Position group analysis: Defensive line
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, February 28th, 2010 at 5:11 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Sixth in a series analyzing Raiders position groups with a contingent of scouts and coaches in Indianapolis at the scouting combine:
Starters: RE Richard Seymour, DT Tommy Kelly, DT Gerard Warren, LE Greg Ellis. Backups_ DT Desmond Bryant, DE Greyson Gunheim, DT William Joseph, DE Jay Richardson, DE Matt Shaughnessy.
Review: As a group, was less effective than the sum of its parts. On one hand, the Raiders often played on the opposite side of the line and were among the league leaders in tackles for loss. Which was more than negated by the amount of rushing yardage they surrendered through either shabby tackling, poor gap control, or simply getting pushed around.
The Raiders thought enough of Seymour to make him their exclusive rights franchise free agent, guaranteeing him at least $12.398 million. He looked that good at times. Other times, he vanished for stretches. Although Kelly has his moments, he’s shown no sign he’ll ever be worth all the money they paid him the previous year to stay out of free agency. Warren has moments where he can’t be blocked and then . . . it’s been the story of his career at previous stops in Cleveland and Denver. Ellis, despite a balky knee, recorded seven sacks and proved to be an excellent free agent acquisition.
Third-round draft pick Matt Shaughnessy out of Wisconsin looked like a real find. He showed great range and passion, a good burst rushing the passer (four sacks) and was a sponge for everything Seymour and Ellis had to offer. Bryant, an undrafted free agent out of Harvard, was heavily involved in the defensive line rotation and produced far more than could have been expected after jumping from the Ivy League to the NFL.
Richardson, with three sacks, looks the part of a dominant lineman but plays that way too infrequently. Joseph has been on a yo-yo from being released, to being signed and then released again. Gunheim was a practice squad promotion for the second straight year.
Contract status: Nothing to worry about. Everything is within the Raiders control.
What’s next: Rumors continue of the Raiders wanting to off-load some players, particularly those with bloated contracts. Kelly and Warren would both qualify on that score, although, as noted before, these supposed fire-sales have been rumored every season and they never actually happen. The assumption here is that Trevor Scott will play linebacker based on the way he finished the 2009 season. That’s a good idea because it means more time for Shaughnessy, who will eventually push Ellis out of the starting lineup and off the roster. In the meantime, Ellis is good to have around.
The Raiders usually take a defensive lineman or two in the draft, and have scored big with the picks of Scott and Shaughnessy the past two years (it more than makes up for the Quinton Moses whiff).
Mike Waufle returns as defensive line coach. Waufle’s a big believer in leverage and position, two areas that if improved, could turn a talented front into a more productive one.
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February 28th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Jhill,
Not here to argue about Barnes specifically. Just the concept that fixing the line through free agent castoffs as a strategy vs. building with top tier draft picks.
We would never approach building the secondary that way. It has always been “preceived top tier free agents” or high round draft picks. This is my problem with Al Davis. It appears that he spends WAAYYY to much effort and resources in certain positions, while thinking the rest get by with castoffs.
Seymour was only brought in when it was PAINFULLY obvious in the last week of training camp that the D-Line was woefully uncompetitive.
I would like to see the Raiders go for a top tier O-Lineman or D-Lineman IN MULTIPLE YEARS!…..Lord knows we’ve done that for other positions
February 28th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
Rumors continue of the Raiders wanting to off-load some players, particularly those with bloated contracts. Kelly and Warren would both qualify on that score, although, as noted before, these supposed fire-sales have been rumored every season and they never actually happen.
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Al Davis jettisoned Terdell Sands last year. Hopefully Warren or Kelly make the list this year.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
And Terdell Sands is sitting home. Raiders gave him a lucrative contract…..
February 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
So you would have preferred TO and Eugene at 7 instead of DHB and Barnes?
February 28th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
CINCO!
February 28th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
A guy that is “at times unblockable” does not need to be cut. fat 330lb guys are not going to be there on every play man. Our DTs are decent at worst. Lets get the other positions up to at least decent before we talk about these guys. Like Jerry said, our front 4 is talented, maybe Wauffle gets more production out of them.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
So you would have preferred TO and Eugene at 7 instead of DHB and Barnes?
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I’d have preffered Monroe, and Matt Jones.
If I had to choose a WR poison.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
1. I think now that Davis has his “elite” offensive weapons in Russell, DMC and Bey, it IS time to shore the lines.
Don’t think it’ll happen but Mike Upauti is a mauler. Poor in some technique and holds to much, but man, this guy is one mean mother scratcher with a work ethic.
I’d like to see him come in and mangle some people old school Raider style and gawd knows we could use some help on the right side.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Greg Ellis limped along last year and was dinged. I’d be surprised to see him make final cuts and if he does, likely won’t make it 6 games in. He didn’t practice much at all the back half of the year due to injuries and face it, he’s gettin football old.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Agreed Nnamdi. Which is why I wouldnt be surprised to see us go with Morgan at 8.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
I’ve been reading the last post comments about our WR situation. Our receivers are bad because of Sanjay Lal. Period! That dude can’t coach Pop Warner let alone the NFL. I think Al likes him on staff because when the team does pre and post game meals, Lal can calculate the 18% tip in his head faster than DHB’s 40 time.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Jhill,
I would have been fine with Higgins and Schilens on the outside and drafted Murphy. I thought the receivers and Russell played well at the end of that year. Better to build up the chemistry.
Also, I don’t believe in drafting receivers, running backs or cornerbacks in the top 10 unless they are a real can’t miss. DHB did not meet those standards.
As for Eugene Monroe. I would have been fine with that pick. He would have started 16 games for us at Right Tackle and would have been an upgrade over what we have now.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
1- OT Okung, Williams, Davis, or Campbell ONLY!
2- DT L Houston
2- Trade up for ILB Spikes (trade 3rd & 5th)
3- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
4- DE Austen Lane
5- CB Walter Thurmond
7- DT Demarcus Granger or FB
February 28th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
I liked how Seymour rough punks up last year. He drew personal fouls, but didn’t let anyone walk over him.
Hope he’s an inspiration for the rest of the D.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
McCoy is not even 6′1 and his weight is 295!
SUH will be the 1st DT off the Board!!
February 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Just a matter of time before Seymour is a full time DT.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
1. I think now that Davis has his “elite” offensive weapons in Russell, DMC and Bey, it IS time to shore the lines.
Don’t think it’ll happen but Mike Upauti is a mauler. Poor in some technique and holds to much, but man, this guy is one mean mother scratcher with a work ethic.
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No disrespect Nnamdi21,
But you kinda just described Mophandle.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Chris Long, Vernon Ghoulston, Derrick Harvey, Lawrence Jackson, Kentwan Balmer, Tyson Jackson, Aaron Maybin.
With the exception of Orakpo, who was a Pro Bowl alternate, most DE’s don’t have an impact and SEEM more prone to bust than would warrant that kind of cahs especially when the Raiders are finding guys in FA and later in the draft.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
I think Thomas Howard and Kirk Morrison are in trouble. Howard already lost his job and they all but handed Morrison’s job to Ricky Brown.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Rolando McClain would get a cheer from me on draft day, but not likely to happen.
Never sure what Al’s gonna do so alot of this draft stuff is pointless.
What makes sense and what we’d like aren’t usually on the table.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
Just a matter of time before Seymour is a full time DT.
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Sounds good to me. Perhaps we move Seymour inside and cut Tommy Kelly. Draft Dan Williams and then have him rotate with Gerard Warren. Matt Shaughnessy take over full-time on the RDE with Ellis on the other side.
Now we have a defensive line…with the other guys in rotation.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Either way….Tommy Kelly and Gerard Warren are not worth a combined $10 million per year
February 28th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
TK was productive man. Even the stats say so.
February 28th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
504 Raider Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
1. I think now that Davis has his “elite” offensive weapons in Russell, DMC and Bey, it IS time to shore the lines.
Don’t think it’ll happen but Mike Upauti is a mauler. Poor in some technique and holds to much, but man, this guy is one mean mother scratcher with a work ethic.
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No disrespect Nnamdi21,
But you kinda just described Mophandle.
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lol! A 6-5, 325 lb mop handle! He’s one of the best guard prospects in years and his ceiling is unbelievable. Barely scratched his potential. This guy could be the next Alaln Faneca except bigger and with more upper body strength. If he’s there in the 2nd, it might be worth a shot and he might even be able to play DT!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1137494?tag=untagged
February 28th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
RE: Anyone who says to take Dez or ANY players other than an OT in the 1st round…
Emmitt Smith. Troy Aikman.
Smith is far from the greatest RB in NFL history. His stats are due to the Line behind which he played. Aikman didn’t “get old” and start getting concussions: his linemen started getting old and retiring/being traded/becoming FAs… letting Aikman get hit a lot more. Behind an average line, Aikman is an average QB and Smith is a pedestrian back. We don’t need “playmakers” as some of you keep saying… we need dominant players on the line who will make the rest of our offense look like superstars (some might already be, if given enough time for a play to develop).
Using our 1st pick on anything other than OT doesn’t leave us with several more picks to use on the line… not the way you guys think. What we do with that 1st pick affects every pick thereafter. I’d rather have top OL prospects and miss out on Dez than get Dez and have lower-tier line prospects. We don’t have the luxury of taking a “playmaker” when we have a horrid line… not when there are four top-15 OTs… and then a huge talent dropoff after that, meaning that we won’t get an elite lineman if we pick anything else… we’ll be taking second-shelf whiskey and trying to make it Middletons. If you disagree, you don’t understand football. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:10 pm
Jhill,
According to TKs stats…that would make Morrison productive too. Right?
Seymour inside with Williams…..now we can start talking about the D-Line
February 28th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Option 1 – If I ruled the world…..
1. Draft Williams and either cut or restructure Warren
Lineup: Ellis, Kelly, Williams, Seymour
Option 2
1. Draft Williams, move Seymour inside and start Shaughnessy outside
Lineup: Ellis, Seymour, Williams, Shaughnessy
Its about building inside-out fellas…..All this outside in has given us 7 years of the worst football in league history
February 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Jhill,
Where did the Raiders rank in rush D in 2009? I am having trouble finding it.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
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February 28th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Steve,
That is an excellent point about the Cowboys. Their “triplets” got all the glory, but Aikman, Smith and Irvin wouldn’t have been able to do what they did without that O-line. Their o-line back then with Larry Allen, Nate Newton and Erik “Big Cat” Williams was big, mean and nasty. They mauled people.
You know what the scary thing is. Steve Wizniewski, the greatest o-lineman in recent Raiders history was almost a Cowpoke. Dallas drafted him with the first pick of Rd. 2. Al was able to swing a draft day trade.
But you’re right, this draft has to be heavy on O-line early. And Al Davis has to know that.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
A guy that is “at times unblockable” does not need to be cut. fat 330lb guys are not going to be there on every play man. Our DTs are decent at worst. Lets get the other positions up to at least decent before we talk about these guys. Like Jerry said, our front 4 is talented, maybe Wauffle gets more production out of them.
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Warren is unblockable at times on pass rush. His run stopping abilities are questionable. as is TKs. Our DT’s are serviceable on their best days…most of time they are non-factors….$10 million nonfactors.
I will agree that Morrison has to go too. But not before the DTs. Inside-out.
I still stand behind what I said earlier, although Priest got quite angry….
Gerard Warren would not start on any other NFL team. Backup player….Tommy Kelly would not start with any other team at his current salary.
I said that about Terdell Sands…who’s been out of the league since the Raiders rightly cut him…and I will believe that about the current crew.
The Raiders DTs inspire nothing from the opposition and is at the root of this awful run defense.
Kirk Morrison has to go too. Get a Barrett Ruud and we will have a work man that already knows the game. A rookie will flame out with our system and development program. Get me a vet at MLB that already knows how to play…then draft a kid that can be brought along.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
This draft seems to be deepest in area where the Raiders have the biggest needs. This draft seems unusually deep in offensive and defensive tackles. Maybe even a MLB like Spikes could drop to Rd 2, if the raiders do go Oline in the first.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Two words that describe Al Davis’ stewardship of this team: Tommy Kelly. Want two more? Terdell Sands. What a dope.
February 28th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
With the 39th Pick in the 2010 draft..the Raiders take
MUARKICE POUNCEY, C, FLORIDA
February 28th, 2010 at 6:57 pm
I think I would be inclined to leave Seymour at end to hold the edge. Maye shift him inside on obvious passing downs. As part of a nickle package. Bring in MM as a big nickle back/designated blitzer. Then shift Trevor Scott from his OLB position to Seymours DE spot.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
JHill,
I agree with you. Our D tackles are far from perfect, but I don’t think they are the weakest link in the porous run D. That dishonor goes to Capt. Kirk and the rest of the LB corps that overpursue, don’t hold their gaps, and don’t always tackle like they should.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
According to TKs stats…that would make Morrison productive too. Right?
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TK is making tackles at or near the LOS. He is not “pursuing” anyone.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
JHill,
Hey ol buddy, just curious where the Raiders have been ranking in the Rush D standings since ol TK has been manning the fort??
February 28th, 2010 at 7:28 pm
The Raiders DTs inspire nothing from the opposition and is at the root of this awful run defense.
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I just don’t see how you say that. For example, Dallas had 190 yds rushing against us. 145 of those yds came on THREE PLAYS!
February 28th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Ron,
Do we really have to play this game tonight? If you think TK stinks, feel free to say so and back it up with an argument.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
the 1st round the last few years, but let’s not re-write history.
138.RaiderDebo Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
RE: Anyone who says to take Dez or ANY players other than an OT in the 1st round…
Emmitt Smith. Troy Aikman.
Smith is far from the greatest RB in NFL history. His stats are due to the Line behind which he played. Aikman didn’t “get old” and start getting concussions: his linemen started getting old and retiring/being traded/becoming FAs… letting Aikman get hit a lot more. Behind an average line, Aikman is an average QB and Smith is a pedestrian back. We don’t need “playmakers” as some of you keep saying… we need dominant players on the line who will make the rest of our offense look like superstars (some might already be, if given enough time for a play to develop).
Using our 1st pick on anything other than OT doesn’t leave us with several more picks to use on the line… not the way you guys think. What we do with that 1st pick affects every pick thereafter. I’d rather have top OL prospects and miss out on Dez than get Dez and have lower-tier line prospects. We don’t have the luxury of taking a “playmaker” when we have a horrid line… not when there are four top-15 OTs… and then a huge talent dropoff after that, meaning that we won’t get an elite lineman if we pick anything else… we’ll be taking second-shelf whiskey and trying to make it Middletons. If you disagree, you don’t understand football. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
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Almost got away with it Steve. Forgot to mention The Playmaker though. Ever heard of a guy named Michael Irvin? Who is the Michael Irvin on our roster? Dez could be the guy.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
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February 28th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
At least with our DTs, there are plays were you say they are unblockable, or Whoa I wish I saw more of that.
Where are the plays from Morrison that make you say that? I do know that HE is the one CLEARLY out of position on those big plays were are talking about.
NFL Network’s playbook show has CONSTANTLY highlighted Morrison’s errors. The Rice run early in the Baltimore game brought the comment “I just don’t know what Morrison was doing there” from Mayock. Trevor Scott meanwhile was praised for doing EXACTLY what he was supposed to do as a LB on the same play.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
I wouldnt say TK “stinks”, I would lean more towards average AT BEST. He and Warren together add up to an avg to below avg tackle duo. Add to that piss poor safety and LB play and you have the Raider run D for the last 5 or 6 years.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
So instead of TK, we should have ?????
And please don’t tell me about any fat 3-4 NTs.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
SnB, I didn’t get angry I just told you, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about and yu don’t. You don’t kn ow what other teams would do with Warren.
Just say you don’t like him and stop making wild inflamatory statements that you can’t prove. Warren is a good DT in our scheme you can talk to any D coach and he’ll tell you the same thing. I know because I have. You want make statements that are unsubstantiated juts like all the other idiots in here.
Shut the hell up already If you know something it’s more than OK to say it or just say in your opinion. Stop stating crap as fact with no proof.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
I can respect an opinion anyone can be wrong but you are way too presumptuous.
February 28th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
BJ Raji’s 25 tackles and 1 sack with a huge contract over TK?
How about Sedrick Ellis and his 35 tackles and 2 sacks?
Who could we have signed instead of TK?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Our run D is spotty in some games we were dominant in others we were horrible. Still others average. But we at times have played the run very well.
To sum it up we are UNDISCIPLINED!! period stopping the run is tackling and discipline. More than anything else. The 49ers have a very good NT and one 3tech in Smith but what they do is play with great discipline. Now they can’t cover worth a damn but they have a decent pass rush. We are more talented on defense than they are but at MLB we are undisciplined. and that will force others to be as well.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Jhill
Bro, stop your infatuation about TK, you never played DT in your life, you can watch the tape but do you really understand what is the problem with TK? Do you really think he is good based on stats? Come on bro, you a wise guy when it comes to many things, but on this topic you are way off. I hope you take this criticism lightly. Now, I want critic you without backing up what I am saying.
Here is a quote from Sapp on why Kelly sucks
“As for Tommy Kelly, he never played (tackle), he was at end. Then he had a knee injury, and I never had the chance to teach him the intricate parts of the three-technique. (He is) a 6-6, 330-pound country kid from Mississippi who is strong as all outdoors. Can he play the position? Yes. But there are certain things about (defensive tackle) … “If you (stand) too high, he’s going to get knocked around, and at 6-6, low man wins in the trenches, and once you get knocked around, you get a little apprehensive.”
February 28th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
Debo:
Michael Irvin never would have made any plays without the line protecting long enough to let the play develop and give the QB time to get him the ball. We’ve been over this. Wow.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Tommy Kelly never proved he was worth $50 mill in the open market, you don’t pay a guy $10 mill unless he dominates opponents. Name me one game when Tommy Kelly dominated like darnell dockett?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
I wonder why we didn’t take the workout warriors Gholston and Calvin Johnson?
DHB does not equal Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays, lol!
Before DHB was picked, Al’s 40 time guy was a guy like Carlos Francis in rd 4.
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Because Russell threw the ball 80 yards on his knees and had the cannon arm. Hence no Calvin Johnson
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SnB, not trying to pile on, but I have to agree with Preist that you do make some goofy statements such as the one above. There was a hell of a lot more that went into the drafting of Russell. It cracks me up that people still say goofy stuff like this. Did you watch NFL Network? Did you see the little mock interview with Tony Pike? JR went through tons of that. In fact Kiffin was quoted as saying that JR was very impressive on the grease board. And what about his intangibles? Always cool under fire and extremely competitive? He showed all those things in engineering eight 4th qtr comebacks. After he was hurt in the SEC Championship his sophomore year and Matt Flynn starred in their bowl win, he had to reclaim his job the following season against Flynn and Ryan Perriloux, an extremely heralded recruit. He rose to the occasion and had an outstanding season. And in the Sugar Bowl which was billed as a fight for status as the No. 1 pick in the draft, he rose to the occasion again. Don’t you think the Raiders noticed any of this stuff along with his physical attributes?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
(He is) a 6-6, 330-pound country kid from Mississippi who is strong as all outdoors. Can he play the position? Yes.
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I agree with Sapp.
As for the “I didn’t get a chance to teach him ..” LMFAO!
February 28th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
4eve,
And the question still stands, who should we have playing DT instead of TK? Not saying I agree with the contract. I could actually care less how Al spends his $. Just curious which FA we should have paid or which rookie we should have taken instead of paying TK?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Jhill
But you making it seem that TK is a good player because of his stats, he is not an efficient player meaning his contribution doesn’t affect the outcome of the game. He is not dominate DT to be payed $10 mill a year, you dig?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Jhill
Which year? last year or the year we resigned TK?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Nah Debo …
The Raiders don’t do greas board stuff. They only go to the combine with a stop watch.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Jhill, SnB is going to try to sell that fat BJ untill he eventually does something worth while. Anyone that can tell me he was worth that pick is lying. If he were he would be starting plain and simple. I’ll take 3 DT’s in this draft D Williams, Suh and McCoy. All great players IMO worth top 15 selections and yu’ll see everyone of them start for the team that drafts them.
T Williams and A davis and Bulaga are all great talents either of them would play right now for us. The kid Washington is also a top teir player along with Charles Brown from USC. This draft is outstanding we NEED MORE PICKS. I want Micah Johnson in the 5th rnd. There is also a QB from Hillsdale college whom I’d like to take a flyer on. He is impressive.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
The year we signed TK …
HAD to let Sapp go, and letting Warren walk would have been a huge gamble. A little foggy, but wasn’t that the off season Dorsey was coming out?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
The Oakland Raiders stepped forward Thursday on the eve of free agency and signed Tommy Kelly to the largest contract ever given to a defensive tackle.
Kelly, a defensive end scheduled to move to defensive tackle this season, signed a seven-year, $50.5 million contract Thursday that has $18.125 million in guarantees. In the first three years of the deal, he will make $25.125 million.
The Raiders’ plan is for the 300-pound Kelly to replace the retiring Warren Sapp as the three-technique defensive tackle in the Raiders’ 4-3 defense. The move is similar to the one made last year by the Detroit Lions’ Cory Redding, a franchise player who signed a seven-year, $47.5 million deal last summer, the highest among defensive tackles at the time.
Like Kelly, Redding was an effective run-stopping end with some pass-rush ability so the Lions believed he could move to tackle, work next to Shaun Rogers and create a solid 1-2 interior defensive tackle punch. The Raiders believe Kelly can emerge as one of the league’s best interior defenders.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
18 million in guarantees over 7 years is not a lot of $. The contract was similar to Cory Redding. Maybe we should have signed him instead?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Yeah Priest .. Draft is deep this year in a lot of spots. What do you think about this kid Campbell everyone is in an uproar over?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
Jhill
TK signed on feb 2008, there were potential trades available and free agents for example Corey Williams was available via trade along with Marcus Stroud, there was also Randy Starks who signed with Miami for half the money TK got and this year had 9 sacks, there was also a veteran in Damione Lewis who resigned with the Panthers after not getting much offers but seems productive enough. Note that all these guys are 4-3 DTs and we could have also drafted a DT instead of wasting the third round pick on Quentin Moses the year before that. My point there were better options bro, trust me.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Say what you want about TK but remember, he’s the ONLY DT in the NFL to have mooned the free world on national TV. That’s almost as memorable as Jim Marshall’s wrong way run. Who says TK doesn’t give it his all. LOL
February 28th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Jhill, If you notice the whine and cry crowd rarely have better optins that actually make sense. It’s always we should’ve signed King Kong or taded JLH for Boldin. Something that would never happen because they are clueless. While DHB shouldn’t have been drafted where he was and we had definite other needs. The kid isn’t nearly as bad as some make out. He was playin g under a ton of pressureand didn’t handle it well. As a lot of rookies will do. But I saw that kid on film and he made some incedible plays. He is what I would believe to be about 50 -60% where he needs to be which could take another year and a half. But in the meantime he can make some huge plays for us to help us win. He is a very rare specimen If he were in this draft it would be he and Dez Bryant because that would’ve allowed him an extra years development.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
to be payed $10 mill a year,
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He is not making 10 million a year.
You assume that teams would have traded with us. And not only would we have had to pay those guys the same, but we would have had to ALSO give up a high draft pick. Stroud is a decent player, but how has his presence impacted the Bills deense? Where is Corey Williams these days?
February 28th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
I’m not worried about DHB, Priest. I’m sure that kid, along with DMAC and Russell will be fine. The same way Gallery and Huff finally came around to be contributors, so will those other kids. I really hope we upgrade our WR coach though. AND we need to get a QB coach.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:38 pm
I’m assuming Hackett is out as QB coach.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:43 pm
It’s very early in his development he was working in the kick n slide drill and he moves naturally. Everything with him comes very easy. It’s all about getting proper coaching and in a system that fits him well. But IMO in maybe two years he could be one of the better players at that position. Everything is about development at this level how fast and hw effective. Mario Henderson is still learning so are Satele and some others this is a very young team. that’s what I keep trying to get accross to these guy’s.
It just needs a coach that can bring it all together and make it work. Yes we need some pieces this offseason in some areas badly(OLine, MLB) but the rest is how fast they will develope. If Russell can develope over the next two years into his potential WOW!! now DHB is an awesome weapon.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
I’m not sure about Hackett he may take a lesser role but he would be great for Russell’s technigue while the passing game itself, Jackson should take complete control. Jackson has a HUGE responsibility from Russell to DMC to DHB and so on. I’m hping he is the right man at the right time.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
We need to let DHB grow into the next Cliff Branch. Give the kid some time. I think he’ll ome around fine as soon as we settle the QB problem. I still feel we should move DMac permanently to slot WR. He can do a ton of damage there on mismatches. He’ll also be able to run some reverses from there too. DMac is of value as long as he doesn’t go between the tackles. Our BIG NEEDS have been identified here numerous times – BIG UGLIES and 2 – LB’s (MLB & WSLB). Scott is doing just fine at SSLB. On the O-line we need a real OLT (moving Henderson to ORT), a top notch center and a ORG assuming we don’t resign & use Walker. The D-Line needs 2 more Seymour’s in the middle. The real weakness is at MLB & WSLB. The real question on our back field is who will play opposite Nhamdi and who will be at the safety positions. Fortunately we have the personnel in-house already so it’s just a matter of who wants it most – competition.
At FB the question is all about O’Neal. Will he be back or not?
Last but not least is he QB position. But, that’s a topic where no agreement can be reached except for what we have is not getting it done. Maybe if we traded for McNabb, we’d be instantly competitive and there’d be someone to mentor JR. Just a thought.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
DMAC needs to line up in the backfield with Bush and then motion out of it to the slot. You need him matched up against a LB or S, not another corner, IMO.
I think the way we started out game 1 against SD was a perfect blueprint for how to use those 2 guys.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
“I have not put a lot of thought into this at this point,” Cable said at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis when asked about naming Russell the starter. “JaMarcus is working and doing the things he should be doing right now. He’ll get himself prepared to compete for the job. I think that’s the only way to look at it.”
February 28th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Nah Debo …
The Raiders don’t do greas board stuff. They only go to the combine with a stop watch.
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Lol. No kidding. Good to see the kids have gone to bed and the grownups like you and Priest are talking about FOOTBALL. Wish I could join, but I’ve got to step out. Catch up with you guys later.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
Jhill,
I gaurantee you even in that quote by Cable the naysayers will pick out whatever they can spin that negative and blow it out of proportion. When if you just let it say what it’s saying. It’s simple the kid will compete……period
February 28th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
LOL, I know Priest.
Funny thing is why is Grads not he hands down starter if he was so good? Why does Russell even have another shot at it?
February 28th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I know if you listen to Vegas and some others Russell would be cut. This is going to be a very interesting offseason. I have a gut feeling this is going to be our best offseason in years and make a difference in next year. If we can stay healthy at the right spots I think we will be very competitive. But we haven’t signed or drafted a single player so far so we’ll see.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Don’t recall the “Grad is so good”.
What I recall is, in every single aspect…from ball control, touch on the ball, pocket awareness, footwork, going through reads, td to interception ration, and LEADERSHIP, Grad easily was better than Russell.
Grad is the lesser of the two evils is what it boils down to.
And no one here honestly believes that Cable, of all people, is going to decide who starts next year…do you?
February 28th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Uh oh…..I do believe Priest is about to start predicting HUGE things for the 2010 Oakland Raiders. Just like in Feb ‘09 and Feb ‘08 and ‘07 and……..Bound to be right one of these years, I guess.
Still cant believe there are guys on here who think Bruce “Journeyman” Gradkowski is the answer at QB. Un freakn real.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
If Bruce Gradkowski is the opening game starter at QB this franchise will not snap the 10+ loss streak for 5 years.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
1- OT: Williams, Davis, or Campbell
2- DT: L Houston
2- ILB: Spikes (trade our 3rd & 5th to move up to draft Him)
3- WR/ KR: Jacoby Ford
4- DE: Austen Lane
5- OG: M Johnson, JJ, Ciron Black, or CB: Walter Thurmond
7- DT: Demarcus Granger or FB
Make it Happen Al!!
Houston, Spikes, and Austen Lane will contribute and help the Defense improve.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
While DHB shouldn’t have been drafted where he was and we had definite other needs. The kid isn’t nearly as bad as some make out.
RICHOCHET: But HE IS. Find me any web site, any sports cast, any media outlet that states he’s NOT BAD?? you can’t..because it’s not out there.
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He was playin g under a ton of pressureand didn’t handle it well.
RICHOCHET: In other words he IS BAD, but that’s your excuse? Anyway you spin it, it’s STILL AN EXCUSE ON WHY HE SUCKED.
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He is a very rare specimen
RICHOCHET: And you’re an idiot. That’s why you get so much crap..because of stupid statements like that. “Bey is a rare specimen” “Russell is a rare specimen”…Again, YOU’RE A FREAKING MORON for even trying to run that BS.
Both are close to bust stage. Both were at the bottom in their position, and both looked horrible.
Your problem? You think a rocket arm that has no control is a “rare specimen”..and that someone who’s “fast, but can’t catch the ball” is a rare specimen.
Both where bad picks by Al.
You’re just going to have to deal with it, or do as you always do…MAKE EXCUSES WHY THEY SUCK.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Rich,
Maybe you aren’t saying Grads is good, but most other folks shoot down the notion of even Losman getting a shot. There are is definitely a “GRADS IN ‘10″ faction out there. And without question there is a Grads is way better than Russell camp. So if the coach and owner who already had this guy as a 3rd stringer are still in place, why would I suspect Russell just gets handed the #1 job?
February 28th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Hey..it’s RaiderRon.
Aren’t you the one who stated “I don’t get all excited about wins or losses”?? Wasn’t that you?
Where you stated “I’ll support a winning team, and when the Raiders start winning again, I’ll come back and support them”??
Lol..that was you, wasn’t it?
February 28th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
I agree..Losman SHOULD get a shot. Grad just played better, but he’s not the answer, and not the future..
And why would he be handed the job?
It’s Al, right?
I mean, hasn’t stranger things happened?
Even when Cable benched JR, (most believe Al told him to, or he got permission to) Cable announced after the game that Grad was starting the next year, and also added that he cleared it with Al (dumb comment, BTW..I mean…WTF even mention it?).
Grad/Losman/whoever will have to play MUCH better than JR in preseason to take the starting job…if it’s just marginally better, I believe Al will keep giving JR his shot.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Unless you were a believer in Andrew Walter, how can you say that Jamarcus Russell was a bad pick? Not talking hindsight, but at the time the pick was made.
I think we already agreed the “plan” for Russell was flawed from the start.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
Was listening to Micheal Irvin at the combine today. He was bringing up some good points about how WR’s should take smaller quicker steps. It helps them to make faster cuts and have sharper routes. It was more important to him than just blazing speed.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
-L Houston is 6′3 305, a beast against the Run, but he can still rush the passer.
-Austen Lane is 6′6 276, runs a sub 4.7, and has 40 TFL & 23 sacks in 2 season. Long arms & big hands.
- Spikes Is better against the Run than McClain, hits Harder, but not as fast and can’t cover as good.
February 28th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Show me one post where I predicted anything great about any year in the last 4 I never make predictins because injuries are such a huge part of football.
So lie on someone else. I will say and have said many times what I think we are capable of if we can get certain things done. But I never predict anything except what I think a particular player might do.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
If Kiffin and company were still in place, or whoever was the coach Jamarcus’ rookie year, I think you will see a lot more progression.
Russell was simply asked by Cable’s gameplan to do something that he was not ready to do. Especially with 2 rookie WRs, and a shotty Oline. I understand the concerns his teammates have, but I don’t think his progression from shotgun spread offense QB to NFL QB was far enough along for Cable’s plan. Should have been heavy run, and play action off that. Shorter routes like we talked about earlier.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
NorthernD, Michael was just voicing common knowledge for what a great route runner has to do. Long striders have always been thought of as bad route runners. It’s really no different than a RB who high steps the better runner run with the feet barely off the ground that way they can cut easier and quicker.
They’ve beeen preaching that since football was played. Coaches hate highsteppers and most long striders they wont draft them. Because they can’t get in and out of breaks. Football is a game of angles and leverage whoever is better at those things normally can play.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
With the 39th Pick in the 2010 draft..the Raiders take
MUARKICE POUNCEY, C, FLORIDA
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Would be a good pick, but he wont e around at 39th…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
# jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Unless you were a believer in Andrew Walter, how can you say that Jamarcus Russell was a bad pick? Not talking hindsight, but at the time the pick was made.
I think we already agreed the “plan” for Russell was flawed from the start.
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If that’s to me, I never said JR was a bad pick. Turned out bad, obviously, at least so far, but at the time team needed a qb, and JR seemed a lock.
Always felt McF was a bad pick, because he wasn’t a need.
Felt Bey was a bad pick because a handful of WR’s were all listed as better, and most have turned out better..but with JR?
That’s more on him not applying himself to actually see how good he could get. Not getting in top shape..not studying and learning everything he can…not working his ass off to be the qb, and maybe even a leader.
Almost sad in seeing how this young guy is letting this opportunity slip by..or at least it seems he is.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
O,
I disagree with locking in to a position in Rd 1 and 2. We need to simply take the best player on the board at a position of need. Once you get past Okung and Davis in Rd 1, I think you need to look at another position.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
Not sure if i see BRL progressing when kiffin didnt want him in the first place…. BRL is a bum…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Great post Jhill, it’s hard to believe how so few people understand that.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
RD 1 OL
RD 2 OL or CODY
RD 3 OL
RD 4 OL
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February 28th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
- Jacoby Ford has 111 catches, and over 1500 yards rec in 2 seasons. He us 5′9 185, and runs a 4.28.
-OT: I’ll take Okung, Williams, Davis, Campbell, or reach for Brown. No Bugala!!
-We sign the best C available, try to trade TK for more picks, and cut Walker, Warren, and Fargas.
-sign a FB.
All we need is fir JR to improve!
Don’t F up this draft Mr Davis!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
“Skill Player” = Dime a doz….
Build the treches…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
I agree Jhill..certainly isn’t all on JR.
his development, working out, studying, getting in shape…all on JR..but honestly Cable didn’t do much, if anything to further JR, and STILL don’t understand why Javon wasn’t in, and why Bey stayed in as long as he had.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
I like the pouncey kid at C, but he wont be around in the 2nd…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
RD1 OT
RD2 DT
RD2 Spikes
February 28th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
If that’s to me, I never said JR was a bad pick.
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Actaully you did say that in your post to Priest. You said both were bad picks by Al. You’re right though, it hasn’t quite turned out how Al expected. I think he has without question gotten in his own way in that regard. Kiffin and Knapp had Russell on the right track. Cable and Cable weren’t quite up to the task, but maybe Cable and Jackson might be a little better.
DMAC was a good pick, IMO. Him and Bush are a perfect compliment to each other and DMAC is a HUGE threat to score outside the tackles and matched up against a S or LB.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Do you guys like DT L Houston from Texas in the 2nd? If the draft wasn’t as strong in the DT position, I think he would be a 1st RD pick.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:15 pm
Not sure if i see BRL progressing when kiffin didnt want him in the first place
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I don’t believe Kiffin held that grudge like Al says. Kiffin was still calling Russell after he was “let go” by the Raiders. Russell had nothing but good things to say about Kiffin, and he certainly was “working” under Kiffin. One of the first guys in the building early in the AM. OF course his mentor Uncle Ray was still living with him then too. Just sayin …
February 28th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
his development, working out, studying, getting in shape…all on JR..but honestly Cable didn’t do much, if anything to further JR, and STILL don’t understand why Javon wasn’t in, and why Bey stayed in as long as he had.
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That about sums it up.
Good discussion folks. Catch y’all tmw.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Jhill,
You have seen my list.
Suh, McCoy, Okung, Davis, Williams, McClain , Haden, or Campbell.
Any of those players will make me happy. That’s 8 players and we have the 8th pick! IMHO other than Berry, all other players are a reach at 8!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
I never give BRL a break but i will say this, emotionally not sure what uncle ray meant to him.
He may have lost complete interest in everything…
We all know how tough itr is to lose someone, and the recovery process takes time. So good point…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
You’re right, I did state both were bad picks.
As it turned out, the last 3 draft choices TURNED OUT to be back picks..but of the three JR was one I thought was the right one…at least at the time.
Maybe the pressing question is…how would JR have turned out, at this point, IF HE HAD A HEAD COACH that kicked ass?
That made him step up?
Who held him accountable?
Who DEMANDED he be early, and stay until the HC was comfortable with where he was, and how he was doing?
Instead of everyone walking on eggshells, and just “hoping” he step it up, and mature, and do what he’s supposed to?
Some people do better when someone’s kicking them in the ass, and demanding better (Vernon Davis is a good example)
February 28th, 2010 at 10:21 pm
# SteveAlford21 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
RE: Anyone who says to take Dez or ANY players other than an OT in the 1st round…
Emmitt Smith. Troy Aikman.
Smith is far from the greatest RB in NFL history. His stats are due to the Line behind which he played. Aikman didn’t “get old” and start getting concussions: his linemen started getting old and retiring/being traded/becoming FAs… letting Aikman get hit a lot more. Behind an average line, Aikman is an average QB and Smith is a pedestrian back. We don’t need “playmakers” as some of you keep saying… we need dominant players on the line who will make the rest of our offense look like superstars (some might already be, if given enough time for a play to develop).
Using our 1st pick on anything other than OT doesn’t leave us with several more picks to use on the line… not the way you guys think. What we do with that 1st pick affects every pick thereafter. I’d rather have top OL prospects and miss out on Dez than get Dez and have lower-tier line prospects. We don’t have the luxury of taking a “playmaker” when we have a horrid line… not when there are four top-15 OTs… and then a huge talent dropoff after that, meaning that we won’t get an elite lineman if we pick anything else… we’ll be taking second-shelf whiskey and trying to make it Middletons. If you disagree, you don’t understand football. Games are won and lost in the trenches.
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I agree….to a certain extent….remember most of those Super Bowl Cowboy O-Linemen were NOT drafted within the top 10 picks.
I think the highest O-Linemen they took was Eric Williams and I think he was a Round 2 selection.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:18 pm
Jhill,
You have seen my list.
Suh, McCoy, Okung, Davis, Williams, McClain , Haden, or Campbell.
Any of those players will make me happy. That’s 8 players and we have the 8th pick! IMHO other than Berry, all other players are a reach at 8!
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Rather have Dez Bryant ahead of Haden and Berry…..easily.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
The NFL and college football is diffrent from the cowboy era. Ccollege players from the major conf are NFL ready… USC could give the raiders a run for their money….
February 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Rather have a good O line….
February 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
My top 10 players:
1- Suh
2- McCoy I don’t care that’s he is not 6′1, and over 300 pounds. The kid can play.
3- Berry
4- Okung
5- Haden
6- McClain
7- Davis
8- Williams
9- Campbell
10- SPOON. I really this kid!!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Williams is pro ready would take him before a WR…
Williams at 1 T, and Hendeson at T. Move up and get pouncey at C, draft a G in the 3rd..
February 28th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
# priesttj Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
I know if you listen to Vegas and some others Russell would be cut. This is going to be a very interesting offseason. I have a gut feeling this is going to be our best offseason in years and make a difference in next year. If we can stay healthy at the right spots I think we will be very competitive. But we haven’t signed or drafted a single player so far so we’ll see.
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Oh oh….don’t start….not again like the past 5 years.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
LT Hendeson/Williams
LG Gallery
C Pouncey
RG – Barnes, or rookie 3rd
RT Williams Henderson
February 28th, 2010 at 10:33 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Williams is pro ready would take him before a WR…
Williams at 1 T, and Hendeson at T. Move up and get pouncey at C, draft a G in the 3rd..
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Haden and Berry should be low on the teams top ten draft board for two reasons….they don’t to take a CB or S that high….
February 28th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:24 pm
Rather have a good O line….
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Rather have a great QB overall…..
February 28th, 2010 at 10:37 pm
agreed…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
I wouldnt draft a qb unless we can get pike or lefevour
late….
February 28th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
I would trade for troy smith, or j campbell….
actaully smith would be a good pickup as he has a relationship with Hue Jackson…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Dez B has one good year of production. I like the kid, I know he can catch, but he is not a top talent IMHO. (not this draft, and not over the players who are better athletes and have more production.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Actually If we had of drafted correctly the last 2 season, we could have taken Dez B… I like him better than crabtree, would much rather see us go all out oline…
February 28th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
I like the troy smith hue jack connect….
February 28th, 2010 at 10:50 pm
1- OT: T Williams
2- DT: L Houston
2- ILB: B Spikes (trade a 3rd & 5th)
February 28th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:39 pm
I wouldnt draft a qb unless we can get pike or lefevour
late….
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Clausen is going to be good. I would rather have Clausen ahead of Juggs Russell any day of the freakin week!
Lefevour would be a good 3rd round pick.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
We need to stop the RUN!!!
February 28th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
We need to score points, keep our D off the field….
February 28th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Dez B has one good year of production. I like the kid, I know he can catch, but he is not a top talent IMHO. (not this draft, and not over the players who are better athletes and have more production.
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Nah….I think we can assume Dez would have two great productive years if he would have played the whole season this past year and not been suspended over some stupid NCAA rule.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
What was our time of possesion….
Our D was on the dield becuase Cable/BRL ineptitude.
February 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
Dez B is hard…. But we need T,G,C….
February 28th, 2010 at 10:58 pm
How many 3 and outs did we avg a game?
February 28th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
It would be great to see the Raiders fill their needs through free agency but not overpay….and concentrate on getting productive talented beasts playmaking beasts thru the draft…..but most free agents don’t wanna come here….unless they get overpaid. Ugh…
February 28th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
8th pick
okung, davis, williams….
February 28th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Which means that they are only about the money and not trying to help build the franchise…
February 28th, 2010 at 11:05 pm
Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
8th pick
okung, davis, williams…
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Okung won’t be there unfortunately….so lets hope it’s Davis or Williams.
I like Davis…his style of play reminds me Michael Ohers style. He can do it all basically….with POWER and he can move.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:55 pm
We need to score points, keep our D off the field….
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Uh, yeah. You just figuring this out?
February 28th, 2010 at 11:07 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Which means that they are only about the money and not trying to help build the franchise…
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Yep….
February 28th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Dez B is gonna be another Boldin and A Johnson type……he is a beast, who CAN catch the ball and run routes and he will run a 4.4 at his pro day…..and if he is there at #8….the Raiders will pass on him because of DHB…..sheesh….
February 28th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Yep just figuring it out, I am a little slow, just like Mr. Davis….
February 28th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
I think we are much closer to having a good unit on Defense than we are on offense. Once we fix the Defense then it can help carry thecOffense till it develops.
1- OT T Williams
2- DT L Houston
2- ILB B Spikes
We can go heavy on OL after that..
February 28th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
# Raiders4eve Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Jhill
Bro, stop your infatuation about TK, you never played DT in your life, you can watch the tape but do you really understand what is the problem with TK? Do you really think he is good based on stats? Come on bro, you a wise guy when it comes to many things, but on this topic you are way off. I hope you take this criticism lightly. Now, I want critic you without backing up what I am saying.
Here is a quote from Sapp on why Kelly sucks
“As for Tommy Kelly, he never played (tackle), he was at end. Then he had a knee injury, and I never had the chance to teach him the intricate parts of the three-technique. (He is) a 6-6, 330-pound country kid from Mississippi who is strong as all outdoors. Can he play the position? Yes. But there are certain things about (defensive tackle) … “If you (stand) too high, he’s going to get knocked around, and at 6-6, low man wins in the trenches, and once you get knocked around, you get a little apprehensive.”
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All about power, technique and leverage.
Thats why I rate RDE Brandon Graham ahead of Pierre-Paul, and Derrick Morgan at the DE position.
Graham is a beast who uses his power, technique and speed, along with his low center of gravity to his advantage. Graham also has room to add 10 pounds of muscle.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
What was our time of possesion….
Our D was on the dield becuase Cable/BRL ineptitude.
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Dude, won’t argue about the ineptitude of our offense. But let’s call the defense what it is. We suck period! When we’re on the field a short time, we give up big plays. Or we can’t get off the field because we get gashed in the running game. If the O turns it over, it’s a TD. There should’nt be any illusions about the D. We suck.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
I think we are much closer to having a good unit on Defense than we are on offense. Once we fix the Defense then it can help carry thecOffense till it develops.
1- OT T Williams
2- DT L Houston
2- ILB B Spikes
We can go heavy on OL after that..
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I would be happy with this draft…but I think Spikes will not be there in Round 3. How about this one below….
1. OT Williams or OT Davis
2. DT Houston
3. MLB M Johnson or DE Corey Wootton
3. OG J Jerry
3.
February 28th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Yep just figuring it out, I am a little slow, just like Mr. Davis….
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Thec07, with all due respects, Al Davis is probably worth $700MM, has three rings, and at your age, not only was he a revered football coach, but he was Commissioner of a Fledgling League that ended up being worth billions and billions of dollars. What have you ever done? No, seriously, what have you done?
February 28th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
Seems like i touched a nerve, what are you related to Mr. Davis…. No let me duess yo get paid somehow by the franchise…that explains it…lol
February 28th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Makes sense to me. If Mr. davis was paying me in some way shape or form i would defend also…lol
February 28th, 2010 at 11:33 pm
this is a good OLine draft, hope we take advatage…
February 28th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Makes sense to me. If Mr. davis was paying me in some way shape or form i would defend also…lol
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No, I’m not paid by the Raiders. But, if you asked me my own history, I graduated with a four year degree at 20, bought a house at 19 which is paid off, had a public corporation at 26, and I do what I want from the age of 29 on. The question still stands….what have you ever done?
February 28th, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Bush, I am not big on stating what I have done in a raider blog no less…
I didnt ask what you have done, but you feel compelled to tell me about you exploits okay.
You should be “proud” of your accomplisnments, but i am not impressed…lol
March 1st, 2010 at 1:07 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 11:35 pm
# Thec07 Says:
February 28, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Makes sense to me. If Mr. davis was paying me in some way shape or form i would defend also…lol
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No, I’m not paid by the Raiders. But, if you asked me my own history, I graduated with a four year degree at 20, bought a house at 19 which is paid off, had a public corporation at 26, and I do what I want from the age of 29 on. The question still stands….what have you ever done?
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LMFAO..you are so full of crap.
Dude…you’re a professional liar as it is.
YOU ALREADY ADMITTED YOU LIVE IN THE GHETTO, NEAR THE COLISEUM..liar.
Oh…and dumbass? Should read before you post…see…you stated YOU WERE IN SCHOOL UNTIL YOU WERE 20?
Yet..lol…YET…YOU BOUGHT A HOUSE WHEN YOU WERE STILL A FULL TIME STUDENT, AT 19?? That’s..uh..paid for?
lol…you’re so stupid you can’t even lie right.
Try it again, cross posting loser.
Definition of Seymour and his cross posting handles?
Compulsive Cross Poster:
The compulsive cross poster is someone who has serious self-image problems. They feel that creating multiple handles, and posting to oneself, and then proceeding to read what they posted, in their own little insecure way, they convince themselves they’re not a loser.
Some compulsive cross posters will actually engage in full conversations with themselves, only to gloat later to everyone how they conquered..well..their self.
Once they are exposed, the compulsive cross poster will always make more new handles, hoping to gain back a little bit of self respect that they never seem to find.
March 1st, 2010 at 5:38 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Been a long weekend!
March 1st, 2010 at 5:44 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.ANYBODY AWAKE ?
March 1st, 2010 at 5:54 am
HWNRDRRR..WHAT WAS YOUR 40-TIME AT THE COMBINE ?
March 1st, 2010 at 6:04 am
1minute and 20 secs…
Oh wait…you mean how fast I ate a double double? LOL
March 1st, 2010 at 6:05 am
Trade DMAC for a double double!
March 1st, 2010 at 6:06 am
Sorry, I totally forgot about the combine…I was too worried about the Tsunami heading towards Hawaii pretty much all day. By the time the all clear sounded, I was like totally out of it!!!
My heart goes out to the Chilean people though!!!
March 1st, 2010 at 6:07 am
Hey Bo, that better be a bunch of double doubles…
March 1st, 2010 at 6:12 am
Hwnrdr, the In N Out people have seen his film, and right now they are only offering one burger… I’ll keep pushin em.
March 1st, 2010 at 6:16 am
I BEEN DRINKING DOUBLE-DOUBLE’S ALL WEEKEND,TRY’N 2 CONVINCE MYSELF 2 RENEW MY SSN-TIX…
March 1st, 2010 at 6:16 am
Only one burger? Haha! i guess they don’t want to waste their product since it might end up on the ground!
March 1st, 2010 at 6:17 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
March 1st, 2010 at 6:16 am
I BEEN DRINKING DOUBLE-DOUBLE’S ALL WEEKEND,TRY’N 2 CONVINCE MYSELF 2 RENEW MY SSN-TIX…
I heard that, Dirt Lot!!!
March 1st, 2010 at 6:29 am
I KEEP COVERING UP THE INVOICE HWNRDR, BUT IT KEEPS MAKING ITS WAY BACK TO THE TOP SOMEHOW..
March 1st, 2010 at 6:30 am
Trade Dmac for a Dirty Burger!
March 1st, 2010 at 6:32 am
I hid the invoice…but I got a call from my rep on Friday!
Funny thing though…and this may be a sign…I tried calling back and got her Voice Mail!!!
March 1st, 2010 at 6:50 am
I believe we should move Seymour. He really only played DT in the 4-3 and was an DE when in a 3-4. So start him at DT..
Our line would be Ellis, Seymour, Kelly, Matt… The backups at DE Jay (would get moves time playing) and Scott moves from OLB to DE on passing downs.. DT we will have Warren and Byrant can play both DE and DT given size. The only problem I see is that some players can’t adjust from left to right and in our case they will need to adjust and be ready to play from both sides.. This make subbing easier and gives the line different looks.
March 1st, 2010 at 6:50 am
Good morning Nation!!
No 4eva I see……
March 1st, 2010 at 6:56 am
Richochet Says:
March 1st, 2010 at 1:07 am
lol…you’re so stupid you can’t even lie right.
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Yep…….ROFLMAO…..
March 1st, 2010 at 6:57 am
Yeah, 4eva is working on getting his own comp…hopefully!
March 1st, 2010 at 7:06 am
jhill Says:
February 28th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
If Kiffin and company were still in place, or whoever was the coach Jamarcus’ rookie year, I think you will see a lot more progression.
Russell was simply asked by Cable’s gameplan to do something that he was not ready to do. Especially with 2 rookie WRs, and a shotty Oline. I understand the concerns his teammates have, but I don’t think his progression from shotgun spread offense QB to NFL QB was far enough along for Cable’s plan. Should have been heavy run, and play action off that. Shorter routes like we talked about earlier.
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Ahem…(good morning)
Jamarcus’ best moments as a pro come under Cable at the end of 2008. I thought Cable’s gameplan of Jamarcus in Denver in 2008 ( 10-11, 150 yards, 2 TD’s) is exactly what you are calling for. Kiffin had Russell throwing 20+ passes his last game against the Chargers.
Cable tried to grow Jamarcus in the offseason going in to 2009, and the first week, it worked well. The 20 points at home opening night, was the most points Jamarcus would lead our offense to all year in a game.
Than everything fell apart, but I don’t think you can blame it on being too aggressive in play-calling. We lost games by 30 points, and threw under 20 passes. We threw the second least amount of passes in the NFL last year. We just couldn’t get any first downs and offensively we were as bad as any Raider team, maybe ever. It gave 2006 a run for the money.
They had to bring in Bruce to triage the situation, and he did a bang-up job, especially considering the circumstances. Even Russell looked better after the few games, and certainly benefitted from watching a pro’s pro for once in his career.
Bruce needs to be on the roster for 2010, for no other reason than to push Jamarcus. If truly an open competition this camp and preseason, which I think it will be, it will be a close one.
Bruce, we know, will fight tooth and nail in the preseason, and show his “fire”. Russell will try to show off his arm and unleash some rockets down the field.
Get your popcorn ready.
March 1st, 2010 at 7:13 am
We should go hard at Evans the OG from the Saints. Beast at RG. Dump Fargas for Mike Bell. Make a run at Dansby also.
March 1st, 2010 at 7:38 am
O Mock Draft 8.0:
1- OT: Williams, Davis, or Campbell
2- DT: L Houston
2- ILB: Spikes Trade 3rd & 5th to move up to the 2nd to draft Him.
3- WR/ KR: Jacoby Ford
4- DE: Austen Lane
5- OG: M Johnson, JJ, Ciron Black, of CB: Walter Thurmond
7- DT: Demarcus Granger, or FB
-Move Seymour inside, Trade TK or give him a pay cut, cut Walker, Warren, and Fargas.
-Sign the best C in FA and add a FB.
March 1st, 2010 at 9:29 am
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