Raiders acknowledge Wimbley acquisition
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, March 14th, 2010 at 5:21 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders announced the signing of the Kamerion Wimbley trade on their Web site Sunday without giving the compensation.
Beat writer Steve Corkran is reporting the Raiders sent the Browns a third-round draft pick obtained in the Derrick Burgess trade with New England. It’s worth noting the Raiders could get a third-round pick if Kirk Morrison signs an offer sheet with another team.
Wimbley’s agent, reached by e-mail, said, “Kamerion is very accepting of the Browns decision and he is looking forward to working with coach Cable. There were no hard feelings and he wishes the Browns the best.”
The Raiders company line on the Wimbley trade is they’ve got a fourth first-round draft pick on their defensive unit, joining Nnamdi Asomugha, Richard Seymour and Michael Huff.
The downside is the mission statement of the 2010 Raiders defense is to stop the run, and Wimbley comes from a Cleveland defense that finished just one spot ahead of Oakland in rushing defense (28th). The Browns gave up 4.6 yards per carry to Oakland’s 4.5.
Wimbley is due to make $1,065,000 this season, and Adam Caplan of Scout.com, the first to break the story, reports the contract voids after this season but says “there’s an up to $7.765 million buyback for 2011 based on statistical achievement from previous seasons.”
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March 14th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
yea, first…
March 14th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
WORTH THE RISK!!
March 14th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
Trevor Scott will be one of the starting LBs next year. You can take that to the bank. He took Thomas Howard’s position already, and Wimbley is not here to take his spot. Heck, Thomas Howard AND Morrison might both be gone.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
why do i have a feeling morrison goes to the browns and thats the 3rd round pick lmao
March 14th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Whatever the case is with Scott & Wimbley you can be sure of 1 thing.
Al has told Marshall who is playing where..
March 14th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
I swear I was about to post that same thing 619. Either Morrison or Howard to the Browns, right?
LMFAO!
March 14th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Like I’ve said, Raiders have a decent track record with DE’s last few seasons.
Quinn sucks, but worth the risk for Denver.
Theres a reason “the most NFL ready QB” slid down the boards on draft day.
I see alot of the same smirk from Matt Cassel.
Look forward to mangling Brady and the Broncos.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Whatever the case is with Scott & Wimbley you can be sure of 1 thing.
Al has told Marshall who is playing where..
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LOL!
Yeah, I’m sure Al has a “suggestion” or 2 for Marshall.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
check out his stats right here!!
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3685
March 14th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
No problem with Morrison staying as long as he’s NOT MLB.
Whether he cooose to remember or not, he HAS played SLB with us.
Needs to go back to it and we need a REAL MLB
March 14th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Then again, Cleveland traded it’s DT too, right?
Maybe it’s a Tommy Kelly and Thomas Howard package deal!
March 14th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
March 14th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
Oaklands had success finding DE’s the last few years.
Burgess was a disappointment in Philly.
Chris Clemmons racked up sacks here.
Shaughnessy’s showing signs.
Got production out of Ellis.
Wimbley might contribute too.
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yeah you’re right, but it really doesnt matter when sacks isnt what we should care about, we need to stop the run, if we acquired the leagues best run-stopper, then it would be great…
March 14th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Freakin’ A ladies and gentleman. with the acquisition of Wimbley the D will now rank in the top 5 and a championship is just around the corner. Yay.
other than that…Raider On.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
So, I have some bad news. My band broke up. The good news is I am in a new band called Liquid Blue. I’m the guy in the hat. I feel really lucky to have this opportunity. This band is going to blow up soon:
http://www.lo-cal.com/bands/liquidblue/
March 14th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Charged up, why are you here?
March 14th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Madden 2010 Rankings:
Kirk Morrison – 87 Overall
Thomas Howard – 85 Overall
Kamerion Wimbley – 78 Overall
March 14th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Charged Down, the band looks pretty sweet! Definitely a huge career step forward for you from FingerForce 5.
Obviously, it’ll be no problem now for you to book gigs at your high school. Those hot sluts will give all your pre pubescent friends plenty to fantasize about during gym class.
Maybe I’ll consider letting you guys play my next Reggae Party Cruise, but that would obviously depend on whether your mom is free to drive you to Marina Del Rey.
March 14th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
If I were you charged up, I wouldn’t tell ppl that because you’re the most retarded lookin f***er on that page.lmfao I bet Mr gets more p****y than you if thats how you look… and mr gets none.hahaha And what a corny hat.lol
March 14th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
If Old Man Al could only acquire Vernon Gholston from the Jets we would have the “best looking team getting off the bus with the least football skills” roster in the league. Once again Al proves that he cares nothing about actual production/football players and is obsessed with physical specimens. This franchise is doomed unitl Al is six feet under.
March 14th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
We gave up our late 3 round pick , hell yeahhhhhhhhhh
March 14th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
Where did you get that information from?
March 14th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14675132?nclick_check=1
March 14th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Thanks!
March 14th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
No problem bro, i feel alot better about this trade now
March 14th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
Me too!
March 14th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Jerry, $1,065,000 million equals $1.065 trillion
March 14th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Ok, now that you guys feel good about the trade, where is he playing?
March 14th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Jahvid Best wants to be a Raider!!
March 14th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Off-Season Workout Program
The Oakland Raiders off-season work-out program begins March 15th as the team convenes for strength and endurance training at the Raiders Alameda, Calif., facility.
March 14th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
Outside, Jhill!
March 14th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
I think he will play DE
March 14th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Going to be interesting to see who shows up tomorrow.
Will any of our RFAs be there?
Will Wimbley show up?
March 14th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Outside where ray?
March 14th, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Best is a Raider 4 life!
March 14th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Remember, in his first 2 games against the S+B, he got 2 sacks in each game. Both were in Oakland and AL Davis remembers that kind of stuff…
March 14th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
Somewhere around where Ellis played!
March 14th, 2010 at 6:38 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FirUUcMWY2w
March 14th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
It has been years since Al Davis has shown in any way that he truly wants to win a Super Bowl.
JaMarcus Russell is not as bad as his critics think he is. Since the Gruden/Gannon team fell apart, every QB we’ve had has either struggled or been prone to injury. This means that the playcalling and the offensive line are as much to blame for our poor passing offense as anything.
March 14th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Wimbley is a LB and yet you guys are wondering where he is playing..
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
March 14th, 2010 at 6:52 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28MoXRcRrOw
Video of Wimbley in an interview setting.
March 14th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
I’m ok with the Wimbley trade. The guy is bigger and most of all, hes different. I want to see new guys on this team competing. I don’t know what he’ll become here but I like Marshall and what hes done so far so maybe this is a guy he feels fits what hes trying to do, I have no idea. All I know is, I’m definitely eager to see what this guy can do with the Raiders.
March 14th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Could it be possible that the Raiders might be switching to a 3-4 defense?
March 14th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
It should be interesting to see what Quinn becomes under a better offensive system and a pro QB Head Coach. I would think this would benefit Quinn’s career. Unfortunately, he is now my enemy. =*/
March 14th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
We don’t have a nose tackle for the 3-4 unless we plan on drafting one of the big guys.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Javid Best wants to be in Silver and Black!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FirUUcMWY2w
March 14th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
I think LaDainian Tomlinson will get at least 1200 yards with the Jets with a 4.5 average and 12 TD’s.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Interesting Tweet by lil Adam, regarding Wimbley.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
Said all afc north head coaches texted him saying how happy they were that Wimbley was out of the afc north,…on a sad note, I havent gotten a DM from Adam in like 3 weeks.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
He’s been a busy guy the last few weeks, Bob!
March 14th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
Yeah, I guess your right MB.
Wimbley is a LB and we only Scott under contract for next year. Morrison says he has some things set up with another team, and maybe Howard wont be back either.
Or maybe Scott is our new MLB and Wimbley and Howard are the OLBs.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
My guess is Wimbley will play Strong Outside Linebacker? I noticed Marshall was blitzing a lot more than other Defensive Coordinators from years past so I’m thinking he got more ammunition with Scott on the Right and now Wimbley on the left. Now we just need a stout MLB in the middle and a nose tackle and we’re much more talented.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Thats no excuse,…I was getitng one about every two days,..now nothing.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Scott won’t be a Middle Linebacker with his blitzing skills. He’s too valuable getting pressure and sacks from the outside.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Jhill
Scott won’t be our MLB, he lacks the speed needed to run side to side. Its gonna be SLB Wimbley WLB Scott. I think Howard and Morrison are done, I think both will get traded, Morrison might go to the Colts where he will be a perfect right there.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Yeah, that makes sense 4eve.
If we end up with extra picks courtesy of Morrison and Howard, that would be sweet.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Wimbley’s a sissy. That’s why he’s here. What, did Al Davis have to win some high stakes showdown to bring him here? Answer: No.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:44 pm
Hi MR ol buddy,..lol..I had a feeling you wouldnt like this move,..(by the way theres one other I know will pee on it too)…
March 14th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
I think the relationship you and old kell share is that old cliche,..misery loves company.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
For the record, I never heard of Wimbley until about 2 hours ago. Print that kids.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:50 pm
Spring training was cool,..however,…our poor A`s,..even in Cactus League, as in the majors,..we have the worst ball parks.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
However with the Raiders, In now never want a new house,..now that Im in row 1, at 61 per, I bet a new house row 1 would be like 90 bucks,..so heres to hoping we never get a new stadium.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
Man stop trying to slve eevrything with one move. It is what it is. OTA’s are just aaround the corner and strength and conditioning is starting tomorrow.
I think it’s very simple Wimbly is either a guy they want to use off the edge or at SLB which i don’t agree with. But Scott is settled at his position we know what he’ll be doing and Wimbly gives us another guy with that kind of ability. One of the things trhat always frustrated me about Howard and Kirk is their inability to close on the blitz. Scott has proven he has that ability and hopefully so deos Wimbley. No matter how many times you blitzed Howard he never seem to get there. Same with Morrison which discourages a coach from trying it.
Mitchell seems to have a knack for getting there. We need more players who have that ability. It’s easy to say we should blitz more but if the guy’s we’re blitzing suck at it, why do it?
I would love to see one more edge rusher a real demon off the edge. Matt S is going to be a star but we need a guy coming off the open end. To really be effective. Im hoping if we don’t get the OT in the 1st rnd that we do get the edge rusher MLB can wait much later as far as I’m concerned. Iwas watching Charles Brown and T Williams at OT lately I like both players especially Williams but I’m telling you CB from SC is a player.
Jimmy Clausen is a bust waiting to happen, While Bradford could be a real star.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Wimbley was born a female.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
Oh Lord MR,..that for real?…gross.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:57 pm
The average 12 year old pop warner football linebacker has a better grasp of building a defense in the NFL today than Al Davis does.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Priest, thats too much for me to read, but I will assume you are saying Wimbley is a future hall of famer,..anyway I will give you a shout out on Garys show tomorrow,..I am calling about the games in San Jose,…march madness,..we got crappy games man,.major disappointment.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
Wimbley just signed to the Oakland Raiders on the cheap. It’s not because he’s a future hall of famer.
March 14th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Geez I go a week with no Al Davis talk,..I pop in here,..and MR is still agrivated about him,…hang in there baby.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Tell you what MR,..next season, when Im in row 1,..once a game, for you, I will turn over my right shoulder and lob my middle finger to box 43,..cool?
March 14th, 2010 at 8:00 pm
Saying Wimbley is a future hall of fame when he just signed to the Raiders is like saying the guy at the bar who gets rejected by every girl and winds up with the fat chick might be the next Hugh Hefner.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
Right on, man. Thanks.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Wayne Valley has a sharper football mind than Al Davis…even still, today.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Unsure he can see that far,..but someone up there will tell him a fan is saluting him. Word.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:04 pm
There’s things Al Davis is more suited for today than running an NFL football team, like checkers, and watching wheel of fortune.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Dang,..whos that?…shall I google him?
March 14th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
You take any 73 year old demented bat from any nursing home in 2003 and give him an NFL football team, and he loses 11 or more games 7 years straight. Maybe he does better.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
We gave up one of our thirds for this wimbley. WTF…
March 14th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Belichet is done, now its holograms turn…
March 14th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
I have a trade chart and it says for Al Davis we can get a beta VCR.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Can anyone on this blog make since of this trade?
Please humor me, give me anything…
March 14th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
With Hologram running he browns what are the odds they finish ahead of the raiders?
March 14th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
What do you mean Belichick’s done? Done shining Al Davis on and telling him they’re buddies, so that Al will give him draft picks for has beens? Not hardly.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Dang,…should I have heard of Wimbley before this afternoon? Im slippin.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
Al made this trade to keep our rushing yards allowed on defense below 200/game.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
If wimbley can play in the nfl, I would take that then what davis would take in the 3rd round…so there. Good move.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Gotta run,..by the way,..they still serve ya beer in your seats in Arizona,…cant beat that!…g`night!
March 14th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Belichet’s turn is over. this year its the hologram show. We just got took for a third….Yet another bad move. this guy plays in a 3-4. are we switching?
March 14th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
So, now Holmgren is calling Al Davis up, shining him on, telling him how good of buddies they are and how they go way back, so that Al will give up draft picks for bums like Wimbley? Makes sense.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Going to spring training = dork
March 14th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Remember that episode of the Sopranos when Tony nails the Russian girl with one leg? Her husband was at spring training when it happened, according to the storyline.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:25 pm
I am laughing, at the ineptitude of the org. We could have used that third to move up and get a real fotball player. we take clevelands garbage…WTF…
LTR Nation
March 14th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Whimply???????????????
March 14th, 2010 at 8:32 pm
I was reading a cleveland blog and they werent sounding too happy about losing him. I understand this trade seeing as we lost Alston to tampon bay.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:39 pm
Wimbley will probably be better and more productive than one of the 3rd rounders the old man would have drafted anyway.
Ryan used him wrong last season as more of a rover and read and react guy instead of a disruptive pass rusher wish is his strength. Wimbley played with his hand down as a pass rushing DE who at times stood up and rushed the passer much like how T Scott is being used now.
I wonder if Marshall plans on using him as a down pass rushing RDE, or as a stand up hybrid to be used like Scott are they going to try him as the MIKE to replace Morrison? Or will there be more 3-4 looks?
Regardless I think Wimbley is worth one of the two 3rd rounders…..since the old man would most likely have reached anyway with one of those picks and make a John Bowie type of waste pick.
If they they get a 3rd rounder for Morrison (which seems certainly possible now IMO) then they will get a 3rd back anyway.
March 14th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 14th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
Going to spring training = dork
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Yeah…going to spring training is a waste of time IMO.
Unless of course you live in that area of the dessert where there is nothing else to do! LOL
March 14th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
We really needed that 3rd round pick for linemen. We need another OLB like we need well wait a minute… We need a lot of schit just not an OLB. We have Morrison, Howard, Scott, Brown and Sulak. If Morrison gets picked up worry about another OLB then.
AD gets off on picking up failed 1st round pick of other teams. Why doesn’t he understand we already have enough of our own failed 1st rounders. WE DON’T NEED ANY MORE!
Draft a DT, MLB and O-linemen. Period!
March 14th, 2010 at 10:19 pm
We cut Sulak long time ago! I think you mean Norris.
The Raiders have K wimbley listed as a LB.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
# JB Says:
March 14th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
We really needed that 3rd round pick for linemen. We need another OLB like we need well wait a minute… We need a lot of schit just not an OLB. We have Morrison, Howard, Scott, Brown and Sulak. If Morrison gets picked up worry about another OLB then.
AD gets off on picking up failed 1st round pick of other teams. Why doesn’t he understand we already have enough of our own failed 1st rounders. WE DON’T NEED ANY MORE!
Draft a DT, MLB and O-linemen. Period!
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Your assuming the old man would have drafted a OT with one of those two 3rd rounders.
For all we know he would have drafted a KR and a CB. haha
I would like to see the 4th round pick be on KR/CB Javier Arenas. Getting Arenas in Round 4 would be good value.
I think the old man is expecting to get that 3rd rounder back when Morrison gets a contract offer from another team.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Kelly,
“whimpley”. ha ha
March 14th, 2010 at 10:47 pm
“The Raiders company line on the Wimbley trade is they’ve got a fourth first-round draft pick on their defensive unit, joining Nnamdi Asomugha, Richard Seymour and Michael Huff.”
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FIVE first round draft picks on defense.
DT William Joseph is on again off again. Signed on again Nov.9th. May not be there now, but is on the Raiders web site roster.
Joseph was taken 23rd overall by the Giants in the 03′ draft.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
I meant “Kell”, btw, not “Kelly”. lol. You know I’d never call you that, Kell.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
4 first rounders, two of them busts. Only the Raiders would try to pass this off on their fans.
March 14th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
So,
Wimbley is an OLB, so what does that mean for T Scott & TH. Do we trade TH, or move Scott to DE?
I think we will keep T Scott at WLB and Trade TH. We may also let Kirk sign with another team and use one of the picks on a MLB. O Mock Draft 11.0:
1- trade up for DT Suh (maybe our 1st & TH) 2- ILB Spikes
3- RT Tony Washington, Ducasse, Kyle Calloway, or Sam Young
4- DE Austen Lane
5- CB Stoudamire or Walter Thurmond
5- OG Ciron Black , Thomas Austen, or Shawn Lauvao
7- FB
March 14th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
So,
Wimbley is an OLB, so what does that mean for T Scott & TH. Do we trade TH, or move Scott to DE?
I think we will keep T Scott at WLB and Trade TH. We may also let Kirk sign with another team and use one of the picks on a MLB.
O Mock Draft 11.0:
1- trade up for DT Suh (maybe our 1st & TH)
2- ILB Spikes
3- RT Tony Washington, Ducasse, Kyle Calloway, or Sam Young
4- DE Austen Lane
5- CB Stoudamire or Walter Thurmond
5- OG Ciron Black , Thomas Austen, or Shawn Lauvao
7- FB
March 14th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
2 of them busts, one of them washed up. But, when the only people you have to convince are Raider fans, why not?
March 14th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
# Raider O Says:
March 14th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
So,
Wimbley is an OLB, so what does that mean for T Scott & TH. Do we trade TH, or move Scott to DE?
I think we will keep T Scott at WLB and Trade TH. We may also let Kirk sign with another team and use one of the picks on a MLB.
O Mock Draft 11.0:
1- trade up for DT Suh (maybe our 1st & TH)
2- ILB Spikes
3- RT Tony Washington, Ducasse, Kyle Calloway, or Sam Young
4- DE Austen Lane
5- CB Stoudamire or Walter Thurmond
5- OG Ciron Black , Thomas Austen, or Shawn Lauvao
7- FB
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I think Wimbley will be used more as the pass rush down RDE than Scott….easily.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
The raiders list him as a LB.
March 14th, 2010 at 11:25 pm
FINALLY!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2010_off_season
Wimbley a Raider
March 14th, 2010 at 11:27 pm
Raider O Says:
March 14th, 2010 at 10:59 pm
So,
Wimbley is an OLB, so what does that mean for T Scott & TH. Do we trade TH, or move Scott to DE?
I think we will keep T Scott at WLB and Trade TH. We may also let Kirk sign with another team and use one of the picks on a MLB. O Mock Draft 11.0:
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http://www.raidernationstation.com/2010_off_season
“Wimbley bolsters the Raiders 3-4 package, but doesn’t necessaily mean the Raiders will “go 3-4″ in 2010.
In the past, they’ve run a 3-4 in the red zone, but last season they ran it more in passing situations too, with a zone blitz which was effective more than not.”
March 14th, 2010 at 11:38 pm
Raiders are not going to a 3-4. Who’s going to man the NT position? The Raiders have NO true run clogging, lineman absorbing defensive tackle on the roster. Kelly, Seymour, Bryant are 3-techs at best…neither are NT.
The Raiders need to draft Dan Williams in the 1st round or Cody AT A MINIMUM in the 2nd round.
BTW, Suh and McCoy are 3-techs too
March 14th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Kirwin has Raiders taking Anthony Davis of Rutgers at 8.
Better not.
“Davis’ inconsistent technique, reputation as an underachiever and troubles staying at his ideal weight won’t help his draft stock.
In fact, his strength and weight may make some teams project to him to right tackle or even guard – where he could excel if he matures early in his career. “
March 14th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Could we not have traded for a middle linebacker ?
March 15th, 2010 at 12:01 am
…….and Quinn.Beaten out by a 35 year old arm and traded for a fullback.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:46 am
H.Eugene {can be biotch slapped}
G.Russell {runs like an alligator,but ok for ST}
J.Holland {she wimped out on EVERY return}
C.Carlisle {getting rusty,but ok for back-up duty}
E.Pears {wtf}
sleep well guys
March 15th, 2010 at 12:46 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 14th, 2010 at 7:37 pm
Wimbley’s a sissy. That’s why he’s here. What, did Al Davis have to win some high stakes showdown to bring him here?
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No. Actually, YOU are the sissy. If Al actually wins some games, you end up as an idiot. So your vested interest is for the Raiders to lose. You know, idiot, you are on the wrong site for that.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:19 am
Adam Scefter Twitter:
“Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.”
March 15th, 2010 at 4:47 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Wimbley, huh? Shoot, when I read the topic line at first…I thought we picked up Serena Williams!!! Oooohhh, not Wimbledon…
Sorry guys, its early Monday morning…
March 15th, 2010 at 4:52 am
Morning Hwnrdr.
When I saw it I thought the home of English football ?
March 15th, 2010 at 4:58 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,RAIDER’S HAVE A NEW LB,BRONCO’S HAVE A NEW QB.HOPEFULLY THEY WILL BE IN VERY CLOSE CONTACT MANY,MANY TIMES IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS…
March 15th, 2010 at 4:59 am
Oakland senior executive John Herrera confirmed the deal, saying Oakland gave up a pick it had acquired in a previous deal. The Raiders had acquired a third-round pick from New England last summer in a deal for Derrick Burgess.
“This gives us a guy who has been a strong presence as a pass rusher,” Herrera said. “He has been very productive.”
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doesn’t sound like Wimbley will be making the switch to MLB any time soon.
This finally fills the void at OLB we’ve been trying to solve by throwing in scrubs like Sam Williams, Jon Alston & Robert Thomas in recent years. Doesn’t sound like the Raiders have much faith in Norris or Nixon (to be that guy) either …
So we’re ok if Thomas Howard gets traded (2nd rounder), but what about Morrison? Capt Kirk has more trade value and teams can get him for a 3rd!
March 15th, 2010 at 5:02 am
what if nobody trades for Morrison or Howard?
Morrison, Howard, Brown, Scott & Wimbley.
I like it
now go get a real NT!
March 15th, 2010 at 5:06 am
“This gives us a guy who has been a strong presence as a pass rusher,”
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Greg Ellis was a 3-4 LB who came to us and became the “pass rugh” threat, etc, etc.
How is Wimbley not our DE? If we employ a “pass rushiing” LB into our gameplan, then I’d be a bit surprosed.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:14 am
if Wimbley takes playing time away from Seymour & Shaughnessy at DE I’d be a bit surprised.
…especially with guys like Scott & Howard at OLB who aren’t very stout against the run.
wait. nevermind. we’re talking about the Raiders here
forget I said anything. carry on
March 15th, 2010 at 5:15 am
Our first plus Morrison and Howard for the Rams first.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:19 am
I can see the Ellis to Wimbley comparison though and it makes sense.
I just think we’re fine at DE with Seymour & Shaughnessy. Richardson & Gunheim is adequate depth there too. Kelly & Bryant can even play DE in a pinch if several DE’s got banged up. Scott can play DE on obvious passing downs.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:20 am
I’ll just say that this is going to be really interesting to watch develop.
Wimbley – Seymour – Kelly – Shaugnessy
Hmmmm
Wimbley – MLB – Scott
Hmmmmm
Draft Cody at 8?
March 15th, 2010 at 5:22 am
WHO WUOLD BE YOUR PICK THERE NEILB ? GOOD MORNING BY THE WAY..
March 15th, 2010 at 5:23 am
Possible that both Howard and Morrison are gone and we add a 2nd and a 3rd?
I think that is the option I am hoping for at this point. Wimbley and Scott at OLB with Ricky Brown at MLB works for me if I can get those 2 picks.
Of course I drafting a MLB somewhere. I think I go with a Penn State guy.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:26 am
Morning Dirt-lot…
I’d take Suh.Everytime.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:28 am
Our first plus Morrison and Howard for the Rams first.
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James Laurinaitis is the only LB on the Rams roster who wasn’t a 7th rounder or undrafted free agent. they have nobody to play linebacker, so this could work.
However – they could always get guys like Danny Clark, Joey Porter, Antonio Pierce, Larry Foote, Zach Thomas, Keith Bulluck, Cato June, Angelo Crowell & Pisa Tinoisamoa in free agency without giving up anything …
March 15th, 2010 at 5:30 am
Neilb,
Trading up to #1 to take a 3 tech DT would need a lot of other things to happen as well. TK would have to be traded first and foremost. We can’t just cut him and get nothing in return. And we would still have to get another DT on top of the one we take at 1.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:32 am
The funny thing about that if it does happen…The Rams come to Oak Town this year…another revenge game for ex players?
March 15th, 2010 at 5:32 am
what up Nation?
March 15th, 2010 at 5:33 am
This feels like the DHB pick…
March 15th, 2010 at 5:33 am
The question I have is can Shaugnessy play a 3-4 DE?
If so, go ahead and keep our pick at 8, and draft the fat fucc Cody.
Trade TK for another #3
March 15th, 2010 at 5:33 am
Jhill,I was thinking of moving Kelly to DE and moving Seymour inside.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:34 am
Wassup Thec?
What feels like the DHB pick?
March 15th, 2010 at 5:35 am
What about Shaugnessy, Neilb?
March 15th, 2010 at 5:35 am
Possible that both Howard and Morrison are gone and we add a 2nd and a 3rd?
I think that is the option I am hoping for at this point.
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sure it’s possible. anything is possible!
Morrison said a few teams have shown interest, but no word yet on which teams or if he has any visits scheduled.
Howard just about got benched last year for Trevor Scott at WLB until Ricky Brown & Jon Alston both got hurt and Howard was forced to play SLB. I know he’s disgruntled about getting tendered too. I don’t think anybody would give up a 2nd rounder for this guy. Maybe he’ll eventually sign his tender and the Raiders can trade him away for a 4th?
March 15th, 2010 at 5:35 am
Yeah,I know it’s never going to happen but the thought of the QB running for his life with Suh and Seymour after him is a fun one!
March 15th, 2010 at 5:37 am
The other DE Jhill.
Shaungnessy and Kelly at DE,with Suh and Seymour inside.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:39 am
I think we are overthinking this though.
Wimbley and Scott are our OLBs. Howard lost his job to Trevor Scott, and has now been replaced by Wimbley.
Morrison and Howard are free to seek employment elsewhere, and we will get draft picks when they go elsewhere. Hard to see them tucking their tails and settling for a one year tender type offer.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:42 am
Got to go to work.Late shift this week.
Have a great Monday everyone.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:43 am
Morrison and Howard are free to seek employment elsewhere, and we will get draft picks when they go elsewhere. Hard to see them tucking their tails and settling for a one year tender type offer.
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easier said than done Jhill. just because a player is available doesn’t mean a team will trade for him!
I’ll admit, Morrison for a 3rd is cheap I think at least one team will make him an offer.
Howard is the one i’m afraid we might get stuck with…
March 15th, 2010 at 5:44 am
Shaugnessy and Seymour Will start at DE with Seymour moving to DT in passing situations.
Richardson is a solid #3 at DE, and Scott and Wimbley will get snaps with their hand in the ground on 3rd down.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:48 am
If we trade Howard, then it won’t necessarily require a #2. If no team signs him outright as a RFA, I would still expect him to get traded. Maybe for a player.
Thomas Howard is not John Alston, lol.
March 15th, 2010 at 5:57 am
Jhill, what up Bro? The whole wimbley deal seems like a waste, just like the DHB pick. Not sure we nneede this wimbley guy…
March 15th, 2010 at 5:58 am
If we trade Howard, then it won’t necessarily require a #2. If no team signs him outright as a RFA, I would still expect him to get traded. Maybe for a player.
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as of right now, he can only be had for a 2nd rounder.
there are no negotiations (for picks or players) with RFA’s unless they sign the tender and become the team’s property again.
so if nobody wants Howard for a 2nd, eventually he’ll have to sign his tender. Then maybe we can work something out with another team, but there are no guarantees. I wouldn’t give him away for anything less than a 4th, or maybe a 3rd in 2011.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:09 am
Trade DMAC for Kamerion Wimbley!
March 15th, 2010 at 6:15 am
Well, I think we know that Seymour and Shaugnessy will be starting at DE. I think we also know that Wimbley and Scott will be starting at OLB.
There is no place for Howard to play. I don’t think he signs the tender to come back as a backup. Will be interesting to see how the compensation works out.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:16 am
And is Ricky Brown our new MLB ?!?!??!
March 15th, 2010 at 6:22 am
This is a terrible trade. It makes no sense… he is a 3-4 OLB, and Im sure he isnt moving to DE anytime soon. Just wasnt a position of need, to be had for a 3rd rounder… Stupid move the epitomizes 7 consecutive 11 loss seasons. We need a mlb… so we go trade for an olb. Perfect.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:40 am
Bcz24, I fell the same way. Why, can someone explain this to me? Why did we give up a third for this guy?
Just doesnt make sense…
March 15th, 2010 at 6:43 am
There is no place for Howard to play. I don’t think he signs the tender to come back as a backup. Will be interesting to see how the compensation works out.
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Howard won’t have a choice Jhill. he can sign the tender and compete for a spot in Oakland or refuse to sign it and play for nobody. I think he’ll take the money. Then he’ll hope the Raiders deem him expendable and trade him away so he can pursue a long-term deal with his new team.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:43 am
At least we only gave up the Burgess pick.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:45 am
After a certain point, if he doesnt sign the tender he becomes a UFA. I think any team considering him is looking at it as we can wait until after the draft and get the guy for nothing.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:52 am
we really won’t know Wimbley’s role on this team until OTA’s. I doubt Cable will say anything until then
if Scott stays at WLB and nobody trades for Morrison and/or Howard the picture is a little cloudy
Seymour was given the DE tag, not the DT tag. the DE tag is much more expensive, so I’m sure Al Davis has no plans to play him exclusively at DT next to Tommy Kelly.
Matt Shaughnessy made Greg Ellis expendable. the rookie showed so much promise he pushed the team’s sack leader & vocal leader in the locker room off the roster completely.
sounds to me like Howard, Brown, Scott & Wimbley will fight for 2 OLB spots unless Howard goes to another team and we get a 2nd rounder in return …
March 15th, 2010 at 6:54 am
Why, can someone explain this to me? Why did we give up a third for this guy?
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He’s under contract through 2011 at a VERY reasonable salary. Compare that to the $ we would have to pay Morrison or Howard, players who they don’t like, it’s a good deal. Not only that, Wimbley is a better player.
Essentially a wash with the pick we’ll get back for Morrison.
March 15th, 2010 at 6:56 am
sounds to me like Howard, Brown, Scott & Wimbley will fight for 2 OLB spots
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I don’t see that at all. Wimbley is starting. You don’t trade away a 3rd rd pick for a backup player.. And Scott was arguably our best LB last year.
The only question I see is whether Ricky Brown is our MLB?
March 15th, 2010 at 6:57 am
After a certain point, if he doesnt sign the tender he becomes a UFA. I think any team considering him is looking at it as we can wait until after the draft and get the guy for nothing.
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I don’t think thats right BCZ. otherwise the donks would have tagged Elvis Dumervil or Brandon Marshall. every player is angry about being tendered as a restricted free agent. they want big long-term deals full of guaranteed money, but teams are being smart with the impending lockout next year.
Marshall requires a 1st & Dumervil requires a 1st & 3rd. then the donks can match (if they chose). these players will NEVER hit the open market with the donks getting nothing in return – trust me.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:01 am
Your assuming we WILL get a pick for morrison. I do agree that Wimbleys salary is very reasonable. I dont agree that he is a better player.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:02 am
it’s impossible to know if Brown & Scott will start until Morrison & Howard are traded.
Scott is weak against the run.
Jerry Mac compared Wimbley to Scott.
Personally I hope KW is much better against the run than TS!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:02 am
So if Wimbley is a starter, is it at SLB or DE? I would hate to see him take ShoNasty’s minutes when our LBs are so weak…
But PFT says he will be a hands-down rush end as he was at FSU.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:04 am
Just because the tender is for a 1 or a 1 & 3 does not mean a team interested in trading HAS to give that compensation. I was listening to NFL radio on Sirius this morning and Randy Cross said that at some point after the draft RFA’s become UFA’s.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:05 am
The donks did franchise Dumerville didnt they??
March 15th, 2010 at 7:07 am
Trevor Scott, weak against the run?
I think you’re the first person I’ve heard say that. Usually, it’s Howard getting bashed for his play against the run. Even from the coaches. He lost his starting job to Scott.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:07 am
the Browns replaced Kamerion Wimbley with Scott Fujita.
if Fujita is a better run defender than Wimbley then we really got hosed in this deal …
Wimbley just feels like another Derrick Burgess/Greg Ellis type of player to me. pass rush and nothing more
March 15th, 2010 at 7:09 am
I do agree that Wimbleys salary is very reasonable. I dont agree that he is a better player.
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Who don’t you think Wimbley’s a better player than?
March 15th, 2010 at 7:10 am
I was listening to NFL radio on Sirius this morning and Randy Cross said that at some point after the draft RFA’s become UFA’s.
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I’m not saying that Cross didn’t say that, but I don’t believe it … thats crap imo
Dumervil was tendered as a RFA. not tagged. led the NFL in sacks last year
March 15th, 2010 at 7:10 am
Good morning to my dear friends in here,..terribly long night without you.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Adam_Schefter Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.
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Wimbleys a better player man. I doubt the coaches in the AFC West feel the same way about Howard or Morrison going elsewhere.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:12 am
Sorry Jhill, Scott or Howard, or Morrison if he moves outside for that matter. Wimbley adds pass rush, which we werent lacking in. Does nothing to stop the run, look at Clevelands run d compared to ours.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:13 am
I doubt the coaches feel the same way about the raiders….
March 15th, 2010 at 7:14 am
Jhill: Scott @ DE was trash against the run
every preseason game before Dick Seymour was acquired teams ran the ball right at him
Scott at WLB might be a little better against the run, but it’s hard to know just HOW MUCH better. teams ran the ball AT WILL against us last year with or without Scott in the lineup. get a real NT and we’ll find out
March 15th, 2010 at 7:14 am
Jhill, “IF” we get a pick for morrison, will it be a higher or lower pick? I know we cant tell at this point but man it seems we make some of the weirdest moves, that really never pan out…
March 15th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Wimbley adds pass rush, which we werent lacking in. Does nothing to stop the run, look at Clevelands run d compared to ours.
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well said BCZ. thats exactly how I feel
March 15th, 2010 at 7:15 am
I liked it when we were just sitting tight, not doing anything with fA…
March 15th, 2010 at 7:18 am
nothing against wimbley, but why do we need him? We need a trench overhaul on the offensive side of the ball.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Thats just it, the Wimbley move would make a lot more sense to me if we werent so deep at OLB already. He isnt going to beat out Seymour for DE, are we planning on moving Shaunassy inside to tackle? I just dont get it. He is averaging 5 sacks a year, outside of his rookie year. Maybe Marshall will be free to call more blitzes this year, but I doubt that, so Wimbleys sack numbers my drop when he is asked to play in coverage instead of rushing the passer.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:20 am
It looks like Al is making most of his moves for the 2010 season, and than figuring there will be a lockout in 2011 and he could be dead after that anyways.
Everybody got tendered, but nobody was signed for even 2 years. Than Wimbley, who is probably cheaper than a 3rd rounder would be in 2010, will probably be more productive and has only two years on his deal (i.e. can cut him next year with no real damages).
I like this trade. Not a great trade, and not a bad one. If the Raiders can get slightly more out of him than the Browns, it will be well worth it.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:21 am
is Wimbley a 3rd down DE? pass rush specialist?
running plays:
DL: Seymour-Kelly-DraftPick-Shaughnessy
LB: Howard-Morrison-Scott
passing plays:
DL: Wimbley-Kelly-Seymour-Shaughnessy
LB: Howard-Morrison-Scott
you guys know how Al Davis loves that pressure from the front 4 alone. Wimbley is the new Chris Clemons (8 sacks in this role in 2007)
March 15th, 2010 at 7:23 am
Vegas,..Al isnt dying anytime soon,..I know that bothers miserable MR and old kell the troll,..but Al likely here another 15 years or so.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Wimbley might be our best LB today. It is very debatable.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:25 am
Bob,
I don’t know man, 15 years seems a little long. I hope he gets healthy and wins another bowl and tells everyone to shove it while shytting in a bag.
But I deal with old people in my work, that’s what I do. People as immobile and old as him can make a wrong turn and be taking a dirt nap in a matter of a couple of months.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:27 am
I think Ricky Brown is a better run defender than Howard, Scott & Wimbley, but he’ll probably just back up both OLB spots and MLB. solid ST player too
just hope he can stay healthy!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:27 am
I guess my knee jerk reaction to ANY trade the Raiders make is to think that we arent going to get the best out of him. Seymour is a good example… we gave up possible a top 10 pick for 4 sacks. We dont utilize guys to their strengths, and we definitely dont get the best out of these guys. I hope Wimbley will prove me wrong, he is not the worst guy we have picked up over the last 7 years that is for sure.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 6:52 am
we really won’t know Wimbley’s role on this team until OTA’s. I doubt Cable will say anything until then
if Scott stays at WLB and nobody trades for Morrison and/or Howard the picture is a little cloudy
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Not really. He’ll be a DE and a LB. His diveristy in the 4-3 and 3-4 make him a valuable commodity to a Raider team that has ran and is running both systems.
Look for Scott to play standing up and with his hand in the ground too like last year.
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Seymour was given the DE tag, not the DT tag. the DE tag is much more expensive, so I’m sure Al Davis has no plans to play him exclusively at DT next to Tommy Kelly.
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Doubtful Davis would let something like price dictate where Seymour would play. He’ll likely do as he did in NE, play both to creat mismatches along the line.
Seymour CAN anchor the end in a 3-4 and slip inside in a 4-3 package.
DIVERSITY.
Its always been a Davis hallmark.
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Matt Shaughnessy made Greg Ellis expendable. the rookie showed so much promise he pushed the team’s sack leader & vocal leader in the locker room off the roster completely.
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Ellis’s knees made him expendable. He sat out most practices the back half of the season and limped thru the year even in a limited role.
Speaking of limited roles, Shaughnessy had 29 tackles and 4 sacks in 2 starts. He saw action in all 16, but has had serious injuires himslef in his young career.
Kamerion is good insurance.
Again, Ellis’s knees forced him off the team and out of the game but Shaughnessy will be one to watch.
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sounds to me like Howard, Brown, Scott & Wimbley will fight for 2 OLB spots unless Howard goes to another team and we get a 2nd rounder in return …
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Wouldn’t count home town hero Morrison out just yet. He’s a Davis favorite and unrelentingly positive. A move to SAm would be welcome and though Morrison claims he’s never done it, Jerry pointed out how Morrison had early on in Oakland.
It will be interesting to see how Marshall handles Mr Davis’s pass rush / cover D this year. He seems to be taking the diversification part to heart and keeping up with the NFL’s zone blitzes and hybrid defenders.
We’ll see if they go O line to give their defense some poitns to protect other wise tis going to be a long run in 2010.
Pun intended.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2010_off_season
March 15th, 2010 at 7:29 am
The Broncos acquired Brady Quinn the former first-round draft pick from the Cleveland Browns for fullback Peyton Hillis, a 2011 sixth-round draft pick and a conditional pick in 2012.
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Can we trade JaMarcus Russell for just a 2011 sixth rounder?
March 15th, 2010 at 7:32 am
I just can’t see how you think Morrison will be back.
I mean, a LB of his so called talents available for 3rd rd pick?
I agree that Wimbley is here to get after the QB. I initally said that I thought he replaced Ellis. But then what does that do to Shaugnessy who CLEARLY needs to be on the field?
Only thing that makes sense is Seymour is moving inside, or both Morrison and Howard are gone.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:34 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:27 am
I think Ricky Brown is a better run defender than Howard, Scott & Wimbley, but he’ll probably just back up both OLB spots and MLB. solid ST player too
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LMFAO!
Ricky Brown will start at MLB.
As you say … Trust me!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:34 am
15 years, give or take a year. Print that kids.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:35 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Thats just it, the Wimbley move would make a lot more sense to me if we werent so deep at OLB already. He isnt going to beat out Seymour for DE, are we planning on moving Shaunassy inside to tackle? I just dont get it. He is averaging 5 sacks a year, outside of his rookie year. Maybe Marshall will be free to call more blitzes this year, but I doubt that, so Wimbleys sack numbers my drop when he is asked to play in coverage instead of rushing the passer.
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Deep?
Can’t count Ekejuiba and Sam Williams as depth imo. Strictly ST. Cringe when I see Williams in there on downs.
Alston’s gone. Thats ok, one more concusion and their will be talk of retirement.
Brown seems to need a little more Sand in his pants and our mid round rookie pick will be lucky to make the practice squad.
Morrison could stay, but with a 3, might go.
Howard likley stays and is a vocal leader on the field and good in coverage as well.
Hope he stays.
Wimbley’s coverage improved last year, but he’s got a ways to go. Think he’ll likey be a hand in the dirt guy for us and use that quick first step.
Not a bad pick up theoretically.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:35 am
So the Browns in 2008 had 3 QB’s on the roster, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn and my man Bruce at the end of the year.
They gave Derek a $28 million extension after one year, drafted Brady with a first rounder and had Bruce for nothing. They let Bruce walk for nothing, have to release Anderson and get nothing after he received over $10 million in 2008 and 2009, and than trade Quinn for a backup RB and a 6th rounder. LMAO, great job Browns!!!! No wonder they have never been to a Super Bowl.
Interesting to see who of the three has the best of the rest of their NFL career from here.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:36 am
Talk about bad personal moves… the Browns are paying Jake Delhomme 7 million guaranteed next year! LMAO. Way to start of Holmgren, got rid of Quinn and Anderson who combined for 11tds and 18 ints last year, for Wallace and Delhomme, who combinded for 11tds and 20ints last year. Brilliant. Equal production from older players. LOL… Holmgren must have went to the AL Davis school for personal decisions.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:36 am
N21: we didn’t play 3-4 last year at all that I can remember
I doubt Al Davis makes that request and John Marshall has always been a 4-3 DC.
we can still blitz out of the 4-3. look at Philly!
thats what we did at times last year sending Mitchell, Scott (from WLB), Routt, Asomugha & Huff.
we don’t have a 4-3 NT, much less a 3-4 NT!
throwing Kelly, Bryant or Seymour in the middle of a 3-4 line spells disaster. I’ll pass
March 15th, 2010 at 7:37 am
“Trade fever: Kamerion Wimbley dealt by Cleveland Browns to Oakland Raiders for third-round draft pick
By Tony Grossi
March 14, 2010, 10:04PM
UPDATED: 10:05 p.m.
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Kamerion Wimbley was the best pass rusher on a Browns team seemingly always lacking in that fundamental part of the game.
That didn’t stop the Browns from trading Wimbley to the Oakland Raiders on Sunday for a third-round pick in this year’s draft.
This one came out of left field.
“I didn’t know anything was up,” said agent Joe Linta. “Is it a shocker? I would say so. I don’t think anybody saw this coming. Apparently they made the decision to get rid of him.
“He is clearly one of the top five players on the team and you can’t have a better consummate person in the locker room.”
Wimbley, the Browns’ first-round pick in 2006, was young (not 27 until October), dependable (the only game he missed in four years was because of the flu) and affordable ($1.065 million salary in 2010).
What’s more, Wimbley’s 26.5 career sacks were the most posted in a four-season stretch by a Brown in the expansion era. Linebacker Jamir Miller had 13 sacks in 2001, but totaled 22.5 in his three years with the team.
The trade completes a 360-degree spin in a Cleveland uniform for the athletic — some described him as elastic — Wimbley. He came to the Browns in a controversial trade by former General Manager Phil Savage. The Browns held the No. 12 spot in the first round in 2006 and Baltimore, Savage’s former team, was right behind at No. 13.
In the Browns’ draft room, the debate was whether to select defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, the premier run-stopper in that draft, or Wimbley, the second-best pass rusher. Wimbley was a bit of a projection because he played defensive end at Florida State and the Browns planned on converting him to outside linebacker in the 3-4 scheme then run by former head coach Romeo Crennel.
Savage knew Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome, his former boss, coveted Ngata. Savage asked Crennel, “Do you want the run stopper or the pass rusher?” Crennel gave the nod to the pass rusher. Savage then traded down one spot with his division rival — a taboo move in the NFL. The Ravens paid the bargain price of a sixth-round pick.
Savage used the sixth round pick on Stanford nose tackle Baba Oshinowo, who played one game for the Browns and had two tackles. Ngata has been a stalwart in the middle of the Ravens’ defense and has made two Pro Bowl appearances.
Wimbley tried hard to make the trade look like a good move. He started in his second NFL game and proceeded to set a Browns rookie record with 11 sacks in 2006. But he slumped to five and four over the next two years.
Wimbley showed a resurgence under coach Eric Mangini in 2009 with 6.5 sacks and seemed to be expanding his game as an every-down linebacker in the 3-4 defensive system.
Wimbley may have been the most athletic and productive player on the defense other than tackle Shaun Rogers. He was third on the team with 68 tackles in 2009, first in sacks with 6.5 and added one forced fumble.
ESPN reported that the Browns had multiple offers for Wimbley, but none was better than the Raiders’ third-round pick.
If no linebackers are added, it’s possible the Browns would line up Marcus Benard, a 2009 undrafted free agent, in Wimbley’s weakside outside post. Matt Roth, a restricted free agent, could be the other outside linebacker. Or newly signed free agent Scott Fujita, formerly of New Orleans, could join the mix.”
March 15th, 2010 at 7:38 am
There was a reason Quinn slid on draft day and the Browns made the homne town sympathy selection to their chagrin.
I hope Quinn is a lage bust in Denver and that we crush him mightly.
I hope he loses Brandon Marshall to an NFC team and the Broncos don’t get him any line help this draft too.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:38 am
I just can’t see how you think Morrison will be back.
I mean, a LB of his so called talents available for 3rd rd pick?
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same could be said for Wimbley, no?
3rd rounder is all it took?
and the Browns replaced him with Scott Fujita?
yikes!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:39 am
We trade for one LB and still have two unsigned and you people are talking about a 3-4 defense?
lmao come on people
March 15th, 2010 at 7:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:36 am
N21: we didn’t play 3-4 last year at all that I can remember
I doubt Al Davis makes that request and John Marshall has always been a 4-3 DC.
we can still blitz out of the 4-3. look at Philly!
thats what we did at times last year sending Mitchell, Scott (from WLB), Routt, Asomugha & Huff.
we don’t have a 4-3 NT, much less a 3-4 NT!
throwing Kelly, Bryant or Seymour in the middle of a 3-4 line spells disaster. I’ll pass
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We certainly did, had and have for years.
We run it in red zone packages.
I certainly won’t miss Big Gerard Warren dropping into coverage on those zone blitzes.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:42 am
I for one love the move, even though I never heard of the guy before yesterday,..but brian called me, told me its a great move, as long as we get a hardcore nose tackle soon, trade or draft,…but brian likes the guy…good enough for me…by the way I just read poor old MR yesterday after I left, was making fun of a person going to spring training,..hmmm,..well, when I was in spring training havin a blast with the Giants and A`s, MR was in here all weekend complaining about the state of the Raiders,…I guess he feels thats an enjoyable weekend,..that pretty much sums up the life of MR,..hope he cheers up soon.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:44 am
We certainly did, had and have for years.
We run it in red zone packages.
I certainly won’t miss Big Gerard Warren dropping into coverage on those zone blitzes.
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you’re thinking of a Rob Ryan defense in Oakland, not a John Marshall defense. sorry bro. not buying it
Marshall also pitched the prevent defense Ryan & Davis loved after it cost us the Week 1 game against SD.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:45 am
Nnam… I seriously dont recall ever seeing the Raiders in a 3-4. I havent watched as closely over the last few years admittedly, because I cant get DirectTv at my home.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:46 am
since we’ve added Wimbley, does that mean we’ll pass on Derrick Morgan or JPP now?
March 15th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Had directv for a couple years,…it sucks.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:46 am
Hey, if the other team’s fan base is pissed about the Wimbley trade, then I am happy about it…
March 15th, 2010 at 7:47 am
Cleveland Browns won’t even get a high No. 3 for Kamerion Wimbley
By Tony Grossi
March 15, 2010, 11:24AM
CLEVELAND — Upon further review, the Browns’ trade of linebacker Kamerion Wimbley to Oakland is worse than originally thought.
According to reports, the Raiders apparently will send the Browns the lower of their two picks in the third round for Wimbley, a No. 1 pick in 2006.
The Raiders obtained a third-round pick from New England — No. 86 overall — last year in exchange for defensive lineman Richard Seymour. That’s the pick coming to the Browns instead of Oakland’s own third-round pick, No. 70 overall.
The Browns have not confirmed the trade.
Browns President Mike Holmgren is expected to address the media later this afternoon.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:50 am
on a positive note:
I don’t think Al Davis could have drafted a pass rush specialist better than Wimbley at 86th overall in the draft …
March 15th, 2010 at 7:51 am
On a more positive not… at least we arent paying Jake Delhomme 7mil
March 15th, 2010 at 7:53 am
Has DMAC been traded yet?
March 15th, 2010 at 7:53 am
new post!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:44 am
We certainly did, had and have for years.
We run it in red zone packages.
I certainly won’t miss Big Gerard Warren dropping into coverage on those zone blitzes.
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you’re thinking of a Rob Ryan defense in Oakland, not a John Marshall defense. sorry bro. not buying it
Marshall also pitched the prevent defense Ryan & Davis loved after it cost us the Week 1 game against SD.
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Not as a base for sure, but yes, we do and have run the 3-4 aside from Ryan’s failed attempt to make Sapp a 3-4 DE.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
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