## Condo gets second-round tender

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, March 3rd, 2010 at 6:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders retained right of first refusal on Pro Bowl long-snapper Jon Condo with a second-round tender.

It virtually assures Condo will remain with the Raiders unless a team is willing to give up a second-round draft pick as compensation to sign a long-snapper.

With three accrued seasons, the second-round tender will pay Condo $1.684 million this season, more than tripling his 2009 salary of$535,000.

The Raiders have already committed $2 million in salary to punter Shane Lechler and place kicker Sebastian Janikowski this year, each of whom signed$16 million, four-year contracts (with $9 million guaranteed. Linebacker Isaiah Ekejiuba signed a contract last season his agent said made him the highest paid fulltime special teams player in the NFL and is scheduled to make$1.45 million this season.

If you’re keeping score, that’s $7,134 million in salary alone for both kickers, their long snapper and a core special teams player. Isn’t that special. [You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.] ### 349 Responses to “Condo gets second-round tender” 1. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: Uno 2. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: Dos 3. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: The 1967 to 1969 Raiders were the FIRST NFL team to win 12 or more regular-season games in three consecutive seasons. 4. Seymour Bush Says: Man the hits just keep on coming 5. Mistabr0wn Says: Here you go Vegas lets rack up 900 posts talking about Condo. 6. KoolKell Says: But Richochet Your whole life’s pleasure seems to be personal insults. I don’t see any interest in the Raiders at all from you. You just come here to put down people. 7. Mistabr0wn Says: Oakglen, go pet your cat! 8. vegas raider Says: It is clear Al wants to tender everyone, so they are on one-year deals, and his books will be nice and cleaned up for the 2011 lockout. Why else would he tender every RFA? I know it would be nice to get some type of compensation, but guess what, he probably won’t get any. It’s OK to let a guy walk every once and awhile Al. This was a 5 win team, some new blood is OK. 9. vegas raider Says: Mistabr0wn Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:04 pm Here you go Vegas lets rack up 900 posts talking about Condo. ****************************** A little early for the circus act. Can we hold off until 8 or so? 10. Mistabr0wn Says: Sure, 8 is primetime 11. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: Quaterback Cotton Davidson (1962-68) played college football at Baylor. 12. KoolKell Says: Al Davis putting together another roster, is like George Bush putting together another administration. Not hopeful. 13. Mistabr0wn Says: Vegas, its not my fault the circus is here before 8, sheesh Kell is here from 6am till midnight! 14. Seymour Bush Says: # vegas raider Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:07 pm Mistabr0wn Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:04 pm Here you go Vegas lets rack up 900 posts talking about Condo. ****************************** A little early for the circus act. Can we hold off until 8 or so? =================================================== With mistabrOwn, it’s not a circus act. It’s more like watching him dumpster dive and then everyone throws soiled rags in his face. It’s all he knows but he likes it. 15. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: The first Raiders coach was Eddie Erdelatz. He won only 6 of 16 games though, before he was released in the 1961 season. 16. Mistabr0wn Says: Kell, I dont recall BUSH’s cabinet members being tax cheats or self proclaimed Communist. 17. KoolKell Says: Oakglenn once told me, that since you can’t argue with my posts (fact & figures), he has no choice but to respond with insults. Hence, the whining about me posting the same thing all the time. 18. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: The Oakland Raiders franchise was founded in 1960; they were a charter member of the American Football League which formed that year and later merged with the NFL (1970). 19. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: Al Davis became head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 1963. He took control of a team that had gone 9-33-0 in its first three seasons and quickly turned them around, leading the Raiders to a 10-4 record in his first year, and, in the process, earning American Football League Coach of the Year honors. 20. Mistabr0wn Says: Kell, does Barback own a calculator or does he take his shoes off and count his toes? He is going to spend 3 trillion dollars on Health care, cover 30 mil more people with the same # of DR’s & nurses and call it “defecit” neutral….LMAO Kell, even a moron like you can see thats a unmitigated man caused disaster. 21. Mistabr0wn Says: Kell, what do you think about the Treasury Sect cheating on his taxes and then blaming Turbo tax for his errors? Green job’s czar Van Jones being a self proclaimed communist! Eric Holder hiring Lawyers who defend terrorist. Hope & Change right Kell ? 22. KoolKell Says: MistaBrown Take your concerns to the Congressional Budget Office, they disagree with you. 23. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: AI Davis became head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 1963. He took control of a team that had gone 9-33-0 in its first three seasons and quickly turned them around, leading the Raiders to a 10-4 record in his first year, and, in the process, earning American Football League Coach of the Year honors. 24. KoolKell Says: MistaBrown You’ll have a chance in 2012, ok? 25. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: Al Dav1s became head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 1963. He took control of a team that had gone 9-33-0 in its first three seasons and quickly turned them around, leading the Raiders to a 10-4 record in his first year, and, in the process, earning American Football League Coach of the Year honors. 26. Mistabr0wn Says: Ok lets back on Football so Vegas is happy.. WOW….Condo is back, thats great news!!!! A future Hall of Famer! I bet tj told AL to draft that guy!! Just Win baby! 27. vegas raider Says: Kool, Any predictions on Friday’s jobs report? I see the WH is already starting to blame the weather for the upcoming job loss report. 28. vegas raider Says: LOL…late again 29. KoolKell Says: I don’t mind the Condo Tender. 30. Chris in NY Says: “If you’re keeping score, that’s$7,134 million in salary alone for both kickers, their long snapper and a core special teams player.”

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One positive way to look at it is that all 4 of those guys are highly productive … and combined they’re still making $2.4 million less than our 1 bust of a QB. All the more reason to dump JaMarcus and his bloated salary this year and go with Bruce Almighty. 31. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: Al Davis became head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 1963. He took control of a team that had gone 9-33-0 in its f1rst three seasons and quickly turned them around, leading the Raiders to a 10-4 record in his first year, and, in the process, earning American Football League Coach of the Year honors. 32. Chris in NY Says: Long snapper is an odd specialty but Condo has really been flawless at his job the last few seasons. That’s saying something with all the punting Lechler has had to do because we haven’t had a good QB in about 8 years. Plus Condo makes his share of tackles from the LS position. Seems like a lot of money for a snapper, but Condo at least does his job well. 33. Mistabr0wn Says: Kell said the recession was over last year, he loves this booming economy! Nevermind his wife makes the money while he sits here 18 hours a day calling people boobs & brownstains. ________ vegas raider Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:21 pm Kool, Any predictions on Friday’s jobs report? 34. KoolKell Says: Don’t know Vegas, but I hear Small-Business’ are hiring. Joel Prakken, chairman of ADP researcher Macroeconomic Advisers, sees a turnaround on the horizon. “If the recent trend continues, and given first-quarter GDP growth of 5.9%, private employment could rise next month for the first time in two years,” he said. Itty-bitty businesses rebound: A separate employment survey released earlier in the week concluded that the nation’s tiniest businesses are already adding workers. Intuit’s first installment of its new, monthly Small Business Employment Index reported that firms with less than 20 employees added nearly 40,000 net new jobs in February — a sharp contrast to the continued job losses ADP reported. Intuit provides payroll services to small businesses, and based its estimate on online data from 50,000 small business employers. http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/03/smallbusiness/small_business_jobs/ 35. Lynn from Snot Says: tender me AL 36. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: AI Davis became head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 1963. He took control of a team that had gone 9-33-0 in its first three seasons and quickly turned them around, leading the Raiders to a 10-4 record in his first year, and, 1n the process, earning American Football League Coach of the Year honors. 37. Chris in NY Says: 1) The economic rebound is underway. 2) Health care will get passed by the end of the month. 3) 2010 Democratic election losses will be far less than ballyhooed. 4) Obama will be a 2-term president. 5) The national debt will be back under control by the time he leaves office. 38. Richochet Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:03 pm But Richochet Your whole life’s pleasure seems to be personal insults. I don’t see any interest in the Raiders at all in you. You just come here to put down people. ======================== Don’t act stupid (ok, maybe it’s not an act). I’ve had many discussions/agreements/blowups regarding the Raiders…not that you would know. You’ve NEVER had a discussion, EVER. I’ll take on TJ’s idiot takes…dumbass Oakglens, pretty much anyone who babbles incoherently just to babble..regarding the raiders. I’ve challenged many, and most decline, including your boytoy, Lil Beech, to any discussion regarding the Raiders. He wisely tucked tail…NUMEROUS TIMES. You? LMAO..dude..you’re incapable of discussing word one about the Raiders. Not even going to challenge you, because there isn’t one single person on this board that you’ve “discussed” the raiders with…you only know what others write, which you can then cut and paste. OH..LMAO..just remembered..I also busted you on that as well, didn’t I? Well hey, after you get done licking your wounds, feel free to engage anytime you so choose..WE BOTH KNOW YOU’RE INCAPABLE. 39. KoolKell Says: MistaBrown You call people morons, I call you BrownStains, what’s the problem. The Recession is over btw. Just the facts. Google it moron. 40. Seymour Bush Says: vegas raider Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:21 pm Kool, Any predictions on Friday’s jobs report? ================================================= Most analysts think there will be a very small uptick in employment and a very small downtick in the unemployment numbers. I think the exact opposite. I think you will see a small downtick in employment and a small uptick in the unemployment rate. But I am doing this off the top of my head as well. 41. Richochet Says: Reminds me, Kelli..how many homes did you show today? Oh..that’s right…none. yesterday? Oh..damn…you were here all day. Well, then Monday..yeah..that’s it..Monday was your big day? Oops…was here morning noon and night… Well..uh…are you an active realtor? I mean…you know…”active”..like actually gets out and canvasses? 42. KoolKell Says: Whatever Richochet, Im not even trying to read that unreadable shyt. All I know is that you always angry at somebody. 43. Richochet Says: # Richochet Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm Let me see if I have it straight, Oakglen. You graduated at 20? had a company that went public at 26? Bought a house at 19? and..the answer to “how did you buy a house at 19, when you were a full time student?” your answer is “Because I was a rockstar when I was 18″????? LMFAO…is that the current story? 44. KoolKell Says: Richochet Are you in business? 45. Mistabr0wn Says: Chris, this a rhetorical question but are you really this stupid? The WH’s own projections show the defecit rising each year by the trillions. 46. Richochet Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:33 pm Whatever Richochet, Im not even trying to read that unreadable shyt. All I know is that you always angry at somebody. ========== lol…what you mean to say is you CAN’T ANSWER IT, because I’m dead on. what part of you’re here ALL DAY EVERY DAY, WHILE YOUR WIFE IS WORKING confuses you? What part of YOU MAKE LITTLE TO NO MONEY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO CLIENTS confuses you? See…ANY REALTOR WITH EVEN ONE CLIENT can’t sit here..day after day after day…allll day long. You’re a loser, Kelli, and I’ll say it again, you’re a liar. lol…there is no land in Switz…there is no corvette..and that tiny house you showed? it’s not one of a successful realtor..because you aren’t. Dude..after 25 years you’re at entry level realty. ENTRY LEVEL..how is that possible? You an ex-con? that why you can’t get a brokers license? Or are you just “slow”? 47. KoolKell Says: MistaBrown If you really gave a shyt about deficits, you would have been a supporter of Bill Clinton. So, stfu. 48. Richochet Says: Going to make it simple, Kelli…you ever get out and try and sell a house, or get clients? 49. Richochet Says: Still want to hear about OakGlenn being a rock star at 18…gosh, Glenny..that must have been exciting… and…uh…what happened? 50. KoolKell Says: Richocet I don’t think ex-cons can get a Realtors license???? But are you in business? 51. KoolKell Says: Richochet Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm Going to make it simple, Kelli…you ever get out and try and sell a house, or get clients? ————————– What’s it to you? 52. vegas raider Says: Unemployment historically always goes up in Feb and March as the seasonal jobs go away. I expect the same this year. And Chris in NY, I will take your action on point 2,3 and 5. 53. KoolKell Says: Last time there was a Democratic Prez, there was Peace & Prosperity. 54. Seymour Bush Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm Richochet Are you in business? ============================================ Is picking up trash on the side of a highway in between trolling gigs a business? 55. KoolKell Says: Richochet Are you in business………….. cat got your tongue? 56. Seymour Bush Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:37 pm Richochet Are you in business? ============================================= Yeah, he’s the best internet troll there is. Aren’t you wack-o! 57. KoolKell Says: Yeah, he’s the best internet troll there is. Aren’t you wack-o! ————————— He’s not half as good as you, my friend. 58. Seymour Bush Says: Sure koolKell. Whatever you say. I am sure people respect your opinion. Just no people that live on the planet Earth 59. RaiderDebo Says: Report: Jets “extremely” interested in Cromartie Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 3, 2010 9:02 PM ET Rex Ryan needs another starting cornerback, and Antonio Cromartie needs a new team. NFL Network’s Michael Lombardi says that the Jets are “extremely” interested in Cromartie despite some reports to the contrary. (Check out our one-liners Wednesday.) The fit makes a lot of sense. The Jets aren’t afraid to trade draft picks for talent, and few deny Cromartie’s raw skills. Rex Ryan certainly won’t lack confidence that he’s the man that can get the best out of Cromartie. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Damn it! Give us the ranch for Nnamdi! 60. vegas raider Says: I know a few realtors and they don’t do shyt half the time anyways. You only need a couple deals a month to make a living. 61. KoolKell Says: I’d give up Nnamdi for the best DT. Not winning with him either. Anytime you’re 4-12 for 7 years in a row, you’re obviously paying too much. 62. KoolKell Says: One deal a month out here. 63. vegas raider Says: With the prices of R/E out there that makes sense. I say that condo for 440K. Craziness, IMO!!! 64. KoolKell Part Deuce Says: Al Davis became head coach of the Oakland Raiders 1n 1963. He took control of a team that had gone 9-33-0 in its first three seasons and quickly turned them around, leading the Raiders to a 10-4 record in his first year, and, in the process, earning American Football League Coach of the Year honors. 65. KoolKell Says: Walking distance to HQ, Vegas???? Holla at me. 66. vegas raider Says: LOL…. Is that an actual selling point these days? 67. KoolKell Says: http://www.678CentreCourt.com 68. vegas raider Says: I mean it is supernice and right by the water, but those prices are crazy. I would rather pay 140 for my condo, and keep 300K. But that’s just me. 69. KoolKell Says: Everything’s Relative. Einsteen. lol. 70. DKnight007 Says: # vegas raider Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:21 pm Kool, Any predictions on Friday’s jobs report? I see the WH is already starting to blame the weather for the upcoming job loss report. ^^^^^^^^ It’s amazing the amount of lunatics who actually think Obama needs to have already completely turned around this recession in a year and half. A recession that took 8 FREAKIN years for Bush, Cheney and that other lying war criminal Rumsfield to create. The warped thinking amazes me. That type of mindset reminds of the warped delusional mindset of Al Davis and his demon worshippers. LOL 71. KoolKell Says: Al Davis, putting together another Roster. This is the problem, not me. 72. vegas raider Says: Dknight, I am more worried about the fact that Repubs are favored to win 12 of the 14 senate elections this year, according to gallup. That never would have happened on Hillary’s watch. I have never voted for a Repub in my life and am a huge Clinton supporter. Doesn’t mean I will turn a blind eye on what’s going on currently. 73. KoolKell Says: DKnight007, People will be disingenuous to be right. And this is OUR problem as a Country. 74. DKnight007 Says: Who the Raiders SHOULD target at #8: Dez Bryant Trent Williams Anthony Davis Jean Pierre-Paul Brandon Graham Dan Williams Who Al Davis WILL target: Bruce Campbell Taylor Mays Jean Pierre-Paul Ugh….. 75. vegas raider Says: You like that word disingenuous don’t you? You’ve been throwing it around a lot lately. I think charging 469K for a 1,700 square foot condo is disingenuous. 76. Mistabr0wn Says: Kell, Yes I remember. Newt Gingrich forced Clinton to balance the budget. So I supported Gingrich. Clinton was nothing more than a gap toothed hillbilly that married a woman as unattractive as yours. _________ # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm MistaBrown If you really gave a shyt about deficits, you would have been a supporter of Bill Clinton. So, stfu. 77. KoolKell Says: I’d think one of those tackles, but……anybody they draft they’re bound to fuk up. 78. KoolKell Says: Disingenous means, no Integrity. You can’t argue with people without integrity. It’s pointless, no learning. 79. KoolKell Says: I love to talk to people I can learn from. 80. vegas raider Says: KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 7:46 pm Disingenous means, no Integrity ************************ Uhhh….not really. That is a little bit of a stretch. -lacking in frankness, candor, or sincerity; falsely or hypocritically ingenuous; insincere: Her excuse was rather disingenuous 81. Mistabr0wn Says: Like 3rd graders? ________ # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 7:49 pm I love to talk to people I can learn from. 82. vegas raider Says: Now someone who is often disingenous can lack integrity. But the two are not synonymous with each other. 83. KoolKell Says: Main Entry: in·teg·ri·ty Pronunciation: \in-ˈte-grə-tē\ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English integrite, from Middle French & Latin; Middle French integrité, from Latin integritat-, integritas, from integr-, integer entire Date: 14th century 1 : firm adherence to a code of especially moral or artistic values : incorruptibility 2 : an unimpaired condition : soundness 3 : the quality or state of being complete or undivided : completeness synonyms see honesty 84. KoolKell Says: But the two are not synonymous with each other. synonyms see honesty Whatup? 85. vegas raider Says: LMAO at the insurance salesman and the realtor lecturing each other about integrity. Ahhh…..good times 86. vegas raider Says: Yeah honesty and integrity are synonymous. Not disingenous and non-integrable (I made that up) 87. Richochet Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:41 pm Richochet Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:39 pm Going to make it simple, Kelli…you ever get out and try and sell a house, or get clients? ————————– What’s it to you? ============================= Simple question. Not like it’s not easy to figure out. You run your mouth on how well you’re doing, when in fact you don’t work. You have no clients. You never canvass. And you never leave this board. I.E. LOSER…that’s all. 88. KoolKell Says: Richochet YOU DONT KNOW THAT. Besides, what’s it to you? 89. Richochet Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:40 pm Richocet I don’t think ex-cons can get a Realtors license???? But are you in business? ================== I’m sorry, but you’re confused how this works..I asked you about the ex-con thang..you replying “but” isn’t an answer. Care to try it again? I mean, who’s a full time realtor FOR 25 PLUS YEARS who’s still an entry level realtor? No one. Except you. So there must be a good reason. 90. KoolKell Says: Richochet If you could prove me a loser, would you ejaculate all over your hands tonite? 91. Richochet Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 8:04 pm Richochet YOU DONT KNOW THAT. Besides, what’s it to you? ================= SURE I KNOW IT..you live on here. Pretty hard to show houses when you don’t get off your ass. Simple physics. 92. Richochet Says: # KoolKell Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 8:05 pm Richochet If you could prove me a loser, would you ejaculate all over your hands tonite? ================= In other words, you’re reverting to 7th grade level frustration? lol…way to go, Pops. 93. Richochet Says: BTW..I don’t have to prove you a loser…you did that all on your own. Dude..your wife works, and YOU DON’T. You’re an entry level employee who’s been there 25 years. That’s by YOUR admission. How to you grade that? As a massive success? 94. The Real MaddenRaider Says: My god. Cloning Kell’s name, now? What is with you guys? Is this going to make the Raiders better? Do you honestly think that if you run, ran, ran, run, run, ran Kell out of here, that suddenly you guys would be able to discuss 40 times of 3rd string punters without anyone in here venting on Al Davis and how bad the team is run ran ruan run run ran ran? Attack the Davis critics, then make up stories about how hard you party. It’s working, guys. Raiders are getting better every year, and ticket sales are going up. 95. vegas raider Says: I mean, we are all on here a tad much aren’t we? Kind of throwing stones in a glass house there Richochet. 96. The Real MaddenRaider Says: Richochet, how do you get away with being in here so much? Aren’t you married? What kind of wife do you have? Is it one of those wives you bought from a 3rd world country? Because no American married woman in the year 2010 is letting her husband spend this much time on the internet. 97. The Real MaddenRaider Says: Let him go, Vegas. Just let him hang himself with his own rope. Everyone, in case you’re not following, Richochet is now making fun of people for being on here too much. He’s been on here for the past 12 hours! 98. The Real MaddenRaider Says: Richochet’s wife is either a mail order bride that doesn’t speak one word of English, or she’s one of those trailer park broods handed down by arrangement. What woman today lets her husband spend as much time on the internet as his wife does? 99. 24 Says: Why should I go overseas to a war when I can sit here on this blog and watch this one? Get your popcorn ready! 100. The Real MaddenRaider Says: Seymour Bush, are you still insisting that Dungy’s players carried Tampa’s ‘07 team, even though Barber only had two picks that year? Even though Jeff Garcia was a pro bowler? Even though Earnest Graham and Joey Galloway had a thousand yards a piece from scrimmage? Or, have you licked your wounds on that angle and flip flopped back to the “weak schedule” argument? Where are you at on this, now? 101. 24 Says: (Could we please trade our 3rd round pick for Boldin?) Report: Cardinals want a third-round pick for Boldin Posted by Michael David Smith on March 3, 2010 10:33 PM ET Cardinals G.M. Rod Graves has made it clear that his team is willing to trade wide receiver Anquan Boldin. But what would it take to get Boldin out of Arizona? Michael Lombardi reported on NFL Network that the Cardinals “only want a third-round pick” for Boldin. That’s not too high a price for a starting wide receiver. But, Lombardi said, the big sticking point is whether a team acquiring Boldin will be willing and able to fork over the money necessary to make Boldin happy. In other words, Boldin won’t just cost a third-round pick. He’ll cost a third-round pick plus a big new contract. Boldin said after the season ended that he wouldn’t request a trade. But the Cardinals may have come to the realization that their offense is just fine without him, and that they ought to get whatever they can for him. If what they can get is a third-round pick, the Cardinals would apparently be fine with that. 102. The Real MaddenRaider Says: There’s no war here. Wars last years. This is short but sweet. 103. vegas raider Says: We do have TWO 3rd’s. But man, I would rather add depth at the O-line and/or help our Run D over a WR. But a 3rd for Boldin is good value, just not necessarily the biggest need for the team. Kind of a moody dude though. 104. vegas raider Says: Wasn’t Boldin’s teammates celebrating winning the NFC championship, while he was yelling at coaches and walking off the field sulking? Don’t see how that would improve in Oakland. 105. 24 Says: MR – The Raiders could be losing for a lot more years. So long as that is happening, the people here will probably be more aggressive. I don’t know if it will be short and sweet. =) 106. 24 Says: Vegas – After watching our current WR core last year. You’d bet your @$$he could help this team. This team NEEDS toughness and attitude and skill. Just imagine Jamarcus or Bruce actually having someone to rely on. Boldin on one side, Schilens on the other, Murphy in the slot and DHB off the bench. FOR A 3RD ROUND PICK? Thats easy money right there. 107. vegas raider Says: He wants a big contract as well. It would be just like Dick Seymour all over again. Unless you consider a lockout in 2011. With all of Al’s moves: only 1 year tenders so far, franchising Seymour instead of extending, and Cable and most of the staff on the last year of their deals, Al seems to be playing his hand towards that. 108. The Real MaddenRaider Says: 24, calling people out on their b.s. is short and sweet. I don’t engage in war. I engage in short battles, and win most of them. 109. 24 Says: Battling is exhausting. I save it for the most important moments. Besides…I’m not as witty as some. Luckily, we can think before we respond. 110. 24 Says: Vegas – Fuk Al. He tenders people like Routt. He better go out and get a real player like Boldin. Thats all I’m saying. The problem is that Boldin isn’t fast enough for him and we drafted DHB. 111. Raiders4eve Says: Guys, PFT reports that Boldin is available for a third rounder, why doesnt AL get him? 112. vegas raider Says: 24, Can’t disagree with #110. If we tender Routt, and way overpay for no logical reason, than yes a 3rd rounder for Boldin is a sage move. 113. stabler Says: Prediction – Al fires Cable around game 10 or 11 when we only have two wins, Jafatboy is an utter disaster again, and Hue Jackson is named interim coach. Comments? 114. 24 Says: Stabler – I don’t know. Hue Jackson is here to fix Jamarcus. If we’re losing, then Jamarcus is likely struggling and that means Hue Jackson is blamed for wasting Al Davis’ time and money. Hue Jackson would only become interim by way of success. He’d probably promote Sanjay Lal instead. 115. vegas raider Says: A 1st and a 3rd round tender and a 500% pay increase for a guy who got thrown out of as many games as he started. With Al, you pour yourself a nice tall glass of reason, have a seat next to a window, open the window and throw that glass right out the window. 116. stabler Says: 24 – good logic in your answer. But Cable became interim HC not out of any success he had, Al just hates choosing defensive minded head coaches. I think if the season goes down the toilet, Al won’t hesitate to fire Cable before the end of the year. If not Jackson, it’ll be some other asst. on the staff. If it’s Sanjay Lal, we’ll know “Al” is really short for “Alzheimers” 117. 24 Says: What drives me crazy is when people say Asomugha is overrated. Let me say this, “YOU try playing at an ELITE level for 16 games of losing.” The fact is, you’re playing against other professionals. You’re not going to be perfect but Aso does as good a job as anybody. He doesn’t always have a good pass rush and his linebackers whiff on tackles so teams just run, run, run and when they finally pass, the team can be caught off guard. Also, Chris Johnson is the best DB we’ve had on the other side of Aso so hes been challenged a little more than usual. ALSO, John Marshall blitzed more than we’re used to as well which made it especially more difficult to cover under those conditions. When you compare a guy like Asoumugha to a guy like Routt, they are 1 million times different. Routt is constantly getting passed on. He always gets beat for big plays and he misses too many tackles. Hes the JLH on Defense. Aso may not help us win necessarily but hes dominant. 118. 24 Says: I think Tom Cable’s offensive line has had some success but its been when we focused on the running game. When we start straying from that, we start looking terrible. I think thats been biggest mistake made by the coaching staff. 119. 24 Says: Well…its a little slow moving in here. Its 8:49pm and I have to work at 3am which means I have to get up at 2am. Thats 5 hours of much needed sleep in order to survive the day. Goodnight everyone. 120. stabler Says: We must keep Nnamdi! In a pass happy league, and with the pathetic overall defense the Raiders have, a Pro Bowl CB is a huge asset. Besides, we know Al would just waste the draft picks he got in any trade for Nnamdi. As soon as we traded him, we’d then be looking for another corner. 121. Raiders4eve Says: Guys, just a question, if we planning to draft an OL with our 8th overall pick, can’t we save money and get offensive tackle Jared Gaither from Baltimore, he was tendered a first round, is he better then the rookies except Okung? 122. Raiders4eve Says: The only way I trade Asmough is if a team is willing to give up two first rounders and a second. Three high picks is worth it along with our own picks, we can build a new team around Asmough picks, thats if AL drafts legit guys. 123. Seymour Bush Says: Let’s have some fun here: The Real MaddenRaider Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 8:33 pm 24, calling people out on their b.s. is short and sweet. =================================================== The Real MaddenRaider Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 8:12 pm Let him go, Vegas. Just let him hang himself with his own rope. ================================================ Now, let’s go back to the original discussion that RealMaddenRaider and I were having before he went out dancing in the clubs and loading up his brain on amyl nitrate. 124. stabler Says: I don’t think Gaither is Pro Bowl quality. It would sure be nice to pick someone for any position on the OL, even Guard or Center, who you could plug in for the next decade and who would be a consistent Pro Bowl level player. I don’t think Gaither is that good. 125. stabler Says: I don’t think any team would give up two firsts and a second for Nnamdi. I don’t even think we could get two firsts for him. 126. Seymour Bush Says: # Silver-n-Smac Says: March 2nd, 2010 at 12:29 pm Seymour Bush Says: March 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm Real MaddenRaider please name all the great players Gruden and Allen drafted during their 8 years in Tampon Bay, when they had full control of the roster. ************************************* I second that. Come on Madden: Start naming those future Tampa hall-of-famers, please. ================================================ So basically what our argument was is who has Gruden ever developed? What I said was he won with Dungy and Mckays draft choices and he loaded the team with aged veterans exactly like he did here. When they had to turn the roster over, they had developed no one. 127. stabler Says: We’ve sucked for twenty years except the brief window when Gruden was here. And Tampa when their only Super Bowl with Gruden. That’s good enough for me, no matter who he developed or didn’t develop. 128. Seymour Bush Says: # Seymour Bush Says: March 2nd, 2010 at 12:58 pm # The Real MaddenRaider Says: March 2nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm Seymour, I don’t know if I would call any of Gruden’s draft picks in Tampa great, but some of them were good enough to help his team win two division titles, unlike Al Davis’s hand picked talents, who’ve yet to muster up 6 wins in a season since 2003. ============================================ No. He won those division titles and one world title with Dungy and McKays guys. Once he took over the roster he drove it into the ground. For the second time. the lst time was here. =============================================== 129. stabler Says: We sucked before Gruden was here, we sucked when he left. I don’t see how Gruden drove our roster in the ground. The only time we’ve been halfway decent in twenty years was with Gruden. I’ll always be a big fan of that guy, no matter what he does the rest of his career. 130. RaiderRon Says: Whos “guys” won 3 AFC West titles in a row? Whos “guys” played the Bucs in the Superbowl? 131. NorthernD Says: IMO, there’s only one reason to sign Routt to such a high offer. The Raiders must have Asomugha on the trade block. Or Chris Johnson. Most likely Asomugha. 132. stabler Says: And remember, the reason Al got rid of Gruden is because Gruden wanted control over the roster and the coaches, which Al would never permit. If anyone, Al drove our roster into the ground. (But Al also helped the roster during the Gruden years by making some wise FA pickups.) 133. RaiderRon Says: Anyone who blasts Gruden as a Raider not only is a moron but also doesnt REALLY care if the Raiders win or lose. 134. NorthernD Says: Raiders4eve Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 8:52 pm Guys, just a question, if we planning to draft an OL with our 8th overall pick, can’t we save money and get offensive tackle Jared Gaither from Baltimore, he was tendered a first round, is he better then the rookies except Okung? ============================ Giving up a first for Gaither would be too high. #8 overall is too high for him. 135. NorthernD Says: If the Cards only want a third for Boldin, they obviously want him off the team. They might end up cutting him anyway. I would wait and take that chance instead of giving them a third. 136. Seymour Bush Says: So after all of that we get this response: # The Real MaddenRaider Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 8:18 pm Seymour Bush, are you still insisting that Dungy’s players carried Tampa’s ‘07 team, even though Barber only had two picks that year? Even though Jeff Garcia was a pro bowler? Even though Earnest Graham and Joey Galloway had a thousand yards a piece from scrimmage? Or, have you licked your wounds on that angle and flip flopped back to the “weak schedule” argument? Where are you at on this, now? ===================================================== So you are saying that Gruden drafted and developed Joey Galloway even tho he was 13 years in the league at that point? How about Garcia? Got to give Gruden credit for drafting him. And let’s not forget Luke Petigout the starting tackle he “drafted” from the NY Giants. Jeremy Stevens? Drafted him from Seattle. He Also “drafted” Kevin Carter 13 years in, and Chris Hovan 9 years in, who joined Simeon Rice and Greg Spires who just happened to be holdovers from the Dungy/McKay years. But let’s not forget how well he “developed” Cato June right off Indy’s roster. Gruden even signed Phillip Buchanon who he really drafted while he was here! Gruden did sign David Boston who was a complete bust on that team. No really who on that 07 9-7 Division Championship team did Gruden draft and develop? Well, Gaines Adams he took #3 overall, not only did Tampon Bay give up on him, HE’S FOOKING DEAD! So, yes the three real or four real players on that roster were either drafted or signed by Dungy and Rich McKay. Put down the amyl dude, you are embarrassing yourself. 137. NorthernD Says: Gruden is a great head coach. He may not be good GM. The two are separate jobs. 138. Seymour Bush Says: # RaiderRon Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 9:07 pm Anyone who blasts Gruden as a Raider not only is a moron but also doesnt REALLY care if the Raiders win or lose. ====================================================== “Bronco” Ron, this discussion is a little beyond your cranial capacity. As a matter of fact, it is WAAAY beyond your cranial capacity. But, there might be a piece of gum on the sidewalk that might still have some flavor left in it. 139. The RaiderCast | Condo gets second-round tender Says: [...] Read more. [...] 140. Seymour Bush Says: NorthernD Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 9:15 pm Gruden is a great head coach ========================================== If Jon Gruden were a great head coach, do you not think he would have a job by now? And I mean a job somewhere? anywhere? 141. NorthernD Says: He can pick and choose the job he wants. My feeling is that he’s resting up. The guy is super intense. It’s hard too maintain that level over a long period of time. He’ll be back. 142. Seymour Bush Says: What Jon Gruden did was never develop anyone, filled his roster with old veterans and then the roster was old and in deep deep trouble. It happened here, it is now the exact same case in Tampon Bay. What do you believe, me or your own eyes? 143. Seymour Bush Says: Jon Gruden developed Jerry Rice. Suuuuuureee he did. 144. NorthernD Says: I’m amzed at Ray Lewis still being so intense out there after all those years. Most players would have burned out by now. Coaches burn out too. But unlike players, they can take a few years off and then get back into it. 145. Seymour Bush Says: NorthernD he didn’t take a few years off. He got fired. And he has been looking for a Head Coaching job ever since. 146. Seymour Bush Says: Don’t get me wrong, I like Chucky. I like what he did here. But he ain’t Vince Lomardi either. 147. NorthernD Says: Gruden didn’t develop those players. He maximaized what they had. He re-energized Rice and brought him back from the scrap heap. He may not have a great eye for talent, or be great at developing players, but he does put them in a position to maximize their talents. He puts them in position where they can win. That’s what a good coach will do. There’s an old quote about Vince LOmbardi. It’s said that he could beat you with his players, then turn switch teams and beat you with yours. That reminds me of Gruden. He not a GM, or a coach of young players, but he will get your team a “W.” 148. Seymour Bush Says: NorthernD, after he beat us in the Super Bowl with Dungy’s guys, the very next year he posted a losing record. What Jon Gruden did was get some TREMENDOUS veteran players here. Gannon, Romonowski, Rice, Garner, Wheatley, and he won with them. They were excellent players and they were hungry. Guys like Rice and Romo knew how to win. But then, you have an old roster that needs to be rebuilt. He tried to do the same thing in TB and it caught up to him quickly. 149. Sweep The Leg. Says: # Chris in NY Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 6:29 pm 5) The national debt will be back under control by the time he (Obama) leaves office. ====================================================== We all just became dumber, by reading that. Really? REALLY?? 150. Sweep The Leg. Says: You know what Chris in NY, in a way you’re right. It will be under control, of the CHINESE. Ahh, forget it, who cares right? ======================================================== Anyways………….TENDER THIS AL!!! 151. NorthernD Says: Not all of those guys were tremendous before they showed up on the Raiders. But I do think Gruden got the most out of them. He’s not a GM. I think he had too much say when it came to re-building Tampa Bay. Some people have a knack for evaluating talent. I don’t think he does. Parcells could coach, but he also has an eye for talent. I doubt Gruden will ever end up as just a GM. It doesn’t seem to be his thing. But as an on the field coach, there are few better. 152. NorthernD Says: Gruden had that “feel” for the game that Cable doesn’t have. Knowing when to run or throw deep. Whether to punt, or go for it on fourth down. When to attack a defence or when to slow it down. Some coaches never learn that. They’re always one step behind. Gruden always seemed to be one step ahead. 153. Seymour Bush Says: But his job as Head Coach is also to DEVELOP guys. That’s his job. His job is to teach guys how to play their positions better. His specialty was QB. He didn’t develop Gannon because he didn’t need to. But he didn’t develop Tuiososopo either. And he developed NO ONE in TB in fact everyone there failed. The last few years here we should have had some guys who were 8,9, 10 year guys at the ends of their careers to show some leadership here. There was no one. Why not? 154. stabler Says: As much as I love the Raiders, we’ve sucked and been basically irrelevant for twenty years, except when Gruden was coach. The Super Bowl year, that was Gruden’s offense and schemes, obviously. Holmgren = excellent coach, bad GM. Same thing with Gruden, most likely. Everybody on this blog would take Gruden in a minute over any of the othter clowns we’ve had in here – Cable, Bugel, White, Norvus, Shell, et al. 155. Seymour Bush Says: NorthernD I think a lot of that is the VETERAN players. Like Gannon or Brown or Rice. They would know when to take a shot or what to do on the field. Shoot, I could’ve coached Jerry Rice or Rich Gannon. All I would have had to do is stay out of their way and do whatever they wanted. Guys like that are easy to coach and develop. I don’t think I could coach a Jamarcus or a DHB. 156. Seymour Bush Says: Bruce Allen was the GM, not Gruden. But they did work in tandem. that is pretty evident. 157. stabler Says: Mr. Bush – I don’t know if I buy your “development” argument as strongly as you do. A player is what he is. A coach can motivate, scheme the gameplan, etc. but I don’t think a coach so directly develops a player as you seem to believe. Especially here, with how Al interferes with choosing the starting roster, defensive scheme, draft, free agents, etc. 158. Seymour Bush Says: Stabler I think what you are saying is right and in fact that is the new future of the NFL. The time of guys like Holmgren or parcells or Jimmy Johnson who were both GM and HC are over. Even Shanahan who basically ran the thing in Denver is now working with Bruce Allen in Washington. It’s going be funny to see how that works out. 159. Seymour Bush Says: stabler Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 10:02 pm Mr. Bush – I don’t know if I buy your “development” argument as strongly as you do. A player is what he is. A coach can motivate, scheme the gameplan, etc. but I don’t think a coach so directly develops a player as you seem to believe. ====================================================== Oh absolutely. Head Coaches will sit there for hours and hours and work on players footwork, their arm techniques, where the receivers plant their feet, how to use their hands and they can do the same thing with the kickers! As a matter of fact almost EVERY SINGLE COACH will talk about teaching as his job. Game planning and xing and oing is pretty basic for these guys. 160. stabler Says: Mr. Bush – so do you think Al will go down with the ship alone, and never choose a GM? I say he stays stubborn till the end, as continues to try to do everything by himself. 161. stabler Says: It’s probably the position coaches then who are most responsible for development. 162. Seymour Bush Says: # stabler Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 10:09 pm It’s probably the position coaches then who are most responsible for development. ============================================== Again, not at all. You have to understand, most of the head coaches in the NFL have been around the game for 30-40 years in practically EVERY aspect of the game. They were graduate assistants at colleges, who went on to coach special teams, then maybe tight ends, then LB’s, so they are extremely well rounded. You guys make fun of Cable but not only is he one of the most respected Oline coaches on earth, but he ran the offenses at both Colorado and UCLA and both were very highly ranked offenses and to do that you have to know Quarterbacking, line stunts, running games, pass patterns. You guys may not believe it, but he does know a lot about football. 163. Seymour Bush Says: # stabler Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 10:08 pm Mr. Bush – so do you think Al will go down with the ship alone, and never choose a GM? I say he stays stubborn till the end, as continues to try to do everything by himself. ================================================ Honestly Stabler, I think he WANTS to turn it over to someone, but can’t find someone he trusts enough to do it. What I said about Gruden/Allen I think is the kiss of death for any GM being hired by Al. I honestly believe Al turned the franchise over to Gruden and Allen and they did what I said in the prior ten posts, which irked Al’s ASS! The huge mistake Davis made, was he took over the roster Allen/Gruden left and went for his patented “reload not rebuild” mode with Randy Moss and Kerry Collins among others. Once that failed, I think he has been taking over MORE responsibility for the franchise, not less. 164. stabler Says: Cable may know a lot about football, I just have the feeling he’ll never be a good head coach. Remember his record at Idaho. 165. stabler Says: I think the main problem Al had with Gruden was simple jealousy. Jealous of the publicity, jealous that Gruden’s Chucky face was now the face of the franchise. I heard commentary from some ex-coach a couple years ago, I can’t remember who, that said when you have a franchise that has been bad, consistently, for so long, it is an accumulation of a massive number of bad decisions, in all areas. Draft, FA, poor play calling, and on and on and on. It was just nice that we had a brief respite when Gruden was here. Now, it’s deja vu all over again. I just hope they’re not a joke again this season. I’ve been a fan since the 70’s (hence the Stabler user ID) 166. Seymour Bush Says: # stabler Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm Cable may know a lot about football, I just have the feeling he’ll never be a good head coach. Remember his record at Idaho. ==================================================== Yeah, but remember it’s not like he was taking over a USC or Alabama program that just played a BCS game and then he posted that record. Idaho was nothing when he got there, and not much when he left. Now, 20 years later, it’s still not on the map. That might have to do with a lot more things like the administration support, the facilities, the alumni support, than how good a coach Tom Cable is. Saying what you said, remember Jon Gruden went in and won a Super Bowl. The next year, he couldn’t even post a winning record with the same team. I think that is more telling than Cable taking over an Idaho program. 167. Seymour Bush Says: Stabler #165 is completely right on. I think we all deserve better. All of us. 168. stabler Says: Prediction – the new Notre Dame coach (the guy from Cincy) will be a head coach in the NFL in three years and Cable will be his line coach! 169. NorthernD Says: I don’t think Al was jealeous of Gruden so much as he didn’t trust him. Al was once the brilliant young head coach too. And he used that to gain power over the Raiders and eventually to own them. He will never let a young coach have too much power over the team for fear of the same thing happening to him. Al will never give up control. Stubborn old men usually just get more stubborn. 170. NorthernD Says: stabler Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 10:22 pm Cable may know a lot about football, I just have the feeling he’ll never be a good head coach. Remember his record at Idaho. ============================ Yep. Although I agree with the positive mindset he has tried to establish on the team, I think he will continuously be one step behind the opposing coaches. To me, he is a much worse O co-ordinator than a head coach though. 171. stabler Says: Al trusts no one but the toadies he can completely dominate (Herrera, Trask, etc.) Normal people, like Gruden, eventually leave. So sad to see an 80 year old man just be laughed at by everyone now. One of the 5 or 10 most important figures in the history of football, and he can’t let go, even a little bit. 172. stabler Says: Agreed – Cable as an O coordinator is a disaster, maybe he can be a decent head coach if he concentrates on the environment, attitude, and motivation, and has great coordinators. And Al’s destructiveness is minimized. 173. NorthernD Says: They wait five years after a player is finished playing before they can vote them into the hall of fame. I’m sure the writers are reconsidering Al’s selection after these recent years. 174. SteveAlford21 Says: Good morning (1:52am here in Virginia), Raiders fans! How is everyone and what is the topic at hand? 175. Chris in NY Says: The more I see of Bruce Campbell’s combine workout the more I’m intrigued. You’re talking 6-6, 315 with probably less than 5% body fat. As fast as the No. 1 TE prospect in the draft. Extremely long arms and yet was able to post 30+ reps on the bench press. Very fluid athlete. Credited with good natural knee bend in pass blocking drills. Reportedly called by several longtime NFL sources “the most impressive physical speciman” they’ve ever seen. I don’t know. I’ve seen some game tape on him and wasn’t all that wowed. But it’s not like he can’t play either. At times he’s very good. I think the biggest thing is he just seems a little unsure of himself out there. He really only had like 15 starts or something and came out early — so he’s still got plenty of undeveloped upside. 2009 aside, Cable has a good NFL track record as an o-line coach. There’s a real chance to believe he could turn this kid into an elite LT in a relatively short time. The key will be if Campbell has a good work ethic and the ability to learn. I haven’t seen anything that says he’s a punk or anything like that. I’m not one to typically jump on the workout warrior and say that’s the best guy to get. I hated the DHB pick. Was lukewarm on McFadden (mostly because he wasn’t at a premium or need position). But I would be tempted on this one. I don’t know. Is he a risk? Yes. Would it be a classic Raider pick? Yes. Is there a real chance that it pans out and we steal one of the great LTs for the next decade? Yes. 176. NorthernD Says: I don’t think Cable will ever be an elite level coach. But the best thing he can do now is to stop the bleeding and get the team headed in the right direction. (Two cliches in one sentence, I’ve been listening to athletes far too long) 177. stabler Says: LOL. Seriously, Al is EIGHTY. Have you ever known an 80 year old man to have much energy, or concentration, or memory, or creativity? He is so far past his prime now. I just wish he would let go a little bit. I think Al is the college scouting dept by himself, if I remember correctly. Just absurd. 178. stabler Says: I like what Mike Mayock said about the draft – 95% should be performance in college, combine workouts are just to confirm it, or raise a little bit of concern to cause you to go back to the tape. Campbell at number 8? No way, he didn’t peform to that level, even if he has the body of Adonis. 179. NorthernD Says: Chris in NY, You mentioned about being a blocker in high school, so assume you know about leverage and all that. I was watching Campbell at the combine, and he just seems too top heavy. He has huge shoulders, and not enough lower body mass to help him keep his balance. I could see him getting bullrushed, or not being able to re-direct quickly enough in the NFL. For what it’s worse, I would much rather see Trent Williams at 8. He’s got that classic thick leg build, but is very light on his feet. Overall, I think Williams actually had better combine numbers than Campbell. He just doesn’t look like superman. 180. NorthernD Says: I saw Cody run the 40. Man, he looked like a garbage bag full of breast implants. 181. Chris in NY Says: The thing about Campbell is that he wasn’t necessarily bad, he was just raw. He doesn’t have all that much experience. At times he looks good and occasionally he looks a little lost. The same can be said of Anthony Davis from Rutgers or Trent Williams from Oklahoma. I’m not saying he definitely should be the pick. I think there’s a very good chance he will be the pick. I’m just saying I won’t jump all over it and I’m curious to see what the kid can do if he is indeed the pick at No. 8. He was a 1st round pick before the combine. I’d seen him going anywhere from top-10 to mid 20s on just about every mock draft for months. So it’s not as outlandish as people will try to make it out just because it’s the Raiders taking another physical specimen in the draft. If any other team around us picked Campbell the pick wouldn’t get 1/100th the scrutiny and criticism. 182. SteveAlford21 Says: I respect Al and am a fan of all that he did before he was 60, but he has become the 1980s George Burns of the NFL world: he shows just enough cognizance to say that he’s not beyond the possibility of doing something right, thereby eliminating the overdue necessity to politely usher him off into the sunset. 183. stabler Says: NorthernD Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 11:02 pm I saw Cody run the 40. Man, he looked like a garbage bag full of breast implants. LOL! Suh looked like a stud, though. 184. SteveAlford21 Says: Also, I think with the aid of some sharp football minds in the Front Office (rather than lackies and yes-men/women), he could collaborate to revive the franchise a la the Bruce Allen/Mike Lombardi years. 185. RaiderDebo Says: Per David White, Hirame Eugene just got a 2nd round tender. 186. NorthernD Says: If they do take Campbell and he was lousy, they could just slide him insdie like Gallery. He’d be a lot easier to hide than DHB. He is also a year younger than other two you mentioned. 187. stabler Says: I think everyone in the NFL now just looks at the Raiders as a stepping stone to their next job, a la Kiffin. Don’t know if Al can attract a sharp football mind anymore that will stick around and build it up again. Witness all the polite rejections in the last few coach searches. 188. NorthernD Says: McCoy looked like a stud as well. Again, he also has those fire plug legs that help him get a good base. You can see he would be hard to budge in the running game. 189. SteveAlford21 Says: Damn Hiram Eugene… Kirk might be constantly out of position, but at least he can tackle… sometimes… which is better than can be said for Eugene. 190. NorthernD Says: SteveAlford21 Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 11:08 pm Damn Hiram Eugene… Kirk might be constantly out of position, but at least he can tackle… sometimes… which is better than can be said for Eugene. =============================== Look at the bright side, that’s means there’s slightly less chance they’ll draft Taylor Mays. 191. RaiderDebo Says: SteveAlford21 Says: March 3rd, 2010 at 11:08 pm Damn Hiram Eugene… Kirk might be constantly out of position, but at least he can tackle… sometimes… which is better than can be said for Eugene. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Don’t know about that. Kirk misses a lot of tackles. A 2nd round tender for Eugene is a head scratcher though. Tough to think he’d get much interest out there. 192. Chris in NY Says: Northern D, Good point about the importance of a good base and leverage in o-linemen. However, in today’s pass-happy NFL, I think it’s possibly even more important for tackles to have quick feet and long arms. Campbell is elite in both respects. The thing I might be worried most about Campbell is his mentality. He seems like a good kid. But does he have that aggressiveness, that nastiness to dominate in the trenches. I have a feeling we (Raiders fans) will see. 193. SteveAlford21 Says: Stabler, Yes, and it has KILLED me that every decent HC prospect has gone another way lately. TJ would use Hugh as an example of how you are dead wrong (despite it being an OC instead of HC position), but TJ is an idiot. Hugh is the ONLY example in the last five years, but he’s not REALLY a good example. How? I’ll explain: If Hugh had gone to Chicago, he’d be in a situation where the QB has been acclaimed in the past and there are expectations of immediately becoming a good offense if steered correctly. This means that if Chi fails to improve, he will receive a lot of criticism for failing. Coming to Oakland, however, is ALL UPSIDE. If we don’t improve, Hugh gets praised for at least TRYING… and everyone will say that the place is so dysfunctional that he can’t be blamed and that no one truly expected a miracle anyway. IF we do turn it around, however… he will be lauded as a genius, a messiah, and damned near a god among men. There is major downside to Chicago, whereas Oakland is ALL upside. Even if he fails here, he can make a lateral move (or better) to another team with no problem. The same cannot be said for Chicago. Even if the money were exactly the same, it’s a no-brainer. 194. SteveAlford21 Says: Debo, That’s why I put in the “sometimes” for Kirk. I didn’t want to seem like I was praising him on tackling ability, just that he’s better at it in comparison to Eugene. 195. stabler Says: Alford – totally agree with what you said about Hue. Gone in three years for a head coaching job. Maybe gone in two if he SOMEHOW gets lardass to play decent QB. 196. SteveAlford21 Says: I left out the benefits of succeeding here for Hugh: Promotion to HC, a big raise, or offers for more cash or higher position with other teams. Success in Chi won’t be as highly-reviewed (because it’s somewhat marginally expected), so it will have less upside and fewer promotions/raises/offers. 197. priesttj Says: Hey 24, I’ve got a questin for you since you knopw more than Al Davis. What is the market in the NFL for Stanford Routt if he were to be traded? If another team called the Raiders what would they offer them for him. And how many teams called for his services? 198. Chris in NY Says: Are tendered RFA guys guaranteed this money, or is it contingent upon them making the roster. The Morrison, Howard and Gradkowski deals seem reasonable. The others not so much. Eugene isn’t nearly as bad as everyone in here suggests. He’s decent. But he’s also undoubtedly our No. 4 safety and I don’t see how that merits$2 to 3 million for a single season.

199. SD_Raider_619 Says:

R u F-ing kiddin Eugene got a second round tender!!!!!!!!!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/detail?&entry_id=58416

its official Al Davis has F-in lost it. Did he not see how Eugene got beat like a Biatch!!!!!

200. NorthernD Says:

From what they said about him during the combine drills was that he was a good worker. He puts in the effort to improve.
Which is always a plus.

Physically though, he just looks more like a DE than a tackle. He reminds me of Takeo Spikes with 50 extra lbs. He looks like he could easily add 30-40 more lbs and still maintain his speed.

I just don’t have a good feeling about him. He just doesn’t move with fluidity.

The next Alonzo Spellman?

201. priesttj Says:

The player has to sign the tender to get the money the Raiders wnat to pay him. Or he can sign with another team tha might want to give him more money and the Raiders can match if they don’t match they get the pick.

It’s a game of trying to get the highest pcik for the least amount of money at risk. The tender to Rout is not nearly as much money as you would pay a 1st and a 3rd pick but if someone signs him and they chose not to match that’s what they get if he signs the tender it’s nt a ton of money yes it’s starters money but but lower level.

If you understand the process what they did with Routt was smart if someone signs him they get a 1st and a 3rd with not a ton of money at risk. Routt is a decent starter he struggles when he plays the slot.

Most of all these tenders are gaged by the interest other teams show in these players when they call about trades that’s how they know where to slot them.

202. Raiders4eve Says:

I seriously don’t think Eugene is worth a second round tender, he got have been a four round and maybe some team might sign him, i think he is very good special team player and a guy that can play in certain packages but to say he is worth a second, hmm I don’t what’s going on but all I can say for all those who said AL davis doesn’t have any money this is a good sign that AL got the cash and is willing to spend it.

203. SD_Raider_619 Says:

Can you tell me who the hell wants Eugene then, plz?????

204. KoolKell Says:

Priesttj

What was that again? BS?

205. priesttj Says:

People in here over react to thing of which they don’t understand while if you stop for a second and think nothing is just done with out a lot of thought behind it. I know that comes as a shock to most of you but it’s true. This is a business being run not by one aged man all alone as some would have you believe. There are some very astute football minds in that biulding with a ton of enfluence who make a lot of decisions.

These tenders were very well thought out and very well reasoned wether you understnd those reasons or not. It cracks me up that most of you tend to listen t a beat writer over a football organization. Now who’s dumb? you might point to the Raiders record but the beat writer better be glad he has no record of note, the Detroit Lions would look like the Auerbach Celtics.

206. KoolKell Says:

Priesttj

Al Davis is 29-83, analyze that.

207. SteveAlford21 Says:

Regarding post 201:

TJ, I’ll assume that pretty much everyone here already knew that. What’s being questioned isn’t how RFA tenders work… rather, why take the risk of having to pay a salary that high to Routt if no one tries to sign him away. Many of us don’t think that he’ll get any offers that are as high as the salary tied to the tender, which means that he won’t sign with another team for an offer of less than that monetary amount… and if he signs the tender here, we’ll be stuck with that very high salary for the year. I know it’s an uncapped year, but it’s still a big gamble to risk having to pay THAT much (or cut him after FA season is over).

Making the tender a 1st and a 3rd virtually guarantees that no one will make a serious offer for a player of Routt’s ability, which is just bad business… because we’ll get stuck for the salary tied to the tender offer… or have to cut him. If those are the options, it would be better to make a slightly LOWER than expected tender (say, a 3rd round… fair for Routt), that way we get something for the loss of a player instead of cutting him and getting nothing (or overpaying).

Whether there have been lots of calls showing interest in him isn’t the issue or not. I don’t think that anyone here would believe that ANY team has offered a 1st and 3rd for Routt… so why tender him that high? At least make it reasonable, so that a team that’s interested MIGHT make him an offer. Even if they do, it won’t be as high as the tender’s salary, so we could just match them and keep him for less money. A 1st and 3rd for Routt makes ZERO business sense. All it does is guarantee that we don’t lose him… which isn’t an concern because we could match any offers anyway! Unless a team has already offered more than just a 1st rounder for him (I will never believe it), then this is ludicrous.

208. SteveAlford21 Says:

TJ, just out of curiousity… how do you know for sure that the offers have a lot of thought and input from others behind them? Were you privy to the process?

They could have been all done unilaterally by Al, Amy, Herrera, or someone else who was told to handle it. You are assuming that there was a lot of thought in it, but per my post 207, if there was a lot of thought, it was BAD thought (business-wise).

209. stabler Says:

Does anyone really think we should keep Routt? I say cut him in training camp, he was awful this past year, slot receiver or not.

210. SteveAlford21 Says:

I’ll break it down slowly, just to make sure you get it.

You never make a tender of a higher pick than you’re CERTAIN you can get for the player. Why? Because that would guarantee that you keep the player. You don’t need that guarantee on a RFA because you can match any offer if you truly WANT to keep him. That means that an inflated tender only guarantees that you will OVERPAY. The 1st and 3rd tender is only a valid tool if you have already gotten offers of at least a 1st and 3rd for that player’s rights.

211. DKnight007 Says:

# priesttj Says:
March 3rd, 2010 at 11:53 pm

People in here over react to thing of which they don’t understand while if you stop for a second and think nothing is just done with out a lot of thought behind it. I know that comes as a shock to most of you but it’s true. This is a business being run not by one aged man all alone as some would have you believe. There are some very astute football minds in that biulding with a ton of enfluence who make a lot of decisions.

These tenders were very well thought out and very well reasoned wether you understnd those reasons or not. It cracks me up that most of you tend to listen t a beat writer over a football organization. Now who’s dumb? you might point to the Raiders record but the beat writer better be glad he has no record of note, the Detroit Lions would look like the Auerbach Celtics.

^^^^^^^^^^
Sure a lot of thought is put into this…..but the thought isn’t very good thought and is WARPED.

Hence why the team has sucked for 7 years.

Get it?

212. RaiderDebo Says:

I’m of the opinion that a lot of thought goes into these tenders as well. At 1st glance, the Routt tender doesn’t seem to make sense. But there are a few of us that recognize that Routt has been pretty good in a starter’s role, playing outside. When you look at the free agent class of corners, there isn’t much after Dunta Robinson. Maybe Al and his guys have some kind of intelligence that teams were interested in Routt.

213. SteveAlford21 Says:

Debo,

Even if you have intel that suggests that EVERY other team is interested in a player, you don’t put a 1st and 3rd on them unless you’ve already been offered more than a 1st for a trade. If you suspect that there is great interest, you put a 1st. In a draft class as deep as this one, teams aren’t going to go after many Restricted Free Agents… there’s too much to miss out on and the picks this year are more valuable than usual.

214. DKnight007 Says:

# stabler Says:
March 3rd, 2010 at 10:47 pm

Al trusts no one but the toadies he can completely dominate (Herrera, Trask, etc.) Normal people, like Gruden, eventually leave. So sad to see an 80 year old man just be laughed at by everyone now. One of the 5 or 10 most important figures in the history of football, and he can’t let go, even a little bit.

^^^^^^^^^
It’s sad and pathetic…..all of these stupid waste of money tenders just proves he is weird.

The old man just forces us to despise him…..he doesn’t care about us fans and I don’t why some of these Al worshippers should give a rats ass about him.

The blackouts will continue next year…..

215. DKnight007 Says:

# SteveAlford21 Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 12:14 am

Debo,

Even if you have intel that suggests that EVERY other team is interested in a player, you don’t put a 1st and 3rd on them unless you’ve already been offered more than a 1st for a trade. If you suspect that there is great interest, you put a 1st. In a draft class as deep as this one, teams aren’t going to go after many Restricted Free Agents… there’s too much to miss out on and the picks this year are more valuable than usual.

^^^^^^^^^^
Yep…and this years draft is DEEP…and there is plenty of talent to be had…..but the looney old man Al will blow it…..AGAIN!

216. RaiderDebo Says:

Steve,

I hear you. But when you look at the big picture, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a team would offer Routt a contract under the 1st-round tender that would cost the Raiders more to match then the $3 mill they’ll pay him this year. The FA class consists of Dunta Robinson and the Miracles and he wants$10 mill a year. Routt would come much cheaper than that. And for teams that might have used that 1st rounder on a corner, this isn’t the best year for them. None of them can match Routt’s size/speed combo. He’s also young and he’d come cheaper than any of the corner’s in the 1st round. The Joe Haden 40-yard dash has kind of tarnished the cb class this year. Bottom line is Al wants to keep him. Even if he doesn’t start, with all the multiple-receiver sets he’ll probably play at least 60% of the snaps. And if the Nnamdi trade rumor comes to fruition, your paying a bargain-basement price for a starting corner.

217. SteveAlford21 Says:

I understand the logic, I just think it’s flawed logic and is overvaluing Routt based on what he’s shown on the field. As I said, the ONLY reason to put a 1st and 3rd is to guarantee that we keep him (and are afraid of a higher salary offer than what is attached to the 1st and 3rd). I can see why we would possibly fear the salary offer, but that’s only valid if you think he’s worth keeping at a salary at or above this tender’s. This becomes a matter of opinion on how good a player he is at this point… and I don’t think he’s worth it, even in an uncapped year. I say make it a 2nd round tender AT MOST and then hope for offers so we can capitalize… but that’s only MY opinion.

218. RaiderDebo Says:

I agree he’s probably not a good enough player for the highest tender. But for cb-needy teams, there just isn’t much available. I think that’s what’s inflating his value.

219. SteveAlford21 Says:

I just don’t see him bringing that much, but I can see the logic behind it. I’m not debating against your point itself, merely the thought that he would warrant ANY offers at that tender. I’d rather risk losing him and getting a pick if we decide not to match than keep him at this price.

220. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Seymour Bush, what is with the gay references? Do you think I find it an insult to be called gay? Do you have a problem with gay people? You have to have at least one gay person in your family. Probably several yet to come out of the closet. Far as your Raider fan buddies? lol. It’s a no brainer. Probably 2 out of 10, and that’s a kind estimate. What else can explain the false sense of masculinity displayed in here every day? Raiders players? At least one, in the closet. Probably on every team. You live in a gay world, Seymour. You spend most of your life around men, with no women around (Raider functions). Read what Freud had to say about male bonding as a way of life.

221. SteveAlford21 Says:

“Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”

I have a Master’s in Psychology… and every good psychologist admits that there’s a strong likelihood that everything they say is B.S. at one point in time or another.

222. SteveAlford21 Says:

BTW, the above quote is from Freud himself, in reference to all his “this means you’re gay” and “that is a phallus that you always associate with, so it means something deeper” philosophy being turned on HIM. When someone else smoked cigars, they had phallic issues (either homosexuality or insecurity), but when HE preferred them… it’s just a cigar.

223. NorthernD Says:

I think you scared everyone with that last post. Just in case they slip up on the bed wetting issues.

224. SteveAlford21 Says:

Lol, NorthernD.

I got my degree when I was a Psychological Operations Specialist in the Army. I never wanted anything to do with the field in the private sector and have no interest in psychoanalyzing anyone… unless they tick me off and I want to cut them deeply them with a harsh, bitter truth that will shut them up. There’s just too much wiggle room in it… there can be a dozen people who have the same issues and exhibit the same behaviour, but each could have different root causes and require different treatments. A shrink who professes to be able to figure out exactly what the issue is simply by noting a few behaviours is a BAD shrink.

225. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Seymour Bush, our argument was never, ever, who Gruden “developed”. Stop re-framing this argument every time you get stumped.

I’ll rehash this whole thing, right now. And you can go back and quote tid bits of my comments all you like.

I mocked Al Davis’s ability to scout talent today. Since I’d made a comment praising Gruden beforehand, you then asked me what great players Gruden had scouted in Tampa. I told you that I wouldn’t call any of them “great”, just that he acquired good players and won a couple of division titles after the Super Bowl year. I never said Gruden did so via the draft. I said acquired, outright.

Your first point of contention was that Gruden won his two division titles, in ‘05 and ‘07, thanks to Dungy and McKay, and their players. While I didn’t argue with your point regarding ‘05, I did not buy your point regarding ‘07. I also did a little research, and saw that only 2 starters on the ‘07 Tampa team were products of Dungy and McKay, Derrick Brooks and Ronde Barber.

You replied to that with either a flat out lie, or a blatantly misinformed point, stating that Alstott and Kelly played a pivotal role on that team as well. Alstott had a neck injury and didn’t play one down in ‘07. Kelly did not start, and only played in about 10 games, if I remember the stats correctly.

I also pointed out to you that Jeff Garcia was the only pro bowler on that team, not any of the Dungy/mcCay guys, and also that Earnest Graham and Joey Galloway had 1000 yards from scrimmage a piece, neither of them being Dungy/McKay guys, as well.

At that point, you pulled out the bulls*&t grenade launcher, and tried to switch the argument to the strength of their schedule that year. I don’t think so. Had you made that point from the get go, the discussion would have been over. Because it’s true. The NFC South is a weak division usually. but you already killed your credibility by trying to lie about Dungy/McKay’s impact on the ‘07 team. But being the nice guy I am, I gave that argument the benefit of the doubt, and played along. I told you that a coach’s job is to win. If Gruden had tanked that year, surely you’d hold it against him. So why shouldn’t his wins be held up against your criticism of him? It’s only fair. I guess you agreed with me, because at that moment, you flip flopped BACK to the Dungy McCay bullshyt.

After repeating my through debunk of your Dungy McKay lie, you then switched back to the schedule strength argument a SECOND TIME!

I think we’ve repeated this pattern a bout 3 times already. And now, you’re strategy is to completely re-frame this argument as to what credit Gruden should get for developing any of the players on that team. I never once said he developed any players on that team. Just said that he signed players that helped him win games. Period. So, nice try.

Seymour, you’re a rabid fan, and I respect that. But you lost this one, bud. Lick your wounds and come back to fight another day.

226. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Well there you have it, Steve. Every psychologist could be wrong, and that includes you. I happen to believe the theory that men who long to be around other mean (Raider fans) are likely gay. At least bisexual.

227. NorthernD Says:

Just let that info slip at a party and see how fast people stop talking to you. Being in the army is usually a conversation killer, but then add on the head shrinker deal.
“I’m just…I…I have to go some…where. Have fun at the party.”

228. SteveAlford21 Says:

Well, I never made an argument for or against that point, RMR… but I’ll throw in a couple of cents.

Freud himself talked much about developments of associations and friendships. The term “homosexual” was originally used in psychology and it didn’t mean that you were gay. It was in reference to relationships as you age. When you’re a child, almost all your relationships are homosexual, meaning that little boys hang out with little boys and little boys hang out with little girls. Extrapolating this to adulthood, Freud himself thought that many men who spend most of their time with other men have never really matured. They still act like little boys, regardless of sexual orientation. This describes many Raider fans (many rabid sports fans of ANY team).

I know it describes me accurately. I’ve had many relationships (several longterm ones, including being engaged twice and shacking up for two years on two different occasions), but almost always chose to go play basketball/football or watch a game with my friends when the opportunities arose… because I never really grew up at heart. I always take solace in the fact that at least I grew up in the mind.

I’m not speculating on anyone’s sexual preference here, merely pointing out that male-bonding isn’t universally seen as gay behavior by Freud or any other psychology professional unless it’s accompanied by other mitigating factors or subtle clues to a deeper issue that makes the person avoid the opposite sex.

229. NorthernD Says:

homo

230. NorthernD Says:

Just kidding.

231. SteveAlford21 Says:

NorthernD,

Actually, it usually gets people begging you to psychoanalyze them. I figure that it’s a diversionary tactic on their part to get you to look at the issues that they WANT you to see, so they can put their guard down after that. Either way, a Psychological Operations Specialist is nothing like a classical shrink… we’re propaganda guys who deploy not to a battlefield, but behind lines. I was the guy with a gun saying that the U.S.A. is your friend… then taking you for a field trip against your will for interrogation if you caused a scene. We had to learn all the psychology and then learn how to use it to manipulate people to prevent more fighting… and fight them if they didn’t fall for it. Being Airborne was a fun requirement of the job.

232. SteveAlford21 Says:

I literally lol’ed @ “homo”

I know you were kidding, bro. Even if you weren’t, no worries… there’s no reason an insult should offend anyone. I would hope we’re all adult enough to not get pissy or defensive about name-calling. Then again… *scrolls up* … I retract the previous statement.

233. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Sure, like you’d tell us if you and any of your bff’s ever went brokeback mountain, Steve. There’s nothing funnier than someone attempting to prove they’re not gay by merely saying they’re not gay, and even giving a story to back it up. Even more hilarious when they go into long winded psychological lectures to explain to everyone (and perhaps even themselves) that they’re not gay.

234. NorthernD Says:

Ex coelis.

235. SteveAlford21 Says:

Always Forward. Hooah.

236. NorthernD Says:

You’re only gay if you push back. Or spoon afterward.

237. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

I guess you did find a use for your psych ed after all, Steve. To convince yourself you’re not gay. lol.

238. SteveAlford21 Says:

Glad to find another T-10C user in here, NorthernD!

Unless you just coincidentally knew the latin for “from the clouds” and decided to say it in reference to me being Airborne.

239. NorthernD Says:

Psy ops. You’re the guys who pump loud music into the building where the captured presidents are hanging out.

240. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Oh, bringing up the fact that you were in the military does not help your argument that you’re not gay, either, Steve. That’s exhibit C.

241. SteveAlford21 Says:

RMR, I’ve spent so much money on women and wasted so much time and energy in my life that I don’t necessarily think I’d be too disappointed to find out that I WAS gay. The thought of being intimate with a man is just not appealing, though. I might have to find a nice Japanese woman who was raised in a culture where they’re taught NOT to be so manipulative and selfish.

242. NorthernD Says:

Ducimus then ex coelis.
George I,FRY x2, and the horn.

243. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Oh, ok. There’s no way he’s gay, guys. He spent money on women. That settles it.

244. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Guess Clay Aiken can go out and buy a female hooker, and he’s not gay either, right, Steve? I mean, you’re the psych major.

245. SteveAlford21 Says:

So you were Airborne Infantry, then?

I was the first non-infantry cycle to go through Benning. E1/38… Rock of the Marne!

246. SteveAlford21 Says:

RMR, just because he has sex with a woman doesn’t mean he’s not gay. It would be an attraction to men or a lack thereof that would be the determining factor on that one. I have never seen American Idol and don’t listen to Pop Music, so I’m not familiar with Clay Aiken other than knowing the name from commercials, but I’ll take your analogy at its face value.

247. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Non infantry military, at that! Exhibit D.

248. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Re: Clay Aiken…look up sarcasm in the dictionary, psych major.

249. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Joined an organization where he’d be around men, even naked men, with no women. Joined a section of this organization that was the least violent. Hmmm.

250. SteveAlford21 Says:

Oh, I was aware that you were trying to be sarcastic in making that connection… I just chose to ignore it and take your statement at face value as if you were serious. I won’t get into a childish exchange on a blog… I’m not TJ.

251. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Sometimes a rifle is just a rifle.

252. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Oh, you were above the sarcasm, but responded anyway. OK.

253. SteveAlford21 Says:

RMR,

Look up Psychological Operations and then tell me if you think it’s least violent. Also, the lack of women argument directly contradicts your non-infantry argument because infantry has no women. You can use one or the other, but you can’t use both.

254. The Real MaddenRaider Says:

Alright, Steve. I’m just messing with you, man. You’re not gay, you’re smart. And cool. And a great Raider fan. See you tomorrow.

255. SteveAlford21 Says:

Yes, RMR… because it usually annoys the hell out of someone when they make a snide remark and you ignore the sarcasm and carry on as if it were normal.

256. SteveAlford21 Says:

And I know that you were just messin around, hence me responding. I don’t think a REAL insult would be so laidback… at least not from you. I’ve seen you argue with retard TJ, remember?

257. SteveAlford21 Says:

“retard TJ” meaning Priest, of course.

258. Scottish Raider Says:

Condo: Smart move, he’s been an unsung hero and deserves his reward for support SeaBass and Lechler.

Howard: Okay. Not sure we’ll get any takers but he’s good enough to keep anyway.

Morrison: The twitter-world is already buzzing with rumours that this will tempt other teams. Looks like Goodbye to Morrison – and a decent 3rd round pick is a fair exchange.

Gradkowski: Probably about right. Not too much but enough to hold him in Oakland. Still think Al has promised Hue a QB project in the draft (Jarrett Brown with the 3rd for Morrison?)

Routt: Not as mad as it sounds. This is position and not player driven. There are no decent CB Free-Agents who would come to Oakland or fit our system. The draft isn’t deep for man-to-man CBs who could play in Year 1. So we just can’t afford to lose Routt. Better to take him off the market and pay too much, then have him leave a bigger hole in the roster.

Overall, I’m happy with these decisions.

259. SteveAlford21 Says:

I really hope we can land Dansby or another VETERAN MLB and unload Kirk. I’d be in favor of keeping him and putting him at Strongside LB… but the pricetag would probably be too high to keep him and play him there when there is comparable SLB talent for a lower price.

260. Copenhagen_Fan Says:

Al’s overpaying drives me nuts.

But in the case of Routt and some of the other guys, like Condo, I can see a modicum of sense.

We all know that Al wants to win now. He is most likely just trying to keep the players (who serve a role) on the squad so he can focus on filling the glaring weaknesses.

Routt is not the best nickelback in the NFL, but he’s decent. Yeah, he got torched a bit, but the guy is not as bad as the majority of the posters claim. In comparison with Nnamdi’s huge salary and CJ’s deal, Routt’s deal seems fair enough. It could just be Al paying Routt what he deserves (he is a CB and they don’t come cheap).

As some other guys stated. Now we can focus on the LINES.

261. Copenhagen_Fan Says:

Another thing is that Raider CB’s, such as Fabian Washington and Chris Carr were not effective here and were castoffs and can start with other teams, which means that Routt has a higher value with other teams than he has with the Raiders.

Any Raider cornerback is going to get torched at times unless they are Nnamdi, Mike Haynes or Lester Hayes.

262. SteveAlford21 Says:

Copenhagen:

If… and that’s a BIG IF… this is just to eliminate worries about positions other than the trenches, I will get on board with overpaying EVERYONE. As long as our first four picks (all in the first three rounds) are three offensive linemen (two Ts and a G) and a DT, then I’ll be satisfied. Anything else will result in me complaining… unless Spikes is available in the 2nd (highly unlikely)… I’d be okay with that non-trench pick.

263. SteveAlford21 Says:

I actually thought that Carr was decent as a Nickel. I wouldn’t start him at CB in our 4-3 press package, but I didn’t like seeing him go. That having been said; yes, it’s much easier for DBs to play corner in any system other than ours. We ask you to stick a man from whistle to whistle on damned near every play. Other teams mix it up with zone coverages a lot more than we do… which is why a very good zone corner, eAngelo Hall (there’s no D with him), looked like a no-talent Hack while he was in Oakland. I suppose I don’t give Routt enough credit, but I just expect MORE than what I’ve seen… especially when a big payraise comes into play.

264. SteveAlford21 Says:

Meant to say “from snap to whistle” there. Mea Culpa.

265. Copenhagen_Fan Says:

Steve- I think that last year was the worst year Routt has had with us. He seems to be regressing, because he HAS played well in the past.

I am no Al supporter, but believe that he’s just keeping some adequate players in place in order to fill the holes on the line in the draft. We all know that a CB picked up in the draft this year will probably not help us right now.

I think he’s actually going to focus on players that can step in right away and play, instead of PROJECTS or guys that need time to develop. Let’s see.

266. Copenhagen_Fan Says:

Some people on this blog just keep on saying that everybody is overpaid, everybody on the team sucks, so and so should be cut, but don’t think about how we are going to replace them.

267. SteveAlford21 Says:

I’m just concerned about the fact that we’re setting a bad precedent with the salaries for this season. IF there is a new Collective Bargaining Agreement next season, there will be a new salary cap… and I’m afraid that they’ll use a certain % over the average salary total for each team as the new cap number. The fact that we are spending more than other teams for a few positions means that we’ll be on the wrong end of the average… and it will be difficult for us to keep the players that we have (should their performance live up to their pay) once there is a new CBA. By going over the imaginary cap this season, we’ll be in a tough spot for keeping our roster full of good players once a real cap comes back.

268. SteveAlford21 Says:

I just had an epiphany… THAT would be the reason for all the tenders. I was thinking that it would be so we wouldn’t have to pay the salaries if there’s a lockout next season (which has to be PART of the reason), but I just realized something more!

If there’s a new CBA and a new cap, we won’t have to give those guys similar deals next season, because we can site the extenuating circumstances and tell them that we can’t give them the same deals because the new cap would prohibit it. That still won’t stop them from trying to get the same money from a different team next year, but once they fail to do so, we can haul them back in at a discount. So I guess the logic is to overpay everyone except Kirk, in order to ensure they stay in the area… and put Kirk out as bait since we need an upgrade at MLB anyway.

269. SteveAlford21 Says:

The logic in that being that RFA tenders carry only a one-year salary, meaning that we can cross the “new cap” bridge when we get there instead of signing them longterm NOW and overpaying them through 2011… which WOULD hurt us if there’s a new cap.

270. Copenhagen_Fan Says:

And Carr was decent as a nickel, but he only ended up getting on the field as a last resort because on injuries ( I believe it was Kiffin’s first year). He was seen as an undersized DB who returned kicks, then he actually got on the field and was ok. Still he was never better than Routt in my opinion.

I also remember when the blog went amok because we kept CJ on as a 9th DB because he got worked so many times. But he came through and became a solid starter.

All the CJ haters need to chill. The guy is on an island and is aggressive. He had 18 passes defended last year.

These are the guys who had more PD’s:

Darrelle Revis, NYJ 31
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, AZ 25
Leon Hall, Cin 24
Brandon Flowers, KC 23
Johnathan Joseph, Cin 20
Leigh Bodden, NE 19
Brandon Carr, KC 19
Mike Jenkins, Dal 19

271. Copenhagen_Fan Says:

Steve…good points. Why not pay them now for one year and see what shakes out?

Nothing to lose but money. Al has always paid players.

We need to win, and I don’t think Al minds driving prices up to punish his more prudent counterparts.

272. SteveAlford21 Says:

Copenhagen, you can’t use # of PDs as an accurate stat there. If I SUCK as a DB, you’ll throw my direction a LOT. Even if I suck, I should be able to break up a fair amount of passes based on sheer volume of tries alone. This is the reason that TK

273. SteveAlford21 Says:

and Morrison get so many tackles. Opponents run it right up the gut on us so many times that their tackle numbers are artificially elevated and project an ability that doesn’t exist.

274. Copenhagen_Fan Says:

Steve don’t you think that people throw CJ’s way because of Nnamdi?

All great corners get burned. Lester used to get burned on many occasions.

275. SteveAlford21 Says:

I didn’t say that CJ sucked, just pointed out that a high number of PDs isn’t an accurate stat to determine a CB’s worth unless you turn it into a % compared against the times he was thrown at. I’m not criticizing CJ, merely stating that he gets a lot of balls thrown his way because 21 is on the other side of the field… so even if CJ is dead on “average” in ability, he would still have more than the average number of PDs because he gets thrown at more.

276. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

Like I said before, tendering Routt means no overreach for a 40x superstar corner at #8.

Tendering Morrison, Howard and Brown suggests they will all be back and starting.

Hopefully the #8 pick goes to Dan Williams or an Offensive Lineman NOT NAMED CAMPBELL!

Hopefully Al Davis realizes that the root cause of the run defense problems is the lousy DT play.

Let’s move Warren before his $1M dollar bonus and lets clean his bloated contract off the books in this no-cap year. DT Al Davis……Its time Dan Williams at #8 And no Bruce Campbell!!!! 277. SteveAlford21 Says: SnB, The tender for Morrison will probably end up with him NOT coming back, since it’s a 3rd round tender. Someone will be desperate enough to take him at that price (I hope) and we can get Dansby or another VETERAN to play MLB for us. If we can’t get a vet, we’ll have to hope that Spikes is there in the second round, because McClain won’t be… and we can’t afford to use the 1st rounder on anything other than a non-Campbell OT or a DT. 278. Copenhagen_Fan Says: Yeah a 3rd for Kirk would be nice 279. Copenhagen_Fan Says: By the way…..great when there is a break in the action from the goon squad, where I don’t have to read about kool kell taking a dump in his diaper, racist comments or chest beating by cretins like Riccochet and the rest of the underdeveloped manhood crowd. Cheers to MaddenRaider for doing the right thing and reporting racist based threats to the authorities. 280. SnB offense defense specialteams Says: Alford, I am all for getting a veteran MLB. At this point, I don’t trust the scheme and I don’t trust the DTs. So until we can sort those two issues out, it would be much better to get a vet MLB to anchor the position. Dan Williams #8 would be a nice 1st step. Gerard Warren is a castoff who is a depth player at best. He’s due$1M bonus soon and is due another $10M. Perhaps this is the year to cut him and bring him back at backup wages or maybe not bring back at all. The Raiders have to build inside out….that means DT and OT and nothing else as far as the first 2 or 3 picks. This team is a soft touch right now. We finish at the bottom against the run because the DTs are terrible and the MLB is shaky. Fix the lines!!!!! Been saying that for a while now. Why did Campbell have to run that 40…… 281. SnB offense defense specialteams Says: At least we know why Campbell came out early. He knew that Davis doesn’t have a 1st round pick next year and this is the best year for him to get that top 10 selection before the rookie salary cap. Smart business decision for a guy who couldn’t make 3rd team ACC….sounds like another fleet footed player we drafted last year. Davis loves paying for a player’s Senior year of development! 282. hwnrdr Says: Good Morning Nation!!! Missed on some reading yesterday…wow, the Raiders were busy huh? 283. hwnrdr Says: Comcast was saying that Al will Take Dez Bryant…with a very short explanation that basically says its Al Davis!!! NOOOOO….I don’t think so, but Al loves speed!!! 284. RaiderRockstar Says: good morning AM crew! shoot. S&B Defense is an asset to this blog … 285. RaiderRockstar Says: Morris, Routt, Morrison, Howard, Gradkowski & Brown will remain in Oakland. Capt Kirk = the only guy who receives interest I’m glad all these guys are back, but not at the price we’re going to pay. I guess thats the beauty of an uncapped year though, right? 286. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says: GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,HWNRDR. GOT A FEELING THIS CROWD WILL HATE THE 1ST 2 PICK’S NO MATTER WHAT.. 287. hwnrdr Says: Bruce Campbell…isn’t that the Evil Dead guy? 288. RaiderRockstar Says: GOT A FEELING THIS CROWD WILL HATE THE 1ST 2 PICK’S NO MATTER WHAT.. *** Raider Nation will embrace Bruce Campbell & Jacoby Ford come August! 289. RaiderRockstar Says: I’d be very surprised if Al Davis drafts Bryant. Schilens, Higgins, Murphy, Heyward-Bey & Miller/Watkins. we need a vet mentor, not another youngster for Sanjay Lal to groom! having said that … welcome to Oakland Dez !!! 290. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says: YEH !! BUT WHAT ABOUT SEPTEMBER.. 291. RaiderRockstar Says: LOL. when Campbell gets beat out by Green and Ford gets limited to returner duties we’ll all say “at least we didn’t draft so&so” isn’t that the way it works? so&so in this draft = Mays, Haden, Dunlap imo Arrelious Benn could be the surprise reach pick too if he shows speed to burn at the Pro Day 292. RaiderRockstar Says: the last 2 WR we drafted from Washington DC = Jerry Porter & DHB say no to Arrelious Benn! 293. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says: GOOD POINTS AS ALWAYS ROCKSTAR,THE RAIDERS NEED A “HOMERUN” OR 2 IN THIS DRAFT.JUST HOPE THERE R A COUPLE AND THEY CAN HIT ON THEM. LONG ODD’S HUH ? 294. RaiderRockstar Says: THE RAIDERS NEED A “HOMERUN” OR 2 IN THIS DRAFT.JUST HOPE THERE R A COUPLE AND THEY CAN HIT ON THEM. LONG ODD’S HUH ? *** Are we sold on Mario Henderson at LT? He’s played well with a healthy Gallery next to him or with blocking help from a TE. At times we left him on an island and he got trashed though. If we need an upgrade at LT I say draft the best available dude at #8. Anthony Davis will be there if Okung isn’t. If we give “super” mario another shot then we should be looking for a real NT as our #1 need. RT & RG are still needs, but needs that can be solved in Rounds 2/3/4. possibily even free agency. option 1: suh, mccoy, d. williams, price. best available OT that fits the zbs in Round 2 option 2: okung, davis, t. williams, bulaga. lamarr houston or terrence cody in Round 2 295. RaiderRockstar Says: any good zbs OT’s in Rounds 2 or 3 ??? 296. jhill Says: Ok, so our starting LBs will be Howard, Scott, and Brown. Stan Routt is going to start. We have an official QB battle. We are not drafting LB, CB, or QB with the pick. Or a S. Hiram Eugene? 2nd rd? LMFAO! 297. jhill Says: Oh, and I guess you were right about Barnes. If the backups like Routt, Morris, and Eugene get tendered but he didn’t, I guess Cable won’t be giving him a shot at the LT spot. Or RT for that matter. Iupati? 298. vegas raider Says: Last year Routt started one game, got thrown out of one, had 7 passes defensed, zero interceptions and 11 penalties. For his career he has 23 starts, 22 passes defended, 4 int’s, and 43 penalties. Am I missing something? And the salary, we are paying him twice what a 2nd round pick would make. In Jamarcus’ rookie year, he made 3.7 million for salary. I know there is a lot more guaranteed money with a 1st round pick, but a 2nd or 3rd would be less guaranteed money, half or less of the salary, and how could he not improve on those awful stats by Routt? 299. RaiderRockstar Says: Jhill: the following RFA’s did not receive tenders (yet) and are set to become UFA’s. free for any team to sign with the Raiders getting nothing in return. Alston, Barnes, Eugene, Frye, Lawton, Losman & (Gary) Russell. They’ll join already-UFA’s Green, Joseph, (Langston) Walker & Williams. Your thoughts? 300. jhill Says: Gerrard Warren is one of Tom Cable’s favorite players. Has refered to him directly as one of the team leaders on more than one occasion. No way in hell he brings Hiram Eugene and Chris Morris back and not the “unblockable” Gerrard “Money” Warren. 301. jhill Says: Vegas, As bad as Routt was in the slot, he was damn good on the outside. I think if we can all see that, the coaches must too. Especially with the improved pressure on the QB, and most importantly all the big plays CJ gave up all year. You know I’m one of his biggest critics, but I’d much rather have him back and starting on the outside than us taking a DB at 8. 302. jhill Says: Add free safety Hiram Eugene to the list of Raiders who got a second-round tender as restricted free agents Wednesday, according to a source familiar with the offer. Eugene joins linebackers Thomas Howard and Ricky Brown, quarterback Bruce Gradkowski and long snapper Jon Condo in the second-round tender group. Per D White’s blog 303. jhill Says: I think Langston and Alston will be resigned. No thoughts on the rest of the list. 304. vegas raider Says: I think a 3rd rounder would cost 1/7 of the cost, based on last years salaries, of Routt and would be just as good. Routt good on the outside?? He is OK. After 2007, when he started 14 games, we signed CJ and took the starting gig from Routt, who has only started 3 games since than. What has changed? 305. SteveAlford21 Says: Good morning, all. 306. vegas raider Says: Look, if they want to bring back Routt I am OK with that. It’s just the over-paying for him. He is going to make as much as Revis made this year!!!! 307. jhill Says: I think you should look at what other “no named” corners are getting as well. There are just no corners available and believe it or not, we could not afford to lose Routt. I mean really. CJ’s old and was dinged up last year. No other corners on the roster at all, and none looked worthy at the combine. I really wondered why we brought in Meangelo that year. I thought Routt played great the year before that. And yes he was good on the outside. Terrible on the slot, but good on the outside. Remember the pick he had for a TD that was called back? He started the last game of the season and there was NOTHING from the WR he played opposite of. I like him on the outside, think he should be cut if he has to play the slot. 308. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says: Cut Jon Condo. 309. jhill Says: Wassup Steve … 310. jhill Says: It’s all about timing Vegas. If Revis hit the market this year, he’d make more than Routt would, by far But of course you know this, man! 311. Norco Bob Says: Good morning to all my dear friends in here,..who I actually consider my family,..it was a long, lonely night without you. 312. RaiderRockstar Says: good morning Steve. what do you think about all these tenders? 313. SteveAlford21 Says: Bob! I’ve been snorting Norco and playing speed chess all night! 314. RaiderRockstar Says: Add free safety Hiram Eugene to the list of Raiders who got a second-round tender as restricted free agents Wednesday *** thanks for the info Jhill … son of a b! 315. vegas raider Says: I do like what Al did with the Morrison deal. I give him an A+ for that move. How can he hit it out of the park with that, and whiff on Routt and Brown? Here’s my odd’s on our tenders getting an offer sheet: Morrison – 55%. Just above 50/50. Again, Al, hats off to you on this one. Bruce – 25%. Not likely, but guarantee a couple of teams are kicking around the idea this morning. Howard – 20%. If it was a 3rd round tender, like Kirk, I would put him above him. Condo – 1%. Hey a Pro Bowler can’t be zero right? Brown – 0%. Nobody bit last year, nobody will this year Routt – 0%. The whole rest of the league is laughing. The only defensive player to recieve a similar tender, led the NFL in sacks the last two years (Dumervil). Routt may lead DB’s in penalties the last two years, while rarely starting. Eugene – 0%. You can find your 4th safety under your couch cushions. 316. Norco Bob Says: Hey at this time next week I will be in Pheonix getting drunk in the cactus league…by the way, yes, since you asked, they still do deliver the beer to your seats down there. 317. RaiderRockstar Says: Morris, Brown & Eugene should have been set free to test the market. they let Cooper Carlisle do that last year. result? came back to Oakland and re-signed for peanuts Routt should have been slapped with the original tender. for him would be a 2nd rounder anybody who thinks Eugene has more value than Morrison needs to be punched in the face. PERIOD! 318. Norco Bob Says: I have decided not to try that Steve….will stay with what got me here,…if it aint broke… 319. Norco Bob Says: Steve,…I just took my 1st of the day,..bout 4 minutes ago,..anticipating that feeling of it hitting me,..omg thats an amazing feeling…cant wait! 320. Norco Bob Says: By the way Steve, if you make it to a game this year, I think I can fit you in row 1,…just bring some Norcos, and its all good. 321. SteveAlford21 Says: Vegas, The Routt and Brown deals were designed so that no one would make an offer sheet on the tender. We’ll be overpaying like hell and I do NOT like it, but I see the reasoning. The only player who got tendered and that the organization WANTS to be gone is KIRK… so they made it a reasonable tender. The rest are setting the bar so high that no one even considers taking them away from us. 322. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says: Hey Bob, I hear they deliver beer to the seats in the cactus league. Is that true? If anyone knows, its Norco Bob! 323. RaiderRockstar Says: at this point we might as well tender Alston, Barnes, Frye, Lawton, Losman & (Gary) Russell too !!! grandpa Al forgot to take his meds, didn’t he? I still think al has a better chance of turning the raiders around than barack does of turning around this economy. it’s not even close 324. SteveAlford21 Says: Bob, I’d love to come to a game or two this year, but don’t know if it’ll be in my budget. If I went by the numbers I’ve got right NOW, then I could afford the flight out, but tix would be limited to nosebleed section. I’ve been burning through too much cash on drugs, alcohol, and a woman. As for snorting, to each his own. It’s a more powerful buzz, but fades more quickly… but if what you do works for you, there’s no need to tamper with it. As long as you enjoy it and no one gets hurt, it’s all good. 325. Norco Bob Says: Bo,..cant ya read?..I already posted that info. 326. Norco Bob Says: I can hook you up a ticket, free,…tailgate included,…just get a cheap flight,…thats easy,..I just got a round trip from Sac to Orlando,..210 bucks…Priceline. 327. Norco Bob Says: # 316 Bo. 328. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says: grandpa Al forgot to take his meds, didn’t he? I still think al has a better chance of turning the raiders around than barack does of turning around this economy. it’s not even close :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Stop trolling for political arguments, por favor. 329. RaiderRockstar Says: love you too bobo 330. SteveAlford21 Says: Well, when I moved back to Pacifica, I let my car here and flew out because I didn’t want to make that drive again. Virginia to Cali was over 200 one-way, but I’ll figure something out. That’s kind of an offer that can’t be missed, ya know. 331. RaiderRockstar Says: I really hope grandpa al can hammer out a long term deal with condo. something like 4 years 16 million with 9 mil guaranteed should do the trick I’d hate to use the franchise tag on him next offseason. He certainly has more value than Seymour, Dick 332. SteveAlford21 Says: Somewhat along the lines of Eva Mendes telling me I can do whatever I want to her… just as long as I find a way to L.A. 333. Norco Bob Says: Book a month in advance,…however a weekend flight is more expensive,…but easy for a 300 dollar rt ticket. 334. Norco Bob Says: My source tells me that all signs point to Gradkowski as starter for 2010,..that Russell will be given fair shot to win job, but nobody there feels he will even win back up job. Damn. 335. Norco Bob Says: Adam shefter said the raiders will release fargas and Warren here soon, before bonus kicks in…per his tweet. damn. 336. SteveAlford21 Says: If only we could put Gradkowski’s brain into JR’s body… 337. jhill Says: So I guess we’re taking a QB in the draft since Russell is going to be cut, Bob? I like Skelton with a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. With no other QBs on the roster other than Russell and Grads, we can’t just go into the season with 1 QB. 338. SteveAlford21 Says: I’m fine with releasing Warren, but I don’t want to see Fargas go… especially for no compensation… but mostly just not gone at all. Another Frankenback project: Fargas’s brain, Bush’s body. 339. jhill Says: Releasing Warren would make a lot of people happy, and more importantly point to either Seymour at DT or Williams at 8. 340. RaiderRockstar Says: Adam shefter said the raiders will release fargas and Warren here soon, before bonus kicks in…per his tweet. *** Jhill: that doesn’t sound anything like post #300 weird! 341. jhill Says: You’re a funny guy RRS. What part of 300 wasn’t true? Cable didn’t refer to Money as a team leader? or Is it you disagreeing with your boy Jerry on him being unblockable? 342. RaiderRockstar Says: Seymour & Kelly at DT would mean more time for Shaughnessy, but also means we’re drafting a DE. Ellis is old & brittle. entering the last year of his contract Richardson/Gunheim aren’t starter quality … Jason Pierre-Paul (DE South Florida) 343. jhill Says: RRS, Are you going to point out that I said Warren in his 11th year should be replaced? Should be a backup at best? Didn’t I say Williams should be one of the guys we consider at 8? Or maybe moving Seymour inside and drafting Morgan or Pierre Paul? You people! 344. RaiderRockstar Says: keep Dick at end. get a real NT! 345. RaiderRockstar Says: new post! 346. Norco Bob Says: I bet the 3 qb`s on final roster will be gradkowski, frye, and some vet we pick up late in preseason,..russell cut in final cuts. And wont be picked up by any team…word…but the mans rich, set for life, and thats whats important to him, so he wont piss and moan. 347. SteveAlford21 Says: I really hope we don’t draft JPP… I hate his attitude and it seriously gives me pause for concern. 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