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Raiders acknowledge Wimbley acquisition

The Raiders announced the signing of the Kamerion Wimbley trade on their Web site Sunday without giving the compensation.

Beat writer Steve Corkran is reporting the Raiders sent the Browns a third-round draft pick obtained in the Derrick Burgess trade with New England. It’s worth noting the Raiders could get a third-round pick if Kirk Morrison signs an offer sheet with another team.

Wimbley’s agent, reached by e-mail, said, “Kamerion is very accepting of the Browns decision and he is looking forward to working with coach Cable. There were no hard feelings and he wishes the Browns the best.”

The Raiders company line on the Wimbley trade is they’ve got a fourth first-round draft pick on their defensive unit, joining Nnamdi Asomugha, Richard Seymour and Michael Huff.

The downside is the mission statement of the 2010 Raiders defense is to stop the run, and Wimbley comes from a Cleveland defense that finished just one spot ahead of Oakland in rushing defense (28th). The Browns gave up 4.6 yards per carry to Oakland’s 4.5.

Wimbley is due to make $1,065,000 this season, and Adam Caplan of Scout.com, the first to break the story, reports the contract voids after this season but says “there’s an up to $7.765 million buyback for 2011 based on statistical achievement from previous seasons.”

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  • jhill

    And is Ricky Brown our new MLB ?!?!??!

  • bcz24

    This is a terrible trade. It makes no sense… he is a 3-4 OLB, and Im sure he isnt moving to DE anytime soon. Just wasnt a position of need, to be had for a 3rd rounder… Stupid move the epitomizes 7 consecutive 11 loss seasons. We need a mlb… so we go trade for an olb. Perfect.

  • Thec07

    Bcz24, I fell the same way. Why, can someone explain this to me? Why did we give up a third for this guy?
    Just doesnt make sense…

  • RaiderRockstar

    There is no place for Howard to play. I don’t think he signs the tender to come back as a backup. Will be interesting to see how the compensation works out.

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    Howard won’t have a choice Jhill. he can sign the tender and compete for a spot in Oakland or refuse to sign it and play for nobody. I think he’ll take the money. Then he’ll hope the Raiders deem him expendable and trade him away so he can pursue a long-term deal with his new team.

  • bcz24

    At least we only gave up the Burgess pick.

  • bcz24

    After a certain point, if he doesnt sign the tender he becomes a UFA. I think any team considering him is looking at it as we can wait until after the draft and get the guy for nothing.

  • RaiderRockstar

    we really won’t know Wimbley’s role on this team until OTA’s. I doubt Cable will say anything until then

    if Scott stays at WLB and nobody trades for Morrison and/or Howard the picture is a little cloudy

    Seymour was given the DE tag, not the DT tag. the DE tag is much more expensive, so I’m sure Al Davis has no plans to play him exclusively at DT next to Tommy Kelly.

    Matt Shaughnessy made Greg Ellis expendable. the rookie showed so much promise he pushed the team’s sack leader & vocal leader in the locker room off the roster completely.

    sounds to me like Howard, Brown, Scott & Wimbley will fight for 2 OLB spots unless Howard goes to another team and we get a 2nd rounder in return …

  • jhill

    Why, can someone explain this to me? Why did we give up a third for this guy?

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    He’s under contract through 2011 at a VERY reasonable salary. Compare that to the $ we would have to pay Morrison or Howard, players who they don’t like, it’s a good deal. Not only that, Wimbley is a better player.

    Essentially a wash with the pick we’ll get back for Morrison.

  • jhill

    sounds to me like Howard, Brown, Scott & Wimbley will fight for 2 OLB spots

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    I don’t see that at all. Wimbley is starting. You don’t trade away a 3rd rd pick for a backup player.. And Scott was arguably our best LB last year.

    The only question I see is whether Ricky Brown is our MLB?

  • RaiderRockstar

    After a certain point, if he doesnt sign the tender he becomes a UFA. I think any team considering him is looking at it as we can wait until after the draft and get the guy for nothing.

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    I don’t think thats right BCZ. otherwise the donks would have tagged Elvis Dumervil or Brandon Marshall. every player is angry about being tendered as a restricted free agent. they want big long-term deals full of guaranteed money, but teams are being smart with the impending lockout next year.

    Marshall requires a 1st & Dumervil requires a 1st & 3rd. then the donks can match (if they chose). these players will NEVER hit the open market with the donks getting nothing in return – trust me.

  • bcz24

    Your assuming we WILL get a pick for morrison. I do agree that Wimbleys salary is very reasonable. I dont agree that he is a better player.

  • RaiderRockstar

    it’s impossible to know if Brown & Scott will start until Morrison & Howard are traded.

    Scott is weak against the run.

    Jerry Mac compared Wimbley to Scott.

    Personally I hope KW is much better against the run than TS!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    So if Wimbley is a starter, is it at SLB or DE? I would hate to see him take ShoNasty’s minutes when our LBs are so weak…

    But PFT says he will be a hands-down rush end as he was at FSU.

  • bcz24

    Just because the tender is for a 1 or a 1 & 3 does not mean a team interested in trading HAS to give that compensation. I was listening to NFL radio on Sirius this morning and Randy Cross said that at some point after the draft RFA’s become UFA’s.

  • bcz24

    The donks did franchise Dumerville didnt they??

  • jhill

    Trevor Scott, weak against the run?

    I think you’re the first person I’ve heard say that. Usually, it’s Howard getting bashed for his play against the run. Even from the coaches. He lost his starting job to Scott.

  • RaiderRockstar

    the Browns replaced Kamerion Wimbley with Scott Fujita.

    if Fujita is a better run defender than Wimbley then we really got hosed in this deal …

    Wimbley just feels like another Derrick Burgess/Greg Ellis type of player to me. pass rush and nothing more

  • jhill

    I do agree that Wimbleys salary is very reasonable. I dont agree that he is a better player.

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    Who don’t you think Wimbley’s a better player than?

  • RaiderRockstar

    I was listening to NFL radio on Sirius this morning and Randy Cross said that at some point after the draft RFA’s become UFA’s.

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    I’m not saying that Cross didn’t say that, but I don’t believe it … thats crap imo

    Dumervil was tendered as a RFA. not tagged. led the NFL in sacks last year

  • Norco Bob

    Good morning to my dear friends in here,..terribly long night without you.

  • jhill

    Adam_Schefter Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.

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    Wimbleys a better player man. I doubt the coaches in the AFC West feel the same way about Howard or Morrison going elsewhere.

  • bcz24

    Sorry Jhill, Scott or Howard, or Morrison if he moves outside for that matter. Wimbley adds pass rush, which we werent lacking in. Does nothing to stop the run, look at Clevelands run d compared to ours.

  • Thec07

    I doubt the coaches feel the same way about the raiders….

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jhill: Scott @ DE was trash against the run

    every preseason game before Dick Seymour was acquired teams ran the ball right at him

    Scott at WLB might be a little better against the run, but it’s hard to know just HOW MUCH better. teams ran the ball AT WILL against us last year with or without Scott in the lineup. get a real NT and we’ll find out

  • Thec07

    Jhill, “IF” we get a pick for morrison, will it be a higher or lower pick? I know we cant tell at this point but man it seems we make some of the weirdest moves, that really never pan out…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Wimbley adds pass rush, which we werent lacking in. Does nothing to stop the run, look at Clevelands run d compared to ours.

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    well said BCZ. thats exactly how I feel

  • Thec07

    I liked it when we were just sitting tight, not doing anything with fA…

  • Thec07

    nothing against wimbley, but why do we need him? We need a trench overhaul on the offensive side of the ball.

  • bcz24

    Thats just it, the Wimbley move would make a lot more sense to me if we werent so deep at OLB already. He isnt going to beat out Seymour for DE, are we planning on moving Shaunassy inside to tackle? I just dont get it. He is averaging 5 sacks a year, outside of his rookie year. Maybe Marshall will be free to call more blitzes this year, but I doubt that, so Wimbleys sack numbers my drop when he is asked to play in coverage instead of rushing the passer.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    It looks like Al is making most of his moves for the 2010 season, and than figuring there will be a lockout in 2011 and he could be dead after that anyways.

    Everybody got tendered, but nobody was signed for even 2 years. Than Wimbley, who is probably cheaper than a 3rd rounder would be in 2010, will probably be more productive and has only two years on his deal (i.e. can cut him next year with no real damages).

    I like this trade. Not a great trade, and not a bad one. If the Raiders can get slightly more out of him than the Browns, it will be well worth it.

  • RaiderRockstar

    is Wimbley a 3rd down DE? pass rush specialist?

    running plays:

    DL: Seymour-Kelly-DraftPick-Shaughnessy

    LB: Howard-Morrison-Scott

    passing plays:

    DL: Wimbley-Kelly-Seymour-Shaughnessy

    LB: Howard-Morrison-Scott

    you guys know how Al Davis loves that pressure from the front 4 alone. Wimbley is the new Chris Clemons (8 sacks in this role in 2007)

  • Norco Bob

    Vegas,..Al isnt dying anytime soon,..I know that bothers miserable MR and old kell the troll,..but Al likely here another 15 years or so.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Wimbley might be our best LB today. It is very debatable.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Bob,

    I don’t know man, 15 years seems a little long. I hope he gets healthy and wins another bowl and tells everyone to shove it while shytting in a bag.

    But I deal with old people in my work, that’s what I do. People as immobile and old as him can make a wrong turn and be taking a dirt nap in a matter of a couple of months.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I think Ricky Brown is a better run defender than Howard, Scott & Wimbley, but he’ll probably just back up both OLB spots and MLB. solid ST player too

    just hope he can stay healthy!

  • bcz24

    I guess my knee jerk reaction to ANY trade the Raiders make is to think that we arent going to get the best out of him. Seymour is a good example… we gave up possible a top 10 pick for 4 sacks. We dont utilize guys to their strengths, and we definitely dont get the best out of these guys. I hope Wimbley will prove me wrong, he is not the worst guy we have picked up over the last 7 years that is for sure.

  • Nnamdi21

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 15th, 2010 at 6:52 am
    we really won’t know Wimbley’s role on this team until OTA’s. I doubt Cable will say anything until then

    if Scott stays at WLB and nobody trades for Morrison and/or Howard the picture is a little cloudy

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    Not really. He’ll be a DE and a LB. His diveristy in the 4-3 and 3-4 make him a valuable commodity to a Raider team that has ran and is running both systems.

    Look for Scott to play standing up and with his hand in the ground too like last year.

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    Seymour was given the DE tag, not the DT tag. the DE tag is much more expensive, so I’m sure Al Davis has no plans to play him exclusively at DT next to Tommy Kelly.

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    Doubtful Davis would let something like price dictate where Seymour would play. He’ll likely do as he did in NE, play both to creat mismatches along the line.
    Seymour CAN anchor the end in a 3-4 and slip inside in a 4-3 package.

    DIVERSITY.

    Its always been a Davis hallmark.

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    Matt Shaughnessy made Greg Ellis expendable. the rookie showed so much promise he pushed the team’s sack leader & vocal leader in the locker room off the roster completely.

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    Ellis’s knees made him expendable. He sat out most practices the back half of the season and limped thru the year even in a limited role.

    Speaking of limited roles, Shaughnessy had 29 tackles and 4 sacks in 2 starts. He saw action in all 16, but has had serious injuires himslef in his young career.

    Kamerion is good insurance.

    Again, Ellis’s knees forced him off the team and out of the game but Shaughnessy will be one to watch.

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    sounds to me like Howard, Brown, Scott & Wimbley will fight for 2 OLB spots unless Howard goes to another team and we get a 2nd rounder in return …

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    Wouldn’t count home town hero Morrison out just yet. He’s a Davis favorite and unrelentingly positive. A move to SAm would be welcome and though Morrison claims he’s never done it, Jerry pointed out how Morrison had early on in Oakland.

    It will be interesting to see how Marshall handles Mr Davis’s pass rush / cover D this year. He seems to be taking the diversification part to heart and keeping up with the NFL’s zone blitzes and hybrid defenders.
    We’ll see if they go O line to give their defense some poitns to protect other wise tis going to be a long run in 2010.

    Pun intended.

    http://www.raidernationstation.com/2010_off_season

  • RaiderRockstar

    The Broncos acquired Brady Quinn the former first-round draft pick from the Cleveland Browns for fullback Peyton Hillis, a 2011 sixth-round draft pick and a conditional pick in 2012.

    ***

    Can we trade JaMarcus Russell for just a 2011 sixth rounder?

  • jhill

    I just can’t see how you think Morrison will be back.

    I mean, a LB of his so called talents available for 3rd rd pick?

    I agree that Wimbley is here to get after the QB. I initally said that I thought he replaced Ellis. But then what does that do to Shaugnessy who CLEARLY needs to be on the field?

    Only thing that makes sense is Seymour is moving inside, or both Morrison and Howard are gone.

  • jhill

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 15th, 2010 at 7:27 am

    I think Ricky Brown is a better run defender than Howard, Scott & Wimbley, but he’ll probably just back up both OLB spots and MLB. solid ST player too

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    LMFAO!

    Ricky Brown will start at MLB.

    As you say … Trust me!

  • Norco Bob

    15 years, give or take a year. Print that kids.

  • Nnamdi21

    bcz24 Says:
    March 15th, 2010 at 7:20 am
    Thats just it, the Wimbley move would make a lot more sense to me if we werent so deep at OLB already. He isnt going to beat out Seymour for DE, are we planning on moving Shaunassy inside to tackle? I just dont get it. He is averaging 5 sacks a year, outside of his rookie year. Maybe Marshall will be free to call more blitzes this year, but I doubt that, so Wimbleys sack numbers my drop when he is asked to play in coverage instead of rushing the passer.

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    Deep?

    Can’t count Ekejuiba and Sam Williams as depth imo. Strictly ST. Cringe when I see Williams in there on downs.

    Alston’s gone. Thats ok, one more concusion and their will be talk of retirement.

    Brown seems to need a little more Sand in his pants and our mid round rookie pick will be lucky to make the practice squad.

    Morrison could stay, but with a 3, might go.

    Howard likley stays and is a vocal leader on the field and good in coverage as well.

    Hope he stays.

    Wimbley’s coverage improved last year, but he’s got a ways to go. Think he’ll likey be a hand in the dirt guy for us and use that quick first step.

    Not a bad pick up theoretically.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    So the Browns in 2008 had 3 QB’s on the roster, Derek Anderson, Brady Quinn and my man Bruce at the end of the year.

    They gave Derek a $28 million extension after one year, drafted Brady with a first rounder and had Bruce for nothing. They let Bruce walk for nothing, have to release Anderson and get nothing after he received over $10 million in 2008 and 2009, and than trade Quinn for a backup RB and a 6th rounder. LMAO, great job Browns!!!! No wonder they have never been to a Super Bowl.

    Interesting to see who of the three has the best of the rest of their NFL career from here.

  • bcz24

    Talk about bad personal moves… the Browns are paying Jake Delhomme 7 million guaranteed next year! LMAO. Way to start of Holmgren, got rid of Quinn and Anderson who combined for 11tds and 18 ints last year, for Wallace and Delhomme, who combinded for 11tds and 20ints last year. Brilliant. Equal production from older players. LOL… Holmgren must have went to the AL Davis school for personal decisions.

  • RaiderRockstar

    N21: we didn’t play 3-4 last year at all that I can remember

    I doubt Al Davis makes that request and John Marshall has always been a 4-3 DC.

    we can still blitz out of the 4-3. look at Philly!

    thats what we did at times last year sending Mitchell, Scott (from WLB), Routt, Asomugha & Huff.

    we don’t have a 4-3 NT, much less a 3-4 NT!

    throwing Kelly, Bryant or Seymour in the middle of a 3-4 line spells disaster. I’ll pass

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    “Trade fever: Kamerion Wimbley dealt by Cleveland Browns to Oakland Raiders for third-round draft pick
    By Tony Grossi
    March 14, 2010, 10:04PM
    UPDATED: 10:05 p.m.

    CLEVELAND, Ohio — Kamerion Wimbley was the best pass rusher on a Browns team seemingly always lacking in that fundamental part of the game.

    That didn’t stop the Browns from trading Wimbley to the Oakland Raiders on Sunday for a third-round pick in this year’s draft.

    This one came out of left field.

    “I didn’t know anything was up,” said agent Joe Linta. “Is it a shocker? I would say so. I don’t think anybody saw this coming. Apparently they made the decision to get rid of him.

    “He is clearly one of the top five players on the team and you can’t have a better consummate person in the locker room.”

    Wimbley, the Browns’ first-round pick in 2006, was young (not 27 until October), dependable (the only game he missed in four years was because of the flu) and affordable ($1.065 million salary in 2010).

    What’s more, Wimbley’s 26.5 career sacks were the most posted in a four-season stretch by a Brown in the expansion era. Linebacker Jamir Miller had 13 sacks in 2001, but totaled 22.5 in his three years with the team.

    The trade completes a 360-degree spin in a Cleveland uniform for the athletic — some described him as elastic — Wimbley. He came to the Browns in a controversial trade by former General Manager Phil Savage. The Browns held the No. 12 spot in the first round in 2006 and Baltimore, Savage’s former team, was right behind at No. 13.

    In the Browns’ draft room, the debate was whether to select defensive tackle Haloti Ngata, the premier run-stopper in that draft, or Wimbley, the second-best pass rusher. Wimbley was a bit of a projection because he played defensive end at Florida State and the Browns planned on converting him to outside linebacker in the 3-4 scheme then run by former head coach Romeo Crennel.

    Savage knew Baltimore GM Ozzie Newsome, his former boss, coveted Ngata. Savage asked Crennel, “Do you want the run stopper or the pass rusher?” Crennel gave the nod to the pass rusher. Savage then traded down one spot with his division rival — a taboo move in the NFL. The Ravens paid the bargain price of a sixth-round pick.

    Savage used the sixth round pick on Stanford nose tackle Baba Oshinowo, who played one game for the Browns and had two tackles. Ngata has been a stalwart in the middle of the Ravens’ defense and has made two Pro Bowl appearances.

    Wimbley tried hard to make the trade look like a good move. He started in his second NFL game and proceeded to set a Browns rookie record with 11 sacks in 2006. But he slumped to five and four over the next two years.

    Wimbley showed a resurgence under coach Eric Mangini in 2009 with 6.5 sacks and seemed to be expanding his game as an every-down linebacker in the 3-4 defensive system.

    Wimbley may have been the most athletic and productive player on the defense other than tackle Shaun Rogers. He was third on the team with 68 tackles in 2009, first in sacks with 6.5 and added one forced fumble.

    ESPN reported that the Browns had multiple offers for Wimbley, but none was better than the Raiders’ third-round pick.

    If no linebackers are added, it’s possible the Browns would line up Marcus Benard, a 2009 undrafted free agent, in Wimbley’s weakside outside post. Matt Roth, a restricted free agent, could be the other outside linebacker. Or newly signed free agent Scott Fujita, formerly of New Orleans, could join the mix.”

  • Nnamdi21

    There was a reason Quinn slid on draft day and the Browns made the homne town sympathy selection to their chagrin.

    I hope Quinn is a lage bust in Denver and that we crush him mightly.

    I hope he loses Brandon Marshall to an NFC team and the Broncos don’t get him any line help this draft too.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I just can’t see how you think Morrison will be back.

    I mean, a LB of his so called talents available for 3rd rd pick?

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    same could be said for Wimbley, no?

    3rd rounder is all it took?

    and the Browns replaced him with Scott Fujita?

    yikes!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    We trade for one LB and still have two unsigned and you people are talking about a 3-4 defense?

    lmao come on people

  • Nnamdi21

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    March 15th, 2010 at 7:36 am
    N21: we didn’t play 3-4 last year at all that I can remember

    I doubt Al Davis makes that request and John Marshall has always been a 4-3 DC.

    we can still blitz out of the 4-3. look at Philly!

    thats what we did at times last year sending Mitchell, Scott (from WLB), Routt, Asomugha & Huff.

    we don’t have a 4-3 NT, much less a 3-4 NT!

    throwing Kelly, Bryant or Seymour in the middle of a 3-4 line spells disaster. I’ll pass

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    We certainly did, had and have for years.

    We run it in red zone packages.

    I certainly won’t miss Big Gerard Warren dropping into coverage on those zone blitzes.