The first-round myth
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, March 21st, 2010 at 9:16 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The company line coming from the Raiders trade for linebacker Kamerion Wimbley was that it added a fourth first-round draft pick to their defense.
When they made the trade public, that fact was stressed to every media member because, well, I can only assume, that was by decree of Al Davis.
Davis loves talent. Big bodies, the fastest 40-yard dash times. Imposing physiques. He believed in a team looking good “coming off the bus” decades ago and he believes it still.
First-round draft picks look good coming off the bus, regardless of which team was doing the picking. So Davis has firmly believed in not only his own first-round picks, but those of other teams, signing them up whenever possible after having washed out elsewhere.
He’s had some successes in this regard. Jim Plunkett and John Matuszak come to mind immediately but there are others.
So it wasn’t at all surprising when Wimbley was talked up for being the No. 13 overall pick in the 2006 draft. He joined Michael Huff (No. 7, 2006), Nnamdi Asomugha (No. 31, 2003) and Richard Seymour, (No. 6, 2001 ) as first-round picks on the Raiders defense. They failed to mention, of course, that Gerard Warren was the No. 3 overall pick in 2001 _ three spots head of Seymour _ and that he was let go rather than forking over a roster bonus.
If the Raiders are imposing because of having four picks in the first round, how good would they be with eight?
It happened once, with none of the players being over 32 years of age.
That same year, the Raiders had 10 offensive players who had been first-round picks none over the age of 31.
That’s 18 players on a 53-man roster who were picked in the first round, and if Elias or ESPN or anyone else with a computer has come up with more on a single team, I’d love to hear about it.
NFL Films would still be rhapsodizing over the the abundance of talent had it not been for one thing _ the 1997 Raiders were 4-12 under Joe Bugel. On defense, the Raiders finished last in the NFL in rushing yardage allowed, and last in passing yardage allowed _ which when you think about it is one of the most remarkable defensive statistics in league history given a team’s inclination to keep running when the run is going well.
If only to serve as a reminder that claiming first-round draft picks doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, here’s a roll call of the 1997 Raiders and their first-round draft picks, including their age and overall selection:
Defense
S Eric Turner, 29, 3rd in 1991 by Cleveland
DT Russell Maryland, 28, 1st, 1991 by Dallas
DT Chester McGlockton, 28, 16th, 1992 by Raiders
DT-DE Darrell Russell, 21, 2nd, 1997 by Raiders
DE Anthony Smith, 30, 11th, 1990 by Raiders
DE Aundray Bruce, 31, 1st, 1998 by Atlanta
CB Terry McDaniel, 32, 9th, 1988 by Raiders
LB Rob Fredrickson, 26, 22nd, 1994 by Raiders
Offense
WR Desmond Howard, 27, 4th, 1992 by Washington
WR Tim Brown, 31, 6th, 1988 by Raiders
RB Harvey Williams, 30, 21st, 1991, by Kansas City
QB Jeff George, 30, 1st, 1990, by Indianapolis
RB Napoleon Kaufman, 24, 18th, 1995 by Raiders
T Lincoln Kennedy, 26, 9th, 1993 by Atlanta
QB David Klingler, 28, 6th, 1992 by Cincinnati
T Pat Harlow, 28, 11th, 1991 by New England
G Lester Holmes, 28, 19th, 1993 by Philadelphia
TE Ricky Dudley, 25, 9th, 1996 by Raiders
For what it’s worth eight of those players were gone right after the 1998 season or not long after it started _ George, Bruce, Fredkrickson, Holmes, Klingler, McDaniel, McGlockton and Smith.
In their place arrived a pair of first-round draftees _ Charles Woodson and Mo Collins _ while a third, defensive tackle Leon Bender, died of an epileptic seizure before training cap. Derek Brown, a former first-round pick of the New York Giants (14th overall in 1992) signed as a free agent.
Key roles in free agency were filled by undrafted defensive end James Harris, linebacker Richard Harvey, an 11th round pick, and Anthony Newman, a former second round pick. Eric Allen, a former fourth-round pick, came from New Orleans by trade.
Whether by plan or by accident, the Raiders, with Jon Gruden as coach and Bruce Allen as senior assistant, appeared to be selling Davis on the notion of filling roster spots by skill set compatible to systems of football rather than a first-round prototype.
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March 21st, 2010 at 9:30 pm
ERIC BERRY @ 8!!
March 21st, 2010 at 9:32 pm
The Raiders can’t even begin to recover until Al Davis wheels himself aside.
March 21st, 2010 at 9:54 pm
I would take Berry @ 8
March 21st, 2010 at 9:55 pm
1- trade up for Suh, or draft an OT (Williams, Davis, or Campbell)
2- J Best or Lamarr Houston
3- B Spikes
4- Austen Lane or Sam Young
5- Ciron Black
5- CB Thurmond or Stoudamire
7- FB
March 21st, 2010 at 9:57 pm
I wouldn’t draft Dan Williams in the 1st when I can draft T Williams, Davis, Campbell, and a good DT like Lamarr in the 2nd.
March 21st, 2010 at 10:02 pm
Berry is a great player, but I would pass on him. We don’t need another S. We need a DT, MLB, FB, and OL.
March 21st, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Trade up to Detroit’s pick for Suh assuming he isn’t the 1st pick of the draft. Swap this year’s first plus 2012’s first. Suh is the next Haynesworth on steroids so to speak.
March 21st, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Aundray Bruce was drafted by Atlanta.
I know they had silver and black uniforms too Jerry, but it’s a different team.
March 21st, 2010 at 11:15 pm
It says Atlanta…….And they were always red and black,black and white.Never silver
March 21st, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Funny to see these mock drafts by you guys every year,yet Weird Al always does the unexpected.When has he taken a big college name outside of the 1st round? I remember last year when everyone was saying Ron Brace.Al didnt want him.Point i’m making is its a waste of time to predict Raider draft.
March 21st, 2010 at 11:24 pm
Also,Leon Bender was a supplemental 2nd round pick,sandwiched between the 1st and 2nd round.I remember that well,sad story.
March 21st, 2010 at 11:42 pm
It’s not a waste of time if you enjoy it. Al will draft who he wants, but atleast we can have fun till then.
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:12 am
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March 22nd, 2010 at 5:13 am
Sad reading, but thats the load we must carry being fans of an team with an inept owner….
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:32 am
Wearing red today in honor of the great communist victory yesterday. Rejoice, comrades!
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:43 am
For once I agree with Jerry. First round picks carry so much risk. Teams should take the safer options (considering the money) but usually then get criticised for ‘reaching’ and ‘over-paying’.
If Eric Berry falls to No8 we shouldn’t blink – he is just a great athlete, a smart player, a great character and would be an upgrade on Huff at FS. Otherwise, I think there are three low risk picks for us:
1) Maurkice Pouncey – the best Center in the draft and plenty big enough to play Guard in the ZBS. Has all the physical characteristics you want but is also very smart and a high character.
2) Dan Williams – another Vol but he’s very strong, athletic, competitive and never hides from work. He might not make the HoF but he will do a great job for the next 10 years.
3) Charles Brown – the next Sam Baker. Not as flash as Okung, Williams or Bulaga, maybe doesn’t have the same ‘upside’ but this kid is tough, well-trained, smart and a great fit.
I would be much happier with one of these three than I would with the flashier alternatives.
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:44 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:53 am
Scottish..
how do you feel about QB Mike Kafka in the 3rd or 4th round? I really think he has IT..
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:09 am
hey LMN!!! =) how you doing bro?
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:17 am
LMN,
I think he has potential and could be the one if Hue wants a project – just not sure about the round.
If we want to use a 3rd, then Jarrett Brown is perhaps more exciting than Kafka. I would prefer we used our 3rd and 4th on linemen but if Kafka is around in the 5th, maybe. I would have a slight preference for Jonathon Crompton or Sean Canfield – both have more experience against better defences. The real high risk is still Ryan Perrilloux – first round talent, seventh round brain.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:20 am
Jerry is right. The only thing standing between the Raiders and another trophy is finding more first rounder washouts. Excellent breakdown JMac. Worth the wait.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:22 am
408…
im doing great, the spring is just around the corner, I can smell it and certainly feel it =)
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:24 am
Scottish..
yeah, im with you we have more important things to påick, in 3rd and 4th..
I just like the kid, I really see him as a future starter.. if he is there in the 5th and we dont pick him its a sign of that we will never turn this muddafukker of a ship round..
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 am
take care guys, gotta go, back in 5hours time : / *sigh*
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:33 am
The real high risk is still Ryan Perrilloux – first round talent, seventh round brain.
…and with that, we will pick him high!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:39 am
I’d love to see the Raiders build the line from the inside out. Iaputi @ #8, then maybe Pouncey and Ducasse in the next couple of rounds. I think the addition of these guys along with Gallery, Barnes, Henderson, Satele, and Pears, they would have a strong line with needed depth.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:44 am
408RAIDER Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:32 am
Wearing red today in honor of the great communist victory yesterday. Rejoice, comrades!
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I needed that this morning..
ROTFLMAO
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:45 am
What are you West Coasters doing up so early?
After last year’s pick of DHB, I have less faith than ever in Big Al. In fact, we’ve had top 10 picks for the last six years and have gotten almost no production from them.
He’ll probably take Bruce Campbell or Taylor Mays or Jason Pierre-Paul or some other workout warrior.
But next year will be worse, when we watch the Pats use our first round pick on a big-time player as Richard Seymour continues to fade.
To think that it’s come down to this: Bruce Gradkowski has to be the savior of the Oakland Raiders.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:50 am
so far …
RaiderRockstar: Dan Williams (03/18)
RaiderResurrection: Dan Williams (03/18)
SnB offense defense specialteams: Dan Williams (03/18)
Inonewordraider: Dan Williams (03/18)
Ottocrat: Dan Williams (03/18)
Florida Pete: Dan Williams (03/18)
RNOraiderFan: Dan Williams (03/21)
Al DAVIS HAS COJONES: Dan Williams (03/21)
Thec07: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
DKnight007: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
The Big Banana: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
LA to TheBay: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
HairyBush: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Ryan: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Ghost to the Post: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Raider O: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder: Ndamukong Suh (3/19)
R8eray: Ndamukong Suh (3/19)
Memo: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Seymour Bush: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Jonesy941: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
SteveAlford21: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
GG: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
JB: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
RaiderLen: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
RaidingTexas: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Mcfaddenswaggon: Ndamukong Suh (03/21)
909RaiderLifer: Brian Price (03/19)
DMAC: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Richochet: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Severeraiderz: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Raiderglory34: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Vegas Raider: Rolando McClain (03/19)
Senior Beeecham: Kyle Wilson (03/19)
Silvernblack209: Taylor Mays (03/19)
Scottish Raider: Eric Berry (03/21)
GMoney8: Eric Berry (03/21)
Edward Teach: Maurkice Pouncey (03/21)
Raiderzmaverick: Russell Okung (03/18)
KoolKell: Russell Okung (03/18)
Hwnrdr: Russell Okung (03/19)
Hellsbells: Anthony Davis (03/18)
Jhill: Anthony Davis (03/18)
408RAIDER: Anthony Davis (03/19)
Dakota: Anthony Davis (03/19)
NorthernD: Trent Williams (03/20)
El Tato: Trent Williams (03/18)
Raiders4eve: Trent Williams (03/18)
Nnamdi21: Trent Williams (03/18)
The Judge: Brian Bulaga (03/18)
SD_Raider_619: Brian Bulaga (03/19)
PassTheCheetos: Bruce Campbell (03/21)
Buckeyeraider: Mike Iupati (03/18)
Burque Raider: Mike Iupati (03/21)
RaiderDebo: Dez Bryant (03/18)
SharkCatcher: Dez Bryant (03/18)
Plunketthead: Ryan Matthews (03/19)
SATANFEARS ALDAVIS: Jimmy Clausen (03/18)
The Real MaddenRaider: Tim Tebow (03/18)
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 am
still need picks from NY, BSJ, LMN, Dirt Lot & stoopidmike
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 am
Hey NY,
I know that I am up early because I have to start work at 5:30AM here. But goodness, I hope you are wrong on that comment. (but who am I kidding..)
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:54 am
LMN… Are you really saying that if we fail to draft QB Mike Kafka in the 5th round that it’s a sign that the franchise will never turn around?
I hope for your sake somebody outdoes you, but right now you’re the leader in the clubhouse for Least Thought Out Post of the Day.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:55 am
BTW: To all who follows March Madness…
Who took a big blow in their brackets following Kansas big upset loss on Saturday? LOL…I think we all did, huh?
Back to Raider football…uhhh…nothing here…back to you!
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:01 am
Rockstar,
I do think Berry might fall to 8 and that we would be mad to pass up such a talent – even if it isn’t our biggest need.
The best value would be Jimmy Clausen. I think he is much better than Brady Quinn and much tougher than Sam Bradford. We don’t have a first round pick in 2011. If JaWobble doesn’t take big steps forward in 2010, we will need to draft a franchise QB. Gradkowski is a great short-term fix but no more. We therefore have no chance of getting Locker or Luck or one of the other top 2011 QBs. The safest option is to take Clausen now. At worse, if JR improves, we trade Clausen next season. At best, we have found our franchise QB.
All logic suggests that if Clausen is on the Board at No8 and assuming we get no decent trade offers, we bring Jimmy back to California.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:09 am
Scottish:
Suh, McCoy, Clausen, Berry, Okung.
if ANY of these players are available at #8 there will be teams calling Al Davis trying to work out a trade.
I’m pretty sure Sam Bradford is headed to St Louis …
no guarantee grandpa al will pull the trigger, but you know there will be teams itching to draft one of these studs
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:13 am
Kiper has Clausen headed to the Skins.
McShay has Shanny taking Okung at #4.
I think Shanny will take Okung and get Colt McCoy or Dan LeFever in round 2 or 3 …
and unless a team trades up for him, Jimmy Clausen will be selected 9th overall -Buffalo
Dan Williams will be taken by Denver and he’ll dominate Satele (even as a rookie)
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:18 am
If Jimmy Clausen is there I don’t think Al takes him. Al always looks for QBs with the strong arm to throw the vertticle long ball even though we usually do better with QBs throwing short passes with a quick release, but we are talking about Al. I don’t think Clausen throws the deep ball well enough to get drafted by Grandpa Al!
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:18 am
How many of Kiper and McShay’s top ten pick from March were right last year?
Remember Aaron Curry was the consensus best player in the draft last year and #1 pick.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:19 am
Shanarat isn’t working out Clausen – but he never worked out Cutler. I also expect him to take McCoy in the 2nd…or Tebow (who is going to Washington for a private workout).
The most likely home for Clausen is Cleveland but will Ol’Mike want to spend big bucks on a QB after shelling out millions for Jake the Fake?
40% chance that Clausen is on the Board at No8.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:21 am
Say what you want, but Al drafts NEED positions in Rd 1. May not always get the player right, but the postion is right way more often than not.
Oline is the biggest need this year. Got 2 QBs knocked out, and couldn’t pass protect long enough for the other one. If Russell wasn’t 300 lbs, he probably would’ve been hurt too.
Oline is the only way to go.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:22 am
AND, we will draft Mike Iupati before we go anywhere near Bruce Campbell.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:26 am
Did I mention the lack of running lanes?
Oline in Rd 1!
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:28 am
If Suh is available we will take him. Otherwise we are probably going to take Bulaga.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:29 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 am
still need picks from NY, BSJ, LMN, Dirt Lot & stoopidmike
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Is this who I want, or who Al will pick?
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:40 am
The most likely home for Clausen is Cleveland
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Scottish: Mike Holmgren basically came out and said that he’s not a Jimmy Clausen fan (see PFT)
so unless thats a smokescreen, I imagine they’ll take WR Dez Bryant or the best defensive player available (McClain, Morgan, Haden)
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:41 am
BSJ:
It’s who you want
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:42 am
If Suh is available we will take him. Otherwise we are probably going to take Bulaga.
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Madden: who would YOU pick?
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:43 am
Put me down for Suh.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:45 am
How many of Kiper and McShay’s top ten pick from March were right last year?
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Jhill: admittedly Kiper & McShay were blindsided by the DHB pick as most Raider fans were (but Mayock & Lombardi weren’t)
Kiper/McShay were both right about Russell & McFadden though
They are expecting Al Davis to draft Bruce Campbell this year and OT is a huge need. LOOK OUT!
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 am
If we do select Bruce Campbell this year, we could pair him with Hugh Jackson(man) and make a movie!
http://www.girlpants.org/manpants/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/bruce_campbell_evildead.jpg
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 am
Welcome to the USSA! United Socialist States of America!
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 am
Too early for politics, you red-baiter.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 am
Welcome to the USSA!
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no kidding *puke*
Karl Marx lives!
…he must have been on that island with Tupac
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 am
Al Davis is brilliant compared to this guy
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Karl_Marx.jpg
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 am
Bo,
lol….never too early!
The only thing scarier this weekend than the health care bill was Bynum getting injured again. I can take out nation getting bankrupted by the libs, but not the Lakers losing to the Cavs or Celtics in the finals….
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 am
Lombardo jumped on McShay’s bandwagon with the DHB thing. He’s a clown.
I think with the backlash Al took for DHB last year, there is NO WAY we take Bruce Campbell at #8 with the guys that will be left on the board. Now if we trade back to the teens or something, then …. Still can’t see it.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 am
our….not out…
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 am
Fix the O line please.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:56 am
I mean, is Bruce Campbell going to “clear out” areas for Gallery or Carlisle by using his 4.8 speed?
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:58 am
I think with the backlash Al took for DHB last year, there is NO WAY we take Bruce Campbell at #8 with the guys that will be left on the board.
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Al Davis doesn’t care what ANYBODY thinks Jhill.
DHB was going to be the last WR taken in the 1st round last year. Al Davis made him the first
Bruce Campbell will be the last OT taken in the 1st round this year, unless Al Davis makes him the first
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:59 am
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:53 am
Bo,
lol….never too early!
The only thing scarier this weekend than the health care bill was Bynum getting injured again. I can take out nation getting bankrupted by the libs, but not the Lakers losing to the Cavs or Celtics in the finals….
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Yes, Republicans had nothing to do with bankrupting the country.
It was their polices of rolling back anti trust laws and deregulating the finacial markets, starting a war under false pretense that costs a billion a day and eroding our freedoms and privacies.
Revise away though.
One question, all these Republican bent wartch dogs all over the Obama admin, where the **ck were you when Bush Cheney were raping the constitution and robbing the coffers?
Mm hmm…
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:59 am
I can take out nation getting bankrupted by the libs, but not the Lakers losing to the Cavs or Celtics in the finals….
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Funny, I had to deal with the Celts beating the Lakers at the same time the Repubs were bankrupting the nation with their useless wars and tax cuts for millionaires.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:00 am
I would take Bulaga.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 am
One question, all these Republican bent wartch dogs all over the Obama admin, where the **ck were you when Bush Cheney were raping the constitution and robbing the coffers?
Mm hmm…
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The difference: You can get away with ruining our nation if you suck ass to the rich white men and big corporations. If you speak up for the rest of us, you need impeaching.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
Prez BO was elected in 11/08.
why are we still talking about things 18+ months ago?
just like the Raiders, we should be asking the gov “what have you done for me lately?” IMO
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:05 am
Lol, works every time.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:04 am
Prez BO was elected in 11/08.
why are we still talking about things 18+ months ago?
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Oh, the economy was ruined in the last 13 months since inauguration?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:07 am
Trade Bynum. There I said it. Kid is a wuss.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:07 am
adios for now.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:09 am
I am pretty sure Bush had nothing to do with the economy falling apart. Try certain stupid businesses and Europeans.
However, Obama was the only one who had a chance to fix it, and look at the great job he did… oh wait!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:11 am
BSJ: fast forward 2 years from now
no matter what Prez BO does (or doesn’t do) the dems will still be crying “Bush/Cheney did so&so 3-4 years ago”
didn’t you guys want him elected for “hope & change” not more of the same or worse?
GWB = Bill Callahan
BO = Art Shell part 2
just the way I see it. sorry fellas
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:12 am
i’m done with politics.
so lets talk draft!
NT Dan Williams at #8 baby !!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 am
why don’t you clowns take that political crap somewhere else…
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:15 am
Davis loves talent. Big bodies, the fastest 40-yard dash times. Imposing physiques. He believed in a team looking good “coming off the bus” decades ago and he believes it still.
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Jhill: did you read Jerry Mac’s blog above?
what are your thoughts?
you told me a while back that we weren’t going to draft Campbell because the height/weight/speed thing was bogus. Jerry Mac thinks it’s not only legit, but still alive & well in Oakland
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:16 am
Burque:
you picked Mike Iupati. do you think he has a realistic shot at #8 or do you think it’s more of a trade-down scenario ?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:17 am
Is the first round really that important this year? As long as Al doesn’t pull a DHB I don’t really care who we draft. Whats important is rounds 2-4 imo.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:19 am
Simply put, Americans view themselves as some sort of evolutionary pinnacle when in reality they are a quite uneducated group as a whole and easily led around by platitudes and shyte-stirrers.
O-line in ‘010!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am
Whats important is rounds 2-4 imo.
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Madden: you picked Bulaga (OT)
so what are you hoping for in rounds 2-4 ???
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:20 am
Iupati isn’t good value at No8. I actually don’t think he is a first round prospect – he got murdered by Geno Atkins and others at the Senior. No, over-rated.
Atkins in the 2nd would be a good options for the Raiders if we don’t get Suh or McCoy or Williams in the 1st.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:22 am
O-line in ‘010!
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M: alright brother. OL it is
so who do you want?
Okung, Williams, Davis, Bulaga, Campbell or Iupati?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 am
Scottish: did you read post #45 ???
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:29 am
Rockstar
I wouldn’t have a problem taking Iaputi at #8, but this is based on who i think will be the best available need when they pick at #8.
I’d way rather draft Iaputi at than Campbell, or Bulaga.
If Suh, McCoy, or Okung are available at #8, then I’d have to reconsider, but even then i don’t think you can lose by drafting Iaputi…regardless of what draft position you take him at. He’s gonna be a bad ass for a long time, for who ever picks him up.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:31 am
fair enough Burque.
so if we draft a guard in the Top 10, what do we do about the OT & DT needs?
(and MLB if Morrison finds a new team)
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:31 am
Hey, we picked a G #2 overall once, so why not Iupati!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:33 am
Rockstar,
Davis.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 am
updated …
RaiderRockstar: Dan Williams (03/18)
RaiderResurrection: Dan Williams (03/18)
SnB offense defense specialteams: Dan Williams (03/18)
Inonewordraider: Dan Williams (03/18)
Ottocrat: Dan Williams (03/18)
Florida Pete: Dan Williams (03/18)
RNOraiderFan: Dan Williams (03/21)
Al DAVIS HAS COJONES: Dan Williams (03/21)
Thec07: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
DKnight007: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
The Big Banana: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
LA to TheBay: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
HairyBush: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Ryan: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Ghost to the Post: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Raider O: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder: Ndamukong Suh (3/19)
R8eray: Ndamukong Suh (3/19)
Memo: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Seymour Bush: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Jonesy941: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
SteveAlford21: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
GG: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
JB: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
RaiderLen: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
RaidingTexas: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Mcfaddenswaggon: Ndamukong Suh (03/21)
Bo Schembechler Jackson: Ndamukong Suh (03/22)
909RaiderLifer: Brian Price (03/19)
DMAC: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Richochet: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Severeraiderz: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Raiderglory34: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Vegas Raider: Rolando McClain (03/19)
Senior Beeecham: Kyle Wilson (03/19)
Silvernblack209: Taylor Mays (03/19)
Scottish Raider: Eric Berry (03/21)
GMoney8: Eric Berry (03/21)
Edward Teach: Maurkice Pouncey (03/21)
Raiderzmaverick: Russell Okung (03/18)
KoolKell: Russell Okung (03/18)
Hwnrdr: Russell Okung (03/19)
Hellsbells: Anthony Davis (03/18)
Jhill: Anthony Davis (03/18)
408RAIDER: Anthony Davis (03/19)
Dakota: Anthony Davis (03/19)
M Lonetree: Anthony Davis (03/22)
NorthernD: Trent Williams (03/20)
El Tato: Trent Williams (03/18)
Raiders4eve: Trent Williams (03/18)
Nnamdi21: Trent Williams (03/18)
The Judge: Brian Bulaga (03/18)
SD_Raider_619: Brian Bulaga (03/19)
Maddenraiderfan: Brian Bulaga (03/22)
PassTheCheetos: Bruce Campbell (03/21)
Buckeyeraider: Mike Iupati (03/18)
Burque Raider: Mike Iupati (03/21)
RaiderDebo: Dez Bryant (03/18)
SharkCatcher: Dez Bryant (03/18)
Plunketthead: Ryan Matthews (03/19)
SATANFEARS ALDAVIS: Jimmy Clausen (03/18)
The Real MaddenRaider: Tim Tebow (03/18)
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:36 am
Rockstar, could be a smokescreen but neither Wallace or Delhomme are more than stop-gap solutions. The Browns need a franchise QB and Holmgren has to take Clausen or wait for Locker/Luck in 2011 or trade for McNabb.
Chances are that the Browns will take Haden or Berry. So it is very possible that Clausen will still be there for the Raiders. Al must have realised that by taking Seymour he was limiting his QB options in 2011. If Russell isn’t the answer, who is?
And it isn’t Gradkowski. He’s just a bridge between Russell and the future.
40/60 that Clausen is a Raider in five weeks time.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 am
Scottish: Russell slimmed all the way down to 271 lbs and Al Davis brought in a 4th play caller for him
you don’t think that buys him another season?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
Scottish, I would love to see Clausen with the Raiders….but it just isn’t going to happen. Davis will waste another season or two on Russell before he admits defeat.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 am
I think if Eric Berry is there at #8, thats Al pick, and moves him to CB.
About the OTs:
- Okung: wont be there.
- Campbell: I think its not an option after last year failure with Bey.
- Bulaga: I dont think so after Gallery failure.
- Trent Williams: could be, but not sure after Oakland was the only NFL team not to attend Oklahoma Pro Day.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:42 am
Rockstar, that a good job
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 am
thanks El Tato!
so you want Eric Berry, or do you want to stick with Trent Williams ???
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 am
Our QB slimmed DOWN to 271 lbs… Called by Willie Brown “signifigant weight loss”…
I feel a sense of pride welling up in my everytime I read that kind of stuff.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:46 am
Given the fact we fail with every first rounder we select, I wouldnt mind if we take Iupati, at least he is considered a sure thing at Guard
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:47 am
Rockstar,
but that’s 271 lbs of JaMarginal fitness you’re talking ’bout. 271 lbs of royalty!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:44 am
thanks El Tato!
so you want Eric Berry, or do you want to stick with Trent Williams ???
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No, dont get me wrong, I want Trent Williams, but I think Berry could be the pick given our past record.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
RR… is that a list of who we think will be picked, or who we WANT to be picked?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
When a sure thing offensive tackle fails you can move him to guard. What happens when a sure thing guard fails? You move him to equipment manager?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 am
is that a list of who we think will be picked, or who we WANT to be picked?
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its who you WANT.
I don’t have one for you yet BCZ.
have you made a decision?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 am
# Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
When a sure thing offensive tackle fails you can move him to guard. What happens when a sure thing guard fails? You move him to equipment manager?
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The Raiders just moved one to Head Coach
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 am
LOL @ 271 lbs of royalty!
Dakota: a failed guard can stay at guard
(see Cooper Carlisle)
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 am
RRS,
As soon as I get an example of Al using HWS and applying it to the Oline and a top 10 pick, I’ll believe we are considering Bruce Campbell.
Tell me ONE offensive lineman that we’ve picked in the first round that backs up the Bruce Campbell theory?
If DB or WR were a need, then I could see the Al Davis HWS cliches. But Oline? Not buying it.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:53 am
The Raiders just moved one to Head Coach
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LOL!!!
ouch. zinger!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
Dakota,
failure of sure thing guard moves to either nose tackle or a bar stool.
hey, how’s your little Long Worthy Dakota doing?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
Sorry RR… I havent been around for a few days, been home enjoying the hell out of the NCAA tournament. My bracket is officially just a list of teams that lost, but the competition has been fantastic.
I would take Suh, if I had my choice of anyone.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 am
If DB or WR were a need, then I could see the Al Davis HWS cliches. But Oline? Not buying it.
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Jhill: fair enough
so you think the HWS thing is true, just doesn’t apply to the O-Line?
I don’t have any examples. Just thought it was interesting Jerry Mac posted something about it after we were debating it last week
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:56 am
RR
you can put me down for Trent Williams
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 am
BCZ & Midwest –
got your picks down
thanks guys!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:03 am
Everytime the the Raiders have dominated, they’ve had an excellent offensive line. All of today’s “experts” seem to think that this all begins with a good LT, but when the Raiders have dominated, it was because they had great centers (this is the most important position on the line), good guards, and tackles.
I know Iaputi’s not a center, but I think he’s the best interior lineman in the draft.
Build it from the inside out.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 am
Burque Raider:
if we draft a guard in the Top 10, what do we do about the OT & DT needs?
(and MLB if Morrison finds a new team)
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 am
MLB is a need even if Morrison stays. Kirk is a OLB, ideally.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 am
free agent news:
Cardinals sign OLB Joey Porter (Wimbley was their first choice)
Lions sign OLB Landon Johnson
Ravens sign DT Cory Redding
Jets re-sign WR David Clowney (in case they play Oakland again this year)
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:16 am
well hopefully we go DT 2nd round and then Angerer in the 4th. I would rather get a guard round 3-7 than round 1.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 am
Rockstar,
(see my post #26) As far as OT, i think between barnes, henderson and pears (maybe even gallery again), or even ducasse, or iaputi, we would be able to find a couple of good tackles. especially if the interior is playing good.
as far as defense goes, we’d still need to address the DT, LB, and maybe DB/S positions through free agency or the later rounds.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 am
Morning Nation
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 am
LOL.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-even-want-to-be-alive-anymore,11521/
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 am
If our draft went as follows I would be very excited.
1st OT
2nd DT
3rd MLB or DB
4th MLB or DB
5th Center
6th Perrilloux
7th Tim Brown
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:28 am
LOL.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/newest-bronco-brady-quinn-the-brody-qualls-era-has,17081/
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:29 am
Burque-
Tackles: Tra Thomas, Mike Gandy, Barry Sims & Chester Pitts
Guards: Shawn Andrews, Bobbie Williams, Randy Thomas & Ben Hamilton
Centers: Kevin Mawae
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 am
The Broncos have reportedly expressed “some interest” in free agent C Kevin Mawae.
Source: NFL.com
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 am
Trade up for Suh!!
Good morning Nation.
Needs: DT, OL, MLB, and FB. Agreed?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 am
Good morning all.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:41 am
Trent Williams.
“Unselfish player who works hard on the field and in practice. Plays through minor injuries. Returned to school despite being a probable second-round pick in order to return to the BCS championship and complete his education.”
Good agility for size. Not ideal for ZBS, but good feet. Kick slide needs polish but should be ok on the right side.
Excellent power blocker, especially for the run.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 am
To bad Shawn Andrews is unsound. Had enuff of that with Robbins thank you very little.
Eagels bent over backwards for this guy. Even broght in his brother to play along side him.
Bad back and mental issues = early NFL exit.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:44 am
I’d take anyone who’d contribute from day 1.Woodson was the last player to do that,and that’s way too long.
………but if I could pick,it would be Suh.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am
I really like Williams. I think if you watch his game film he is really the most physical disciplined of all the Offensive Tackles. Good Morning all.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 am
A good point has been brought up, which could add to the festivities
It’s who posters WANT, AND who posters actually believe Al is going to pick.
There in lies the fun..because anyone can toss out a name, even one like Suh that will be long gone…BUT trying to figure out how the old coot is going to roll makes the dart board a lot smaller…of course, with Al…a lot bigger
Anyway, yah or nay, the following is my updated pick (s).
updated …
RaiderRockstar: Dan Williams (03/18)
RaiderResurrection: Dan Williams (03/18)
SnB offense defense specialteams: Dan Williams (03/18)
Inonewordraider: Dan Williams (03/18)
Ottocrat: Dan Williams (03/18)
Florida Pete: Dan Williams (03/18)
RNOraiderFan: Dan Williams (03/21)
Al DAVIS HAS COJONES: Dan Williams (03/21)
Thec07: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
DKnight007: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
The Big Banana: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
LA to TheBay: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
HairyBush: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Ryan: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Ghost to the Post: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Raider O: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder: Ndamukong Suh (3/19)
R8eray: Ndamukong Suh (3/19)
Memo: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Seymour Bush: Ndamukong Suh (03/19)
Jonesy941: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
SteveAlford21: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
GG: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
JB: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
RaiderLen: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
RaidingTexas: Ndamukong Suh (03/18)
Mcfaddenswaggon: Ndamukong Suh (03/21)
Bo Schembechler Jackson: Ndamukong Suh (03/22)
909RaiderLifer: Brian Price (03/19)
DMAC: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Richochet: Rolando McClain (03/18)AL’s Pick: Mays (3/22)
Severeraiderz: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Raiderglory34: Rolando McClain (03/18)
Vegas Raider: Rolando McClain (03/19)
Senior Beeecham: Kyle Wilson (03/19)
Silvernblack209: Taylor Mays (03/19)
Scottish Raider: Eric Berry (03/21)
GMoney8: Eric Berry (03/21)
Edward Teach: Maurkice Pouncey (03/21)
Raiderzmaverick: Russell Okung (03/18)
KoolKell: Russell Okung (03/18)
Hwnrdr: Russell Okung (03/19)
Hellsbells: Anthony Davis (03/18)
Jhill: Anthony Davis (03/18)
408RAIDER: Anthony Davis (03/19)
Dakota: Anthony Davis (03/19)
M Lonetree: Anthony Davis (03/22)
NorthernD: Trent Williams (03/20)
El Tato: Trent Williams (03/18)
Raiders4eve: Trent Williams (03/18)
Nnamdi21: Trent Williams (03/18)
The Judge: Brian Bulaga (03/18)
SD_Raider_619: Brian Bulaga (03/19)
Maddenraiderfan: Brian Bulaga (03/22)
PassTheCheetos: Bruce Campbell (03/21)
Buckeyeraider: Mike Iupati (03/18)
Burque Raider: Mike Iupati (03/21)
RaiderDebo: Dez Bryant (03/18)
SharkCatcher: Dez Bryant (03/18)
Plunketthead: Ryan Matthews (03/19)
SATANFEARS ALDAVIS: Jimmy Clausen (03/18)
The Real MaddenRaider: Tim Tebow (03/18)
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:52 am
Yeah, like that idea.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 am
126. He does. I think Bulaga’s the most technically sound or “NFL ready”. Don’t see him getting to us at 8 though.
Never know.
Stranger things have happened.
I see alot of these tackles going higher than their rating and thats simply because of need.
Hope we get a good one who can play right away other wise its Barnes or worseon the right side.
Not sure if Barnes has ever played RT.
He bished about wanting LT duties last year rather than getting playing time for Green on the right.
We’ll see, never know with Al…
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 am
What idea’s that DMAC ?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:53 am
If mario henderson the starting Left tackle was drafted in the 3rd round, there aint no way we take a olineman with the #8 overall. Too much money to pay a right tackle and they’re not moving henderson from the left side.
1. Dan Williams
2. Bruce Campbell
3. Brandon Ghee
4. Sean Lee
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 am
LMAO @ RMR picking Tebow!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 am
Have to watch out for Denver.
They could end up with Big Dan AND Rolando McLain.
If thats the case we better HOPE we chose O linemen.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 am
Making a list of potential Al picks.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
Understood.
Is there enough room on this blog for that list ?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
131. Cojones: I see Sean Lee going before the 4th.
He’s had some issues with knee injury and isn’t the fastest, but seems like an impact player who’s just always around the ball and making plays.
Tepid measurables, but a high motor, high character guy who simply makes plays.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 am
Rich, I dont think Mays ran well enough at the combine to make Uncle Als draftboard. Wasnt there talk that he had a terrible time changing direction and back pedaling?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 am
Sure, at least for the 1st round.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
F*ck Denver!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 am
If we are making a list of potential Al picks then we need a list of EVERY guy in college eligible to play pro football. Mike Mitchell is case and point… you couldn’t even reach for that pick because no one outside of Ohio ever heard of the guy…
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 am
A few people here did know about Mitchell, and were happy when we drafted him.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:05 am
It’s Beer o’clock over here.
Have a great Monday everyone.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Miami is high on D. Wiliams. I say lets swap firft and pick up there third. May have to jump in from of Bills to get him.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Firsts sorry
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:06 am
Neilb Lucky!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 am
Anthony Davis OT
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 am
Then trade 2nd and thrid get back into late first and grab Pouncy center from FLA.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:26 am
Trade up for Suh!! The guy is a BEAST! I don’t agree that McCoy is as good as Suh.
Suh is the best player in this draft. We need a DT, so why not go (all in) and trade up fir one of the best DT prospects in the last 15 years.
Best DT prospects in the 15 IMHO are: D Russell (RIP), Big Albert, Nagata, and SUH.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:27 am
If we’re going DT. I like Brian Price.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:27 am
For*
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:28 am
Health Care for All! Yes.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
add a QB to the “open competition”
J.P. Losman
Jeff Garcia
Mark Brunell
Todd Collins
Chris Simms
John Beck
Josh McCown
Patrick Ramsey
Charlie Batch
Kyle Boller
Daunte Culpepper
Joey Harrington
Jon Kitna
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:30 am
El Tato Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 am
# Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:48 am
When a sure thing offensive tackle fails you can move him to guard. What happens when a sure thing guard fails? You move him to equipment manager?
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The Raiders just moved one to Head Coach
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LMAO!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:31 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
running back to replace Fargas. insurance in case DMC gets hurt or Bush needs a breather
Willie Parker
Ladell Betts
Rock Cartwright
Brian Westbrook
Edgerrin James
Michael Bennett
Chris Brown
Samkon Gado
Ahman Green
Kevin Jones
LaMont Jordan
Jamal Lewis
Adrian Peterson (Bears)
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 am
M Lonetree Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 am
Dakota,
failure of sure thing guard moves to either nose tackle or a bar stool.
hey, how’s your little Long Worthy Dakota doing?
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4 weeks old and eats like Jamarcus Russell….has a meal every two-three hours!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
Lawton/Reece at FB is a joke. so was Gary Russell
Brad Hoover
Justin Griffith
Lorenzo Neal
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 am
speaking of mike mitchell, man did that guy allow a lot of touchdowns last season
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
Javon Walker is finally gone. this WR corps needs a vet mentor with something left in the tank, especially with Sanjay Lal coaching the unit
Terrell Owens
Torry Holt
Kevin Curtis
Marty Booker
Laveranues Coles
Mike Furrey
Joey Galloway
Isaac Bruce
Domenik Hixon
Muhsin Muhammad
Josh Reed
Bobby Wade
Kelley Washington
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am
J.P. Losman – awesome prospect
Jeff Garcia – wouldnt play behind russell last year, dont think he would this year
Mark Brunell – too old, we would be in trouble if we need him
Todd Collins – viable option
Chris Simms – never been the same since the spleen injury
John Beck – dont know enough about him to guess 1 way or the other
Josh McCown – didnt we already play that game?
Patrick Ramsey – i dont like him, but hey i didnt like gradkowski last year either
Charlie Batch – i would be SHOCKED if Pitt didnt find a way to resign him with Rapeloesthburgers issues
Kyle Boller – has to be better than Frye
Daunte Culpepper – played that game when we were 2-14 no thanks
Joey Harrington – viable option
Jon Kitna – better qb than any on our roster right now
Thats just my opinion on those guys
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 am
speaking of mike mitchell, man did that guy allow a lot of touchdowns last season
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NE: should I put you down for Berry or Mays then?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 am
Don’t get too excited, Krappy. Expanded health care does NOT mean you suddenly get unlimited free adult diapers.
I know this will crush your dreams, but America wasn’t built in a day, you crusty old goat!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
Besides Gallery and possibly Henderson, the entire O-Line is trash
C Kevin Mawae
C Casey Rabach
C John Wade
T Tra Thomas
T Mike Gandy
T Damion Cook
T Damion McIntosh
T Levi Jones
T Orlando Pace
T Ephraim Salaam
T Langston Walker
T Chester Pitts
T Brandon Gorin
T Dennis Norman
G Bobbie Williams
G Randy Thomas
G Shawn Andrews
G Ben Hamilton
G Kynan Forney
G Montrae Holland
G Seth McKinney
G Tutan Reyes
G Kendall Simmons
G Keydrick Vincent
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 am
Joey Galloway was absolutely TERRIBLE in NE… no help to us at all. Tory Holt or Isaac Bruce would be nice free agent additions.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
If Trevor Scott & Kam Wimbley both stay at OLB (who knows?) we’ll need some depth behind Seymour & Shaughnessy
Charles Grant
Leonard Little
Adewale Ogunleye
Darren Howard
Greg Ellis
Alfonso Boone
Ryan Denney
Jared DeVries
Marques Douglas
James Hall
Reggie Hayward
Vonnie Holliday
Jevon Kearse
Travis Kirschke
Kenny Peterson
Bryan Robinson
Paul Spicer
Dewayne White
Jimmy Wilkerson
Renaldo Wynn
Chike Okeafor (OLB)
Derrick Burgess (OLB)
Jason Taylor (OLB)
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:40 am
Lol, like Al is going to sign a WR that might take throws away from his prized DHB!
I seriously doubt it.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 am
bcz24 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 am
J.P. Losman – awesome prospect
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This is a joke, right?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
Warren & Joseph are finally done in Oakland. nothing starter quality here, but we could use some depth after drafting a beast NT (Dan Williams?) next month
Cornelius Griffin
J’Vonne Parker
Kendrick Clancy
Howard Green
Damione Lewis
Hollis Thomas
Jeff Zgonina
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 am
Warriors up for sale! Maybe the Government should take them over?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
Yes!!!!!!Finally!!!!!!
Sale Cohan!!!!!!!!!!!Sale!!!!!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
Not at all Debo… I think he is an awesome prospect. Sign him to a 0 guarantee’s contract and give him a shot. I bet he is an upgrade over any QB we have. He is not as bad as he looked in Buffalo. He has a cannon for an arm and can actually throw it near a receiver. If we get through camp and he looks like the same QB he was in Buffalo… we cut him. No loss to us.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
Kirk Morrison can still be had in free agency for a 3rd rounder. If he finds a new home, we’ll need somebody who can compete with Ricky Brown and possibly a rookie for the starting MLB job in Oakland
Antonio Pierce
Akin Ayodele
Ryan Fowler
Jeff Ulbrich
Jeremiah Trotter
Zach Thomas
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:48 am
I wish Al would sell the Raiders…..
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am
…even to the Government….
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 am
Free Agents that could possibly help Oakland:
No depth at CB beyond Asomugha, Johnson & Routt. players like Bowie, Waddell, Horton & Holland have failed to stick as 4th CB. Should one of the BIG 3 get dinged up we’ll need a player that can play nickel corner as well.
Dre’ Bly
Lito Sheppard
Ralph Brown
Nick Harper
Walt Harris
Anthony Henry
Ken Lucas
Deshea Townsend
Nathan Vasher
Fred Smoot
Tye Hill
Will Allen
Phillip Buchanon
Torrie Cox
Vernon Fox
Corey Ivy
William James
Frank Walker
Dante Wesley
Ty Law
Chris McAlister
Mike McKenzie
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 am
I would love to have Okung but he’ll be long gone…
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 am
rockstar
lol. im not sure. it seems as though whoever we pick in round 1, they turn out to be a scrub. i think we need oline help, however i think we could find that help in rounds after 3rd. wouldn’t mind a beast mlb, or dt. i think our defense has top 5 potential. depends on where seymour will play. if they move him inside, which looks to be the case, any mlb would suffice.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:50 am
Hey RR, What do you think?????????
Eagles MLB Stewart Bradley wrapped up his ACL rehab a couple of weeks ago.
Bradley will probably still be limited right up until training camp, but could offer value as a late-round pick in IDP drafts should he keep his job in the middle. The Eagles are likely to pick a linebacker early in April’s draft, though the specific LB position they’ll target remains to be seen.
Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:52 am
anybody impressed with the remaining free agent crop the Raiders have to choose from ???
Al Davis could wait another 3-4 weeks (just before the draft) to get some of these dirt cheap players that nobody else wants
Hopefully he’ll get guys that are better that what we’ve got on the roster and doesn’t feel the need to overpay for their services!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:53 am
what is the word on thomas howard?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 am
Jersey: I got you pick recorded
thanks bro
NE: who do you want? 1 player …
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:56 am
bcz24 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
Not at all Debo… I think he is an awesome prospect. Sign him to a 0 guarantee’s contract and give him a shot. I bet he is an upgrade over any QB we have. He is not as bad as he looked in Buffalo. He has a cannon for an arm and can actually throw it near a receiver. If we get through camp and he looks like the same QB he was in Buffalo… we cut him. No loss to us.
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How do you figure he’s not as bad as he looked in Buffalo?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 am
if Ndamukong suh and russel okung are there at 8 who should we take?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:59 am
RRS, are you listing every possible free agent so that when we sign one of those 250 scrubs you can say you wanted him first?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:00 am
still need picks from NY, BSJ, LMN, Dirt Lot & stoopidmike
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Put me down for SUH. Thats who I would want. Although i believe if he’s available weird Al would pass him up or trade out,Like the crabtree/brace situation last year. (2 guys we wanted,couldve had,but he passed)
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 am
DMAC: Stewart Bradley for MLB?
I don’t know what I’d trade for him. maybe a 4th rounder, but nothing more
The Eagles really thought their run defense was going in the toilet when he got hurt and missed the entire season, but they picked up Jeremiah Trotter & Will Witherspoon up off the street and won 11 games that featured a pretty darn good run defense.
Now Trotter is back on the street, Witherspoon is a Titan and they are still shopping Stewart Bradley ???
Something is fishy.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:03 am
rockstar
this is going to shock you buddy, but i completely agree with your assessment of the fb’s/db’s. lawton is by far the worst FB I’ve ever seen. dropped passes, and whiffing on blocks. also, i’m thinking routt is going to given every opportunity to be a starter. he plays a helluva lot better on the outside than the slot. only if CJ could cover the slot. i do see them taking a CB very late in the draft. who knows, al may force huff into playing CB. anyway, i really like it when huff, branch, and my boy MM are on the filed together. any of the three can blitz, and branch was decent in coverage, and huff was excellent. which leaves MM to blitz or pick up a back in passing situations. i think our biggest problem on defense, aside from the run d obviously, is the fact that we would constantly wind up with a LB on a receiver, or gerard warren dropping into coverage.
rockstar: why did we lose justin griffith? i am pretty sure he was cut, but why? was he hurt?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:04 am
And Losman IS a solid contender for QB. We may need five on the roster if we don’t draft OL…
Read this – you will be impressed:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/bills/2005-07-20-losman-cover_x.htm
Go Gondos!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 am
meant on the field, not on the filed
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 am
The whole Suh “drop” that’s being talked about reminds me of the chris long talk,where everyone said at the last minute he “might” fall to the raiders,but then the rams took him, which was the pick all along…..It would be nice to see Suh/McCoy fall to Oakland,but like the unexpected Crabtree drop,the too good to be true unlikely scenario still got blown up by Weird Al
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:05 am
are you listing every possible free agent so that when we sign one of those 250 scrubs you can say you wanted him first?
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BSJ: nope
I was listing all the free agents available at positions of need to see if any of YOU PEOPLE thought any of them would look good in silver & black
obviously I don’t think most of those dudes can play. Especially McCown/Culpepper! haha
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:11 am
Truth be told,I’d trade that 8th pick for Brandon Marshall.I know i’ll get heat for that thought,but he produces.Better him than another DHB.Marshall can’t ruin our locker room chemistry,we have none already.We only pick productive players in the mid-rounds.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:11 am
I was listing all the free agents available at positions of need to see if any of YOU PEOPLE thought any of them would look good in silver & black
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WE PEOPLE trust Al to do the right thing.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:11 am
LOL I can’t believe I actually typed that.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 am
rockstar
i really dont pay much attention this time of the year. a dont have a player preference, as i dont know much of any. i do my research after the draft. i want a MLB, that can drop the lumber. whoever you feel is the best/hardest hitting MLB is who i want. put me down for who u feel is the best mlb, and i will take your word.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:15 am
In the past we went after Charles Grant and Darren Howard.Former 1st round picks. We always go deep at DE so i can see one of them arriving in oakland.Also Damione Lewis i can see in Oakland.Former 1st rounder too
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:17 am
why did we lose justin griffith? i am pretty sure he was cut, but why? was he hurt?
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Griffith only signed a 2 year contract. yes- Griffith got hurt against the Ravens in 2008 and landed on IR. We grabbed Lawton off waivers. Why we would take a guy who wasn’t good enough for the Eagles & Colts practice squad and make him a starter is beyond me!
When his contract was up, he chose Seattle and the Raiders were content with hammerhead Oren O’Neal. Lorenzo Neal was brought in to see if he had anything left in the tank. Then OO got hurt again and LoNeal was cut.
Lawton & Gary Russell were the FB’s last year. Lawton was suspended (performance enhancers) and missed the final 2 games. Marcel Reece was promoted from the practice squad to take his place.
thats the way I remember it anyways …
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 am
Way to go AL, the donkeys r trying to get Mawae n we haven’t signed any new guy. Donkeys got Jamaal Williams, maybe Mawae exactly the same moves we needed to do. Btw, for those who think AL should wait until after the draft, day by day guys r getting signed left n right. For our offense, we need depth, we need Mawae badly, also I would like us to get Bobbie Williams from the bengals to compete with Cooper. I don’t mind getting T.O for a year or T Holt. Brad Hoover is a need. Damn AL wake up n get some depth, rookies r not guaranteed nothing, huge potential huge bust. Look at last year draft, where is Stryker or watever his name is or Nixon?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:19 am
i want a MLB, that can drop the lumber. whoever you feel is the best/hardest hitting MLB is who i want. put me down for who u feel is the best mlb, and i will take your word.
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NE: sounds like you want Rolando McClain
thats the consensus “best MLB in the draft” anyways …
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 am
rockstar
i think lawton has to miss 1st 4 this year. wasnt the suspension close to the last week. i forget, but i had heard if he was brought back, he’d be ineligible for the 1st 4 games. after watching lawton play roided up, can we still call em “PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS”. he was brutal.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:21 am
I’m pretty sure Griffith got cut at one point by Oakland
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:22 am
I always thought we woulda brought back Jon Ritchie.Guess he had nothing left
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
put me down for mcclain. is spikes still projected to fall into the 3rd? that might be a good value pick too.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 am
that is what i thought. (griffith was cut)
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:24 am
The Raiders are desperate, Jerry. Desperate companies run desperate p.r. campaigns. The whole “first round” thing is a joke. It’s flat out irrelevant. Most first round picks are busts.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:25 am
RRS
ayyyy you can’t pick for people. What kinda rigged poll are you running anyway? @ least put an * next to NER pick.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 am
I’m pretty sure Griffith got cut at one point by Oakland
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Mike: Griffith just wasn’t re-signed.
He was an unresticted free agent, like Cornell Green (who signed with Buffalo)
2 year contract. 2007 & 2008.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 am
Mike
Actually having B Marshall is not the problem, I don’t mind trading the pick for any pro bowler, Carolina doesn’t have any first rounder, I would give them our 8th for their MLB Beeson. Problem with Marshall is new contract he demands, if he would sign similar to Boldin or A Bryant something starting at 7 mill a year then heck yeah but he wants top notch max contract, his agent is next question guy same like T.O
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:27 am
I wouldnt mind a thumper at MLB…..But it wont happen.Thumpers are usually big and not too fast.Al will get an undersized guy with speed,as usual
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am
rockstar
griffith was released along with kalimba edwards, ronald curry 2-28-09 or there abouts. was placed on IR in october of 08. raiders web site under transactions
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am
NE: Lawton was suspended for 4 games in mid December ( i think)
missed 2 games last year.
will miss the first 2 games this year
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am
I hate to break the news guys,but look it up.Griffih was cut with kwame brown
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:29 am
Again, why didn’t Al make a move for Peppers? Is it because our defense is already so stellar?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:31 am
FROM EXAMINER.COM Feb 23 2009 4:36 pm
In a move that was as welcome as it was obvious, the Oakland raiders cut offensive tackle Kwame Harris in a move that saves over seven million against the salary cap. They also parted ways with fullback Justin Griffith which frees up an additional 1.1 million.
the Raider Nation has been long hoping for the release of Harris who had the most penalties of any player in the NFL. He was also known for allowing pass rushers to get to JaMarcus Russell. It was no coincidence that the Raiders offense got much more effective when he was benched in favor of Mario Henderson.
Justin Griffith had been an effective receiver out of the backfield, but with the expected return of Oren O’Neal, Griffith became expendable at the price. It is possible that the Raiders will bring back restricted free agent Luke Lawton as an insurance policy against O’Neal’s injury.
With the departure of Harris, this leaves Javon Walker as the last of the ill-fated 2008 acquisitions that are still Oakland Raiders.
More to come…
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:31 am
I said here B Spike would be a better MLB then Mcclain. Note that.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 am
rockstar
2-23-09 raiders released griffith and kwame harris.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 am
Would rather trade for Evans from N.O. Could probably get him buying swapping first round picks and a two.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:33 am
gotta love google!
Griffith signed a three-year contract worth $3.8 million
the Raiders did cut him …
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:33 am
I don’t think he has the money to pay Peppers and our draft picks. I also don’t think Peppers listed the Raiders as a perspective team either? Not positive on that one.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:33 am
lawton was placed on reserve/suspended list on 12-24-09. when was our last game?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:35 am
Who cares about Griffith, he barely opened up any holes in the middle, he is a receiver at best as a FB. May run few carries i never liked his game.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 am
You must be dumb as hell.Swap the 8th pick for the 32nd,plus a 2nd rd for a fullback? Go back to work/school
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 am
Justin Griffith had been an effective receiver out of the backfield, but with the expected return of Oren O’Neal, Griffith became expendable at the price. It is possible that the Raiders will bring back restricted free agent Luke Lawton as an insurance policy against O’Neal’s injury.
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thanks Mike. I knew JG was released because of the promise OO showed. I didn’t know he signed a 3 year contract until I looked it up though. I suppose paying Lawton peanuts instead of Griffith $1.1 million was a good move at the time, but it backfired when O’Neal was rushed back before he was ready and got re-injured
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:37 am
Griffith was better than Lawton,and he specialized in zone blocking.Thats the point of conversation
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:38 am
lawton was placed on reserve/suspended list on 12-24-09. when was our last game?
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12/27 – Browns
01/03 – Ravens
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:38 am
Also,Griffith was good for our Madden team.He was rated like 88 or 91
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:39 am
RMR
Peppers, why would he wanna come here unless they over pay him more then wat he got from Chicago which would be ridiculous thing to do for an aging DE. Get me T.O, Mawae, B Williams for a combined 10 mill a year u got yourself a serviceable offense.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 am
Also,Griffith was good for our Madden team.He was rated like 88 or 91
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LOL! well thats all that matters!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:41 am
updated …
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March 22nd, 2010 at 11:42 am
Get me T.O, Mawae, B Williams for a combined 10 mill a year u got yourself a serviceable offense.
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Agreed.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 am
rockstar
so i guess you’re correct about the two games. however was he injured and placed on reserve before the suspension announcement? i swear i heard he has to miss the first four games. i just dont remember.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 am
TheRealMaddenRaider
So, just to clarify. Should Russell be names the started at the start of the season you won’t accept my $100?
AND
3rd round
Ben Tate
Auburn running back Ben Tate had a super workout session. Weighing 220 pounds, he turned in the third fastest 40-yard dash time among the running backs (4.43), was second among the running backs with a 40.5-inch vertical leap and tied for the most reps on the bench-press among running backs with 26. He also had a 10-4 broad jump, which tied Tennessee’s Montario Hardesty for first among the running backs.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:47 am
37 want to address the run defense in Round 1
22 want to address the O-Line in Round 1
9 want to address “other” QB/RB/WR/DB
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:47 am
rock
just looked it up, he was suspended for the final 2 games. good call bro.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:48 am
rockstar
so i guess you’re correct about the two games. however was he injured and placed on reserve before the suspension announcement? i swear i heard he has to miss the first four games. i just dont remember.
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Yes,he is out 4 games. Last year didnt count.That was a seperate deal
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 am
now im even more confused. anyway lawton is of no significance to this team. he is by far the worst FB i have ever seen
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 am
NE:
Lawton was banned for four games by the NFL on December 24, 2009, for violation of the league’s ban on performance-enhancing substances. He will be suspended for the last two games of the 2009 season and the first two games of the 2010 season
WIKI
not sure if this link is still active?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4771154
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:50 am
Don’t want to offend anyone, but can we stop talking about Lawton?
He’s GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:50 am
rockstar
so i guess you’re correct about the two games. however was he injured and placed on reserve before the suspension announcement? i swear i heard he has to miss the first four games. i just dont remember.
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Yes,he is out 4 games. Last year didnt count.That was a seperate deal
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I take that back,i’m wrong. Props to Rockstar
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:51 am
How about some 2nd round picks RR???????
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:51 am
Yeah, Lawton couldnt start for UC Riverside. Funny how JP Foschi went on to produce. Go figure
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 am
rockstar post 233
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 am
DMAC: Lawton was tendered!
Cable wants him back!
LOL. thats the only reason he’s relevent …
I personally hope Davis rescinds the tender and signs Brad Hoover to a cheap 2 year contract
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 am
Trade DMAC for a fullback!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:52 am
I wouldnt keep Lawton even if he wasnt suspended. Cant blame him for juicing up,he needed to.Even he knows he’s a scrub
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:53 am
How about some 2nd round picks RR???????
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somebody else will have to make that list DMAC
put me down for Ciron Black
because I don’t think Spoon or Pouncey will be there
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:55 am
dmac, who knows if you hadn’t tripped yourself up sp many time, maybe lawton could’ve succeeded on a block or two
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am
what about cody in the 2nd. everyone wanted him as a first pick earlier. i remember posting a comment by lou holtz about cody being very overrated, and not worthy of a top pick, and i took lumps for that. MT cody 2nd round?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am
I dont think Lawton was tendered because they want him back. He was tendered because Weird Al tendered everybody thinking other teams would be knocking down the door giving up draft picks for our garbage. Al values players (scrubs) higher than everybody. Case in point: Our draft and free agent signings every year
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 am
Don’t worry fellas I’ll be back this up coming season.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:58 am
Im gonna have to go with Dan Williams. Suh wont be there at #8. If Suh was there i’d take him of course, but he wont so I’ll go with Dan Williams and then take the best OT with our next 2 picks after that.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
they really tendered lawton? there is no one on the waiver wire better. how many FB’s actually get drafted? im sure we can find a FB better than lawton in this years udfa list.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I dont think Lawton was tendered because they want him back. He was tendered because Weird Al tendered everybody thinking other teams would be knocking down the door giving up draft picks for our garbage.
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Lawton was undrafted. If he signed an offer sheet with another club the Raiders would have the opportunity to match. But if they chose not to match, they wouldn’t get anything in return
think Chris Carr a few years back. same scenario. Titans gave him a fairly decent contract. Raiders chose not to match. We received nothing.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
No sense in predicting the 2nd round pick. Who had Mike Mitchell last year? We cant even go by the cheat sheets/scouting reports. He was unlisted. Same goes with Routt, Who had him down a few years back? Since we dont scout outside of northern california,we will probably pick someone from san jose st. in the 2nd rd.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I dont think Lawton was tendered because they want him back. He was tendered because Weird Al tendered everybody thinking other teams would be knocking down the door giving up draft picks for our garbage.
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Lawton was undrafted. If he signed an offer sheet with another club the Raiders would have the opportunity to match. But if they chose not to match, they wouldn’t get anything in return
think Chris Carr a few years back. same scenario. Titans gave him a fairly decent contract. Raiders chose not to match. We received nothing.
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Yes,we recieve nothing,but by tendering him we have to pay him a higher dollar amount. We all know nobody is gonna pay him whatever that amount is. They couldve non-tendered him and re-signed him.That wouldve been the smart thing if they want him
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
regardless of who we pick 1st, i feel our biggest need is oline. i hope the team doesn’t feel that they just need continuity. we did have many, many different players, playing all over the oline. we probably had 20 different lineups. we must pick at least a T and a G for the oline. our right side sucks. or sucked.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
im sure we can find a FB better than lawton in this years udfa list.
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Agreed. I’d re-sign LoNeal or Griffith before tendering this guy
Brad Hoover is still by far the best blocking FB in free agency …
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm
stoopidmike
don’t forget asomugha. when he was picked, the analysts all said he was a 3rd rounder at best. whoever made that pick, did well.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm
We can wait until the summer for players to be cut to pick up a good veteran FB
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:05 pm
They couldve non-tendered him and re-signed him.That wouldve been the smart thing if they want him
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very true Mike. They even could have let him sit in the free agent pool until Week 3 (after suspension) and then signed him for peanuts
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:06 pm
stoopidmike
don’t forget asomugha. when he was picked, the analysts all said he was a 3rd rounder at best. whoever made that pick, did well.
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Agree, and even though he is a world beater now,we still couldve had him in the 2nd or 3rd round. Go back to that draft and see who we coulve had along with asomugha
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
stoopid mike EVANS is an ALL-PRO guard. At least your name is correct.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
what happens to his salary? obviously he doesn’t get paid. do the raiders still have to pay that $$ to the league, or what? also, he has to be on a roster to serve out the final 2 games. right?
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:08 pm
just something to think about guys …
the Raiders drafted Jon Ritchie in Round 3.
he’s the best blocking FB we’ve had in the past 10-15 years IMO
would any of you guys be upset if we drafted a FB stud in Round 4?
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Is the fullback from USC coming out this year? Dude is a beast.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:10 pm
he has to be on a roster to serve out the final 2 games. right?
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nope. I think they changed that rule
don’t quote me on that though
suspended players don’t get paid, but I’m not sure if the club keeps that money or if the league gets it. interesting question there!
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:16 pm
stoopid mike EVANS is an ALL-PRO guard. At least your name is correct.
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I can see where this is going. 1st of all,all pro or not,he’s a fullback.Usually you get the best fullback in the draft in round 5.You want them to trade the 8th pick.He’s a F’n Fullback.When was the last time a Fullback went 1st round? Alstott was a 2nd rd,the exception.Do you trade the 8th pick for an all pro punter? No,and you dont pay a fullback Big money because they are a FULLBACK. Beyond that, you are the STUPID one,because THATS how you spell it. STOOPID has a whole different meaning.Talk to me when rescess is over
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:18 pm
Jabari Evans is a guard.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:20 pm
They signed him to a first and third max tender. Maybe could make a deal with them. Dominating run blocker. Also they still have Jamal Brown and there starting LT after he was hurt, maybe snatch one of them.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
I think one of you guys are talking about Heath Evans and the other is talking about Jahri Evans …
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Maybe you are thinking about Heath Evans?
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:24 pm
Please don’t take Bruce Cambell campaign starting today.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Please don’t take Bruce Cambell campaign starting today.
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is there a petition we can sign ???
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm
Could probably get Cambell at 32. Saw one mock having us take him with are secong round pick.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:26 pm
I like the NFL’s proposal to change the OT rules.
Force to teams to try and score a TD to win the game in the beginning and giving them an equal shot, but limit the length of the game by going back to sudden death potentially for the game won’t drag out forever.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Later Nation
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Ok in the second I wouldn’t mind a project LT but not in the top 10, when there is going to be so much talent.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:41 pm
Rockstar…
I saw that you had me down for Maurkice Pouncey in your poll, and that’s fine. I agree with just about everyone that says that Suh is the best player in this draft (in fact, I posted about him around six months ago after watching a Nebraska game on TV, don’t remember who they were playing), but I don’t think we have a snowball’s chance of his being available when we draft and it would be a HUGE mistake to trade valuable picks to get him.
I also don’t think Al is going to take a tackle (at 8), and he will be vilified for it by the “experts” who are certain that he should. Two reasons he won’t; Mario is a project of his at LT, and I doubt based on his track record he takes a RT that high.
Pouncey is my choice because we need someone to anchor this line, and as someone pointed out earlier, it’s probably the most important position on the line. He is far and away the best player at his position, and ranked even higher than Alex Mack was last year.
There are those that say that Dan Williams should be the choice, and while that would be OK, we would be wise to remember that Al has an awful lot of money invested in the offensive side of the ball right now. Nobody does anything if the o-line can’t do their thing (as we’ve seen), and it all starts with the center. Look at your history, folks. ALL the great teams had dominating centers, not just the Raiders of the past.
Pouncey is a first-round pick, and will not get past the Steelers at 18. Why would anyone think that we don’t need somebody like that, especially with our line spending most of their time on the wrong side of the LOS? If he’s good enough for a perennial playoff team to take with their first round pick, why is he not good enough for us to take with ours?
Sorry for the long post, but I’m going Florida Pete on this one. We have to have this guy.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/front_office_total_access_stats.html&position=C
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Who here would object if we were offered a 3rd rounder for DMAC?
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Why do you guys care so much about 2010?
Al doesn’t care about 2010. He knows 2010 will be nothing but a joke of a year for the Raiders. He knows there is no way in hell we contend. That is why he is going to give Russell another shot at starting and that is why he went cheap and kept Cable around for 1 more year and why he has tightened his purse strings an not signed any prominent free agents for the upcoming year.
Al knows that the NFL landscape will be very different in 2012, so he is throwing away 2010 knowing that it will be nothing but a year to take a closer look at his young players prior to the lockout. Then he will be in a better position financially to re-start the building process in 2012, when, hopefully, some of this young talent will have matured.
Herrera just texted this info to me.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
I would. Also, there is no chance Al would accept a 3rd rd pick for DMAC.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Teach, good points. You think we should take Pouncey 10 picks ahead of the next likely team to pick him? I would rather pick Clausen and trade him to a team with a 12-17 pick, getting an extra late rounder to boot.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Welcome back Edward Teach.
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:54 pm
BSJ… where a guy is taken in the first round sometimes has more to do with team need than ability. For example, I don’t believe that the Lions will take Sam Bradford if the Rams pass on him, just as I doubt the Redskins would take Gerald McCoy with Haynesworth on the roster.
Your scenario isn’t a bad one, but before pulling the trigger on it I’d want to be damn sure I got my guy. We lost Orlando Pace that way, if memory serves (even though Al won’t admit it).
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Thanks, Dakota. You red-baiter, you. lol
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm
edward teach Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
Thanks, Dakota. You red-baiter, you. lol
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LOL
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Trade DMAC for Orlando Pace!
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:01 pm
Interesting:
By DAVID GINSBURGH
APA Sports Writer
COLLEGE PARK, Md. (AP) – While 11 of his former University of Maryland teammates pressed to make an impression on NFL scouts, offensive tackle Bruce Campbell smiled for the television cameras and happily answered questions from reporters.
Campbell had nothing more to prove after running the 40-yard dash in an impressive 4.85 seconds and bench-pressing 225 pounds 34 times last month at the NFL combine. The 6-foot-7, 310-pounder is projected to be a first-round pick.
Cambell has several private workouts scheduled with NFL teams, including the Washington Redskins and Oakland Raiders, where he hopes to continue to raise his draft stock.
Quarterback Chris Turner, on the other hand, is not even assured of having his name called next month in the NFL draft. So he jumped, ran, lifted weights and threw the football Wednesday with the hope of giving the scouts something to remember him by.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:02 pm
Teach, in that scouting report it notes that Pouncey is a “gifted in-line run blocker”. Do you think that means he is not a fit for the ZBS? Lets hope not…
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Also in that scouting report is the number EIGHT center, who reminds the author of our own Chris Morris. Which is why we need a new center…
Joel Nitchman C, Michigan State
NFP Grade: 5.7
Scouting Report:
Joel Nitchman: No. 65, C, 6-3, 296
Nitchman displays good natural anchor strength and can hold the point of attack one-on-one inside. He does a nice job staying on blocks and is heavy- handed on contact. He extends his arms into blocks well and does a nice job of locking out in pass protection. But he isn’t the best athlete. He displays a good initial jolt on the move but has a tendency to get overextended and fall off blocks. He displays average lateral mobility inside. He can redirect cleanly and is gritty inside, and he does a nice job of making it tough to disengage from his blocks. But he lacks the type of fluidity to mirror explosive defenders one-on-one in space. He reminds me a bit of Raiders center Chris Morris.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Ok, if we really take a OL at #8, I personally am not scared of who they decide on. We have one of the best line coaches as our head coach. I am sure he knows what hes doing a lot more than most of the scouts when evaluating talent.
So if they do decide on Campbell, it will not worry me at all.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
What ever happened to T.O.’s visit to Raiderland?
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Al knows that the NFL landscape will be very different in 2012, so he is throwing away 2010 knowing that it will be nothing but a year to take a closer look at his young players prior to the lockout. Then he will be in a better position financially to re-start the building process in 2012, when, hopefully, some of this young talent will have matured.
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To: Dakota
From Al Davis.
God willing I will live until 2012!
Al Davis
AD Football, Inc.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Looks like were going to open the season Monday night in Denver……….anyone know if we host the niners this year?
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
maddenraiderfan Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Ok, if we really take a OL at #8, I personally am not scared of who they decide on. We have one of the best line coaches as our head coach. I am sure he knows what hes doing a lot more than most of the scouts when evaluating talent.
So if they do decide on Campbell, it will not worry me at all.
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Yeah, he did bring in Kwame Harris, Barnes, Pears and Satele after all!
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:08 pm
just something to think about guys …
the Raiders drafted Jon Ritchie in Round 3.
he’s the best blocking FB we’ve had in the past 10-15 years IMO
would any of you guys be upset if we drafted a FB stud in Round 4
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It’ll be interesting to see if Oren actaully ever heals from that horrific pre season knee injury. He’s had ample time with the last 2 yrs as a write off.
Lorenzo Neal was one year too late so the Raiders really have a big hole as far as a run blocking FB.
Lawton couldn’t make any other teams practice squads.
It seems the Raiders want a versatile FB who can help pass blocking and catch out of the back field.
Not sure how well or if he can block but Marcel Reece at 6-3, 240 may be someone to watch as camp progresses.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Hard to say on that, BSJ. I’m not an o-line coach, and the subtlety of any position analysis is lost on me anyway. Maybe if I did it for a living I could say, yeah, this guy translates well, or no he doesn’t. The only ZBS o-lineman in the entire draft that is considered a first-round pick is Charles Brown, the LT from USC, but I would imagine that a player as talented as Pouncey in an offense as complex as Florida’s (Louis Murphy’s words, not mine) might not have difficulty.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:11 pm
# Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
maddenraiderfan Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Ok, if we really take a OL at #8, I personally am not scared of who they decide on. We have one of the best line coaches as our head coach. I am sure he knows what hes doing a lot more than most of the scouts when evaluating talent.
So if they do decide on Campbell, it will not worry me at all.
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Yeah, he did bring in Kwame Harris, Barnes, Pears and Satele after all!
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You mean before Cable had any say? Ok….
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
maddenraiderfan Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 pm
Ok, if we really take a OL at #8, I personally am not scared of who they decide on. We have one of the best line coaches as our head coach. I am sure he knows what hes doing a lot more than most of the scouts when evaluating talent.
So if they do decide on Campbell, it will not worry me at all.
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Yeah, he did bring in Kwame Harris, Barnes, Pears and Satele after all!
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Exactly.
If Cable thinks he can coach up Campbell its a bad bet. Cable would likely be gone by the time Campbell ever showed enough to start, plus Cable’s got his hands full.
Very green (no pun intended)
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Oren Oneal’s leg is healing up….just needs a little more time in physical therapy:
http://www.ectomo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/_44299524_holyman_body_ap.jpg
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:16 pm
Oren’s flexiblity is coming along nicely.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:17 pm
maddenraiderfan,
You really don’t think Cable had input in signing those guys? Kwame Harris came right out and stated that he met with Cable and Cable thought he could flourish in his ZBS.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:18 pm
The fullback position will be an intersting one to watch this offseason. Hue Jackson did a lot with Le’Ron McLain in Baltimore. Pretty sure he goined over 1000 yards last year and caught some balls, too, and that’s with Rice and McGahee in the backfield as well.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:19 pm
I’ll look for the Harris quote….just give me a minute….
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Anyone know if we host the niners?
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Raiders offensive line coach Tom Cable is reportedly convinced that Kwame Harris can be “the ideal left tackle.”
We don’t doubt Cable’s ability to assess talent or Harris’ ability to zone block, but Harris keeping ends and rush linebackers off JaMarcus Russell is an entirely different story. Harris was often exposed by power rushers as a 49er.
Rotoworld.com
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Cable also said that he made the final call in which QB started and that he didn’t want to draft a OL last year. Do you believe that too?
Another question. If we take a Tackle at #8 and Bruce campbell falls to us in the 2nd, are you ok with taking him then? (a lot of mocks have him out of the first round now)
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:24 pm
My bad. McClain rushed for over 900 yards in 2008, and dropped off considerably in 2009. And, Hue Jackson wasn’t the offensive coordinator.
Hard to do worse on that post, right?
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Kwame Harris came right out and stated that he met with Cable and Cable thought he could flourish in his ZBS.
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I believe that was for fan consumption, similar to Lance talking up Russell. Al makes the calls and we’ll never know if a coach really wanted the player or not.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:25 pm
# Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:23 pm
Raiders offensive line coach Tom Cable is reportedly convinced that Kwame Harris can be “the ideal left tackle.”
We don’t doubt Cable’s ability to assess talent or Harris’ ability to zone block, but Harris keeping ends and rush linebackers off JaMarcus Russell is an entirely different story. Harris was often exposed by power rushers as a 49er.
Rotoworld.com
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You guys are ridiculous, last year all I heard from you was how much of a puppet Cable was. Now you act like he had full GM powers…
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm
It’ll be interesting to see if Oren actaully ever heals from that horrific pre season knee injury. He’s had ample time with the last 2 yrs as a write off.
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N21:
August 2008 knee injury
plus
October 2009 ankle injury
= not dependable. FB is very physically demanding (as you know)
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm
8 and 8 beating the niners knocking them out of the playoff race would be a great season.haha such low expectations nowadays
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm
I think we play the Niners at home in Pre season and away during the regular season.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:31 pm
thank yah sirr
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Looks like were going to open the season Monday night in Denver
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waggon: are you serious?
what a way to start off the season!
Bruce Gradkowski “the people’s qb” will probably get crushed on opening night by donks rookie stud Dan Williams or Rolando McClain and then Charlie Frye will come in and we’ll knock them off with a last minute 63 yard FG by Seabass
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm
I think Rich Gannon was the peoples qb too? At least I remember people bagging on him as a journeyman. He wasn’t good enough to start in Minnesota or Kansas City?
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Maddenraiderfan,
I am not saying he has full GM powers, but after two years of bringing in ZBS guys like Satele, Harris and Pears you still doubt that Cable has input into which players are signed for the o-line?
Al has always gone with the big road grader types on the o-line, and hopefully the signing of Walker last year is a signal that he is taking back control of the o-line from Cable….I can’t believe I just said that….
The main thing Cable has proven over the past two seasons, other than the ability to lose games, is the fact that he cannot be allowed to have input as to who his o-linemen should be. He should be allowed to train then, but please keep that idiot out of the decision making arena.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
ohh no, USA really is going to lose one of its best..
its with sadness i inform you, that Dolph Lundgren intends to move back home to Sweden..
LOL
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:39 pm
mcfaddenswaggon Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Looks like were going to open the season Monday night in Denver……….anyone know if we host the niners this year?
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Hey, we seem to play them better in Denver anyhow….I may have to get tickets for that one.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Yeah we do, and marshall is the only guy on that team I worry about, hopefully he is out, that guy is the best reciever in the game, from the neck down.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:41 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:36 pm
ohh no, USA really is going to lose one of its best..
its with sadness i inform you, that Dolph Lundgren intends to move back home to Sweden..
LOL
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Yep, it is easier for Captain Ivan Drago to get his roids in Europe.
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Mcfaddenswaggon where did you hear about the donkey game?
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Does this mean poor Mike and Mike will once again have to cover the Oakland Raiders on opening night?
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm
ESPN afc blog
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
March 22, 2010, 12:35 PM EST .1 Comment .The Denver Broncos want to open up the 2010 regular season with a bang.
Per Mike Klis of the Denver Post, the Broncos want to host the Oakland Raiders in one of two Monday night games on the Week 1 schedule. The NFL began featuring a Monday night double-header in 2006.
And why not? The Broncos may be 8-10 on Monday Night Football since 2000, but they’re also 15-3 at home in the month of September during that same time span.
Regardless of what we say, the NFL will reveal its 2010 prime-time schedule on Monday.
Early speculation has the New Orleans Saints hosting the Minnesota Vikings in the league’s Thursday night opener.
Hit me up on Twitter: @JoeFortenbaugh
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
Rd. 1 – Taylor Mays (Huff moves to CB, Mays will play WLB some plays, in which case Mitchell will come in at SS and Branch will cover FS)
Rd. 2 – Charles Brown
Rd. 3 – Joe McKnight
Rd. 4 – Jeff Byers (will come in as G and eventually take over at C)
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:47 pm
Trade DMAC for Grace Jones!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm
beat dungver!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm
DIKOTA..
you think?
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:02 pm
dekota, even
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:04 pm
Here is my wish list (along with re-signing Morrison and signing Brad Hoover):
Round 1: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
Round 2: Terrance Cody, DT, Alabama
Round 3: JD Walton, C, Baylor
Round 4: Marshal Newhouse, G, TCU
Round 5: Micah Johnson, MLB, Kentucky
Round 5: Jacoby Ford WR/KR, Clemson
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:05 pm
I give up, just not my day i guess…
give me a D, give me an A, give me a K, give me an O, give me a T, give me an A….
D-A-K-O-T-A yeah
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Dakota..
Code will long be gone in the 1st round…
a real class-player
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm
That is okay LNM, NLM, I mean LMN.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:07 pm
Dakota (post 330)
I like it!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:08 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:01 pm
DIKOTA..
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LOL. Way to gay-bait the red-baiter.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Why the one year Al Davis didn’t draft the fastest player at his position he turns out to be a stud………CHRIS JOHNSON
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Round 4: Micah Johnson, MLB, Kentucky
Round 5: Mike Kafka, QB, Northwestern
Round 5: Jacoby Ford WR/KR, Clemson
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Why? We drafted MC FUMBLES. I would have rather had his running mate Felix Jones.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:17 pm
LMN,
The scouting reports I see on Micah Johnson have him going in round 6 due to slow 40 times and injuries….I thought I was reaching for him in round 5.
I would like to see Morrison re-signed for one year with Johnson drafted for the future.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=65555&draftyear=2010&genpos=ILB
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:18 pm
Man I was big on Mcfadden, I’ll give him one more year before I completly throw him under his own waggon.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:19 pm
I’m over Morrison being carried for 3 yards and first downs.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Dakota…
yeah i see…
5th round, to be sure to get him is okay, I had my eyes on him as well, so i wanted him a round earlier than projected, you did the same thing, so i just assumed you had him as projected… my bad…
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:21 pm
McFadden & Morrison are still on the Rockstar scholarship program 1 more year too …
get a center, fullback & nose tackle.
lets find out what these cats are really made of!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
I honestly don’t think Mcfadden would be bad if we actually had a passing game as a threat, to back the safeties up and give LB’s something to think about.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:24 pm
But his fumbles were unexcuseable
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I would have no problem drafting Clausen and cutting Juggs.
Then we would have QB’s on the roster who have talent, leadership ability, are smart, and will work hard to be the best.
Clausen is a better QB right now than Juggs Russell…..easily!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm
It would be nice to hear from Hue Jackson.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:29 pm
It would be nice to hear from Hue Jackson.
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Hue Jackson: “I am excited to be the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 2012!”
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
I agree with all the people going for Pouncey.
I’m sick of seeing that strong rush up the middle. And not that I always trust Lombardi and his minions, but they have Pouncey rated as a 7.5 out of 8, one of only 3 or 4 players rated that high. Even Okung is only rated as a 7.
I don’t think you can pass up a player that is head and shoulders above others just because he doesn’t play a “premium” position. I remember them saying the same thing when Adrian Peterson came out.
Also, to use the “logic” they gave us for picking DHB last year, he is the one of the players that can make everyone around him better (I’ll also put Suh and Berry in this category).
I’d rather have the talking heads ridicule us for taking this top rated guy instead of a project like Campbell or the #3 or 4 tackle.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Jimmy Clausen, 6′ 3″, 223 lbs
2009 289 comp 425 att 3722 Yards 68.0 comp% 28 TDs 4 Ints 161.43 passer rating
three years in a pro-style offense
DKnight007, I would love to have him as our QB too. I just can’t see Davis admitting Kiffin was right and giving up on Russell just yet.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I would have no problem drafting Clausen and cutting Juggs.
Then we would have QB’s on the roster who have talent, leadership ability, are smart, and will work hard to be the best.
Clausen is a better QB right now than Juggs Russell…..easily!
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Unreal! Tell ya what, the team that drafts Jimmy Clausen can be your new favorite team. The one guy in the draft with the same question marks JR had coming out of college and you want to replace him with him??? “Anybody but Russell” in full effect. Lol!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Hue Jackson: “It’s an honor to work for the legendary Al Davis. The Oakland Raiders are back!”
sound familiar?
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm
BoJacks Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
I agree with all the people going for Pouncey.
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Drafting a center at 8?
Let’s just get Mike Ditka to run the draft.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm
i kind of like the lefevour kid out of central michigan.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:44 pm
My top 10 mock draft and reasons. Would be interested in reading all yours too. So post away…
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GG’s Mock 10
1. RAMS: S.Bradford QB
{Obvious choice, if they’re gonna spend top money they’ll make sure it’s a high-value position like QB where there is a #1 type QB there}
2. LIONS: N.Suh DT
{Stafford got battered, they will want to protect that $40m investment with the top OT, but could go BPA here and find OL later. Also cos I would normally put an OT here like Okung, but that could then project Suh falling and I just cant commit to that possibility yet}
3. BUCCANEERS: G.McCoy DT
{Suh has the hype, but the Bucs possibly land the better more versatile DT}
4. REDSKINS: J.Clausen QB
{Tho his character is dissed, and safer OT picks, the Shanahan factor will mean Clausen. No point a franchise OT when they have no franchise QB to start with}
5. CHIEFS: R.Okung OT
{They have their franchise QB and need OT urgently}
6. SEAHAWKS: E.Berry S
{BPA, and a need, for the Seahawks despite OT need too}
7. BROWNS: J.Haden CB
{Browns need DB help.}
8. RAIDERS: J.Pierre-Paul DE
{Imo, Wimbley acquisition was a smokescreen for a DE pick, and a cheap smokescreen, no point drafting a RT here}
9. BILLS: A.Davis OT
{Bills have a billion holes to fill. Sexy offensive players, defensive players, QB, OL. But one step at a time}
10. JAGUARS: D.Morgan DE
{Jaguars have been frustrated for a long time looking for good pass-rushers}
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:44 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 1:09 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Al knows that the NFL landscape will be very different in 2012, so he is throwing away 2010 knowing that it will be nothing but a year to take a closer look at his young players prior to the lockout. Then he will be in a better position financially to re-start the building process in 2012, when, hopefully, some of this young talent will have matured.
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To: Dakota
From Al Davis.
God willing I will live until 2012!
Al Davis
AD Football, Inc.
^^^^^^^^^
Re start the building process…..again for the 5 time in 7 years??
Oh boy….
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:36 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
I would have no problem drafting Clausen and cutting Juggs.
Then we would have QB’s on the roster who have talent, leadership ability, are smart, and will work hard to be the best.
Clausen is a better QB right now than Juggs Russell…..easily!
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Unreal! Tell ya what, the team that drafts Jimmy Clausen can be your new favorite team. The one guy in the draft with the same question marks JR had coming out of college and you want to replace him with him??? “Anybody but Russell” in full effect. Lol!
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Clausen has no question marks….it’s utter smokesgreen made up BULL CRAP….the kid is going to be good.
Just watch!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Why the one year Al Davis didn’t draft the fastest player at his position he turns out to be a stud………CHRIS JOHNSON
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That’s our luck!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Comparing Juggs Russell to Jimmy Clausen is stupidity at it’s finest!
LOL
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:51 pm
If they don’t plug the holes in the run defense it’s going to be the same old sh!t different year. Draft MLB and or DT who can stop somebody.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:51 pm
GG: If the Raiders take Pierre-Paul at #8 over Anthony Davis, Trent Williams, Brian Bulaga & Dan Williams I will probably puke.
However, it would not surprise me.
Seymour & Shaughnessy as base ends. Scott & Wimbley as rush ends.
whats the last thing this team needs? another DE
way to go al, you friggin lunatic!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm
RaiderDebo,
Clausen has the same issues as Russell? Really? What are those issues? Jon Tenuta, former ND assistant HC having been released by ND said that the previous ND coaching staff would still have their jobs if everyone on the team had been as good a player and teammate as Clausen.
Prior to last season Clausen had Golden Tate, Kyle Rudolph and Michael Floyd out to his home in Cali running routes….and they all had great seasons…does that sound like something Russell would have done in college? He is light-years ahead of Russell in the maturity department.
I can’t find one instance of a teammate of Clausen’s coming out and saying anything bad about him.
Is it because he tried to come to his girlfriend’s aid and got punched in a bar?
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Was reading that 1st round DTs bust more frequently than first round QBs. Why it’s interesting trying to mock the draft because you can never be sure what theyre thinking, and can mean players falling that we just cant fathom yet.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm
I think I’d even take Campbell, Bryant, Pouncey or Iupati over Pierre-Paul.
at least that fills a position of need!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm
# Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:35 pm
DKnight007, I would love to have him as our QB too. I just can’t see Davis admitting Kiffin was right and giving up on Russell just yet.
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havent you all, Al included, learned it yet??? KIFFIN WAS RIGHT ALL THE TIME, he still is…
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:54 pm
I think I’d even take Campbell, Bryant, Pouncey or Iupati over Pierre-Paul.
at least that fills a position of need!
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no kidding….if we take Pierre-Paul (or Taylor Mays) I am filing a petition to have Al institutionalized.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm
GG
My guess is that the tiggers will draft Okung at 2, which will throw off the rest of your draft.
Stafford was getting banged around last year, and he is the one who will take them to the promised land.
They could take Okung and slide Backus into LG, improving two positions at once.
I think that gives them better value than just taking Suh.
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:53 pm
RaiderDebo,
Clausen has the same issues as Russell? Really? What are those issues? Jon Tenuta, former ND assistant HC having been released by ND said that the previous ND coaching staff would still have their jobs if everyone on the team had been as good a player and teammate as Clausen.
Prior to last season Clausen had Golden Tate, Kyle Rudolph and Michael Floyd out to his home in Cali running routes….and they all had great seasons…does that sound like something Russell would have done in college? He is light-years ahead of Russell in the maturity department.
I can’t find one instance of a teammate of Clausen’s coming out and saying anything bad about him.
Is it because he tried to come to his girlfriend’s aid and got punched in a bar?
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Dude, there are “reports” that the guy is cocky and could have trouble fitting into an NFL locker rooom. Mayock says that teams are grilling him about this in interviews. You guys can’t wait to believe every little “report” about Russell. Why are you so dismissive now? And there’s no way you can tell me he had a better college career than Russel. He’s not even close when it comes the physical skill set. You’re trying to compare a college QB to a pro one. Fukn amazing!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
anyone know who the former raider player is that was assigned to babysit jafatso. i hope its bill romanowski. honestly whoever prepares thats lards meals should be grinding up water pills and laxatives into his food he will get down to 240 in no time.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm
For instance, teams drafting in a position that everyone expects is no longer a need. Eg, Raiders drafting McFadden tho we had Bush, Fargas, Rhodes. Vikings drafting Peterson tho they had C.Taylor.
Clearly we need to draft DT, MLB, QB/RB, then a string of OL picks. I wouldn’t also mind drafting Tebow, the complete anti-thesis of Russell.
Who i want too is Jahvid Best, get rid of McFadden, finding a way to trade down and acquiring picks. I think we need to think hard about the RB situation and acquiring more picks.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm
My guess is that the tiggers will draft Okung at 2, which will throw off the rest of your draft.
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unless the kittens are planning to trade back up and get Cody or Williams I seriously doubt that Jim Schwartz will allow their interior D-Line to look like ours!
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:01 pm
5pm in Podunk. later gents!
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:05 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:57 pm
GG
My guess is that the tiggers will draft Okung at 2, which will throw off the rest of your draft.
Stafford was getting banged around last year, and he is the one who will take them to the promised land.
They could take Okung and slide Backus into LG, improving two positions at once.
I think that gives them better value than just taking Suh.
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Yep, normally I would put Okung at #2 for the Lions, and I wanted to put him there for the Lions. Clearly a BPA and need filled. But doing that would then see someone like Suh fall, and Im not sure if Bucky is entirely right. But i do agree that so many teams with pressing LT issues could see a lot drafted early. Just remember tho, some of these mock’d OT’s are RT’s or suited to being RT’s than LT’s. Also OL and DT are usually positions you can focus on in the mid-late rounds. Where there’s plenty of talent that didnt get the right coaching, scratching the surface of their development.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:05 pm
Al will draft Taylor Mays and revolutionize modern defences.
The Raiders will start the year with Mays, Huff, Mitchell, Branch and Asomugha.
Since Asomugha played safety in college, that would give the Raiders five starting safeties.
GENIUS!!!
All you doubters of the great and powerful Al…BOW DOWN…
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Anyway, i have to get going unfortunately right now. But I’ll check in later. Looking forward to catching up on what everything thinks about whatever when I get back.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:00 pm
My guess is that the tiggers will draft Okung at 2, which will throw off the rest of your draft.
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unless the kittens are planning to trade back up and get Cody or Williams I seriously doubt that Jim Schwartz will allow their interior D-Line to look like ours!
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Schwartz is a defensive coach. I’ve always found that coaches like to select higher draft picks from the other side of the ball.
I guess they figure they can coach up a lesser talent, or that their system is good enough to win with weaker players.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:12 pm
My first take:
1. Rams-McCoy
2. Lions-Okung
3. Bucs-Suh
4. Redskins-Bradford
5. KC-Berry
6. Seattle-Bulaga
7. Browns-Morgan
8. Raiders-Anthony Davis
9. Bills-Jimmy Clausen
10. Jags-Pierre-Paul
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
RaiderDebo,
Just what I thought, you have nothing specific on Clausen.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
RaiderDebo,
Just what I thought, you have nothing specific on Clausen.
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So you’re saying there’s no questions about his leadership? I’m making it up out of thin air?
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:20 pm
If the Raiders select Pierre-Paul, Mays or Bruce Campbell, I’ll be throwing something heavy at my TV. I’m getting sick of all these DHB types who look good on paper only.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:22 pm
William Joseph Back.PFT
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm
William Joseph released.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
They re-signed him again.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Cut him.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Give me a specific example of poor leadership by Jimmy Clausen. Was it when he had his top two WRs and his top TE out to his house in the offseason? Was it his poise in his 4th quarter comebacks last season?
Is the guy arrogant? No doubt. Did it take time for him to take over as the leader of ND? Certainly, it took a couple of seasons, but not all QBs are thrown in the fire year one.
Take it from Mel: “Kiper said he’s spoken with Clausen’s former teammates, opponents, coaches and everyone raves about Clausen: “I think he has a chance to be great. His accuracy is outstanding. His leadership is exceptional.”"
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Everybody relax William Joseph signed a new deal..
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:26 pm
And signed him again.
This time forever!
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Jerry, when you were writing about the abundance of 1st rd. draft choices on the Raiders, I expected to see a lot of players with short careers or never amounting to much. However, those players on that 97 team were good players, with several near all-pro players…was it bad luck or just poor coaching and execution. Physically many of those players were dominant and would stare for almost all teams.
So what is the answer? Gruden inherited some pretty good players. Did he just instill some discipline and there we went?
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Irish center Eric Olsen defends Clausen as misunderstood. “A lot of people think he’s this California kid that has a kind of off-attitude, but that’s not the case at all,” said Olsen, who’s here at the combine. “As a teammate, he’s somebody I would definitely want in the huddle with me in the future. He’s a leader. Being the quarterback at Notre Dame, he’s in the spotlight.
“I think he came in as a high school recruit in a limo and stuff. That might have thrown a couple people off. But they really don’t know him. That’s just from the outside looking in.”
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:34 pm
Golden Tate on Clausen:
“One of my favorite guys. [During the] offseason I always hung out with him. I went to his house, he has a great family. I think he was brought up the right way. So, I really enjoy being around Jimmy. He’s one of my better friends. He’s been very, very helpful in my career obviously. He’s definitely a guy that I can walk away saying, “That’s my friend.”
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
“With the 8th pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Oakland Raiders select Taylor Mays, Safety, USC.”
With the addition of William Joseph, Mays will put us at 6 first rounders on D. Since that is 1 less than we had in 97, and we went 4-12 in 97, we will go 3-13 in 2010.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Might get Clausen in the first. Should get Eric Olsen in the fourth.
Double Irish.
Might even get Golden Tate in the second.
Triple Irish.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Give me a specific example of poor leadership by Jimmy Clausen. Was it when he had his top two WRs and his top TE out to his house in the offseason? Was it his poise in his 4th quarter comebacks last season?
Is the guy arrogant? No doubt. Did it take time for him to take over as the leader of ND? Certainly, it took a couple of seasons, but not all QBs are thrown in the fire year one.
Take it from Mel: “Kiper said he’s spoken with Clausen’s former teammates, opponents, coaches and everyone raves about Clausen: “I think he has a chance to be great. His accuracy is outstanding. His leadership is exceptional.””
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All great points. I agree with all of them. I live in LA, so I’ve followed his career a long time. I think he’ll be pretty good. My point is that unless you are in the locker room, you’ve got no idea what kind of leader a guy is or what his work ethic is. Everything depends on how a guy plays. When JR was in college, Jimbo Fisher couldn’t say enough good things about him. When Kiffin was here, he couldn’t say enough good things about him. He has some bad games this year with an inferior supporting cast, and here come the critics talking about things they don’t have a clue about because they aren’t in the locker room. And you can’t wait to believe it and pile on. Can’t wait for the season to start.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Raiders awarded with an extra 7th round pick, compensatory pick.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
ill give you an example of poor leadership by jimmy clausen. only bowl game that little puke ever won was against hawaii. well i suppose thats better than any other notre dame qb of the last 20 years. leaders find ways to rally the team to win big games, never once did that little puss clausen ever win a big game.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
The Clausen ND QB? The QB that lost his last 4 games?
http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=231813
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
Vinous,
One of the problems with grabbing former first rounders is that they have received first round money in the past. It’s hard to get motivated if you already have more money than you’ve ever dreamed of. Running full speed into someone can be tough to do, especially when financially, you don’t have to.
Hats off to Ray Lewis for keep wanting to bang heads at his age and wealth. Cats like that are rare in the NFL.
Also, just because someone was drafted in the first round doesn’t guarantee quality. Al doesn’t realize that.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Another first round draft pick on the D William Joseph, the rest of the NFL awaits in fear
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:40 pm
You could even make a case for Sam Young in the 3rd. Not the worse RT in the draft and will fit the ZBS.
Quadruple Irish.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Scottish Raider,
I don’t think Al is a big Irish booster. Other than Tim Brown, there haven’t been a lot of Notre Dame products on the roster.
He’s more of a USC athletic supporter.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Debo,
The difference between Russell and Clausen is that Clausen will study the playbook in the offseason, keep himself in shape, and do what needs to be done in order to be a successful NFL QB.
Clausen has already demonstrated his willingness to work his ass off to improve. Russell was fat and lazy in college and is still fat and lazy….surprise surprise!
Russell’s numbers and Clausen’s numbers their final season in college are close…both had great years statistically, but Clausen has been under center in a pro-style offense for three years. Russell was a shotgun only QB. Clausen threw to WRs running professional style routes. Russell chucked it down the field with great success. Russell has great arm strength, Clausen only has good arm strength, lol.
I’d take Clausen over Russell in 2010 for the Raiders in a fukin heart beat.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:46 pm
heya Scottish, long time no see! the voice of reason in these parts…
however, as talented as Berry is, I want line line line! Suh, Okung…stack up the lines early.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:39 pm
The Clausen ND QB? The QB that lost his last 4 games?
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Yep, 5 TD passes 346 passing yards and the defense gave up 45 points….that must be Clausen’s fault!
The ND defense was not good.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
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March 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
At this point I’d take any OL or NT with the 8th pick and be happy
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Debo,
The difference between Russell and Clausen is that Clausen will study the playbook in the offseason,
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This is exactly what I’m talking about. How do you know that JR won’t study the playbook in the offseason? And if he was so lazy in college, how did he manage to have such a stellar college career and get picked No. 1 overall in the draft? Because he’s tall with a strong arm? And I think you need to take a closer look at Jimbo Fisher’s offense at LSU before you dismiss as “shotgun only”. LOL!
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:53 pm
william joseph returns to oaktown per PFT !!!!!1
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
Raiders just resigned William Joseph (again)-yawn
He will be lucky to make roster
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
sd-raider, you beat me to the punch
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:55 pm
i sas suh once in the student union at unl was on my way to my sisters graduation which was upstairs. pretty impressive looking dude. i went unl as a freshmen went to all the games his junior year never have i been more impressed by a football player. stuck around lincoln up until december so ive seen just about everygame hes played in. the worst performance i saw him have during his junior and senior season was his last game against arizona a game the cornhuskers won 33-0. in the next few years there are going to be a lot of great defensive players coming out of that program. watch out for guys like jared crick, baker steinkuhler, prince amukamara and alfonso dennard.
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm
NorthernD- who did rocket ismail play for in college?
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm
Krappy, be careful saying dumb things in here when you don’t have Jhill around to protect you!
Dakota just shot you down and now you have no one to run in and defend you. We all know how easily you get hurt and how you really cant stand up for yourself.
You poor old dude!
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:57 pm
I am guessin Warren didnt want to sign for league minimum jajajaja, thats why they signed Joseph back again
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:58 pm
408…
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March 22nd, 2010 at 3:59 pm
—”Raiders re-signed DT William Joseph. Joseph, turning 31 before the season, has been on and off Oakland’s roster throughout the last three years. The former first-round pick hasn’t registered a single sack since 2006 and will be in a fight to make the roster.”—
Great news, he doesnt cost much, and he is (to me) a good enough backup
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
wouldn’t be surprised to see Warren back on roster, maybe not at league minimum, but a lot less than he would have got.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Well Northern D, if Al still favours USC, even though they brought the Kiffster back from UT, I definitely think that he has got to take a long hard look at Charles Brown at No8. Brown is possibly the safest pick at OT, especially for a ZBS team. He’s gained weight, he’s muscled-up, he’s got really long arms and he’s got good feet. As I said before, Charles Brown is the new Sam Baker.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Jimmy Clausen, the 2nd coming of Brady Quinn, that Clausen?
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Okay, Russell wasn’t a shotgun only QB….that was a poor choice of words Debo, he was just a QB that took the majority of his pass attempts from the shotgun. That was a widely talked about issue before he was drafted.
As to the playbook deal….if Russell took the time to actually study the playbook in the offseason and still came in and performed the way he did, well, I guess your guy has even bigger issues than I thought lol.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm
I hear Tony Mandarich is looking for a job
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm
HB, do you think fargas will comeback???
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Drafting a center at 8?
Let’s just get Mike Ditka to run the draft.
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I’m telling you, watching the draft over the past few years, we always see the types of OT we’re seeing this year. We don’t often see a center that is strong enough to go against a big NT and can move, maybe 1-2 every three years.
Too may times teams reach for these premium picks and wind up underestimating the impact a superior talent can have at any position. I don’t understand how you can pass up a difference maker, like Eric Berry for example, just because he doesn’t play one of the blessed positions. We need to re-establish the Raider tradition of great centers.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
Clausen is much better than Quinn. Clausen has better accuracy and a stronger arm. Quinn played behind a much better Oline and the Irish actually had a defense then. Clausen’s scoring was remarkable given the lousy field position he usually had to start from.
Still think Clausen is the best value at No8. Not the best player, but the best value.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
I don’t think he will come back, I know he will come back. He will not only come back but he will steal carries from Bush, Mc, and the guy we draft! I want him as a motivation coach or not at all!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:08 pm
William Joseph re-signed. Wooohoooo…..a reserve 3-tech will probably be our starting NT this Fall. Why?
Because he’s a former 1st round pick….he’s a great player!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Have we learned nothing from last year!?!?!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Jimmy Clausen, the 2nd coming of Brady Quinn, that Clausen?
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Now watch Brady Quinn win the Broncos job and annihilate us on MNF the first game of the season….I will blame KK.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Joseph resigning doesn’t mean much. He will be on the minimum and could be cut before the final 53 without much bother. He’s just good insurance.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
The problem with Bush and McFadden, is Cable’s play calling, f-in horrible. Iam prayin Hue Jackson does a better job cause i like Bush as our feature back!!! Fargas can stay on the team as 4th back up, if everyone is hurt or tired, he can step in and thats it!!!!1
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:00 pm
wouldn’t be surprised to see Warren back on roster, maybe not at league minimum, but a lot less than he would have got.
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I hope not. Because if he comes back, that means he probably starts.
AGain, why is no team jumping up to take this great player. This great NT. In a league where DTs are a PREMIUM….Mr. Warren sits and waits….just like Terdell Sands sits and waits….just like the run defense sits and waits…and waits….and waits
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:11 pm
is the 1st game on mnf definate?
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Scottish Raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Well Northern D, if Al still favours USC, even though they brought the Kiffster back from UT, I definitely think that he has got to take a long hard look at Charles Brown at No8. Brown is possibly the safest pick at OT, especially for a ZBS team. He’s gained weight, he’s muscled-up, he’s got really long arms and he’s got good feet. As I said before, Charles Brown is the new Sam Baker.
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Former tight end with project potential.
Not much help for us right away and has the same tendencies as Cornell Green far as letting slower defenders get the better of him. Reverts to poor technique when tired or disinterested.
IF we were to take an inexperienced project, Brown would be an option, but if you’re going to get a 3yr project guy, Davis would likely take Bruce Campell.
I hope we don’t reach for either.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
Have we learned nothing from last year!?!?!
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Yes, we know for certain that Tom Cable is not an NFL caliber head coach.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:12 pm
I personally think Warren its 100 times better then Turd Sands!!!!!! but not worth the money we been paying him. We need SUH damn it!!!!!!! jajajajaa
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:13 pm
Snb-I hope not , I just have a feeling he will be back on the roster for a reasonable price. I hope not starting.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm
dakota,we knew this last year, apperently the guy upstairs didn’t get the memo.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Scottish Raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Joseph resigning doesn’t mean much. He will be on the minimum and could be cut before the final 53 without much bother. He’s just good insurance.
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Insurance for what? You insure an asset against uncertainty….what asset is Joseph protecting? A 31st run defense?
Al Davis better do something proactive about fixing the middle of this miserable Defense
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
SD_ The turd I layed in the toilet this A.M. is 100 times better than turd Sands. what a waste of space! Bring back Sam Adams and Ted Washington! At least they were fat bodies that could do something.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
jajajajaja HB, thats so fukin true
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:14 pm
dakota,we knew this last year, apperently the guy upstairs didn’t get the memo.
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Some of us saw it in 2008. A few more figured it out in 2009.
Yet, there are still some that think he is just what the doctor ordered! I call them the short bus crowd.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Bulaga’s the safest pick in the draft. Great technique and likely a starter somewhere along the line immediately which is why he likely won’t be there at 8 though he’s rated some where in the late teens on most value boards.
Had a thyroid scare and missed games last year. Some teams may balk and he could slide, but with Tackles at a premium, I wouldn’t count on it.
Bulaga is by far the most NFl ready for the ZBS of the top tackles BTW.
“Bulaga’s run blocking is exceptional, especially for a zone system similar to that he ran at Iowa”
He does need work on his protection on the left side, but may be better off on the right.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:18 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams, just insurance against not having enough bodies in camp. At the moment we only have Kelly and Bryant under contract. They want Seymour to play DE – at least for the first two downs. We will definitely draft a DT and maybe pick up a FA – but until then, we need another body.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm
Okay, Russell wasn’t a shotgun only QB….that was a poor choice of words Debo, he was just a QB that took the majority of his pass attempts from the shotgun. That was a widely talked about issue before he was drafted.
As to the playbook deal….if Russell took the time to actually study the playbook in the offseason and still came in and performed the way he did, well, I guess your guy has even bigger issues than I thought lol.
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I agree. JR has a really big issue. His SUPPORTING CAST!! While there are varying opinions on JR on this board, just about everyone agrees that our OL is terrible and our rookie receivers struggled when Chaz went down. Rookies! Name a QB who had to go into the season with his STARTING WRs as roookies behind a bad OL. Not a recipe for success. Having a body like Brady Quinn and Peyton Manning-like study habits couldn’t have overcome the supporting cast he had last year.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
But Bulaga won’t get past Kansas City – especially if the Lions take Okung.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Warren would be welcome back at a reduced rate and role.
Jospeh needs to reach his lofty 1st round potential.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm
NorthernD- who did rocket ismail play for in college?
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He played for the Irish…
That’s two players in twenty odd years. You got me…
Davis took him on a flyer, he went to the CFL first.
Notre Dame hasn’t been getting the premium high school picks lately. Too much classroom time required.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Fire Cable!
Cut JaLoser!
Cut Joseph! WTF
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Dakota, It would be nice to get a real coach in here. I guess the only nice things I could say about cable is- he is a “rah rah” guy with thick skin. I want to say it is good to have consistency, but I’m afraid in this case it will mean consistently bad. Here’s to hopin the Raiders “catch lightning in a bottle” next year. That’s the only way we go to 8 or 9 wins.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Scottish Raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
But Bulaga won’t get past Kansas City – especially if the Lions take Okung.
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Don’t know about that.
Berry is pretty high on their list and great safeties are harder to find than linemen.
Bulaga makes sense only if they think he’s an upgrade over Albert at LT and judging by Bulaga’s protection issues, he may not be.
It was new Chief Romeo Crennel that ran the drill Berry got injured on.
Way to go Crennel.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:23 pm
Nnamdi21 agree with you!!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
BoJacks Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Drafting a center at 8?
Let’s just get Mike Ditka to run the draft.
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I’m telling you, watching the draft over the past few years, we always see the types of OT we’re seeing this year. We don’t often see a center that is strong enough to go against a big NT and can move, maybe 1-2 every three years.
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Dude, we DO NOT see this type of OT class year in and year out. In fact if 4 OT’s are taken in the lst round, that is alot. This year, there might be 4 OT’s taken in the lst 10-11 picks! And after Okung, it’s really a juggling match as to who the next four are, and what order.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Lot of negatives working against Russell last year Raider Debo.
I think his lack of dedication hurt him, but losing Gallery early and often weakened the whole line and the run game fell off.
Fullback was a disaster too. Oren wasn’t ready to go Lornezo Neal was (out the door) and Luke Lawton couldn’t make a practice squad anywhere else even with the steroids he got banned for.
With out the run the pass game was even more exposed.
The offense has been a disaster for years even with high powered 1st round DPs.
They need a line to block for them.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Why we aren’t looking at Andrews and Mawae for the oline is beyond me.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Russell lost his father figure going into camp, no?
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Kell, do u give him a get out of jail free card for that?
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:31 pm
Oakland has drafted 5 DTs in the last 10 or so years and none higher than the 4th round AND no DTs have been drafted since 2005. Instead we relied on Terdell Sands (7th rd K.C), Tommy Kelly (UFA), and bust free agent.
Anttaj Hawthorne 6th round 2005
Chris Cooper 6th round 2001
Junior Ione 4th round 2000
Roderick Coleman 5th round 1999
Daren Yancy 6th round 1999
and Raider fan wonders why the run defense is an absolute disgrace
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm
We’re all human, Hairy.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Rod Coleman wasnt horrible
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm
# HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Why we aren’t looking at Andrews and Mawae for the oline is beyond me.
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RIGHT!!!!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
# HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Why we aren’t looking at Andrews and Mawae for the oline is beyond me.
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The offensive line is the ONE UNIT that requires LOTS of continuity. Bringing in a guy like Mawae who is 17 years in the league just means we are going to have to go thru the entire process AGAIN in a year or two. Andrews is a nice player tho.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
ol rod coleman was prettty damn good player
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
What about Cassell and Favre losing there fathers? (they lit us up)I undersand Favre is in a totaly diffrent league, but my point is some guys use it as motivation to fuel the fire that’s all. I respect the human angle on things. I just wish JRuss would change his mentality with a lot of things.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
BoJacks Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Drafting a center at 8?
Let’s just get Mike Ditka to run the draft.
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I’m telling you, watching the draft over the past few years, we always see the types of OT we’re seeing this year. We don’t often see a center that is strong enough to go against a big NT and can move, maybe 1-2 every three years.
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Dude, we DO NOT see this type of OT class year in and year out. In fact if 4 OT’s are taken in the lst round, that is alot. This year, there might be 4 OT’s taken in the lst 10-11 picks! And after Okung, it’s really a juggling match as to who the next four are, and what order.
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Davis has no problem reaching for a player he wants.
I agree Oakland needs a bad azz center and I think Pouncey’s going to be one.
Made all the Gators line calls, is smart and quick. The more I see about him the more I think he could be the next Mangold and very well could be one of the few centers taken in the 1st round.
wish we were taking him.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
Yep, Rod Coleman was good. Davis didn’t value him though, evidently.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
The offensive line is the ONE UNIT that requires LOTS of continuity. Bringing in a guy like Mawae who is 17 years in the league just means we are going to have to go thru the entire process AGAIN in a year or two. Andrews is a nice player tho.
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Mawae 17 year vet… guys been at it this long he must be doing something right and would be better than anything we have right now at that position!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Seymour,Mawae could bring stability for 1 maybe 2 years why we groom a young guy. no?
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
I had us taking Maurkice Pouncey at the top of the 2nd round on MY mock drafts, so that probably tells you what I think of the guy! Now, he may not last that long.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
Rod Coleman was promptly allowed to leave
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:39 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:33 pm
# HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:29 pm
Why we aren’t looking at Andrews and Mawae for the oline is beyond me.
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Eagle s bent over back wards for Andrews, even traded big money for his brother to play along side him in hopes of easing the big mans anxiety.
No dice. With his back problems and straight up mental issues, I doubt he ever plays another snap in the NFL.
We already had a guy with mental problems on the O line. what a disaster.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Seymour,Mawae could bring stability for 1 maybe 2 years why we groom a young guy. no?
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If he’s got anything in the tank Denver’s going to sign him.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:40 pm
sign mawae draft POuncey let him play guard till he learns the position at the next level… move 6- 8 spots down and aquire another 3rd rd pick in doing so….
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:41 pm
21— im not big on andrews only big mawae
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Nnamdi, I guess I think we are so bad that even a guy like Andrews who may or may not have issues would still be a pretty good upgrade over the majority of the Raiders current Oline.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Nnamdi, are u saying Denver will sign him to spite us, or just because it’s a need for them as well.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
I had us taking Maurkice Pouncey at the top of the 2nd round on MY mock drafts, so that probably tells you what I think of the guy! Now, he may not last that long.
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Pouncey MAY actaully slide there for us in the 2nd. I’d be crushed if we passed on him there.
Some have concerns about him playing in the Gators shotgun system and that he’s never really played with a QB under his azz.
Whether thats enough for him to slide to us in the 2nd, I don’t know, but fingers crossed!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Lot of negatives working against Russell last year Raider Debo.
I think his lack of dedication hurt him, but losing Gallery early and often weakened the whole line and the run game fell off.
Fullback was a disaster too. Oren wasn’t ready to go Lornezo Neal was (out the door) and Luke Lawton couldn’t make a practice squad anywhere else even with the steroids he got banned for.
With out the run the pass game was even more exposed.
The offense has been a disaster for years even with high powered 1st round DPs.
They need a line to block for them.
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No kidding Nnamdi,
And to top it off, our defense sucked. One mistake or three-and-out on offense, and it was seven for the other team. Teams possessed the ball against us because we couldn’t stop the run. It blows my mind how things could have gone so bad after the way we played at the end of 2008. That two-game stretch was easily the best this team has looked during this 7-year drought.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Nnamdi, are u saying Denver will sign him to spite us, or just because it’s a need for them as well.
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Need. I don’t think Davis is interested. KC needs a center too.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
we resigned Barnes for a reason he will get the oppt to be the starting RT… a line of
lt henderson
lg gall
c mawae
rg pouncey
rt barnes
the key of course is if barnes can play like he did from 2006-2008 for Jax
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
The upgrade to the O-Line that is needed is to bring in a Right Tackle and Right Guard. Although, big Langston might make a good Guard.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:45 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Nnamdi, I guess I think we are so bad that even a guy like Andrews who may or may not have issues would still be a pretty good upgrade over the majority of the Raiders current Oline.
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If he had his head on straight, word up, that guy would be pro bowl material. Sad really…one day he’ll look back at a blown opportunity.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
The offenses problems are players not playing to their ability.
The problem on defense is a lack of talent up the middle. No amount of motivation is going to help the DTs and MLB
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
Barnes had a few dui run ins where he uttered racial epithets. That helped usher him out of Jacksonville more than his play.
Giving up as many sacks as Kwame Harris might’ve hurt too, but have to remember, by the end of opening day the Jags had lost 3 of their starting linemen.
No wonder Barnes struggled.
He balked at playing RT and not sure he’s ever done it before.
Hope he learns or we draft someone good.
I say we draft, cuz to count on Barnes would be a huge leap.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:36 pm
What about Cassell and Favre losing there fathers? (they lit us up)I undersand Favre is in a totaly diffrent league, but my point is some guys use it as motivation to fuel the fire that’s all. I respect the human angle on things. I just wish JRuss would change his mentality with a lot of things
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Both Favre and Cassell had those things happen during the season. Not much time to grieve. In fact, football was probably an escape. Russell’s situation was totally different.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
# HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Seymour,Mawae could bring stability for 1 maybe 2 years why we groom a young guy. no?
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No, because remember, everything would have to start again. Especially with the Oline unit. It is VERY difficult to get those guys all on the same page. That is one thing that all coaches and players HATE is continual change on the Oline. And remember I don’t think Satele actually played much or at all the lst half of the season.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:48 pm
The offenses problems are players not playing to their ability.
The problem on defense is a lack of talent up the middle. No amount of motivation is going to help the DTs and MLB
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Sounds about right.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
And after Okung, it’s really a juggling match as to who the next four are, and what order.
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And that’s pretty much my point. Okung is head and shoulders above the rest. The others are kinda of massed together with pluses and minuses to each one (the short armed guy, the fatter guy, the raw prospect guy). Why not grab a player who is a special prospect, that is one of the highest rated at his position in years.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:49 pm
# HairyBush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
Seymour,Mawae could bring stability for 1 maybe 2 years why we groom a young guy. no?
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No, because remember, everything would have to start again. Especially with the Oline unit. It is VERY difficult to get those guys all on the same page. That is one thing that all coaches and players HATE is continual change on the Oline. And remember I don’t think Satele actually played much or at all the lst half of the season.
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Only reason Satele saw action was because Gallery got hurt again and Morris, who did ok playing center after Satele was benched, was shifted to left guard where he was manhandled.
Henderson and Satele suffered with out Gallery. The whole line did.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:52 pm
The problem on defense is a lack of talent up the middle. No amount of motivation is going to help the DTs and MLB
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need a run stuffin MLB in this draft ….either donald butler or big micah… i think butler will be a beast he popped off 35 reps at 225… either can be had in the 3rd or 4th rd
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Watch Okung fall to us and we pass for Taylor Mays.
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Peace owt!
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
I see how easy it is for people to wait until the mid to late rounds to find that starting DT or MLB>…..how bout we wait till the 2nd or 3rd round for an O-Lineman?
Mario Henderson played as well or better than the 3 of the 4 LTs taken in the 1st round last year…with the exception of Michael Oher.
I say you continue to develop him and not throw him to the scrapheap or switch his position
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:59 pm
# BoJacks Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
And after Okung, it’s really a juggling match as to who the next four are, and what order.
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And that’s pretty much my point. Okung is head and shoulders above the rest. The others are kinda of massed together with pluses and minuses to each one (the short armed guy, the fatter guy, the raw prospect guy). Why not grab a player who is a special prospect, that is one of the highest rated at his position in years.
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BoJacks I think it’s not that there’s One great guy and a bunch of so so guys, I think there is one really excellent guy, and a three more just shy of really excellent guys, who would be excellent if it weren’t for Okung. And that is VERY rare.
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Mario Henderson played as well or better than the 3 of the 4 LTs taken in the 1st round last year…with the exception of Michael Oher.
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I don’t know if you can say that. Henderson REALLY wore down at the end of the season.
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
21 they did a Q & A with Barnes on raider web site i read last nite he is content with playing rt or any other position he says as long as we get the best 5 out there…
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:00 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:57 pm
Mario Henderson played as well or better than the 3 of the 4 LTs taken in the 1st round last year…with the exception of Michael Oher.
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I don’t know if you can say that. Henderson REALLY wore down at the end of the season.
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He gave up a lot of sacks. He was okay, not more than that.
He could end up on the right side or at guard if he doesn’t pick up his game this year.
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:29 pm
i forgot about him but probably our best ol at years end was langston walker i know its not saying much but idk where he fits in
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Hello Raider fans
March 22nd, 2010 at 5:55 pm
30 Yr,
Big Langston is definitely worth bringing back for another look. at least as veteran backup/swingman. You’re right 30 yr, when he was forced into action at guard, he did seem to open up some nice holes.
Plus, He’s a No. Cal guy right? I believe he played college ball at Cal, and was originally drafted by Oakland. So, I would imagine he would be open to resigning.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Remember tho that Langston Walker basically didn’t play any snaps for 4 months. That was what happened with Mario Henderson the year before. He played well against guys who had played every single down for 13 games. Mario hadn’t. He was much fresher. You guys remember Timmy Smith in the Super Bowl? dude ran for 200+ yards against a Dungver defense that was worn out, and then Smith was never heard from again. That’s the way Walker was last year. Played the last few games, and played well, but was playing fresh against guys who had played 700 NFL snaps.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:07 pm
The guy I’m looking forward to watching this preseason is Samson Satele at center. I know the general consencus on this board is that the guy is a bum, and a weak bum at that. I’m hoping to see a much improved Satele next year. The guy couldvery well have been playing last year with one arm behind his back. The guy will be one year removed from his shoulder surgery, and hopefully a lot stronger. As well as more comfortable with his surroundings and teammates/system.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Best player in the draft who will fall the furthest and no doubt be a great pro:
- OT Jason Fox
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:13 pm
a healthy samson and a healthy gallery might do wonders
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March 22nd, 2010 at 6:15 pm
im still not sold on this ZB scheme either i like power blocking mano y mano instead of blocking a certain area.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Tom Cable & ZBS don’t need 1st round talent, remember?
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 pm
The ZBS died when we got the new oc.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
Did it? I’d like to know. It would be nice if they let Hue Jackson talk to the media.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:25 pm
# Raider guy Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:23 pm
The ZBS died when we got the new oc.
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i hope ur right but i think ur not
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Nice change of pace in here to have some discussions about ball (at least for the last 50 entries or so). With all the bashing Raider fans get it is cool to come in here and check out the knowledge bombs that can be dropped…instead of the fulfilling of a stereotype.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:31 pm
I got an in. I am right.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Rockstar,
Put me down for a trade up for Suh.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:36 pm
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March 22nd, 2010 at 6:36 pm
I think, too, that you can guess Cable had to negotiate to keep his job. There had to be a give and take. The take was the job, the give was how the o was going to be run. Remember when Cable was hired and AL said he wanted someone to dominate the locker room? Cable has done well at that (see all the players lobby for him this off season?). What he hasn’t done has produced any kind of productive offense, jruss or not. More and more, the guy reminds me of madden.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:38 pm
# Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Best player in the draft who will fall the furthest and no doubt be a great pro:
- OT Jason Fox
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theres a lil info about FOX for ya… me personally i watch alot of hurricanes game he could be a steal in the 3rd or 4th
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:38 pm
I wonder if al kept him because he reminds him of madden too, sort of be the head of the locker room and run the show.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Watch Okung fall to us and we pass for Taylor Mays.
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I’m following the draft from my cell phone. If Al Davis passed on Okung for Mays I’d rather have the phone as the messenger and not my big screen Samsung.
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:44 pm
So who ran the Raiders when Madden was the coach?
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Al Davis
Ron wolf
John Madden
Gene Upshaw
March 22nd, 2010 at 6:52 pm
in that order
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
kind of a slow night tonight, huh fellas.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Maybe they got rid of Richochiot.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Kell, I’m not going to complain about people cloning my name anymore, for the simple fact that I don’t want to sound as ridiculous as Richochet has the past few days. Could you believe him? What a drama queen!
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
And I love how he was threatening to not comment here anymore if it continues. No, Richochet, don’t leave, really!
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
That’s an intersting observation RaiderGuy. The comparison to Madden, that is. I can see a little bit of that. I think the players generally like playing for cable, and I am glad he was retained.
You know what I think one of his biggest problems is. Besides from his often questionable play calling. Four straight drop back passes from Cleveland 2 yard line for example. It’s the guys physical appearance. He just doesn’t look like your average NFL Head Coach. He gives the appearance of being a buffoon or a doofus. To me he looks like Curly the Stooge’s slightly more menacing looking older brother.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:47 pm
And if you think that sounds silly, or superficial, that somebody’s physical appearance would or wouldn’t have an effect on how others perceive someone, don’t tell that to Rex Ryan.
He felt he was passed over for several HC opportunities because he was just too fat.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 pm
I think there was the physical resemblance thing with madden in his later years when Cable first came on the scene. But madden’s thing was really getting the players to play for him. He wasn’t any sort of play calling genius or anything. Did you ever hear that thing about the only three rules he had: be on time, pay attention, and play like hell on sunday. The more I have come to know Cable, the more I could see him having that type of rapport with his players. When they all went to bat for him, I thought that madden thing was even more apparent. If we could just get some big time leaders, I think we are close. Watching some of the games from last year, we are not that far. We just don’t have the on the field leadership we had in the early part of this decade or 1963 – 1984
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:49 pm
hurricanes typically have a lot of talent. i personally watch a lot of cornhusker games. itd be a dream to watch my favorite player from my favorite college come to the silver and black.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Cheetos…I like that tackle from the huskers a lot. I think he might be THE o line guy in this draft despite what others are thinking/saying
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:54 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:39 pm
And I love how he was threatening to not comment here anymore if it continues. No, Richochet, don’t leave, really!
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Take your head out of your ass, little boy.
Being stupid is one thing…being a liar is another.
don’t lie, asswipe…my comment said one thing, one thing only…I’ll let the mods deal with your cross posting ass..and they did.
The other posts, you sorry intimidated slapped on joke, was you making it very clear that I got your pretty little pink panties all in a bunch, after detailing all of your snide comments directed at others that should get you banned.
Hell, I laughed at you trying to intimidate me..and even at that you fell short, and was obvious to all your ignorant ass wasn’t me.
Nice try…actually…it wasn’t…just proves you’re not just everyone else’s beyotch..but my own little personal tool.
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:38 pm
Kell, I’m not going to complain about people cloning my name anymore, for the simple fact that I don’t want to sound as ridiculous as Richochet has the past few days. Could you believe him? What a drama queen!
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Didn’t you post this already a half dozen times, you moron?
thinking isn’t your forte’…is it?
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:55 pm
BUCK—–He gives the appearance of being a buffoon or a doofus. To me he looks like Curly the Stooge’s slightly more menacing looking older brother.
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Lmfao!!!! what about a homer simpson type????
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:57 pm
there goes the raider talk and here comes the bagging!!! lol
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:59 pm
You know…I think the first time I got Little MaddenMoron to blow a head gasket was when I started laughing at his coming out of the closet posts…
You remember that, moron?
Sure you do, lol….let’s laugh again, shall we?
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September 29th, 2009 at 1:45pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
I’d still take Garcia. It would be kind of nice to see Jeffy running around in tight pants again.
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Tell you what…explain that to everyone on how you get all warm and fuzzies thinking about Jeffy in those oh so tight rippling pants, MaddenMoron…
No wonder your sorry insecure ass sits here in your attention whore modes…it’s lipstick night, isn’t it?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:01 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Maybe they got rid of Richochiot.
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In your dreams, quadraphonic blubberbuns.
Sooooo…how was business today?
Sell anything, Mikey?
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:02 pm
Wow…all these new “cross posting” handles…all these “BRAND NEW” never before posters…who just…out of the blue…step right in as if they’ve..almost…….
….been here before.
Odd…isn’t it? lol
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:07 pm
# Raider guy Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 7:48 pm
I think there was the physical resemblance thing with madden in his later years when Cable first came on the scene. But madden’s thing was really getting the players to play for him. He wasn’t any sort of play calling genius or anything. Did you ever hear that thing about the only three rules he had: be on time, pay attention, and play like hell on sunday. The more I have come to know Cable, the more I could see him having that type of rapport with his players. When they all went to bat for him, I thought that madden thing was even more apparent. If we could just get some big time leaders, I think we are close. Watching some of the games from last year, we are not that far. We just don’t have the on the field leadership we had in the early part of this decade or 1963 – 1984
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Oh geez…don’t EVER put Madden and Cable in the same sentence.
Madden motivated…Cable is a stiff.
Madden was passionate…Cable barely registers a pulse…I mean, ever.
On time? Cable doesn’t have any repercussions for being late..JR, who banked 30 million, got the equivalent of a 5 cent fine.
And play like hell on Sunday? Cable? The players…play like hell on Sunday..for Cable?
Tom Cable?
Rolly polly guy on the sidelines?? That guy?
Aren’t you actually supposed to…you know…perform?
Setting a NFL record for consecutive 11 game losses isn’t performing.
31st in total offense?
26th in total defense?
Explain again the “play hard on Sunday” part.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:09 pm
30 Yr,Rich-O,
It’s 11:00 out this way. Bout my bedtime.
Goodnight fellas, Have a nice evening.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Ha ha ha! Yeh, the mods dealt with me. Just what did they do, Richochet? You’re insane. You really need to let this go. Whoever was doing the cloning the other day was doing it to a few of us, but it’s only you crying about it like someone poisoned your dog. Get over it. Oh, can’t wait for the mods to punish me some more. Punishing me by doing what? I have no idea. But according to your logic, since I know how to do it, I must be the one who’s doing it, right? That means every person who knows how to fire a gun must be guilty of every unsolved murder. Your brilliance is just growing, “peanut”.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Dakota Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Debo,
The difference between Russell and Clausen is that Clausen will study the playbook in the offseason, keep himself in shape, and do what needs to be done in order to be a successful NFL QB.
Clausen has already demonstrated his willingness to work his ass off to improve. Russell was fat and lazy in college and is still fat and lazy….surprise surprise!
Russell’s numbers and Clausen’s numbers their final season in college are close…both had great years statistically, but Clausen has been under center in a pro-style offense for three years. Russell was a shotgun only QB. Clausen threw to WRs running professional style routes. Russell chucked it down the field with great success. Russell has great arm strength, Clausen only has good arm strength, lol.
I’d take Clausen over Russell in 2010 for the Raiders in a fukin heartbeat.
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true that!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
if i was the rams i wouldnt even consider drafting anyone but suh. the rams arent a qb away from anything great ad surely suh alone cant turn them into a playoff contender. but suh is the kind of player that comes along once every fifteen years if that. why take a chance on some kid with a f’ed up shoulder who took all his snaps out of the shotgun. suh had a bigger impact on each game he played in more so than any other player in college. just look at what he did to colt mccoy. watch the tape where suh flung mccoy into the groung like a rag doll. the funniest thing i saw all year was in that big 12 championship game when nebraska took the lead at the end of the game they zoomed in on mccoys face right before he had to come out for one last drive and all you could see was a little terrified boy almost in tears. i want any player who could put that look on someones face let alone it be the winningest qb in college football history.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:21 pm
if clausen is on the board at #8 we would have to entertain the idea
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm
mccoys a wuss just a big ol titty baby
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm
I doubt Clausen would do much more than Russell to be a good QB here. Any 1st round QB here either demands to get traded, or collects a check like Russell.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:26 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Lot of negatives working against Russell last year Raider Debo.
I think his lack of dedication hurt him, but losing Gallery early and often weakened the whole line and the run game fell off.
Fullback was a disaster too. Oren wasn’t ready to go Lornezo Neal was (out the door) and Luke Lawton couldn’t make a practice squad anywhere else even with the steroids he got banned for.
With out the run the pass game was even more exposed.
The offense has been a disaster for years even with high powered 1st round DPs.
They need a line to block for them.
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Yet POS’s like Gradkowski and Frye performed so much better than the BIG GUY!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I doubt Clausen would do much more than Russell to be a good QB here. Any 1st round QB here either demands to get traded, or collects a check like Russell.
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Clausen could do more than Jawalmart with a blindfold on and both hands tied behind his back!!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:35 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:24 pm
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nothing that adds to the discourse here so go away. We all know what you are going to say, and you’ve said it a million times already.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:39 pm
so jawalrus comes in at 271lbs looks “good” wow!!!! this fat fu-ker mustve been close to 300lbs!!! lets just give him his walking papers now!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I doubt Clausen would do much more than Russell to be a good QB here. Any 1st round QB here either demands to get traded, or collects a check like Russell.
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Clausen could do more than Jawalmart with a blindfold on and both hands tied behind his back!!!!
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Yep….easily!
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Clausen can also sling it and is ACCURATE!
Imagine Clausen with a good running game behind him…
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Clausen can also sling it and is ACCURATE!
Imagine Clausen with a good running game behind him…
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Imagine any QB with a good running game behind him. Ever heard of Mark Sanchez? Give me a break!! Tell me this. If Clausen couldn’t be the savior at the college level, what the hell makes you think he can be here??
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
clausens not any good. this year is a weak qb draft. just like the year we drafted jawalrus. it seems the team picking number one id always screwed by the talent at qb in the draft. jake locker had he entered th draft would have been the only guy id even consider drafting over suh. he reminds me of steve young. from what ive seen hes every bit the runner of vince young with a cannon of a arm to bad we dont have a first round pick in next years draft.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Bulaga’s the safest pick in the draft. Great technique and likely a starter somewhere along the line immediately which is why he likely won’t be there at 8 though he’s rated some where in the late teens on most value boards.
Had a thyroid scare and missed games last year. Some teams may balk and he could slide, but with Tackles at a premium, I wouldn’t count on it.
Bulaga is by far the most NFl ready for the ZBS of the top tackles BTW.
“Bulaga’s run blocking is exceptional, especially for a zone system similar to that he ran at Iowa”
He does need work on his protection on the left side, but may be better off on the right.
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I don’t about the safest pick in the draft….samething was said about another short armed Iowa OT Gallery with us and he ended up being a LG.
The safest picks are Suh and Okung IMO.
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:59 pm
PassTheCheetos Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:54 pm
clausens not any good. this year is a weak qb draft. just like the year we drafted jawalrus. it seems the team picking number one id always screwed by the talent at qb in the draft. jake locker had he entered th draft would have been the only guy id even consider drafting over suh. he reminds me of steve young. from what ive seen hes every bit the runner of vince young with a cannon of a arm to bad we dont have a first round pick in next years draft.
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Don’t think I’d go as far as “every bit the runner as VY”, but he looks like a very good prospect. I kind of like Clausen, but he isn’t even close to being the prospect JR was coming out of LSU. It’ll be interesting to see how he does.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
listen im no domer but clausen will be a damn good qb in this league for years to come bet that!! and right now he would be better than anything we have on our roster right now!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Clausen can also sling it and is ACCURATE!
Imagine Clausen with a good running game behind him…
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Imagine any QB with a good running game behind him. Ever heard of Mark Sanchez? Give me a break!! Tell me this. If Clausen couldn’t be the savior at the college level, what the hell makes you think he can be here??
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Clausen is the same as Sanchez IMO.
USC wanted Clausen for a reason….
Your trying to say Juggs Russell would be beat out Clausen in a head to head battle for the starting QB position??
Don’t even try and waste my time by saying something like that. Clausen would pick up the play book immediately and is smart, accurate and a hard worker.
Who is the hell is calling Clausen a savior??
He can sit a year and learn behind Grads, Frye or Losman….he sure wouldn’t learn crap from Juggs Russell! LOL
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:04 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
listen im no domer but clausen will be a damn good qb in this league for years to come bet that!! and right now he would be better than anything we have on our roster right now!!!
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Dude, come on. You’ve got to be a domer to be on Clausen’s jock so hard. I thought he was pretty good, but what is it about his game that has you so convinced he’s gonna be a star?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm
could not have said better myself dark knight
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Raiders aren’t going to get a chance at a top QB prospect for awhile. Forget about Locker next year since the Pats have the 1st rounder.
Ugh….
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Clausen can also sling it and is ACCURATE!
Imagine Clausen with a good running game behind him…
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Imagine any QB with a good running game behind him. Ever heard of Mark Sanchez? Give me a break!! Tell me this. If Clausen couldn’t be the savior at the college level, what the hell makes you think he can be here??
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Clausen is the same as Sanchez IMO.
USC wanted Clausen for a reason….
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That’s your basis for creamin your shorts over Clausen? Because USC wanted him?? Lol. In case you didn’t know, JR was one of the most highly recruited players in the country too. And this “learning the playbook” garbage is really getting tired. You’ve got no clue how much of the playbook he knows or doesn’t know.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
The same kind of hype we heard about Quinn in 07′
Smart
Hard worker
Competitive
blaah blah blah.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
Doesn’t matter anyway…the old dumb man Al is not going to admit his mistake with Juggs by drafting Clausen.
The old man Al doesn’t want to embarass himself….he has too much stupid stubborn pride! LOL
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
dude im a big SC guy lets get that straight first and foremost and i do know football talent.. lets take the ND & SC game this past season for instance. im up by 21 with the 3rd qrt winding down… he lights a fire under his teams ass brings them back to within seconds of victory… his leadership skills are there, his arm is very good and he can move around the pocket.. plus hes had a pretty good oc at the nfl level in ol fat ass weis working with him..
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm
God have mercy on him if the Raiders draft him.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
The same kind of hype we heard about Quinn in 07′
Smart
Hard worker
Competitive
blaah blah blah
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Nah….comparing Clausen to Quinn is like comparing apples to oranges.
Clausen has far better mechanics, pocket awareness, and more importantly ACCURACY!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:15 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
The same kind of hype we heard about Quinn in 07′
Smart
Hard worker
Competitive
blaah blah blah.
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clausen is not brady queen from ohio hes from so cal that in itself should explain the difference
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:17 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:13 pm
God have mercy on him if the Raiders draft him.
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so i guess your on the JAWALMART bandwaggon???? you prob think he looks good to at 271lbs???
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Clausen can also sling it and is ACCURATE!
Imagine Clausen with a good running game behind him…
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Imagine any QB with a good running game behind him. Ever heard of Mark Sanchez? Give me a break!! Tell me this. If Clausen couldn’t be the savior at the college level, what the hell makes you think he can be here??
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Clausen is the same as Sanchez IMO.
USC wanted Clausen for a reason….
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That’s your basis for creamin your shorts over Clausen? Because USC wanted him?? Lol. In case you didn’t know, JR was one of the most highly recruited players in the country too. And this “learning the playbook” garbage is really getting tired. You’ve got no clue how much of the playbook he knows or doesn’t know.
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Creamin my shorts??? LOL
I’m just saying Clausen would be better than lazy Juggs Russell from DAY ONE!
Are you a ND hater or something? If your a Notre Dame hater than that is irrelevent!
I don’t give a crap about ND…but Clausen is a talent and I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up better than the stiff Bradford who can’t scan the field and who is always hurt. Clausen can scan the field better than Bradford……write that down.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:23 pm
I think Notre Dame held back Casey Clausen and his draft worth. He got his butt kicked every game trying to score 30 points just to stay competitive.
Put that guy on Oklahoma or Florida, and he is the first pick in this draft.
My two cents.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:24 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:12 pm
dude im a big SC guy lets get that straight first and foremost and i do know football talent.. lets take the ND & SC game this past season for instance. im up by 21 with the 3rd qrt winding down… he lights a fire under his teams ass brings them back to within seconds of victory… his leadership skills are there, his arm is very good and he can move around the pocket.. plus hes had a pretty good oc at the nfl level in ol fat ass weis working with him..
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I watched that game. Was actually fulling for ND. it was impressive, but let’s not ignore the fact that Russell did the same things at LSU. In fact he’s been credited with eight 4th qtr comebacks in college, all wins by the way. Plus, he’s done it at the pro level for us. The comeback against Tampa from 10 points down in the 4th is, in my opinion, the most impressive Raider victory in the last seven years. And we know about the KC and Denver games this year. All I’m saying is to have a little more patience.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
jajabba the fat- fuk might be the worst qb in the history of the NFL
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Clausen can also sling it and is ACCURATE!
Imagine Clausen with a good running game behind him…
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Imagine any QB with a good running game behind him. Ever heard of Mark Sanchez? Give me a break!! Tell me this. If Clausen couldn’t be the savior at the college level, what the hell makes you think he can be here??
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Clausen is the same as Sanchez IMO.
USC wanted Clausen for a reason….
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That’s your basis for creamin your shorts over Clausen? Because USC wanted him?? Lol. In case you didn’t know, JR was one of the most highly recruited players in the country too. And this “learning the playbook” garbage is really getting tired. You’ve got no clue how much of the playbook he knows or doesn’t know.
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Creamin my shorts??? LOL
I’m just saying Clausen would be better than lazy Juggs Russell from DAY ONE!
Are you a ND hater or something? If your a Notre Dame hater than that is irrelevent!
I don’t give a crap about ND…but Clausen is a talent and I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up better than the stiff Bradford who can’t scan the field and who is always hurt. Clausen can scan the field better than Bradford……write that down.
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Whatever man. Doesn’t matter what I say. I’ll just mark you down for the “Anybody but Russell” camp.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Is the draft over yet?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
heres my patience with jajabba if i were the GM loose 25 more pounds and learn the playbook. a test will be given, if you dont get at least a 70% on the playbook your gone!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
The comeback against Tampa from 10 points down in the 4th is, in my opinion, the most impressive Raider victory in the last seven years.
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Guess you must have missed the game against the Steelers…
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:45 pm
Clausen can also sling it and is ACCURATE!
Imagine Clausen with a good running game behind him…
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Imagine any QB with a good running game behind him. Ever heard of Mark Sanchez? Give me a break!! Tell me this. If Clausen couldn’t be the savior at the college level, what the hell makes you think he can be here??
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Clausen is the same as Sanchez IMO.
USC wanted Clausen for a reason….
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That’s your basis for creamin your shorts over Clausen? Because USC wanted him?? Lol. In case you didn’t know, JR was one of the most highly recruited players in the country too. And this “learning the playbook” garbage is really getting tired. You’ve got no clue how much of the playbook he knows or doesn’t know.
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Creamin my shorts??? LOL
I’m just saying Clausen would be better than lazy Juggs Russell from DAY ONE!
Are you a ND hater or something? If your a Notre Dame hater than that is irrelevent!
I don’t give a crap about ND…but Clausen is a talent and I wouldn’t be surprised if he winds up better than the stiff Bradford who can’t scan the field and who is always hurt. Clausen can scan the field better than Bradford……write that down.
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Whatever man. Doesn’t matter what I say. I’ll just mark you down for the “Anybody but Russell” camp.
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Lets just say Juggs Russell has alot to PROVE before I assume anything positive with him and give him a free ride.
I defended him up for the four games of the season and after seeing play like total crap and be over weight and have that don’t give a crap attitude…I stopped defending him and stopped giving him a free pass.
No more free passes for that guy!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:33 pm
no more free passes for that piece of S.H.I.T!!!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:34 pm
The D-League Warriors are one scrappy little bunch!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
id say locker is faster than vince young and a better runner he just doesnt display it as much because hes a good passer as well.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
heres my patience with jajabba if i were the GM loose 25 more pounds and learn the playbook. a test will be given, if you dont get at least a 70% on the playbook your gone!
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Again, why do you bother with this playbook BS? I think JR knows 100% of the playbook today. How the hell do you know he doesn’t? Tell you this much. If we go into the season starting two rookie receivers and the same OL, it won’t matter how much of the playbook anyone knows.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
i bet if a basic test were given to him say 100 questions i bet that stupid ass could not pass!!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Why 70% ? Way to lower standards, why even bother?
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# 30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:30 pm
heres my patience with jajabba if i were the GM loose 25 more pounds and learn the playbook. a test will be given, if you dont get at least a 70% on the playbook your gone!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Debo, how can we have 2 rookie WR’s 2 years in a row? Murphy and DHB going somewhere?
If JaMeatball knows 50% right now today Id be shocked and surprised, so would Cable.
Yes it does matter unless you like 4-12’s
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# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Again, why do you bother with this playbook BS? I think JR knows 100% of the playbook today. How the hell do you know he doesn’t? Tell you this much. If we go into the season starting two rookie receivers and the same OL, it won’t matter how much of the playbook anyone knows.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
i was being generous
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Debo, do you have brain damage?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
100% comprhension of the playbook should be the MINIMUM standard.
If the QB has to think about the plays when the ball is snapped, then he’s a dead duck. He should be reading and re-acting to the defences, not trying to recall the play in his head.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
i bet if a basic test were given to him say 100 questions i bet that stupid ass could not pass!!!!
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What’s your basis for calling JR a stupid ass? You’re so full of it. You really think JR had the success at QB he’s had in HS and college JUST because he’s big with a strong arm? You’re not making any sense at all dude.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
So only Debo thinks JaMarshmallow knows the playbook..
Dont worry Debo tj will be here to keep you warm, be patient!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:27 pm
Is the draft over yet?
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It will be over after the dumb old man Al drafts Taylor Mays, Bruce Campbell, or Usain Bolt with that #8 pick! LOL!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:42 pm
enough is enough with this guy once we release him he will go back to his home in alabama and sit on his porch and stuff his fat face with jambalya fried catfish and red beans and rice all day long!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Where is KK? Let’s talk BO and insurance reform.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Mistabr0wn Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Debo, how can we have 2 rookie WR’s 2 years in a row? Murphy and DHB going somewhere?
If JaMeatball knows 50% right now today Id be shocked and surprised, so would Cable.
Yes it does matter unless you like 4-12’s
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My point is that last season was an impossible situation for any QB. Name another QB that entered the season with two rookies STARTING at WR. And one was DHB!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
Debo/Oakglen,
Have you heard JaMeatball speak into a microphone ? If you cant discern the guy is slow by the way he talks you just might be as slow as him.
FYI…in addition to being academically challenged his Football IQ is also suffering, sound familiar? Is that what your remedial teachers told you?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
i bet if a basic test were given to him say 100 questions i bet that stupid ass could not pass!!!!
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What’s your basis for calling JR a stupid ass? You’re so full of it. You really think JR had the success at QB he’s had in HS and college JUST because he’s big with a strong arm? You’re not making any sense at all dude.
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anyone that drives his car around with a santas hat on in march cant be the smartest monkey around. LOL
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
No more free passes and positive assumptions Debo, until Juggs Russell PROVES us wrong!
That’s just the way it has to be.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
Damn Insurance Reform!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm
were talking Jawalmart reform here guy
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:48 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:45 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
i bet if a basic test were given to him say 100 questions i bet that stupid ass could not pass!!!!
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What’s your basis for calling JR a stupid ass? You’re so full of it. You really think JR had the success at QB he’s had in HS and college JUST because he’s big with a strong arm? You’re not making any sense at all dude.
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anyone that drives his car around with a santas hat on in march cant be the smartest monkey around. LOL
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I’ve got it now. Chalk up another one for the “Anybody but Russell” camp. I guess you’ll be finding a new team when he turns it around next season, right?? Lol.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Russell, DMAC, Morrison, Gallery, Huff, Howard, etc…etc…
The franchise is to blame for all these busts. Face it…the Raiders are not good at developing talent…never have been to be honest.
Look at all the draft picks made in the last 10 years. How many winners that contribute? 2 kickers, Nnamdi and Zach Miller.
Scott and Branch could be winners since they do in fact start and are actual assets on the field.
So that’s 6 players in 10 years of drafting…two of which are kickers….
Give me a break.
Kell and MR are right on to place ALL the blame on Al Davis. You can’t win if you can’t develop talent….Raiders don’t develop talent
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:49 pm
Raider O
38 states are going to fight 0bama care, its unconstitutional. Nobody wants it but the left wing ding bats.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
No more free passes and positive assumptions Debo, until Juggs Russell PROVES us wrong!
That’s just the way it has to be.
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For you, not for me. I’m taking all the circumstances into account. There isn’t a QB in the the league that can work miracles.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
SnB,
If they can’t develop talent, then they have to draft players who are self motivated and driven to succeed.
Instead of pure physical specimens like DHB, they should select players who have a higher personal drive.
Rolando McLain seems to fit that bill in this year’s draft.
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
The franchise also doesn’t instill a culture of discipline and accoutability.
That’s why players go out and party before a preseason game.
No culture, no chemistry, no coaching authority.
Drafting the rawest of raw skilled players and putting them in an environment of lax standards, substandard coaching and palace intrigue.
That’s why they don’t win
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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Would that be a government job?
Or private industry?
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:58 pm
this blogs more interesting when people talk crap.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Fire the Monkey!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:01 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:56 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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Would that be a government job?
Or private industry?
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i guess youve heard that saying ” its good enough for government work”
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
SnB,
If they can’t develop talent, then they have to draft players who are self motivated and driven to succeed.
Instead of pure physical specimens like DHB, they should select players who have a higher personal drive.
Rolando McLain seems to fit that bill in this year’s draft.
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Exactly…but that’s not what Al Davis does. He drafts these uber skill position players and just tosses them out there with little coaching and a substandard scheme.
Davis should just draft limeman….specifically, guards and defensive tackles…..in the 1st round and draft his heroes in later rounds.
Probably the reason the mid to late round guys do well is because those kids are very hungry.
You are Trevor Scott drafted in the 6th round. You have to be self-motivated because you have no money yet plus the coaches have no pressure to put you on the field before you are ready.
If you are DHB, JaDavis, DMAC, Gallery….you get the big money and you are forced into the lineup, even in positions you don’t play….hence you struggle
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:02 pm
# Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:00 pm
Fire the Monkey!
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which monkey?????
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm
Im guessing either Russell or Cable.
or both
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:07 pm
All Of Them!!
LMAO
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Mistabrown, Raider O,
following politics is pointless.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Al Too!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 pm
al, when he fired kiff for cause said” jamarcus will be a great quarterback get over it!” LMAO
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:09 pm
SnB
#602, well said. That’s just the size of it. That can’t change until Al Davis steps aside.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
So Davis drafts all this raw talent and then surrounds them with substandard coaching….or multiple coaches with different philosophies on coaching.
Yet Davis can’t realize that guys like Brady, Manning or the Vikings D-Line play together under the same system/coaches for many multiples of years.
So far away from mediocre are the Raiders
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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1st of all, we’re not paying him sht. The Oakland Raiders are! Second of all, if I’m the boss and I don’t give my employees the tools they need to be successful, no way am I going to fire them. Especially if I’ve invested $40 million. JR gets a mulligan.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:12 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Again, why do you bother with this playbook BS? I think JR knows 100% of the playbook today. How the hell do you know he doesn’t? Tell you this much. If we go into the season starting two rookie receivers and the same OL, it won’t matter how much of the playbook anyone knows.
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LMAO..you ‘THINK’??? JR is going INTO his 4th year…and you can’t even state you KNOW or are POSITIVE that JaDuhhhh knows the whole playbook??
You stupidly defend JR, when after 3 FULL YEARS no one’s even sure if he knows what ALL OTHER FOOTBALL PLAYERS ARE REQUIRED TO LEARN DURING TRAINING CAMP??
Let me guess…you think “JR is a bonified NFL qb” don’t you?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:13 pm
Kell,
Yeah, I wonder what JaDavis looks like under the leadership of a guy like Belichick or Tomlin….maybe a guy like Payton….
Strong head coaches that are clearly in charge. Do you think the peer pressure of having to deal with a Ray Lewis would encourage a player to show up in shape…..
The Raiders are built like a fantasy football team or a team on the Madden Video Game. Just throw them out there and watch em play.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
SnB,
It is Pointless, and I’m sick of it!! Give me a free Market, no govt, no social responsibility, and let us compete!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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1st of all, we’re not paying him sht. The Oakland Raiders are! Second of all, if I’m the boss and I don’t give my employees the tools they need to be successful, no way am I going to fire them. Especially if I’ve invested $40 million. JR gets a mulligan.
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i bought a shirt to wear at the thanksgiving day game!!!! that went towards that fat – fukers pay check!!! so in essence i did pay part of jajabba salary!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:19 pm
KK,
I Would like to know your opinion on insurance reform, if you are interested.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:21 pm
anyone who knows anything about football anyone that has a clue about talent knows that JaBIGMAC has no desire to do anything but collect a paycheck every 2 weeks and eat fried catfish fried shrimp and fried crawdads every day for breakfast lunch and diner.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I still think JR can be a good QB in the NFL, if he improves his work ethic.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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1st of all, we’re not paying him sht. The Oakland Raiders are! Second of all, if I’m the boss and I don’t give my employees the tools they need to be successful, no way am I going to fire them. Especially if I’ve invested $40 million. JR gets a mulligan.
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i bought a shirt to wear at the thanksgiving day game!!!! that went towards that fat – fukers pay check!!! so in essence i did pay part of jajabba salary!!!
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Your choice. Nobody put a gun to your head and said buy a shirt. Keep your money in your pocket next time. By the way, shtty game that day, huh? There’s Grads playing great with “the same supporting cast as JR”. Lol!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Jerry your theory might be great except for one issue of which you have no freakin’ clue. Neither Bruce Allen nor Jon Gruden are good talent evaluators.
The truth is that team was poisoned from the inside out by Chester and some others who just didn’t want to perform for a variety of reason. No one was closer to that team than I was. They argued more then they played. Chester wanted more money other wanted playing time. And the truth be told they crapped all over Bugles head after begging Big Al to hire him. That’s why Mr Davis destroyed that roster and got rid of the cancers.
Bruce Allen has never been and will never be a great personnel guy he is strictly an administrator. Again you prove you just have no freakin’ idea what the hell you’re talking about which is why the people in here are just clones of your ignorance and lack of football intelligence.
Jerry you’ve proven you simply don’t knw the Raiders you don’t know MR Davis and you barely know the fans. You’re an idiot…………..period
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:24 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:21 pm
anyone who knows anything about football anyone that has a clue about talent knows that JaBIGMAC has no desire to do anything but collect a paycheck every 2 weeks and eat fried catfish fried shrimp and fried crawdads every day for breakfast lunch and diner.
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One thing is for sure. You don’t know sht about what his motivation is or what the guy eats. That is unless you’re in his inner circle. Are you?
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:25 pm
tj, we believe your an idiot as well.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Raider O
It’s not if he improves his work ethic has improved greatly and he’s starting get over the hump of his development. If he stays healthy you will see a completely different player from this point on………..period
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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1st of all, we’re not paying him sht. The Oakland Raiders are! Second of all, if I’m the boss and I don’t give my employees the tools they need to be successful, no way am I going to fire them. Especially if I’ve invested $40 million. JR gets a mulligan.
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i bought a shirt to wear at the thanksgiving day game!!!! that went towards that fat – fukers pay check!!! so in essence i did pay part of jajabba salary!!!
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our choice. Nobody put a gun to your head and said buy a shirt. Keep your money in your pocket next time. By the way, shtty game that day, huh? There’s Grads playing great with “the same supporting cast as JR”. Lol!
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Grads wasnt playn defense debo!!! there were about 5 or 6 plays in that game that went at least 40 yards. all up the gut too!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Priesttj,
Everything that Al Davis does does not glimmer like gold.
You always make it sound like things HAPPEN TO Davis as opposed to Davis making things happen.
He put that 1997 roster together. He did that. Davis has always undervalued chemistry and all that…so is it a surprise that the players “crapped all over Bugel’s head” as you put it….or were in it for the money.
Davis has made so many serious mistakes over the last 8 years as has been pointed out repeatedly by bloggers and media alike.
What people want to see is Davis make good decisions that move the team forward…and yes, we know he’s trying…but a lot of people try that fail…unfortunately for us, but not him, he has 100% authority to do what he wishes.
Let’s hope he makes better decisions like stripping Cable of playcalling and hiring Jackson…let’s start with drafting football players ready to play in the 1st round
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 pm
# Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I still think JR can be a good QB in the NFL, if he improves his work ethic.
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work ethic???? wow you actually think he knows what those 2 words mean??? LMAO wow im gonna fire you raider o if you ever say that again you lil monkey
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:32 pm
LMAO..you can always count on TJ for a nightly “head gasket” blowing.
TJ…you’ll excuse most if you’re just viewed as the village idiot, won’t you?
Dude…YOU STATED YOU KNEW ALL ALONG JR WAS JUICED UP..that you had your “boys” following him, and reporting back to you that he WAS, IN FACT, JUICED UP..
Except it was a joke…all made up….YET YOU STILL RAN THE “oh, hey, I knew it all along”.
No one believes you because you’re basically a fool, TJ.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 pm
SnB,
You just don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. He struggled his second year of starting a lot of QB’s do the kids entirs career is ahead of him. He’s made several mistakes which is normal. Now he needs to bring his game to the next level. So we’ll see…
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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1st of all, we’re not paying him sht. The Oakland Raiders are! Second of all, if I’m the boss and I don’t give my employees the tools they need to be successful, no way am I going to fire them. Especially if I’ve invested $40 million. JR gets a mulligan.
”””””””””””””””””””””””””””
i bought a shirt to wear at the thanksgiving day game!!!! that went towards that fat – fukers pay check!!! so in essence i did pay part of jajabba salary!!!
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our choice. Nobody put a gun to your head and said buy a shirt. Keep your money in your pocket next time. By the way, shtty game that day, huh? There’s Grads playing great with “the same supporting cast as JR”. Lol!
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Grads wasnt playn defense debo!!! there were about 5 or 6 plays in that game that went at least 40 yards. all up the gut too!!!
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Are you fcking kidding me??? You’re giving Grads a pass because of the defense???? What a joke! So the defense played lights out in all of JR’s starts?? To be honest with you, other than some big plays the defense played pretty well on Thanksgiving. We only gave up 24 points. How the hell were we supposed to win when we scored SEVEN points??? You have no clue what your talking about. Just admit you hate Russell and let’s be done with it already. LOL!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I still think JR can be a good QB in the NFL, if he improves his work ethic.
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That’s the problem.
Work ethic is something that is acquired over a lifetime. It is not something that can be switched on or off. JaMarcus would have an easier time defeating depression or a brain tumour than he would developing a strong work ethic.
It is a personality trait rather than a state of mind.
There’s no quick motivational trick for JaMarcus to change his mindset around. No Tony Robbins speech that will do it.
At best, he must face a life changing event that will force to re-examine his life and his choices. But I doubt that will happen.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:36 pm
I was hoping Toby Gerhardt would go underrated until the draft but he’s rizing now unfortunately. I was hoping we could steal him in the 3rd.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
SnB,
It is Pointless, and I’m sick of it!! Give me a free Market, no govt, no social responsibility, and let us compete!
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Raider O,
The great thing about having 180+ nations..is that there is always somewhere that is trying a different model of gov’t. I think the scenario you painted would be akin to a sub-saharan African country where there is no govenment, every man, women and sadly child for themselves and ruthless competition (don’t like a rival…simply kill him).
Then again, you have the nanny states of Western Europe with high taxes and no growth and the Capitalist Dictatorship of China.
Examples abound….I just hope our so-called leaders take that into consideration whn they make their decisons.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:38 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:34 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:27 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:16 pm
# RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:11 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:55 pm
DEBO im a 30 year raider… i mean why find a new team now??? i dont know another team i only know silver and black bro thats it!!! we are paying this moron alot of money… he is not producing!! if you were the boss and someone does not produce at their job after 3 years what would you do????
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1st of all, we’re not paying him sht. The Oakland Raiders are! Second of all, if I’m the boss and I don’t give my employees the tools they need to be successful, no way am I going to fire them. Especially if I’ve invested $40 million. JR gets a mulligan.
”””””””””””””””””””””””””””
i bought a shirt to wear at the thanksgiving day game!!!! that went towards that fat – fukers pay check!!! so in essence i did pay part of jajabba salary!!!
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our choice. Nobody put a gun to your head and said buy a shirt. Keep your money in your pocket next time. By the way, shtty game that day, huh? There’s Grads playing great with “the same supporting cast as JR”. Lol!
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Grads wasnt playn defense debo!!! there were about 5 or 6 plays in that game that went at least 40 yards. all up the gut too!!!
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Are you fcking kidding me??? You’re giving Grads a pass because of the defense???? What a joke! So the defense played lights out in all of JR’s starts?? To be honest with you, other than some big plays the defense played pretty well on Thanksgiving. We only gave up 24 points. How the hell were we supposed to win when we scored SEVEN points??? You have no clue what your talking about. Just admit you hate Russell and let’s be done with it already. LOL!!
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your right i hate that fat fuk!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:37 pm
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 pm
SnB,
It is Pointless, and I’m sick of it!! Give me a free Market, no govt, no social responsibility, and let us compete!
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Raider O,
The great thing about having 180+ nations..is that there is always somewhere that is trying a different model of gov’t. I think the scenario you painted would be akin to a sub-saharan African country where there is no govenment, every man, women and sadly child for themselves and ruthless competition (don’t like a rival…simply kill him).
Then again, you have the nanny states of Western Europe with high taxes and no growth and the Capitalist Dictatorship of China.
Examples abound….I just hope our so-called leaders take that into consideration whn they make their decisons.
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How about a limited democracy where everyone must pass a written test in order to vote. And if they fail, they get an electrical shock.
I’d go for that.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 pm
priesttj Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:33 pm
SnB,
You just don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. He struggled his second year of starting a lot of QB’s do the kids entirs career is ahead of him. He’s made several mistakes which is normal. Now he needs to bring his game to the next level. So we’ll see…
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Perhaps I don’t know what I am talking about. I mean, this 8 year stretch is just normal operating procedure….whatever boss.
Look, no one has a problem with Russell struggling…most young QBs struggle. MOST OF US REALIZE THAT.
But people don’t like hearing that a QB isn’t putting in the work, not showing up in shape and all that.
But maybe that’s normal too. Showing up out of shape, not mastering the playbook etc….
I just want to win. I could care less about Al Davis
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I still think JR can be a good QB in the NFL, if he improves his work ethic.
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That’s the problem.
Work ethic is something that is acquired over a lifetime. It is not something that can be switched on or off. JaMarcus would have an easier time defeating depression or a brain tumour than he would developing a strong work ethic.
It is a personality trait rather than a state of mind.
There’s no quick motivational trick for JaMarcus to change his mindset around. No Tony Robbins speech that will do it.
At best, he must face a life changing event that will force to re-examine his life and his choices. But I doubt that will happen.
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you put that so elloquintly!! lol
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
BHP,
I hope you are right.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:43 pm
SnB,
I know he put that roster together and every roster that’s been put together was done by him. I was ripping Jerry for saying Gruden and Allen came and changed things when I know better. Because I was there, Chester MCGlockton is my cousin and I sepnt a lot of time with him and Tim Brown I used to sit in their Sky box. And go to post game meals with them.
I remem ber when all the players went up to Mr Davis begging him to hire Joe Bugle when he did the flat quit on him. There was a ton of talent but they wouldn’t play together. Draft status was immaterial they were a team of quitters…………..period
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm
lets look at it this way if jr never makes it as a qb he could have a helluva career as a sumo wrestler
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
# NorthernD Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:35 pm
Raider O Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:22 pm
I still think JR can be a good QB in the NFL, if he improves his work ethic.
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That’s the problem.
Work ethic is something that is acquired over a lifetime. It is not something that can be switched on or off. JaMarcus would have an easier time defeating depression or a brain tumour than he would developing a strong work ethic.
It is a personality trait rather than a state of mind.
There’s no quick motivational trick for JaMarcus to change his mindset around. No Tony Robbins speech that will do it.
At best, he must face a life changing event that will force to re-examine his life and his choices. But I doubt that will happen.
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you put that so elloquintly!! lol
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Just a different way of calling him a fat lazy f*ck.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Northern D,
Any democracy is only as good as the citizens in it. If the citizens are educated and engaged and understand the issues and appreciate real debate…it can flourish.
If people don’t think and disagreements exist just to disagree…its a horribly inefficient system.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Please, please stop with the calls for Bruce Gradkowski.
What happens when the film study catches up to him like it has everywhere else he’s been? then we are stuck
Its Russell or Bust folks. You have to hope Russell gets it.
Guys like Gradkowski get you 6 or 7 wins max…like a Jon Kitna or Shaun King…
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
LMAO NorthernD
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
No more free passes and positive assumptions Debo, until Juggs Russell PROVES us wrong!
That’s just the way it has to be.
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For you, not for me. I’m taking all the circumstances into account. There isn’t a QB in the the league that can work miracles.
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What circumstances??
Wow…your the type of person that gives free passes huh?
Damn, I hope your not a coach or something. If you were a coach of my kids baseball, football, or basketball teams….I would try like heck to get my kid off that team.
Al Davis loves giving free passes and that is one of the MANY reasons why the Raiders have sucked for almost a decade.
NO MORE FREE PASSES FOR JUGGS over here!
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:54 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Please, please stop with the calls for Bruce Gradkowski.
What happens when the film study catches up to him like it has everywhere else he’s been? then we are stuck
Its Russell or Bust folks. You have to hope Russell gets it.
Guys like Gradkowski get you 6 or 7 wins max…like a Jon Kitna or Shaun King…
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Like Kitna or King? Sht man, don’t give him that much credit. I wouldn’t even put him on the same level as Donald Hollas at this point.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:55 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Please, please stop with the calls for Bruce Gradkowski.
What happens when the film study catches up to him like it has everywhere else he’s been? then we are stuck
Its Russell or Bust folks. You have to hope Russell gets it.
Guys like Gradkowski get you 6 or 7 wins max…like a Jon Kitna or Shaun King…
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didnt know you can look into the crystal ball like that !!! poof its jabustus or nothing!!! tell me oh great wizard who will we pick at #8
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm
SnB,
I understand what you are saying, the Govt is doing a great job in some areas, but NOT in business.
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:59 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
If people don’t think and disagreements exist just to disagree…its a horribly inefficient system.
Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Hey, that’s the Raiders!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
No more free passes and positive assumptions Debo, until Juggs Russell PROVES us wrong!
That’s just the way it has to be.
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For you, not for me. I’m taking all the circumstances into account. There isn’t a QB in the the league that can work miracles.
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What circumstances??
Wow…your the type of person that gives free passes huh?
Damn, I hope your not a coach or something. If you were a coach of my kids baseball, football, or basketball teams….I would try like heck to get my kid off that team.
Al Davis loves giving free passes and that is one of the MANY reasons why the Raiders have sucked for almost a decade.
NO MORE FREE PASSES FOR JUGGS over here!
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Oh, I see. So you’d be happy if I spent every practice coming up with a new derogatory nickname for your kid and basically telling him he’ll never amount to anything even though he’s shown promise. I should give up on him because he hasn’t met the fans’ expectations because he had a bad streach of games with an inferior supporting cast. If that’s not giving a free pass, I’ll give them all day long. And I think I can say with all certainty that almost any parent would love for me to coach his/her kids.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:02 pm
later losers!!!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Just look around the league. QBs like Gradkowski don’t take their teams anywhere for a sustainable time period. You need QBs that can chuck the ball down the field AND work hard.
Gradkowski has some limitations that allowed him to be cut by two terrible teams and not even make it to camp for the RAMS!
I’ve seen guys like Gradkowski flash for a game or two…guys like Shaun Hill, JT O’Sullivan, Jon Kitna, Jake Plummer, Frank Reich…etc…etc…you will be disappointed investing 5 years in a guy like Gradkowski..I think Davis realizes this.
So, you got to go with Russell this year….if you don’t think JaDavis is the guy..YOU HAVE TO DRAFT SOMEONE!
Let’s not waste time with Don Hollas II
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
No more free passes and positive assumptions Debo, until Juggs Russell PROVES us wrong!
That’s just the way it has to be.
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For you, not for me. I’m taking all the circumstances into account. There isn’t a QB in the the league that can work miracles.
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What circumstances??
Wow…your the type of person that gives free passes huh?
Damn, I hope your not a coach or something. If you were a coach of my kids baseball, football, or basketball teams….I would try like heck to get my kid off that team.
Al Davis loves giving free passes and that is one of the MANY reasons why the Raiders have sucked for almost a decade.
NO MORE FREE PASSES FOR JUGGS over here!
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Oh, I see. So you’d be happy if I spent every practice coming up with a new derogatory nickname for your kid and basically telling him he’ll never amount to anything even though he’s shown promise. I should give up on him because he hasn’t met the fans’ expectations because he had a bad streach of games with an inferior supporting cast. If that’s not giving a free pass, I’ll give them all day long. And I think I can say with all certainty that almost any parent would love for me to coach his/her kids.
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Yeahh!! Thats it….scream and cuss and those kids if they don’t listen to you and call them LOSERS!
Yeah….that will teach them to be better players! LOL
Your funny man…..giving Juggs Russell a free pass and not discipling him are futile mistakes.
The guy is making a crap load of money and hasn’t proven a damn thing in 3 years and but according to you that’s okay though??
Al Davis loves giving free passes and that is why the team has sucked for the past 7 years.
Your boy Juggs Russell has ALOT to PROVE to ALOT of people! He has a loooooong way to go….
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Hoping for JaMarcus is kinda like dating a stripper. When you first see them, they look good in a uniform, and perform well under the lights, so you figure they’ll be a good catch in a couple of years.
You hope they’ll smarten up and change their ways, and become quality, hard working people.
But times goes by, they’re still F’in up their lives, still doing bonehead things and generally driving you mad, ’cause you think they’ll get better but they don’t.
Instead, a couple years go by, their beauty fades, and you realize that you just wasted two years on a worthless piece of humanity that will never amount to anything.
You kick yourself over it, but then move onto a quality woman who doesn’t require much work at all, and your life seems so much easier.
( I had old buddies that dated peelers.)
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:14 pm
Your funny man…..giving Juggs Russell a free pass and not discipling him are futile mistakes.
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Last I checked, the guy got benched didn’t he? Didn’t he get fined for reporting overweight? Get your facts straight dude!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 pm
debo dont bother arguing with these idiots. they just come on here and say racist comments or make up sh!t they dont know. nobody made references to trailer parks or white trash when gallerys’ tattoo wearin azz was suckin it up. then these punk fukks wanna scream theres no racism. theyve been doin this since we drafted him and it wont change. btw how tough are these clowns talkin sh!t about him on a blog? dont worry tho theyll be back to rip on the next guy they dont like. theyve already turned on dmc after 2 years of misuse.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 pm
Northen D,
Anyone But Russell is not the right way to approach this.
Raiders would have to draft a new QB or get one in free agency.
Gradkowski ceiling is low. And there is no reason to suggest giving the keys of the franchise to a guy that played in 2 or 3 gms….so many teams have wasted time with those types of QBs only to be disappointed.
Look at the 49ers. They tried Shaun Hill and JT O’Sullivan…and guess what…when the film caught up with those two….Alex Smith was back in the lineup.
Gradkowski is in that class. The Raiders are trying to win in the playooffs someday…Gradkowski isn’t the guy to get them there.
Again, if not Russell…then they better draft somebody
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:23 pm
NorthernD,
That’s pretty goofy. That’s more like a rich man marrying a striper without a prenupt.
The research was done on Russell as thorough as is possible to compare him to a striper is not only stupid but foolish and uninformed. Russell record as an athlete was sterling it may not have cpome with great blood lines like the Mannings but his work ethic and competitiveness was never a question during the his career prior to the draft now if you know different enlighten us.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 pm
armond Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 pm
debo dont bother arguing with these idiots. they just come on here and say racist comments or make up sh!t they dont know. nobody made references to trailer parks or white trash when gallerys’ tattoo wearin azz was suckin it up. then these punk fukks wanna scream theres no racism. theyve been doin this since we drafted him and it wont change. btw how tough are these clowns talkin sh!t about him on a blog? dont worry tho theyll be back to rip on the next guy they dont like. theyve already turned on dmc after 2 years of misuse.
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I hear ya man. I take it you saw those comments by 30-year old a few posts ago. Sad, isn’t it?? Couldn’t help taking shutting his ass down though. I’m really hoping Clausen drops to us so that we can find a trade partner and move down. What do you thik?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 pm
I have no hope for Jamarcus.There is nothing he has SAID or done to prove otherwise.He struck the jackpot by being the first choice overall and getting millions of dollars and that is all he wanted.He could care less about his legacy as a player.There is nothing he has done to prove otherwise NOTHING.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Alameda_Lee Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 pm
I have no hope for Jamarcus.There is nothing he has SAID or done to prove otherwise.He struck the jackpot by being the first choice overall and getting millions of dollars and that is all he wanted.He could care less about his legacy as a player.There is nothing he has done to prove otherwise NOTHING.
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There’s a million things wrong with this argument, but I’ll just pick one. Why would he strike the jackpot once when he can strike it two or three times?? That was just his rookie contract. If it’s all about money, wouldn’t it make sense to try and hit the jackpot again? By the way, I don’t believe for a minute there’s one player in the league who would play for free.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 pm
JaDavis struggles has as much to do with Chaz Schilens going down than anything.
Prior to that, most of the reports were generally positive.
Then you throw the receiver known as DHB, that K.C game was the exclamation point on that draft pick
True, JaDavis was out of shape and did somethings…but with Schilens in there…I think the team gets off to a 2-0 start…and that could change things.
Of course, if JaDavis is lazy, doesn’t learn the playbook and comes in out of shape..they should cut him…but till then…let’s see what happens with a full-up offense with Michael Bush and Chaz Schilens on the field with Zach Miller fulltime.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
debo id like to drop down also and get a few more picks. i like b.graham alot to play de and move sey inside. i believe that 1 move makes 2 by improving our run d and qb pressure outside/in. we need to get more than 4 sacks from the outside and i know sey can do better than kelly rushing and run stuffing. i have no problem takin ot if its t williams or even charles brown lower in the 1rst. im hopin somebody panics and gives us a ton 2 make al davis trade down.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Debo,
As if no other player has ever been paid Million$ but the should’ve have given it to that nigga. That’s what they alll really want to say.
They say he hasn’t done NOTHING, when after his 1st year as a starter the NFL rated him as a top 25 player he’s on the front of Profootball Weekly as one of the next up and comers. He has a bad soph season now he hasn’t done NOTHING!!
Truth be told the just don’t like him because he doesn’t look like them…………period
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:41 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 pm
JaDavis struggles has as much to do with Chaz Schilens going down than anything.
Prior to that, most of the reports were generally positive.
Then you throw the receiver known as DHB, that K.C game was the exclamation point on that draft pick
True, JaDavis was out of shape and did somethings…but with Schilens in there…I think the team gets off to a 2-0 start…and that could change things.
Of course, if JaDavis is lazy, doesn’t learn the playbook and comes in out of shape..they should cut him…but till then…let’s see what happens with a full-up offense with Michael Bush and Chaz Schilens on the field with Zach Miller fulltime.
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That’s all I’ve been saying. It’s just hard for me to believe that we would go into the season so thin at WR. I was worried about it when Chaz was healthy. But two rookies??? And everyone knew DHB was raw. JR didn’t have a chance. To be honest with you, I’m still worried about our WRs. We’ve got to add someone. I honestly would be fine if we drafted Dez Bryant.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:42 pm
well it aint much but atleast we acquired another 7th rnd pick. gives me a reason to watch the final round now i guess.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Wow, Random Drug Tester. A little angry tonight, bud? Yeh, I have said the same thing several times over. And, you haven’t had an answer to it several times over, either. I guess everyone has their own unique way of saying, “you’re right, and I dont have an argument to refute it”.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:44 pm
Clausen *could* do more than Russell, but he wouldn’t. No first round QB is going to come to Oakland other than to collect a check. Most would demand a trade, and I’m guessing that’s what Clausen would do. Russell and his agent had other plans. They decided to take the old man to the cleaners and get a payday.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:45 pm
priesttj Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Debo,
As if no other player has ever been paid Million$ but the should’ve have given it to that nigga. That’s what they alll really want to say.
They say he hasn’t done NOTHING, when after his 1st year as a starter the NFL rated him as a top 25 player he’s on the front of Profootball Weekly as one of the next up and comers. He has a bad soph season now he hasn’t done NOTHING!!
Truth be told the just don’t like him because he doesn’t look like them…………period
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Tonight convinced me there are a lot of guys like this on the site. It’s one of the biggest reasons I want to see JR succeed. All you have to do is debate a guy like 30-year-old for a while and he’ll show his true colors. Annoys the hell out of me.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:46 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
The same kind of hype we heard about Quinn in 07′
Smart
Hard worker
Competitive
blaah blah blah.
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Exactly. And they accuse us of repeating ourselves?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:47 pm
30 year fan, The Raiders have a lot of “worst things in history” going for them right now, the QB is just one of them.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Armond,
We’ll see what happens. Is there an OT worth taking at no. 8 if it’s not Okung? Are we trying to get an LT or someone to start at RT? I just hope we don’t reach for a tackle at that spot.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:49 pm
Raider O, let’s talk Obamacare. If they hadn’t passed it, you’d be in here talking about how Obama can’t get anything done, can’t even get Dems to vote with him, can’t change anything, ineffective. Things went the other way, didn’t they? I think this health care plan is going to be good for you in the long run. But as far as your Obama hating goes? Enjoy the crow pie.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Michael Bush will give this team a more potent running attack now that we don’t have to worry about sharing carries with Justin Fargas…..with the 2 back system..the guy in the groove can take over a game…I am hoping we see a running game like the K.c game two yrs ago where DMAC scorched the defense outside and Bush grabbed yards up the middle.
Schilens full-time, hopefully, will help. Big body on the outside that can actually run a route and catch the ball. Murphy with another year and you know he’s busting his backside to get better…..JLH hopefully is back to his form two yrs ago…as for DHB…just hope he stays out of the way.
Offense will be better with those guys working together under a competent O-Coordinator…Hopefully a rededicated Russell will build on what he did at the end of 2008.
Better playcalling, better running game, Miller, Schilens, Murphy and JLH should be an improvement.
Tell Tom Cable to stay the heck away!
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Debo,
I learned a long time ago never ask someone what type of person they are because they will lie every time. Just engage them in some lively conversation and they will demonstrate who they really are.
“Out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks”. It’s a trueism that I live by.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:54 pm
MistaBrown, study the constitution, would ya? You can look it up online. And tell me where it says our representatives can’t pass a bill like this?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:56 pm
priesttj Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Debo,
As if no other player has ever been paid Million$ but the should’ve have given it to that nigga. That’s what they alll really want to say.
They say he hasn’t done NOTHING, when after his 1st year as a starter the NFL rated him as a top 25 player he’s on the front of Profootball Weekly as one of the next up and comers. He has a bad soph season now he hasn’t done NOTHING!!
Truth be told the just don’t like him because he doesn’t look like them…………period
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For sure. What cracks me up is that some of these guys can only point to JR’s perceived lack of work ethic or “low football IQ” as the reason he struggled. Why did Trent Edwards or Brady Quinn struggle? How about Jake Dellhomme? Never heard a word about work ethic or intelligence.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Richochet, I still want to know what the mods did to punish me?
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Russell has to get on a real team, real offensive line, real offensive gameplan, real organizational cohesiveness and environment, before he can be called a bust. As it stands, he plays for an organization that’s a bust.
March 22nd, 2010 at 11:59 pm
So priesttj,
You managed to call me goofy, stupid, foolish and uninformed in the span of a few sentences…
and yet, “Out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks”.
You need to look in the mirror.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 am
Priesttj, it has NOTHING to do with race.Jamarcus does not have that fire in the Belly to be succesful.I honestly believe that he got his Millions took care of HIMSELF and the Family and hoped his TALENT would make him succesful.I honestly believe he thinks of himself as a Star already and is OK with that.
Priest and Debo is there anything else out there to show that he Cares about being a adequate QB.I agree DEBO why not try and hit the jackpot 2-3 times BUT do you think Jamarcus cares about the next contract???
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 am
Alameda_Lee,
He made his money.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 am
debo i have no idea what we will do. i think alot depends on morrison. i have a feeling mcclain is as much in play as other guys. i will say that ive been one of a few that feels de is a bigger need than most and it seems as if the organization may feel the same way. another thing is the team isnt as talentless as most would have u believe. there are holes but it has more to do with structure. playcalling situational offense/defense and established roles. if u get a couple of guys who can move guys into a more natural position it will help us much more than trying to get a whole new team.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:07 am
It has more to do with race than people think. If it’s true that Al Davis doesn’t like black players from Notre Dame, I could only gather that he doesn’t like smart black people. The beautiful irony in all of this is that a not so smart black guy from Alabama outsmarted him and his wallet, regardless.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:11 am
Alameda_Lee Says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 am
Priesttj, it has NOTHING to do with race.Jamarcus does not have that fire in the Belly to be succesful.I honestly believe that he got his Millions took care of HIMSELF and the Family and hoped his TALENT would make him succesful.I honestly believe he thinks of himself as a Star already and is OK with that.
Priest and Debo is there anything else out there to show that he Cares about being a adequate QB.I agree DEBO why not try and hit the jackpot 2-3 times BUT do you think Jamarcus cares about the next contract???@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
Read some of the previous posts and tell me it’s not about race. Not saying you feel that way, but SOME of the guys on this board do. I don’t believe for a minute that JR doesn’t have the fire in his belly to be successful. His demeanor is consistent with what he showed in college where he was 1st-team All-SEC and EARNED the opportunity to be picked #1. If he was just there for the paycheck, what motivated him to bring us back from 10 points down in the 4th against Tampa in the last game of the season when we weren’t going to the playoffs? What motivated him to pull out the Denver game when we were eliminated from playoff contention? Why did he go to Arizona to drop weight? Why bother to show up for offseason workouts? The guy wants to be good. I believe last year was a fluke.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 am
You guys might not see color, but Al Davis sure as hell does. He doesn’t go 3 months without releasing some kind of press statement boasting of his minority hiring. You’re supposed to tell me his incessant need to prove that he’s a crusader for black NFL players didn’t play a role in him drafting Russell?
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:19 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 am
You guys might not see color, but Al Davis sure as hell does. He doesn’t go 3 months without releasing some kind of press statement boasting of his minority hiring. You’re supposed to tell me his incessant need to prove that he’s a crusader for black NFL players didn’t play a role in him drafting Russell
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That’s exactly what I’m telling you. I heard Phil Savage on Sirus NFL say that JR wouldn’t have made it past the Browns at no. 3 that year. And I highly doubt Detroit would have passed him up at no. 2. He was considered the top QB in the draft and a consensus top-5 pick.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:21 am
Organizational discipline folks.
No one in that organization can teach these kids what it means to be a pro
They went out partying before a preseason game.
Davis neuters his coaches and there is a lack of discipline.
Imagine Ray Lewis in a conversation with Russell after coming in overweight? It wouldn’t happen
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:25 am
NorthernD,
I never said that you in particular were stupid foolish and uninformed. I meaant your assesment of the Raiders drafting Russell and comparing it dating a striper was stupid foolish and uninformed. I don’t even know you personally. But that analogy was ignorant………period
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:26 am
SnB,
do you know that for a fact or are you just drooling at the mouth again.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 am
Debo, I did’nt say he was not competitive I said I think he does’nt care about being successful.This are 2 different situations in the Heat of the Battle and playing and doing all you can to win.There is also the preparation it takes to be successful in the NFL and I do not think Jamarcus gets that or ever will. Jamarcus has done nothing to prove that he cares about being a succesful QB in the NFL.If you or anyone else out there thinks he has please tell me.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:44 am
DKnight007 Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
30 year raider Says:
March 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
I doubt Clausen would do much more than Russell to be a good QB here. Any 1st round QB here either demands to get traded, or collects a check like Russell.
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Clausen could do more than Jawalmart with a blindfold on and both hands tied behind his back!!!!
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Yep….easily!
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A great scouting report on Clausen from Pro Fottball Weekly:
2. QB Jimmy Clausen
Notre Dame junior
Ht: 6-2 5/8 | Wt: 222 | Sp: 4.85e | Arm: 30 3/4 | Hand: 9
Notes: Older brothers, Casey and Rick, both played quarterback at Tennessee earlier in the decade. Was a three-year starter at California small-school prep power Oaks Christian, where he had a 42-0 record as a starter. Passed for 10,764 yards and a state-record 146 TDs. Underwent arthroscopic surgery in the spring of ’07 to remove a bone spur from his right (throwing) elbow. Was cited in June ’07 for illegal transportation of alcohol in South Bend – drove someone of legal age to a liquor store. Ultimately completed a pre-trial diversion program that erased the citation after staying out of trouble for 12 months. Started 9-of-10 games played in ’07, completing 138-of-245 pass attempts (56.3 percent) for 1,254 yards with seven touchdowns and six interceptions while taking his lumps behind an offensive line that allowed 58 sacks. Did not play against USC or Navy (coach’s decision). In ’08, started all 13 games and passed 268-440-3,172-25-17 (60.9). Started all 12 games in ’09, throwing for 289-425-3,722-28-4 (68.0). Set a school record with seven games of more than 300 yards passing in a season and also led four fourth-quarter comeback victories. Received a black eye after getting punched by an irate fan outside a bar at 2 a.m. after the loss to Connecticut on Nov. 21, 2009. Had surgery in January 2010 to repair tendon damage in his right toe, which he suffered while being sacked against Michigan State and played through much of the season. Will be a 23-year-old rookie despite leaving a year early and never redshirting – began kindergarten at age 6 and repeated sixth grade, as per his parents’ wishes. Team captain.
Positives: Fluid in his drops. Good field vision and QB instincts. Recognizes mismatches and understands where and when to go with the ball. Has shown he will hang in the pocket and pick himself off the ground after taking big hits behind a very marginal O-line. Good touch and overall accuracy. Has played under center in a pro-style offense, is very well-coached and makes decisive, pro-style reads. Carries the ball high on the shelf and picks apart defenses when given time. Can manipulate defenders and move safeties with his eyes. Learned how to rotate his hips into his throws. Can drive the deep out and can sling it into tight windows – can hit the deep outs, comebacks and posts and make all the throws. Angry competitor – plays with gusto. Has shown a lot of magic on big stages and thrived in high-pressure situations. Carries a swagger and has a very confident demeanor when the game is on the line – wants the ball in his hands in the clutch and will recommend plays. Good on-field energy and bounce in his step. Battles through injuries – took pain-killing injections in his foot to play most of the season. Improved work ethic. The game is very important to him, and he showed an improved on-field command as a junior. Very experienced.
Negatives: Too manufactured – has a high-effort delivery. Tends to hop in the pocket and is not much of a scrambling threat – can be flustered by the rush and takes too many sacks. Has a tendency to overstride when he goes deep, lowering his release point, and has to put his entire body into the throw and chuck it like it’s a javelin. Puts too much air underneath the deep ball and launches some rainmakers. Inconsistent deep accuracy – was 0-for-7 throwing to his deep right in five games charted the past two years. Has an awkward follow-through and too often falls backward after he throws. Had a strong supporting cast with receivers who attacked the ball. Has a sense of entitlement, having attended private schools, worked with private QB coaches and being sheltered by his family, who bought a house on campus so his brothers had a place to stay for every game. Arrogant – can come off as having all the answers and struggle to win a locker room. Still immature. Comes across as overly staged, scripted and disingenuous in interviews and does not have the type of presence desired in the face of a franchise. Is not a fan of the weight room.
Summary: A tough, instinctive, competitive gamer who overhauled his mechanics from the time he was a freshman, physically matured and developed into a decisive marksman. Has been groomed by Charlie Weis and has an advanced understanding of the game that will allow him to step into a starting lineup readily. However, he is cut from a similar cloth as Rex Grossman(notes) and J.P. Losman(notes), possessing an elitist attitude and selfishness that could polarize a locker room and create needless drama that may detract from a team. The defining question of his career is whether he possesses the intangibles and make-up to become a leader and win the respect of his teammates.
NFL projection: First-round pick.
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:49 am
Alameda_Lee Says:
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 am
Debo, I did’nt say he was not competitive I said I think he does’nt care about being successful.This are 2 different situations in the Heat of the Battle and playing and doing all you can to win.There is also the preparation it takes to be successful in the NFL and I do not think Jamarcus gets that or ever will. Jamarcus has done nothing to prove that he cares about being a succesful QB in the NFL.If you or anyone else out there thinks he has please tell me.
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Dude, forget the game situations if you want to. If he doesn’t care about being successful, why go to Arizona to train? Why show up or team weight training and conditioning? Explain that.
March 23rd, 2010 at 1:08 am
priesttj,
I guess further explanation is required.
The ananlogy to a stripper is to show that in spite of JaMarcus’s physical prowess, he continues to make mental mistakes, and cause doubts that he will ever “get it.”
The same would apply to strippers, who despite their good looks (sometimes), they usually end up on the wrong side of the tracks.
And in both cases, it seems easy enough to talk sense into them, but they never learn. They never seem to figure things out enough to realize their full potential.
Is that a fair explantation of my analogy, or was I just being “ignorant?”
And the bible quote? To paraphrase, people’s words reflect what’s in their hearts? You sure like attacking other people. You need to look at that.
March 23rd, 2010 at 5:11 am
Morning Nation!
from Dwhites TwitterGood morning from Orlando, where I’m covering the NFL owner’s meeting. On deck: Raiders coach Tom Cable at 7:15 a.m. Eastern time.
Cable says Kamerion Wimbley will play OLB, not DE, at strongside.
Team will kick tires on some free agent RTs, consider them in draft. Obvious position of need.
Won’t give JaMarcus’ weight, but says he’s doing what they ask and looks forward to QB competition.
On Hue Jackson’s role: “Score points.” And JaMarcus hasn’t tinkered with throwing motion.
Khalif Barnes would start at RT if season was today, Matt Shaughnessy at RDE.
Cable on uncertain status in January: “I felt bad for that TV lady who had to stand in the rain at the gate.”
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Jerry come on man! I know its only five but rise and grind!
March 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 am
Man o man, with JaMarginal at QB and McFumble at tailback and “Ole!” Barnes at RT, what possibly could go wrong?
At least we can all look forward to The Kamerion Wimbley Era. Yay.
Raider On.
March 23rd, 2010 at 5:49 am
True, Khalif means something completely different in Arabic, but it definitely translates to “Ole!” in North America.
draft O-line in ‘010!
March 23rd, 2010 at 5:51 am
I would like to be the first to welcome Eric Berry to our franchise.
March 23rd, 2010 at 9:16 pm
THE RAIDERS SHOULD GIVE UP THEIR FIRST ROUND PICK TO MIAMI AND SIGN RONNIE BROWN ,THEN SIGN FREE AGENT ADAM PACMAN JONES WHICH ALSO WILL GIVE THEM A KICK RETURNER,THEN TRADE ASOUGHMWA TO MIAMI FOR THEIR FIRST AND FOURTH ROUND PICKS