Cable says he wasn’t worried
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, February 28th, 2010 at 1:07 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Tom Cable was available to media attending the NFL scouting combine, which, unfortunately, did not include any reporters who regularly cover the Raiders.
According to NFL.com Cable said he simply kept coming to work every day _ much as he said he would at the close of the season.
According to Profootball.talk.com, Cable was non-committal about the future of wide receiver Javon Walker.
Matt Maiocco of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat reports on his Twitter account that Cable said quarterback would be an “open competition.”
Maiocco was one of two Northern California representatives at the combine, the Sacramento Bee being the other. Both sent writers beat writers who cover the 49ers.
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February 28th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
First
February 28th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Raider O,
I don’t think $1 million is too much to pay for a guy who’s almost certainly going to be our starting QB for the majority if not the entire season.
Who cares where he was drafted? Tom Brady went in the 6th. I believe Gannon went even later.
His arm isn’t in JaMarcus’ league but it’s adequate. Chad Pennington has had an OK career with a weaker arm. Ditto that for Jeff Garcia. Gannon had an average arm. Gradkowski completes more throws downfield than JaMarcus too because Gradkowski knows when to pull the trigger and puts the ball in the vicinity of his receiver.
I’d rather have a QB that moves around “too much” (which I don’t even think is true of Gradkowski) than a statue (Collins, Walter) or a guy with ZERO pocket presence who gets hit with 2 sack/fumbles per game (JaMarcus).
The durability issue is a legitimate concern I suppose. But any player can get injured at any time. Brady sustained a season-ending injury during the first half of the first game in 2008. It’s not like Gradkowski was in and out of the lineup a bunch of times because he kept getting hurt. It was one hit that happened to injure him. And he was talking about getting back out there within a couple of weeks of the injury.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:12 pm
“Maiocco was one of two Northern California representatives at the combine, the Sacramento Bee being the other.”
Somebody’s bucking for a February trip to sunny Indianapolis.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Matt Maiocco of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat reports on his Twitter account that Cable said quarterback would be an “open competition.”
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Sounds like he has a pretty good idea who the competitors are.
Bruce and Jamarcus, it will be an entertaining preseason.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:15 pm
RaiderLen,
504 Raider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
My source said this stuff, said the part about the drinking because he is real tight with the males in Russell’s family. His mom said the part about Hue Jackson and getting yanked in 4 games if no improvement and last year in Oak if no improvement.
My source is friend of the family who is a high school classmate of Russell’s mom. He is welcomed at the Russell house in Mobile anytime.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Gotta run check you guys later.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Chris,
Last year was Garbagekowski’s 4th year, and he didn’t play well before this year. His best QB rating was 65.9 at his best season in TB.
He played 2 good games in his 4th year in the NFL!!! Big Deal!!
February 28th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Open Competition…
Yes! This is a cattle prod to the ass of JaMarcus.
I hope He rises to the challenge and makes a statement with his performance that will put to rest all of the debate.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
If your goal is to win a few games, Gradkowski is your guy. If your long-term goal is winning championships….you have to hope JaDavis pulls through or get someone else to groom.
Guys like Gradkowski don’t win championships….only exception was Brad Johnson….and that was only because the Jon Gruden knew the Raider playbook and Callahan did nothing to adjust.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
504…Thanks
February 28th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
SnB, I agree. JaMarcus has to get it done, or another QB outside of the current roster will have to be brought in.
I think Losman could be a wild card however.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Hey I’m watching usa vs canada hockey, they called a penalty, and it was against the Raiders!
February 28th, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Brad Johnson played in a lot of playoff games, with I think 3 different teams.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Bruce had a QB rating of 80.6. (games started 4) played 3.
JR’s QB rating in 08 was 77.1 (Games started 15)
February 28th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
How ya doin O
With a better O line, and more experienced WR’s both QB’s ratings improve.
Right?
February 28th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
So,
-GarbageKowski had a QB rating of 80.6 in 3 full games played in his 4th year in the NFL.
-JR had a QB rating if 77.1 in 15 games in his 2nd season in the NFL, and it was considered his rookie season.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
Len,
It helps, but the QBs have to put in work and have talent.
Garbagekowski has no talent, and JR doesn’t have the required Work ethic for that position.
I like the idea of J Campbell if he becomes a FA, but only with a 1 year deal & the Raiders have the right for an extension without the franchise tag.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
We have a hockey game now….2-1!
Anyways….we should all call up Raider headquarters asked to be transferred to Cables voice mail, the old mans voice mail, or herreras vm, and leave messages saying
“Sooooo how are you geniuses gonna screw this years draft up? Please let us know, so we can not even bother tuning in on draft day!” LOL
February 28th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
But Raiders coach Tom Cable insisted Sunday that isn’t his team’s approach, and he even laughed as a reporter questioned him about it.
“How about the best player? Let’s talk that way,” Cable said. “… We need to get better in some areas, and so at this thing (the combine), find who you think the best players are, whether they jump the highest or run the fastest. That shouldn’t make a damn difference. He has to be able to play football good enough for us to become a championship team.”
February 28th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Priesttj,
I don’t think Gerard Warren would be a starter on any other NFL team.
You criticized my opinion that guys like Jerry Porter, Tyler Brayton, Langston Walker and Justin Fargas are not starters. I stand by all that. Just because Jacksonville was equally as stupid doesn’t invalidate anything. By the way, you forgot to add Ron Curry and Terdell Sands. I did’t think those two were starting caliber either.
I go to the blog to discuss Raider football and discuss its shortcomings. I don’t know why you bother. The sun is always shining with you. THe team is always perfect. What’t to discuss?
and yes…BJ Raji would have been an infinitely better draft pick than Darius Heyward-Bey!
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Priesst is an Al Davis lap dog who is a LOSER who accepts LOSING!
PERIOD Priesst.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
So much for Bruce Campbell and Pierr Paul, according to our coach.
So let’s talk about the best player at particular positions.
Suh, McCoy, Okung, Davis, Morgan, McClain, Haden, or Bryant.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
With the 8th pick in the 2010 draft, the Oakland Raiders select WR from Clemson: Jacoby Ford!
LMAO
Al Davis: he is a great player!
February 28th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
What about Pac-Man Jones for NickleBack?
February 28th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Raider O, JaMarcus has talent. Work ethic can be taught/learned with maturity.
J Campbell ehh, ok. But to think the Raiders can sign him for a song, probably wishfull thinking.
Gradkowski, we all know will give maximum effort and work ethic. But as SnB has said, and I agrree, His ability will only take us so far.
If Grads had supperior talent and orginizational structure around Him….Mabey we catch lightning in a bottle.
Much work yet to be done.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Remember last year and Cable’s talk of all the cadillacs?
What ever Tom says, know the opposite is probably true.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:49 pm
I can see why Coach Cable wasnt worried….he’s doing a bang-up job and all the haters will see
Go RAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
February 28th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
C U at OTS
February 28th, 2010 at 1:50 pm
OTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA’S lol
February 28th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Tom Cable was asked about the offensive linemen in last year’s draft when he talked about the Cadillacs. The question Cable was responding to here was the idea that he would draft Jacoby Ford. Now had he went with the Corvette line, then I’d be concerned.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
I’ve said “with the 8th overall pick the Oakland Raiders select out of USC, Safety Taylor Mays” half jokingly and said they may bump Tyvon to CB.
Don’t think they’ll take a DE.
They’ve done well in recent history getting production out of guys they find or draft.
Burgess had a good run.
Chris Clemmons
Trevor Scott
and even rookie Matt Shaughnessy showed some signs of life last year.
Plus, you’ve got Richard Seymour.
1st round DE’s for the most part, have’nt really lit things up for their teams high picks.
We might take Joe Hayden at 8 and actually, if we had, to, I’m ok with him.
Not our typical 6-2, 200 lb track star, but a good football player who would support the run D and make an excellent Nickle who would graduate to take Chris Johnson’s out side slot evenatually.
Who do I want for our 8th?
An O line man.
February 28th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
O’s big Board top 10 Best players:
1- Suh
2- McCoy
3- Berry
4- Okung
5- Haden
6- McClain
7- Davis
8- Williams
9- B Campbell
10- Bulaga (I still don’t like his short arms)
February 28th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Raider Draft SHOULD be:
1. DT Suh
2. OT Okung
3. DT McCoy
4. WR Bryant
5. OT Davis
6. OT Williams
7. DE Graham
8. DE Pierre-Paul
9. OT Campbell
Raider Whacked Draft Board according to the Looney Old Man Al Davis WILL be:
1. OT Campbell
2. DE Pierre-Paul
3. S Mays
4. CB Haden
5. WR Tate
6. DT Suh
7. DT McCoy
8. KR/WR Ford
9. OT Okung
10.OT Davis
LOL! We all should prepare ourselves for the worst come draft day!
February 28th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
So much for Bruce Campbell and Pierr Paul, according to our coach.
So let’s talk about the best player at particular positions.
Suh, McCoy, Okung, Davis, Morgan, McClain, Haden, or Bryant.
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Matters not who we like or who would actually make sense and fill a need as we see it. Davis will do whatever he wants par usu-AL.
Davis makes draft day painful for Raider fans most of the time.
I see Suh and McCoy being GONE but can you imagine a line with Suh / McCoy lined up with Seymour?
February 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Nnamdi21,
O line is the weakest position group on this team.
We need serious upgrades at 3 positions.
The DL and LB’s are a conceren, but we did draft Shaughnesy, signed Dez Bryant as a Rookie FA, and traded for Seymoure.
Nixon and Norris may be commers at LB.
O line, O line, Oline.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
11- Morgan
12- Dez B
13- SPOON
14- Kindle
15- Dunlap
February 28th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Later Gents.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:05 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
But Raiders coach Tom Cable insisted Sunday that isn’t his team’s approach, and he even laughed as a reporter questioned him about it.
“How about the best player? Let’s talk that way,” Cable said. “… We need to get better in some areas, and so at this thing (the combine), find who you think the best players are, whether they jump the highest or run the fastest. That shouldn’t make a damn difference. He has to be able to play football good enough for us to become a championship team.”
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Hey! It sounds like Cable actually realizes how this team needs to draft from here on out??
Noooooo….has Cable and the old man Al finally open their freakin eyes and realize that it’s about drafting GOOD OVERALL FOOTBALL players and NOT the track star types who have no good football instincts??
Have they turned the corner in their thinking?
Nahhh…it’s all talk….Al Davis will take the workout warrior boom or bust type….AGAIN….and screw it up. LOL
February 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Raider Whacked Draft Board according to the Looney Old Man Al Davis WILL be:
1. OT Campbell
2. DE Pierre-Paul
3. S Mays
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What specifically makes you say that?
February 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Raider Draft SHOULD be:
1. DT Suh
2. OT Okung
3. DT McCoy
4. WR Bryant
5. OT Davis
6. OT Williams
7. DE Graham
8. DE Pierre-Paul
9. OT Campbell
Raider Whacked Draft Board according to the Looney Old Man Al Davis WILL be:
1. OT Campbell
2. DE Pierre-Paul
3. S Mays
4. CB Haden
5. WR Tate
6. DT Suh
7. DT McCoy
8. KR/WR Ford
9. OT Okung
10.OT Davis
LOL! We all should prepare ourselves for the worst come draft day!
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Ahh…..I forgot about putting LB McClain on my board.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
If Cable has lasted this long, mabey, just mabey, He has some draft influence on AL.
Having said that, Cables “choice” of O lineman has been suspect.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I wonder why we didn’t take the workout warriors Gholston and Calvin Johnson?
DHB does not equal Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays, lol!
Before DHB was picked, Al’s 40 time guy was a guy like Carlos Francis in rd 4.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Raider Whacked Draft Board according to the Looney Old Man Al Davis WILL be:
1. OT Campbell
2. DE Pierre-Paul
3. S Mays
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What specifically makes you say that?
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I’ll answer that. Measurables.
Jhill, you already knew the answer though.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
We need more Zach Miller, Matt Shaughnessy, Trevor Scott and Tyvon Branch type picks.
Save us from uber workout warrior overhyped types.
The ideal situation would be for Davis to trade out of the 1st round for at least 1 other pick.
Then all of the hyped up talent and workout warriors are gone. Then Davis will have to rely on pure scouting and not on media clips.
I still think it Bruce Campbell folks
February 28th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
I’ll answer that. Measurables.
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What does that mean, DHB?
Russell, Huff, DMAC, and Gallery were all CONSENSUS top players at their position. Not one of them were “combine stars”, or HWS guys.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Raider Whacked Draft Board according to the Looney Old Man Al Davis WILL be:
1. OT Campbell
2. DE Pierre-Paul
3. S Mays
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What specifically makes you say that?
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You tell me….from the past 7 year trend of drafting and also from the dumb stuff that happened last year in the 1st two rounds of the draft.
The old delusional man Al loves inexperienced height, weight, speed guys FIRST and proven productive tough instinctive football players SECOND.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
The whole idea of the old man drafting stricktly by 40 times and Body Composition is BS.
However it has been his habit in the recent past to draft fast running DB’s.
But my recolection is that all of those DB’s drafted HAD 1st or 2nd round grades.
My biggest critisism is not addressing the lines.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
So far so good Nuggets
February 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I wonder why we didn’t take the workout warriors Gholston and Calvin Johnson?
DHB does not equal Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays, lol!
Before DHB was picked, Al’s 40 time guy was a guy like Carlos Francis in rd 4.
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Because Russell threw the ball 80 yards on his knees and had the cannon arm. Hence no Calvin Johnson
We took DMAC over Gholston. Because DMAC had the excellent 40x and Davis rarely drafts linebackers in the 1st round
DHB was an inexplicably bad pick…even by Davis standards. If speed was the issue, why not Maclin…because Maclin wasn’t tall enough….even though he had more production.
DHB does = Bruce Campbell. OT is a need and on the radar….Campbell goes lights out on athleticism but only has 17 starts and average work….Davis believes you can teach the other stuff…but you can’t teach speed and athleticism.
Every Raider fan has a right to be concerned about Campbell’s combine….and if Taylor Mays similiarly goes lights out….don’t even bother watching the 1st day of the draft unless you want to get upset.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Raider Whacked Draft Board according to the Looney Old Man Al Davis WILL be:
1. OT Campbell
2. DE Pierre-Paul
3. S Mays
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What specifically makes you say that?
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Jhill, I was not endorsing the comment, simply stating why DKnight said what He said.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Hopefully we can luck out and a team ahead of us will take Campbell.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
I’ll answer that. Measurables.
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What does that mean, DHB?
Russell, Huff, DMAC, and Gallery were all CONSENSUS top players at their position. Not one of them were “combine stars”, or HWS guys.
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Huff was a combine star…..he ran like a 4.3-4.4 forty…..but many questioned whether or not he could play safety full time in the NFL.
Gallerys short alligator arms were a question mark and Gallerys combine measurables….(except for the arm length were solid, hence why his stock stayed within the top 5….plus that year had a weak OT tackle class and Gallery was the only one considered a stand out)
Russell was considered a freak with a strong arm and good mobility for a man his size, but his work ethic and mental capacity was questioned.
DMAC was a good pick IMO….but the stupid offensive coaching staff needs to use him better!
February 28th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Because Russell threw the ball 80 yards on his knees and had the cannon arm.
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That’s actually a football related item SnB. I thought the point was HWS, workout warrior. Al took the guy with football talent over the workout warrior.
Chris Johnson was the guy with the fast 40 time, yet we took the football player in McFadden. Again, CONSENSUS top 5 talent in that draft not a 2nd rd pick who ran a good 40.
Even if we take Campbell, you don’t hear the negatives about him that you did DHB. He is a legitimate top 5 OT prospect and 1st rd pick. With only 17 starts, I would expect him to be raw.
But we are NOT drafting him, so that’s a moot point.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USA Hockey…scores in last seconds to tie
February 28th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I wonder why we didn’t take the workout warriors Gholston and Calvin Johnson?
DHB does not equal Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays, lol!
Before DHB was picked, Al’s 40 time guy was a guy like Carlos Francis in rd 4.
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DMC was a better overall prospect than Gholston and it was an added bonus that DMC ran a 4.3 40 time.
Calvin Johnson should have been the pick….but the team heavily needed a QB at the time, and team deciding factor was Russells arm strength which of course the old man loves.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Never the less Dknight,
Huff was the top rated DB BEFORE the combine.
Gallery was the top rated OT in the draft BEFORE the combine.
Same with Russell. His “best workout by a QB prospect I’ve ever seen” act was football related. And the dude was 300lbs and slow.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
DKnight,
Did you just say that Al took the better prospect in one instance, and the bigger need in the next draft?
I agree!
February 28th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USA Hockey…scores in last seconds to tie
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Saw that….had a feeling Canada would blow it.
Wow!
February 28th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
JHill,
The problem I have with Russell is the spectacular way he’s gone to prove the haters right. THat’s what is so disappointing. The pro’s questioned Russell’s work ethic…and the guy so spectacularly combusts with weight issues, showing up to meetings, mastering playbook etc…
DMAC, Mike Mayock questioned his ability to break talks and his lower body strenght ability to make people miss…..DMAC has been an amazing disappointment
DHB, the whole world…including me…said this kid is not a top 10 pick…picked him anyway and the results do not need to be repeated.
Gallery, Huff have only been manageable after years of wandering in Bustville and certainly don’t measure up to their contracts…..Fabian Washington was dealt for a 4th round pick.
This draft record is horrendous. That’s why everyone is skeptical, me included, that Davis will make the right decision.
THat DHB pick was downright awful!
February 28th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Because Russell threw the ball 80 yards on his knees and had the cannon arm.
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That’s actually a football related item SnB. I thought the point was HWS, workout warrior. Al took the guy with football talent over the workout warrior.
Chris Johnson was the guy with the fast 40 time, yet we took the football player in McFadden. Again, CONSENSUS top 5 talent in that draft not a 2nd rd pick who ran a good 40.
Even if we take Campbell, you don’t hear the negatives about him that you did DHB. He is a legitimate top 5 OT prospect and 1st rd pick. With only 17 starts, I would expect him to be raw.
But we are NOT drafting him, so that’s a moot point.
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Sooo who are “we” drafting at #8 then in your opinion if isn’t the raw workout warrior type in Campbell?
February 28th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
USA Hockey…scores in last seconds to tie
—————————————————–Cigarette Man has been busy I see. First, the Asian car sabotage stuff, now this?
I knew he was still around.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
I’m not saying we are going to nail the draft. I’m just saying that we are not going HWS with an OT!
If Haden or Bryant run a 4.3, then maybe they elevate themselves to top 8 consideration.
I think we will take one of the follwing players:
Suh, McCoy, Okung, Davis, Morgan, Pierre Paul, Haden, or Bryant.
February 28th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Uh oh Vegas …
Lakers on a run in the 4th!
February 28th, 2010 at 2:50 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
Never the less Dknight,
Huff was the top rated DB BEFORE the combine.
Gallery was the top rated OT in the draft BEFORE the combine.
Same with Russell. His “best workout by a QB prospect I’ve ever seen” act was football related. And the dude was 300lbs and slow.
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Should have drafted should have drafted Fitz ahead of Gallery, Ngata ahead of Huff, should have drafted CJ ahead of Juggs Russell.
Last year should have drafted pretty much anyone ahead of DHB at #7! LOL
February 28th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
What if Campbell has the best workout of any OT they bring in? Let’s say that Okung and Davis are off the board. The Raiders bring in Williams, Bulaga, and Campbell in for a private workout. Shouldn’t the guy who impresses most in the private workout?
When you start talking about Campbell vs Bulaga and Williams, I don’t see the big deal.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:01 pm
Jhill,
As long as the Raiders are looking at the total player from the start. Not getting enamoured by athleticism to the point that they think an undrafted Tight End from Boise State could possibly play middle linebacker
Test the players on knowledge, investigate work ethic all that stuff.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Cmon SnB …
Is he actaully playing MLB for us? A training camp experiment doesn’t = Bruce Campbell at 8.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
Jhill, If the Best workout means going through combine drills…then the team had better weigh the game film, evaluations of the team scouts, and the most recent private workout.
Game performance documented on film would mean a lot more to me than some potential based on measurables at a combine or private workout.
This gets down to Potential V Actuall performance.
Potential based on a workout can be intoxicating.
I played football with a lot of guys that looked good in drills, but sucked as real football players.
Just sayin.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:10 pm
A fkn push!!!!
Dammit
February 28th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Great hockey game
February 28th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
I agree Len.
Campbell only has 17 games of film. That film already has him in the first rd and a top 20 prospect. By the time it gets down to having him in for a private workout, I would think there would have already been comparisons between Bulaga and Williams and their film.
I can see Al’s logic in picking the big speedy WR over the possesion guy. Not saying I agree, but I can see where Al was going with that.
I’m trying to understand what Campbell brings to the Oline that would make him pass up a guy Okung or Davis. Or McCoy, McClain, Morgan, Haden, or Dez Bryant. We didn’t pass over those kind of guys for DHB.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Vegas:
A push is better than a loss.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Jhill, If Okung, Davis, Williams, McCoy, or Hayden are on the board, I’d take any one of them before B Campbell.
This is not an indictment on Campbell, I’d like him on our roster, just much later in the process.
I do not want a DE @ 8 nor do I want a WR.
Let those positions work themselves out in camp. We’ve already invested in these positions in recent drafts.
Let these guys demonstrate their development.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
The guys LTs are asked to block are usually athletic guys 280lbs or less.
Why can’t we have an athletic LT?
February 28th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
If Campbell is rated as the best player based on game film, production, work ethic, ability to play now, potential to get better and team need….then by all means.
But last year, Darius Heyward-Bey DID NOT meet the above criteria and as a result, the Raiders cheated themselves of filling a need and getting a productive player.
DHB at best…based on what we’ve seen will be a role player at best….and that’s not what you want out of a top 10 pick
February 28th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
I actually think that Mario is pretty athletic.
He’s still developing.
I expect him to be improved next year.
I don’t know that he locks down the position for the next 10 yrs, but I’m willing to give him another year to see what happens.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:30 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
If Campbell is rated as the best player based on game film, production, work ethic, ability to play now, potential to get better and team need….then by all means.
But last year, Darius Heyward-Bey DID NOT meet the above criteria and as a result, the Raiders cheated themselves of filling a need and getting a productive player.
DHB at best…based on what we’ve seen will be a role player at best….and that’s not what you want out of a top 10 pick
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SnB, You’re right.
The DHB pick to me was indulgent.
The old man needed to eat his vegatables and instead went for the ice cream.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
SnB,
I think that you will see a different DHB this year. I doubt we see a the exclusive deep routes with this guy, and I think he will be put in a better position to get YAC. Quick patterns that allow him to run with the ball instead of running to get the ball.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
THe Raiders have a lot of below average players on the roster that get hyped up too much.
This is not a good team right now. It is in DESPERATE need of playmakers. I think we all know this.
The top 10 is about getting playmakers..not role players. Got plenty of players that can’t even fill out a role.
Russell, DMAC, DHB, Huff, Gallery, Routt are all role players at best……only have two playmakers taken in the first two rounds….Asomugha and Miller.
That’s not going to cut it
February 28th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
DHB ran slants and other short routes all year and didnt make ONE SINGLE play. To say he ran go routes all year is complete BS.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
SnB,
I think that you will see a different DHB this year. I doubt we see a the exclusive deep routes with this guy, and I think he will be put in a better position to get YAC. Quick patterns that allow him to run with the ball instead of running to get the ball.
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I hope you are right. I am no fan of Tom Cable. His coaching decisions did great damage to this team.
But is it just about the coaching and playcalling. This guy DHB dropped about every ball you could imagine.
His last game, the K.C game took the proverbial cake. Got JaDavis benched. Lost the game on the last drive with a drop and INT.
I don’t have a lot of hope in DHB. There are basics and he seems to lack them. If you re-entered DHB into the draft today…where does he go based on what we know now?
I would say 4th round…and that’s because of the HWS
February 28th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
THe Raiders have a lot of below average players on the roster that get hyped up too much.
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I agree.
Cornell Green, Cooper Carlisle, Luke Lawton, Kirk Morrison, and Stan Routt all fit that bill. I think you’ll see all of them upgraded.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
SnB,
I think that you will see a different DHB this year. I doubt we see a the exclusive deep routes with this guy, and I think he will be put in a better position to get YAC. Quick patterns that allow him to run with the ball instead of running to get the ball.
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I think most agree that DHB was drafted much higher than the consensus.
He would have been drafted in the 1st round, but probably 15 to 20 spots lower.
It seems as though DHB has the requisit work ethic.
I expect He will be much better next year, and even better incrementally in the following years.
But, it will be up to Him to overcome the critisism directed his way for having been drafted “out of place”
February 28th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
My guess is that if DHB was on Indy, NE, or the Saints, he’d be a lot better.
I think Robert Meachem is a good example of what I think DHB could end up being. NOTHING his first few years in the league, and now a productive threat.
I think if you get DHB the ball on a reverse, a WR screen, or quick off the line slants instead of what he was asked to do last year with the deep patterns, then he could be a REAL threat.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
SnB, A guy doesn’t go from 1st to 4th because of his abilities in one year.
Unless He is convicted of a hienous crime or is significantly injured.
You are attatching a “having played for the Raiders” down grade on what the consensus was amongst the same scouts that are working in the NFL Today.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
My guess is that if DHB was on Indy, NE, or the Saints, he’d be a lot better.
I think Robert Meachem is a good example of what I think DHB could end up being. NOTHING his first few years in the league, and now a productive threat.
I think if you get DHB the ball on a reverse, a WR screen, or quick off the line slants instead of what he was asked to do last year with the deep patterns, then he could be a REAL threat.
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Yep…
By the way, don’t these teams have good o lines?
February 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Yup, not to mention QBs, scheme, and coaches.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
I hear what you guys are saying. But I am trying to define what real production means. Our standards in Oakland are so low right now.
Jeremy Maclin, Kenny Britt, Percy Harvin, Michael Crabtree, Hackeem Nicks….all those guys produced something. Our guy produced NOTHING!
Now, Louis Murphy produced. If DHB was at Murphy’s level then I would be satisfied and optimistic. But let’s be real here…this DHB kid CAN’T CATCH!
That’s a problem
February 28th, 2010 at 3:55 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Yup, not to mention QBs, scheme, and coaches.
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LOL, I know, I Know.
One thing at a time.
Give Me a dominate O line, that can trump the other BS.
lol.
February 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Tom Cable thought he had the O-Line he needed…LOL
The Raiders didn’t even draft an O-Lineman last year!
They went into last season ‘all set” at o-line
The evaluation skills of this team will forever be in question
February 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
I think you are going to see 3 or 4 catches a game next year from DHB, with a run mixed in here or there.
He’s never going to be a 100 catch guy.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Jhill,
This DHB fiasco is exactly why I was so against getting a wide receiver in the top 10. They are so “dime a dozen” cornerbacks and safeties too…..Louis Murphy is the #2 guy by all means but will ulitmately have to yield to Darius Heyward-Bey and his big bloated contract!
3 to 4 catches a game? top 10 pick? 48 to 60 catches…that’s why this team is horrible…role players instead of playmakers.
This team needs lineman in the worst way. I wish they would treat the DT, OT, G positions like they do the other positions!
3 – the number of DTs drafted IN ANY ROUND since 2000
6 – the number of DBs taken JUST IN THE 1st round since 2000
And we wonder why we lose!
February 28th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
“Maiocco was one of two Northern California representatives at the combine, the Sacramento Bee being the other. Both sent writers beat writers who cover the 49ers.”
Of course, that clown who covers the Raiders for the Bee is freakin’ horrible. They should bring back Jason Jones!
February 28th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
SnB,
Khalif Barnes’ ankle injury man. I think the plan was for Henderson and Barnes to be the OTs. You could argue that Barnes was a better, and certainly cheaper gamble than the 4th OT on the board.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
How many picks do we have this year?
1
2
3a
3b
4
5a
5b
7
In those 1st 5 picks I’d like to see 3 O lineman.
Unless we can sign upgrades to the current roster through free agency.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
The issue is getting the ball in DHBs hands, not what he can do once he gets it. I think 50-60 touches for DHB translates to double digit TDs.
I think our passing game should feature DMAC, Murphy, Chaz, Zach Miller, and DHB. Also sprinkle in some JLH and Nick Miller. I think Murphy, DHB, and Chaz will split 10 catches or so. Zach will get 4 or 5 balls, and the RBs should get 8 or so. DMAC should get 5 by himself!
20 completions or so with a heavy running game is the way we need to go.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
That’s not going to happen Len. 3 Olinemen?
Henderson and Gallery are locks for the starting 5. I think Langston Walker should and will be back at OG.
Satele? Wouldn’t surprise me to see us draft a C/G prospect.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
Jhill,
Let’s hope that Cable has no more influence on the offense.
That “let’r rip” stuff didn’t work out
AS for the O-Line…certainly we could have drafted at least 1…perhaps instead of reaching for Slade Norris….LOL
We went into last season thinking the line was going to be ok….and Barnes was terrible in Jacksonville….
Kwame Harris before him too….yet all we see are skill players drafted year after year after year
February 28th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Let’s get the ball in the hands of all these guys that run fast.
For the record, I think Dmac if used properly, is a home run every single game.
Chaz is an awesome possesion reciever in as much as he runs good routes, has reliable hands, and can really run after the catch.
Mix in Mike Bush to pound the run, with Miller.Tthat CAN be good stuff. IF we have a competent O Line.
If All of these guys are functioning DHB is the back breaker.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
I think you are going to see 3 or 4 catches a game next year from DHB, with a run mixed in here or there.
He’s never going to be a 100 catch guy.
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Tall order.
Considering he only caught 9 balls in 11 games says it’s a VERY tall order.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
So McClain only put up 24 reps and Micah Johnson put up 31.
Sean Weatherspoon put up 34.
If we draft Johnson or Weatherspoon instead of McClain, are we HWS guys?
Or do I need to wait on the 40?
February 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
# RaiderLen Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Let’s get the ball in the hands of all these guys that run fast.
For the record, I think Dmac if used properly, is a home run every single game.
Chaz is an awesome possesion reciever in as much as he runs good routes, has reliable hands, and can really run after the catch.
Mix in Mike Bush to pound the run, with Miller.Tthat CAN be good stuff. IF we have a competent O Line.
If All of these guys are functioning DHB is the back breaker.
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Oh geez…you do realize the least feared WR in the NFL is DHB, right?
And McFumble instills zero fear in defenses.
keep those two off the field?
Immediate improvement…REGARDLESS of who replaces them.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:29 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
That’s not going to happen Len. 3 Olinemen?
Henderson and Gallery are locks for the starting 5. I think Langston Walker should and will be back at OG.
Satele? Wouldn’t surprise me to see us draft a C/G prospect.
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Jhill, I agree that It probably won’t happen.
Just saying that the O Line is in DESPERATE need of an upgrade.
I would consider 3 of the 1st 5 picks the shotgun approach at correcting a huge hole in the most obvious weakness on this team.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Tom Cable thought he had the O-Line he needed…LOL
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Scary thing is Cable also thought “all Kwame needs is some good coaching”…12 games later, after leading the league in penalties and sacks allowed..it finally suck in.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
and Barnes was terrible in Jacksonville….
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No he wasn’t. We covered that last offseaon. He gave up sacks to Freeney and Mario Williams in multiple games. A few other big name sack artists too.
And what about the Jags top rated running game?
Terrible? Nah!
Regardless of it, he was brought here to compete for the LT spot with the loser going to RT. I think most of you said you don’t draft a RT with the #7 pick in the draft.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
This is my fav mick so far.
O Mock Draft 8.0:
1- OT Williams, Davis, or Campbell
2- DT Lamarr Houston
2- ILB Spikes (trade a 3rd & 5th to move up to the 2nd)
3- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
4- DE Austen Lane
5- CB Walter Thurmond, or OG M Johnson, JJ, or Ciron Black.
7- DT Demarcus Granger
February 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
So McClain only put up 24 reps and Micah Johnson put up 31.
Sean Weatherspoon put up 34.
If we draft Johnson or Weatherspoon instead of McClain, are we HWS guys?
Or do I need to wait on the 40?
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Linebacker is definitely an “athletic” position. Last year the Raiders drafted two linebackers. Slade Norris and Stryker Sulak. Both were known for speed and athleticism.
Thomas Howard was the last legit linebacker drafted. He happens to be the fastest linebacker in the NFL.
Kirk Morrison? His strength is more in being mobile and less in being physical.
I think you answered your own question. Davis has a lot of faults..but he is true to what he believes….regardless of the consequences.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Rack o
Yes DHB is one of the least feared for now.
Take my remarks in context. I think you will find the DHB was the last in line, but if all other pistons are firing, he could be a back breaker.
Do not delude yourself, NFL teams have to account for DMAC.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Jhill,
With all due respect…why was Barnes, A LEFT TACKLE, available for a song?
February 28th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Mock*
February 28th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Hue Jackson is the most important person in the building right now. Its up to him to salvage a lot of careers and get this doggone team going to exploit the raw talent on the offensive roster.
I just hope that the Raiders recognize the desperate needs on the O-Line. We go in with Cooper Carlisle, Cornell Green, Samson Satele…forget about it!
February 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
you do realize the least feared WR in the NFL is DHB, right?
And McFumble instills zero fear in defenses.
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Disagree with that.
I think those 2 are clearly on the mind of opposing DCs. I think we just make it easy on them by running DMAC between the tackles and not trying to get him matched up one on one with a LB or S. And by having DHB clear out areas for other receivers.
I’d argue that better play calling makes them both more of a threat.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Not sure why so many believe Bey is going to rise above the knocks he’s had all along?
Yeah, he’s a hard worker, nice guy, wants to contribute..but it’s also a fact that his claim to fame is he’s a track star..someone who’s fast.
It’s not unusual for someone converted to football because of other skills to flinch, and hear footsteps, who tightens up expecting a hit..who’s not grown up, playing football at different levels, getting used to hits.
You add in the fact it’s the NFL where everyone lays a solid teeth jarring hit, tells me it’s harder than many of you might believe on just “getting better catching the ball”.
Bey has NEVER had solid success catching the ball…and was known for bobbling balls, and dropping balls all through college.
Just don’t know why so many of you believe he’s going to be better or should be automatically given the chance to be better than others on the roster who are obviously past Bey as far as development goes.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
SnB,
Do we really have to rehash the Khalif Barnes thing? The point is he was brought here to compete with Henderson for the LT spot with the loser going to RT. Right, wrong, or indifferent that is the direction the coaches chose to go in WAY before the draft. Once that happened, OT was off the board. Same as this year. If we tender Barnes or pick up a FA OT, we are not drafting an OT at 8.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Lamarr Houston can play the run and pass well. He woulf be a 1st RD talent any other year, but this draft is full of DT talent.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
you do realize the least feared WR in the NFL is DHB, right?
And McFumble instills zero fear in defenses.
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Disagree with that.
I think those 2 are clearly on the mind of opposing DCs. I think we just make it easy on them by running DMAC between the tackles and not trying to get him matched up one on one with a LB or S. And by having DHB clear out areas for other receivers.
I’d argue that better play calling makes them both more of a threat.
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At the beginning of the season, you saw teams respecting Bey’s speed, but that didn’t last long.
And McF might only be effective out of the backfield, or outside the tackles, because he’s also guilty of the same knocks he had in college, which is going down too easily, and never breaking tackles.
Of course better play calling would help everyone, because that might have just been one of the worst seasons any team has had calling plays.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Satelle, Carlisle and Green on the right side is totaly unacceptable.
If L Walker can hold down the RG position as Jhill suggests, cool.
That still leaves a center and right tackle. Plus… Mario did struggle after Gallery left the line up.
And we are not sure at this point if Gallery will be healthy when the regular season starts.
To Many question marks on the o line.
Earth… to AL/Cable…need O linemen
February 28th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
Rich,
I don’t think 3-4 balls a game is expecting too much. And I don’t mean 3-4 of the same opportunities he had last year. I would like to see him get 1 reverse, and a couple of WR screens each game. Also a couple of short 3-5 yd slants and crossing routes. Have him line up in the slot from time to time. Send him in motion. He may drop 3 or 4 balls a game on top of what I’m saying, but he should be able to catch 3 or 4 of those too.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Picks we could had that we woulda been way better off with!!!!
Aaron Rodgers
Calvin Johnson (however with Rodgers we prob wouldnt be picking 1st)
Adrian Peterson ( sam as above)
Patrick Willis (Same as Above)
Joe Thomas
CockMcGEE unnamed probowler
February 28th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Richochet Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Not sure why so many believe Bey is going to rise above the knocks he’s had all along?
Yeah, he’s a hard worker, nice guy, wants to contribute..but it’s also a fact that his claim to fame is he’s a track star..someone who’s fast.
It’s not unusual for someone converted to football because of other skills to flinch, and hear footsteps, who tightens up expecting a hit..who’s not grown up, playing football at different levels, getting used to hits.
You add in the fact it’s the NFL where everyone lays a solid teeth jarring hit, tells me it’s harder than many of you might believe on just “getting better catching the ball”.
Bey has NEVER had solid success catching the ball…and was known for bobbling balls, and dropping balls all through college.
Just don’t know why so many of you believe he’s going to be better or should be automatically given the chance to be better than others on the roster who are obviously past Bey as far as development
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Rack O
GREAT POST.
We don’t know. Your points are valid.
I would however offer up Cliff Branch and Bob Hayes as an example of a track stars that made the transition.
I’m willing to give DHB the time to develope.
It’s tough to witness, but He may be able to make it happen.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
At the beginning of the season, you saw teams respecting Bey’s speed, but that didn’t last long.
And McF might only be effective out of the backfield, or outside the tackles, because he’s also guilty of the same knocks he had in college, which is going down too easily, and never breaking tackles.
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I agree with that. I think teams stopped respecting the passing game in general because they knew the pass rush would be there before the long patterns could develop. Not to mention the QB issues.
We need to accept that DMAC is best outside the tackles and out of the backfield and move forward instead of forcing him between the tackles and hoping for something different.
February 28th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
1- OT
2- DT L Houston
2- Trade up for ILB Spikes
3- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
4- DE Austen Lane ( play Seymour inside with Houston)
5- CB/ OG
7- DT/ FB
I would try to trade TK & Fargas for more picks, cut Warren & Walker, and sign the best C available in FA.
Spoon did 34 reps on the bench! Houston did 30!
February 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
JHill, as the Raiders are curently constructed, Dmac is better off running outside the Tackles.
But…what if we had a Center and Guards that could beat their man at the LOS with a fullback that was a competent lead blocker.
Then what?
February 28th, 2010 at 5:04 pm
Add L Houston, Spikes, and Austen Lane to our Defense, and we will have a top 10 Defense IMHO.
RDE: Austen Lane/ Matt S
DT: Seymour
DT: Houston
LDE: Matt S/ Ellis
OLB: Scott
ILB: Spikes
OLB: TH
CB: Nnamdi
CB: CJ/ Huff
FS: Huff/ Branch
SS: Branch/ MM
All we need is a way to get SPOON too.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Key is play calling.
Yeah, need O line, a solid go to receiver, D line, but regardless, plays should play to the strengths, and not just stick to a game plan that’s not working.
to hell with the deep ball. Get teams respecting the short pass, the 6 yard toss to the RB..grinding out first downs..instead of the all or nothing plays that Cable calls.
Forget the 7 step drop..just not going to happen.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
# RaiderLen Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
But…what if we had a Center and Guards that could beat their man at the LOS with a fullback that was a competent lead blocker.
Then what?
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Having a center and guards that beat their man at the LOS? Solid lead blocker?
Regardless of the team..you’re in the playoffs with even an average RB…hell, make a hole big enough..and I can get a first down.
No…really
February 28th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Raider O, Bench Press is a crappy way to measure a Football player’s ability.
It’s a “sexy number” but has not much to do with real football performance.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Exactly Rich, agree 100%.
If DHB was dropping screens, and slants, and short routes, I’d be right there with you on the bust thing. But with hands being an acknowledged issue with him, why put him in a position to catch 15-20 yd fastballs from Russell?
Makes no sense.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
We have to get Houston and Spikes, and Austen Lane is a must have luxury.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
Rack O,
And there it is.
A dominant O line would enable even you to be a star.
Start Jogging, and get the cell number of the old man.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Jhill,
Not here to argue about Barnes specifically. Just the concept that fixing the line through free agent castoffs as a strategy vs. building with top tier draft picks.
We would never approach building the secondary that way. It has always been “preceived top tier free agents” or high round draft picks. This is my problem with Al Davis. It appears that he spends WAAYYY to much effort and resources in certain positions, while thinking the rest get by with castoffs.
Seymour was only brought in when it was PAINFULLY obvious in the last week of training camp that the D-Line was woefully uncompetitive.
I would like to see the Raiders go for a top tier O-Lineman or D-Lineman IN MULTIPLE YEARS!…..Lord knows we’ve done that for other positions
February 28th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Not when we are talking about DTs!!
February 28th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
new post
February 28th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
You shouldn’t look for Talent at the combine, but its a good way to compare talent.
If all these drills like the bench and 40 are “crappy way to measure” then why do GMs, scouts, and coaches pat attention to it?!?
February 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Anyone who says to take Dez or ANY players other than an OT in the 1st round…
Emmitt Smith. Troy Aikman.
Smith is far from the greatest RB in NFL history. His stats are due to the Line behind which he played. Aikman didn’t “get old” and start getting concussions: his linemen started getting old and retiring/being traded/becoming FAs… letting Aikman get hit a lot more. Behind an average line, Aikman is an average QB and Smith is a pedestrian back. We don’t need “playmakers” as some of you keep saying… we need dominant players on the line who will make the rest of our offense look like superstars (some might already be, if given enough time for a play to develop).
Using our 1st pick on anything other than OT doesn’t leave us with several more picks to use on the line… not the way you guys think. What we do with that 1st pick affects every pick thereafter. I’d rather have top OL prospects and miss out on Dez than get Dez and have lower-tier line prospects. We don’t have the luxury of taking a “playmaker” when we have a horrid line… not when there are four top-15 OTs… and then a huge talent dropoff after that, meaning that we won’t get an elite lineman if we pick anything else… we’ll be taking second-shelf whiskey and trying to make it Middletons. If you disagree, you don’t understand football. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
With the 39th Pick in the 2010 draft..the Raiders take
MUARKICE POUNCEY, C, FLORIDA
What a dream…
February 28th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
New Billboard in Oakland: Offensive Line Talent Please
February 28th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I wonder why we didn’t take the workout warriors Gholston and Calvin Johnson?
DHB does not equal Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays, lol!
Before DHB was picked, Al’s 40 time guy was a guy like Carlos Francis in rd 4.
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Because Russell threw the ball 80 yards on his knees and had the cannon arm. Hence no Calvin Johnson
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C’mon SnB. There was a hell of a lot more that went into the drafting of Russell. It cracks me up that people still say goofy stuff like this. Did you watch NFL Network? Did you see the little mock interview with Tony Pike? JR went through tons of that. In fact Kiffin was quoted as saying that JR was very impressive on the grease board. And what about his intangibles? Always cool under fire and extremely competitive? He showed all those things in engineering eight 4th qtr comebacks. After he was hurt in the SEC Championship his sophomore year and Matt Flynn starred in their bowl win, he had to reclaim his job the following season against Flynn and Ryan Perriloux, an extremely heralded recruit. He rose to the occasion and had an outstanding season. And in the Sugar Bowl which was billed as a fight for status as the No. 1 pick in the draft, he rose to the occasion again. Don’t you think the Raiders noticed any of this stuff along with his physical attributes? I know you’re just trying to make points about our drafting in the 1st round the last few years, but let’s not re-write history.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Anyone who says to take Dez or ANY players other than an OT in the 1st round…
Emmitt Smith. Troy Aikman.
Smith is far from the greatest RB in NFL history. His stats are due to the Line behind which he played. Aikman didn’t “get old” and start getting concussions: his linemen started getting old and retiring/being traded/becoming FAs… letting Aikman get hit a lot more. Behind an average line, Aikman is an average QB and Smith is a pedestrian back. We don’t need “playmakers” as some of you keep saying… we need dominant players on the line who will make the rest of our offense look like superstars (some might already be, if given enough time for a play to develop).
Using our 1st pick on anything other than OT doesn’t leave us with several more picks to use on the line… not the way you guys think. What we do with that 1st pick affects every pick thereafter. I’d rather have top OL prospects and miss out on Dez than get Dez and have lower-tier line prospects. We don’t have the luxury of taking a “playmaker” when we have a horrid line… not when there are four top-15 OTs… and then a huge talent dropoff after that, meaning that we won’t get an elite lineman if we pick anything else… we’ll be taking second-shelf whiskey and trying to make it Middletons. If you disagree, you don’t understand football. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
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Almost got away with it Steve. Forgot to mention The Playmaker though. Ever heard of a guy named Michael Irvin? Who is the Michael Irvin on our roster? Dez could be the guy.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
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