Report: Raiders inquire about trading for Eagles QB McNabb
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, March 24th, 2010 at 5:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Rich Gannon was 33 when the Raiders signed him as an unrestricted free agent after a four-year run with the Kansas City Chiefs ended in 1999.
It didn’t take long for Gannon to assert himself as the Raiders unquestioned starting quarterback and make people forget about Jeff George, Donald Hollas and Wade Wilson.
Gannon earned Pro Bowl honors four straight seasons and was the league MVP for the 2002 season.
Perhaps, then, it makes sense to learn of the Raiders of approaching the Philadelphia Eagles about a trade for quarterback Donovan McNabb.
The news comes from Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports in a story that says the Raiders and Buffalo Bills have contacted the Eagles about trading for McNabb.
Eagles coach Andy Reid said at the NFL owners meeting in Orlando, Fla., earlier this week that he has been contacted by teams about all three of his quarterbacks, including Kevin Kolb and Michael Vick.
“We’ll go back and look through those [talks] and think through them a little bit once we’re away from this situation here,” Reid said. “[There is] nothing that, right now, that I can jump up and down about. But there has been some interest. … I’m listening to things out there. I’m not saying I’m doing anything. I’m just keeping my ears open, which we do on every player. This is no different.”
That has helped fuel the speculation, which is running rampant about now.
The Philadelphia Inquirer cited a league source in reporting that the St. Louis Rams are offering the Eagles a second-round draft pick (No. 33 overall) and free safety Oshiomogho Atogwe for McNabb.
A Rams source told NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora that there is nothing to that report. Later, Rams general manager Billy Devaney told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the Inquirer report is “utterly ridiculous” and that he hasn’t spoken with the Eagles about any of his players.
Make of it what you will. The move makes sense from the Raiders standpoint if coach Tom Cable and managing general partner Al Davis aren’t sold upon JaMarcus Russell, Bruce Gradkowski or Charlie Frye as the starter for next season.
Cable certainly isn’t sold upon any of the three as the unquestioned starter, saying it’s a full, wide-open competition come training camp. Trading for McNabb could change that in an instant.
The thinking also could go along the lines of bringing in McNabb so that he can give the Raiders the best chance of succeeding this year and asking him to help develop Russell.
It’s worth noting that McNabb had flattering things to say about Russell a few days before the Eagles played the Raiders at the Coliseum last season and went out of his way after the game to speak with Russell.
“Not all the negative aspects of what’s been going on should fall on JaMarcus because it’s a team game,” McNabb said in a conference call with Raiders beat writers four days before the Raiders beat McNabb and the Eagles.
McNabb said that Russell’s progress has been retarded by the high turnover in coaches, offensive coordinators, play-callers and players during his first three seasons.
It’s a tough situation for him,” McNabb said in the conference call. “I’m sure that he’s going to do what he has to do in order to pull himself out of it, and just make sure the guys understand that he’s putting in the effort as well.”
Cable said Tuesday at the owners meeting that Russell is putting in the required effort and that things are going as planned. Maybe so, but that’s coming from the same coach who pulled Russell from games twice last season and, ultimately, benched him for the final seven games.
The Raiders aren’t allowed to comment on a player under contract to another team, so there’s nothing from their camp about the McNabb-to-the-Raiders stories. Two Raiders employees said that they were unaware of the Raiders contacting the Eagles about McNabb.
McNabb was the second pick of the 1999 NFL draft by the Eagles. He has amassed 32,873 yards and 216 touchdowns passing, with only 100 interceptions. The Eagles have reached the playoffs eight times and the Super Bowl once on his watch.
The reports of McNabb being shopped by the Eagles prompted him to respond on his blog on yardbarker.com.
“I was asked to respond to statements made at the NFL owners meetings that the Eagles would entertain offers to trade any of their three QBs,” McNabb said. “Here is my response: My position hasn’t changed. I’ve said all along that I would like to win a Super Bowl and finish my career in Philadelphia.
“I understand the situation well and just hope whichever direction the Eagles decide to go in, they do it quickly. I think that would be best for me, Kevin, Michael, the Eagles, and any other teams involved. No matter what happens, I’ve already begun preparing to have an outstanding season in 2010.”
Last season, McNabb passed for 3,553 yards and 22 touchdowns. He completed 60.3 percent of his passes, with 10 interceptions.
By comparison, Russell, Gradkowski and Frye passed for 2,875 yards and 10 touchdowns. The trio completed 52.8 percent of their passes, with 18 interceptions.
Any team trading for McNabb would inherit his contract, which expires after next season. He also is due a $6.2 million roster bonus in May. In other words, it’s likely that the Raiders or another team that trades for him first would attempt to work out a long-term contract.
Russell’s contract calls for him to earn $9.45 million in 2010. Of that figure, $3 million is guaranteed whether he is on the opening-day roster or not.
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March 24th, 2010 at 5:03 pm
JaWalrus SUCKS!!!!!!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
No thanks. I would rather take the stats on D when the Raiders play the Rams. That’s if McNabb can stay healthy long enough. The Raiders may need to play the Rams week on in order to make sure they get a shot at him before he gets injured.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
Get someone in here to play Q!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Keep the name trolly troll. You obviously want it more than I do. Keep it.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Am hearing a rumor from a guy with inside sources who says McNabb could be a Raider tonite. Davis approving the idea pending McNabb wanting to be a Raider, that he’s talking with players/staff to gauge whether he wants in. And that if McNabb comes in Davis will go after TO to reunite, something more for McNabb to think about in terms of the deal.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:11 pm
mcnabb is probably overrated to some degree. overrated in the degree that people talk of him as a hall of fame talent. i’d say he’s more in the hall of very good qb with a solid and distinguished career. hall of whatever though, i’d take him in place of any of the 3 guys we currently have in a heart beat. i’d gladly give a 2nd rounder and god, even throw in routt or captain delusional too for him.
it would suck for bruce since i liked what he brought to the team in the little time he had, but that’s the way it goes i guess. not always fair.
frye? talk about empty numbers and jamarcus? well, isn’t he just a natural disaster…
March 24th, 2010 at 5:12 pm
McNabb was the second pick of the 1999 NFL draft by the Eagles. He has amassed 32,873 yards
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Hmmm. McNabb’s career yards total is about what our attendance average will be if JaJackintheBox starts in the season opener.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:13 pm
McNabb is a chunky soup eating derelict that folds up like a lawn chair come post season, Fk him..
The end.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Anyone who says they wouldn’t give a 1st rnd pick to get a player of McNabbs calibre just doesn’t understand this sport. Start watching knitting it’s more your speed.
That kind of talent is rare and very di9fficult to come by, that’s what Russell should apire to become. A few years with DMc and then the rest with Russell and it changes EVERYTHING………….period
March 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Not overly jazzed about seeing McNabb come here.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
good one Seymour Bush troll.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
“McNabb said that Russell’s progress has been retarded…” Que Beavis and Butthead laughter.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
tj you can have McNabb & Russell and go stick your tongue up their collective a$$es, when your done tossing their salad go knit yourself a crying towel for all the whining you do.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
tj, you wouldn’t know a legit Qb if he slapped you in the faced with a used condom.
The end.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
DMAC for Mcnabb, even though I think used properly DMAC is a game changer but you can’t get something for nothing
March 24th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
thank you again IT department for getting rid of that crap.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:23 pm
DMAC for Mcnabb
Dan Williams in the 1st
best Olineman avail in the 2nd
= PLAYOFFS!!!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:25 pm
Dragging people here who don’t want to be here kicking and screaming is not going to turn this team around. Al, your line sucks. Your defense sucks. Your organization has no cohesiveness whatsoever. Your coaches hate each other. It only takes 3 years to rebuild in this league. Considering your mother’s longevity, you’ve got about 20 years left. Rebuild, Al. No veteran is going to help this team right now, except for maybe 5 veteran offensive linemen and a veteran HC with a winning record in this league.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
McNabb is a winner.
Andy Reid has always passed the ball and has never developed a running attack around McNabb.
pull the trigger. A Proven vetran leader/ winner for the 8th overall pick makes great sense in oakland. Al & Company have consitently missed at the top of the draft for the past 6 years
March 24th, 2010 at 5:27 pm
priesttj Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:14 pm
Anyone who says they wouldn’t give a 1st rnd pick to get a player of McNabbs calibre just doesn’t understand this sport. Start watching knitting it’s more your speed.
That kind of talent is rare and very di9fficult to come by, that’s what Russell should apire to become. A few years with DMc and then the rest with Russell and it changes EVERYTHING………….period
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You may be right here Priest. I’ve had mixed feelings about this, but as long as JR stays here I can live with it.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
McNabb certainly has his pluses and minuses. I don’t know about him being here. Thanks IT Dept for getting rid of that garbage!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
If Donovan comes, Jamarcus goes. Simple as that.
No way do you pay Russell $9 million, Donovan’s $12 million (and he wants an extension) and Bruce’s 1.7 is guaranteed as well.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
The Raiders keep proving why they are the worst team in professional sports, and their fans continue to fall in line like lemmings and prove they are easily the dumbest fans in all of sports. I’ll ask you braniacs again…What can McNabb do here without an offensive line?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Vegas,
McNabb, or Bruce?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
I’m not a McNabb fan but I’m also not a fan of the current QB situation so I’m all for it. Whether anybody likes it or not, the guy has produced and though he may never win a Superbowl, hes had an impressive career and with the way things have gone for the Raiders, we could use ANYBODY worth a damn! as we won’t be very successful without a good QB so trade for him. I don’t have a problem with it.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Real Madden Raider… The offense is lead by proven loosers right now… other than that there are a bunch of kids with no idea of what it takes to win.
McNabb could revive Mcfumble’s career. He has lead teams to win with similar talent level at WR.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
McNabb will be fine if opposing defenses use a prevent every down and don’t rush the passer.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
McNabb only goes out and wins games.
1. Playoffs 8 of 11 years
2. 5 of those 8 appearances went to at least the NFC Championship
3. 1 Super Bowl appearance where they lost to the cheating Patriots
And he’s not a winner? Over 33K yaards, 59% completion 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio….in the NFC East
with receivers named Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell, Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis…..and a moody T.O
If you don’t like McNabb….you don’t know football at all.
The Raiders should pull the trigger and bring in this QB right now! 2nd round pick…hell, do it for the 1st round pick.
We don’t need Bruce Campbell anyway
March 24th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
No McNabb please. I’d rather stick with Bruce Almighty. Bruce can win if we can improve our O and D lines.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Dick, how does McNabb revive our offensive line? Does he share his salary with them?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
McNabb/Gradkowski/Frye, with JaAbscessedBelly out of the NFL completely. Sounds like a good QB scenario to me.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Veterans don’t fix teams as bad as the Raiders. When have the Raiders ever built a team with veterans? Ever, in history? Name a time. The only time veterans helped us is when we ALREADY had a team, when we were already winning. John Madden said the same thing. All of that great mythology stuff about the Raiders came in after the nucleus was built.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Corkran, man you right the longest posts…
March 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Oh, and McNabb pulled those numbers on a team that threw the ball 70% of the time and didn’t have a real running game.
Bring him in here!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Jamarcus goes either way I think. al has always cared about the MOB. He simply will not go into the season with loosing half of his fan base because he is sticking it out with Jamarcus.
Fans are not renewing their season tickets. The fan base that matters, season ticket holders, hate Jamarcus and have done more than any billboard could have ever done by simply not renewing their tickets.
Brining in McNabb is the type of Bold move that Al will make to win back the mob… Jamarcus being cut is almost a done deal
March 24th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Raider fans = dumbest fans in all of sports. Possibly the dumbest people in civilization. Need proof? Just keep hitting reloading and keep reading comments on this thread. Unbelievable. Is there any fan here who understands our problems reach beyond the QB position?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:36 pm
aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
No McNabb please. I’d rather stick with Bruce Almighty. Bruce can win if we can improve our O and D lines.
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That’s just wild azz thinking right there.
Bruce Gradkowski and his flash of 2 decent games over McNabb’s 8 playoff appearances, 5 NFC Championship appearances, 1 Super Bowl appearance and all this in the NFC East…
For Gradkowski?
Do you follow football?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Dickv, your comment about Al caring about the “mob” of Raider fans might be the single most delusional comment I’ve ever seen in here. Get a clue.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
The O line is not great, but with Jamarcus dropping back 10-15 yards in the pocket everytime the perception is skewed to say the least
March 24th, 2010 at 5:38 pm
Al cared about that “mob” of Raider fans in Oakland when he left Oakland in the first place, didn’t he? And back then, there was a hard core, working class fan base in the east bay. It was as much of a mob as there was as far as pro sports fanaticism is concerned. Al brushed that “mob” off like a flea. Unbelievable. The kool aid if flowing today. Grab a cup.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Dickv, are you defending this offensive line? Never mind. Bring McNabb here. I can’t wait to see your guys’ reaction when McNabb is injured in week one.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Real madden raider… season ticket holders matter that is it.
They are the core of the Raiders market/ fan base. They Pay the salaries… you can not get on to TV without selling out.
Business is Business… the ticket holders are the only thing that counts in so many ways
March 24th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
Dickv, you have me in stitches with these comment about Al caring about the fans. In f’n stitches. Keep them coming.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:43 pm
Real MaddenRaider,
McNabb would be worth a shot. And given the Owner’s inability to really develop homegrown QB talent…this represents our best shot.
Get a Right Tackle and a decent Right Guard with a professional QB and a professional OC, that could be something interesting.
Of course the defense will continue to be garbage because its weak at DT, MLB and linebacker…but at least the team will score some points.
As long as DHB doesn’t play too much
March 24th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Dickv, are you defending this offensive line? Never mind. Bring McNabb here. I can’t wait to see your guys’ reaction when McNabb is injured in week one.
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If he gets injured…so what…then its just 9 years of double digit losing. Who cares after losing for so long.
Getting McNabb would be a big deal here
March 24th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
When the raiders moved back those same people came back buying tickets…
the raiders never sold out the LA Memeroial Coliseum so brining it back to a smaller stadium with better parking lots and a real transit system was a great move… for the ticket holders
March 24th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
No, McNabb would not be worth a shot. He’s one more step in the wrong direction. There’s no way in hell he wants to come here. So we’re dragging yet another NFL veteran here kicking and screaming. It took Seymour a week to get on the plane. I wouldn’t doubt if McNabb outright retired if traded here. He has the money. Every move we take away from rebuilding is a move in the wrong direction. What can mcnabb do for the Raiders in 3 years? That’s where our management needs to be. We’re one of the worst teams in football. Al Davis is making moves as if we’re just a couple of players away.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
Vegas,
McNabb, or Bruce?
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Obviously, ceteris paribus, you want McNabb.
But Bruce for 1/8th the price and not costing another draft pick or two, brings that down a little.
I think McNabb is toast, and at this stage in his career, is overrated. The Eagles are a very well run organization, and they are considering trading him. What should that tell you?
Kevin Kolb has done less in this league than Gradkowski, playing on a better team BTW, and they might hand him the keys.
If I were the Eagles, I wouldn’t trade him, and if I were the Raiders I wouldn’t trade for him, unless they have moved on from Russell and I highly doubt that.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Trade DMC for McNabb, then trade up for Suh, and draft J Best in the 2nd!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
If Donovan comes, Jamarcus goes. Simple as that.
No way do you pay Russell $9 million, Donovan’s $12 million (and he wants an extension) and Bruce’s 1.7 is guaranteed as well.
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Remember, $3 million of JR’s contract is guaranteed no matter what. If he gets cut, he walks with $40 million. And who the hell gives a damn about Bruce’s $1.7 million? That’s chump change even for a backup. There is no salary cap, so as long as JR continues on the path he’s started this offseason, it’s very likely he’d stay.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
If McNabb gets hurt than its back to Gradkoski a career back up… what is the down side?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Vegas,
McNabb…or Bruce?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Personally, I would trade for McNabb and TO. We need veteran help from players who are actually good players.
It’s not like McNabb would fix the team, but in terms of the QB position and offensive output, we need to address it just as much as addressing the OL and DT/MLB. If you get an opportunity to have a shot at McNabb while youre trying to fix the DL, say, you dont just ignore it and carry on.
As much as I like Gradkowski/Frye and was one of the first to say how those two would be prove to be better QBs than Russell if given a chance early last season, they are not of the same caliber as McNabb is.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
OMG Vegas!
Dude, are you trying to make a case for Bruce over McNabb?! Damn, that’s man Love. lol
March 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Madden Raider your clamoring about the raiders needing to rebuild is way more ridiculous than bringing in a proven vet.
The raiders been rebuilding for the past 4 years now and it has been the worse four years in history.
Al does not know how to rebuild
He will “re load”… maybe win 5 or 6 games, but he will get the fans back to where he can manage the losses with some nifty accounting. He can not hide the losses with half the stadium empty
March 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
The downside is that we should be making moves for offensive linemen and defensive front 7. We’ve already missed most of those opportunities. The Raiders have to rebuild. How does McNabb help you rebuild? With our offensive line, he won’t even be able to bring results in the short term! He’ll get his spine snapped by week 3 with this line. And, he knows that, which is why I’m guessing he retires the minute the Eagles pull the trigger on this. If we already had an offensive line, I’d be all for this. McNabb could be our modern day Gannon. As it stands, he’s just another veteran we’re dragging here against his own will.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
THE RAIDERS HAVE NOT BEEN REBUILDING FOR 4 YEARS, YOU LIAR!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
THE RAIDERS HAVEN’T REBUILT SINCE THE ’90s!!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
just think of the discounts he must get on chunky soups???? wow that in itself is a great deal! i say pull the trigger for our #2 and #5…
March 24th, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Reid is a good coach, but he has his faults. Tell you the truth Jimmy Johnson was the best coach in Philly during the McNabb – Reid Era… the defense was always very good.
Don’t give too much credit to that organization other than having sense to stick with a winning formula… that was never enough to actually win because you have to run the ball to win
March 24th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Finally, Shanahan discussed the importance of having a strong supporting cast and a solid offensive system. “I don’t care what quarterback you have, you have to have a good supporting cast and not only a good supporting cast but you got to have a system that really relates to the players and that’s what you’re working for as a head coach in the NFL, to put that all together,” Shanahan said.
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Here’s a great quote from Shanahan. Why kick JR to the curb AFTER we fix the supporting cast? I believe we need to stay the course. If McNabb came here for one or two years with JR as his caddie, I MIGHT be able to live with that. But I’d prefer JR getting another shot with another year under his belt and an improved OL and WRs.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
SNB,
Sorry but I have never been a big fan of McNabb. I know he had a great career so far. At this point, I am not big on some expensive and old QB. We have so many holes in our lines that even Peyton Manning wouldnt last in our offense.
Yes Bruce had a flash but the way I analyzed him for all of his starts this year I liked what I saw. I saw someone who played better and better as time moved on. I am nothing more than a fan behind a computer. That’s my take and I can live with that.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Too much lying in here today. The shills are in full force. I am now hoping McNabb comes here to just let you guys have it this fall when he winds up getting injured, or being ineffective because all he can do is throw the ball away with our offensive gameplan and the lack of time he’ll get. It’ll be fun to watch you guys scapegoat him. And there’s no way he’d come here for that reason. Best case scenario: He comes here, throws the ball away, gets scapegoated. Worst case scenario: Our offensive line gets him killed. Great scenario. Goodnight, dreamers.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Debo,
1.7 million may not seem like much, but if they were planning on making a move to McNabb, why even tender him at all? Just let him hit the market and go from there.
It’s all moot anyway, IMO. McNabb isn’t coming here. But has any team ever had the starting QB making 12+ million and the backup $9 million? What sense does that make?
March 24th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
The raiders tried to rebuild the defense first under Rob Ryan… that failed miserably… mostly because the two corner stone LB’s sucked.
since 2007 they have try to rebuild the offense completely and that was abigger failure than the defensive rebuilding effort
March 24th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
The downside is that we should be making moves for offensive linemen and defensive front 7. We’ve already missed most of those opportunities. The Raiders have to rebuild. How does McNabb help you rebuild? With our offensive line, he won’t even be able to bring results in the short term! He’ll get his spine snapped by week 3 with this line. And, he knows that, which is why I’m guessing he retires the minute the Eagles pull the trigger on this. If we already had an offensive line, I’d be all for this. McNabb could be our modern day Gannon. As it stands, he’s just another veteran we’re dragging here against his own will.
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if we did trade for McChunky and his discounts we would sign a chester pitts, a kevin mawae or a bobby williams…
March 24th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:54 pm
Finally, Shanahan discussed the importance of having a strong supporting cast and a solid offensive system. “I don’t care what quarterback you have, you have to have a good supporting cast and not only a good supporting cast but you got to have a system that really relates to the players and that’s what you’re working for as a head coach in the NFL, to put that all together,” Shanahan said.
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Here’s a great quote from Shanahan. Why kick JR to the curb AFTER we fix the supporting cast? I believe we need to stay the course. If McNabb came here for one or two years with JR as his caddie, I MIGHT be able to live with that. But I’d prefer JR getting another shot with another year under his belt and an improved OL and WRs.
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And an improved defense and special teams.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
One more thing SnB,
Bruce Grad is a younger version of Garcia but with more leadership than Garcia. They play exactly alike but you know all our players respected Bruce last year. i dont ever remember Garcia being considered a leader in his career. If Bruce can have a career like Garcia in his prime than that is a steal!
March 24th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
Donavan McNabb is a class act, and always has been. He (unlike Garcia; not quite sure what they were thinking there) would actually BE a professional and would be a great example of how an NFL quarterback does his job. Plus, he can still play a little.
I wouldn’t give up a ton to get him, but I am certain he would help not only JaMarcus, but the rest of the young guys as well.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
The raiders have tried to rebuild… its been hodge podge, but no way Al davis would ever turn over his entire roster and do a true rebuilding effort like a Parcells would do…
I think you just do not understand the team/ owner you root for.
March 24th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
lets not be stupid guys, if we can get mcnabb for a 2 AND have the benefit of cutting fatboy al should sign off on that before the ink dries
March 24th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
What if they’re calling Philly to inquire about Vick?
March 24th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
The offense is young, and where there are vetrans they have a history of loosing… Mcnabb instantly upgrades this team just by being a vetran /leader
March 24th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
MaddenRaider…
The thing is, our QB and offensive play was woeful (includes RB and WR). So was our run stopping (DT/LB). So was our Special Teams play (kick/punt returning). So was our offensive Line. There are four areas that have to be addressed. McNabb (and TO) addresses one of them. You cannot overlook it if you get a shot at it. You still have to go about addressing it as youre out there trying to address the other needs.
But I do agree too—we need to actually ADDRESS the other areas tho. You cannot just sign McNabb (as Davis) and just sit on your hands thinking you’ve won over RaiderNation and the NFL community with all the “Raiders greatness is back.” Davis has a bad habit of ignoring the lines in the draft, he has to pull the trigger if he’s genuine about fixing the team as quickly as possible.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
# raiders22 Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
lets not be stupid guys, if we can get mcnabb for a 2 AND have the benefit of cutting fatboy al should sign off on that before the ink dries
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that would be rhe best case scenario
March 24th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
i’d make the move 4 mcnabb in a heartbeat
March 24th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
McNabb for 2nd or 3rd rounder & Morrison, Eagles need LB help desperately! It could work!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:55 pm
Debo,
1.7 million may not seem like much, but if they were planning on making a move to McNabb, why even tender him at all? Just let him hit the market and go from there.
It’s all moot anyway, IMO. McNabb isn’t coming here. But has any team ever had the starting QB making 12+ million and the backup $9 million? What sense does that make?
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We could see a lot of strange things in an uncapped year. I mean how much sense does it make to sign a third-string qb who’s never taken a snap in the NFL $10 million to back up Matt Hasselbaack?? How did Routt get tendered at $3 million? What wouldn’t make sense to me would be to give up on JR ONE bad year. A year where he had ROOKIE starters at WR and no pass protection after the second game. And let’s not forget that he’s had his moments with some nice comeback wins. He’s lost weight and is at the facility working. Can’t see him getting cut.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
jersey fan, nobody even wants to pony up a 3rd for kirk
March 24th, 2010 at 6:07 pm
Aig,
Garcia never accomplished anything of note. He bounced around the league a bunch of times and had a couple of good years with San Fran, 1 good year as a fill in in Philly when McNabb got hurt, and 1 decent year, not good, in T.B….other than that he was terrible.
Man, its tough being a Raider fan. We’ve seen so much bad football that our ability to properly analyze players has been blunted…and include my own outlook in that as well.
McNabb was in an offense where he had basically no receiver or just 1 receiver for his entire career and still put up 32K yards passing, 2-1 TD – INT ratio, 59% completion, several division championshiops, 8 playoff appearances and appearances in half of the NFC Championship games of the last decade.
And he’s 33 or 34. You kidding me. That screams a Rich Gannon 2 scenerio. Just get a Right Tackle and Guard and the offense is competitive…especially with a competent OC>
You have to do this deal if you are the Raiders and you are serious about winning
March 24th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
JR is a waste of time and space. The sooner we get McNabb and cast JR to the trash the better. Even if McNabb coming in is part of trying to get JR to work harder and fulfill his potential, it’s inevitable that JR ends up out of the league, to the CFL perhaps.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
1st rd draft best avail OT (not Campbell)hopefully Williams
2nd or 3rd rd best avail MLB
Sign FA T.O.
Dump/restructure Russell
Just Win Baby!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:08 pm
i’d cut jr in a heartbeat as well.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
raideredoutL.A. Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
jersey fan, nobody even wants to pony up a 3rd for kirk
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I live in Eagles country & their LB situation is worse than ours. They’d be extatic to get Morrison in Philly
March 24th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Morrison + #40 overall for McNabb, done deal.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
SnB,
Will you agree with me that we dont have an Oline for a hotshot QB? C’mon man, we have Barnes on the right side now with Pears as his backup.
You’re looking at this the wrong way.
We need a mobile QB. Just give me a stable and mediocre QB and build the frickin line. Garcia had some great years in SF. SF was stupid to get rid of him in the first place. Garcia put up great numbers and made 3 consecutive probowls while in SF from 01-03.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
80.
And he’s 33 or 34. You kidding me. That screams a Rich Gannon 2 scenerio. Just get a Right Tackle and Guard and the offense is competitive…especially with a competent OC>
You have to do this deal if you are the Raiders and you are serious about winning
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this really is not a gannon scenerio… for one McChunky has a TON OF MILES on him… rich held a clipboard for years and had fresh legs on him..#2 our line is very suspect nothing like it looked back in 2000…#3 McChunky wants to play for a winner in this stage of his career not be part of a loser like we are…he may veto the deal
March 24th, 2010 at 6:16 pm
-Trade M Huff for McNabb.
-Trade up for Suh
-Draft Best in the 2nd, Spikes in the 3rd, and J Ford in the 4th. Draft OL and FB with the other 4 picks.
I have a Dream!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Morrison or Howard and a 2nd Rounder for McNabb and their 4th Rounder.
Done deal!
Then the old man Al either picks an OT at #8 or TRADES DOWN and gets more picks!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
but hey what the hell at least make some kind of an offer for him if hes out there…allow them to counter and lets talk some more…
March 24th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Adding Mc Nabb would be the equivalent of adding light to see in the dark in this organization right now. No brainer.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
We do have 2 picks in the 7th RD, correct?
March 24th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Aig,
When has Davis done his best work? Its been with QBs on the their 2nd career….Plunkett, Gannon, Blanda. that’s it. only QB he developed was Stabler.
QBs of McNabb’s caliber just don’t come around often. I am not interested in watching Garciakowski or any QB like them. I want a high caliber player in the position.
As for the O-Line…Henderson and Gallery are just fine on the left side….the line needs a Right Tackle. Draft one in the 2nd round and that should take care of that. As far as RG, that shouldn’t be hard to get someone in their serviceable.
McNabb knows how to move around in the pocket and can still pull the ball down. He’s a leader, he played in more meaningful games in half a season that the Raiders have played in almost a decade.
I don’t have any interest in watching middling players anymore.
Fargas, Gerard Warren, Gradkowski, TErdell Sands, Morrison, Routt….Raider Nation has to realize that these guys just cant play.
Get me McNabb 1st….then we can figure out what to do in the draft and free agency to get the line better.
In fact, go ahead and use a 1st rounder on the RT. With McNabb we will have a competitive offense.
If we stick with JaDavis or Gradkowski, then the 1st rounder has to go to Dan Williams because the offense will be garbage
March 24th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
SnB,
Will you agree with me that we dont have an Oline for a hotshot QB? C’mon man, we have Barnes on the right side now with Pears as his backup.
You’re looking at this the wrong way.
We need a mobile QB. Just give me a stable and mediocre QB and build the frickin line. Garcia had some great years in SF. SF was stupid to get rid of him in the first place. Garcia put up great numbers and made 3 consecutive probowls while in SF from 01-03.
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He was also throwing to TO. Doesn’t matter though. Grads isn’t Jeff Garcia just because you say so. Bottom line is this team is not a qb away from contending. Keeping the group of qbs we have forces us to make improvements to the other positions. Signing McNabb may placate the fans for a while, but we’ll suck if we dont get the line, running game and wrs fixed. If you don’t believe, just look at what happened to Chicago last year.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:22 pm
McNabb would be instant upgrade for this team at the troublesome QB position.
Or trade a 3rd, one of the two 5th rounders and Howard for McNabb and their 4th rounder. Howard is the type of LB the Eagles need!
Done deal!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
What’s more concerning to me is that a lot of you guys really think Gradkowski is a decent QB?
2 games? Come on man!
Why do Raider fans love watching sorry players play….Gradkowski, JaDavis, Fargas, Warren, Morrison, Howard, Terdell Sands, Tommy Kelly, Cornell Green, Carlisle, Routt, Ricky Brown…Javon Walker..these guys can’t play.
You see what happens when the Raiders finally cut these guys…they end up out of the league.
Put Gradkowski on waivers and he is scrambling just to get a camp invite.
2-games don’t mean squat…and he was his plodding self in the 3rd one…please don’t elevate a backup QB, maybe 3rd sring QB…to anything more….JUST BECAUSE JADAVIS IS TERRIBLE DOES NOT MAKE GRADKOWSKI JACK…
Gradkowski over McNabb? Give me a break!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
RaiderDebo,
Chicago is a perfect example.
SnB,
Gannon was a nobody when we got him. Your list of succesful QB’s under Al were all no names. Anytime Al paid for a hotshot QB, it had not worked out. Jeff George and that other dude we got from Houston comes to mind.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
# dickv Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 5:45 pm
When the raiders moved back those same people came back buying tickets…
the raiders never sold out the LA Memeroial Coliseum so brining it back to a smaller stadium with better parking lots and a real transit system was a great move… for the ticket holders
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Lol…yeah that didn’t last long. Season ticket sales for the Raiders are pretty much NON-EXISTENT now and the old looney man probably does realize he needs to do something to TRY and get people to buy season tickets.
If Grads is trying to tell us fans to go out and buy season tickets….then something is seriously wrong. LOL
March 24th, 2010 at 6:29 pm
SnB,
this is where you are wrong again.
1. Is mcNabb goign to be happy to be here?
2. Has he ever been known as a team leader? NO. Did guys stand up for him when TO was on his case? No.
3. McNabb is a hotshot QB that should go to Arizona. We are not the right place for him.
4. We have holes everywhere and having a unhappy QB is not the answer.
Tell you what talk is cheap. I will prove to be right when the season start and Grad has a good year this year. i was right a few times this past year. I am sure to get lucky again and we can leave it at that.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:25 pm
What’s more concerning to me is that a lot of you guys really think Gradkowski is a decent QB?
2 games? Come on man!
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Well Kevin Kolb has ONE good game under his belt, and people seem to think he may be better than McNabb.
Kolb 4 TD’s 7 INT’s in his career.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
MCNABB AND TERRELL OWENS WILL BE RE-UNITED
March 24th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
Would Al Davis scrap his offense for the West Coast offense McNabb runs?
Or would he drop McNabb into his kindergarden offense Russell has to deal with?
March 24th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Vegas,
Kevin Kolb was drafted by Philly in the 2nd round. Philly has cultivated and developed this kid. Andy Reid, a competent coach and evaluator, knows what he has in Kolb.
Bruce Gradkowski was drafted by Tampa Bay in the sixth round. He was cut by three teams that all needed QBs. Jon Gruden, a competent coach and evaluators, knew what he had in “Grads” and cut him….then he couldn’t stick in Cleveland or even make camp with St. Louis.
“Grads” LMAO…flashes for two games..played ok in 1, lousy in another, and well in a third…so what….
How many QBs have flashed for a game or two…only to be badly exposed as horrible QBs.
I can’t believe you guys in here. You guys are smart fans too. Gradkowski is no answer and I stand pretty confidently in saying that.
Just like JT O’Sullivan, Frank Reich, Jon Kitna, Tom Tupa, Shaun Hill, Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick…..and on and on and on….these guys leave you on the side of the freekn road.
I’d rather see them go ahead with JaDavis over Gradkowski based on RAW talent and potential alone.
I have no interest in watching Gradkowski have a 5 or 6 year stint as a fiery leader that average 5 or 6 wins a season with maybe one 9-7 thrown in there.
no way
Draft someone if Gradkowski is the best we can do…and over Donavan McNabb no less.. are you freekn serious……..have you seen the talent that McNabb has been surrounded with in his career…PUHLEEZE
Get him in here…he’ll get over the initial disappointment…then he will see a Pro-Bowl Caliber Tight end..and say…”I can work with this” then he’ll see a hungry Louis Murphy bustn his azz to get better and McNabb will say “I can work with this” and he’ll see JLH’s catch and run ability and Michael Bush’s running style and DMAC’s hands….then Hue Jackson will tell McNabb that we will shore up the RT position before OTAs start.
Then we have a freekn offense.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Aig… You can’t be serious when you say McNabb isn’t a leader. The Eagles have been pretty damned good for several years now, and they have been McNabb’s team ever since he took over the starting job. He’s been the face of the freakin’ franchise for over ten years! As far as the TO situation, I don’t think the players wanted any part of that mess publicly, and it’s pure speculation on your part to say they didn’t have his back within the team.
Now, you may have a point when you say that he might not want to come here, but I’m pretty sure Al doesn’t do the deal if he knows McNabb doesn’t want to be a Raider, and you can bet that he asks him first.
How many head coaches in the NFL do you suppose would choose Gradkowski over McNabb right now, to lead their team on the field? The answer to that question should be pretty obvious.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
If McNabb is so great, then why is he always mentioned as the guy that should exit Philly for a few years now? Do the folks in Philly know something that the rest of the league doesnt know? I mean they absolutely loved Brian Dawkins there but yet Philly fans have never embraced McNabb. AJ feely looked great in their system. kolb looked great in that system. Garcia looked great in that system. Perhaps, it’s their system that made McNabb so great. I dont know but it sure is interesting.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:48 pm
MCNABB ALWAYS HAS PHILLY IN THE PLAYOFFS JUST NOT THE BIG DANCE
March 24th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Andy Reid and McNabb are supposedly close. He wouldn’t do that to McNabb, send him to Oakland that is.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
Since no one is paying attention:
McNabb’s career:
8 playoff appearances out of a possible 11
5 of those 8 went to at least the NFC Championship game…restated, McNabb has played in half of all NFC Championship games in the last decade
1 Super Bowl Appearance
Also played in the NFC East…sure, no big games there
Oh, his leading receivers in each of the years he’s started courtesy of http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/
Chad Lewis, Charles Johnson, Torrance Small
James Thrash, Freddie Mitchell lol
Todd Pinkston
Todd Pinkston
T.O
T.O
Reggie Brown
Kevin Curtis
DeSean Jackson (R)
DeSean Jackson
And now DeSean Jackson is a star and Jeremy Maclin (unlike DHB) is on his way too.
Sure, let’s roll with Bruce Gradkowski or JaDavis…Puhleeeze!!!!!
March 24th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
NFL IS A BUSINESS NOT A BUDDY SYSTEM ,IF THERE WAS MONEY IN IT HE WOULD SEND HIS MOTHER TO OAKLAND
March 24th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Kell,
I agree, and that’s the hangup with the whole thing. I’d leave it up to McNabb; he’s earned the right to say yes or no to a deal like that.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Teach,
Sorry but McNabb has never been mentioned as a leader the way Brian Dawkins was. if you find something on google, then please post it.
A leader doesnt get benched in the middle of the season. A leader doesnt tell you that he didnt know the OT rule. He also had another gaffe against the Raiders last year when he didnt realize it was 4th down.
I’d rather keep my 1st round and 2nd roudn for a DT and OT.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
I THINK THE RAIDERS WILL GET A QB IN THE DRAFT {TONY PIKE}
March 24th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Aig… see post #108. If you can find someone on our roster that can top that, I’ll stand down on bringing McNabb in here.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Andy Reid and McNabb are supposedly close. He wouldn’t do that to McNabb, send him to Oakland that is.
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In a heartbeat he would do it. Everybody knows AD overpays everyone so he shoulkd feel bad about setting McNabb up for a raise. Besides, there is a lot of young talent on this squad. If AD will draft correctly (i.e. DT, OT, C, MLB, OG, PR/KR, CB) and add one or two key FA like Malwae, this team would be very competitive. Mc Nabb would actually be better off here than other places. Just my opinion.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
McNabb is better than any other QB on the Raider roster right now and better than anyone else the Raiders would be able to get as a stop gap for at least 4 more years.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Competitive players want to win. Not just collect paychecks from Al Davis.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Teach,
Who on our roster is going to keep McNabb from getting blown up? You want Al to send a 2nd and 4th to Philly for a guy that we will not be able to keep from the IR list?
March 24th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Vegas,
Kevin Kolb was drafted by Philly in the 2nd round. Philly has cultivated and developed this kid. Andy Reid, a competent coach and evaluator, knows what he has in Kolb.
Bruce Gradkowski was drafted by Tampa Bay in the sixth round. He was cut by three teams that all needed QBs. Jon Gruden, a competent coach and evaluators, knew what he had in “Grads” and cut him….then he couldn’t stick in Cleveland or even make camp with St. Louis.
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Just goes to show how bad JR is. He can’t even beat out this guy, cant learn more than him, cant throw better than him, cant run an offense better than him, cant read coverages or make good decisions in the QB better than him. Worst QB ever.
March 24th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
ANY QB ON THE THE RAIDERS IS GOING TO LOOK BAD IF YOUR ALWAYS STARTING ON YOUR 20 YARD LINE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE A KICK RETURNER
March 24th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
*in the pocket* ^^
March 24th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
SnB,
You really think Bruce would get “5-6 years of 5-6 wins with a 9-7 sprinkled in”? What team on earth would even allow a 1st round pick that lee-way? Nobody. LMAO at that one. One year of 6 wins and I am pretty sure everybody will be over Bruce, although that would be our best year in 8 frkn years.
So what Kolb was a 2nd round pick? Fargas was a 3rd and Bush was a 4th, maybe we should have played Fargas more. And while we are at it, maybe elevate JLH over Murphy because he was picked higher.
Kolb has worse stats than Bruce, while playing for a perennial SB contender. Bruce has played for the NFL’s worst, the 3 teams he was cut from, are picking ahead of us this year.
I never have said that Bruce deserve to be given anything but a chance, and should have to earn what he gets. I am just 98% confident he will outplay Russell this offseason and preseason. And if that happens, he should start. If he doesn’t, he shouldn’t.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
THEY SHOULD SIGN RONNIE BROWN FROM MIAMI AND GO TO THE WILDCAT
March 24th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
fat kidd Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
ANY QB ON THE THE RAIDERS IS GOING TO LOOK BAD IF YOUR ALWAYS STARTING ON YOUR 20 YARD LINE BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE A KICK RETURNER
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Amen to that. When 80 yard drives aren’t your thing, you have to find a way to stop having to go 80 yards.
Draft Javier Arenas in the 3rd!!!! Best kick-returner in college, and All-America first-team DB.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
Aig… Let me make sure I understand you. Are you saying that we shouldn’t bring McNabb to Oakland because we have a problem protecting the passer? You do know that we won’t be trading the entire draft for him, don’t you?
Additionally, if it’s me I’d rather have a guy that can read defenses quickly and know what to do with the ball than a journeyman that’s been cut by several teams, and a young guy that isn’t yet ready to play.
I don’t even know why I’m debating you on this. McNabb is light years ahead of ANYBODY on the Raiders’ roster right now, and I sure don’t see anybody better out there, either.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
GG,
Yup, shows how downright pathetic the whole situation in Oakland has been
March 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
McNabb would be handicapped by the same stupid system as every other Raider QB.
In case you haven’t noticed, QB’s don’t do well here.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
SIGN ADAM PACMAN JONES THAT GIVES YOU A KICK RETUNER AND A CORNER BACK THEN SEE WHAT KIND OF PICKS YOU CAN GET FOR NAMDI
March 24th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
fat kidd Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
SIGN ADAM PACMAN JONES THAT GIVES YOU A KICK RETUNER AND A CORNER BACK
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Agreed
March 24th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
Kell,
Last time we actually had one he took us to a Super Bowl.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
I would love it if we get McNabb without giving up our 1st round pick.
Then pick a left offensive tackle in the first round, and a defensive tackle in the second round.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Of course McNabb is better than anyone on the roster. I don’t think anyone is debating that.
But if you just look at the player and nothing else….well you turn into Al Davis.
Ask yourself, what would the Patriots do? No way do they pay Russell $9 million dollars, and no way do they give up a 2nd round pick or better for a guy who is 33 and in the last year of his contract.
The business side of the aspect, makes McNabb less favorably. He has one year left, and wants a new deal. You have to give up picks for him. You already paid a QB $40 million dollars and guaranteed another almost $2 million for this year.
In that aspect, McNabb makes very little sense. Who are the two teams trying to trade for McNabb? Raiders and Rams? Figures.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
McNabb would be handicapped by the same stupid system as every other Raider QB.
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Maybe. and if that happens we are no worse off than we are now.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
# aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Teach,
Who on our roster is going to keep McNabb from getting blown up? You want Al to send a 2nd and 4th to Philly for a guy that we will not be able to keep from the IR list?
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We’ll Juggs will get fatter and fatter and not care and Grads will get hurt also….so what is your point?
McNabb will still be better than anyone else the Raiders would be able to sign, draft or trade for this year or next year.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:13 pm
Gannon succeeded with Jon Gruden’s offense.
Jon Gruden aint here anymore.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
YOU CAN GET MCNABB WITH A FIRST ROUND PICK THEN TRADE ASOUGHMWA AND GET IT BACK.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Hey Fat Kidd,
Who does your alleged sources say the old man will look to draft with that #8 pick?
March 24th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
Pacman Jones sucks. Didn’t you guys see him in Dallas?
He was terrible, even worse than JLH returning punts. Under 5 yards a return, 2 fumbles in 9 games.
Pacman sucks. If he could play still, he would be on a team.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
The First Step in any Raider recovery, is wheeling Al Davis aside.
Until that happens No Randy Moss, NcNabb, Sapp, Seymour is going to matter one iota of a difference.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Teach,
When have you ever known the Raiders to be ripping somebody off on a trade? We have consistently overpaid for players we wanted. We paid more than other teams to get Seymour and Wimbley. Do you really think Al has the leverage to just drop a 2nd rounder? No if we get McNabb, All will at least drop a 2nd and 4th for McNabb.
You have not answered my quesetion about who is going to keep him upright throughout the season.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
GG,
Yup, shows how downright pathetic the whole situation in Oakland has been
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Problem is we’re so used to bums like JR or cheap labor like Collins, Walter, McCown, etc, we over-rate when someone like Gradkowski does ok for a couple games. We start getting as bad as Davis with all the “Gannon” “Plunkett” comparisons. Which is part of Davis’ problem, always relying on the same formula working all the time. Signing guys like Brooks, Collins, Gradkowski, Frye etc is rarely going to get you a Plunkett or Gannon. Same problem with the OL and DL—Davis always looking for cheap labor with little talent. Instead of drafting young linemen every season, i mean at least 3 per season, because you need to keep upping the talent level of the lines seasonally.
Right thru this team are a couple of things—cheap talentless labor, or, young projects on scholarship that arent committed to winning or being pros, or just outright suck as football players but have good measurables.
There is very little on our roster worth holding onto in all honesty.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
BEFORE THE DRAFT THEY WILL TRADE AWAY THE 8TH PICK,STAY TUNED
March 24th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
McNabb would obviously be an upgrade over anything we’ve had at QB in a long time. I have always kind of felt that he was a bit of a dork though.
Assuming this deal doesn’t go down — which it definitely still could — I’d still like to see us sign Troy Smith away from Baltimore for a 5th round pick. Then figure Smith and Gradkowski would be on the roster with JaMarcus having the off-season and preseason to turn things around and be the 3rd guy to stick — even though in that scenario there’s a good chance JaMarcus would not only stick, but start. But if JaMarcus continues to flounder it’s time to jettison his $9.5 million salary and go with Gradkowski, Smith and Frye.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:18 pm
Kirk Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:11 pm
I would love it if we get McNabb without giving up our 1st round pick.
Then pick a left offensive tackle in the first round, and a defensive tackle in the second round.
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Exactly Kirk. The Raiders might be able to land McNabb for a 2nd and 3rd rounder….actually, I would give up the 1st rounder and see if we can’t extract an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder from the Eagles.
Then I cut/restructure Tommy Kelly, Michael Huff and JaDavis if cash flow is an issue. Then I give their money to McNabb. I draft an OT with my 1st 2nd rounder and a DT with my 2nd one.
That way Davis won’t draft Bruce Campbell. Who would be an unmitigated disaster here.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Have to disagree with you, Vegas. If the Patriots were paying a guy 9 million dollars and he wasn’t ready to play they would absolutely bring in an older professional to help the team win games and bring the young guy along.
It’s called protecting your investment.
As I said before, I wouldn’t give up a ton to get the guy, but I can’t think of a better veteran to help Russell along, and help this team be competetive at the same time.
Which is what they should have done from the beginning, in my view.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
JAMARCUS WILL BE AROUND FOR AT LEAST ONE MORE SEASON ,BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TROY SMITH OR TONY PIKE REPLACE FRYE
March 24th, 2010 at 7:21 pm
nite boys. good talking to you.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
# fat kidd Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
BEFORE THE DRAFT THEY WILL TRADE AWAY THE 8TH PICK,STAY TUNED
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Trading up….or trading down??
Only player they should trade up for is Suh!
March 24th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
GG POst #140
You just nailed it! Gradkowski flashes a little something and yells and screams while doing it and everyone goes crazy. But the truth is everything has been so crummy that people grasp at anything.
You are right about the talent too. Been thinking the same thing.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
TRADING FOR A FREE AGENT WITH THE 8TH PICK THEN GETTING SOMEONE ELSES FIRST ROUND PICK FOR NAMHDI ASOUGMWA
March 24th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
edward teach Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:19 pm
Have to disagree with you, Vegas. If the Patriots were paying a guy 9 million dollars and he wasn’t ready to play they would absolutely bring in an older professional to help the team win games and bring the young guy along.
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Let me know the next time the Pats have a guy making $9 million dollars on the bench.
And let me know the next time the Pats give up early draft picks for a guy in his 30’s with one year left on his deal.
Not happening.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:27 pm
Trading for a free agent??
There are hardly any good free agents out there right now.
I read what you said about Pac Man coming here….what a terrible reach that would be….almost as bad as reaching for DHB last year! LOL
March 24th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
All of this is wishful thinking. If McNabb is indeed traded…he’ll end up in Arizona, Minnesota, San Fran or Carolina…something like that.
BTW, why didn’t Seattle pick up Bruce Gradkowski instead of Charlie Whitehurst. They could have had Bruce for a 2nd rounder and $1.7 million…instead they went after a 3rd string QB who hasn’t thrown an NFL regular season pass by swapping a high 2nd rounder for a low 2nd rounder AND a 3rd round pick and then paid him $10 million.
Oh, and Arizona tried to get Whitehurst too.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
THE PATS HAVE NOT BEEN MAKUNG GOOD DECISIONS LATELY THATS WHY RANDY MOSS WANTS OUT
March 24th, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Pac-Man would be a better kick returner than Gary Russell
March 24th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 6:42 pm
If McNabb is so great, then why is he always mentioned as the guy that should exit Philly for a few years now? Do the folks in Philly know something that the rest of the league doesnt know? I mean they absolutely loved Brian Dawkins there but yet Philly fans have never embraced McNabb. AJ feely looked great in their system. kolb looked great in that system. Garcia looked great in that system. Perhaps, it’s their system that made McNabb so great. I dont know but it sure is interesting.
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Philly always seemed to win games without McNabb. I mean A.J. Feely led them to the playoffs when he got hurt. Philly just plain has it figured out over there. The defense has always been strong, great OL and an OC/HC that gets it. I’m for the status quo. But if he comes, I only want him here for two years at the most, then give JR back the keys.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:29 pm
All of this is wishful thinking. If McNabb is indeed traded…he’ll end up in Arizona, Minnesota, San Fran or Carolina…something like that.
BTW, why didn’t Seattle pick up Bruce Gradkowski instead of Charlie Whitehurst. They could have had Bruce for a 2nd rounder and $1.7 million…instead they went after a 3rd string QB who hasn’t thrown an NFL regular season pass by swapping a high 2nd rounder for a low 2nd rounder AND a 3rd round pick and then paid him $10 million.
Oh, and Arizona tried to get Whitehurst too.
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Because SD suckered them! haha
March 24th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
As I said in my first post on thsi subject, Vegas, I’m not of the opinion that we should give up a ton to get McNabb. If the price is right and it fits within the draft plan, fine. If not, we pass.
Andy Reid is blowing smoke. He (and everybody else) knows that McNabb is on the downside of his career. He can still contribute, but they’re ready for the Kolb era over there and the world knows it.
All this talk about high draft picks for McNabb is just that, talk. IF McNabb gets traded I think it’ll be for less than people think, and for some of the very reasons you pointed out.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Btw, DTs drafted in the first round bust more frequently than QBs in the first round. Something to be wary about. They dont have to come in the first, but we need to focus on pumping young drafted linemen thru the roster.
All our starters right now on the OL are back-up worthy. Gallery is getting old and brittle now too. As for the DL…Kelly should be a back-up NG. Seymour naturally is a top UT/DE talent. Shaugnessy is coming along fine, Scott is a bit iffy, but a good back-up RE.
CBs…Asomugha/Johnson are ok, Routt isnt Nickel CB worthy. Huff is ok back-up. Branch is excellent. Mitchell jury still out, needs time. LBs are all mediocre. WR, can only really hang a hat on Murphy right now. Schilens gets injured too often, but is a possible good one. DHB, still needs time, didnt like the pick, but gotta give him 3 years before judging (like Russell has been given). RB, McFadden probably better off as a WR, Bush is ok. No other RB on the roster (Jahvid Best should be in our sights). TE, Miller and Myers very good. QBs, all rubbish.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
Raider O,Im on record as sayin that the Raiders need a GM or Im out for season tickets,now, if McNabb were brought in,got to think about it for,like, 10 seconds. Heck Ya,sign him,a very good QB, not sure if JRuss would be here,do it! Not sure AL could pay them both,roll the dice,tired of losing,period. Still need a GM GM GM GM GM GM GM RAIDERS!!!!!
March 24th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
SnB,
Isn’t giving up a 3rd and swapping in the second, about the same as giving up a 2nd?
And the Seahawks have a rookie GM and coach. I think they will regret this Whitehurst deal.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
FREE AGENTS THAT ARE NOT GOOD KEVIN MAWAE,TERRELL OWENS ,BRIAN WESTBROOK,TELL ME THAT IN 10 YEARS WHEN I AM LOOKING AT THEM IN THE HALL OF FAME
March 24th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Maybe Russell spent some time with McNabb in Arizona while he was there.
We’ll see if Bruce is really a team player when he has to give that #5 up.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
# fat kidd Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
FREE AGENTS THAT ARE NOT GOOD KEVIN MAWAE,TERRELL OWENS ,BRIAN WESTBROOK,TELL ME THAT IN 10 YEARS WHEN I AM LOOKING AT THEM IN THE HALL OF FAME
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ALL have peaked!
Mawae is broken IMO….and he as two more years max IF he is lucky.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
IF THEY WERE TO GET MCNABB HE MIGHT HOLD OUT LIKE SEYMOUR DID.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
WHITEHURST IS JUST AS GOOD AS RIVERS BUT MADE LESS MONEY THATS WHY HE WAS ON THE BENCH
March 24th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
# fat kidd Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
WHITEHURST IS JUST AS GOOD AS RIVERS BUT MADE LESS MONEY THATS WHY HE WAS ON THE BENCH
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Saying Whitehurst “IS” as good as Rivers is a BOLD statement…..especially since the guy hasn’t started one NFL regular season game yet. LOL
March 24th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
HOLD ON! WHY IN THE #### ARE WE, RAIDER NATION ASKING WHAT WOULD THE PATRIOTS DO? THE F-ING PATRIOTS?!? I CAN BARELY TYPE THOSE LETTERS W/O BREAKING SOMETHING! I STILL HAVEN’T & PROBABLY NEVER WILL BE ABLE TO RESPECT/LIKE ANYTHING PATRIOTS AFTER THAT TUCK-RULE DEBACLE….WHAT AOULD THE PATS DO? WHO THE HELL CARES!
WE’RE THE RAIDERS & WE DO THINGS OUR (AL’S) WAY…2 HELL WITH THE PATS & WHAT THEY’D DO!
tHEY’D CHEAT, THAT’S WHAT THEY’D DO.
March 24th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
504 Raider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
Maybe Russell spent some time with McNabb in Arizona while he was there.
We’ll see if Bruce is really a team player when he has to give that #5 up.
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Huh??? What the hell is he gonna do about it? The guy is lucky to be on an nfl roster!
March 24th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
The Rams reportedly have made an offer for Donovan McNabb
March 24th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Has Bruce ever not been on a NFL roster?
Why is he lucky Debo? Was he not the most productive QB to come off the bench for any team last year? He won Offensive Player of the Week for christ sakes!! One of only 17 guys in the league. You don’t think any team would bring him in if he hit the street in FA this offseason?
March 24th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
GG Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:16 pm
# SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
GG,
Yup, shows how downright pathetic the whole situation in Oakland has been
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Problem is we’re so used to bums like JR or cheap labor like Collins, Walter, McCown, etc, we over-rate when someone like Gradkowski does ok for a couple games. We start getting as bad as Davis with all the “Gannon” “Plunkett” comparisons. Which is part of Davis’ problem, always relying on the same formula working all the time. Signing guys like Brooks, Collins, Gradkowski, Frye etc is rarely going to get you a Plunkett or Gannon. Same problem with the OL and DL—Davis always looking for cheap labor with little talent. Instead of drafting young linemen every season, i mean at least 3 per season, because you need to keep upping the talent level of the lines seasonally.
Right thru this team are a couple of things—cheap talentless labor, or, young projects on scholarship that arent committed to winning or being pros, or just outright suck as football players but have good measurables.
There is very little on our roster worth holding onto in all honesty.
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Jury’s still out on Gradkowski but he was 2-1 against 3 good teams with the one loss coming on a 3-day turnaround to play in Dallas on Thanksgiving. The game he got hurt in against the Redskins I think he was having his best game yet. He really looked to be getting better every week. No one is saying to pay him franchise QB money but he showed some flashes when he got his chance to start.
I also disagree that the rest of the roster is garbage. We have a few holes. We have an excellent young TE. Huff was great (finally) in 2009. Branch is looking like a diamond in the rough. Nnamdi is probably the best CB in the league. Seymour is a top-notch player. Scott and Shaughnessy and even Desmond Bryant have a lot of potential. Chris Johnson is highly underrated and is one of the best No. 2 CBs in the league IMO. Schilens and Murphy are young WRs who play hard and have a lot of potential. Gallery is one of the better guards in the league. Bush and McFadden could be one of the best 1-2 punches in the league if we have competent QB play to keep defenses honest and reasonably improved o-line play. Lechler is the best punter in the NFL. Seabass was the best kicker in the NFL last year.
That’s a lot to work with.
Keys are we have to:
1) Get much, much better QB play than we’ve seen since Gannon. QB is exponentially more important than any other position in an organization and when your QB play stinks so does your team’s record.
2) Improve the o-line. Too many journeymen and sub-par players.
3) Get an anchor for the front 7 on defense. Either a mammoth DT, a run-stuffing MLB or both to improve the run D.
4) Get a legitimate KR and hope JLH regains his form as a punt returner.
Other than those 4 areas we’re in the best shape we’ve been in in a long time and in better shape than a lot of teams in this league. But those areas definitely do need addressing. Doesn’t mean the entire roster sux though.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Bruce has been cut from the worst teams in football.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Jersey,
I hate the Patriots more than anybody. I bring up their analogy, because they probably approach the game from a business point of view more than any team. That’s why they won a bunch of Super Bowls, have one of the nicest new stadiums and are as profitable as any team in the league.
We suck, haven’t won dck in years, are barely profitable and have the worst stadium in the league.
You have to approach the game with at least a little business sense.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Bruce has been cut from the worst teams in football.
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I am perfectly OK doing the opposite of the Bucs, Rams and Browns. Not exactly the NFL mensa club.
Last I checked they pick ahead of us in April.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Bruce has been cut from the worst teams in football.
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I am perfectly OK doing the opposite of the Bucs, Rams and Browns. Not exactly the NFL mensa club.
Last I checked they pick ahead of us in April.
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Harumph. Harumph.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
Boston College center Tennant taking center stage before the eyes of silver-and-black officials.
Tennant started 41 straight games for the Golden Eagles the past three seasons and is regarded as one of the top center prospects in the NFL Draft next month
March 24th, 2010 at 8:11 pm
VEGAS,
I HEAR WHAT UR TRYING TO SAY BUT USE PITTSBURG, INDY ANYBODY BUT THE STINKIN PATS.
I HATE THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO FOR THE RECORD, YOU’RE AGAINST BRINGING IN MCNAB FOR MORRISON & THE 2ND ROUNDER?
March 24th, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Kool,
Can you think of any player personnel moves the Rams, Browns or Buccs have hit out of the park lately?
Those 3 with the Raiders, screw just about everything up of late.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Jersey,
Sorry, we will use the Steelers from now on. Smaller market, very business like as well. Hell Rooney is some type of ambassador these days.
No, I will pass on that deal. I would roll with Bruce and Jamarcus, and hopefully nail the draft. If McNabb had a few more years on his deal, I would probably reconsider. But not with one year on the deal. Than what, franchise him next year like Seymour?
March 24th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
the raiders have made some good moves (louis murphy}chaz schilens)richard seymour!
March 24th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Has Bruce ever not been on a NFL roster?
Why is he lucky Debo? Was he not the most productive QB to come off the bench for any team last year? He won Offensive Player of the Week for christ sakes!! One of only 17 guys in the league. You don’t think any team would bring him in if he hit the street in FA this offseason?
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I say he’s lucky because an old position coach happened to be here and got him a CHANCE to fight for the 3rd qb job. If he was on the street tomorrow, I’m convinced he’d be watching football from home in 2010.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:19 pm
You all are REALLY on the ball! LOL. Still talking about McNabb coming to Oak? Hell he nixed that LOOOOOOONNNNG ago. Bills and Raiders are his DO NOT TRADE TO list according to Jon Clayton.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
Louis Murphy and Chaz Schillens? Yeah, theyre just great! LOL!!
March 24th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
We’re just talkin’, Ron. It doesn’t matter what we think in the grand scheme anyway. Al’s going to do what Al wants to do.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:22 pm
VEGAS,
BETTER, PITTSBURG IS BETTER (IMACULATE RECEPTION NOT WITHSTANDING). I TRY TO GET EXCITED ABOUT GRADS’ PROGRESS LAST YEAR, BUT ITS DIFFICULT TO HANG MY HAT ON HIM & TRULY BE OPTIMISTIC, BUT I WILL IF THIS ALL PASSES. I CAN HOWEVER GET EXCITED ABOUT BRINGING IN A BONA FIDE PROFESSIONAL, POSSIBLE HOF’R WHO “GETS IT” & MAKES OUR TEAM 3-4 WINS BETTER FROM DAY 1. WE’LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS, BUT I’M ALL FOR IT IF IT ONLY COSTS US A 2ND ROUNDER & A GUY LIKE KIRK WHO SEEMS ON HIS WAY OUT HERE.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Rookie of the Week: Week 13 – Louis Murphy
March 24th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Debo,
That old position coach is one of the most respected at what he does.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:35 pm
vegas raider Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Debo,
That old position coach is one of the most respected at what he does.
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Guess that depends on who you talk to. But that really doesn’t matter. My point is that Grads got helped out a buddy. How many more of those opportunities are out there for him? He has an attitude of gratitude, and he should.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:36 pm
the raiders should get busy signing cable to a long term contract ,he is got the team heading in the right direction
March 24th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
Fat Kidd, the jig is up. There have been alot better Trolls in here than you. Try again. Your rediculous comments show you for what you are.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Debo,
Glad to see you also recognize that the Philly system makes Qb look good. I remember Miami gave up a 2nd rounder for Feely only to cut him not so long after.
On Grad, he’s a young guy so I count his struggles since entering the league as development. However, I felt like this year he grew alot and became better and better as he played more. The players respect him and you dont need a big arm to win in this league. You need a better brain.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
Man, I give up on this Gradkowski adoration. Good grief
2 games folks…2 games from a doggone journeyman QB. That scenerio has played itself out sooooo many times. Remember a guy named Scott Mitchell?
Good grief…one more time…just because JaDavis was terrible does not make Gradkowski any good.
Do you guys have any idea how many journeyman QBs have had a decent game here or there?
God help us when the opponents really game plan this guy and expose the weaknesses that led Jon Gruden to cut him
March 24th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
I think Billy Jo Hobert gave the RAiders a couple of good games…..
March 24th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
the raiders will make the playoffs this year or i will eat raiderrons shorts
March 24th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Does it not concern you that no one made an offer on this great QB…..all they had to do was cough up a 2nd round pick and $1.7 million.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
So the Rams, Bills and Raiders are all interested in McNabb. WOW!
Donovan must feel like a kid on Christmas morning.
” Are you sure the Cowboys don’t want me? How ’bout Washington? Did they call at least?”
March 24th, 2010 at 8:54 pm
Northern D,
Most teams either already have a good QB or are developing a promising starter.
Minnesota is waiting to see what Favre will do and I will bet that Arizona is seriously considering it…San Fran too
March 24th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Bruce Gradkowski = Josh McCown
March 24th, 2010 at 8:57 pm
SnB,
Yeah, but it would be a real kick in the teeth for McNabb to go play in those towns. Thanks for all the trips to the playoffs, don’t let the door hit you in the azz on the way out.
Oh, yeah, I’ll also need your pass card back. Thanks.
March 24th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Debo,
Glad to see you also recognize that the Philly system makes Qb look good. I remember Miami gave up a 2nd rounder for Feely only to cut him not so long after.
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The system makes the QB look good? With all that receiving talent over the years?
5 NFC Championship games in 10 years…..we haven’t won 5 games in a season in almost 10 years….
If you don’t like McNabb…just leave it at that…don’t start reaching out there like he’s Josh McCown or Duante Culpepper. Please….
There are only 3 QBs that one could say is definitively better…..Brady, Manning and Brees.
If McNabb gets a SB…then you are talking HOF
March 24th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Does it not concern you that no one made an offer on this great QB…..all they had to do was cough up a 2nd round pick and $1.7 million.
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No. Teams don’t part with 2nd round picks lightly. A multiple Pro Bowl QB like McNabb is talked about being dealt for a 2nd rounder. Wasn’t Anquan Boldin just traded for a 2nd rounder (or even lower, I can’t quite remember). Doesn’t mean Gradkowski won’t emerge. Teams just haven’t seen enough to make that kind of investment.
I can tell you one thing: if he were an unrestricted free agent he’d be signed in a heartbeat. I’m sure his hometown of Pittsburgh would be interested considering Big Ben’s troubles and the hurtin’ Bruce Almighty put on them last year.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:00 pm
It seems like a classic Davis move though. Picking up a veteran QB on the way out. The difference is McNabb never hit bottom like many of the other QB projects he’s tried to reclaim. McNabb is still very productive.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Debo,
Glad to see you also recognize that the Philly system makes Qb look good. I remember Miami gave up a 2nd rounder for Feely only to cut him not so long after.
On Grad, he’s a young guy so I count his struggles since entering the league as development. However, I felt like this year he grew alot and became better and better as he played more. The players respect him and you dont need a big arm to win in this league. You need a better brain.
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Aig,
I’ve been a little skeptical of McNabb for a long time. I’ll say this about Grads. I was very impressed with the 4th qtr of the Pitt game. Even if the pick he threw right to the CB at tbe end had been caught, it was a damn good comeback. But I think the Cincy win was fools gold. He did not play well and Cincy did everything in its power to lose to us. As happy as I was that we won, I knew the JR haters would use it as ammo. JR has shown a flair for the dramatic himself since he’s been here. And the situation he walked into with two rookie WRs, no pass protection and no running game set him up for failure in my opinion. He played much better once Chaz came back and DHB went to the bench. I have no problem with Grads providing some competition, but I think JR deserves another chance. So far, it looks like he’s earning it.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Bruce Gradkowski= superbowl
March 24th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Debo,
Glad to see you also recognize that the Philly system makes Qb look good. I remember Miami gave up a 2nd rounder for Feely only to cut him not so long after.
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The system makes the QB look good? With all that receiving talent over the years?
5 NFC Championship games in 10 years…..we haven’t won 5 games in a season in almost 10 years….
If you don’t like McNabb…just leave it at that…don’t start reaching out there like he’s Josh McCown or Duante Culpepper. Please….
There are only 3 QBs that one could say is definitively better…..Brady, Manning and Brees.
If McNabb gets a SB…then you are talking HOF
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With the odd exception McNabb hasn’t been throwing to HOF’ers during his time in Philly.
Todd Pinkston???
March 24th, 2010 at 9:02 pm
Northern D,
That’s life in the big city.
Joe Montana got moved on, Brett Favre was allowed to walk..Joe Namath wandered around a bit…it happens.
Philly has a plan…they developed this kid and the they have a team that is probably a year or two away from a serious S.B run because of the transition on defense.
When you have a plan you can do a seemless transition like the Eagles and Packers did.
When you are inept and have no plan whatsoever, then you have to make last minute deals in the dark.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:08 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:59 pm
aig Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 8:44 pm
Debo,
Glad to see you also recognize that the Philly system makes Qb look good. I remember Miami gave up a 2nd rounder for Feely only to cut him not so long after.
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The system makes the QB look good? With all that receiving talent over the years?
5 NFC Championship games in 10 years…..we haven’t won 5 games in a season in almost 10 years….
If you don’t like McNabb…just leave it at that…don’t start reaching out there like he’s Josh McCown or Duante Culpepper. Please….
There are only 3 QBs that one could say is definitively better…..Brady, Manning and Brees.
If McNabb gets a SB…then you are talking HOF
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I’d argue that at this point, in addition to those 3, Rodgers, Roethlisberger (legal issues aside), Rivers, Romo and even Favre are better. Eli Manning, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer and Matt Schaub are probably on par with McNabb at this point. That puts McNabb in the 9-14 range of QBs.
No, he’s no McCown, but he’s no longer a top-5 NFL QB in my opinion either. More like borderline top-10.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Chris in NY,
If McNabb wasn’t 34 yrs old and had more than a year on his contract….he’d been gone by now. Anquan Boldin…the issue was more about how much a team would have to pay him in the long-term deal.
Gradkowski is only $1.7mm and would cheerfully sign a long-term deal averaging such.
I don’t hate the guy. I just think Raider Nation is pouring WAY TOO much faith and hope in a guy based one good game and another okay game and completely forget the bad game in Dallas.
Maybe the losing has blunted my enthusiasm for Raider football. I can no longer get excited about potential. Not here…Not in Oakland….its not rational to think Gradkowski goes from fringe 3rd stringer/UFL to full-fledged starting QB leading the team to victory.
WE HAVE ALL SEEN GUYS LIKE JT O’SULLIVAN AND SHAUN HILL.
Let’s just say, Gradkowski gets a chance to compete…and that’s it.
Just because JaDavis is a disaster does not make Gradkowski any good.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:09 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
When you are inept and have no plan whatsoever, then you have to make last minute deals in the dark.
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Any team you have in mind???
After 10 years of trying to get it done in Philly, perhaps it is time to cut bait.
Tennessee came close to the national championship for four years with Manning. Then won it the next year with Tee Martin at QB.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:10 pm
bottom line is the oline has to get better before we can run or throw the ball. when cable was the oline coach we had a very formidable run game. it seems that once the oline was no longer his main priority it has regressed, i believe with jackson in the fold that its going to give cable more time to focus on what he does best. and no i dont mean beating women.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I’d argue that at this point, in addition to those 3, Rodgers, Roethlisberger (legal issues aside), Rivers, Romo and even Favre are better. Eli Manning, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer and Matt Schaub are probably on par with McNabb at this point. That puts McNabb in the 9-14 range of QBs.
No, he’s no McCown, but he’s no longer a top-5 NFL QB in my opinion either. More like borderline top-10.
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Flacco??????????????????
March 24th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
Chris in NY,
That’s just your opinion. The results speak for themselves….
30K yards passing, 2 to 1 TD to INT ratio…59% career passer, 5 NFC Championship Games, 1 super bowl appearance 8 of 11 playoff appearances in the one of the toughest divisions in football.
Those are facts….
What’s Carson Palmer done? He’s had Chad Johnson and T.J to throw too. Tony Romo? Matt Ryan….they have a long way to go before they are in McNabb’s class.
McNabb plays for a city notorious for getting on their players…that’s what it is.
Eagles have had some dominant teams…and McNabb was a key reason for it…especially when you throw the ball 70% of the time and have a running game that’s really a passing game.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
McNabb plays for a city notorious for getting on their players…that’s what it is.
Eagles have had some dominant teams…and McNabb was a key reason for it…especially when you throw the ball 70% of the time and have a running game that’s really a passing game.
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I’ll give you that much SnB.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Fair enough S&B,
I think most fans backing Gradkowski, like myself, are cautiously optimistic that he can be the guy. I don’t think we’d be floored if he turned into another guy who flashed but then turned into another Shaun Hill. I myself am in favor of signing Troy Smith as another option with upside to compete for the starting job.
But along with the Shaun Hills and Scott Mitchells of the landscape, there are the Kurt Warners, Rich Gannons and Jeff Garcias of the NFL who bounce around in obscurity because of their draft position (or lack thereof) and when they finally get a legitimate chance to be the guy they take it and run with it. There’s every bit the chance Gradkowski will emerge as one of those guys as there is he washes out and fades back into journeyman status.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 9:12 pm
I’d argue that at this point, in addition to those 3, Rodgers, Roethlisberger (legal issues aside), Rivers, Romo and even Favre are better. Eli Manning, Flacco, Matt Ryan, Carson Palmer and Matt Schaub are probably on par with McNabb at this point. That puts McNabb in the 9-14 range of QBs.
No, he’s no McCown, but he’s no longer a top-5 NFL QB in my opinion either. More like borderline top-10.
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Flacco??????????????????
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Guy led his team to the AFC Championship game as a rookie. Injury really screwed him up his 2nd season and yet he was still playing in the divisional playoff round. I’m not saying he’s great but he’s good and he’s only going to get better.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Chris in NY,
First, I like the fact that you mention Troy Smith as another option, you recognize more competition is needed.
Second, Kurt Warner is the only guy I’ve seen truly come from nothing. That was special. And even he still got caught up in New York after winning a ring…but Warner is a true nothing to something.
Rich Gannon? He only came on after being in the league for 12 or 13 years? Would you wait 10 yrs for Gradkowski to finally get it?
Jeff Garcia? To me he is exactly what I fear we would inherit with Gradkowski. A guy who’s fiery disposition speaks louder than the actual results. I see Garcia and I see a guy who had a couple of good years in San Fran, a few good games in PHilly, and 1 decent, read decent, year in Tampa.
The true something from nothing is so rare. 2 games, again anyone pro-QB can give me 2 games…hell, JaDavis gave us two games to close 2008.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
The one guy the Raiders should have acquired is Charlie Whitehurst from SD. The Seahawks picked him up for a third.
Rather give up a third for a chance at a solid starting QB than a SLB.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
mcnabb has 3 to 4 years left in the league. im all for trading for the guy just as long as we dont give up too much for him. which we almost assuredly would.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:43 pm
Is a 2nd rounder and Morrison too much?
Morrison will likely be cut if they acquire another LB in free agency or the draft. And if they keep reaching for guys like Mike Mitchell, then it would be like losing a fifth round pick.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
McNabb’s been lucky to be with the same coach and same system his whole career.
They got him outside and moved him around.
Raider QB’s on the other hand are sitting ducks in the pocket.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
S&B,
I’ve never been a huge Garcia fan but the guy did make more than his share of plays in this league and got three different teams to the playoffs. After this drought I’ll gladly take a fiery competitor who makes things happen and gets us back into postseason contention.
Another former Raider QB who Gradkowski compares to somewhat is Jeff Hostetler. Hoss of course had a Super Bowl ring on his resume before coming to Oakland, so I’m not comparing their careers, but just in terms of style of play: getting things done with a mix of mobility, athleticism and competitive fire more than your prototypical Marino-like dropback passer.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 9:46 pm
McNabb’s been lucky to be with the same coach and same system his whole career.
They got him outside and moved him around.
Raider QB’s on the other hand are sitting ducks in the pocket.
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At least Russell is. I never could figure out why they never moved the pocket for him this year.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
They were still moving the pocket in 08′ after Kiffin was fired.
In 09′ they went back to Old Al’s 7 step drop offense and DHB.
March 24th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
It’s such BS. Throwing on the run is a huge strength of his too. I hope Jackson can get this thing fixed.
March 24th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
It would be nice to hear from Hue Jackson. Looks like he’s going to be the sacrificial cow.
March 24th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
If you know he’s going to be the sacrificial cow why d you wnat to hear from him? In fact since you already know the outcome of everything why even bother? It’s the definition of insanity
March 24th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Hue won’t be the sacrificial cow. If anything, I think Cable is the one on a tight leash. If the offense doesn’t improve and we still suck, Cable will be canned and Hue will just be another coach that can’t get much out of the unit, further proving that the talent is to blame. If the offense improves, than Hue is a hot commodity and Davis will need to promote him to keep him. Cable canned again.
March 24th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
# KoolKell Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
They were still moving the pocket in 08′ after Kiffin was fired.
In 09′ they went back to Old Al’s 7 step drop offense and DHB.
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Yep! This year Cable changed the play book and added more of the 5-7 step drops and kept QB’s in the pocket for far too long, instead of moving the pocket at times to by the QB’s time.
Lousy!
March 24th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Cable is a moron. That or a complete puppet. Choose one. We were successful running the ball. Now, tell me. With a young QB, why wouldn’t you continue to run and pass in select situations?
The whole pass to win crap is just that.
March 24th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
The difference with McNabb in coming here is for the first time in his career he’ll at least have someone who has a serious intent to run the football and take some of the pressure off him.
Throughout his career if he didn’t do it it didn’t get done. Here of the coach is serious about a feature back he will at least have that to lean on. He instantly makes us division title contenders.
Raiderdebo,
I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here. If we don’t win even if he plays well he wil take the fall. If mcNabb comes here his confidence is gives these young players instant credibility. Same as Farve did for Minn. THere is no question in their minds that they can win if they play well. On offense and defense. While even if Russell plays well it will take all season long before they’re confident.
Russell gets to see a real pro at work instead of some wannabes or tryin’tobees. He gets to hear what he has to do t be great from someone who actually KNOWS. It is citical for a young player like Russell to get that opportunity it will show him how to carry himself on and off the field. Especially with someone he can identify with.
McNabb was booed when he was drafted and is still hated in Philly I have a friend who is a hardcore Philly fan and he doesn’t like him at all. This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs and when Russell does take over it’s a very different team and he’s a much more mature player who’s chomping at the bit to prove himself. At that point he may nly be 27 years old and perfectly ready for the role he has to play.
The cherry on the top is we don’t have to watch this farse called Gradkowski.
March 24th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
Should have worked that “continue to run a majority of the time and only pass in select situations”
March 24th, 2010 at 11:14 pm
If McNabb comes here, I just don’t see the Raiders keeping Russell unless he is willing to restructure. That is WAYYYY too much money tied up in your QB position. Russell is making Brady-esque money. Then you bring in another guy expecting top-QB money. No way.
March 24th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Whoa. Why the hate for Gradkowski? He’s towed the company line, acted like a true leader on and off the field, and you are clowning him? Please. If Russell had half the fire that Gradkowski had, we may not be talking about a potential trade for McNabb.
March 24th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
You call it hate I call it reality. Sure Russell is to blame for the interest in McNabb. But if Gradkowski was so great we wouldn’t need McNabb either, right?
The coaches and the owner know Grads is journeyman QB at best. That is the reason why the interest in McNabb or else we stand pat. IMO Russell is head and shoulder better than either Frye or Grads he’sjust trying to get it together but it will take some time he’s still a young QB……….period and I want to make the playoffs this year. With McNabb that is entirely possible.
March 24th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
priesttj Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 11:11 pm
The difference with McNabb in coming here is for the first time in his career he’ll at least have someone who has a serious intent to run the football and take some of the pressure off him.
Throughout his career if he didn’t do it it didn’t get done. Here of the coach is serious about a feature back he will at least have that to lean on. He instantly makes us division title contenders.
Raiderdebo,
I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here. If we don’t win even if he plays well he wil take the fall. If mcNabb comes here his confidence is gives these young players instant credibility. Same as Farve did for Minn. THere is no question in their minds that they can win if they play well. On offense and defense. While even if Russell plays well it will take all season long before they’re confident.
Russell gets to see a real pro at work instead of some wannabes or tryin’tobees. He gets to hear what he has to do t be great from someone who actually KNOWS. It is citical for a young player like Russell to get that opportunity it will show him how to carry himself on and off the field. Especially with someone he can identify with.
McNabb was booed when he was drafted and is still hated in Philly I have a friend who is a hardcore Philly fan and he doesn’t like him at all. This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs and when Russell does take over it’s a very different team and he’s a much more mature player who’s chomping at the bit to prove himself. At that point he may nly be 27 years old and perfectly ready for the role he has to play.
The cherry on the top is we don’t have to watch this farse called Gradkowski.
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It makes a whole lot more sense when you put it that way Priest. As much as I want Russell to start, I know it will be tough for him since there are so many fans that want him out. If we start the season at home and he’s starting, every incomplete pass is going to bring down all kinds of boos. JR is as mentally tough as any young qb I’ve seen, but that would be tough. McNabb might be a nice bridge back for him.
March 25th, 2010 at 12:01 am
Debo,
exactly because they’re just waiting to see him fail, it’s crazy but true. It would almost be better for Grads to start and then bring in Russell if he falters or gets hurt. But the truth is if Russell is right when training camp starts Gradshas no chance of beating him out. That kid is so freakin talented and that gun he has for an arm is so lethal any pritection he gets if someone can get deep it’s 6 points.
It might take until midseason for him to really get it strokin’ but once he does it’s over he just needs to get over this terrible hump which is really the lack of confidence of the entire team. They need to learn how to win. Russell is just part of that.
So to be truely honest I can’t ait to see this kid really cut it loose like I know he can but everything else has to be better around him for him to really do that.
March 25th, 2010 at 12:17 am
Ahhh…the list of excuses TJ is running…
“can’t wait to see him cut it loose, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE HAS TO BE BETTER FOR HIM TO DO THAT”.
lol..you’re so full of crap.
Head to head? Grad wins easily…PERIOD!!
and stop with the “so freaking talented”, you idiot.
ONLY thing he has is a gun for an arm, and THAT IS NOT AN ASSET IN THE NFL. NO coach teaches a qb to throw hard…if you say they do, you’re a lying ass dog. It’s touch. It’s feel. It’s NOT hard balls.
Here’s my guarantee…WHEN RUSSELL BUSTS OUT, YOUR SORRYASS IS GOING TO USE THE ABOVE EXCUSE…THAT EVERYONE AROUND HIM WASN’T BETTER, SO IT’S NOT HIS FAULT.
I GUARANTEE IT.
And yeah, you spineless illiterate worm, when that happens I’ll paste this comment just to laugh at you…again…still.
March 25th, 2010 at 12:39 am
RaiderFanFrom Jersey Says:
March 24th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
HOLD ON! WHY IN THE #### ARE WE, RAIDER NATION ASKING WHAT WOULD THE PATRIOTS DO?
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Because the Patriots are one of the best football teams in the NFL, and have been for years. If this were 1985, people would be asking, “What would the Raiders do?” But it’s not.
March 25th, 2010 at 12:44 am
Richochet, and what will you say if Russell goes to another team and turns out to be good? I want to see this guy on a real NFL team before I make the final call on him. The Raiders have no offensive line. We are the worst team in the league when it comes to gameplans that take consideration for the QBs safety. We put our QBs on an island. We haven’t had a good QB since Gannon, and he was surrounded by a team. I could see if we had one QB play well in this mess. We haven’t. Veterans tend to do better but they still suck.
March 25th, 2010 at 1:04 am
Still out there RMR?
Gotta conspiracy theory for ya.
I think that Al will never let any one player be bigger than the Raiders. And since he IS the Raiders, he will always be the first person associated with the team.
Al likes to bring in veteran QB’s that have been linked with other teams.
When he drafts a QB who is successful, they don’t remain with the team for their careers.
He could have kept Stabler, but he let him go.
Marcus Allen could have been seen as the ultimate Raider but he restricted his playing time and let him go as well.
Tim Brown, same thing.
Shell, Upshaw, Otto, all seen as team players.
There is no one player that stands out as the ultimate Raider. Davis and his image reigns over Oakland.
If Russell had been successful, I believe he would never have had a full career in Oakland, because Al and his “uber” ego would have prevented it.
Good theory??
March 25th, 2010 at 1:20 am
You seem to emphasize the “theory” part, as if most of what you say isn’t already common knowledge.
March 25th, 2010 at 1:25 am
Marcus Allen, Todd Christensen, and Howie Long discussed your “theory” in full detail on “America’s Game: 1983 Raiders”. Sorry, NorthernD, but you didn’t exactly crack that one.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
Drat, I thought I had an original theory.
Oh well, back to studying quantum physics at MIT.
I haven’t seen that video. I’ll have to watch it soon.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
I tried. Oh well…
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist punk.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
Damn, I thought I had an original idea.
Back to studying quantum mechanics at MIT.
I haven’t seen that video. I’ll have to check it out…
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own B.S. and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfills his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMFAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LMFAO @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own B.S. and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfills his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMFAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LMFAO @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
I tried. Oh well…
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMFAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LMFAO @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
I tried. Oh well…
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own B.S. and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfills his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMFAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LMFAo @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
Drat!
I thought I had an original theory. I was kind of hoping to expand on it. Maybe study it a little more. Get some government grant money and turn it into a three year project.
Oh well.
I guess I’ll just get the video instead.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist punk.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own B.S. and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfills his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMFAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LMFAO @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own B.S. and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfills his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMFAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LMFAo @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
Drat, I thought I had an original theory.
Oh well.
Back to study quantum physics at MIT.
I haven’t seen that video yet, but I’ll get to it soon.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to your post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 3:31 am
Cable’s choice of the three quarterbacks is Gradowski. He says it’s an open competition only because Al still wants to be proven right on Russell.
Trade for McNabb? Again, Al is considering this only because he wants to be proven right on Russell.
The problem is that he’s wrong on Russell.
Al loves the song McNabb sings about Russell: It’s not just Russell “it’s a team sport”.
It’s the team giving him lousy footwork, making him so slow stepping back into pocket, staring down his receivers, throwing too soon, throwing too late, throwing impossible to catch passes, and putting his receivers in danger with crap decisions.
We just went down this effin road and there was a lot of potholes in it. Do we really have to drag this team down it again?!
Why in the world do we want to bring in an ageing quarterback just because he says nice things about Russell and Al wants to be proven right?!
McNabb is a thousand times better than Russell will ever be but his time is past.
All Graddowski has to do to beat Russell is ask him to pick up some Crispy Cremes on the way in to work,
March 25th, 2010 at 4:05 am
WTF is with all the triplicated posts at 3:31 am lol
March 25th, 2010 at 4:58 am
Any trade for McNabb is just dumb unless JaMarcus Russell is cut from the roster.
What is the point of wasting a high 2nd round pick and spending another $10m+ on a veteran QB when you have a former No1 draft pick three years into a $60m contract?
There is no point. If Russell needs another year to learn and grow, then we have Gradkowski already on the roster and on a sensible salary. McNabb is a great guy but he is on the way down. He is not the next Rich Gannon.
Actually, it would be pretty stupid wasting a high second on McNabb even if Russell was cut. The Raiders would almost certainly get a choice of Jimmy Clausen in the first or Tebow/McCoy/Pike in the second or Skelton/Brown/LeFevour in the third. Clausen would be as expensive as McNabb but he would have a fifteen year career ahead of him and not a two year fade-away.
McNabb – great guy but not for us. Dumb idea.
March 25th, 2010 at 5:44 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
As soon as I heard that Philadelphia put McNabb on the trade block…I knew there would be a story about the Raiders inquiring about him, and how no one has heard about it!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Yeah Mcnabb is a dumb idea what! I could care less if we have overpaid backups I want a great season you know maybe win opening game maybe be in the playoff race in November Mcnabb only 100 times better than Grads ever will be , make it happen big Al.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:01 am
Is Adam Schefter making up rumors again?
March 25th, 2010 at 8:02 am
The issue of whether we were a QB away last year is ridiculous!
McNabb under last year’s circumstances of Gallery going down, DHB starting, Chaz injury, Cable play calling, etc would have missed the playoffs with this Raider team just like Gradkowski and the gang.
More importantly McNabb on last years team is a whole different thought process than Jeff Garcia or Bruce Gradkowski. Or Jamarcus Russell for that matter. And it had nothing to do with him being black, lol.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:04 am
good morning AM crew!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Hey RR
March 25th, 2010 at 8:06 am
Are you people insane….McNabb would instantly be the best QB we have had since Gannon.
I’d take three or four years of McNabb over three or four more years of Al pushing Russell on his coaches….and fuk Garbagekowski.
Trade a 2nd and 5th for McNabb.
Sign Brad Hoover to play FB.
Re-sign Morrison.
Draft Dan Williams, NT, round 1
Draft JD Walton, C, Baylor, round 3
Draft Marshal Newhouse, G, TCU, round 4
Draft Micah Johnson, MLB, Kentucky, 5
With those moves and Hue Jackson replacing Cable as the o-coordinator, even I would think we should contend for the wild card next year.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:06 am
I disagree that McNabb = cut Russell
Why not add McNabb to the QB competition between Russell and Grads?
You’re telling me you wouldn’t trade the #2 we will get for Tom Howard for McNabb?
March 25th, 2010 at 8:07 am
trade McFadden for McNabb or trade 2nd & 5th rounders for him. who cares? just dump Russell!
the Chargers gave up on Ryan Leaf after just 3 seasons and in hindsight it was a great idea, because he couldn’t play in Tampa Bay, Dallas or Seattle either…
March 25th, 2010 at 8:08 am
Trade a 2nd and 5th for McNabb.
Sign Brad Hoover to play FB.
Re-sign Morrison.
Draft Dan Williams, NT, round 1
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Dakota & I are on the same page. LOL!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:10 am
You’re telling me you wouldn’t trade the #2 we will get for Tom Howard for McNabb?
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shoot. trade a 2nd rounder AND Thomas Howard to Philly for McNabb!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Throwing away half our draft this year for a QB that is on his way out is not the answer. We need to keep doing the rebuilding process, yet it takes the raiders a bit longer than most nfl teams, but we are definitely on our way (finally).
We really need our first 3 picks this year to get a Tackle, NT and MLB. I’d rather go 8-8 this year and be competing for the playoffs next year than make the wild card this year and be back to 5-11 next year when McNabb retires.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:14 am
Madden: I don’t think this team is headed anywhere EVER with Russell, Gradkowski or Frye at QB …
solidify the O-Line. fire Sanjay Lal. Get a real WR Coach and a vet mentor like Muhsin Muhammad
great place to start, but the roof is still 8-8. You need to win games BECAUSE of your QB, not in spite of him
McNabb gives a chance to not only compete, but win games!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Morning shift. Where the sane people go….
What up smellas? Long time.
Can’t believe McNabb is even an option. Completely changes everything if we can pull this off. Wow.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:15 am
I would rather take any of the QB’s available in the 2nd round than McNabb though.
There is so much talent out there. Heck just draft Perrilloux in the 6th if you really want a new QB.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:16 am
mornin’ saint
I’ve created a poll. Give me the name of 1 player you’d like the Raiders to draft in Round 1 …
any player
March 25th, 2010 at 8:18 am
Madden: you’d draft McCoy, LeFevour, Tebow or Perrilloux before trading any picks for McNabb?
Really?
March 25th, 2010 at 8:20 am
Maybe not McCoy, but yes. At least not my 2nd round pick. If we could give up one of our LBs and a 3rd or 4th rounder for him, then sure, bring him in. But our 2nd is way too good to give up to get him.
I mean, we have a chance at drafting someone like Spikes or Bruce Campbell with our 2nd.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:25 am
I don’t think Bruce Campbell will still be on the board at #39
Terrance Cody either …
OT’s & NT’s are way too valuable
In fact it’s very possible that 5 OT’s & 3 DT’s will go in the Top 15
March 25th, 2010 at 8:29 am
wouldn’t the Rams be smart to get McNabb & Suh in the first 2 rounds?
not sure what DT they could get in Round 2 to help the run defense, but nothing even close to what Suh would give them and Sam Bradford isn’t going to be a star during his rookie campaign
think Matthew Stafford with Detroit last year
Rams finish 4-12 next year with a rookie QB and a crappy run defense (again)
March 25th, 2010 at 8:29 am
There is so much talent this draft. I think the top 45 or so picks all have the potential to go in the top 15.
Meaning we are basically getting 2 first round talent players this year.
I think you will be surprised at the players we can take with our 2nd round pick.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:31 am
i agree a second rounders too much. if we make a decent acquisition with that pick we got a player for ten years. if we trade it we got mcnabb for two or three. im all for trading for mcnabb the price just has to be right which it almost assuredly will not.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:32 am
For the record, I really think McNabb is on his way out and is just being carried by the quality of his WR’s. That is why Kolb was able to step in and immediately play great.
Our WRs don’t really compare to Jackson, Maclin and Celek. (well maybe our TE, but other than that)
March 25th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I would rather take any of the QB’s available in the 2nd round than McNabb though.
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How can you say that?
DO you want to win?
McNabb? Or Russell, Grads, or Frye?
Is it even a question that takes pondering?
March 25th, 2010 at 8:33 am
RRS,
Don’t know enough about the actual players themselves to pick a player. If we are committed to a DT/OT at #8 but the 2-3 best players are already taken by that point then I say look elsewhere and wait for the 2nd round. If we bring in McNabb(that would be sick!) then I hope it’s OT, if not, than DT.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:35 am
good call Saint.
couldn’t agree more.
BUILD THE LINES!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:36 am
# jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:33 am
I would rather take any of the QB’s available in the 2nd round than McNabb though.
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How can you say that?
DO you want to win?
McNabb? Or Russell, Grads, or Frye?
Is it even a question that takes pondering?
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I am not saying I would do that, I am just saying I would rather we take Lefevour or Tebow in the 2nd than trade it to the eagles for McNabb.
I personally think both are stupid ideas, but I think drafting a QB that will be around for 10+ years is the better of the 2.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:37 am
If we could give up one of our LBs and a 3rd or 4th rounder for him, then sure, bring him in. But our 2nd is way too good to give up to get him.
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I kinda agree with this. I’m expecting a #2 for Thomas Howard and a 3rd for Morrison. Factoring that in, I’d trade a #2 for McNabb in a heart beat.
I really don’t want to give up either of our current high draft picks because of how it we could add OL and DL help with first rd grades. Agree with that.
But you HAVE to find a way to get McNabb if Gradkowski is in line to start. If Russell is back on track then I agree we can take a pass. But legitimately back on track to where he left off the season before last, or bring in McNabb!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:37 am
maddenraiderfan Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:32 am
For the record, I really think McNabb is on his way out and is just being carried by the quality of his WR’s. That is why Kolb was able to step in and immediately play great.
Our WRs don’t really compare to Jackson, Maclin and Celek. (well maybe our TE, but other than that)
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Incorrect.
McNabb has conssitently produced even though this is the FIRST time he’s had dcent, young, but decent WRs.
T.O. helped them get to the SB, but other than that, McNabb and Westbrook were alot of the O and still carried the team.
Not a huge fan of McNabb but to claim he’s on his way out is premature at best.
Don’t think Oakand will pay him what others might especially long term contract wise now that they might have Seymour’s contract to deal with. Who knows, they may franchise him again and then be done with him.
Think this one is mostly rumor. In a QB driven Leauge the Eagles would to well to keep all 3.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:39 am
I am not saying I would do that, I am just saying I would rather we take Lefevour or Tebow in the 2nd than trade it to the eagles for McNabb.
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Lefevour or Tebow?
I’d rather stick with Gradkowski and Russell and keep the pick.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:39 am
Take McNabb with the 2nd and a player or compensation in next draft and then take an OT with the 8th overall.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:40 am
jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:37 am
I’m expecting a #2 for Thomas Howard and a 3rd for Morrison.
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Is someone really going to give us a 2 for Howard? I’m expecting a 3rd for Morrison, but I would be surprised if Howard went elsewhere. (happy, but surprised)
March 25th, 2010 at 8:41 am
very well thought out post (#293) Jhill and I agree completely.
However, I still think that getting a 2nd rounder for Howard is a pipe dream and while a 3rd rounder for Morrison is certainly a possibility, no teams have brought him in for a visit and he’s been on the market for about 3 weeks now. Even Justin Fargas has visited 4 or 5 teams (even though they all passed)
March 25th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Lefevour or Tebow?
I’d rather stick with Gradkowski and Russell and keep the pick.
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me too. Especially since we found out that Lefevour has a noodle arm at his Pro Day and you know Tebow will take another 1-2 years of development.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:47 am
Now, YOU PEOPLE must admit it is time to trade DMac for DMc!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:47 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:44 am
Lefevour or Tebow?
I’d rather stick with Gradkowski and Russell and keep the pick.
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me too. Especially since we found out that Lefevour has a noodle arm at his Pro Day and you know Tebow will take another 1-2 years of development.
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That is why I said they are both bad ideas. Ofc, after LeFevour’s pro day, I bet he could be had in the 4th possibly, and then I would be more interested in taking him.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Morning Nation
March 25th, 2010 at 8:49 am
San Diego, Kansas City and Denver all need linebacker help, and SD in particular has about a million draft picks this year. They could all have Morrison for a third round pick, and have chosen to pass.
Why? Because they’ve seen him twice a year for awhile now, and they, like a lot of us, know he sucks.
That third rounder ain’t coming for him, and the second rounder damn sure ain’t coming for Howard.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:50 am
However, I still think that getting a 2nd rounder for Howard is a pipe dream
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I hear you RRS and Madden …
Well maybe he sticks around and plays WLB for us again since Wimbley took Scott’s position?
Does that mean Ricky Brown is our MLB and Trevor Scott is back to 3rd down pass rush specialist?
March 25th, 2010 at 8:50 am
good mornin’ DMAC
how do you feel about playing for Philly?
you’d share the backfield with McCoy & Bell instead of Bush & Fargas!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Trade Al Davis for Robert Culp.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Michael Huff and a 3rd for McNabb. Make it happen Al!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Yeah, I’d be their new Westbrook.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:53 am
Dakota,
If Al trades Huff…….
Welcome Taylor Mays
March 25th, 2010 at 8:54 am
Huff and Morrison for McNabb
March 25th, 2010 at 8:54 am
NO WAY you trade Huff!
Mike Mitchell and a 3rd for McNabb!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am
DMAC for McNabb is not a bad idea.
Then we could take Best and feature Bush.
Or take Gerhardt in rd 2.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am
I’d do that one too Jhill, lol, but I don’t think the Eagles have seen his youtube highlights.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:56 am
The Browns have shown “a lot of interest” in Florida CB Joe Haden, according to his agent Malik Shareef.
Source: Cleveland Plain Dealer
Please select him, so Al won’t get a chance to take him.
March 25th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Does that mean Ricky Brown is our MLB and Trevor Scott is back to 3rd down pass rush specialist?
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I think it’ll be much like last year. Morrison & Brown will compete for the MLB job, but Capt Kirk just may take a seat on the bench this time around (until Ricky Brown gets hurt again)
I expect Marshall to get creative on defense now that he has 2 players on defense that can play DE or OLB and Seymour can play just about anyplace along the D-Line.
I don’t expect to see Scott, Howard or Wimbley on the bench for an entire game. 2 will start, but all 3 will have significant playing time
Example: on 3rd & long we’ll have Scott as rush end and Howard & Wimbley at OLB. Seymour moves inside next to Kelly. Then we could even send Wimbley on a blitz from OLB. tons of pressure on the QB with all these guys on the field
However, as stated yesterday, I’m not convinced that Howard, Scott or Wimbley (any of them) are stout run defenders. all the more reason to add a nose tackle!
March 25th, 2010 at 8:57 am
The Eagles already have two RBs, McCoy and Bell.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:00 am
McClain in the Middle and Cpt. Kirk backing up.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:00 am
lol i highly doubt anyones going to give up a #2 for howard. morrison might get 3 even that i doubt. dont speculate that were safe giving up a second because we will get one for howard. ever heard th expression dont count your chickens before they hatch.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:00 am
Coach Steve Spagnuolo joined GM Billy Devaney in shooting down rumors of the Rams’ interest in trading the No. 33 pick for Donovan McNabb.
“There’s nothing to that,” Spagnuolo said. “We’re not involved in that. At this time of year, there are going to be all kind of things thrown out there. But no, there’s nothing to it.” Though the Eagles certainly appear ready to move on from McNabb, the Rams aren’t biting.
Source: St. Louis Globe-Democrat
March 25th, 2010 at 9:01 am
NO WAY you trade Huff!
Mike Mitchell and a 3rd for McNabb!
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Agreed Jhill. When we drafted Mike Mitchell we weren’t convinced that Huff could play FS or Branch could play SS. We knew Hiram Eugene was trash though!
Except for Eugene (he really got a 2nd round tender?), we know these other 2 cats can play and play well. Mitch can be used in 3 safety packages & special teams, but most safeties taken in Round 2 are guys you expect to start for you in Year #2, if not Year #1
March 25th, 2010 at 9:03 am
jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am
DMAC for McNabb is not a bad idea.
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Who wants to donate for a billboard?!? I can get one pretty cheap near the intersection of the 18 and 385 highways in Hot Springs, SD.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am
-Trade Huff for McNabb (sorry RR)
-Trade up for SUH
-Draft J Best or OT in the 2nd.
-Draft Spikes in the 3rd, and Draft J Ford or Austen Lane in the 4th.
-Draft OL & FB with the other picks.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am
Despite an earlier report that the Raiders have contacted the Eagles about a possible Donovan McNabb trade, the Oakland Tribune cites two team employees as being “unaware” of any trade talks.
Considering Al Davis’ usual M.O., it certainly wouldn’t come as a surprise if certain employees were left in the dark. Davis tends to make bold, aggressive moves, so an interest in McNabb would suit his style. The 49ers could take a page from his book, as a McNabb trade is exactly what they need. Coach Mike Singletary conceded as much Wednesday, saying “there’s always interest” in a QB of McNabb’s caliber.
Source: Oakland Tribune
March 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am
I wish we could trade Tommy Kelly & JaMarcus Russell to Buffalo for Marcus Stroud & Trent Edwards.
they are switching to a 3-4 defense and Stroud already said that he is not a 3-4 NT. Moving him to 3-4 DE might be like Warren Sapp as a 3-4 DE in Oakland (highly ineffective). Kelly was a pretty good 3-4 DE in Oakland though!
Bills started Fitzpatrick & Brohm over Edwards last year and the Raiders started Gradkowski & Frye over Russell last year. Perhaps both plays need a fresh start?
obviously both Raiders would be asked to take huge paycuts though. Buffalo wouldn’t want to inherit those massive contracts for players who never lived up to their potential
March 25th, 2010 at 9:11 am
hell I would trade a 2nd for McNabb in a second. For one thing it would fill some seats, and provide a bit more excitement around and within the team. There are currently no stars on this team, none. Nnamdi is great but is not exactly a ‘draw’. In addition DM is currently better than the other 3, and if he shows some interest in attempting to develop JR as well, then what the hey. Bring on TO too; we gotta party!
March 25th, 2010 at 9:11 am
Check out Raiders coach Tom Cable. He addressed the Donovan McNabb-to-Oakland rumor before anyone knew it may be a rumor.
At the NFL owners meeting Tuesday, Cable was asked if the Raiders would consider trading for a veteran quarterback — say, McNabb or anyone else — to add to the competition.
Cable shrugged, kind of smiled and said, “You never know.”
-David White (SF Gate)
March 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am
By saying draft a left tackle, I mean you never draft a right tackle that high. You move failed LTs to RT.
And yes, I think Mario Henderson would be better off at right tackle … for his and QB’s sake. Led NFL in sacks.
-David White (twitter)
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I wonder if Tom Cable thinks super mario is a “failed LT” ???
March 25th, 2010 at 9:16 am
RR if we take McNabb or not one thing is for sure we better get the guy some blocking up front or it will not matter. McNabb does nto have the wheels that he once had even though he could still get away from defenders quicker than Big Russ.
Knowing Al if we get McNabb he will try to give away the house to get back in the first round and pick up Dez Bryant based on some dream he had the night before. Dez going to McNabb deep, deep, deep!!!!!!!!!
March 25th, 2010 at 9:18 am
I like Trent, but I wouldn’t trade JR for him. I believe JaBustus can improve this season (with Hue as OC). If he doesn’t improve, then we should trade/cut him next season.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:18 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:03 am
jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am
DMAC for McNabb is not a bad idea.
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Who wants to donate for a billboard?!? I can get one pretty cheap near the intersection of the 18 and 385 highways in Hot Springs, SD.
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lol…I own all the land near Hot Springs…it will not be cheap for you!
March 25th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Raider O: why are you obsessed with trading Mike Huff?
are you convinced that Mike Mitchell or Hiram Eugene can play FS? do you want to draft Berry or Mays?
I’m not. and I don’t.
Besides, “trade Huff” scenarios are moot anyways because he’s already been told that his job is safe in Oakland for 2010.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:21 am
Al,
Please, Fire The FAT MONKEY aka Cable PLEASE!!!!
March 25th, 2010 at 9:21 am
RR – What’s been up dude?
By the way, for your list if we could make any pick in the draft I take Suh he just seems like he is a special talent. Great all around character would be a beast with Seymour. Could you imagine what a young hungry talent could learn form a player like Seymour?
But if I had to make a pick based strictly on need we take the best LT in the draft.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:23 am
Bush might be the better back as of right now, but if a RB is going to get traded, I think its going to be Bush.
Bush and a possible 4th rounder for McNabb??????
(thats if we have a 4tth???)
March 25th, 2010 at 9:24 am
I believe JaBustus can improve this season (with Hue as OC). If he doesn’t improve, then we should trade/cut him next season.
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Raider O: unless there is a lockout next year, we’ll probably have a salary cap next year. That means cutting Russell would cost us 9-10 million. money we could have used on another player or players
March 25th, 2010 at 9:25 am
I have never been a big Huff fan except when he was in college thought he was a good pick until I saw him play in the NFL. But I will say he had a very productive year last year. If anything he was one og the highlights on our defense. Now Routt is garbage in my book.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:25 am
lol…I own all the land near Hot Springs…it will not be cheap for you!
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I am in contract talks with the owner of the Simco Business Plaza at the corner of Jennings and Chicago. Is that you? Billboard is planned to go up next to that corny Hot Springs arch in front of the Pioneer Museum.
PS, I love google.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:25 am
RR,
MM is Healthy now, and he can Play SS, and I like to see what Branch can do at FS. He played CB @ UConn.
As for Huff, I like him, but not more than MM and Branch.
BTW, how do you know his job is safe for 2010?
March 25th, 2010 at 9:27 am
cool CJ. I got you down for Suh
I think Routt sucks too!
March 25th, 2010 at 9:29 am
I wish we would learn form the Saints how they utilize their RBs. They play to the players strengths. We try to fit them in a system regardless of there skill set and we pay the price every time for it. WHy continue to run DMAC up the middle? Let him bounce utside a little bit get him some screens and work his way into the game. That is what they did with Bush and he is starting to run off tackle a little better now. But some guys are rythm runners and if you ask me DMac and on occassion Bush just never get a chance to get in the flow of the game.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:31 am
WHy continue to run DMAC up the middle? Let him bounce utside
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DMAC does not bounce. He falters.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:32 am
If we take Berry he will be playing corner not saftey. many thinks he projects better there. has elite speed and man to man skills. CJ moves to nickle and Routt backs up namdi
March 25th, 2010 at 9:33 am
RR can you put me down for Berry…
March 25th, 2010 at 9:33 am
I hope Russel gets his game together this year. He did not make every throw in the opening game last year aginst SD but he was playing with confidence and passion and as sooon as that game was over he just lost it. What happened? What was said? What changes were made?
Maybe Cable not calling the offense will help. He is a very bad, I mean VERY BAD!!!!! Play caller.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:34 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:14 am
By saying draft a left tackle, I mean you never draft a right tackle that high. You move failed LTs to RT.
And yes, I think Mario Henderson would be better off at right tackle … for his and QB’s sake. Led NFL in sacks.
-David White (twitter)
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I wonder if Tom Cable thinks super mario is a “failed LT” ???
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I don’t. One season as a starter on a hodge podge injuriy riddled, aged, uncohesive, under performing O line doesn’t make you a wash immediately. If he gives up the edge 5 times by game 4 WITH Gallery back, then you have to start looking at shuffling.
I say BS to “not drafting a RT that high”. BS. Tackles right and left are at a premium.
I’m sure KC didn’t go “lets get Branden Albert 13th overall so we can make him a guard and then use a top 5 pick for a LT!”
If you think you’ve got a blue chip lineman on the edge (right or left)that can anchor for a decade you pull the trigger.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:34 am
RR,
We don’t know what will happen next year. I’m not willing to give up on Jabustus after 1 bad season with a Fat Monkey as the HC. I never worry about Salary Cap with Al, he always took care of that, and it was never a problem in the past.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am
how do you know his job is safe for 2010?
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he told David White last month
FS Branch
SS Mitchell
= still a huge gamble
I’m hesistant to move players around. I remember Tyler Brayton played here 4 seasons and played a different position each year. DE, OLB, DE & DT. Then he played the past 2 years as DE for the Panthers and just got a new 3 year contract to remain starting DE there.
remember having RT Kwame Harris play LT in the zbs? flop
remember zone corner CB DeAngelo Hall play man2man corner? flop
how about power blocking center failure Samson Satele in the zbs? flop
how about UT penetrator-type Warren at NT next to Kelly? flop
how about Sapp as 3-4 DE? flop
how about moving Khalif Barnes to RT or guard? flop
how about RB Gary Russell at FB or RB/TE/WR Marcel Reece at FB or even KR? flop
the list goes on & on …
March 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am
just heard on espn radio that the eagles want a 1st round pick for mcnabb
March 25th, 2010 at 9:37 am
2 firsts for kolb. weird.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:38 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:33 am
I hope Russel gets his game together this year. He did not make every throw in the opening game last year aginst SD but he was playing with confidence and passion and as sooon as that game was over he just lost it. What happened? What was said? What changes were made?
Maybe Cable not calling the offense will help. He is a very bad, I mean VERY BAD!!!!! Play caller.
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Gallery got injured. The run game fell off. No FB to speak of, Lorenzo failed, ORen not up to task. SanJay Lal teaching rookie wides.
An emphasis on the passing game partly because injures helped run game fall off and because Russell / Murphy / DHB were being pushed.
Yes, yes he was.
The talent Oakland does have wasn’t being utilized.
Thats a whole other catagory as to why…
March 25th, 2010 at 9:39 am
i say no to a huff trade, huff played balls out last season. with our the safety looks, any of the 3 can blitz, plus with our hybrid lb/de guys, if we can pick up a nice mlb and a big fat NT, this defense has the potential to be very special. as long as they can eliminate the big plays, and get a mild contribution from the offense
March 25th, 2010 at 9:40 am
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March 25th, 2010 at 9:41 am
some guy was on the radio stating okung would be the pick if available, and henderson moved to RT
March 25th, 2010 at 9:45 am
Kwame was a LT for the niners.
Sapp was also a flop as a 4-3 UT.
Satele was a flop as a power blocker, and more so.
Barnes has not yet flopped as a RT.
Russell was better than Lawton at FB.
And you forgot HUFF WAS A FLOP AT SS!
And Condo is a LB flop. Needs cutting.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:47 am
And so far…….
Bo is a flop, because the Raiders haven’t traded DMAC yet
March 25th, 2010 at 9:49 am
Russell was better than Lawton at FB.
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One of the best plays of last year was a JLH reverse that featured Russell blocking out in front of him.
It only makes sense for that play to be called at least once a game.
Again speaks to the utter lack of creativity by Cable. Like a little misdriection with a 300lb lead blocker wouldn’t have worked, lol.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:50 am
Other postion movements that went well:
Scott = non-flop at LB.
Gallery = expensive non-flop moving to G.
Nnamdi = non-flop from S to CB.
Jamarcus = non-flop moving from disaster relief coordinator to walrus to king.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:50 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am
how do you know his job is safe for 2010?
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he told David White last month
FS Branch
SS Mitchell
= still a huge gamble
I’m hesistant to move players around. I remember Tyler Brayton played here 4 seasons and played a different position each year. DE, OLB, DE & DT. Then he played the past 2 years as DE for the Panthers and just got a new 3 year contract to remain starting DE there.
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So what? Brayton still sucks.
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remember having RT Kwame Harris play LT in the zbs? flop
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True, but a gamble worht taking. It was felt a return to the ZBS Kwame was drafted for by SF and run successfully by him there would help. It did not. The problem was Kwame’s head, not the scheme.
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remember zone corner CB DeAngelo Hall play man2man corner? flop
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He did not play man. he played off…15 yards off. Horrible horrible…thank you Kiffin.
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how about power blocking center failure Samson Satele in the zbs? flop
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Not a costly move to aquire him and yes, he’s been a disapointment with reads and lack of field vision. Hope we replace him cuz he’s not good but has played ZBS before so again, not a huge leap to assume he could. He needs more time to see if he can learn the position. Little slow me thinks to translate it to game time.
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how about UT penetrator-type Warren at NT next to Kelly? flop
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Again, another calculated risk. Warren did better in Oakland than he had since early Cleveland. Dinged alot and part of a terrible anti run team so yeah, could do better.
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how about Sapp as 3-4 DE? flop
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The whole idea was a flop not just Sapp’s inability to translate. Wrong personnel at the time, but Sapp had some production here.
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how about moving Khalif Barnes to RT or guard? flop
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Wouldn’t know that. He hasn’t done it yet.
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how about RB Gary Russell at FB or RB/TE/WR Marcel Reece at FB or even KR? flop
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G.Russell was a hail Mary stop gap. Lorenzo forced to retire last minute, Oren couldn’t go, Lawton’s practice squad at best. Same with inexperienced Marcel who caught maybe ONE pass all year on like 5 total plays.
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the list goes on & on …
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Does it?
March 25th, 2010 at 9:51 am
DMAC Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:47 am
And so far…….
Bo is a flop, because the Raiders haven’t traded DMAC yet
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I blame the team around me!
March 25th, 2010 at 9:52 am
new englandraider Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:41 am
some guy was on the radio stating okung would be the pick if available, and henderson moved to RT
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No sh-it “IF available.”
March 25th, 2010 at 9:55 am
BSJ: Cornell Green got hurt last year and so did Robert Gallery (as you know)
Barnes got 2 starts at RT and failed, so Cable threw Erik Pears in there for the next 2 starts before Cornell Green was back healthy.
Barnes & Pears also spent time at LG to help fill the void left by Gallery. both flopped there so Satele, Morris & even Langston Walker (the most impressive) got a chance to play LG …
Barnes wasn’t hurt the entire year. We was back by Week 2 and he couldn’t beat out any of the O-Line scrubs we had last season
March 25th, 2010 at 9:56 am
Trade DMAC for a 80 yard TD pass from Mcnabb to the front of DHB’s face mask.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:58 am
Barnes wasn’t hurt the entire year. We was back by Week 2 and he couldn’t beat out any of the O-Line scrubs we had last season
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So why did Cable say Barnes is the current starter at RT if he performed so badly when healthy last year. I just disagree, sorry.
March 25th, 2010 at 9:59 am
why are a bunch of you guys defending all these bozo moves by Davis & the coaching staff in recent memory?
for every good transition (Gallery to guard) there is 10 bad ones …
March 25th, 2010 at 10:01 am
BSJ & N21: the point is, you said that Barnes never played RT last year
the fact is, he did. and he was worse than Cornell Green & Erik Pears
probably because he never played RT in his life before last season and he signed with Oakland under the impression he was going to compete with Mario Henderson for the LT job last season
March 25th, 2010 at 10:03 am
rockstar
you are 100% correct about barnes. he did play rt and he played it poorly. look at the 1st play from scrimmage against the jets. how do you come out on the very first play, and not get a fingernail on the DE coming up field?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:04 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:55 am
BSJ: Cornell Green got hurt last year and so did Robert Gallery (as you know)
Barnes got 2 starts at RT and failed, so Cable threw Erik Pears in there for the next 2 starts before Cornell Green was back healthy.
Barnes & Pears also spent time at LG to help fill the void left by Gallery. both flopped there so Satele, Morris & even Langston Walker (the most impressive) got a chance to play LG …
Barnes wasn’t hurt the entire year. We was back by Week 2 and he couldn’t beat out any of the O-Line scrubs we had last season
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A few games at a position you’ve never or rarely played hardly makes you a flop in the NFL.
Barens caught flak for not jumping at the chance to play RT and insisting he was an LT.
Who knows, if nothing changes in the draft and Henderson struggles, we could “flop” him back over to LT…
March 25th, 2010 at 10:05 am
So why did Cable say Barnes is the current starter at RT if he performed so badly when healthy last year. I just disagree, sorry.
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yeah, because the wife beating buffoon who everybody wants fired and who was recently stripped of his play calling duties is such a great talent evaluator. right ???
Cable said Barnes & Pears would compete for the RT job and that we’re looking to add another tackle. Of course one of these scrubs would start if the season began today because there isn’t anybody else on the roster (yet)!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Bo,
That would be a very nice spot! High traffic area….for a town of 4300.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:07 am
for every good transition (Gallery to guard) there is 10 bad ones …
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You assume leaving them in their previous position would have been successful? Sometimes the player flops, regardless of position (i.e. Sapp, Warren). Other times the player just needs to develop (i.e. Huff).
March 25th, 2010 at 10:08 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:01 am
BSJ & N21: the point is, you said that Barnes never played RT last year
the fact is, he did. and he was worse than Cornell Green & Erik Pears
probably because he never played RT in his life before last season and he signed with Oakland under the impression he was going to compete with Mario Henderson for the LT job last season
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Semantics to try and “Win” your point. Barnes ISN’T a flop at RT because of a few plays at at position he’s not properly trained for.
“I said he hasn’t done it yet” meaning proven it at RT either way. Not that he “never” played there.
He was mistaken and should be thankful he’s got a job. No one lese jumped at him did they and the “pass happy” NFL is desperate for LEFT tackles like Barnes.
He better get happy himself, shut up and play well at RT, RG, LT or whereever along OUR line!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:08 am
Barnes is a horrible LT. Hoping he can adjust to RT is basically placing our entire season in jeopardy. Only a joke fukstick like Cable would do such a thing.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:09 am
BSJ
why would you want to cut condo? many teams have issues with snaps. this guy has been 100% perfect.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:09 am
I rather have Barnes start at RT, than Luke start at FB.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:10 am
NE: yeah man. I’m not saying Barnes will never be a solid LT or RT in Oakland. Just that he’s done nothing on the field to suggest that he should be the unquestioned starter. Henderson struggled last year. Pears was awful, except when we used him as an emergency blocking TE. This team needs another tackle. a good one!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:10 am
The point is I hope we draft O line.
Fix the O line please.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
The ideal scenario is to have Anthony Davis or Trent Willimas fall to us at 8. Even Bulaga.
Last year was Hendersons “audition” at LT and he failed miserably. The year before the talk was he got a lot of help with the TE staying in to block or the RB helping out. He also got praised for holding some pretty decent pass rushers in check.
Last year was a complete face plant. Why should he get another year? At whose expense? Move him to RT, Barnes to RG, and draft a friggin LT already!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
BSJ & N21:
fair enough.
I’ll go with “the jury is still out” regarding Barnes at RT
March 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am
I’m still for trading out 1st rounder for LT Jared Gaither.
LT- Gaither
LG- Gallery
C- Tennant (3rd round selection)
RG- draft or free agency???????
RT- Henderson
March 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am
Dakota Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:08 am
Barnes is a horrible LT. Hoping he can adjust to RT is basically placing our entire season in jeopardy. Only a joke fukstick like Cable would do such a thing.
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He struggled on that make shift Jacksonville line who wouldn’t? They lost THREE starters that year by the end of opening day.
His off field issues are what got him booted out of Jacksonville as much as his play.
Anotehr attempted reclamation project not with out merit but YES we need to draft a bad azz tackle with the 8th please.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:13 am
RG- Barnes or possibly Walker????
March 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
The ideal scenario is to have Anthony Davis or Trent Willimas fall to us at 8. Even Bulaga.
Last year was Hendersons “audition” at LT and he failed miserably. The year before the talk was he got a lot of help with the TE staying in to block or the RB helping out. He also got praised for holding some pretty decent pass rushers in check.
Last year was a complete face plant. Why should he get another year? At whose expense? Move him to RT, Barnes to RG, and draft a friggin LT already!
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March 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
BSJ & N21:
fair enough.
I’ll go with “the jury is still out” regarding Barnes at RT
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Fingers crossed man!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
rockstar
yep. pears was awful as well, except in short running situations as you stated when he lined up outside one of the tackles as extra blocker/TE. you’re right on henderson too. that is the point i was trying to make last week when i stated no qb would have great success behind these guys. gallery was our best lineman, and hardly played. that is sad. i hoping that orakpo got into henderson’s head temporarily. he did play well in the 08season. last year, 10 sacks is just too many. any qb behind these guys, is going to have it in thei heads, that these guys suck.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
new englandraider Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:09 am
BSJ
why would you want to cut condo? many teams have issues with snaps. this guy has been 100% perfect.
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Was sarcasm. However, he IS overpaid. I still remain a bit confused as to why one of our true centers can’t perform Condo’s role, ala Adam Treu. Morris and Satele are supposed to be athletic centers…
And Henderson is more of a flop than Barnes so far. Barnes is still a flop-in-waiting.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:15 am
Jhill’s depth chart:
LT – Rookie (Davis/Williams/Bulaga)
LG – Gallery
C – Satele ?
RG – Barnes
RT – Henderson
this does mesh with Cable’s “best 5 guys” philosophy. This wouldn’t be my first choice, but it wouldn’t surprise me
March 25th, 2010 at 10:16 am
Dakota Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:12 am
The ideal scenario is to have Anthony Davis or Trent Willimas fall to us at 8. Even Bulaga.
Last year was Hendersons “audition” at LT and he failed miserably. The year before the talk was he got a lot of help with the TE staying in to block or the RB helping out. He also got praised for holding some pretty decent pass rushers in check.
Last year was a complete face plant. Why should he get another year? At whose expense? Move him to RT, Barnes to RG, and draft a friggin LT already!
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Henderson looked good early on but faded as the year went on and underpowered inexperienced Chris Morris got the start beside him.
Henderson’s better with Gallery in his ear.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:18 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
new englandraider Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:09 am
BSJ
why would you want to cut condo? many teams have issues with snaps. this guy has been 100% perfect.
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Was sarcasm. However, he IS overpaid. I still remain a bit confused as to why one of our true centers can’t perform Condo’s role, ala Adam Treu. Morris and Satele are supposed to be athletic centers…
And Henderson is more of a flop than Barnes so far. Barnes is still a flop-in-waiting.
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You mean Adam Teu who thru a hissy fit when he was cut for not wanting to work out with the “real” centers?
Treu was NEVER a starting caliber center / LS.
LS is under rated and sorely missed when teams don’t have it. STILL thats a lot to pay for a special teamer.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Henderson’s agent is Drew Rosenhaus right? I have a feeling he will not be a long-term member of the Raiders.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:19 am
BSJ
ok. understand. can you imagine satele with his head bobbing trying to snap on an important FG or a punt from the endzone.
i also happen to think that cooper carlisle was equally as bad as green and pears. there were a great many 3 and 2 yards or less, in which carlise got tossed like a cookie into the backfield almost every time they ran his way. he must go as well
March 25th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Guys, the RT position is not just for guys who can’t cut it at LT. You need to be a very solid run blocker, which was Green’s best contribution. Henderson is generally a poor run blocker, mediocre at best when Gallery is next to him.
Putting Mario at RT is not smart.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:20 am
What would you like to see RRS?
I wouldn’t mind also upgrading Satele, but I can’t draft Pouncey in rd 2 because I need a DT or McNabb.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Henderson’s better with Gallery in his ear.
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We simply need a LT who doesn’t need so much help.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:22 am
You mean Adam Teu who thru a hissy fit when he was cut for not wanting to work out with the “real” centers?
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I did not hear that. Treu was our second string center as well as long snapper, which opened a roster spot. I like the concept.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am
also with condo after a punt, he is normally around the ball rather quickly. which is sad when you have gunners out there. this guy might be one of the few who actually do their job well. in my opinion this guys is dead on accurate on his snaps. once in a while watching other games, you’ll see a slightly high snap on a punt in which the punter has to jump. or on an FGA which throws the timing off. this guy puts the ball on the money, in the same spot all the time.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:23 am
And what IS the point of the center head bobbing crap?! Satele, Morris and Newberry all have done that. Why is beyond me. Might as well just tell the D our snap count.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:24 am
I don’t think ANY of our o-linemen should feel safe…Henderson struggled, Gallery has a bad back, Satele is a weak ass punk, Cooper’s games has nosedived since 07, and Barnes/Pears at RT, give me a break.
How can we expect our QB, even Russell, to succeed behind a line like that? And our RBs would be fine…if they had a decent o-line.
The fukin o-line should have been worked on last year with a new C and T in the draft, but no, we had to add a third Safety and a WR that can’t fukin catch.
Damn it, there goes my blood pressure again.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Why not resign Walker and give him a shot to win the RT postion???
March 25th, 2010 at 10:26 am
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dakota that post is dead on. our oline played poorly the majority of the season. one game (pittsburgh) they played extremely well, and we saw the results. as i said, im all for whichever qb will lead us best, but can any of them have any reasonable success (wins) with these guys?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:26 am
I love Jerry’s work, but Steve Corkans last 2 articles have been pretty thorough and on time. Step it up Jerry!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Barnes has a better chance at being a decent RT than Henderson has at being a LT or RT.
Barnes was part of a pretty decent running team in Jacksonville. The dude can run block just fine.
Can we get anything for Henderson?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Lunch!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:28 am
Can Langston Walker play C?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:30 am
I wouldn’t mind also upgrading Satele, but I can’t draft Pouncey in rd 2 because I need a DT or McNabb.
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Agreed. Pouncey won’t be there at #39. I don’t think Bruce Campbell or Mt Cody will be either
My first choice would be:
LT – Henderson/Barnes
LG – Gallery/Walker*/Morris
C – Kevin Mawae*/Satele/Morris
RG – Bobbie Williams*/Carlisle/Morris
RT – Ciron Black*/Pears
If Mawae isn’t interested in coming here or isn’t a good fit for the zbs (at his age), then maybe we can draft that center from Boston College in Round 3?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:30 am
Can’t Jano long snap on punts? He outweighs Condo, and does have good “lowers”. LOL.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:31 am
i wouldn’t trade henderson. i think the way he played in 08 earns him a chance to compete for the job. he shut down mario williams and a few others that year. i think that is one of the reasons russell played well down the stretch that season. knowing your blindside is covered could be a mental hurdle for qbs. however, this past season, he played well until the last 6 weeks or so. orakpo (wash) killed him. i think for 4 of the 10 sacks he allowed, so 6 in 15 games, is not that bad.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:31 am
We also need to factor into the OLine debate whether Al has really told Cable that he wants a bit less zone and a bit more power. If so, that would help Walker and Barnes. If not, and the system stays the same, that favours Carlisle, Morris and Pears.
If the scheme has been amended to add more power, then we will have much more choice at the draft.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:33 am
January 11, 2009 HS Police and FRC Sheriffs Report:
7:13 p.m. – Male calling from Fall River Pawn, reporting a male subject is claiming that the pawn shop had items belonging to him that had been stolen. Officer notified.
Did you give them back Dakota? LMFAO
March 25th, 2010 at 10:33 am
man if the system favors carlisle morris and pears, i’d hate to see them in a system that doesn’t
March 25th, 2010 at 10:34 am
I like the fact that the Raiders have been scheduling visits with OL and not DB’s!
probably a smokescreen. haha
March 25th, 2010 at 10:34 am
Did anybody notice in the above article how The Rams were offering a 2nd round pick, and a decent starting safety for Mcnabb? Then when the Rams were asked about the possible deal, they denied it, and said they never contacted the Eagles.
Anyways, who thinks Philly floated this idea in hopes it would raise Mcnabb’s value? It seems very logical ecspeacialy since we have an abundance of good safety’s as well as a 2nd round pick to part ways with. HMMMMM? I Like the idea of Mcnabb starting, and grooming Mr. Mohawk in the mean time. We need to win!
I have to admit it would put more people in the seats at the stadium, as well as attract free agents for the next couple years who otherwise wouldn’t be interested. Just sayin.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:36 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:33 am
January 11, 2009 HS Police and FRC Sheriffs Report:
7:13 p.m. – Male calling from Fall River Pawn, reporting a male subject is claiming that the pawn shop had items belonging to him that had been stolen. Officer notified.
Did you give them back Dakota? LMFAO
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If you can’t even describe your own sunglasses or cell phone, then you aren’t getting them back from me.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:37 am
If you can’t even describe your own sunglasses or cell phone, then you aren’t getting them back from me.
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what about my car keys?!?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:38 am
would you guys give our 1st rounder for mcnabb?
March 25th, 2010 at 10:38 am
What about my Honus Wagner baseball card???
March 25th, 2010 at 10:39 am
NO, 1st rounder for McNabb.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:37 am
If you can’t even describe your own sunglasses or cell phone, then you aren’t getting them back from me.
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what about my car keys?!?
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I told you, for a small $100 service fee I will walk outside and try the key in the car door…just pay up bro.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:40 am
1st rounder is steep, but……….Yeah I would, I’ll take anything at this point that will give me hope for the upcoming season!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Mcnabb= savior
March 25th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Dakota: have you ever visited those dudes on that show ‘Pawn Stars’ ???
March 25th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Sorry, no first rounder for McNabb….a second is okay, but not the #8 pick…unless they give us their 1st rounder with him lol
March 25th, 2010 at 10:42 am
New Englandraider, I wouldn’t disagree. Morris is a weenie tweener, Carlisle is a great technician but is just getting over powered and Pears just isn’t good enough. Thats why we need a major overhaul.
Even if we pass on an OT in the first, there are some good prospects in the second (Ducasse, Saffold and Veldheer), third (Fox, Young, Beadles) and even further down (Black, Marinelli, Landolt). This is the best OT draft for a decade and we need to restock on talent. If Cable starts to get fussy looking for ’system fits’, then he’s a one-dimensional idiot. Draft the talent and fit the system to the players – not the other way around.
And this is the best draft for OGs for a generation (Asamoah, Jerry, Petrus, Johnson, Newhouse, Carter).
March 25th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Just on TV rockstar.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Ideally, giving up a 2nd rounder and a mid level player would be ideal IMO.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Our 2nd rounder plus one of our 5th rounds should be enough to get McNabb. Anything more without him agreeing to a 3 year extension is just too much.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 9:08 am
I wish we could trade Tommy Kelly & JaMarcus Russell to Buffalo for Marcus Stroud & Trent Edwards.
they are switching to a 3-4 defense and Stroud already said that he is not a 3-4 NT. Moving him to 3-4 DE might be like Warren Sapp as a 3-4 DE in Oakland (highly ineffective). Kelly was a pretty good 3-4 DE in Oakland though!
Bills started Fitzpatrick & Brohm over Edwards last year and the Raiders started Gradkowski & Frye over Russell last year. Perhaps both plays need a fresh start?
obviously both Raiders would be asked to take huge paycuts though. Buffalo wouldn’t want to inherit those massive contracts for players who never lived up to their potential
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Dude, I know you hate JR, but Trent Edwards???? Not only would the Bills give us Stroud, but they’d probabaly throw in Marshawn Lynch and Lee Evans too. And they’d probably let us keep TK. A more equitable trade would be TK and Grads for Edwards and Stroud.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Dude, I know you hate JR, but Trent Edwards???? Not only would the Bills give us Stroud, but they’d probabaly throw in Marshawn Lynch and Lee Evans too. And they’d probably let us keep TK.
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Debo: are you serious? that would be awesome!
pull the trigger like yesterday!
I’d feel bad if they gave us Lynch & Evans for nothing though. Maybe we could throw in Nick Miller & Marcel Reece …
March 25th, 2010 at 10:50 am
Dakota, I agree- we have sign him to a long term contract, or nevermind.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:53 am
PriestTJ,
This reply is in regards to you regarding post #230.
“I understand your concern for Russell if McNabb comes here but what this does is buy him time to fully develope without having to turn things around here.”
So you’re saying that you admit that Russell isn’t near being ready to be a fulltime starter in the NFL.
“Especially with someone he can identify with.”
How exactly is it that JR can identify with McNabb moreso than with any of the veterans and coaches that we already have? As someone who calls out other people for racism that they never intended, you seem to have tipped your hand a bit on how you really feel there.
Okay now… here is the BIG one. Are you ready for it?
“This guy can come here and get us back to the big game in a hurry. Most certainly the playoffs”
You just ADMITTED that with a good quarterback, the rest of the Raiders team AS IS can make the playoffs in your opinion… and even went so far as to say “back to the big game in a hurry”!!! All your excuses, apologism, and lies to cover JR’s bad play have just been undermined by you trying to argue against the people who don’t want McNabb in Oakland. You just accidentally called out your own BS and showed everyone that deep down inside, you know that the supporting cast is good enough to win the WEAK AFC West if not for the horrible play that JR has shown us to date.
For the record, I hope that JR continues to do all that he needs to do to become elite and fulfill his potential. However, I have always taken issue with your excuses and lies. Didn’t you say that with a better supporting cast, JR would be a playoff QB? Didn’t you say that the lack of great supporting cast is what made JR look so bad and that he was far better than everyone says? … Yet NOW, you say that with a change at QB (brining in McNabb), we’re instantly a playoff team and within reach of the Superbowl! LMAO!!! You slipped up and showed your hand, TJ. You have admitted that you’re full of it and that you truly do know that Cable was right when he said that with better QB play, we’d have been in the playoffs… it just took having to defend another BLACK quarterback for you to come clean and show your true feelings. How’s it feel to be the one that proved that you’re a racist and blindly defended JR’s terrible play solely because you didn’t want him to lose his job to a white boy? You’re totally fine with a black man sending him to the bench to “develop,” though, aren’t you? LOL @ how you want JR to start immediately and say that it’s what he needs in order to develop when it’s Gradkowski who would start instead… but say the exact OPPOSITE is needed in order for JR to develop when it’s a BLACK quarterback instead of Grads.
Enjoy your hypocisy, you racist scumbag.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:53 am
RR- if we still had Javon, we could package him with Reece and N.Miller. Now that would be a steal if you were Buffalo!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Dakota,
The cell phone had incoming and outgoing service and the sunglasses reflected sunlight from both eyes. Now give them back!
March 25th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Ray Bans??
March 25th, 2010 at 11:02 am
JaMarcus Russell
Marcel Reece
Nick Miller
Tommy Kelly
in exchange for:
Trent Edwards
Marshawn Lynch
Lee Evans
Marcus Stroud
Debo, if you can pull off this trade I’ll wash your butt & drink the water because we’re going to the playoffs!
March 25th, 2010 at 11:05 am
i asked about the 1st rounder because that is the alleged asking price for mcnabb. im on the fence with that. we could draft another dhb, you never know. if anyone asked last year if you’d rather pick dhb or trade for mcnabb, hindsight would say make the trade. these rookies get paid so much $$$ and don’t earn it. can we afford another 1st round bust? i wonder if all can trade a second and a third for a mid-late 1st round pick. as i have said, i dont follow college ball, but many of you think we can pick up some talent in the 2nd-4th rounds as well so, maybe a trade of the 1st pick would not be so bad. just sit back and wait and see i guess.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:06 am
LUNCH!
March 25th, 2010 at 11:11 am
LRaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:02 am
JaMarcus Russell
Marcel Reece
Nick Miller
Tommy Kelly
in exchange for:
Trent Edwards
Marshawn Lynch
Lee Evans
Marcus Stroud
Debo, if you can pull off this trade I’ll wash your butt & drink the water because we’re going to the playoffs!
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Sorry pal. I wouldn’t trade JR. Tell you what, I’LL wash my own butt and YOU can drink the water. Cool?
March 25th, 2010 at 11:12 am
1st rounder for LT Gaither!!!!!!!!!!!
March 25th, 2010 at 11:13 am
new englandraider- For me it’s a simple descion, I will always take a proven guy in the NFL over a guy who could be the next best thing.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:14 am
BTW, “could” is the key word
March 25th, 2010 at 11:15 am
I don’t know why but I could see the Raiders doing the unthinkable and drafting Dez Bryant. I don’t know why, I can just see it.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:16 am
CJ, I’m having a good day in Mcnabb fantasy land-plz don’t ruin it.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:18 am
patriots need a stud d-end and at 8, we’re first in line to get one, so trade the 8th pick to NE for their 22nd and one of their 3 2nd rd picks and you’ll still have enough chips to trade 4 mcabb and draft o-line. dreaming of course.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:21 am
How the heck did the Patriots get 4 extra draft picks?
March 25th, 2010 at 11:24 am
doing the unthinkable and drafting Dez Bryant.
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Why would that be unthinkable?
March 25th, 2010 at 11:27 am
maddenraiderfan Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:21 am
How the heck did the Patriots get 4 extra draft picks?
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We had to give them a few extra to take Burgess and Jordan, lol
March 25th, 2010 at 11:27 am
jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:24 am
doing the unthinkable and drafting Dez Bryant.
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Why would that be unthinkable?
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I’d love that move. Ask RRS.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:28 am
raideredoutL.A. Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:18 am
patriots need a stud d-end and at 8, we’re first in line to get one, so trade the 8th pick to NE for their 22nd and one of their 3 2nd rd picks and you’ll still have enough chips to trade 4 mcabb and draft o-line. dreaming of course.
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I like this idea!
March 25th, 2010 at 11:28 am
I wish we could trade Tommy Kelly & JaMarcus Russell to Buffalo for Marcus Stroud & Trent Edwards.
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At best, that is a lateral move. Would rather stand pat and draft a DT in rd 2.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:30 am
ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio believes the situation in Philadelphia has reached the point where Donovan McNabb “can’t possibly succeed” in 2010.
Sal Pal pointed out that the Eagles made McNabb “the lamest of lame duck quarterbacks,” alienated him, and “undermined his moral authority in the locker room” by not extending him beyond 2010 while entertaining trade talks. The situation appears to be beyond fixing, and McNabb’s comments indicate that he’s ready to move on to a new team. The 49ers may be emerging as a “darkhorse” candidate.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Draft Dez Bryant and run the Shotgun Sread with Dez, Schillens, Murphy, and DHB.
DMAC in the backfield.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:31 am
OK, I am curious now. Why do you guys think picking Dez would be a good idea?
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RaiderDebo Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:27 am
jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:24 am
doing the unthinkable and drafting Dez Bryant.
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Why would that be unthinkable?
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I’d love that move. Ask RRS.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:31 am
BoSchembecklerJackson,
I think someone will have to check the archives to make sure, but I’m almost 100% certain that one of my very first posts after seeing your “Trade DMAC” posts was as follows:
“Trade DMC for DMC?”
I always call McFadden “DMC” rather than DMAC and I was being silly, referring to us trading McFadden to ourselves FOR McFadden, but nevertheless… it could have been very psychic on my part if we DO trade DMC for Donovan McNabb (DMc).
I’m bored…
March 25th, 2010 at 11:31 am
From rotoworld.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Did anyone catch Cable saying 2 TDs and 2 FGs each game was the goal for next year?
I take back my 11 win prediction!
March 25th, 2010 at 11:33 am
OK, I am curious now. Why do you guys think picking Dez would be a good idea?
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Because he would arguably be our #1 WR from day 1.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:34 am
it could have been very psychic on my part if we DO trade DMC for Donovan McNabb (DMc).
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If this happens, I will get Rockstart to wash your butt and drink the water. And I’ll buy a retro Alford Hoosier jersey.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 10:34 am
I like the fact that the Raiders have been scheduling visits with OL and not DB’s!
probably a smokescreen. haha
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A terrible smokescreen at that! LOL
March 25th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Man, that sounds very tempting but we only have two big problems. A) No o-line protection and B) No QB to get them ball. Plus, we just spent a $#!t load of $ last year for DHB, which stands for “Damn Hands Bull$#!T”!
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jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Draft Dez Bryant and run the Shotgun Sread with Dez, Schillens, Murphy, and DHB.
DMAC in the backfield.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:37 am
jhill I would not doubt it but who would throw him the ball DMAC?
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jhill Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:33 am
OK, I am curious now. Why do you guys think picking Dez would be a good idea?
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Because he would arguably be our #1 WR from day 1.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:38 am
OK, I am curious now. Why do you guys think picking Dez would be a good idea?
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Why would we do that? We already drafted the most awesome WR in the 1st Rnd last year. How can this guy be better than the legendary DHB?
March 25th, 2010 at 11:38 am
We will never have a WR get more than 600 yds. without a new oline AND qb. Dez or no.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:43 am
we’ll be lucky if we dont get five dbs with our first five picks.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:50 am
CJ,
If we go back to the Shotgun, and spread out 4 WRs, that puts Russell back in his comfort zone.
I even think Gradkowski can do some things in tha type of offense.
Takes all the other teams big guys and run stuffers off the field and keeps them in a dime defense.
I think we just MIGHT have an advantage.
Also, DMAC as one of the WRs and Bush in the backfield works.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Line & QB problems and we should draft a WR????????????????
March 25th, 2010 at 11:52 am
BSJ
we did not trade jordan to the gaytriots. he was released. remember the whole al davis making a handshake deal with him not to sign with pats? only for jordan to do just that.
March 25th, 2010 at 11:52 am
anyone know our record since our super bowl appearance????????????
March 25th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:38 am
We will never have a WR get more than 600 yds. without a new oline AND qb. Dez or no.
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March 25th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
LIST OF WHO YOU THINK AL WILL ACTUALLY PICK, FOR WHATEVER REASON..NOT who you want, but what direction you predict Al is going to go..can make sense, can make no sense whatsoever.
No guts, no glory. Don’t say LATER that you “knew he was going to get him” if you don’t predict it in advance.
If you do, the punishment is you have to have Kelli be your realtor in your next realty deal.
That will teach you
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March 25th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
No way in hell Mcnabb goes to the Riaders. Are you guys high? Okay Donavan here are your offers, Team A, Team B and Oakland. I want to go to Oakland, Pissshhh yeah right!!! Don’t get wrong I would like to see it, but that will never happen.
Anyways the rumors are he wants to go to AZ, ( he spends his offseason time there) or Minnesota.
March 25th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
I would have NO problem with picking Dez with the #8 overall pick.
Dez is a baller with good speed, route running, body control, physical toughness, and more importantly he has HANDS!
The WR position does not have major money being allocated right now except for DHB, but his contract will be restructured down anyway within two years due to him not being productive enough to warrant that kind of money and heck you never know in 4 years he might even wind being cut!
Having a WR corp of Dez, Chaz, and Murphy with DHB as the backup or 4th WR is not bad.
JLH can just focus on punt returns with Miller and battle with DHB for that 4th spot. The loser of the punt return battle gets cut.
March 25th, 2010 at 1:01 pm
KoolKell Says:
March 25th, 2010 at 11:51 am
Line & QB problems and we should draft a WR????????????????
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Whats wrong with picking the BEST OVERALL PLAYER ON THE BOARD….and then getting O-Line and D-Line with the 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks?
Then again….the looney old man Al would pick Dez first but then pick a CB, KR, and a FB, and S the rest of the way in the draft and completelty forget about the Lines and blow it! LOL
March 25th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
If mcnabb goes to the rams the first pick will not be sam brafford he will go with the 2nd pick to dallas from detroit in a trade,jerry jones still likes mcfadden so mcfadden & frye to dallas for tony romo ,so get yourself a tony romo jersey!
March 26th, 2010 at 8:55 am
MCNABB WILL GET US TO THE PLAYOFFS … THEN CHOKE
LIKE HE DID EVERY YEAR FOR PHILY
March 26th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Anyone who would diss Carrie Underwood for Jessica Simpson is not fit nor smart enough to lead the Raiders, hell even Mr. J. Russell has more sense than that.
March 26th, 2010 at 11:23 am
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