price falls to us in the 3rd round.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
I definatley know that Robert Gallery didn’t run a fast 40 at the combine. So, I would like to hear the rationale on that statement Vegas. Yes Al get’s wet over fast 40’s but, more in the skilled positions. Not offensive line.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
BREAKING NEWS
Hillbilly driver has wrecked Danica and she is out of the race.
I repeat. Danica is out of the race.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Didn’t we draft the guy the last two years in the first-round who was the “combine” star?
Didn’t we draft Mike Mitchell, after his awesome pro-day? Same with Jamarcus?
Al is going to take the guy with the most “upside”. That would be Campbell.
But as we have learned, upside really isn’t worth a hill of beans.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
We didn’t draft Ghoulston.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
or Vernon Davis
February 27th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Ghost,,
No way Price makes it out of the 1st rnd. Some of the so-called experts are saying he has the highest ceiling & that he may turn out to be the best pro. Sorry bruh but anyone targeting Price is gona have to use their 1st rnder.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
We drafted DH freaking B!!!!
8th!!!
We may not have drafted Vernon Davis, but that’s only after trading up and getting burned with another combine star Ricky Dudley.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I agree but, I don’t want to give up hope. He really isn’t getting the press the other two guys are getting tho…
February 27th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
So yes, Ghost it’s not 100% of the time we draft the combine warrior.
But we do it often enough, that I don’t trust Al not to take the “measurables” in the first round.
After the first, he settles down, and has been pretty damn solid with the mid rounds.
But that first round, man, he can’t resist!!!
February 27th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Do you really see Al paying big money for another DT in this draft after giving up a first rounder next year for Seymour? I don’t it’s either OL or MLB and Al doesn draft MLB in the first round.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Curious what type of price tag you guys think it would take to trade up to #2 (lions) and what you would be willing to give up to do so?
I think #8, a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year might get it done, and I would seriously consider pulling that trigger.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:38 pm
And for the record DHB wasn’t a combine warrior as much as he was a speed demon. I see Al going after Trindon Holliday for the same reason too.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
I’m not sold on Dez B. The guy has ONE year of Good production, and he didn’t play most of last year.
I think he has talent, but he is not a top 10 pick!
February 27th, 2010 at 4:40 pm
I think Cam Thomas would be great with the 1st 3rd rnd pick, then if one of the better O-lineman is there for the taking with the 2nd 3rd rnder we grab him. McClain, Cam Thomas, Vladimir Duccasse, Brandon Carter or Ciron Black. Then we wouldve fixed the O-line, D-line & Mlb then everybody’s happy. Atleast me anyways.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Vegas,
you thinking about going up to get McCoy, or better yet Suh, if the Lambs take Bradford #1? I would love to see either of those two wrecking balls in the middle of the Raider D.
It might be possible, supposedly both St. Louis and Detroit are open to trading back.
I just don’t know if Al would be able to afford the guaranteed money up at the top again.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Buckeye,
We know that one of either Suh or McCoy will be available at #2 and maybe both (with Bradford #1).
We also know Al is fond of trading up, not down, especially in the first.
With our run D that way it has been for years, you have to consider both guys, and especially Suh.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
I would make the infamous bet from Trading Places that we don’t take DLine in the first.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Trindon Holliday Wr, LSU. 4.22 40yd. time.
Be Afraid, be very afraid!
February 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Now he will more than likely be on our roster in 2010.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
O Mock Draft 7.0:
1- OT T Williams, Campbell, or A Davis
2- ILB Spikes
3- DT Cam Thomas
3- DE Austen Lane
4- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
5- OT/ OG Ciron Black, OT Sam Young, of OG M Johnson.
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Demarcus Granger
February 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
I think it will be Holliday in the 3rd or the 4th.
February 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Well I was just in for a quickie…later gents
February 27th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Dammit Trindon!!! You just had to go & run a 4.2. Thanks alot jackazz!! Al,, dont do it!!!!!
February 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Take it ez Vegas. Did Bob hook up with you for the drink? I never heard
February 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
what can I say,
O-line in ‘08. (cough)
O-line in ‘09. (cough)
O-line in ‘010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 27th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Ghost,
about all I can remember from that movie are Eddie Murphy’s “Legs” and Jamie Lee Curtis’ breasts. LOL
February 27th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
LMAO @ Walterfootball!
They have B Campbell’s projected RD as: “No. 8 pick”
February 27th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
The two old guys bet a dollar they can or can’t make Eddie Murphy a prized trader.
February 27th, 2010 at 5:00 pm
Who did Walterfootball have us taking last year?
February 27th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
OT Jared Velvier from division two school. 6′8″ 320 ran a 5.02. Nice
February 27th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
DHB!
February 27th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
He has small arms: 33″!
February 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
They nailed it.
February 27th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Bruce Campbell aka Gholston alike aka Roid head, experts said his game film is terrible, boom or bust not worth a high pick. Give him the money and he is out.
February 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Gerard Warren WOULD NOT be a starter on any other team in the NFL.
Look, DT is not a “glamorous position” but it is a key to good run defense.
Someone said take an MLB to take the load of the DTs…..Its the DTs job to shoulder the load so that the backers can crash the line and make plays.
Ray Lewis demanded a trade if the Ravens didn’t draft a plug up the middle.
Stop thinking this team can win with middling talent. Warren is no starting DT and Kelly is barely serviceable. Inside-Out is how you properly build a team. This fascination with athleticism…highlight reels etc has ruined this franchise and its fanbase.
Are you not tired of 30 something run defense. Excusing away the performance by blaming the offense or blaming the big plays? Gimmie a break…BAD IS BAD and this run defense is atrocious.
even in the games that were competitive, the Raider run defense was not very good and the pass defense suffered as well.
man up this soft touch team
February 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Rd 1 OL
RD 2 OL or Cody
RD 3 OL
RD 3 OL
February 27th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Trade down, otherwise Al overpays for some underachieving punk who gave him a hard on at the combine.
February 27th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
What’s up Raider Nation,
I don’t understand all this talk of Moving Mario to RT, if we draft an OT in the first this year. Ease the rookie in on the right side, which is supposed to be less demanding than protecting the QB’s blind side.
Besides, Mario is a more natural LT, anyways. Pass pro. is his strong suit…Long arms, decent lateral movement. He made his name in ‘08 neutralizing Mario Williams and Gaines Adams (RIP) in back to back weeks. Like any young player he has had his ups and downs. Orakpo absolutely abused him. However, I believe he responded the next week by shutting out Elvis Dumervil, who was leading the league in sacks, at the time. Besides, drive blocking is not really his strength.
Leave Mario alone at LT and bring in an upgrade for Mop Handle at RT, in the draft or FA. IMO.
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I agree. The guy was a high school basketball star. He’s built like a power forward. He needs to stay on the left side.
February 27th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Ideally Al Davis trades down about 5 to 6 spots and drafts Dan Williams out of Tennessee.
Unfortunately, Campbell had one of the best 40x for his position. So I hope this kid can buck a trend that goes from Patrick Buchanon to Fabian Washington and Darren McFadden and JaDavis Russell or DHB……
February 27th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
If you dont fix the oline we will go 5-11 in 2010
February 27th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Could Okung drop becase he has a groin injury sufferd at the combine?????
February 27th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
No, Okung won’t drop because of a groin injury at a practice.
Most GMs weight game film over combine performance
February 27th, 2010 at 6:32 pm
Listen a lot of you are way overthinking this thing. T Williams is as good a talent at OT as we need if we put him on the right or left doesn’t matter if we have two very good young OT’s that’s all that matters. We are very lucky to have the kind of talent available at a spot where we are in desparate need. The Oline in this draft is deep. We could conceavably fix the Oline in this draft. A Davis, Bulaga, T Williams and later someone else. We could get get a very good OG as late as the 4thh or 5th and solve the issue at MLB add a very good WR. And add a solid HB like Garhardt which would be awesome.
Mario can play LT he’s proven it. He had some issues with speed late last year but the kid can play. He’s still very young himself. This draft can put some finishing touch’s on this team.
Darknight you are whinniest crybaby I’ve ever seen. You don’t know football, you don’t know players anyone who says we had a bad draft last year is stupid. We got 5 players out of 7 picks and they contributed last year. We even got good snaps out of a FA DT find another team that did better. You may not like DHB now but that doesn’t mean that kid isn’t going to pay very good dividends in the near future. In short you are a whinny dumbell who shouldn’t even be talking football because you don’t have a freakin’ clue.
February 27th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
SnB, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about with Warren you do’t know what other teams think not word one. You’ve been saying that about players n this team for years and they leave and start for other teams all the time. You said the same thing about Jerry Porter, Tyler Brayton, Langston Walker, Justin Fargas and on and on. You need to shut the hell up with that crap. Because you don’t know. Mr BJ Raji is all world. Give me a break….DUMB is DUMB and you are it.
February 27th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Man, as much as all of you guy’s criticise Mr Davis for being a size weight speed guy. Everyone of is pushing the very same thing.
Mayock did the same thing with Anthony Davis after heavily criticizing Mr Davis A Davis ran a slow time in the 40 of all things and he jumped him for it. Hypocrit!!
February 27th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
1)T. Williams / McClain
2)Ducasse / Pouncey
3a) Cam Thomas
3b) Ed Dickson
4) A Lane
5a) Shipley? Not sure what his projection is
5b) Thurmond
7) best FB
February 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 27th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Ray Lewis demanded a trade if the Ravens didn’t draft a plug up the middle.
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I don’t know how this whole thing started, but he may have asked for guys in the middle, but he never got them.
Kelly Gregg has been the starting NT for the Ravens for 8 years, and is more productive, statistically speaking, than Ngata. Ngata plays end, and slides into the middle during passing downs.
When Gregg got hurt in 2008, they plugged the hole with an undrafted rookie, and well, nobobdy noticed as the Ravens were still one of the best run D’s.
February 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Who else have the Ravens got in the middle recently, as to meet the demands of Ray Lewis?
Anyone?
They have drafted mostly for offense the last 5 years. Rice, Clayton, Flacco and a bunch of O-lineman.
February 27th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Good Evening BHP.
I have to disagree with you sir regarding Warren. Warren didn’t do well at Denver, and was traded to us for a 5th RD!
As for the players you mentioned like Porter ( released from the jags after a 1 year), Brayton who didn’t do Anything to justify his selection in the 1st RD, Walker (is playing OG now), and Fargas can’t score TDs and has no vision.
I agree with you about Williams. The kid is an Athlete!
February 27th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Warren, TK, TH, and Kirk are the problem!! All but TH started 32 games in the last 2 seasons, and TH started 31! We ranked in the bottom 4 in the NFL against the run those 2 years. We changed Coaches, but the results are the same: BAD RUN D!!
STOP MAKING EXCUSES!!!!
Those are the Facts.
February 27th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Stats and Video can used to show both sides of an argument, so I only consider the FACTS!!
Facts are:
-TH, Kirk, Warren, and TK are starters on the front 7 who can’t stop the run.
- changing D Coaches didn’t help!!
- you can blame the offense all you want, but other teams have bad Offenses and play better Defense.
- we ranked in the bottom 4 against the run for a few years now!!
February 27th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Can be used*
I hate Tom Brady, Mich, and their Fans!!!
Damn you mich!!
February 27th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
O,
OSU kicked Michigan’s butt in hoops today
February 27th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Vegas,
Mich is an overrated program, and Their fans are preppies!!
We kicked their butt in football last year too!
February 27th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
I don’t care if The OSU doesn’t win bowl games, as long as we beat mich every year!
February 27th, 2010 at 8:33 pm
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February 27th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
RaiderO
It doesn’t matter if Porter never played a down they paid him 30 million when SnB said NO TEAM would want him. Tyler Brayton played for the Panthers when SNB said the only reason he was in the NFL was because Al Davis was so stupid. And almost everyone in here said fargas was so much garbage in her said Fargas was garbage if got DMC you would never see Fargas again. Well now these guy’s are talking about DMC the same way.
Truth be tld they don’t know their ass frm a hole in the ground. Incidently they are the same people making all the jokes about Russell s welll. They never stop with the buffoonery.
February 27th, 2010 at 9:36 pm
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February 27th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Draft Talk!!
February 27th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Team needs according to the Raiders Team Report on Yahoo Sports:
Team Needs
1. Offensive tackle: Right tackle Cornell Green needs to be replaced, and left tackle Mario Henderson faded in 2009.
2. Linebacker: With improved play at safety and plenty of talent up front, the Raiders could use a hard-nosed linebacker who could stop the run. Alabama’s Rolando McClain could look good at No. 8 overall.
3. Wide receiver: Incumbents Chaz Schilens, Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey need a veteran presence for both guidance and additional first downs.
Must say I agree.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
I think our needs are: OT, DT, MLB, FB, KR, OG, C, and CB.
- I don’t like the Cs in this draft.
- CB Walter Thurmond IMHO will be the steal of the draft in RD 5. The guy had 10 ints, 26 PBUs, and 169 TKLs in 2 seasons!! He will drop due to injury. He only played 4 games this season and teams didn’t throw his way!
-OTs that I like: Okung, Williams, Davis, Campbell, Brown, and Kyle Collaway & Sam Young as RTs.
- this is a great draft fot DTs!
- only MLB I like are: McClain, Spikes, Micah Johnson, and Boris Lee for Pure MLBs, and Spoon as a MLB/ OLB.
-KR I like Jacoby Ford, T Holliday, and Leroy Vann. ( in that order)
-OG: I like V Ducasse, M Newhouse, M Petrus, M Johnson, and Ciron Black.
- we can find a a FB easy, draft one in the 7th RD, or sign one.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
If we draft or pursue FA pro bowl O linemen our defense would probably improve. They would’nt have to be on the field all day after those three and outs.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Our Big needs are:
OT, MLB, And FB! IMO Chaz, Murphy, DHB, and JLH are good enough for NOW. We can throw if we don’t have an Oline, capable QB, and a run game.
We need Oline, Fux the run game & add a blocking FB, and improve JR & the entire position.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
We CAN’T throw…*
February 27th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
I think we’ve been on the same page with Thurmond O. He should drop in the draft with his injury and he’s gonna be a good CB in the NFL.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:27 pm
O Mock 7.5:
1- OT T Williams, A Davis, or Campbell.
2- ILB Spikes
3- DT Cam Thomas
3- KR/ WR Jacoby Ford
4- DE Austen Lane
5- OG: John Jerry, M Johnson, or Ciron Black. Or we can add another OT like Sam Young.
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Demarcus Granger
February 27th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Raider O
We struggled with two rookies Wrs for more then half the season cause Schillens got injured. If he gets injured again, teams will stack the box and we won’t be able to run even with new OL, the NFL is a passing league, we need guys that can stretch the offense and open up lanes for the running backs. I say if Dez Bryant is there, we HAVE to take him, he is a guy who will make everyone’s life easy including your beloved OL.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Bruce Campbell will be our pick.
He’s an Al Davis type pick.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
- We get Value with Jacoby Ford as a KR & Slot WR.
- MWRaider agrees on Thurmond! lol
- We can sign a C in FA, and FB after the draft!
Do it AL!
February 27th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
MW Fan*
Sorry
February 27th, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Javon Walker might have been taking HGH.
“Elite athletes” expected to be subpoenaed in Galea probe
Posted by Mike Florio on February 27, 2010 10:41 PM ET
In December, word emerged that a Canadian doctor who treats many athletes including NFL players is under investigation for giving HGH to patients.
The report received extra attention because one of Dr. Tony Galea’s patients is Eldrick Woods, prompting the then-nascent media Tiger pile to breathlessly wonder whether Woods is using performance-enhancing drugs, unless of course he isn’t.
Now, David Espstein and Melissa Segura of SI.com report that federal law enforcement officials have advised “a number of world-class athletes” that they should expect to receive grand jury subpoenas regarding the Galea case.
The report names Broncos quarterback Chris Simms and former Browns running back Jamal Lewis as patients of Dr. Galea. The December report identified Simms and Raiders receiver Javon Walker as Galea patients.
Since the NFL doesn’t test for HGH, players find themselves disciplined for its use when caught with it, admitting to its use, or when their names appear as customers of folks who sell or dispense it.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Raiders4eve,
Jacoby Ford can our D Jackson and P Harvin type of player!
We need Value, and I hate to say this bro, but Dez has one year of good production, and he didn’t play most of last season. No Way he is a top ten pick IMHO
February 27th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
If Litto Shepard is available, would anyone want AL to pursue him?
February 27th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Cool O. You can prob tell I’m an Oregon fan from my mock above. I’d like to get Dickson as well but TE not really a need. I’m real curious to see where Thurmond goes. I’m thinking for sure it will be day 3. Weird to say day 3 of the draft.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Raider O
Dez Bryant has more touchdowns in that year then DHB had in two years, it don’t matter, the guy is solid.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Can be*
We can’t throw, if the QB is sacked, and we have no run game.
We need OT in the 1st RD! We can’t keep passing on good OL talent. We passed on J Thomas, R Glady, M Oher, And Monroe.
February 27th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
There is Good Talent at the TE position this year, but we have Miller & Myers. I also think M Reece can be a good receiving TE.
I like Walter Thurmond a lot, and teams were avoiding him before he got injured and he still had a pick. I’m not am Oregon fan, so tell me more about him.
How fast is he? He is projected to run a 4.5. I think he runs faster than that.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
I think he runs a 4.38 – 4.42, but he plays faster than that.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:03 pm
5′10″ about 180. should run somewhere in the low 4.5 range. Difficult to tell how OR DB’s will translate into the NFL. I thought Chung was gonna have a huge impact for the Patriots but he was ok at best this year from what I can tell. Than you take Boyd from the Bills and he very well could have been defensive rookie of the year except for Brian Cushing!
Oregon uses their Cb’s and safeties interchangably (sp?) Thurmond from time to time was allowed to roam the field and it seemed like he was always around the ball. Just think he’s got good instincts and Very Very good hands.
I might be mistaken, but I think he also did some kick returning before his injury. While he gets broken in at CB he’ll have some addtl benefit.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
He can possibly get into the 4.4 range with all the training that players do these days for these pre draft drills. Your right, he does play faster than that though. Going back to the good instincts.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Early predictions.
4-12.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Isn’t it past your bedtime?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
You are right. I don’t think he will run a sub 4.4. I wanted him
To run a sub 4.4, so Al can draft him. lol
February 27th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
For sure O.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Yeh, it’s past my bed time. I’m just not cool enough to stay up past 11 and talk Raiders’ draft picks.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
not all who do well at the combine are busts! Look at D Ware, V Davis, and Chris Johnson!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:16 pm
Midwest, give me an early prediction. 2010 Oakland Raiders. W-L record. What will it be?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
That’s kinda what I figured.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
2010 Raiders. Predict their record, Midwest. How much confidence do you have in this team? Doesn’t sound like much. You can’t even say how many games you think they can win.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
Lets see what we do at FA and the draft. It’s eat too early for predictions!
February 27th, 2010 at 11:20 pm
I’d say if we atleast get 1 solid olineman in the draft, regardless of what round. We go 8-8 or 9-7.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
It’s not too early for a ball park. 0 to 5 wins. 6 to 8. 9 to 11. 12 to 16. Which of the 4 do you think it will be?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
9-7? Just what offensive linemen is supposed to make this happen? Is Godzilla in the draft?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
I’m going with 0 to 5 wins, btw.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Eat!!
Sorry but I was eating.lol
February 27th, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Midwest, what offensive lineman in the draft is so good to where he will give Russell the 20 seconds he’ll need per down to find someone open in our offense?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
And how’s one o lineman going to pick up the slack for the 4 other girls on the line?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Possibly. I just don’t think that their that far away from being a solid team. I think Hue is gonna help the entire offense and the WR’s are going to develop. I don’t think anyone really believed that DHB was going to produce right away. I’m just hoping he avoids the bust label.
Defense is solid. Not great but solid. We also play the NFC West next year which I think we could probably get 3 wins right there.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
How is Hue going to help the offense? What kind of offense does he even run? Is he going to decide who starts at QB? Far as I know, it’s going to be Russell. How will he get our offensive line to block for Gradkowki is he starts? You saw how Grad’s season ended; in a cast. Our line sucks. Our playcalling does not protect the QB, and we were calling a lot of short timing stuff. This offense is just fractured. But you’re saying we’re one O lineman away from 9-7? Who? Butterbean?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Oh, that’s right. Butterbean’s already our head coach.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Have a great night Gents.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
I’d like to get 2 lineman but think at least one, not presuming too much there, will get this team to 9-7. Obviously I think a decent draft overall will help acheive that.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Yeh, I’m out of here, too. Lil Wayne Behind the Music is starting. Goodnight.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Just to make it fair they should allow every Raider OL play with a brick……even things out, you know?
February 27th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
Alright, Midwest, I’m just messing with you. You know that. Although I don’t think we’re going to win 9 games. Even if Hue is for real, etc…Al always finds a way to ruin it. You have to know that by now. 7 years running. Anyhow, I’m out of here. Goodnight. Don’t bother responding.
February 27th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
I would rather be hit with a brick than listen to “Little” Wayne.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:51 am
There’s 3 real choices at the OT spot.
Bryan Bulaga
Bruce Campbell
Trent williams
I watched them all at the combine drills.
Bulaga looks a bit manufactured and is not very fluid in his movements. The short arms and small hands really stand out when watching him. At times he reminded me a bit of Joe Thomas from Cleveland, but not as fluid in his movement. Thomas also had the short arms, but his feet were much quicker.
Campbell looks like a freak. Javon Kearse with 40 extra pounds. But he’s top heavy. He ran well and posted good numbers, but he’s too top heavy. I see him getting off balance far too often in the pros and not being able to redirect. But he’s also very young and could put some pounds on his lower half, and increase his base. Once a defender gets inside his arms and into his body, they should be able to get him off balance and drive him backwards with a bull rush.
Williams looked very good in the footwork drills and posted a blazing speed in the 40. He looked very athletic and ran with a very fluid motion. He should be able to redirect very quickly in the NFL. His quickness reminded me of a young Larry Allen, but without the brute force. The only question is his ability to lock on at the line of scrimmage and drive his man downfield. Unlike Campbell he doesn’t have the frame to add many more pounds. But overall, his quickness and ability to redirect place him ahead of the others.
Of those three, I would rate them Williams first, Bulaga second, Campbell third.
Williams most likely to end up on the left side, Bulaga as a RT, and Campbell?? Campbell is classic boom or bust type. He could be a pro bowler, or be out of the league in 4 years.
I know Campbell will be a favorite because of the numbers but I think Williams would be the best choice of the O-linemen. He could start immediately at LT or RT. At worst he could slide inside and be a huge upgrade at RG. He has the quickness and agility to make all the blocks against DT’s, DE’s, LB’s and DB’s.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:13 am
good morning nation
February 28th, 2010 at 6:14 am
Mark my words Northern D, Campbell is going to be a humongous flop.
If the Raiders don’t pick him, he will go in the mid first I think.
The dude does look like he was made of granite. But look at the top OT’s in the league, known of them are big weight-lifting looking types.
When I look at past drafts of OT, typically if you take the top 5 OT’s, you get one sure-fire Pro Bowler, 2 above average guys, one below average guy, and one guy that is out of the league in 4-5 years.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:15 am
Morning R8eray!!!
Hit a 2 teamer yesterday, UNLV with the New Mexico money-line!!!
February 28th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Vegas….I’ve been busy (doing side work), missing out!
Didn’t even know UNLV played yesterday!
What was the score?
February 28th, 2010 at 7:09 am
They blew out Air Force, and the Lobo’s upset BYU in Provo.
New Mexico was +300 on the moneyline.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:25 am
Just because a player likes to workout, does well at the combine, that doesn’t mean he is a bust.
Look at D Ware, J Kearse, C Johnson, and V Davis!
February 28th, 2010 at 7:28 am
It’s not like Campbell was rated as a 2nd RD pick, and he improved his rank.
He was projected to be a top 15 pick, and he improved his stock to top 10.
I like Campbell, but I think I like Williams a little more.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:34 am
After only 17 collegiate games, you have the guy as a bust?
I don’t get the Campbell hate.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:34 am
After running a 4.85 40 Campbell went on to rank among the leaders in nearly every athletic category including bench press and vertical jump. Add ideal size at 6′6 314 lbs and 36″ arms and Campbell had Lucas Oil Stadium buzzing about whether he had moved himself into the top 10 (with the Raiders picking eighth he might). While easily the day’s biggest winner, remember the combine is only part of the process and in Campbell’s case his performance was not a big surprise. In Campbell’s case you have to remember the hype is about potential more than production. He has shown to be a good pass protector but with just 17 starts he needs to improve his awareness, technique and consistency. In any case, I see Campbell as a surefire first rounder and likely top 20 selection even if the Raiders pass because of his upside and the number of team’s with left tackle needs.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:42 am
I think it’s a moot point though. I can’t think of one example of Al using the height/weight/speed thing on an offensive lineman.
Now if Dez Bryant or Joe Haden run a 4.3, THEN you’ll know who’s on our board.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:44 am
Al Davis passed up Calvin frickin Johnson for Jamarcus Russell and he get accussed of being a HWS guy?
LOL!
February 28th, 2010 at 7:49 am
Someone has to be the bust Jhill. My money’s on him. I’ll take the guys like Okung and T Williams, who have been on people’s radars for years.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Bruce Campbell never even had a season where he started and finished every game. Gee, wonder why people arent real sure about him???
February 28th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Just asking why you think that Vegas? Not saying you’re wrong.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:03 am
1 Rams – Bradford
2 Lions – Okung
3 Bucs – Suh
4 Redskins – Davis
5 Chiefs – Claussen
6 Seahawks – Berry
7 Browns – Haden
8 Raiders – McCoy
February 28th, 2010 at 8:04 am
Morning Raider Nation.
2 yrs ago, I said not to take Gholston after watching him play for the Buckeyes. I said he was a combine warrior and would be a bust. I am saying the same thing about Campbell.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:08 am
2nd thing, from PFT: LMFAO
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 27, 2010 10:56 AM ET
LSU running back Trindan Holliday vowed to run faster than Chris Johnson at the NFL Scouting Combine, and he may just have pulled it off.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter said Holliday ran a 4.22, which is faster than Johnson’s 4.24 from two years ago. Then again, all of the times that will come out of Indianapolis are unofficial for at least a few hours.
John McClain of the Houston Chronicle tweeted that another scout timed Holliday at 4.26 and 4.31.
We eagerly await the official results so we can know if the Raiders will take Holliday in round one or two.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Vegas,
That Holliday kid from LSU is the 40 time guy I’d like to see us draft. I grab him in the 4th rd if he’s there.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:14 am
LOL …
Didn’t see that Ex
February 28th, 2010 at 8:18 am
If Holliday can contribute, even just a little bit, offensively, than he would be worth a 4th round pick, IMO.
But a tiny, return-guy ONLY, just isn’t worth a 4th rounder, maybe 6th or 7th.
We need to build those lines remember!!!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Are the Lakers going to cover 6 today?
Denver beat them at home a few weeks ago right? I might roll with the Nuggets and the points.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:23 am
I don’t know man.
If PJ insists on matching up Fisher on Billups then yeah, I’d take Denver and the points.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:26 am
How about John Skelton?
3rd rd pick?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:30 am
The State Of The Raiders
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/state-of-the-raiders-what-the-2009-film-revealed/
Offense
It’s simple: this offense had no chance with JaMarcus Russell. He was everything a bad quarterback could be. His pocket awareness was closer to unawareness. When he actually made a decision, it was often wrong or too late. His league-worst 48.8 completion percentage was an adequate illustration of his accuracy. And his accuracy seemed to be slightly better than his leadership and work ethic.
The Raiders were poorly coached. The receivers were often asked to run deep patterns, which exposed a shaky offensive line. The run game was iffy (Justin Fargas wasn’t regularly on the field; Michael Bush was too slow; and Darren McFadden didn’t show the lateral agility or the physical grit to succeed in the N.F.L.).
Defense
Good individual players, but inconsistent cohesiveness. That continued to be the underlying theme for Oakland’s defense. No team asks more of its corners than Oakland’s man-intensive scheme. Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson did a superb job in isolated coverage. Strong safety Tyvon Branch wasn’t bad either. New DE Richard Seymour was fantastic against the run. He also provided the inside pass-rush that Tommy Kelly hasn’t since hurting his knee in 2007. Second-year pro Trevor Scott was the front seven’s most dynamic athlete. His edge quickness and fluidity in space generated a team-best seven sacks. The defense’s greatest flaw was surrendering big plays. A large number of those big plays resulted from poor linebacker play, particularly in the middle, where Kirk Morrison – a master of the half misstep – was once again unimpressive.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Top 5 Needs
1. Quarterback
You don’t get a full appreciation for how bad Russell is until you see this offense operate with fringe backups Bruce Gradkowski or Charlie Frye.
2. Offensive Tackle
LT Mario Henderson fluctuates between “young and gifted” and “raw and sloppy” each week. Don’t give up on him yet, but don’t let him get comfortable either. On the right side, free agent Cornell Green competes, but that’s not enough to warrant a new contract
3. Middle Linebacker
Oakland fans love Kirk Morrison because he grew up a Raiders fan and they see him as an emerging young player. (Partly because, in this team’s man-based scheme, it’s easy for laymen to spot linebackers making individual tackles.) But the reality is, Morrison is entering his sixth season, and in his five years as the starting middle linebacker, Oakland’s run defense has ranked 25th, 25th, 31st, 31st and 29th.
4. Pass-Rushing End
They already have a good young one in Trevor Scott, but they could use another. Having two speedy ends would alleviate the pressure on the corners in man coverage and allow Richard Seymour to operate full-time inside, where he’s at his best.
5. Center
The Dolphins traded Samson Satele because they didn’t believe he had enough raw power. The Raiders thought a zone scheme would suit Satele. It hasn’t.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Considering Tom Cable is the Head Coach and we still have the same Offensive Line Coach, we’re sticking with the zone blocking because if we were planning on changing those things, those 2 people would no longer be here.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Billups is a tough matchup for everybody.
With the Nuggets, it always depends on how their bench plays. If JR Smith is putting on his gang-bang 3 point show and the Birdman is flying around, the Nuggets are one of the best teams in the league.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Vegas,
What’s holding up things with Bruce? Getting close to the tender deadline, right?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:48 am
1 Rams – Bradford
2 Lions – Okung
3 Bucs – Suh
4 Redskins – Davis
5 Chiefs – Claussen
6 Seahawks – Berry
7 Browns – Haden
8 Raiders – McCoy
February 28th, 2010 at 8:54 am
JHill – You really think McCoy would fall to 8? I would see a team trading up and taking him before that ever happened.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Can’t discount another team trading up. But as it stands now, someone is going to fall.
How do the Rams pass on a QB?
How do the Lions NOT take a LT to protec Stafford?
Redskins OL is worse than ours.
No matter who falls, we are going to get a damn good player at 8.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Golden Tate … 4.3.
Uh-oh!
Mayock calls him the best RAC receiver in the draft, will go get the football, and really strong hands.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:09 am
r8eray Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 7:34 am
After running a 4.85 40 Campbell went on to rank among the leaders in nearly every athletic category including bench press and vertical jump. Add ideal size at 6′6 314 lbs and 36″ arms and Campbell had Lucas Oil Stadium buzzing about whether he had moved himself into the top 10 (with the Raiders picking eighth he might). While easily the day’s biggest winner, remember the combine is only part of the process and in Campbell’s case his performance was not a big surprise. In Campbell’s case you have to remember the hype is about potential more than production. He has shown to be a good pass protector but with just 17 starts he needs to improve his awareness, technique and consistency. In any case, I see Campbell as a surefire first rounder and likely top 20 selection even if the Raiders pass because of his upside and the number of team’s with left tackle needs.
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I’m not sure if there are any plug and play O linemen in this draft.
They all seem to need polish and work and thats to be expected. Just not sure if Oakland can snag an instant O line contributor and have him play immediately.
Bulaga seems to have the most complete game and better technique than the lot.
Trent Williams seems to be a good prospect at RT for us meaning All will take a back up punter with the 8th overall.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:11 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Golden Tate … 4.3.
Uh-oh!
Mayock calls him the best RAC receiver in the draft, will go get the football, and really strong hands.
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Already got Higgins.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Mayock calls him the best RAC receiver in the draft, will go get the football, and really strong hands.
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Already got Higgins.
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What part of the above applies to Higgins? Nick Miller is about to take Higgins spot.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:31 am
This is the only blog on the internet where someone can get credibility as a Vegas insider by just copying and pasting odds from a Vegas line he has open in another tab.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Be sure and check out East Bay Sick a next Saturday in Alameda, CA. KoolKell’s hood.
These guys are always a killer show and of course nothing but ladies as far as the eye can see.
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February 28th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Let’s hear some early predictions. I’m going with 4-12. And don’t say it’s too early, because you know if you thought the team could win 10 games, you’d say so.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Vegas
JR Smith couldn’t miss from behind the arc the other night against the Warriors. The Nuggets loook for real!
The W’s had a decent showing again last night, a nice come from behind victory with 2 of their best players riding the pine in their street clothes.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Dogg, listening to East Bay Sick in another tab. Do they get good turnouts at their shows? Their music isn’t that great. Hyphy beats that are kind of played out, and I’m not exactly impressed with the lyrics.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:40 am
11-5!
February 28th, 2010 at 9:42 am
11 wins? With our line? With Russell under center?
February 28th, 2010 at 9:46 am
In Eastbaysick’s myspace, in their friend comments, there’s a spice 1 video. Spice 1 has a new album and he’s still trying to do the same gangsta rap he did 20 years ago. how sad.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Madden
Those videos are pretty low budget and not indicative of how good these cats are. I recommend coming to the show and seeing for yourself. You might just have a good time
They have some new material that is the best stuff they have done to date. They just wrapped up the Fresh Coast Non Perishables Volume 2 with Tony Madness, Dirtbag Dan, AP9 and Killa Tay among others. These dudes are about to blow up.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Madden
they do get a decent turn out, mostly women. They filled the Pine Street Grill in Livermore fo all places.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:53 am
“of all places” NOT “fo all places”
fo sho
February 28th, 2010 at 9:55 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 9:42 am
11 wins? With our line? With Russell under center?
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I expect to see at least 2 new starters on the Oline. Walker at RG, and someone other than Green at RT.
I also expect a really good player at 8, and Al to spend some dough on a FA.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:59 am
What 2 o linemen? Do you have names, per chance? I want to know who these two monsters are that are going to pick up the slack for the other 3 girls on that line, and give Russell the 20 seconds per down he’ll need to find someone open.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:00 am
GOD forbid Chaz get hurt again this year.
Murphy
DHB
JLH
Nick Miller
Todd Watkins
February 28th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Does anyone else think Snooki looks Mexican? I keep saying that on other blogs and all of these racist Italians just throw a fit.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Eisen, Mayock and company just went on record with Campbell to the Raiders at 8, lol!
Well there’s one of the RMR.
Bruce Campbell at RT, and Langston Walker at RG.
Wouldn’t surprise me to see us go get Mawae either.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:03 am
JHill, are you ever going to name these two offensive linemen who are going to carry the weight for our entire line and give our QB the 20 seconds he’ll need in our vertical offense?
February 28th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Bruce Campbell and Langston Walker? I’m being serious, JHill.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:05 am
I’m being serious, JHill.
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LOL!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Obviously, JHill, you know we’re not going to win 11, and that’s why you didn’t take the question seriously. Campbell and Langston. lol.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:07 am
My god you guys have to see how pissed these Italians are getting on this other blog I have open. All I did was say that Snooki looks Mexican. Do Italians really hate Mexicans that much?
February 28th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Snookie isn’t even Italian anyways.
Nice of MTV to bring non-Italians in to furthur stereotype actual Italians.
Could they get away with that with any other race?
February 28th, 2010 at 10:35 am
What would happen if MTV put on a show of American Africans in a home together at some college, only they brought in a couple of just black guys from Philly who pretended to be African, and played up all the stereotypes?
That’s what Jersey Shore was for Italians.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Say Real MaddenRaider, why don’t you tell us what is GOOD about the Raiders and what they have that is positive?
February 28th, 2010 at 10:39 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:07 am
My god you guys have to see how pissed these Italians are getting on this other blog I have open. All I did was say that Snooki looks Mexican. Do Italians really hate Mexicans that much?
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Why do you ALWAYS bring up race in everthing? And BTW, you watch waaaaaaay too much TV and spend the rest of your time on the internet. Shut the screens down dude. Go take a walk. Go to a museum. Shut down the screens. It might make you a lot less crazy.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Priesttj,
I don’t think Gerard Warren would be a starter on any other NFL team.
You criticized my opinion that guys like Jerry Porter, Tyler Brayton, Langston Walker and Justin Fargas are not starters. I stand by all that. Just because Jacksonville was equally as stupid doesn’t invalidate anything. By the way, you forgot to add Ron Curry and Terdell Sands. I did’t think those two were starting caliber either.
I go to the blog to discuss Raider football and discuss its shortcomings. I don’t know why you bother. The sun is always shining with you. THe team is always perfect. What’t to discuss?
and yes…BJ Raji would have been an infinitely better draft pick than Darius Heyward-Bey!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:45 am
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 9:15 am
What part of the above applies to Higgins? Nick Miller is about to take Higgins spot.
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One can only hope.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:45 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Eisen, Mayock and company just went on record with Campbell to the Raiders at 8, lol!
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I hope they’re wrong on that one. Campbell’s got great numbers but I just see him as lacking the balance and the low center of gravity to get the job done. I much prefer Williams if the Raiders go OT.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:46 am
vegas are u serious? they have black stereotypes running all over tv and big screen movies for years. u ever heard of minstrel shows? i have no clue why people act like they dont see black stereotypes being thrown around all the time. get a clue.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:48 am
vegas raider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:35 am
What would happen if MTV put on a show of American Africans in a home together at some college, only they brought in a couple of just black guys from Philly who pretended to be African, and played up all the stereotypes?
That’s what Jersey Shore was for Italians.
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VR,
Has there ever been a shortage of t.v shows, books, movies, songs, commentators that disparage African Americans?
February 28th, 2010 at 10:52 am
armond Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:46 am
vegas are u serious? they have black stereotypes running all over tv and big screen movies for years.
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Yeah, but they ARE black.
Snookie ain’t Italian, neither was one other person on there.
That was my point. Being Italian, if they are going to make fun of Italians, at LEAST BE Italian.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:52 am
i really dont believe we are taking campbell with all of the other guys better than him.when does al reach when it comes to olineman? i also dont believe he is willing to give up on mario who is a young developing player himself.we are better off fixing the right side of that line and c before LT. we also BETTER feature dmc in the offense now. he touches the ball an average of 7 12 times a game and u wonder why his numbers arent better. we have had the worst oc/playcaller ive ever seen. that damn cable is a bafoon but claims he was at times exceptional. then wants jr to take responsibility, haha!!!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:55 am
I would think we would take Brian Bulaga before we would take Bruce Campbell, even with the Iowa connection. Bulaga is a very good athlete, and plays with a mean streak just like Rob Gallery. Something we need around here.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:55 am
armond Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:46 am
vegas are u serious? they have black stereotypes running all over tv and big screen movies for years. u ever heard of minstrel shows? i have no clue why people act like they dont see black stereotypes being thrown around all the time. get a clue.
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When African Americans complain its called being “PC” or they can’t take a joke.
I am not a fan of racial/ethnic jokes of any type whether they be against Eastern Eurpoeans, blacks, French, hispanics or any one else. I don’t think one should glibbly toss jokes about ones heritage.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:56 am
I’ve been asking that question all along Armond!
I’m waiting on ONE example of Al using HWS and applying that to the Oline.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:59 am
yeah vegas my point is the whole stereotyping blacks is pointless. like snb said there has never been a shortage of that regardless of who is stereotyping. that show was stupid from the few snippets i saw and italians should be upset. shouldnt they also be upset with shows like the sopranos that alot of yall enjoyed watching? they cool when it comes to gangsta sh!t but when its blacks doing that well then thats just them niggras. nobody ever talks about that. also why does everyone wanna use black folks when they wanna make a point of racism but get mad we bring it up for ourselves? u have latinos and asians that face racism but we gotta get brought up.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:59 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:48 am
1 Rams – Bradford
2 Lions – Okung
3 Bucs – Suh
4 Redskins – Davis
5 Chiefs – Claussen
6 Seahawks – Berry
7 Browns – Haden
8 Raiders – McCoy
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With one of the top DTs and both DEs on the board at 8, not to mention Dez Bryant, we are NOT taking Campbell. Okung or Davis drop? Maybe we grab one of them.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:01 am
armond,
Al does reach every now and then for an O lineman. But they aren’t graded out just for their 40 times. He took Gallery at 2, but he was slotted to go there anyway.
Madden and Gruden would fight with Al to take a O lineman, but even Al knows you have to draft some occasionally. I think Cable is trying to get him to grab one every chance he gets.
But then again, maybe Cable thinks get can get the current cast of misfits to be productive.
If they do go that direction, my vote is for Trent Williams.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:01 am
You guys give Vegas a break.
It all stems from the Russell love over Grads. Once/if we resign his boy, then he won’t be bitter any longer.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:04 am
jhill its become fashionable to say that cuz they dont really pay attention to our players.its al davis so that should be enuff. priest pointed out how mayock ripped anthony davis for running a slow 40 but talks about al davis obsessing over that. m faulk mentioned this morning how he ran track growing and so did alot of guys playing sports. i ran a little bit as well as guys i grew up with. derrick gardner who played at cal and with falcons went to jr high and high school with me and ran some track. since when didnt athletes play more than 1 sport? thats wht they are ATHLETES!!!!!!!!
February 28th, 2010 at 11:05 am
My greatest concern is Bruce going to Denver.
If the Raiders will non-exclusive Seymour, give both kickers obscene contracts and slap tenders on clowns like Ricky Brown, I have confidence something with Bruce will be worked out.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:06 am
jhill i aint givin nobody a break. i see alot bulsh!t written in here all the time and im sick of it. u know i never get into all that political crap but somebody gotta keep it real for us here and there.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:06 am
With the coach identifying Oline, Dline, and the return game as the areas he is looking to upgrade, you have to keep that in mind for the #8 pick.
If Okung and Davis are off the board, you have to look at DT and DE. If Suh and McCoy are off the board, you HAVE to look at DE.
Okung, Davis, Suh, McCoy, Morgan, Pierre Paul ….
One of those guy will be there at 8.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:08 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:56 am
I’ve been asking that question all along Armond!
I’m waiting on ONE example of Al using HWS and applying that to the Oline.
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HWS doesn’t apply to O-linemen. I don’t think Al’s theory applies to them. I don’t think he undertands blocking as well as the other aspects of the game. I can’t think of any common characteristic of Raider O-linemen over the years. Except having a quality center.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:08 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Vegas,
What’s holding up things with Bruce? Getting close to the tender deadline, right?
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February 28th, 2010 at 11:08 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:48 am
1 Rams – Bradford
2 Lions – Okung
3 Bucs – Suh
4 Redskins – Davis
5 Chiefs – Claussen
6 Seahawks – Berry
7 Browns – Haden
8 Raiders – McCoy
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Here’s how I see it:
1 Rams- Bradford
2 Lions- Berry
3 Bucs- Suh
4 Redskins- Okung
5 Chiefs- Haden
6 Seahawks- Claussen
7 Browns- McCoy
8 Raiders- Campbell
February 28th, 2010 at 11:11 am
The Browns are NOT taking at DT. McCoy is not a 3-4 NT.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:12 am
vegas raider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:08 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:48 am
1 Rams – Bradford
2 Lions – Okung
3 Bucs – Suh
4 Redskins – Davis
5 Chiefs – Claussen
6 Seahawks – Berry
7 Browns – Haden
8 Raiders – McCoy
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Here’s how I see it:
1 Rams- Bradford
2 Lions- Berry
3 Bucs- Suh
4 Redskins- Okung
5 Chiefs- Haden
6 Seahawks- Claussen
7 Browns- McCoy
8 Raiders- Campbell
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Agree with Bradford, but I can’t see McCoy falling that far.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:13 am
I’ll give you an example of HWS for Olineman: Mario Henderson. Mario was a text book, looks good getting off the bus kind of player. Turns out, he was a decent player.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:13 am
northernd gallery wasnt a reach. he graded out well athletically but he was considered the top ot in the draft. nobody had a problem with us taking him or his short arms. that short arms sh!t is also an excuse. u can either play or u cant. guys get around physical limitations all the time if they are good enuff. nobody is perfect.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Well cross Vincent Jackson and Merriman off the list of non tendered guys.
I’m sure Bruce’s announcement is coming real soon.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Bucs drafted a QB last year, they slapped a tag on their LT, so Suh or McCoy are the only options.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Armond says,
“that short arms sh!t is also an excuse. u can either play or u cant. guys get around physical limitations all the time if they are good enuff. nobody is perfect.”
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Spot on!
February 28th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Mario was a 3rd rd pick.
Talking #8 in the draft precedent.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:16 am
Rob Gallery was widely accepted as the best player available AT ANY POSITION, in the 04 draft
February 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:08 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Vegas,
What’s holding up things with Bruce? Getting close to the tender deadline, right?
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If they were smart, they would assess exactly where Jamarcus is at on March 4th, and that helps determine what to do with Bruce the next day.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am
2 Lions- Berry
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How can Detroit pass on a guy like Okung? Who’s blocking for Stafford?
February 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am
JHill,
I don’t think Bruce is a lock for anything. Davis isn’t looking to make the kid the starter or overpay him based on 2 decent games.
QBs put in a game or two all the time.
Also remember, Hue Jackson is doing the QB evaluation (or one would like to think he is) and perhaps Hue is seeing the same things that Cleveland, St. Louis and Tampa saw.
Just speculating
February 28th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Vegas,
So if Bruce is not tendered, will you accept that Russell is on track? They do have a spy rolling with him full time now you know.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:19 am
armond,
For what a second overall pick gets paid, they had better be close to perfect.
I agree that Al doesn’t reach for HWS guys on the O-line. Blocking is not about that.
If he were to reach, then Campbell is the guy, he is a physical freak. But hopefully he will listen to what the scouts say. They should have him rated lower than what the numbers say he is.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Toby Gerhardt just put up a 4.5 …
So much for him dropping to the 3rd rd.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:20 am
gerhardt just ran a 4.53 proving that he could run as fast as i thought. dude is an all american cf which proves how good of an athlete he is. i would love to have this guy in the 3rd but he might go in the 2nd. andy reid had a huge smile on his face after that rrun and they need a workhorse back in the worst way.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:22 am
Gerhardt only comes aboard if Bush is traded or Fargas released.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:23 am
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am
2 Lions- Berry
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How can Detroit pass on a guy like Okung? Who’s blocking for Stafford?
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The took Cherilus in the lst round in 08 and no one can seem to beat out Jeff Backus on the left side, altho that will change. Detroit is ripe to take a DT early in this draft tho.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:24 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Toby Gerhardt just put up a 4.5 …
So much for him dropping to the 3rd rd.
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He’ll only play in Oakland on the visiting team.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:23 am
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am
2 Lions- Berry
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How can Detroit pass on a guy like Okung? Who’s blocking for Stafford?
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The took Cherilus in the lst round in 08 and no one can seem to beat out Jeff Backus on the left side, altho that will change. Detroit is ripe to take a DT early in this draft tho.
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For some reason they love Backus in Detroit. He must have pictures of someone.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Backus has started every game since he came in the league. Gotta like that.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:27 am
From 1998 to 2005 the Raiders drafted DBs with their 1st round pick 5 of 8 years.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am
The took Cherilus in the lst round in 08 and no one can seem to beat out Jeff Backus on the left side,
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Gotcha.
Then that would drop Okung or Davis to us.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:17 am
2 Lions- Berry
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How can Detroit pass on a guy like Okung? Who’s blocking for Stafford?
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They are the Lions!!
Didn’t Brady Quinn throw for 300+ yards and a bunch of TD’s against them last year? They need secondary help, and that’s probably why there is talk of them willing to trade down.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:30 am
CJ Spiller runs a 4.28
Too bad we drafted McFadden. Have to hope DMAC will work out……..
February 28th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Okung will be gone before the Raiders get to pick.
The choices should be Bulaga, Campbell or Williams at tackle. Or McLain at MLB. I would surprised if their were any other options at this point.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:33 am
this damn draft is gonna be real good. there are some athletic guys with ability in this drata nd we havent seen the defense yet.we have a decent amount of picks and hopefully we ca swing a few more. with the right choices we cam really get on track in a hurry.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:33 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am
The took Cherilus in the lst round in 08 and no one can seem to beat out Jeff Backus on the left side,
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Gotcha.
Then that would drop Okung or Davis to us.
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Bruce Campbell….your setting yourself up JHill. Maybe I am still seeing red from last year. But I thought there was no way in h*ll that the Raiders would draft D-HB. But measurables ruled that day in a big way…..
I see it happening again.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Here’s a pretty good analysis of the Raiders and their struggles:
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/28/state-of-the-raiders-what-the-2009-film-revealed/
Pretty much spot on in my opinion. Writer says JaMarcus is clearly Problem No. 1 while Chris Johnson, in addition to Nnamdi, gets some much-deserved respect. Kirk takes the fall for the Run D woes.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:35 am
Hope the Raiders find need of another TE. I would love to see them draft Micheal Hoomanawanui.
He wouldn’t have room for the number on the back of his jersey.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:37 am
check out Blounte
February 28th, 2010 at 11:37 am
I think Brandon Myers is the teams 2nd TE
February 28th, 2010 at 11:38 am
northerd u think campbell should even be an option at 8? if he is that much of a reach go to another position if u dont like the other ots.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:38 am
4.69. He is going to drop to the 4th.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:38 am
NorthernD Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:24 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Toby Gerhardt just put up a 4.5 …
So much for him dropping to the 3rd rd.
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He’ll only play in Oakland on the visiting team.
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I wouldn’t be shocked at all if Gerhardt is a late 1st-round pick. I’m afraid the Chargers will snag him and he’ll kick our azz for the next decade. The Patriots are another team I could see scooping him up. The kid is the real deal. I know we have bigger needs but I wouldn’t mind drafting him in Round 2 if he’s still there.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:39 am
Go Team USA!, in the Gold medal hockey game vs. Canada…
USA! USA! USA!
(no offense to any of our Canadian brethren ooot there.)
February 28th, 2010 at 11:39 am
best just ran a 4.33 i would love to see a backfield toby and best on my madden 11 this year. im making my own team fukk the raiders!!!!
February 28th, 2010 at 11:40 am
But I thought there was no way in h*ll that the Raiders would draft D-HB. But measurables ruled that day in a big way…..
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The minute DHB ran that time last year, I said I’d take him over Crabtree, Maclin, and the others. Aside from the hands issue (I know, I know), the pick made perfect sense. We needed a WR, and we already had a possesion guy in Chaz, and the slot guy in JLH. You can KINDA see where Al was going with that.
But Campbell’s HWS doesn’t come into play unless it comes down to the 3rd or 4th guy at the position. I’d bet he reaches for Iupati over Campbell, but I don’t think he’ll pass up guys like McCoy, Davis, Morgan, or Pierr Paul. Even McClain.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:41 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:33 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:28 am
The took Cherilus in the lst round in 08 and no one can seem to beat out Jeff Backus on the left side,
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Gotcha.
Then that would drop Okung or Davis to us.
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Bruce Campbell….your setting yourself up JHill. Maybe I am still seeing red from last year. But I thought there was no way in h*ll that the Raiders would draft D-HB. But measurables ruled that day in a big way…..
I see it happening again.
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Armond made a point that Al doesn’t select O-linemen based on HWS. That’s a good point. The Raiders have passed on some monsters in the draft. Some guys who were huge and fast. I don’t think measurables apply as much to the blockers as they do to other positions. Perhaps nastiness is a more common trait to his picks than HWS.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:43 am
Chris,
His very next point talks about how the coaching called for too many deep routes and exposed the Oline. Just amazing how that is not factored in when talking about Russell by some of you.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:44 am
The last thing I want to see is the Chargers with Gerhardt.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:44 am
seymour should play majority snaps inside and get a speed rusher to take advantage of all those double and triple teams. a guy i ilke is graham from michigan. he plays the run well can finish the play and has a huge motor. a 3 down lineman who can disrupt plays from the edge is a huge need.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:46 am
Gerhardt to the Chargers makes a lotta sense.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Like Natrone Means.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Jhill,
I appreciate you sticking your neck out there on the DHB pick, but that pick made no sense at the time or now. Sure, he’s great on the track, but his game speed was not at all impressive and not only does he drop a ton of passes, but his unsure hands slow him down because he has such a hard time securing anything thrown to him.
Who knows. DHB still has plenty of time to prove himself. But he needs dramatic, dramatic improvement in his football skills. There’s a chance he becomes good or even great, but I think it’s very slim.
Should’ve built up the trenches last year. Could’ve had a real shot at the best player in this year’s draft — Dez Bryant. Mark my words: Dez Bryant is going to be the best WR to come out of college since Andre Johnson.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
armond Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:44 am
seymour should play majority snaps inside and get a speed rusher to take advantage of all those double and triple teams.
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Which is why I say don’t discount Morgan or Pierr Paul at 8. Better option than the #4 OT on the board.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
vegas raider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:44 am
The last thing I want to see is the Chargers with Gerhardt.
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Our biggest issues are internal right now. What some other team does is not the big issue to the Raiders demise.
Until the Raiders figure out the basics of blocking, tackling, throwing and catching…it matters little what the opponent does
February 28th, 2010 at 11:50 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:40 am
But I thought there was no way in h*ll that the Raiders would draft D-HB. But measurables ruled that day in a big way…..
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The minute DHB ran that time last year, I said I’d take him over Crabtree, Maclin, and the others. Aside from the hands issue (I know, I know), the pick made perfect sense. We needed a WR, and we already had a possesion guy in Chaz, and the slot guy in JLH. You can KINDA see where Al was going with that.
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That is exactly right. And WHO is the 6′2″, 220, 4.25 major conference receiver in this draft? That’s right. There isn’t one. Crabtree is a 6′, 210, possession guy with excellent hands. Chaz is a 6′4″ 225 lb guy who is much faster, playing our possession spot. Didn’t need another possession guy.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Don’t get me wrong, Chris …
I didn’t want a WR at 8. Just saying that IF we took a WR, I thought 6′2 215 and that 40 times sounded good to me. He was already a 1st rd prospect and I NEVER imagined the hands being as bad as they were. My thinking was how could a WR who couldn’t catch be rated as a 1st or 2nd rd pick?
I wanted Mack until we traded for Satele, then it was Maulauga for me.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:51 am
the eagles may take toby but the chargers will definately look at him.it means we better get some damn physical lbs to tackle him cuaz he aint getting past san diego after the 2nd rnd if we dont get him first.i just wonder what big fa will big al go after. we need to get some fbs in here. if reece can show anything as a blocker he has a shot to lock up 1 of 2 spots.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:55 am
SD already has Hester …
February 28th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Jhill,
Should’ve built up the trenches last year. Could’ve had a real shot at the best player in this year’s draft — Dez Bryant. Mark my words: Dez Bryant is going to be the best WR to come out of college since Andre Johnson.
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Yes, should have grabbed an O-Lineman or Raji. These bad picks hits us twice. Now we have to pass up good running backs, receivers, QBs and others when the Raiders make these bad decisions. And all the while, critical positions continue to go ignored
February 28th, 2010 at 11:59 am
I also wanted Orakpo. Theme being an impact player for the front 7 regardless of position. With Seymour on deck, I think we need some speed along the Dline.
I really want to see the LBs run. If McClain or Spike light it up, then maybe they sneak up. But Morgan or Pierre really have my interest peaked.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
O Mock Draft 7.5:
1- OT Williams , Davis, or Campbell
2- ILB Spikes
3- DT Cam Thomas
3- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
4- DE Austen Lane
5- OG: M Johnson, JJ, or Ciron Black
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Demarcus Granger
I like Suh & McCoy a lot, but we have Seymour who they remind me of. We need an OT to compete with Mario, and a RT!
Suh, McCoy, Okung, Williams, Davis, Campbell, McClain, or Haden!!
February 28th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
now pierre paul would be a reach imo. brandon graham is a better player than he is and i feel alot of people are sleeping on him right now. i think he will shoot up the draft boards in a few weeks when people really look at how well rounded his game is. holliday might be a good choice in the mid rounds cuz jlh plays scared and nmiller hasnt proven anything yet. it would help if we could sign atleast one really good olineman in fa in the next few weeks. maybe we can get yanda or somebody on that right side.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:01 pm
The Raiders need to find a good QB more than anything. Who have we had since Gannon: Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Josh McCown, Daunte Culpepper and JaMarcus. Collins was mediocre but Norv was uninspiring as HC to say the least. The rest of those guys pretty much doomed this team over the last 8 seasons.
Maybe Gradkowski can be that guy. Mike Vick, Jeff Garcia and Drew Brees all come to mind as guys Gradkowski’s height or smaller who have had success in this league.
As far as the draft, one guy I could see the Raiders snagging who looks like a damn interesting prospect is QB John Skelton from Fordham. Kid is 6-5, 250 a cannon for an arm and quite mobile for his size. He might have more upside than any QB prospect in this draft. The main knock is the level of competition he face in college. But the same was said of Joe Flacco and he went Round 1. Skelton could be had with one of our 3rd-round picks or later.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Here’s the problem with DHB. The kid can’t catch the freekn ball! If DHB was a 3rd or 4th round pick, then that’s fine. But a 1st round guy is expected to get on the field and contribute. Not be a minor leaguer
This guy is still a raw rookie going into his 2nd year….just like the QB is still as raw as a 4th round rookie going into his 4th year.
WHere the h*ll is our Chris Johnson type contributor. Team full of middling talent
February 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
a little late but Chris thanks for that article-spot on!!!
February 28th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Yeah, I suggested a 3rd pick on Skelton earlier this mng.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
Chaz, DHB, Murphy, Ford, and JLH should be the fastest WR group in the NFL. Catching us not required!! lol
February 28th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Chris in NY,
The QBs JUST before Gannon weren’t all that inspiring either
February 28th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Jhill,
I appreciate you sticking your neck out there on the DHB pick, but that pick made no sense at the time or now. Sure, he’s great on the track, but his game speed was not at all impressive and not only does he drop a ton of passes, but his unsure hands slow him down because he has such a hard time securing anything thrown to him.
Who knows. DHB still has plenty of time to prove himself. But he needs dramatic, dramatic improvement in his football skills. There’s a chance he becomes good or even great, but I think it’s very slim.
Should’ve built up the trenches last year. Could’ve had a real shot at the best player in this year’s draft — Dez Bryant. Mark my words: Dez Bryant is going to be the best WR to come out of college since Andre Johnson.
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Dez Bryant is not a fast guy. Not at the pro level, and he is not a very big guy either. Calvin Johnson he isn’t. Now, maybe with his “year off”, he has spent it with Deon Sanders improving his speed. We’ll find out shortly.
With regards to DHB, when I saw Chaz Shielens take the field the lst few times, I thought, “there is NO WAY, this guy can play in the league. He is slow, he doesn’t break well, this guy has NO FUTURE.” But what it is, is these guys are out there thinking. They’re not playing. They are counting their steps, thinking about their foot plants, thinking about where on the numbers they supposed to be, basically everything OTHER than playing football. Late in his lst year, Shilens could go out and play, he looked real good.
Lastly, this is a deeper draft in Oline prospects than last year, and there is no top speed burner receiver so you can see what we were thinking. Other than Center, the tackle and guard prospects this year is much deeper than last.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Chris in NY,
Al has always like to take veteran QB’s from other teams. Skelton seems to be a big, strong armed Raiders QB though.
Definitely a late round possibility.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Jhill,
I wanted Maualuga as well. Ideally, I was hoping we traded back and got Maualuga later in the 1st and Phil Loadholt in the 2nd. Loadholt started at RT from Week 1 on for the Vikings. Maualuga was a real nice player with Cincy and a big reason their D was much better this year. Although, in retrospect, I do think Cushing and Matthews are probably a little better of that awesome USC LB corps.
But how nice would it be now if we had Maualuga at MLB, Kirk at SLB. The RT spot locked up for years to come. And the freedom to get Dez Bryant in this year’s draft.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Here’s the problem with DHB. The kid can’t catch the freekn ball!
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What’s wrong with that?
Oh yeah, that’s his job.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
I think its 60/40 Gradkowski is even tendered
February 28th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
I think its 60/40 Gradkowski is even tendered
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100% he gets a contract. They’re only squabbling about a one or two year deal, or a couple hundred thou…
February 28th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Isn’t all of this kinda moot until Taylor Mays does his workout thus, causing Al to soil himself???..lol..
February 28th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
Later gents, hockey time…
February 28th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Seymour,
Dez Bryant is about 6-3, 225. That’s T.O. or Andre Johnson size. That’s plenty big enough. There are very few WRs Calvin Johnson’s size that are any good.
And Dez Bryant was a big-play WR and dynamic punt returner at OK State. I’d be shocked if he doesn’t run at least a 4.4.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Here’s the problem with DHB. The kid can’t catch the freekn ball! If DHB was a 3rd or 4th round pick, then that’s fine. But a 1st round guy is expected to get on the field and contribute. Not be a minor leaguer
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You look at Calvin Johnson who you all love and he hasn’t broken the bank his lst three years in the league. His numbers are pretty pedestrian, and his lst year he had Kitna who was a pro bowl player tossing him the rock. It takes a little bit of time for guys to develop. It is VERY unusual for guys like Andre Johnson to come in their lst year and catch 70 balls. For each Andre Johnson, there are 30 DHB’s.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Oh yeah, and Bryant can catch. Which is a nice luxury to have in a WR
February 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Seymour,
Dez Bryant is about 6-3, 225. That’s T.O. or Andre Johnson size.
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No he isn’t. That might be his “PR” height and weight, but I have him about 6′1″, 210. The same size as Craptree, and Bryant’s last forty was 4.54. So, unless he has put on a lot of size and speed this year he has laid out, and he could have, he is a Craptree type of receiver, which is still a very very good player. Just not either what we want or what we are looking for. Unless you want to throw Shilens under the bus.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
DHB, like Russell and DMAC wii be just fine. HOF’rs? Nah, but this team can win with them.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Calvin Johnson –
48 Rec 756 yds 4 TDs – DHB 9 Rec 124 yds 1 TD
78 Rec 1331 yds 12 TDs
67 Rec 984 yds 5 TDs
And Calvin’s teams have been the worst in the league.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Top 10 picks are supposed to produce unless they are QBs or are injured.
Our top 10 picks have not produced. They have all behaved like developmental 3rd round picks. That’s been a big problem around here
February 28th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
If the Raiders tender Bruce, I think there is a slight chance a team will sign him to a offer sheet.
The prospect of a 2011 lockout wil make teams more indifferent to losing 2011 draft picks.
Not likely, but a chance that a Denver, Seattle, Carolina maybe give him a look.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Part of the problem has been lousy, lousy, lousy, lousy coaching.
Draft all these elite players and give them shoddy inconsistent coaching.
Hopefully Hue Jackson fixes all of this. Hopefully he makes most of the decisions for the offense, including the starting lineup.
Cable should do nothing but focus on the O-Line and being a head coach
February 28th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
VR,
We will see about Bruce. Again, my personal opinion is that most people see this guy as just a guy. A guy who played well in 2 games. That’s it.
He gave Tampa a couple of good games too. He’s just a guy on the fringe fighting to get on and stay on a roster.
The only thing giving Gradkowski support is that JaDavis has been so awful. Not because he (Gradkowski) has been so good. Big difference.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Exactly SnB
Gradkowski is benefiting from Russell’s struggles, not his stellar play.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
Tender Garbagekowski!?! No Way!!
Give a him a 1 year contract to compete and be a backup if JR improves: Yes!
No Tender!! 1 year 1.25 – 1.5 mil.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
I really don’t think it’s about the young guys like Russell, DMAC, and DHB, or the coaching.
I think guys like Cornell Green, Kwame Harris, Erik Pears, Cooper Carlisle, Satele, Morrison, and Routt have A LOT more to do with our record.
I guarantee you if we upgrade RG, C, RT, MLB, and Nickle corner, we will a lot more games with Russell, DHB, and DMAC.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Tender TH over GarbageKowski!
February 28th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
JHill,
JaDavis was given two head coaches with differing philosophies, two or three position coaches….and an Owner that interjects often.
Now, JaDavis hasn’t helped himself with his laziness and indifference…but the coaching hasn’t been that good.
I agree with the lines. Just awful. Reflects the fact that line play has not been a priority in Oakland.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
I really don’t think it’s about the young guys like Russell, DMAC, and DHB, or the coaching.
I think guys like Cornell Green, Kwame Harris, Erik Pears, Cooper Carlisle, Satele, Morrison, and Routt have A LOT more to do with our record.
I guarantee you if we upgrade RG, C, RT, MLB, and Nickle corner, we will a lot more games with Russell, DHB, and DMAC.
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Afternoon Fellas…Yep
The O line, is by far the weakest position group on this team.
Fix this 1st. Then lets see what the high #1’s can do.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
JHill,
Then Tom Cable’s playcalling all but finished off the development of all three recent high draft picks.
Just pathetic. The MNF game where he abandoned the running game….his insistence on “letting er rip” from the 10 yard line….ignoring the running game in camp.
All hurt this team…plus his misuse of Bush and DMAC.
But, Al Davis saw this as well and brought in Hue Jackson
February 28th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
Greetings Nation!
Been very busy with work but I been checking in often just to read you guys go back and forth. Seems like the days I wanted to post yall were thick on the politics.
Anyway, I think our second 3rd round pick gets this done: http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/The_Trenches/entry/view/57526/nfc-trenches-talk-eagles-reportedly-to-pay-then-trade-vick
February 28th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
SnB, Hackett and Tollner are respected in coaching circles.
JaMarcus needs to step up HIS commitment, and the Raiders need to provide a Quality O line.
DHB with hard work, and DMac with health, have the capability to get the Job done.
But All three need an O line.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
The guys wins 2 games then gets hurt, and you are ready to tender him, franchise him, and some are calling him the next Gannon and want to give him multi tear deal.
Facts:
-won 2 games and lost 1.
-he has happy feet like Garcia. He does too much running around even when he doesn’t need to.
- NOODLE ARM
- Couldnt stay healthy for an entire season.
- he was a 6th RD pick who got released from 2 diff teams that need QB.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Cable: “We’ll see” about Javon Walker
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 28, 2010 3:40 PM ET
Yes, Javon Walker is still on the Raiders. No, it doesn’t make any sense to carry an expensive player that didn’t have a single catch last season.
I asked Tom Cable Sunday why Walker couldn’t couldn’t get on the field. Cable spoke about the emergence of Oakland’s young players at wide receiver.
“Will [Walker] be there next year? We’ll see,” Cable said.
Logic says Walker will finally get dumped, which will be at least a year too late. Cable’s words appeared to support that notion, we’ve given up applying logic to Oakland’s personnel decisions.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
Multi year deal*
I know JR regressed from last season, but that’s not an excuse to crown a guy like Garbagekowski!
2-1!!!
You people….
February 28th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Two guys I do not want us to draft:
Bruce Campbell & Jason Pierre-Paul.
All the Campbell reels I saw (youtube) had him looking like Kwame Harris. He was getting beat left and right and getting backed into the QB. Could be why DHB had low numbers since their QB has no time to throw. Not that DHB would catch it but you know what I mean.
Saw an interview with Pierre-Paul and he seems less motivated that Russell. Dude started playing football late in high-school and had to be talked into it. Then a coach he likes is gone and he quits the team. He then had to be talked into playing again.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Walker, Warren, TK, and Fargas should be cut this year!
Keep TK if he takes a huge pay cut.
February 28th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Mike Mayock…a guy who called the middling performances turned in by JaDavis, DMAC and DHB said that Campbell’s tape looked “average”
Then there was consensus that the Raiders might get him.
Oh well….who are we getting in the 2nd round
February 28th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
504, Thanks for the input.
If I get to make the personell decisions, I want guys that live and breath the game.
Basicly very talented football players that are work- aholichs.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Here’s some down South scoop on JaMarcus. My source got this from Russell mom.
“JaMarcus knows he must improve now or this is his last year in Oakland. He really likes Hue Jackson and is excited to work with him this year. He feels that he’s gotta show improvement in the first 4 games or he’s getting yanked. He also needs to stop drinking. Dude goes out to dinner in public and would eat steaks, chops, etc. with a big bottle of grey goose in his left hand. He drinks alot more than any of us know.”
February 28th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
SnB, I respect Mayocks opinion.
If I get to pick an O lineman at #8 I’d take Williams, but would be happy with Davis.
I’m assuming Okung will be gone.
If Campbell is the choice, well at least He DOES have athletisism.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:04 pm
I agree about Jason PP, but I think Campbell will be a solid OT in the NFL.
D Ware, C Johnson, V Davis, and J Kearse helped their stock with a great combine. I wouldn’t call any of those players a Bust!
It’s Different with a guy who is projected as a 2nd RD or 2nd day talent, has a great Combine, and then gets drafted high in the 1st. Campbell was one ranked as 1 of the top 5 OTs in this draft, and projected to be a top 15 pick.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Here’s some down South scoop on JaMarcus. My source got this from Russell mom.
“JaMarcus knows he must improve now or this is his last year in Oakland. He really likes Hue Jackson and is excited to work with him this year. He feels that he’s gotta show improvement in the first 4 games or he’s getting yanked. He also needs to stop drinking. Dude goes out to dinner in public and would eat steaks, chops, etc. with a big bottle of grey goose in his left hand. He drinks alot more than any of us know.”
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504, hard to immagine his mother saying this.
Am I understanding this correctly?
This is a “Quote” from JaMarcus’ mother?
February 28th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
new post
February 28th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Raider O,
I don’t think $1 million is too much to pay for a guy who’s almost certainly going to be our starting QB for the majority if not the entire season.
Who cares where he was drafted? Tom Brady went in the 6th. I believe Gannon went even later.
His arm isn’t in JaMarcus’ league but it’s adequate. Chad Pennington has had an OK career with a weaker arm. Ditto that for Jeff Garcia. Gannon had an average arm. Gradkowski completes more throws downfield than JaMarcus too because Gradkowski knows when to pull the trigger and puts the ball in the vicinity of his receiver.
I’d rather have a QB that moves around “too much” (which I don’t even think is true of Gradkowski) than a statue (Collins, Walter) or a guy with ZERO pocket presence who gets hit with 2 sack/fumbles per game (JaMarcus).
The durability issue is a legitimate concern I suppose. But any player can get injured at any time. Brady sustained a season-ending injury during the first half of the first game in 2008. It’s not like Gradkowski was in and out of the lineup a bunch of times because he kept getting hurt. It was one hit that happened to injure him. And he was talking about getting back out there within a couple of weeks of the injury.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
The pick SHOULD be on solid starters and contributors like OT Anthony Davis or Dez Bryant if they can’t get Suh or McCoy.
But this is the dumb silly old man picking….and the choice will be the classic boom or bust type who is a workout warrior but not a great FOOTBALL player between….Campbell or Pierre-Paul.
Ugh…the old man Al sucks!
February 28th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
My source said this stuff, said the part about the drinking because he is real tight with the males in Russell’s family. His mom said the part about Hue Jackson and getting yanked in 4 games if no improvement and last year in Oak if no improvement.
My source is friend of the family who is a high school classmate of Russell’s mom. He is welcomed at the Russell house in Mobile anytime.
March 1st, 2010 at 9:24 am
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