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Asomugha won’t join Revis

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, March 4th, 2010 at 7:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Less than a half-hour into free agency, one popular offseason rumor has been scuttled.

(Jumped the gun by nearly 90 minutes on that one _ free agency began at 9 p.m. Pacific time)

ESPN is reporting the San Diego Chargers have traded cornerback Antonio Cromartie to the New York Jets in exchange for a third-round draft pick that could eventually become a second.

So much for Nnamdi Asomugha’s Pro Bowl request to join Darrelle Revis as the NFL’s premiere cornerback tandem with the Jets.

Unless, of course, the Jets plan on making Cromartie a highly-paid nickel back.

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  • Midwest Fan

    that’s gonna be a stellar D!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Trade for Ngata!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    imagine a DL with Seymour and Ngata at DTs! Who needs DEs?!

  • raiden305

    wow. how come we didnt get rob ryan :-(

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Ngata doesn’t play DT!!!!

    Kelly Gregg is the NT for the Ravens, and has been for 8 years.

    Could Ngata play DT in a 4-3…probably. But when Gregg went down in 2008, they kept Ngata at DE and started an undrafted rookie in place of Gregg.

  • RaiderResurrection

    I wish we had Haloti Ngata. :(

    How about we trade Howard to a Cover 2 team for draft picks.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Al,

    Don’t waste your money on Eugene, Routt, R Brown, and Morris.(Kirk, TH, and Condo are OK). Invest In C Dansby, J Peppers, or trade for a great young talent and pay them.

    STOP paying these bachips all that money. Warren, Walker, Fargas, EUK, and even TK!

  • Midwest Fan

    Don’t forget about Mawae O.

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    Raider O Says:
    March 4th, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Bruce GarbageKowski Is Great! His mom cooked for the entire team, and he works hard!

    ***********************************

    Pierogi’s for everybody!!!!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Vegas,

    You play players where you get the most production according to your scheme. Ngata can play all positions on the DLine!

  • RaiderDebo

    Chris in NY Says:
    March 4th, 2010 at 7:39 pm
    RaiderDebo,

    Besides blind hope, what makes you think JaBigmac is going to improve?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Dude, the “JaBigmac” BS clearly identifies you as a hater so any answer to your question probably won’t satisfy you. All I can say is that at times, though there weren’t very many, the guy CARRIED us to victory. We don’t beat KC or Denver without him. The best this team as looked in the last 4 years was the two-game stretch to end the season in 2008, behind JR. For the 1st time in his career, he’ll have the same WRs he had at at the end the previous season. I’m expecting the OL play to improve and have my fingers crossed that with increased attention from Cable, the run game will be better too. Our young receivers are a year older and hopefully Chaz stays healthy throughout training camp. With all the BS from the media and the hater fans, I expect JR to quietly come back here with a chip on his shoulder. We’ll see.

  • http://atm Raider O

    We know dude, we know!
    You have a man crush on Bruce.

  • Midwest Fan

    The Raider ALL-STAR team. Imagine the possibilities.

    Peppers
    Dansby
    resign warren for less $ and let him backup Kelly.

    Got Peppers and Seymore are interchangable with eachother at end and tackle, moving them around to confuse the D. Shaunassey/Ellis rotate in on other side. Howard/Dansby/Scott @ LB – assume Morrison gone but backs up all positions if he stays.

    You know the secondary. Maybe add another CB in later round – such as W Thurmond.

    Mawae
    Thomas Jones – can teach our other backs how to play the position – he still has plenty in the tank IMO.
    Use #8 on a tackle.
    Use 2nd or 3rd on another tackle or guard who can play multiple spots along the oline.

    Insert your option with the rest of the picks or FA prospects.

    Interested to hear your thoughts… NOT the ones that say not possible b/c I realize that, but on the eve of a interesting FA period… Lets have some fun.

  • http://atm Raider O

    MWfan,

    Can he still play? He is old.

    RR,

    I would trade TH for draft picks.

  • RaiderRon

    No way you can “expect” Russell to come with a chip on his shoulder. Change the word expect for “hope” or “wish”.

    Everything he gets from the media and “hater” fans he deserves. If he was on a different team you would be KILLING the kid.

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    O,

    Not sure why one would think he would be ultra successful as a 4-3 DT.

    He is a borderline Pro Bowl 3-4 DE. A guy who will make 3 or 4 pro bowls in his career, only because he plays on one of the best D’s in the league.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Haloti Ngata would be a godsend to this Raider team….might as well be talking about Peyton Manning coming to Oakland because neither will ever happen…

    Vegas,

    Bruce Gradkowski was cut by Cleveland, Tampa and St. Louis….he was brought in here to COMPETE for the 3rd string QB job behind JaDavis and Jeff Garcia.

    As you know, Garcia quit and Russell might as well have quit. Gradkowski was the next guy available. He started 3 games. In those 2 games he did okay…..that’s it.

    My guess is that Troy Smith would have been the starter in 2008 had he not gotten sick. Troy Smith was never cut by his team…in fact they tendered him today…

    I don’t think much of either QB…but to me the only difference between the two is luck and few times on the waiver wire.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Thank goodness Cromartie was traded ot the Jets. I was worried the Chargers were going to hustle us into trading Cromartie for Michael Bush.

    But since Fargas is going to be cut, Bush will now be our undisputed starter….DMAC won’t hold up as usual

  • RaiderRon

    SnB,

    How do you know Fargas is gonna be cut?

  • RaiderResurrection

    Seymour holds the point of attack. Perfect 3-4 end and perfect 4-3 tackle.

    All tackles should hold point of attack and fill gaps.
    On passing down a 3 technique should be swapped in to penetrate.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    This is a fine offseason so far.

    Let’s hope we finally get a run stuffing DT worthy of starting on day1 in the draft.

    No 40x workout warriors

  • RaiderRon

    Cromartie for Bush?? A starting Pro Bowl corner for a backup RB that has never even approached a 1000 yards. Sure the Chargers would have jumped all over that.

  • RaiderRon

    Why is this a “fine” off season?

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    SnB,

    That is your guess that Troy would have started. He was competing for the job, that’s it. Didn’t start a single preseason game.

    OK in his few games? He beat a playoff team, the Super Bowl champs on the road, and had the best 4th quarter any Oakland Raider ever had. Won NFL offensive player of the week. Was on pace for another 300 yard game when he got hurt.

    OK is a bit of an understatement no?

  • Chris in NY

    Vegas,
    You’re right. Should’ve double-checked on Smith’s accuracy stats. Not sure why I remembered them being that high. Still, in his two full seasons as a starter, he completed 62.9% and 65.3%. Very, very good.

    – His TD/INT ratio in those two years: 46/10
    – His passer ratings in those two years: 162.66 & 161.91
    – The percentage of 1st place Heisman votes he received: 86.7% (A Heisman record).

    And while Smith didn’t officially have the QB job in Baltimore before he got sick, he was an overwhelming favorite: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3560175

  • Chris in NY

    Chris Johnson > Cromartie
    Stanford Routt = Cromartie

    Cromartie was great his rookie year but a disappointment since. Teams obviously figured him out — or he got complacent. That’s why he was just traded for a 3rd-round pick … in next year’s draft.

  • http://atm Raider O

    MWfan,

    J Peppers, A Kampman, and Dansby are players that we should consider, and make room by cutting Walker, Fargas, Warren, and TK if needed.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    SnB,

    QB is one of those weird postions, to where you never really no until you put them on the field.

    You have guys with rocket arms who suck (Akili Smith), guys with noodle arms who are great (Drew Brees). 1st round picks who flop (Couch and many more), and 7th round picks who win more Super Bowls than anyone (Brady). Guys who suck for years, and than put it together for 5-6 good years (Vinny T) and guys who make Pro Bowls early and are out of the league in a few years (Aaron Brooks).

    You never know my friend. Talent and draft status are no rule of thumbs when looking at successful NFL QB’s.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Vegas,

    Troy Smith and Bruce Gradkowski are a push. Few people are overly impressed with 8 quarters of work. They haven’t forgotten 4 years of futility

  • jhill

    Stan Routt starts at CB next year opposite Nnamdi. You’ve got to know that.

  • Chris in NY

    And Vegas,

    I’m with you on Gradkowski. I’d just like to have some depth and two real options at what is by far the most important position on the field. Let those two battle it out — assuming of course JaBigmac doesn’t go ahead and fulfill his potential overnight.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Vegas,

    I agree that its not about arm strength and all that. Its a total package.

    I just think you are way to excited about a plodding QB that had a few good quarters of football.

    Just because JaDavis was terrible does not make this journeyman QB anything but a next guy standing.

    There is NO team in the NFL that would want this guy as the starter based on his body of work

    But if he starts, I hope he does well. I don’t care who starts, I just want to see progress towards building a Super Bowl team.

  • Raiders4eve

    Couldn’t we got Cromartie for a third rounder?

  • Midwest Fan

    I’d even be happy if we could just land 1 of those 3 O. Also would go with Mawae, only missed 2 games in last 2 years and helped lead the way for C Johnson to rush for a ton of yards.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Steve Young, Vinny T, Kurt Warner….wouldn’t we take any of these guys.

    When they were 26, they were worse off than Bruce.

    Bruce could be out of the league in 3 years, and could make 3 Pro Bowls. You never know.

    Matt Moore might be the next hot young QB. He played at 3 colleges, was undrafted, univited to the NFL combine, was released by the Cowboys and was an afterthought his first year in Carolina.

    He could make the Pro Bowl next year.

    Sit back, keep an open-mind, and hope like hell Bruce can get some protection and can help us win games. I think he gives us our best shot.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Since the Super Bowl is the long-term goal….if Gradkowski is indeed the starter…Davis had BETTER bring someone in.

    Gradkowski’s ceiling is low and I would hate to have to figure that out 5 or 7 years later

  • jhill

    If you think Al Davis will keep a guy like Stan Routt and not Russell, then I’ll just say I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • RaiderRon

    SnB,

    How do you know Fargas will get dropped?
    What has made this a fine offseason?

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Vegas,

    Good QBs RARELY just fall in someones lap. I also don’t believe in fairy tales.

    If Gradkowski was the man, some team would gladly give up a 2nd round pick and $3million dollars.

    But, like I said, cheer the kid on. He’s certainly a good kid if unremarkable.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Jhill,

    Chris Johnson will start this year and play well. He’s a good cornerback. Routt will have to beat out Johnson. No big deal.

    The Routt contract is only for 1 year. I am sure they will review progress at the end of next year.

    The secondary is not the biggest issue with this defense anyway.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Chris,

    I was never really that impressed with Troy in college, but admitadly, I think the Big 10 blows.

    I am for competition, and trust what Hue is doing. If he wants Troy, I support him.

    I just don’t think he would beat out Bruce. If he did, I would be a Troy Smith fan.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Troy Smith > GarbageKowski = The OSU > Mich

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    RaiderRon Says:
    March 4th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
    SnB,

    How do you know Fargas will get dropped?
    What has made this a fine offseason?
    =====================================================
    Because Adam Scheffter (spelling) said so. Because I can see it coming. Can’t be paying guys like Fargas and Warren starter money only to get backup or worse results.

    Those two will either be cut or restructured. Neither is a starter in this league.

    Fargas will catch on with someone as a backup running back.

    Warren will be out of the league…just like Sands.

    Tommy Kelly should be up for review too!

  • jhill

    Never underestimate the “Rudi” factor ….

    Wonder why a team like the Rams won’t take a chance on Gradkowski?

    Seattle or KC even?

  • RaiderDebo

    RaiderRon Says:
    March 4th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
    No way you can “expect” Russell to come with a chip on his shoulder. Change the word expect for “hope” or “wish”.

    Everything he gets from the media and “hater” fans he deserves. If he was on a different team you would be KILLING the kid.
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    That’s a bunch of BS!! If he was on another team and was faced with the circumstances he was faced with here, I’d still be sticking up for him. I’m not dumb enough to think that the success or failure of qbs in this leauge is entirely up to them. Gil Brandt said it best: No position is more important than qb, but no other position is more dependent on everyone around him doing his job. And I refuse to just use his bad games this year to judge his whole career. He had an encouraging 1st year as a starter. I’ve always defended guys like Lineart and Quinnn. Would you be bashing anyone else in his position this bad?

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    SnB,

    I disagree with the “rarely fall in lap” line.

    It happens almost every year. Matt Moore last year looks like one. Kurt Warner fell into the lap of two teams. Romo was undrafted. We know the Brady story. Hassleback was a 6th rounder.

    Not as uncommon as you think.

  • jhill

    CJ is making 2 million and Routt is making 3. CJ was on the other end of most of the big plays we gave up last year, and we didn’t miss him at all against the Ravens. 1st and 3rd rd tender this year, and you think we’ll let him walk next year? Why so the next guy in line John Holland can get a shot?

    Routt is starting man. And Cable identified the secondary as a major need. We don’t have but 3 corners on the roster so how can you say it’s not an issue?

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    If Jamarcus was around a structured environment, he would probably already be successful.

    But he is not. The Raiders don’t provide that structure, so we need a head-strong firey-leader.

    If you got one that is more talented than Bruce, let me know. Until than, Bruce it is.

    Jamarcus is damaged goods. Sucks for him, and especially us fans, but you have to call a spade a spade.

  • http://atm Raider O

    LMAO & “Rudi Factor”

  • jhill

    Vegas,

    Exclude locker room stuff and the rah rah, and tell me what you like about Bruce?

    He fumbles at almost the same rate as Russell and only has a 54% completion percentage.

    Shouldn’t we be looking/hoping for better than Russell AND Gradkowski?

    Skelton in rd 3!