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The first-round myth

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, March 21st, 2010 at 9:16 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The company line coming from the Raiders trade for linebacker Kamerion Wimbley was that it added a fourth first-round draft pick to their defense.

When they made the trade public, that fact was stressed to every media member because, well, I can only assume, that was by decree of Al Davis.

Davis loves talent. Big bodies, the fastest 40-yard dash times. Imposing physiques. He believed in a team looking good “coming off the bus” decades ago and he believes it still.

First-round draft picks look good coming off the bus, regardless of which team was doing the picking. So Davis has firmly believed in not only his own first-round picks, but those of other teams, signing them up whenever possible after having washed out elsewhere.

He’s had some successes in this regard. Jim Plunkett and John Matuszak come to mind immediately but there are others.

So it wasn’t at all surprising when Wimbley was talked up for being the No. 13 overall pick in the 2006 draft. He joined Michael Huff (No. 7, 2006), Nnamdi Asomugha (No. 31, 2003) and Richard Seymour, (No. 6, 2001 ) as first-round picks on the Raiders defense. They failed to mention, of course, that Gerard Warren was the No. 3 overall pick in 2001 _ three spots head of Seymour _ and that he was let go rather than forking over a roster bonus.

If the Raiders are imposing because of having four picks in the first round, how good would they be with eight?

It happened once, with none of the players being over 32 years of age.

That same year, the Raiders had 10 offensive players who had been first-round picks none over the age of 31.

That’s 18 players on a 53-man roster who were picked in the first round, and if Elias or ESPN or anyone else with a computer has come up with more on a single team, I’d love to hear about it.

NFL Films would still be rhapsodizing over the the abundance of talent had it not been for one thing _ the 1997 Raiders were 4-12 under Joe Bugel. On defense, the Raiders finished last in the NFL in rushing yardage allowed, and last in passing yardage allowed _ which when you think about it is one of the most remarkable defensive statistics in league history given a team’s inclination to keep running when the run is going well.

If only to serve as a reminder that claiming first-round draft picks doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things, here’s a roll call of the 1997 Raiders and their first-round draft picks, including their age and overall selection:

Defense

S Eric Turner, 29, 3rd in 1991 by Cleveland
DT Russell Maryland, 28, 1st, 1991 by Dallas
DT Chester McGlockton, 28, 16th, 1992 by Raiders
DT-DE Darrell Russell, 21, 2nd, 1997 by Raiders
DE Anthony Smith, 30, 11th, 1990 by Raiders
DE Aundray Bruce, 31, 1st, 1998 by Atlanta
CB Terry McDaniel, 32, 9th, 1988 by Raiders
LB Rob Fredrickson, 26, 22nd, 1994 by Raiders

Offense

WR Desmond Howard, 27, 4th, 1992 by Washington
WR Tim Brown, 31, 6th, 1988 by Raiders
RB Harvey Williams, 30, 21st, 1991, by Kansas City
QB Jeff George, 30, 1st, 1990, by Indianapolis
RB Napoleon Kaufman, 24, 18th, 1995 by Raiders
T Lincoln Kennedy, 26, 9th, 1993 by Atlanta
QB David Klingler, 28, 6th, 1992 by Cincinnati
T Pat Harlow, 28, 11th, 1991 by New England
G Lester Holmes, 28, 19th, 1993 by Philadelphia
TE Ricky Dudley, 25, 9th, 1996 by Raiders

For what it’s worth eight of those players were gone right after the 1998 season or not long after it started _ George, Bruce, Fredkrickson, Holmes, Klingler, McDaniel, McGlockton and Smith.

In their place arrived a pair of first-round draftees _ Charles Woodson and Mo Collins _ while a third, defensive tackle Leon Bender, died of an epileptic seizure before training cap. Derek Brown, a former first-round pick of the New York Giants (14th overall in 1992) signed as a free agent.

Key roles in free agency were filled by undrafted defensive end James Harris, linebacker Richard Harvey, an 11th round pick, and Anthony Newman, a former second round pick. Eric Allen, a former fourth-round pick, came from New Orleans by trade.

Whether by plan or by accident, the Raiders, with Jon Gruden as coach and Bruce Allen as senior assistant, appeared to be selling Davis on the notion of filling roster spots by skill set compatible to systems of football rather than a first-round prototype.

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  • 30 year raider

    # SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Please, please stop with the calls for Bruce Gradkowski.

    What happens when the film study catches up to him like it has everywhere else he’s been? then we are stuck

    Its Russell or Bust folks. You have to hope Russell gets it.

    Guys like Gradkowski get you 6 or 7 wins max…like a Jon Kitna or Shaun King…
    =====================================================
    didnt know you can look into the crystal ball like that !!! poof its jabustus or nothing!!! tell me oh great wizard who will we pick at #8

  • http://atm Raider O

    SnB,

    I understand what you are saying, the Govt is doing a great job in some areas, but NOT in business.

  • NorthernD

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    If people don’t think and disagreements exist just to disagree…its a horribly inefficient system.

    Hmmm, that sounds familiar. Hey, that’s the Raiders!!!

  • RaiderDebo

    DKnight007 Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    DKnight007 Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    No more free passes and positive assumptions Debo, until Juggs Russell PROVES us wrong!

    That’s just the way it has to be.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    For you, not for me. I’m taking all the circumstances into account. There isn’t a QB in the the league that can work miracles.

    ^^^^^^^^
    What circumstances??

    Wow…your the type of person that gives free passes huh?

    Damn, I hope your not a coach or something. If you were a coach of my kids baseball, football, or basketball teams….I would try like heck to get my kid off that team.

    Al Davis loves giving free passes and that is one of the MANY reasons why the Raiders have sucked for almost a decade.

    NO MORE FREE PASSES FOR JUGGS over here!
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    Oh, I see. So you’d be happy if I spent every practice coming up with a new derogatory nickname for your kid and basically telling him he’ll never amount to anything even though he’s shown promise. I should give up on him because he hasn’t met the fans’ expectations because he had a bad streach of games with an inferior supporting cast. If that’s not giving a free pass, I’ll give them all day long. And I think I can say with all certainty that almost any parent would love for me to coach his/her kids.

  • 30 year raider

    later losers!!!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Just look around the league. QBs like Gradkowski don’t take their teams anywhere for a sustainable time period. You need QBs that can chuck the ball down the field AND work hard.

    Gradkowski has some limitations that allowed him to be cut by two terrible teams and not even make it to camp for the RAMS!

    I’ve seen guys like Gradkowski flash for a game or two…guys like Shaun Hill, JT O’Sullivan, Jon Kitna, Jake Plummer, Frank Reich…etc…etc…you will be disappointed investing 5 years in a guy like Gradkowski..I think Davis realizes this.

    So, you got to go with Russell this year….if you don’t think JaDavis is the guy..YOU HAVE TO DRAFT SOMEONE!

    Let’s not waste time with Don Hollas II

  • DKnight007

    RaiderDebo Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 11:01 pm
    DKnight007 Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
    RaiderDebo Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    DKnight007 Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 pm
    No more free passes and positive assumptions Debo, until Juggs Russell PROVES us wrong!

    That’s just the way it has to be.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    For you, not for me. I’m taking all the circumstances into account. There isn’t a QB in the the league that can work miracles.

    ^^^^^^^^
    What circumstances??

    Wow…your the type of person that gives free passes huh?

    Damn, I hope your not a coach or something. If you were a coach of my kids baseball, football, or basketball teams….I would try like heck to get my kid off that team.

    Al Davis loves giving free passes and that is one of the MANY reasons why the Raiders have sucked for almost a decade.

    NO MORE FREE PASSES FOR JUGGS over here!
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Oh, I see. So you’d be happy if I spent every practice coming up with a new derogatory nickname for your kid and basically telling him he’ll never amount to anything even though he’s shown promise. I should give up on him because he hasn’t met the fans’ expectations because he had a bad streach of games with an inferior supporting cast. If that’s not giving a free pass, I’ll give them all day long. And I think I can say with all certainty that almost any parent would love for me to coach his/her kids.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Yeahh!! Thats it….scream and cuss and those kids if they don’t listen to you and call them LOSERS!

    Yeah….that will teach them to be better players! LOL

    Your funny man…..giving Juggs Russell a free pass and not discipling him are futile mistakes.

    The guy is making a crap load of money and hasn’t proven a damn thing in 3 years and but according to you that’s okay though??

    Al Davis loves giving free passes and that is why the team has sucked for the past 7 years.

    Your boy Juggs Russell has ALOT to PROVE to ALOT of people! He has a loooooong way to go….

  • NorthernD

    Hoping for JaMarcus is kinda like dating a stripper. When you first see them, they look good in a uniform, and perform well under the lights, so you figure they’ll be a good catch in a couple of years.
    You hope they’ll smarten up and change their ways, and become quality, hard working people.
    But times goes by, they’re still F’in up their lives, still doing bonehead things and generally driving you mad, ’cause you think they’ll get better but they don’t.
    Instead, a couple years go by, their beauty fades, and you realize that you just wasted two years on a worthless piece of humanity that will never amount to anything.
    You kick yourself over it, but then move onto a quality woman who doesn’t require much work at all, and your life seems so much easier.

    ( I had old buddies that dated peelers.)

  • RaiderDebo

    Your funny man…..giving Juggs Russell a free pass and not discipling him are futile mistakes.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Last I checked, the guy got benched didn’t he? Didn’t he get fined for reporting overweight? Get your facts straight dude!

  • armond

    debo dont bother arguing with these idiots. they just come on here and say racist comments or make up sh!t they dont know. nobody made references to trailer parks or white trash when gallerys’ tattoo wearin azz was suckin it up. then these punk fukks wanna scream theres no racism. theyve been doin this since we drafted him and it wont change. btw how tough are these clowns talkin sh!t about him on a blog? dont worry tho theyll be back to rip on the next guy they dont like. theyve already turned on dmc after 2 years of misuse.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Northen D,

    Anyone But Russell is not the right way to approach this.

    Raiders would have to draft a new QB or get one in free agency.

    Gradkowski ceiling is low. And there is no reason to suggest giving the keys of the franchise to a guy that played in 2 or 3 gms….so many teams have wasted time with those types of QBs only to be disappointed.

    Look at the 49ers. They tried Shaun Hill and JT O’Sullivan…and guess what…when the film caught up with those two….Alex Smith was back in the lineup.

    Gradkowski is in that class. The Raiders are trying to win in the playooffs someday…Gradkowski isn’t the guy to get them there.

    Again, if not Russell…then they better draft somebody

  • priesttj

    NorthernD,

    That’s pretty goofy. That’s more like a rich man marrying a striper without a prenupt.

    The research was done on Russell as thorough as is possible to compare him to a striper is not only stupid but foolish and uninformed. Russell record as an athlete was sterling it may not have cpome with great blood lines like the Mannings but his work ethic and competitiveness was never a question during the his career prior to the draft now if you know different enlighten us.

  • RaiderDebo

    armond Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 11:20 pm
    debo dont bother arguing with these idiots. they just come on here and say racist comments or make up sh!t they dont know. nobody made references to trailer parks or white trash when gallerys’ tattoo wearin azz was suckin it up. then these punk fukks wanna scream theres no racism. theyve been doin this since we drafted him and it wont change. btw how tough are these clowns talkin sh!t about him on a blog? dont worry tho theyll be back to rip on the next guy they dont like. theyve already turned on dmc after 2 years of misuse.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    I hear ya man. I take it you saw those comments by 30-year old a few posts ago. Sad, isn’t it?? Couldn’t help taking shutting his ass down though. I’m really hoping Clausen drops to us so that we can find a trade partner and move down. What do you thik?

  • Alameda_Lee

    I have no hope for Jamarcus.There is nothing he has SAID or done to prove otherwise.He struck the jackpot by being the first choice overall and getting millions of dollars and that is all he wanted.He could care less about his legacy as a player.There is nothing he has done to prove otherwise NOTHING.

  • RaiderDebo

    Alameda_Lee Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 11:26 pm
    I have no hope for Jamarcus.There is nothing he has SAID or done to prove otherwise.He struck the jackpot by being the first choice overall and getting millions of dollars and that is all he wanted.He could care less about his legacy as a player.There is nothing he has done to prove otherwise NOTHING.
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    There’s a million things wrong with this argument, but I’ll just pick one. Why would he strike the jackpot once when he can strike it two or three times?? That was just his rookie contract. If it’s all about money, wouldn’t it make sense to try and hit the jackpot again? By the way, I don’t believe for a minute there’s one player in the league who would play for free.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    JaDavis struggles has as much to do with Chaz Schilens going down than anything.

    Prior to that, most of the reports were generally positive.

    Then you throw the receiver known as DHB, that K.C game was the exclamation point on that draft pick

    True, JaDavis was out of shape and did somethings…but with Schilens in there…I think the team gets off to a 2-0 start…and that could change things.

    Of course, if JaDavis is lazy, doesn’t learn the playbook and comes in out of shape..they should cut him…but till then…let’s see what happens with a full-up offense with Michael Bush and Chaz Schilens on the field with Zach Miller fulltime.

  • armond

    debo id like to drop down also and get a few more picks. i like b.graham alot to play de and move sey inside. i believe that 1 move makes 2 by improving our run d and qb pressure outside/in. we need to get more than 4 sacks from the outside and i know sey can do better than kelly rushing and run stuffing. i have no problem takin ot if its t williams or even charles brown lower in the 1rst. im hopin somebody panics and gives us a ton 2 make al davis trade down.

  • priesttj

    Debo,

    As if no other player has ever been paid Million$ but the should’ve have given it to that nigga. That’s what they alll really want to say.

    They say he hasn’t done NOTHING, when after his 1st year as a starter the NFL rated him as a top 25 player he’s on the front of Profootball Weekly as one of the next up and comers. He has a bad soph season now he hasn’t done NOTHING!!

    Truth be told the just don’t like him because he doesn’t look like them…………period

  • RaiderDebo

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    JaDavis struggles has as much to do with Chaz Schilens going down than anything.

    Prior to that, most of the reports were generally positive.

    Then you throw the receiver known as DHB, that K.C game was the exclamation point on that draft pick

    True, JaDavis was out of shape and did somethings…but with Schilens in there…I think the team gets off to a 2-0 start…and that could change things.

    Of course, if JaDavis is lazy, doesn’t learn the playbook and comes in out of shape..they should cut him…but till then…let’s see what happens with a full-up offense with Michael Bush and Chaz Schilens on the field with Zach Miller fulltime.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    That’s all I’ve been saying. It’s just hard for me to believe that we would go into the season so thin at WR. I was worried about it when Chaz was healthy. But two rookies??? And everyone knew DHB was raw. JR didn’t have a chance. To be honest with you, I’m still worried about our WRs. We’ve got to add someone. I honestly would be fine if we drafted Dez Bryant.

  • armond

    well it aint much but atleast we acquired another 7th rnd pick. gives me a reason to watch the final round now i guess.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Wow, Random Drug Tester. A little angry tonight, bud? Yeh, I have said the same thing several times over. And, you haven’t had an answer to it several times over, either. I guess everyone has their own unique way of saying, “you’re right, and I dont have an argument to refute it”.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Clausen *could* do more than Russell, but he wouldn’t. No first round QB is going to come to Oakland other than to collect a check. Most would demand a trade, and I’m guessing that’s what Clausen would do. Russell and his agent had other plans. They decided to take the old man to the cleaners and get a payday.

  • RaiderDebo

    priesttj Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
    Debo,

    As if no other player has ever been paid Million$ but the should’ve have given it to that nigga. That’s what they alll really want to say.

    They say he hasn’t done NOTHING, when after his 1st year as a starter the NFL rated him as a top 25 player he’s on the front of Profootball Weekly as one of the next up and comers. He has a bad soph season now he hasn’t done NOTHING!!

    Truth be told the just don’t like him because he doesn’t look like them…………period
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Tonight convinced me there are a lot of guys like this on the site. It’s one of the biggest reasons I want to see JR succeed. All you have to do is debate a guy like 30-year-old for a while and he’ll show his true colors. Annoys the hell out of me.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    # KoolKell Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    The same kind of hype we heard about Quinn in 07′

    Smart
    Hard worker
    Competitive
    blaah blah blah.

    ………..

    Exactly. And they accuse us of repeating ourselves?

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    30 year fan, The Raiders have a lot of “worst things in history” going for them right now, the QB is just one of them.

  • RaiderDebo

    Armond,

    We’ll see what happens. Is there an OT worth taking at no. 8 if it’s not Okung? Are we trying to get an LT or someone to start at RT? I just hope we don’t reach for a tackle at that spot.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Raider O, let’s talk Obamacare. If they hadn’t passed it, you’d be in here talking about how Obama can’t get anything done, can’t even get Dems to vote with him, can’t change anything, ineffective. Things went the other way, didn’t they? I think this health care plan is going to be good for you in the long run. But as far as your Obama hating goes? Enjoy the crow pie.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Michael Bush will give this team a more potent running attack now that we don’t have to worry about sharing carries with Justin Fargas…..with the 2 back system..the guy in the groove can take over a game…I am hoping we see a running game like the K.c game two yrs ago where DMAC scorched the defense outside and Bush grabbed yards up the middle.

    Schilens full-time, hopefully, will help. Big body on the outside that can actually run a route and catch the ball. Murphy with another year and you know he’s busting his backside to get better…..JLH hopefully is back to his form two yrs ago…as for DHB…just hope he stays out of the way.

    Offense will be better with those guys working together under a competent O-Coordinator…Hopefully a rededicated Russell will build on what he did at the end of 2008.

    Better playcalling, better running game, Miller, Schilens, Murphy and JLH should be an improvement.

    Tell Tom Cable to stay the heck away!

  • priesttj

    Debo,

    I learned a long time ago never ask someone what type of person they are because they will lie every time. Just engage them in some lively conversation and they will demonstrate who they really are.

    “Out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks”. It’s a trueism that I live by.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    MistaBrown, study the constitution, would ya? You can look it up online. And tell me where it says our representatives can’t pass a bill like this?

  • RaiderDebo

    priesttj Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
    Debo,

    As if no other player has ever been paid Million$ but the should’ve have given it to that nigga. That’s what they alll really want to say.

    They say he hasn’t done NOTHING, when after his 1st year as a starter the NFL rated him as a top 25 player he’s on the front of Profootball Weekly as one of the next up and comers. He has a bad soph season now he hasn’t done NOTHING!!

    Truth be told the just don’t like him because he doesn’t look like them…………period
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@2@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    For sure. What cracks me up is that some of these guys can only point to JR’s perceived lack of work ethic or “low football IQ” as the reason he struggled. Why did Trent Edwards or Brady Quinn struggle? How about Jake Dellhomme? Never heard a word about work ethic or intelligence.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Richochet, I still want to know what the mods did to punish me?

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    Russell has to get on a real team, real offensive line, real offensive gameplan, real organizational cohesiveness and environment, before he can be called a bust. As it stands, he plays for an organization that’s a bust.

  • NorthernD

    So priesttj,
    You managed to call me goofy, stupid, foolish and uninformed in the span of a few sentences…
    and yet, “Out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks”.

    You need to look in the mirror.

  • Alameda_Lee

    Priesttj, it has NOTHING to do with race.Jamarcus does not have that fire in the Belly to be succesful.I honestly believe that he got his Millions took care of HIMSELF and the Family and hoped his TALENT would make him succesful.I honestly believe he thinks of himself as a Star already and is OK with that.
    Priest and Debo is there anything else out there to show that he Cares about being a adequate QB.I agree DEBO why not try and hit the jackpot 2-3 times BUT do you think Jamarcus cares about the next contract???

  • NorthernD

    Alameda_Lee,
    He made his money.

  • armond

    debo i have no idea what we will do. i think alot depends on morrison. i have a feeling mcclain is as much in play as other guys. i will say that ive been one of a few that feels de is a bigger need than most and it seems as if the organization may feel the same way. another thing is the team isnt as talentless as most would have u believe. there are holes but it has more to do with structure. playcalling situational offense/defense and established roles. if u get a couple of guys who can move guys into a more natural position it will help us much more than trying to get a whole new team.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    It has more to do with race than people think. If it’s true that Al Davis doesn’t like black players from Notre Dame, I could only gather that he doesn’t like smart black people. The beautiful irony in all of this is that a not so smart black guy from Alabama outsmarted him and his wallet, regardless.

  • RaiderDebo

    Alameda_Lee Says:
    March 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 am
    Priesttj, it has NOTHING to do with race.Jamarcus does not have that fire in the Belly to be succesful.I honestly believe that he got his Millions took care of HIMSELF and the Family and hoped his TALENT would make him succesful.I honestly believe he thinks of himself as a Star already and is OK with that.
    Priest and Debo is there anything else out there to show that he Cares about being a adequate QB.I agree DEBO why not try and hit the jackpot 2-3 times BUT do you think Jamarcus cares about the next contract???@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Read some of the previous posts and tell me it’s not about race. Not saying you feel that way, but SOME of the guys on this board do. I don’t believe for a minute that JR doesn’t have the fire in his belly to be successful. His demeanor is consistent with what he showed in college where he was 1st-team All-SEC and EARNED the opportunity to be picked #1. If he was just there for the paycheck, what motivated him to bring us back from 10 points down in the 4th against Tampa in the last game of the season when we weren’t going to the playoffs? What motivated him to pull out the Denver game when we were eliminated from playoff contention? Why did he go to Arizona to drop weight? Why bother to show up for offseason workouts? The guy wants to be good. I believe last year was a fluke.

  • http://none The Real MaddenRaider

    You guys might not see color, but Al Davis sure as hell does. He doesn’t go 3 months without releasing some kind of press statement boasting of his minority hiring. You’re supposed to tell me his incessant need to prove that he’s a crusader for black NFL players didn’t play a role in him drafting Russell?

  • RaiderDebo

    The Real MaddenRaider Says:
    March 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 am
    You guys might not see color, but Al Davis sure as hell does. He doesn’t go 3 months without releasing some kind of press statement boasting of his minority hiring. You’re supposed to tell me his incessant need to prove that he’s a crusader for black NFL players didn’t play a role in him drafting Russell
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    That’s exactly what I’m telling you. I heard Phil Savage on Sirus NFL say that JR wouldn’t have made it past the Browns at no. 3 that year. And I highly doubt Detroit would have passed him up at no. 2. He was considered the top QB in the draft and a consensus top-5 pick.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Organizational discipline folks.

    No one in that organization can teach these kids what it means to be a pro

    They went out partying before a preseason game.

    Davis neuters his coaches and there is a lack of discipline.

    Imagine Ray Lewis in a conversation with Russell after coming in overweight? It wouldn’t happen

  • priesttj

    NorthernD,

    I never said that you in particular were stupid foolish and uninformed. I meaant your assesment of the Raiders drafting Russell and comparing it dating a striper was stupid foolish and uninformed. I don’t even know you personally. But that analogy was ignorant………period

  • priesttj

    SnB,

    do you know that for a fact or are you just drooling at the mouth again.

  • Alameda_Lee

    Debo, I did’nt say he was not competitive I said I think he does’nt care about being successful.This are 2 different situations in the Heat of the Battle and playing and doing all you can to win.There is also the preparation it takes to be successful in the NFL and I do not think Jamarcus gets that or ever will. Jamarcus has done nothing to prove that he cares about being a succesful QB in the NFL.If you or anyone else out there thinks he has please tell me.

  • RaiderDebo

    DKnight007 Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 8:40 pm
    30 year raider Says:
    March 22nd, 2010 at 8:27 pm
    I doubt Clausen would do much more than Russell to be a good QB here. Any 1st round QB here either demands to get traded, or collects a check like Russell.
    ……………………………………………..

    Clausen could do more than Jawalmart with a blindfold on and both hands tied behind his back!!!!

    ^^^^^^^^
    Yep….easily!
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    A great scouting report on Clausen from Pro Fottball Weekly:

    2. QB Jimmy Clausen
    Notre Dame junior
    Ht: 6-2 5/8 | Wt: 222 | Sp: 4.85e | Arm: 30 3/4 | Hand: 9

    Notes: Older brothers, Casey and Rick, both played quarterback at Tennessee earlier in the decade. Was a three-year starter at California small-school prep power Oaks Christian, where he had a 42-0 record as a starter. Passed for 10,764 yards and a state-record 146 TDs. Underwent arthroscopic surgery in the spring of ’07 to remove a bone spur from his right (throwing) elbow. Was cited in June ’07 for illegal transportation of alcohol in South Bend – drove someone of legal age to a liquor store. Ultimately completed a pre-trial diversion program that erased the citation after staying out of trouble for 12 months. Started 9-of-10 games played in ’07, completing 138-of-245 pass attempts (56.3 percent) for 1,254 yards with seven touchdowns and six interceptions while taking his lumps behind an offensive line that allowed 58 sacks. Did not play against USC or Navy (coach’s decision). In ’08, started all 13 games and passed 268-440-3,172-25-17 (60.9). Started all 12 games in ’09, throwing for 289-425-3,722-28-4 (68.0). Set a school record with seven games of more than 300 yards passing in a season and also led four fourth-quarter comeback victories. Received a black eye after getting punched by an irate fan outside a bar at 2 a.m. after the loss to Connecticut on Nov. 21, 2009. Had surgery in January 2010 to repair tendon damage in his right toe, which he suffered while being sacked against Michigan State and played through much of the season. Will be a 23-year-old rookie despite leaving a year early and never redshirting – began kindergarten at age 6 and repeated sixth grade, as per his parents’ wishes. Team captain.

    Positives: Fluid in his drops. Good field vision and QB instincts. Recognizes mismatches and understands where and when to go with the ball. Has shown he will hang in the pocket and pick himself off the ground after taking big hits behind a very marginal O-line. Good touch and overall accuracy. Has played under center in a pro-style offense, is very well-coached and makes decisive, pro-style reads. Carries the ball high on the shelf and picks apart defenses when given time. Can manipulate defenders and move safeties with his eyes. Learned how to rotate his hips into his throws. Can drive the deep out and can sling it into tight windows – can hit the deep outs, comebacks and posts and make all the throws. Angry competitor – plays with gusto. Has shown a lot of magic on big stages and thrived in high-pressure situations. Carries a swagger and has a very confident demeanor when the game is on the line – wants the ball in his hands in the clutch and will recommend plays. Good on-field energy and bounce in his step. Battles through injuries – took pain-killing injections in his foot to play most of the season. Improved work ethic. The game is very important to him, and he showed an improved on-field command as a junior. Very experienced.

    Negatives: Too manufactured – has a high-effort delivery. Tends to hop in the pocket and is not much of a scrambling threat – can be flustered by the rush and takes too many sacks. Has a tendency to overstride when he goes deep, lowering his release point, and has to put his entire body into the throw and chuck it like it’s a javelin. Puts too much air underneath the deep ball and launches some rainmakers. Inconsistent deep accuracy – was 0-for-7 throwing to his deep right in five games charted the past two years. Has an awkward follow-through and too often falls backward after he throws. Had a strong supporting cast with receivers who attacked the ball. Has a sense of entitlement, having attended private schools, worked with private QB coaches and being sheltered by his family, who bought a house on campus so his brothers had a place to stay for every game. Arrogant – can come off as having all the answers and struggle to win a locker room. Still immature. Comes across as overly staged, scripted and disingenuous in interviews and does not have the type of presence desired in the face of a franchise. Is not a fan of the weight room.

    Summary: A tough, instinctive, competitive gamer who overhauled his mechanics from the time he was a freshman, physically matured and developed into a decisive marksman. Has been groomed by Charlie Weis and has an advanced understanding of the game that will allow him to step into a starting lineup readily. However, he is cut from a similar cloth as Rex Grossman(notes) and J.P. Losman(notes), possessing an elitist attitude and selfishness that could polarize a locker room and create needless drama that may detract from a team. The defining question of his career is whether he possesses the intangibles and make-up to become a leader and win the respect of his teammates.

    NFL projection: First-round pick.

  • RaiderDebo

    Alameda_Lee Says:
    March 23rd, 2010 at 12:43 am
    Debo, I did’nt say he was not competitive I said I think he does’nt care about being successful.This are 2 different situations in the Heat of the Battle and playing and doing all you can to win.There is also the preparation it takes to be successful in the NFL and I do not think Jamarcus gets that or ever will. Jamarcus has done nothing to prove that he cares about being a succesful QB in the NFL.If you or anyone else out there thinks he has please tell me.
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    Dude, forget the game situations if you want to. If he doesn’t care about being successful, why go to Arizona to train? Why show up or team weight training and conditioning? Explain that.

  • NorthernD

    priesttj,
    I guess further explanation is required.
    The ananlogy to a stripper is to show that in spite of JaMarcus’s physical prowess, he continues to make mental mistakes, and cause doubts that he will ever “get it.”
    The same would apply to strippers, who despite their good looks (sometimes), they usually end up on the wrong side of the tracks.
    And in both cases, it seems easy enough to talk sense into them, but they never learn. They never seem to figure things out enough to realize their full potential.
    Is that a fair explantation of my analogy, or was I just being “ignorant?”

    And the bible quote? To paraphrase, people’s words reflect what’s in their hearts? You sure like attacking other people. You need to look at that.

  • http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/749px-I-420svg.png 408RAIDER

    Morning Nation!

    from Dwhites TwitterGood morning from Orlando, where I’m covering the NFL owner’s meeting. On deck: Raiders coach Tom Cable at 7:15 a.m. Eastern time.

    Cable says Kamerion Wimbley will play OLB, not DE, at strongside.

    Team will kick tires on some free agent RTs, consider them in draft. Obvious position of need.

    Won’t give JaMarcus’ weight, but says he’s doing what they ask and looks forward to QB competition.

    On Hue Jackson’s role: “Score points.” And JaMarcus hasn’t tinkered with throwing motion.

    Khalif Barnes would start at RT if season was today, Matt Shaughnessy at RDE.

    Cable on uncertain status in January: “I felt bad for that TV lady who had to stand in the rain at the gate.”

    ……………………………

    Jerry come on man! I know its only five but rise and grind!

  • M Lonetree

    Man o man, with JaMarginal at QB and McFumble at tailback and “Ole!” Barnes at RT, what possibly could go wrong?

    At least we can all look forward to The Kamerion Wimbley Era. Yay.

    Raider On.