JaMarcus vs. Quinn _ twice a year
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, March 15th, 2010 at 7:49 am in Oakland Raiders.
Note: Wrote this on Sunday, putting it aside when the Raiders signed Kamerion Wimbley.
With the news that the Cleveland Browns have traded Brady Quinn to the Cleveland Browns for running back Peyton Hillis and a pair of draft picks, it pits the two quarterbacks rated as the prize catches of the 2007 draft against each other in the AFC West.
Now all JaMarcus Russell and Quinn does is make their respective teams, assuming they both win spots on the 53-man roster.
Realistically, Russell probably has the best chance to start, while Quinn, Cleveland’s 22nd choice in the first round in 2007, is the most likely to make the team.
Huh?
If Russell comes to camp in shape and fares well enough to give Bruce Gradkowski a legitimate comp, he’d probably start based on his $9.45 million salary and status as the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.
Quinn arrives with a relatively modest $700,000 salary, and won’t be given the benefit of the doubt against starter Kyle Orton. Broncos coach Josh McDaniels has already called Orton to alleviate any doubt.
To win the job, Quinn would have to come to camp and be much better than Orton, and there’s been little in his play so far to believe he’s capable of winning the job. Especially with Orton having a year’s head start in the current system. But given his salary, Quinn is being paid on a backup rate and he’d have to be awful to be cut.
As it turns out, the hot quarterback from the 2007 draft is Kevin Kolb, a much sought-after backup to Donovan McNabb. Kolb, a second-round pick and No. 36 overall, will replace Donovan McNabb at some point _ unless another team manages to pry him from the Eagles with a significant trade offer.
Seems unlikely the Eagles would go to training camp with McNabb, Kolb and Michael Vick all on the roster.
The rest of the quarterback class of 2007 after Russell, Quinn and Kolb:
Second round, No. 40 overall: John Beck, BYU (Miami)
Second round, No. 43 overall: Drew Stanton, Michigan State (Detroit)
Third round, No. 92 overall: Trent Edwards, Stanford (Buffalo)
Fifth round, No. 151 overall: Jeff Rowe, Nevada-Reno (Cincinnati)
Fifth round, No. 174 overall: Troy Smith, Ohio State (Baltimore)
Sixth round, No. 205 overall: Jordan Palmer, Texas-El Paso (Washington)
Seventh round, No. 217 overall: Tyler Thigpen, Coastal Carolina (Minnesota)
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March 15th, 2010 at 7:51 am
1st!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:54 am
at least we arent paying Jake Delhomme 7mil
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I’d rather pay 7 mil for Delhomme than 9.5 mil for Russell
sorry BCZ!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:56 am
Comments from mostly Cleveland fans on PFT re: Wimbley
Duan says:
March 14, 2010 7:10 PM
that’s an hell of a steal to get Wimbley!
That’s a bargain!
Sandra Lee’s Cans says:
March 14, 2010 7:13 PM
I don’t know what the hell the last paragraph of MDS’s post means, but I would have thought Wimbley was one guy on the team worth more than a 3rd rounder and nothing else.
jimmy_b says:
March 14, 2010 7:22 PM
I’m assuming the $7.765 million buyback for 2011 is the reason they could only get a 3rd round pick.
ispysomething7 says:
March 14, 2010 7:22 PM
Appreaently, Savages’ draft picks are going less than a garage sale would get. My god the market knows the Browns can’t draft.
Big Jake says:
March 14, 2010 7:25 PM
Celebrating the most are the RBs of the AFC West who will be carrying Kam for five extra yards per play.
brownsfn says:
March 14, 2010 7:28 PM
Not surprising that a “number of teams” were interested…Wimbley is GOOD…the browns have just been missusing him for 4 years now…
27Rice says:
March 14, 2010 7:33 PM
Holmgren is a good head coach but a terrible GM…………he was stripped of those duties in Seattle if I’m not mistaken. Good luck Clowns! PPPPPPFFFGGHHHHAAA!!!!!! Raiders got a steal
JP420 says:
March 14, 2010 7:38 PM
Guys, and girls…SERIOUSLY. Wimbley is a good player, and I am a Browns fan. Kam will flourish in a different enviroment that plays to HIS strengths…He will be great for Oakland and we here in Cleveland will understand that. Kam is a class act and a humble player/dude. Very good addition for the Raiders, and a very exciting opportunity for the Browns. No ill will. I wish him nothing but the best.
The Raiders did not STEAL him. I believe that he is definitely worth a 3rd round pick. Highest bidder wins. Especially in that round. Unfortunately for him, he is Oakland bound…Because he left Cleveland in donig so.
Go Browns.
March 15th, 2010 at 7:56 am
outstanding job Jerry, as usual.
just trade McFadden for McNabb and get it over with!
March 15th, 2010 at 7:59 am
I wish McFadden would be traded to a team with a clue.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Quinn will play?
March 15th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Not as a base for sure, but yes, we do and have run the 3-4 aside from Ryan’s failed attempt to make Sapp a 3-4 DE.
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N21: we didn’t run the 3-4 defense AT ALL last year under John Marshall. thats what I’m saying
no reason to think we would do it this year either unless we fire John Marshall and draft Dan Williams 8th overall. Even then I wouldn’t be convinced…
Al Davis loves pressure from the front 4 alone with man2man defense. Wimbley will be a pass rushing specialist from DE like Burgess, Clemons, Scott (before the switch to WLB) & Ellis were
March 15th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:44 am
We certainly did, had and have for years.
We run it in red zone packages.
I certainly won’t miss Big Gerard Warren dropping into coverage on those zone blitzes.
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you’re thinking of a Rob Ryan defense in Oakland, not a John Marshall defense. sorry bro. not buying it
Marshall also pitched the prevent defense Ryan & Davis loved after it cost us the Week 1 game against SD.
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Not as a base for sure, but yes, we do and have run the 3-4 aside from Ryan’s failed attempt to make Sapp a 3-4 DE.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:04 am
I almost have bracket complete…will post in a bit. Hey now.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:03 am
Not as a base for sure, but yes, we do and have run the 3-4 aside from Ryan’s failed attempt to make Sapp a 3-4 DE.
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N21: we didn’t run the 3-4 defense AT ALL last year under John Marshall. thats what I’m saying
no reason to think we would do it this year either unless we fire John Marshall and draft Dan Williams 8th overall. Even then I wouldn’t be convinced…
Al Davis loves pressure from the front 4 alone with man2man defense. Wimbley will be a pass rushing specialist from DE like Burgess, Clemons, Scott (before the switch to WLB) & Ellis were
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You sir are incorrect.
I KNOW this for a fact but will review 09’s games just to make extra sure.
WE DO RUN A 3-4 PACKAGE.
Yes we are a 4-3 BASE but there are variations. Jeez…
March 15th, 2010 at 8:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:54 am
I’d rather pay 7 mil for Delhomme than 9.5 mil for Russell
sorry BCZ!
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Last 12 starts
JRuss – 145-283 .512 1690yds 8tds and 11ints rating of 62.9
JDelhomme – 195-355 .549 2220yds 9 TDs 23ints rating
of 55.4
And Delhomme is what 5 years older than Russell. Not defending the 9.45 mill we are paying JRussell, but he has far more upside than Delhomme
March 15th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Norco Bob Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Quinn will play?
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Surprised if he starts, but in a year or two I would think so…
March 15th, 2010 at 8:07 am
We all laughed when the Broncos took on Orton last year as a starter, until the season started and he played well…I wouldn’t put it past McDaniels to get the most out of Quinn.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:07 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:54 am
I’d rather pay 7 mil for Delhomme than 9.5 mil for Russell
sorry BCZ!
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Last 12 starts
JRuss – 145-283 .512 1690yds 8tds and 11ints rating of 62.9
JDelhomme – 195-355 .549 2220yds 9 TDs 23ints rating
of 55.4
And Delhomme is what 5 years older than Russell. Not defending the 9.45 mill we are paying JRussell, but he has far more upside than Delhomme
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At least DelHomme had a good season or two I think. Then he tore his shoulder all up and was supposedd to be done wasn’t he?
March 15th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Seymour & Shaughnessy are both base ends. so are Richardson & Gunheim.
this trade for Wimbley gives Al Davis what he wants. A guy who can get after the QB from DE. an athletic freak
I don’t see Wimbley playing exclusively at OLB unless Al Davis puts Trevor Scott at DE to be the pass rushing specialist on passing downs.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Actually dakota, we all laughed at the broncos for starting 6-0 and missing the playoffs.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:10 am
I agree rockstar, I think on obvious passing downs Wimbley will move to DE, with Seymour moving inside to DT.
….and then our opponent will run a draw for 13 yards….
March 15th, 2010 at 8:11 am
I wouldn’t put it past McDaniels to get the most out of Quinn.
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Domer fantasies.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:12 am
Last 12 starts?
you can twist stats to say anything you want, but I’d rather look at the last 3 YEARS than the last 12 games.
Delhomme is better than Russell, and cheaper. IMO
March 15th, 2010 at 8:14 am
I think on obvious passing downs Wimbley will move to DE, with Seymour moving inside to DT.
….and then our opponent will run a draw for 13 yards….
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LOL!
so true. so true
but don’t worry Dakota. Al Davis will still draft McClain, Spikes or Spoon 8th overall.
Throw Seymour or Bryant next to Kelly at DT and presto. Top 10 run defense!
March 15th, 2010 at 8:14 am
We should pick up derek anderson for free, bring him in and let him compete. Hologram should have thrown him in, but no need as he is a FA….
March 15th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:11 am
I wouldn’t put it past McDaniels to get the most out of Quinn.
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Domer fantasies.
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Quinn was a great college QB, but I never wanted the Raiders to take him #1 that year…I saw how most of his longer passes were nothing but underthrows with the WRs stopping and letting the DB run bye…
….but Jimmy Clausen is the real deal….
March 15th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Delhomme has steadily gotten worse. He also played for a MUCH better offensive unit. You can twist Russells #s all you want but he ISNT worse than Delhomme is now. I will be the first to say, Russell sucks, we got swindled and all the negative in the world. Still would rather be paying 9mill on a rookie contract to a 25 year old than 7 million to a 35 year old. Lets not forget, the 12million Delhomme was already guaranteed from Carolina for 2010. Cleveland could have gotten him for 2million for the year.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Quinn is bad, but Russell is awful.
pass on both.
Even guys like Trent Edwards or Tyler Thigpen look like better options right now. very sad
March 15th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Norco Bob Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:04 am
I almost have bracket complete…will post in a bit. Hey now.
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Sorry, don’t click on links in here.
Word, period, hey Now, don’t bother responding
March 15th, 2010 at 8:23 am
BCZ: from 2003-2008 Jake Delhomme was one of the best QB’s in the league
2009 was painfully bad and the team rallied around backup QB Matt Moore. It happens
Russell isn’t a has been, he’s a never was.
Even at 35 years old I think Jake Delhomme has more “potential” to lead the Browns to the playoffs than Russell does in Oakland. Jake is a $7 mil starter. Russell is a $9.5 mil 3rd stringer with weight, motivation and leadership issues
March 15th, 2010 at 8:25 am
Jake has a nickname amongst Vegas Sportsbooks’.
“Shakey Jakey”
The wheels fell off in the Cardinals playoff game, and I don’t think they are ever coming back on
March 15th, 2010 at 8:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010
you’re thinking of a Rob Ryan defense in Oakland, not a John Marshall defense. sorry bro. not buying it
Marshall also pitched the prevent defense Ryan & Davis loved after it cost us the Week 1 game against SD.
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Marshall installed a 3-4 in SF for the 2007 season.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:26 am
the Bengals re-signed safety Roy Williams.
now we’ll have a current safety in the league to compare Mike Mitchell to!
no more Lott, Tatum or Gibson comparisons
March 15th, 2010 at 8:27 am
I still disagree with you RR. Jamarcus Russells ridiculous salary aside, Jake Delhomme is not worth $7 million. When you compare ANYBODYS salary to production ratio they will never approach what Russell is being paid to be lazy. Except Javon Walker. HE sets the bar at an all time high, $930,000.00 a catch. Even HE was shocked at the money he was paid.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Marshall installed a 3-4 in SF for the 2007 season
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you mean 1997 ???
March 15th, 2010 at 8:29 am
I’m not saying Delhomme is a great QB.
just saying that he’s better than Russell.
what starting QB isn’t ???
March 15th, 2010 at 8:31 am
Im not even convinced Delhomme starts for Cleveland. I know Holmgren LOVES Seneca Wallace. I could totally see him starting over Delhomme.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Morning Nation
March 15th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I am no Russell fan, but I think I would take him, salaries aside, under center over Jake.
When Jake is bad, their is nobody worse, including Offthemarcus.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Thats what I was saying Vegas
March 15th, 2010 at 8:34 am
the brownies traded a 2011 7th rounder for Seneca Wallace and gave Jake Delhomme $7 million this year to start.
they didn’t dump Derek Anderson & trade Brady Quinn for next to nothing just to hand the job to Seneca Wallace. that I can assure you
March 15th, 2010 at 8:34 am
Delhomme and Russell are both worthless at this point and are both being paid WAY too much.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:35 am
Troy Smith, or derek anderson…Either QB can be had for a song.
Or we use one of our 3rds and draft Lefevour….
Oh wait we just got ride of one of our thirds for a wimbley….
March 15th, 2010 at 8:36 am
Curious how much of Jake’s $7 million is guaranteed.
If all of it, he is starting week 1. If not, than we shall wait and see
March 15th, 2010 at 8:36 am
I can see Seneca out playing Jake in camp. Hell I could see the waterboy outplaying Jake.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:36 am
So out of all our “QB’s” who do we have under contract?
March 15th, 2010 at 8:36 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:17 am
Delhomme has steadily gotten worse. He also played for a MUCH better offensive unit. You can twist Russells #s all you want but he ISNT worse than Delhomme is now. I will be the first to say, Russell sucks, we got swindled and all the negative in the world. Still would rather be paying 9mill on a rookie contract to a 25 year old than 7 million to a 35 year old. Lets not forget, the 12million Delhomme was already guaranteed from Carolina for 2010. Cleveland could have gotten him for 2million for the year
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“Smash and Dash” combo of DeAngleo Williams and Jonathan Stewart had them 3rd in the league in rushing for 2008 and he had Steve Smith.
DelHomme’s miracle Tommy John’s surgery revived his career, but man, he fell off a cliff in 09′.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:37 am
Troy Smith, will cost you a 5th rounder. Has a good knowledge of Hue Jackson, as he groomed both Smith, and Flacco.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:37 am
I love how you guys like to argue about which turd stinks less…Garbagekowski or Russell, Russell or Delhomme, Cable or Shell or Norv…
lol
March 15th, 2010 at 8:38 am
But score a win for having the most pointless discussion of the day. Arguing between a pile of sh1t and a pile of sh1t with chocolate sprinkles on it. I don’t want either.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Serek anderson, had no one to throw the rock to at clevelend. Look at the year he made the pro bowl what his WR corp looked like. Add to the fact that cleveland is the midwest version of the raiders. well almost, they have a traditinally structured org, where the GM and owner are 2 diffrent people…
March 15th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Sorry meant Derek Anderson…
March 15th, 2010 at 8:39 am
My turd smells like a rose Dakota. Think I can shine it up and sell it to Al for a few mill?
March 15th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Thec,
Hue also knows about Smith, so if Kiffin can get Al to make a move for Denagelo, you got to think he could pull off a 5th rounder for Smith.
You saw what Quinn and Shaun Smith went for. A 5th for Troy might be too steep in this current marketplace.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:40 am
funny that every Raider fan on the planet saw Russell get outplayed by guys like Bruce & Charlie who probably would have had a tough time cracking any other team’s 53 man roster.
now we’re going to suggest that the same Russell is better than the guy who led the Panthers to the playoffs 3 times in 6 healthy years, including a Super Bowl?
gimme a break.
if you don’t like jake, thats fine. but to say he’s worse than JaMarcus is completely trash!
March 15th, 2010 at 8:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Marshall installed a 3-4 in SF for the 2007 season
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you mean 1997 ???
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http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2010/2/15/1311685/the-time-is-right-raiders-should
“Finally consider that DC, John Marshall, knows the 3-4; he helped install it in S.F. when they converted to it in ‘07.”
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No, HE means 97′.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Hey at least we are arguing about FOOTBALL… I know that is ridiculous to consider on a football blog. I guess we would be much better off if we were arguing about race, religion, politics are the members sexual orientation. Bunch of Douchebags we are for talking about football.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Jake is old Rockstar, nobody is comparing the CAREERS of the two, it is, in our opinion, who would be better in 2010.
I don’t think Jake has anything left in the tank.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Vegas, Okay dont give up a fifth for Smith, give up a 5th in 2012, or a 7th in 2010. He would be a better option than what we have on the books so far.
I dont think we will be running the same offense with a new OCO… Hue will bring his style of offense which means learning a whole new book, and terminology. Hell for that matter we could draft a rookie…
March 15th, 2010 at 8:43 am
vegas raider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:40 am
Thec,
Hue also knows about Smith, so if Kiffin can get Al to make a move for Denagelo, you got to think he could pull off a 5th rounder for Smith.
You saw what Quinn and Shaun Smith went for. A 5th for Troy might be too steep in this current marketplace.
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In a QB driven league? I think he’s gonna be very good. Worth a 5th.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:44 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Hey at least we are arguing about FOOTBALL… I know that is ridiculous to consider on a football blog. I guess we would be much better off if we were arguing about race, religion, politics are the members sexual orientation. Bunch of Douchebags we are for talking about football.
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Word.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:45 am
N21: I don’t care what John Marshall did 13 years ago with the 49ers (if thats even true).
what has he done since then with Carolina, Detroit, Seattle & Oakland?
4-3 defense
March 15th, 2010 at 8:45 am
RR I didnt say Russell was better than Delhomme in his prime. I said Russell today is better than Delhomme today. I didnt actually even say that but, it got twisted into that, which is ok, because that is what I believe. A 25year old Jamarcus Russell will be a better QB in 2010 than a 35 year old Jake Delhomme. Quote me on it.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:45 am
vegas raider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Jake is old Rockstar, nobody is comparing the CAREERS of the two, it is, in our opinion, who would be better in 2010.
I don’t think Jake has anything left in the tank.
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Agreed.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Hey, which turd tastes better, the one with the corn in it or the one with the nuts in it?
March 15th, 2010 at 8:46 am
Jake is old Rockstar, nobody is comparing the CAREERS of the two, it is, in our opinion, who would be better in 2010.
I don’t think Jake has anything left in the tank.
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Vegas: people said the same thing about Jeff Garcia last year and i’m pretty sure he could have done better than 3 TD’s & 17 turnovers last year!
March 15th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Nmamdi21,
This isn’t basketball where guys are measured on their “potential” and “upside”.
Smith hasn’t thrown 80 NFL passes yet. You can get guys who have thrown hundreds of passes for less. That’s why there has been activity on them and none for Smith.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Dakota crapped corn and I dont care…
March 15th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Where is JP, and Frye????
Where do they stand?
1. Troy Smith
2. Grads
3. JRUSS
March 15th, 2010 at 8:47 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:45 am
N21: I don’t care what John Marshall did 13 years ago with the 49ers (if thats even true).
what has he done since then with Carolina, Detroit, Seattle & Oakland?
4-3 defense
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So fuh-king what? Just admit it. You’re wrong. We do play a 3-4 package. Deal with it and move on.
We also run a wolverine package now and again too. A 5-2 on and on.
4-3 is our base yes. we don’t play it EXCLUSIVELY as you seem to be suggesting.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:50 am
Derek Anderson, is a FA. He was a pro bowler a couple of years ago. He had zero to throw to at cleveland.
He has throw a ton of passes, i would take a flyer on him.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:51 am
I havent seen it Nnam, not saying it doesnt happen. Just saying I havent seen it. Im sure at some point we run a 3-4, 4-3, 4-6, nickle, dime, dollar, quarter and a myriad of other “formations”. I have never seen us line up in a 3-4. I have never seen a million bucks either, but I know we gave Russell a whole bunch of those.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Just admit it. You’re wrong. We do play a 3-4 package. Deal with it and move on.
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so because you found an article from a silverandblackpride website that says Marshall coached a 3-4 defense 13 years ago, it proves he also ran a 3-4 defense in Oakland last year?
nice logic there N21!
LOL!
March 15th, 2010 at 8:53 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:51 am
I havent seen it Nnam, not saying it doesnt happen. Just saying I havent seen it. Im sure at some point we run a 3-4, 4-3, 4-6, nickle, dime, dollar, quarter and a myriad of other “formations”. I have never seen us line up in a 3-4. I have never seen a million bucks either, but I know we gave Russell a whole bunch of those.
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Lol, we sure did. Hope we get some return out of it. Do or die for Russell in Oakland.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:54 am
BCZ: I’ve seen a 3-4 defense in Oakland under Rob Ryan, but not John Marshall.
It simply didn’t happen last year.
Not saying it won’t, but it hasn’t yet and I’d be very surprised if it did …
March 15th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Derek Anderson? Why thec? Was it his 2 for 17 performance in the 6-3 win over the Bills that caught your eye?
March 15th, 2010 at 8:55 am
We dont have the personal to run a 3-4. I am pretty sure Al Davis invented the 4-3 after he invented football and passing. We arent going to switch.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Derek Anderson (like Troy Smith & Jake Delhomme) is a better QB than JaMarcus Russell …
March 15th, 2010 at 8:56 am
The whole 4-3 or 3-4 is a tired argument.
Even teams in those system usually only run it on first and second downs.
3rd down Defense is a whole another ball of wax with all kinds of personnel changes, and short yardage is short yardage whether 3-4 or 4-3 or 4-6 or whatever.
You have a base you run maybe, MAYBE, 50% of the time. 3rd down, short-yardage, 2 minute and late in game situations all are different.
March 15th, 2010 at 8:58 am
So we may have lined up in a 3-4 defense 10 times last year….so what? Does that mean we have to talk about how our players perform in a 3-4 defense or should we instead review them based on the 4-3 defense that we play 99% of the time?
What is next….are we going to start debating our Wildcat offense? You know, we ran that one four times last season too!
March 15th, 2010 at 8:59 am
What about Andra Davis in the middle of our D????????
March 15th, 2010 at 8:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:51 am
Just admit it. You’re wrong. We do play a 3-4 package. Deal with it and move on.
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so because you found an article from a silverandblackpride website that says Marshall coached a 3-4 defense 13 years ago, it proves he also ran a 3-4 defense in Oakland last year?
nice logic there N21!
LOL!
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*sigh*
Thats not what I was implying and you know it.
You’re the idiot ranting about Marshall’s a 4-3 guy and theres now way we would ever line up in a 3-4 because hey, Marshall’s 4-3 guy so theres no way Oakland EVER ran a 3-4 package last year cuz Marshall, well, he’s 4-3 guy so theres no way I’m ever wrong about anything so I’ll grasp at fuh-king straws and then try to point out how you’re wrong by misleading and twisting things until the real point is obscured by your crapulence.
Yep, your right.
Fine have it your way.
The Oakland Raiders never ran one single solitary p-lay on dfense last year that wasn’t exclusively a 4-3 base.
Yup.
There ye be.
And the reason?
Cuz Marshall’s a 4-3 guy.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Hey I think we missed the boat on the Wildcat. The current NFL Wildcat is only in existance because of Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. McBush with DHB on the end around HAS to be more effective than ANYTHING Russell does, ‘cept for fluke 80yd tds to a TE
March 15th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Derek Anderson? Why thec? Was it his 2 for 17 performance in the 6-3 win over the Bills that caught your eye?
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Of course yeah thats it, he fits in like your humour…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:02 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Derek Anderson (like Troy Smith & Jake Delhomme) is a better QB than JaMarcus Russell …
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Gillian Anderson (like Will Smith & Jake Gyllenhaal) is a better QB than JusFukedus Russell…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:02 am
Caught my eye… 2-17 and he WON…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:02 am
LMMFAO!!! Great post Raider75
March 15th, 2010 at 9:02 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Hey I think we missed the boat on the Wildcat. The current NFL Wildcat is only in existance because of Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. McBush with DHB on the end around HAS to be more effective than ANYTHING Russell does, ‘cept for fluke 80yd tds to a TE
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Of course we did….but do you really believe Tom Cable was/is capable of installing and running that offense?
We are burdened with a retard at HC….makes us miss the boat on a lot of things…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:03 am
N21:
it takes a big man to admit when he’s wrong. I’m proud of you
If the Raiders wanted to run a 3-4 they should have kept Rob Ryan and got him the right personnel, but once again … Al Davis chooses players over coaches
March 15th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:58 am
So we may have lined up in a 3-4 defense 10 times last year….so what? Does that mean we have to talk about how our players perform in a 3-4 defense or should we instead review them based on the 4-3 defense that we play 99% of the time?
What is next….are we going to start debating our Wildcat offense? You know, we ran that one four times last season too!
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Yeah agreed.
The fact is, barring the unforseen, it’ll be a 4-3 BASE next year.
But some of you will be paying attention when they line up in that 3-4 next year won’t you?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:03 am
Track andersons production when he had edwards, and winslow….
What was he working with this year?
He would be a vastly better QB than JRUSS..
March 15th, 2010 at 9:05 am
FROM ADAM SCHEFTER’S TWITTER PAGE:
“Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.”
Sounds good for a 3rd round pick.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Raider75 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:02 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Derek Anderson (like Troy Smith & Jake Delhomme) is a better QB than JaMarcus Russell …
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Gillian Anderson (like Will Smith & Jake Gyllenhaal) is a better QB than JusFukedus Russell…
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Hot little red head that Gillian…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:06 am
some of you will be paying attention when they line up in that 3-4 next year won’t you?
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let me know when that happens.
I’ll buy you a candy bar
March 15th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Anderson is garbage. He had one good season before anyone knew who he was. Hasn’t been good since. Watched him a few times in 2009 and his passes were more inaccurate than JaMarcus’. No reason to go there.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:06 am
Chris in NY Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:05 am
FROM ADAM SCHEFTER’S TWITTER PAGE:
“Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.”
Sounds good for a 3rd round pick.
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As long as one of the coaches that texted wasn’t Mangina!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Good morning all.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:02 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Hey I think we missed the boat on the Wildcat. The current NFL Wildcat is only in existance because of Darren McFadden and Felix Jones. McBush with DHB on the end around HAS to be more effective than ANYTHING Russell does, ‘cept for fluke 80yd tds to a TE
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Of course we did….but do you really believe Tom Cable was/is capable of installing and running that offense?
We are burdened with a retard at HC….makes us miss the boat on a lot of things…
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Burdened with a “retarded” sophomore head coach who was also line coach, play caller, head coach, water boy, ect ect.
Too many hats and yeah, all of them suffred because he was over stretched.
Hopefully Hue helps, but if he’s limited by some of our players only knowing 1/3rd or less of the play book…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:09 am
We are burdened with a retard at HC….makes us miss the boat on a lot of things…
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LOL. Hopefully Hue Jackson can do some damage control. Tom Cable can go back to coaching the line and playing the role of cheerleader.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Who were the coaches that texted Adam Schefter?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:06 am
some of you will be paying attention when they line up in that 3-4 next year won’t you?
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let me know when that happens.
I’ll buy you a candy bar
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Make it a toblerone and wedge it sideways in your back puzz-ee
March 15th, 2010 at 9:10 am
FROM ADAM SCHEFTER’S TWITTER PAGE:
“Some coaches in AFC West texted they’re very relieved that DT Gerard Warren is out of their division. Warren is now FatBurger’s problem.”
March 15th, 2010 at 9:12 am
We should not limit our playbook based on what Jamarcus can and cant remember. If he doesnt know the playbook he doesnt play. Thats easy. Hue should tell the offense, this is the playbook, learn it or go home.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:12 am
N21: such an angry little fella, aren’t you?
why don’t you go smoke some with Bobby …
March 15th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Andra Davis in the middle????????????
March 15th, 2010 at 9:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:12 am
N21: such an angry little fella, aren’t you?
why don’t you go smoke some with Bobby …
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Not at all me lady and I’m waaaay ahead of you. You’re just an annoying bish who can’t admit he doesn’t know what he’s talking about…puff puff over it.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:15 am
DMAC: I’d take Andra Davis & Antonio Pierce in free agency
…if Kirk Morrison finds a new team
March 15th, 2010 at 9:16 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Dakota crapped corn and I dont care…
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LMAO!! Don’t bother responding.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:17 am
I think cpt. Kirk is going to the G Men.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:19 am
N21: LOL!
so is that how you are in real life?
you try to act tough to people after making a fool of yourself?
other than insults you’ve got nothing. this is an internet blog. trying to act like a bad boy only makes you look like less of a man in real life
March 15th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Draft scout quote Troy Smith’s agent “He (Troy) would crawl from Baltimore right now to be able to play in Cleveland.
Wouldn’t that be something if they took him.
If not for an untimely flu and the rookie success of Flacco, Smith would likely have won the starter spot in Baltimore.
Hope Smith gets his shot.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Why didnt we run at Pierce? Wimbley????
Dizzying the move this org does….
March 15th, 2010 at 9:21 am
I think Wimbley replaces Ellis.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Trade DMAC for a lucid bish!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:22 am
I think Wimbley replaces Ellis.
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Jhill said that earlier. I think you guys are right on
However, I’d hate to see Shaughnessy or Seymour come off the field in favor of a pass rushing specialist.
Teams will run the ball right at him, like Trevor Scott at DE …
March 15th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Trade DMAC for Marshawn Lynch!!!!
Thats the only trade that should be happening.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:26 am
Raiders re-signed QB Charlie Frye, a restricted free agent, to a one-year, $1.226 million contract.
Frye, 29 before the season, appeared in three games last year, completing 60.9% of his passes with a career-best 6.7 YPA but posting a 1:4 TD-to-INT ratio. He won’t be higher than No. 3 on the depth chart if he makes the team.
Source: David White on Twitter
March 15th, 2010 at 9:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:19 am
N21: LOL!
so is that how you are in real life?
you try to act tough to people after making a fool of yourself?
other than insults you’ve got nothing. this is an internet blog. trying to act like a bad boy only makes you look like less of a man in real life
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I’ve got nothing?
Only the truth and the knowledge I’m right and your wrong.
Not that your worthless, baseless opinions mean anything cuz they don’t.
I, btw am trained in counter sniper techniques
Surviving edged weapons,
Advanced combat shotgun theory
Adavanced pistol craft
Weapons retention / disarm techniques
Escape and evasion driving
Personal defense sprays instructor
Martial arts and street fighting
and countless other disiplines so yeah, Polly Anna, I AM not only a bad boy, I’m a bad mother ****er.
How exactly did I make a fool of myself? By pointing out that you don’t know what you’re talking about?
You’re right, I shouldn’t deride people on the net. I find it unsavory to bash on the mentally challenged no matter how condescending or obnoxious or WRONG they may be.
Done wit it.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:28 am
DMAC Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Trade DMAC for Marshawn Lynch!!!!
Thats the only trade that should be happening.
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If not, you know, for the fact that if Lynch gets arrested one more time he’s out of the league.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Everybody knows that players who can get to the QB are more valuable than ever, this is a passing league and the Raiders did well in getting another outside rusher.
Mike Waufle did a good job in NY with a similar player in Osi Umenyioura, so Wimbley should get a decent shot to fulfill his potential
Don’t get caught up with the position argument, his job will be to line up outside and rush the passer every time he’s on the field, much like D. Burguess used to do.
This move was not meant to help the rush defense, stop looking at it from that angle, I don’t know what they’ll do to shore up that area but this was not it.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Jabustus vs. The Great Quinn – Great topic for a post. We could also call it Dumb vs. dumber; Who has the biggest bust; My guy is a bigger loser than yours; etc., etc., etc.
Obviously a slow news day.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:29 am
DMAC Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:17 am
I think cpt. Kirk is going to the G Men.
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Might be a fit.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Lynch is a mommas boy. She’ll slap some since into him.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Bob Marley Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Everybody knows that players who can get to the QB are more valuable than ever, this is a passing league and the Raiders did well in getting another outside rusher.
Mike Waufle did a good job in NY with a similar player in Osi Umenyioura, so Wimbley should get a decent shot to fulfill his potential
Don’t get caught up with the position argument, his job will be to line up outside and rush the passer every time he’s on the field, much like D. Burguess used to do.
This move was not meant to help the rush defense, stop looking at it from that angle, I don’t know what they’ll do to shore up that area but this was not it
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One thing that could help the rush defenseis for the offense to sustain drives and put the ball in the end zone more than every other week.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:31 am
* Players rolling into Oakland for 1st day of voluntary workouts … Tyvon Branch, Jon Condo, but will JaMarcus show?
* Another Kamerion Wimbley note: he played for Raiders LB coach Mike Haluchak his 11-sack rookie year.
* Darrius Heyward-Bey says his injured foot is healthy again, he likes West Virginia in the tourney.
* Raiders QB Charlie Frye signed his original-round tender, just showed up for work.
-David White (twitter)
March 15th, 2010 at 9:31 am
If not for an untimely flu and the rookie success of Flacco, Smith would likely have won the starter spot in Baltimore.
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This is VERY VERY debatable. He was set to start the 3rd preseason game, and got sick. If he would have likely won the gig, why wasn’t he starting the first 2 preseason games? Or at least one of the two?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:33 am
“One thing that could help the rush defense is for the offense to sustain drives and put the ball in the end zone more than every other week.”
Nnamdi21…
Right on.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:34 am
Darrius Heyward-Bey confirmed Monday that the foot injury that sidelined him late last season has healed.
Source: David White on Twitter
I think it was healed after 2 weeks though.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:36 am
Good to know DHB likes WV in the tourney, lol.
His Terps got a 4 seed, no love for his alma mater?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:36 am
nobody cares what b.s. you post about your personal life on an internet blog man.
i’m a doctor, lawyer and pro scout. see how easy that is?
the point was, you have nothing to prove your point that the Raiders ran a 3-4 defense under John Marshall last year. how does insulting somebody prove your point? it doesn’t. it’s a waste of your time and mine and it only makes you look stupid.
stay classy N21.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:37 am
How about this thought. Will the Dolphins take Tim Tebow for the Wildcat?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Georgia Tech FS Morgan Burnett was timed in the low 4.4 range in the forty-yard dash at the Yellow Jackets’ Monday Pro Day.
Uh Oh……….
Might be on Al’s radar, for a 2nd round pick.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:27 am
I, btw am trained in counter sniper techniques
Surviving edged weapons,
Advanced combat shotgun theory
Adavanced pistol craft
Weapons retention / disarm techniques
Escape and evasion driving
Personal defense sprays instructor
Martial arts and street fighting
and countless other disiplines so yeah, Polly Anna, I AM not only a bad boy, I’m a bad mother ****er.
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Give Javon Walker a call, he could use some security while in Vegas…..he can certainly afford it.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:38 am
Go W’s tonight!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:39 am
JaMarcus Vs. Quinnn….
That’s like Kenny vs. Jimmy on South Park…
Or Sarah Palin and George W. Bush having a spelling Bee.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:39 am
* FS Hiram Eugene hasn’t signed his 2nd-round tender, but did sign release form allowing him to work out w/team, he says.
* Johnnie Holland says he’s going back to WR after last year’s in-season move to CB in Oakland.
-David White (twitter)
PLAYOFFS!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Timmy vs. Jimmy, actually. My bad.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:39 am
Ghost to the Post Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:37 am
How about this thought. Will the Dolphins take Tim Tebow for the Wildcat?
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Thats why they took Pat White last year.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:40 am
Dolphins are not taking Tebow. Bill Parcells takes team building seriously.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:40 am
March 15th, 2010 at 9:27 am
I, btw am trained in counter sniper techniques
Surviving edged weapons,
Advanced combat shotgun theory
Adavanced pistol craft
Weapons retention / disarm techniques
Escape and evasion driving
Personal defense sprays instructor
Martial arts and street fighting
and countless other disiplines so yeah, Polly Anna, I AM not only a bad boy, I’m a bad mother ****er.
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Oh, hey you forgot to list your Jedi Knight training with Master Windu….
March 15th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:27 am
I, btw am trained in counter sniper techniques
Surviving edged weapons,
Advanced combat shotgun theory
Adavanced pistol craft
Weapons retention / disarm techniques
Escape and evasion driving
Personal defense sprays instructor
Martial arts and street fighting
and countless other disiplines so yeah, Polly Anna, I AM not only a bad boy, I’m a bad mother ****er.
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Give Javon Walker a call, he could use some security while in Vegas…..he can certainly afford it.
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Are you kidding me? If I saw Walker in Vegas he’d need to hire security to protect him FROM ME! lol!
“Worst FA signing ever”
March 15th, 2010 at 9:41 am
Give Javon Walker a call, he could use some security while in Vegas…..he can certainly afford it.
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LOL!!
yeah. all that stuff certainly makes him correct in an argument about the 3-4 defense too.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Bob Marley, it’s a passing league because most playoff teams play the run well. If you’re weak against the run, even teams that don’t run the ball will run it down your throat.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Someone needs to find out if DHB had hand transplant surgery in the offseason….it was his best and only hope for 2010.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:43 am
Bill Parcells takes team building seriously.
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oh yeah. thats why he gave Gibril Wilson a monster contract after we dumped him …
March 15th, 2010 at 9:43 am
123.Bob Marley Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:33 am
“One thing that could help the rush defense is for the offense to sustain drives and put the ball in the end zone more than every other week.”
Nnamdi21…
Right on.
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Man, I can’t remember exactly, but at one point we were like 260 snaps without a TD from our offense.
Might have been last year or the year before but thats just brutal…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:43 am
Bcz, you said we have a playbook. lol.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:43 am
How about some stick’em!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:44 am
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:40 am
March 15th, 2010 at 9:27 am
I, btw am trained in counter sniper techniques
Surviving edged weapons,
Advanced combat shotgun theory
Adavanced pistol craft
Weapons retention / disarm techniques
Escape and evasion driving
Personal defense sprays instructor
Martial arts and street fighting
and countless other disiplines so yeah, Polly Anna, I AM not only a bad boy, I’m a bad mother ****er.
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Oh, hey you forgot to list your Jedi Knight training with Master Windu….
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I’ve forgotten more about killing people than Windu ever knew.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:45 am
with the signings of Yamon Figurs, Shaun Bodiford, Paul Hubbard in addition to Holland moving back to WR we’ve got plenty of candidates to replace Javon Walker as the scout team WR.
plus Nick Miller should be healthy by Week 16, right DMAC?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Rockstar, Wilson’s not a bad player. He was just in a bad scheme here. Now he’s on a real defense with a real scheme. He’s worth the money. Are you questioning Bill Parcells expertise when it comes to building football teams? He built one team that was in the playoffs last season. Al Davis hasn’t built a playoff team since, well, if you want to count times where he didn’t have Ron Wolf or Jon Gruden, never.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
I would suprised if Bruce ISN’T there and suprised if Jamarcus IS there, today.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Looks like a lot of 3-4 type players in Oakland now . Do they get a NT this year some how.????
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Yeah, Miller is good to go week 16.
LMAO
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Wilson was the only decent player Al picked up in his desperate shopping spree in ‘08. Our defense is just so archaic that it makes safeties look bad.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Wilson’s not a bad player. He was just in a bad scheme here. Now he’s on a real defense with a real scheme. He’s worth the money. Are you questioning Bill Parcells expertise when it comes to building football teams?
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MR: Miami cut Gibril on 03/05/2010
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Vegas, what’s our backup plan for when Bruce gets injured in like week 3?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:48 am
Al Davis has won 4 playoff games since the last time Parcells won one.
Just saying.
I think the Tuna hasn’t won one in over ten years.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:48 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Vegas, what’s our backup plan for when Bruce gets injured in like week 3?
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What’s the Saints and Colts plan?
Our’s is the same, hope like hell it doesn’t happen.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:49 am
what’s our backup plan for when Bruce gets injured in like week 3?
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Charlie Frye!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Hey, we are keeping our schytty QB! Vegas should be pleased…
Bruce Gradkowski: Raiders keep RFA quarterback Gradkowski
Bruce Gradkowski – QB – OAK – Mar. 15 – 1:40 pm et
Raiders re-signed restricted free agent QB Bruce Gradkowski to a one-year, $1.759 million contract.
Undersized and weak armed but athletic and fiery, Gradkowski is considered the favorite to start for quarterback-starved Oakland in 2010. The Raiders will supposedly hold a competition at the position, but Gradkowski is a mortal lock to win if the coaching staff makes the decision. Owner Al Davis, of course, could always step in and install JaMarcus Russell at any time. Mar. 15 – 1:40 pm et
Source: Ralph Cindrich on Twitter
March 15th, 2010 at 9:51 am
What’s the Saints and Colts plan?
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trade the walrus for Chase Daniel or Curtis Painter!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:51 am
Vegas, I know Al Davis is your hero but Bill Parcells built a team that was in the playoffs last year. Al Davis hasn’t built a playoff team in his life. Only Wolf and Gruden have.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:52 am
Vegas, let’s hope Bruce doesn’t get hurt? LOL. Do you honestly believe there’s a possibility Bruce won’t get hurt?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:53 am
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Hey, we are keeping our schytty QB
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That’s Mr. Schytty QB to you!!!!!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 9:53 am
For those not familiar with advanced blog dork speak, here is a translation:
“counter sniper techniques” – crying when a punk kid hits me in the head with a frisbee
“surviving edged weapons” – putting a bandage on my pinkie after a painful paper cut
“advanced combat shotgun theory” – taking a nap in the front seat of my mom’s car while she’s driving through scary traffic
“advanced pistol craft” – masterbating 16 times a day
“weapons retention / disarm techniques” – when my mom hides the lotion so I can’t masterbate 16 times a day
“escape and evasion driving” – 2 straight days of playing Need for Speed: Undercover on my X Box
“personal defense sprays instructor” – no explanation available for such an advanced level of blog dorkdom
“martial arts and street fighting” – doing my best Jean Claude Van Damme impression and then getting a wedgie from the 12 year old next door
March 15th, 2010 at 9:53 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
Wilson was the only decent player Al picked up in his desperate shopping spree in ‘08. Our defense is just so archaic that it makes safeties look bad.
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May be onto something there. Takes a while to learn I guess…Branch was really good last year and Huff made strides…finally…
March 15th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Gradkowski can be great. Doesn’t matter. Al Davis finds ways to lose. Russell will eventually start. That’s assuming there’s a miracle and Gradowski and Frye don’t get hurt. But they will.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:54 am
Yeh, Nnamdi, Branch and Huff were awesome last year. And our defense was ranked, what, like 3rd in the league? Yaaah.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:55 am
That’s right, Raider fans think “good” is having one good play, like little league parents.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Good I hope Gradkowski wins next year. We haven’t had hope in the last 7 years and here it is.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Gradkowski could be great. I’m sure opposing defenses will take it easy on him and our porous offensive line. I’m sure they’ll just let him sit back there and throw the ball. That’s definitely how it works in this league. yah.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:58 am
hey Res!
glad you’ve chosen to stick around man.
so whats your take on the Wimbley trade?
March 15th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Open QB competition sure, can’t wait till Cable names Grads starter and about week before opening game Al tells him no he isn’t and Russell starts the season.
March 15th, 2010 at 9:59 am
Why don,t we get Betty White to be our Qb.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:00 am
“The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:42 am
Bob Marley, it’s a passing league because most playoff teams play the run well. If you’re weak against the run, even teams that don’t run the ball will run it down your throat.”
That’s true, you have to be at least decent vs the run or you don’t stand a chance.
But what’s also true is that offensive football is now based on throwing the ball, not running it.
Here’s Bill Cowher:
“The game has changed, the rules have changed,” he said.
“I think right now, I hate to say this, but the running game is a complement. It’s not the foundation that it once was. You look at the last three AFC teams that were in the Super Bowl, that’s Pittsburgh, New England and Indianapolis. They’re all passing teams. The running game is a complement.”
March 15th, 2010 at 10:00 am
NoMoreFargas, best case scenario is that Bruce does start and gets injured by week 3. With our line and playcalling, unfortunately only a QB as big as Russell can take the hits.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Open QB competition sure, can’t wait till Cable names Grads starter and about week before opening game Al tells him no he isn’t and Russell starts the season.
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can you imagine the reaction in the locker room?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:00 am
Senior Beeecham Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:53 am
For those not familiar with advanced blog dork speak, here is a translation:
“counter sniper techniques” – crying when a punk kid hits me in the head with a frisbee
“surviving edged weapons” – putting a bandage on my pinkie after a painful paper cut
“advanced combat shotgun theory” – taking a nap in the front seat of my mom’s car while she’s driving through scary traffic
“advanced pistol craft” – masterbating 16 times a day
“weapons retention / disarm techniques” – when my mom hides the lotion so I can’t masterbate 16 times a day
“escape and evasion driving” – 2 straight days of playing Need for Speed: Undercover on my X Box
“personal defense sprays instructor” – no explanation available for such an advanced level of blog dorkdom
“martial arts and street fighting” – doing my best Jean Claude Van Damme impression and then getting a wedgie from the 12 year old next door
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Cute.
Believe it or not, on occasion, every now and then, some people actually DO let the truth slip about themselves on the inter net.
Last time though, I swear.
Not you of course.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Bob Marley, if you’re weak against the run, there isn’t a team in the league that’s not going to exploit it. No team is going to watch film of a weak run defense they’re playing the following week, and say, “Well, we can’t run the ball, because it’s a passing league”. Oh, except for us, probably.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Senior Beeecham Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:53 am
For those not familiar with advanced blog dork speak, here is a translation:
“counter sniper techniques” – crying when a punk kid hits me in the head with a frisbee
“surviving edged weapons” – putting a bandage on my pinkie after a painful paper cut
“advanced combat shotgun theory” – taking a nap in the front seat of my mom’s car while she’s driving through scary traffic
“advanced pistol craft” – masterbating 16 times a day
“weapons retention / disarm techniques” – when my mom hides the lotion so I can’t masterbate 16 times a day
“escape and evasion driving” – 2 straight days of playing Need for Speed: Undercover on my X Box
“personal defense sprays instructor” – no explanation available for such an advanced level of blog dorkdom
“martial arts and street fighting” – doing my best Jean Claude Van Damme impression and then getting a wedgie from the 12 year old next door
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LMFAO!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Senior Beeecham & Dakota:
I was thinking the same thing …
LOL!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:04 am
When they say it’s a passing league, Marley, what they mean is that you have to pass the ball against the better teams, because most of them are too well equipped in the front 7 to try to set up your offense with a running game on them. It doesn’t mean every team in the league has scratched all of the running plays from their playbook. If a team can’t play the run, nor do they even build for the run, opponents will run the ball on them all day until they can stop it.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Draft Suh & Spikes!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:05 am
So the Colts, Chargers and Cardinals, the three worst rushing offenses, didn’t play a weak run D last year?
Exactly how many rushing yards did the Chargers have against us and our 29th ranked rushing defense?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Well I think that’s exactly what Philly did against us. No Real Madden Raider.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:06 am
You’re reaching, Vegas.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:07 am
If a team can’t play the run, nor do they even build for the run, opponents will run the ball on them all day until they can stop it.
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Chargers played us twice, and the threw the ball way more than they ran it.
Sorry, try again.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:08 am
And that is where the Raiders are completely behind, we can surivive with an average run defense, fight for a playoff spot and maybe get in, but we can’t do that without a somewhat productive passing game which, at this point, we don’t seem close to, to me that’s the biggest obstacle this team faces.
Hue Jackson faces a huge challenge.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:09 am
The passing league term is more refering to the fact that the rules favor passing more.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:10 am
One lone example to the contrary doesn’t refute the overall point, Vegas. You’re reaching. San Diego has owned us for so long that they can just do whatever they want, anyway.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:03 am
Senior Beeecham & Dakota:
I was thinking the same thing …
LOL!
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But didn’t have the balls to say it
March 15th, 2010 at 10:11 am
Ghost to the Post Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:09 am
The passing league term is more refering to the fact that the rules favor passing more.
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That and the fact that 12 teams threw for over 4,000 yds last year.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:11 am
RMR… I know, I said the Raiders have a playbook. I misspoke… That message SHOULD have read, here is our play SHEET, learn all 8 of them or you dont play.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:11 am
That was the first example of the top of my head to refute your point.
I’m sure I could come up with countless other examples, but game already over. I win you lose.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Marley’s talkin’ playoffs! With this offensive line, Marley? U sure?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Philadelphia Vegas, We beat them and they tried to throw the ball when they we’re gashing us with the run.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am
But didn’t have the balls to say it
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sorry internet thug, I thought you were “done wit it” ?
hahaha
March 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am
We need DT, OT, FB, C, MLB, and CB! Word!
1st 3 picks should be DT, OT, and MLB.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:13 am
San Diego completed their transition into New England West last year. The run game is an after thought for them.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:13 am
lol. Relax, Vegas. It’s not that serious.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:13 am
More proof:
“You can talk about running the football all you want, but if you’re going to score points in this league, you better make big plays in the passing game,” said Hall of Fame quarterback and Fox Sports color commentator Troy Aikman.
“…teams that are scoring a lot of points are the teams that are winning big in this league. They’re running the fast-break offense.”.
“I don’t care how well you run the ball or how well you stop the run — if you have to run to score 40 points because your opponents are putting up 40, that’s not easy to do.”
March 15th, 2010 at 10:13 am
I still want Hoover signed!!!!!!!!!
Wake up Al!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:16 am
“The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am
Marley’s talkin’ playoffs! With this offensive line, Marley? U sure?”.
Lol….hold on there..I’m speaking in general terms, not about this particular Raiders team.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Hey RaiderRockstar
I can only come one when I’m not working or busy. But I actually like the Wimbley trade. It gives us a pass rusher whether at OLB or DE.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Marley, the Raiders don’t score points, either. So it doesn’t matter. A run defense at least has to be up to par. Most of the better teams have a solid front 7. It’s hard to run the football against the better teams. That’s why it’s a passing league. You guys have this belief that we don’t have to stop the run on defense, because the mighty Raiders’ offense is going to put up 40 every week, and the other teams are going to be throwing to catch up with us. You guys said that in ‘08 when we took McFadden over Dorsey and Ellis. How’d that work out?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:17 am
“Even though I never saw Marshall’s defense run a 3-4 last year I know it happened!
I beat Call of Duty, so you know I’m right”
March 15th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Never mind, Marley’s not talking playoffs. That’s what I like about him and Vegas, they’re not like the other kool aid drinkers. They’re pragmatic.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:19 am
JaMarcus vs. Quinn: Or, in other words, Dumb and Dumber.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Marshall in some instances lined up 3 down linemen and would overload on side with a blitz much like the Eagles do. But we’re not a 3-4 defense.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:20 am
Who was that coach in Miami who took Ginn Jr. over Quinn? The fans were ready to kill him. Now look. Quinn’s a bust, and that Ginn Jr. is playing good, isn’t he? They owe that guy an apology. But that’s how it goes in this league.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:22 am
MR
I’m not debating your point that if you can’t stop the run, they will run right over you all day long, that’s obvious.
I’m saying that, in my opinion, the Raiders need to develop a decent passing game more than they need a stout rush defense, at least at this point.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Raider O said…
1st 3 picks should be DT, OT, and MLB.
Amen to that, brother.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Ginn Jr is just hanging onto a roster spot, and that is ONLY because of his ability as a returner. As a WR he is a useful as DHB.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:23 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:12 am
But didn’t have the balls to say it
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sorry internet thug, I thought you were “done wit it” ?
hahaha
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Oh, so I’m a thug for pointing out the fact you’re a little bish?
Yes.
You are sorry.
And the fact of the matter is, all joking aside, you were wrong about the Raiders D being exclusively 4-3 every play every down.
Thats the point.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Man, Jerry you are weak lmao. You see all those updates David White gives us???? Come on man get on the ball!!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:25 am
you were wrong about the Raiders D being exclusively 4-3 every play every down.
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I never said that. I said the Raiders didn’t run a 3-4 last year
get it straight, internet gangsta
March 15th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I agree, Marley. But to have a good passing game, you have to have a good line. Our line is a train wreck, and Al is in denial of it. The way he sees it, we’re already up the creek, might as well paddle. You can’t take that approach with an offensive line.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:17 am
“Even though I never saw Marshall’s defense run a 3-4 last year I know it happened!
I beat Call of Duty, so you know I’m right”
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Raidercockscar:
“Even though I never watched all of the Raiders games last year I think I know everything!”
You are wrong me lady.
Simply deal with fact you got your azz schooled.
Jayzuz, we’re still on about this because you can’t admit you don’t have a clue.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I remember Davis speaking glowingly of Ted Ginn during Kiffin’s hiring press conference. Good thing he got snapped up by Miami or we’d have to runner with no hands who happened to try to play receiver.
At least we have guys who can challenge Usain Bolt in the Olympics.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Bong Water Killer!!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:27 am
Anyone else surprised that giants fans are happy they might be getting morrison?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:28 am
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports there was no visible sign of JaMarcus Russell as the Raiders began offseason voluntary workouts.
When asked if he’ll show today, one starter laughed and said “That’s a horror show.” Another starter said “don’t hold your breath.”
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/4345/No-sign-of-JaMarcus-Russell-at-Raiders–offseason-workouts/Default.aspx
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And is this a surprise to anyone? He is probably still at the buffet loading up. Cut this jack azz NOW.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:28 am
How dare you mutter Usain Bolt’s name on this blog. If Al drafts him this year I am holding you personally responsible RaiderRes…
March 15th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Jamarcus never worked hard ever! Even in college he never worked hard. He played jump ball with Dwayne Bowe and Early Doucet. He can’t play quarterback for shyt.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Let me put it this way, I’m talking Raiders now:
Stand pat on Defense and get this team to the 18th to 15th range in passing offense (with the obvious scoring improvement that would provide) and we win 3 maybe 4 more games next year.
Stand pat on Offense (a passing game that led to a 12 ppg average) and improve to the 18th to 15th range in rush defense and we still win 4 to 6 games tops.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Besides if we drafted Ginn JR we would have a fast receiver who cant catch, but is a very dangerous returner… instead of DHB who cant catch and… well he cant catch. Thats it.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:31 am
here we go with the insults again. why am I not surprised?
prove to me that the Raiders ran a 3-4 defense under Marshall last year.
and prove to me how anything in post #114 relates to Marshall, the Raiders, a 3-4 defense or anything football related.
I’ll wait. Take your time 50 cent
March 15th, 2010 at 10:31 am
This team needs to be rebuilt.
I’m sorry. We’re not ready. A couple more skillz players is not going to do it.
We need to start from the core.
Needs:
General Manager
Head Coach
Coaching Staff
Quarterback
Offensive Line
At least two more run stoppers in the defensive front 7
A veteran wide receiver. Bring someone out of retirement if you have to. Anyone who can run a hook and catch the ball.
Running back that can take a hit, run to the outside. Receiving ability a plus.
We are at zero. We just have a good cornerback, tight end, and a good punter, linebackers decent in pass coverage..but we don’t have the nucleus. You can’t win more than 5 games with this kind of system.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:32 am
No sign of JaMarcus Russell at Raiders’ workouts
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 15, 2010 2:13 PM ET
The Oakland Raiders began their voluntary offseason workout program today. There was no sign of their franchise quarterback, JaMarcus Russell.
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that quarterbacks Charlie Frye (who signed his original draft pick tender) and Bruce Gradkowski (who has spent plenty of time at team facilities rehabbing a knee injury) both showed up. But White didn’t spot Russell.
Russell isn’t exactly known for his work ethic, so it’s no surprise if he’s not going to do any more work than he has to. One player laughed and told White that Russell is “a horror show,” while another said, “don’t hold your breath.”
Last year Russell missed the first week of the offseason program but did participate in a lot of it after that. Since then he’s been diagnosed with lethargy addiction.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:34 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:25 am
you were wrong about the Raiders D being exclusively 4-3 every play every down.
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I never said that. I said the Raiders didn’t run a 3-4 last year
get it straight, internet gangsta
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And you’re wrong.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:35 am
You forgot new ownership.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:35 am
I believed in you JaBustus. Why?!
Damn You Jabustus!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Marley, how long before the Raiders win a Super Bowl? You know that’s the goal in this league, right? You’re either within 3 years of a Super Bowl, and have a blueprint to reach that goal, or you’re just an owner screwing your fans. Which is Al, marley?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:36 am
prove me wrong P Diddy …
I don’t think you will. I expect more insults and nothing of substance because thats what you’re good at
March 15th, 2010 at 10:36 am
# Raider O Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:35 am
I believed in you JaBustus. Why?!
Damn You Jabustus!
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Im sure we all did at one point. Welcome to what most of us call “a moment of clarity”…
March 15th, 2010 at 10:37 am
# Raider O Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:35 am
I believed in you JaBustus. Why?!
Damn You Jabustus!
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Me too, darn you Jabustus!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:37 am
The Raiders hit rock bottom 7 years ago when Chucky embarassed us in the Super Bowl, then God sent all a shovel and he continued to dig… Unfortunately RMR there is no way we make all those changes, so we have no choice but to hope and pray that we can plug in 1 or 2 skills players and win some games.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:38 am
morrison isn’t an intimidating force that inflicts the ray lewis type hits but the tackling numbers don’t lie and the guy is a great spokesman for the Raiders, don’t think we could get a better MLB in the draft or FA
March 15th, 2010 at 10:38 am
I will say it again. JaFatazz will go down as the BIGGEST first pick bust EVER….
March 15th, 2010 at 10:39 am
# inonewordraider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:38 am
morrison isn’t an intimidating force that inflicts the ray lewis type hits but the tackling numbers don’t lie and the guy is a great spokesman for the Raiders, don’t think we could get a better MLB in the draft or FA
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Wouldn’t you rather have a MLB that can stop the run over a “great spokesman”. Geez, what mediocrity we are getting accustomed to.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:40 am
He will be worst if we continue to play him…This is painful to even think about.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:40 am
Move over Ryan Leaf!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:40 am
“Last year Russell missed the first week of the offseason program but did participate in a lot of it after that. Since then he’s been diagnosed with lethargy addiction.”
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Can anyone provide a credible link about Russell’s “diagnosis”?
I’ve heard the rumor, but haven’t seen it verified by any credible news source.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:40 am
No sign of JaMarcus Russell at Raiders’ workouts
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 15, 2010 2:13 PM ET
The Oakland Raiders began their voluntary offseason workout program today. There was no sign of their franchise quarterback, JaMarcus Russell.
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that quarterbacks Charlie Frye (who signed his original draft pick tender) and Bruce Gradkowski (who has spent plenty of time at team facilities rehabbing a knee injury) both showed up. But White didn’t spot Russell.
Russell isn’t exactly known for his work ethic, so it’s no surprise if he’s not going to do any more work than he has to. One player laughed and told White that Russell is “a horror show,” while another said, “don’t hold your breath.”
Last year Russell missed the first week of the offseason program but did participate in a lot of it after that. Since then he’s been diagnosed with lethargy addiction.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:40 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:38 am
morrison isn’t an intimidating force that inflicts the ray lewis type hits but the tackling numbers don’t lie and the guy is a great spokesman for the Raiders, don’t think we could get a better MLB in the draft or FA
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I totally disagree… Morrison isnt a MLB at all, just because Al plays him there…. He is a coverage specializing OLB. There are a lot of better MLBs to be had. We could have made a play for Dansby. He would have made a HUGE impact.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:41 am
All of you need to get off JaPrecious Bustle’s back. He didn’t make the workout because he’s spending time with his lovely new bride. Here is an article about her…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=59144
March 15th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Safety Michael Mitchell said he is healthy again after a injury-smacked rookie season. “The second season will be better,” Mitchell said.
-David White (SF Gate)
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awesome! at least he doesn’t think he’s made it already, like JaWalrus …
Maybe I’ll stop calling him Toast Mitchell?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Nnam, that was a stupid rumor that was started when a SF Chronical writer was sarcastic in saying that Jamarcus being in the gym was treatment for lethargy addiction. There is no such thing as lethargy addiction. It was that writers way of saying his fat as$ was in the gym.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:43 am
inonewordraider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:38 am
morrison isn’t an intimidating force that inflicts the ray lewis type hits but the tackling numbers don’t lie and the guy is a great spokesman for the Raiders, don’t think we could get a better MLB in the draft or FA
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They do lie.
Most of Morrison’s hundreds of tackles come 5-7 yds down field.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Hey dudes, Nnamdi21 has a big day planned of jungle reconnaissance and street gorilla warfare!
But first he has to finish his biology homework and take his asthma medication.
Please don’t worry about him getting hungry while he’s kicking gang butt in the hard city streets, because his mom packed him a healthy snack in his new Fast ‘n Furious lunchbox.
And of course, Nnamdi21 will need a good night sleep tonight after so much mixed martial arts and weapon weilding, so he plans on turning his bedside humidifier up to “high”.
Then, thankfully, he’ll be able to rest his weary teenage his collector’s edition Masters of the Universe pillow case.
The good people of the Bay are counting on you to keep them safe, Lil Warrior!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:44 am
that is sick Ottocrat!
*barf*
maybe she lives in AZ and Russell considers giving her a sponge bath a “workout” ???
March 15th, 2010 at 10:44 am
Bcz, why do we have to hope and pray? What good does that do? This is a blog about football. If you want to use it to hope and pray, it’s your right. It’s also my right to point out how defunct this franchise is.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Russell doesn’t want to play here anymore. Al has to cut him. He’s now a waste of roster space. But Russell is not the reason this team is losing, and his being cut will not get us about the 5 win mark this year. You guys are going to learn that the hard way.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Ralph Cindrich reports via Twitter Raiders Bruce Gradkowski just signed his restricted free-agent tender.
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Welcome our new starting QB, at least he showed up, and probably in shape.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:48 am
# ottocrat Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:41 am
All of you need to get off JaPrecious Bustle’s back. He didn’t make the workout because he’s spending time with his lovely new bride. Here is an article about her…
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfmoms/detail?entry_id=59144
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LMFAO. I thought that pic was JaMarcus himself.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:49 am
You better be hoping and praying to 8lb 6oz baby jesus every night if you think there is going to be wholesale organizational changes. Maybe wishing on a genie lamp or something… I dont know what else to tell you. Thinking all the changes that you want will happen to is as realistic as thinking an invisible man in the sky is going to make our franchise better…
March 15th, 2010 at 10:50 am
bcz24 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Nnam, that was a stupid rumor that was started when a SF Chronical writer was sarcastic in saying that Jamarcus being in the gym was treatment for lethargy addiction. There is no such thing as lethargy addiction. It was that writers way of saying his fat as$ was in the gym.
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Actually, it seemed like the rumor before his mention. Came from a blog I think…
March 15th, 2010 at 10:50 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Marley, how long before the Raiders win a Super Bowl?
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There are certain steps teams have to take to win a Super Bowl. Teams don’t just fall out of the clear blue sky and start hoisting up the Lombardi trophy. With the Raiders, they have proven they can win games, and they have even proven they can beat good teams. What they haven’t proven is they can do that consistently. That’s the next step in the development of a team and that is exactly what Cable was saying. After that would be to then prove they can win in the playoffs. Right now, that seems a long waaays off.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Only you would take offense to me agreeing with you though RMR…
March 15th, 2010 at 10:52 am
No sign of JaMarcus Russell at Raiders’ workouts
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 15, 2010 2:13 PM ET
The Oakland Raiders began their voluntary offseason workout program today. There was no sign of their franchise quarterback, JaMarcus Russell.
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that quarterbacks Charlie Frye (who signed his original draft pick tender) and Bruce Gradkowski (who has spent plenty of time at team facilities rehabbing a knee injury) both showed up. But White didn’t spot Russell.
Russell isn’t exactly known for his work ethic, so it’s no surprise if he’s not going to do any more work than he has to. One player laughed and told White that Russell is “a horror show,” while another said, “don’t hold your breath.”
Last year Russell missed the first week of the offseason program but did participate in a lot of it after that. Since then he’s been diagnosed with lethargy addiction.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:52 am
MR
Al’s trying to win more Super Bowls, I don’t doubt that and neither should you.
I know you and most people are certain it won’t happen because you don’t think he can do it, I understand it, the numbers and everything else is on your side, but…
I still feel he might be able to, I’d be more optmistic if he hired some help…it’s getting harder to support the old man, there are only a few of us left and believe me, we’re running more on faith than substance.
It might be hard to believe but I see some sense among the chaos but Al’s is certainly doing it the hard way, we need to get something going here soon or there will be no one left.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:53 am
Playoffs? If we can get to .500 in 2010 I will be exstatic! It would be the first time in 7 years we actually showed some improvement. I will hold of on making any predictions until after the draft, but I am fairly certain that even .500 will be a reach with our current roster.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Lets hope Russell has a productive 2010.
A season of Grad or Frye? Ugh…
Who knows? Stranger things have happend but neither of these guys likey makes a roster elsewhere let alone has a shot at starting opening day barring some kind of catastrophic injury to a teams #1 in pre.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:54 am
That was in response to post 230, by the way.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:55 am
better look out Senior Beeecham.
N21 is probably riding his bicycle to your house as we speak!
March 15th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Seymour, I’m aware there are steps to take to win a Super Bowl. It wasn’t me who said that you can just sign a few players and bam, you’re there. That’s the belief of the Davis faithful, not me. Read my comment earlier where I laid out our team needs, which was pretty much the entire team.
Marley, I don’t see where Al’s trying to win a Super Bowl. The last real effort I saw was hiring Gruden, bringing in Gannon, Rice, R. Woodson, etc. Since 2003, I’ve seen no real effort out of Al Davis to win a Super Bowl. I’ve seen him make interesting moves designed to excite fans and maybe sell a few tickets, but not any moves that would indicate he has a Super Bowl in mind. Sorry.
March 15th, 2010 at 10:57 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:55 am
Seymour, I’m aware there are steps to take to win a Super Bowl. It wasn’t me who said that you can just sign a few players and bam, you’re there. That’s the belief of the Davis faithful, not me. Read my comment earlier where I laid out our team needs, which was pretty much the entire team.
Marley, I don’t see where Al’s trying to win a Super Bowl. The last real effort I saw was hiring Gruden, bringing in Gannon, Rice, R. Woodson, etc. Since 2003, I’ve seen no real effort out of Al Davis to win a Super Bowl. I’ve seen him make interesting moves designed to excite fans and maybe sell a few tickets, but not any moves that would indicate he has a Super Bowl in mind. Sorry.
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Oh he made an effort alright. He turned over the keys to Lance and spent his McGah millions on Wilson, Hall and Walker.
Ugh..disaster…
March 15th, 2010 at 10:58 am
Bcz, it’s a sports blog, where people discuss scenarios that they think will make their team better. I stated mine. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. If you think it can’t be done, that’s fine, too. I still have a right to comment here and express my view, and I’ll continue to. Try to cope with it. OK, buddy?
March 15th, 2010 at 10:59 am
nnam you rather have ricky brown as our MLB? if not what’s your suggestion?
March 15th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Cardinals sign Paris Lenon.
Steelers sign Larry Foote.
there go 2 more teams that could have had Howard or Morrison but chose an unrestricted free agent instead.
I think most teams want to keep their draft picks.
March 15th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Nnamdi, he hired Kiffin but turned over the keys to him? Kiffin was a step in the right direction because at least his rhetoric was that of a coach who’s seriously here to change things. Kiffin took the first step that had to be taken, to take the locker room away from Al, to be the real boss, have a real presence. But Al stopped him in his tracks almost as fast as he hired him. As far as Al’s spending spree in ‘08? Don’t make me laugh. Owners who want to win super bowls build a nucleus first and then patch on the free agents. Al made that move to sell tickets and build fan confidence. Remember, he only has to sell to Raider fans, who are the most delusional fans in football. Wouldn’t work with any other franchise. But a lot of Raider fans think players are good just because the Raiders signed them, and Al knows that. He plays on that.
March 15th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Angelo Crowell, Joey Porter, Andra Davis & Antonio Pierce will probably be signed too before any team even thinks about giving up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Howard or Morrison …
March 15th, 2010 at 11:03 am
There is always the Pat’s our favorite trading partner!
March 15th, 2010 at 11:05 am
RaiderResurrection Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Jamarcus never worked hard ever! Even in college he never worked hard. He played jump ball with Dwayne Bowe and Early Doucet. He can’t play quarterback for shyt.
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Yeah, right. Here’s a real jump ball for ya. What a joke. It’s obvious that you hate JR but let’s not get delusional about his pedigree.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEaUwBGyEJ4
March 15th, 2010 at 11:06 am
The more I think about it, the more sure I am that Davis will draft Rolando Mclain first round. Especially with our LB’s potentially leaving. And his whole mentality fits with the players Davis has been drafting since JR.
March 15th, 2010 at 11:06 am
anybody know if C Kevin Mawae & G Bobbie Williams have been signed yet?
March 15th, 2010 at 11:06 am
Really dude… tell me or show me in any way shape or form how I tried to dispute your right to post how you feel. Are you delusional. I AGREE WITH YOU. Let me say it again. I AGREE WITH YOU. One more time, in case you didnt get it the last 2 times. I AGREE WITH YOU, that we need wholesale changes from the top of the organization to the bottom. Thats not going to happen, you seem like a fairly intelligent guy, you cant possibly think that Al is going to wake up one morning and realize that his way doesnt work. Again I AGREE… I was merely stating that there is no chance that happens. I didnt even say you shouldnt say it.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
inonewordraider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 10:59 am
nnam you rather have ricky brown as our MLB? if not what’s your suggestion?
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Rolando McLain. Witherspoon may actually be being considered some think and I like Sean Lee. Bit smallish and has had some injury concerns that could have him slip into the 2nd round where he could be a good value.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
“No sign of JaMarcus Russell at Raiders’ workouts”
That is because he could not fit through the doors at that facility, so they have him working out over at Oracle Arena where they could fit him through the same doors that the circus elephants come in through….
March 15th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Bcz, I know it’s not going to happen, at least while Al’s alive. But I have just as much right to offer my suggestions as anyone else does to “hope and pray” that players like Whimbley are going to take us to the promise land. lol. If you have any problem with my comments, any problem whatsoever, might I suggest either skipping them, or taking some kind of drug that helps you deal with anger, because I’m going to keep them coming.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
I actually think this team with few players are playoff worthy if the QB situation is solved, meaning either if Grad/JR step it up or we trade for Mcnabb. What we need is depth in key positions specifically OL/DL. Having Mcnabb would improve our WRs and RBs right away. Our OL would also improve as they won’t have to pass protect for 8 secs, we would need Mawae at C as I am not convinced Satele is a starting Center caliber. We would also need depth in DL as we all know Dez Bryant is a young and coming DL and TK is below average DL. A big run stopper is a must. In this division, we neither need to be top 10 running or passing the ball, neither need to be top 10 defense to win this division. We just have to jump from the bottom offensive and defensive stat pile, to mid range like top 15 range. Donkeys, Theifs and Chokers are all regressing from their prime, we also playing NFC West. If we could win 6 out of 10, we could pull 2 more wins and 8-8 you win this division. Once we are in the playoff, its anyone’s game who expected the Jets to reach AFC championship game. My point, if we are a playoff team, then we have chance to become a Superbowl winner.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I don’t hope and pray, bcz, ever. Don’t believe in either concept. I believe in assessing reality and offering suggestions. It’s how I think, and it’s how I communicate in discussions like this. Try to deal with it, buddy. Take something if it gets to you that bad. You need to learn coping skills, bud.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I just can’t imagine Al using a top ten pick on a MLB.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
without upgrading our oline with our first few picks
we will be 5-11.
With Jruss starting at 3-13
Grads 5-11
frye 4-12
Does JP make the team?
March 15th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
they could fit him through the same doors that the circus elephants come in through….
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LOL! whatever it takes.
unlimited marshmellow circus peanuts?
March 15th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Raiders4eve, you think we have the offensive line, huh? You didn’t see what happened to Gradkowski and Frye last year after Russell was out?
March 15th, 2010 at 12:12 pm
There is seriously something wrong with you. You twist what I say around just to find a way to argue. If you are like this in real life then seek help dude. Seriously. Seek help.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Rockstar
Bobbie Williams signed with the bengals. Titans said they moving on with Mawae. Most teams dont wanna sign him because of the expected lockout and the effect he would have in the locker room.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 11:01 am
Nnamdi, he hired Kiffin but turned over the keys to him? Kiffin was a step in the right direction because at least his rhetoric was that of a coach who’s seriously here to change things. Kiffin took the first step that had to be taken, to take the locker room away from Al, to be the real boss, have a real presence. But Al stopped him in his tracks almost as fast as he hired him. As far as Al’s spending spree in ‘08? Don’t make me laugh. Owners who want to win super bowls build a nucleus first and then patch on the free agents. Al made that move to sell tickets and build fan confidence. Remember, he only has to sell to Raider fans, who are the most delusional fans in football. Wouldn’t work with any other franchise. But a lot of Raider fans think players are good just because the Raiders signed them, and Al knows that. He plays on that.
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Oh, totally. Davis signs off on everything and takes the lions share of the blame no doubt, but Kiffster NEEDED to be stopped in his tracks.
Again, Kiffin? Davis’s fault. He signed off on him.
Can’t say I completely agree with your assement of teams NOT using FA rather than building a nucleus. we see it every year. Washington and the Bears come to mind…
I agree, FA’s not the way and thats why I’m pleased to see some of our later round DP’s coming along.
Seems like we’ve been quietly building thru the draft. Just our 1st rounders suck!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
Bcz, go talk to someone about your problems. You’re really bugging me. It’s still morning for me because of daylight savings, and I just can’t deal with basket cases like you this early in the day.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Rockstar
Bobbie Williams signed with the bengals. Titans said they moving on with Mawae. Most teams dont wanna sign him because of the expected lockout and the effect he would have in the locker room.
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Can you imagine what Mawae as the President of the NFLPA would do if he saw how the Raiders run things? Ha!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
LMAO. I need help. You come here, disagree with EVERY post. You find ways to create arguments with people even when they agree with you. You have no ability to handle sarcasm, although you attempt to dish it out. Dude you are a piece of work.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I dont get how some folks think we will be getting a 3rd for morrison as if its automatic somene wants him…
which makes the wimbley thing another potential debacle, banking on recouping that third round pick.
Who makes the decisions to do what in oakland again?
What “logic” are these decisions based on.
Regards,
Cleo
March 15th, 2010 at 12:15 pm
I don’t believe Kiffin should have been stopped, Nnamdi. I believe Kiffin had the right idea to rebuild this team.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
Bengals re-sign one Williams, but not the most important one
By Ken Paxson | Monday, March 15, 2010, 09:34 AM
One Williams has re-signed with the Bengals, but not the most important one.
The Bengals have re-signed safety Roy Williams to a one-year deal, but the team’s most important unsigned player — guard Bobbie Williams — is still twisting in the wind.
I’m all for bringing back Roy. Hopefully he’ll get that forearm taken care of and be able to get back to form. Regardless of his health, I think the Bengals are eyeing USC safety Taylor Mays in the draft, so having a veteran like Roy around can do nothing but help the team.
Top priority now, however, should be getting Bobbie Williams signed. He’s the emotional leader of the offensive line along with Andrew Whitworth. He’s not someone the Bengals can afford to let get away.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Angelo Crowell, Joey Porter, Andra Davis & Antonio Pierce will probably be signed too before any team even thinks about giving up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Howard or Morrison …
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If Morrison were worth the 3rd rounder we paid to get him, then why would NO team offer us a third back to get a “solid” MLB with 5 years NFL experience? You would have thought someone would have jumped on him by now. But no. What does that tell ya?
March 15th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
bcz, this is my last response to you if you’re not going to talk football, and continue with this spat you seem to be in right now. For now on, I’m only responding to your football posts. Everything directed at me personally is on ignore. You’re scary today, buddy. Maybe you need a walk or something.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:11 pm
I just can’t imagine Al using a top ten pick on a MLB.
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Not gonna happen and who knows? Maybe McClain’s interupted combine and pro days because of a “hamstring” and his chrones disease revelation will see him slip to us in the 2nd?
Wishful thinking…
March 15th, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Al Davis doesn’t care about the locker room …
sign Kevin Mawae & Bobbie Williams!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Miss Cleo the fortune teller…
March 15th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Yeah I could see how it would bother you that someone called you on your sh!t…
March 15th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Mawae would instantly make that O line better. Centers the most imporatant peice of the ZBS and something we’ve lacked since its inception here.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Obviously Al Davis doesn’t care about the locker room, he doesn’t care about winning, either. Just about every move he makes is proof of it.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:16 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Angelo Crowell, Joey Porter, Andra Davis & Antonio Pierce will probably be signed too before any team even thinks about giving up a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Howard or Morrison …
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If Morrison were worth the 3rd rounder we paid to get him, then why would NO team offer us a third back to get a “solid” MLB with 5 years NFL experience? You would have thought someone would have jumped on him by now. But no. What does that tell ya?
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There is still about 29-30 more days before free agency is over!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
If Morrison were worth the 3rd rounder we paid to get him, then why would NO team offer us a third back to get a “solid” MLB with 5 years NFL experience? You would have thought someone would have jumped on him by now. But no. What does that tell ya?
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Sey Bush: the draft is still almost 6 weeks away. free agency has only been open for 10 days now. give it time brother. it’s too early to say “nobody wants Morrison or Howard” imo …
March 15th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
LOL. ray read my mind!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
G Men interested…
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2010/03/oakland_raiders_linebacker_kir.html
March 15th, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Mawae would instantly make that O line better. Centers the most imporatant peice of the ZBS and something we’ve lacked since its inception here.
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Agreed. Satele didn’t impress me last year. I think we at least need some competition @ Center and I don’t mean Chris Morris!
we missed on Wiegmann & Fraley in free agency.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Why the hell didn’t the Raiders sign Jamal Williams? Hard to believe he was available and we didn’t make a run at him.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Kirk for Osi!!!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
And a third!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Raider Rockstar,
1st game I threw on.
3rd defensive play of the Eagles game.
12:45 mark, 1st quarter, 3rd and 8. Raiders line up in…a 3-4.
Seymour at RE.
Warren at NT.
Ellis at LE.
Scott standing up on Ellis’s left as Howard cheats in between NT and LE.
Result?
McNabb sacked 9 yd loss.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
RMR
Put this way, having backups play as starters will lead to even JR getting hurt as he did at the time when Losman came in I believe it was against the Donkeys. That game we had Henderson, Walker, Satele, Carlisle and Green. Even with that lineup, we came back from behind and won the game. To be honest, four of those OL are backups at best, look at who are the remaining we got Pears, Morris, Barnes. Now, its ok don’t freak out, Arizona Cardinals went to the Superbowl with a decent OL, Colts went to the Superbowl with a decent OL that couldn’t run the ball. My point, adding Mawae, maybe Chester Pitts and a rookie RT will improve this unit. We need to add and cut some of the guys in there but its not a hard process. This is a unit play, you need 5 guys who are cohesive, not switching guys to new positions like Cable did
March 15th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
Dark Forces Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Why the hell didn’t the Raiders sign Jamal Williams? Hard to believe he was available and we didn’t make a run at him.
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Bad knees on that guy. He’ll be out by game 4-5 even if used situaltionally.
Torn triceps saw him miss last year. His 12th NFL season.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 7:50 am
on a positive note:
I don’t think Al Davis could have drafted a pass rush specialist better than Wimbley at 86th overall in the draft …
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That’s what I think also. Shauny will be the starting LDE in place of Ellis and as of now at least….Seymour and Wimbley will be rotating depending on down and situation at the RDE spot with Scott being in there as well at times.
Seymour needs to be playing inside more this year however and drafting DT’s, Lamar Houston,Cam Thomas, or Terrance Cody in Round 2 would be an ideal move….BUT knowing the old looney man Al….he will look to REACH and take KR/WR Jacoby Ford with that 2nd Round pick and ruin the freakin draft from there! LOL
March 15th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
nice job N21. I must have missed that
so the Raiders did run a 3-4 on occassion last year?
Hmm…
I wonder who we’ll get to fill the void at NT then ???
As Dark Forces points out, Jamal Williams (or Maake Kemoeatu) would have been nice!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
310. Yeah but the Cardinals had Warner and the Colts have Manning.
Their gawd like command of the QB postion and geting the ballout quickly helped their “decent” O lines.
Granted, last year we had injuries and guy playing out of postion, but I hope we don’t stand pat and play the guys we’ve got.
Even with Green gone, we need to address the O line with the 8th overall.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
drafting DT’s, Lamar Houston,Cam Thomas, or Terrance Cody in Round 2 would be an ideal move….BUT knowing the old looney man Al….he will look to REACH and take KR/WR Jacoby Ford with that 2nd Round pick and ruin the freakin draft from there!
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Thats what I see happening too. Like last year with Monroe, Raji & Crabtree on the board Al Davis selects Darrius Heyward-Bey ???
Then in the 2nd round with Ron Brace & Max Unger on the board Al Davis trades back and selects Mike Mitchell ???
March 15th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
nice job N21. I must have missed that
so the Raiders did run a 3-4 on occassion last year?
Hmm…
I wonder who we’ll get to fill the void at NT then ???
As Dark Forces points out, Jamal Williams (or Maake Kemoeatu) would have been nice!
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NT is so hard to find though and seems like more DT’s bust than QB’s.
Man, Haynesworth really could be the most dominat lineman but I feel like his best play was simply in that contract year so he could get paid and coast.
Injured alot too. Has he ever completed a season with 16 starts?
Davis all about D line being penetrators. *sigh* all pass rush / coverage.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
drafting DT’s, Lamar Houston,Cam Thomas, or Terrance Cody in Round 2 would be an ideal move….BUT knowing the old looney man Al….he will look to REACH and take KR/WR Jacoby Ford with that 2nd Round pick and ruin the freakin draft from there!
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Thats what I see happening too. Like last year with Monroe, Raji & Crabtree on the board Al Davis selects Darrius Heyward-Bey ???
Then in the 2nd round with Ron Brace & Max Unger on the board Al Davis trades back and selects Mike Mitchell ???
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I just pray Mitchell works out and goes All pro someday.
Safeties been a huge hole in this D for too long…
March 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Should be Oline all day with the fist 3 picks. But we will take a back up punter….
March 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
I can’t even begin to tell you how much better this team would look right now if we had drafted Monroe & Brace or Raji & Unger!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
mind boggling the moves this team makes….
March 15th, 2010 at 12:43 pm
I like Huff & Branch at safety. It’ll be interesting to see how they blend Mitchell & Eugene in this year …
I’m not a Eugene fan, but you know Davis/Cable are with the 2nd round tender he was given. They have plans for him besides ST
March 15th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
I have a bad feeling Al thinks he can move Seymour to DT along side Kelly and then play Wimbley full time at DE…
March 15th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
I think our defense just needs 3 players, 2 MLB if Morrison signs somewhere else and a DT/NT. Huge body, I am talking about someone who has TK built but can really great havoc.
Offensively, I think we need depth and competition in every position especially OL.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
JR starting off the 2010 season just like he finished the 2009…SLACKING!
Can’t wait for TJ to come in spewing his garbage about JR being in ’secret training’, ‘just needs to grow up’, ‘earning the job back in his sleep’ crap…
March 15th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Dakota
I said it yesterday. Wimbley will get abused if he ever starts as our DE, he is a LB more then a DE, I would keep him at SLB and let him loose.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
If Morrison were worth the 3rd rounder we paid to get him, then why would NO team offer us a third back to get a “solid” MLB with 5 years NFL experience? You would have thought someone would have jumped on him by now. But no. What does that tell ya?
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Sey Bush: the draft is still almost 6 weeks away. free agency has only been open for 10 days now. give it time brother. it’s too early to say “nobody wants Morrison or Howard” imo …
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You guys are absolutely right, however most if not all the good players have been gobbled up already. I don’t know if Morrison has got 10 teams right now all bidding for him. And that is with what appears to be a dearth of good Inside LB talent in this draft.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
drafting DT’s, Lamar Houston,Cam Thomas, or Terrance Cody in Round 2 would be an ideal move….BUT knowing the old looney man Al….he will look to REACH and take KR/WR Jacoby Ford with that 2nd Round pick and ruin the freakin draft from there!
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Thats what I see happening too. Like last year with Monroe, Raji & Crabtree on the board Al Davis selects Darrius Heyward-Bey ???
Then in the 2nd round with Ron Brace & Max Unger on the board Al Davis trades back and selects Mike Mitchell ???
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That’s why he is the looney dumb old man Al who doesn’t know how to build a team anymore and why this organization and team have been LOSERS the last 7 freakin years! LOL
March 15th, 2010 at 12:52 pm
Raiders4eve, our line sucks. Just quit it.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
I can’t even begin to tell you how much better this team would look right now if we had drafted Monroe & Brace or Raji & Unger
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Not to mention if we also had a qualified NFL head coach!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Al Davis does not want to win.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:36 pm
drafting DT’s, Lamar Houston,Cam Thomas, or Terrance Cody in Round 2 would be an ideal move….BUT knowing the old looney man Al….he will look to REACH and take KR/WR Jacoby Ford with that 2nd Round pick and ruin the freakin draft from there!
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Thats what I see happening too. Like last year with Monroe, Raji & Crabtree on the board Al Davis selects Darrius Heyward-Bey ???
Then in the 2nd round with Ron Brace & Max Unger on the board Al Davis trades back and selects Mike Mitchell ???
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and your point is ???
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lmao… oh, god, that was funny !!!
March 15th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I think our defense just needs 3 players, 2 MLB if Morrison signs somewhere else and a DT/NT. Huge body, I am talking about someone who has TK built but can really great havoc.
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sign Antonio Pierce, Andra Davis, Kevin Mawae & Bobbie Williams in free agency.
then draft NT Dan Williams 8th overall and OL in rounds 2 & 3.
If we get anything for Howard or Morrison, consider it a bonus.
March 15th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Not to mention if we also had a qualified NFL head coach!
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Dakota: and a qualified NFL quarterback!
March 15th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Pete: reliving last year’s draft was funny to you?
I found it rather depressing …
I guess we should be at the point where we expect Al to fail after the past 7 years, eh?
If thats your point, it’s hard to argue with.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Dakota Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
I have a bad feeling Al thinks he can move Seymour to DT along side Kelly and then play Wimbley full time at DE…
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Well it depends on how Wimbley can adjust to that as a full time down speed pass rush RDE.
He was a BEAST as RDE at Florida State and then they converted him to a OLB in a 3-4, but stopped using him properly as a pass rusher and disruptor ala D Ware after his rookie year.
They needs to be used as a pass rusher and disruptor either by standing up as an OLB or playing down as a 4-3 RDE….much like how Scott is used now.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Pete: reliving last year’s draft was funny to you?
I found it rather depressing …
I guess we should be at the point where we expect Al to fail after the past 7 years, eh?
If thats your point, it’s hard to argue with.
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Yep!
After the Mike Mitchell pick in Round 2….I was happy to just turn the freakin TV off and not give a crap what happens after that, since it was such a freakin ridiculous and depressing joke.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
310. Yeah but the Cardinals had Warner and the Colts have Manning.
Their gawd like command of the QB postion and geting the ballout quickly helped their “decent” O lines.
Granted, last year we had injuries and guy playing out of postion, but I hope we don’t stand pat and play the guys we’ve got.
Even with Green gone, we need to address the O line with the 8th overall.
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I agree with you about Manning and Warner, but let’s not forget about their receivers. More importantly, it’s the chemistry those guys have with their receivers that took years to develop. You need that trust to get the ball out quick. Say what you want about JR, but no one can deny that there’s been a revolving door at receiver since he was drafted. And then he gets rookies as starters? Can we really kill the guy for not having great chemistry with Murphy and DHB? Especially when DHB not only couldn’t catch a cold. JR gets a do-over.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
# Raiders4eve Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:47 pm
Dakota
I said it yesterday. Wimbley will get abused if he ever starts as our DE, he is a LB more then a DE, I would keep him at SLB and let him loose.
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He’s a pass rushing end where you can slide Seymour inside put Wimbley on Seymours side so neither e can be doubled. Smart really.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
Not to mention if we also had a qualified NFL head coach!
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Dakota: and a qualified NFL quarterback!
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Not to mention a qualified hog butcher!
March 15th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I think our defense just needs 3 players, 2 MLB if Morrison signs somewhere else and a DT/NT. Huge body, I am talking about someone who has TK built but can really great havoc.
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sign Antonio Pierce, Andra Davis, Kevin Mawae & Bobbie Williams in free agency.
then draft NT Dan Williams 8th overall and OL in rounds 2 & 3.
If we get anything for Howard or Morrison, consider it a bonus.
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I think a 3rd will he had for Morrison but no team will give up a 2nd rounder for Howard as of right now IMO.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
If JR is getting a “Do Over”, shouldn’t he be here developing that ‘rapport’ w/ his recievers? Kid is a slacker, period.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I still like the Mike Mitchell pick. You’ll see. Stroke of genius. Only problem is Branch and Huff both did a great job last year so it’s not clear how he gets significant PT. But at some point this kid will be a fan favorite.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Pete: reliving last year’s draft was funny to you?
I found it rather depressing …
I guess we should be at the point where we expect Al to fail after the past 7 years, eh?
If thats your point, it’s hard to argue with.
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clearly, you’ve forgotten how long and hard i screamed after the first two rounds last year…
oh…
i’m still screaming…
March 15th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
VanHeathen Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
If JR is getting a “Do Over”, shouldn’t he be here developing that ‘rapport’ w/ his recievers? Kid is a slacker, period.
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1st of all, I think he was able to develop a better rapport with them during last season. Going through the inevitable growing pains with them really sucked, but it should pay off this season. He already has that chemistry with Chaz. Just hope he can stay healthy. 2nd of all, let’s not get all hot and bothered by offseason weight training workouts. If I hear he’s not someplace else training, even I might get worried. But as long as he’s working out someplace, I could care less if it’s at the facility. Lots of guys work out on their own. He doesn’t need to be at the faciltiy for the sake of a bunch of hater fans.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I still like the Mike Mitchell pick. You’ll see. Stroke of genius. Only problem is Branch and Huff both did a great job last year so it’s not clear how he gets significant PT. But at some point this kid will be a fan favorite.
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picking him in the 5th would have been a stroke of genius and only if he makes the pro-bowl…
oh… i don’t want a favorite player…
i want a winning team…
if we went 3 years without drafting a single DB…
i think i would like that…
March 15th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
schefter tweeted
Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.
about 18 hours ago via UberTwitter
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Maybe this was a good trade for once.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Russell was a no-show for the 1st day of voluntary workouts today!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 1:37 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:28 pm
VanHeathen Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:17 pm
If JR is getting a “Do Over”, shouldn’t he be here developing that ‘rapport’ w/ his recievers? Kid is a slacker, period.
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1st of all, I think he was able to develop a better rapport with them during last season. Going through the inevitable growing pains with them really sucked, but it should pay off this season. He already has that chemistry with Chaz. Just hope he can stay healthy. 2nd of all, let’s not get all hot and bothered by offseason weight training workouts. If I hear he’s not someplace else training, even I might get worried. But as long as he’s working out someplace, I could care less if it’s at the facility. Lots of guys work out on their own. He doesn’t need to be at the faciltiy for the sake of a bunch of hater fans.
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You are in denial. JaPoatRoast is a slacker.he acted like a little rich spoiled entitled brat last season all of his recievers dislike him they just cannot come out and say it. the few passes he completes always get them nailed just ask zach miller.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:38 pm
How ’bout for the “sake’ of his teammates…everyone knows, he’s not doing JACK for the Fans, or else he would have started cleaning up his mess long before now…It’s OK, Grads will be happy to take over.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Russell should be cut!!
March 15th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Bruce Gradkowski has been here all along, rehabbing his knees and getting fired up about competing for the starting job.
No visible sign of JaMarcus Russell, though. Several players who have been at the facility for weeks said they have not seen the former No. 1 overall draft pick.
When asked if he’ll show today, one starter laughed and said “That’s a horror show.” Another starter said “don’t hold your breath.”
Fat piece of garbage.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Cut JaLargest!
March 15th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
I agree with you about Manning and Warner, but let’s not forget about their receivers. More importantly, it’s the chemistry those guys have with their receivers that took years to develop. You need that trust to get the ball out quick. Say what you want about JR, but no one can deny that there’s been a revolving door at receiver since he was drafted. And then he gets rookies as starters? Can we really kill the guy for not having great chemistry with Murphy and DHB? Especially when DHB not only couldn’t catch a cold. JR gets a do-over.
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Didn’t Manning have 2 rookies that stepped up this year and he had great chemistry with them? The only carry-over he has is Wayne. Warner thrived in his first year with the Cards. It didn’t take years. The difference between Manning/Warner and Russell is work ethic.. Keep grasping at straws..
March 15th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
1st of all, I think he was able to develop a better rapport with them during last season.
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For the last week, I’ve just read without commenting. This has to be the most asinine opinion I’ve read without a doubt. His receivers can’t stand him and his teammates are repulsed by his efforts. Stop being an apologist for JaLoser. He is a bust! A waste of money. Get over it. Sell your #2 chosen jersey.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Russell will be in after the lunch time buffet at Round Table pizza.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:47 pm
2nd of all, let’s not get all hot and bothered by offseason weight training workouts.
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Even JaLargest’s agent couldn’t make that statement with a straight face.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
It’s not just the fact the JaRayomndBurr sucks. I could deal with that. It’s that he just flat out doesn’t care. And, it’s like he relishes in not caring. He’s defiant in not caring. He is the textbook definition of a loser.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Sey Bush
You making Wimbley seem something like Terrel Suggs, do you always hype new Raiders players? Don’t take this as an offense, but have you seen Wimbley play? The guy is below average against the RUN, why did we move Scott from DE to WLB, same issue. He only weights 250-55lbs, very lousy against the run, if he plays fulltime DE, every team would run towards him with guaranteed 5 yards. Do your research bro, Wimbley might be solid blitzer but against the run, he shouldn’t be in the field. Shaughnessy is our starting LDE and Seymour will play RDE and inside.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:51 pm
I would like us to sign T.O instead of Antonio Pierce, Andra Davis, Kevin Mawae & Bobbie Williams, I agree with these guys on the team plus our rookie it would give us a solid team.
March 15th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
UP LOCOMOTIVE ENGINEER Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:29 pm
schefter tweeted
Some coaches in AFC North texted they’re very relieved that LB Kamerion Wimbley is out of their division. Wimbley now AFC West’s problem.
about 18 hours ago via UberTwitter
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Maybe this was a good trade for once.
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lot of pissed off fans on the Brown’s blog…
March 15th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
now let’s get Corey Williams…
March 15th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Jerry…
Are you in Alameda trying to ferret out some news?
Or, are you still at home with your feet up, and piggy backing off of Corkran?
March 15th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
1st of all, I think he was able to develop a better rapport with them during last season.
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For the last week, I’ve just read without commenting. This has to be the most asinine opinion I’ve read without a doubt. His receivers can’t stand him and his teammates are repulsed by his efforts. Stop being an apologist for JaLoser. He is a bust! A waste of money. Get over it. Sell your #2 chosen jersey.
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His receivers hate him?? How the hell do you know that? Correction: YOU hate him. Quit poppin off about things you know nothing about!
March 15th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Debo,
Jerry has reported several times about the receivers not respecting JaOrsonWelles
March 15th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Condo signed his tender. take that BSJ!
Playoffs?
March 15th, 2010 at 1:59 pm
I hope the estates of Raymond Burr and Orson Welles don’t file suit against us…
March 15th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
D-FOLKS Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
Russell should be cut!!
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you’re talking about removing him from the roster, right ???
i mean… you’re not saying they should…
you know…
March 15th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
What was Schilens comments at the end of the season. NO Comment.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
donks cut QB Chris Simms.
go get’em Al!
competition at QB is always a good thing imo. Simms is one former donk I wouldn’t mind having …
re-sign Losman for peanuts too while we’re at it!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Worst trade ever-D’Angelo Hall
Worst FA agent signing ever- Javon Walker
Worst Draft Pick ever- Jamarcus Russell
The Raiders ARE still relevant!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Florida Pete
Corey Williams was traded to the Lions in the beginning of free agency.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Russell isn’t exactly known for his work ethic, so it’s no surprise if he’s not going to do any more work than he has to. One player laughed and told White that Russell is “a horror show,” while another said, “don’t hold your breath.”
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Debo:
what players do you think made these comments to David White?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Antonio Pearces lack of speed is why he’s not w/ the Giants and Giants fans would much rather have Morrison so why should we downgrade to Pearce?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Jamarcus Russell sucks period. And telling the truth. I do hate him. I hate him because he’s an insult to the sport. The way the rules are with protecting offenses, and he still sucks. Imagine if the rules were old school?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Thank’s BSJ. Some of read what JerryMac posts. I don’t hate JaLoser, he’s lost the respect of most fans and teammates. The only thing protecting his roster spot was his salary. With the uncapped year, time to cut him. Cutting Delomme(sp) cost them $3 mil more than to cut JaLoser.
I respect those that put out 100%. If they fail so be it. I don’t respect those that fail due to lack of dedication. I had high hopes for JaLoser but he has lost me.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:11 pm
inonewordraider: I’m a fan of Kirk Morrison and I take a lot of heat for it, but by only placing an original round tender on him it’s loud and clear the Raiders are ready to move on. Especially when you consider the fact that they put a 2nd rounder on Hiram Eugene, 1st & 3rd for Routt … slap in the face if he ends up staying
I think he’ll find a new team. It’s just a matter of when and what team
if the Raiders don’t sign Antonio Pierce or Andra Davis then we have 3 options
1- give the MLB job to Ricky Brown and hope he holds up physically
2- draft his replacement
3- trade for his replacement
March 15th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
pierce is morrisons max potential. they both have chunky guts, little slow, the only dif is pierce can actually provide some run support and leadership. it seems like kirk is too much of a follower.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
I don’t think Kirk is a true MLB but the draft or FA will not produce an upgrade at MLB so I beleive people that have been calling for his head will be wishing he never left
March 15th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
No sign of JaMarcus Russell at Raiders’ workouts
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 15, 2010 2:13 PM ET
The Oakland Raiders began their voluntary offseason workout program today. There was no sign of their franchise quarterback, JaMarcus Russell.
David White of the San Francisco Chronicle reports that quarterbacks Charlie Frye (who signed his original draft pick tender) and Bruce Gradkowski (who has spent plenty of time at team facilities rehabbing a knee injury) both showed up. But White didn’t spot Russell.
Russell isn’t exactly known for his work ethic, so it’s no surprise if he’s not going to do any more work than he has to. One player laughed and told White that Russell is “a horror show,” while another said, “don’t hold your breath.”
Last year Russell missed the first week of the offseason program but did participate in a lot of it after that. Since then he’s been diagnosed with lethargy addiction.
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JusFukedus should be cut today!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
What is the last day we can cutt Jamarcus before we pay him the 9 million?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
SacRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
I agree with you about Manning and Warner, but let’s not forget about their receivers. More importantly, it’s the chemistry those guys have with their receivers that took years to develop. You need that trust to get the ball out quick. Say what you want about JR, but no one can deny that there’s been a revolving door at receiver since he was drafted. And then he gets rookies as starters? Can we really kill the guy for not having great chemistry with Murphy and DHB? Especially when DHB not only couldn’t catch a cold. JR gets a do-over.
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Didn’t Manning have 2 rookies that stepped up this year and he had great chemistry with them? The only carry-over he has is Wayne. Warner thrived in his first year with the Cards. It didn’t take years. The difference between Manning/Warner and Russell is work ethic.. Keep grasping at straws..
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Dude, are you nuts???? The day Manning walked in the door he had MARVIN HARRISON!! Ever heard of him? He’s been with Reggie Wayne, a Pro Bowler for what, 8 years? He also has Dallas Clark, another Pro Bowler who is widely considered to be the best receiving tight end in football. At least Garcon is a second-year player. He had one rookie in Austin Collie, but the guy can work in as a complimentary player. We started two rookies!!! One was DHB!! Did you see how much better Murphy was when he didn’t have to start with Chaz and JLH taking the opposing teams’ best corners? You really call that grasping at straws??
March 15th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Forget about Jamarcus not showing up (really is anyone suprised??), that comment by his teammate fans the flames ten times worse.
“A horror show” ??? WTF!!! Who describes someone like that?
Holly shyt man!!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Russell isn’t exactly known for his work ethic, so it’s no surprise if he’s not going to do any more work than he has to. One player laughed and told White that Russell is “a horror show,” while another said, “don’t hold your breath.”
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Debo:
what players do you think made these comments to David White?
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That’s a good question RRS. I have no clue. Who was it?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
the draft or FA will not produce an upgrade at MLB so I beleive people that have been calling for his head will be wishing he never left
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I don’t know man. Morrison takes the blame for 110 perecent of the run defense on this blog when he’s never had a real NT in front of him on the D-Line.
If we draft somebody like Dan Williams next month I think even Ricky Brown will look like a stud at MLB and we’ll never know how good Capt kirk might have been in Oakland.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
no kidding Vegas. harsh words!
hope those comments didn’t come from Schilens, Higgins, Murphy, Miller, Henderson or Gallery …
If those comments came from somebody like Todd Watkins, Nick Miller or one of the many OL scrubs I wouldn’t be so concerned because theres a good chance they’ll be pruned off the 53 man roster before the season starts anyway
March 15th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 9:47 am
I would suprised if Bruce ISN’T there and suprised if Jamarcus IS there, today.
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That was pretty easy wasn’t it?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:27 pm
Hey! Don’t forget the great camp arm, magnificent clipboard holder, and all around great young man.
Danny Southwick!!
I’d rather see him get another shot, than King Exlax…
March 15th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Memo to: All Old Country Buffets
Country Buffets
Home Style Buffets
Ryan’s Flame Broiled Grills
From: Store Security
RE: Persona non grata!
The following Oakland Raider player has started his off season training program and is banned from our all you can eat buffets. DO NOT ADMIT!
Here is a picture to identify him.
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/926/fatguyjk4.jpg
March 15th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
909: who do you think groomed Bruce & Charlie last year?
the intern. Danny Southwick
give the Danchise a shot!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:31 pm
I wonder if the Raiders will allow Hue Jackson to speak to the media this week.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
what players do you think made these comments to David White?
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All right here we go:
“Horror show” comment:
2/1 Chaz
4/1 Gallery
5/1 Nmamdi
5/1 Miller
5/1 Murphy
10/1 Bruce
12/1 Seymour
15/1 Howard
15/1 Huff
15/1 Henderson
20/1 Field
March 15th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
the draft or FA will not produce an upgrade at MLB so I beleive people that have been calling for his head will be wishing he never left
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I don’t know man. Morrison takes the blame for 110 perecent of the run defense on this blog when he’s never had a real NT in front of him on the D-Line.
If we draft somebody like Dan Williams next month I think even Ricky Brown will look like a stud at MLB and we’ll never know how good Capt kirk might have been in Oakland.
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I think Kirk might have been a bit better with a better DT’s in front of him, but not a whole lot better.
I do think drafting a MIKE like Micah Johnson in like the 3rd Round would be a great pick!
If you watch Micah on film, he knows hot shoot gaps, work his way in between the tackles to get to RB’s and does not get washed easily.
With good DT’s….Micah Johnson would be an IDEAL MIKE MLB for the Raider defense.
He is also built like a brickhouse!
But again…the old looney man Al will most likely draft a freakin nickel CB with that 3rd round pick! LOL
March 15th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Vegas: not sure if the following players would be at voluntary workouts
Gallery (recovering from surgery)
Miller (recovering from last offseason’s injury)
Seymour (got tagged. hasn’t signed it yet)
Howard (got tendered. hasn’t signed it yet)
March 15th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Forget about Jamarcus not showing up (really is anyone suprised??), that comment by his teammate fans the flames ten times worse.
“A horror show” ??? WTF!!! Who describes someone like that?
Holly shyt man!!
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Bottom line: Who the hell cares?? Every QB in the league probably has guys on the team who are jealous of their fame and/or fortune who would say disparaging things about him anonymously. Hell, Tiki Barber was on record when he clowned Eli’s lack of “leadership skills”. How did that turn out? And I’m assuming someone really said those things about JR. In this day and age of un-named sources, I wouldn’t put it past D. White to be making it up. Either way, the only thing I want to hear from any Raider player is what he’ll be doing himself to get this thing turned around. Trying to throw teammates under the bus is a fukn copout!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:36 pm
“Horror Show” is being kind if you ask me. Let’s hear what some of his fellow Raiders say when the press isn’t around.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
JaLoser is too fat to fit under the bus.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Bottom line: Who the hell cares??
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His teammates do. Doesn’t that mean anything to you?
Tiki called out Eli for his leadership skills, but he just wanted him to speak up more in the locker room and be more vocal. It was never about putting in work and showing up for things.
HUGE difference.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Show up and nobody can say anything.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
hopefully Zach Miller’s concussions aren’t as severe as Nick Miller’s shin splints were …
March 15th, 2010 at 2:40 pm
JaLoser is infamous, not famous.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Chris Morris re-signed! Our o-line is set!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
if JaMarcus has an impressive season in 2010, is he a candidate for the Ed Block Courage Award?
not sure how severe the Lethargy Addiction is …
March 15th, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Im not with those of you who are crying about JRuss not being in camp,YET! Lets see how he Looks when he does report,if hes over weight and out of shape,then I will be pissed off,period! Hopefully, hes on a mission to kick ass,he may be laid back, from the south,etc,but he must SHOW that he wants to represent the Raider Nation. Time will tell
March 15th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
I mean if you were TRYING to get fired could you do a much better job than what Russell has done for the last 10 months?
For what it’s worth, a bunch of Bronco’s didn’t show up today for voluntaries either. But PFT reports it like it is the Restricted guys and tendered one’s, not guys with a $9 million dollar salary and $3 million guaranteed.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
[...] McD: JaMarcus vs. Quinn _ twice a year JaMarcus vs. Quinn _ twice a year – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the high… __________________ RaideroftheSith aka [...]
March 15th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
“Honestly man, it starts way too early. I think our first game is what, September?” Champ Bailey told the Post. “It is what it is, though. They pay me a lot of money to come here and work out with these guys though, so I’m going to be here.”
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That’s what grown-ups say.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Russell is probably “excused” from just about everything by coach Cable.
Cable has moved on with “his guys”.
Bruce & Charlie have signed and are already working hard in preparation for next season. That’s all he cares about imo
March 15th, 2010 at 2:47 pm
Rex Hadnot signed with the Cards…3 years $9 million…would have been a starting RG or C for us….
Al asleep on the job again.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Raiders4eve Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Florida Pete
Corey Williams was traded to the Lions in the beginning of free agency.
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i can’t believe i wasn’t notified…
now i’m pissed…
March 15th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Dakota: if you keep clamoring for a center Tom Cable is going to re-sign John Wade.
is that what you want ???
March 15th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Bottom line: Who the hell cares??
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His teammates do. Doesn’t that mean anything to you?
Tiki called out Eli for his leadership skills, but he just wanted him to speak up more in the locker room and be more vocal. It was never about putting in work and showing up for things.
HUGE difference.
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I get it. So what are you saying the fallout is? JR isn’t there for the 1st day of weightlifting so now when he throws Chaz the ball, Chaz will intentionally drop it? I think you saw last season in the short time they had together that’s not the case. I could care less if JR is loved or hated in the locker room. Everybody needs to do their jobs.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
why haven’t Brown & Eugene signed thier tenders yet?
do they honestly think some team is gonna offer the Raiders a 2nd rounder for them? LOL
whoever the agent is telling these guys that must be a car salesman like Raider O. he could sell anything
SPOON!
see?
March 15th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Rockstar….
My bad.. I forgot to mention that….
Mentor, and groomer of studious QB’s. The Danchise!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Everybody needs to do their jobs.
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JaLoser’s doing his to get in shape!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qMABJs3fRaQ/RscI-seknZI/AAAAAAAAAWk/Kz7VwnPBMLc/s320/Big+Fat+Guy.jpg
March 15th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Ghost to the Post Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Show up and nobody can say anything.
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Screw that. He doesn’t have to show up to appease the haters. As long as he has a plan to get in shape and is executting it, let people talk. If that’s what he’s doing, I’m glad he’s sticking to his guns. We’ll see how he reports.
March 15th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Wade, Satele, Morris…all peas in the same schyt pod Rockstar.
When is this team going to fix the fukin o-line?
Sometimes I wonder if Al really doesn’t understand that guys like Upshaw, Shell and Dalby had more to do with the Super Bowl wins than guys like Belitnikoff, Stabler and Plunkett?
March 15th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Anyone posting odds on whether or not Russell will show today? Or is he on another “excused business trip” to Las Vegas?
March 15th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Dakota, Al doesn’t think Upshaw, Shell, and co. were to credit for our success then. It was all Pastorini!
March 15th, 2010 at 3:03 pm
Don’t worry, ESPN has pictures that prove Russell started an offseason cardio program this morning:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_qMABJs3fRaQ/RscI-seknZI/AAAAAAAAAWk/Kz7VwnPBMLc/s320/Big+Fat+Guy.jpg
March 15th, 2010 at 3:04 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
I get it. So what are you saying the fallout is? JR isn’t there for the 1st day of weightlifting so now when he throws Chaz the ball, Chaz will intentionally drop it? I think you saw last season in the short time they had together that’s not the case. I could care less if JR is loved or hated in the locker room. Everybody needs to do their jobs.
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He is not doing his job TODAY. His job is not to just show up on Sunday’s and throw the ball. As much as he would like it that way, that is not how the gig works.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
The Big Banana Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Anyone posting odds on whether or not Russell will show today?
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I would have set the line at:
Jamarcus arrives +175
Jamarcus does not -200
You need anything in the future let me know
March 15th, 2010 at 3:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
I get it. So what are you saying the fallout is? JR isn’t there for the 1st day of weightlifting so now when he throws Chaz the ball, Chaz will intentionally drop it? I think you saw last season in the short time they had together that’s not the case. I could care less if JR is loved or hated in the locker room. Everybody needs to do their jobs.
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Skipping offseason activities might be okay for Favre, but not for fat ass QBs that look lost on the field in year 3.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Russell needs to be cut. He doesn’t want to play, he already got what he wanted. Al’s clinging on to him to save face and not concede to his only number one overall pick being a bust. Of course he’s not really a bust, anyway. No QB can succeed in this system. Drew Brees would be a bust in this system. So would Manning, Peyton and the retarded younger one.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Russell doesn’t have a job. He hustled Al Davis, he and his agent. It is Al Davis’s job, on the other hand, to build a Super Bowl team. Unless, of course, Al Davis is just a hustler too, taking money from dumb fans.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:08 pm
Trade DMAC for Cooper Manning!!
March 15th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 2:18 pm
SacRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:42 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 1:06 pm
I agree with you about Manning and Warner, but let’s not forget about their receivers. More importantly, it’s the chemistry those guys have with their receivers that took years to develop. You need that trust to get the ball out quick. Say what you want about JR, but no one can deny that there’s been a revolving door at receiver since he was drafted. And then he gets rookies as starters? Can we really kill the guy for not having great chemistry with Murphy and DHB? Especially when DHB not only couldn’t catch a cold. JR gets a do-over.
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Didn’t Manning have 2 rookies that stepped up this year and he had great chemistry with them? The only carry-over he has is Wayne. Warner thrived in his first year with the Cards. It didn’t take years. The difference between Manning/Warner and Russell is work ethic.. Keep grasping at straws..
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Dude, are you nuts???? The day Manning walked in the door he had MARVIN HARRISON!! Ever heard of him? He’s been with Reggie Wayne, a Pro Bowler for what, 8 years? He also has Dallas Clark, another Pro Bowler who is widely considered to be the best receiving tight end in football. At least Garcon is a second-year player. He had one rookie in Austin Collie, but the guy can work in as a complimentary player. We started two rookies!!! One was DHB!! Did you see how much better Murphy was when he didn’t have to start with Chaz and JLH taking the opposing teams’ best corners? You really call that grasping at straws??
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I don’t remember Harrison being on their team last year? Clark got hurt part way thru. If you think Manning doesn’t spend extra time with these young receivers then you are mistaken. Russell doesn’t do anything extra..
Did you see how much better Murphy was when both Grads and Frye started? You’re making my argument for me. Grads and Frye both outplayed Russell and showed better chemistry with all their receivers..
March 15th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Maybe Al banged his head on the toilet hanging a picture and conceived the flux capacitor this offseason.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
LMAO! Manning and Russell being discussed in the same post. I’ve heard it all now. Man, some of you can spin like nobody’s business. Back to the receivers argument, I see. How exactly do you explain a journeyman cast-off like Grads outplaying Russell with the same cast around him?
March 15th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
HA, Dakota that link never get’s old!
March 15th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
How exactly do you explain a journeyman cast-off like Grads outplaying Russell with the same cast around him?
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Because it was NOT the same cast.
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March 15th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Peter King’s take on the trade:
“The Raiders get a rusher. Maybe. Kamerion Wimbley, the Browns’ first-round pick in 2006, got off to a great start rushing the passer for Cleveland, with 11 sacks in 16 games as a rookie. In the 47 games since, Wimbley’s had 15.5 sacks and too often gets caught in traffic, unable to consistently turn the corner and get to the passer. The Raiders paid a third-round pick for Wimbley on Sunday, a price I think is a little generous — except when you consider they dealt another pass-rusher, Derrick Burgess to New England for third- and fifth-round picks last year, and Wimbley is much younger than Burgess.”
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So basically King thinks we paid too much, but not really when you consider what the Pats paid for Burgess.
Chalk one up for Al!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Gotcha by a few Dakota! LOL
March 15th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Hey Krappy, just wondering if you ever found a big gay sailor to satisfy your old man cravings on Saturday night.
Remember how desperately you wanted a hot hunk to satisfy your male cravings? I guess you really can take the sailor out of the Navy, but you just can’t take the Navy out of the sailor.
So did you find the man of your dreams, old wack job?
March 15th, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Damn it exla, I have exclusive rights to use that picture on this blog. See you in court!
Gooooo Lakers!
March 15th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Dakota, you have my word that I will not use that picture until next time. Great minds think alike. LMFAO
March 15th, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Here is Russell training with his shirt off….caution, this link may contain material that is disgusting…parental guidance is advised:
http://www.freewebs.com/gube_site/fat-black-guy_sm.jpg
March 15th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
That is not a very strong promise exla…like Al promising not to hire another schytty coach…until next time.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
It’s a team sport. Show up and work out with your teammates Jamarcus and you might even build some rapport with them. Plus you might even gain some of there respect. Also, maybe you could look at film together and get on the same page when you see break downs on the defensive side of the ball. Just thoughts. We want a winner. It’s time for Jamarcus to act like one.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Russell doing squats!:
http://nsurgent.innominate0.org/insurgen.info/w/images/9/9d/125208273045.jpg
March 15th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
HA!!!!!!!!!!
March 15th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
The Big Banana Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
LMAO! Manning and Russell being discussed in the same post. I’ve heard it all now. Man, some of you can spin like nobody’s business. Back to the receivers argument, I see. How exactly do you explain a journeyman cast-off like Grads outplaying Russell with the same cast around him?
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Dude, how many times do we have to go over this??? JR and Grads did NOT play with the same supporting cast!! Did you get that? Chaz is the best WR we have and JR got to play with him for a half before a drop and two penalties got him benched. Bruce played with Chaz as the starter and Murphy coming in as a third WR. And after the Dallas debacle, DHB went to the bench and JLH came in. Think there’s any coincidence that the passing offense looked better after that? Did you see JR’s comeback drive against Denver? How did the JR-Chaz combo look then?
March 15th, 2010 at 3:44 pm
I quess I don’t have the pics of JaLoser you have come across. Great detective work. LMFAO! Gross.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Love that cape:
http://www.bay-area-sports-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/jamarcus-russell-mardi-gras.jpg
March 15th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Al Davis is going to have to get rid of Russell. Wow. Think about that. First Russell hoses him in the contract negotiations, then Al doesn’t get anything out of him anyway, meaning Al’s early suspicions were correct. Why did Al cave into his demands in the first place? Al had the perfect excuse to just refuse to sign him, with the entire media on Al’s side (a rarity). I have an idea: “He’s a great playah, get over it”.
March 15th, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Dakota…#439..lol..
Thats effed up….I need some pepto after seeing that..
March 15th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
A little historical information regarding the Raiders drafting LB’s in 1st & 2nd rounds
2006 Thomas Howard – 2nd round
2002 Napoleon Harris – 1(B) round*
1994 Rob Fredrickson – 1st round*
1990 Aaron Wallace – 2nd round
1982 Jack Squirek – 2nd Round
1980 Matt Millen – 2nd round
* In the history of the Raider from 1960 to present, there has only been 2 LB drafted in the 1st round
March 15th, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Who is David Nixon?
March 15th, 2010 at 4:07 pm
BREAKING NEWS: David Nixon signed his tender!
March 15th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
JB, you’re comparing Ron Wolf’s draft picks of when we were good to Al Davis’s draft picks in more recent years. A lofty argument on its premise.
March 15th, 2010 at 4:13 pm
David Nixon – LB
Years: 2
Age: 24
Born: 1985-03-16
Height: 6-3
Weight: 225
College: Brigham Young
He was either obtained as a FA or via trade. Was NOT drafted by Raiders.
March 15th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Did anyone get a chance to listen to my band?
March 15th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
RaiderDebo,
Are you in JaMarcus’ entourage or just delusional? Guy had 3 TD passes and 18 turnovers last season. Has been blasted left and right for a failure to give any effort whatsoever. Under that cloud is a no-show to the first OTA.
And I’m someone who wanted to draft him and was defending him a few games into last season. But let’s face it: big strong guy, once in a generation arm, but the day he signed that first contract is the day he retired. He may never play another down in the NFL again. Al will probably give him one more shot, but that’s no guarantee. If he loafs his way through this off-season and looks terrible in preseason I don’t think even Al is going to hand him $9.5 million more to ride the bench. That means he’s either cut or riding the pine. If he gets cut some other team MIGHT be willing to sign him but they’ll cut him loose quickly if he continues to go about his business this way.
March 15th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Nixon was signed as an undrafted free agent out of BYU last season. Spent most of the year on the practice squad and saw some action late (mainly on special teams) when other guys got injured.
March 15th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
That’s me in the hat:
http://www.liquid-blue.com/hotnews/images/two%20from%20blue.jpg
March 15th, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Charged Down, I told you I’d consider letting your new band play one of my upcoming party boat events IF your mom is available to drive you guys to Marina Del Rey.
And I don’t know how you’re going to get out of school to make sound check.
March 15th, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Raiders Grief Counselor Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Love that cape:
http://www.bay-area-sports-blog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/jamarcus-russell-mardi-gras.jpg
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I have one just like that. Got it 90% off on the clearance rack at TJ Maxx. Still waiting for the right event to break it out for though.
March 15th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
Beeecham, enough with the age jokes. I’m a man, I’m 40.
March 15th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
SacRaider Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
I don’t remember Harrison being on their team last year? Clark got hurt part way thru. If you think Manning doesn’t spend extra time with these young receivers then you are mistaken. Russell doesn’t do anything extra..
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Manning had Reggie Wayne and Anthony Gonzales with Dallas Clark as his main receivers. Those guys are all vets. We had two rookies. I think the guys you are thinking of are Garcon and Austin Collie. Collie is a rookie, Garcon was a 2nd year player last year. It is hard to compare Peyton Manning to Jamarcus Russell. Peyton Manning has a former NFL Pro Bowl QB as his father. Jamarcus doesn’t have a father around him. Manning has pro bowlers in Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday, and Dallas Clark. I don’t want to make excuses for Russell but how many pro bowl players is he surrounded with?
March 15th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
RaiderDebo,
Are you in JaMarcus’ entourage or just delusional? Guy had 3 TD passes and 18 turnovers last season. Has been blasted left and right for a failure to give any effort whatsoever. Under that cloud is a no-show to the first OTA.
And I’m someone who wanted to draft him and was defending him a few games into last season. But let’s face it: big strong guy, once in a generation arm, but the day he signed that first contract is the day he retired. He may never play another down in the NFL again. Al will probably give him one more shot, but that’s no guarantee. If he loafs his way through this off-season and looks terrible in preseason I don’t think even Al is going to hand him $9.5 million more to ride the bench. That means he’s either cut or riding the pine. If he gets cut some other team MIGHT be willing to sign him but they’ll cut him loose quickly if he continues to go about his business this way.
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Sure man, you’re right. I mean the guy eats fried chicken and wears “ice” to basketball games. How could he be any good? Lol! Already know where you stand on JR.
March 16th, 2010 at 7:16 am
RaiderDebo Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Chris in NY Says:
March 15th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
RaiderDebo,
Are you in JaMarcus’ entourage or just delusional? Guy had 3 TD passes and 18 turnovers last season. Has been blasted left and right for a failure to give any effort whatsoever. Under that cloud is a no-show to the first OTA.
And I’m someone who wanted to draft him and was defending him a few games into last season. But let’s face it: big strong guy, once in a generation arm, but the day he signed that first contract is the day he retired. He may never play another down in the NFL again. Al will probably give him one more shot, but that’s no guarantee. If he loafs his way through this off-season and looks terrible in preseason I don’t think even Al is going to hand him $9.5 million more to ride the bench. That means he’s either cut or riding the pine. If he gets cut some other team MIGHT be willing to sign him but they’ll cut him loose quickly if he continues to go about his business this way.
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Sure man, you’re right. I mean the guy eats fried chicken and wears “ice” to basketball games. How could he be any good? Lol! Already know where you stand on JR.
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So what. I admit I thought we should draft JaMarcus back in 2007. I’d love it if we signed Troy Smith right now. I got nothing against black QBs.
Don’t blame me because your boy turned himself into a blinged out, bloated 275 pound stereotype.
You didn’t answer my question. What’s your weekly allowance as a member of his entourage? Or are you just extremely delusional?
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