Fargas’ knees can’t hold up under bonus
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, March 6th, 2010 at 5:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The closest I came to the Raiders today was driving past the Napa Marriott early this morning en route to a 13-and-under doubleheader, with colleague Steve Corkran calling me at some point during the second game to tell me Justin Fargas was waived after failing his physical.
Given that the Raiders Web site has thanked Fargas’ for his contributions, it doesn’t look as if he’ll be back after he attends the Commitment to Excellence award dinner on March 13, an award he won along with Zach Miller.
No doubt the “Human Crash Test Dummy,” as Lane Kiffin called him, has absorbed an incredible amount of punishment over the years. However, what caused the most stress on his joints was the weight of a $1.7 million roster bonus that was due to be paid Monday if Fargas had remained on the roster.
Given Darren McFadden’s durability issues and their reluctance to put too much on the shoulders of Michael Bush, the Raiders are in the market for a running back, either through the draft or free agency.
The Raiders issued the following statement: “Justin Fargas was a beloved Raider who performed at a high level throughout his seven seasons with the team, and his contributions to the Silver and Black will always be remembered. We wish Justin all the best.”
Fargas’ agent, Steve Baker, said via e-mail that “Justin feels he’s healthy to play football.”
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March 6th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Third?
March 6th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Never thought I’d actually do that.
March 6th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
they shoud have waived mcfadden, jamarcus and heyward-bay instead
March 6th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Well, we won’t have Justin Fargas to kick around anymore, eh?
March 6th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
My hope is that in some way Okung falls to us at 8 and Spikes falls for us in the second round. Our DT position can be improved through free agency or late in the draft. A guy like Jay Ross can be had in the 3rd round, there are many DTs in this draft and talented enough. I hope we also get a guard mid round in the draft. Anyone knows who AL will sign in this free agency?
March 6th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
Thank God!
Cut Walker, Warren, and TK if he doesn’t restructure.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Hey Kell,
How ya Doin?
Ready to suffer the slings and arrows? Got your boxing gloves on?
You know some of the freaks are gettin ready to crawl outta the woodwork.
Cue Michael Buffer…Let’s get ready to ruuuuummmmbbbblllleeeee….
March 6th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Fargas was a good Raider. I wish him the best.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
1- OT: Williams, Davis, or Campbell
2- DT: Lamarr Houston
2- ILB: Spikes (trade 3rd & 5th)
3- WR/ KR Jacoby Ford
OR
1- Trade up for SUH
2- Spikes
3- OT
March 6th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Kell,
How was the movie? Did you yell at the screen or not? I asked sarcastically earlier… but that was clearly a mistake, because now I have to know.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Hello raider O.
How are you tonight sir?
Legalize it!
And Go Bucks!
March 6th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
My sentiments exactly Mad Dog 36!
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March 6th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
SteveAlford
Why would you suppose I would yell at the screen in a movie theater?
March 6th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Justin Fargas is over at Yukmouth’s as we speak. I hope to see him tonight at Roosters!
March 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Buckeye,
Legalize It, Tax it, and cut costs spent on that Law.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Raider O Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Buckeye,
Legalize It, Tax it, and cut costs spent on that Law.
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Will you advertise it?
March 6th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Buckeye,
I’m doing well Sir, and how are you this evening?
March 6th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Because every person over the age of fifty that I’ve seen in a theater always does so. I actually don’t know if you’re old or if it’s just a popular way to rib you, though… but I imagined you at the theater yelling to the characters on screen. Don’t know why… it just seemed right. I don’t know what your race is, so it’s not a black stereotype comment; just an “older person” stereotype.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Dogg,
I Will Smoke It!!
March 6th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
O
I am going to be making abig batch of butter tomorrow, I am psyched. Wanna cookie?
March 6th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
I will Grow it!
I will buy it!!
But I’ll be too high to advertise it! lol
March 6th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Although… that gave me an interesting thought… young white people don’t yell at the screen but OLD white people do. Young black people do… so does that mean that when they get older, they stop? I’m going to have to investigate further…
“Fun with Stereotypes!” hosted by Steve Alford! Next week, we find out if Asian people actually ARE worse at driving than other races and investigate whether or not there are any white people out there who CAN dance. TUNE IN THEN!
March 6th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
O
You can be a walking advertisment. “Look at my grin sir”
March 6th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Yes Sir!!
March 6th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
I am hitting the road, long drive to Alameda from here, plus I have some others to scoop up.
See you all tonight!
March 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Yeah O, I believe it’s the largest cash crop in the country, maybe 2nd behind corn? Either way, if it was legalized and taxed like alcohol, that would bring in a lot of revenue. Not to mention free up a lot of jail cells, and legal resources to pursue true “criminals”.
Anyway, off the soap box and back to football.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
It’s a good thing this isn’t Kawakami’s blog… even pointing out that stereotypes EXIST is enough to piss off some people. Damn the politically correct, says I.
Anyway, I really didn’t want to have to pay 25’s roster bonus… but it sucks to see him go. He had the kind of spirit, drive, and determination that I want to see in both Bush AND DMC. He also had another trait that I hope they both pick up… the ability to secure the ball…
March 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Shutter Island was a waste of time, btw.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
LMAO
It does make me happy.
God only knows would I would do to You People, if I didn’t smoke.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
I wouldn’t be shocked if Fargas is resigned for less. He’s been a tough guy and hard worker. However, this draft is loaded with RB talent and I kind of hope we look that route instead. These guys can probably all be had in Round 2 or even much later:
- Toby Gerhardt, Stanford
- Montario Hardesty, Tennessee
- Joe McKnight, USC
- Ben Tate, Auburn
- Legarrette Blount, Oregon
- Lonyae Miller, Fresno State
As well as many other prospects I’m not as familiar with but am sure there’s probably a few diamonds in the rough among them as well.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Kell,
I mean ZERO offense by this, but I’m curious as all get-out now, because they keep calling you old… are you over or under 50? I don’t want specifics, just a ballpark so I know how far back your Raider knowledgebase dates.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
Weed is only still illegal for 1 or more of these 3 reasons:
1) Heavyweight drug dealers have bought out the politicians and/or intimidated them into not wanting to legalize weed.
2) Law enforcement doesn’t want to lose employees and resources. It’d be tougher to justify carrying the same workforce/budget if weed were legal.
3) No politician wants to stick his neck out and risk getting branded a weak on crime liberal by Rush “The Pill-Popper” Limbaugh and the rest of the holier than thou conservative side of the ball, not to mention Sue and Sally Soccer Mom.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
Buckeye,
We need an OT, DT/ DE, and an ILB.
Who do you like in FA?
March 6th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Im 57, started going to Raider games in 1964′.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
WILL MISS YOU FARGAS
March 6th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqcRRp8s4lw
March 6th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
Well, despite any disagreements we have and regardless of any of the things on which we agree, it’s awesome that you’ve stuck with the team for 16 years longer than I’ve been alive. Good on ya, Kell.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
They could cut the entire team then stick the saints in silver and black and nothing would change because on 1 man.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
O,
i was salivating at the thought of Karlos Dansby in silver & black. Realized it was highly unlikely though. I think Antonio Pierce, formerly of the G-men might not be a bad consolation prize if his neck checks out ok. Definitely a more physical presence in the middle than Capt. Kirk.
I’ve been beating the drum for marshall Yanda of Balt. for a long time. I believe he is a restricted FA. Never heard if he was tendered, or with what. I asked if anybody on here had heard anything. Nobody answered, and I’m too lazy to look it up myself. I think he would be a definite upgrade to Cooper Carlisle at RG or could possibly slide out to RT.
March 6th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
I’m not sold on A Pierce, but I like Yanda a lot.
I think we should draft Spikes in the 2nd. Trade a 3rd & 5th to gain another 2nd and draft a Lamarr Houston.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
First you state you’re 58? lol…now you’re 57 Kelli?
You sure it’s not..like…59?
And I call BS on your going to Raider games…YOU DON’T GO TO THE GAMES..so don’t pretend you do.
Regardless of how long you profess to support a team you know nothing about…the more pressing question is how long have you been a racist scumbag, Kelli?
# KoolKell Says:
March 4th, 2010 at 11:22 pm
Chris in NY
It’s alright peckerwood, it’s all good.
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# KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Hey Peckerwood Podunker, how’s it going today?
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KoolKell Says:
March 5th, 2010 at 11:29 am
Boo
You’re a lying piece of shyt.
You fuking peckerwood you were trying to make a statement with that headline
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Urban Dictionary
Definition: peckerwood
“Racist term for white man.”
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Your ass should be banned for your racist crap, Racist Scumbag.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Don’t mean to scare you guys, but . . .
. . . with the 8th pick of the NFL draft . . . Al Davis selects . . . Jahvid Best, RB, California!
March 6th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Amazing Raiders cut Fargas to save 1.5 mil…when the team is paying out what? 25 mil or so this year alone on JR, McFumble, and Bey?
No wonder it’s 7 years and counting on being the worst in the NFL
March 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
How the hell did I never know that “peckerwood” is derogatory toward white people? I grew up in the south and never heard it used as a racial slur… my dad (white) uses it all the time… for people of any color (mostly his kids and grandkids, though).
I always got along with black people far better than whites (being a poor-white-trash tobacco-growing farmboy)… so maybe I never heard it that way because I wasn’t a peckerwood in their eyes… but then again, that means the likelihood of me hearing it used to describe others would go up. Usually, it was just “racist redneck” or “cracker” that was used around here to describe the “honkeys.”
March 6th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
O,
A Pierce is a veteran MLB who would bring some much needed leadership to the D. He has been at the center of two very stout defenses. The giants and before that Washington.
somebody posted a link to some article in Bleacher report or something, a week or so ago. It was very critical of Pierce. Said he was weak in coverage, and playing in space. Duh… we have linebackers who excel at playing in space and in coverage. Their names are Kirk Morrison and Thomas Howard. We need somebody who is stout against the run. Fills the A gaps with cement, and lays the Wood to ball carriers. That could be Pierce. But it’s all contingent on his neck injury.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
You didn’t know it was racist, Steve, but Kelli sure did..and made sure he didn’t just use it once, but as you can tell, from one day to the next, directed at different posters…who…oddly…just happen to be “white”.
Not lost is the fact that kelli’s one of the first to use the race card when he’s getting slapped down, only to prove he’s actually referring to himself.
isn’t that the way it always is?
March 6th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Buckeye,
Two years ago, I would have agreed that Kirk played great in space… but last season, all he did was CREATE SPACE… by not being where he should be on half the snaps. Any time a team needed a first down, they could just get 12 yards over the middle on a dump to a RB because Kirk would be 16 yards downfield and off to the weakside about five yards. Then they’d run it up the gut for 8 yards on first down after that.
When Kirk was NEW to playing as the MLB, he played it aggressively and made an impact, especially in passing situations… then he got complacent and tentative (putting it VERY nicely). I honestly think that IF he played the way he did when he first converted from Sam to Mike, he could hold down his spot… but my faith in him is lower than a snake’s belly in a wagon rut. I knew that we wouldn’t get Dansby, but I really hoped we would.
OL and DL with our first FOUR picks unless Spikes is there in Rd 2… then it’s OT, Spikes, DT, G (the linemen can be in any order).
March 6th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Mr. O’Shea,
Yes: anyone whose first assumption when attacked is that it was racially motivated is a racist. The jump to assert that all attacks are predicated on hatred due to color is spurred on by their own mind’s propensity to find race to be the premiere cause of attacks/dislike.
If a person only sees that it’s a white man criticizing a black man, ignoring the content of his criticism… and immediately blame the “attack” on racism instead of addressing the statement that was made, then that person is just as racist as anyone who burns crosses on lawns, even though that person is black. I have always hated the assumed truth by many minorities that only white people are racists.
To all who fit the description that I’ve just given: Just because you’re a minority, that doesn’t justify your disdain for the majority or vindicate your hatred; you’re still a racist dirtbag.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Our left offensive tackle LED THE LEAGUE in sacks allowed last year. Until Al Davis realizes that offensive line is the most important position on the football field, we will continue to suck.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
I guess that’s why I’m saying MLB is, if not priority 1 this offseason it’s 1a, behind the OL. Whether it’s McClain at 8, hoping Spikes slides to Rd2, or a veteran like Pierce. An upgrade is needed.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Buckeye, I honestly think that Spikes will be better in our system… being a 4-3 guy already, as compared to a 3-4. Plus, I think that we can’t settle for Rd. 2 and lower-level talent on OL/DL when we have #8 overall. I see the trenches as far more important than MLB on the needs list. That’s just MY opinion, but I would rather see the first four picks go to fixing the lines than get McClain at all.
Yes, we have other needs, but fixing the lines would make us a .500 team; getting Dez Bryant or another “playmaker” will add one win per season at most. Playmakers need blockers who give the play some time to develop. I seriously want to scream every time I see someone railing for us to get Dez. I guess some people just don’t know anything about football.
Football games are won and lost in the trenches.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
1- OT: Williams, Davis, or Campbell
2- DT: Lamarr Houston (we should fix the DL before LBs)
2- ILB: B Spikes (trade a 3rd & 5th to move to 2nd)
March 6th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Raider O,
I whole-heartedly support your Draft Proposal. The only thing I would change is maybe trading #8 overall plus one of our 3rd’s (and something else if we have to) to get McCoy or Suh, if possible. If we can’t trade up for them, then OL all the way in the 1st.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Well, we won’t have Justin Fargas to kick around anymore, eh?
Thanks Farg. Once a Raider, always a Raider.
Have to admit I won’t miss him in goal line situations though…
March 6th, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Richochet:
FYI, I was referring to you when I said “Mr. O’Shea” in post 49.
March 6th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Also, I don’t like saying this again because I’ve said it once on the blog already, but here it is: For anyone who has issues with my opinions on dealing with racism, overcoming it, or the factors that show hidden racism where it lurks: I have a master’s in psychology. This isn’t the rambling, disjointed point of view of some backwoods redneck. My views are based entirely on an understanding of human emotion, motivations, and thought-processes. If you don’t like it, that’s YOUR problem. I back up whatever I say about racism with valid reasons for my opinions. What do you have other than, “white people always do (x)” or “white people have always said (x) to me” as your reasoning?
March 6th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Dansby was never in consideration by Oakland. They’ve already got 2 LB’s sort of like him and no way Davis was going to shell out 30 mill for an MLB.
Burgess is avail if FA. So much for the theory ALL former Raiders go on to sucess.
March 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Nnamdi,
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again… I’ll miss 25 in many ways and hope that Bush and DMC can take a page from Fargas’s book in terms of ball security. The bottom line is that 25 just couldn’t get it across the goal-line and therefor he’s expendable. However, in every way except production, he will be missed and I wish him the best of luck with any NFC team unless they end up playing against us.
Godspeed, JF… and thanks for all that you did to help the team, no matter how great or small.
March 6th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Nnamdi,
I might be crazy, but I’d like to see Burgess come back to Oakland. Hear me out: In that scenario, we move Seymour to DT and have Burgess, Shaugnessy, Ellis, and Richardson at DE. We cut Warren, draft a DT in the first 2 rounds, and have Seymour, Bryant, Joseph, TK (shakes head sadly), and the rook to compete for the two starting DT spots. This feels like a GREAT improvement to the DL to me. What do you think?
March 6th, 2010 at 8:15 pm
Lil Huggy, your legacy here will be 1 that is respectable…moving on, we have 7 wks until the draft. I need for us to make some noise in this free agent market other than cutting expendables & resigning backup at bests. Cmon AL, thow us a bone here! We need something to get excited about this offseason! I’m dyin over here!
March 6th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Shutter Island was a waste of time, btw.
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What???????
Scorsese a little over your head? Ten times better than Avatar, imo
March 6th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
That wasn’t any Scorsese I’ve ever seen.
But I know you Corporatist don’t like Avatar, though.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
To each their own I guess.
For what it’s worth the wife didn’t like Shutter much, other than the medical stuff. I thought it was a well-done deep-thinker.
Anyways, Fargas RIP. Wonder if he can “pass a physical” with another team or is going to hang them up altogether.
Knowing Al, Javhid Best is probably on his radar now.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
SteveAlford21 Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Nnamdi,
I said it earlier and I’ll say it again… I’ll miss 25 in many ways and hope that Bush and DMC can take a page from Fargas’s book in terms of ball security. The bottom line is that 25 just couldn’t get it across the goal-line and therefor he’s expendable. However, in every way except production, he will be missed and I wish him the best of luck with any NFC team unless they end up playing against us.
Godspeed, JF… and thanks for all that you did to help the team, no matter how great or small.
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“In everyway except production.”
March 6th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 6th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Shutter Island was a waste of time, btw.
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What???????
Scorsese a little over your head? Ten times better than Avatar, imo
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Scorses misfires now and again and Shutter island is a mess.
Camerons the only one who could’ve made such an anti corporate monopoly movie.
Unfortunately its proceeds line the pockets of the biggest a-h-ole in the world Rupert Murdock who owns News Corp which owns 21st Century fox and a majority of the worlds media.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:21 pm
Guys,
I don’t think we want Antonio Pierce. He was a good player for a long time in this league but in the last few seasons has become an increasing liability in coverage. Teams know this and exploit it. That was before he sustained a serious neck injury last season that has put his career somewhat in doubt. If he were to be signed there’s a fair chance it’d be a Lorenzo Neal type situation and he’d never even make the team out of camp. Again, good player for many years but don’t get your hopes up that he’s going to get signed and make a big impact at this point.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Nmamdi,
Kind of funny the “anti-corporate” movie was one of the biggest “corporate” successes ever.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
The logical answer would be to give Fargas’ 120 carries to Darren and Bush.
But if one were to get hurt, or one would again be as ineffective as McFalldown was last year, we need a back.
I don’t think any of our “three-headed monster” would start anywhere else in the league, and all would struggle to find carries consistantly elsewhere.
If you think you have 3 RB’s, you really don’t have any.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:34 pm
Haven’t seen Avatar yet. Despite the ridiculous success I feel like Cameron’s movies are hit or miss. Some are very good, some are ehh.
However, did catch Terminator 2 on TV recently for the first time in a long time. That was just an awesome, awesome movie. An all-time classic.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Chris,
Based on the reviews and the commercials, I expected to HATE Avatar. I got bored and ended up seeing it, though… and was proven dead wrong. I ended up liking it tremendously, which surprised me, considering that I haven’t really liked any non-terminator work that Cameron has done. I would advise you to at least reserve judgment until you give it a shot.
March 6th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Should we expect a Jahvid Best pick for the second round choice. AD must like the 40 time.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:23 am
Steve Alford, your armchair sociology is entertaining, I’ll give you that much. Just what is your source for your definition of racism, that anyone who assumes an attack is racist must be a racist themselves? There are plenty of terms to describe someone who merely assumes an attack against them is racist. Paranoid, for one. Perhaps even correct, in some instances. One assuming an attack is racist doesn’t prove in any way that one is a racist, or that one is even prejudiced. Guessing makes one a racist? I’m glad civil rights organizations and federal hate crime prosecutors take ideas like yours about a seriously as a prize in a cracker jack box, considering that according to your logic, an attack can only be racist if the attackers are wearing t shirts that say, “we hate black people”. You’re an uneducated jester who tries to use long words to convince people you know what you’re talking about. Most guys do this just to get dates with smart women. Guess you feel some need to do it just to get attention in a sports blog. Whatever makes you feel important.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:33 am
Sorry for being away, actually fell asleep, lol.
RMR, in reply to your question, please take note that I used the qualifier of “first assumption” in there. I’m not trying to sound big or important, it’s a simple fact: if you ALWAYS think that it’s racism and that’s your FIRST thought, then you are indeed harboring a resentment toward other races and feel that you’re being persecuted. If there was no racial bias within you, it wouldn’t be your FIRST thought. You can try to argue against my point all that you want, but what I said is valid.
Note that I said that there are racists out there and attacks are made based on race, but that doesn’t justify your fight thought on every criticism being “it’s because they’re racist.”
March 7th, 2010 at 12:35 am
Meant to say “first thought” in that last sentence… but “fight” is somewhat of an apt parapraxis.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:39 am
I wouldn’t take a RB in the 2nd, we have too many needs on the O and D Lines.
I would take Gerhardt or Blount if they did fall into the 3rd. We need a bruiser and a leader like Gerhardt and Blount is perhaps the most talented RB in the draft. The best value, and he should be available with our second pick in the 3rd is Montario Hardesty. Big, plays quicker than he runs 40s, elusive and can catch. Ourstanding value.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:42 am
Also,
Unlike uneducated fools, Civil Rights Organizations and Federal Hate Crime investigators will actually look at the content of a comment to determine if it’s racially motivated instead of assuming racism first. You may enjoy trying to make others look stupid, but you’re just showing your own ignorance if you actually think that organizations such as the ones you mentioned automatically jump to the conclusion that an incident is racially motivated just because the two parties are of different races. Seriously, next time you point a finger, think about what you’re saying first. In order to have a valid complaint, they have to INVESTIGAGTE… unlike the people to which I refer… the ones who ignore what is actually said and just yell “RACIST!” whenever they don’t like what was said. Nice try, but you fail. Your example supports my case when you actually understand what organizations like that do.
I also loved the strawman argument trying to say that in my definition, they have to be wearing t-shirts saying “I hate blacks” to be racists. You know damned well that that’s not what I was saying… but then again, you can’t logically, reasonably, and accurately deny anything I said, so you have to resort to hyperbole and ridiculous arguments to try to sound like you have a point. Stop exaggerating and try to deny anything that I actually said, not some distorted B.S. that you make up to support your opinion.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:46 am
RMR:
Since you clearly couldn’t understand it or decided to flat-out ignore it and debate something other than what I said, here’s the concise summary of what I said:
People who ignore the content of a criticism and automatically assume that it’s racially motivated EVERY time… are racist themselves.
Good luck trying to find a hole in that.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:56 am
So much for Fargas’ ability to block. Guess that wasn’t enough to keep a roster spot open for him.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:13 am
Example: If Bob criticizes JaMarcus and you immediately call him a racist for doing it without even trying to address what he said, you’re a racist yourself. The ironically hilarious thing about that is that the guys who do that here are usually very quick to bring up “Garbagekowski” and expect to be listened to. So when someone white says “JaBigmac” it’s racist… but a black guy saying “Garbagekowski” is just a good-natured joke. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT.
True, there are people who use negative nicknames about JR when discussing him, but that usually means that they hate how he’s played… not that he’s black. We’re RAIDERS FANS, you retards… do you really think that the color of a player on the roster matters to a Raiders fan, of all people? Maybe you’re forgetting that we’re fans of the most racially progressive sports teams of the color television era. If we hated to see minorities get ahead, we’d hate the Raiders.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:19 am
Just to clarify that point: Do you really think that racists would be fans of the first team of the Modern Era to have a black head coach? … and a hispanic head coach? … and an organization whose FIRST QUARTERBACK EVER was hispanic? This team has a long history of not caring what color you are, as long as you can play the game. Racism and the Raiders (from whites) don’t mix.
Trying to project your insecurities on others to use racism as an excuse for anyone saying something you don’t like is weak and stupid and frankly, is something of which one should be ashamed.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:42 am
Thankyou little huggy for your dedication to the raiders.Your effort wont be forgotten and you are true raider.I hope you get to play for a few more years and show your grit to another team and get more props you deserve it.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:30 am
From Gary Peterson article:
“Or maybe Russell, rumored to have spent part of the offseason at a clinic being treated for lethargy addiction shows up for minicamp weighing 230 sculpted pounds and ready to work twice as hard as anyone else in the building. Sorry, didn’t mean to make you blow coffee out your nose first thing in the morning — just trying to cover all bases.”
Is Russell at a lazy clinic? Are they going to medicate him?
http://www.insidebayarea.com/sports/ci_14526908
March 7th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Cut Warren 2 and Yvonne!~
March 7th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Administering the physical to Fargus was that well known Orthopedist Dr. John Herrera!
Cut JaLoser!
Fire Cable!
March 7th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Cut Warren, Walker, And TK if he doesn’t restructure.
March 7th, 2010 at 7:34 am
Cut ticket prices!
March 7th, 2010 at 7:52 am
Fargas was released to open up a spot for LT. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:03 am
LT said he will only go to contending team with solid qb,..bullchit, Al will make him an offer he cant refuse. Word. Then look for opening night game in SD, the late monday nighter on opening night…look for LT to score twice,..and Chargers win by 21. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Bob…
I’ve snorted five Norco through the night and I’m watching North Dallas Forty at this very moment. Damn, I can’t wait for the season to start… and for us to have some improvement on the lines.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Dude why ya snorting all those pills all night?
March 7th, 2010 at 8:17 am
I love Matuszak in this movie!
“All you coaches are a bunch of (expletives deleted)!”
March 7th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Because I like to get really high and STAY really high.
To each their own. Sadly, 40 milligrams isn’t having as strong an effect these days as it used to. It’s probably time to cycle back to oxycodone again and let my tolerances change.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:19 am
*50 milligrams* is what I meant there… maybe I AM higher than I thought.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:20 am
How do you get your Norcos?
March 7th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Obviously, I’m referring to the amount of hydrocodone when I say 50 milligrams; the amount of acetaminophen is just a nuisance and not worth mentioning.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:21 am
If we trade Asomugha we will select Eric Berry with the 8th pick and play him at CB
March 7th, 2010 at 8:21 am
I get all my pills from the street. Where I live way out in the country, there’s no market for good coke or ecstacy because it’s too far from any major cities… but there’s an unbelievable amount of pain pills and weed.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:22 am
ESPN saying we have interest in signing DT Grady Jackson
March 7th, 2010 at 8:22 am
I get mine from craigslist…buck each. The yellow ones.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:24 am
For most people, a 10mg lortab, vicodin, or norco runs between 8-12 dollars per pill, but I download, convert to dvd, and burn lots of movies and trade two per pill to my newest source… so I’ve got basically a dollar in each pill… but I have been known to pay those prices when in need. Hell, I ended up giving $35 for a perc 30 Thursday night because I was out and my bad knee was killing me. Normally, I laugh at people paying that much, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:26 am
I’ve got the white ones right now. IP 110. I also get the M’s and the Watsons when available, but none of it compares to perc 30, oc 40, perc 60, or oc 80. Those are smaller pills with a LOT more mg of painkiller and a lot LESS acetaminophen… that makes a big difference in the amount of powder you have to snort… and in the damage to the liver from the aceta.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
I just smoke..
March 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
The crazy part is that almost all of these pills on the street are coming from the elderly. They all have medicare and just go to the Dr to get an automatic scrip, then sell the whole bottle for a few hundred bucks, then whoever bought it makes massive profit. A 1-month scrip (90 pills) of regular norco 10mg would bring you 720 bare minimum selling them at the low price per pill here.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
You should scale back bro.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:32 am
408,
I grew up smoking, but when I discovered harder drugs I just left pot behind. I’ll maybe hit a bowl with some friends once a month or have a joint or two here and there if some bud happens to find me, but I never look for any. I’m generally on the trail of bigger game.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Bob, I just realized something scary. I may actually have a legitimate problem if YOU advise me to scale back. I turn 30 in 29 days, so I think I’ll just party my ass off until then… and then cut back once I’m out of my 20s.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Stop Pill Popping!! That crap will kill you.
Smoke Weed!!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:37 am
The problem is that the VA lost my damned medical records, otherwise I’d be getting all this for free. Until they get their stuff straight, I have to come out of my own pocket for it all and it’ll be cheaper doing it this way than paying an orthopedist to do NEW images and scans and evals on my knee. Until I get all that straightened out, I eat enough to kill the pain for a few hours, then snort a few on top of that to get a great buzz as well.
Never let anyone you know join the military… things now aren’t the way they used to be.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Raider O,
I don’t pop pills… I SNORT THEM! LOOPHOLE!!!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:39 am
And FYI, all those articulate and well thought-out posts of mine… I’m always high as a kite when I write every one of them. I don’t know if I’d be able to speak to TJ or force myself to read any of the retarded drivel that he spews if I DIDN’T have drugs.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Ricky Bobby is telling you to scale back pill popping?!
You have a HUGE problem.
Stop! Hey now!
Word!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:41 am
SteveAlford21
I dont Judge bro.. Just sayin ur better of smokin They got really potent Indicas that ud probably like..
March 7th, 2010 at 8:42 am
I really need to clean the house and do the dishes for when Dee gets here… but I really just want to sit here and chill instead. Can we discuss the fact that Fargas should teach DMC and Bush better ball security so I have an excuse to keep zoning out?
March 7th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Fargas’s last official act as a Raider: Ball-security workshop for DMC and Bush!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Have pride in your ability, and I will not say this again, but you sound smarter than the Talking Monkeys in here.
Have faith in yourself and your abilities.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:44 am
408,
When I lived in Va Beach, I got to the point where I was smoking a Quarter a day. After that, I discovered coke and moved on. Now, whenever I smoke, I feel “stupid” for lack of a better term. I don’t enjoy the buzz from it any more… it makes me long for my early 20s.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:45 am
I get high daily, on grass,…and I of course pop Norcos during the day as well,..my total Norco intake for a 24 hour period is 4,..about every six hours.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:46 am
I hot the bong about every hour or so,..one toke.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Hit,
March 7th, 2010 at 8:47 am
I smoke so I can tolerate You People!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Thanks for the sentiment and the compliment, O. Although you could’ve set the bar a bit higher, ya know.
You’re using a group in which TJ is one of the loudest voices as a barometer for intelligence. I’m pretty sure there are rocks out there with enough smarts to top the geometric mean here without the aid of a bellcurve.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:49 am
O,..enough with those talking monkey comments, Old Kell doesnt like racial remarks in here. Hey now.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Lol, Bob. And after staying up all night, the conversation has come full circle to the topic on which I spoke after first arriving here. (The assumption that comments have racial motivation… not monkeys)
March 7th, 2010 at 8:51 am
I didn’t know they allow you to have Bongs in a library. Hey now!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Besides, everyone knows that monkeys aren’t racist. They fling their poo at EVERYONE, regardless of race.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:51 am
SteveAlford21
wow… anyways If you remember Fargas was a fumblesauras in the beginning of his career.. So theres hope. Im more concerned with Bush conditioning and McFaddens lack of heart!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Raider O has a history here of making racial comments,..all the while hes wearing a dress,…he/she is easily the biggest tool in here,..but he/she does like those racial talking monkey comments, to bother old kell I presume.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:53 am
I’m mostly concerned with DMC tackling himself, then stripping the ball from himself on the way down in roughly 15% of his carries. (That percentage was a completely made-up statistic, but I stand by it)
March 7th, 2010 at 8:54 am
I will have a talk with McFaddon,..during pregame drills,..now that Im in row 1 I will have the opportunity. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Bob, I’ll do my best to get out there and join you for a game as long as the invitation stays open. I’ve never tailgated before.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:57 am
LMAO
I like BHP, and I enjoy reading his posts. He knows a lot about football IMHO. He has a lot of passion for the Raiders, if you haven’t noticed.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Youre on Steve,..any game but the Colts,…Iv already sold my row 1 seats to some high roller Manning fan,..sold all 4 for 800 bucks,…will be in the club for that game. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:58 am
O,…priest doesnt give a damn whether you enjoy reading his posts or not. Hey now.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Sweet deal. I doubt that I’ll be able to bring anything of pharmaceutically recreational value on the flight, but I’ll buy once I’m there.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:59 am
How could someone who knows NOTHING about football know if someone “knows alot about football”???
More Raider O mock drafts!
More Raider O mock drafts!
More Raider O mock drafts!
March 7th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Space Monkeys!
Is that better Ricky Bobby?
For the last time you ignorant monkey, it’s called a KILT!
March 7th, 2010 at 9:00 am
TJ’s passion for the Raiders is fueled by his daily lunch with Al Davis and the seminars that TJ teaches to coaches, players, and executives on the staffs of all NFL teams. Period. True story.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:01 am
It never bothers me that you use talking monkeys, it bothers old kell. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Priest is a great “contributor”!
March 7th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Priest is friends with Mike Taylor, thats where he gets his info.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Priest contributes nothing but site hits for the blog to generate Advetising Revenue. He is a waste of carbon and his existence only detracts from the possibility of anything constructive or intelligent being done.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:02 am
My bro brian sure is thrilled Fargas was cut, dude is thrilled,…Im ok with it, seeing how now we can bring in LT to take his spot,..all good. Hey now.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:03 am
So a lot of folks got there wish and Farglass is no longer on the sqaud. I’m sure my boy B is rejoicing somewhere.
I guess this is the year we finally see what we have in the highly anticipated Mike Bush show featuring Darren McFadden.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:03 am
See what happens when we talk about Monkeys.
Remember, Monkeys are pack animals.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:03 am
I met priest about 10 years ago at Rickys,..where JT the Brick was broadcasting his show one day,..JT had a great noon show years ago,..now hes national. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Yeah, Bob …
I know B is doing backflips. My even see a post from him today.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Bob,
Priest said that he has worked with multiple scouts that the Raiders have on staff right now. I asked when, where, and with whom. After avoiding the question a few times, he decided to go with the “I don’t need to prove anything to you” route. He’s more full of s-h-i-t than an organic farm’s fertilizer silo.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:04 am
Bush sucks….DMAC might end up ok, at best,..will never be great, not even close.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:06 am
I actually was the one who texted him the news, he usually just replies, but he was so happy he called,…Fargas is something he and I disagreed on,..I liked Fargas,..he was hardest working mo-fo on the team.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Damn Steve,
That’s a helluva conclusion you came to. Of course I was talking football related stuff. I don’t really care about the fringe topics you guys get in to. Football wise though, I agree with a lot of his points. Not all, but a lot.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:06 am
1- SUH
2- Spikes
3- OT
Or
1- OT: Williams, Davis, or Campbell
2- ILB: Spikes
2- Trade 3rd & 5th to move up and draft DT Lamarr Houston
March 7th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Steve, priest is friends with Mike Taylor, so if you know what that means he does get more info then if he talked to scouts….I used to have a great source on the island, I no longer do. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:08 am
If we put Fargas’s brain and Ball-securing-ability into Bush’s body, would he take up two roster spots or just the one? If it’s only one, I say we owe it to ourselves to at least make an attempt to do it.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Raiders should make a trade, today, for McNabb. Hey now.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Bob,
I still think the jury is out on both Bush and DMAC. I’m not a big Bush fan at all. I mean, I see the kids potential, but I think he needs to be MUCH more physical.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see us pick up a RB in the draft.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:09 am
The 1st Norco I popped 15 minutes ago just kicked in…word.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:09 am
jhill,..Fargas was cut to open spot for LT,..you will see.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Not surprised the LT comment comes right after the Norco kicks in.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:12 am
Jhill,
The conclusion didn’t come from just that one incident, though. In my few short weeks here, he has NEVER validated anything that he says. He has claimed several different high sources, but always does the vague “a GM that you all know of” or “the scouts that I worked with” crap. I always ask when, where, and with whom. He always pulls the same crap and runs off.
I don’t doubt that he might have one inside source, but he tries to portray it as a thousand little tendrils that he has connecting him to the deepest inner workings of multiple franchises. He just lies and exaggerates to try to impress people and it just annoys me. When I see B.S., I call it out. If you make a big statement, but can’t even validate it with something as small as a WHEN you worked with this anonymous person, you may as well admit that you’re lying.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:12 am
jhill you havent been paying attention, I posted the LT comments earlier this morning. All good.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Steve you need to be aware of something regarding both priest and old kell,…late at night they post here drunk,..its real easy to tell when they are drunk,..especially old kell,..gets real mean and nasty.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:14 am
my bad Bob …
NOT happening!
March 7th, 2010 at 9:15 am
I hate mean drunks. I drink whiskey and stay continually happy, especially when pills are also in the equation. I’ve always thought that if you can’t be happy on your intoxicants, you should probably find something else in which to indulge.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:16 am
Alright, I have two 10s left to last til tomorrow at 2pm. I think I’ll snort one now and save the other for an emergency-knee-pain scenario… or a quick boost if I need it later.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Nbob, why would we get McNabb when you say that JRUSS is leading us to the playoffs, per you special powers.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Ya me as well steve,…but old kell, hes a bitter old dude, 60 year old hangin in a blog, drunk at times, and he simply has nothing to ad but same ol same ol,…he probably shouldnt even follow the Raiders, unless he likes to be mad and miserable,…and that is possible I guess. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:18 am
the real question here is what will No More Fargas change his name to ??
March 7th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Thec,
Bob was VERY high when he made that prognostication. You cannot hold him accountable for those ramblings.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:19 am
thec, because the raiders dont have my powers, and they of course have a history of deals like that,…so Im saying it more like go ahead and do it, because thats what you really want anyway,..but I am 100% if russell starts and plays all year we win west, easily,..then with a couple breaks in playoffs, its the superbowl, and we thrash the Pack. Hey now.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Steve,
I just prefer to not get in to all of that. He could be everything you say, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that he makes some good football points, IMO.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:22 am
Okay, to get on topic with some football:
I say that we should sign Burgess again (he’s on the market now), cut Warren, draft a DT in the first three rounds, and move Seymour to DT fulltime. That would make the line situation like this:
DEs: Burgess, Shaugnessy, Ellis, and Richardson
DTs: Seymour, Bryant, Joseph, TK, and a promising rookie
How does that scenario sound to you guys? I think it would be a vast improvement over the current state of affairs, even though it’s a fairly minimal amount of shuffling.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:23 am
That scenario sucks steve, we cant afford to lose Warren. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Steve, I am not trying to get NBob to be accountable, I just like Fuggin wit him, he knows not to take me serious, for that matter I dont beleive NBob takes anyone on this blog serious.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Tommy Trojan who hasnt posted on this blog in a long time had some insight of what was going on.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Why would anyone take anyone serious, on this blog or any blog?…by the way this isnt the only blog I hit, and of all the ones I visit, this one has the biggest idiots in it. Hey now.The fave blog I visit and spend the most time in is a blog about UFO`s. Word.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Thec,
Cool then. I don’t know that you and I have ever addressed each other before, so I don’t know if you kid around or if you’re stone-cold serious. It’s kind of hard to judge intent when there’s text with no tone. Nice to meet you.
P.S. Allegedly, there are Space Monkeys here… so watch out.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Bob, we have to cut either Warren or Kelly. I’d actually be fine with cutting BOTH of them. If you want to axe TK instead of Warren, I can get down with that.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:30 am
Why do we have to cut one of those guys?…we need to keep them both. Hey now.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:30 am
I’m also in favor of trading our #8, one of the 3rd rd picks, and TK or Warren to get the #1 or #2 overall so we can get McCoy or Suh. “Word.”
March 7th, 2010 at 9:32 am
I’m gonna change it to NoMoreDmac,
March 7th, 2010 at 9:33 am
We need to cut one of them (IMO) because I don’t think that Warren isn’t starter-level talent, and TK is vastly overpaid for his ability and production… or rather, the lack thereof. Seymour would better serve us at DT and drafting a good young DT to go along with RS, Joseph, and Bryant would more than compensate for the loss of GW, TK, or both.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:34 am
NoMoreFargas,
I think you should change it to NoLessFargas now.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:35 am
In Post 183, I meant to say that “I don’t think Warren is” or “I think that Warren isn’t,” but somehow I went ahead and accidentally made a double-negative. I shouldn’t have had that sixth…
March 7th, 2010 at 9:35 am
yeah a new face on the roster that will be nice.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:35 am
No to Burgess …
Warren needs to restructure and come off the bench, not be cut.
If Seymour is going to DT, I take Morgan.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:36 am
# NoMoreFargas Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 9:32 am
I’m gonna change it to NoMoreDmac,
————–
How bout NoMoreBigAl
March 7th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Well, do I at least get support on the idea that Seymour will be of far more value to us at DT? Especially considering that we have what I consider to be some pretty damned good DEs on the roster already.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am
There is no DE on the roster that could step in for Seymour if he’s moved.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Jhill,
Why no to Burgess? I was quite sad to see us ship him off… especially to NE… and especially for the horribly low price.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Shaugnessy will start, IMO.
Ellis is a HUGE question mark with those knees.
Richardson is a backup.
Trevor Scott is a LB.
Who am I missing?
March 7th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Jhill,
This might just be wishful thinking on my part, but from the snaps that I’ve seen them play, I think that Richardson and Shaughnessy are on the verge of really breaking out and having starter-level production. Ellis is nearing the end of his career, but can still be a valuable asset. As long as we can get another decent to great DE on the roster to make it an even four… I think Seymour will serve us better as a DT… or at least a roving lineman who keeps switching where he lines up like in the Monday night opener last season.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:41 am
And I do NOT want to move Scott back to DE. I think he should be the permanent Weakside LB. I know that many people think he is only valuable there in obvious passing situations, but I whole-heartedly disagree. People seem to forget that it’s a new position for him. He will adapt and become just as good against the run as well. The kid is a gamer.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:43 am
On the DE question, though… that’s why I was thinking Burgess. I would like to see Shaughnessy starting opposite Burgess/Ellis while Richardson keeps improving. By the end of this season, I think Richardson will be good enough to start… but even if not, there will still be the “let Seymour move around and line up in various spots” option available.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:47 am
I hate living in the mountains of Virginia’s tobacco-farming country again. I miss being 20 minutes from the stadium. I miss having 12Mb/s internet. I miss the Pacific Ocean. I missed the Browns game this season… downloading it now, though. I can’t believe it took me so long to decide to get it… probably because I read the boxscore online after the game and decided not to bother.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:50 am
I just think the Burgess ship has sailed. Injury prone, and most of all he wanted to leave.
I’d love for Richardson to develop into the other starter opposite Shaugnessy. He looked good in spurts last year, I will say that.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:51 am
When the Raiders were winning, they had good offensive tackles. When was the last time we had a good offensive tackle?
March 7th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Those spurts are what are giving me this faith. I’m very cautious against becoming optimistic (the last seven seasons have made me a bit bitter), but all that I saw from our two young ends really have my hopes up… and I truly do think that they’ll both be unquestioned starting-caliber DEs by late this season.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Kirk, I agree that we had good OTs, but I think the bigger factor is that we had GREAT Centers. It didn’t matter whether we wanted to run strongside or weakside, it was a guaranteed 4 yards before contact if we went inside guard. The tackles always to us good yardage on sweeps and pitches, but the really dominant teams we had would just punish the DTs of our opponents. Nevertheless, I would be extremely pleased with a great OT in this draft. First round please, Al.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:58 am
*The tackles always GOT us*
March 7th, 2010 at 10:11 am
So did KoolKell go down and shake a leg with RaiderDogg last night?
March 7th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Kell went to the movies with his wife… or at least that’s what he said.
March 7th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Steve, Its good Bro… I am not so serious or wound up about what goes on in here… Its a good place to talk all things NATION. we also get into some off the wall topics.
March 7th, 2010 at 10:25 am
No talk on the reported rumor in the Trib this morning of Jamarcus attending a clinic for “lethargy addiction”?
Sure it is a rumor but that’s what we do in the blogosphere, run on rumors.
March 7th, 2010 at 10:34 am
BTW, try to google lethargy addiction, treatment of it and/or what causes it, without any ties to drug and alcohol addiction.
You won’t find any.
March 7th, 2010 at 10:35 am
Burgess is a quitter. Good riddance.
March 7th, 2010 at 10:43 am
# Norco Bob Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
You should scale back bro.
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Hold on, am I reading Norco Bob telling others to chill it down? What’s next? Willie Nelson coming in here and telling others to knock off the bong rips?
March 7th, 2010 at 10:58 am
# Norco Bob Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
You should scale back bro.
=========================================
Or maybe wack-o-sheeit will come in here telling others to sign up for anger management classes.
March 7th, 2010 at 10:59 am
# Norco Bob Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
You should scale back bro.
=========================================
Or maybe mistabrOwn will encourage others to take a shower every three weeks or so.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Tebow getting $160 a pop for an autograph, another $75 if you want a pic with him.–pft.com
Good gig, if you can get it, huh…
March 7th, 2010 at 11:24 am
That was some drug education this morning to go along with some inside blogger info. This place sure doesn’t lose its appeal.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Chris Chambers (WR) is available. We should go after him.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Peterson: Raiders’ Cable soap opera shows no signs of ending
http://www.contracostatimes.com/raiders/ci_14526908
March 7th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Willie Anderson (RT) is coming out of retirement and hes 34. Hes still better than Cornell Green I would imagine. We could sign him if we can’t find anybody else.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:32 am
I didn’t know Fargas had disputed this. Could the Raiders just have used that excuse to get rid of him?
Fargas says he’s fine, Raiders say he failed a physical
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 7, 2010 9:57 AM ET
The latest item on the transactions page of the Oakland Raiders’ official web site reads, “RB Justin Fargas released (failed physical).”
But Fargas says he’s healthy. In fact, Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Fargas says he’s healthy enough to play football today.
While Fargas disputes the “failed physical” claim, the Raiders say elsewhere on their web site that they’re sorry to see him go.
“Justin Fargas was a beloved Raider who performed at a high level throughout his seven seasons with the team and his contributions to the Silver and Black will always be remembered,” the Raiders’ statement reads. “We wish Justin all the best.”
March 7th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Shaun Rogers (DT) Cleveland Browns 6′4 350lbs is on the trading block.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:40 am
Norco, Al Davis paying big money for a multi purpose back like LT? Do you see Jon Gruden on our sideline? Not happening.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Aaron Kampman (DE) signed with the Jags.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:45 am
Wow. What an eventful morning. Did Steve Alford just admit he’s a cokehead?
SteveAlford21 Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 8:44 am
408,
When I lived in Va Beach, I got to the point where I was smoking a Quarter a day. After that, I discovered coke and moved on.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:47 am
LT’s not worthless yet. I see NE taking him on the cheap after everyone else declines giving him a big contract. Bet you Belichick gets 1000 yards from scrimmage out of him.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:48 am
RMR,
I admitted that I used to be a cokehead. I moved away from Virginia Beach in 2002 to get out of that environment and kick the habit.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:51 am
You were on coke when you gave that definition of racism last night, Steve, that’s for sure.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:54 am
RMR,
Stop saying things that didn’t happen. I never gave a definition of racism.
I said that when someone hears a negative comment and their FIRST reaction is ALWAYS to say that it was racially motivated, that person is a racist themselves. If someone refuses to address the content of what was said and instead just claims that the comment was racist, then they have a predilection inside themselves that makes them see racism as the first reason to attack/be attacked.
Stop distorting things and trying to make it seem like I said anything other than that.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:58 am
I’ll give you an example:
If I call you stupid and you say, “You just say that because I’m black and you’re a racist” rather than asking “How am I stupid?” or “Why do you say that?” then you are showing that your first instinct was that a negative comment is racially motivated. In truth, you aren’t saying “You just say that because I’m black.” The actual truth of the matter is that you’re saying, “You just say that because YOU’RE WHITE.” If a black man had called you stupid, you’d ask why, wouldn’t you? When a white man does it… you yell racism before even finding out anything else.
If the “you” in that paragraph describes YOU, then you’re a racist.
March 7th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Steve – MR is just baiting you to get a rise out of you and you’re falling hard for it. Relax.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:05 pm
24,
While he may indeed be trolling, I’m still enjoying a pretty good buzz on the painpills, so I don’t mind repeating myself or breaking down simple concepts. Either way, you have a valid point and it would seem that I’m wasting my time. I know RMR well enough to know that he’s not stupid like TJ and that he understands exactly what I said… so he’s clearly just goofing.
On that note, I think I’ll go get something to eat.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
I’ll probably be back in a couple of hours. Have a good afternoon, Raiders fans.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
I don’t know about Real MoronRaider just baiting.
He’s pretty damn slow at times.
He also admits he lies. Admits he makes deals and backs out of them. Admits he buys Raider gear, then claims amnesia.
he’s an attention whore who actually views being slapped on as a magic moment in his day.
That and the fact he admits he spends most of his day playing video games means the ‘voice of reason’, and RMR will never be confused as being one and the same.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Goodbye Justin Fargas — One great Raiders teammate. If his talents were as big as his heart, he’d be a legend. I salute you, Justin — a great fighter, if not a great RB…but, it’s beyond time.
Now, all those carries that should’ve gone to someone else at the time…will!
Barring an add by trade/free agency — like it or not, we’ll need to find another RB during the Draft. DMC is close to being a “bust” already, and we may never see Bush reach his potential. No matter what, somebody needs to push both those guys to excel. This team needs a punishing runner. LaGarrett Blount, anyone?
In the Draft:
Rd 1: LB McClain or OT
Rd 2: OT (or a LB if we take OT first)
Rds 3 & 4: DL and RB (either order, best fit)
Rds 5 & 6: OL/DB/WR (best two available)
Of course, right after the draft, we’ll need to snag a few young QB’s and WR’s as free agents to see if there’s a gem hidden somewhere. There’s always a gem hidden somewhere.
March 7th, 2010 at 12:42 pm
All I see is the Raiders doing NOTHING as yet in free agency. Will they do ANYTHING? This team was 5-11 last year with the arrow pointing down, and they do NOTHING but sign all the players (except Fargas) from last year.
WHAT SENSE DOES THIS MAKE?
What is Al going to do to stop the run? ANYTHING?
March 7th, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Does anyone else think that Al Davis is going senile, or has the onset of Alzheimers and there is NOTHING anyone can do about it?
I believe this is so. If he has mentally lost it (and he has), can the league (or anyone else) do anything to stop this mad man?
I used to love Al Davis, and I get that Al IS the Raiders and all that, but enough is enough. Isn’t it?
Why do we continue to have any hope for an org. that is being led by an 80 ( or is it 81) yrs. old and mentally disabled?
No wonder the fan base is shrinking faster than Al Davis’s scrotum.
Does Al Davis even deserve anybody supporting this uncompetitive franchise, especially when he isn’t even trying to make it better?
March 7th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
Taylor Mays will be our #1 pick at 8 this year mark my words, and he will be converted from safety to lb watch.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Hmm…with Fargas being let go…I wonder if this now opens the door for Tony Gerhardt in the 2nd Round or Dexter McCluster perhaps?
March 7th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Well…there could be a few arguements here…
1. Al Davis thinks his team is good the way it is and all it needed was some better coaches like Hue Jackson and Mike Waufle to improve certain areas.
2. Al Davis is waiting for the market to slow down so he can find decent desperate players willing to join the Raiders that he won’t have to overpay.
3. Al Davis simply doesn’t have the money to spend and may have to make minimal changes to the roster because of it.
4. Al Davis took the billboard to heart and is looking for a G.M. to make these decisions for him. (lol)
Thats pretty much all I’ve got.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:24 pm
(Toby) Gerhart
March 7th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Hard to argue with any of that, DJohnny.
Only thing worse than a stubborn, know it all, self obsessed, full of oneself, don’t dare question me because I believe I walk on water, owner, is an OLD stubborn, know it all, self obsessed, full of oneself, don’t dare question me because I believe I walk on water, owner.
You become more stubborn..more forgetful..more defensive.
Leads to staff retreating even further, knowing he that dares to question very likely incurs the wrath of the self imposed Emperor.
Believing your own teams press clippings, INCLUDING that sorry sad, oft-played self-indulging clip that Al insists is shown on the Raider controlled pre-season games, where it touts Al as the second coming of Lombardi, with all of his accolades of old, gets Al even more determined to NOT step down..believing that not just ONE MORE SUPERBOWL will enhance his stature…but..as he stated…TWO MORE SUPERBOWL TITLES is what’s needed before he steps down…means Al is likely going to keep going until some doctor somewhere declares him incompetent, at the request of his limited partners, along with a whole slew of sick of this BS fans.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
If we can land Gerhart with one of those mid round picks he would be our legit short down back .
March 7th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
What kills me about our offensive line is that we can’t just go signing ANY player because the ideas being used by Cable don’t work for all the players which limits the amount of talent available to us. That is complete BS. I want to go back to a power line. I’m not saying that Tony Pashos is a great player but he’s got to be a better RT than Cornell Green. However, because of our current ideas, he wouldn’t be a good fit and nobody else is a good fit either so we’ll probably stick with a less talented player. Thats crap.
March 7th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
“Does Al Davis even deserve anybody supporting this uncompetitive franchise, especially when he isn’t even trying to make it better?”
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Al may strike out more often than he connects on “big” deals recently, but anyone who says he “isn’t even trying to make it better” has decided that by ignoring the facts.
Sure, he’s thrown money at guys who haven’t done much (if anything) to reward his investments…but, if nothing else, Al Davis continues to chase the dream of winning it ALL…and he chases that dream every year.
Whether all or most of us agree or disagree with his personnel moves doesn’t matter. Al tries…whether or not everybody believes it.
Down with corporate football entities. Up with the renegade that is still Al Davis!
March 7th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Bruce
March 7th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Yes, Vegas? Bruce what?
March 7th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
24
Actually Pasho plays zbs same as Barnes cause both played in Jacksonville, question is, why do u want this guy when Jacksonville clearly got rid of both them anf choose to draft two rookies in their place, doesn’t that show u that they are bad players?
March 7th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Hayes,
Do you still stand by your past comments from the past that YOU would rather lose with Al Davis than win with another owner(s)?
March 7th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
Just making sure you know the name
March 7th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
So is anybody going to sign someone to an offer sheet?
I don’t think there was been even one yet in the whole league has there?
March 7th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Hmm….with Fargas gone now….I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gerhardt be the 2nd Round pick if he is there.
Then the old man may look to trade Bush.
I want LB Sean Weatherspoon to be a Raider!!
He is the type of physical player and leader that Raider defense needs….badly!
March 7th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Al might go Javhid Best in the second and Tebow in the third.
That might make some on here go officially insane.
March 7th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Bruce is probably the starter? Yes, methinks he will be.
Unless Donovan McNabb shows up, that is.
Since it’s Al’s money…just for grins:
Deal for McNabb…add Antonio Bryant and Thomas Jones…find a serviceable O-lineman or two before the Draft…then concentrate on O/D-lines and LB in the Draft.
On this team, McNabb (with at least 2 average-or-better WR’s) = 10-6 right now. With a ground game to keep ‘em honest = 12-4.
I mostly agree with Cable — with average NFL QB play, this team would’ve been 8-8 last year. Given better-than-average play, like from a Donovan McNabb, the Raiders would’ve competed for the weak AFC West.
Will Grads be an average NFL QB? I say yes. Will he be better-than-average? If his quick stint last year showed us anything, it’s that he has potential to be.
JaMarcus? If he beats out Gradkowski (or whomever else outplays Grads this spring), then it will mean he’s finally “getting it.” That wouldn’t be so bad, either.
My money’s on Gradkowski at this point.
March 7th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Hayes,
With QB’s you never know until you play them. Pedigree has little to do with success.
Did you read that article in the IBA papers about the Raiders and the rumor that Jamarcus is at a clinic treating a “lethargy addiction”?
So if your scoring at home, you got one rumor of Jamarcus at a world-class training facility, and one rumor he is at Betty Ford.
I’ll take the consistant hard-worker. No more Jamarcus roller-coaster for me.
March 7th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
RaiderRon Says:
Hayes,
Do you still stand by your past comments from the past that YOU would rather lose with Al Davis than win with another owner(s)?
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Umm, RR — Have I actually used those exact words? Are you trying to bait me into a spat of some sort? I say a lot of things in support of Al Davis, but I don’t recall saying I’d prefer to lose.
But, I will say this…and have a million times: Win OR lose, I will always support Al Davis…unless he shows me he no longer cares, or is no longer trying to win.
Long live Al Davis, the owner AND the GM, if that’s the way he wants it.
Go RAIDERS — the team/players/organization/employees/fans/owner, and anyone else who wants the TEAM to do well.
So there you have it, RR, that’s how I feel.
March 7th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
You said it a while back, pert near exact words, and no not looking for a “spat”. I am just intrigued by people with complete opposite opinions/thoughts as I have. I personally HATE Al Davis and everything he does but I have been a Raider fan all my life. To me Al Davis is an embarrasment to everything Raider and if he REALLY cared he would see he is now a detriment rather than a positive influence on this franchise. He may have done great things for this team in the past but now he has transformed himself and the Raiders into the punchline of the sports world.
March 7th, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Hey Raider Nation, What’s going on.
If these newest rumors are true,and JR could be in some sort of Rehab program, That might actually be a good thing, and explain a lot.
It might explain the crash and burn from the final six starts of ‘08 where Russell actually looked like a promising young QB prospect to what we saw last year.
The guy suffered some losses/tragedy in his personal life. He’s young rich, and thousands of miles from his home. Maybe his drinking was getting out of control.
Brian was on here saying last year, that the word on the street was that Russell was partying hard. Brian would know a lot more about the word on the street in Oakland, than somebody like me sitting in southwest Ohio. It makes sense if you think about it.
If he realizes he has a problem, and is getting help, or being pushed into treatment by the org., then that could be a good thing.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Al just keeps butchering the first round.
That seems to be the biggest issue these days. If he can improve on that, I will take him any day of the week.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Wonderful Hayes..you’ve perfected the fine art of being a spineless lemming.
World needs followers…the mindless that follow blindly along. Do what they’re told. Act like they’re told to act. Never daring to demand better, or to feel they deserve better.
It’s all part of the no backbone look.
You’ll never be confused with anyone who’ll make a difference, or even try to make a difference..that’s a guarantee.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Bob,
You still around?
March 7th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
ESPN is reporting RB Thomas Jones is visiting KC. Not cool. Saw enough of that dude last year in those ugly azz NYJ throwback unies.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Fix the Run D Mr. Davis, Please!
March 7th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
At least we shouldn’t have to see anymore of those damn LT “I’m a little Tea Pot” TD celebrations. I’m not going to miss that guy.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Buckeyeraider – Now that you said that…LT will probably end up as a Chief or Bronco.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
LOL. I hope not 24. I don’t like the prospect of seeing Thomas Jones twice a year in division, either.
I guess I’d like to see LT’s pouting, crybaby butt ride off into the sunset in someplace like Philly, anywhere far, far away from the AFC West.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Wouldn’t surprise me to see Fargas pull a Marcus Allen, and sign within the division. His first game as a Charger, the Crash Test Dummie runs over, through and around Howard and Morrison, and the rest of the sieve like run D for about 150 yds and a TD.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Ahh, RickyLake — Go chase that tail somewhere else. Your lack of football talk — and creativity — makes you too boring to even deal with. Get somebody else to feed your pathological need for attention — there are a number of guys in here who need it as bad as you do.
Ron — “Pert near” what I said doesn’t mean exact. I will NEVER say I want to lose, or accept losing as a good thing. Losing is terrible.
I do, however, accept Al Davis for what he is — good and bad. And, since it’s his money (and not a democracy), I say more power to him. Good on ya for staying with the team, even if you don’t like Al. But, just as you don’t understand how I can support Al as loyally as I do, I wonder how you can hate the guy. To each his own.
March 7th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Wack-O’s here? Oh good. I just took a dump and I need to wipe my ass. Bring your face over here again wack-job.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
So Kahlif Barnes is back for another shot at LT?
Or is he cool with starting at RT and already working on the footwork to play the position?
March 7th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
What happened with Antonio Bryant?
You mean he wasn’t cool with being a #4 WR?
March 7th, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Khalif Barnes might not make the final roster if he gets hurt in camp again this year.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Antonio Bryant a #4 in Oakland?? LMFAO! Classic
March 7th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
So with Routt starting at corner next year, we won’t go CB at 8
Ricky Brown, Howard, and Scott are our LBs, so cross LB off the list.
Khalif Barnes was just given another shot at the title so OT is out.
Bush and DMAC = no RB
Grads = no QB
Huff, Branch, and Mitchell = no S
Warren is still on the team, so I dunno about a DT yet.
Hmmmmm ……….
March 7th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
I’m really interested to know who you think Tom Davis would bench to play Bryant?
Chaz?
DHB?
Murphy?
March 7th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
If he gets hurt in camp again?
I think you could say that about a few people on the roster.
But let’s say he’s healthy, what are Cable’s intentions for him?
March 7th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Take your pick. Antonio Bryant is twice as good as ANY of those guys. If you think Antonio Bryant would come here and NOT be the number 1 then you are more ignorant than even I thought.
Your LB take is laughable.
Your RB take is just flat stupid. Bush+DMC= one of the worst RB duos in NFL. RB is a MAJOR need.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
JHill,
I wouldn’t read too much into it. I don’t think it precludes them from going OT at eight, if that’s what you’re worried about. I said last night, I think he could be there for camp competition and depth. I don’t see him unseating Mario at LT. Maybe replacing Green at Rt, if he agreed to the switch.
I know his play on the field slipped in his last season in Jax, to go along with his off field problem. However, prior to that, I believe the guy was supposed to be a solid starter in the league.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
We can only hope Hue Jackson can get DHB to become successful.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RaiderRon – JHill is being sarcastic. He’s referring to things in the eyes of Al Davis.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
The NFL Draft is only on ESPN and NFL Network right?
March 7th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
Ronda,
As usual, you are losing sight of the obvious.
So your take is Cable and Al have given up on Chaz and DHB, and they don’t like Murphy? THAT is what is hilarious!
Give us your take on who the starting LBs will be? Tell us how you interpret the 2nd rd tenders given to Brown and Howard, lol?
Bush and DMAC may be what you say, lol, but, uhhhh, they are going to both be featured my Tom Davis. Tell me they are not.
You have about as much of a grip on this team as I thought you did if you are going to tell me THEY have RB as a need.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Fargas will visit the Chiefs
Posted by Mike Florio on March 7, 2010 7:17 PM ET
Running back Justin Fargas, who was cut by the Raiders for supposedly failing a physical but who claims he didn’t, could be getting a chance to take another physical soon.
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that Fargas will be visiting the Chiefs.
“I was told by [Raiders coach Tom Cable] that they were moving in a different direction,” Fargas told White. “They said it was strictly about money. . . . I know some things were put out there, I guess they said I didn’t ass [unfortunate typo not narrowly averted] a physical. I’m a little disappointed by the way it happened but I understand it’s a business.”
He told White that he won’t be retiring, and while he says he won’t return to the Raiders his agent has been in touch with the 49ers.
And if Fargas is willing to move north, his former college coach could be interested, too.
As to the notion that it was “strictly about money,” Fargas was due to earn a base salary of only $755,000 in 2010. But he also was owed a roster bonus of $1.7 million.
Per NFLPA records, Fargas was under contract with the Raiders through 2014, with a base salary maxing out at $1.775 million in the final year.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
JHill,
What do you make of Vegas’ claim that the “Lethargy” Clinic JR might be attending in AZ is some sort of Rehab facility? Might that explain the dramatic dropoff in Russell’s play from the end of ‘08 till last years crash and burn? There were rumors that the guy was partying pretty hard. Sleeping in, being late to meetings. Kinda makes sense IMO. What do you think?
March 7th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Buckeye,
Tom Cable likes Khalif Barnes, for whatever reason. He is going to get the same chance to fall on his face that Kwame Harris did, lol.
Now let’s keep it real here. Mario Henderson should not be handed the starting LT spot the same way Russell shouldn’t be handed the QB spot. Mario said he was basically told the job was his last year regardless. You would think/hope that he has to earn the job. HE may end up being the RT.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Of course the release of Fargas was about money…they gave Fargas’ money to guys like Stanford Routt and Ricky Brown.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit to find out that guy is/was in Rehab.
March 7th, 2010 at 4:57 pm
WR- IF they signed Antonio Bryant that would be a sure sign they werent exactly enamored with the current group. Yes or NO????
LB- If Morrison is still around hes the MLB. Period. Ricky Brown is a fringe NFL player. If he was cut by this “team” he would be bagging groceries at the local Cash and Carry.
RB- Yeah, cuz they have shown they are REALLY into featuring Bush and DMC the last 2 years. Not to mention how productive they both have proven to be. The number 1 RB in 2010 is not on the roster at this moment.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
I think the Raiders had to let go of Fargas in order to keep themselves from putting him in because they just couldn’t help themselves. Now they can’t be tempted any longer.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Exactly 24
I’m glad he’s been taken away from Cable. Maybe Hue Jacksons input.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
http://www.themeadows.org/about.html
This could be where Jamarcus Russell is right now.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
Wow…sounds like Al Davis and his cronies (Herrera and Cable) have ended up treating a hard worker and locker room leader in Fargas like CRAP!
Hmm…treat a good guy like Fargas like crap….but continue to give a lazy ass guy like Juggs Russell the money he is making?
Oy vey….more weird bizarre stupid moves to come….wait until draft day! LOL
March 7th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
KoolKell – If Hue Jackson is the reason Fargas is gone and thats the likely case, then its a good sign that he recognizes some of the other offensive issues this team has had. He recognizes that Fargas shouldn’t be a feature back and the Bush should at least be in competition to be the feature back as its very possible the Raiders could find another starter in free agency or the draft.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
DKnight007 – Al Davis doesn’t seem to care much about treating people nicely. He let Willie Brown walk out of the Raiders HQ without giving him a proper exit. Brown had to tell the reporters that he retired.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
JHill,
I’m all for camp competition. I don’t want any body handed anything. A player fighting for his job is a motivated football player. I’ve been as big a JR supporter as there is on this blog.(This side of Priest).I’ve probably strayed into hyperbole. I compared his raw physical skills to a young John Elway, and his cooler-than-the-other- side-of-the pillow” demeanor to Kenny Stabler. LOL.
However, when somebody on here advocated cutting/not resigning Grads, I said no way. That would demoralize the team, it’s remaining fan base, and send the wrong message to Jamarcus as well.
I called for resigning Grads, and having a fair and open competition. Make him earn it. That goes for the QB, all the way down the roster.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
I would think Javon Walker would start under Hue Jackson’s watch because he needs a veteran that can learn the playbook and provide some stability immediately.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Al Davis stuck by Justin Fargas way too long and Fargas pays Al Davis back by visiting with the Chiefs. The 1st sign of disrespect.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 4:52 pm
JHill,
What do you make of Vegas’ claim that the “Lethargy” Clinic JR might be attending in AZ is some sort of Rehab facility?
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This wasn’t my claim, it was reported in the papers today as a rumor. I feel that it had to be a pretty solid source that told the writer to put it in print.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
# 24 Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Al Davis stuck by Justin Fargas way too long and Fargas pays Al Davis back by visiting with the Chiefs. The 1st sign of disrespect.
^^^^^^^^^
That’s what happens when the break up ends badly and Al Davis and his cronies may have possibly LIED about him not being able to play football anymore and supposedly failing a physical.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
March 7th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
If he gets hurt in camp again?
I think you could say that about a few people on the roster.
But let’s say he’s healthy, what are Cable’s intentions for him?
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I can’t imagine that he is, right now, in any type of thinking of being a starter.
Mario is at LT, Barnes isn’t taking that for him. And he flopped at RT, so you can’t think that he is penciled in to start there either.
Depth, and of course if he knocks it out of the park in camp, COULD BE the RT.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
OK …
So you didn’t answer the question of if you thought Tom Davis was done with Chaz, Murphy, and DHB, lol. Did they sign Bryant? You mean he flew to Oakland, was told he’d be the #1 guy, and he told them I’ll get back to you? LMFAO!
IF Morrison is still around? Why would he still be around? You think he signs the one year tender?
And again, just looking for a simple yes or no. Will Bush and DMAC be the #1 and 2 guys next year?
March 7th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Carr agrees to terms with 49ers
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 7, 2010 8:19 PM ET
Alex Smith has a new backup quarterback to worry about in San Francisco.
David Carr agreed to terms with the 49ers, according to Ralph Vacchiano of the New York Daily News. The deal was first mentioned by Carr’s former teammate Kevin Boss, who tweeted the news. (What is it about Carr-related tweets making news?)
Carr’s arrival doesn’t bode well for Shaun Hill, who lost his starting job to Smith during last season. Hill is due $1.5 million in 2010, and is hardly a lock to keep his roster spot.
The chance to get back on the field was paramount in Carr’s search. The 49ers are committed to Smith as a starter, but Carr knows better than anyone a number one overall pick at quarterback has to win eventually or lose his gig.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Vegas,
One bad play does not equal a flop at the position, lol.
Why do you think he is not being considered as a starter?
He certainly was given the opportunity last year and was really Cable’s intention to have him play RT. Mario not impressive to say the least last year, and RT is clearly open.
And let’s not forget about Cable’s other boy Erik Pears, lol.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I’m hoping Bush is the featured back…
I’m hoping Cable is over his hurt feelings and let’s him play…
And I’m hoping Bush comes in ready to play…
Fargas being gone just might be the inspiration he needs…
I think this is a contract year for Bush…
if he ever wants to see a big payday… he needs to really come and play…
March 7th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
How is it a sign of disrespect for Fargas to go try out with KC?
it’s a business…it’s not like Fargas turned down a great offer from the Raiders to seek out KC.
He was released two days before he was due 1.5 million.
You think he cares what team signs his check?
March 7th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Did he start another game after the Jets game? Not that I remember, nor do I even really remember him on the field much after that.
He is going to have to have a good camp to make the roster, IMO, and a great camp to see the field week 1 (barring injuries of course)
March 7th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Richochet – I’m just talking sh!t. As a player, you gotta go where the money and the opportunity is. If the Chiefs were the only interested team, he would obviously choose them. When you become a free agent, a division rivalry goes out the window.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
I don’t think anybody should be upset about the Raiders re-signing Khalif Barnes. The fact is…a lot of players will be added for competition during the training camps and Barnes is just getting another opportunity to make the squad. He got hurt last year and never really got a fair chance because of that so he probably got a 2nd chance to prove that he can become a starter while healthy. He could very well be cut during roster cuts. We’ve seen this happen many times.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
I don’t see it as disrespect, this is after all his occupation.
If he were an elite or very good RB, with tread left on the tires, and he sought out the biggest rival, that would be a little different.
Like Marcus.
Although, Al had that coming.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Cornbread came back, Vegas.
I dunno. I just don’t think he’s so quick to resign here to just be a backup. I think he at least hangs around in FA a minute to try and catch on somewhere else, don’t you? Wait at least a week to get the “Hell NO’s” built up before he crawls back here for depth?
March 7th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
What’s up F. Pete?
How did you think Jasper Brinkley did this year?
I think you were right about him.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
One bad play does not equal a flop at the position, lol.
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I really don’t blame him that much for that play, as bad as it was.
I put that one on Cable. You have a brand new RT, who has never played there before, a struggling QB, deep in your own territory against a high-pressure elite D.
And what’s the very first play-call?? “4 verticals”
LMFAO!!!!
March 7th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Post #304
You know that makes sense, it sure was quick on the trigger to come back.
But who knows, maybe his agent made the rounds and told him this about the best he is going to do, money-wise.
With the same staff in place, it wouldn’t seem he has the inside track for a starting gig. A full camp will definately do his some favors though.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:52 pm
Sweep The Leg. Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
What’s up F. Pete?
How did you think Jasper Brinkley did this year?
I think you were right about him.
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i saw maybe 4 games where he started…
he sucked in the div conf game…
but he looked really good in all the others…
he almost plays with too much discipline…
but he would have looked really good in SnB…
March 7th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
For Barnes maybe it’s as simple as just having an
opportunity here,
not seeing a payday elsewhere, familiarity, and not
having to uproot again.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Idiothill,
You claimed Bryant would be number 4, not me. IF he were to sign it would be as the number 1 WR. End of that story.
Morrison will be back. No doubt about it. But lets for arguments sake say he didnt come back, Ricky Brown still wouldnt start.
And NO. Bush and DMAC wont be 1 and 2 come September.
March 7th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Brinkley looked like a rookie for sure.
For where he was drafted though he looked like a player to me.
I was reading yesterday that one of the sleepers in this draft was the MLB from Kentucky.
Pat Kirwan from Nfl.com said he was over rated.
Who knows?
March 7th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
I agree that it’s as simple as him having an opportunity here. He’ll get an opportunity to be one of our starting OTs next year.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
Sorry don’t think this guy is much of a #1 WR much anywhere
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March 7th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
You still here? I thought you went to bed!
I know you’re pretty slow, but what I said was Bryant must not have like the offer of the #4 job which is why he hasn’t signed. OBVIOUSLY, if he was offered the #1 job, he would have signed. What part of that do you need dumbed down for you?
Morrison will be back? Why because he’s you’re favorite player left on the team now that Fargas had been cut?
You do know Ricky Brown was one of our starting LBs last year, right?
So who’s going to be start at RB for us next year? Are we resigning Fargas?
March 7th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
j/k that’s obvioulsy photo-shopped.
Bryant is a colossal azz-hole, and always a candidate to get suspended for some off-the-field shaningans.
I’ll pass.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Maybe we need a bad boy at WR because the current ones aren’t tough enough to catch passes.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Vegas,
I wasn’t trying to imply that you were making things up, or starting rumors. I read it in the same Peterson article you did, probably.
It’s just you were the first to mention it on here, I think. Something about googling “Lethargy clinic”, whatever that is, and it coming back as Alcohol/drug rehab, or something along those lines.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Buckeye,
I got you. I tried to figure out what a “lethargy addiction” was, and it all pointed to someone who was either coming down from or currently involved with some type of alcohol/drug dependency.
I guess that doesn’t mean that was the case, maybe someone can have a thyroid issue or something or maybe depression.
Who knows. If so, for Jamarcus’ sake, I hope he got the help he needs.
March 7th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
buckeyeraider Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
LOL. I hope not 24. I don’t like the prospect of seeing Thomas Jones twice a year in division, either.
I guess I’d like to see LT’s pouting, crybaby butt ride off into the sunset in someplace like Philly, anywhere far, far away from the AFC West
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Dude, I pray the Chiefs sign Jones to a multi year 20+ million dollar deal cuz that olde fugger will be NOTHING without that all pro Jets line.
Lamont Jordan could’ve run behind that line and gotten 2,000 yds.
Cheifs may go O line in the draft and Branden Albert may or may not be good. I think he was one of the most over hyped guys in that draft class.’
Guard Bryan Waters is all pro caliber, but lets not forget he was disgruntled as he-ll before the season start and not exactly a fan of the coach.
Still, with the Raiders inability to score and our D’s design and penchant for giving up the long run I can see your cause for concern.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 7th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Post #304
You know that makes sense, it sure was quick on the trigger to come back.
But who knows, maybe his agent made the rounds and told him this about the best he is going to do, money-wise.
With the same staff in place, it wouldn’t seem he has the inside track for a starting gig. A full camp will definately do his some favors though.
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With our crap O line, yeah, he likely does have a better shot at a starting gig here than most other places.
Hope we draft T with the 8th.
Barnes had a few serious run ins with the law and some racial slurs I believe that left him on the outs with Jacksonville after a promising start.
Hope he’s ready to get serious again we need it.
Fix the O line please.
March 7th, 2010 at 9:51 pm
I will miss Fargas alot, he truly gave his all on every play. We will miss ya Justin!