Frye, Lawton tendered
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, March 4th, 2010 at 9:19 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders made qualifying offers to quarterback Charlie Frye and fullback Luke Lawton, keeping them off the unrestricted free agent market which opened about 20 minutes ago.
Frye was given an original round tender. A five-year veteran, Frye would earn $1,226 million with the Raiders in 2010 if on the roster this season. If he brings back an offer sheet from another team and the Raiders don’t match it, they would receive a third-round pick. Frye was a third-round pick of the Cleveland Browns in 2005, No. 67 overall.
Lawton was given simply a right of first-refusal tender. If he were to be signed by another team, there would be no compensation. Lawton ended the 2009 season and will open the 2010 season on a suspension for using performance enhancing drugs.
The Raiders did not extend qualifying offers to tackle Khalif Barnes or linebacker Jon Alston, meaning they are free agents.
One or both could still be signed by the Raiders during free agency.
The final tally of Raiders restricted free agents and their levels of compensation:
LB Ricky Brown, 2nd round
LS Jon Condo, 2nd round
S Hiram Eugene, 2nd round
QB Charlie Frye, 3rd round
QB Bruce Gradkowski, 2nd round
LB Thomas Howard, 2nd round
FB Luke Lawton, right of first refusal
C Chris Morris, 7th round
LB Kirk Morrison, 3rd round
CB Stanford Routt, 1st and 3rd round
RFA’s not tendered: Jon Alston, Khalif Barnes
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March 4th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
Really
March 4th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Troy Smith to be th eopening day starter for Hue Jack
March 4th, 2010 at 9:22 pm
Kahlif barnes what a waste…
March 4th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
So what are the expectations for the Raiders first 4 games with Gradkowski starting at QB?
March 4th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
So what are the expectations for the Raiders first 4 games with Gradkowski starting at QB?
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Do you really think he’ll start Jhill?
March 4th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Chris In Ny,
Kindly list all the nobodies too.
Quite frankly, I don’t see Gradkowski in that league either. Gradkowski is not even in the NFL had JaDavis not been such a cataclysmic BUST to date.
All those guys you listed up top got on a team and stuck in the league for a while.
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Should I list all the top-10 QB picks who bombed out of the league while I’m at it? Leaf, Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Shuler, Andre Ware — the list goes on and on and on.
As for all the guys but Warner getting on a team and sticking there until it was their time:
- The Raiders were Gannon’s 3rd or 4th stop.
- Jake Delhomme was a backup in New Orleans for years and spent time in the World League.
- Len Dawson was dumped from the NFL before being scooped up by the then-AFL Chiefs.
- Jim Plunkett was considered a bust with the Pats before becoming a backup with the Raiders and only getting a shot due to the starter’s injury.
- Matt Hasselbeck was buried on the depth chart in Green Bay before going to Seattle.
- Brad Johnson was taken in the 9th round of the draft. The Bucs were his 3rd team.
- Jeff Garcia spent extensive time in the Canadian Football League before getting a tryout with the 49ers.
- Kerry Collins was a bust on his 3rd team before meeting up with Jim Fassel in New York.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
# jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
So what are the expectations for the Raiders first 4 games with Gradkowski starting at QB?
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Kind of depends on the opponent, no?
March 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
Speaking of, Delhomme just got cut.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Chris…Plunkett also busted out with the Niners.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Obviously Delhomme is no longer good, but he was a quality starter for several years in Carolina and almost won them a Super Bowl. I’d sure as hell take a Super Bowl appearance right now, even if we were to come up short, rather than watching JaBigmac stumble to another season where if he’s lucky he throws 6 TD passes and we’re lucky if we win 5 games.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Debo,
The same 3 QBs are back from last year, so I’d suspect the depth chart will be the same. Russell is a young guy and him sitting on the bench is not the end of the world, IMO. He should have sat at least 2 years before seeing the field.
Now if the depth chart holds true, just wondering what type of record some of these guys expect?
March 4th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Richochet Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
# jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
So what are the expectations for the Raiders first 4 games with Gradkowski starting at QB?
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Kind of depends on the opponent, no?
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If anyone gets the first four starts, it will most likely be JaMarcus. Unless he loses th QB battle during the pre-season.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Gradkowski starts the first 8 games, wins 2. Russell is inserted, wins 2. Raiders finish 4-12.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:41 pm
The thing with you JaMarcus apologists is you’re completely hung up on this draft position thing. That’s all it’s about with you.
If Gradkowski was a No. 1 pick and played like he did in the 3.5 games before getting hurt, and JaMarcus was a journeyman 6th rounder who played like he did when he was in there last season, you’d be praising Gradkowski as the second-coming of Kenny Stabler and wondering why in the world JaMarcus wasn’t cut from the team months ago.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
I actually see a legitimate 4th QB entering the training camp mix for the 2010 season. Could be Troy Smith. Could be Losman. Could be Fordham QB John Skelton in the draft. If JaMarcus stinks it up and refuses to take a pay cut he’ll be gone. If JaMarcus shows some real progress Frye will probably get cut.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
The thing with you Gradkowski promoters is you can’t make a single argument for the guy without using Jamarcus Russell to boost his case.
Who cares where Gradkowski wsa drafted? That was bad man, lol.
The dude is simply not that impressive. I’ve said many times I’d like to see Losman, Frye, or even Skelton get a shot over Gradkowski. Ha nothing to do with Russell. Just don’t like Gradkowski as anything more than a backup.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Richochet Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
# jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
So what are the expectations for the Raiders first 4 games with Gradkowski starting at QB?
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Kind of depends on the opponent, no?
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If anyone gets the first four starts, it will most likely be JaMarcus. Unless he loses th QB battle during the pre-season.
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Be interesting how the “competition” plays out.
To be fair, Grad should get equal time with the 1’s, which he didn’t get last year.
Any success 2nd stringers get always get the disclaimer of “well, look who they played against..so and so wasn’t even on the field”..because, frankly, Russell had a pretty bad preseason last year. Granted, many were out, and many players struggled..not saying Russell’s woes were all on him, just saying getting a fair competition makes it easier to see a clear winner, if their is one.
If it’s close? No clear kick ass winner? Yeah, Al’s going to give JR another shot, which, again, if it’s close, he should get.
Can’t see it being close, however.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
They just said in NFL network that Antonio Bryant is visiting Oakland
March 4th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Obviously Delhomme is no longer good, but he was a quality starter for several years in Carolina and almost won them a Super Bowl. I’d sure as hell take a Super Bowl appearance right now, even if we were to come up short, rather than watching JaBigmac stumble to another season where if he’s lucky he throws 6 TD passes and we’re lucky if we win 5 games.
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The goal is to win Super Bowls…and be in the running for the ones you don’t win. Jake Delhomme is exactly the type of QB I don’t want Oakland to have. A guy that just can’t get you to that elite level. That’s Delhomme…..good QB..not a great one…not a differnce maker.
Also, the Gradkowski debate has nothing to do with JaDavis. This is about Gradkowski developing into a top 5 QB. That’s what we are talking about. Do you see him like that…or do you see him as a serviceable guy that will get you a couple of good games a couple of playoff appearances and then run out of gas? That’s how I see him.
As for JaDavis, he’s terrible and has been terrible. He should be forced to compete for the job like everyone else. What else is there to say.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
To be fair, Jhill, Grad and JR and basically frick and frack..how goes one, goes the other, it seems.
When deciding on who starts pretty much at any position, don’t have many other options except to compare the candidates.
I agree, at this point, neither seem to be “the future”..it’s just which, at this point, gives the team a better chance to win until “the future” falls from the sky.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
If JaMarcus stinks it up and refuses to take a pay cut he’ll be gone.
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You really think Al will keep a guy like Stan Routt but cut a guy like Russell?
March 4th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
If it is an open QB competition, I hope it’s just between two QB’s. Too often the end result is that neither QB gets enough reps to get their timing down, and both QB’s look awful.
They need one guy to step it up and claim the job.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
So they tendered Charlie Frye? Really? Luke Lawton?
Thanks goodness this is a non-cap year. Davis is tossing more money at fringe players…he could have saved millions just by letting most of these guys test the market.
But its his money. Just as long as there is enough to get a decent free agent or two that can help
March 4th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Thomas Howard: “I am not excited at all about this free agency”
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 4, 2010 11:12 PM ET
Add Oakland Raiders linebacker Thomas Howard to the list of players who aren’t thrilled about the uncapped year that starts in less than an hour.
Howard, who’s a restricted free agent in the uncapped year because he has only four years of NFL service, was tendered at the second-round level. And he’s not happy about the absence of a new Collective-Bargaining Agreement allowing the Raiders to restrict his movement while offering him a salary of $1.759 million.
“I am not excited at all about this free agency,” Howard said told David White of the San Francisco Chronicle. “I wish they got a CBA done and over with.”
Howard said he knows he’s not the only NFL player who feels that way.
“It’s not just me, it’s guys all around the league,” Howard said. “They say you can go wherever you want after four years, then they take it away. You want to have that freedom but you really don’t. What can you do?”
Well, what you can do is convince your union to come to an agreement with the owners. But no one sees that happening this year. So Howard is going to stay unhappy until at least 2011.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Jhill,
What does one (Routte) have to do with the other(Russell)?
March 4th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
LOL Rich!
What needs to fall out of the sky is a decent Oline. Without that, we fail miserably because we won’t be able to run the ball.
And I give Gradkowski 4 games before his Garcia like antics gets him blasted forcing the guy behind him in the game.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
March 4th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Richochet Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
# jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
So what are the expectations for the Raiders first 4 games with Gradkowski starting at QB?
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Kind of depends on the opponent, no?
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If anyone gets the first four starts, it will most likely be JaMarcus. Unless he loses th QB battle during the pre-season.
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Be interesting how the “competition” plays out.
To be fair, Grad should get equal time with the 1’s, which he didn’t get last year.
Any success 2nd stringers get always get the disclaimer of “well, look who they played against..so and so wasn’t even on the field”..because, frankly, Russell had a pretty bad preseason last year. Granted, many were out, and many players struggled..not saying Russell’s woes were all on him, just saying getting a fair competition makes it easier to see a clear winner, if their is one.
If it’s close? No clear kick ass winner? Yeah, Al’s going to give JR another shot, which, again, if it’s close, he should get.
Can’t see it being close, however.
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I agree with this. I just hope we don’t take too long to decide. I ‘d like to see it firgured out by the 2ns preseason game. Let the starter get the snaps.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Apparently there are 212 players who can be offered tenders, as opposed to be UFA’s. No wonder Howard is ticked off, it sounds like a win for the owners.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:58 pm
Both appear to the average fan to be terrible players, and they both are guys Al Davis loves.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Thomas Howard can get mad all he wants but his own value will determine interest from other teams. If a team feels that Howard is good enough to merit giving up a 2nd round pick, then they will offer him a contract and if the Raiders match it, Howard still gets a bigger and better contract. If nobody wants Howard bad enough, then hes going to get paid what he deserves and thats what the market valued him at.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:02 pm
jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:47 pm
The thing with you Gradkowski promoters is you can’t make a single argument for the guy without using Jamarcus Russell to boost his case.
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No argument without bringing up Russell? I’ll give it a try.
The thing with Gradkowski is you have a small sample to work with. He has fewer career starts than a lot of 1st and 2nd-year QBs. He only had 3.5 starts in Oakland. But Paul Hackett — widely considered one of the best QB teachers in the game — obviously likes him since it’s no coincidence that Gradkowski was one of Hackett’s pupils in Tampa before landing in Oakland.
Here are the numbers from Gradkowski’s 3.5 starts projected out to a full season (keep in mind 3 of the 4 teams he faced were very good this season):
Record: 10-6/11-5
Passing Yards: 3,988
Passing TDs: 24
INTs: 4
Rushing yards: 296 [Only Aaron Rodgers (316) and David Garrard (323) put up more]
So yeah, I’m pretty pleased with how Gradkowski played as a starter for us last year. Obviously you can’t guarantee these kind of numbers projected out based on a quarter of a season, but it does give you some perspective on the level he was truly playing at as well.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:04 pm
You’re right, no qb is going to last long behind that O line. Need a massive lobotomy, or going to have to carry 6 qb’s to get through the season.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Here are the numbers from Gradkowski’s 3.5 starts projected out to a full season (keep in mind 3 of the 4 teams he faced were very good this season):
Record: 10-6/11-5
Passing Yards: 3,988
Passing TDs: 24
INTs: 4
Rushing yards: 296 [Only Aaron Rodgers (316) and David Garrard (323) put up more]
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Dude this is the biggest crock of HS I’ve ever seen in my life!!! Projected out to a full season???? Give me a freakin break! Please tell me you’re not serious.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
But Paul Hackett — widely considered one of the best QB teachers in the game — obviously likes him since it’s no coincidence that Gradkowski was one of Hackett’s pupils in Tampa before landing in Oakland.
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LOL!
Says who, Gannon?
Wasn’t he just a scout for us before Al gave him a job on Cable’s staff? Developing Chad Pennington does not make you this great QB coach.
Projecting 2 wins into 10-11 wins?
Cmon Chris! Cmon man!
March 4th, 2010 at 10:07 pm
The fact is…it was obvious how much better the offense was run with Gradkowski at the helm. He was smooth. He was a leader. The offense moved down the field. He’s young and hes really coming into his own as a professional QB. That doesn’t make him perfect or the best guy but I liked what I saw from him. I have no problems having him start for the Raiders. My biggest concern is who starts if he gets hurt and thats where I’m worried. I’m worried to death to see JR start another game. I feel better with Frye but I don’t feel confident.
Gradkowski was more accurate, made smarter decisions and did more with the same people JR played with. It helps that JR looks so bad, Gradkowski doesn’t have to do much to look better but I honestly thought he ran the offense well and looked comfortable. Maybe he hit his ceiling and won’t improve any more than he already has but its worth watching him again. I just want the best guy to win the job, whoever that may be. Gradkowski looks better than JR at this point in time.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Obviously Delhomme is no longer good, but he was a quality starter for several years in Carolina and almost won them a Super Bowl. I’d sure as hell take a Super Bowl appearance right now, even if we were to come up short, rather than watching JaBigmac stumble to another season where if he’s lucky he throws 6 TD passes and we’re lucky if we win 5 games.
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The goal is to win Super Bowls…and be in the running for the ones you don’t win. Jake Delhomme is exactly the type of QB I don’t want Oakland to have. A guy that just can’t get you to that elite level. That’s Delhomme…..good QB..not a great one…not a differnce maker.
Also, the Gradkowski debate has nothing to do with JaDavis. This is about Gradkowski developing into a top 5 QB. That’s what we are talking about. Do you see him like that…or do you see him as a serviceable guy that will get you a couple of good games a couple of playoff appearances and then run out of gas? That’s how I see him.
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Really a top-5 QB? That’s what we’re talking about? We’ve just come off of our 8th straight season of double-digit losses. I’d like to worry about putting up a couple of winning seasons and getting into the tournament right now and taking our chances with that. I’d at least like to see our offense NOT led by incompetent QBs who go out and produce faceplant after faceplant of touchdownless games week after week after week. I don’t know when or where the next Brady, Manning, Brees or Rodgers is going to arrive. I certainly don’t see any QBs of that caliber sitting out there in FA or in the draft. What do you suggest we do until one falls into our lap?
March 4th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
ChrisinNY says
Here are the numbers from Gradkowski’s 3.5 starts projected out to a full season (keep in mind 3 of the 4 teams he faced were very good this season):
Record: 10-6/11-5
Passing Yards: 3,988
Passing TDs: 24
INTs: 4
Rushing yards: 296 [Only Aaron Rodgers (316) and David Garrard (323) put up more]
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Again, such a great player should have been re-signed to a long-term deal…not placed with a lousy 2nd round tender?
Can’t wait to see the offers that float in for this great QB. 4,000 yards, 24TDS and only 4ints.
Wow!
What the hell was St. Louis and Cleveland thinking when they cut him last year?
March 4th, 2010 at 10:11 pm
Chris,
Seriously man. What did you see in the Cincy game that makes you think that he can take us to 10-11 wins? The guy had all of 100 yds passing right up until the last 2 minutes of the game.
Pittsburgh game was the luckiest 4th qtr EVER!
Those 4 possessions DO NOT translate to 10-11 wins man and a trip to the Pro Bowl.
24 picks – 4 TDs, and the guy only gets a 2nd rd tender? What are these teams thinking? Certainly the Rams would take that guy for a #2 instead of paying 40 million to a guy with coming out of college, right?
March 4th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
I pointed out that you can’t really rely on a projection of 3.5 games out to a full 16 games worth of stats, wins and losses. But it was just to give some perspective.
You guys are acting like Gradkowski’s performance was on par with what we’ve seen from McCown, Culpepper, JaMarcus and all the rest. It wasn’t it was much, much better. That’s all I’m trying to say.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:16 pm
24,
Gradkowski barely cracked 50% completions and fumbled at the same rate that Russell did. It’s not too late to try and get a better option than a mini Garcia? Why trade on scrub for another?
You are already talking about when, not if Grads gets hurt. My point exactly. He’s good for what 4 games? Then what? Frye couldn’t even last as long as Grads did.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Jhill, OffenseDefense and All the rest,
Final word on Bruce Almighty.
All I can say is this:
They laughed at Jesus too, man. They laughed at Jesus, too.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Jhill, OffenseDefense and All the rest,
Final word on Bruce Almighty.
All I can say is this:
They laughed at Jesus too, man. They laughed at Jesus, too.
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Oh my goodness! Man, the last 8 years is killing the fan base
March 4th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
You guys are acting like Gradkowski’s performance was on par with what we’ve seen from McCown,
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In fact, McCown WAS better. Had close to a 60% completion %.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:22 pm
Richochet Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:32 pm
# jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
So what are the expectations for the Raiders first 4 games with Gradkowski starting at QB?
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Kind of depends on the opponent, no?
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Trying to copy my speech now, yes?
March 4th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
jhill Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
You guys are acting like Gradkowski’s performance was on par with what we’ve seen from McCown,
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In fact, McCown WAS better. Had close to a 60% completion %.
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In Kiffin’s dink and dunk offense McCown completed 58% of his passes (Bruce completed 54% in his 4 starts). How many of McCown’s completions went past the line of scrimmage? How many wins did he produce? How many losses?
Answers:
- About a dozen
- 2
- 7
March 4th, 2010 at 10:30 pm
I’m sick and tired of hearing that Grads played better with the same supporting cast. That’s pure fiction! He played with Gallery, Schilens, and Mcfadden back. Also, Cable decided to play Johnnie Lee Higgins more when Gradkowski played instead of DHB. You think it’s a coincidience that the receivers had their best game against Pittsburgh, the smae game that Cable had DHB on the bench and started Schilens and JLH? Remember those two as starters to end 2008? If you want to compare apples to apples, what did he do when he relieved Russell in the Jets and Chiefs games? Nothting! Once Russell got a chance to play with Schilens and more importantly WITHOUT DHB, he played much better. Surprise, surprise. Can’t wait to see these guys compete.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
OK JaMarcus fans. I’m sorry. Let me break out the official Oakland Raiders violin — uh oh. Looks like #2 hocked it for Mad Dog 20/20, diamond polish, and Popeye’s chicken again. JaaaaaMMMaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrccussssss!!!
March 4th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
OK JaMarcus fans. I’m sorry. Let me break out the official Oakland Raiders violin — uh oh. Looks like #2 hocked it for Mad Dog 20/20, diamond polish, and Popeye’s chicken again. JaaaaaMMMaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrccussssss!!!
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Lol!! Finally, the truth comes out. Again, why didn’t you just say this in the 1st place? Could have saved me some keystrokes. Lol!
March 4th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
So, the Raiders are going into next season with the same QB’s????
There’s a lot riding on Hue Jackson.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
So, the Raiders are going into next season with the same QB’s????
There’s a lot riding on Hue Jackson
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Think he’s up to it?
March 4th, 2010 at 10:45 pm
I guess if they haven’t offered Losman a tender by now, they’ll just let go to free agency.
That experiment appears to be over.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
According to my research, he’s done very well at position groups, not so well as OC. (2 short stints)
I hope he can touch Russell. I think he can, if he can overcome the dysfunction in the organization.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
OK JaMarcus fans. I’m sorry. Let me break out the official Oakland Raiders violin — uh oh. Looks like #2 hocked it for Mad Dog 20/20, diamond polish, and Popeye’s chicken again. JaaaaaMMMaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrccussssss!!!
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Lol!! Finally, the truth comes out. Again, why didn’t you just say this in the 1st place? Could have saved me some keystrokes. Lol!
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What does that mean? I guess the implication would be that I’m a racist and that’s the only reason I don’t like an overweight, lazy, lousy QB who throws 3 TD passes and turns the ball over 17 times in a season.
Hell, I drink Mad Dog every once in a while (stay away from the Buck Bunny flavor). I’m just using that for comic effect to go along with the many rumors/pictures that JaMarcus likes to booze it up and party much more than he likes to work on his game. The diamonds are another example of JaMarcus putting himself out there as someone who obviously feels they hit the lottery and has basically retired to an extravagant life of luxury while simply collecting his check. And I guess if I wanted to be all P.C. I should’ve come up with another fatty food that requires no effort on the part of the person eating it. I often call him JaBigMac. But I just thought Popeye’s is a little funnier than the played out McDonald’s reference.
I’ve been in here in recent days defending Obama. I’d never sit there and criticize Nnamdi or Schilens or Howard or Morrison or Seymour or just about every other black player on the team like this. JaMarcus just does it to himself by being an overweight, apathetic, clown who shows zero interest in giving an honest effort to the fans or organization that has made him a rich, rich man or the teammates who could really use his help to succeed in their own careers.
In short: eat me.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
According to my research, he’s done very well at position groups, not so well as OC. (2 short stints)
I hope he can touch Russell. I think he can, if he can overcome the dysfunction in the organization.
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Talked to a guy that played at USC when he was there. He wasn’t impressed. Whatever. Hope he and Russell connect too.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
RaiderDebo,
And if you think I’m being hard on JaMarcus, you should’ve read the criticisms I still sometimes level at Andrew Walter for sucking on a level equal to JaMarcus.
Or you should consider that I was in here earlier tonight saying (black QB) Troy Smith should be the team’s No. 1 priority in free agency.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Wow, sad to hear that.
I met a guy at the barbershop last pre-season who went to LSU with Russell. He wasn’t impressed either.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Does anyone know the answer to this.If the one of the guys that has been tendered is signed by another team before this years draft would they get the draft pick in this years draft??Is there a specific cut off date regarding this?? Let me know Bloggers.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Alameda_Lee Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Does anyone know the answer to this.If the one of the guys that has been tendered is signed by another team before this years draft would they get the draft pick in this years draft??Is there a specific cut off date regarding this?? Let me know Bloggers.
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Yes. I’m 99% sure that’s correct. Don’t know the cutoff date though. Has to be at least a full 7 days before the draft though since team’s get a week to respond to contracts offered to their RFAs.
March 4th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
I will say…I don’t think it was exactly fair to start 2 rookies at WR. This is the part where Javon Walker should have been playing. Whether people like him or not, having a veteran on the field with Jamarcus would have helped in tremendously instead of 2 wide eyed rookies that were likely overwhelmed. Sure, Murphy showed some promise but there was a lot of thinking going on for those guys. The Schilens and Miller injury and the big hit on JLH really messed things up for the receiving core. Walker should have been on the field.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
2 rookie WR’s and a 7 set drop scheme, while ignoring the running game. Real tough.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Alameda_Lee,
Not 100% sure, but I do belive that it would next year’s draft that they receive the pick. I do believe they would receive the pick as a compensatory pick. So after all the teams have drafted, the team receiving the compensatory pick would make their selection. So instead of 32 picks in a round, their could be 40 in total.
Usually the 6th and 7th rounds are loaded with compensatory picks.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
OK JaMarcus fans. I’m sorry. Let me break out the official Oakland Raiders violin — uh oh. Looks like #2 hocked it for Mad Dog 20/20, diamond polish, and Popeye’s chicken again. JaaaaaMMMaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrccussssss!!!
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Lol!! Finally, the truth comes out. Again, why didn’t you just say this in the 1st place? Could have saved me some keystrokes. Lol!
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What does that mean? I guess the implication would be that I’m a racist and that’s the only reason I don’t like an overweight, lazy, lousy QB who throws 3 TD passes and turns the ball over 17 times in a season.
Hell, I drink Mad Dog every once in a while (stay away from the Buck Bunny flavor). I’m just using that for comic effect to go along with the many rumors/pictures that JaMarcus likes to booze it up and party much more than he likes to work on his game. The diamonds are another example of JaMarcus putting himself out there as someone who obviously feels they hit the lottery and has basically retired to an extravagant life of luxury while simply collecting his check. And I guess if I wanted to be all P.C. I should’ve come up with another fatty food that requires no effort on the part of the person eating it. I often call him JaBigMac. But I just thought Popeye’s is a little funnier than the played out McDonald’s reference.
I’ve been in here in recent days defending Obama. I’d never sit there and criticize Nnamdi or Schilens or Howard or Morrison or Seymour or just about every other black player on the team like this. JaMarcus just does it to himself by being an overweight, apathetic, clown who shows zero interest in giving an honest effort to the fans or organization that has made him a rich, rich man or the teammates who could really use his help to succeed in their own careers.
In short: eat me.
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Let me get this straight. You clown Russell by referring to Mad Dog 20/20, his bling and Popeye’s fried chicken, and i’m NOT supposed to think there’s any racial implication?? You must think everyone on this board is stupid! And by the way, what the hell does his wearing diamonds or that he likes to have a few cocktails or the fact that he’s enjoying the trappings of fame and fortune have to do with football? Dude, you’re a freakin piece of work. Let me give you a tip. If you don’t want to come off as a racist POS, shut the hell up.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:02 pm
*7 step drop scheme*
March 4th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
Alameda_Lee,
You just received two conflicting answers.
Is everything clear now???
If there is a cutoff date, then I imagine the picks could be for this year. The rest would be part of the following year’s draft.
Clear as mud???
March 4th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
google it.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:06 pm
24 Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
I will say…I don’t think it was exactly fair to start 2 rookies at WR. This is the part where Javon Walker should have been playing. Whether people like him or not, having a veteran on the field with Jamarcus would have helped in tremendously instead of 2 wide eyed rookies that were likely overwhelmed. Sure, Murphy showed some promise but there was a lot of thinking going on for those guys. The Schilens and Miller injury and the big hit on JLH really messed things up for the receiving core. Walker should have been on the field.
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I can buy that. I still don’t see a ton of hope for JaMarcus but that’s a legit argument. I was actually in here after every game for the first half of the season defending JaMarcus and deflecting the blame to WRs, o-line, coaches, etc. Don’t remember when I realized I was just kidding myself and really just hoping that JaMarcus would emerge as something special. I think it was a week or 2 before they benched him for Gradkowski.
The only glimmer of hope I have attached to JaMarcus at this point is that he would often emerge when we were losing in the last 5 minutes of games and look like a totally different QB. Happened in Week 1 vs. the Chargers. Happened in Week 2 against the Chiefs. Happened in the second game against Denver when he came off the bench. If the coaches could somehow get JaMarcus to play every down with the style and sense of urgency he plays with in those situations, he might redeem himself yet. Do I see it happening? No.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
Northern D, do you think it is compensatory or does the team that signed the pick lose there pick in the draft.It would’nt seem fair depending on how many picks are signed to possibly have 40-50 picks in the second or third round to make up the compensatory.I wrote to Florio but still waiting to hear.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Normally that’s how it works. When a team signs a free agent, they don’t lose their own pick. The team that lost the free agent, just gets the pick to replace the player they lost.
This year may be different with no salary cap.
Let me know when you hear back.
That was a good question.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Debo and Jhill, It’spointless to continue trying to defend to people like this.It just brings out the worst in them. They have no concept of what their talking about, it’s all emotional. So IMO You just let the process answer the questions.
Russell is very capable of taking care of the situation himself and if he can’t beta out a QB like Gradkowski, well you just move on. We then know we have to bring another talent capable of big things. My next hope would rest on Andrew Luck or the kid at USC. Maybe even Locker at Washington. But even Ray Charles can see Gradkowski aint it…………period
Stanford Routt IMO is a very good 3rd corner even 2nd corner I’d like to know of a better one out there.
Jerry you are one funny guy concerning Mr Davis’ finances talking abut he desn’t spend much on PR and other front office positions. As if that is saving him millions. Probably not even a hlaf mill a year at best would take care of all the personnel you need. The rest is done by the NFL licensing. They don’t really allow individual promotions unless it’s for the individual radio agreements. Everything else is on the website. Raider related shows on local TV.
So enlighten us what huge dollars are you speaking of?
Hey 24 you never answered my question smart guy. I have another one; what blocking scheme will allow the running play 17 bob tray “O”. There is maybe two but especially one which is it since you know more football than Al Davis.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Debo,
Let me give you a tip: I don’t give a sh-t about your uptight, politically correct azz. I was making a joke by painting a ridiculous picture of a rich and famous pro athlete who has been a tremendous disappointment to this fan base largely because of his own carelessness. Like I said, I don’t give a sh-t about political correctness so that’s why I didn’t hold back on those somewhat edgy associations. I just get the sense that what I said is a reasonably accurate caricature of JaMarcus Russell.
And you said:
“And by the way, what the hell does his wearing diamonds or that he likes to have a few cocktails or the fact that he’s enjoying the trappings of fame and fortune have to do with football?”
I guess the answer is: nothing. And that’s my whole point right there. What does JaMarcus do that has anything to do with football? Besides wear the uniform and collect his pay check. The only time I sensed any real sense of passion in him this whole season is when someone asked him at the end of the year about whether he’ll have to restructure his contract and take less than the $9.5 million he’s due to make in 2010.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Having to give a player a ton of money AND lose a draft pick is huge disincentive for signing free agents. I don’t think many teams would be active in the free agent market if they had to do both.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Which blocking scheme is it? 17 bob tray “O” will allow that play.
Come on smart guy you know more football than Al Davis.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
Priesttj
Al Davis is the General Manager, and he’s 29-83, not 24.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
This was Florios answer.
“deadline is eight days before 2010 draft. 2011 picks don’t apply”
I asked about the compensatory picks and if the team that signs loses there pick in that round.I will let you know what I hear.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Well Chris maybe you saw what you wanted to see because I saw a lot of things that were football related. Maybe you’re just a hater plain and simple.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Chris in NY
It’s alright peckerwood, it’s all good.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
KKK why don’t you post that abpout 100 more times maybe I’ll get your point.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:26 pm
Priesttj
The point is, lecturing the fans is besides the point. The fans are not in charge, Al Davis is.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
I’m 99% sure that teams that sign another team’s Restrictred Free Agents have to give up their pick to the RFA’s original team. Compensatory picks involve some other formula for lost Unrestricted Free Agents.
So a team that signs Routt would have to give us their 1st and 3rd round picks. A team that signs Morrison would give us their 3rd round pick (because those are the values those guys were tendered at). If teams sign one or more of our UFAs we may get some compensatory picks but I’m not quite sure how those are calculated.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
priesttj Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Debo and Jhill, It’spointless to continue trying to defend to people like this.It just brings out the worst in them. They have no concept of what their talking about, it’s all emotional. So IMO You just let the process answer the questions.
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Priest, hadn’t been around her long enough to figure that out. Tonight was an eye-opener. I get it now.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
With the kirk morrison for a third tender, I smell a taylor mays conversion from safety to lb pick at #8 in the draft this year. Watch and see. Als probably thinking we may can get bruce campbell in the second.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
KK, when fans run their damn mouths about things they don’t know and profess to know them I’ll do as I please. Thank you!!
March 4th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
So, the Raiders are going into next season with the same QB’s????
There’s a lot riding on Hue Jackson.
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Yep and they are going with the same terrible owner/gm they have had for the last 7 years and the same personnel man making the same bad decisions. Also from what it looks like they will be going in with the same underachieving team also, with all these tenders being thrown around.
We can only hope someone decides to sign Howard so the team would be a 2nd rounder….but then again….the old man will screw that pick up anyway.
Yeah….nothing has been done to make me even come close to buying season tickets.
The blackouts will continue….PERIOD. LOL
March 4th, 2010 at 11:31 pm
You guys are fuk’ng imbeciles.
See, I said “you guys” and not “you people.” I’m learning!!! Praise the lord, I’m learning!!!
March 4th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
# priesttj Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
KK, when fans run their damn mouths about things they don’t know and profess to know them I’ll do as I please. Thank you!!
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Yeahhh….you tell us how it is Priessty! Yeah!
Sell us this less than mediocre product!
Sell it sucka! LOL
March 4th, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Priesttj Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
KK, when fans run their damn mouths about things they don’t know and profess to know them I’ll do as I please. Thank you!!
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You’re a fan, you run your damn mouth about things you know nothing about. (Kiffin/Davis fued)
You might have a little more humility, no?
March 4th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
DKnight007
So far, the only change is Hue Jackson. Can he overcome the institutional dysfunction? Probably not.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:36 pm
Antonio Bryant visiting Oakland!
March 4th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 1:27 am
Seymour Bush, our argument was never, ever, who Gruden “developed”. Stop re-framing this argument every time you get stumped.
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Dude, what are you? A Grade A fukking moron or can you not read? It’s either A or B. There is NO OTHER OPTION. I tried to dumb it down to the simplest fukking thing possible and you STILL DON’T GET IT. Let’s try again. Here is the very lst post:
Seymour Bush Says:
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Real MaddenRaider please name all the great players Gruden and Allen drafted during their 8 years in Tampon Bay, when they had full control of the roster.
You haven’t named one! You are a Grade A moron! STFU!
March 4th, 2010 at 11:37 pm
We know Chris, unless we call Russell every disrepectful name we can think of then we are imbeciles. If we see things differently than you haters do then we are imbeciles if we see that this kid has unusal talent and that he has what it takes it’ll just take some time similar to Frye and Gradkowski then we are imbeciles. Only thing about being imbeciles that I like Chris is that it’s only in YOUR OPINION it’s not fact.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
If Brandon Spikes falls to the Raiders in Round 2 they should snag him…..but then again just like Maualuga was there in the 2nd if they were aggressive enough to trade up for…..they will pass on him for a freakin KR like Joacoby Ford or Antonio Brown…..watch!
I wouldn’t have any problem if a KR was taken with one of those two 3rd Round picks…..but knowing the idiotic senile old stubborn old man Al….he will REACH for one of those speedy KR specialists with thet 2nd Round pick. Sheesh….
March 4th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Chris in NY, I am pretty sure you are right.I just saw that April 15th is the deadline to sign restricted free agents that have tenders.So the teams signing a tendered free agent would lose there draft pick or picks in this years draft.So I guess if no one signs the restricted free agents that player gets a specified amount of money on the 15th and that is his contract.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 1:27 am
Seymour Bush, our argument was never, ever, who Gruden “developed”. Stop re-framing this argument every time you get stumped.
I’ll rehash this whole thing, right now. And you can go back and quote tid bits of my comments all you like.
I mocked Al Davis’s ability to scout talent today.
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HEY DUMFUK. WE’RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AL DAVIS. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT JON GRUDEN. WHAT PART OF “PLEASE NAME ALL THE GREAT PALYER GRUDEN AND ALLEN DRAFTED DURING THEIR 8 YEARS IN TAMPON BAY WHEN THEY HAD FULL CONTROL OF THE ROSTER” DO YOU NOT GET??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
March 4th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
KK so might you but you haven’t slowed a bit have you? you’re 100 times more disrespectful than I am. You just don’t want me to defend Mr Davis. that’s all
But I’ll do it every time I feel like it. wether you like it or not.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Priestj,
I think we’re talking about two different things. I’m not that worked up about JaMarcus’ abilities.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
You guys probably think Epic Beard Man’s a racist too.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
If Brandon Spikes falls to the Raiders in Round 2 they should snag him…
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I hate to tell you, but if Spikes came out last year, he would have gone in the lst round. He is slipping. Like you. Dknight007, you don’t know your ass from a freaking hole in the ground. Admit it. It’s the first step in improving.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Alameda_Lee Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Chris in NY, I am pretty sure you are right.I just saw that April 15th is the deadline to sign restricted free agents that have tenders.So the teams signing a tendered free agent would lose there draft pick or picks in this years draft.So I guess if no one signs the restricted free agents that player gets a specified amount of money on the 15th and that is his contract.
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That makes sense.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
I ain’t prejudice. JaMarcus could be a Chinaman for all I care. Wouldn’t change the fact he had 3 TDs and 17 turnovers last season.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Seymour Bush, I never said that Gruden drafted great players, or developed great players. I said that he put good teams together and acquired good players. That’s it. You tried to refute that point with a lie, and then a weak response, having to do with the strength of the schedule. Then you flip flopped back to the Dungy lie. You said Alstott was a force on that team. He didn’t even play in ‘07! You’re either a liar you you don’t now shyt about the NFL.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
Typo in the last sentence.
Let me rephrase, Seymour.
You’re either a liar, or you don’t know shyt about the NFL.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 1:10 am
Seymour Bush, what is with the gay references? Do you think I find it an insult to be called gay? Do you have a problem with gay people?
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I never said ANYTHING about anyone being gay. You did. But then, if some dudes diks up your ass…..
March 4th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
Chris,
When you hate somene because they do things peculiar to a certain race or cultural enfluence wether you realise it or not it’s called prejudice. If it’s specific to a race of people it’s racist wether you want to admit it or not.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 3rd, 2010 at 6:04 pm
But Richochet
Your whole life’s pleasure seems to be personal insults. I don’t see any interest in the Raiders at all from you.
You just come here to put down people.
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Who said Kell dont know what hes talking about?
March 4th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Seymour, tell me again how great of a year Alstott had in ‘07. Come on.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Seymour Bush, I never said that Gruden drafted great players, or developed great players.
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Then you admit, that Gruden did nothing, and your entire argument is a sham. Because that’s what we were discussing. Thank you for admitting you are a known bone head.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:55 pm
The thing you have to remember with Gruden and the Raiders is that it was AL,Gruden and Bruce Allen together building that team.The facts are out there now AL cannot do it himself any more AND Gruden and Bruce Allen could’nt develop a consistent winner in Tampa.
March 4th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
When did I admit that Gruden did nothing? I said that Gruden acquired good players and put a couple of good teams together. That’s all I ever said.
Seymour, remember when you said that Gruden only won in ‘07 because of Dungy’s players? Remember how you specifically named Alstott, when he didn’t play one down in ‘07? Ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!1
March 4th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Alameda, I don’t think Al had a whole lot to do with it. I think Al did everything to mess up what Gruden and Allen were doing. Janikowski?
March 4th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Alameda, you just said it. Al can’t do it by himself. Gruden built a couple of decent teams without Al. Al’s done NOTHING without Gruden since Gruden left.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:00 am
.The facts are out there now AL cannot do it himself any more AND Gruden and Bruce Allen could’nt develop a consistent winner in Tampa.
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I don’t think Al could ever do it by himself. The Raiders haven’t been the same since Ron Wolfe left, or since the advent of Free Agency in 1989.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Seymour Bush Says:
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Real MaddenRaider please name all the great players Gruden and Allen drafted during their 8 years in Tampon Bay, when they had full control of the roster.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
When did I admit that Gruden did nothing? I said that Gruden acquired good players and put a couple of good teams together. That’s all I ever said.
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WHAT ARE YOU STOOOOOOOOOOPID???? Read the question. Name all the great players Gruden drafted? You still, now four days later, can’t name one! Not one!! You are dancing like some dude on the floor of some gay bar in Sacto dude.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Seymour, come on. Name all of those Dungy players that helped Gruden win the division title in ‘07. Remember how you named a bunch of them? (tsk, only 2 players from the Dungy era started on the Tampa ‘07 team. But don’t tell Seymour. Just let him talk…)
March 5th, 2010 at 12:04 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:03 am
Seymour, come on. Name all of those Dungy players that helped Gruden win the division title in ‘07
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I’ve done that five times! You haven’t answered the one question I have asked. Answer the question real maddenraider. Answer it!
March 5th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Seymour, yes, you did do that 5 times! The only problem is, Seymour, is that you were wrong. You named Alstott (didn’t play one down in ‘07). You named Brian Kelly (played only sparingly). You were either lying, or you have no idea what you’re talking about.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:07 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
If Brandon Spikes falls to the Raiders in Round 2 they should snag him…
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I hate to tell you, but if Spikes came out last year, he would have gone in the lst round. He is slipping. Like you. Dknight007, you don’t know your ass from a freaking hole in the ground. Admit it. It’s the first step in improving.
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Ooops….poor baby….did I hurt your feelings when I called you out on your IDIOCY earlier in the week?
Of course I was one of the MANY who have called you out on your BS on here almost on a daily basis.
You have ZERO credibility in here and you know it….just like Priesst….don’t try and warp the simple minded into thinking you actually know what your talking about. Your lost….
March 5th, 2010 at 12:09 am
2 players from the Dungy era, Seymour. That’s it. Ronde Barber and Derrick Brooks. Barber had a less than stellar season, himself. Brooks was solid. I’ll give you Brooks. Only one Dungy player really had an impact on that team, Derrick Brooks. That’s it. Meanwhile on the offensive side of the ball you had Jeff Garcia, who made the pro bowl. Earnest Graham and Joey Galloway, each with a thousand yards from scrimmage. But I’m sure that had nothing to do with it. It was all Brooks. All Dungy. Sure.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:10 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:05 am
Seymour, yes, you did do that 5 times! The only problem is, Seymour, is that you were wrong. You named Alstott (didn’t play one down in ‘07). You named Brian Kelly (played only sparingly). You were either lying, or you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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No, realMaddenRaider, what I said was, the best players on that team were Dungy’s guys. Derrick Brooks. Ronde Barber. Alstott was the full back that ran the offense that Earnest Graham took over once Alstott got hurt. Brian Kelly was the leader of that 2ndary for 4 years. Greg Spires and Simeon Rice were brought on by Dungy and Mckay. We HAVE ALREADY GONE OVER THIS FIVE TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!! You are a little ho bi-tch arent you?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:10 am
SEYMOUR,
Remember your the idiot who came in here and try to tell everyone how much money you have and what you supposedly did before you were 21 and and how much mommy daddy paid for you house…..blah….blah….blah….
Stuff not one person in here really cares about! LOL
Sad….
March 5th, 2010 at 12:11 am
RealMadden, Janikowski was definitely an AL pick but if you remember the 1999 Season before Jano the Raiders were 8-8 and proably would have won more games with better kickers.I do agree that they proably could have got a better player but with Jano in 2000 they were 12-4 a sick lose to the Ravens away from the SB.
And I saying WITH Jano not because of Jano they went 12-4
March 5th, 2010 at 12:12 am
HE’S STILL SAYING ALSTOTT!!!!
ARE YOU GUYS READING THIS?
SOMEBODY TELL THIS POOR GUY THAT ALSTOTT DID NOT PLAY IN 2007!
HE NEEDS HELP. SEYMOUR JUST CAN’T CUT IT IN HERE ON HIS OWN. ONE OF YOU HAS TO HELP HIM. FOR HIS OWN SAKE.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:12 am
Fellas, I have stood here for four days and repeated the same thing over and over. He has NEVER ONCE, answered a question. You call that a cun*.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Alameda, when you look at everything that’s happened since Gruden left, it is obvious that Gruden and Allen won in spite of Al. I give Al little if any credit. I give Al credit for hiring them, but that’s it. Al has no clue what he’s doing, and hasn’t for some time. Possibly ever. Because I firmly believe Ron Wolf built the great teams back in the day. Al Davis is a fraud.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:13 am
Antonio Bryant the next potential Raider free agent signing who will STEAL money from Al Davis!
March 5th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Seymour, come on, give us more of Alstott’s highlights from ‘07. Tell us about some of the short yardage plays you saw him make. This is great!
March 5th, 2010 at 12:14 am
HeyDknight, you are a fukwad. The question still remains, what have YOU EVER DONE? You also never answered a very simple question.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:15 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:14 am
Seymour, come on, give us more of Alstott’s highlights from ‘07. Tell us about some of the short yardage plays you saw him make. This is great!
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Real MaddenRaider for the 50th time, you haven’t answered a simple question. What’s wrong? You a cn*?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Answer the question RealMaddenRaider.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Seymour, what have you ever done? You’re in here talking about how great of a year Alstott had in ‘07. Of course, a quick google search would teach you that he actually didn’t play one down that year. But you don’t do well with facts.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:16 am
Have you answered it, or are you running away again. I answered everything you asked.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:17 am
MR answer his question, what great player did Gruden draft? he drafted a lot of players but not one of note. He had 8 QB’s down there and not one worth a damn and Raheem takes over and drafts a gem in one year.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:18 am
MaddenRaider you have not answered the question. You keep bringing up Alstott. I told you. You keep dodging. I am going to give you one more time to answer the question.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Seymour, since I never claimed that Gruden drafted any great players, I’m not obligated to answer any questions about it. All I claimed was that Gruden put a couple of good teams together after he left Oakland, while Al Davis hasn’t done jack since Gruden’s team fell apart.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Answer the question.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:19 am
priest, I never said that Gruden drafted great players. So why am I obligated to answer that question? Priest, do you realize that Seymour told me Alstott was one of Dungy’s players that carried Gruden in ‘07? Do you at least realize that Alstott didn’t play one down in ‘07?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:20 am
Already answered it, Seymour.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:20 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:18 am
Seymour, since I never claimed that Gruden drafted any great players, I’m not obligated to answer any questions about it.
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That was the question. You still can’t answer it. You dance like you’re in Studio 54. Are you in Studio 54 Real maddenraider?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:20 am
Seymour, just for a laugh, give us a rundown of Dungy’s players that helped Gruden win in ‘07. This is going to be funny, guys.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:21 am
No you didn’t. Are you in Studio 54 realmaddenraider? Do you like to dance?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:21 am
Am I in studio 54? No, I’m on a Raider blog. Studio 54 was for gays who were actually out of the closet.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:22 am
Not much difference between studio 54 and the black hole.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:22 am
Hey MaddenRaider this was from a week ago:L
Seymour Bush Says:
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Real MaddenRaider please name all the great players Gruden and Allen drafted during their 8 years in Tampon Bay, when they had full control of the roster.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Seymour, what were Alstott’s stats in ‘07? If you answer that, I promise you I’ll answer your question about Gruden’s drafting.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:23 am
You still haven’t answered the question. You are not much of a stand up guy are you RealmaddenRaider? In fact, you are probably still in the closet. Aren’t you?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Seymour, tell me what Alstott’s stats were in ‘07, and I’ll answer your question about Gruden. That’s the deal, and it’s not changing.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:24 am
You’re not much of a stand up guy, either. You answer my question about Alstott. What were his stats in ‘07? Soon as you do that, I’ll answer the Gruden drafting question.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Seymour Bush Says:
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Real MaddenRaider please name all the great players Gruden and Allen drafted during their 8 years in Tampon Bay, when they had full control of the roster.
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you still haven’t answered. Why can’t you answer a very simple question?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:24 am
Seymour Bush Says:
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Real MaddenRaider please name all the great players Gruden and Allen drafted during their 8 years in Tampon Bay, when they had full control of the roster.
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You still haven’t answered. The answer isn’t in the closet.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:25 am
I would not say AL is a fraud.He turned the Raiders around when he took over as coach in 1963.He did with help from Ron Wolf and others build the Raiders into a multiple Super Bowl winning team.He just does not realize that everyone is now on the same level.There are no hidden players in the Black Colleges that AL found talent at.There are no more secrets.There was a time when everyone in the NFL wanted to play for the Raiders but that is over and that is where I believe AL does”nt get it.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:25 am
Anybody want to know just how dumb MR is read post #123 now everyone ein the NFL practically acknowedges MR Davis contributions to the game. He is in the HOF has biult 5 teams from scrath to the pennacle of this great league turned a lost franchise into an instant winner and this idiot says he’s never known what he’s doing.
Stupid is as stupid does. MR I would say you’ve lost it but the fact is you never had it………….period.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Why can’t you answer a simple question? Give me Alstott’s 07 stats. You said he helped Gruden win in ‘07. So give us his numbers. The answer isn’t in the closet. Do you just like to dance?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Bottom line fellas, RealMaddenRaider isn’t real, isn’t Madden and certainly isn’t a Raider. Phony Shanahan Charger is most likely a trolling gay bronco.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:26 am
Thank you Phony Joke Fool. You have proven everything I need to know about you.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:27 am
No owner has ever sucked for as long as Al Davis has in the past 7 years. The past 7 years has ruined his legacy. He’s the laughing stock of the league. Again, no owner has sucked for as long as he has since ‘03. It’s a dubious achievement, and it’s his. It’s also as much a part of his identity as the winning that Ron Wolf and Jon Gruden brought him.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:28 am
I will tell you what Alstott did in 2007.
He retired before the season.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:28 am
Bottom line, fellas. Seymour Bush isn’t real, isn’t Richard Seymour, and certainly isn’t a Raider. Phony Shanahan Charger is most likely a trolling gay bronco.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:29 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 1:10 am
Seymour Bush, what is with the gay references? Do you think I find it an insult to be called gay? Do you have a problem with gay people?
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yeah, I have a problem with gays that aren’t stand up individuals and are phony pieces of sh**. just Like you
March 5th, 2010 at 12:29 am
Alameda Lee, don’t tell Seymour Bush that. He insists Alstott helped Gruden win in ‘07, while trying to make the argument that Gruden never won without Dungy’s players. Tell it to him. I already tried to. He’s not listening. He still thinks Alstott played that year.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:30 am
Seymour Bush, I have a problem with gays that aren’t stand up individuals and are phony pieces of sh**. just like you.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Seymour, thank you phony joke fool. You’ve proven everything I need to know about you.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:31 am
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:28 am
Bottom line, fellas. Seymour Bush isn’t real, isn’t Richard Seymour, and certainly isn’t a Raider. Phony Shanahan Charger is most likely a trolling gay bronco.
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The “I know you are, but what am I” defense? This is REALLY SAD! I mean unbelievably ridiculously sad. What’s next Phony Shanahan Charger? The “I’m rubber and you’re glue” defense?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:31 am
The “I know you are, but what am I” defense? This is REALLY SAD! I mean unbelievably ridiculously sad. What’s next Phony Shanahan Charger? The “I’m rubber and you’re glue” defense?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:32 am
Huh??? Huh????
March 5th, 2010 at 12:32 am
You know, there have been some All Time idiotic postings on this site. But Phony Shanahan Charger Just took the cake! Are you going to copy that verbatim as well Phony Shanahan Charger?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:33 am
You know, there have been some All Time idiotic postings on this site. But Phony Shanahan Charger Just took the cake! Are you going to copy that verbatim as well Phony Shanahan Charger?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:33 am
I’m rubber and you’re glue Phony Shanahan Raider! But it doesn’t mean what you think rubbers mean.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:34 am
I don’t have time for stupid idiots like this moron. sorry.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:34 am
I’m rubber and you’re glue Phony Shanahan Raider! But it doesn’t mean what you think rubbers mean.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:35 am
I don’t have time for stupid idiots like this moron. sorry.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Alameda, nobody wins all the time I just don’t think you guy’s give the other teams the credit they deserve. This is a tough league and if you don’t have everything in order you will get the crap kicked out of you. Our Oline is mediocre at best we have young underdeveloped WR’s until they develope we will struggle.
The most important position on the field QB is unsettled because our young prodige has yet to develope. That is killing us there isn’t very much Mr Davis can do about that until they develope or get someone else and that will take time.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Another epic RealMaddenRaider meltdown!
March 5th, 2010 at 12:36 am
I guess we stopped talking football and specifically Raiders.Later.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:36 am
Another epic Seymour Bush meltdown!
March 5th, 2010 at 12:37 am
Priest, the truth is, nobody has ever lost 10 or more games 7 years straight, except for Al Davis. And this dubious feat is ongoing, btw. It’s not in the past, like your glory days.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:37 am
Not really melting down. Just amazed your response is to post every single thing I posted. That’s your response? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You lose!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 12:38 am
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March 5th, 2010 at 12:38 am
Not really melting down. Just amazed your response is to post every single thing I posted. That’s your response? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! You lose!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 12:39 am
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March 5th, 2010 at 12:39 am
Phony Shanahan Bronco the frosty snowman
had a very shiny nose
And if you ever saw him posting
You would really call him gay
And All the other posters…
March 5th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Phony Shanahan Bronco the frosty snowman
had a very shiny nose
And if you ever saw him posting
You would really call him gay
And All the other posters…
March 5th, 2010 at 12:41 am
MR, post #123 says he never knew what he was doing that’s like saying it never happened. Only the last 8 years. Not the previous 42 years.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:43 am
priest, the past 7 years, or is it 8? Thank you. Anyway, the past 8 years in my view demonstrates that Al Davis never really did know what he was doing. He always had help when he won. Ron Wolf back in the day, Gruden more recently.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:44 am
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March 5th, 2010 at 12:44 am
8 years…wow. And, let’s face it, the Raiders will almost certainly lose 10 games again, barring some kind of miracle. We’re closing in the decade mark of the Raiders not being able to cross the 5 win mark in a season. yikes. How can you be that bad? Worst owner in all of sports, by a long shot.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:45 am
MR you’re a damn fool, you kno nothing about Al Dvais or this league you are a simpleton. I don’t have time to sufferr a fool…………later
March 5th, 2010 at 12:45 am
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March 5th, 2010 at 12:45 am
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March 5th, 2010 at 12:47 am
Would Antonio Bryant make us any better?
March 5th, 2010 at 12:47 am
priest, speaking of people who know nothing about this league, somebody in here said that Alstott had a good year in ‘07 and carried the Bucs. Alstott actually didn’t play. Sure as hell wasn’t me.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:59 am
GRIM Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 12:47 am
Would Antonio Bryant make us any better?
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Hell yeah! He’ll be our No. 1 the day he signs.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:08 am
Does any one know if hes an X or a Y? Who would he be starting with,Schillens or Murphy?
March 5th, 2010 at 1:13 am
Do you mean chromosome? I do believe he is a Y.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:18 am
I don’t think it matters. He’s a veteran who should be able to play in any spot they assign him.
All that BS Cable was spouting off about, was just to justify keeping DHB in the lineup, when clearing he didn’t desrve it.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:22 am
The other coaches said the positions were interchangeable. Only Cable kept up the company line and said they couldn’t switch roles, so DHB had to play.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:24 am
Ufk Lawton. That scrub couldn’t amke ANYONES practice squad until Oakland was forced to sign SOMEBODY. lawton sucks and we need a REAL blocking FB!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 1:25 am
Schillens, Bryant, and Murphy, sounds like a pretty decent group of receivers…..if we can get Bryant.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:27 am
Thec07 Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Troy Smith to be th eopening day starter for Hue Jack
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They do that and I GUARANTEE play offs no lie…
March 5th, 2010 at 1:39 am
GRIM Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 1:25 am
Schillens, Bryant, and Murphy, sounds like a pretty decent group of receivers…..if we can get Bryant.
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There’s no way Al will sign a free agent WR and put him ahead of DHB.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:45 am
Why not? If DHB cant learn how to hang on to the ball you have to have another reliable option.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:51 am
I agree. But it’s not up to us.
On paper, having Bryant on board would give them three potent options. Unfortunately Mr Davis runs the show, and he prefers the speed of DHB to a reliable set of hands.
DHB was lousy last year, but he still kept getting playing time. They had a solid veteran in Javon Walker who barely got on the field. That tells me, DHB will get first shot at the WR spot, and Davis won’t bring someone else in to challenge him.
March 5th, 2010 at 1:53 am
I beleive Anquan Boldin is also available. But I don’t think they go after him either.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:07 am
Ya, Boldin would cost too much anyway. Id still be happy with Bryant though.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:39 am
Thomas Howard is complaining about his tender. WTF??? The guy has regressed the last two years! He should be happy he’s making 1.7 mil.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:44 am
Sign Troy Smith for the 5th round tender!
Sign Charles Grant
Check out Philip Buchanon, Fred Smoot and Lito Sheppard.
March 5th, 2010 at 2:45 am
And check out Laveranues Coles
March 5th, 2010 at 5:47 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
…and Free Agency is here…
How much longer til Draft day…although I won’t hold my breath!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 5:53 am
NT’s Jamal Williams & Maake Kemoeatu released?
go get’em grandpa al !!!
March 5th, 2010 at 5:55 am
lawton sucks and we need a REAL blocking FB!!!!
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Agreed N21. plus he’s suspended!
that means we start the season with Marcel Reece at FB.
*puke*
March 5th, 2010 at 6:05 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,ROCKSTAR,ANYONE GOT JON RITCHI’S PHONE # ?
March 5th, 2010 at 6:06 am
good morning AM crew!
so we have Russell making $9.5 million this season and Bruce & Charlie are making a combined $3 million
any other team in the league paying their 3rd string QB over 3 times as much as their 1st & 2nd string QB’s put together ???
March 5th, 2010 at 6:06 am
Good morning all.
March 5th, 2010 at 6:08 am
Bears are attacking FA hard without any picks in the 1st or 2nd round.
Peppers, Taylor and that blocking TE from SD
March 5th, 2010 at 6:17 am
John Ritchie? Wow…that’s a name from the NOT so distant past!!! LOL
Rockstar, there are no other team in professional sports like the Raiders!!! and for Chicago…WOW…They want to make sure that Cutler will take them all the way!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:17 am
You’d think after 7 years of dross so would the Raiders.
March 5th, 2010 at 6:19 am
Top of the morning folks …
So are we still talking QB?
Grads starts the season, Russell finishes it.
Raiders make the playoffs!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:19 am
Jon Ritchie or Steve Smith ?
March 5th, 2010 at 6:19 am
I like the idea of Antonio Bryant coming on board!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:22 am
Question …
If DTs are so important to the defense, aren’t guys who can block them one on one and be effective doing so just as important?
Iupati at 8!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:25 am
An O lineman with the first pick ? Good job that Vegas isn’t here!!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:25 am
Has Morrison been wooooed by the Giants or the Titans yet? Maybe Arizona will have him in to replace Dansby?
I wonder how Ricky Brown will hold up as our new MLB next year?
March 5th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Jhill: OL is just as important as DL, if not more so!
Iupati at #8?
Fine, but only if you can get me NT’s Jamal Williams & Maake Kemoeatu in free agency …
Kelly & Bryant for UT’s
Williams & Kemoeatu for NT’s
Top 10 overall defense
Warren & Joseph? buh bye
Seymour stays at DE, unless it’s 3rd & long (obvious passing downs)
then the lineup looks like this:
Ellis
Kelly
Seymour
Shaughnessy
WLB Scott coming off the edge
SACK!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:30 am
If Al made my trade it would be:
Ellis
Suh
Seymour
Shaughnessy
March 5th, 2010 at 6:31 am
Vegas knows we’re going Oline. He’s a smart guy.
With the LB position settled, Routt starting at CB next year, and Bryant coming in, what’s left?
I don’t think we are going to add another big contract to the Dline. Kelly and Seymour pretty muchtake up the Dline budget.
Time to spend a couple of dollars on the Oline!
Cable’s boy Iupati seems like the ticket. Especially since Henderson appears to be locked in at LT. I’ll take a guy like Ciron Black in rd 2 or 3 to play RT.
March 5th, 2010 at 6:31 am
Love it Rockstar!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:32 am
Afternoon to ya Neil…
Suh? Not sure if Al trades down to #1…but then again…this is Al we are talking about!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:33 am
I wonder how Ricky Brown will hold up as our new MLB next year?
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1. if Capt Kirk signs a contract with another team, the Raiders have the option to match
2. Ricky Brown is a good player, but he’s finished the past 2 seasons on IR (not durable)
3. KM is a durable tackling machine. well respected by his teammates and the community, but nobody knows who will show interest in him yet. FA just started a few hours ago and Dansby is obviously the hottest MLB on every team’s wish list
March 5th, 2010 at 6:34 am
You just have to wonder why SD let a guy like Williams go. Especially since they play the 3-4 and NEED a nose.
I think 4-3 “NT” and 3-4 NT are 2 totally different positions. I’d prefer a guy like Lamar Houston in Rd 2 over Williams. Williams has 12 years in too, so I dunno.
March 5th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Good morning Hwnrdr.Just wishful thinking that’s all.Been saying that we should trade our first pick and Nnamdi for the Rams first.Never happen…..
March 5th, 2010 at 6:38 am
I just don’t know how you don’t agree with 99% of everyone else as see that Morrison is NOT a guy the Raiders are high on.
Let’s take this from another angle. What do you think Morrison is going to do? You think his agent tries to get him an offer from another team? Or do you think he’ll sign the 1 year deal?
March 5th, 2010 at 6:39 am
I don’t think we are going to add another big contract to the Dline. Kelly and Seymour pretty muchtake up the Dline budget.
Time to spend a couple of dollars on the Oline!
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so you think we’re cutting Warren just to have Seymour start next to Kelly at DT? how awful. wouldn’t surpise me one bit. sounds like the Al Davis way of thinking …
I’m still waiting for us to cut Carlisle, Pears & (Javon) Walker.
Even still: with Cornbread, Khalif & Langston all free agents I can see us taking a tackle at #8. most likely Bruce Campbell
March 5th, 2010 at 6:41 am
so you think we’re cutting Warren just to have Seymour start next to Kelly at DT? how awful. wouldn’t surpise me one bit. sounds like the Al Davis way of thinking …
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LOL!
Here we go.
When did I say that?
March 5th, 2010 at 6:42 am
I can see us taking a tackle at #8. most likely Bruce Campbell
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Really?
Why Campbell?
Why not Davis, Bulaga, or Williams?
March 5th, 2010 at 6:44 am
Jhill…
I’d be surprised if Kirk stays with the Raiders.Just a third rd pick ? Someone will take that and move him back to the outside.
March 5th, 2010 at 6:46 am
What do you think Morrison is going to do? You think his agent tries to get him an offer from another team? Or do you think he’ll sign the 1 year deal?
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Kirk Morrison is a Raider. he bleeds silver & black.
I still think he would do what any of us would do. it’s a business and he has to do what is in his best interest. I think his agent will find some teams looking for a MLB and gauge their interest in him. then they’ll have to talk contract.
If he signs the tender right away he’s only locked in for 1 year at $2.5 million. most players want security in the form of a long-term deal. If a team offered Kirk say a 4 year deal worth $20 million I think he’d take it. He’d be foolish not to!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:49 am
When did I say that?
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please clarify then.
if Warren is gone and Seymour stays at DE why on earth wouldn’t we be looking for a DT ???
Desmond Bryant or William Joseph? LOL!
March 5th, 2010 at 6:51 am
Why Campbell?
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typical Al Davis pick.
height/weight/speed. looks good coming off the bus
athletic dude who has potential, but never displayed it in actual games
Bruce Campbell is the pick if we take a tackle in the 1st. write that down
March 5th, 2010 at 6:54 am
I just don’t know how you don’t agree with 99% of everyone else
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it’s called thinking for yourself Jhill.
I have my own opinion.
right or wrong, it’s mine.
Who was the only Huff supporter on this blog last year?
you guessed it!
Bobby called JaWalrus a bust from Day 1 and we all mocked him. now who looks silly? we do!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:07 am
Chris in NY Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
Final word on Bruce Almighty.
All I can say is this:
They laughed at Jesus too, man. They laughed at Jesus, too.
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LOL!!! I love it!
I got your back Chris. I became a beliver after he walked on water in Pittsburgh
March 5th, 2010 at 7:08 am
LOL Rockstar,
You were the only Huff supporter? Yeah, ok man.
As for DT, what part of Lamar Houston in Rd 2 don’t you understand?
Campbell = typical AD pick? Give me ONE example of him using a first round pick on an OLINE guy because of HWS?
You go with the masses on the HWS thing, but not the masses on Morrison?
March 5th, 2010 at 7:09 am
I became a beliver after he walked on water in Pittsburgh
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That analogy alone tells me you KNOW Bruce got lucky in that 4th qtr, lol. I’d have to agree that I never saw such a thing.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:09 am
Trade Dmac for the masses!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:10 am
I’m resigned to the fact that we will take Campbell at #8.
Knowing this, I just hope and pray we take T Williams, or even Bualaga or Iupati.
Myself, I would take McClain, Spikes, Dan Williams or even Brian Price.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:13 am
Al Davis & Tom Cable are Morons!
Look at our tender list. WTF?!?!?!?!
Eugene!!!
Morris!!!!
R Brown!!!!!
Lawton!!!????!!!!???!!!
Routt!!!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:13 am
We are NOT taking Bruce Campbell at 8 to play LT. It’s not going to happen. Mario Henderson is our LT.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:15 am
What’s the old saying, “You make your own luck”?
Good things happen to those who try hard.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison’s season has been washed in invisible ink, leaving him unnoticed and under-hugged.
“I remember when he was just a rookie and he was wild-eyed out there, running around, didn’t really know what was going on out there,” Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson said. “Now he’s starting to understand the game and each year, he’s getting better and better.”
Morrison’s biggest problem is he drew a bad four years to play for the Raiders. There’s only so much Pro Bowl recognition to go around in the dregs of the league standings.
“You always feel underrated,” Morrison said. “I think it always comes down to wins and losses. Definitely, when you don’t win football games in this league, people don’t look at this kind of stuff.
“People say they don’t know about my tackles. I go out and make tackles. I’m out there every single play. That’s one of my goals, to lead the NFL in tackles.”
“It’s fun to watch Kirk because he has grown and he has just gotten better and better,” said Chargers coach Norv Turner, who coached the Raiders when they drafted Morrison. “He has such a good understanding of the defense.”
“He’s been a hell of a football player since we drafted him,” defensive coordinator Rob Ryan said. “He’s intense, he’s a strong tackler this year. I like the way he hits. He’s doing a hell of a job.”
If no one else thinks so, Morrison is fine with it. He’ll always have his fans within the league, from Tomlinson to Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis.
“When I look around the NFL, people will tell me, ‘Hey, you’re a hell of a football player, you should go to the Pro Bowl, I don’t know how you’re not,’ ” Morrison said. “That means a lot to me. When you have your peers telling you things like that, that’s always a good feeling.”
-David White (12/11/08)
March 5th, 2010 at 7:16 am
We are NOT going to add the salary of the #8 pick to the Dline on top of Seymour and Kelly’s contract.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Vegas,
PUH-LEEZE !!!!!
The outcome of throwing the ball up for grabs in a crowd of players has NOTHING to do with how hard you work.
LMFAO!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Of course the Chargers loved Morrison!
Especially LT in 08, lol!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:21 am
Have we signed Antonio Bryant yet?
March 5th, 2010 at 7:21 am
You go with the masses on the HWS thing, but not the masses on Morrison?
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what part of “I have my own opinion” dont you understand?
and you don’t think Al Davis drafts potential (or HWS) over production?
how quickly you’ve forgotten last April’s draft…
March 5th, 2010 at 7:21 am
GarbageKowski sucks, and the only thing that’s keeping me from losing it on You People is that he will be a backup Only. He can compete, but his noodle arm and his mom cooking dinner will only take him so far.
You People are …crazy!!
Bruce is a joke, and you people are dreaming.
But D B has a noodle arm!!
But his mom cooked dinner!
He walks on water!!
He won 2 games!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:23 am
We are NOT going to add the salary of the #8 pick to the Dline on top of Seymour and Kelly’s contract.
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Jhill: what are we going to do about the other DT spot then? quit avoiding the question
March 5th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Bruce is A JOKE!! You People don’t know what WTF you are talking about!!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:26 am
Of course the Chargers loved Morrison!
Especially LT in 08, lol!
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Jhill: I think I trust Ray Lewis’ opinion or even his former coaches over yours. sorry bud
did you ever show Vegas the “film” of Gerard Warren being unblockable???
I’m guessing not
March 5th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Gonna have to leave early today.
Have a great Friday and weekend everyone.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Raider O: the sooner YOU PEOPLE realize that Danny Southwick is the future of this team you’ll start calling him “the Danchise” too
you are forgiven my brother. now go in peace
March 5th, 2010 at 7:28 am
He works hard….
His mom cooked for the team…
He is just like Gannon and Drew….
We know he has a noodle arm, but a strong arm is overrated for a QB…
STFU!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:28 am
TGIF!…(actually I dont believe in God, but I guess its just a saying anyway)
March 5th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Wintern.
Your check is in the mail RRS. Good pub.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:30 am
Have we signed Mawae and Williams yet?
March 5th, 2010 at 7:30 am
and you don’t think Al Davis drafts potential (or HWS) over production?
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As a RULE, no I don’t think Al drafts that way. He USUALLY takes the best player available at a position of need.
The DHB argument hinges on what “position” you think he was drafted to play. Chaz had the “possesion” rec position locked up, and JLH had the slot thing pegged. Once you accept those 2 facts, you see that Crabtree and Maclin were not options.
Which is why we should have drafed Rey Maulauga, lol!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:30 am
Bob, how does your weekend differ from your week, vis a vis work?
March 5th, 2010 at 7:31 am
RR,
Southwick is a great player!
He has superior talent!
Not the same for Noodle Arm GarbageKowski!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:31 am
We are NOT taking Bruce Campbell at 8 to play LT. It’s not going to happen. Mario Henderson is our LT.
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you’re calling people out for saying that Al Davis could draft a tackle in the Top 10 and you’re lobbying for a guard?
your boy “super” mario gave up 11 sacks last year.
plus Carlisle & Morris are still under contract too, ya know?
tackles Green, Barnes & Walker are not …
March 5th, 2010 at 7:33 am
Jhill: I think I trust Ray Lewis’ opinion or even his former coaches over yours. sorry bud
did you ever show Vegas the “film” of Gerard Warren being unblockable???
I’m guessing not
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I didn’t see the Ray Lewis quote. And I’m not the one who is doesn’t want Morrison, the TEAM doesn’t. Let’s not get that confused. I’m sure you trust Rey Lewis over his CURRENT coaches. WTF does Marshall know?
Oh, and YOUR boy Jerry called him unblockable. YOUR boy RRS. Ask Jerry for the film.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Grads is a good quarterback, but if we don’t pick an offensive tackle in the first round, he may get killed. Until Al Davis realizes that offensive tackle is the most important postion on the football field, we will continue to suck.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:37 am
you’re calling people out for saying that Al Davis could draft a tackle in the Top 10 and you’re lobbying for a guard?
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Are you bored dude?
What type of arguments are you really trying to make today?
I HARDLY see the comparison of me HOPING they take the best player at a position of need vs. the cynical position that we will draft a guy because he looked good coming off the bus.
I would think a valid comparison would be you wanting Williams vs me wanting Iupati.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:37 am
Jhill: the Raiders don’t want Morrison?
then why tender him and risk paying out $2.5 million for 1 year of his services?
find me a quote from his current coaches that says they don’t want him, like him or think he’s a fine player. I’ll wait
March 5th, 2010 at 7:39 am
Jhill: what are we going to do about the other DT spot then? quit avoiding the question
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How many times do I have to post this …
As for DT, what part of Lamar Houston in Rd 2 don’t you understand?
Pay attention!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:40 am
your boy “super” mario gave up 11 sacks last year.
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My boy?
LOL!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Jhill: how many guards have been drafted in the Top 10 over the past 10 years that were intended to play guard in the NFL?
our LT allowed 11 sacks last year and we have nobody at RT.
It’s called being a realist. I hope the Raiders draft Suh, but thats not logical thinking either, is it?
March 5th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Ok RRS,
You’re right. Morrison will be back with the Raiders next year starting at MLB, and Bruce Campbell will be in Silver in Black.
Got it!
March 5th, 2010 at 7:42 am
As for DT, what part of Lamar Houston in Rd 2 don’t you understand?
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I’d be fine with that pick. you’re certain he’ll be there? what if he’s not? what if he flops?
March 5th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Ok RRS,
You’re right.
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I never get tired of hearing that
LOL. j/k
March 5th, 2010 at 7:44 am
What up Nation???
March 5th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Jhill,
Even if the last drive in Pitt didn’t happen, it still would have been the best game a QB played all year. We would have pined that loss on our D, who couldn’t get off the field in the 4th quarter.
The DB dropped that pick, but that happens all the time. Down, on the road, less than 2 minutes, you have to try to force balls.
The Murphy sideline wobbler, I really think Bruce was trying to throw it away, but didn’t get enough on it, so it conveniently hugged the sideline.
As the baseball saying goes, “looks like a line-drive in the box-score”
March 5th, 2010 at 7:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:40 am
Jhill: how many guards have been drafted in the Top 10 over the past 10 years that were intended to play guard in the NFL?
our LT allowed 11 sacks last year and we have nobody at RT.
It’s called being a realist. I hope the Raiders draft Suh, but thats not logical thinking either, is it?
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You’re all over the place.
If you want to talk about what’s logical, the let’s toss out ALL the opinions. You know, like Al Davis will draft an offensive lineman because he ran a 40 time .03 seconds faster than the higher rated prospect. Trent Williams ran a blazing 40 time too, why won’t we draft him?
Do I believe the Raiders will draft Iupati? I think they take him before they take a guy like Bruce Campbell.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:48 am
Well Bo,..they dont really differ at all,…I have a feeling you knew that, and like to make fun of me for being poor, jobless, and laugh at the fact I have to do this at the library…shame on you Bo.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:50 am
What’s up fellas. . . . .
Jhill: I’m joining the Gradkowski conversation way late, but, this is all I can say about the guy:
The way he plays ain’t pretty. Gannon didn’t play pretty. In fact, he looked downright horrible at times. . . .and so did Plunkett. But the bottom line is taht somehow, someway, they usually got the job done. And I’m not even naive enough to say Grad is Gannon or Plunkett at this point.
But here’s the thing he has in common with those guys: the 10 dudes around him seem to really believe that they will win ball games with him on the field. That’s no fact to just brush aside. That’s huge.
I really don’t care about the pass that he threw right into the DB’s arms at the end of the Pittsburg game. That fact is that the dude showed some serious stones in the short time he got to play this year. And frankly, I loved the way he played. Got his ass handed to him a few times, got up, scrambled, twisted, turned, did whatever the hell it took to make a play.
That’s nothing to merely dismiss man!
I want a good ol’ fashioned QB battle in camp. And I don’t give a rat’s ass who wins it. I want the guy that earns it to be on the field opening day.
Sure, part of me wants JaMarcus to be that man because I’d love nothing more than for him to grow up, “get it” and to have a franchise QB for the next 7-8 years.
But I love “ballers” like Gradkowski as well. Hell, there’s really no point in criticizing him at this point because he hasn’t had the opportunity to know he’s the “man” from day 1 on this team.
Let’s wait and see. . . . . .
And guess what – this could all be a mute point.
For all I know, Mark Malone is gonna retire from the broadcast booth and be our “star” QB this year LOL
March 5th, 2010 at 7:50 am
RD 1 T – Best Available, a guy you could plug in now.
RD 2 C Give up a 3 trade up and Get Pouncey
or Mt. cody if he is still on the board.
RD 3 G/MLB- Best Available
RD 4 DT – Best available or QB Lefevour “ran a good 40″
RD 5 Trade pick to Ravens an get Troy Smith if Lefevour is gone.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:51 am
you’re certain he’ll be there? what if he’s not? what if he flops?
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No I’m not sure he’ll be there, and if he flops we’ll see more Seymour and Bryant at DT. The same as if we draft Williams and he struggles.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Raider O has some personal issue with Gradkowski clearly,..it cant be on the field play as he easily ouplayed Frye, and as far as Russell, not even close enough to put together in same conversation…Raider O has a little MR in him, if you follow my drift.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Down, on the road, less than 2 minutes, you have to try to force balls.
The Murphy sideline wobbler, I really think Bruce was trying to throw it away, but didn’t get enough on it, so it conveniently hugged the sideline
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You don’t have to justify you relating the performance to walking on water. I agree, it was a miracle.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:53 am
JRUSS probable didnt care for football after losing his uncle. I am not sure how much of that impacted him.
We you lose someone, you cane become frozen, time will stand still, and you cant focus on the rest of your life. Hopefully he has healed and is ready to go back to work.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:54 am
And Jhill: (good morning by the way man!)
I wish I had game tapes of my man Jimmy Plunkett from back in the day. That man played some of the ugliest ball I’ve ever seen at times.
He’s throw pick after pick (go watch some of those games vs. the Seahawks) and yet, like I said, the man was ultimately a winner.
So let’s not dwell so much on the “bad” passes vs. the Steelers at the end of the game.
The Raiders, in their history, have really never had a guy that did things “pretty” all the time (a.k.a. Marino)
March 5th, 2010 at 7:55 am
God’s hands placed the ball in Murphys’ hands
(LOL J/K)
March 5th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Best Raider QB ever Was Kenny “The Snake” Stabler….
March 5th, 2010 at 7:57 am
I personally think JaMarcus is working hard this offseason and I think he’s gonna come into camp truly ready to compete.
That doesn’t mean he’ll win the job by any means. It would be quite cool if he did, the honest way.
He may ultimately prove not to be good enough.
But I can accept that, and I think most Raider fans would accept that and move on. He just needs to get that bitter taste from last year out of his mouth, along with everyone else’s.
He owes us that.
He owes himself that even more so.
March 5th, 2010 at 7:58 am
Ricky Bobby,
You are not poor!! You attend games, go to events, travel, and you own 2 pecg poodles?
How many poor people you know own poodles, pop pills, and walk on the beach other than homeless people?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Silver n smac,
You personally believe Russell is working hard this offseason. Care to explain how you came to that conclusion???
March 5th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Wassup Smac …
I know you are pretty much Raider first so I’ll seriously take your thoughts on how you think I don’t agree with the points of your post?
I just don’t think that those things will translate to 1) Gradkowski holding up to the rigors of a 16 game schedule, and 2) addressin his penchant to give the other teams opportunities to get the football.
He fumbles the ball at the same pace Russell does. DBs are not going to keep dropping those picks.
I just don’t see him as the long term answer which is why I’m suggesting John Skelton in rd 2 or 3. I think Gradkowski is the perfect backup QB for us.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Thec,
Does Russell get until the bye week again?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Norco Bob Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 7:48 am
Well Bo,..they dont really differ at all,…I have a feeling you knew that, and like to make fun of me for being poor, jobless, and laugh at the fact I have to do this at the library…shame on you Bo.
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Yes I do. What is family for.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:06 am
RaiderRon,
Just a hunch man. (hence the word “believe”) What – you want me to provide you with documentation?
I just think that every human being has a certain amount of self-pride, regardless of how “wealthy” you are.
That kid took about as much abuse from fans and media as I’ve seen in a long time (and much of it was deserved)
As I’ve said a ton of times, I think he’s got a good heart. And I also think he’s really immature. And I’ve also said that like any young person, he’s still got time in his life to be a “man” and take your responsibilities seriously.
Whether you believe it or not, I personally think that Vegas or no Vegas, he was humbled big-time last year.
And I do think he’ll make a sincere effort to at least be prepared to succeed.
We’ll see. Let’s hope he surrounds himself with better people.
But hey man, if calling him “JaBustas” makes you all warm and fuzzy inside, carry on. . .
March 5th, 2010 at 8:06 am
jhill Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:02 am
Thec,
Does Russell get until the bye week again?
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what up Bro? You have a great memory…. I will give JRUSS a pass. I will keep it open competition, and may
the best man win. If his uncle’s death had anything to do with his reggression and i think it did, JRUSS may not be a bust. Him not starting may make him even hungier, if he has not lost any of his competitive spirit. So yeah he gets a pass.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:08 am
So are the Lions still drafting at DT now that they traded for Williams and added VanDenBosch? I’m telling you, there is going to be a SERIOUS player drop to us at 8. Suh, McCoy, Okung, and Davis will not all be gone when we draft.
Rams – Bradford
Det –
TB -
March 5th, 2010 at 8:08 am
And I do think he’ll make a sincere effort to at least be prepared to succeed.
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Thats all I can ask for…..
March 5th, 2010 at 8:11 am
By the way I got a DM this morning Skip Bayless, about FA. I save all my DM`s I receive from famous folks. Hey now.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Jhill:
You could be absolutely correct about Grad.
But the bottom line is that we really haven’t seen enough of him yet to make any of those assumptions.
His entire short career thus far has been made up of playing on crappy football teams.
All the things you said about him could be true. But I’ll bet you a penny that those same things were being said about Plunkett & Gannon earlier in their careers.
The beauty of it all is that none of us really know.
I hope you’re wrong about him. If you’re right, then yeah, we need to look elsewhere.
And regardless, I think drafting a QB in the 3rd-7th rounds is something we should do anyways.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:11 am
Jhill, your right Bro….
I said that a coule of weeks ago that either one of these guys will fall to 8; Suh, Okung, and McCoy
I was willing to bet some coin on it.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Last pass in my mind Thec, and that’s the main reason I’ve not put the final nail in. But believe me when I tell you the hammer is cocked. If he doesn’t legitimately beat out a guy like Gradkowski, then we need to move on. And I don’t mean by a hair. If it’s close, then move the fugg on with Skelton. I may be falling into the big arm trap again, but I like this kid Skelton.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:13 am
So are the Lions still drafting at DT now that they traded for Williams and added VanDenBosch?
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Williams who?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:13 am
So where does Losman fit in the picture?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:15 am
O Mock Draft 8.0:
1- OT: T Williams, A Davis, or B Campbell
2- DT: L Houston
2- ILB: B Spikes (trade 3rd & 5th)
3- WR/ KR: Jacoby Ford
4- DE: Austen Lane
5- CB: Walter Thurmond, or OG
7- DT: Demarcus Granger, or FB
March 5th, 2010 at 8:15 am
So where does Losman fit in the picture?
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he doesn’t. the mormon stallion (Southwick) didn’t have a chance to mentor him because he joined the club so late in the season
March 5th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Jhill, you like Skelton, over Lefevour?
Skelton, does have a big arm, and can throw with touch…
March 5th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Losman will rise again.
GO GONDOS!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Ricky Bobby,
You are the man.
Hey now! Word!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Silver,
Jabustas??? Ummmm…ok.
You dont know the kid, you have no clue what hes like or if he has a good heart. Quit acting like you do. For all you know he could be a lazy, greedy, jerk who couldnt care less about anyone but himself. Fact is, the kid has never shown that he actually wants to be a pro and untill he does nothing will change. But like your butt buddy Jhill says, he IS in AZ working out like an Olympian! LOL!!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:18 am
here’s hoping Cable, Marshall & Waufle are making house calls to NT’s Jamal Williams & Maake Kemoeatu today !!!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:18 am
To be honest Smac, I really don’t care about the QB position. I think we have already takent huge strides by getting Cable some help in the form of an OC. If we upgrade the Oline talent, and can most importantly stay healthy, then I think the offense will be better with Bruce or Jamarcus. I really more focused on hoping we add some real Oline talent than who the QB will be.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:20 am
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4967021
Corey Williams
March 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am
Yes I do Thec …
Probably the big arm and his stature.
Again, I’ll admit that I HATED Gannon, so I just might not be able to process a guy like Grads, lol. I would have NEVER wanted a guy like Jeff Garcia playing QB for us. Don’t want a guy like Mike Vick either.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:23 am
http://www.venicehigh.net/
March 5th, 2010 at 8:25 am
I just might not be able to process a guy like Grads…
ROFLMAO…….
March 5th, 2010 at 8:26 am
I’m still saying the Lions take Berry.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:27 am
Jhill hated Rich Gannon….That explains ALOT. Who cares that he won games here? He didnt have a big Al Davis arm so screw em! All hail Jeff George!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:28 am
If I was AL, I would trade up for SUH.
Imagine SUH, Seymour, Ellis, Matt S, and T Scott as a pass rusher only. Front 4 that can dominate!!
The kid is a BEAST!! Look at his Arms.
Draft him Al.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:28 am
wow. I knew Detroit locked up KVB & Burleson.
Corey Williams for a 5th rounder? impressive
money talks in an uncapped year. Players aren’t afraid to go to a losing team as long as they are fairly compensated
thanks for the info Jhill
March 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am
GarbageKowski is not Gannon.
You CAN’T call every QB with a Noodle Arm the next Gannon or Drew.
You People….
March 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Yup,
Hated the whole dink and dunk thing and everyone involved for holding back Chucky. Slow ass WRs and all. Should have been Rice OR Brown, not both.
Just my opinion though. You did endorse independent thinking, right?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am
RaiderRon Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Silver,
Jabustas??? Ummmm…ok.
You dont know the kid, you have no clue what hes like or if he has a good heart. Quit acting like you do. For all you know he could be a lazy, greedy, jerk who couldnt care less about anyone but himself. Fact is, the kid has never shown that he actually wants to be a pro and untill he does nothing will change. But like your butt buddy Jhill says, he IS in AZ working out like an Olympian! LOL!!!!!
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RRon:
Do YOU know him, to say anything otherwise???
From the 2-3 lengthy interviews I’ve seen with him, and from what most media members have said about HIM (not his outfits), he seems to be a good kid at heart.
He’s also been told by all his cronies how great he is, and it’s obviously gone to his head.
That doesn’t mean he’s a bad dude or a kid that doesn’t care.
You don’t really know and neither do I.
Again. . . .what part of “I think” or “I believe” are you having a hard time comprehending?
I don’t recall saying my comments were fact.
So spare me with the “you don’t know, so quit acting like you do” nonsense.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am
I’m still saying the Lions take Berry.
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I’m still saying the Lions take Suh. he’ll start next to Corey Williams
I doubt they keep 37 year old Grady Jackson in the starting lineup when they can draft Suh or McCoy
March 5th, 2010 at 8:32 am
would be funny if Detriot finnally turns it around in an uncapped year.
Dansby says he will talk to every team. Sounds like greed talking….Sign him Mr. Davis…..
March 5th, 2010 at 8:33 am
You did endorse independent thinking, right?
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Jhill: does that mean you’re not going to “join the masses” against Russell?
haha. just kidding man
March 5th, 2010 at 8:33 am
Good Mornig Nation!!
Any news….did we sign Dansby yet?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Vegas,
I hope that the Lions take Earl Thomas.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:31 am
GarbageKowski is not Gannon.
You CAN’T call every QB with a Noodle Arm the next Gannon or Drew.
You People….
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RaiderO:
You are correct, but, I hate to remind you that for much of his career, Gannon was the “noodle” arm dude that nobody thought would be come the Gannon the Raiders got.
So none of us know who the next “noodle” armed-Gannon really will be. That might be Gradkowski 5 years from now or it may be a guy like Billy Volek (sp?)
March 5th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Dansby & Peppers will go to the highest bidder, even if thats Detroit & St Louis imo …
I’m hearing Dansby to Miami & Peppers to Chicago as of right now though. not sure who else is interested
March 5th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Trade our 1st & Huff for the Lions’ 1st, and Draft N Suh!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Its cool Jhill, now I understand you a bit better. Your one of those Raider fans who dont really care if they win or lose as long as their doing it the “Raider” way. Nothing wrong with that bro. Let me guess your favorite Raiders over the years…. Jeff George, James Jett, Will Gault, Marc Wilson, Sam Graddy.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Is Cherilous good enough protecting Stafford’s backside to make the Lions pass up Bruce Campbell?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:38 am
This is the year that Mr. Davis should be breaking out the vault.. Uncapped year means he can spean all he wants. Get the best FA’s on the NATION….
March 5th, 2010 at 8:38 am
Mr. Davis should run at both dansby and peppers.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Vote no on Bruce Campbell….
March 5th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Dansby said he would visit ALL teams….
March 5th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Pedigree has very little to do with how successful a QB will be.
There is a lot of timing, the system, health and knowing how to use surrounding talent that comes into play.
Throw in a little luck, strength of the division and other variables like that.
As I said last night, Bruce could be out of the league in 3 years, or he can make 3 Pro Bowls.
We all have opinions, but nobody has a crystal ball. If he emerges as a legit NFL starter for 4-5 years, it’s not like it is going to be some crazy fairy-tale like happening. He would be another late-round guy who found his niche with a team for a few years. There are hundreds of other examples over the years.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:39 am
S N S,
I agree with what you said, but what makes you think that Bruce is capable of being a good QB in the NFL?
How a QB plays in 3 games can’t be an indication of his entire career, correct?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Silver,
You say you “believe” or “think” the stuff your saying about Russell is true. There have to be some sort of reasoning behind a thought for it to be a belief, you have none so what you really have is “hope” and “wish”.
So next time simply state the following instead….”I HOPE Russell is working hard” or “I WISH that Russell would start working hard”. There you go friend, glad I could help.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:40 am
as long as their doing it the “Raider” way.
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Would you call drafting Iupati at 8 the Raider way?
How about Mack or Maulauga last year at 7 last year?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Sign Peppers, Kampman, or Dansby!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Man we missed last years draft at LB….
I like Rey, Clay, and Brian…
Real football players
Real hitters…..
March 5th, 2010 at 8:43 am
sounds good to me Raider O, sign all those guys to whatever they want at this point.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:43 am
RaiderRon Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Its cool Jhill, now I understand you a bit better. Your one of those Raider fans who dont really care if they win or lose as long as their doing it the “Raider” way. Nothing wrong with that bro. Let me guess your favorite Raiders over the years…. Jeff George, James Jett, Will Gault, Marc Wilson, Sam Graddy.
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RaiderRon:
It’s o.k. man, let me guess:
You’re one of those Raider fans who’s got the patience of a female preying mantus.
If you don’t get instant results, you’re ready to bite the head off “your team”.
I’m sure you think DHB is a bust after 11 games, huh?
Of course you do.
Just like you thought Cliff Branch was a bust until he actually became legit in his 3rd year in the league.
You probably thought Kenny Stabler was junk until he finally started in his 5th year in the league.
Yeah, guys like you love to watch BSPN and biotch and biotch if you don’t see instant results in a year or two.
Hate to tell you man. . . . .big money or no big money, these players are still human. And like all humans, some take longer to pan out.
Some pan out, some don’t.
Some of us have the patience and forsight to wait and see.
Some of us are like the female preying mantus.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Jhill wants to win, everyone has their favorites for whatever reason.
Don’t why people bring all these races innuendo’s, “you don’t know what talent is”, “do you watch the games” and all that nonsense.
I’m sure there are plenty of Laker fans who prefer Pau over LO, and vice versa. Just the way it is with sports fans, and what makes for the billion dollar industry of sports talk/media.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:45 am
Vegas,
Gradkowski is going to get his shot. He has everything lined up for him. The coaches have his back, the team has it too. So anything short of him winning the starting job and getting us out to a 3-1 schedule will be disappointing. Those were the same expectations I had for the team last year, and our schedule is ever softer this year.
Same thing for Russell or Frye for that matter! 3-1 or else!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:45 am
For clarification purposes:
The female preying mantus bites the head off the male as soon as intercourse is achieved.
The chick doesn’t even give the dude a chance to “Come” again.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Drafting a C at 8?
Drafting a G from freakn Idaho at 8?
Drafting a guy who didnt go till the second rd at 7?
LOL! Yeah, I would say thats the current “Raider” way.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:47 am
So what about us Laker fans who don’t like Pau, LO, OR Bynum?
Soft arss mutha fuggas!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Vegas,
lol Bruce!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Lamar Odom is Jamarcus Russell!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:48 am
I wouldnt take a C at 8, but I would move my second up to take the Pouncey Kid…. All Day…
March 5th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Not happy with a championship frontcourt??
Man tough crowd!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:39 am
S N S,
I agree with what you said, but what makes you think that Bruce is capable of being a good QB in the NFL?
How a QB plays in 3 games can’t be an indication of his entire career, correct?
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Come on RaiderO:
I keep saying NONE of us know. Hell, I don’t know. All I know is that we had a completely different TEAM in the 3 games he played.
Was that truly a product of the rest of the guys being so relieved that ANYONE other than Rossell was playing?
Maybe.
Maybe not.
Maybe they legitamately rallied around his balls-out style of play.
Remember, he’s a young player. People act like he’s some 10 year, washed-out vet.
He’s young and he’s got plenty of time to get better, just as does Russell.
Maybe he’ll do that, maybe he won’t.
You’re telling me you’re so much more confident in another rookie QB waltzing in here and taking us to the promised land?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:49 am
Alot of Raider draft picks have “panned out” lately havent they Silver? LOL! Does DHB look like a fish out of water? Yes. Is he a bust yet? No. Are his chances REALLY good beings hes playing for the worst franchise in the NFL? Oh hell yeah.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:50 am
You may not like Gradkowski but there aren’t many options in Free Agency and the QB draft class isn’t deep so your gonna have to live w Gradkowski hoping that Russell gives him competition and maybe a Troy Smith type who isn’t Montana by the way
March 5th, 2010 at 8:50 am
CNNSI mock’s had Pouncey going around 26th I think.
If we give up one of our 3rd, we should be able to trade up from our second for that.
I would take it. I am a value guy. He is the best C in the draft, you make it happen if you can.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:50 am
RaiderRon Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Silver,
You say you “believe” or “think” the stuff your saying about Russell is true. There have to be some sort of reasoning behind a thought for it to be a belief, you have none so what you really have is “hope” and “wish”.
So next time simply state the following instead….”I HOPE Russell is working hard” or “I WISH that Russell would start working hard”. There you go friend, glad I could help.
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Whatever dude,
Next time, I’ll be sure to script and proof-read my terminology much more thoroughly.
Didn’t realize how much stress it was causing you.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Pau, LO and Bynum are soft. All three of them blow and will never do or be sheet in the NBA. F in joke that they havent been shipped out of LA yet.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Bruce is 17 months older than Jamarcus, has started half as many games, and came out one year earlier.
I would say they are both at the exact same stage in their career. They both should improve over the next few years, given an acceptable level of hard-work (slight dig to Jamarcus; couldn’t resist)
March 5th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Its cool Silver, just remember……
believe= hope
think= wish
March 5th, 2010 at 8:53 am
I think Pau might make the HOF
You LA people, NEVER HAPPY!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:53 am
With those 3, we should not even be plauing our starters in the 4th qtr against the Heat. It’s a layup line against the Lakers, man. Unacceptable with 3 7 footers out there. Did you see PJ pull Pau in the Denver game late in the 4th qtr? About friggin time! How the heck do you let Arron Afflalo block your shot and out board you? Sit cho arss down, punk!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Hey..hey..hey, Vegas, I’m from Cali!
March 5th, 2010 at 8:56 am
Jhill:
3-1 would be terrific (without even knowing what the schedule is at this point).
But I first want to see us win our season opener for the first time in like 8 years.
Then I want us to finish no worse than 2-2 in the first quarter of the season.
Those are things we haven’t done in quite some time.
3-1 and I’ll be drooling all over myself.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:56 am
ESPN yappin bout that 1998 draft,..Manning…I remember that draft, thats when it all changed for us,..Gruden, and Charles Woodson,…I remember praying to Satan for the Cards to not take Woodson, to take that DE who I cant even remember anymore,…he never made a sack in the nfl or hardly any, injuries.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:56 am
I thought Pau was the second best player on the floor during the finals last year. And I absolutely despise the Lakers and was openly rooting against them with all my might.
JHill it’s March bro, these NBA cats are going at 60% for 90% of the game.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:57 am
S N S,
I’m not in favor of drafting a QB, and I still think JR can be salvaged with a good OC and a better OL.
As for Bruce, I like him there, and I do want him to compete with JR, but I don’t think he is a long term solution if JR turns to be a complete bust.
I don’t like the Fact that people are comparing him to Gannon and Drew, and ready to call him a PB QB.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:58 am
r8eray Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Hey..hey..hey, Vegas, I’m from Cali!
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Us Nor-Cal folks got the complex, I can admit it.
BEAT LA..BEAT LA.
I hope Kershaw’s arm falls off in spring training.
March 5th, 2010 at 8:59 am
RaiderRon Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Its cool Silver, just remember……
believe= hope
think= wish
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HUH?
March 5th, 2010 at 8:59 am
I agree Vegas, and it was about damn time. Pau has it in him, but he has to be pushed, and slapped around. Quite simply, he plays like a Euro. I wouldn’ trade him though, or the other two guys. Just wish they paid a bit more attention on the defensive end.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Shut up Raider O, nobody cares about your opinion or your STUPID mock drafts.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:01 am
I hope Kershaw’s arm falls off in spring training.
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I didn’t even realize baseball was upon us. Saw a highlight on sportscenter and was like whuuuutttt?
NL West is locked up man. Doyer Blue all day!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Oh for heavens sake Silver….
When you say ” I BELIEVE Russell is working hard” to make it not a moronic statement simply substitute the word “hope” or “wish”. Got it?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Gibril Wilson to be released. lol
March 5th, 2010 at 9:02 am
BEAT LA! BEAT LA!
Yes sir, that’s sure a chant in my house.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Take it easy Ron,..Raider O is a unique blogger here, the only man in here that wears a dress….cut him some slack.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:02 am
RaiderRon Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Shut up Raider O, nobody cares about your opinion or your STUPID mock drafts.
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Yeah O,
We’d much rather hear from Ron!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:03 am
moRon,
Go play with yourself Talking Monkey.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Thanks Jhill.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:04 am
RaiderO:
Hey, no QB on the Raiders roster right now should be compared to any great QB.
With that being said, there’s nothing wrong with pointing out some similarities in style of play.
You’re telling me that watching Gradkowski scramble around in circles, pitch an underhand behind-the-back pass to a running back doesn’t and make something out of nothing, does NOT remind you of the way Gannon or Garcia played?
Nobody (at least I’m not) is saying that Grad will achieve the same successes.
But the comparisons are there to be made.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Raider O,
Come on man lets see Raider O mock 9.0! Please!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:05 am
JR can be salvaged O?
Great! Let’s get the truck round his house right now and take him to the salvage dump.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:05 am
Ricky Bobby,
IT’S A KILT! Hey Now!
Word!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:06 am
does NOT remind you of the way Gannon or Garcia played?
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Without question, which is why I don’t want him as anything more than a backup.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:07 am
RaiderRon Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Thanks Jhill.
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LMAO
March 5th, 2010 at 9:08 am
LMAO England.
I can’t help it, they try at school, buy I’m a USED care salesman!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Vegas,
LMAO @ your LMAO
Vegas the genious’s inner monologue…” OMG that guy actually thinks Jhill was serious! Im gonna LMAO at him.”
March 5th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Raider O,
Thought I told you to take a trip to Shutty town?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:10 am
Why shouldn’t a guy like Bruce Campbell or Trent Williams be top draft picks with their blazing speed?
The guys LTs are asked to block are getting smaller and quicker. It might be time to start rethinking what it takes to block a guy like Brian Orakpo or Elvis Dummervil or Freeny for that matter.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:10 am
J russel is terrible should have never been drafted 3rd round or higher. he was not that good when he played for lsu Gradkowski is the man he has heart leadership and the team will play for him. and something jrus doesnt have accuracy and honestly is not bad at throwing it deep all u grad haters whats up grad was balling in college just was at small school.!!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Nothing like mocking someone by calling him a GENIUS, all the while completely butchering the spelling.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:11 am
no wonder we gave Bruce a 2nd rounder tender …
Jason Campbell & Kyle Orton got 1st round tenders.
Chad Pennington is going back to Miami. Redman has already resigned with Atlanta. Philly is keeping Vick. Backup QB’s Tarvaris Jackson, Brodie Croyle & Kellen Clemens got tendered. Matt Moore got a 1st & 3rd round tender.
who’s left?
Charlie Batch, Kyle Boller, David Carr, Daunte Culpepper, Rex Grossman, Joey Harrington, JP Losman, Jon Kitna, etc.
and the recently released Jake Delhomme!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:12 am
S N S,
It does remind me of how Garcia played at times, and that Bothers me. He has happy feet, and he runs too much. He needs to buy time, and NOT run around in circles. IMHO
March 5th, 2010 at 9:12 am
I like Jonesy941
March 5th, 2010 at 9:13 am
I’ll bet you’re a good salesman O.
You can still buy this ‘98 Neon I’ve got but you’ll have to ship it yourself. I’m pretty sure it’s not going to float.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:13 am
So Parcells’s big signing from the Raiders in Wilson and Grove end up, uh, not working out.
How much are they paying that guy to run their franchise? Maybe Al needs his help.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:14 am
385.Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:03 am
moRon,
Go play with yourself Talking Monkey
Raider O, good thing MR isnt here, he would be all over you for those racial posts,..so cool it man.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:14 am
RaiderRon Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Its cool Silver, just remember……
believe= hope
think= wish
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Yeah dude – I got it the first time.
I was being scarcastic. Are you really this moronic?
Is anyone else finding your obsessive compulsive dwelling on this to be as disturbing as me?
Move on to something else dude. As Big Al said “Get over it”.
Hey, I’ve got an idea for you, how about you bring something Raider-related to the table?
From what I’ve seen thus far, you’re kinda like Richochet’s little biotch. You’re like a mini-Richochet.
You seem to have nothing interesting to share, so you bag on other people’s grammatical details.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:15 am
Might even call the FBI again…lol
March 5th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Oh crap, Mawae goin to Broncos it looks like,..that sucks.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:16 am
when are Warren & Fargas getting axed?
when are those bonus payments due?
that day can’t come soon enough imo!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Gradkowski was a 50% passer last year…
How exactly do you guys define accurate?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Has Parcells ever won a playoff game as a GM?
He is like the Larry Brown of GM’s, goes to bad situations, enforces accountability and defense, the team improves but after a few years guys are over it.
Know obviously I would love him in Oakland, but the media treats the guy like everything he touches is golden and I’m not buying it.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Cable wants Russell and Gradowski to compete for starting QB?
Great, that means that we know our starting QB will at least be competent. The only competition Russell is going to win is a hot-dog eating contest.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Mawae goin to Broncos it looks like,..that sucks.
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donks gave up pro bowler casey wiegmann because he was old and they are going after a dude who is 2 years older than he is ???
LOL. anybody want a real NT yet?
who’s ready to see Bryant & Kelly get pancaked?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:19 am
LMAO Ricky Bobby.
He was trying to do the Right Thing! lol
March 5th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Do any of you guys even watch football i mean c’mon im in Florida so i dont see all the raider games but who do u suggest we start other than Gradkowski? retard russel or frye i meen hes ok but Grad makes it happen. he might not be all that on paper but he can win us games!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Raider O Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:12 am
S N S,
It does remind me of how Garcia played at times, and that Bothers me. He has happy feet, and he runs too much. He needs to buy time, and NOT run around in circles. IMHO
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Raider O:
Don’t you think having a good O-Line in front of him would elliminate some of that?????????
Come on bud, if Troy Aikman was standing behind Satele & Green, etc., you really think he’d be the Troy Aikman you know now?
Gannon had to scramble a ton his first couple of years with the Raiders. But wow – all of a sudden Robbins, Kennedy and the rest of those boys becamse more & more legit and he no longer needed to do that.
That’s what makes all this QB eveluation even more complex. How much of it is really the QB, and how much is really the O-Line.
Unfortunately, they’re so inter-linked that it’s a little of both.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Bruce Gradkowski is a two-time NFL record holder.
“Gradkowski set the record for throwing more passes in NFL history before suffering a second career interception(200)”
“Gradkowski completed 20 of 33 passes for 308 yards and 3 touchdowns, including an 11-yard game winning touchdown to Louis Murphy. For his performance in this game he was awarded the AFC Offensive Player of the Week award for week 13 of the regular season.[3][4] It was also a new record in the NFL, for the most come from behind touchdowns thrown in the 4th Quarter since 1991, when statistical records only started to be kept track on this”
Give it a few years, and the NFL records will be littered with Bruce Gradkowski’s name.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Gradkowski was a 50% passer last year…
How exactly do you guys define accurate?
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completion percentage –
Russell: 49
Gradkowski: 55
Frye: 61
take your pick!
also from the 2007 draft
Quinn: 53
Edwards: 60
Kolb: 65
just sayin’
March 5th, 2010 at 9:23 am
54.7% accuracy looks better than 48.8 that #1 pick got us!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Damn Vegas …
right after your endorsement, he goes to the do you watch games take, lol.
I bet that was disappointing.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:25 am
wow u know nothing of football jhill
March 5th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Vegas: I gotta give you much props for sticking to your guns regarding Gradkowski
if he’s turns out to be a player next year guys like Debo, Jhill, Dakota & Raider O will be your personal ball washers
March 5th, 2010 at 9:27 am
LMFAO!
The question was how do you define accuracy? You claimed Gradkowski and his 54% (not quite sure why you chose to round up RRS, lol) were accurate and I just asked you to clarify accuracy.
What does Jamarcus Russell have to do with that?
You people!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:27 am
i have been reading this sit efor around 2 years and these are my first comments because it is like a soap opera on this blog between all you raider haters
March 5th, 2010 at 9:28 am
not quite sure why you chose to round up RRS
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I rounded up for every QB on that list Jhill. even your boy JaWalrus!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:28 am
jonesy941 Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:25 am
wow u know nothing of football jhill
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LOL Vegas!
Will he go for the trifecta?
Jonesy … Nothing about football? Nada?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:30 am
What does Jamarcus Russell have to do with that?
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you’re harping on Bruce’s accuracy as reason a less accurate QB should start in his place.
make sense? not to me!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:30 am
We need to sign G/C Rex Hadnot if his knee is fixed. Right now the Broncos are having him in for a meeting.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:31 am
guys like Debo, Jhill, Dakota & Raider O will be your personal ball washers
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I’ve been trying to get Vegas on the course for a while now. If Gradkowski turns out to be the player Vegas thinks he will, you know out of the league in a few years, then yeah, I’ll make sure his Pro V1 doesn’t have any mud on it when he tees off. They have some cool ball washers on the carts along with the GPS.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:33 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Cable wants Russell and Gradowski to compete for starting QB?
Great, that means that we know our starting QB will at least be competent. The only competition Russell is going to win is a hot-dog eating contest.
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I am not siding with Russell here, but I guess you are saying Garbagekowski is competent? Based on what? His 53% completion percentage?
Going into 2010 with Frye, Garbage and Russell means we are fuked.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:34 am
jonesy: Jhill knows plenty about football and he seems like an all around good dude.
He and I go back & forth every day and disagree about everything under the sun, but he’s not ignorant.
He has reasons for what he believes in, just like we do. sometimes you just gotta agree to disagree.
I’m sure 100% of Raider fans would jump back on the Russell bandwagon if he starts lighting it up, myself included. I don’t see that happening personally, but what do I know? I’m just a fan!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:34 am
you’re harping on Bruce’s accuracy as reason a less accurate QB should start in his place.
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What?
Is that your reading between the lines again?
Jonesy and you other people talk about Bruce’s accuracy? I just asked someone to clarify accuracy and we start talking about Russell?
How about telling me about accuracy? WTF does accuracy mean in terms of accuracy. Not Jamarcus Russell or Bruce Gradkowski. But define accuracy on it’s own, and tell me if Gradkowski is that guy.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Jonesy941 Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:25 am
wow u know nothing of football jhill
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If anybody in here actually knew anything real about football, they’d be working in football. Sure there are ranges from the “I learned everything I know playing Madden Football” to “I played some in College and know players/coaches”, but nobody I’ve ever seen in here has ever actually worked a single day in the NFL.
Without actual work experience in anything, “nobody knows nothin’”.
With that out of the way: Bruce couldn’t be in a better situation. He has shown some success so players couldn’t help but think he could continue said success and he’ll have an opportunity to win a job. I hope he does well because then either he’ll be the QB and be doing well or JR will have to have done even better. Either way, a successful Bruce is a successful starting QB.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:36 am
and yes u do have to factor in the o-line play(sucked) and grad is really not that bad he could have won us that kansas city game if it were not for james jett jr. and that would mean he won all the games he started. He makes it work no one knows why but he does. all i
am saying is that if u have a better idea or qb that could play for us who is it. grad is the only light at the end of the tunnel at the moment. so i got him back. and hope davis croaks < we can all agree on something!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:37 am
I swear to you folks, Gradkowski is just a figment of Gary Larsen’s imagination, a Far Side comic figure.
picture a cow standing on its hind hooves strapped to some skis, dressed in a cap and gown, ski poles in its fore hooves and wearing a “My Name is Bruce” sticker on its lapel.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Why thank you for those kind words RRS.
You now have my full support for Danny Southwick as the #3 QB.
Considering Grads won’t hold up, and Russell is 50-50, Southwick might be in a pretty good position to take things over.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Hey Dakota!
How’s it going up there in cold cow country?
The UK’s had one of its worst winters ever but fortunately I was in Cali.
I’m saying that Gradowski is at least average which puts about two light years ahead of Russell.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Sure there are ranges from the “I learned everything I know playing Madden Football”
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LMFAO!
Don’t underestimate the virtual trainer that is Madden 10.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Jhill: define accuracy? here you have it!
As of the 2008 season, the all time leaders in pass completion percentage are:
1) Chad Pennington – 65.6%
2) Kurt Warner – 65.1%
3) Steve Young – 64.3%
4) Peyton Manning – 64.2%
5) Carson Palmer – 64.1%
March 5th, 2010 at 9:40 am
JHill,
I play the Max-Fli noodles.
Long and soft, lol
Yes, we just need the “you don’t know what talent is” from our new buddy, and we got the trifecta in less than an hour!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:42 am
from Jhill
“You now have my full support for Danny Southwick as the #3 QB.
Considering Grads won’t hold up, and Russell is 50-50, Southwick might be in a pretty good position to take things over.”
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look BSJ! another convert!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:42 am
and grad is really not that bad he could have won us that kansas city game if it were not for james jett jr. and that would mean he won all the games he started.
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Now I have to keep in mind your do u watch the games crack.
So if DHB doesn’t drop the TD pass from Grads, then Grads wins all the games he started?
You sure about that?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:43 am
# jonesy941 Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:27 am
i have been reading this sit efor around 2 years and these are my first comments because it is like a soap opera on this blog between all you raider haters
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In other words, you’ve been reading this site and POSTING AS SOMEONE ELSE for two years, and this is your way of getting your big toe in, under another handle??
got cha.
thanks for the heads up.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:43 am
That is hilarious Vegas!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Ahh..the daily ’splitting hairs on which inept qb deserves to lead the Raiders into the abyss”.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Interestingly, for a guy who has been a backup for the most part, Bruce isn’t that great of the bench. His worst games were the KC and Jets games.
Meanwhile, Jamarcus looked decent coming off the pine his two times. Not quite sure about Gus Johnson and his Johnny U reference (I love Gus though) in the Denver game, but he did look better.
Got to play your players to their strengths!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:46 am
look BSJ! another convert!
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Jhill, nice to have you on the bus. Southwick is the kind of player who makes everyone else better. Sort of an anti-DMAC.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Honestly, that silly sorry exchange between MR, Oakglen/Seymour last night?
That kind of stuff has fans from other teams pointing at raider fans, and laughing.
Smack is one thing.
that was sorryass 3rd grade juvenile, at best.
I’m embarrassed for them.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:47 am
haha i love u guys already. j russ is terrible i don’t care who died in his family he can’t play he has no intangibles unlike gradkowski though intangibles wont win games hes the best we have at the moment and i assure you fellow silver and black bleeders if the o-line is improved that 54% will rise! cant shove him uder a rug what has he done wrong f up his knees? that was the o-line fault
March 5th, 2010 at 9:48 am
In other words, you’ve been reading this site and POSTING AS SOMEONE ELSE for two years,
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RIGHT!
I mean I was wondering how today was any less of a soap opera.
It’s just amazing how the MIPs think they can flame under one handle and then sneak back in under another handle and still not simply be the same bad poster who pulls shyt out of their arss.
So what if I’m wrong man, it’s a fuggin blog. What, Jamarcus turns out to be the biggest bust in the world and I change my name because of it?
The whole concept is hilarious to me.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:48 am
if DHB doesn’t drop the TD pass from Grads, then Grads wins all the games he started?
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I hate WHAT-IF scenarios. That’d be like me saying “if Kirk Morrison slams Marshawn Lynch in that game against Buffalo a few years back you’d all want him to remain in Oakland!”
I would never do that. never judge a player based upon 1 play, 1 game or even 1 season. take a look at the entire body of work. regarding DHB? he was targeted 40 times last year. less than Miller, Murphy, Schilens & Higgins. pretty sad considering Schilens was hurt for much of the season and Higgins was shell shocked after that hit by Eric Weddle! I need to see more …
March 5th, 2010 at 9:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:25 am
Vegas: I gotta give you much props for sticking to your guns regarding Gradkowski
if he’s turns out to be a player next year guys like Debo, Jhill, Dakota & Raider O will be your personal ball washers
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I just want the Raiders to win. If Jamarcus leads us to the AFC West title, I will take it all in stride with a smile on my face.
I know the same for J, Dakota and O. Priest and Debo I still think might be stuck in excuse mode, but in about 9 months when we win the division with Bruce at the helm, we will find out won’t we?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Richochet Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Ahh..the daily ’splitting hairs on which inept qb deserves to lead the Raiders into the abyss”.
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Ayyy, man!
This blog dies if we are not talking Russell. The draft doesn’t even get the posts up to 250. Russell vs Gradkowski? 1000 posts every 2 days.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Is there ANY news of FA visits to Alameda?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:53 am
in about 9 months when we win the division with Bruce at the helm, we will find out won’t we?
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oh yeah!
all we need to do is find starters at FB, C, RG, RT & NT.
fix the lines !!!
I also think we could use a veteran WR and another CB (FA or late draft pick)
March 5th, 2010 at 9:54 am
# jonesy941 Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:27 am
i have been reading this sit efor around 2 years and these are my first comments because it is like a soap opera on this blog between all you raider haters
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In other words, you’ve been reading this site and POSTING AS SOMEONE ELSE for two years, and this is your way of getting your big toe in, under another handle??
got cha.
thanks for the heads up.
hahahahahahahah yeah sure guy,whatever floats your boat actually i this is my first time on any blog ever!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:54 am
i assure you fellow silver and black bleeders if the o-line is improved that 54% will rise! cant shove him uder a rug what has he done wrong f up his knees? that was the o-line fault
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Hmmm, a minute a go we were Raider haters, so I guess we’re moving up on your totem pole?
Are you making excuses for Gradkowski? The Oline’s fault? What that he was 54%? I thought that was good and accurate? How is that a “fault” you want to hang on the Oline?
Did I miss your accuracy definition? Do you need help with the question?
March 5th, 2010 at 9:55 am
BSJ,
Someone was reporting that Antonio Bryant made a return trip to the Bay Area to visit the Raiders. No word on if he did while driving 120 MPH, wasted in his Ferrari.
Another Bryant nugget:
On September 17, 2007, Bryant was reinstated by the league, but was not able to sign with a team, partly because of a failed drug test over the summer. In October 2007, he filed a lawsuit against the NFL to try to get them to stop drug testing him since he is not currently a player, and to drop the failed drug test.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Is there ANY news of FA visits to Alameda?
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Antonio Bryant.
Have to get Southwick some legit targets. Chaz is only good for 8 games, and Murphy is our only legit option. DHB is another 2 years away according to the Cliff Branch comparisons.
March 5th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Is there ANY news of FA visits to Alameda?
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BSJ:
Sam Williams, Jon Alston, Cornell Green, Khalif Barnes, Langston Walker, Gary Russell, J.P. Losman & William Joseph.
all expected to be signed this week!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:57 am
i watched plenty tapes of dhb was not that good in college is just a ok guy like a 3rd round guy. not number 7
March 5th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Under what circumstances do we remove the starting QB this year in favor of the backup?
There are a couple lingering questions I see you Gradkowski dudes are dodging!
March 5th, 2010 at 9:59 am
DHB is another 2 years away according to the Cliff Branch comparisons.
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Jhill: how many years away is Mike Mitchell from becoming the next Ronnie Lott or Jack Tatum (Cable’s comparison)?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:01 am
Cut DMAC for $$$ to sign Sam Williams, Jon Alston, Cornell Green, Khalif Barnes, Langston Walker, Gary Russell, J.P. Losman & William Joseph!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:01 am
i never said 54% was good or accurate i said it was better than j russel who should be cut and not be in the nfl then said do u have a better idea on who to start. gees i finally make my first post and im a superstar maybe i should be the qb GET OFF MY D
March 5th, 2010 at 10:02 am
all we need to do is find starters at FB, C, RG, RT & NT.
fix the lines !!!
I also think we could use a veteran WR and another CB (FA or late draft pick)
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FB – Oren ONeal
C – Samson Satele
RG – Iupati
RT – Ciron Black
NT – Lamar Houston
WR – Antonio Bryant
CB – CJ
March 5th, 2010 at 10:06 am
and something jrus doesnt have accuracy and honestly is not bad at throwing it deep
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Actually, you did say it, lol!
That damn in print thing is hard to get away from.
Superstar? Is that along the same line of thinking that has you believing Gradkowski is accurate?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:07 am
who is avoiding questions about gradkowski? it is what it is. he came of the bench to play for one of the most dysfunctional offenses in the nfl and was a bright spot why are any of you hating on grad. he may not be our savior but i bet he can win more games than jruss or frye. and unless one of you think big al is going to draft a qb what do u suggest? still no reponse
March 5th, 2010 at 10:08 am
RG – Iupati
RT – Ciron Black
NT – Lamar Houston
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Jhill: then how are you going to replace my boy Kirk?
FA? 3rd or 4th round draft pick?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:08 am
Morning Nation
March 5th, 2010 at 10:08 am
Trade DMAC for………………………………………………
March 5th, 2010 at 10:09 am
LOL @ Get off my D …
That is hilarious!
I think “I wasn’t quite ready” would be more appropriate.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:09 am
yo jhill you act like i am praising his accuracy and all i did was state it was better than your bf’s
March 5th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Ricky Brown, man …
Ricky Brown!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:09 am
Jhill:
jonesy is a Superstar only talking to semi-pro bloggers
don’t you get it? haha
March 5th, 2010 at 10:10 am
no i dont
March 5th, 2010 at 10:11 am
I’d be fine with Ricky Brown seizing the MLB job if Kirk gets traded and we have a real NT in place.
I think Ricky Brown is a player (if he can manage to stay healthy) …
March 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Jonesy,
you came on here huffing about Gradkowski. You sit on the sidelines for 2 years and your first post is about Bruce Gradkowski? Gimme a break man.
You flat out said Grads was accurate. I simply asked you to define accurate and here we are.
If you now want to back track and say you meant in comparison to Russell then just say that and move on.
All the mightier than I do you watch football, and you know nothing crap gets you the “superstar” treatment around here man. You better be ready. Cliches and ESPN regurgitation don’t cut it in here.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:13 am
kirk and brown are not the answer ranoldo mclain is!!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:14 am
Antonio Bryant? Why when we have the great DHB, Chaz and JLH?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:14 am
jhill Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Under what circumstances do we remove the starting QB this year in favor of the backup?
There are a couple lingering questions I see you Gradkowski dudes are dodging!
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Whoever this years starting QB is, will have a shorter leash than last years QB.
I think we can agree on that.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:14 am
if you get your wish and Capt Kirk lands elsewhere, what would we do at backup MLB?
Brown wasn’t durable at OLB and the MLB job is much more physically demanding. If he lands on IR for the 3rd straight season, who would fill in at MLB?
Scott & Howard are OLB starters.
so that leaves Nixon, Norris, Ekejiuba?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Does Rolando Mclain plan on running at a pro day at some point? He looked slow in the championship game…I wouldn’t touch him unless we have a 40 time on him.
Sometimes Al is right about the 40 times…
March 5th, 2010 at 10:16 am
and unless one of you think big al is going to draft a qb what do u suggest? still no reponse
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I thought you’ve been doing nothing but reading for the past 2 years.
Again, my suggestion would be to draft John Skelton in rd 2 or 3 and start Gradkowskit next year until Skelton is ready.
Next question?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
I’ve changed my tune a tad on Mclain after reviewing the “film” (had to say it)
A little tentative at times. Very young, and is supposed to be some type of film-junkie with great instincts, but I am turning more towards Spikes these days. Don’t see the sideline-to-sideline ability I would like in a 4-3 MLB from Mclain.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
ok then when u have 6-2 to 6-6 260+ pound de and dt chasing you 54% is not terrible. and yes i think grad could most deff become great like i said he has all the intangibles of a great qb from what i have seen in his limited time in oak and tampa he can deff become something great.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
jonesy: McClain doesn’t have “Raider speed”
if we get a MLB in Round 1 it’ll be because we traded back up into the first round and grabbed Spoon
Sean Weatherspoon (Missouri)
March 5th, 2010 at 10:19 am
I brought this up yesterday. Cardinals only want a 3rd rounder for Boldin. Pull the trigger uncle Al!!!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:19 am
so that leaves Nixon, Norris, Ekejiuba?
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You already knew the answer. I’m sure the 2 young LBs were drafted last year are going to get every shot to prove they are not the guy a la Ricky Brown. STs last year, chance to take the positions not manned by Trevor Scott this year.
Nixon and Norris will get LONG looks.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:21 am
vegas raider Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Interestingly, for a guy who has been a backup for the most part, Bruce isn’t that great of the bench. His worst games were the KC and Jets games.
Meanwhile, Jamarcus looked decent coming off the pine his two times. Not quite sure about Gus Johnson and his Johnny U reference (I love Gus though) in the Denver game, but he did look better.
Got to play your players to their strengths!!!
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That’s one way of looking at it. I think the Jets and Chiefs games are the only two where you can truly say Bruce and JR played with the same garbage supporting casts. And they both played bad. When Chaz and Gallery got back, and DHB went to the bench, everyone played better. Be careful what you wish for when you get your competition this summer.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:21 am
and if not mclain i would love brandon spikes i live in fla and love the gators! spikes prob is
March 5th, 2010 at 10:21 am
my suggestion would be to draft John Skelton in rd 2 or 3
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what about:
RG – Iupati
RT – Ciron Black
NT – Lamar Houston
????
think both Black & Skelton can be had in Round 3?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:21 am
jonesy941 Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
ok then when u have 6-2 to 6-6 260+ pound de and dt chasing you 54% is not terrible. and yes i think grad could most deff become great like i said he has all the intangibles of a great qb from what i have seen in his limited time in oak and tampa he can deff become something great.
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Why doesn’t Russell get that same excuse? Is the line better when he plays or something?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Let’s find Greg Biekert and throw his ass back in the middle.
GAMER
March 5th, 2010 at 10:22 am
I am a fan of Slade Norris. Those damn Beavers play the game the right way.
Thought he looked pretty comy in space in the preseason, especially given it was his first go at it.
He’s on my radar for the preseason.
Can we start the preseason already?? The Warriors blow, Cal MIGHT win a game in the tourney, and baseballs opening day is a month away and the draft almost two months away.
Killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:22 am
not as fast as Al would like either and spikes could be around in the 2nd round
March 5th, 2010 at 10:23 am
jonesy941 Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:18 am
ok then when u have 6-2 to 6-6 260+ pound de and dt chasing you 54% is not terrible.
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54% is not terrible? What is Russell’s career compl %
Is he 2% pts away from shaking the inaccurate lable?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:24 am
think both Black & Skelton can be had in Round 3?
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We have 2 third rd picks, so I’m hoping so.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:24 am
You could pull the trigger on Boldin…Cut DHB give boldin dhb’s money….
March 5th, 2010 at 10:25 am
russel just stands there and gets hit grad at least does not need a wheel chair even the other defenses said they love when he goes in like a statue
March 5th, 2010 at 10:25 am
DHb should have gotten a 7th RD tender
March 5th, 2010 at 10:25 am
Sign Bolden!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Not as many mock drafts flying around in here like last year.
I think we were a little overboard with it last year though. I think I had a good 7-8 “mocks”.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:26 am
This is the year to spend, Mr. Davis should feel compelled…
March 5th, 2010 at 10:27 am
start JR because he has a big body to absorb the blows behind our swiss cheese o-line!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Throw in that I almost had a heart attack at the end of the Nova-Cincy game the other night and I am scared to wager these days, I am in sports Siberia right now.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:29 am
And to clarify that RRS,
That’s only if there is a legitimate chance of Russell being cut. If they plan on developing Russell, then I say skip Skelton all together.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:29 am
This offseason is a little confusing to me. So are we keeping sorry ass Luke???
March 5th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Spoon over Spikes.
Spikes had stiff hips at the combine. Scouts don’t think he’ll be able to cover very well in the pros.
might have dropped from 15-20 overall to 30-40 overall
remember Rey Malalala last year?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Garbage is not the answer.
Go after McNabb, Kolb, Bulger, maybe even Croyle or Billy Volec, David Carr, Pennington if healthy, maybe even Troy Smith!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Why is it that teams like the Detroit Lions are being aggresive and trying to improve there team, but I don’t hear a thing about the Raiders being mentioned?
If Al doesn’t start opening his wallet in the next day or 2, we will be left overspending for the scraps. I hope he is working out some kind of blockbuster for guys like Boldin and Dansby. Please Al no more reclamation projects or other teams has beens. AKA Javon,D.Hall,K.Harris etc;
March 5th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Just give me a tough MLB who can shed blockers. Can Spoon shed blockers? (Never seen him play.)
March 5th, 2010 at 10:33 am
If they plan on developing Russell, then I say skip Skelton all together.
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how can they develop him? what should they do differently? this is his 4th NFL season. shouldn’t he be close to “developed” already?
no doubt he was a raw prospect when we drafted him, but dang buster! 4 years?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:33 am
Jonesy,
Would it surprise you to know that Grads loses fumbles at the same rate that Bruce does?
You know that shabby Oline you were talking about? They allow our guys to get hit from behind. Which causes injuries and fumbles, right?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Are Grads and bruce one in the same lol
March 5th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Pennington is awful.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:34 am
DHB will gain at least 700 yards this season.
If he doesn’t I guess I need to change my handle to “MaddenRaider’s Pet”?
I think the Raiders will finally have a 1000 yard back again this year.
If not, I supposed I’ll need to hide and change my handle to “No More Fargas’ Biotch”????
Nah. . .sorry, Smac’s always gonna be Smac.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:34 am
*aren’t
March 5th, 2010 at 10:35 am
# DMAC Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:19 am
I brought this up yesterday. Cardinals only want a 3rd rounder for Boldin. Pull the trigger uncle Al!!!!!!
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Boldin, Jamal Williams, and Mawae. Get it done, Davis.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:35 am
I wonder if Russell will be emotional like Delhomme is now if/when the Raiders release him
March 5th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Gibril Wilson will be release by the mermaids today!!!!!!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:36 am
add Gibril to the wasted money pile
March 5th, 2010 at 10:37 am
I mean seriously how can you be succesful with a name like Gibril, he was doomed from the beggining
March 5th, 2010 at 10:37 am
Would it surprise you to know that Grads loses fumbles at the same rate that Bruce does?
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Well sort of…..
When actually sacked, yes their % are pretty identical.
But Bruce wasn’t sacked at the same rate, so not quite fumbling at the same rate.
Splitting hairs, I know.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:37 am
I don’t hear a thing about the Raiders being mentioned
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Al always waits for the first wave of FA to pass. he’ll re-sign low profile guys like he did last year. older vets like Ellis, Garcia & Neal or young guys who fit the system that nobody else wants like Pears, Satele & Gradkowski.
He’s just hoping these draft picks step it up and finally produce.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Did I see somewhere that Fargas might get cut? Tom Cable would cry like a wife beating biotch if that happened.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:38 am
I don’t know RRS …
I really don’t know. I just think it was one bad year. Certainly Kiffin was “developing” him last year, and I saw progress. I just think his “development” got off track last year. If they plan on trying to get him back on track, or have not given up on him is maybe a better way of saying it, then I think we should pass on a QB this year. If they have given up on him, let’s move on.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Garbage is not the answer.
Go after McNabb, Kolb, Bulger, maybe even Croyle or Billy Volec, David Carr, Pennington if healthy, maybe even Troy Smith!
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Grads may not be the answer when it’s all said and done. But half the guys in that list aren’t the answer either.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:39 am
DHB will have 5 or more TD’s this year. Book it
March 5th, 2010 at 10:39 am
I’d bring in Delhomme (sp?) just to see if Jackson can save him.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:39 am
RR, I know your right, just wishful thinking on my part
March 5th, 2010 at 10:41 am
Certainly Kiffin was “developing” him last year, and I saw progress.
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This is one thing I agree with you on with respect to Russell, Jhill. He should have never been thrown to the wolves. Needed to be developed slowly, which Kiff was trying to do.
Doesn’t excuse him from being completely immature and not dedicating himself, though.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:41 am
SPOON!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Vegas,
LOL man. I know our review of the turnovers was a little painful for you last week.
Do me a favor and remind RRS how the “film” study showed those 2 turnovers in the Ravens game were Bradyesque, lol.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:42 am
You guys think Jamal Williams has anything left in the tank????
March 5th, 2010 at 10:42 am
I wonder if Russell will be emotional like Delhomme is now if/when the Raiders release him
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nah. Russell is known for his cool demeanor, right?
“relax guys. I got this”
March 5th, 2010 at 10:44 am
I would give Jamal a 1-2 year contract with lots of incentives. (can’t do much worse, right?)
March 5th, 2010 at 10:44 am
# DMAC Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:42 am
You guys think Jamal Williams has anything left in the tank????
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Worth a shot. Get him, Davis…
Boldin, Jamal Williams, Mawae
March 5th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Mawae would be a good line coach and hopefully get 1 more year playing out of him
March 5th, 2010 at 10:48 am
The Big Banana Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:38 am
Garbage is not the answer.
Go after McNabb, Kolb, Bulger, maybe even Croyle or Billy Volec, David Carr, Pennington if healthy, maybe even Troy Smith!
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Grads may not be the answer when it’s all said and done. But half the guys in that list aren’t the answer either.
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Not long-term, but I would rather have McNabb for three years, or Bulger for a couple of years, or even Pennington for half a year than start Russell, Garbage or Frye. Volec would also be just a band-aide pickup, but better than anything we have.
Croyle or Carr might be salvageable and Troy Smith might be decent.
You want a good QB long-term…draft Clausen at 8.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:48 am
If they have given up on him, let’s move on.
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I’m fairly certain Cable has and his teammates have. just my opinion there
but Al Davis & Hue Jackson are also involved in some way, shape or form.
I think this offseason will tell us #1 how much JaMarcus is committed to playing pro football and #2 how much the Raiders are committed to him as the starter
slapping tenders on both backup QB’s certainly isn’t something in his favor!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:48 am
Schefter – “They did not love him tender — Colts did not tender former first-round pick Marlin Jackson and he now is free to sign with any team”
They did not love him tender? Really? Grow a pair!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:51 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:48 am
slapping tenders on both backup QB’s certainly isn’t something in his favor!
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Really? How do you come to that conclusion?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:51 am
4-3 NT is a lot less physically demanding than 3-4 NT.
I think Jamal Williams has another 2 years left in the tank and this change might help him stay healthy and continue his dominant ways
I’m sure he doesn’t want to end up competing for a job with the possibility of getting beat out or cut. He’d be an instant starter in Oakland and get to face SD twice each year.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Jamal wants revenge!
March 5th, 2010 at 10:53 am
You want a good QB long-term…draft Clausen at 8.
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Who was the last good QB to come out of ND?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:54 am
RR,
Is the guy healthy? What type of injury is he coming off of?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Breaking News:
The Oakland Raiders are waiting for the initial waive of overpaid free agents to pass so that they may grossly overpay the left over free agents that have little to no talent.
More on this story at 10.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:53 am
You want a good QB long-term…draft Clausen at 8.
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Who was the last good QB to come out of ND?
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Jimmy Clausen.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Marlin Jackson is a solid player, with a great history at THE University of Michigan. Get him Al.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Dakota, to funny! Yet sadly very true.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Before Clausen?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:56 am
RRS,
Post a link please.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Really? How do you come to that conclusion?
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Debo: if the Raiders were committed to Russell as the unquestionned starter they wouldn’t keep both QB’s who started ahead of him and outplayed him last season. They’d let Bruce & Charlie hit the market and just sign other backups like Charlie Batch & Joey Harrington to fill out the roster. they’d play for peanuts anyways …
March 5th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Jamal Williams 6′3″ 348 lbs…33 years old…I’d certainly take him for a year or two. He would make Kelly and Morrison (if he is staying) look much better IMO.
Let Kelly and Bryant rotate at the three tech, with Warren playing NT on obvious passing downs.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Dakota you are on the money with that statement. Pinchi Mr Senile a$$ Davis
March 5th, 2010 at 10:59 am
I hear DMAC is getting advice from Kevin Dillon of entourage about getting calf inplants. That should help his game, what do you think BSJ?
March 5th, 2010 at 10:59 am
Is the guy healthy? What type of injury is he coming off of?
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triceps.
Jamal Williams should be healthy now. placed on IR back in September …
March 5th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Yeah, I would definetly take a shot at him. A 1 or 2 year deal.
March 5th, 2010 at 11:01 am
If we cut Fargas, maybe we should sign Rock Cartwright as a backup RB, but mainly for his kick return skills…
March 5th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Damn You Vegas!!
We have been talking about Bruce for a long time.
I can’t take it any more!
March 5th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Skills? or lack of skills? Rock wouldn’t be my 1st choice, although I hear he is a good guy in the locker room.
March 5th, 2010 at 11:04 am
HairyBush Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:59 am
I hear DMAC is getting advice from Kevin Dillon of entourage about getting calf inplants. That should help his game, what do you think BSJ?
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OK by me, as long as they implant the football in his calf so he doesn’t fumble it.
March 5th, 2010 at 11:04 am
JaMarcus celebrated with his agent after signing that monster contract in Oakland.
http://www.geoffreedphoto.com/gallery_images/fun_recreation/loren_walrus_roll_01.jpg
March 5th, 2010 at 11:04 am
I set em up, you knock em down lol
March 5th, 2010 at 11:05 am
HairyBush Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 11:03 am
Skills? or lack of skills? Rock wouldn’t be my 1st choice, although I hear he is a good guy in the locker room.
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Career average 24 yards per kick return…beats the hell out of Gary Russell’s 18 yard average return.
March 5th, 2010 at 11:05 am
new post!
March 5th, 2010 at 11:06 am
# Silver-n-Smac Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:34 am
DHB will gain at least 700 yards this season.
If he doesn’t I guess I need to change my handle to “MaddenRaider’s Pet”?
I think the Raiders will finally have a 1000 yard back again this year.
If not, I supposed I’ll need to hide and change my handle to “No More Fargas’ Biotch”????
Nah. . .sorry, Smac’s always gonna be Smac.
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DHB?
700 yds?
You mean Silver n Stupid, don’t you?
March 5th, 2010 at 11:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Really? How do you come to that conclusion?
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Debo: if the Raiders were committed to Russell as the unquestionned starter they wouldn’t keep both QB’s who started ahead of him and outplayed him last season. They’d let Bruce & Charlie hit the market and just sign other backups like Charlie Batch & Joey Harrington to fill out the roster. they’d play for peanuts anyways …
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Whatever man. Whatever happens, this is a good trio. I’m not in the locker room, but the support these guys show for each other on the sidelines seems genuine. And both these guys proved to be capable as backups. I think they’re just going with the status quo here. And I’m sure Al recognizes that regardless of JaMaracus’ work ethic or lack thereof, he got thrown into a tough situation last year. He may not be going into the season as the unquestioned starter, but as long as he’s doing what they ask, I think he has the inside track.
March 5th, 2010 at 11:06 am
I’m not real big on Spikes, even in Round 2. Don’t think he’s a MLB in the NFL. Will probably wind up as a rush DE in my opinion.
I think we need a legit MLB but I’m not real high on any of the top guys in this year’s draft. Maybe Darryl Sharpton from Miami in the mid-rounds or maybe hope for a diamond in the rough in the later rounds or free agency. Not great news but it’s reality.
All the more reason we should’ve drafted Maualuga last year.
March 5th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Dude I wouldnt give Stanford Routt a Chicken Tender let alone give him the 1st & 3rd. Wow!
June 18th, 2010 at 3:06 am
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